#Dark and Darker
sour belfry
manic verge
new quests came out right
gloomy summit
Its insane how clueless some of the players are
gloomy summit
@junior hare how did you come to get your gold chests btw
Just a lot of GC farming?
junior hare
yeah lots of gc farming and also I play the market a lot while I'm twitch modding
gc is like 1k - 6k for each extract
gloomy summit
Either I'm doing something wrong or just investing much gold into equipment, cause those two chests are worth more than my entire stash I imagine
junior hare
my process this patch was to buy wolf pelts when they went low and then just farm gc cause it's fun for me
I also trade my bags for gks, which made it easier to trade for sks
gloomy summit
oh are they 1 to 1?
junior hare
they were for a long time
prices for gks are insane rn
i actually sold off all my gks cause I expect it to go back down
sold like 6 for ~7500 each
i'm trying to flip chests now too: sold a full one last night for 3 sks and rebought one today for 2sks + 3 full bags
gloomy summit
damn
junior hare
i've been doing gc less and learning to solo crypts instead
still haven't been able to do warlord
i've also never found a skull key in the throne room 
gloomy summit
I've tried looking up a warlord guide on how to dodge his attacks but I found no ressources
all I found was a clip of a random bard doing the boss by dodging all of his attacks in melee range
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and I have no interest in learning the fight by going into crypts and hoping that I roll him every 40 minutes and with no interference
junior hare
yeah the windup time to get to crypt bosses is so boring
i can reliably solo ghost king and lich now, so it's just an achievement thing for me at this point
i've literally never gone to ice abyss still
gloomy summit
ice abyss is basically treat every mob like a raid boss
unless you're a bard
this is what I found
junior hare
jesus that's disgusting
gloomy summit
ye guy doesn't even clear the adds
junior hare
i guess you don't need to if you don't get hit 
junior hare
nah they sell out at 50k all the time
someone listed one earlier for like 37k and i sniped it so fast
gloomy summit
damn you're right
I bought this one for like 43k
this is just free money
the game froze when I hit redeem
Any other high-end market tips you can share
junior hare
are you in the collector's discord?
that's where most of the big ticket items are transacted, also where you can find actual bis
gloomy summit
no
junior hare
DM'd
it's been around since the beginning
it's not very well organized but the Trading Hall category is where I keep an eye out on market prices for the big tickets
you can do really well flipping artifacts but the liquidity is god awful
if I were trying to go harder on market stuff I'd flip artifacts, but for time commitment to value, nothing beats flipping chests, sk, and gk
if you're trying to full degen you can add gems and troll's blood to the flips
gloomy summit
yeah not interested in grinding the market full time but being able to make easy 10k gold every now and then would be nice so stuff like using uniques isn't just a daydream
junior hare
has your group still not gotten a unique drop from HR?
gloomy summit
we didn't do crypts
most common cheater spot, especially trios
we did buy these though
when they were still 18k pre-buff
gloomy summit
Yes our cleric brought it in for one game
instant buff the next game
sdf tagged our team for telemetry
thats why bard got nerfed 30 patches in a row
junior hare
bard and lock are the most broken solo classes still
though i'm getting shit on by landmine rogues in gc
i have to lead with hydra into every room now and it's painful
junior hare
are there any other epic-level treasures that will need to be turned in?
gloomy summit
Not to my knowledge
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junior hare
god damn, I was expecting gk's to drop back down, and they did go to 6k last night, but now they're up to 8k 
junior hare
somewhere between 1sk - 3sk
other option is to try to trade with other artifacts you want
gloomy summit
We've been farming Duo GC today and damn
Never wished we had someone to sell our stuff for as much as today
every two games we had to take a break for inventory reasons
junior hare
this is why the top players always have like 2-3 fences
gloomy summit
the streamer treatment
junior hare
what was your comp? bard/cleric?
junior hare
skull key market inefficiences are gone I think
gloomy summit
what was your comp? bard/cleric?
yes
gloomy summit
skull key market inefficiences are gone I think
Wowee its like crypto and the stock market, the moment I hear of it its too late
junior hare
junior hare
gold key inefficiencies are still ripe tho
i'm finally out of skull keys but now i got this
gloomy summit
holy shit thats like, 1 viola
manic verge
Holy shit 4 chests lol
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junior hare
trying to do solo HR ice caverns and I keep getting 1 or 2-shot by the fucking crossbow skellies
gloomy summit
do you not use heater on warlock?
junior hare
i was using longsword during those runs
gloomy summit
I'm trying to find solo HR Crypt videos but I'm struggling
for bosses that is
don't really need one for ghost king but I'm interested how people deal with Lich when staying above 95% is difficult because of the zone AOE
junior hare
gloomy summit
warlock...
I should have specified anything except warlock
I'm going to try doing it with an Ale build
gloomy summit
well I got ghost king once and tried him but bailed after realising he summons 3 nightmare death skulls
the other times I got griefed by five of the ten rogues in the lobby and I'm kept busy so I can't actually go bossing
but I did find the royal emerald and got my free gold chest
junior hare
holy shit you actually finished it, congrats
gloomy summit
We killed a Rogue called Stabbalotti recently and the name's been living rent-free in our heads since
junior hare
warlock...
junior hare
We killed a Rogue called Stabbalotti recently and the name's been living rent-fr...
favorite name I've killed so far is HawkTuaSpit
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junior hare
yeah i think only ranger bard and lock are able to solo it atm
ranger apparently takes an entire inventory of arrows 
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Just saw a fresh max roll EoS on the market
didn't even know it could roll this high
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junior hare
well i'm poor now but
time to hold this until end of wipe and then lose it in one run
gloomy summit
time to get landmined
junior hare
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did you invest or grind wyvern?
junior hare
invested just a little
gloomy summit
nice
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SDF cucked me releasing craft a day early so I didn't end up investing
Well thats the neat part about warlock, you don't have to
junior hare
you say that, and then that one little shit teleported onto me
and also sometimes i just randomly take damage from something exploding?
junior hare
yeah the imp i think
junior hare
junior hare
shieeet, congrats
junior hare
did they add new uses for golden keys or something? I can't understand why the prices are staying so high
gloomy summit
@junior hare would you be interested in doing some HR Crypt boss runs some time?
junior hare
<@1019744995911147531> would you be interested in doing some HR Crypt boss runs ...
yeah sure
fair warning i haven't done warlord HR before
junior hare
junior hare
there's several comparable ones going for like 3-4k
silent hornet
https://i.imgur.com/rtGJ9lP.png
Is this still up? 
gloomy summit
Never put it on the market
silent hornet
What is a comortable price you'd like that for? 
gloomy summit
I'm fine with parting for a thousand
gloomy summit
finally removed all the bad gear from my stash and premade sets
also brief tip, heavy gambeson and grand brigandine with at least 2 phys healing sell for 1k minimum
for people like me building around jolly time there is barely any of these pieces on the market
on epic rarity at least
gloomy summit
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The amount of people trying to trade a Stinky Stick for my EoS is insane
silent hornet
I'm fine with parting for a thousand
sorry, i fell asleep or something by the time i got this message. 
I'm still down to trade 1k if u still got the axe lol
gloomy summit
sorry, i fell asleep or something by the time i got this message. <:xdd:10290968...
I'm free rn
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In inferno right now so I'm going to be 10 minutes or so
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Im in the trade atm, look up "spooz" <a:NODDERS:932196049479692288>
I'm in trading now
got my first solo HR Boss kill
gloomy summit
Don't see your name
silent hornet
hmm gimmie sec
silent hornet
Don't see your name
what's ur name?
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IMakeADaMusic
silent hornet
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junior hare
we tested it to see and confirmed that the torch lighting stacks
atomic bronze
junior hare
junior hare
flipped it for +2 skull keys
gloomy summit
thats a very loose definition of cheap
junior hare
well compared to viola/fulgor/pulv that easily go for 10+ sk
even for shit rolls
i expect violas to drop in price tho since there's a lot more people solo farming wyvern
gloomy summit
Honestly I hope they make uniques a lot more common
so they can be actually used in-game by more than 0,0001% of players
and not be a wealth multiplier
junior hare
that'd be fun, but probably too meta-defining
junior hare
just had an idea: what if you late night queue sniped a solo HR lobby with your buddy, and he brings in all the Royal gems you need for the chest
you beeline to each other and kill him and extract so it counts as Looted
gloomy summit
already tried
as in, I gave a royal gem to someone and hunted them down
only equipment turns looted
best bet is still inferno chest opening and static spawns
though, I still have no idea where these are https://i.imgur.com/0vZlmv8.png
Almost convinced this is fake
gloomy summit
they are "up to date"
it would seem weird for the devs to remove gem spawns
I can confirm the top row but not the spawns below it
The module on the right haven't seen any gems either
junior hare
im 1 beetle wing away from that emote
gloomy summit
flipped it for +2 skull keys
I never asked, what did you even flip this from? Cause I see them usually at 3sk
junior hare
bought another aegis for 1 chest, traded aegis for elven, traded elven for chest + 2 sk + 1 gk
gloomy summit
someone offered you a chest +2sk? thats wild
junior hare
yeah they go up to 6sk sometimes
i wouldnt try to flip another one though, i think the market's getting flooded with uniques atm
seeing a lot more people trying to sell
even chests are transacting for only 2sk + 1gk
gloomy summit
You'd thing chests would be cheaper with them being available from HR goblin piles
Guess the chance is too low
junior hare
.1% chance iirc
gloomy summit
honestly for an easily accessible spot with 10 possible chances each map without needing to spend 20 minutes to go down
feels like there should be more
junior hare
played an HR gc where it was half w key bards and the other half landmine rogues
immediately extracted
I think the dev said they wanted to add in level 1 bosses into crypts too
their obsession with having a 3rd level down worries me
it already takes too long to go to inferno
gloomy summit
Didn't they scrap that idea?
They wanted to do it forever ago but didn't work out well because playerbase was spread
junior hare
i think the dev interview mentioned they still wanted to do it
gloomy summit
then they wanted to do it last wipe with the addition of the NPC that brings out loot between levels
and then they shafted it because the inventory rework caused massive issues
junior hare
i feel bad for rangers
junior hare
LOL
half the inventory being arrows is no fun
quivers as an item could be as simple as a Ranger only back equip that boosts action speed and removes need for arrows
gloomy summit
A class that by all accounts was already not bad has been pushed back into an uncontestable meta spot with ludicrous amount of Armor Pen
Very fun having a ranger shoot you all game and run back into his designated 6 traps module every time you go after him
god what a miserable playstyle
junior hare
traps should require a whole perk to use imo
gloomy summit
I want to see the inventory rework done mostly for the NPC they'd add
junior hare
i like watching vincennt play because he solos ranger with no traps
gloomy summit
so I can loot crypts instead of ignoring everything on floor 1
Ranger already has no important perks other than reload and draw speed
It would not fix the issue I have with that class
Like I unironically run Campfire Mastery
junior hare
gloomy summit
Fights done? Ok cleric here you go all this gear is mine now YOINK
Actually number one change I want to see is the matchmaking rework
so you don't pull floor 2 from the same lobby
but from everyone about to enter hell
4 team inferno sounds fun as fuck
junior hare
they should add in a pass system
escaping the top layer gets you a pass entry to next layer
gloomy summit
disney priority pass
junior hare
they legit could monetize that too
junior hare
if there's 3 layers, let the money makers pay for entries
i mean, it's inconsequential
easy money, doesn't impact gameplay
in fact, you want the whales who are less experienced to just instantly get into the deepest lobbies
gloomy summit
It does though, you get faster access to better loot pools
junior hare
yeah but then you stomp them
i'm really curious about how they're going to implement arena
like if it's going to be predetermined gear sets or if you can bring in your current gear with no risk of loss
gloomy summit
if the latter happens its going to be unique country
and unique prices go up I imagine
Mostly I just want to go triple stinky stick
I already have one, my cleric friend has like 5
junior hare
won't happen this wipe though right?
gloomy summit
I also wonder if it comes with any reward, but that depends entirely on how its set up with gear
I think they said they wanted to push arena for this wipe
dont quite remember
One thing they already said is its going to be a 2x2 map
junior hare
looks like stinky sticks are like 30k
gloomy summit
they used to be even cheaper
junior hare
btw if you have frozen iron keys i would dump those or exchange for sks
they used to transact for 2 sks but it's gone all the way down to 1 sk and i'm pretty sure it's going to keep tanking
junior hare
i killed SkibidiSkeleton
junior hare
my best gamba to date
junior hare
they used to transact for 2 sks but it's gone all the way down to 1 sk and i'm p...
rip
gloomy summit
Whats even in the locked room
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Fuck Nexon
junior hare
i saw it hit 2 pages early yesterday
junior hare
keys and bags super tanked as well
seems odd to all happen at the same time, so I'm inclined to think there's a dupe
junior hare
yeah prices are still dropping
definitely feels like there's a dupe happening
gloomy summit
getting that end of wipe crash sooner eh?
what the fuck?
16 pages???
30k???
yeah ok
searching discord for "dupe" has the last result a WEEK ago and its not related
weird
4 pages of keys got bought up all the way back to 42k, wild
In any case I got lucky
troll pelts are 2k
wild
junior hare
gloomy summit
Aren't uniques going up in price now that SKs are worth less though?
junior hare
you would think so, but check trade chat
even with sks dropping that low, nearly everything exchanges at the same value (except gks)
it's basically like forex but with huge time delay arbitrage
junior hare
good lord the key market is absolutely fucked
gloomy summit
The best crypto remains good gear
junior hare
even chests are being listed on the market now
manic verge
Fantastic addition to the game tbh
Funny enough they aint doing any balancing changes until next week
junior hare
havent had time to play, but how's the new season?
gloomy summit
Ruins is back
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oops I forgot I typed out part 1 one of the response I ment to send
Ruins is back and updated to look nice and not just be a rogue/ranger shitshow
New boss has been added, Spectral Knight (in ruins), with the banshee coming soon
They reintroduced the 3-floor-layer and added the expressman to allow you to deposit items inbetween floors
Which basically were the only major changes until today, they now added a sneak-peek into arena and the religion system
gloomy summit
Arena is funny right now because we keep the last guy alive to loot the chests in the module
It seems like Arena has HR modifiers on it for loot
The chests have baseline blue equipment from what we've seen
gloomy summit
correction, some maps do
goblin seems to have the worst, ice cavern is also bad
the crypt maps seemed to have the best loot
its a good way to farm minted gear lmao
getting a module with a gold chest spawn because it won't go away between rounds
gloomy summit
manic verge
Oh yeah I have a question regarding the gods and stuff
So for the luck, do you get the global bonus or just based on how much you've offered???
gloomy summit
global
gloomy summit
Ok so, I can confirm the loot pool for Arena seems to be HR
We held a fighter hostage and looted the lootpile from the new crypt pile and I got this out of it
manic verge
Yo I got a golden key last night. Should I just sell those lmao
gloomy summit
Yes
Using them will 99% of the time not pay off compared to selling them as they're used as currency on the market due to their rarity
manic verge
Using them will 99% of the time not pay off compared to selling them as they're ...
Cool. Do you know if they're gonna use it for the quest
I heard that the next quest for the gold coin chest was killing the new bopss
gloomy summit
I believe not
A friend send me this site today saying that it has yet to be incorrect
no results for golden key in datamined quests
manic verge
Nice gg
junior hare
did you do it with a rapier, or bring a million arrows?
gloomy summit
rondel/rapier
whichever I find a higher damage of in normals
HR depends on what set I'm playing, if its PDR I use rondel, MS I use Rapier
gloomy summit
did you do it with a rapier, or bring a million arrows?
The trick is that wyvern's most lethal attack, ground stomp, is on a 30 seconds cooldown
You stay at mid-range, get headshots in, and once he uses it you go close-range and go full auto because the other attacks are easy to dodge
Can do it with any class that way
junior hare
gloomy summit
no
junior hare
rip
gloomy summit
items are already tanking hard with the new changes and they're only going to get cheaper
so there no longer is a Orange/Yellow tax on items
need 2-3 good stats on them now like purple items before
manic verge
Yeah i figured. the increase in the drop rate kinda reminded me of old blythar
left nova
Do you guys still play, or pretty much done for the wipe?
junior hare
lhya still plays
manic verge
Woop i didnt see yall post. I havent played in a bit but wipe happening.
dawn viper
Twitter
primal scarab
Free game, now I can avoid the stand alone launcher
gloomy summit
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A worse wizard currently
Day 1 it had a wildy unbalanced combo that 90% of the lobby were sorcerers but now that thats out the window there are barely any
Its better designed and more fun to play than wizard in that it has no spell chargers and they are instead set to cooldowns
but the cast times are ass so the class does not feel good to play without the instant cast trait that increases the cooldowns by times 4, but then you absolutely have to land your spells or you're useless for the next 30 to 60 seconds
I tried going 40+ knowledge and the cast times are still so bad that every class can just walk you down
So I'm instead just playing wizard right now
its still considered work in progress so its going to see some changes, hopefully which put it into a more competetive spot because the class design is way more interesting
junior hare
are 3s still just speed barb/rogue?
gloomy summit
Couldn't tell you, my friends are deathly afraid of HR and only go sub 25
left nova
https://i.imgur.com/lrG7bNQ.png
Holy cow, nice. Which class is it minted to?
gloomy summit
Bard, so its quite literally BiS
left nova
Very nice. Haven't played much yet this wipe but I might try learning Warlord and GK now that it doesnt take 30 minutes an attempt
Been close to beating GK, just haven't been comfortable enough to dps him quickly enough to not have the room filled with pools from teleporting
junior hare
Very nice. Haven't played much yet this wipe but I might try learning Warlord an...
wait what'd they change?
left nova
With the "continuous" dungeon changes you don't have to wait until the end of the round to descend a floor. They usually aren't open at the very beginning unless you join a map already in progress, but they usually open up after a few minutes now I believe
Also, Warlord and Lich are on Crypts now
gloomy summit
1 and a half minutes I believe
for reds and blues to open
Still need to learn warlord
ghost king is ironically the easiest and he's guaranteed inferno
which is odd
Once you know how to bait his orb attack up you can kill him in 2 rotations solo with gray gear, and something like 20 seconds in trios
left nova
Is that with the jump duck thing or strafing? I was getting the hang of it last wipe but hadn't gotten it consistent yet
gloomy summit
Jump duck
junior hare
huh, did they nerf his hp too?
gloomy summit
Nah Ghost King was always a pushover
The jump bait is easy once you get it down, you just kinda subconciously do it at the right time by the sound alone
gloomy summit
huh, did they nerf his hp too?
They nerfed Banshee HP by 30%
but nothing else
still don't like banshee because of how RNG the fight is with collecting ghosts
what we did instead is let our barbarian with high MR just tank the 3rd scream and walk out of the room LMAO
manic verge
That's pree much the strat for banshee. She ain't that bad. Did they fix the orbs spawning outside of the room?
Not that it's bad cause you can dodge it by moving sideways but sometimes it's hard to see where it aims
Does warlord & lich always spawn on continuous tho or no? Like if someone already killed it prior and you joined that lobby
gloomy summit
the lobby can have people join in progress until it hits a player limit or a certain amount of time has expired
(looks to be roughly 40% of match time expired from our own gameplay)
manic verge
I see. How's sorcerer
gloomy summit
A worse wizard currently
My thoughts haven't changed
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junior hare
anyone playing the new season?
gloomy summit
The Unity Asset Store guy had a massive budget this season it seems
(All quest items I can't redeem from the new map)
junior hare
how's the new season? is it still speed meta?
gloomy summit
Can't really speak for the meta because I haven't played in 5 months
They added a new map, a new mechanic where you can take control of a random mob on the map after you die and buffed every perk that was underused
junior hare
yeah i just saw the mob control thing and it's hilarious
i was considering playing it but warborne has sucked all my pvp time
tardy rain
Oh it's scav runs
Do you get anything from playing out as the mob though
Like can you loot
gloomy summit
No you get tokens to respawn which presumably are based on their AP system, and then can try to grief the lobby before it closes
it becomes decisively more lethal the higher level the dungeon is, and unsurprisingly they recently disabled it in HR because I imagine everyone was getting owned by Nightmare Mobs bunnyhoping on their asses
tardy rain
Wait it literally just exists to grief? There's no reward?
gloomy summit
Its loosely tied to a merchant who gives you a low amount of tokens daily for dealing player damage to buy random items from, like the seasonal vendors
Its "intended" purpose is to get revenge basically, its what they advertised it as
but in its current iteration its rough, because you don't get to pick and choose, you're given control of a random NPC anywhere on the map (excluding mini-bosses), and if its a regular skeleton you might as well go next
or you could be this guy and try anyway
junior hare
i hate that they keep adding in more equipment types and random quest items