#Kai Enjoyers Chat
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So good

Mr pig
Let me pick your brain
Why are you so good at characterizing these silly fellas

man
They’re so—cute
Sigh


can someone pingbaesop and put mr pig on their writing team
Pls
Thanks
@umbral grotto can you hire mr pig

Your writing is too good.. I swear I genuinely have not been invested in these characters until reading your stories

I’m not even joking
you’re so clever
What the heck
because of you I can’t even hate Kai’s dad anymore without thinking about his perspective, Aimi and Zentaro are cute and endearing instead of just being another team

My guy
My amigo
never stop cooking
To answer the question in a serious manner. A lot of it came from reading other works, looking for what I liked about them, and applying it to the OS setting. I love detail heavy descriptive work, and trying to develop a setting where you can feel the world around the characters is important to me.
Character writing was largely a matter of taking the source material given by the game, and asking myself questions repeatedly to try and figure out how they'd act in situations. For characters with less material like Kai's Father I actually stick to this even more rigorously if you can believe it. Everything was a matter of tracing back to his motivations, as a solid motive is the vast majority of what he was characterized with. (I also opted to take an extremely charitable perspective on that motivation for the sake of making the character feel more human).
It's also a lot of how I get settings for my stories. Take the Datablade one you just read for instance.
The game states that Zentaro and Ai.Mi hit it off, and Lunchboy has confirmed the two canonically room together.
Naturally conflict is going to come up there, especially when they're two characters with vastly different backgrounds. Rogue technologically adept AI with a bunch of knowledge from years as a general use assistant who was essentially born into the physical world months ago VS Half-Oni kid who had to leave home early. He lived in a comparatively primitive society with little to no tech, but makes up for it with lived experience and having presumably traveled alone on the road extensively before reaching Ahten.
Opposites attract, and the two compliment each other's faults well, which is why I wrote the relationship as a precursor to something romantic, but my writing was always trying to clue into the contrast of attitude the two have. Ai.Mi's ego vs Zentaro's selflessness. Ai.Mi's assured understanding vs Zentaro's lived experience. That obviously paints Ai.Mi very negatively in this context, but not all of their situations together will necessarily be like that. Someone has to start the problem.
The interaction between Atlas and Kai's Father of all possible pairs was born out of a desire to explore Ahten's history and make connections between the game's very limited "old guard" cast so to speak. One of the things I'll fault OS's worldbuilding on is that Corestrike doesn't feel like a very "real" sport. All of the teams bar EM competing in the in-game season are rookie teams, and we know virtually nothing about its previous seasons aside from the feud between Estelle and Kai's family.
Building up a history for the scene of what is supposed to be the world's premier sport is a big undertaking, and I think the game's world suffers for not putting more of an effort into that. Which is why I'm writing about it in part to satiate my own curiosity.
Wow you just said it
I’m so glad you are as well because it’s one of the huge things that bugs me so much about this game
We need more lore not just of the characters but of the actual world they inhabit
I wish they incorporated how corestrike was actually like a real and genuine sport they did that I could fully believe exists. I just didn’t feel it at all and it’s one of the main reasons I like your stuff so much. It’s explores all the questions I wish were answered
Even the details like atlas’ sad having a special signature on the things he’s made, or Zentaros mother being an artist mean so much more to me
I feel like your putting missing pieces into an unfinished puzzle and it feels so satisfying
Literally how your stuff makes me feel. It’s like the game from a much needed shift in perspective that helps world building flourish
It’s all the stuff outside the sport that flesh out the world as a whole and everything that happened before the current point
introducing Kai’s relationship with atlases father which ties to the sentiment shared in game with his disappearance and even touching upon Atlas’s twisted objective and insane project to go back in time to meet with his parents. It’s cool on text in the summaries but as a person in the world its insane and obsessive
but still something that can be understood. I love how you even include Kai’s mother not being around to give Kai’s dad a reason and a way to understand where atlas comes from, yet still choose to distance himself from that
ahaaaahwhd
And then when he does mention her only briefly with Kai… awrgghhhhh because it makes perfect sense from using their perspective why atlas is so keen on doing it in the first place aaaaaa
Oh my dear, oh my goodness
The more I think about it, the more peak it becomes
Yes!! Make sure to read Mr. pigs latest one!
I’m going to read it again ahahaha
So much consideration and respect for the original material but so much creativity to expand on it even further!!!!!
Aaaaa
aaaaaa

I have so many ideas now
You hit the nail on the head with that assessment. The true nature of Atlas' work is something that I grappled with while writing this, because while Atlas is portrayed as the "noble" scientist to Rasmus being the one who is depraved beneath the surface I think Atlas has his own skeletons in the closet. One of the biggest issues I had writing this was to for lack of a better phrase make the conversation make sense.
Because the TLDR of what happens in the fic is ||Atlas tells Kai's Dad (a man he met within the last hour at most) a secret that he's kept hidden his entire life even from his closest friends and his own sister.|| Selling that as in character without making Atlas look foolish was easily the biggest hurdle, and I nearly scrapped the thing multiple times trying to do it.
I can imagine!! It is a very heavy subject to bring up ||not only that, but at a surface level it would even seem out of character. But the thing is he’s so desperate to make it work and at this point Kai’s dad—Nolan—is the only person still alive with enough of a connection to his parents that he can even think to divulge this to him in the first place|| since he doesn’t even tell his team nor his sister.
I think you definitely sold it
And the fact that ||you even omit the words he actually says is brilliant. I wonder how terrifying his idea really was|| that was freaking amazing.
Playing into Atlas' emotions is a big part of the conversation, though Atlas' perspective tries to avoid the fact that there's any manipulation there very deliberately. Your eyes are Atlas PoV in that moment, and he's the one who wants to walk through the situation logically. To the point he may even blind himself of what's really pulling his decision sometimes.
That's a big thing I'm trying to hit with writing these characters in 3rd person. Is that every perspective feels like it's coming from them.
When you learn about something you see it tinted through their lens.
The ever so lovely, unreliable narrator
Especially because the game makes him out to be a very smart and well adjusted person, but from an older perspective and someone who has definitely had similar thoughts—to the point his proposition is tempting being able to bring you into the (no he’s not ok actually) when changing the perspective is so good.
Its a very nice shift, because it doesn’t make atlas seem stupid, but its very noticeable that he’s blind to his own dangerous mindset and only by changing perspectives to Nolan does the reader see this. I mean even until the end not once does Atlas think he’s doing something insane.
I love it
And then at the end ||the letter TLDR: “keep me out of it”|| seriously got a laugh out of me
The part I like most out of that little moment is one of my revisions where I remembered to include this detail.
Do not leave loose ends in matters of grave import Kai chat.
Anyways I'll stop yapping about my own work, because that's probably in poor taste. Glad you enjoy it so much. It's really encouraging!
Wait wait where is that line
no it's in good taste do it more
NO PLEASE
KEEP YAPPING
Nothing I love more than discussing people’s creative works with them
you should celebrate a job well done and highlighting stuff you like about your works is very healthy
You don’t understand this is my favorite part of reading
It's moreso a matter of covering his tracks, and wanting to make sure evidence that he ever met with anyone of note is off record.
Fair, perhaps i am jumping the gun with him quite literally destroying the letter
Of course he is also bad at heeding warnings, because while this fic was a good exercise in worldbuilding, it is not the place of Kai's Dad to act as a point of resolution for Atlas' character arc.
But Alas, as an English kid I must shout whenever I see potential symbolism
Its very nice because even though atlas’s perspective ends, its very clear his story does not
Oh, oh!! I didn’t even mention how much I adored how you wrote drek’ar
I love that his habits from being ex-marine are still there that he asks for permission to enter atlas’ room in such a formal way
It was great
Gosh i loved that
Very excellent character moment even though he shows up for only a brief moment

I actually got inspired about a lot of my detailing for Drek'ar PoV by Leviathan's fic between Drek'ar and Juno. Channeling Drek'ar's unique culture and history into his actions was super fun, and making sure the "invader" feels adequately foreign and not like everyone else was something I wanted to make sure I got right.
Also just referencing even the smallest aspect of Drek's home world because oh my gosh what a world building opportunity
The SLE (Space Lizard Empire) is a criminally under-developed thing that exists.
Oooh! I actually have not read that one (probably because Juno’s in it) but i might just give it a look after this.
One hundred percent
It’s just like the freaking obscura world that was mentioned in a discord message instead of in the… freaking.. game
So much world—universe building
Its actually crazy
Drek'ar being a war veteran for what we can assume to be an incredibly well developed far reaching empire in space is insane. Imagine all the places he's been to and all the things he's seen.
He's like if Star Wars had a rogue storm trooper, and they actually chose to develop their character in a meaningful way.
Right???
So much potential
All of maelstrom
Obscura, SLE, and Atlas’s time travelling science and a family lost in space
Guys
Fellas
The world has so much cool unexplored stuff
And I need it to be explored and touched upon to any capacity

one day
High on my list of "ideas I want to get to eventually™️" Is a quick mock-up that is basically summarized as "Drek'ar tells war stories to Zentaro".
But no—lets go to the beach and mischaracterize our characters
OH
That
Would be so cool.
Is there a writing equivalent… to art collabs
Because I desperately need to see every single one of your ideas come into existence
Because Zentaro is a young fighter. So you've got the whole premise of someone who's learning to fight and is inspired by the bravery of war heroes.
And he can then share his own history to drek’ar… and maybe drek’ar could tell him about the brave warriors he encountered in space that remind him of zentaros own people..
So Drek'ar wants to encourage Zentaro while also giving perspective that war isn't quite the glorious thing it's cracked up to be though the act of soldiering is honorable in its own right.
And they could bond over being isolated..
Oohhhh
Exactly…

That’s what im saying..
Do they even have shared dialogue with each other??
"Don't bring a gun to a sword fight Drek'ar."
Zentaro has the most interactions with other characters out of the whole roster if memory serves. So he's actually got one here.
the 2nd one though
We must remedy this immediately
I love that it follows my exact train of thought.
yeah
One of the big things on writing Drek that I want to get right when I eventually dive deeper into it is his perspective on war.
The game says he admires human's willingness to live in a society built upon peace with passtimes like sport, but I think it's important that he still sees honor in being a soldier. It's very easy to take that beat and run to the extreme of "Drek'ar hates war and disgusted by it."
Which he definitely can become disillusioned to it, that's only natural when you grew up trained to fight your whole life.

But it's also his home, and he no doubt had friends and people he respected back in his old unit.
Fighting is still honorable, but his previous home's motivation of conquest and dominion for its own sake is likely to lose some of its luster in time.
Honestly Drek’ar crash landing into their world probably gave him some time to reflect on it
And its that mindset he develops with maelstrom that he can depart such a rich opinion to zentaro about it
Unlike the other members of his planet who im sure are still fighting, he’s been given a reprieve into a peaceful world where such war simply, doesn’t exist
It’s from having both perspectives that he can respect and also criticize his previous homes obsessions with conquest while still taking pride it in.
Ugh it’s not fair..
I need more lore
Immediately
I'm now up to I think 8 or so different fic ideas. I wonder which one I'll actually manage to start, let alone finish.
Though I suppose my end notes on my most recent work made the choice of which one I should try starting next.
We'll see if it actually gets done.
!?!!?!?
SCROLLING BACK IMMEDAITELY
ASHER FOCUSED FIC

And if I paid you tens of millions of dabloons—
The Pro League's poor structural integrity in how it functions left me with no shortage of questions on how SSR as a team even exists.
Right?!?!?!
A professional sport and you have a lady and two teens at best
That arent even her own kids
Or family
Literally,,, how did they get in..

Suffice to say I tried to figure out a story that gave an out to SSR's existence while also explaining away some aspects about Asher's entry into the Corestrike scene specifically. All that's left is to actually execute writing it well.
My problem with SSR is that—and maybe it’s because I really dont care about this team and dont remember their lore—but I have zero idea what their motivation is even for joining.
I believe!
wasn't it because asher is in debt and has to pay it off via prize money
Luna wants to test out her inventions (big powerful rockets so she can fly out and find her "missing" probably deceased parents), Juno is just hanging with Luna and wants to explore more of the world, Asher took the two under her wing and is trying to win so she can earn money to pay back some fines she owes for running an illegal Corestrike gambling ring. (She didn't know it was illegal)
If thats the case then why would she not try to be with a more established team..
Like if she wants to win
Oh you're already being more charitable than I was.
Why is she playing Corestrike to pay back a fine for breaking the law?
How is she not on community service hours or something?

That
That’s a really good point
Why is she playing core strike to pay a fine??
Wouldn’t she be banned from doing that??
How do they even punish people for breaking the law
Heck, you bring up a really good point

Yea, suffice to say this is one of the stories the game did a horrible job selling to me. Which is why I'm writing about it to hopefully tie up some loose ends.
I can't promise a fully satisfactory conclusion because it is quite the contrivance, but I've got some theories.
Oh definitely, it’s also one of the reasons why her summary in comparaison to everyone else feels flat.
I hope that no matter how it goes, you have fun writing it every step of the way!

This game seriously needs to do some more world building

And thats why our GOAT Mr. Pig is here!
Don’t think I’ve forgotten your amazing thunderstruck one shot
You know how to write

i wuv writing
I think the fact that he's even willing to act that way is important
I can't recall any openly positive voice lines he has towards anyone, and when you're going "I'm the best always and forever xoxo" even going "yea they're pretty cool" means something etc etc
That or he's tsun and can't stand to say smth so openly adoring without trying to act coy to cover it up
Because he doesn't have the bandages around his waist so that's why it appears he has more 
oH
Alternatively you can look at XKO for ab help
gonna redo the coloring so this is what I have so far
INUYASHA
HIGJKGKJHGVBKHFVKVGKGUVKU
KHGVKVLJVKGK
TAKE MY WALLET /JJJJ

OMG HIM
YESSS OMG I LOVE INUYASHA
🤝
Bro we need to chat about this anime fr
we need to
Throughout the whole anime I’m just semi pissed about how bad Kagome treats him
I get ya
And then everyone for some reason just decides to agree that Inuyasha is in the wrong EVEN THO HE ISNT
but she was in an entirely different era
She’s so entitled
Kagome:
Gets kidnapped by Koga
Was trying to escape the whole time
Inuyasha risks his life to safe her, was the actual one who defeated the monster, and ended up injuried
Kagome defends Koga (who btw put her life in direct danger multiple times) against inuyasha and made him sit just so Koga could get away
Like what is the thought process behind that 
Then she had an argument with him because he thought she liked Koga— BRO IF YOU DEFEND A DEMON THAT NEARLY GOT YOU KILLED LIKE THAT OFC BROS GONNA THINK YOU LIKE HIM 
I see
It’s so unreasonable
I wanted to punch kagome- inuyasha deserved better
Also bro needs to dump Kikiyo
I hate her entire character
how so?
Half the things she does is so unnecessary
yes but also an intention
I thought she was a cool character until she got taken back to life
No but like there feels like there isn’t any logic behind what she’s doing other then spite
And she takes that spite out a lot on inuyasha 
I mean kagome is her reincarnation
besides Naraku also played a part in why she acted in certain ways
@wise jackal have you seen Yashahime though?
I’m like halfway through season 2
I will not spoil
I think literally the most logical character in the entire gang is kirara im not even kidding
Bros actually a W teammate that’s not an idiot in any way at all
Kirara is the best yes
I appreciate Naraku for being a smart villain
Like bro actually take precautions to be safe
Unlike a lot of other villains
Who get themselves killed
true
bro my OS brainrot dumb ass thought that was ai.mi 😭
X!!!!!!
Inuyasha!

we live and learn
I actually really like that though. X’s hair seems to always change whenever you look at it from a different angle
So his hairs always a pain to draw
But the way it swoops on the side here looks super nice!
You did a good job!!


LMAO
YAYAAAA 
holy moly
He's just an awkward fellow...
Love these sketches, keep up the good work fishy!
THANK YOU!!
His voice lines when he's transformed is always so fire
Np 
i just read the manga idrk the delivery of those lines yet but they always go hard in there, too
Fishy if you see this, teach me your ways of how you go about sketching out your art, it looks so cool and intriguing
Sure I can find a time to teach you!! :D

Gonna repost these
I really need to start using refs more than rely on my imagination
tru
Why is it that I was able to draw these without refs but when I try to draw one with a ref I just end up in a cycle of just erasing and redoing the same step over and over again
Because you have a direct comparison to whatever you're trying to make, which makes you instinctively want to make the art as close as possible to the ref to get it perfect. That is innately why you're using the ref, anyways, at least to your brain. To know what to copy and what not to copy.
(might be yapping nonsense tbh, but that's how i see it)
Yoooo!!!
15 min sketch at school WIOOOOOOOO
kaiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii

Oh I love that
LET'S GOOO KAIRO! omg I thought it was zhi peng for a second
😭😭😭
i wouldn't post zhi peng in the kai chat
I didn't even realize this is kai chat lmao
That was my brain's immediate thought
!!! it looks great :D
LMOA
It is
WHATSWRONG WITH TOUCHPAD 😭
Honestly find out you do that is insane

Do you draw on ibis paint using a trackpad?
Since I know you animate too
Ibis on phone and finger, mspaint on trackpad
I see
-I havnt painted in mspaint in a loonggg time I should do that again someday
👀
oh my days. man with long hair 
FR WE LOVE MEN WITH LONG HAIR
i know this is kai but my asher senses are tingling...
extremely rare dylan surplus sighting in kai chat
just go up the res
I lurk
feel that
Kai doodle next to some other stuff

is he drunk
Perhaps

It doesn't have to be perfect, after all I'm still learning bit by bit
i’m loving the painterly vibe of this…. so cute 
Brawler art!!!

good lord that is a meaty kai 
licks lips rubs hands together like a fly
😈

This is literally @zealous crystal
-# haha hey check this out
-# what da fish
-# I asked for no pickles but I dont think they heard me
WAHT
ILL LET THEM KNOW
-# oh no its ok you dont have t—
THEY ASKED FOR NO PICKLES
I ate them
-# huh why would you do that what if someone wanted pickles
-# but they were still thinking about it how could you take the freedom of choice away from them
Oh hey I actually rewatched the final episodes of GP a few weeks ago
Still love this scene
It’s a good one
i still think this looks like kai

See here’s the thing zelf, you’re starting to put it together

🫰 Kaib
@torpid cloak @wooden beacon @naive hedge @waxen cloak @wise jackal Kai by cyalco
Love the rendering and shading
🫶 Ty Brawler ^^!!!
np!
CYALCO ART ALWAYS SLAPS
@shut wyvern I'm a big fan <3
🫶
!!!! big fan of pinkfishy
you big into cyalco art?
don’t even joke lad.
/ref /silly
-# He looks like he’s in a magazine!! So cool!!
He always looks like he's in a magazine wdym
Okay I see sniff #) no Rassy ping
/SILLY
Ain’t tryna lose this channel 
real
No worries, as long as even one person loves Kai, the Kai enjoyers channel never dies !
Luca from dragalia spotted
oh my god i forgot about dragalia
It contains Kai so it goes here too I guess. This is the third thread I'm posting this in so I'll spare y'all the ramble. Kai and Era Christmas time fic! Read it if that's your thing, or don't I can't control your life nor do I desire to. 
https://archiveofourown.org/works/61237501/chapters/156704680
An Archive of Our Own, a project of the
Organization for Transformative Works
@torpid cloak more stories by MrPig

👀

Merry Christmas!
Merry Christmas y’all!
Happy new year :>
yesterday's attempt vs today's attempt
fire?

@naive hedge do you have a reference sheet similar to the butler Kai ref for Kai’s underworld skin?
It’s been a while but here’s a recent Kai! 
@craggy leaf Nevermind he’s too excited (omg fireblight)
The silly trend from twitter
UWAHGJ.>!>?!?!? ouguh...

THANK YOU CLAIRENIME 

WAAAA
@warm garden rune
Kai obscura au commission to fireblight pipeline you love to see it
all according to keikaku
...
Ive been had!
@wooden beacon Kai by Claire
Oo fireblight ftw
Autism be damned my boy can BEND
The autism only makes him more flexible

True !
I'm sure he is flexier than the avg joe but I wonder if he's figure skater levels of flexy

he’s gonna slice his hand open 😭😭 (so pretty btw avg claire w)
nah nah he got the cut-proof gloves on 
now draw kai and his student /j ||(I know you have seen medalist)||
….
-# how do you know that I was deeply obsessed with the medalist anime when making this
I can tell, that and you talked about it before
I actually used a reference for this and you’re surprisingly supposed to hold the blade—I was shocked too! 
He’s actually doing a biellmann spin!
Now based on the au (since this was actually an obscura Kai commission with a redesign) I don’t know if he would have a student. He’s definitely more of a jun yodaka in my eyes.. but if I had to give him a student… maybe ai.mi..?
Oh my
Kai content (+ X!)
Kai enjoyers how we holding up?
Starvin 

omega strikers 2 will come, dont worry


Kai enjoyers where is your flame
Where is your passion
RISE
RISE
RISE
This can’t be my people
So deflated..
So woopy
Like Estelle

You need to lock in
Your flame will never die!

Maintain it!
Persist!
Endure!
You are strong and you ARE Kaination

None of this loser talk

Now that’s what I like to see
I mean most of us have either moved on or are drawing different things
-# well yeah, I’d know I’m one of those people
But even apart we should still remain happy
Even if we don’t have the same interest anymore

Cough cough and if they need a server to migrate to the Kitchen is totally availab—💥💥💥
I mean
I’d never

I follow the rules

You did forget 1 Kai artist to invite
False
@/jaybreebean
Oh snap

Well to be fair.. a lot of the other Kai artist were leaving even when the games server was more active
I miss them..

Even if it was just chatting

I had a lot of fun
We all did
Though, I am having a lot of fun doing my own thing as well, I hope wherever they are they are happy
-# and uh, they should call me 🤙
Also what you doing? Drawing?
Yeah! I was making more progress on my animated thing I shared before
Started over with the tweening and I’m liking how it’s turning out!

Thinking of drawing a background or at least more things to fill up space though
JAY I MISS YOUUUUUUUUU
I’m learning a lot of things I should avoid for next time
I see
I was in the middle of drawing a ref for anatomy purposes but I didn’t save it because in the comments it said that it might’ve been ai
Oh if you want I can send you good websites for pose refs that aren’t ai
I sent a pretty good resource last time that should work for that
And I could also ask some people I know in the industry what they use

They have so many good resources I’d be happy to share

Feel free to do so


I've seen this before. I stayed with @zealous crystal in Denver.
holy shit









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