🎮〕illuvium-beyond

[pastel bison]

swings and roundabouts

[fathom lintel]

Yep, I shall have my great run one of these waves 🙂

[pastel bison]

I can't decide where to focus for Wave 2 ... Standards, Megas, Alphas... decisions decisions.

[fathom lintel]

It's gotta be a mix I think

More normals than alphas for me

[pastel bison]

Yeah definitely a mix, but mostly how much is that mix Alphas

[fathom lintel]

Guess we need to keep an eye on sales numbers

And scoop some last min disks if the sales are lower than wave 1

[pastel bison]

Given how many I've bought at huge markups post sale ... definitely this 🙂

I need to build up a large enough stockpile to satisy my opening cravings 😉

[fathom lintel]

It makes sense to keep buying when you keep making a profit - even with the higher prices

[pastel bison]

a profit on paper but I imagine the lowe to mid range stuff will be a long long time in the selling

but hey, just another way to show faith in our long term vision

[fathom lintel]

Exactly, I have been buying up low and mid cards and happy to hold them for what I estimate to be a good profit down the line, not going anywhere anytime soon

Guessing it's the same for you 🙂

These early cards should bankroll set2 sales

[pastel bison]

I haven't bought many direct, mostly just stuff with Galaxy ILV backgrounds, or where I see a really good bargain

[fathom lintel]

I always keep some liquid to pick up good bargains, scored some really nice holo promos the last few days

[pastel bison]

land seems super cheap at the moment, bad timing with Wave 2 coming up

competing for funds

[fathom lintel]

That too, very tempting but I already have 1 of each regions so will resist

[pastel bison]

I picked up a T4 with an okay Fuel balance (no 1 ofs) for under 6 ETH pretty happy

Landmark isn't a great match, but still seems like a bargain

Anyway wrong channel... another 20 to open ... lets go!!

First one:

Not sure if it is valued that high, but long term ...

[fathom lintel]

Yes, maybe not a fast sale but will be valuable

[pastel bison]

A few decent hits, but definitely a loss on that 20

Anyway, coffee break over I had better get back to work!

[hasty grotto]

wave 2 is looking sick based on K's test openings even the T0 were sick

have you sought help yet with this addiction ???

[echo gazelle]

Did you get more value than you put in?

[hasty grotto]

are we gonna get any more info on the soulbound bonus's before the start of Wave2?

[frosty knot]

I'd love to share what we have in-store, it's with Kieran and Rich currently

[hasty grotto]

look forward to it

[frosty knot]

Hey Team, just wanting to make it known that the GameStop D1SKPLATES are now being printed.

There was a total of 111 Holo D1SKPLATES and 193 Non-Holo D1SKPLATES claimed.

[echo gazelle]

The disk battle hyped me up a bit

Wave 2 looks better than wave 1 in my opinion

Better designs
Better pricing
Better weighting
Alpha stamps

Clearly a lot of improvements have been made

[keen forum]

Hi! Wich Was the reward for wave 1 if buy X Numbers of disk ?

[frosty knot]

Hey mate, if you dive on the Illuvidex and head to the Launch Party Page you can see the rewards you've unlocked

Hit "All Completed Goals"

[calm cedar]

This is the load volume for the past day. It seems Johnny is running the market 😄

Standard D1sk 3983 (-10)
Mega D1sk 1593 (-15)
Alpha Standard D1sk 4489 (0)
Alpha Mega D1sk 6006 (-11)
GameStop Promo D1SK 2642 (-8)

Total D1sks 18713 (-44)
Time Period 24 hours

[hasty grotto]

just wondering is the water bufallo deliberatly spelt wrong in wave 2 the correct spelling is "Carabao"

[smoky verge]

I imagine adding a cow to the illuvials would be slightly disappointing.
This is not a carabao, it is a poison illuvial named Caradulo 👍

Just like slashin isnt called Penguin 3

[hasty grotto]

a well thought through answer .....lol

[keen forum]

When is the stram about wave 2 today ?

[keen forum]

Hi, may i ask you your prevision about how many fuel a t1 land can produce, and how many can i earn from it daily ? Of course no one can know it, i have to decide how many invest between land and wave 2 disk

[royal anvil]

Its based of the martial weapon dulo-dulo and carabao. So Caradulo

[delicate delta]

Is this D1SK Battle available to watch anywhere? 😄

[wide swan]

No ser, sorry wasnt recorded...

but

[pastel bison]

@wide swan you missed my openings this morning (my time)

[pastel bison]

you will be very jealous

[wide swan]

Do I even want to know?

[pastel bison]

scroll up

thats not them keep scrolling

[wide swan]

100x better than any Rhamphyre @late cradle got hahahaha

And Alpha

amazing

[pastel bison]

the one above it is pretty ncie too

I mean not the same level of nice, but still pretty nice

[wide swan]

Yeah I think the Growling is the super rare one, like supply wise

But still nice

[pastel bison]

yes this is the middle level of expression

[wide swan]

I'm just happy the Rhamphyre had a nice bg

[pastel bison]

still nice in Alpha though

[wide swan]

my addiction is being fed on test net currently... but it doesnt hit the same

[pastel bison]

I'm trying not to test too much don't want to ruin the real deal 😒

(don't tell Nick 😉 )

[wide swan]

I still haven't pulled an Ophisto... so just know when you pull it, it will feel amazing

[pastel bison]

Well I never like Rhamphyre much, and pulling him still feels good ... and I really like Ophisto... so its going to be awesome

[wide swan]

https://tenor.com/view/john-de-lancie-the-q-star-trek-the-next-generation-star-trek-tng-hide-and-q-gif-20748781

[hasty grotto]

I used all my luck up with my wife in the shower the day before but still not a bad effort

[hasty grotto]

Now that makes much more sense to me and much more classy

I loved wave 1 cuz it was wave 1 but from what I've seen of the art in wave 2 it looking like Im gonna have to sell a well used kidney to splurge out

[latent willow]

How come atlas are 3/4x more expensive than kukkas and Archies.. they all are t1s1

[storm flare]

I think @delicate delta bought up the floor quite substantially from memory

[obsidian dune]

also, it's something like Pikachu, cover Illuvial so there is belief that it will be worth more in the future so people are willing to invest more into it now, as far as i understand

[wide swan]

Week 12 Rewards Distributed

[delicate delta]

I’ve also bought a LOT of Kukkas & Archies, there’s just a lot less people willing to sell Atlas at low prices so they are moving up much quicker

I think in 1-5 years time the thing people will care about the most as “Premium” is Wave 1 Illuvitars, that’s what I’m betting on and I’ve been happy to accumulate T1 Illuvials when people are selling them at a 80-96% loss on a Standard D1SK opening

I can forsee a future where Illuvium is successful and the Wave 1 floor is between $10-$100

NFA, just my personal speculation and why I’ve been accumulating 👍🏻

[echo gazelle]

What are the odds of pulling a holo?

Is it 10%?

[elfin summit]

1/20 if I recall, so 5%

if it hasn't changed since wave 1

[obsidian dune]

Yeah, that's correct. And it hasn't changed.

But reality is a bit different so for some Illuvitars there are better odds in Mega D1SKs.

[storm flare]

I completely agree, after seeing your comment on it awhile back i was kicking myself for not grabbing a good stack of each also while they were so cheap

[echo gazelle]

I see

[obsidian dune]

In Wave 1 there was 37% chance for getting holo in the Mega D1sk.

[echo gazelle]

You rock mate thanks

[tepid geyser]

Heavily weighted towards lower tier illuvitars.

[obsidian dune]

mostly t2, but yeah...

[barren linden]

Is there a portion of revenue from Wave 2 sales going to Rev Dis? or still runway? Cheers

[obsidian dune]

still runway, as soon as that's full, it's going to revdis

[pastel bison]

so what you are saying is we all should spend lots of money?

I'm in!

[chrome harness]

you very well could be right...and they are cute also

[chrome harness]

with the different weightings both with tier % and points on mega, it will be interesting to see how the holos show up this time and at what value...any guesses?

[pseudo crown]

Thank you, @obsidian dune & @smoky verge , for putting all this information together for the community

[echo gazelle]

Thanks @obsidian dune!

May I use this image for a X thread?

[obsidian dune]

of course

[chrome harness]

yikes, tier 2 looks like a lot of Lynxs ...are there power points somewhere for each illuvitar?

[obsidian dune]

There are 1350 combinations. So probably not.

[chrome harness]

but base points for illuvitar, ignoring background, or lowest background? That would be great....know soon though 😉

and thanks for sharing

[serene python]

I'm beyond noob... Where i See stretch goals and collection rewards for wave2?

[chrome harness]

none yet that I've seen

[obsidian dune]

not sure they are shared yet apart from this

[chrome harness]

supposedly better than wave one...I hope so..10% discount on shirts not much anymore with all youtubers offering it 😉

this of course is different than rewards for buying disks

[serene python]

So it's basically 4/6 skins?

[chrome harness]

but great idea

same skins as zero lol

just kidding

I hope

[serene python]

Zero has bp's for skins, so probably no 🙃

[chrome harness]

emotes may have value

[serene python]

You can sell them?

[chrome harness]

especially if they are animated

[alpine dew]

They are

[chrome harness]

we'll see. Most will be account bound it looks like. Disk sales should have something extra

[alpine dew]

The new pull rates are nice for wave 2!

[chrome harness]

much better, and the rare % in T3 and 4 look good too

and I like those illuvitars

damn hard to get the top t5 though....

[mossy turtle]

The goals for buying disks have not yet been reveled

[chrome harness]

they don't even have the timer going yet 😉

Focused on the gas wars

[mossy turtle]

Gas wars?

[obsidian dune]

a bit more chance then before but still.... very rare....

[chrome harness]

for zero

how to price gase for overworld

and benefits to landholders...or not

proposals flying around

and heated discussions

I enjoy our boring beyond 😉

[chrome harness]

you have a top three you'd like, just on looks?

[obsidian dune]

loulura top 1 for sure
umbre is awesome but i'm not getting that
quinx and mjoll are also super cool but i have to see them with different background

[frosty knot]

Leaderboard extension will be live alongside Set 1 Wave 2, finally I'll get to see my top 200 (hopefully) position

Noting that it will be opened up to allow for all players to see their ranking

[chrome harness]

I agree with all those. And if my off the cuff calc. are right on the top T5 you'd need to buy about 100 disks to get a 1% chance of getting it

[obsidian dune]

if nick is hopeful for top 200 then i'm not even close....

[frosty knot]

I have roughly 600k album points, I'd have to be top 200 I'd think

[chrome harness]

and rewards past 100?

[frosty knot]

Rewards remain for the top 100

[chrome harness]

hmmm

[frosty knot]

Looking at some incentives for those ranking outside of the top 100, but nothing confirmed

[chrome harness]

Nick doesn't sully his Illuvitars lol

unlike me 😉

[obsidian dune]

you should be getting tier 5 stage 3 once in 253 mega d1sks

[chrome harness]

actually better than I thought...thanks

@frosty knot there you go...a mere 253 disks for you to achieve the ultimate success on your draws 🙂

That sounds like a Tuesday for you

and that is a cool looking Illuvitar...well, so is Rhamp

[obsidian dune]

you just have to hope to get a good background and not something Kieran would get

[teal tide]

Will there be a claim window for the free disks from opening 250+?

[pseudo pagoda]

@teal tide only 50 disk to get 1 free disk

Had to be purchased from Illuvium not on 2nd hand market

[smoky verge]

Will the leaderboard look at the previous waves or only the new wave?

[frosty knot]

All waves

No plans to implement a 'Wave 2' only Leaderboard.

[wide swan]

Will be airdropped

[smoky verge]

Well then if we both aim for all collections we'lll probably reach top 200 or even top 100 😄
Im at 560K points myself :]

Will diamond ratings also change? 1M for the highest rank is a bit low if you take into account all the waves... will we get someghing like holo and dark holo ranking at 5 and 10M points respectively?

[frosty knot]

No immediate plans, but I do love that thought

[wide swan]

Adamantium - 5m

D1skKingzium - 10m

[delicate delta]

When D1skKingzium Ranger Suit

[wide swan]

https://tenor.com/view/strict-policy-mod-rule-rules-gif-25248268

[delicate delta]

Thanks for building my hopes and crushing them in a 5 minute roundtrip

[wide swan]

“Crusher of hopes” is what my mom always called me

[chrome harness]

lots of atlas for sale right now

just listed

[mossy turtle]

A long while ago when grant leaked borders for illuvitars, there were more "ranks", i dont know if there where official names for them, but i believe he said someting like "grand master" and such

[royal anvil]

Its for ascendant arena rankings

[meager garden]

so many goods news lately let's go!

[echo gazelle]

Are Illuvium Beyond wave 2 sales date in UTC time zone?

[wide swan]

22:00 UTC yes

[echo gazelle]

So the date in the announcement is UTC+2?

[fierce island]

The real question is how many disks is Seatin going to buy and hold for Rich to buy afterwards

[wide swan]

The date in the #📣〕announcements message is a time stamp that shows your localised time zone

<t:1692136800:F>

[echo gazelle]

Very useful thanks

[wide swan]

like this

[wide swan]

Hopefully enough

[echo gazelle]

What will be the weighting @wide swan?

I see 2 different information between

https://illuvium.io/news/illuvium-beyond-wave-two-buyers-guide?utm_source=discord&utm_medium=announcement&utm_campaign=beyond+wave+2

And

https://snapshot.org/#/marketing.ilv-gov.eth/proposal/0x9fcd5d0fc33adf4ac15e6a709db7dee93907ae5ca80091fe3b69711f051aa7f0

[wide swan]

this is a typo in the proposal as you see it doest add up to 100%

Its explained here a bit more: #🎮〕illuvium-beyond message

[echo gazelle]

So this is the weighting?

If so do you have a link to the up to date data?

[wide swan]

The ones in that article are up to date, its just how the wording in the proposal was taken and voted upon, some people misunderstood and even myself fully didn't understand how all the weighting worked but I was more concerned about opening D1SKs than weights the entire time and still am. But as I said Binet asked all the questions surrounding this in the exchange with Perry here: #🎮〕illuvium-beyond message

[subtle blade]

Any images or links of the new T0 backgrounds? Wave 2 info shows previous backgrounds

[wide swan]

@potent tulip can I show em?

Actually I think he shared them somewhere, Also flagged it as something to add to that page

[potent tulip]

sec

Offset background line

[subtle blade]

They look sharp and polished

Nice work

[hasty grotto]

Ok am I imagining things ? Wave 1 we got 3 iluvitars per disk .....If I look at the website we only getting 2 per disk now is my understanding correct?

[obsidian dune]

It was 2 per d1sk in Wave 1 as well

[hasty grotto]

gawd I m loosing it

[minor merlin]

That old already? I thought I was old😁

[hasty grotto]

I open'd so many wave 1 disks it felt like 3 per disk ....lol

[minor merlin]

How many will you open this time in wave 2?

[hasty grotto]

lots of variables in that algorythm

[minor merlin]

I guess I will get as many until I get my favorites 😁

[hasty grotto]

the problem is from what Ive seen of wave2 there are many new favourites for me

[storm flare]

Anywhere we can view those getting released in wave 2?

[minor merlin]

https://illuvidex.illuvium.io/illuvitars/guide

[minor merlin]

Yes got the same problem 🤣

[pseudo crown]

You may want to have a look at those images with all the odds 😄

[echo gazelle]

Thanks 🙂

I actually used this image in my thread of today

[pseudo crown]

Your (X / twitter link to your profile is not good anymore), I wanted to give you a like 👍

[echo gazelle]

Great feedback!

I'm sending you an Atlas

What is your address?

[pseudo crown]

@Steve_in2_futur

[echo gazelle]

Wait did someone buy hundreds of Atlas?

The floor is at $3.51 😮

[smoky verge]

Yep xD

[echo gazelle]

I mean your erc20 address that you use for Illuvium

[echo gazelle]

So that's why my collection pumped 🤔

[smoky verge]

You holding a thousand atlas? Lol

[echo gazelle]

No that many but a few dozen I think

25 to be precise

[valid sierra]

Lemme crash that floor, brb

[echo gazelle]

Do you want 20 of them?

$50 the 20!

[smoky verge]

no i'm fine. i have a few already 🙂

[echo gazelle]

Yeah I should start selling them when they're worth $1 000

[verbal glen]

Hi, I was not around for a while. Is there a utility for the illuvatars yet, or that is still limited to the "leaderboard"?

[keen forum]

to earn that in game cosmetic there will be a snapshot of the wallet? there are different album skin for example or just one ?

[obsidian dune]

Not sure we have more information on how exactly it will work.

But maybe something like: if you have the collection you have the skin

[keen forum]

Are the rewards calculated on the total points of the collection or if you have completed the various sets?

[keen forum]

Thanks!

[turbid moss]

!wen

!wenwave2

[keen forum]

i ask that because i can have 1300000 point havent a rymphfire, or i can have all the illuviatar but with 600000 point

[obsidian dune]

ILV rewards are from the snapshot and it's total points (basically the leaderboard)

it's basically what's in the album, not what you have

[keen forum]

@turbid moss stay for dark magician of chaos?

[turbid moss]

!explaindarkmagician

[keen forum]

?

[turbid moss]

What is dark magician of chaos

[valid sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/voldemor-harrypotter-mechant-sorcier-magie-noir-gif-12511017

[keen forum]

ok so for the in-game cosmetic reward, if i had 1300000 point with rymphfire or i have 1300000 point with out rymphire doesnt change for that reward?

[valid sierra]

No

[keen forum]

sorry man i thought dmoc stay for Dark Magician of Chaos a great card of yugioh

[smoky verge]

The leaderboard takes into account the point total that you have. So 1.3M points would probably get you top 50 at least and thereby 1 ILV per week.

The collection rewards will take into account your finished collections regardless of your point total. Potentially these may feature feature skins/vfx/drone damage effects in the arena etc.

They will be bound to the wallet that has a collection completed. So say you have the doka line and maybe that gives the Doka Punch effect, you would lose the effect when you sell a doka that makes up your collection.

As long as you have the collection finished, you would have access to the cosmetic.

[turbid moss]

I am not into yogi bear

[keen forum]

Very intresting, but in this way i cannot sell any in game cosmethic right?

[keen forum]

Yugioh is a competitive Tcg like pokemon or magic..

[turbid moss]

Got it

Thanks. Learn something new everyday

I didn’t know there was a person called DMOc

[keen forum]

To be clear the only one competitive game it s magic, but pokemon and Yugi are the top 2 and 3 collected card collection

[turbid moss]

😂 okay. Agree

[delicate delta]

https://tenor.com/view/bar-brawl-gif-11173234

^ Rest of Illuvium Discord ^

https://tenor.com/view/mood-dance-russiankiddance-club-dancevibe-gif-21421102

^ Beyond Chat Getting Hyped for Wave 2 ^

[pseudo pagoda]

Is any one lending silv2 for disk2 drop I'd give 1.5% return on 1k 3 month time ?

[minor merlin]

https://tenor.com/view/illuvium-illuviumio-ilv-yield-farming-gif-22225026

[mossy turtle]

https://tenor.com/view/i-cant-wait-trish-stratus-canadas-got-talent-im-so-excited-looking-forward-gif-25250750

[fathom lintel]

🤔 not to poop on your party but that sounds like a horrible deal, anyone with silv2 just needs to buy and sell disks and make 20% (depending on time of purchase) in 2 days...

[pseudo pagoda]

@fathom lintel that's what I'll do pay them back haha

[mossy turtle]

I know this was a question a while back, but i dont remember if we got an awnser.
Will there be sleeves for all the lynx's expressions?

[topaz zodiac]

Last I asked @frosty knot it wasn’t in the current pipeline

I’ve been holding onto mine just incase lolz I was hoping they would be

[mossy turtle]

yeah, im still holding on to mine

[chrome harness]

"Within crypto, virtual beings can be represented as NFTs. Historically NFTs have lacked the ability to develop identity and own assets themselves, but new standards like ERC-6551 give NFTs the ability to own other NFTs, such as a Lens profile, accumulate and trade tokens, and earn reputation from their onchain activities." Messari
Could be another way Illuvitars have increasing value in the future

[errant stump]

I wouldn’t count on that.

You may find that the resale price of disks is coincidentally 20% below ETH purchase price.

[potent tulip]

Collections can expand later on, but not sure about the lynxes, as its already 31 pieces now 😛

[rich elm]

Any reasons for the lack of marketing for wave 2?

Or is it not the intention yet to target more players?

Alsooo. WIll we get the the free standard and mega disk from the goals instant or later on?

[frosty knot]

There will be the standard Social Media push, Email marketing push, as well as Video's closer to launch.

We're also working on some larger activations with big discords in the space (but more to come on that once the sale is live)

[frosty knot]

The guys will get these sent to wallets that qualify during the sale 🙂

[obsidian dune]

There is also Affiliate Marketing for Illuvium Beyond IIP that should be Approved before the launch so there's that.

[rich elm]

Affiliate marketing is a good thing 👌

[fathom frigate]

if you havent collected any wave 1 are you still subject to participate in the leaderboard or do you need wave 1 still?

if i collect all of wave 2 will there be a 'wave leaderboard or overall leaderboard?

[smoky verge]

Isnt it a Mega-collection with some of the most common Illuvials?

I say we make it 93

[potent tulip]

yeah who knows, im not against it, i just know its not happening with wave 2 😛

[obsidian dune]

there is no info about wave leaderboard just yet and if it would give you any rewards.

making it per wave doesn't make sense as for some collections you need illuvitars from more waves.

[frosty knot]

No plans for 'Wave' specific leaderboards.

The idea of Beyond is to complete the entire collection and compete for ranking and the secondary market supports this.

Further, in the future Aaron's intention isn't to release 'waves' but 'sets' if possible.

[keen forum]

Some news about the tcg with illuvium beyond ?

[mossy turtle]

No, and i dont think something like that will be developed in the coming years. We need to focus on the main games and further develope them before we start building a new game

[fathom lintel]

Lolol, we are in a very different opinion, friend 🙂

[vagrant mural]

was there anything at all planned for alpha's? do they provide anything at all other than bragging rights over a standard?

[errant stump]

I made plenty of profit doing exactly what you are trying to do, with wave 1.

The differences are the gap between sILV2 and ILV price was much bigger, and there was much more interest in wave 1 as the brand new potential ccg.

You might make money on the trade, but it is a lot less certain this time. Don’t take it for granted.

[tepid geyser]

You may be on to something. Will be very interesting to see how this wave plays out.

[fathom lintel]

You still not seriously thinking that at the beginning of a new wave the interest will be so low that a negative 20% price difference would be sustained, right?

[tepid geyser]

That's not what I took from what he said. He does agree that it will be profitable but likely not as profitable as the opportunity was far greater on wave 1, which I do agree with myself.
I'm perfectly happy to be wrong on that. Would prefer to be actually.

[fathom lintel]

I was referring to his earlier reply.

A resale price 20% below retail price is not something I see happening

[fathom lintel]

Alphas were always meant to be just a limited edition, no additional utility is planned for them afaik

[earnest orbit]

Guys all hello, tell me if there is any sense from the alpha in the future, what do you think? Or is it just an icon for which you overpay 10 times?

[fathom lintel]

We can all just speculate about this, if the project will be as successful as we hope, then alphas will likely be sought after in the future by collectors. There is risk and probably a longer time frame involved

[obsidian dune]

Pokemon 1st edition idicator is also just a stamp. But it is value more. Will it be the same with Alpha Illuvitars? No one knows.

[past tundra]

https://tenor.com/view/very-special-limited-edition-swaggersouls-special-edition-one-of-a-kind-rare-gif-19673943

[earnest orbit]

And why would collectors need the same character just with an "A" icon if they play the same way... Maybe if they added an album only for alpha illuvials, then maybe...

[fathom lintel]

Collectors usually value rarity, alphas will be more rare than non alphas of the same cards

It will be the same with holo and dark holo illuvials in the main game. They might function the same way in a fight than a normal one, but just look at the price difference they will likely have

[obsidian dune]

Top 50 most rare Illuvitars you can get in Mega D1SK in Wave 2.

On average - you would need to open 104014 Mega D1SK to get any 1 of them.

*39th is actually two Illuvitars

[fathom lintel]

I feel like I will be due to open one of these this wave 😎

[obsidian dune]

Good luck!

[fathom lintel]

Would be happy with just a plain ophisto too, I'm not that greedy

[vagrant mural]

so from rounbd one, alphas have no additional utility but you think alpha discs will sell above market price? 👀

i get the whole pokemon argument, but im super disappointed with nothing else happening with them except "its an alpha", feels more like a cash grab on the alpha discs than anything else at this point...

[obsidian dune]

it's not a cash grab as you literally don't need to buy them as they will not get you any advantage, otherwise it would be pay 2 win....

[fathom lintel]

But why are you disappointed when it was clearly communicated from the beginning that they will have no additional utility over normal ones? You just wait an extra day and can buy regular disks for half price

[vagrant mural]

what can I say, a lot of projects usually reward their early supporters a bit better, I've put a lot into ILV, and no doubt its going to be a great game at some point, its just been one of the more disappointing projects I've been part of.

[fathom lintel]

I believe you will be well rewarded for being here this early, it's a long wait for all of us but I'm happy to be here 🙂

[vagrant mural]

hopefully! i honestly just dont see it for now though!

[fathom lintel]

Dunno how involved were you with the project, I've been watching every video update from the team and just seeing the quality of the work they are doing so I'm bullish but that's me, you need to draw your own conclusions

[vagrant mural]

don't get me wrong, the game itself and graphics etc are amazing for web 3, but are we really going to be rewarded that well for being early unless you own a lot of land etc?

[tepid geyser]

More about ILV and revenue distribution from my perspective.

[vagrant mural]

in what sense?

[mossy turtle]

you can stake and be rewarded that way, personally i dont like when projects kater to much to their communities. The more work they put into rewarding early investors the longer we have to wait for the game to be finished, and the more offputting it will be for those who look at the game with new eyes and see that they missed "the early rewards"

[tepid geyser]

The most rewarding from an investment perspective.

[fathom lintel]

It depends on the level of involvement you will have. I believe there will be good opportunities playing the overworld, especially at the beginning phases. Just playing the market is a good opportunity in itself. But these assume a somewhat active involvement. If you prefer to stay on the passive side, I still think that the token will have a massive run at some point too, NFA, of course.

[vagrant mural]

so what is the most rewarding feature (not in terms of a cosmetic pfp) of illuvium beyond then?

[fathom lintel]

You can get weekly token rewards for being on the leaderboard while holding early NFTs we all expect to gain value in the future. In fact, just opening disks were plus EV in wave 1

Alexa will be a millionare from his wave 1 holdings in a few years.

[vagrant mural]

not ideal ive jsut checked back to my collections and its showing no albumb completed and 0 points and getting slapped with errors, what did i miss 🤦‍♂️

[fathom lintel]

You can most likely fix that with signing out and back in

[vagrant mural]

so to clarify, atm, you can only achieve anything from ILV beyond if you are top 100 on the leaderboard?

[mossy turtle]

no, if you are in the top 100, you will get weekly rewards in ILV. but you can still complete collections and get skins , boards, emotes and stuff like that (account bound as long as you keep the collections intakt)

[fathom lintel]

Financial rewards, yes. But with wave 2 hitting next week, we are likely to have additional rewards for completing collections.

[vagrant mural]

thanks, i was referring more to financial rewards rather than account bound skins etc. Bit of a put off for investing anything more in wave two then for me unfortunately, but i do hope you all get something nice to add to the collections 🙂

[mossy turtle]

well you see, if everyone was rewarded financially for buying things from the dao, the dao would not be able to have an income = the dao would die

[vagrant mural]

not necessarily! not a case of i want to put X in and get more out, i love the cards ive got and have purchased some on secondary, even got my kids inolved because they love the art too. Im just disappointed like i say there isnt really more "meat on the bone" should we call it with things right now, especially the difference between alpha's and standards

could have been as simple as if you own an alpha of a certain element you get in game utility when you are around that element etc

[mossy turtle]

it was supposed to only be pfp's, and now it is much more then that, so i would say that it is a lot. Have you seen the battle boards? they look amazing! and im sure that if you have a collection that makes you able to use a certain battle board, that you will be able to sell that collection for a great amount if there is alot of people coming into the game in a year or two.

[vagrant mural]

which is fair enough, as i say though going back to the point i made, do certain collections require alphas only? otherwise they do genuinely seem to have been pointless, just my opinion 🤷‍♂️

[mossy turtle]

And it was clear that there would be no difference in standard or alpha, so we cant go back on that

[mossy turtle]

nothing special for alphas no, they were marketed as "whale collecting", and maybe there are whales who collect only alphas, but i dont know

[vagrant mural]

hence the "seems pointless" and a bit of a cash grab more than anything else!

[mossy turtle]

although, if you minted alpha disks, you will get special emote nfts airdroped when the game launch

[mossy turtle]

nhaa, not a cashgrab, not more then a lambo is a cash grab, a kia can do what a lambo does, but yet some people prefere the lambo

[vagrant mural]

i mean thats not the same 😂 paying 50k for a kia 1 hour before the exact same kia went on sale for 10k would be more of a true comparison

like saying an archie is a kia, and an elk is a lambo

but theres a 100k lambo elk and a 500k lambo elk

[mossy turtle]

well, if you missed this, then sure it is a shame. but that does not make it a cash grab. It is your fault, it dosent make you a bad person, it happens to everyone at some point 😛

[vagrant mural]

wasnt trying to imply it was anyones fault 😛 luckily i didn't put much into alpha's at all, i got a nice one from what i did, its just still a bit shitty that there is literally no reason to own an alpha apart from the hope that a whale one day buys it 😛

[mossy turtle]

its simple, some people whants to buy alpha = more money to the dao

[pseudo pagoda]

@gilded sage I don't believe after they applied it to the nft ..

Send a memo when ordering haha

Possibly they could put it on the back haha I'd let it for hype og represent

[fathom frigate]

Would be a good feature. For a fraction of ILV or an In game currency. So may additional cards that aren’t needed

[meager garden]

5 days remaining, where's the countdown?

[minor merlin]

https://tenor.com/view/time-wasting-waiting-patiently-hour-glass-gif-14424240

[gilded sage]

agreed and would be cool if the burning mechanic had some juice to it. Like burning to get magic stuff in exchange for overwrld percs ive heard. Or like morphing illuvitars for more powerful one while burning the old ones

[pastel bison]

I don't know how much has been said, so I won't say too much, but there is definitely juice to it.

[wide swan]

Oh it’s all well known, just refresh their memory

https://tenor.com/view/pedro-monkey-puppet-meme-awkward-gif-15268759

[pastel bison]

😛

[delicate delta]

Look Johnny, I don’t make the rules, this is a DAO and it’s time to Decentralise that information to Beyond chat

[pastel bison]

I think this is one that is notable enough to require an IIP, I wouldn't expect it not to pass, but until Aaron wants to raise it, I'm keeping quiet 🙂

I will also not talk about my plans for dessert tonight ... at least not until it is raised in an ICCP.

😉

[delicate delta]

^ This is what I know about Substance

• Increases Capture Rate of Shards (Important as difficultly increases)
• More Substance planned to be awarded the higher Tier & Stage Illuvial Burned

[delicate delta]

If you could throw us mere mortals one bone… what’s the timeline for substance burning implementation? - Pre-Open Beta or with the Launch of Open Beta?

[wide swan]

This is why seatin sweeping all the clown noses?

[pastel bison]

I have no idea. I play no design role in Beyond other than asking for things (and mostly being rejected 😉 ) and being an ocassional sounding board for Aaron.

[delicate delta]

Paging @frosty knot 🫡

[pastel bison]

I can say at a high level our focus is Open Beta for the three core games above all else, but that doesn't mean no other things ever get added.

[delicate delta]

It’s ok Johnny, I heard he plays hard to get

[pastel bison]

I would doubt anything 'substantial' gets done before Open beta. Whats the point if you can't use the substance.

But this is not in any way an official statement about the plan.

[delicate delta]

Clearly so we can enjoy the screams of 10,000 Kukkas burning

I’m ready to experience the AAA sound design

[pastel bison]

lol

[wide swan]

https://tenor.com/view/a-lot-of-news-breaking-news-proclaim-unfold-happening-gif-12381791

[pastel bison]

thats kinda nasty 😒

[valid sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/chicken-kfc-fried-chicken-gif-20486973

[pseudo pagoda]

🍗

[wide swan]

I would still eat ador first I think

[delicate delta]

This conversation has taken a dark & unintended sinister turn, I apologise

[wide swan]

I just got hungry

Midnight snack time

I even have some elk jerky so… same same

[valid sierra]

Just forward all the delicious looking Illuvials to #1023650971244564571 and we can grill them on the stream
BBQ With Dicks

That doesn't sounds right

[wide swan]

We still need a bbq session

I could set up the laptop outside

Or bring the bbq in my office

Hmmm

Decisions

[valid sierra]

Time zone would just make sure I can't see it anyhow so doesn't matter 😛

[wide swan]

You can bbq in the morning here

It’s America

[valid sierra]

Ok then bring it in the office obviously

[pseudo pagoda]

Illuvium ilove elk meat

We still hunt them here in pennsylvania in one county

[meager garden]

Friendly reminder: I've been setting some bids on the market, don't forget to check IMX to see if you have any offerings

[keen forum]

The speech on the first edition is that for true collectors a card not first edition and in excellent condition does not even exist, so if the game were to be really beautiful maybe the first edition cards will have a different market. I'm against that you have to pay more for first edition disks, it doesn't really make sense. That is why I will always buy illuviatars in the secondary market. The cards of the pokemon as in the various examples cost the same, the value of the first edition is given by the people, not by the cost

If they sold the first edition disks only for 24/72 hours they would have had much more income and collectors would have chosen to pay something more in a genuine way in the market, but it's just my idea

I have a question for the team, why is there this price difference? As a person who loves to do the first edition collection to make the collection I spent about 4k, if I wanted to do the collection on first it cost 40k maybe more

But if the Ratio insted of 1/10 was 1/2;1/3 I would have chosen to do everything on first, this is the long therm value for the first buyer. The few crazy people like me,The first edition should not give any advantage, it is simply a boast

[tepid geyser]

I agree with you. I'm yet to find one instance where a 1st edition is more expensive than an unlimited variant in any other "comparable" product.
I also agree that the free market should dictate what the "premium" is for a 1st edition, over time, it should not be forced upon the market by higher pricing out the gate.
Maybe due to offering the disks at such a large premium during wave 1, it's hard to offer zero premium for wave 2.
Quite a few people did say that they wouldn't purchase if there was no premium 🙃 . Seems some people like paying more for the same thing.

[vagrant mural]

@keen forum very well said, hence my comments around it... there just shouldn't be an initial price difference it doesn't make any sense (kind of why I expected them to add even a little bit of utility) One other aspect which I think of when people refer to pokemon cards as an example, is that generally over time 1st editions (or any cards irl for that matter) can lose quality or be destroyed and therefore they become more scarce driving price up, the only comparison with the nft's is that people lose wallets etc.

Like I say i just think it was a shitty move against the player base and something they should really rethink especially if they plan on doing the same going forward...

[meager garden]

I think we're missing the point here. Before NFT's existed there were no digital collectibles therefore every physical collectible was finite, so there was no need to have a price differentiator. We need an increased price because we can have unlimited first edition.

[dark onyx]

What ratio are you referring to here?

The price ratio between Alpha and non-Alpha is 2x for Standard and 3x for Mega

So for your example it would cost 12k vs 4k, assuming all Mega's

NFA (and no promise 12k is a guarantee, bad luck exists😉) , but want to clarify some ratio confusion

[keen forum]

As Alexa said some people having paid a lot the Alpha would have opposed it, so for the wave 2 I think the solution was a middle ground, for the third always my idea maybe there will not be a difference and you can buy only within 24 or 72 hours, and in the long term it can be a solution but for a Real collector all the collction must be on first, wave 1,2,3. And mainly the problem is that people who pay crazy amounts want to have everything of first edition not just wave 2 or 3, the wave 1 in this sense can be a problem or a great opportunity

[pastel bison]

The original idea for Alphas was mine, because I really love the idea of something being particularly rare that only those in the know/early days really understand.

I didn't think too much about pricing at that point, I can't remember who suggested original price modifiers, but I can't see how Alphas work without some kind of price multiple.

If there was no price difference, most people would just buy everything on day one, and then alphas are more common than non-alphas and it feels super bad. The other alternative is we limit them in number without a price multiple. But then you just run in to issues with where do you set the limit. Too high and its the same as no limit, to low and we have massive congestion, complaints, etc.

Maybe something that works with a fixed price is waves that last way longer (maybe sets not waves). So Alpha is the first week, and the whole year is non-alpha.

[keen forum]

You can sell a limited initial amount of disk only 24 or 72 hours and then this is the total supply of it, Why would there be unlimited production?. NFTs for collections are a big advance, it was the first thing I thought, there is no problem of physical wear and tear

[meager garden]

@pastel bison just awnsered that

"If there was no price difference, most people would just buy everything on day one"

[tepid geyser]

I like the idea, but 24 hours (Alpha) and 3 months (Unlimited) is a larger ratio than this example, making the current model more feasible

[pastel bison]

I just don't think thats long enough. I think most people are planning to buy a cetain amount and they might end up spending a bit more (cough not me cough) over 3 months. But not THAT much more.

There's plenty of chances to adapt and try things out. We need at least Wave 3 to close out the current Set. But the next Set maybe there is 1 or 2 waves. Maybe 1 day to 6 months is enough.

I think there is something to be said for gradual changes also. I would feel pretty crappy about going for the original price differences to no price differences.

I think its probably better to upset people via a small change rather than to upset them via dramatic change.

There will be lots of new data after Wave 2 and plenty of time to make tweaks.

[vagrant mural]

Hang on, so the issue was "we wouldn't know how many to limit the supply to" and the answer to that was I know, we'll charge the community 10x instead? Sorry but that's absurd.

The fact the sales of both disks are so close together means alpha makes zero sense in its current form.

You just stated you love the idea the idea of something being particularly rare that only those in the know/early days really understand, but the alphas have done nothing for those categories of players mentioned except strip them of more cash? There was no benefit to being early or in the know with the alphas.

Be honest, there's a ton of other ways you could have done this, but taming in moneybaeemed the favourbale approach.

[pastel bison]

Anyway, sorry if you don't like Alphas, definitely not my itnent to make something people didn't like 😒

[tepid geyser]

That does seem to be a genuine concern.
More collectors than people playing the game. Hopefully this changes over time with added incentives etc.

[vagrant mural]

Alphas are a good idea, you've just done it terribly and went against what you've actually just said lol

[pastel bison]

Every decision includes revenue. The main point of the revenue from Beyond is to fund the game.

The community are also the people who stand to benefit from revenue. Both through revdis and through the satefy pool being there to ensure the games get finished.

[meager garden]

it's a collectors game for now so it makes sense... Maybe in the future it will change but it is what it is for now.

[smoky verge]

Wait so you mean that wave 3 will have all the remaining Illuvials and thereby will close the set?

[pastel bison]

To be blunt there was a gross over estimation of how much woulds ell in the first wave. Absolutely the high prices with the idea that Alphas would be a really small percentage.

[pastel bison]

"at least"

[vagrant mural]

And no one is saying you shouldn't generate revenue, but as it stands alpha buyers got very little for what they've bought and they havent gotten anything for "being early or in the know" 🤷‍♂️

[smoky verge]

Thanks for clarifying that xD

[keen forum]

Many thanks for the answer and for your great job in Illuvium, I think one thing, if you sell for 4 days the first edition envelopes and for 4 months only the second edition, only those who strongly believe in the project and understand this thing buy the first edition, if you do not give an advantage in the leaderboard. Out of 100 people without an advantage, how many would pay more for the first edition? Most buy to get benefits and because the collection is beautiful

[pastel bison]

I can pretty much guarantee I bought more Alphas than you, I think I bought more Alphas than maybe 1 or 2 people. So I feel your pain.

[tepid geyser]

I don't believe that anyone dislikes Alphas, it's purely the economics surrounding them that is causing some concern.

[vagrant mural]

That doesn't mean that the way they were done sits right though, it's seriously something the team should be looking at and making changes

[pastel bison]

And we are, via the community consultation process, and a massive effort from the council (who made the decion not the team by the way), the price ratio was massively reduced.

[keen forum]

i love your alpha 😂 but not pay 10x like it's in wave 1

[vagrant mural]

Effectively saying tough luck all you wave one buyers, but, you helped fund us so it's ok 🤷‍♂️

I'm still intrigued as to how you think the alphas have benefited the early adopters or people in the know as you described it.

[pastel bison]

Its not tough luck, its trying to find a balance between making the product better and holding the value tha the original buyers put in.

Again I had nothing to do with this process other than writing down my thoughts. But the council put a massive amount of effort in to this.

They debated many options, had the data team running numbers, garnered opnions on all kinds of options.

[keen forum]

In the next expansions consider not to create a price difference for a certainly short period, maybe some people having the first editions will want to buy the others and in this way they create value, but it's just my idea

[pastel bison]

This is where the community voted council landed. Its definitely not exactly what I would have done, and there are many people who would prefer other prices and configs in both directions. But this is the how the DAO process works.

And next wave we will gather more data and you will have an option to share your ideas, and hopefully we find, through the process of gathering data and trying options, where the balance best sits.

[tepid geyser]

The main benefits being exclusivity/rarity and an increased price appreciation over time due to being more exclusive/rare (speculative).

[vagrant mural]

It is what it is, I just think if the devs don't change anything its already a bit of a black mark on things for me, ile already hesitate buying anything similar in the future, and that's not something you want before the game is even released.

Again, it hasn't benefited anyone but the team having people pay 10x for alphas, and if the game is only going to be finished if people overpay for something that is identical to something you can print unlimited amounts of, then we are already on to a loss.

[tepid geyser]

Nothing is literally "unlimited", they are all finite, the mint has ended and what is, is all there will ever be (wave 1).
The price ratio between Alpha and Unlimited has been reduced quite drastically in comparison to wave 1, some believe (including me) that we should go further, but as Johnny stated, "I think its probably better to upset people via a small change rather than to upset them via dramatic change."

[vagrant mural]

It was unlimited in the sense if people wanted to buy more they could, in theory you could have ended up with more alphas than non alphas.

They could have quite easily put alphas randomly as a drop percentage in one kind of disk with a finite amount and they probably would have faired a lot better in the sales and developed a more natural market for them. All they've done now is show it was pretty pointless paying the 10x and not to do it in the future

[tepid geyser]

in theory you could have ended up with more alphas than non alphas.

True, but that would also be the risk if Alpha were offered at the same price as unlimited.

Having said that, if we are genuinely concerned that Alpha sales in a 24 hour period will outpace unlimited sales over a 3 month period, that is concerning in multiple other ways.

[vagrant mural]

Jonny already said they massively overestimated sales, that in itself has devalued alphas to where they expected them to be (17% or so, therefore doesn't even stack to the 10x) and I don't think they should have been offered at the same price in separate disks, that would just be dumb, but the entire structure of that sale has failed really. As he said it was the intention to benefit early adopters and people in the know, id like to know how he thinks they have achieved that? Because ultimately they haven't and it was only to make 10x more cash for the team.

If they wanted to build a model around 10x on one sale and not on the other, give alphas utility outside of "mine says alpha in between 30 other variables in the marketplace

[pastel bison]

The majority of d1sks are bought by a small group of dolphins and whales where they probably aren't saving up their weekly salary to make their purchases. If there is a notable benefit to buying early I assume most of them would buy early.

Although I can't disagree this is a problem, I don't think its a problem that can be addressed prior to the wide spread release of the game. Kieran and the council have some pretty cool marketing plans to help address this, but I can't really think there's much we can do towards widespread adoption until we have a free to play entry point in to the core games.

[vagrant mural]

As mentioned above, pokemon card first editions weren't sold at a higher price, they just naturally become more sought after and increased in value for multiple reasons. That doesn't apply here.

[pastel bison]

Its not like this ends with Albums. There is a Beyond game being designed. If people like the idea we could make the Alphas play some role there (although probably not a power based role).

I mean some kind of flex to having one (or many) alphas in the game could be pretty cool.

Ender animations or something could work.

[vagrant mural]

Post 3rd wave sale, when the set has concluded, ile be extremely disappointed if we don't see something added for alphas.

I mean even if it is, wave 1's were still shafted in comparison to wave 2 and 3.

[pastel bison]

Well think of some ideas and get some people to support them 🙂 Or wait till my idea gets published and see what you think.

Even out of game I can think of a few ideas.

I don't think there will be much negative senitment towards getting some benefit for the Alphas as long as it isn't taking something from other people.

Which means its pretty likely some good idea would pass a council vote.

[vagrant mural]

We'll wait and see, i dont see how you can change anything with any ideas without changing the sale structure right now. If you add utility to alphas you make it p2w with further sales with the option of paying more for an alpha and people just won't buy the standards. Add utility to alphas and make them random drops in one disk, I know I'd certainly buy a ton of the disks then to try and get one...

Again, as you said alphas should be a benefit to those early or in the know, that's not what has happened.

That would also naturally give them a price point in the market and create a bit of demand, rather than just "I have one because I bought it for 10x"

[pastel bison]

In any case I need to go, but I'm confident we can think of something to make Alphas better.

[vagrant mural]

Hopefully and I look forward to seeing something changed! Thanks for the replies!

[tepid geyser]

I think that would be a great idea.
The same way shiny Pokemon function in Pokemon Go (battle league),

[tepid geyser]

I don't think they should have been offered at the same price in separate disks, that would just be dumb.

How so? What would be the alternative?
For example, a 1st edition book is offered for the same price, but usually comes with a 1st edition hardback.

Jonny already said they massively overestimated sales, that in itself has devalued alphas to where they expected them to be (17% or so, therefore doesn't even stack to the 10x

it was only to make 10x more cash for the team

If it was the teams intention/belief that Alpha would outsell unlimited variants 10x, thereby justifying the premium, why then does it follow that because this objective wasn't achieved, that the intentions of the team solely become about cash generated for the treasury?

[vagrant mural]

ok, in your example, the 1st edition comes with a hard back? what came with the alphas? (baring in mind books actually have a use case anyways other than being a collectible)

the intention was always to generate cash for the treasury, no one is disputing that, but you can still do that in a better way than they did, or at least rewarding those that paid 10x with a better product than was provided.

[tepid geyser]

ok, in your example, the 1st edition comes with a hard back? what came with the alphas?

Wave 2 Alphas will have an Alpha disk, the same way in which 1st edition books come with a unique cover.

baring in mind books actually have a use case anyways other than being a collectible

Irrelevant.

rewarding those that paid 10x with a better product than was provided

People ultimately paid a premium for the product knowing exactly what they was getting. No-one was forced to buy them. People believed that the value was there.
Everyone had expectations, clearly not all of them were met, lessons are learnt and things adapt.

[vagrant mural]

So wave 2 are going to come with something extra? At a cheaper price?

It isn't irrelevant, the primary role of a book is not just a collectible as these are?

And yes, they did, but decisions are made and things change, they didn't sell as much as they hoped because they made an awful system on the first sale. I hope things will change going forward, but that just means the first sale alpha buyers were shafted.

[tepid geyser]

So wave 2 are going to come with something extra? At a cheaper price?

Yes.

It isn't irrelevant, the primary role of a book is not just a collectible as these are?

It is completely irrelevant as that is not at all relevant to the discussion.
I brought in the book analogy specifically in reference to the cover only. No other properties of the book are relevant.

You also only answered my first question with another question, I would actually like to see what you think a viable alternative would be.

I hope things will change going forward

They have already changed in numerous ways.

but that just means the first sale alpha buyers were shafted

I suppose that must be just perspective. I personally invested into Alphas and do not feel shafted in the slightest.

[mossy turtle]

dude, think of it this way, if you buy an alpha disk, you get an alpha disk. its that simpele

[tepid geyser]

They demand added value, the team added it. Should be a positive.

[mossy turtle]

yes, im just saying that i think some people read to much into it. And the fact that we have alphas is to late to change

[tepid geyser]

I agree.
Scrapping them mid set would be a bad idea.
It will be interesting to see how people are thinking at the end of set 1 and wether there is a move to scrap them for set 2 or not.

[vagrant mural]

What value did they add?

If wave 2 are getting extra as you say, then yes, wave 1 got screwed 🤷‍♂️

In terms of answering your first question, apologies, personally I think having the alphas as a set amount as random chances in 1 type of disk for sale would have been more beneficial all round, it would have generated the scarcity and would have supported the secondary market demand pricing so much better. It would have provided a better ratio than the current 10x price actually being close to a 5x supply standpoint...

I get you've filled your bags, but we'll just have to disagree on being shafted, second sale alphas get more for less, so we've overpaid, simple as that, live and learn but it hats a black mark on the teams approach for me since they could do something about it but won't (for sale 1 buyers that is, I get they've changed the sale going forward)

[vagrant mural]

That's fair enough, but jonny said himself above the intention of the alphas was to benefit early adopters and people in the know, they haven't done that and now the argument is "but theye collectible and sUpEr DoOpA rare, but not as rare as we hoped 🤷‍♂️

[mossy turtle]

early buyers who bought alpha were benefited in the way that they got to buy alphas, that is what he meant.
And they are rare, if you look at my profilepicture, its alpha, and its 1:1

[vagrant mural]

We'll have to agree to disagree on that, I dont believe that's what he meant at all, in the context of the conversation.

[mossy turtle]

it is, i promise. 100%.

[vagrant mural]

Well I'm sorry but that's ridiculous, we wanted to benefit early adopters and people in the know, by giving them the chance to buy things that are available to everyone for 10x more than someone a day later?

I get the agenda that's being pushed. Buts it's either a piss poor attempt (which theyve kind of accepted) or just a terrible sign of things to come. With changes coming it seems its the first option and we just have to accept they've screwed us on the first sale...

[mossy turtle]

every one that bought during that 24H was early adopters yes, so its not avaliable to every one.
Some who whants to collect alphas, and some who invest, hoping that they will be worth much more later on.
And no you were not screwed, what did think that you were buying?

[latent willow]

Wen moon? Been a earthling for way too long 🚀🚀🚀🚀

[mossy turtle]

If you feel screwed in the sence that you did not find it clear enough of how the sale worked with expensive alphas first and then cheaper standards. Then i think its good that you voice this, but be clear about it. Because then i can perhaps be made clearer for future sales

[meager garden]

what are you even talking about? Read the previous comments and chill m8.

the only agenda here is trying to make the best games ever period.

[vagrant mural]

The fact that the second sale will get more than the first sale for a cheaper price shows that the first buyers were screwed 🤷‍♂️ it'll be interesting if the second sale ends up with less purchases as it'll also be a double whammy with less second sale alphas than first.

As I say acknowledging the problems and changing things is great, but that doesnt change what happened previously.

[vagrant mural]

I mean we've just been having a discussion, is that ok? 🤷‍♂️ even jonny has accepted things haven't went hoe they expected and things need to change, so unsure why we can't talk about it?

[mossy turtle]

No, people were not screwed, we excepted the price and we bought.
Now there is a new sale, we have voted to lower the prices

[meager garden]

ofc you can talk but I think you're making quite the stretch that's all

we have a DAO in place u know?

[mossy turtle]

a recommendation from me would be to not say things like "rug pull" and "screwed by the team" and such

[fathom lintel]

And what are you trying to accomplish by stating over and over how screwed you were? No one has forced you to buy a single alpha disk, it sounds like you may have overspent on them and now you can't get over it. Maybe you should exercise a better budget control in the next wave?

No one debates that the pricing was off but this is what happens when you are building something new. There is no data to base you decisions on. So you pick a model that you think is best and go with it. Then, based on sales data from the first wave, you adjust. And that's exactly what's happening.

It's super easy to say what should have and could have been done differently after the fact. If you choose to speculate on something new you should also accept the risks that come with it...

[vagrant mural]

At no point have I called it a rug pull? Do I feel like they've screwed first sale alpha buyers? Absolutely...

@fathom lintel of course they didn't force anyone, i havent said they did? And for clarification I didn't overspend, I was happy with what i invested, maybe you should exercise not assuming my purchase positions?

It started out with a genuine concern and jonny started replying and we got into a discussion, if you don't like my opinion that's fair enough so be it, but when jonny says (whether he means it or not) that the intention of the alphas was to benefit early adopters or people in the know, i don't agree they have done that, do you? And if they haven't done that, why don't they rectify it however they see fit?

Instead it's a case of "that sale is done and concluded, we'll just change it going forward instead". Hopefully they change that and he hinted that they might and that was that and inthanked him for his replies, since then I've simply responded to other people? 🤷‍♂️

[mossy turtle]

no sorry, you did not(it was cash grab). but you get my point i hope

[vagrant mural]

No worries, maybe the cash grab sounds a bit too harsh ile accept that, but I do get your point, and hopefully some do get my point too, I know it sounds negative I just feel hard done by that they have options, refuse to act on them, then provide solutions for others going forward instead for less than what we paid, I just don't think that's entirely fair when they wanted to benefit early adopters (or so it was said) 🤷‍♂️

[tepid geyser]

And if they haven't done that, why don't they rectify it however they see fit?

This was the justification for the "unique Alpha stamp" proposal that was passed recently.
This was a way to add "value" to the wave 1 Alpha proposition.

There are other ways that "value" can be added to Alphas in future, like the example that Johnny mentioned, special in game animations, amongst may other possibilities.

If the team works to add "value" to wave 2 Alphas, I don't think it's fair to view this as a direct screw for wave 1 Alpha owners.
Wave 1 Alpha buyers ultimately received what was advertised, maybe not all that was speculated, but that should be the buyers acceptable risk, not the teams liability.

[mossy turtle]

And too that point, there would be many who would be against added utility. Since alphas was advertised for whales, so that would be adding utility to the whales, and in my opinion, if you whant to be a whale, then you need to whale (pay up) 😛

[tepid geyser]

That's where I would argue that they need to be fair and accessible to everyone as to avoid being a "whale product" .
I'm sure a lot would disagree with me there though 😄 .

[mossy turtle]

Now i meant for the past sale, since the utility was supposed to be the same. Its fine by me if utility is added for future waves, as long as everyone is onboard with that

[wispy marsh]

And one for the road. Cha-ching :exp: :soy_hype.png:

[pseudo pagoda]

@tepid geyser capitalism or socialism haha@wispy marsh

[wispy marsh]

Getting some@xp

[wispy marsh]

Yhearrrd? 😄

They say I GOT BIG SOY CHUNGUS ENERGY!

[wispy marsh]

That’s what I’m sayin!!!

[vagrant mural]

Sorry had my fingers covered in kfc chicken 😂

I think this is where I'd disagree, and part of where a lot of my point comes in, I'd feel screwed if wave was given utility and it wasn't amended for wave 1, especially considering its the same set and its going to be cheaper, that's the complete opposite of "benefit for early adopters" as mentioned lol

Although I do agree the game should avoid a whale situation if at all possible!

[wispy marsh]

I’m going to die before the next level , gasp

Sorta gotta just@figure how you can hit the large ticket items in an optimal play route stylization…

Powerball wins are like high end 95%-endgame non-account-bound items.

[pseudo pagoda]

The market needs time to adjust alpha price .I have seen 1of1s selling at different prices shows alil price discovery yet needed

[tepid geyser]

capitalism or socialism haha

Hmmm, not sure it is comparable 😀

Ultimately i'm for the free market dictating the true "premium" of an Alpha, rather than it being pre-determined by the council/team, ultimately using price fixing techniques to control supply and demand.

What have you been smoking today? 😂

https://tenor.com/view/what-huh-what-you-talkin-about-gif-7358150

[pseudo pagoda]

@tepid geyser I agree free market price discovery make illuvium great again green state growing pastures of organic community

[mossy turtle]

are you saying that illuvium aint great?

[pseudo pagoda]

@mossy turtle not at all just feels better on a Friday ...

[mossy turtle]

well...i was just kidding

[pseudo pagoda]

@mossy turtle I got it 🙂 just hard to answer with out looking oneway 😅

[wispy marsh]

Most impressive aspect of Beyond so far?

[dreamy cipher]

Anyone looking for a Laser Goliant Holo?

[coral moth]

Do we know the d1sk goals for wave 2 yet?

[minor merlin]

Not exactly. Only that we get skins for drone and for ranger, battleboards, blasts ....

[tepid geyser]

They haven't been published yet.

[delicate delta]

Obereum Skin still reigns supreme, can't wait to see that one ingame

[minor merlin]

Ya that one is Sick. 🔥

[delicate delta]

https://tenor.com/view/harry-potter-daniel-radcliffe-bye-see-ya-miss-you-gif-12380771

Goodbye Cheap Wave 1 Illuvials

I will miss you

[keen forum]

emotes, album skin and arena battleboard Can they be sold? or are like skins

[dreamy raven]

I won’t 😜

[minor merlin]

Idk for sure. We will get more info when the game is live.

[tepid geyser]

Apparently not. They are bound to your account. If you sell/trade/transfer any of the illuvitars away that make up part of the collection that led to the reward, the reward will be taken away.

[obsidian dune]

Basically, if you want to sell/buy battleboard. You just sell/buy 3 Illuvitars.

Maybe we should add bulk sell/buy where you can sell 3 Illuvitars from the collection at once. (hmmm, that would mean less revdis - scratch that)

[tepid geyser]

Good point.
Do you think any will be that easy to obtain? A 3 illuvitar collections seems pretty easy.

[keen forum]

i think for some illuvial skin it s enough complete the line, maybe for the battlebord should be harder to get, btw Excellent this initiative

Maybe I'm wrong but Alexa had proposed to give away some special illuviatars like NFT, if this was not considered in the leaderboard it would be wonderful

[gilded sage]

alexa is the obereum skin an exception to this rule? Its untradeable?

[obsidian dune]

I think that's the point. The price for some skins in web2 games will be similar to the price of 3 Illuvitars which is basically the skin. That were the reasons for pricing this time around.

Let's say Atlas skin is like $10 bucks. Some will be more expensive - like Rhamphyre skins. so there should be different ones. We still not sure how will it work.

[keen forum]

How can i put an illuviatars like pfp on discord ?

[minor merlin]

make a screenshot and edit your profil.

[keen forum]

ah ok, I thought there was a way to enter your NFT

[minor merlin]

no i don´t think so. but on your illuvium account on the website you can add your illuvitar as PFP

[mossy turtle]

The obereum skin is a reward for minting a certain amount of disks = not account bound

[keen forum]

yes thank you, my penguin Doka will always be there

[fathom lintel]

I would be shocked and land owners would probably revolt if they gave away illuvial skins for album completion, as this would rug land owners. My guess is that illuvial albums will give emotes/blasts and maybe some bigger albums will give skins. They would also have to be different from illuvial skins produced by land plots.

[mossy turtle]

yes, landowners gets blueprints to create skins. And they can sell those skins
while skins from completing albums will be account bound as long as the album stays intact

So say that you get a skin for your ranger if you have all 9 axolotl(not as an NFT to sell), then you could sell skin by selling those 9 illuvitars

[obsidian dune]

I doesn't have to be suit skins, it can be battleboards, drone skins, something else... but probably skins

[pearl crown]

So I was told that this wouldn't be an issue and now I am no longer at the address that I supplied.

Will this be shipped via USPS or FedEx/UPS?

The former is forwarded but the latter means that I'll need to coordinate with my previous landlord. Any additional information is appreciated.

[tulip meadow]

So anyone receive their free plate yet?

It should have been shipped only days after claiming, its been about a month now.

[barren bobcat]

I believe printing and shipping began only after the entire claim period had officially ended, not after each persons individual claim. It's not my area though so I could be mistaken!

[tulip meadow]

Hi @barren bobcat thx for answering but the message on announcements clearly states it will be shipped in days after claiming i claimed on that day, checked it (said: you ‘ve already claimed your plate & nft) , never got an email or anything about it.

[barren bobcat]

Ahh okay, I must be mistaken then. I thought I'd read something about it here or in general. Ignore me!

[fathom lintel]

Those still could not be the same skins land owners could produce. One of the main selling point - besides fuel - was the production of blueprints that can create skins only land/blueprint owners could create. If they gave away the same skins here, it would obviously very negatively affect the skin sales of land owners.

[mossy turtle]

ohh i dont think they are the same no

[tepid geyser]

I would highly doubt that too. The skins from Beyond are unique to beyond, I don't know why the same wouldn't apply to Zero.

[fathom lintel]

Let's hope so. To be honest I'n not thrilled to see suit skins given away here at all. It could have been that suit and drone skins are unique to blueprints and emotes/blasts/weapon skins/battle board skins are unique to beyond. But I get that beyond collections need to be incentivised too, so I just hope the team has thought this through without hurting land owners too much...

[slender jetty]

land owners rekt again

[frigid grove]

When I go to the lederboard I am #53.... that is accurate.... when I go to the Illuvadex I have the same ID name but it says I have NO Illluvitars... why is that? My assets in IMX have all of them....

[glad marsh]

It happened to me a few weeks ago. I signed out and back in again & they showed up after that. 🤷‍♂️

[frigid grove]

Yep...I logged out and I had problems logging back in.... I had to turn off some of my Google extensions also... and now it sees my wallet address Thanks

[lime axle]

Any ideas if the leaderboard will be updated to show 200 and other Illuvidex updates ahead of the wave 2 sale starting?

[pseudo pagoda]

Is it possible to check the leaderboard past 100 ?

[frosty knot]

Good morning, confirming we're printing/mailing the D1SKPLATE's in bulk.

Printing is In Progress, and Shipping is underway. Apologies for the wait, it shouldn't be much longer.

It's still early days so we're trying to be as efficient as possible in all areas.

[tepid geyser]

I'm pretty sure that I did see confirmation that the leaderboard will be expanding soon.
I can't remember if it was on launch or during wave 2. Hopefully someone can clarify.

[obsidian dune]

#🎮〕illuvium-beyond message

this

[lime axle]

Ah, missed the 'alongside', thanks!

[pearl crown]

Did you get a chance to read what I posted up there?

I have a different address now and would like to know how to handle that please.

Thanks!

[frosty knot]

Ah! Understood. Not an issue at all, if you get in contact with the Customer Support team we'll ensure it's updated

[coral moth]

I wish instead of a d1sk goal they did a point goal, with points being scaled to ETH spent for standard vs mega. I don't want to feel like I'm missing out by buying megas

[coral moth]

Will the d1sk goals be with simple d1sk count again?

[frosty knot]

That's correct yes

[lime axle]

Check out https://discord.com/channels/760344898200666112/1132603175061434368

[pseudo pagoda]

Cashing out of uni and doge to buy silv2 looks like avoiding short-term gains haha

[tulip meadow]

I respect and appreciate the information you've provided. Feedback: Given the message about claiming in the #announcements channel, a communique
would have been appreciated. Every time I spot a postal company bus on the street, I hope to see them stop at my door. It's like the anticipation of a child on Christmas Eve. Since I'm expecting a holo, the excitement is magnified. I get that even Santa wouldn't send notifications about presents, so in that context, you're working some magic. But, remember, Santa is a fictional character with 12 reindeer - all make-believe.
In contrast, you're a real, magical company. I hold immense respect for you all. If the communication mentions a certain time frame for claiming the plate and NFT and delivery, I expect it to be honored. Aside from that, I'm truly enjoying the latest IZ and OW alphas/private betas. The attention to detail, the extra Illuvials, and the improvements in performance and landscape are commendable. If this is a precursor to the public beta, my excitement levels are skyrocketing, reminiscent of that child waiting for Santa. So, in a way, you've become the adult version of Santa for me. Mic drop...

[frosty knot]

Completely fair, I'll review the announcement and let the guys know. Apologies for that, I thought it had been clearly communicated.

[tulip meadow]

For your reference:

[frosty knot]

Yep, that makes sense.

We decided to print/ship in bulk after Kieran sent this message. I know I mentioned it here in this channel but it needed to be an announcement.

Sorry for the misscomms there

[keen forum]

As for the top 100 of the leaderboard will there be two different leaderboards with wave 2 or only 1?

[valid sierra]

Only 1

[chrome harness]

what is the over/under for alpha disks? 5K?

[rich elm]

Will the eth prices of the disks in wave 2 fluctuate if ethereum goes up this time or is it the same as the last wave and the price in eth stays the same no mather of the ethereum price?

[obsidian dune]

same

we would need iccp to change the prices if i'm correct

[rich elm]

Hmm how is that gonna hold up to the new iccp decision with disk being cheaper if the price of eth goes up? Not saying it will go up in the next months but you never know in the crypto world.

If the price of eth goes up people will complain again about disks prices being to high 😂

[obsidian dune]

the starting eth prices are lowered, dollars were always just an estimate

if i'm correct, last time around we went from $7,5 to like $12,5 (i'm probably wrong)

[rich elm]

Yeah something like that.

[mossy turtle]

The amount of eth is lowerd yes, but still based on a 2000$ eth i believe

[keen forum]

Is change the price of a standard pack ?

[mossy turtle]

yes

[mossy turtle]

That is based on 1 ETH beeing 2000$

[keen forum]

6 $ for a non aplha standard pack right?

[rich elm]

Depents on the price of eth but for now something like that

[mossy turtle]

yes, but 5.5 atm

[keen forum]

when can be purchasable?

[mossy turtle]

#📣〕announcements message

[keen forum]

thanks, yestrday i ve partecipate on event on discord called kukka's cave, the winner of the tournament win some disk wave 2?

[mossy turtle]

yes, airdroped when the sale start

[keen forum]

i try again this evening lol who is the winner Yesterday?

[obsidian dune]

prices as off 3 days ago...

but no matter what they were based of, they are fixed in eth

[obsidian dune]

not sure what are you pointing at

regular/standard?

[mossy turtle]

mega and standard got 1 regular slot, so it cant be more common to get common and uncommon in regular disks.
Or am i wrong?

[obsidian dune]

you have to look at the whole picture here

if you get lynx stage 3 in mega, it's more likely it will be rare expression (2 slots)
if you get lynx stage 3 in standard, it's more likely it will be common and uncommon (1 slot)

rare will still be the most rare expression in the end

[mossy turtle]

im thinking only in terms that you got 2 disks, both have one illuvial slot

[dreamy cipher]

Anyone interested in a Holo Laser Goliant?

[obsidian dune]

but mega has 2 slots, i'm not sure really what you mean, i'm sorry

[mossy turtle]

well its says that those two expressions are found more often in standard disks, but if you only count that one slot in the two types of disks, it should be the the same amount of times (if you add the rare slot on mega with a high tier background, you could say that they are found more often in megas )

[valid sierra]

Please use #🛒〕beyond-dex

[obsidian dune]

the comparation is between expressions rarity, and not between d1sks

mega d1sk - lynx with rare not rare
standard d1sk - lynx with rare is rare

[mossy turtle]

alright, thats how i read it, that it is a comparison of disks, since it says "more often in regular disks" but im not english native so perhaps others dont see it the way i do. But i would like to be proven wrong in a way that i understand so that i learn something 😛

[obsidian dune]

I on the other had (also not a native english speaker) still have no idea how differently you can interpret that. I'm still not sure what you mean is wrong. 😦

[mossy turtle]

"the common and uncommon expressions are found more often in regular disks"
Regular disk [ ]<----- standard illuvium slot

Mega disk [ ]<----- standard illuvium slot

In which of those slots will you more often get an common or uncommon expression?
The answer should be that it is the same

[obsidian dune]

but when you open the mega d1sk, you get rare slot as well. and even with both standard and rare slot, the odds of getting a rare expression are biggest

[mossy turtle]

but the scentence does not take into account for rare, its says that you will get more of them in the regular disk

[obsidian dune]

but that's true, in regular d1sk you will get more common and uncommon expressions....

[mossy turtle]

is that really true?
if you only count the one standard illuvitar slot? then it should be the same

[obsidian dune]

Odds in Standard (1 illuvitar)
common: 8.63%
uncommon: 4.31%
rare: 1.44%

Odds in Mega (2 illuvitars)
common: 15.26%
uncommon: 17.42%
rare: 18.25%

[mossy turtle]

And my issue was that it says that common and uncommon will be found more often in a regular disk

So if it said "more regular" then "more often" i would buy it
But maybe im reading to much into it, the statement aint wrong, but im reading it as "more often then a mega" becaus the sentence before is about mega

[obsidian dune]

i can understand what you mean, but yeah, it should only be about expressions, and not about d1sks

[mossy turtle]

lets leave it at that then xD. sorry for taking your time

[fathom lintel]

?? so what do you say we get in the remaining 85.62% of the time?

[mossy turtle]

that is for lynx stage 3

[fathom lintel]

ahh, did not see that part! looked a little strange, lol 😂

[mossy turtle]

yea it wrinkled my brain too when you wrote that xD

[fathom lintel]

sale coming up soon now!! let's hope ILV price action keeps current trend and we get decent value for silv for once

[mossy turtle]

Defenetly! its a bit magical that ilv started moving up before the sale was announced

[half jay]

It def. has also to do with Alex Becker tweeting about us.

[mossy turtle]

I know, he is a big believer in illuvium beyond i guess 😜

[fathom lintel]

yes, its a pump, that's why I'm not celebrating just yet, it needs to hold 5-6 more days

[tired stone]

Have rewards been dropped from snapshot last week?

[mossy turtle]

check pinned messages

[pseudo pagoda]

What day is the sale 15th ?

[mossy turtle]

#📣〕announcements message

[pseudo pagoda]

Thanks moving funds getting rdy haha

Last time I told myself should have purchased land over game stop disk I hope it's different this time...

[chrome harness]

well land keeps dropping, and I actually think GS years from now could be good as such limited supply and so unique. But wave 2 looks better than one in alot of ways, so actually most excited for that. Good luck 🙂

[pseudo pagoda]

@chrome harness yah w2 looks promising bit more so tome also good luck hope you get what you deserve 👍

[coral moth]

damn

[obsidian dune]

What happens if you open wave 1 d1sks now? does it count towards the goals?

[fathom lintel]

It's buying them that counts, not opening

[pastel bison]

howdy folks

[potent tulip]

Oo

Ooi

[pastel bison]

lol

I'm not working today... so I guess that means I better buy some d1sks

[potent tulip]

Johnny im worried about you with w2 launching next week..

[pastel bison]

worried that my wife will kill me for spending too much on 'those darn cards'?

[delicate delta]

Hey Johnny!

[pastel bison]

howdy

she's becoming less convinced with my "but they are worth more than I paid" argument... 🙂

[potent tulip]

Pretty much

[delicate delta]

DM

[pastel bison]

alrighy Seatin is loading me up with standards... stand by for opening 😉

[remote saddle]

how do i become best friends with Seatin 👀

[pastel bison]

buy 400 d1sks from him?

😛

Okay might get a sprinkling of Megas to open when the standards grind gets too much

[remote saddle]

safe to say you have a problem my friendd

[pastel bison]

😮

is my problem that I dn't have enough d1sks?

🙂

[delicate delta]

Lambos on me fellas

[remote saddle]

ill take an all black one, thanks

[pastel bison]

this feels like a warm up for Wave 2 opening

[remote saddle]

yah you dont want to get rusty, your skill has been on the decline lately

[pastel bison]

true that... had to recover from RSI

😉

well the frist 20 were very plain 😒

@delicate delta you didn't sell me 400 duds did you? 😛

[remote saddle]

did you check for resealing?

[pastel bison]

😮

Best thing so far

opens like this be sad:

all good I have faith thee is a holo Rhamphyre hiding in here

[delicate delta]

https://tenor.com/view/jeremyirons-margincall-gif-19396201

[pastel bison]

A slightly better Vermillia

[delicate delta]

“We sold to a willing buyer at a market price they were happy to pay”

[pastel bison]

Maybe its all about her today 🙂

[delicate delta]

Holo Emo Obereum Inc

That would actually look sick

[remote saddle]

shes a beauty

[delicate delta]

I didn’t pull a single Obereum Wave 1 in 5k D1SKs, hope my luck changes in Wave 2

[pastel bison]

I would love a perfect Vermillia (maxed in all categories), but almost prefer a Galaxy ILV background on it

Becasue Galaxy ILV is the bomb

Nothing crazy, Vermillia still the best, but a handful that have IM value in the $30 range

better than 50c ones 😉

[pastel bison]

ouch

what was you mega to standard ratio like?

[bleak crown]

damn... i got 2 obereum in less than 100 disks

all megas tho i dont touch that standard crap

[pastel bison]

lol

[bleak crown]

megas are even better chance this season correct? i feel like they've always been the better option unless you want some accessory hits

[pastel bison]

honestly there were so many changes flying about I don't even know exactly where the relative balance stands

[bleak crown]

i think its a complex system to calculate exactly.. i guess thats good so people think slightly les about pure value :p

i just know personally watching 5 standards open vs 1 mega you have much better of the total value being higher with a mega

but of course that could easily just be my experience...

[pastel bison]

oops just bought a few GS and Megas to mix it up and forgot to sort by price

wonder how much I overpaid by 😦

in positive news they weren't bad

[bleak crown]

lmao, awesome :p i opened 5 GS and alll were doka with crap background, 1 sweating :(. damnn good hit!

[pastel bison]

holy crap that was a bad mistake

[bleak crown]

GS disks are up quite a bit too i think

[pastel bison]

not that much

[bleak crown]

ohhhhhhh nooooooo

that hurts 😦

[pastel bison]

I guess it oculd have been worse

[bleak crown]

i think mine are listed at .3 eth why didnt you buy mine D:

[pastel bison]

+1 for default sort by price!

well that's a downer... but I guess lucky news for someone

[bleak crown]

at least the hit hopefully evens it out. ive over paid for d1sks before but not more than like 15% haha

that was a nice like 5x over 😳

[pastel bison]

yup

pretty stupid

better to happen to me than someone else I guess, at least I can make some noise and get it fixed

[bleak crown]

we will not get worldwide adoption till theres at leaaastt warnings for that kinda stuff :p but ya that sucks for user error..

i aint no programmer but i cant see it being hard to add "hey, this exact item is available for 5x cheaper on marketplace, R U SURE?"

[pastel bison]

Beyond gods paying me back for my mistake:

One more like that (or maybe a touch better and I will feel vindicated) 🙂

Also raised the issue with web and UX team.

[bleak crown]

i dont have money for more disks so i love that you and some of the other guys constantly put your hits up here, i feel like i can join in the fun :p

[pastel bison]

The "There is a cheaper one avialable" works for d1sks but doesn't works well for non-fungible stuff.

[bleak crown]

i think thats fine. its at least a huge start!

[pastel bison]

It can't hurt if there is an exact match

well the start is sort by price by default, that should be a very very simple change

[bleak crown]

yes i agree with that one. ive been lucky that my d1sk choices were only like 15% over.

[pastel bison]

the problem with the market price check right now is IMX APIs don't let you effieicntly query them

our caching layer doesn't care about prices/orders at the moment

so I don't think it is a quick win, but it is something we can look to add

[bleak crown]

i really know nothing on the dev side but i feel like theres gotta be something simple we could do on our own marketplace. what do you mean by that? like, illuvidex cant get the info fast enough? parden my noviceness

[pastel bison]

basicaclly, IMX can't provide that information in an effiecnt manner

(not 100% sure on this specific query, but on many types of queries this is the case)

so what most providers do (including us) is create our own fast searchable copy that updates when things change

but currently our layer that does this doesn't care about prices

[bleak crown]

sheesh, that sounds like a pretty big deal? hopefully we can work with imx and get something sorted! i think we have a good relationship with IMX, as far as i see on the pleb consumer side.

[pastel bison]

its about things like power

its pretty low value for IMX to solve becasue its not at all hard to solve on the market/game side

[bleak crown]

very interesting... that somewhat concerns me ;P like what if we tried to interact with something that has not been updated? i guess it will check for updates and just say error?

[pastel bison]

when you interact you have to know the specific ID, there's no problem getting something fast by ID

[bleak crown]

ok, so if i understand correct its just getting the marketplace to sort your options

if i still dont understand then dont worry ;P its 'beyond' my understanding

[pastel bison]

for example I can't ask IMX get me all Illuvitars that have power between 500-800

we have to do that on our side by storing our own copy of the data

(and updating it when IMX changes)

all I'm saying is right now "our own copy of the data" doesn't include information about sales/prices

making this a bigger task than if it did

[bleak crown]

is it just a power thing? i think sorting by power is dumb. ive noticed a lot of people buying low tier illuvitars with only a couple 50 cent accessories on it selling for like $10. cant imagine any reason for that unless to save time bonding. OR people are thinking its the best bang for your buck for power

[pastel bison]

that was just an example

[bleak crown]

i see i see, ok! 🙂 any idea why people might be buying those accessorised but overly priced illuvuitars?

accident i assume , sorting by power

[pastel bison]

no idea, didn't even notice it was happening

i check immutascan a lot, but tend to only look at the top line of the most expensive things being sold (and the overall volume)

[bleak crown]

let me see if i can find some examples. its just interesting

[pastel bison]

is that overpriced?

[bleak crown]

$25 floor without mods. is that $23 worth of mods?

[pastel bison]

seems about right to me, not that I follow the 'acessorised' market at all

it could be people trading with themselves or friends

[bleak crown]

looking through it now maybe there arent as many exmaples as i thought, i just specifically remember seeing quite a few kukka with coin eyes being sold for like $8

who knows

like this

[pastel bison]

it could be someone just trying to fill an album slot

[bleak crown]

floor for this is under $4

no idea. doesnt matter i guess. just interesting patterns. i watch the recently sold market a lot :p

[pastel bison]

a gold amulet is $5.5

80c for badge

etc

not sure its crazy enough to suspect anything other than people buying something to fill an album spot

[bleak crown]

yeah, still paying over 2x i think. id like to ask them 😛

probably a time saver

if you're blowing thousands, you're gonna spend a lot of hours bonding and such lol

to a millionare, time = money

[pastel bison]

4 + 5.5 + 1 + 2 + 10 = $22.5 for the parts

[bleak crown]

ah! so there is some coherent math to it.

[pastel bison]

I rounded up a little probably more like 23

but based on IM proces its actually qutie reasonable

[bleak crown]

i havent looked at access, i felt like they were all worth pennies unless like T4-5

[pastel bison]

Grey Fedora is $9.88

[bleak crown]

yeah no that seems like a decent plan actually

maybe someone built an easy calculator to see which illuvials for sale are a better deal with their accessories... 😱

this is my favorite sale tho, guarenteed theres a mastermind at the other end who knows something we dont by selling this for cheap

[pastel bison]

lol

[bleak crown]

i remember on the wave 1 release watching kieran & tsg put illuvitars up for sale with high backgrounds for cheap cause they had no idea.

how do those guys not even know XD sometimes even i hear Andrew say something and im like um how do you not even know that you work with the team

to be fair no one knew the pricing but they had no idea the backgrounds were t5

[pastel bison]

there's a lot of things going on, I don't know much about Wave 2, conciously not getting too invovled unless my help is specficially asked for so I can enjoy the event

[bleak crown]

very true. i guess being a spectator i can be more interested and not be bumbed out by "work"

hey johnny

not sure if you know at all or if its also hidden info, but i know backgrounds are changing for wave 2. any idea if any backgrounds are staying?? like the T0s? and i was thinking it would be cool if the max background was the same through all waves

[pastel bison]

I don't, the testing of opening and the art is the thing I stayed away from the most

thats mostly what I don't want to spoil

I mean I can't help but see some stuff around the place, but a lot of it I've never seen or only casually glanced at

[bleak crown]

fair! i am pretty excited to see the new backgrounds lol. im sure the team has had fun playing around with new stuff throughout the months

yeah ive seen some new backgrounds too. im mostly just super curious about the T5 S3 backgrounds. i saw they teased a obereum skin so i can see that background staying maybe

[pastel bison]

talking of my favourite background

(from a mega though, had to open some megas to break it up)

"had to"

[bleak crown]

that is also my favorite background D:

imagine a full wave 1 set of that haha

i think it would be SUPER cool in the future to have a display museum for collections

like... if you have a collection of 3-9 illuvitars, with a similar whatever, it could be a display at the museum

so like wallets from all over the world can show a collection piece and get submitted in

[chrome harness]

got factor in backgrounds too

[bleak crown]

yep that background and expression is $3.9

nice talking lads:) gotta hed out! GL with pulls johnny!

[chrome harness]

so 4 +22= deal 😉

[bleak crown]

;P

[pastel bison]

Alright 4 Mega Alphas and I'm out

Nothing good 😦

alright still got a bunch of standards to open but my fingers are getting sore

have a good day/night!

[hazy sphinx]

Hi guys does anyone know what the value of the first beyond total sale's were ?

[spare temple]

300+ standards bought and opened today

some megas too

[alpine dew]

Most likely Johnny

[spare temple]

noice

[lime axle]

sure was!

[alpine dew]

Hopefully his wife doesn't find out 🤣

[spare temple]

hahaha

[lime axle]

https://tenor.com/view/groans-annoyed-the-simpsons-marge-gif-24774784

[fathom lintel]

The only new backgrounds should be for the T0s, the rest stays the same.

[flint field]

3.2 mill

[fathom frigate]

Yea this is a lovely background

Is it one of the rarest?

[obsidian dune]

Tier 5 Stage 2, so basically 2nd rarest you can get

[dull pilot]

already started to collect tier 5 stage 2 bg https://illuvidex.illuvium.io/asset/0x8cceea8cfb0f8670f4de3a6cd2152925605d19a8/238574 https://illuvidex.illuvium.io/asset/0x8cceea8cfb0f8670f4de3a6cd2152925605d19a8/237125 https://illuvidex.illuvium.io/asset/0x8cceea8cfb0f8670f4de3a6cd2152925605d19a8/151694

[fathom frigate]

I would agree a favourite I’ve seen

[delicate delta]

https://tenor.com/view/goku-warm-up-stretch-db-gif-11448397

Getting ready for Wave 2

[turbid moss]

!wenwave2

!wen2wave

!goodvibration2

[meager garden]

wen countdown starts??

[turbid moss]

August 15

Nice

[meager garden]

kek

[turbid moss]

By the way. First wave alpha mega cost is 0.275 ETH?

What was the price

I guess if we want to fight for leaderboard we don’t go for alpha

[minor merlin]

and this the normal ones

[dark onyx]

https://tenor.com/view/aikatsu-friends-aine-sus-among-us-aikatsu-gif-24430684

[minor merlin]

is it not the right one?

[dark onyx]

I think it was 0.025 / 0.124 ser

[minor merlin]

hmm i made that screenshot but idk why it had such numbers on.

[dark onyx]

That's what piques my interest as well

[minor merlin]

i can remember that we changed the price before we launched. maybe that are the old prices? 🤷‍♂️

you are right Perry. i guess i have a old picture.

did we go down with the normal D1sk prices? maybe my first picture is not from alpha, its from the wrong prices for the normal d1sk.

[mossy turtle]

that looks like the right price for the normal disks

[bleak crown]

Dang alphas were a huge bust eh 😟

[mossy turtle]

nhaa, the mega disks sold out, i would call that a success

[bleak crown]

True! I just meant secondary sale pricing

[mossy turtle]

ahaa, well i would not say that, we are not even at wave 2. in a year or two i could definitely see higher prices

[bleak crown]

I agree with that :p I just meant to point out the non alpha disks and GS disks are all quite up on secondary

[mossy turtle]

yeah, the market for non alpha are probably much larger

[fathom lintel]

Nice trading with you ser! Looks like we both have what the other needs, lol

[bleak crown]

Haha where did you find this? Thats pretty cool :p

[wide swan]

D1SK battle now

in Kukkas Cave

[rich elm]

Who has the music on and can it be muted? xD

got it muted no wurry

i love curry

[fathom lintel]

Account > Activity. Thought it looked funny that we happen to buy stuff from each other 🙂

[bleak crown]

that is funny, the other day scrolling on twitter i saw someone post their new holo krunk and i was like oh i just sold that XD

[barren linden]

I too miss the countdown.....

[umbral holly]

what price for wave2 mega alpha?

[fast warren]

0.05401 Eth, if you look at community content, i have a calculator there for wave 2 pricing

[alpine dew]

$108

[umbral holly]

109

[worthy tide]

How much were wave 1 megas at launch ?

Alphas*

[restive kettle]

Mega alphas were 0.125eth

[fathom frigate]

Just so im 100%

the wave 2 has the alpha release for 24hrs, the standard realease and a promo release??

what exactly is the promo release?

similar to gamestop?

[smoky verge]

Yes 24 hr alpha then 3 month regular sale and then X time similar to gamestop for promo's. We dont know the partner's name yet. Probably will be a grand reveal similar to gamestop :p

[fathom frigate]

cool

and will there be a seperate wave 2 leaderboard? or a combined leaderboard?

and laggers will just have to pick up w1 when they can

[smoky verge]

No plans for a separate leaderboard as far as i know 👀
But i hope it will happen some day or new investors will never be able to catch up 🙂

[fathom frigate]

im only asking because I dont think it would be possible for anyone entering into wave 2 to catch up to wave 1 holders unless they spent a small fortune

that being said I suppose that is the incentive

when making a video I just want to be accurate

[mossy turtle]

I dont hope that they change the leaderboard structure in that kind of way. that would make wave 1 leaderboard a static never ending rewards cost for the dao, and same for all coming waves. And if we were to only count the current wave, then you try to get on a leaderbord that is soon going to get wiped

[obsidian dune]

It would be really weird to have only Wave 2 leaderboard as for most of the collections you need Illuvitars from multiple Waves.
Also this is better for those that were here early. Also, time is still really good to enter and buy Wave 1 Illuvitars if you want to compete for the leaderboards as we still don’t have a lot of players and prices aren’t that expensive yet.

[meager garden]

they already said there will be no waves in future sets so no point thinking there will be separate leaderboards for waves. What we might get is different leaderboards for current set and total sets.

[chrome harness]

....and an expanded leaderboard makes a lot of sense, with payouts as it expands. Still cheap, and could in the future use disks, etc. so doesn't have to be ILV only

[delicate delta]

I think the best reward system that scales to the masses is to now focus on both completing collections + unlocking rewards by hitting certain point milestones, stuff that is not limited by how many slots we offer on the Leaderboard

The Leaderboard is there for the biggest Whales that want to spend on the highest tier Illuvials and Accessories, but now it’s important to build reward structures that can scale to the masses and are interesting enough to get more people engaged in both filling Albums & Bonding, a lot of this work is well underway 👍🏻

[delicate delta]

^ There’s a lot for collectors coming down the pipeline, interestingly as well, assuming everything is on track, we should be getting a PDF with previews this week 👀

Although I think we have seen most/ quite a few things individually across the abyss of leaks

I don’t think we’ve seen the Rave Bach Drone Skin or The Warpaint Camo Jumpsuit Skin yet

@frosty knot

[chrome harness]

lots of options, but I think there also has to be a way to monetize them, ie not just account bound, though some could be. Personally, I don't even care about skins, but perhaps "real" gamers do 😉

[serene python]

they are basically not account bound, since you can sell the collection and the reward with it.

[rich elm]

True. Account bounded rewards will make the people hold illuvitars while giving rewards that are sellible as an nft will make more movement on the market and that will benifit both the players and the dao. Maybe there could be a mixture of rewards. Some that are bound and some that are not.

[delicate delta]

They are monetised, the NFTs are the key that unlock them, the NFTs are monetised, if you sell the key, you can’t access them

Gamers care about stuff in the game they are playing relevant to the status/cosmetic/style of that item, near impossible to say who really cares about what at the moment as no games are live in a final state, until it’s live Beyond remains as the most degenerate way to speculate on what could be relevant when the games do go live

Also if you don’t care about skins or visual appearance, it seems a bit odd you’d spend any quantity of time interested in Beyond as it’s literally Illuvium PFP Skin JPEGs lol

[rich elm]

😂

[frosty knot]

Good morning,

We opted to include the Individual Stretch Goals and the Collection Completion Rewards in the Web UIs rather than a PDF 🙂

[spring glen]

is there a cheat sheet for wave 2?

[obsidian dune]

what do you mean?

[frosty knot]

Definitely, and once people can list 'bundles' for sale I think we see people curating complete collections allowing people to unlock certain in-game skins.

Similar to players selling 1-375 Blacksmithing Packs in WoW

[obsidian dune]

when the wave starts or before?

[spring glen]

pricing, time lines, etc. i remember reading the alpha sale is only for 24h or something like that

[frosty knot]

We should have it available EOD today AEST (currently 5am Monday morning for me)

We're deploying prod my evening, thus it will be live in a 'coming soon' state.

[obsidian dune]

hope this helps

[spring glen]

thanks!!!

[frosty knot]

Before I dip out for a coffee and a jog, we will have a seperate deployment later this week that includes the Leaderboard Extension (showing all ranked users) and the Unique Wave 1 Alpha Icon.

Be right back, big day ahead 🙂

[obsidian dune]

Showing all ranked users??? so not top 200, top more?

[frosty knot]

No, Kieran wanted to show all users

[obsidian dune]

Can't wait to see who is around me, this will be fun.

[frosty knot]

Infinite scroll, showing an additional 100 users as you scroll down

Agreed, I should be in the top 100 once wave 2 drops I think

I'd have to be very close

[obsidian dune]

i'll be in top 1000, but still i'm going to take it very serously

but i'm not sure we want to show everyone.... there will be a lot of people that have nothing in the album and we're going to see the real number of collectors... why don't we just have top 1000 instead?

[delicate delta]

Really excited for this update! Should be mega fun to see how everyone places Top 1,000

[alpine dew]

Awsome!

It would also be cool to show your Ranking next to your name

[tulip meadow]

So it Wave 2 still due tuesday? Since the wave 2 page is still stagnant and not showing a countdown timer etc.

[obsidian dune]

Nick said that prod is going live in like 12-16h

[tulip meadow]

the website?

[obsidian dune]

i think yeah

[chrome harness]

are those Silv2 prices right? It appears you pay more for a disk using silv2 than eth for wave 2

[frosty knot]

I can't speak to that graphic as it wasn't created by us, but SILV2 / ETH prices will be equal.

[chrome harness]

no discount then

wave one you could buy a disk at a discount to an eth disk

[frosty knot]

SILV2 trades at a discount to ILV

When spending SILV2 we value it at the price of ILV

[chrome harness]

ahh...yes, as it should be. So really it's ilv/eth prices will be equal.

and silv2 saves you 18% or so

[frosty knot]

That's correct yeah

[chrome harness]

cool thanks Nick

[frosty knot]

Captured ✅

[obsidian dune]

that was the price on 7th of October, now it changed ofc

[barren linden]

wish the countdown was on website, some what anticlimactic tbh.

[alpine dew]

I thought the same thing ngl

[fossil thunder]

Y’all see any Ophistos while Rich was opening?

[royal anvil]

With that fire background? Oh yeah

[wide swan]

This thing pretty cool

https://tenor.com/view/dick-dastardly-gif-26078024

@barren bobcat was it you’re doing

[royal anvil]

Cryptostache wouldve been happy 😛

[alpine dew]

Would've?

[royal anvil]

He got a lot of flak from the community after that wagner interview.

[alpine dew]

I thought he just handed wagner a shovel and Wagner dug his own grave. I'm still a fan of Stache

[wide swan]

Yeah I’m over it he’s a content creator… to be expected I guess haha I said I wouldn’t watch his content again but truthfully… never did anyway lol

[wanton hearth]

Is there a list of all the rewards for beyond players?

[wide swan]

Like the stretch goals?

[wanton hearth]

All rewards that have been offered to players

Ie skin emotes Ilv disk plates ect

[wide swan]

The stretch goals are meant to be hidden until unlocked, which usually gets shared around once someone hits them. The new unlocks will have a page with everything on it once live

[wanton hearth]

For wave 2? What about the ones for wave 1?

[wide swan]

Yes for wave 2, a list of wave 1 I can get but I don’t think it’s planned to have it anywhere specific

[wanton hearth]

Would you mind sending it to me please?

Thanks Rich

[turbid moss]

okay guys.. I am ready .. where do I pay

time to deposit into IMX?

It's been a while

[alpine dew]

Transfer funds from Eth mainet to IMX using the deposit button on Illuvidez

[alpine dew]

Yup

[turbid moss]

I guess I should just move all my SILV2 into the mainet

[alpine dew]

You mean move all SILV2 into IMX?

[turbid moss]

yeah