starfield-lore

[proud atlas]

Is this to discuss lore and possible lore (What's true or not)? Or is it for confirmed lore specifically?

[trim tendon]

Yes

[daring lake]

*sip ☕ *

[exotic nacelle]

What do you mean by "possible" lore

[molten sequoia]

https://tenor.com/view/pass-the-lore-lore-nav-xo-taytay-gif-25554546

[torn ember]

theories?

also move it up so its above the beta feedback channels this is weird

[proud atlas]

Theories with unconfirmed backing

[rigid kiln]

So venom tree sap, does it give halicunations of the great serpent or did andreja get them in another way

[exotic nacelle]

Say that is #discord-suggestions

[torn ember]

just do it lol

[proud atlas]

Like Keeper Aquilus being the pilgrim and a starborn

[torn ember]

thats not a theory thats just facts

[solemn bough]

so this is the new spoiler channel, looks nice and smells fresh

[heady hatch]

i feel like having the two chats next to each other makes WAY more sense

[trim tendon]

This is the lore channel. Spoilers are allowed, when related to discussing lore

[modern burrow]

Which makes one wonder when he had time to collect artifacts.... or was he using the church for a front to rob artifacts from people.

[torn ember]

he didnt become the keeper until way later

[solemn bough]

did you know that Keeper Aquilus is the Hunter, and vice versa?

[rigid kiln]

Keeper aquilus is a retired hunter

[torn ember]

"whats the lore for why theres no advanced eon"

sigh

[proud atlas]

One literally has amour plates, and the other one is made out of milar

[maiden dew]

He is definitely Starborn. I think he is Aiza.

[daring lake]

That's still nothing to do with the lore of the game

[trim tendon]

Gonna start giving out warnings/timeouts if you continue to be pedantic. Things are pretty easy to follow, and we have the #rules for a reason.

[torn ember]

if my comments are being deleted does that mean im at risk of a warning? because i honestly have no idea whats going on

[trim tendon]

If it's not lore related, it'll be removed. This is an official server, and you agree to follow the rules when joining.

[proud atlas]

From my point of view, it sort of does, specially since it's kind of immersion breaking to have cloth be better than armour plating. There has to be some sort of reason beyond "game mechanics"

[torn ember]

if someone posts something non lore related, can i say "thats not really lore related" or should i report them directly to you

[trim tendon]

You can DM @formal cloak if people aren't following the rules or going off topic a bunch

[clever adder]

So logically talk about starfield universes anything somewhere else doesn't exist?

[torn ember]

what if its just one message though, and its an innocent mistake that i just want to help them correct? do i have to be afraid of getting muted if i say something?

[exotic nacelle]

As Lunar said, if you have a question use @formal cloak

[daring lake]

Fine. 🙂 I don't know what materials the various layers of a 24th century suit would be made
of. But Kevlar and Graphene come to mind. Bear in mind that the Explorer suit is one of the most
expensive out there.

[maiden dew]

Yep, we know for a fact that Aquilus and the Hunter are variants of the same person. Aiza was at least a proto-starborn (touched an artifact and received a vision but not gone through Unity). The Pilgrim was presumably a starborn or at least a proto-starborn. The leader of Constellation also disappeared mysteriously. We also know that the Hunter is really old. He hints at having lived on Earth. So we have three possible folks that could be the origin of the Hunter. And possibly all are the same person.

[rigid kiln]

Yea I know I theorized this way back when the game came out and people called me insane, glad to see people agree now

[torn ember]

pilgrims gotta be full starborn, he dies several times by jinan va'ruun's hand and keeps returning to fight him again

[proud atlas]

I think the Hunter and the Pilgrim are two sides of the same coin: Keeper Aquilus

[clever adder]

If it makes ya feel better your still insane ☕

[torn ember]

they are. the game is pretty explicit about it

the pilgrim is basically the transitory stage between hunter and keeper

but somehow theres still a hunter

[stoic needle]

Someone justify to me the lack of advancements in Robotics and the ban against Mechs.

[charred storm]

Temples, Starborn ship, Starborn armor, what are the origins of those, who made them where did they come from, how did we get it all?

[torn ember]

we have no idea, its not touched on almost at all by the game

we use the name "the creators" for them but idk even where that came from

[charred storm]

Yes, it's just one of the things I wonder about.

[maiden dew]

||There is the nebulous mention of the Creators, but that is it.||

[torn ember]

me too, unfortunately theres basically nothing to go off of so all we can do is speculate wildly

[maiden dew]

There is also the big question of how does the Great Serpent fit in with the artifacts and temples?

[torn ember]

i think the great serpent is either the unity itself or a corrupted version of it somehow. something to do with the venom tree from va'ruunkai maybe

[high copper]

Well the ban was explained, why factions like spacers or the cf don’t use them, that’s just gameplay, cause no functioning mechs exist in game

[stoic needle]

Explained, sure. It's there but I didn't exactly find the argument convincing when other war-related things remain in service.

So I task you, as a representative of explored space to convince me.

[torn ember]

victor aiza had a vision when he touched an artifact where he was spoken to by himself. i think thats the unity, the same entity that appears as and speaks to the player at the end of the game. jinan va'ruun had a vision while he was in a ship during a grav jump, i think maybe that was the unity too. but somehow that vision was corrupted by the venom tree or something like that causing him to experience the great serpent instead

[maiden dew]

Mechs, AI, and Xenowarfare were banned like chemical weapons are banned today. Just considered to destructive.

[indigo nymph]

It makes no sense though. It's like banning tanks while jet planes, missiles and nukes are still allowed to exist

[modern burrow]

Makes about as much sense as The Well existing makes any sense.

Got a whole planet to expand out on and an entire economy open to mining, exploring. Multiple ecosystems to exploit. But nah. Lets just live under the city!

[high copper]

simple, not everyone can survive outside, list is trying to help people have an independent life in the settled systems but you have to deal with everything else, at least in the well there's some security and other people

[clever adder]

ECS should attempt contact with LIST.

Save 190 years of headaches.

[high copper]

some quests need a bit of rework

[clever adder]

Agreed

[solemn bough]

Mech the war and robotics are ok we have and AI probably ever one seen terminator

[clever adder]

Anyone before 2000 lol now not likely

[solemn bough]

Maybe there could be an AI probably in the lore they could right be good nod / Easter egg and going to real world everyone should be shown terminator in school all this talk of ai real look what will happen

[broken flower]

https://tenor.com/view/hal9000-gif-22241038

[subtle rivet]

https://tenor.com/view/horses-wild-horses-to-be-devs-what-we-got-here-is-gif-21788440

[broken flower]

The Matrix has a few vacancies for power supply modules

[modern burrow]

There is a quest for AI in space as a random encounter that seems to be reliant on having done Ryujin questline. I liked some of the references and possible choices with it as well as future encounter after it's completed.

[clever adder]

2 choices: Juno you either listen to them and see Juno much sooner. Or talk to them out of it and everyone lives.

[pastel bolt]

Ryujin gives you an extra dialouge option

[clever adder]

I must had missed that one.

[pastel bolt]

the agents are from ryujin so if your also a ryugin agent you can say don't worry i got this and offer to bring them home

[clever adder]

Yep that is if you choose to have everyone live

[pastel bolt]

when you first meet them your like hey im also pretty gangster myself and they are all like ya your that cool guy we heard about captain fancy buisness

[clever adder]

I remember and yes you give them a ride home if you have them come home alive.

[solemn bough]

Do something like the AI ship have other quest that come along a little story type of thing

[modern burrow]

Not everyone can survive outside? By building more city with walls and security they could. They don't have to live in a literal gutter.

[white willow]

The whole thing with the UC is that you have to earn citizenship, right?

I always thought the people living in the Well are those that either haven't earnt their citizenship yet or are basically illegal immigrants hiding out from the UC.

I'm not sure why anyone would voluntarily live in the Well otherwise.

[modern burrow]

Illegal Immigration on a near to empty planet.

[clever adder]

Terremorphs are the police

[modern burrow]

Until they're not. Originally, yes.

But then... how did the city get built if that was that much of a problem?

[clever adder]

Worse than neon police corruption lol

[modern burrow]

Dunno seems like they'd be fairly impartial actually.

[clever adder]

Meh Terremorphs can't be brought lol

[slate valley]

New Atlantis top side is VERY expensive. The well is very cheap by comparison. Its where the poors live.

[white willow]

Oh! Didn't realize it was that simple.
I know your parents pay a ridiculous amount to stay in a hotel, but I always assumed that if you were a citizen you got government housing or somesuch.

[modern burrow]

I would believe that if it was impossible to sell a gun or a space worth several thousand creds, or impossible to (in Bethesda's universes) not collect thousands of things to sell to the trade authority to the point it's broke.

The cost is implied to seem pricey till you can sell entire ships for even more.

The most valuable thing of a brand new planet is land. And there's only one city on that planet?

[slate valley]

The entire games economy doesn't make sense.

Nyssa from the Viewport has a couple of side quests. She says directly the top side is very very expensive, and the well is affordable.

[modern burrow]

Sure. Even people in the well say it's cheap... it must be true if they sell it that way.

[slate valley]

Thats a design decision i don't understand. A safe planet like Jemison should have dozens of cities. Of varying size and wealth. Even rural towns with dirt roads perhaps. But dozens, not one. Link them with a NAT type train service if needs be.

[modern burrow]

Ships being taxi's between locales could be a thing too... but yeah. That's what I'm saying. The well in its entirety made no sense from pure design choice.

There should be hangars and scrap yards and fabs and all manner of things where the 'lower class' citizens are making space happen.

There's no ship dealers, there's no ships weapon shops or shield manufacturer branded stores. Life support systems blah blah blah.

Some steps in world building were leaped over and I feel like even more than before there's a piece of this games soul that never made it in.

[slate valley]

I hope BGS are actively watching and taking notes. They can do so much for their game by hearing us and expanding their living spaces around the existing assetts. DLC expansion packs would be welcome. I am happy to pay for this stuff.
I accept there are limits due to the sheer scale of the game world. But thats not to say they can't expand around the existing cities withing the limits of the existing world space.

[white willow]

I mean, if there's one thing the POI system is extremely good for - It's adding in brand new locations and cities.

[modern burrow]

I don't want more entirely random soulless locations. The POI randomization is just fine for filling some gaps in planetary exploration, though I would prefer if they could add some more intent behind the human locations. Argos Extractors, Deimos, Stroud, Ryujin... places that have corporate names slapped on them with operations in progress or some story as to why something went wrong.

Quite a bit was left up to "Choose your own adventure, choose your own reasons why anything is..." Which used in moderation can be a good story telling mechanic. It is abused in Starfield.

[fast estuary]

Heck, I wouldn't mind if a lot of those POIs had something to do other than just turning up and saying hello and occasionally being given a map to a secret cave. Like, "you look like the industrious sort, reckon you can deliver [nutrient] to us for under 3Cr ea? We can guarantee a steady demand for 30/day". That would at least add purpose to running an outpost, rather than just mass producing vytinium fuel rods and analgesic poultices because XP is nice.

[obsidian glade]

Where’s the sapient aliens we can exploit/enlighten to the human way? Game just seems empty. Which I get, space…. But gameplay wise? I need aliens 👽

[faint cave]

What are the odds ECS Constant carries nukes?

[modern burrow]

Pretty high actually. To the point it would behoove Porima board to let them land wherever they wanted.

[faint cave]

Personally, I actually don't want other sentient aliens to appear. Starfield is a rarity in sci-fi/space operas in that it's only humans that are sentient in the universe. That said, you can argue that the Starborn aren't humans anymore so...there's your aliens.

[modern burrow]

Extending the Starborn story would effectively answer that one way or another.

[faint cave]

My fun head canon is that some people landed on a random planet and discovered a random creature that can somehow grav drive naturally. Through extensive study they manage to replicate the process, the artifacts and temples, and even improve it so be able to travel to other universes.

[modern burrow]

As much as alternate universes open up possibility they as story mechanics really strike me as lacking. There's so much to learn about our own universe and so much to reconcile with our own nature that the need for a multiverse is almost exhausting to think we're out there doing the same things in repeat for some unimaginable stretch of eternity.

Nothing's more precious than 'here', nothing more explorable than right now.

We're stuck with that path for Starfield now though so I hope the devs in Shattered space get to really have fun with all of the potential in some uncontrived manner.

[mint smelt]

is this the channel we can talk about starfield and not worry about this spoiler thing

[broken flower]

I hope so

[modern burrow]

Yes. It is the "lore" channel. Where discovery of all things story / woirld building are allowed.

[mint smelt]

Inky do you use mods?

[modern burrow]

But perhaps still proceed with some caution.

[broken flower]

Not yet, playing on Xbox. Plenty of mods on Skyrim and Fallout

[mint smelt]

i'm thinking of using mods the next time i go through the unity

[modern burrow]

Do it. Maximize your experience.

[mint smelt]

building mods and maybe skins mod

[faint cave]

I want a universe where UC barges into Constellation after NG+, because someone landing on a strange ship and exhibiting strange radiation is sure to attract attention.
Actually, more universe variations would be really cool and a good incentive to go to Unity. Like Constellation is in different cities in different universes, New Atlantis and Akila switch places, UC are the mech experts and Freestar are the ones dropping xenoweapons, Neon is underwater, etc.

[broken flower]

Maybe a universe populated by cats

[faint cave]

Or lizards

Oh hey, there's no slowdown in this chat

Or better, Vasco and Kaiser are humans and everyone else are robots.

My introvert self would stay in this universe forever.

[modern burrow]

In an alternate universe, that was the game we got and it was better. 😭

[faint cave]

How strong do you think Supernova is like in-universe?

The flavor text mentions the force of a dying star, but something like that would vaporize the planet the caster was standing on. Maybe as strong as a nuke?

[indigo nymph]

Price is determined by supply and demand. Jemison is an entire planet ripe for exploitation and has been inhabited for at least 150 years now if not more. Yet the UC has never bothered to build more than a single city/town/village on this entire planet in this timeframe and the only city it has built has absolutely no economic activity going on like construction. Essentially the only explanations for topside being expensive and the well being cheap are either the UC is dying because of economic stagnation or it's intentionally refusing to expand to artificially create the supply-demand situation that we see. Both are equally messed up

[faint cave]

Actually there are always a few other random POIs on Jemison in each playthrough, both in the area of New Atlantis and in other parts of the planet. While I would like for these to be handcrafted, it does show that Jemison isn't just New Atlantis.

[modern burrow]

But that's almost anywhere you can land based on a biome lottery. Hand built and lore established will have the greater longevity to a player experience.

[faint cave]

Now there's an idea. Minecraft but with Starfield graphics.

Back to lore, has the Simpsons gotten any better in 2330?

[round harbor]

what is the in lore explaination for being able to sell entire ships, that you cannot show ownership of?

if i rocked up at a car showroom modern day and tried to part exchange some random car and i couldnt show that i owned it, with solid proof of registration etc then they'd likely call the police. its strange that theres no feature like this in the game where if you want to sell a stolen ship you can only part it out or only sell it to crimson fleet, etc.

theres the registration fee that must be paid, but nobody asks any questions about where you got it from, its previous owner, etc etc

"sir, we appreciate your custom here but our ship services technician has a question about the bloodstains in the crew quarters and the forced door to the cockpit..."

[broken flower]

ship technician gets a cut of the rego fee, it’s the way of the world

[faint cave]

I have a feeling this is gameplay convenience being prioritized over realism. In-universe, I agree with InkyBlack that the reason the registration fee is so high is because its mostly bribery money.

[marble parcel]

So is this starfield spoilers or lore? 🤔 🚀

[broken flower]

both, I guess

[maiden dew]

We can also murder and just pay a fine as punishment.

[round harbor]

after a while it's shoot to kill by all security forces though

[faint cave]

That's video game crime for you. I remember playing GTA San Andreas and getting taken to the hospital after murdering half the city. If I had the nurse as my girlfriend, they even let me keep my weapons.

[high copper]

You do the same in red dead

[round charm]

Wait wahhhh

[solemn bough]

ive found some guns worth more than my entire ship

[peak halo]

IIRC, the PoIs you can see from orbit are hand crafted, it's the ones you find randomly when you land that aren't. They aren't hand placed though.

[round charm]

Depends since those poi are random as well

[trail kindle]

I mean it really depends. If you shipped the car to a different country you might get away with it.

[midnight robin]

The ships also sell for barely anything aswell

[faint cave]

Player: What the heck? Why is the registration fee so high?
Technician: It's for us to turn a blind eye to you selling us a Crimson Fleet ship. And labor.
Player: Labor?
Technician: Yes, labor.
Player: But I'm just selling the ship.
Technician: Do you know how expensive it is to refit this ship for the civilian market? It's almost not worth the cost and the legal papers alone is half of it. You might be just selling the ship, but I'm the one processing all the paperwork because apparently they accept anyone who can write with a crayon into the Vanguard these days.
Player: What if I process it myself?
Technician: You can, we'll reduce the registration fee accordingly, good luck though.
Player: How hard could it be?
(Several frustrating days later)
Technician: I'm impressed, you actually managed to file the paperwork all on your own.
Player: Thanks. I'm paying the fee next time.

[round charm]

I need this in-game now🤣

[modern burrow]

"Thanks I'll do it myself. VASCO! Get this paperwork sorted for me and tell me how many typos they left in it on purpose to slow people down."

[faint cave]

Vasco: Captain Nexusisonfire, I have processed the paperwork for, the Crimson Fleet Ghost III, as requested. But there are several agencies that require your physical appearance and signature.

[visual anvil]

What happened to the global seed vault? I’m assuming that some of the material had to be moved, right?

[modern burrow]

Svalbard? In game I imagine it was pillaged, maybe some of it was sent off with ships like the ECS Constant.

[spiral notch]

is this the old spoiler channel?

[modern burrow]

No this is the lore channel.

[spiral notch]

where did spoiler go, or did they kill it entirely?

[modern burrow]

Spoilers would naturally be allowed in the channel discussing the lore of the game.

Just do so with some caution / consideration.

[spiral notch]

ok…I simply wanted to ask how to get rid of Guardian ships in inventory when I am not NG

[faint cave]

Player: Why do I need to go personally?
Vasco: It is written in UC Act no. 6942 that ships sold in the Settled Systems must be done personally by the seller. A liaison can process the paperwork to an extent, but it is only in cases of disability or inability to visit the office can the seller avoid visiting himself. UC Act no. 11337, the amendment to this law, increases the number of physical appearances to visits to MAST, the legal office, the office of the Mayor of New Atlantis, the Department of Space Transportation, the Space Port Authority, and the UC Distribution. UC Act no. 99999 further amends this law by adding in legal fees to every transaction.
Player: How much?
Vasco: Approximately 15,000 Credits.
Players: That's gouging!
Vasco: It would appear so. I do not recommend skipping out, however, as that will put your other ships at risk of investigation.

[round harbor]

hahaha you made me literally laugh out loud "they accept anyone who can write with a crayon"... for my character, more like he ate the crayon

i wish this was all officially in lore, this all kind of makes perfect sense

[faint cave]

Vasco: I am detecting increased signs of brain activity from you, Captain. A rare event. What is troubling you?
Player: I was wondering why the fee is just as high in the Freestar Collective, but knowing them, they won't even need the legal fee excuse.

[maiden dew]

Charybdis used it. Oh, you mean a different seed.

[torn ember]

what do we know about the history of the eye?

[worldly stirrup]

Used to be a UC space station that got sold to Constellation, for the purpose of the artifact search

[torn ember]

need more details than that

[worldly stirrup]

That’s about all the lore that exists for it

Unless you want to dive into the meta speculation type of lore, which involves the lodge itself being the space station that Constellation had. In the Delta Pavonis star system

In earlier concepts of the game

[modern burrow]

https://starfield.fandom.com/wiki/The_Eye

[torn ember]

trying to figure out how the hunter was originally able to obtain all the artifacts

whether or not he is victor aiza

[worldly stirrup]

Nothing explains that

[worldly stirrup]

For real though, i wonder if this is why the lodge interior still has space station music

[modern burrow]

https://tenor.com/view/todd-howard-it-just-works-bethesda-this-all-just-works-gif-20598651

[worldly stirrup]

And why there’s an unused “lodge docking faction” assigned to constellation NPCs

Would be curious to know the reasoning behind them changing the lodge to a building in new atlantis

[modern burrow]

Faction id probably reference to Constellation members being test faction for docking initially.

[stark shuttle]

Has there ever been an explanation for what the term
'biological' means with oceans. The ones you cant put a pinky toe in?
All oceans are biological if they have life in them???

[high copper]

too much bacteria I guess

[torn ember]

time constraints? lol

[worldly stirrup]

Speaking of constellation. Also found it interestijg that matteo was originally supposed to be a companion too. And that there was a 5th main cast member who was cut, named “Matisse”. Almost nothing left about that character. Went by they/them, could die during High Price to Pay, and… not much else to go on

[modern burrow]

Algae, bacteria, parasites, miscellaneous chemicals that would be harmful to suit materials. (oils and things of that nature)

[stark shuttle]

That makes sense. Wish the water that in that state looked different. Ie like the colours of dangerous water here on earth. Too blue, too green or even pink tinged

[torn ember]

lol

[modern burrow]

They could've stood to do some more "Space Suit 101" moments to help establish Space Suits as complex actors that are reactive to a reactive environment.

[worldly stirrup]

And that they offer less protection to -10 c temps than a hoodie

Frostbite in 60 seconds flat

[torn ember]

they're not though. they were probably supposed to be, but they arent

[unique urchin]

Could be that the artifacts return to their caves after each activation of them in the grav drive, if all present on the ship do hop to a new universe.

[torn ember]

maybe but that doesnt really answer my question

[unique urchin]

He already gathered the artifacts with his own starstation like the eye. Destroyed the starstation before hopping to the unity. Could be that he had the old den as his home before the serpents crusade.

[torn ember]

requires too many assumptions

[unique urchin]

Alternatively, he discoverwd something about the artifacts that allows you to use one to discover the locations of the others

And never shared his findings.
We already know we can locate the associated temples from the unique gravitational anomoly the artifacts generate

[maiden dew]

I would have thought it a wild idea if both going through the unity and returning back to your universe happens. Basically quantum indeterminacy. Both happens but which one is real depends on the observer. So regardless of what you choose, you are still waking back up in the original universe you grav jumped into the Unity.

[torn ember]

but why is he able to do that and constellation isnt

[torn ember]

that is interesting, but im pretty sure theres evidence telling us otherwise

[unique urchin]

He discovered something constellation didnt. And as you enter a new universe in orbit of where the first artifact you collected always is, you can go down and yoink it.

[torn ember]

its possible but im not gonna put any stock in anything that isnt based on some kind of evidence or at least follows logically from something that we do know

[unique urchin]

Well, we first discovered an artifact on vectera.

Every universe we go to, the first artifact we touch is ALWAYS on vectera.

[torn ember]

right. well the artifact the original you touches before disappearing anyway

[unique urchin]

So. Knowing where you would have taken the artifact in the original universe, you would follow that trail to get it.

[torn ember]

okay. so whats your point?

[unique urchin]

If he discovered how to pinpoint other artifact locations using a single artifact. Maybe the modified starborn ship he uses, could be from where he modifies it to be able to discern the new locations from the original artifact.

Thus, when we first discover the Scorpius in ng+, its apparent that it is vastly different to our own starborn ship. Including the double set of Gravity Torpedoes.

[torn ember]

how would he have found the whole set as a non-starborn? thats what im really wondering

[daring lake]

Artifacts are not always in the same places. The same with Temples.
Vectera is a fixed point because of "You" and your link to that particular
artifact.

[torn ember]

arent they all in the same places when you skip story ?

two in tau ceti, one in eridani, etc

at least for me they were always in the same places

[daring lake]

No. It would appear not. There are some that remain the same but
not all. Buried Temple is always a fixed point. But Vlad tells you that
they were able to find Artifacts but not where "You" said they would be.

[torn ember]

yeah not where they were in a non-skip story. but when you skip the main story, i think they're always in the same places

one is always at the muybridge lab

[daring lake]

Well, Vlad only says this line when you skip the main yes/no?

[torn ember]

yeah thats what im saying

[clever adder]

Yep

[torn ember]

so they are always in the same place depending on which timeline you're in i guess?

[clever adder]

Who knows

[torn ember]

doesn't make sense anyway

[unique urchin]

Same way constellation did with the eye. The Old Den.

[torn ember]

and where are you getting that from?

[unique urchin]

Fast travel to the old dens debris

Look how much scanning equipment debris is there

Im certain that the old den was fitted for deep space scans before the serpents crusade led to its destruction

[torn ember]

everyone has scanning equipment though, the presence of scanning equipment is not even close to good enough to suggest that that location was being used to search for artifacts lol

also wouldnt he have his own place? why and how would he be using a UC military installation to search for artifacts?

[clever adder]

He does but his home not set up for long searches. As for the 2nd part it's a question has no answer.

[torn ember]

yeah i wasnt really asking lol more just trying to point out why it doesnt make sense for him to be using the old den to find artifacts

[clever adder]

I figured but seeing his home that be a no.

[indigo nymph]

The impression is given that The Eye has old scanning equipment onboard that is uniquely calibrated for detecting the signs of artifacts and temples across long distances. It's not designed to do so but something has been fine-tuned on her. Not totally unreasonable to assume that any other stellar observatory of the same type (we don't know what kind the Eye even is afaik) could be tuned in the same way

[torn ember]

i guess that makes sense, where could that station be though

whichever one the hunter used that is

[maiden dew]

One possible explanation is that the Hunter is actually the founder of Constellation. There is some dialogue where it is mentioned he just up and disappeared one day. So he uses Constellation as a bunch of pawns to search for the artifacts while he goe lives the high life on Neon or Porrima. After so many jumps through the Unity, he is highly jaded and no longer has concerns about his actions. Go through Unity yourself several times, and see if you don't want to take some shortcuts.

[worldly stirrup]

There’s also a line where he mentions that he spent time on earth, and that he’s older than you think. Pretty sure he’s meant to be a bit generic/mysterious

That leads people to suspect he’s victor, but that doesnt track with other evidence

[daring lake]

Interesting. What evidence is there that suggests that Aiza is not The Hunter?

[torn ember]

you want to prove a negative?

[maiden dew]

The Hunter could be the Starborn Aiza that gets his quantum twin to create the grav drive all in a convoluted plot to go after the other artifacts. So every jump through Unity means he goes back to Mars and starts this whole sequence again and again. That would mean he spends hundreds of years on every jump. That would presumably wear on a person.

[torn ember]

i cant really picture him just chilling on neon and not actively taking part in the search lol

[daring lake]

Not really. But @worldly stirrup states "but that doesnt track with other evidence"
So I'm asking what that evidence is because I don't know.

[torn ember]

ah

[torn ember]

pls expound upon this

another thing i wanna know is why every universe seems to have exactly one hunter and one keeper as well as one emissary

[worldly stirrup]

Well “starborn aiza” probably doesnt exist in the first place. Seems more like “unity dude”, or someone like him, doing a little trolling to get humanity into the stars

The fact that victor is always a corpse, with the same suicide note and story in every universe, also supports that he isn’t the hunter

[stark shuttle]

Aiza says that he met another version of himself

"when i touched the anomaly. I experienced 12 days of lost time. I met...myself. He told me everything that has since come true."

[worldly stirrup]

Well you meet yourself when stepping into the unity as well

He was the first human being to ever touch an artifact. Makes some sense that he had a unique experience

Beyond the usual LSD trip

[torn ember]

thats my theory

i mean it seems pretty clear to me

but i dont think that precludes the possibility that he became starborn anyway

even if hunter isnt aiza we do know hunter probably comes from earth so we still have the same issues

[worldly stirrup]

Yeah thats a fair point

Victor seems more like a pawn in a larger game being played by unseen forces

Someone who looks like him (which we know they can do) gave him information which forced humanity out of the nest it calls earth. But, with the knowledge to ensure they thrive

And can find the other artifacts

Jump forward to 2330. More divine intervention with all of these starborn appearing at the same time, once again fast tracking humanity out of its comfort zone. Making them question reality itself this time

And probably in the near future, causing people to flee entire universes like they fled earth. Not like the starborn issue is going away

[torn ember]

ive been thinking that the unity needs us to assemble the artifacts for some reason

but youd think they could just give us the locations

like every time you grab one why not give a vision with the location of the next at least and so on

[worldly stirrup]

Seems like a story where some higher power is nudging humanity into a higher level of existence

Star trek Q origin story

[torn ember]

oh yeah a problem with this is that the constellation members would recognize him, isnt it? matteo knows the keeper quite well

or his old man face is the result of some deceptive use of enhance services. but then why make yourself all old and wrinkly?

[worldly stirrup]

Technically this is also a future where you can change your entire genetic makeup in 5 minutes, for the price of a good bottle of beer

Commented that too late it seems lol

But despite enhance existing, it never plays a role in the story at all. I’ve chalked it up as a gameplay thing more than a lore thing

[torn ember]

yeah but its still there if they wanted to use it as a plot device. although it would feel very cheap lol

[worldly stirrup]

Very

The best explanation we get about why it isn’t used comes from companion dialogue that never plays due to a bug. “I was never brave enough to use it myself”

Yes, i talked about content in the game files. forgive me mods

[clever adder]

You might need make that will

[worldly stirrup]

wut

[mint smelt]

good morning folks

[daring lake]

Hi Doofey ☕

[faint cave]

What are the odds a few of the aggressive invisible wildlife managed to stow away on a ship and make their way to populated planets?

[modern burrow]

Depends on what ya mean by invisible.

[faint cave]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCEB49_eR_0

[peak halo]

Yes.

A pretty big one too.

[faint cave]

Terrifying

[peak halo]

Okay, IDK about that kind of invisible, I was talking about heatleeches

[modern burrow]

Well in that case... I would query if any such life form would have motivation to purposely do that. Accidental boarding or captured and propagated would be another matter.

[faint cave]

Well in that case... I would query if any such life form would have motivation to purposely do that.
Kill the intruder trying to escape, I guess, though this would probably count as accidental.

[sour token]

'10,000 Light Years' by Jonathan Young is Starfield Lore and you can't change my mind.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHcJgHNRqLs

Also I regret to inform that while you technically can have 12 bathrooms and a fridge full of meat, you cannot get hardwood floors instead of tile, 100 laser blasters, or a holographic suite to complete the 'Starship Velociraptor' build. 😢

[ancient jungle]

My head canon is the Red Mile also has a side hustle as an alien poaching and hunting program so pay money for dangerous aliens to stock in the rings and non-human populated planets.

[deft spruce]

I have to ask. I know there's already drug lore in the game like Amp is basically Jet and Aurora is basically Turbo. And those fit within the Bethesda lore of drugs. But you're telling me, 300 years in the future, weed is still not grown/used? C'mon now. The Romans loved Hemp for its versatile use and production, and they their reign surpassed far longer than the supposed UC has.

[unique urchin]

Working Logistics and Administration to make an efficient outpost xp farm is exhausting.

[deft spruce]

They're growing grapes and oranges which requires much more sophisticated agricultural setups than hemp does.

[unique urchin]

If someone can make an efficient xp farm that doesnt rely on biome borders, that would be great.

[maiden dew]

Can be done with cargo links. Easy one is just mine Iron and Aluminum and then craft adaptive frames. As long as the cargo links are within one system, you don't need fuel.

[daring lake]

Hydroponics is a thing when it comes to Earth fruits.

[unique urchin]

That requires a border biome to get both iron and aluminium in one outpost.

[maiden dew]

I am suggesting you have two outposts. One for Alu, one for Iron, and then cargo link the two.

[unique urchin]

And im not talking tier one xp farms (1xp per craft) im talking tier 3+. Multiplex logistics across multiple systems.

Im not masscrafting adaptive frames for xp. Too heavy and takes too long. I just have a single oupost on jemison to get argon, toxin and metabolic agent and masscraft Amp instead. Its lighter and more valuable.

Still grants the same xp as adaptive frames, for only 10% the weight.

And 10 times the sell value

[deft spruce]

The input to output gain/loss ratio on an orange is far less than hemp. Hemp can be grown in virtually any earth-like condition. Which I think would make it a much better space-faring plant, than an orange that basically requires it be grown in a tropical envrionment.

[unique urchin]

But my tier 1 xp farm is too slow now im above level 150

So i need something like an indicite wafer, drilling rig and Vytinium fuel rod xp farm set.

But every logistics tutorial requires border biomes.

[daring lake]

What I'm saying is that the demand for Earth fruit+veg is done via Hydroponics.
I understand what you are getting at but next to Aurora, regular weed would be
tame.

[unique urchin]

And legal. Unlike aurora

Besides. Chasmbass oil is legal to have anywhere

[daring lake]

Yes.

[unique urchin]

But as soon as you craft it with other stuff, thats when things get complicated.

[gaunt flame]

Hi folks, let's please try to keep the conversation suitable for the server.

[maiden dew]

So what exactly is not suitable for the server? We are talking about legit items of lore about the game.

[trim tendon]

Discussion of drugs not included in game

[worldly stirrup]

But you can literally manufacture, smuggle, and sell drugs for money in this game

[cerulean plaza]

Ah, Vimes. Nobs & Carrot say hello,

[cerulean plaza]

True, and isn't a bad bet for crafting and smuggling to earn creds. though there are way more efficient earning methods than Han Soloing the whole thing

[unique urchin]

Wanna smuggle aurora into new atlantis? Carry the resources needed to make it into new atlantis, then go find a pharmaceutical lab and craft it there.

[cerulean plaza]

I see you're a seasoned pro👌
I personally collect Magshears, all my outposts are dedicated to storing them, value assets n all. my character likes to play the market

[unique urchin]

when im not smuggling heavily regulated drugs like aurora, im mass-producing Amp and selling it to the local merchants for 10 creds a pop

well... now its 15 creds but you know what i mean

i also spent the time to watch the entire credits after entering the unity, to pay my respects to the devs and staff employed to create this game across the years.

[cerulean plaza]

It has to be done, they did a stellar job.
The unity music gets right into my soul each time.
I can't wait to explore the deeper plot there, be it in DLC or sequels.

[unique urchin]

well, if you visit their OST spotify, you can listen to it again, the Unity music is a modified cover of The World Machine, composed by the creative Inon Zur

if you want i can link it?

[cerulean plaza]

Please do 🙂

Thanks for this btw ❤️

[unique urchin]

here is the track, its in the OST playlist too
https://open.spotify.com/track/72EsLR0m4kRn35mYu5h815?si=e7e9e79c8e924d0e

[cerulean plaza]

Thank you 🙂 thats my afternoons listening sorted.

[unique urchin]

if you got spotify premium you can listen along via the discord listen along feature

[cerulean plaza]

Love it 😄 cant link my discord to spotify cos i work on discord but its on rn 😄 oh man, this immerses me so much. This game is not given enough credit, it's been my life since September and I'm glad i found this server

[unique urchin]

its been my life since halloween.

[cerulean plaza]

How do you get the RP roles?

[unique urchin]

https://accounts.bethesda.net/en/auth?cogs_modal=login&redirect_to=%2Fen%2Fgame%2Fstarfield&redirect_to_site=https%3A%2F%2Fbethesda.net

i just found the join constellation button and copied the url

if it dont work then just gooogle "join constellation bethesda"

%3A is a :
%2F is a /

that is something i didnt know till now.

[cerulean plaza]

Thank you mate, appreciate ya 🙂

[unique urchin]

also is there a way of buying a license to use the music from starfield in my youtube channel without a copyright claim?

or is that impossible to do?

[cerulean plaza]

I doubt it tbh, unless it was done via sync and the label that owns the masters

[unique urchin]

the copyright owner is "SUISA_SESAC_CS" according to youtube. if anyone from bethesda could correct me if im wrong?

wtf

OHHH youtube chose to give me a url that has the F word in it and Dyno is picking it up

dyno muted me lmao

i tried copying the full url but it still had the F word in it

[high copper]

Do enjoy the starfield soundtrack myself

[unique urchin]

https://tinyurl.com/starfield-epic-theme

[high copper]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqkBmUWSI5s miracle of sound also made a fan song

[unique urchin]

according to youtube, this is the melody used in my video while going into the unity

[unique urchin]

have you listened to Children of the sky by imagine dragons?

[high copper]

still need to fully listen to it

[high copper]

damn this goes hard

[unique urchin]

ik

[high copper]

sounds good
yea I'm an enjoyer of Imagine Dragons, very rare

[unique urchin]

hey @gaunt flame would just like to thank you properly for your help with dealing with dyno's false mute.

[gaunt flame]

No worries

[unique urchin]

also i looked at your profile.
i support you

[gaunt flame]

Haha thank ya

[daring lake]

So ... In my current NG+ run I am on my 3rd of the unique Unis.
I've had Walter and also the one with a single "You"
This current one is the "Constellation You" where there are
six alternates of "You"
When I go back to The Lodge all 6 of them materialise in similar
fashion to the Starborn Guardians we come across in game.
Its as though they are not really there at all. At least until I open
the door.

[stark shuttle]

yep they are all starborn like you are

[daring lake]

Yes. But they are not there unless "You" is also there.
Why not just have them standing there, as Walter and
his Ecliptic Mercs do?
Why are they not sat at the bar, or in the garden?
Are they actually The Unity making an unusual appearance
in the game?
Why do they all materialise at the very moment I open the door?

[torn ember]

i imagine they pop in like that to emphasize their starborn nature

and they just stand around aimlessly bc dev oversight

[daring lake]

Could be I suppose. But the materialisation is a very deliberate effect.
No Dev oversight there.

[unique urchin]

im still thinking the Unity is just a super advanced quantum computer, and that specific universe is just a debug universe for the starborn "you"s

[torn ember]

i know, i said the materialization is to emphasize their starborn nature lol

then i said the reason they just stand around and dont interact with the bar or whatever is because of an oversight

[daring lake]

It feels like its something other than that tbh. They all synchronise
there appearance as I open the door. Now that could be a bug,
I don't know. But it feels staged.

[unique urchin]

notice how each type of you, there is only one of? makes sense that its a debug universe to store specific hard-coded variations of "you", that the unity then uses randomly to generate unique variations, and is normally inaccessible, but as you gain power, something in the unity forgets the exception preventing a unique variation of "you" from entering that instance, thus you come along. the unity allows you to continue your starborn rebirth path to remove you from that universe whilst also allowing its continued existence as a storage medium. notice how they all dont want to go to the unity as well? its because they are hardcoded to not desire the unity as they have been rebirthed that way.

[torn ember]

because if they were just standing there then theyd just look like regular human copies of you

[frozen frost]

They're all chilling in the bar upstairs, then when they hear the door open they all bamf down to see who it is

[daring lake]

Well, should they not?

[torn ember]

well no, they're starborn arent they?

[daring lake]

And so am I.

I don't know

It just feels like something else

[stark shuttle]

think it is just the game telling you ' these guys are all starborn'
That's it.

[daring lake]

Possibly. But why though? I already know.

But you guys may be right and I'm overthinking it.

Maybe 😉

[unique urchin]

btw, if anyone wants to do a deep analysis of the unity, here, use my video as a basis:
https://youtu.be/oUr6iVsc24I

[high copper]

50 minutes

[unique urchin]

i also watched the whole credits, and that specific universe i had completed every faction quest, side quest and activity that there is to offer

[unique urchin]

because its the entire set of credits too.

[high copper]

imma leave a dislike >B)

[torn ember]

yeah.. but you already know that lol. are you reading my messages?

[unique urchin]

every zenimax employee that had anything to do with starfield's development at any stage has their name in the video.

[torn ember]

the game doesnt need to remind you that you're starborn lol

[unique urchin]

(provided they were correctly recognised in the credits of the game)

[unique urchin]

petpet da snek

[torn ember]

when you enter the lodge and see multiple yous materialize, you will immediately be like "oh a bunch of my starborn selves!" if they were just standing there you might just think they were clones or some other weird thing

[daring lake]

And the game does not need to remind me that all the "You's" are starborn too.

[torn ember]

why not? how would you know? you walk in and see a bunch of copies of you. you might assume they're starborn but you wouldnt know for sure until something confirmed it

maybe you just think its a universe where everyone happens to look like you

[unique urchin]

enters the Library of the Lodge
oooo someone wearing a shiny starborn suit!
they have my voice!

OH CRAP THEY WANNA KILL MEEEE!

insert panicking as i rush to the basement to grab the weapons down there

[daring lake]

Because it happens every time I go back to the Lodge.
Its not a one-off thing. And its that that has thrown me a little.

[unique urchin]

you know what else throws you?

your grav drive.

through a wormhole it generates to snap you across space instantly

[torn ember]

cant you only see it after the first time anyway because the door is open?

i think the weirder thing about that is probably the question of what happened to constellation

[daring lake]

Its much clearer when the inner door is open, yes.
But I also noticed it the first time. If only for a shorter period.
And yes, "Constellation You" is almost dismissive about the
regular Constellation guys.

[torn ember]

i pulled up a video, its not visible at all

maybe if you open the door really fast?

[unique urchin]

You think they didnt just not be present but be murdered instead?

[daring lake]

There was a flash. At first I thought it was a glitch.
But 2nd time in made the penny drop.

[torn ember]

"not sure what happened to constellation in this universe, but they collected a few artifacts and had the lead on locations for a lot more"

[unique urchin]

Maybe, knowing what they would discover, constellation you killed them, so the other artifacts will never be discovered?

[torn ember]

no lol

[daring lake]

Yeah, that dialogue just sweeps the issue of the missing swiftly to
one side. A bit of subjective opinion on my part.

[unique urchin]

Because they murdered them and are covering it up

Conspiracy theory moment

[torn ember]

wut

[daring lake]

Oh, the "not sure what happened ...." bit. It feels like I'm being told
not to question it and its OK for me to go about my business.

[torn ember]

what would even be the motivation for them to kill constellation lol

[stark shuttle]

i mean Crimson Fleet 'you' could easily have done it

[daring lake]

I've not mentioned killing,

That was someone else

[torn ember]

you're implying that the starborn yous know what happened to them though, right?

[daring lake]

Kind of.

[maiden dew]

I just figured it is lazy dev writing to sweep the problem of where Constellation is under the rug.

[torn ember]

yeah, but why? if so, what about all the other yous? also if cf you killed them in order to steal their valuables or something, why are they just hanging around?

was vangaurd you cool with it? so many questions lol

[unique urchin]

Constellation you was there before any of the others.

They kill constellation to stop them continuing to search for more artifacts, knowing that the hunter and emmisary would come after constellation if they were allowed to continue.

[torn ember]

[unique urchin]

They sweep everything about the artifacts under the rug.

[unique urchin]

To keep the hunter and emmisary from getting the artifacts.

[daring lake]

And then hand me the rug

No

[unique urchin]

Because you were the only one wanting to continue to the unity again

[torn ember]

so they can just give them all to you and then immediately wash their hands of the whole thing? lol

[unique urchin]

They still kept what happened to the original constellation members secret

[unique urchin]

Yeah.

Because all of you are you

If they cant trust themselves, who can they trust?

[torn ember]

and yet all completely different. and why dont they help you?

[daring lake]

I'm actually entertaining the thought that all the "You's" are not
what they appear to be.

[torn ember]

they cant even trust each other though lol. one is a pirate, the other is "loner you" who refuses to work with the rest

[unique urchin]

They didnt tell you what happened so that should you fail, the hunter and emmisary will never know.

[torn ember]

idk man you guys make way too many assumptions with your theories

maybe the player character is master chief and the artifacts are all actually part of a tiny halo

[daring lake]

No assumption from me really. Just questions banging about 😄

[torn ember]

that would actually make a lot of sense because sarah is a captain, like captain keyes

[unique urchin]

*was

[torn ember]

right. captain keyes is dead, so they're both former captains

vasco is cortana

[unique urchin]

After high price to pay, chances are shes dead too

So in both games, the captain perishes partway through the story.

[torn ember]

basically the same plot

[unique urchin]

Also if you remember that one halo cutscene where he gives the covenent back their bomb? Imagine if E.V.A. was added to Starfield, and you could do something similar? Maybe add the ability to eject from your ship if the integrity is critical, or as a starborn, be able to voidform and board an enemy ship while in EVA. Makes the Oxygen bar more useful in that it slowly drops as you spend time in E.V.A., only refilling once you are on a ship, add the lockpicking minigame to the external docking port of ships so you can board them.

Perhaps, you are vulnerable to debris from your ship should it be destroyed, but you are able to board and hijack an enemy ship if you eject in time. Concealment skill has an additional perk that gives you a lower chance of being detected as you eject from your ship, and tier 4 prevents you from being detected while in E.V.A.

Spacesuit design skill has a bonus perk for EVA, adding a higher chance of surviving emergency ejection if your ship is destroyed in the process.

With rank 4 providing a 80% chance of survival, rank 3 providing 60%, rank 2 providing 40%, rank 1 providing 20%, and no ranks mean if it explodes, it kills you (0%)

[torn ember]

digipicking a docking port open would feel pretty silly lol

[unique urchin]

The lockpicking minigame requiring a different kind of digipick, being a digipick that works in a vaccuum on a heavy duty lock. These would be ones you can only carry one at a time, and has a high mass, bolted to the docking port of your own ship thst you have to manually disconnect and carry over to the ship you want to hijack, manually clamping it on their docking port.

[high copper]

do I also just lose all my crew

[torn ember]

why is there even an interface on the outside of the docking port for you to hack into tho

[unique urchin]

There isnt, which is why you need the heavy duty apparatus.

[torn ember]

so less of you picking a lock and more of you just torching it open?

[broken flower]

Imagine locking yourself out of your own ship

[unique urchin]

Not quite. Digipicking a lock is basically programming the pick to imitate the correct key.
In this case, its programming the pick to imitate a successfully docked ship.

[pastel bolt]

like losing your car keys right you just torch the door open right

[torn ember]

ez just jimmy it open with a clotheshanger

[torn ember]

but there has to be a lock to be picked. im asking why there would be such a thing on the outside of a docking port, which you would never ever need unless you want someone to be able to break into your ship

[unique urchin]

So the docking port will open itself for you when you successfully trick the safety system into thinking its docked to a ship, and not docked to a hacking tool.

[torn ember]

okay but what are you plugging into to hack the door lol

the special port thats only there for you to hack into?

[broken flower]

I hope ship services provide locksmithing for when I lose my keys

[high copper]

how would you open a docking port in space without letting all the air out from the ship, there probably is a middle part of the port that can be sealed but how would that work for the player

[unique urchin]

Its using the same connector that would usually connect between 2 ships for them to interact and tell each other that yes, i am a ship, yes, my airlock is secure, yes, my airlock pressure is ~~psi.

[pastel bolt]

naw your pretending to be a spaceship with the hacking device

[modern burrow]

Assume there's a docking collar with it's own chamber so hatch 1 and then the hull section containing hatch 2.

[high copper]

how big is it

[broken flower]

https://tenor.com/view/firefly-serenity-simontam-sisterisaship-complicated-gif-5375308

[unique urchin]

There is no interface for you to type or pick, so you have a rig that is fitted onto the docking ring to pretend to be a ship, and you gotta program it to read the right values.

[unique urchin]

Same size as a 1x1 hab.

[modern burrow]

Well the docker all extend. what looks about 8 ft or so.

[unique urchin]

Uses airtight fabric, same as the kevlar bubble on the ISS irl

It folds out.

[unique urchin]

Movie name?

[modern burrow]

Would be several layers. One or two layers for environment, then one to three layers for protection against micrometeoroids and misc things like tampering / tearing.

[high copper]

so you're opening the first hatch, squeezing yourself in there, and then opening the hatch to the inside

[modern burrow]

More or less. Some how Vasco fits himself through so it can't be as small as implied.

[broken flower]

Firefly

[unique urchin]

IMDB link?

[modern burrow]

TV Show, not movie. Firefly.

[high copper]

just use a bomb to create an entry way into the enemy ship

[unique urchin]

That would blast debris into you.

[broken flower]

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0303461/

[modern burrow]

Firefly's movie was Serenity (also the name of their ship)

[broken flower]

https://tenor.com/view/firefly-serenity-jayne-cobb-pretty-cunning-gif-4816151

[torn ember]

wouldnt it have to be the size of the whole docking port lol? i guess it could expand

[modern burrow]

"I see a man walkin down the street in that hat, I know he's not afraid of anything!"

[torn ember]

damn i always hear about this show and it only ran for a season? lol

[unique urchin]

Only needs to cover the part of the electronic interface that digitally connects the 2 ships.

[torn ember]

what if theres two connecters, one on each side?

or four?

[unique urchin]

Successfully doing it would prompt the docking ring to extend as if connecting to another ship, then you can fly through and enter the airlock.

[torn ember]

and then everything gets sucked out of the ship lol

[modern burrow]

There is a gross lack of decontamination protocol in Starfield.

[pastel bolt]

Except Soap

[unique urchin]

Then it would be a multi-step procedure, or level up your security skill to construct a better tool that would connect to 2 or more sections of the interface at once

[modern burrow]

Landing bays / Docking rings should have boarding scrubbers / suction to clear dust / debris from suits and cargo.

[unique urchin]

No because there are 2 doors on this. The inner door and the outer door.

[torn ember]

not if both connecters need to be engaged at once, like what would happen with a normal docking

also wait how would you even get onto their ship in the first place without disabling their engines

[unique urchin]

Think of it like connecting your phone data cable to your computer. But the computer is off. The phone doesnt know its connected to a power source or any storage media until the computer is powered on.

[high copper]

This whole process of somehow stealthily entering a ship through it's docking port from the outside sounds very, complicated

[unique urchin]

Thats where your stealth skill comes into play.

[high copper]

also what does any of this have to do with lore, are we just here cause there's no cool down

[trim tendon]

Oh good point

[modern burrow]

Hacking a landin bay would make more sense really.

[pastel bolt]

The lore says that these are a people who don't notice you docked your ship after destroying their engines

[trim tendon]

And yes, please stay on topic of lore

[high copper]

imagine trying to do that and they just use the booster to fling you off

[torn ember]

their ship isnt just gonna be hovering there, its gonna be flying around at high speeds and shooting at you right?

[modern burrow]

"the booster" except if you're attached at all...

[high copper]

have you just been sitting there this whole time

[trim tendon]

Nah I just popped in

[daring lake]

sip ☕

[unique urchin]

With rank 4 stealth, and rank 4 boostpack training, while EVA, and a ship is idle, you can keep up with a ship, provided it is not boosting, and clip to the railings on the docking port, from there you can start the procedure of unlocking and boarding the ship.

[trim tendon]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-kitten-cute-pet-box-gif-3755480033035145273

[modern burrow]

https://tenor.com/view/mèo-motion-cats-cat-cute-cats-eve-one-cat-gif-15225820

[torn ember]

so this is really only to be used on friendly ships that just happen to be sitting completely still?

[unique urchin]

Hai, we are discussing ideas on what to add to starfield if we ever got a chance to work at bethesda, or if i actually put my heart and soul into modding, should starfield fully open up to modding.

[trim tendon]

So that's what happened to the magnetosphere

[unique urchin]

Or hostile ships that do not have any targets.

[modern burrow]

Yeap. Those Moon Cats just don't know their own strength.

[torn ember]

why wouldnt they have a target if your ship is nearby

[desert zinc]

Catocalypse 🫣

[broken flower]

need more cat lore in Starfield

[unique urchin]

For example, if your ship is destroyed but you ejected in time, and your concealment skill allowed you to be undetected while ejecting, you would be able to hijack a nearby enemy ship.

[desert zinc]

need more cats in starfield

[torn ember]

what if you failed the hijack?

[unique urchin]

I mentioned this earlier.

[high copper]

what about my crew

[torn ember]

start a new save file because now you're stranded?

[unique urchin]

https://tenor.com/view/dead-i-am-dead-ded-terminator-terminator2-gif-5663820

[high copper]

and your crew is all dead

[unique urchin]

If your ship blew up? Your crew would perish.

[torn ember]

literally nothing about this idea makes any sense at all im sorry lol

[high copper]

have to rework constellation quest then

or anyquest where that will happen

Yea it's an overcomplicated system that works better in an actual space sim game

[unique urchin]

Could be that constellation members or other required characters will survive by ejecting, same as you did, if you live, they live. Characters that are not quest reliant (like specialists) will have the same survival chances as you (80% if you had max rank in spacesuit design)

[torn ember]

so they survive just kinda floating around out in the middle of space

[unique urchin]

Same as you. Just gotta hope you can get to one of the ships that blew you up, and commandeer it.

Alternatively, if you got the engine systems rank at max, and you carefully navigate to the engine section of an enemy ship, you can externally sabotage them and hope you dont get fried in the process.

Same with the grav drive haha

[torn ember]

and what if you cant

pray that you remembered to save before you ever got into that combat encounter?

what happens to your crew if you dont go back and pick them up? do they just float there forever?

and again why would the enemy ships just sit still after killing you and not move

[maiden dew]

You would thing that someoen would have turned the grav drive into a weapon. Configure a missile witha grav drive and have it intersect a space station or a city.

[exotic nacelle]

https://tenor.com/view/starwars-hyperspace-epic-thelastjedi-awesome-gif-10751608

[maiden dew]

exactly

[worldly stirrup]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1TFYzYects

[unique urchin]

Then you die of asphyxiation as your oxygen slowly runs out.

[unique urchin]

No shield would be able to deflect an impact at those speeds.

[torn ember]

what if you saved your game after your ship blew up

[high copper]

never just have one save
I do but that's on me

[worldly stirrup]

hyperspace isnt about speed tho

[unique urchin]

You could also use the Ships EVA rungs (yes most ships have these around the docking port) clip on, hold tight and hope they grav jump somewhere where there are other ships you can get to before you die of asphyxiation.

[broken flower]

https://tenor.com/view/skill-issue-space-engineers-simply-a-matter-of-skill-airlock-decompression-gif-27444877

[unique urchin]

Or just load back to the save before you entered combat. Usually the game autosaves after each grav jump. I still think it SHOULD save before.

[torn ember]

i dont but i dont think it should be possible to soft lock yourself through game mechanics

theres nothing else in the game where you would just be completely screwed if you saved at the wrong time, barring bugs

[unique urchin]

Wdym its already possible to softlock yourself through game mechanics.

[torn ember]

barring bugs

[high copper]

It happens to me sometimes cause of the way I play, I don't always go for whats the most powerful I go for what my character would do, but that usually means I'll eventually be in a situation I can't win

[unique urchin]

Its not a new thing that sometimes if a ship takes off after locking you in the landing bay, it has a chance to fling you to a corner of the playable area, and you cant stop yourself from continuing into the edge, not even when grav dashing in the opposite direction you are travelling.

[torn ember]

thats a bug

[unique urchin]

So eventually you are gpnna need to let yourself hit the ground, and it instantly kills you.

Ok. What about the autosaving AFTER grav jumping, not before?

That can softlock you in a deathloop if your hull is low and you had no shields at the time you gravjumped

[torn ember]

kinda but thats not reaaally a softlock if you can just be quick enough to get your shields up and pass the encounter or boost away and grav jump or whatever

[karmic gale]

Not just cats, we need dogs in Starfield.

[high copper]

Dogfield

[pastel bolt]

https://tenor.com/view/cosmo-thinking-look-up-cosmo-the-space-dog-look-gif-27558429

[broken flower]

Bad dog

[torn ember]

alright guys

https://i.imgur.com/BtHsA3z.png

what is goin on with this thing

[high copper]

learning to draw an eye

[torn ember]

solid progress

[desert zinc]

They would be utterly useless in space. Someone needs to prey on heatleeches

[karmic gale]

Yeah I know. But dogs did travel to space before humans did. Well, we launched dogs into space as part of the space race. Even some dogs managed to survive in space and travel back to earth alive. Maybe immersively, dogs to be used as patrol dogs when searching for heatleeches, just like dogs used as patrol dogs in docks to search for rats and other illegal stowaways.

Think about it. Since cloning exists in Starfield, why not clone dogs to preserve life instead of just having alien pets? Plus, dogs can at least be useful for breathable areas for searching for resources, materials, POIs or bounty hunter targets. And even have dogs customized with their spacesuits, cause they look cute in them. ❤️

Dogs did have spacesuits during the Space Race. Dogs may not be the first animals to travel to space, but they did make history as much as chimps did before humans went to space.

Heck, even Cora would want a pet. She may not expect it to be an Earth dog as she and her father discussed about having a pet in the spaceship and not a mention about an Earth dog, but I personally want to have a dog in space instead of an alien pet. I mean, it wouldn't hurt to have both an alien pet and an earth dog pet. Cats included.

[torn ember]

well its not like we have alien pets either

[karmic gale]

Yeah I know. I mean, there was a random encounter of a spacefaring traveler who has an alien lizard pet. She just travels on planets with an alien lizard companion with her and explore stuff.

What introduced me of the idea of dogs into space in the first place was this kids movie of Air Buddies, then eventually I found out dogs actually travelled to space in real life during the space race between the US and the Soviets. Shame that we don't see dogs in Starfield, only on items or something. Since cloning exists in Starfield such as cloning Earth history's historical figures like Amelia Earhart, Genghis Khan, etc, then maybe cloning should exists for extinct species like the Aceles? Might be possible to clone dogs so they don't go extinct?

[solemn bough]

Hey is there ever any reason given for why Tamisar gave Zealots the location of Andreja and the other smugglers.

[daring lake]

No not really.

[solemn bough]

Hopefully we do get some answers, it really feels like a huge plot hole at the moment

[daring lake]

Probably tied in very closely with the whole Va'ruun storyline.
Chapter 2 can't be that far away can it?

Yeah, there are hints at a divided High Council, and its all a bit vague
right now.

[solemn bough]

Is the second chapter confirmed to be Va'ruun based.

[daring lake]

Nothing has been confirmed. But I suspect you would know that 😉

[solemn bough]

Yup, iv been all over their social media, iv noticed they drop info there before they do in the discord.

But so far it's just been Pictures of stuff and the steam beta thing

[daring lake]

You know, when I read that the first time it sounded like the sour, bitter cry
of a sociapath, trying to justify his decision to commit murder and wilfully
put the lives of others at risk in order to prove a point.
For me the question of continued xenophobia and dis-trust is an open one atm.
That said, the potential for future conflict between FC & UC exists, no doubt.

[solemn bough]

I still believe that House Varuun is far more technologically advanced than the other two, and have closer ties to the Starborn

[daring lake]

Yes. And I have some thoughts about that. But much depends on
whether that decal is pointing towards open conflict, or is just a heavy
hint that the Va'ruun will be center stage in the upcoming DLC.

[solemn bough]

There is also definitely a Hierarchy class system in VaRuun like I think Andreja comes from the lower class levels. That's usually where they get the spies and what not.

She speaks about growing up it being rough, but than there is probably an upper class of people.

[daring lake]

I specifically mean SS. Has that decal been seen in game for a long time?
Or did it appear after the last update?

Shattered Space

[solemn bough]

I am.nkt like a huge Bethesda follower of sorts but Is it normal for them to maybe stay silent on DLC up until the very last second.

I'm just wondering, cus I'm used to other Dev teams announcing stuff months or weeks in advance. Or at least teasing it.

Yea we are reaching the 7 month since release mark,
Their social media post there's nearly every other comment is Where's the DLC, which I think is a fair question to ask at around this point

[daring lake]

I hope you don't mind me "picking your brain" on this one.
Whilst I have a genuine interest, I'm also patient. And so I
don't go looking for stuff outside the game that much 🙂
So the question I have is; What makes it obvious?

Thanks for the answer Deebz__

[high copper]

https://tenor.com/view/incredibles-bob-parr-the-incredibles-gif-7194125

[solemn bough]

https://tenor.com/view/joker-electric-car-gif-21193957

But given that the DLC was pre announced alongside the game, I assumed it as already finished or mostly finished.

I genuinely thought it would have dropped right before the holidays

I think given how long it has been out, announcing the DLC as a pre order option was bad move without having a definitive release window other than 2024

Now I wonder if killing or letting Tamisar live will impact the future content

[slate valley]

I doubt you were told the truth about Laika, the first Earth mammal sent into space. There's a wiki page about her. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laika

[karmic gale]

I know about the truth about dogs dying in Space. I'm just saying few managed to come back to Earth alive. It just breaks my heart dogs died in Space. EDIT: I was wrong. I heard most dogs survived in Space. Those that died were mostly through technical failures. It breaks my heart Laika died in such a tragic way.

[broken flower]

ground control to Major Dog

[karmic gale]

Every Bethesda game should always have dogs. It's a crime Bethesda doesn't have dogs, only alien pets. There are alien fox creatures like foxbats, so hey! At least that's something.

[slate valley]

I would rather have a cat in my space ship.

[karmic gale]

That's fair. Cats should also be included in Bethesda games. I like kitties. Cats and Dogs must always exist in Bethesda games.

[broken flower]

Mars ain’t the kind of place to raise your dogs
in fact, it’s cold as hell

[karmic gale]

So get them spacesuits.

https://photos.com/featured/soviet-space-dog-in-space-suit-bettmann.html

I mean, look at dat face! ❤️

[slate valley]

Better still, give them a Mr Handy they can ride inside when planet side (moon side) with hostile environments. The little rocket booster with a large round window.

[broken flower]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-floating-in-space-cute-gif-11851331

[karmic gale]

Like seriously, how could humanity not leave these doggies behind from Earth? These colonists are terrible! They really need to clone these pups so they would have a reason to exist in the Starfield universe. Like I said, cloning's possible with the Aceles, and with the historical figures like Ameilia Earhart, Genghis Khan, Roseavelt, etc.

[subtle rivet]

I'm guessing that the dogs were wiped out by something, like xenoviruses. Could also be used to explain away the loss of many other earth animals.

[karmic gale]

Aceles were extinct, until the UC optionally brought them back to life to combat the Terrormorph threat by cloning them.

[stark shuttle]

cats are alive in the game, as there is evidence to show it. There is a film poster that shows a contemporary to the game family with a cat.

[karmic gale]

Really? I wanna see it. Where's the film poster?

[slate valley]

https://tenor.com/view/robert-downey-jr-iron-man-tony-stark-i-want-one-gwenyth-paltrow-gif-3567745

[stark shuttle]

https://imgur.com/YYGz6JJ

[broken flower]

https://tenor.com/view/monster-hunter-palico-cat-armor-cute-gif-18632880

[stark shuttle]

also kids contemporary draw them too...see here.
https://imgur.com/rH5jT4R

i could imagine Akilans training dogs to act as guard dogs against Ashta or to protect their livestock herds

[unique urchin]

yum

[unique urchin]

nah. they kidnapping ashta and domesticating them

[karmic gale]

Nooooo!!! That's it. I'm going Ashta hunting.

[broken flower]

just hoping there is a Planet of the Cats out there

[solemn bough]

Everyone wanting cats and Dogs meanwhile I want a Armored Grizzly bear with mounted particle beam cannons

[broken flower]

I support the right to arm bears

I want a ships cat that sleeps in the pilot seat and occasionally drags in a half dead heat leech

[unique urchin]

post on r/suddenpets

[faint cave]

I like to imagine Akila doesn't have a Terrormorph problem because of the Ashta

[solemn bough]

Well terrormorphs have psychic abilities so that gives it leverage over them

[solemn bough]

Also terrormorphs are stronger

[solemn bough]

But something I have been thinking about, which planet did the heat leach originate from

[broken flower]

probably the Creators,they might have devolved into terrormorphs. Artifacts may be hazardous to your DNA

[unique urchin]

starborn bodies do put out some... interesting radiation...

[broken flower]

https://tenor.com/view/unlimited-power-star-wars-gif-10270127

[jaunty ginkgo]

Aren't they native to the same planet with Aceles?

[broken flower]

A previous civilization (temple builders) may have dispersed both species so origin planet may be unknown

[indigo jungle]

yo Inkey whats up man

[maiden dew]

It is implied they are from the planet where Londonium is. Terrormorphs, Aceles, and the plant that accelerated heatleech maturation com from there.

[subtle rivet]

Toliman II, the place where you must at least once send LIST settlers to.

[broken flower]

gday, midnight here, time to sleep, got 50 km cycle ride tomorrow 😸

[indigo jungle]

Jesus, good luck

[mint smelt]

hahaha midnight here i just woke up went to bed at 6pm lol

[indigo nymph]

What's funny is that the Devs never gave Aceles a damage buff against Terrormorphs so if you ever get to see two of them fight the Aceles generally lose...badly

[high copper]

even just making them really, really beefy would be great, they look like bullets would just bounce off

[stark shuttle]

that needs to be added in suggestions. Would be an easy thing to adjust in game

[indigo nymph]

It's one of the reasons why I don't get why .50cal rifles aren't more common among civilians. Don't think a shotgun with 00 buck is going to do all that much against an Aceles or a good 80% of all other life in the galaxy

[torn ember]

mostly a concern for those who live on akila but yeah

[maiden dew]

I remember picking off ashta with a Justifier in the beer run quest. Like these are the terrifying beasts? Anyone capable with a rifle should be able to take them out.

Then again, I don't know why the Va'ruun have not taken over the galaxy with their Inflictors.

[torn ember]

numbers probably

[daring lake]

Its the Ashta that you don't see that make them tough to handle.
At least tough for the NPC population. I'm a one man platoon,
and carry armour, so not so tough fo me.

[mint smelt]

specially that big one

[maiden dew]

Yeah, we are like a Spartan or Space Marine compared to the rest of the population. I figure that everyone just kind of acknowledges our superior fighting skills when we get sent in alone to clear out the Key. At least it makes sense when I do CF as the last faction quest.

[mint smelt]

damn filthy bugs

[maiden dew]

Anyone else annoyed when the Inflictor still spews out annhilator rounds occaisionally even if you specifically do not have annihilator magazine as a mod? Tired of getting bounties for accidentally poisoning some NPC that wandered to close to my target.

[daring lake]

Never had that tbh

[stark shuttle]

apparently it's intentional. I sent in a report and got this back from customer support "After review of the inquiry made and after consulting the described detail with the development team, I can now confirm that the particle weapons will display the mentioned cloud/orb when there is a critical hit. I can also confirm that Companions can be affected by the mentioned orb and this is working as intended."

I replied via feedback with - "have recently been told by your support team that the Particle weapons intentionally cause an AO3 effect that can harm companions, even if you do not have the Annihilator rounds mod inserted into them.
This seems counterintuitive to have a weapon that cannot be used if you have a companion with you. The fact there is no mention of any particle weapons causing this, unless they have Annihilator rounds active, seems wrong.

If this is the case, then I suggest a way to toggle on off friendly fire damage, allowing users to use some of the most powerful weapons in game without worrying that it is going to harm their companions alongside them, causing them to stop following you. Especially going further into NG+ where damage from enemies increases."

[fallow whale]

Lol, Wut?
They cannot be serious. That is an absolutely astounding lack of foresight.

Wow. I had a similar conversation about AoE, Annihilator rounds and NPC friendly fire. But to have that effect present even without those rounds equipped is simply awful.

[faint cave]

Perfect for an isolationist faction who cares not for collateral damage and sends lone agents to the rest of the Settled Systems.

[unique urchin]

Chat wont load

Ah it finally loaded

[sour token]

Maybe a Flurkin? Like in Captain Marvel? 😸

[main flame]

space cat 🐈

[broken flower]

[midnight robin]

I love reading all the spiralling theories on reddit related to starfield. Some of the arguments made are pretty good

https://www.reddit.com/r/Starfield/s/kpJLSrUyNz

There's a comment thread about how the temples are relatively unheard of

[high copper]

whatchu mean

[torn ember]

lmao

[midnight robin]

As in whoever the commenter was said that there's not a lot of mention of said temples even though loads of them are in close proximity to civilian outposts. And then they said that a person's interaction with an artifact causes the temples to surface

Obviously most of it is probably weed thoughts lol

[high copper]

It would be prefered if the temple was the only poi that spawns in that cell

[torn ember]

shouldn't the buried temple rise out of the ground when you obtain its artifact then?

[midnight robin]

Yeah j think that's what the commenter meant

But just isn't seen as much until you investigate it. Because surely vlad would have picked up the signatures before you even arrived at constellation, and had people investigate

[maiden dew]

Information only travels at the speed of light. So let's assume there is some sort of quantum entanglement or space folding shenanigans for why the temples only expose when you touch an artifact.

They do sort of appear to have been thrust upwards

[midnight robin]

They don't really, the ground looks like it's been lifted around them

[unique urchin]

im hungry.

someone remind me why terrormorphs cant be farmed for meat?

[modern burrow]

Because it's terrible meat.

[modern burrow]

https://tenor.com/view/running-struggling-elizabeth-shaw-alien-covenant-noomi-rapace-gif-17559981

[unique urchin]

?

o.o

heatleeches growing inside people

new assasination method identified

[tropic yacht]

Yeah literally

Armor piercing rounds can get through anything why aren't people Safari-ing the incredibly hostile aliens all the time? Why is there barely any animal hunting in general?

[unique urchin]

wdym pyraaas VIII-b is a great place to go hunting

just most non-professional hunters tend to get hunted themselves

[stark shuttle]

Looking at the ground around each temple, it does suggest they do- Broken rock, melted surfaces.

[unique urchin]

only the artifact associated with that specific temple

or it could be that the temple emerges only when its artifact is brought into the same system. the signs of the temple remain, such as the Gravitational Anomalies, but the temple itself stays hidden unless it senses its artifact within the same system

[maiden dew]

You do randomly stumble across spaceship landings that carry hunters.

[high copper]

I've seen a few poachers from time to time

[daring lake]

Davis Wilson also mentions that there are people who turn
up on a seemingly regular basis to make their fortune as
a hunter.

[smoky onyx]

Also I forget which restauraunt it was but you ask them what planet they get their alien meat from and they tell you it's a closely guarded trade secret

[torn ember]

oh god

[broken flower]

Yes ?

[balmy cloud]

what happened to earth? i landed and its a wasteland

[high copper]

I left the oven on

[weak hemlock]

Advance the Constellation storyline and actually pay attention.

It tells you everything

Though if you really want it: ||Earth's atmosphere was ripped apart by the Grav Drive||

[indigo nymph]

Yeah there is zero thought put into projectiles so it's impossible to put any sort of conclusions on them. Many of the rounds in-game really shouldn't be able to do much damage to armoured targets or tough skinned animals

[tropic yacht]

It's always the leval scaling issue. A daedric sword IS effective against bandits, at early levels (or if you play on Super Easy) but eventually Bandits just seem to 'forget' that fact and shrug it off at higher levels, in spite of still wearing leather armor

Same with guns. Calibers mean nothing, item types mean nothing, it's all about the little number called 'Level' on the information display that counts

[hybrid axle]

I started the Vanguard questline

That segment where you go around the museum

Glorious lore, yay ... lovely !

https://tenor.com/view/kiss-love-good-morning-gif-7571519488772544730

[rigid canyon]

Keep in mind that it's only from the UC perspective so while it is Lore it isn't completely accurate

[maiden dew]

More accurate than the lore you get from the First.

[stark shuttle]

"Understanding is a three-sided sword: your side, their side, and the truth."

[torn ember]

at least we can trust the dates lol

[rigid canyon]

At least we can trust the dates

[torn ember]

[rigid canyon]

I wish I had that same emoji but facing the other way

[exotic nacelle]

best i can do for you

[smoky onyx]

That's how Bethesda does lore tho, all from in-universe and hella biased perspectives. It's what makes it interesting

The Vanguard orientation hall is basically UC agitprop, it's so funny

[teal wasp]

Don’t forget the slates

[stark shuttle]

there's even an old Colony Veteran walking around the 'museum' that says this if spoken to -
"UC sank a lot of money into this place. They say it's to teach foreign pilots our history. I think it's more about telling history the way they want it told."

[rigid canyon]

That's more reliable of a source than the actual sources in thr museum

[hybrid axle]

I really love the lore of their games

I personally enjoy all their stories and faction quest lines

But Star field feels like a step up than most of the others

[unique urchin]

now put em together

[stark shuttle]

coming from a suggestion. I think everything is leading into dealing with Bayu will be part of a DLC.

[daring lake]

Yeah, the untied loose ends of story threads in Neon is something
that I find interesting. All of them lead towards Bayu.

[daring lake]

The common denominator may be the game's design team?
And nothing more than that. Maybe. Bayu & The Seokguh
are unlikely to be starborn though. Breyson would know.

Heh, well I don't tell my brother everything, that's for sure 🙂

[solemn bough]

I feel like It's going to take a few chapters before we deal with Bayu or at least end him, they have rebuilt him up as some well connected eyes everywhere and sees it coming type of guy

[stark shuttle]

oh definitely

[midnight robin]

Why do model ships not fit on pedestals properly

[midnight robin]

They have to lean off the edge

[zealous grail]

ok so where is the space elves

why does house varuun use tech that surpasses the UC and FC

[midnight robin]

They're smart

[stark shuttle]

Upcoming DLC!

[zealous grail]

or maybe they ran into some space elves and the elves gave them the tech

[nocturne hollow]

Friendly reminder that, at the Unity (since I just went through it again), you can ask who made the temples and artifacts, and your Starborn self (or whatever we're calling them) tells you that one day you may meet the creators, but today is not that day. Maybe hinting at future content.

[daring lake]

Yes. And imo the Starborn Powers UI also hints at that with
the empty central part.

[slate valley]

Probably because they invested their time and resources into small arms over the preceding 200 years, while the UC and FSC wasted their resources on Mechs & Xenowarfare.

[zealous grail]

fair point

[daring lake]

Serpents Crusade though

[stark shuttle]

that was before the colony war.

[daring lake]

Well yes, but that's rather beside the point 🙂
House Va'ruun wasted their resources in the Serpent's Crusade
just as much as the others did in their own seperate conflicts.

[stark shuttle]

There's no knowing how powerful House Va'ruun were then. The war ended because Jinan died and his son took over. if he hadnt died the war could have gone on longer or been won by House va'ruun as , before we dont know how powerful they were. Enough to destroy the old Den though easily enough.

[daring lake]

A Crusade lasts for as long as a people will support it.
But for sure, there are many details that are unknown.

[trail kindle]

Mechs and Xenotech were banned though, so that’s just lost capital in theory. I don’t think any tech was banned after the crusade?

[daring lake]

Is that relevant though? The High Council of House Va'ruun would have
continued the crusade if they thought they could win. They lost a lot
and they are not the biggest portion of humanity out there.
Attritional conflicts cost lives.
I understand your point about lost capital, but lost lives also count.

[solemn bough]

That seriously is a small thing that does bug me

[mint smelt]

Varuun lives matter

[plain cipher]

might be banned but Xenotech is still alive as some of the fauna you can find was part of the Xemotech as you can find them on a few planets so what is to say people can't capture and unless this weapons again or try sell them as rare pets then they get lose and kill loads of people

[indigo nymph]

What I love is how Starfield acts as if banning a weapon is an effective way of stopping people from having that weapon. There are pirates and spacers in abandoned mech factories and they're all polite and respectful enough to not reactivate them and try to build mechs of their own

[quaint roost]

If a heatleech is on a persons ship when it goes into the unity will they also go to the unity
Could there potentially be Starborn Terramorphs?

[spring hemlock]

Does the same happen for any microbes on the ship?

[quaint roost]

Would the microbes even be aware of their own starborn nature or would they just keep doin microbe things

[torn zodiac]

Probably the Unity only works for sentients?

[quaint roost]

Terramorphs would probably be viable then, from how it killed the alien when we first see it and it’s mind control abilities I’m fairly sure they’re above animal intelligence

[bronze shoal]

looks over at IRL gun control.....

[maiden dew]

One faction quest has you interrupting Ecliptic capturing a xenoweapon.

[plain cipher]

Yeap and that Xenoweapon has spread from that planet too

[maiden dew]

So now we have to bring Aceles through the Unity to control Starborn Terrormorphs?

[quaint roost]

Starborn Aceles and Starborn Terramorphs fighting their own multiversal war behind the scenes

[unique urchin]

Except mechs are impossible to transport secretly into secured space. Its basically Sydney border control on steroids, but in space instead of australia

[unique urchin]

They never got the xenoweapon offworld.

[indigo nymph]

Only it's not, given the fact that we can see pirate infested facilities and have pirates, spacers or mercenaries landing on the main planets

[unique urchin]

Its easy to mask your ship signature. Except those are highly guarded secrets.

Inaccessible to the player.

[pastel bolt]

I think the amount of contraband items we find everywhere shows their is an active market for all those items. We may not have run into much of the functional applications for it ourselves but it is out there being traded. Sentient AI, Xenomorphs, and Mechs.

[pastel bolt]

Maybe joining up with the Ecliptic Mercs would be the best way to find the wealthy buyers who actually use the banned technology? Instead of just busting the smugglers.

Maybe the mercs are actually their protecting it from spacers and pirates looking to scavange the valuable contraband ?

[stark shuttle]

Not found Siren on any other planet than Niira where they were abandoned after the battle there. What other xeno warfare animals have you found elsewhere? (apart from terror morphs which could never be controlled as xenowar tech anyway)

[plain cipher]

Siren found on Muphird

[stark shuttle]

Wonder if that's their native planet

[plain cipher]

Might be but I don't know if the quest you get from the new Xeno team on mars will make more xeno fauna spawn on place

[torn ember]

really? idr that one

[torn ember]

but no one has made a sentient ai or a mech or a xenoweapon of their own yet lol

[pastel bolt]

that you've seen

Maybe there are other POI hidden in the darkest corners of space filled with atrocities and abominations you couldn't imagine ?

[maiden dew]

We do encounter a sentient AI, though its birth appears to have been accidental.

[torn ember]

yeah, exactly

[pastel bolt]

That was an old satelite that developed sentients it's not really related to all the contraband for ai development we collect in space

[torn ember]

the whole universe is in the game! its just that you can only go to some of it

[pastel bolt]

@torn ember maybe they are in places we can't yet visit

[torn ember]

pls stop dolo

cant take any more hopium

[pastel bolt]

its possible is all I'm sayin and if they can afford a laboratory to develop the contraband tech they'd probably be hiring ecliptic to collect it for them. When you steal an eclipic ship there's always contraband but we never find out who the original buyer was. But maybe if we joined ecliptic we could find some of those POI using a captains slate to plot a course ? People that would pay top dollar instead of offloading it to the trade authority for resale. Also the trade authority has no trouble buying it because they know they can sell it easy, because there is an entire market of people who need the contraband to develop their own projects.

[maiden dew]

Maybe it is locked away in Shatter Space

[pastel bolt]

@torn ember too much ? Like it does all kind of add up doesn't it ?

https://tenor.com/view/feel-me-think-about-it-meme-gif-7715402

[pastel bolt]

I think shattered space is gonna expand on the unity story line a barrel of bug fixes and maybe they drop the creation kit same day or wait a month and release the creation kit with a patch for the DLC. I'm kind of hoping the third or 4th DLC will let us join ecliptic like the brotherhood of steal and take on more fringe enemies that are stronger because they are using the contraband for nefarious purposes. Like a clandestine branch of the ecliptic that is just for dealing with contraband related fringe crimes secretly financed by the UC and FSC.

[hybrid axle]

I’m excited for Shattered space

I found the story in the base game of Starfield, beautiful

[pastel bolt]

@hybrid axle which part ?

[hybrid axle]

Hype !

[hybrid axle]

Hello, lol

Hm, best part of the main story, probably the introduction of the star born and the quests leading up to the || death of a companion ||

Also the quest, entangled was amazing

From that point onwards, hmmm

So good

[pastel bolt]

Entangled was crazy I didn't realize till ng 5 that their was a third option to save Raul I just thought he had to die to save everyone else

[hybrid axle]

So many options, so many choices

He he

The factions were also pretty fire

Crimson fleet, oh damn !

[pastel bolt]

if the UC was friendlier and offered some vendors on the vigilance it might have been a harder choice, but everyone at the key calls you rook and thinks your cool, vendors buy anything you want to sell and then you go back to the vigilance and they are no fun at all

[stark shuttle]

that's part of the vanguard questline. Again Niira where xenoweapons were deployed on mass

[hybrid axle]

Vanguard introduction was so cool

Hm, going around the museum and taking your exam and proving your worth, it actually requires you to be good at ship combat to pass the exam, which is cool

[pastel bolt]

ya the UC Vanguard was really awesome compared to sysdef

[stark shuttle]

ah i loved playing the double agent for Sysdef. felt like a proper spy.

[pastel bolt]

Did you do the ground pounder mission ? That wasa lot of fun

[hybrid axle]

@pastel bolt so what are your overall thoughts on SF

[pastel bolt]

I liked that part of it just felt like the sysdef only redeaming quality is they are part of the UC apart from that they arent really worth helping

[pastel bolt]

I liked it a lot but its still early, what im really looking forward to is modding the game up after a few more DLC come out. First release always feels more like an orientation and by time game of the year drops its normally a much larger more immerisve landscape

[hybrid axle]

I also liked it lot, I must say a big draw of it was the music and story

[stark shuttle]

See that was the point. The fleet dangles temptation in front of you. It has all the vendors to sell contraband too, you just have to sell your soul as well.
Sysdef dont have anything fancy to offer, except..doing the right thing.

[hybrid axle]

I’m 115 hours, close to loving it but also a few nitpicks and flaws that drag it down, but if I think back to previous games

It’s tricky

[maiden dew]

You do get that dopamine hit if you go talk to the News Lady afterwards though.

[torn ember]

you know what adds up more? they didnt have the resources to add it to the game, so it isnt there

[high copper]

In a general censis it seems that CF and Vanguard are peoples favourite, don't hear much about Ryujin but a few praises, most have issues with the last mission and Constellation and Ranger quests are the weakest
though personally the second half of the constellation missions are better, i did enjoy getting the artifact with Stroud

[pastel bolt]

It feels more like they just have a grudge against the pirates and are using you to complete a task where as the pirates seem to like you just for being around and helping

[torn ember]

not tryna do mental lore gymnastics to justify bad dev decisions

[pastel bolt]

I think a series of higher tier dungeons is more like a down the road DLC. Where as day 1 vanilla is more just about getting aclimated

[torn ember]

anythings possible i guess, but i doubt we'll ever see mechs

you guys are way too optimistic about future content lol

[pastel bolt]

We met a mech pilot in gargarin that looks like a recruitable, She doesn't have much dialouge but its all related to her being a mech pilot

[stark shuttle]

You are a means to an end for the Fleet. every one you talk to says clearly, they always have to watch out for a knife in the back. Why that first guy you track down for naeva fled. he was sick of it.
Frankly i dont see the CF as actual pirates. they are spacers with a colour code.
'No one leaves the fleet except when dead' - except for Rokov...Matis...Vlad.
'Fleet are family' - family who'll stab you in the back.
You must listen to Delgado etc
If going by actual pirate code, say the golden age of piracy - the famous Blackbeard etc. They were the first organisation that developed democracy. the very concept of being a pirate was to earn enough to retire comfortably and be safer amongst allies whilst doing it. if a captain's orders were bad, the crew would hold a vote and could veto it.

Sysdef are trying to correct a monumental screwup the UC did 100 years ago. They pretty much admit it. Now i'm freestar through and through, but i support sysdef in that one.

[pastel bolt]

Even after getting lectured by all the companions and the unity telling me it was bad I just don't feel right stabbing them in the back.

Are there new vendors if UC takes over ?

[stark shuttle]

That i feel i wish i could arrest them, not just Delgado and the Reckoner. Especially Jazz, the doctor and Bog. The TA guy is stupid to fight as none of the Fleet care about him. If he cowered and hid and said he was put up to it, he'd get off.
But the rest..happy to take out.

[pastel bolt]

What does it look like afterward ? Does the UC move in and setup vendors ?

[torn ember]

even if it was cut content, that doesnt mean its gonna be added in the future

[stark shuttle]

Sysdef take hold of it, saying they will station guards there until the UC decide what to do with it. No vendors, which makes sense as why would there be

[pastel bolt]

if they don't somebody is already working on adding it

[torn ember]

my response to this:

[torn ember]

yeah and it looked awful last time i checked but heres hoping

[high copper]

they are trying

[pastel bolt]

you can't use a non-lethal weapon ?

[stark shuttle]

no tried it once. their knock out timer is very short and they get up. if you leave them and run through opening doors the sysdef soliders who come in after kill them instead. It's a set thing.
But it's one of the suggestions i asked for in that channel. The option to arrest them instead.

Im still waiting though for the random event where Naeva turns up to attack you after. It's set to very rare which is stupid as it should be a set piece that happens after not a rare random event

[pastel bolt]

I was goofing around with my ship and had all plasma turrets, she blew up before I could try powering down same thing when i ran into the guy with the elvis hair

[torn ember]

radley fighting for the fleet and not just surrendering to sysdef is so funny lol

[stark shuttle]

I mean INSIDE the Key. Outside you have to destroy the enemy ships . Oh you mean you got that event post CF mission?

her appearing after is like a 5% chance!

[pastel bolt]

on one play through i double crossed them but never went back to the key. when i ran into her she kept calling me sysdef instead of rook then when i got off the radio all my turrets went off and she was gone

I wanted to board her ship but it was to late

[stark shuttle]

That was a very rare occurrence indeed. Im NG+6 and still havent encountered her

[pastel bolt]

i like jumping around for the random encounters and abandon ship i stop by random star systems, normally if i see a ship on the scanner I go investigate

[stark shuttle]

i do too! But yeah Naeva is a 5% chance of encountering

[pastel bolt]

She big angry you don't want to run into her. I still felt bad for screwing them over but she out for blood at that point.

[stark shuttle]

nah i want to take her out. I hated her

[pastel bolt]

🤣 She was kind of a jerk but I didn't mind. I thought sam was the most unbearable

[indigo nymph]

Not to be bad, but if you thought the story of Starfield is good then you should probably read a few books mate. There's a reason why most wiki creators stopped and Bethesda lore YouTubers stopped after a week or two of the game. There just isn't that much lore to the universe or story going on

[peak halo]

Yeah, outside of the main and faction questlones, there really isn't much lore to be found, which SUCKS, because usually beth games are packed with world building, and you'd think it would be more important with a new IP than one thaye been established for 25+ yeara

That said, what lore does exist is really interesting. It's more of an appetizer than a meal though, doesn't really fill you up, just makes you want more

[indigo nymph]

It's sad because the Vanguard orientation hall and the NASA mission are all you need to get the entire backstory to the whole universe that they've built

[hybrid axle]

Bruh, I read books so what do you mean

Anyway I like it, what is so wrong about that, lol

I’m just sharing my opinion

[midnight robin]

Starfield story is great

[hybrid axle]

Oops, can I do that

[midnight robin]

Not really, NASA mission is more so just an insight into the first discovery of an artifact and the reason behind the evacuation of earth

[hybrid axle]

https://tenor.com/view/lol-weak-sauce-im-ded-dead-i'm-dead-gif-9570163115388730270

[midnight robin]

So the 'whole universe' is a bit of a stretch

[stark shuttle]

It's a new game. the lore is being discovered as it goes. it's there if you bother to look

[midnight robin]

Literally, look at what fallout started off with. It was an unknown

Starfield is a new direction for bethesda, it makes sense that they aren't revealing it all at once. But so far it's been really good

[hybrid axle]

I think Fallout lore is my favourite

I don’t know, something about it just makes my geeky brain explode with excitement, lol

[stark shuttle]

Yeah there are decades of lore to dig through there

as in decades of games

[hybrid axle]

But I like Starfield’s lore so far, it is pretty cool so far

[broken flower]

Don’t worry about people criticising you for liking the game ,they’re just showing weak character traits

[hybrid axle]

I will be honest, I have never encountered a game that is so toxic

[finite crater]

lets get back to talking about starfield lore.

[hybrid axle]

Sorry, lol

I do like how factions work in this game

[high copper]

Snarkly responds
"what lore"

[hybrid axle]

Hm, you have earn it and love the intros to all of them

[high copper]

laugh track

[hybrid axle]

All very cool

I like how in Vanguard, you go around the museum and learn about the history of Starfield, it was quite needed for me as I was wanting something like this, lol

As well taking your exam, I don’t know it felt … cool

[daring lake]

Just found one of the derelict ships. It contained 2 dead scientists and an
interesting slate, which reads;
"I've been convinced for years that it's possible to create a link between a
human mind and a grav drive... There are so many unknowns to this technology,
but my scans show a polymorphic system that mimics human cognition.
Earl is convinced that this will kill me and the ship but the price is worth it
in my mind"

Sorry if this is a well known thing but I find it astounding.

[stark shuttle]

oh yeah that one is very interesting especially regarding how grav drives were invented

[torn ember]

starfield is so good it even makes test taking fun! woah!

[hybrid axle]

It is nice to just let out all this excitement that I had for this game, lol

[hybrid axle]

Oh god, I’m off … this dude, lol

[silver eagle]

please keep the conversation in this channel on lore.

[daring lake]

Especially, imo, about how the drives operate. "Mimics human cognition" kinda
brings up more questions about the artifacts (and by extension grav drives )
link to the Unity.

[hybrid axle]

I also loved the introduction of the Star born

The hunter saying hello constellation, bro … goose bumps

That whole segment is chef’s kiss

Then || Barrett died || so that ended quickly, felt like a kick in the teeth

I actually felt a bit guilty, promised || Barrett that I would find Ervin for him ||

[mighty wagon]

why did i click that spoiler

[stark shuttle]

the one who ||dies|| is always the one who you have the highest affinity with. The one who travels with you to the Scow is the second.

[hybrid axle]

I actually cared about the companions, Barrett was quite a good character, he was the one who introduced me to everything

[stark shuttle]

Unless you choose the opposite..ie the one left is the one with the highest affinity.

[hybrid axle]

I was sad when he || died ||

I did love the companions in Fallout 4 … so this is no surprise

[stark shuttle]

For me first time i played it was Sarah as id made sure she was highest tactically,|| Sam stayed behind on the eye (i was married to him) I chose to go to the eye and leave Sarah at the Lodge. She died. || but yeah i could have stayed at the Lodge with Sarah and|| Sam would have died||

[hybrid axle]

I don’t know, I really like the main quest in this game

Do you guys role play when playing these games

[broken flower]

Yes, I am the puppet master, pulling strings

[stark shuttle]

yeah my second playthrough, my canon i role played it as Sam|| dying, again married to him.|| it gave my Spacefarer a reason to go through Unity as why would she otherwise?
So yeah i role play my characters as well it is an RPG game

[hybrid axle]

I was meaning, like you are the character … you would make choices as if you were him or her and the way you like based on truth and the way you go about doing is activities and quests is tied into what you would actually do in those circumstances

[stark shuttle]

yeah

my dusty is based on me

[hybrid axle]

Same

Captain Bert, legendary story

[stark shuttle]

Captain Jones, my descendent 😄

[faint cave]

All the time

[hybrid axle]

Same

I think this probably the most role play I’ve done in a Bethesda game, then it is probably Skyrim

Bro, finding your parents in the astral longe is so funny

[solemn bough]

The lore of the mantis seems more interesting and the Terroromorph stuff as well outside of that I found most of the story to be rather boring

[hybrid axle]

The dialogue choices are peak

Whoever wrote it needs to get a raise, parent perk is so funny, man

[stark shuttle]

The kids trait perk is 80% great. What they have is fantastic, but it could be much better. Ie there is NO dialogue to tell your parents you are seeing someone ( your mom can ask you the first time you see her if you are seeing someone. but that often happens right near the start of the game) no dialogue to tell them you are getting married, cant invite them to the wedding and cant speak to them before you leave for Unity. cant say goodbye.
there also isnt anything connected to faction missions.

[hybrid axle]

Oh damn, what a shame

[stark shuttle]

i had nothing.

[hybrid axle]

Oh okay, lol …

That is tragic, lol

[stark shuttle]

that is so vague. i want to actually say goodbye.

[hybrid axle]

Future updates, maybe

The future looks bright, boys

Bruh, that meme is classic

Oh well, lol

[silver eagle]

I have already stated this is for lore chat only

[torn ember]

tbf if you were able to do that it would be hard for them to make the parents react in a believable way. theres not really room for big emotional moments

[finite crater]

And I and Goblin

[torn ember]

like youd all be crying and hugging each other

[stark shuttle]

there is like a whole mission that is around someone dying and the memorial. you can emotional dialogue without physical hugging

[torn ember]

eh

[stark shuttle]

Exactly. the memorial especially.
I suppose you had to actually be connected to the character who died to care.
if you just play it without that depth then you probably wouldn't get that.

i never got that and i had all that criteria. must be a bug

but even if that IS the goodbye dialogue. Everything else i mentioned is missing. That rpg element to the lore of the kids trait is lacking

[torn ember]

try being a serpents embrace user

[stark shuttle]

have you had the rare universe with Andreja? if so did you get any specific dialogue?
I do with the Walter rare universe if you have the industrialist background.

[torn ember]

havent gotten it personally, but im pretty sure she will back down and hand over the artifacts when you choose it

which really makes no sense but whatever lol

[stark shuttle]

oh no i know the dad has more interaction dialogue. I think i went back to them after every major mission hoping to see if they had new dialogue. Like post terrormorph attack.....becoming a ranger etc

[high copper]

probably cause it's a parent trait so lower priority in the end?

no that... also doesn't work

[stark shuttle]

Yeah and it's rare it happens as your mom asks you the first time you go to see them, so it's highly likely you havent got into a relationship with anyone by then

[high copper]

cause the companions have a response

but it's like how you can't bring them to your wedding

[exotic nacelle]

Please keep this channel lore related

[faint cave]

I like to think that LIST is just the UC getting around the 3 system limitation of the Treaty of Narion.

[tropic yacht]

Oh man the three system rule

That is an insane thing to ever agree to. Literally insane

[torn ember]

that does seem like a contrived way to explain the lack of major settlements

[peak halo]

Doesn't explain the lack of people.

Even if a significant portion of humanity didn't survive earth, there should be more people in the world. Yeah the serpents crusade and colony war were massive, but I don't feel it could explain the lack of people

[faint cave]

The UC might have even gotten the short end of the stick in that deal, despite the fact that they were the ones who demanded the 3 system limitation. Wolf is a totally barren system compared to Narion.

[peak halo]

Is wolf considered one of their colonized systems?

[faint cave]

Well, the Colony War was only thirty years prior to the start of the story, and it was very bloody. That might look like a lot but it's a very short amount of time to populate entire systems, let alone a single planet.

[peak halo]

Though, I'd say a barren system is a fair balance for the Cradle of Humanity

[faint cave]

Yup. UC controls Sol, Alpha Centauri (and likely Toliman thrown in), and Wolf. Freestar controls Volii, Cheyenne, and Narion (and Valo thrown in).

[daring lake]

The Narion Treaty agreed on Wolf, Sol & Alpha to be UC
and Cheyenne, Volii & Narion to be FC

Yeah, because actually they are binary systems

[tropic yacht]

No this isn't an issue of not enough space or people to expand, this is a case of generationally locking your population to one specific sector of land

[daring lake]

BGS renamed Proxima to Toliman

[tropic yacht]

It's just... Like what? I get making more major settlements would be hard but you're writing in a rule that would make any mod settlements basically illegal?

||Which is considering modders even can make proper settlements like the other examples||

[weak hemlock]

LIST

[tropic yacht]

That's all minor stuff. It's not really cities
Yknow, places where actual progress is made

[daring lake]

Yes. But not in this game. Proxima is positioned right where BGS put Toliman.
Toliman irl is much closer to Alpha.

[peak halo]

Proxima is the third star IIRC, it's in a wider orbit of the main two.

[faint cave]

Paradiso and Red Mile are independent settlements. Nishina too, probably.