🎮〕illuvium-beyond

[pure pulsar]

12, 18, 24 months?

[meager garden]

1 set every 2 years prolly

[royal anvil]

I have no clue but will ask that.

[meager garden]

if waves are 3 months with 1 month gap that's 4 months. So 5 waves will be 20 months

1 set every 2 years should be the aim I would say

[serene python]

I would also Start wave 3 with open Beta, imagine how many disks we sell to people thinking they buy illuvials 🤑

[meager garden]

sad but true

[valid sierra]

Even sad you would joke about this

[serene python]

And thats why i would never link those 2 events

[meager garden]

usually the first 3-4 days of the wave are the craziest, that's why I suggested 1 week earlier (3 days alpha + 4 of crazy opening)

[pure pulsar]

[valid sierra]

So people will still think they need need to buy these to play the game 4 days later. Don't think this is a good idea if you care about your community

[meager garden]

if u are dumb enough for that, you are dumb 1 month before as well I don't see how that's caring for the community

if they released at the same time yes it could be confusing for sure

I mean ppl just need to install the game and enter the world to see they are 2 completely different things

[valid sierra]

And what do you see on twitter and all socials? Beyond wave now, buy now

There is no marketing for hey, download this game now

cause there is no return

web3 is still a hype game

and you hype what you are selling

people degen without doing enough research

If you want to be the AAA game studio, you help people prevent making these mistakes

[pure pulsar]

no, thats just bad marketing

[meager garden]

you're missing the point, only web3 degens care for the nfts right now
we need to market the OB game 100%

[valid sierra]

Calling your potential clients dumb is certainly not the way I would go

[pure pulsar]

if you have to explain it to your customer, something is wrong with your branding/marketing

[meager garden]

true

[pure pulsar]

and yea degens dont read

https://tenor.com/view/derek-zoolander-read-school-signage-zoolander-gif-17902099

[meager garden]

has we saw with the poll the majority wants the release on OB, but there are alot that want the wave 3 sooner

maybe 1 month before the OB is a good compromise?

or still confusing on the marketing?

[pure pulsar]

we can do it as part of OB marketing

[meager garden]

yes I honestly think we should stop treating beyond like the black sheep and market illuvium with 4 Interoperable blockchain games

[pure pulsar]

if u really want to market illuvitar, u need alpha groups

[pure pulsar]

isnt IZ the black sheep

[meager garden]

nop

the narrative has always been "we have 3 inter operable blockchain games"

oh and beyond

[pure pulsar]

team has confirmed that its a game

and u get weekly rewards

[meager garden]

it is the only actual game running rn and giving revenue to the DAO

[pure pulsar]

iz gave rev to the dao too

[meager garden]

yes for sure but the game isn't live yet

[pure pulsar]

so we shouldnt give reward go arena?

[meager garden]

I've been against it because the game is not finished, but I'm not in charge here and I'm not a marketing guy

[pure pulsar]

how about every games get rewards

[meager garden]

why tho

we like giving away free ILV?

it'll will only devalue our currency

cause ppl will come for rewards and sell the token

[vapid imp]

another way could be to release a few weeks after OB, so people dont get it confused, and maybe it could help keep the hype going after people been playing for a few weeks.

[meager garden]

I actually think this would be the best now

[vapid imp]

But then again thats probably 5-6 months away, so maybe it would make sense to release wave 3 early and make it fit with wave 4, even tho im aginst early wave 3 and think we need to give people some time to build liquidity

[meager garden]

this wave was extended already, maybe having an extended pause wouldn't hurt

it's just that everyone that loves the project is excited for the new wave

[vapid imp]

thats actually a good point

but yea 5-6 months with no disks, im going to open all the disks i was going to hold for long term 😄

[meager garden]

there are still lots of d1sks on the market to buy, wave 1 and 2

[vapid imp]

maybe it would also be good for secondary market with a long pause

[meager garden]

just no more bonuses

for personal goals

which is good because we will finally stop inflating wave 3

[vapid imp]

Ye, and i guess some people would buy less wave 3 mega disk's since we get air dropped a lot more then last wave

so we need new people maybe it would be good to wait for after game release

anyhow gonna hit the gym, good talk mate

[meager garden]

yeah the more I think about it the better it sounds, for every aspect previously mentioned.
When players start playing the game and they see some of us with pfp's and sending emotes in the arena they will wonder how to get those

and if it's released after there won't be the problem with ppl mistakenly buying illuvitars thinking they are illuvials

[small terrace]

"Purchase failed please refresh page" in red, keeps coming up, whats up with that when trying to purchase disck.

[pure pulsar]

is it harder or easier for new people to top the leaderboard in 6 months?

[meager garden]

beyond leaderboard or arena?

[pure pulsar]

beyond leaderboard

if someone just joined ILV post OB

and missed the past waves

[meager garden]

they have alot catching up to do compared to us OGs

they can have the best illuvitars of wave 3 that they still won't make it to the leaderboard because we wave 1 and 2 already, even with mediocre illuvitars

[pure pulsar]

can you explain how to catch up? like buy from marketplace or its not as simple as that

[meager garden]

yes they'll have to buy from us through the market

driving prices up for previous waves as it should be

[pure pulsar]

interesting, im wondering if more waves pre OB will or will not disincentivize new comers

[meager garden]

good point

I think we're at the sweet spot now

2 waves to catch up it's still doable for those with money

and there are different degrees to this

you can complete the album with the cheapest illuvitars if you're only interested in the skins/emotes or you can aim for the leaderboard, having to buy the best illuvitars and accessories

[tepid geyser]

Very good point and yes it absolutely would.

[urban pawn]

still missing those disks. i have wrote a ticket to support so i guess it will get sorted soon.

[hasty grotto]

well i will see if i can resist spending the remains of my imx wallet ballance tomorrow on wave2 discks I told myself today was the last day 😉

[cobalt gale]

Guys can smbdy help with this error?

Failed to execute 'bound' on 'IDBKeyRange': The parameter is not a valid key.

i dont know how, but my bonded wallet changed and i cant change it back

this error occurs by trying to connect my wallet

[pure pulsar]

i understand that being early is beneficial for the whales (top leader). i believe we have to strike a balance between offering an edge to the early adopters and leaving some competitiveness to the new comers. i believe it will be better for your investment if we get more players for beyond

i personally feel intimidated by the top score

[fathom lintel]

I would contact support with this, never seen anyone ask about this error message before. #❓❓〕support message

[fathom lintel]

This happened to me too a few days ago, could be an IMX problem, keep trying it will eventually go through.

[cobalt gale]

alright, contaced @zealous delta aswell

would like to get som w2 disks in time

[fathom lintel]

Yeah, you should be good, there is still a day and a half left

[cobalt gale]

i cant connect to my metamask dashboard aswell, maybe thats the problem

[frank pier]

you all might be right....I thought the BP from zero would quickly go under a buck and instead they have bounced back above 3...there seems to be some demand for these, even when plentiful. I'm ok with whatever occurs...time just flows and the months pass into years before we know it 😉

[urban pawn]

i complitely agree. It benefits early adopters to rush new wave, but for the sake of project it should come out when we have more beyond players (it hurts my position, but it is true). Also 2 waves is enough of a push for early adopters. It would be hard, but not impossible to catch up to us (about 1.5 ETH is more that enough of advantage - amount needed to get to top 100).

[frank pier]

well, and they have to expand the leaderboard also...just 100 is very limited esp. if they expect 1000s of new players

to come into beyond

here is one area art is crucial though...not sure rocks matter that much but nft collection art is key.

[pure pulsar]

i really appreciate that you guys are thinking about the bigger picture. something that i rarely see in web3 community. much respect.

[small terrace]

Yes it eventually worked, thank u

[vocal radish]

the 100 disk stretch goal for the emote disk x 5 is that 5 emotes or a disk with the 5 emotes on it?

[meager garden]

5x d1sks, one emote each

[vocal radish]

as in physical disk plates?

[meager garden]

nah man they are in-game emotes

[vocal radish]

ok thanks was just confused with the wording disks and not just say 5 in game emotes

[meager garden]

the d1sk has a random emote in it

[vocal radish]

are they account bound or nfts do you know?

[meager garden]

nfts

[vocal radish]

ahh gotcha

thanks for the help i appricate it

[light epoch]

Too broke to get that holo arena skin

[tepid geyser]

😍

[wooden ice]

People seem to forget that Beyond did not launch with a lb. I bought most of my Wave 1 d1sks before that update. When beyond released, continuity was promised (or at the very least implied). It was a product based on art and collectability, of course coupled with financial stability for the DAO.

Imo, collectability should always come first in the decision making process for Beyond. Unfortunately (and imo of course) that hasn't really been the case.

Lb is a nice incentive, sure. But I don’t think it adds fundamental value to the core of the project. More the opposite, as it seems to force some people to bond what they would rather keep clean.

Also, if wave 3 launches along with OB (so months of basically nothing but selling cheap for liquidity in a promising new crypto bull environment), I’m pretty confident that 1.5 Eth mark for top 100 will no longer be there.

[wise peak]

This 1000x. I was thinking about investing some ETH to get onto the leaderboard, but its not really worth it imo

[weary gust]

Any player can be competitive in whatever current wave is on sale at the time. What about splitting beyond rewards between overall album rank and also a leaderboard for current wave? That way those that start late can still have a way to compete

[hazy juniper]

This would be nice

[meager garden]

I posted an idea in the past about this:
#1134860049529970729 message

it wasn't the main idea of the post but it was my second comment

[frank pier]

@languid star weekly you tube videos are worth a watch, and this week TSG was on there and shared his thought that wave 3 should start about a month before open beta hits so we are not promoting two things at once. I think this makes a lot of sense...keeps some excitement and a rhythm to the waves and still is available for open beta players. I think beginning of March is the answer for wave 3 to start, assuming open beta late march/early April.

ps also think @hazy juniper youtube videos are worth a watch

[weary gust]

Ah yep, I see it. It solves the issue Jag raises. It's a decent idea imo

[meager garden]

at the time I posted that idea we were too near to the wave 2 release and the talk to expand the leaderboard or having 2 leaderboards died there. But this time I definitely think we should take this seriously. And with current prices for ILV and ETH we could even be a bit more bold with the rewards

[languid star]

Yeah I tend to agree with this. It would be best to have wave3 on going when open beta hits so we dont want to run the risk of wave3 ending before open beta. Its also hard to plan for this until we have an actual open beta launch date.

[frank pier]

Beyond has been such an important part of the ecosystem; one view would be it pretty much filled the saftey pool. And with a dedicated base and a great long-term product, this is a good use for part of the 1 mil in ILV rewards pool, and the leaderboard should be expanded AND I like the idea of a mini-wave leaderboard.

[frank pier]

ps and dm when you need someone to run your lands

[hazy juniper]

❤️

[hazy juniper]

Honestly I say switch waves to 6 months and kick off wave 3 now

Kill all the birds with one stone

[frank pier]

I think both you are Nijafe are real gifts to the community as well as supporting the ILV overall value

[frank pier]

how about 5 months and 1 month promo?

now that they figured out how to offer a good promo if I had more time to accumulate eth I would have bought more over time

[meager garden]

one thing to consider is what is the duration of 1 set. And this question needs to be awnsered by the overworld and not beyond. Are we aiming to release a new set of illuvials at what rate? Every 2 years? 3? 4?

[frank pier]

just upgrade the access. distribution like the did the higher power illuvs in the promo and it would be a home run

[frank pier]

from what I understand this is unknown...but stretching gives the team time to create the illuvial and also the illuvitar art

and maybe a game by next year

for beyond

last I heard 4 waves per set

and only 2 sets as of now

but growing as universe grows

[meager garden]

we have to have targets.... and it's 5 waves unless they do a wave with 50 illuvitars

I would say a good goal would be to release a new set every 2-3 years

[frank pier]

can you imagine what the album will look like in a few years lol

need ai to manage it

[weary gust]

My concern with the community coming up with ideas for beyond is that we just don't know enough about what the team has planned. They've hinted at a lot but it all lacks detail. Emotes/battle boards for completed sets but no timeline on this. Burning illuvitars for something called "substance" but we don't know what that is. Burning accessories too but for what reason we do not know. Plus maybe a TCG at some point 🤷‍♂️. I'm sure other things have been said that I can't remember off the top of my head too.

For us to put ideas forward about incentives for new and existing players. We need a solid grasp on the team vision for Beyond. We don't have that right now imo

[frank pier]

it has been subject to change and also different voices with different opinions

[languid star]

I only have 5 and running 4 myself right now. Does seem time consuming so I'll re-evaluate when we get to open beta

[frank pier]

also part of the issue is we are part run by a mgmt team and part by a dao

not always on the same page

[languid star]

Yeah another thought I shared in the latest rundown is just always having d1sks to buy. Extend the waves and have them flow into eachother. Wave3 now for 6months and imidiately start wave4 when it ends

[frank pier]

no down time

agree

[covert ibex]

I’d vouch for this. I’d try to avoid a 6 month beyond drought at all costs

[frank pier]

there are people who live to open disks and the secondary market is not enough, not as profitable for the dao, and prices are already above mint price once live minting of a wave ends

and now we have an eth lizards disk opening leaderboard with rewards also

[meager garden]

ppl having nothing to play that's why they open d1sks. Plus it takes aaaaages to open multiple d1sks with no bulk opening feature

[meager garden]

I think the pause is very important to create excitement and give the secondary market some breather

[frank pier]

well there is also a dedicated amount of players who open disks for the homeruns and then to sell the rare ones off

[weary gust]

Playing Beyond with a ledger is rough 😅

[meager garden]

I would say a 5 month wave with a 1 month pause would be my ideal format

[languid star]

I don't disagree. Personally, I'm in the middle and would be happy either way. I think the issue is more that open beta could be 3 to 6 months away. How long should the gap be and when should wave3 start?

[meager garden]

this would give 2 waves per year and 1 set for every 2.5 years

[frank pier]

and the end of each set a misprint period

[weary gust]

What happened to @timber apex idea about auctioning off 1/1s of rare illuvitars not minted from previous waves? That still going to happen

[wooden ice]

You can use bitb solo mode to open 25 d1sks per ledger signature.

[meager garden]

yeah I know, but imagine whales could open 100 d1sks at one go. How many more d1sks wouldn't we sell?

[meager garden]

yeah it's going to happen by the end of the set

[weary gust]

Ah awesome, look forward to that then

[hazy juniper]

Well i want to make a proposal generally speaking. But I am trying to answer these sorts of questions. Especially regarding the progression of Wave 4 illuvitars

[hazy juniper]

My greatest fear. That and spiders

[hazy juniper]

This is basically all I care about most. The drought between 2 and 3 was horrid. The last thing I want is to repeat that

[meager garden]

it's exactly the drought that makes you eager for the next wave.

plus it gives time to gather funds for it

and pumps the price on the secondary market

[fathom lintel]

I don't think they are planning to create the same size of sets in the future. The latest they hinted at was to have smaller sets added as the number of illuvials in the current set is waning in the OW

[meager garden]

yes 100% with illuvials in the OW we need to start the new set with the previous still running but with low drop % so the playground never stops

illuvials and illuvitars are two different products

[fathom lintel]

But the sets of illuvitars are based on the illuvials 🙂 How are you calculating how many years/set without knowing how many illuvials we will have in future sets?

[meager garden]

yeah we can't, too many variables for now. But I think it would be good to have something consistent. So we players know what to count with

the rate what which the team intends to release new illuvials should be known

these things need to be planned

[fathom lintel]

I'm not sure if even the team knows this. This project is already starting to have dozens of hydra-heads and every time you cut one off, two new ones grow.

[meager garden]

yeah true, but like I say you need to have a plan, if you don't your plan is to fail

then you juggle along the way

[fathom lintel]

Too many future details depend on things yet unknown (how long will it take to finish all the tech needed for launch). Once open beta is underway we should be able to better plan.

[frank pier]

I think part of the problem, along with the overall mgmt structure, is this started out as a lark in ways, and now is one of the pillars of the ILV system, and adjustments still need to be made to reflect that, including a commitment of time and assets and yes a public time line plan

but I agree open beta is key for now

[fathom lintel]

Well, I've already embraced the chaos and will ride it out no matter what comes. This is the price of experimenting with the hybrid DAO-team management model + new tech at the same time. We are literally building the plane while we are trying to fly it.

[meager garden]

one more reason to not rush wave 3, let's take the time to plan things and make it right. Analyze the data from wave 1 and 2 and go from there timing with the OB

[frank pier]

who is going to do this is the issue

[meager garden]

I trust the team

[fathom lintel]

But that's the issue, you can't plan things without knowing how long it takes to build everything. The moment the team puts a plan to paper, people will hold them accountable in the future, even if some unforeseen tech detail comes up that derails the whole plan. Plus, you have the power of the DAO, that can change the plan too.

[meager garden]

then instead of setting hard dates we do it relatively to the OB launch

the first thing I think needs to be clear is, do we want a beyond wave to be running already when we launch the OB or not

[fathom lintel]

Except the biggest bird of all, which is that most of the Beyond regulars don't want to put in additional money before more people come (based on the poll Filow put up above) And that's a difficult bird to argue with. It might even be a terror bird...

[astral ermine]

use open beta hype for new wave

No need to rush wave 3 now

[hazy juniper]

No. We see web 3 projects launch nfts then become irrelevant 2 days later every single week in this space. Having something to interact with on a daily basis is excellent for engagement. Especially when it shifts and evolves on a regular basis.

Illuvium Beyond has been an excellent product for the people here that want something to do every week, even with Arena on Epic people still want to buy an NFT every now and then.

[meager garden]

must be some weak 4ss projects and not a good example then

you will have a game to play, isn't like 3-5 months of constantly available nfts to buy enough???

does it really hurt to stop selling 1 month?

[hazy juniper]

People put money into Pokemon cards for 20-25 years before 'Logan Paul' came.

What people want is for others to pump their bags which is extremely dishonest. If you dont like the product you are buying then you shouldn't be buying it. If your only reason to buy it, is to sell it later and if u dont think it'll be worth more then dont buy it.

The plan for Illuvium Beyond was always 3 months per wave, that was marketed from day 1. And people are now trying to change it to pump their bags, which is absurd to me

[hazy juniper]

1 month isn't too bad, but we saw 1 month turn into 3 last time

[meager garden]

and we saw 3 months turn into 5-6 for a running wave

things are still new and changing

[hazy juniper]

I'm fine delaying 2-3 weeks, but thats it personally. I'd rather have a new wave come and last longer than anything else

[vapid imp]

people can still buy of the secondary market so it's not an issue.

[hazy juniper]

Also u would be delaying and potentially losing our next partner

[meager garden]

that month is important for the team as well to get ready for the next wave, marketing and stuff

[hazy juniper]

d1sks?

[meager garden]

true

[vapid imp]

disk's and illuvitars

[hazy juniper]

I'm not saying launch tomorrow, but delaying til Open Beta is really dumb

Its way too unpredictable

[meager garden]

I don't know if you read but there were some points made about having a beyond wave running while we launch OB

that it may confuse some ppl

[hazy juniper]

Having it launch at the same time will confuse people WAY more

so having it running is the best call

launching it afterwards is losing revenue

[meager garden]

the point is not to release at the same time but rather 15 days-1 month after

let the players get curious about those of us who have pfp's and emotes

[hazy juniper]

Lol we already have them, after changes nothing lol

Except makes a confusing marketing event

[meager garden]

new players won't have pfp's

and the majority voted on the poll they want the next wave near OB

[hazy juniper]

Look the DAO is still a business. If you guys want to gut our only revenue stream in the name of saving yourself a couple bucks then vote for it when the proposals come through

[meager garden]

for me the question is more do we release wave3 1 month before or after OB

[vapid imp]

this guy is a troll just going to block tbh

[meager garden]

chill @vapid imp

[still herald]

• @weary gust Actually there is one now on the Battle in the Beyond platform. Instead of battles you can do Solo openings where you easily can open 5-25 disks with a single ledger/wallet signature

[meager garden]

you are thinking this on the business side. I'm thinking this more on the product side. If we release another wave too soon the number of d1sks sold will be even lower than wave 2. You will have to either prolong it even more or make even more crazy individual stretch goals and I just dislike that idea very much. Plus as I mentioned before any good game should not introduce power creep and this would make wave 3 probably the rarest one

I must say, if the DAO's $$ survivability depends on beyond, then we're on a bad spot. And the conversation here is not about saving ourselves a couple bucks but rather making beyond a great product...

[still herald]

I think the best way to solve this moving forward is to make each wave have a fix duration no matter what - for example 3 months ongoing + 2 months pause or whatever duration the majority thinks it's best. And make it (almost) impossible to prolong/delay/shorten any wave for any reason

[meager garden]

I'll be looking forward for that proposal @hazy juniper

[wooden ice]

No offence, but number of d1sks sold is like the summum of "thinking on the business side". What do sale numbers and fear of not matching previous sell targets have to do with the product?

[meager garden]

everything my friend. Wave 1 should be the rarest one. It's that simple

[hazy juniper]

If Wave 3 is the rarest one then thats fine, thats a part of the product. You can't just change the product to be what u want it to be

Pokemons Set 1 is extremely rare in comparison to set 100. Because they grew in popularity over time

[meager garden]

why did we give crazy bonus for this wave 2 then ?

cause we knew sales would be bad without it

EXACTLY

[hazy juniper]

Wave 1 had bonuses too

[meager garden]

not comparable

1 mega every 25x?

[hazy juniper]

I didnt come up with the bonuses, I thought they were extreme

I'm not going to discuss them

All I am saying is consistency is how u build these products

[meager garden]

you're destroying beyond by rushing it and I won't say more

[hazy juniper]

you might as well abandon it altogether

[meager garden]

we need players

you're milking the same top 200 players

[hazy juniper]

we aren't forcing anyone to buy anything

You act like we have a gun to their head

[meager garden]

top 100 will want to stay competitive

ofc you are forcing them

[hazy juniper]

if u dont like the way the product has been structured since day 1 then dont buy

[hazy juniper]

If they want to yes

[meager garden]

sure 🫡

[hazy juniper]

no one is forcing anyone lol

Imagine if some dude walked into Nintendo Headquarters and was like hey bruh, my pay gonna be late by a month. Maybe delay the next set please

[meager garden]

as a community subcouncil member it's very sad, looks like you didn't even consider the opinion of the ppl that voted on the poll here

i'm done here

[hazy juniper]

Everyone voted on that original proposal for Illuvium Beyond. It had very specific rules in place for how the product works. Retroactively changing that is dishonest to all the people who voted on those proposals themselves

[meager garden]

SO WHY DID WAVE 2 GET EXTENDED???

[hazy juniper]

I consider it and will consider the votes on future things in feedback

[meager garden]

isn't that dishonest?

[still herald]

I bet that if wave 2 wouldn't have been prolonged given the TL Promo stuff we would've had a different discussion here 😄

[hazy juniper]

I didnt want that either

I have not changed my stance

I would have preferred wave 2 extended only up until the promo

giving up TL woulda been bad

[meager garden]

I rest my case

[hazy juniper]

All I know is a significant dead zone between waves will be really bad for the engagement in Illuvium as a whole

[meager garden]

you sound like John Snow

nobody cares

[hazy juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/mando-way-mandalorian-star-wars-this-is-the-way-gif-18467372

[hazy juniper]

Is that a Star Wars?

Also its Jon Snow*

[mossy turtle]

@meager garden why should wave 1 be the rarest?

[meager garden]

it's not

wave 2 is

so gg

[mossy turtle]

but you said, it should be

[meager garden]

woah after all the discussion had, this is just low

but fuck it

even if you delete I won't forget

even worse I voted for you

[wooden ice]

Don't necessarily think that's the case here. You can disagree and still both be right (ethically speaking). That's the dangerous thing about the dao at this point. Every time there is a decision to be made, majority theoretically rules. But all those minorities lost along the way, are what's bad for engagement in the ecosystem. Which is kind of ironic.

[hazy juniper]

And I appreciate that

@meager garden although I appreciate the sentiment. Doing a poll in this channel is not something I can take into full account with all due respect to the community in Illuvium. Its easy to get lost along the way and even easier to falsify if u wanted to, even though I don't think u did obviously.

You should really be making a proper post in feedback/ideas if u want me to consider the communities sentiments more seriously. In the meantime I have made a twitter poll for u

[wet solstice]

i didn't know that an nft game could have so much drama

lol i just buy the discs and then im satisfied

im not even competitive in it i just enjoy the game

[frank pier]

I'd rather have the people we hired to run this project manage it vs an ever-changing dao affected by a few . And personally, I find Scoriox to be very intellegent and reasonable, and he cares about the system and the people in it, the whole system, more than most...and we are not friends. Just my opinion

[worldly star]

i salling anized tattoo pmm

[hazy juniper]

Any product, needs to be consistent. I definitely understand the concerns of those that want to delay Wave 3. But having a giant gap between Wave 2 and 3 is a mistake in my opinion thats all.

Both options have the potential to generate more revenue in the long run and honestly I feel like the Alpha sale is more a burden than a benefit in most cases. Also if Wave 4 were to be ready we could literally launch Wave 3 and then drop Wave 4 just after launch like people want, the problem then becomes the timeline on set 2 which I also agree with. But dead space is the enemy of Illuvium Beyond

[sharp sigil]

Perhaps exploring alternative ways to engage the illuvium beyond community and build anticipation for the open beta could be beneficial while Wave 3 is on hold.

[hazy juniper]

Open to ideas, but all mine involve buying d1sks hahah

[glad marten]

is the battleboard skin for buying 50 wave 2 disks be an nft or will be account bond?

[mossy turtle]

nft

[glad marten]

alright thx , i guess theres no way to know how many people bought 50+ wave 2 disks?

[neon tapir]

I tend to agree with this, but I'm curious, do you have any data to support this? I'm in the top 50, but personally am growing tired of the same old just new jpegs. Doesn't mean I wouldn't invest in wave 3 if it happened now (in 2-3 weeks), but it would be on a much smaller scale than W1 and W2. Extrapolating by that, W3 might have the weakest sales and be the rarest wave.

I know it's difficult to time the wave along with open beta and promotional stuff but we really need a strong plan, and it needs to come primarily from the team with feedback from the community.

[hazy juniper]

Well my question is actually this.

If Wave 3 came out shortly after Open Beta would u spend more on it than if it came out in 1 week?

My opinion would be no, there are 20 other things to spend money on? At least I will be buying less d1sks overall after open beta. That isn't the only piece of this puzzle though obviously

I see that people want to make Wave 1 and 2 the most rare waves. I get that, I just don't agree with it hahah. Illuvium Beyonds intent is to be a living and breathing product like everything else, if its the rarest then great 🙂 . If not then also great 🙂

But changing things to try and make Wave 1 more rare doesn't sit right with me in a general sense

[neon tapir]

When you weight it like that, it does seem like a better idea not to wait long. Personally don't care if W3 is the rarest, just about the genuine player interest. There are tons of opportunities to invest in in a bull market and I'm just slightly concerned whether the interest in Beyond will drop significantly and then it starts getting overlooked by the team

[frank pier]

this is the most activity we've had in the quiet backwater of beyond discord in a very long time...if ever lol

glad most are staying positive and constructive....differing views aren't wrong, just need perspecitve

intellegent minds can disagree 🙂

and should at times

[mossy turtle]

We should not try to make any wave rarer then any other, that would undermine those who bet on the right wave, if that is the important thing.

Other than that we would need more information to have a real discussion, would releasing wave 3 early mean that it lasted for 6 months to hit the middle of open beta and be good positioned with the promo partner for example.

[wet solstice]

any one want to by this

There are only two on the market currently, but both have differnt expressions and i need to sell this today so that i can buy a disc for a bonus disk. Ill post it for the highest price someone offers

[hazy juniper]

I have spoken to some others on the subject. Most notably @hollow flint and I understand the alternative argument much better now. Thanks to you as well @meager garden .

There are still elements of a delay that don't sit right with me but I'm much more neutrally aligned on a personal level now.

[wet solstice]

im selling it for a minimum of 15 usd

[fathom lintel]

Hey @frosty knot sorry to bring this up again but it looks like the alpha disk sales are still not counted for the milestones and its only 22 hours left of the sale. Can we assume that this will be retroactively corrected and the milestones adjusted if it's not fixed before the end of the sale?

[spare temple]

post in #🛒〕beyond-dex , thats for sales

[pure pulsar]

i disagree. web3 nft projects become irrelevant because they have to wait for the dev to build the roadmap, not because they stop selling more jpegs. in nft, we dont want the dev to keep selling, we want them to give us more utility from the existing collection

[hazy juniper]

I personally believe it has plenty of utility but I understand why others dont

[spare temple]

i'll be tryina battle this week, ping me

[frosty knot]

Yep that's correct, the Backend fix for this has been made. The Frontend change needs to be made and deployed to higher envs.

[frosty knot]

Absolutely they will be counted.

[lime axle]

How did we end up with this gap between waves? Wasn't the idea of extending wave 2 intended to line it up with open beta timelines at that time? So wave 3 would follow right after along with open beta?

Did we just fail to extend it again when open beta was pushed out, or did people decide we had extended it all we could? Or was open beta already set for Q2 when wave 2 was extended to Jan 15th?

[royal anvil]

Two reasons:

(1) Previously landed that Wave 3 will be after open beta (before the delay); and
(2) open beta got delayed to Q2

Cause of these two, unofficial timeline for wave 3 would look like anywhere from April to end of June. Were talking about a minimum of 3 to 5.5 months from now.

[lime axle]

So why didn't they further extend wave 2?

This kinda blows my mind

[frosty knot]

Also, we didn't want to further delay Team Liquid (but wanted to upgrade the value proposition of D1SKs to include Wave 2 Illuvitar & Accessories).

[royal anvil]

cause it was already extended once. Its not ideal to keep on extending it

[lime axle]

True. Not ideal to keep extending open beta too, but it is what it is

[lime axle]

That worked out well in the middle of the wave. I thought anyway.

[royal anvil]

Agree but theyre not apples to apples. OB is highly dependent on development while Beyond is not. Beyond Wave 3 art is done already or at least near done. Its something that can be deployed faster.

[lime axle]

Sure, but if it was decided wave 3 would be near open beta, why not keep extending wave 2 to prevent this gap?

I get that no one wants to need to do it, but it's better than having a gap, right?

[frosty knot]

I think changing the ending date of a limited sale isn't great, regardless of the fact it's based on good intentions or a necessity.

For me, extending again would be a no-go, but I see the perspective.

[lime axle]

Gotcha, people just don't want to feel like assets are being watered down by more sales. I see, it makes some sense. I couldn't say which is better honestly. 🙂

If it had been known early on that wave 2 would last until open beta, maybe that would have been nice. Hard to change on people later though, I get it.

[royal anvil]

Honestly, thats counterintuitive to the overall DAO benefit. We want to sell more d1sks within a given timeframe. Now I would argue that it feels worse when a date is committed and we extended versus a longer sale period that was communicated in advance. But both approaches speaks towards selling more d1sks. Wave 2 was an edge case since Pb3 was delayed and we had a partnership promo d1sks lined up. I dont think an extension should be warranted again barring extenuating circumstances

I get that people see this as an investment but please note that whats good for a personal investment and whats good for the DAO isnt always aligned. We need to balance things.

[lime axle]

Agreed

Also hard to upset top spenders though

[royal anvil]

Its the delicate balance. But that is why we want to hear from everyone especially the beyond players

[pure pulsar]

https://tenor.com/view/cody-snuff-cody-snuff-gif-1915265731772664540

[hazy juniper]

I really hate the idea of 2 extensions. But I probably hate the idea of a gap more. So I'd take the lesser evil 😛

[turbid moss]

How many more hours left for wave 2

What extensions. Wow.

That should just cut it off.

[remote saddle]

Oh god not another extension plz

[lime axle]

lol, no one's doing an extension with hours left to go

[remote saddle]

Thank goodness saw the word extension and i thought you all went mad in here

[ionic stratus]

Yeah. There will be no extension thankfully

[royal anvil]

I think were past extending wave 2 a second time. IMHO, its either we do wave 3 before or after OB. Those are the only options on the table

[astral ermine]

Wtf man

[ionic stratus]

I still don’t get the confusion around Wave 3. Step 1: Delay Wave 3 for a time period that is considered reasonable to not impact/deter current beyond players (I.e. 1 or 2 months not 6). Step 2: Extend Wave 3 for a few months so we capture any newcomers on open beta launch and market IB to align with the influx of players.

[pure pulsar]

how about the alpha sale

[royal anvil]

Thats not the problem. The problem is current position is to not have a beyond sale before open beta. If we as a DAO decide that its better to push up the timeframe to before open beta the question of extending it is a non-issue. We definitely want to have a beyond available when we go to open beta.

Now if we wait for Open Beta the initial idea is not to launch them at the same time as beyond as it will most likely get buried under the marketing for Open Beta. This signifies more delay to wave 3 which can last anywhere from 3-5.5 months

[astral ermine]

I really dont mind wave 3 tomorrow or on ob launch. if you release it now it probably will even lesser sales than wave 2 and another wave barrier for newcomers so i would be for a later release to get much people in beyond as possible

[hazy juniper]

Hmmm?

If I were forced to pick one of the two I'd rather a wave 2 extension.

But I definitely wouldn't pick either

[hazy juniper]

I dont see 'same time' as possible in my mind. It's way too confusing for people entering the ecosystem for the first time

[astral ermine]

Another wave 2 extension shouldn’t be an option

[royal anvil]

Agree here.

[hazy juniper]

I absolutely agree. All I was saying is it'd be better than a dead zone. But I'd realllllly hate both options

[hazy juniper]

Even 2 weeks before is too close. 2-3 weeks after isn't so bad if it had to be delayed

[lime axle]

Would a marketing event like this 2-3 weeks into open beta be valuable for engagement?

[hazy juniper]

Thats the beauty. Wave 3 has 2 marketing events. The partner promo I'd argue is a much bigger deal than the launch of the wave. And so I'd be targeting the promo for 2-3 weeks into open beta

[lime axle]

Wow, promo is ready to go then. That's a lot stacked up and ready. Sure hope the marketing team is ready!

[hazy juniper]

I dont have the full details but delaying too long could affect the partner that is already lined up

[remote saddle]

Agree with this, we cant have a 4-5 month pause on beyond.. but we can have wave 3 extend into open beta.. feel like this is the middle ground

[frosty knot]

Few quick points!

• Development Teams are laser focused on Open Beta (Beyond Wave 3 is not on the critical path to Open Beta)
• Team prioritizing Account Areas v2 (Passport Integration/Migration) which is nearing completion.
  Significant step forward, marketable event for the Studio in conjunction with IMX.
• I've finished planning the Beyond: Set 1 Wave 3 delivery throughout the weekend.
• Art delivery is complete (Standards & Holo's variations, currently In Review)
• Admin delivery is In Progress (Data sheets being updated, Individual Stretch Goals ideated etc.)
• Data Team delivery is In Progress (Rarity, drop-rates, simming the data and validation)
• Design (UI) updates planned to commence late-Jan.
• Backend and Frontend commencing mid-Feb.

I'd like to have all ancillary tasks for Wave 3 completed prior to Web Team / Backend Team commencing work as this will expedite the delivery, noting both teams have high value work to continue with for the time being i.e. Accounts v2, Fuel Exchange Frontend flows, Illuvium.io Open Beta refresh and more.

Noting that the IMX Team are finishing development of the Passport - Deposit functionality (enabling player to deposit funds to L2 Passport wallet), which would be a blocker to launching Set 1 Wave 3 in Q1/early Q2.

Prioritizing Beyond: Set 1 Wave 3 above Account Areas v2 and moving it forward to Q1 will impact the time we have to test Accounts v2 in Production, as well as properly market and incentizive users to migrate to Passport accounts.

[lime axle]

So good to hear team perspective on the sequence of events, thanks Nick

A lot goes into all of this

[frosty knot]

In my view..

Accounts v2 -> PB4 -> Set 1 Wave 3 -> Open Beta Launch -> Promo Collection -> Highly requested Overworld inclusions ( 😉 )

[cerulean quartz]

what extra bonus points do you get for completing an album ?

[livid bramble]

Confetti

[meager garden]

I just want to say a few things.

To all those asking why rarity matters in beyond I ask you one simple question. Why should a rhamphyre be more expensive than an ophisto if the ophisto is rarer than the rhamphyre?
And I'll leave it at that.

Right now beyond has a couple of problems that we should address before we release any more waves imo...
We should take this time between waves as an opportunity to further the discussion and try to better the product and implement the necessary changes.

These are my main concerns:

1 - Not enough incentive for players to bond their illuvitars besides those on the top 100 and the ones close to reaching it.

2 - Disproportional individual stretch goals to accommodate for mega d1sks as well as standard d1sks.

3 - No consistency on wave duration.

4 - Lackluster alpha sale.

My suggestions for these concerns are the following:

1 - Expand the leaderboard / create two leaderboards (current wave and total waves).

2 - Tune down individual stretch goals and give a 2-3x multiplier for mega d1sks.

3 - Have longer waves with 5 months duration and a 1 month pause period.

4 - No idea here, for me I would just scrap alphas altogether just adds unnecessary complexity and ruins the initial launch party for all those who don't participate in the alpha sale.

I hope we keep the discussions rolling and try to make beyond the best possible product out there.
After all these are the best randomly generated nfts in the market imo.

[cerulean quartz]

haha no really ? Do you get extra points ?

[hazy juniper]

I agree with all 4 of your suggestions hahah. I don't think we have to have a 1 month gap between waves but like how it makes waves line up.with a 12 month block. But yeah splitting the leaderboards would be awesome

[meager garden]

I feel like the 1 month interval is very important for a couple of reasons.
It gives the secondary market time to breath
It gives consumers time to prepare their funds for the next wave, because don't forget a lot of folks w8 for the end of the wave to do mass purchases.
It gives time for a good marketing campaign
It gives time for the team to implement the changes on the front-end and back-end.
And it also creates excitement having nothing to buy and having to wait for the next new thing to be available

[livid bramble]

You do

[cerulean quartz]

ah how much extra ? Does it depend how big the set is ?

[royal anvil]

My take on this is to actually have no break and just evenly distribute the months. If were 4 months each then its actually better than doing 3 months with 1 month break in between

[covert ibex]

Rarity is only one part of the equation. Perceived value, looks and personal preference is in this case more relevant than scarcity and that’s ok.

Same thing happens when comparing the price of atlas vs other tier 1s.

Market will naturally dictate price. Trying to manually “force” the big fire bird into being the most expensive Illuvitar is unreasonable. Wave 1 is over and we have no real control over how many more D1sks will be sold in the upcoming waves.

[livid bramble]

I also agree with @meager garden that an intermission is good provided the time is well spent. It gives the team time to make sure the album is bug free and there is enough fun in the "game" to bring people back in future waves. I am sure marketing could also do with the time to bring in the target audience and it helps prevent consumer fatigue.

[livid bramble]

I don't know - could not find any documentation or some guide as to how the album completion bonuses are calculated.

So your guess is as good as mine

[covert ibex]

Imo one month break seems beneficial as Filow pointed out. More than that feels like money is being left on the table.

Waiting for open beta which can be delayed until end of 2024 seems too risky.

I don’t have any hard data to support this and is based on gut feeling.

[ornate delta]

Hi

I'm got a bit confused about the price of character why it so low, when compare with the box price?

[meager garden]

I don't think it's a good practice to pick the minority to set an example. Atlas is literally the one off. Some folks bought a bunch of it for speculation because it's the game mascot.

And regards personal preference I agree but I also disagree, I bet everyone will want to collect them all if they want to complete their albums. The personal preference comes into play with the background choice.

So what matters most IMO is their scarcity.

I don't want to "force" anything, what I want is an organic growth on the playerbase so that naturally the previous waves are the scarcer ones.

[hasty grotto]

actually what Im most intrgued with is not when wave 3 comes but what "More focus on the art" meat wrt Beyond ....if it means showcasing a rewarding more iluviatrs im alll for it there a a ton of stunning iluvitars that currently no place in album spots easiest to pick is the lynx line but there are others also

also the Team came up with "Alpha" I still think there should be a seratrate "Aplha" albumb with higher rewards

There is no secondary market ATM

worth speaking of

before wave 3 think we need clarity on what the extended album rewards are to make wave 3 boom 🙂

[hasty grotto]

they are the old rewards team been talking about album specific rewards mostlikely tied to ingame stuff

rewards tied to sleaved album elements

[meager garden]

ain't these it?

[hasty grotto]

no those are rewards for minting discks

discs even

[meager garden]

you're wrong m8

this is it

[covert ibex]

That’s what we all want and hope for

[hasty grotto]

sorry need new glass's looking at it looks like it might be never seen it before

but still to come with details my point 😉

[meager garden]

drone blasts and album skins are not from d1sks

[sharp sigil]

@hazy juniper , suggestion on IM:
Can you give a list of the top trending Illuvitars, based on their percentage price increase over the past week or some defined period?

[exotic mica]

Hey guys do you know the price of the Wave 3 D1sks?

And do you know when i will receive my rewards from the D1sks openings?
I'm near the 950 D1sks opened and never received my Wave 2 Emote D1sks, Wave 3 x2 Standards D1sks and Wave 3x2 + 1 Mega D1sks and as well for my Cobaltanium Drone Skin with finally the Squizz Diskplate...

As Wave 3 is beginning in 10 hours

[fathom lintel]

Wave 3 is not beginning in 10 hours, more likely in a few months. And you can't receive disk rewards from a set that does not even exist yet, right? 🙂 All these rewards will be delivered closer to open beta, and the wave 3 disks will be delivered after wave 3 starts.

[urban stratus]

I have some offers that i cant accept probably not enough on wallet or something. is it possible to delete those? abit annoying to think others wont even think about placing a bid because of it..

[lime axle]

Illuvidex shows all of these, but TokenTrove hides them

Not great, but at least not all buyers will see those false bids

[urban stratus]

didnt notice thanks mate

[south dome]

Chinese

[past tundra]

#1023944295583076352 has a Chinese channel

[astral ermine]

#1025478041192902767

i think you have to follow to ping these lol

[smoky verge]

The launch party says that I minted considerably less d1sks than I did (if you count the alpha's and such). It says 579, while the leaderboard app says 668.

If i'm actually at 668, i'd push for the 750. If not, i won't. which number do i trust? @wide swan

the launch party got a nerf where it wasn't counting alpha d1sks at some point so I'm hoping that it's not showing all the d1sks I minted?

[past tundra]

Makes sense. Thanks.

[slender jetty]

Nice update to illuvialmaster dot com with the promo illuvitars! Bags increased

[wooden ice]

Now you have me worried. Was fine with the launch party showing incorrect numbers. But the vercel app only shows 6 more in my case. The difference should be closer to 70.

[urban stratus]

i have 64 difference

[smoky verge]

I bought a few alpha and Promo d1sks 👀
120 promo's though and not even close to the 90 odd difference in Alphas. honestly i don't understand the disparity at all xD

[bleak crown]

Team liquid illuvitars are showing up 5x the value on IM D: code change?

[slender jetty]

[urban stratus]

i would be 8 disks short for 500 mints

lol wanna reach 500 anyway would make it easier given the time limit 😅

[topaz zodiac]

@smoky verge @wooden ice The team is aware of the tracking issue, Nick has confirmed that it will be fixed to reflect the proper rewards

#🎮〕illuvium-beyond message

[smoky verge]

So... it's 668?

[topaz zodiac]

just deployed it though we are still tweaking the code as some things seem off

[bleak crown]

cool cool thanks for the reply!

[topaz zodiac]

I am not sure without pulling the numbers off the block chain myself but it has been confirmed that the launch party page is showing lower numbers than people have actually minted

[wooden ice]

I know, but the issue for me is that the vercel app now shows a different wrong number. But I just manually counted 77 alphas. So I guess I should be good.

[smoky verge]

appreciate you! ❤️

[urban stratus]

i wasnt around for alpha is it only with alpha mints?

I'm guessing in 8 hours its over right?

I really want 500 mints would be a huge help to know how many i need to get 😆

[wooden ice]

If I had to guess, I think the vercel app counts my TL d1sks twice. So it probably got a false boost when launch party fixed that. But neither of them are showing alpha for me.

[smoky verge]

what the frick xD if that's the case I'm just slightly above 500.

[runic glade]

the leaderboard app is getting the #'s from the illuvidex backend.. so if that's wrong then my app will be wrong too

[smoky verge]

Torsk halp

[wooden ice]

Just a guess though. But that's the only way the math checks out for me.

[urban stratus]

can i check somewhere how many tl's i minted?

[runic glade]

i can write a script to get the actual #'s off the chain, gimme your address and ill get you the actual counts

[urban stratus]

0x47503e3e9979a3bf0d2ea7d33711924943abfb78

[smoky verge]

0x3d8bbd4494d5f0abb662a458c27629c8bb5a9b7e

[urban stratus]

i am kinda excited right now lol

[runic glade]

user: 0x47503e3e9979a3bf0d2ea7d33711924943abfb78 mint count: 428
user: 0x98e53a394b9c3b69470d7817be9893f19a941cc7 mint count: 510
user: 0x3d8bbd4494d5f0abb662a458c27629c8bb5a9b7e mint count: 598

[urban stratus]

thanks alot!

[smoky verge]

hero! 😄

So i won't be buying D1sks. that's for sure.

[urban stratus]

I'll try to get 72 😅 hope I can make it wish me luck 😛

[spare temple]

thats my fave number 🙂

anyone wanna Battle ???

[smoky verge]

please don't battle too much. i wanna keep my rankings 😄

[spare temple]

battle you have nothing to worry about, im so low, album rank is another story 😉

[smoky verge]

oh you indeed are close. But 97.75% bonded 😮

[spare temple]

haha yep, you jumped up since i last looked too, I could hit 80's but prob wont push higher

[smoky verge]

I finally bonded some second best Illuvitars xD

[spare temple]

nicee

for real tho, anyone tryina battle?

[topaz zodiac]

Will be battling live on the Ethlizard youtube channel in 4.5 hours 😄

[spare temple]

dope, i can wait :p

[topaz zodiac]

I can do a few standards right now if you want I got 3 to spare

[spare temple]

yea lets do it!

[topaz zodiac]

https://tenor.com/view/lets-go-the-rock-rock-go-rock-lets-go-lg-gif-18455293

Locked and loaded

[spare temple]

good luck!

[topaz zodiac]

same to you!

YES!!!!

T5 Chain for the win!

[spare temple]

holy shiett!!

thats dope

love the look of that one too

[topaz zodiac]

Still need it for my Album so excited to bond it 🙂

Alrighty this is my last one for now

[spare temple]

fasho thanks, hopefullyy i do better on this one lol

[topaz zodiac]

https://tenor.com/view/magic-cinderella-fairy-gif-14570671

[runic glade]

just updated illuvium-beyond-leaderboard.vercel.app/ to show actual disk mint counts from chain data for waves 1 and 2 @wooden ice @smoky verge @urban stratus

[topaz zodiac]

least a solid background on the Cara

[spare temple]

haha nice

yep funny we both got

[meager garden]

you rock @runic glade ⭐

[topaz zodiac]

Second that, love what you've built @runic glade

[languid star]

Any plans for all lynx expressions to be added to the album?

[mossy turtle]

no

[fathom lintel]

I feel like this is a detail where we should exercise our voting power and make it happen. Lynxes deserve to be seen as well and most of them are only showing up in 5 albums (4 albums for S2s and only 3 for S1). We would only benefit from an additional lynx album with 3 expressions, it would lead to some shakeup in the leaderboard + more activity in the marketplace for both illuvitars and accessories + more commission income for the DAO. #justiceforlynxes

[tepid geyser]

Just sent you another illuvitar. You deserve it!

[meager garden]

I must say I'm kinda against this idea and I also pushed for this in the past, the reason is simple. If lynxes get expressions added to the album their total points awarded would dominate the entire set and would put all the other illuvitars to shame.

[tepid geyser]

Good point. Might be why they left them out.

[languid star]

If thats what the community wants!

[languid star]

I get that, but then it's like saying Lynx lives are less valuable that other lives haha

[meager garden]

not to be bad but they kinda are. Lynxes all come from 1 illuvial

[fathom lintel]

Dunno if this is enough reason to leave them out. They are in only 5 albums while umbre and slashin is in 9 and several others are in 8, 7 or 6. And why should lynxes be the only ones not showing their expressions?

[languid star]

Theres a reason why those are trading for cheaper on the Illuvidex and partly because they cant be used in albums. I think if they get accepted into albums there prices will rise to where they should be

[runic glade]

Lol you do realize it says 'unwanted ulluvitars' and not 'highly sought after illuvitars' right??

[languid star]

They are definitely unique

[meager garden]

maybe their price will increase with other applications. For the album I think it would mess it up a bit

[languid star]

It would definetly shake things up a bit. Might make this time between waves a little more fun

[meager garden]

@tepid geyser is another ⭐
what a beautiful holo atlas

[fathom lintel]

This could be a perfect detail to add during the upcoming break. Albums are already templated and adding a new one should not be too much work. And we would be busy filling and optimizing those while waiting for wave 3 to come out.

[meager garden]

well I'm ready for it, if it comes down to it. Make a proposal @languid star

[languid star]

I could throw up the idea in #1020759212172775464 and see what the wider community thinks

[meager garden]

what you guys think about the post I made earlier, should this go to the ideas for discussion or nah?

would love you guys feedback

[languid star]

It could allow for more time before the start of wave3 while the community is still active with Beyond

[meager garden]

it's again one of those that I don't like for the beyond product but I like it for pumping my bags mix feelings

[fathom lintel]

You kinda right, lol, let me just remove this 😅

It's still a fact though

[languid star]

I tend to agree with most of this here.
As for Alpha sale, I think you could run it simultaneously with the extended sale. Those who want the Alpha stamp can buy if they want to that extra rarity, but everyone can buy right away.

When it comes to expanding leaderboard or having a second leaderboard for current wave. Again I like the idea, but what would we do for rewards if say we didnt want to add more ILV?

[meager garden]

#1134860049529970729 message

I've posted this a while ago be4 wave 2

I think now is the time to discuss this

[meager garden]

I like that idea for it to be simultaneous, it becomes optional and we don't have to w8 while everyone is opening alphas

[languid star]

I like this idea. And I know I've brought up similar ideas before about giving away standard d1sks as rewards. Like you mentioned I dont see much of a downside, but the upside of 100+ more people competing for leaderboards and bonding seems high.

[meager garden]

given the current prices I even think the idea was too conservative and maybe we could throw some megas in there to the higher places

[cerulean quartz]

why is there no option to buy disks with ILV?

silv2

[meager garden]

only with sILV2

[languid star]

ILV is givernance only and I think they want to keep it that way

[cerulean quartz]

silv2 i mean

[meager garden]

with 2 leaderboards we can also maintain like the main one just for the top 100, and the leaderboard for the current wave be extended to 200-300 or even 500

[languid star]

Possibly although I dont think thats even needed. Standards would be enough

[languid star]

Ohh. It should. Did the extended sale end already?

[cerulean quartz]

no it show nothing on the price on the website

[meager garden]

even small rewards are enough to engage ppl

[meager garden]

6 hours left

[fathom lintel]

It's still showing like normal for me, just checked it

[cerulean quartz]

what silv2 price>

does not show

[meager garden]

silv2 price is the price of ILV

[slender jetty]

Math

[cerulean quartz]

hmmm not showing on mine, thanks, how strange

[urban stratus]

anyone up for a battle standard?

or battles

[fathom lintel]

looks like the AI decided you already had enough and removed that option for you

[languid star]

Any way to search for listed Illuvitars with specific items? Like if I needed some T5S2 items and wanted to see if any were listed for a good deal

[meager garden]

you can search by multiplier % on tokentrove

T5S2 would be 18.75%

that holo slashin you got @languid star was one hell of a deal btw 🔥

[languid star]

Haha Right! I'm looking for another deal like that

Looks like Illuvial master just updated with TL prices

[tidal crypt]

Hy

[fathom lintel]

Thanks for the great info @frosty knot ! Can I ask for some clarification on this sentence? - "Noting that the IMX Team are finishing development of the Passport - Deposit functionality (enabling player to deposit funds to L2 Passport wallet), which would be a blocker to launching Set 1 Wave 3 in Q1/early Q2.
"

If this is something that is a blocker for launching wave 3, it sure sounds like it would be a blocker to open beta too, meaning there is 0 chance of OB at the end of Q1? More than that, if its a blocker until early Q2, and we follow your timeline of Wave 3 -> open beta, this would mean wave 3 in mid Q2 and open beta in late Q2 (assuming some break between them). And that is if IMX is on track with their development.

I don't quiet understand why is this a blocker though? Players already have the ability to deposit to their IMX wallet via both bridging crypto and using credit cards. Also, unless I'm mistaken they already have passport integration in Gods Unchained and that game is operational...

[astral ermine]

[runic glade]

yea ridiculous

[astral ermine]

i think that is even the best expression from atlas, i dont like the wink or brawler ones

[urban stratus]

anyone wanna battle?

[urban stratus]

and 500 mints

[frosty knot]

🫡 awesome.

As mentioned, we're aware of the discrepancy that exists. Backend component is complete and being deployed to higher envs, minor frontend change required.

[urban stratus]

what exactly is the reward for 500 mints? its an nft or physical plate?

[frosty knot]

Good morning @fathom lintel

Just getting through messages so apologies for the delay.

RE: Noting that the IMX Team are finishing development of the Passport - Deposit functionality (enabling player to deposit funds to L2 Passport wallet), which would be a blocker to launching Set 1 Wave 3 in Q1/early Q2.

• Wallets currently setup on IMX L2 ≠ IMX Passport Wallets.
• IMX are expediting this feature, the ability to deposit direct to a Passport Wallet.
• It's not a complete blocker (sorry maybe that wording was a touch extreme), but not having this feature for Open Beta & Set 1 Wave 3 wouldn't allow for an optimal UX.

Some wip imagery that will bring the Beyond: Album to life as part of the re-design.

• UX changes throughout
• New custom artworks, backgrounds throughout
• Highlighted Milestone & Collection Completion Rewards
• Clearer progression system to communicate how close you are to unlocking account bound cosmetics.

[astral ermine]

3 new leaks i think

[fathom lintel]

Thanks a lot for the answer!

[urban stratus]

the ado stage 3 looks insane

[urban stratus]

4

[frank pier]

you can also do this on illuvidex and hit the specific item

[tepid geyser]

As for Alpha sale, I think you could run it simultaneously with the extended sale. Those who want the Alpha stamp can buy if they want to that extra rarity, but everyone can buy right away.

I'm not sure I am a fan of this idea.
Alpha is a first edition stamp.
If Alpha/unlimited are released simultaneously, the Alphas will no longer be Alpha.

[urban stratus]

sorry you said leaks no idea on leaks just 4 i counted i dont know hehe

[frank pier]

I agree, alphas and promos should have a much shorter minting window to make them more rare/special

[meager garden]

my solution to this would be to price alphas at the same price as the unlimited versions, and just have the alpha sale on the launch party day

and as I mentioned I don't like alphas, but I know there are those who do so

it should be your voice that matters the most

[tepid geyser]

I wasn't a big buyer of Alphas during wave 2 myself, but regardless I think the essence of what they are should be preserved/maintained for as long as they are here.
A 1st edition needs to remain a 1st edition, regardless of whether we like them or not.

[rotund halo]

Yeah I never liked the idea of alphas but it needs to stay consistent for the rest of Set 1.

[meager garden]

they were 5x the price in wave1 and everyone aped in

we lowered the price in wave 2 and almost nobody bought

[meager garden]

that's why there are only 4 alpha ophistos 🤣

you need to carry us @tepid geyser

[tepid geyser]

1st edition of the 1st wave is a much easier sell. Thats a piece of history.
1st edition of wave 2, desirable, but will never be as desirable as wave 1 IMO.

[frosty knot]

Feedback from this discussion is a great candidate for the ICC, it would be great to have a clear understanding of next steps the community would like to see, and the timing is great given we're working through this re-design.

[fathom lintel]

I don't think we should be messing with alphas at all. This ship has already sailed. Every change we make affects people who already invested earlier, based on the info available to them at that time. We can't just be changing things drastically every wave just because someone is not a fan of alphas.

If we took alpha buyers money when they paid 2-5x normal price then we have to keep alpas available throughout the set. It would look horrible if we discontinued them any time before the end of set 1. I know there are not many alpha collectors (I am not one of them) but even if we have 5 people we can't just be messing with them for no other reason than personal feelings towards alphas.

[meager garden]

theoretically yes, although ophisto is a strong illuvial with hybrid affinity. Its scarcity might drive up its value

[meager garden]

this is not a matter of being a fan or not. I want the sale to be a success.

[meager garden]

I feel you man, but what about having them the same price this time?

there's very few interested in alpha at this point

[tepid geyser]

Oh it will, I think Ophistos will perform very well. Likely the best from wave 2, but in spite of it's rarity I do think Rhamphyre will still outperform it.
I could be wrong though, obviously 😜

[fathom lintel]

This would make alpha buyers of earlier waves question why they had to pay 2-5x earlier when everyone could just buy them for the same price now

[meager garden]

if they were the same price even I would buy them

they paid for those previous waves

OGs

just don't sell them cheap...

the current prices i'm seeing for wave 2 are laughable

ppl are selling themselves short

[fathom lintel]

I agree and I think we can admit that alphas were not the success we thought they will be. We can discuss removing them at the end of the set, and having the whole alpha concept as something that was limited to set 1, making them more of a collectible item (as they were intended to be). But changing buying parameters from wave to wave is not the solution, imo

[meager garden]

I think this is the wave to hit home run, since we will be releasing the game along with it

maybe if they were the same price they would be a success

and we could keep this idea for future sets

1 day of pure madness buying

that would be fun

[rotund halo]

I think the keys to Wave 3 success is going to be: (1) when it starts, (2) how long it runs, (3) what partnerships it has

For (1) sooner is better.
For (2) longer is better.
(3) is up to the team obviously.

I think the second point would trump the first for me because we definitely need at least a few months for newbies to onboard after OB.

[languid star]

Alpha will still be Alpha. It'll have the Alpha stamp and come from a more expensive Alpha d1sk. I dont think the fact that you can open non-alphas 48 hours earlier takes away from the Alphas. But then again I wasnt really suggesting this, just throwing out the idea.

[astral ermine]

Only 14 People can complete all albums with only these few rare ophistos

[languid star]

How many Rhamphyres?

[astral ermine]

22

[languid star]

Are these just whats on the market?

[astral ermine]

all that are minted so far

[languid star]

That doesnt seem right. Pretty sure there are a lot more Rhamphyres

[astral ermine]

oh thats only the rare ones

[astral ermine]

228 in total

[languid star]

That makes more sense

So how many total Ophistos?

[astral ermine]

146

[meager garden]

ophisto is officially the rarest illuvitar

less than 3 hours to close wave 2

[runic glade]

there's like 12k+ unopened wave 2 disks, some ophistos are hiding there

[meager garden]

true but there are also unopened wave 1 so

[runic glade]

kinda makes sense though with the huge incentive to buy standards instead of megas this wave

[sharp sigil]

Do you think that we will have 80 more ophisto from 12k unopened standard d1sks ?

[runic glade]

hah no way

[sharp sigil]

And there are more than 7k unopened wave 1 mega d1sks as compare to less than 2k wave 2 mega d1sks

[runic glade]

i think 12k std disks is around 4 ophistos?

12k x 0.4% x 7.7%

[meager garden]

yeah this wave is rarer cause everyone aped the standards for the bonuses

t0 flood

we really need to give bonus points on the goals for the megas next wave

[urban stratus]

so standard battle? had to mint alot to reach 500

[spare temple]

@topaz zodiac is the stream on? cant find it

[topaz zodiac]

Technical difficulties, had to be postponed

but next week is on!

https://tenor.com/view/donkey-kong-gif-22546926

[spare temple]

gotcha no worries

[surreal pecan]

Totally agree- would love to see the rewards based on the cost of the disks rather than the number of disks

[wet solstice]

can you guys check my offer on the beyond dex i need to sell within like 40 min

[astral ermine]

Finally over

[smoky verge]

I want ador alright

[wet solstice]

I made the purchase of another disc within 30 seconds of it closing

[wide swan]

I gotta another 2 up my sleeve Rogier shared

sooon

Red panda

and Aaron monkey

[wet solstice]

When will the rewards for this wave come out? im guessing after alpha of the next wave?

[astral ermine]

Phosphorus for wave 3?

[surreal pecan]

Looks like discs will come after launch of wave 3, and the skins and boards closer to open beta

The announcement makes it sound like wave three will start a bit before open beta, but we will see

[mossy turtle]

I would like to see Ador holo, the one in the announcement looks gorgeous! But i cant really shake the feeling of it having a clam or a taco on the top of its head

[pseudo crown]

2/25
Ador Tier 5
Mjoll Tier 4

[signal trout]

i think the mjoll will look nice with a blue flash stage 3 background

[frank pier]

and related to 3 kieran wants to start wave 3 soon because he's already lined up an amazing promo partner

[slender jetty]

Any updates on the dequest reward distributions?

[hazy juniper]

Hahaha I think these are all excellent points and I concede my previous statement. 3-4 weeks gap is solid!

Maybe even 2-3 weeks, but I think those are fantastic reasons for a break

d1sk sale ended didnt it? I finally got the funds for a handful more megas damn

[spare temple]

standard battle up

[lime axle]

let's go!

😉

[spare temple]

thanks, my b 🙂

[lime axle]

haha, had a decent score on that one too!

[spare temple]

wow exact same tar/bg, what are the odds

[lime axle]

yeah crazy

[spare temple]

ugh low power boys, last one for me here

[lime axle]

not bad

[spare temple]

aight, hsppy with my aapon 🙂

cheers

[lime axle]

yeah, gg!

[turbid moss]

is it over yet?

Wave 2?

or is it extended?

[livid bramble]

Alpha = First Edition. It is by definition; the original first impressions created. It serves as a verifiable "original state of the Artist/Authors work" free from any revision work carried out in subsequent re-prints or published editions.

[turbid moss]

okay nevermind Wave 2 is finished 😄

[upper moon]

how can i start playing beyond can i join the beta

[urban stratus]

what do i do when stuck on bonding?

5 min like that

[languid star]

Is Alpha = to 1st edition? Or do most just perceive it as 1st edition because it’s the closest comparison?
Or are they especially rare?

I agree with your definition of 1st edition. I just don’t think Alpha = 1st edition.

[agile kayak]

I don't think any parallel is quite right for other types of products. They are a little bit country, a little bit rock and roll. A little bit first edition, a little bit premium. I like my Alphas, they are the only thing I've been getting diskplates made for.

[agile kayak]

You can contact #❓❓〕support if the bonding failed, they can help sort you out.

[urban stratus]

thanks panic made me dumb lol

[fathom lintel]

isn't the confirm popup hiding behind your browser window?

[urban stratus]

no confirmed and signed 100%

could anyone check new illus for a bonded axodon?

can do it myself sorry lol

a new tab fixed the issue my only one was scared

[fathom lintel]

you have it

[urban stratus]

thanks mate

[past tundra]

Beyond is not in beta. It’s just full on live. You simply need to hold illuvitar NFTs and then add them to sleeves in your collection. The more you have sleeved for more points the more total points you have the higher you are on the leaderboard.

[regal ledge]

Does leaderboard matter besides top 100? I'm like top 400 and platinum will there be any utilities besides topp 100?

[frank pier]

not right now, but supposedly coming

[tepid geyser]

I believe Alphas were fully intended to be 1st edition.
The very difinition of Alpha is to be the first.
If they are released at the same time, they are no longer Alphas. It would simply be a marketing gimmick and an extremely poorly executed one at that.

[hazy juniper]

Aaron was very clear he wanted Alphas to always be first as they are our version of first edition

@languid star

[livid bramble]

I did not see this before - the idea has merit. ILV financial rewards for Top 1-100 as is., and Standard D1SKS for ranks 101-200 sounds like a solid plan. Easily extended to a larger ladder as Beyond grows and always proportionate to the number of active players. I am always in favour of right-sized incentives for people to come back and discover what they won and at the same time look at what they are missing... It's a great way of maintaining mind share and participation. I think the rest of the perceived value of collecting Illuvitars should come from fun factor utility of the album itself, and completion rewards in the form of cosmetics, art prizes & lore drops.

[broken notch]

top 201-300 were able to award 1 missing inclusion from an album of their choice according to tiers from lowest to highest

[meager garden]

Yeah I agree with this, having them running simultaneous would be a bit confusing as well.

How do we improve the alpha sale then? Something must be done because we saw what happened with the alpha wave 2 sale.

My suggestion would be to only have this running for the first 24 hours and have them be the same price as the extended version. We should also put some kind of hard cap on the number of alpha d1sks available to be sold, this way it would really make them feel like first editions.

What you guys think?

[meager garden]

I'll make a post in the feedback-ideas about this, stay tuned

[languid star]

That’s fine. I agree. I wasn’t suggesting they shouldn’t be first. I was just saying that it was an option. And the only reason I said it wasn’t 1st edition was because it’s not described that way and someone mentioned Alpha = 1st edition.

[pure pulsar]

guys, im reading ICCP-14 as im writing the newsletter

"No further Wave sales are planned until open beta launch. This allows players to continue with the current wave to avoid a long gap between Wave 2 and Wave 3.
Additionally, the worst experience for new players coming into Illuvium:Beyond is for them not to be able to participate directly in the Wave they are joining and have to resort only to secondary markets."

this means we need an IIP/ICCP to launch Wave 3 pre OB, and the sale need to last long enough post OB

[tepid geyser]

With the launch of OB being a moving target, how do you determine the best time to strategically launch wave 3?

[pure pulsar]

make it as part of OB marketing activation

[meager garden]

I would say we have to make it relative with the OB launch like 1 month before

I have these 5 topics to make ideas later today:

Dual Leaderboard rewards

Alpha sale restructuring

Wave 3 launch date and duration extension

Individual stretch goals for d1sks purchased

Arena Rewards pre OB

[mossy turtle]

The Alpha's are supposed to be much more expensive, so dont touch the higher price. There is nothing wrong with the Alpha, just ignore it

[meager garden]

"supposed" correct word, why try to be market makers and not simply let the free market decide its price?

[meager garden]

last alpha sale numbers say otherwise

they should be expensive cause they are rare, not cause you paid X times more the price

[mossy turtle]

That is the point, be the market makers, and price out most prople,

[meager garden]

let's agree to disagree here, I'm a free market guy

[mossy turtle]

No, they are actually made to price prople out

[meager garden]

and clearly last wave showed there isn't much interest in alphas, at least for the current audience

[mossy turtle]

does not matter what you or i think, the right awnser is that they are made for whales and the price should scare prople of

[meager garden]

first editions are made for whales??

let's discuss this on the idea thread later. Have to do some work now.

[mossy turtle]

That is how the founders phrased it yes, or kind of.
And im not arguing about interest in them, but if there still is one or two who still collects them, why not let them. Thats why i said to ignore the alpha sale

[meager garden]

I'll just say this, the alpha sale as it is ruins the launch party for any wave.

basically the launch party is for "whales" as you said, or hardcore fan collectors

[mossy turtle]

last lounch party started after the alpha sale, so in what way?

[mossy turtle]

yes, the first launch party was

[tepid geyser]

Finally someone that shares the same opinion 😆
I'm all for free market too, no premium. Have them limited by time.
I don't think we will see this though unfortunately.

[mossy turtle]

If it started like that i would be all for it, but changing it to that would change the product.
IF there is one person who wants to pay the premium, and they started collecting alphas, we would destroy their "thing" by changeing the price

No actually im not all for it, i still find it a bit stupid, more that i dont care about it

[meager garden]

let's push for this, it's in our hands 😉

[mossy turtle]

no

[meager garden]

@mossy turtle m8 wasn't the price changed in wave 2?

now is the time to change the product, for the better

wave 1 5x multiplier for alphas was just pure greed and hype speculation

[mossy turtle]

i think so, but it did have its premium above the others.

[meager garden]

that we had to lower it for wave 2

wave 1 and 2 are gone

changing wave 3 doesn't affect them

[mossy turtle]

Why would we want to change it, those who collect these because of the premium are a very small minority, they have no chanse in a vote

[meager garden]

I want to change it cause I want to make it better, and engage with a bigger audience

[tepid geyser]

There was a huge debate over pricing for wave 2. The intention was to not have to revisit pricing again, at least for this set.
As much as I would like to personally. I just don't think it should be entertained.
Maybe for the next set after OB and set 1 is complete. We will have a lot more information then too and hopefully a much larger player base.

[meager garden]

making niche products shouldn't be or motto

[mossy turtle]

The point of the alphas is NOT to engage a big audience

[meager garden]

prices are the same, I was against changing the price in the past. I'm just talking about the alphas here

@mossy turtle you are aware that lot of ppl bought alpha wave 1 and didn't buy wave 2 even with a lower price tag right ?

[mossy turtle]

yes

[meager garden]

and why was that?

they were let down

[tepid geyser]

No I know, Alphas or not though, changing price is changing price.
Uphill battle. I really don't think many will go for it.

[meager garden]

Yeah I agree. I'm still going to propose it to see the sentiment

@wooden ice because I want this product to kick 4ss

tired of beyond being the black sheep

[mossy turtle]

Yes, it was meant for whales, and a lot af none whales bought, if i would have done that i would have felt something too, would not phrase it as "let down" tough

[wooden ice]

If prices change again, I think I'm out. Not that it matters for the product. But I would be a bit sad tbh.

[meager garden]

you paid 5x the price and then alphas were being sold at 2-2.5x the normal ones

that's why ppl were let down the speculation failed

[mossy turtle]

exactly

[mossy turtle]

They bet wrong

[meager garden]

this is exactly why we shouldn't try to be market makers and simply let the free markets dictate its value

you give ppl false hope and then you disappoint them

[mossy turtle]

no

[meager garden]

much better to be surprised then to to be disappointed

no yes, it was what happen face it

but let's hash it out when I make the proposal

share your thoughts in the meantime

i'll read them later

[mossy turtle]

yes, but its not the Alphas fault, and not the teams, and not the whales. The speculators speculated wrong, their fault

[fathom lintel]

While alphas are not perfect, we need price consistency, can't just change things radically from wave to wave. Also, council will look at the business side of things too, and even if we just sold 10k alpha disks, they brought in double the revenue for the dao. Earliest we can reconsider alphas is the end of set 1.

[meager garden]

I respectfully disagree with both of you

[meager garden]

It was 100% the teams fault on wave 1 for failing to grasp the public audience for alphas. They thought they were targeting nft whales but the matter of fact is that alphas are like first edition therefore our target audience was and will always be for collectors that love the product.
Secondly it was our fault on wave 2 to not be able to cut this price multiplier entirely because everyone was afraid it would hurt their alpha bags.
I'm coming from a place where I want the best for the product and not the best for my wallet. Keep that in mind.

[meager garden]

We 100% need price consistency as much as we need wave duration consistency. And that's why i'm not advocating to change the extended version d1sks price, only cutting the premium on the alphas.
But let's get to the numbers. We sold 20k alpha mega d1sks and roughly 20k alpha standards on wave 1 and we sold 1700 alpha mega d1sks and 8500 alpha standard d1sks on wave 2.
I bet with you that if we remove the premium price for alphas we will sell out once again the 20k megas and maybe aim for the 100k standard.
The math is easy on what would be more profitable.
And I think right NOW is the time BEFORE the game is released to finally get this product right and not after 3 more waves 1+ year from now when the set ends.

[urban stratus]

how much was an alpha disk?

i think pricing was good on wave 2 have heard that standard disk on wave one was around 20 usd which i think will not be a good idea catching new players

i am a new player so i would probably not have been this engaged with the 20 usd price tag i am not sure though just a feeling

[mossy turtle]

alpha disks were unlimited for wave 2, So there is a chanse/risk (depending on what you bet on) that non alpha would become the rare one it they cost the same.
Anyway, i will probably see your point of view when you have made the post in feedback-ideas.

[meager garden]

the price conversaton for regular d1sks is over @urban stratus we're only talking about alphas here

[urban stratus]

so what was the price of an alpha then?

[meager garden]

5x times higher on wave 1

[urban stratus]

im gonna shut up after lol

crazy

[meager garden]

and 2.5x on wave 2 if i'm not mistaken some1 pls confirm this

[urban stratus]

i dont mind though the change is special though probably gonna stay 2.5 though they might have dropped becuase they didnt reach sales goal or something

[meager garden]

since it's the only topic that surged controversy i'll start by making this one first

[mossy turtle]

It is a really hard topic, since the alpha collectors is a really small minority of people. so we need to take that into account

[frank pier]

personally, alphas mean nothing to me, but if they are at the same price at issue or secondary, yes I buy alphas over non-alphas for the potential extra perceived value, which right now is still in the secondary and could grow more in the future...you never know what all of a sudden becomes important or hot 😉
I also thought they should have a point bonus vs the non-alpha to entice the leaderboard people to consider them.

[mossy turtle]

No, the team clearly stated the alphas does not give you something that non alpha does. So that should not be changed.
plus, it could turn out like the comparison of wave 1 & 2, many thought that wave 1 would be the rarest one, so they got into that wave hard, witch made wave 2 more rare, so could non alphas become more rare than alphas if this were changed

[meager garden]

I agree with you on not giving alpha bonuses. But regarding the waves rarity I think it goes even a bit more deep than that. We had a wave with double the duration and less sales than wave 1 yes. But it was even worse because of the individual stretch goals and everyone focusing on buying standards which only give 1 illuvitar from the current wave vs megas that give 2. We got T0 flooded once again

[mossy turtle]

Free market? 😅

[meager garden]

you'll see m8, let's make beyond great again

[mossy turtle]

I think that its already great, and we should not try to fit Beyond into OB, we should try to fit OB into Beyond waves

[meager garden]

I think it can still do better, and I don't agree we should try to fit the OB with the beyond but the other way around. OW is the main game not beyond.

[mossy turtle]

https://tenor.com/view/crazy-cat-mushroom-dance-gif-25197583

No i was not entirely serious about fitting OB into the beyond waves, but it is easier to do than the other way around

[fathom lintel]

If you look at the market there is a clear price premium on alphas. This means that collectors during the last 9 months decided to pay more for the privilege of owning them. (there is your free market in action!). And if I were spending extra on them I would do it with the expectation of maintaining this exclusivity in future waves.

Your intention of selling alphas for the same price would screw all these people as this would dilute alphas big time, everyone with budget would just ape into them for the same price.

And your assumption here is flawed: "I bet with you that if we remove the premium price for alphas we will sell out once again the 20k megas and maybe aim for the 100k standard.
The math is easy on what would be more profitable."

This increased income from alpha sales could just be deducted from normal sales later. So no, the math is far from clear on this one 🙂

[meager garden]

it would absolutely not screw anyone because their perceived value is still the same be it you bought them for 2 or 5x more. The alpha sale is limited in time and capped on the number of alpha d1sks available. So yes I agree it can deduct a bit on the extended version but I would easily bet ppl will still buy these at a premium on the secondary market due to their scarcity.

[fathom lintel]

Have you checked your numbers though? Because we sold less than 160k wave 2 disks, and that includes alphas and promo disks too. Yet you would like to sell 120k alphas in wave 3 and still maintain perceived value??

[meager garden]

I know, wave 3 will be a bang chill @fathom lintel

[fathom lintel]

Lol, for sure it will be a bang, with all the extra things people can spend their money after OB. Anyway, I give up as I don't wanna spend more time on futilely debating you. Feel free to continue your crusade, my friend People will vote with their thumbs in the end.

[meager garden]

I know it will probably be voted down but it's better than doing nothing. At least I tried.

[frank pier]

so what would it take for me to buy alpha disks (and not saying we should do this just saying my opinion on what works for me 😉 : Alphas at the same price or slight premium to non-alphas, and a fixed amount, say 10k megas with better access. as I think all megas should have, and 20k standards and for 24 hours only, so there is a supply and time premium but not a big price premium. The other way they could do alphas is reverse dutch auction like we did with land, with a high starting price and fixed amount...that would maximize cash flow to the dao and create a real scarcity and also give valuable market information on how alphas are valued.

[meager garden]

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it's live, let the bloodshed begin

[neon tapir]

why can't I send messages there?

[meager garden]

you can't O.o

?

[frank pier]

what are peoples thoughts on the land zero bps for sale? I was going to buy some under $1,w hich it almost got to, but now has bounced. If we have 20k bps that can all print unlimited skins, do they really have much value?

[mossy turtle]

https://tenor.com/view/saruman-lord-of-the-rings-gif-20344416

[neon tapir]

says "you don''t have permission to send messages in this channel" weird. Anyway, I like the idea of not having price premium on alphas. Have burned too much on the first wave. I'd rather get alpha on the secondary and pay extreme premium in a market where illuvium has proven itself and delivered on the experience, than to overpay initially and speculate on the possible future value and hold for indefinite amount of time. I understand that everyone has their own perspective tho, hope the best idea wins.

[meager garden]

@wide swan any idea why this is?

[wide swan]

Its because he doesnt have Ranger status yet

[meager garden]

gotcha 🫡

[past tundra]

I’ll ping you in #🎮〕illuvium-zero

[cerulean quartz]

how much extra points do you get for completing a sleeve ?

[cerulean quartz]

they do if you want to get to higher bluprints, you need the lower ones to get to next stages of BP

[frank pier]

depends but seems like at least a 1000 in most cases

not crucial but nice kicker

not crucial but nice kicker

[cerulean quartz]

like for wave 1

[cerulean quartz]

Ah i see

thanks

1000 is pretty low

thanks !

[frank pier]

it adds up though when you look at all the slots

50x1000 is still really points 😉

[cerulean quartz]

yeah but balance that against the cost for the most rare ones to complete the set, like wav1, wae 2

[young tide]

The developers should make it a requirement to own at least one Illuvitar to earn rewards in the arena leaderboard, in my opinion.

[frank pier]

indeed

but those will also be the ones worth the most some day

[meager garden]

hot take: unreleased games shouldn't have the ILV token being distributed to it

[frank pier]

rather see them use usdc

[meager garden]

I would be fine with that, I don't want P2E webs to come devalue our token

all they do is extract value

my idea was for every account that comes test the game and submits a feedback report gets paid X ILV

[mossy turtle]

@meager garden if your idea was to be approved, would you want to go even further an removeing the stamp, or would you still want it to be a thing?

[meager garden]

remove the stamp?? why would we do that. It's what visually differentiates alphas and the team had so much work coming up with it I don't wanna mess with that for sure

you don't like the stamp @mossy turtle ?

I'm cookin guys, I have 4 more feedback-ideas but I must wait 6 hours between each one before submitting them.
In the mean time go check the first one I released regarding the alpha sale:
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next one will be to push for a dual leaderboard for beyond when wave 3 starts

[cerulean quartz]

Yeah that's true so keep them unbounded

[mossy turtle]

Just curious

[sharp sigil]

@hazy juniper , the estimated market value of TL rhamphy looks wrong on IM. Can you please check on it?

[tepid geyser]

It seems to be factoring in regular Rhamphy sales.
It has the rarest possible one at a little over 1 eth.

[hazy juniper]

Will confirm

[onyx briar]

We will work on getting this one closer to the mark. Neural nets can be tricky with lower volume collections. We might need to switch back to the machine learning approach if we can not tweak the net to better reflect supply/demand. But thanks for the heads up, and we will work on this.

[fathom lintel]

Why am I not seeing the value of my illuvials on IM anymore? It shows the eth value but not the dollar value since yesterday.

[onyx briar]

I have seen this happen before when the endpoint for fetching current eth-usd fails to return. Normally because the rate limit was hit for fetching that.

It should auto fix itself after time.

[fathom lintel]

Also, the entire field where it used to show the wallet value at the top is gone...

[onyx briar]

That is a bug we caused yesterday. Trying to get that fixed right now.

We were trying to make sure all d1sk values got correctly added to the total value which I think caused this issue. Working on a fix.

[fathom lintel]

Great, thanks a lot!

[bleak crown]

where can i post an illuvidex bug? something wrong with certain filtering

[urban stratus]

I noticed having only the newest offer on illuvidex while on tokentrove i have 3 and higher values just saw it on land not sure on illuviators

[sharp sigil]

"Maybe it's just me, but it feels like 'Banshee' is the only one putting up illuvium beyond offers. Sure, I see others sometimes, but 95% is just him" 😀

[urban stratus]

i have a few different ones

but jeah generally its banshee hehe

[meager garden]

whenever I put bids you guys take all my money away 🤣

[urban stratus]

i know i cant accept yours anymore lol

let me know if you want the vexed ryplance still though hehe

anyway the offers should either display highest value or all im abit confused

[meager garden]

oh I do, once I have funds again you can sell it to me

[urban stratus]

ill keep it warm for you and unlist same as offer .)

🙂

[meager garden]

I gotta start to learn with banshee on how to bid

[urban stratus]

never sleep

hehe

[meager garden]

I'm too generous

[urban stratus]

well i think like 90% of banshee offers dont get accepted

he does quantity someone will accept

[meager garden]

well but the ones that do are a real bargain

yeah

[urban stratus]

true

[sharp sigil]

Sometimes you get frustrated and accept one of his offers and its done... good strategy from him 😀

[urban stratus]

hehe depends on what i listed

[remote saddle]

Banshee has to be a bot all the from the volume and offer amount. Dont think anyone willingly accepts the offers most are accidents which sucks

[urban stratus]

jep

lol

how do you accidentally accept? you need to sign

i believe its alot of new players not having a grasp on value happened to me a few times before i knew master and discord channel

or need of liquidity

[signal trout]

i was thinking banshee it was a bot as within the hour of putting up a card or assessories i will have all the low ball offers

[remote saddle]

Driving hard to type lol but ive messed up and put the wrong number in and it auto accepted his offer. Clicked back in instantly and it was too late

[urban stratus]

hehe

so you relisted?

[signal trout]

i just wish banshee would except some of my offer i have put on his cards as he dosent seem to take offer

[urban stratus]

not sure what you mean by typed the wrong number

[remote saddle]

Yh was updating price and messed up

[urban stratus]

interesting

[signal trout]

what do you all think about perfectador always having the new listing? is that a bot thing as well?

[urban stratus]

i relist alot aswell

i dont check others unless im interested though

a bot can do whatever hes programmed to do so maybe

[signal trout]

the big differance is they are in the short term hold and flip and i am in for the long term hold

[urban stratus]

im here to play hehe

btw when is leaderboard cut off?

[signal trout]

i am not sure about the leaderboard as i can't get higher than 200

on the hole i like beyond and i think it is only going to get bigger once the game is live

i tried PVP and worked out that i should stay with my strenghts and stick to zero, beyond and OW, and try and get the illuvials to sell to the PVP players

[meager garden]

another idea is out! Go check it out and give your feedback
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participation is very important guys

[signal trout]

i am looking forward to the town hall on friday about zero

[urban stratus]

i liked the repeating rewards though on minting..

[meager garden]

i thought it would be too much with the leaderboard, but the team might want to keep it

[urban stratus]

the idea with disk rewards i like its my 5th week playing so i'll stay neutral for now. the thing is if minting is over how would they fairly distribute disks? could be that they are worth more than 100-1 leaderboard rewards

[meager garden]

on that i just think we need to adjust de points from buyin standards and megas

[urban stratus]

just what i thought of right now

stopped minting megas when i noticed

[meager garden]

yeah it was a shame we didn't implement it be4 wave 2

megas are so much fun tho

they make opening standards boring 😅

[signal trout]

true, but opening a std and getting a T5 s3 accessories is quite a buzz

as you can flip it and get a lot of play money to muck around with in market place

as that is what i have been doing the last 2 weeks but need to pull anohter one as the funds are running low 🙂

[signal trout]

i am see why you are asking as you right up there, i hope you hold your spot and get some rewards

[meager garden]

looking forward for more feedback on the #1020759212172775464

[urban stratus]

i think i made it this week

went crazy hehe

to reach it

[signal trout]

i hope you do

[urban stratus]

thx

[signal trout]

i thought about going for it, but i think i would be struggling to hold a good position

[urban stratus]

im here to play

lol

[signal trout]

as i am too much of a sucker when it comes to buying alphas

[urban stratus]

i am sucker for disks

[signal trout]

i hope you bought up as it is addictive and a long time between now and the next wave 🙂

[topaz zodiac]

hopefully not too long!

[signal trout]

i bought a couple for when the addiction bug kicks in

[urban stratus]

opened all

[signal trout]

in the mean time it would be good to get another beyond comp going as i really enjoyed the one johnny did on X as i didnt win but it was a lot of fun trying to come up with something interesting

[topaz zodiac]

Planning to run one next week - #CrimesAgainstIlluvitars I am looking forward to the results 😉

[signal trout]

ok cool i will defanility keep an eye out for it

it that with johnny or you artemis

[topaz zodiac]

With me

I am working with Ethlizards on some BITB content and we're going to have weekly contests going forward with Illuvitars and D1sks to win

similar to the X contest I am currently running

[signal trout]

ok cool i will jump on now and follow

i checked and already follwing so i am ready to go

[topaz zodiac]

https://tenor.com/view/awesome-possum-awesome-possum-hang-swing-gif-4153264

[signal trout]

i will have to start looking up old school criminal cartoons charactors and see if i can come up with a creative art cross over

[gilded sage]

will scarabok be part of wave 3? recently discovered hes one of my faves and works well in the arena w atlas too

[hazy juniper]

@turbid yacht

[alpine dew]

I cant even find the launch party page on website, ux needs help

i guess its because the sell is over but i wanna see what i earned from minting disks

[wide swan]

It’s getting fixed

Report the bug though ser please

[meager garden]

I've made some adjustments to the dual leaderboard proposal after some feedback, check it out guys
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[cerulean quartz]

who looks after iluvialmaster ? It seems to be having issues over last few days, I cannot click on pic to see data, any one else ? @hazy juniper

thanks

[sharp sigil]

Same here

[cerulean quartz]

ah whom manages it ?

[hazy juniper]

It is being worked on

they are aware of the issues, won't take them long

[cerulean quartz]

cheers

[sharp sigil]

I believe they have done major changes to IM recently and those bugs are because of that. They must be aware of all the issues and might be fixing them as we speak

[hazy juniper]

More or less

Dont wanna start just tagging people but Sky, Artemis, Kfue, Martini and Logos all work there

Sky and Kfue would be the ones fixing a lot of this

[cerulean quartz]

cool, BTW its wierd but on some times i cannot accpet offers on the dex, others are fine but some it says : Error
Something has gone wrong.

Please check your wallet's connection and transaction status.

For further assistance, please visit our support page.

anyone else get this issuie with some offers ?

[hazy juniper]

Weird, maybe they had already been accepted

[cerulean quartz]

still there and been there for a while, so dont understand, cool no worries

[hazy juniper]

That'd be an IMX issue

but yeah not sure

[minor ruin]

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[onyx briar]

I think this happens when the person that did the offer does not have the funds in the wallet to complete the transaction.

[onyx briar]

Does the happen when your not signed in?

[astral ermine]

not signed in and i cant click aswell

only on collection page, not on marketplace

i got that error

[onyx briar]

Ok I will fix the not signed in click today.

[meager garden]

another idea, this time related to the poll previously made here about wave 3 launch date
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[cerulean quartz]

No fully in I even accepted others but like two where no way

[onyx briar]

This should be fixed now. Thanks for the info!

[livid bramble]

They probably waited a day or two then made other offers that where taken, and now the ETH has been all spent and so the transaction can't go through. Insufficient balance is my guess.

[urban stratus]

tokentrove helps with that filters non eligiable offers

[meager garden]

only one down vote so far... You guys are slacking 🤣

gonna release a more controversial one

here's a fresh one guys pls go and smack it
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Let's make Illuvium Beyond Great Again!

[wide swan]

Rewards Distributed from 10/1/2024 Snapshot:

[keen plank]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/813013833400582154.gif?v=1

[past tundra]

Pinned here

[astral ermine]

tough there in top 10

@dapper coyote maybe time for some bonding now haha

[dreamy cipher]

beyond down

[frosty knot]

working for me

[dreamy cipher]

it's been on and off lately. lots of errors

[obsidian dune]

seems like vercel is having problems left and right, so i guess that's why its broken a bit atm

[astral ermine]

works for me too

[frosty knot]

Ill raise it, and investigate if it's our side

Nps

[dreamy cipher]

ty. I am able to get in now. This just happens periodically

[obsidian dune]

everything on vercel is having 500, so that's probably why

[frosty knot]

Confirming I've raised with Vercel

[latent willow]

Why is it Impossible to bond near the Snapshot 😦 just got taken out of payed positions, i have all i need to bond and get back on the lewderboard but the game doesnt let me select illuvitars 😭

[latent willow]

Just slightly 😬

[hazy juniper]

Damn what's that website again

[hazy juniper]

Can u tell me like I'm 5