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quiet tiger
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arent your salads playable in it though

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since they're an anime deck

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faint wraith
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The exodia deck is the best loaner. Meanwhile Lyrilusc is an anime deck so I've just been sticking to my strengths. JunoHappy

safe magnet
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Stallio was also not there I think

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And Princess is banned

quiet tiger
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what about... gimmick puppet

safe magnet
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Fire Kings are gone too

quiet tiger
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faint wraith
safe magnet
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Exodia is the best deck for the event

quiet tiger
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millennium?

safe magnet
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Ye

faint wraith
safe magnet
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The FTK is also fully legal for some reason

safe magnet
faint wraith
safe magnet
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Oh yeah, Cyberse is also just left nearly untouched

faint wraith
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From arc v

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faint wraith
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Even one of our typical endboard pieces of UDF is only limited

safe magnet
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We have Gazelle at 1 and some other hits, shit hits hard

faint wraith
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And without handtraps I can easily make a monster negate + a 3-5 special summon bounce thay can't be targeted + follow up

faint wraith
safe magnet
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They are strong, but without Princess it's a meh

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Code of Soul is also gone too I think

faint wraith
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I'll be honest I think they just forgot about Lyrilusc

safe magnet
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Likely

faint wraith
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Melodious is unhit I think though

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Actually no ostinato and first movement are limited

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It's kinda crazy how some of Lyrilusc's best cards are the ones that just don't get used in the anime (recital starling, ensemblue robin, celestine wagtail, and beryl canary never show up)

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Oh and Promade Thrush but I tend to forget she exists honestly-

safe magnet
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I mean, Soulburner didn't have Balelynx which is honestly crazy to imagine

faint wraith
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The link 1 that searches the field spell?

safe magnet
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Ye

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The best Link 1

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El gato

faint wraith
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Ah. I forgot if there are any handtraps in particular that impact salads (aside from the obvious shifter). Lyrilusc definitely has a couple standouts though.

safe magnet
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Imperm is in the game mode for some reason

faint wraith
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Yeah someone impermed my warbler and I freaked out for a sec, but luckily I had bird call and cobalt in my hand so I just kept playing like nothing happened.

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Thankfully, droll is banned as Lyrilusc just has to end their turn or if they can just do nightningale pass to stall for a turn.

faint wraith
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Exodia players activating exodia's effect when I swing at them with recital starling never gets old

faint wraith
raven fable
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whats your definition of maining FiniiOgey

faint wraith
raven fable
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i have quite a few of those

faint wraith
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Do any of them work in the event?

raven fable
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i dont think so, havent touched md in a bit thinkfish

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was mellfy in anime?

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i am pretty sure ojama was at one point

faint wraith
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If it's a deck that appeared in the anime it's viable for the event (though certain decks do get hits)

faint wraith
faint wraith
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But even decks who's screentime was very limited (such as Lyrilusc that had two duels and one of them only had lyrilusc for like two turns before swapping over to fusion parasite stuff) are valid

raven fable
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hungry burge sure wasnt

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i doubt yonsenju and nemlaria was in anime

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but yosenju could be one

faint wraith
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Sylvio used it in arc v for a couple duels

raven fable
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nice

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should try pure yosenju

faint wraith
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Arc V had a LOT of absolutely banger decks that were used. But people forget about them because Exodia is the first thing they see and a lot of people didn't actually watch the show

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Melodious, Fluffals, Speedroids, Phantom Knights, Predaplants, Lyrilusc, Flower Cardians, Yosenjus, Abyss Actors, the list goes on and on

raven fable
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theres lot of niche decks that either seen or never seen the light of being even rogue

faint wraith
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Superheavy Samurai and Ancient Gear are in arc v too

raven fable
faint wraith
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I don't think it originated in arc v but gladiator beasts had a duel in arc v as well

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Sylvio used monarchs for a single duel as well (Sylvio went through a few decks)

raven fable
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theres lot of cool decks i wanna try but id have to spend UR flurshed

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like abyss actors

faint wraith
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Lyrilusc is very cheap. For the archetype itself there's only 2 ur cards, with one of them being a 2-3 of and the other being a 1-2 of. Then there's the honorary mention of UDF but other than that all other urs are tech cards (like Linkuriboh and Zeus)

raven fable
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also world chalice looks like good play

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but its a old deck

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so any good decklist within 3 years is hard

faint wraith
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Cobalt Sparrow: Searches any lvl 1 winged beast on special summon and if used as material the wind xyz monster that uses it gains protection from targetting (even if cobalt is detached). This card is N rarity.

Saphire Swallow can summon itself and another lvl 1 winged beast from the hand if you control any winged beast, helping to trigger the other bird's effects. If you use it as xyz material, you can attach an extra lyrilusc monster from your gy to the monster you summoned. This card is N rarity.

Turquoise Warbler can summon itself if you control no monsters, and if it's special summoned from the hand in any way you can ss a lyrilusc monster from your hand OR gy. This card is N rarity.

Beryl Canary can target a lyrilusc monster in your gy and summon itself and that monster. If used as material, the monster gains 200 attack and control can't switch (making it immune to stuff like talents and change of heart). This card is R rarity.

Celestine Wagtail searches any lyrilusc spell when special summoned, and if it's in your gy you can target a lyrilusc xyz monster to attach it to that monster as material. This card is SR rarity.

Lyrilusc - Bird Call searches or send to the gy any lyrilusc monster from your deck and then allows you to special summon a lyrilusc monster from your hand with a different name than the added or sent monster. This card is SR rarity.

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Those are the main deck cards that are used in every lyrilusc deck. There are a couple spells and a trap but they're almost never used. Now for the extra deck monsters

raven fable
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birb

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you dont have to do this

faint wraith
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Recital Starling is probably the star of the deck. It takes 2+ level ones to make (not just lyrilusc or winged beast monsters, just level 1s), and it can detach a material to search any level 1 winged beast monster and is a soft opt. Meaning you can summon multiple to use it's effect a bunch. And it's search allows you to search D.D. crow so that's pretty neat.

Assembled Nightningale is either an otk tool or a zeus pilot. Like recital, it just needs 2+ level 1s to make. It gains 200 attack for each material it has, and can attack a number of times per battle phase up to the number of mats it has. Also, it can just attack directly. Another fun little effect it has is to detach a material at quick effect speed and make it so for the turn, lyrilusc monsters you control can't be destroyed and you take no battle damage. That's right, no battle damage in general. You are guaranteed to live a turn if you resolve this. This card is sr rarity.

faint wraith
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You must know the power of the birds

raven fable
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i respect it

faint wraith
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Promade Thrush is probably the weakest of the extra deck monsters, but it's by no means bad. It has a soft opt effect to detach a material to target and shuffle a backrow into the deck. It's second effect is that during the damage step, when another monster you control battles, you can detach any number of mats and the monster battling gains 300 attack per mat. This works best with assembled nightningale as that leads to an exponential amount of extra damage. This card is sr rarity.

I also forgot to note in recital's paragraph that both you and your opponent take damage from battles involving it. But if you use Assembled's effect, only your opponent takes damage. This makes recital otks incredibly consistent.

Finally, Ensemblue Robin. Your go-to interaction for a going first endboard. She gains 500 attack for each material she has, and whenever your opponent special summons a monster, you can detach a mat to target one of them and bounce it to the hand. This is NOT once per turn, and if you have cobalt sparrow and beryl canary as mats for her, she becomes untargetable and can't be stolen with like talents. And if she leaves the field from an opponent's card, you get to add a lyrilusc monster from your gy to your hand. You want to stack as many mats on her as possible to essentially forbid your opponent from special summoning. This card is UR rarity.

Honorable mention to Utopic Draco Future! The normal combo line usually has us make two recital starlings that don't have anything to do, so you overlay them into utopic future, and then that into draco future for a monster negate!

The typical Lyrilusc end board through maybe a couple hand traps is UDF plus a 3-5 mat robin (for 3-5 special summon bounces) plus follow up searched from recital starling.

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Or if you already had stuff for follow up you can be silly and search d.d. crow

raven fable
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okay thats cool SayaHeh

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what does it loose to?

faint wraith
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Droll and lock bird AimiCry

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And shifter.

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And nibiru depending on if we've used beryl canary or not

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I hate that stupid rock

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Anyway for droll and shifter you just gotta hope you have the mats for assembled nightningale pass so that you stall for a turn

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The deck is pretty good at playing through disruption so as long as they don't make like an insane board you're good to otk them next turn

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Going second variants play like lava golem and kaijus to help with the otks.

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Cause the deck doesn't need the ns

raven fable
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cool

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oh yeah was both live twin and unchained in anime?

faint wraith
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Live twin was not but I don't know about unchained

raven fable
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damn

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yknow SPYRAL is legal

faint wraith
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It is?

raven fable
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yes

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the whole archetype just legal

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not a card limited or semi limited

faint wraith
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Who the heck played Spyral in the anime-

grizzled coral
raven fable
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THEY WAIFUD ROTA?

faint wraith
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Yep. Sky striker rota

grand cave
raven fable
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it has been 10 minutes

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thats like 600 seconds

faint wraith
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When the exodia player attacks recital starling with 10k attack and he explodes

raven fable
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cant wait for argostarts to hit md

faint wraith
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Who?

cold grotto
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the useless archetype that got released in suda

quiet tiger
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@safe magnet

raven fable
# faint wraith Who?

its a bad archetype BUT the whole thing of this archetype its cards is named after japanese WW2 fighter aircraft

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they waifud figther aircraft

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we know theyre getting another support

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dont remember in which pack though

grizzled coral
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ALIN prob

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faint wraith
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Watching swap frog go from 1 to 3:

raven fable
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why was swap frog limited again?Sheew

faint wraith
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Spright stuff I think with Toadally Awesome

north robin
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Im happy Swap is back.
He’ll be a great asset for my Ice Barriers

faint wraith
grizzled coral
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striker yippeee

faint wraith
grizzled coral
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ye its fun

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i love striker and always been a fan of going 2nd decks

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but then tenpai comes out and i never wnat to play one again

faint wraith
# grizzled coral i love striker and always been a fan of going 2nd decks

It's much more fun than the wombo combo go first make a giant board of negates cause you're not just doing the same combo over and over with slight variations depending on getting handtrapped.

Tenpai was originally boring for me cause it was the same thing over and over but adding striker makes it much more fun cause you feel like you earned the otk

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Striker tenpai isn't "easy wins" cause unless you open a bunch of blowout cards plus chundra or something you have to think about how to use your disruptions (like in the video my plan was to have Kagari eat the baronne negate, then chain the spell to make her unaffected. It's just that imperm kinda fucked that play over.)

cold grotto
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"Earned the otk"

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Me when I spam a bunch of worthless cards to bait out interactions then normal summon paidra

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Wow you really just played insane

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You might be the best player in the world I think

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You played really well to out the board with... 1 negate

faint wraith
safe magnet
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The actual going second deck that requires skill

cold grotto
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Its the same shit as tenpai

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At least statue is coming next set

grizzled coral
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I would say ancient gears is less skillful

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Tenpai atleast requires knowledge of the battle phase and damage step

faint wraith
safe magnet
# cold grotto Its the same shit as tenpai

It sadly doesn't run 20 non engine while being able to splash Fiendsmith and Bystials in itself while also having the advantage of being a dragon and having an extra deck board wipe. Tenpai also just takes way less skill because a single searchable card makes them completely immune to everything. You actually have to think about how you'd want to approach an already established board and not just spam 3 Dark Holes paired with other handtraps. Not to mention that it has way more bricks too while also not being able to produce as much damage as Tenpai. Playing Ancient Gear requires way more knowledge about what the opponent's playing and also it requires you to think about how you'd want to trade cards in order to remove any interruptions. Fortress is a great card, but it doesn't always win you the game. Nibiru is an issue, Shifter could be problematic and also many times you're forced to approach the game only with engine. Tenpai throws 4 handtraps at you and normal summons Paidra

safe magnet
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Ancient Gear also has a worse Turn 1 board compared to Tenpai too so that's another disadvantage

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Can't run stuff like Raigeki and Dark Hole cuz it requires the opponent to have monsters for a ton of their effects

faint wraith
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I have a replay against white forest that does a better job of forcing out and playing through disruption.

safe magnet
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Saying that Ancient Gear is the same as Tenpai or doesn't require more skill than it is simply incorrect

safe magnet
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And that's entirely because Ancient Gear, Striker and Watt (if you wanna count that) are simply way more restrictive than Tenpai

faint wraith
safe magnet
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And way less consistent

faint wraith
# faint wraith

I was toggled off so the opponent didn't know I had ghost belle. And they probably didn't use called by on it cause they thought they had enough disruption.

safe magnet
faint wraith
safe magnet
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I wonder why

faint wraith
safe magnet
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True

faint wraith
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Here's my list. Only a couple handtraps and very few blowout cards.

safe magnet
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Smashing Ground?

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MST?!

faint wraith
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Budget :3

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Can't afford goblin

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So I'm using more one for one board breakers

safe magnet
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I see

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You should try Dark Hole

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It's an SR

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Good Three of to have

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Or Cosmic Cyclone, also an SR

faint wraith
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Maybe cosmic cyclone.

I don't want to use a ton of big blowout cards. As you said, spamming 3 dark holes isn't fun.

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Part of what I do with mst is without upstart it can be a bit harder to get spells in the grave if the opp has no backrow, so I use a spell of mine and then chain mst to pop my own spell

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Then both mst and my spell are in the gy

raven fable
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i got reminded that the crooked cook beats tenpai

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only if i knew when it was at its peak

grizzled coral
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if beating it means living 1 turn u may aswell play waboku

raven fable
grizzled coral
cold grotto
safe magnet
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If you're so confident that it's so easy why don't you try playing it and seeing for yourself

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Considering how uninformed you are you're quite ignorant

grizzled coral
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idk

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like its still just tenpai

safe magnet
# grizzled coral like its still just tenpai

.... How is it Tenpai??? The only things the two decks have in common is that they're OTK decks and multiple attacks?? Literally nothing else about the deck is remotely close to Tenpai

grizzled coral
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pure striker is hard sure

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but not striker tenpai

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striker tenpai is just interaction bait into tenpai otk

safe magnet
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Oh are you talking about Striker Tenpai.. yeah it's like Tenpai

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I thought that you were talking about Ancient Gear

grizzled coral
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oh im dumb

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i still think ancient gear is easy tho

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just because a deck is bad

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doesnt mean its hard

safe magnet
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It's not as easy as Tenpai for sure, also a single wrong action and you can't OTK, you have multiple lines and are still susceptible to non targeting removal, you actually have to think when going into a board. Its engine also isn't that bad, but like, Fortress doesn't win you the game

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Unlike Tenpai you still die to: Nibiru, Droll, stuff like Mirrorjade, Superpoly, Spheres. You can't really interrupt the opponent much on their turn so you gotta wait for them to build their board, then you have to crack it to even start playing

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The restrictions of the deck also make you think about sequencing and resource management

grizzled coral
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dying to more stuff doesnt make a deck hard

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^^

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the knowledge required to play tenpai at a high level is much more than ancient gear imo

safe magnet
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... It does when the whole idea of the deck is to go through those stuff..

safe magnet
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Against Tenpai you simply can't interact with them in any way in Main or in the Battle Phase, you can still interact with Ancient Gear, Fortress isn't the end of the game

grizzled coral
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^^

safe magnet
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... True, but also compare Tenpai to Ancient Gear in terms of their combo:

- Tenpai: Always does the same and every card in their engine but a one of leads to the same. They barely have to think about anything as they're protected from nearly everything, have removal options, barely restrict themselves in any way shape or form and have enough space to run 20 non engine with Fiendsmith and Bystials

- Ancient Gear: You have multiple lines of both one card and two card combos that all lead to different end board all of which require you to think and play around interruptions having to consider how many cards your opponent has in hand and other factors, runs only a few breakers due to its lack of non engine space and has more restrictions

The difficulty of a deck is not only determined by the length and difficulty of their combos (which if I were to ask you you wouldn't manage to do after reading the Ancient Gear cards for the first time like you'd be able to with Tenpai), but from the format, their ability to set up something going first and how well they can play in different things + the things they have to account for

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Explain to me how Tenpai: a deck literally made for people getting into Yu-Gi-Oh as a budget meta option, would be harder than a 10+ year old deck that has gotten several waves of support with a combo 3 times as long as that of Tenpai that has more restrictions and more weaknesses

grizzled coral
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Combo length doesn't mean anything when it comes to difficulty, tenpai is a toolbox deck with hundreds of different lines, the idea that it always does the same otk is kinda just stupid shrug also it doesnt see the field spell in like 90% of games so the idea that its uninteractable isnt really true. A deck being meta relevant means more options are explored and strategies. A deck being old and having 3 waves of support doesnt make it hard. If that were true blue eyes and DM would be the "hardest" decks in the game.

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Having non engine slots doesnt make a deck "easy", using ur non engine properly and sequencing is what modern yugioh is about

safe magnet
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First of all, with the field spell at 1 you still have 8 copies of it in the deck considering that it'd be what you search off of Paidra. Second of all, no, the deck isn't hard, using the generic engines this game has to offer is not hard. Third of all, yes it does the same every time. When have you not been OTKed by Tenpai making a Trident Dragion and attacking you three times for over 18K damage. Fourth of all combo lengths does play a part in the difficulty of a deck because you have to remember more things, sequence better and also you've got more choke points and ways to fuck up. Fifth of all, not having access to non engine makes the deck weaker, using a weaker deck against a better deck puts you at a disadvantage, winning with that deck becomes harder = the deck's difficulty rises. Sixth of all, I can tell you a few different lines of Tenpai, sure it has lines, normal Chundra, normal Paidra, normal Genroku, activate Summoning, activate Kaimen, those are its lines, which is not difficult to do. Seventh of all, no, the meta is not being explored at all, there is no exploration, there is a definitive way to play the current meta deck in the most optimal way and that is what people play, if anything exploration is only driven by people wanting more budget options of meta decks.

grizzled coral
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like i just dont think u know much about the deck if u think trident dragion is getting summoned on the regular

safe magnet
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... I literally have played the deck..

grizzled coral
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ok 😭

safe magnet
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How do you not manage to summon Trident..

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Like it's so easy to get to?

grizzled coral
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its not about not being able to

safe magnet
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Well I mean I guess that what you said is true with all the surrenders the moment you start killing them, but yeah

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You never get to go to the point where you'd summon it

cold grotto
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Its a single linear combo

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You legit either get your fusion with three attacks off and win

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Or you lose

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Its just walmart tenpai

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Youre allowed to enjoy the deck

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But thats what the deck is

faint wraith
safe magnet
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Chaos Giant is your go to

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You've literally played the deck wrong, especially considering that you've played it for some event with limited hand traps too and limited decks

cold grotto
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It was the same deck with more bricks and less non engine

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Into less meta decks

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And shit still struggled

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I think the deck is kinda fun but its objectively just a worse tenpai lool

faint wraith
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Yo dragonmaids in duel links is pretty fun AsherPog

raven fable
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i dont think ancient gear is D/D/D

safe magnet
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raven fable
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you are making it sound like its D/D/D though

safe magnet
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I'm just saying that it's not as easy as they say it is

raven fable
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every deck is easy lol

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it just comes down to the deck knowledge

safe magnet
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I mean yeah every deck gets easy when you learn it

grizzled coral
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in md

safe magnet
# grizzled coral in md

Uhh. Yeah, it kinda is I'd say, probably a bit cheaper than Tenpai, but still has a buncha URs

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Mostly the Extra Deck guys are expensive

safe magnet
# grizzled coral in md

Just checked how much exactly it is: 9 In engine URs and you need to craft breakers that are also URs

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3 Statue 2 Dark Golem 2 Chaos Giant 1 Megaton 1 Ultimate are your URs

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Then you've got 2 Storm 1 Harpie's 3 Droplet 2 Maxx C Charmies and the Tactics Cards as your other URs with rations that you can play around with

raven fable
safe magnet
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Once you learn it, but due to the time it takes to learn it compared to Tenpai it is harder

faint wraith
plush star
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It's actually rather nice when Rush events are active in Duel Links. It means I have no qualms about not playing and taking a break from it.

faint wraith
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Rush right now is just the gaia structure. Meanwhile speed has more diversity, but a lot of it are glue eaters (heroes)

plush star
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At least in speed you can still safely play pet/rogue decks, and see success. I refuse to even touch Heroes.

raven fable
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heroes is the type of the deck that will NEVER die, and so is blue eyes

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they will always get support

faint wraith
faint wraith
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Random thought about circular. Part of what makes it's first effect so good is that the targets it has can summon themselves from the gy. If they couldn't then circular wouldn't be a one card combo, and while it's still busted as it's a free special summon and also searches a spell, it wouldn't be as good without the targets it has.

safe magnet
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I love this silly statue

faint wraith
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Fliodgate spotted. Future opinions invalidated.

safe magnet
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Damn

faint wraith
faint wraith
safe magnet
north robin
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Nice

faint wraith
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Farfa sacrificed Beatrice to get Block Dragon back FiniiOgey

faint wraith
faint wraith
faint wraith
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There's a vaalmonica player in here, right?

grizzled coral
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yeah

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me

faint wraith
grizzled coral
faint wraith
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What does the Sharvara/yama package do? I've seen it in decklists but I can't quite see what it brings to the table.

grizzled coral
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  • because zebufera isnt a hard once per turn u can trigger her twice
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by popping and reviving

faint wraith
grizzled coral
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  • u can either draw with dugares or have bagooska in grave to revive on opponents turn which plays around imperm gooska
faint wraith
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I like calling it Baboska

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Also the low rank climb with Vaalmonica really has shown me that most low ranked players have never seen a tapir in their life

grizzled coral
# faint wraith First, how? Second, on your second point are you using Yama as material for Zeb...

so on the standard combo u have angello + selle + dimonno
normally u would either link into zeb + make SP to play around nib or just zeb + bagooska and pray they dont nib u.

With unchained u can make dugares and draw 2 or bagooska for grave setup (make the rank 4 with selle + angello) then dimonno + fiend rank 4 goes into yama search sharvara. yama link to zebufera. if they nib u on attempt to go end phase u sharvara pop zeb and then new chain revive zeb. if they nib u before u make zeb u can just go link spider -> make zeb. gives the deck some more layered interaction and plays around topdeck imperm zeb/gooska and nib

faint wraith
grizzled coral
faint wraith
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Thank you for the tips. I will try to get the unchained package

grizzled coral
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(idk if its still played post fiendsmith)

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but i think its the best way to play pure

faint wraith
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I saw people running both. And while you probably know this fiendsmith is extra good in vaalmonica becayse Demono is a light fiend, but an issue is that since Demono goes to the ed instead of the gy the best you can do with just demono is caeser which is still pretty good. We have Necroquip in md now so Demono or Lurie is a 1 card caeser (not quite enough for desirae or Apo but Caeser is still good)

grizzled coral
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  • exciton light fiend
faint wraith
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New my body is a machine meme

grizzled coral
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my body is a machine that turns light fiend into nibiru the primal being

faint wraith
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My body is a machine that turns two monsters into a token

faint wraith
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Peak turn one Vaalsmith end board SoniiPepega

grizzled coral
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🔥

faint wraith
grand cave
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Floo>snake eye fiendsmith tho

faint wraith
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True. I can play into a Floo board (thank you bagooska) but I can't play into SEFS

faint wraith
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Quote from an experienced Vaalmonica player in the md discord

"Angelo is trash, Dimonno is Caeser."

faint wraith
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After an extremely close game against Kashtira (I was on 300 lp), I've managed to bring Vaalmonica from rookie to Diamond in 3 days.

faint wraith
cold grotto
faint wraith
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Sera :D

grizzled coral
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Sera :D

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need to get qcrs

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gz on the fuwas

safe magnet
cold grotto
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Yeah the qcrs + fuwas made back well over the cost of the box

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Depending on how much they drop

raven fable
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i need this, right now

faint wraith
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I need it for Lyrilusc as level 1 support

safe magnet
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They look really fun when paired with Mimighoul

faint wraith
quiet tiger
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Wait how did you have 2 normal summons guh

safe magnet
plush star
quiet tiger
faint wraith
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And I played into Havnis for aura (I forgor) JunoPOP

faint wraith
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No handtraps? Be afraid FiniiOgey

faint wraith
stable lodge
faint wraith
faint wraith
safe magnet
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So true

faint wraith
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Also I've been playing punk.

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Paying lp makes me feel alive

raven fable
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lp is useless if you dont get hit

faint wraith
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True! And it lets you hit them really hard with PEP

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Also I've been playing duel links with Invoked Shaddoll and the deck feels really fun

faint wraith
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I heckin love floodgate (Winda, and then maaaaybr Caligula but I don't like summoning it because only being able to attack once annoys me)

faint wraith
grizzled coral
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dead chat sadcat