🎮〕illuvium-beyond

[rich elm]

The team could be doing more on marketing to draw people in, but i am happy as it is. The less people in it for now the more chance for me to have rare ones that people cant be getting anymore.

[coral moth]

I don't think all that much will happen when the d1sk sale ends for wave 1 d1sks. Or I guess like @tepid geyser said there might be some fomo to finish up some collections and such as people won't try to take the risk with d1sks. That may start just before the end of the sale and last a little after.

So I'm kinda expecting a slight rise in prices/sales towards the end of the sale, then a dip back after people are done. Then very very very slowly I expect prices to start rising on wave 1. I could be totally off base but that's my thinking

[tepid geyser]

That does sound realistic. It will be interesting to see how things play out.

[rich elm]

Maybe indeed not directly but later on prizes will rise. There was also talk about a burning system for illuvitars so some of them will eventually become even more sarce.

[wet grotto]

Accessories that were in wave 1 will be also in other waves?

[past tundra]

That’s my understanding

[tired stone]

I think once prizes for completed collections are announce that will pick up the market

[tepid geyser]

More incentives will definitely help.

I would like to see achievements. Collect all set 1 holos etc, with certain rewards associated with such achievements, you could then have a separate leaderboard for achievement points gained. So many possibilities.

[tired stone]

Exactly look at what happened when ilv rewards were announced

[tired stone]

Yea Kieren mentioned many rewards in his Twitter post a while ago about this

[tepid geyser]

Nice, I didn't see that. Good to know that they're thinking about it though.

[coral moth]

Yeah, prices will definitely depend on what is announced and when

[gilded sage]

What is a holo geysser t2 worth? I am listing well below the min price and the highest bid is .1 eth - is this a good deal?

[tepid geyser]

Not a good deal. 0.1 ETH is daylight robbery.

If you're going to give it away send it to my address 😂

[gilded sage]

What do u think is a fair price?

[burnt ferry]

What do you think how mutch in Leaderbord top100 own a ramphire

I need one to Finish Wave one collection but for that price i can buy mass Disks in Wave 2

*many

[tepid geyser]

Check your DM's

[rich elm]

I take it for 0.1 😂

[weary gust]

Just pulled a nice Atlas

[drowsy snow]

Finallyyyyy... it works again, thanks!!

[lime axle]

Will backgrounds be the same for other waves of set one?

[cold vale]

Yes , thank you 😊

[frosty knot]

Morning,

I believe there has been some discussion and uncertainty but I can confirm that the skin pictured here is the Obereum Suit Skin. This skin is only available via Beyond, and yes it is an NFT.

[young tide]

So what are they going to do to conserve the rarity of the Tier 0 Illuvitars that we have now on wave 1 ? Are we still getting the same Tier 0 illuvitars on wave 2?

[tepid geyser]

Same tier 0's across all waves

[gilded sage]

LFG

[hasty grotto]

ah...monday ....begining of my disc bying week ....will start later 😉

[elder pawn]

Tier 0 illuvitars are going to drop in value for sure with each wave.

[tepid geyser]

Unless more demand can be created as more waves drop, that will be the case unfortunately.

[smoky verge]

Tier 0 with Stage 3 background and holo are super rare though. The 100% collectors will for sure value those highly as we only got up to ~8 of each this wave. So it takes quite a bit of money and time to get those 🙂

[tepid geyser]

That is true.

[lilac dagger]

Having issue with my album today. Upgraded and sleeved a couple of Illuvitars today. I lost approx 10 to 15 thousand points. Points should have went up. Any ideas??

[young tide]

They are dropping for sure, even the alpha ones. Mega disks are the only thing worth to buy.

Maybe for wave 2 they could add different backgrounds to the Tier 0, that way the Tier 0 from wave 1 can be more valuable.

[hasty grotto]

wait i got a deposit on my onramp ...........off to the shop we go

I have a new idea .......we upload our true photo and then acessorise (Bond) it for points ....mine would look wild for sure 😂

[weary gust]

But would a wave 1 T0 be perceived as more valuable than let's say a wave 5 one?

[elder pawn]

actually, you're right GHamster. wave 1 will probably have a small premium to let's say a wave 5+. but overall, the supply is potentially infinite.

[pastel bison]

its not infinite, Set 1 has a finite amount of waves

I think it was 4 (but maybe 3 or 5) ( @timber apex )

[weary gust]

Yeah well it's a genuine question because I don't know how collectors perceive these sort of things. Personally I wouldn't care what wave my T0s came from. As long as I completed my set I'm happy 😊

[delicate delta]

I think T0 floor demand will be based on burning rewards + general Album demand relative to the pricing of packs, @pastel bison @frosty knot any thoughts on this Tweet? 👀

[weary gust]

Substance is used for leveling illuvials right?

[fathom lintel]

I'm the same. Some people here think wave 1 T0s will be more valuable than others. I think there might be some collectors looking for this, but I personally don't care at all which wave my cards are coming from.

And I think substance might be used for increasing the capture rate of shards, but I would not be surprised if the team came up with multiple use cases for it.

[weary gust]

Interesting. I do know you can't straight up buy Substance. It's one of the very few if only resource in the game you can only aquire by playing. Or burning illuvitars now.

If it's essential to progression but a pain to earn it could significantly raise demand for illuvitars

[timber apex]

Substance is used for, among other things, increasing the capture power of a shard.

I didn't know you guys knew anything about substance though. 😦

[weary gust]

We spoke in general a while back about it.

You wouldn't tell me much though 😔

[timber apex]

It's a really great substance, Substance.

[teal vigil]

that's a sub-par stance. please tell us more about this.

[delicate delta]

Are there plans to have different substance award rates for burning different tiers/stages of Illuvitars?

E.G Would burning a T0 be different to burning a T5 Rhamfyre?

[timber apex]

Yes of course

[meager garden]

is substance only available through illuvitars or accessories aswell?

[outer creek]

What am I missing here - why is this alpha goofy Rhamphyre so cheap?

[tepid geyser]

Its bonded.

[outer creek]

With obelisk tattoo

[outer creek]

Yeah but with a 20%

[tepid geyser]

A clear indication, for now at least, that it doesn't matter how rare the accessory, it will still decrease the desirability and therefore price of your illuvitar.

[outer creek]

Interesting

I think it’s a bargain

[tepid geyser]

Someone just bought it and listed it for almost double 😆

[outer creek]

Me

It’s worth that easy at this early stage

I’d happily hold it otherwise

[still herald]

If the possibility of removing/adding accessories after bonding comes to life then 100% you made a great deal

[outer creek]

You can add

Not sure why anyone would take off a 20% though

[sacred kelp]

something been wrong with the MP filtering items 'owned by me'?

[worthy tide]

solid buy !

[restive kettle]

Yep i also think its a good buy considering current floors

[tepid geyser]

Alphas by design are a collector piece.
Historically collectors prefer collectibles to be as close as possible to their original form and it the best condition possible, preferably still shrinkwrapped. Obviously with NFT's the latter is not relevant, but I believe as soon as you bond an alpha, it is no longer a desirable collector piece and you limit your buyer pool substantially, which does have a meaningful impact on value.

[outer creek]

All good points. I think it’s a little different when considering albums power and future card game etc thrown into the mix. Time will tell I guess.

[tepid geyser]

I agree, there are many ways in which the team can engineer desirability for such bonded illuvitars, but I still believe that in the future (potentially couple decades), providing illuvium is the successful franchise we all believe it is going to be, the illuvitars fetching the most $ will be the unbonded alphas and by a large margin.
Time will tell ultimately. It will be an interesting journey, that's for sure.

[flint loom]

Oh interesting, both Aaron and Kieran mentioning “substance” at the same time!

[meager garden]

they said you'll be able to rebond accessories so it kinda lifts the pressure of "bonded illuvitars"

[tepid geyser]

You may be able to re-bond with better accessories, but removing the bonding, no-one is sure if this is coming or not. It may not.

[meager garden]

I get your point that it's tainted from the original tho

[tepid geyser]

Not sure if that decision will be an executive decision or one for the community as a whole to decide. We will have to see.

[meager garden]

never heard of removing bondings

yes we just need to submit a proposal and see what the community thinks

[buoyant oracle]

i think you should be able to remove ONLY when you're printing your illuvitar
you choose if you want it printed with or without the items, but the NFT keeps all stuffs. what is done is done

[stark river]

But skins (nft or not) in a standalone world is bit disappointing, who can see my fantastic skin, only me? Users want skins to strut

[tepid geyser]

Your avatar/character can wear the skin in the battle arena too, no?

[stark river]

Ah ok, i didn't think about this, thanks

[remote saddle]

Did the monday prod release happen to fix the leaderboard?

[young tide]

When is the leaderboard snapshot ?

[minor merlin]

#🎮〕illuvium-beyond message

[stark river]

In pinned messages, likely within 5 days

[remote saddle]

are you referring to the snapshot? deployment was ssupposed to happen monday

[tepid geyser]

You're right, would be good to get an update to see if this actually was deployed today.

[rotund halo]

Has anyone clarified if the catch-up rewards will be FULLY distributed BEFORE wave 2? Or can people go hard wave 2 and knock down those of us that invested in wave 1 expecting leaderboard rewards?

[burnt ferry]

Wts ore Wtt Rainbow Partyglas slide Alexa U need another one 😉

[frosty knot]

Good morning,

Yep, confirming we deployed to production without any issues late last night. Speaking to Johnny this morning about a date/time for the first snapshot and the start of rewards.

Thanks everyone for your patience.

[finite zealot]

Hooray! Happy for all of you who have been waiting for rewards and for the team because this has been so frustrating for you guys too.

[pastel bison]

A bit delayed in getting to the office (storms so I need to drive the kids to school... soft I know ... back in my day ...), in any case will chat to the team and founders and pin down a date this morning.

Assuming no one is seeing new issues expect announcement today and snapshot in a couple of days.

[half jay]

I'm at the moment not able to re-link my wallet anymore. Send a ticket two dayz ago, no answer yet. Are such issues in the new release fixed?

[remote saddle]

Anyone have an understanding of how the alpha t0s are going to work? i know alphas are going to be a thing in all future d1sks and t0s wont be changing so does that mean the alphas for the t0s dont mean that much?

[wide swan]

I'll look into this now, sent FR

[wide swan]

They would still be Wave 1 Set 1 T0 Alphas

[toxic furnace]

will there be any change with backgrounds as an example? new ones from wave 1 as an example?

[wide swan]

I don't believe so, will confirm but I'm fairly positive no

[past tundra]

I’d think it will Probably mean as much as alpha does compared to non-alphas for other tiers.

[remote saddle]

guess im a bit confused cuz other tiers wont be in wave 2 but we will get more alpha tier 0s, but all good im sure i can search discord and figure it out

[past tundra]

What makes you say other tiers won’t be in wave 2?

[tepid geyser]

Only tier 0's make a reappearance, no?

[past tundra]

The wave 1 Illuvitars will not be in wave 2. Tier 0 Illuvitars are not wave 1 Illuvitars. They are all set long.

[remote saddle]

bad wording on my part, i mean to say is we wont see another alpha atlas but we will see more alpha grokkos

[past tundra]

Ok I thought maybe that’s what you meant. Yeah that sounds accurate.

[young tide]

It is a little sad that T0 illuvitars have an unlimited supply, even alphas.

[tepid geyser]

Not unlimited. They are limited to set 1 I believe, someone correct me if i'm wrong.
You will also be able to burn them for "substance" in the future too.

Alphas are also only available for a limited time period.

[pastel bison]

From time to time (for example on a cadence of every 12 months) there will be a new set of Illuvials to be found in Overworld and battled in Arena, aligned with this will be a new set of Illuvitars. This is a Set.

For Beyond each Set is broken in to several waves (e.g. 3 or 4). Within a Set the T0's are the same, so each Wave within a given Set will have the same T0 Illuvitars. The other Illuvitars will not be the same,

This means:

• There will be a chance to get the T0's again in future waves, this includes Alphas if the subsequent wave has alphas (presumably they will).
• But these Waves are limited (probably around 3-5 per set). The supply is not unlimited.
• When the new Set comes out there will be no chance to get those T0's again (other than loading unopened d1sks you purchased already).
• You can trace the source d1sk for an Illuvitar so there 'may' be some additional value associated with T0s from the first set.

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Caveat: I haven't been involved (much) in the design of Beyond and possibly got something wrong, poking Aaron to confirm @timber apex

[timber apex]

We almost certainly won't do Waves for Set 2. And there's no current plans to do an entirely new lot of 25 Tier 0.

Also should point out there there will be the ability to buy new things and put them into old slots. For example if we do a promo with a partner it might include Atlas. This would be a variation. It would still fit in the Atlas slot in the Axolotl collection. And next Set we will do new variations of old Illuvials. For example Dark Atlas. (It's not going to be exactly that, it's just as a for instance)

[coral moth]

Damn that kinda devalues originals no?
I’ve known about variations for awhile but I assumed they wouldn’t be able to fulfill the same collections as that makes the originals less rare.
Ofc the originals will still be worth more, but I’d have to imagine the value would reduce significantly, as there would simply be less demand as people wouldn’t need them to complete collections.

[pastel bison]

I doubt Promos will have the same power as a really maxed out core-card

[coral moth]

But for completing collections, at least atm, power doesn’t matter.

[pastel bison]

sure, but for completing Illuvial based collections, you can buy 90% of stuff for a few dollars (obviously some big boys aside)

[timber apex]

No, not at all. The originals don't become less rare. There are come collections that only the originals are for, and they have large bonuses

There is a Set 1 collection, and you can only fill that with Set 1 stuff.

Same for Wave 1.

But filling in something that is an ONGOING collection like the Axolotl collection shouldn't rely on Set one stuff exclusively.

[coral moth]

If the game is as successful as we all hope, very few people will be able to strive for these collections. So again demand would be way less than if you needed them for the axolotl.

I feel like I need to rethink strategy with this news.

[coral moth]

Is this confirmed? Promos won’t hold the same power at the very least?

[pastel bison]

We need to be clear that nothing is ever locked in stone if the community via ICCP votes for something different then that something different will happen

[alpine dew]

Just incase it hasn't been mentioned, when you are trying to auto fill your collections they no longer show up on the first page

[fathom lintel]

I feel some contradiction here. If the game will be as successful as we all hope, there will be a lot of people striving to complete these collections, meaning high demand for the originals, even with the new versions available. But the new versions will make completing some collections possible for a lot more players.

[coral moth]

I don't believe I made a contradictory statement, as yes there would be demand. I was saying it would be significantly less than it otherwise would be.

And this all depends on the supply of the promos. If we're talking inflating any one illuvial by a few percent that's one thing. I was imagining inflating by possibly 2x or even 5x or 10x.

Edit: The reason I said very few people would strive for these collections is because they will cost a ton of money. So why bother buying a wave 1 rypter for a normal player, when you could be a promo rypter for 10% the cost or something. But if that normal player wanted to complete the sea scorpion line, maybe that's in there budget. Hence wave 1 rypter demand goes up if you can't use the promo rypter.

Edit2: If supply of these promos is actually a lot more constricted than wave 1, then they could actually cost more than wave 1. So the problem goes away. So it really depends on how many of these they release

[tepid geyser]

They should have identical stats IMO.
A holo Atlas with a tier 5 background should have the exact same power regardless if it is a set card or a promo. Would be akin to having Alphas with higher power stats. Wouldn't seem right.

"So why bother buying a wave 1 rypter for a normal player, when you could be a promo rypter for 10%"

That is an argument for them having less power I suppose, to drive incentive to the set cards for a power boost.
It's a complicated one.

[fathom lintel]

Promo cards will work differently. They come with set accessories, so the power system will be inherently different from normal illuvitars.

[coral moth]

Interesting I did not know this.

[fathom lintel]

I don't believe this will be a problem. Kieran said the supply is 20k disks for the first promo set so I would assume promo cards will be a lot rarer and eventually worth more than normal illuvitars. Especially because they are brands with a large following, and those people should soak up some of the supply

[coral moth]

I guess my concern only becomes an issue if they continue to release promo after promo for long gone sets. Seems to be a non issue for now. I feel better with the new info

[tepid geyser]

Can you elaborate any more on this? I thought all illuvitars were compatible with the same accessories, is this not going to be the case with the promos?

[fathom lintel]

I think a bigger concern will be to be able to buy them, lol. 20k disks with a 50$ pricetag will probably go in minutes.

[gilded sage]

Are they gonna make illuvitar for the ranger? Would be cool to use your personal ranger with skin and set pfp

[fathom lintel]

As far as I know - will not name the source as I'm not sure he was supposed to leak this info - there will be no accessories in the promo decks, only illuvitars, and they will come with accessories already. I imagine something similar to the promo NFTs on opensea. There will be different varieties and rarities, of course. But I think the promo ones should and will feature branded accessories with the promo partner.

[tepid geyser]

Thanks for that. Sounds awesome actually.

This would mean that you cannot bond a promo, making their power potential limited and thus making set cards more desirable for outright power and leaderboard climbing.

[fathom lintel]

It makes sense, if you think about it from the work perspective. Imagine if the team had to fit every promo illuvial with every accessory for just a 20k limited edition. This way, there will be no bonding with the promo cards, so they can easily create more of these when the project is successful, but all of them remain super limited editions.

[tepid geyser]

Yeah, I really like it.

[coral moth]

It makes a ton of sense honestly lol. From a ton of different angles

Honestly I should know by now that if something sounds bad from @timber apex, it's just because I don't have all the details yet 🙂

[tepid geyser]

Hehe I feel the same 😆

[gilded sage]

alexa is that confirmed ab the ranger illuvitar or you are just agreeing?

[tepid geyser]

Nothing confirmed, I just like the idea, sort of like trainer cards in Pokemon.

[gilded sage]

yeah totes, would also add another way to flex your skin. Right now it seems the only way to flex will be in the arena. And the ranger is usually one of the first piece to die ive notice the strat is to sacrifice ranger a lot of times

[timber apex]

You can consider that confirmed. Having promos that have more power than standard would be a bit of a problem for the game and seems like a really weird thing to want. They are collectors editions not pay to win cards.

[timber apex]

Let's be clear about a couple of things:

The promos are a part of the wave they are in. So Wave 1 promos can only contain Wave 1 Illuvitars. The first promo we have coming up features only Wave 1 Illuvitar variations because it's still Wave 1.

Other variations of Illuvitars (and Illuvials) can come in other Sets. All sets after the first will be a combination of new Illuvials and variations of old ones, just like Gigantamax Pikachu. These are absolutely different 'cards' with different looks, possibly different stats depending on the game, etc... However they are still of the same TYPE so they can fit into collections that just require a TYPE. The Axolotl collection only requires Axolotl types, it doesn't care if they are set 1 or not. So yes, people will be able to fill collections but they are not 'old' collections. They are just collections. An 'old' collection would be something that requires old things, like Wave or Set collections. These have large points values and can only be completed by getting stuff from that Wave.

Doing away with this has massive implications for the future Sets that would slow things down to a crawl which we absolutely don't want. But most importantly I think it would have a dampening effect on value. If there is almost no chance of getting more than 30 collections because we limit them by Set, then people will just stop.

Remember, only a few will be released each set. So there will be some collections that have no new variations for maybe 4 or 5 sets. That's like 5 years down the track.

[timber apex]

Also to be clear, the power levels are based on the same formula. The reason why they are 'weaker' than the max is only because we don't really have plans to sell a promo set where one of the cards is a maxed out Rhamphyre. It would make a mockery of the entire system. It's very hard to do accurate drop rate matching with a group of 6. Basically impossible.

The backgrounds are all custom. There is no Tier 5 background in the first promo. There's only 1 background line. The Accessories are pre bonded so they look amazing but you don't just get a whole bunch of new ones that are high power. It wouldn't make sense.

Remember these are also really limited edition so if we gave you billions of combinations then the vast majority would never exist. It would be a whole bunch of wasted effort.

There are 108 combinations (minus a x5 multiplier for background variations of colour). You need to find 18 (6 Illuvitars x3 Expressions) to finish the collection.

[timber apex]

We can only do maybe 1 - 4 promos per Wave. This limits what can happen in a wave. And remember, it's all still part of the wave. Think of it like extending the sale for another 3 weeks or so. It's no different except because they are promos from collabs different people are interested in them. It just keeps things fresh.

But nobody will get an original Atlas in a new promo after the end of wave 1. Dark Atlas? Maybe.

[timber apex]

All I will say is we had this idea a while back and find it very exciting. But our idea is not exactly this, and also way better.

OK fine I'll say one more thing: There will be something missing in Open Beta and you'll all be like "Wah, why didn't you add that this you bozos‽" and then later you'll understand that we were just waiting on adding it so that we could do it truly right for Web3.

[timber apex]

When you say it like that is sounds like we actually thought this through. 😛

I will own up to the idea that I didn't think people would dislike Accessories being configurable. I thought that would be the coolest thing. But we're looking at ways to improve that.

[timber apex]

People don't like my stuff all the time. I usually have a reason for what I do. And I try to make it such that anything that is a 'worse' design is only every purely due to time constraints, but I'm absolutely not immune to shit ideas. All I can do is own up to my bad ones and try to improve where possible.

[timber apex]

I think I deserve a cookie for using an interrobang.

[outer creek]

Geeez that was some great alpha thanks Aaron

Love it when u jump in to set things straight

[past tundra]

I can’t pin it all. Which should we pin y’all?

[outer creek]

I’d pin most of it lol

[past tundra]

I really enjoyed feeling the need to lookup interrobang, though I was fairly certain I had successfully used context clues.

[past tundra]

Useless

[outer creek]

Haha

[elfin summit]

What about the stage 2 and 3 Tier 0s?
They're in the albums, but they're never mentioned anywhere.

[timber apex]

More to come soon. There's some design decisions that we can't take lightly. And I've just left them because I can gather more info from you guys before we pull the trigger.

[elfin sandal]

When can you fix the dark mode issue on the website?

[timber apex]

It would be a low priority unfortunately.

[weary gust]

Triples rewards time! 🥳

[loud pivot]

it seems I can't find any illuvitars when I go to Album even though I do have them in assets... is this a known issue?

[umbral holly]

I have the Same Problem. I am unranked

[grave trench]

How much ether do you need to get into the top 100?

[wispy notch]

hello 🙂 is there a way to set all illuvitars in one chunk in the album ?

[valid sierra]

I don't think so

[valid sierra]

Try logging out from the website and log back in.
Same for you @umbral holly

[wispy notch]

nop, not working

[valid sierra]

Best to make a support ticket so the pro's can help you out

[zealous delta]

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[loud pivot]

didn't work at first, but after clearing cache seems to work, thanks!

[umbral holly]

Worked

[still herald]

depends... whether by buying disks - it requires you to be lucky also 😄 - or by buying a complete collection from someone

[half jay]

re-link your wallet. Worked for me.

[chrome harness]

How much ether do you need to get into the top 100? at least $2k I would guess

take a lot of ILV rewards to make that up 😉

but like the triple rewards...thanks!

[obtuse pollen]

I’ve come back to collect and bought and opened some more disks but it says in the album section ‘looks like you have no illuvitars’. What am I doing wrong?

[valid sierra]

Try clearing your browser cache
If that doesn't work, try logging out from the website and log back in to your account
One of these steps usually fixes this

[obtuse pollen]

Logging out worked - thanks 😊

[still herald]

Second time today someone asks this and i'll say the same -> depends... whether by buying disks - it requires you to be lucky also 😄 - or by buying a complete collection from someone
If you're looking to buy disks, imo about 2ETH(+/-) and some luck should get you enough points and accesories for a top 100 spot

[chrome harness]

@still herald what would be your strategy second wave?

between disks and secondary market?

[still herald]

i have no idea what my strategy is for the end of this one yet 😄 ... depends on the market ... and let's just see how the leaderboard changes in the next 24hrs or so until the snapshot

[still herald]

most probably it has to be a bit of both - i've had my fair share of luck and bad luck with disks - so i'm not sure if i'm ready to gamble on them tbh

[chrome harness]

I did more secondary so that worked will for me, though I'll get some mega disks to fill in the new slots and pick up some accessories to dress them up...any word on accessories changes wave 2?

[still herald]

I'm not 100% but i think accessories will be the same in every wave

[chrome harness]

meaning, that zeros and accessories should have unlimited supply....theoretically prices will drop on those, but sure valuable on this first snapshot

[still herald]

T5 S2/3 and T4 S3 accessories will retain their value imo as they're not as common... T5s especially have a very low drop %

[chrome harness]

yes, that makes sense

[still herald]

i've sent you a dm .. not sure if you've seen it

[tepid geyser]

Nothing has an unlimited supply.

[chrome harness]

lol these are literally printed out of thin air...of course they do, unless given an arbitrary limit

[coral moth]

And we are giving them an “arbitrary” limit. So they are not unlimited at all.

The team has stated what the structure of the supply will be, if they tried to replay a wave the DAO would have something to say about it.

[mossy turtle]

i dont know if i remember correctly but was wave 2 aimed for at Q4?

[minor merlin]

Roadmap is saying Q3

[tepid geyser]

"unless given an arbitrary limit"

Which they have, due to the limited time they will be available.

[slender jetty]

90 days in, sort of like the show but less gang violence

[elder pawn]

I have a bug now where illuvidex doesn't let me see my owned illuvtiars

[past tundra]

Try clearing your browser cache
If that doesn't work, try logging out from the website and log back in to your account
One of these steps usually fixes this

[young tide]

Triple rewards 😱

[elder pawn]

i cleared my cache/data and logged out and back in but still nothing changed. I used my address to search, but it finds nothing : 0xf9ce60e90e94694ceb82579e4b917459b1263a6b

could someone check to see if they see my collection?

I just bonded an illuvitar too and sleeved it

but can't see what I own.

[weary gust]

You're still on the leaderboard

[elder pawn]

thanks. that's reassuring, but sounds like a bug

[weary gust]

Top 100 floor has gone from 570k to 601k since the announcement

I wonder what it'll be at come snapshot 😅

[elder pawn]

we'll see how many people have been sandbagging

[flint shell]

so, just to be clear the weekly leaderboard rewards will go to the persons with the most overall points and therefor we will have the same winners every week? Or is will there be a weekly area for the leaderboard and the people who increased their points the most during that week will win?

[young tide]

Different winners every week.

[flint shell]

what do you think is this on average in $?

[tidal adder]

It's not based on points increase for the following weeks.
Simply put, people who rank in the top 100 every time they take the snapshot (weekly) will get the rewards. It's just that there is no guarantee that all the ppl who are top 100 now will all be the same every week (especially in the bottom part of the table)

[alpine dew]

I'm in like 75th and I think I've spent 2500-3000

But that includes buying Alphas

[flint shell]

Yeah, understood it that way too. I mean that is good for the people who already invested a lot but I guess the downside is that people might don't want to challenge the top 100 because the gap is too high. Could be another selling point to reset the leaderboard but on the other hand that would maybe be a little customer unfriendly for the whales... don't know 😄 It is out of my comfort zone anyway 😄

[elder pawn]

how would resetting the leaderboard help?

[weary gust]

Hard to say. Two people could spend $2k and have wildly different outcomes. A lot of it is luck

[tidal adder]

It would make sense imo to have a general leaderboard and then a "wave" leaderboard (for ongoing wave of illuvitars from wave 2 onwards) to keep the incentive there for newcomers. But I don't see how resetting the weekly leaderboard would even work atm

You reset based on what criteria? Increase in points would not be fair and can easily be gamed anyways

[flint shell]

I am not familiar enough with the album points and stuff to suggest sensible reset parameters. Just was my first thought regarding the announcement

[weary gust]

They're definitely planning other incentives for the wider illuvium beyond player base. The leaderboard is only for whales to fight over.

[tidal adder]

Agreed!

[coral moth]

I just unlinked and reset all albums to make sure I have all of the highest pointed illuvitars. To use the auto populate feature. I just noticed one that I had a higher power on.
Is this bug known?

One thing to note is that the one that should've been used had accessories, and would've been lower if not

[grand night]

hello, i just bought my first mega disk the transation and everything went okey but i dont have the disk on my profile,,,,

could someone tell me what i do ?

[rich elm]

Yep. It picks higher base ones first i believe.

[topaz zodiac]

Can confirms this happens to me too when I try to use the auto sleeve in the album

[midnight prism]

hey has someone a calculation how much it would cost to get in top 100 atm?

[burnt ferry]

Maybe around 2 eth

[pure pulsar]

around 25% roi
it's only works for people who already invested big

huge gap between the 100th to the top 10

first rank is 1.7m points

how does points works? can i have 1.7m points of i have 1000 of illuvitars with 1700 points each?

[tepid geyser]

You gain points by sleeving your illuvitars in the album.
The rarer the illuvitar (in general) the higher the power/points gained.
You can also boost the power/points by bonding your illuvitar with accessories. The rarer the accessory, the bigger the boost in power/points.

[burnt ferry]

Hope i can hold my top 50 spot

Triple rewards are tasty

[still herald]

i'm with you ... hoping the floor for top 50 holds strong 😄

although it rose by 40k or so in the last couple of hours

[burnt ferry]

Yeah bonded some illiuvials to climb Up to Rank 42 - 150 Dollars 30k Points

[still herald]

not a bad deal at all

[burnt ferry]

Need a ramphire

[keen plank]

m2

tiktaalik

[burnt ferry]

For opening 100 Disks i get a mega Disk in Wave 2?

[stone swallow]

Wait Jaganite is back👀

Did the mods give up haha

[weary gust]

Finally joined the Diamond ranks

[elder pawn]

congrats @weary gust

[weary gust]

Thanks, right I'm definitely not buying any more bloody D1sks.

...Maybe 😅

[pastel bison]

lol

I've said that to myself before

[tepid geyser]

Me too 😆

[wide swan]

Oh damn boy congrats

Need to make it before wave 1 ends

What place you sitting just over 1m @weary gust ? 7 or something

[weary gust]

I wish lol, no I'm 23rd.

[wide swan]

😂

Can’t believe that many ppl above a milli

I guess I haven’t bonded much at all

[weary gust]

@topaz zodiac still trolling me

[topaz zodiac]

https://tenor.com/view/glee-brittany-pierce-hello-hi-waving-gif-17497841

[pastel bison]

pretty

[topaz zodiac]

Nice one

[pastel bison]

😮

[weary gust]

Was never going to make it that easy @topaz zodiac😉

[weary gust]

Nice, what's the power on that? 👀

[pastel bison]

2403

[fickle thistle]

how is this measured? just upgrade your illuvitar to the highest power you can?

[weary gust]

https://youtu.be/jpLQhvTAhrc

[elder pawn]

never say never.

[weary gust]

Essentially yeah, but be sure to understand the game before making any expensive decisions

[past tundra]

https://tenor.com/view/neva-never-marc-homealone-youcantstopme-gif-9816521

||He basically asked nicely. ||

[topaz zodiac]

https://tenor.com/view/i-have-nothing-left-pippa-sydney-sweeney-the-voyeurs-theres-nothing-left-in-me-gif-23031042

[pure pulsar]

hi

[pure pulsar]

so the goal is to sleeve as many illuvitar as you can?

[runic glade]

is it me or are background filters not working on illuvialmaster? shows 0 results when i filter by any bg/stage

[tepid geyser]

Yes, to sleeve the rarest holo illuvitars with the rarest backgrounds, expressions and to bond them with the rarest accessories possible.
This will get you maximum points and therefore maximum rewards.

[pure pulsar]

im just looking for the cheapest way to max point this

[topaz zodiac]

They were pushing a change to the site and sometimes that can make things wonky for a few mins. Should be working now. 😁

[runic glade]

works after a refresh, thanks

[turbid moss]

oh wow

it is happening

[pure pulsar]

as long as they are not duplicate, i can just add more illuvitar right?

[turbid moss]

perfect Bond

ugliest reindeer

trying to fill my accessories

so dumb I have to accessorize before it shows as filled in Album for Accessories

[tepid geyser]

I suggest that you connect your wallet and have a look around at the album to see what you need.
You cannot sleeve a duplicate, but you can sleeve multiple expressions of the same illuvitar under the "illuvial Lines" section.
Again, I think you need to have a click around in there and also look at other peoples albums to see what kinds of things you need.

[pure pulsar]

will do that

if i need 1.7m for first spot.
assuming 1000 points cost $4 (i havent really check the average)
i need $8K
yielding 12 ILV per week at $45 each = $500 or $2K/month
i need 4 months to break even

most of the illuvitars will have low resale value

or declining even with more waves

[young tide]

Wave 2 is going to have different illuvitars.

[wide swan]

https://tenor.com/view/ilv-illuvium-one-of-us-wolf-of-wall-street-gif-23354367

[pure pulsar]

whats the difference?

[young tide]

Completely new ones.

the current wave just have 25 days left I think.

[pure pulsar]

same illuvials but different angles?

[young tide]

here you can see all of them bro

[remote saddle]

lol

[young tide]

oh links are not allowed lol

For example, we are going to have the first stage of rhamphyre

[pure pulsar]

ohh

[young tide]

on the current one we have the 3rd stage

[pure pulsar]

new illuvials?

[young tide]

yeah

[pure pulsar]

means rank 1 could need 3.4m point

[young tide]

probably

[pure pulsar]

rekt

how long is a wave?

[young tide]

also means that the current illuvitars will be more valuable after the first wave is done.

[young tide]

90 days I think

[pure pulsar]

only the super rare ones like stage 3 ramphy

but from the leaderboard POV, you need wave 2 just to keep up

before you can break even from wave 1, you need to buy the new wave

and so on

lets say new player spent $8K on wave 1. need 4 months to break even.
comes wave 2, spend another $8K now his break even is 4 months - 3 months + 4 months = 5 months

[turbid moss]

LOL

[remote saddle]

dammm that yours?

[turbid moss]

yeah

why

is that super rare? LOL

[remote saddle]

most gangsta looking thing ive seen yet

[turbid moss]

Poop

[remote saddle]

nahh i was just messing

[young tide]

Depends on the token price too, I think we are pretty close to the next bull run.

[turbid moss]

damn man 1 of 1

I think we are ready for another drop to $10

[remote saddle]

yah that ugly thing going to stay a 1 of 1 LOL

[turbid moss]

Hell yah

just going to wear all the accessories to fill my album

[remote saddle]

Yah i need to start filling mine out see if i can get close

[turbid moss]

accessories are going to be in the same for all 6 waves

[remote saddle]

yup

[turbid moss]

another death to my family

[past tundra]

https://tenor.com/view/bitesthedust-freddie-mercury-queen-kelsisman-gif-14119598

[coral moth]

This type of thinking was born out of the bubble and ponzis of the 21’ bubble. It needs to go. A 100% ROI in a very short amount of time only happens in bull markets (bubbles).

You break even as soon as your illuvitars are worth more than the fees it would take to sell them, or if you get rewards pushing the value past that.
So it could be instantly depending on the value of your openings.

These are NFTs, you don’t lose the value when you buy D1SKs.

Also 19 months would mean that’s a what, ~50% yearly return? That’s fantastic. That’s WITHOUT considering any appreciation of the assets themselves

[elder pawn]

hey what time is the timestamp?

[valid sierra]

Check #📣〕announcements

[elder pawn]

thanks. Wednesday, May 17, 2023 5:00 PM but it doesn't give a time zone.

[runic glade]

it should be displayed in your local timezone, so 5pm for you

[young tide]

Men my album is a mess, would be nice to have a notification letting you know that you have a stronger dupe illuvitar to sleeve 🥲

[valid sierra]

Correct, 2 AM for me

[pure pulsar]

when people say roi it means annual return. 100% is not a lot in crypto. because it is very risky. especially when you are talking about NFTs being illiquid compared to tokens. Plus the NFTs are getting dilluted every 3 months. if you see illuvitar historical price, it's declining, thats the nature of NFTs. you cant earn the leaderboard from D1sk. mega disk is $45 while holo is $10? Thats pretty bad.
wave 2 makes it 5 months, wave 3 makes it 6 months, wave 4 and so on

@coral moth

if you invest in token, you get the apy, plus you can hedge and achieve delta neutral. with illluvitar not only the price is declining, you cant hedge it, and its very illiquid

[hasty grotto]

I'll be up at 7am to snipe aybody that tries to kick me outta the top 50 ....lol

[fathom frigate]

great to hear about rewards

[pure pulsar]

even people who are in the top 5 will find it difficult to break even if the team keep dishing out new waves every 3 months

[fathom frigate]

i thought there were only 3 waves??

or 4 or something

if too many are distributed too often then a large proportion of people will give up

[pure pulsar]

its a time limited mint, hard for illuvitar to appreciate in value compared to supply limited mint. eg 10k collection

[meager garden]

these assets gain value with time not the opposite since they are scarce in nature and hopefully the team won't power creep them. The price has only gone down for now while they are still available to obtain from disks

[wary niche]

why is searching with illuvitar/accessory name not working??

[pure pulsar]

wave 1 has 300K illuvitars with 7K owners, how scarce are they. With wave 2, 600K. Wave 3, 900K

900K illluvitar and 7k owner doesnt look scarce to me

[meager garden]

you're being disingenuous to think the number of owners will stay the same throughout the next waves

[pure pulsar]

yes they will

[meager garden]

rip

[pure pulsar]

u believe its gonna double in wave 2?

[meager garden]

illuvium will bring mass adoption, or so we hope

I believe it will 10x when game launch

[pure pulsar]

lets assume launch is december. wave 2 is in 20 days, wave 3 is september. so yea owner will stagnant through 3 waves

[frosty knot]

I'd hope we do better than 10x

[pure pulsar]

70k players

lol

[meager garden]

me 2 just being conservative

[pure pulsar]

thats abit optimistic

Depends when launch

2023 not really

[frosty knot]

Yeah that's fair, it's over to us to ensure the rewards, achievements, m0zart skins, battleboards, ranger skins etc etc are worth it

[pure pulsar]

currently we have 50 dau as per sam

[meager garden]

and that the game loop is fun and addicting

[valid sierra]

Can't wait to see what they do for the balancer NFTs

[frosty knot]

How many people here play hours and hours of any Alpha or Beta?

[young tide]

Balancer?

[frosty knot]

I played Diablo 4 Beta for maybe 1 hour to get the feel, but when you're aware your progression is going to be nuked..

[valid sierra]

Yes, the very first NFTs Illuvium made as a reward for buying tokens in the balancer sale

[remote saddle]

We believe in the IP and most of us are in here is because yah we do believe the user base will jump whether or not thats in wave 2 is tbd but youre preaching to the wrong people jag

[young tide]

Gonna play díablo 4 until Illuvium pvp is released 🤓

[pure pulsar]

i do believe user base will jump, in the bull market

bear is for accumulation

[frosty knot]

This was discussed today, likely they're re-issued on L2 with updated metadata/utility. Similar story for the existing L1 NFTs

[valid sierra]

In that case, I can't wait for gas to cool down 😅

Or we can just mint new ones on L2 instead of bridging them?

[remote saddle]

which ones are the balancer ones? the badges and emotes?

[frosty knot]

Correct yeah, I think we would like to see something similar done for all Promo NFTs.
https://illuvium.io/nfts

[valid sierra]

Most of them are on there but I don't think they all are

[frosty knot]

Refurbished on L2 with a home in the Album, and corresponding in-game utility in specific cases.

[valid sierra]

Would be nice to see some attention again to the real OG NFTs

Many people sleeping on them

[remote saddle]

We need some rework on those badges make them look a little better 🙂

[pure pulsar]

ill do an excel for the calculation when i get home @coral moth
just want to know how much is the cost to get rank 1. or if someone has done the calc that would be great

[young tide]

I don’t think it’s possible to pass Alexa lol

[pure pulsar]

is alexa here?

[young tide]

You need a lot of money

And luck

Probably more than 20k

[pure pulsar]

alexa is giga chad i see

why $20K?

[young tide]

Look at the album, it’s perfect

[pure pulsar]

can i just buy illuvitar from illuvidex?

its like $4 for 1000 point?

or it doesnt work like that?

[young tide]

To get the most points you need a holo with a rare expression, so it’s gonna be more than 4 dollars lol

[pure pulsar]

oh that 1050 is the points?

[young tide]

That’s not enough to climb

A person with a holo vermillia is gonna be higher than you.

[slender jetty]

And better background

[pure pulsar]

@tepid geyser are u the giga chad?

can i ask how much u spent to get 1.7m points? for research purpose

[hasty grotto]

me Ive play'd days of IZ but admittedly I slow'd down awaiting season 1

and season 1 for me will be working out fuel maximization strategies for my 9 lands ....now the market place is in play the lower tier lands are playable

[still herald]

If i'm not mistaken it was about 100ETH for the entire collection (but that includes all the duplicates he has)

[still herald]

And yeah it doesn't work like that.. you could try your strategy to see where it gets you 🙂

[weary gust]

Top 100 floor now 612k. 👀

[royal anvil]

Return on Investment. Annual return would be the profit or loss over a span of a year. Former can be achieved shorter or longer than one year.

Investing a token and staking would be different from getting the token and waiting for it to moon and selling off. Really depends on the investors strategy tbh. Long-term it might be safer on paper to stake and get yield since this yield can "DCA" your investment but may also mean longer commitment.

To each their own, Jag. Its the same old argument with Token vs Land.

[pure pulsar]

100eth?? for that reason, im out 😂

[runic glade]

did you honestly think you could snag the #1 spot with a few eth lol

[pure pulsar]

i did, i thought its only like $8K

[runic glade]

that'll get you to the top 100, idk if even top 50

[valid sierra]

I checked yesterday, should be able to get in top 100 with 1 ETH.

[pure pulsar]

my bad wordings. i meant annualized roi. like apr

i was comparing it to staking

[still herald]

Buying from secondary?

[pure pulsar]

i dont see opening mega disk is profitable with secondary price so low

[restive kettle]

I spent way more than $8k on illuvitars and im not on the leaderboard but it wasnt my intention anyway from the beginning... i just see them as collectibles like the first pokemon cards... buy some packs and some rare ones, hold them longterm and you should have a nice roi if you believe in the project anyway its a no brainer to me since youre diversifying throughout the illuvium universe

[valid sierra]

Checking the value of the wallets on #90 - 100 on Iluvialmaster
Not official data ofc but a nice guideline

[runic glade]

yeah gotta get lucky, I've opened like 180 mega d1sks and am way below value. 150 standards and am about even

[pure pulsar]

whats the value based upon?

[valid sierra]

Recent trades

[pure pulsar]

thats accurate

[pure pulsar]

i dont deal with gacha, im a trader not a gambler kek

[runic glade]

gambling can be fun sometimes, just don't tell my wife

[pure pulsar]

i tried rollbit

its rigged

[still herald]

I'm on 41 and the fp from illuvialmaster places my collection at about 10k.. of course i have some rare ones that i wouldn t ever sell at the fp from the website because of lack of data on those
So if for example you re looking to get into top 100 by buying a spot you should consider the value of that collection not how much one spent on getting it.

[stone swallow]

they also said some waves can overlap if you want to do calculations. So 1 wave doesnt need to be completed yet for the next one to start

[still herald]

In theory you could get super lucky and get like awesome illuvitars from 20-30 disks... sell them and snowball from there.. but it's a very small chance imo

[pure pulsar]

how many waves are there?

[stone swallow]

so its kinda impossible to stay on top without stop buying and unless token explodes its not worth it imo to go for leaderboard

[stone swallow]

i think they intended 6 waves for the first set? not sure i think there is a blog about it somewhere

[pure pulsar]

thanks for sharing. im getting the idea. so the ILV prize is not really that great with current ILV price

token will not be dilluted as much as the illuvitars

[stone swallow]

https://illuvium.io/news/illuvium-beyond-a-collectible-card-game-with-endless-possibilities

[pure pulsar]

6 waves. If we are getting 300K illuvitars, there should be 1.8m supply huh

[stone swallow]

'Each Illuvitars Wave contains 25 Illuvials. Tier 0 Illuvials will be available in all waves. Each Wave will last 3 months, and there will be 6 Waves in the first set, but we might sell multiple waves at the same time towards the end of the set because we want each set to last approximately 12 months.'

alphas are more limited probably tho

[still herald]

No problem. It depends on the original investment.. for me it's worth it at the moment

But yeah it s more of a long term view on the token price

[pure pulsar]

might be a good idea to hold off new waves

[next slate]

You are transferring assets to a burn address (0x00...0000).
Once transferred, these assets cannot be recovered.

[barren bobcat]

We've suggested spacing them out a bit more. There will also be partnership disks between waves which will help with that

[pure pulsar]

good idea. should wait for the game launch.

[fathom lintel]

Gotta love it when people come here, spend 10 min on Beyond, and start dishing out paper napkin ROI calculations based on so many wrong assumptions...

[pure pulsar]

i get my answers, it works

[pure pulsar]

please correct my assumptions

[open burrow]

do you think we can reach the 200k disk sold?

[neon tapir]

Suggestion: A new set of accessories for future waves. Same power multipliers and everything only different looks, but with an optional 1 to 1 swap - old accessory for the new one of the same stage/tier. This would essentially be just a cosmetic update for accessories that will hopefully fit better on the illuvitars and appeal to more tastes. I love album collections and whole Beyond experience, I just hate having to absolutely rip the looks of some illuvitars, and not in a good way.

[outer creek]

Too much work for the team. They’ve got enough…..

[runic glade]

I too enjoy slapping grey sunglasses that block 20% of my illuvitars. whenever I bond i feel like i'm really burning the avatar

i guess that's a good thing for unbonded value in the long run

[coral moth]

Okay a lot to unpack here haha.

“100% is not a lot in crypto”agreed. Especially when talking small cap.

“NFTs are illiquid compared to tokens” again agreed.

“NFTs are getting diluted every 3 months” HEAVILY disagree here. The wave gets diluted for 3 months and then never again. Do you think the value of your wave 1 illuvitars will be lower if the game is a success? Because there will be possibly 10s of millions of non wave 1 illuvitars? There are many examples of this in the space. Origin axies for example. They weren’t even different, a simple origin tag and perceived rarity is all it took. Wave 1 are actually different with different utility.

“Historical price is declining” be on the lookout for charts on IlluvialMaster to show this isn’t necessarily true. Most low rarity illuvitars started high, then dropped off in a few days. But most have gone mostly sideways since. Rhamphyres we’re different. They started around 0.6, got to ~1.4, now back to 1. So they’ve trended up overall. Even with wave 1 not over. We’ll see how they behave in the months after wave 1.

“Mega D1Sk is $45 while holo is $10” Nope, the value of packs is still much higher than what you pay on average. Holos are 1/20 and more common in megas so just looking at holo only tells a sliver of the story. Although the value is heavily weighted to the “jackpots”. Rhamphyres and other ultra high value stuff. NFA of course.

[pure pulsar]

there are 6 waves in total. 5 more waves to go. suppy could go 6x higher.
commons will get more dilluted. as i said, super rare like ramphy can hold becaus in nft terms we call it the grails. recently gold ape was sold for 500eth while floor ape is 45e. grail is grail. they dnt represent the collection.
i think we are looking at different time horizons. everything pumps in the bull market.

[crude field]

But each wave has different sets of collection?

[pure pulsar]

common is common

just wait for wave 2 and 3, you'll see

for grails, the more you open disks, the more rare they get

[coral moth]

I would love to setup a bet on this. You think Archie’s are going to be $0.30 in 2 years if the game is very successful?
With they appreciate relative to ETH, I’m not sure. Will they appreciate relative to USD? I’m 110% confident if the game is a success

[pure pulsar]

2 years is bull market

even my hidden wallet can go up

[coral moth]

Okay I’ll frame it differently. Archie’s will be worth a ton more than set 2 wave 1

Most common

[pure pulsar]

take a look at land for example. we unlikely to see more supply for awhile. why is it going lower with the same supply?

[coral moth]

Bear market things… Prices fluctuate. I haven’t checked in awhile but last time I checked ILV was a better deal IMO too

[barren bobcat]

That 'just a cosmetic upgrade' would literally double our workload for each future illuvitar/wave, plus more time to go back and add them to all the illuvitars we've already done . So if you want to wait 6 months between waves then you go ahead and push that IIP XD

[pure pulsar]

how long do we have until wave 1 is done?

[coral moth]

About 20 days.

And there are unlimited waves also. Not just set 1 waves

[pure pulsar]

let's see if floor price is trending up leading to it

i honestly dnt know anything about the waves. i just see it generally more supply means lower floor price

because i doubt we are getting double the holders with wave 2

the leaderboard will be underpressure, you need twice the amount of illuvitars to get the same reward

[tired stone]

That’s not even factoring in the burning mechanism to create substance

[pure pulsar]

i dont mean to upset people, just trying to figure out if playing the leaderboard is profitable for me

[coral moth]

I’m not upset dw haha.

I just think you’re making a lot of incorrect assumptions. Some probably incorrect, some are wait and see.

I would say if you’re only in this for playing the leaderboard it’s not worth.

I think it’ll be profitable in terms of appreciating value though

[pure pulsar]

yea im not looking to invest in nft or crypto anytime soon. im 100% stables and just playing small hands

[coral moth]

And value you get from collection rewards

[pure pulsar]

just looking for short term gain while waiting for the crash

[coral moth]

Do you have any nft collections that you can point to to provide some evidence for this? Genuinely curious.
What I’m specifically referencing is that “common is common” point.
So an nft collection that had initial “commons”. Then you could never get those again. Then another batch of “commons” were released. Although for it to be a true comparison those original commons need to have different utility that you can only get with the first “wave”.

I’m being very specific because what it sounds like to me is that you’re trying to apply the “rules” of more traditional nft collections to these. And they’re wildly different

[pure pulsar]

no, i have never seen mint like this

love to see my thesis proven right/wrong

[coral moth]

So what makes you think “common is common” when people will need to buy wave 1s to complete different collections?

[pure pulsar]

because i dont believe we will get much more new comers

people who want to profit from the leaderboard will be "left out"

thats good if $ILV is on the rise

[coral moth]

Oh well if you’re talking very short term than sure I agree. But I don’t care at all about that really. I think the price rise of wave 1 will be very very slow after wave 1. As I agree with you holder count won’t go up all that much in wave 2. Maybe wave 3 depending on where the projects at.

[pure pulsar]

i remember ur a content creator?

i was trying to find a video about how to make money off leaderboard

[coral moth]

If you can still call me that 🤣. I plan on making more videos but I’ve been consumed by working on illuvial master ever since illuvitars release

[pure pulsar]

@languid star did a video, click baited, he opened a ramphy

i was like bruh

what are the chances lmao

he said its 10e or something damn

i never get lucky holding unrevealed nft, i just stick to sell pre reveal and trade floors

[coral moth]

I mean, like I said before the expected value of the packs is higher than the pack value so here’s the video. “Open wave 1 packs, specifically megas”. All done XD

The reason that’s true while mints are still happening is because of illuquidity like you said though

[fathom lintel]

This means that you will not have many new competitors and once you are on the leaderboard, you can keep your spot longer and earn longer. Some people assume you will have to keep spending the same amount with every new wave to preserve your spot, but that is far from being true. There are many overlapping collections that you don't have to do again in new waves. If someone is in top 100 after wave 1, they have a very good moat and have to spend maybe half as much to keep up in future waves.

[pure pulsar]

make sense

[coral moth]

If you want a better answer that will still be unsatisfying, it’s to learn all about collections and how things interact with each other. So that you learn if something is over/undervalued. And keep buying packs and rinse repeating. And scrape off profits from the top

Best to do at the start of the wave as volume is much higher.

[pure pulsar]

you prob have the volume chart?

i almost cant exit from my land position, it was pretty hard to find buyers even if i keep undercutting

[languid star]

Sold for 6.85 ETH. I was happy with it

[pure pulsar]

big W

[languid star]

Yeah. Only reason I’m able to be in the top 100 right now

[coral moth]

I think most of us would haha. I’m just happy I got an uncommon rhamphyre

[fathom lintel]

You can buy cheap power off the market right now and bond strategically to be able to climb the leaderboard spending half the money than someone who butchers bonding. And there are many people even high on the leaderboard who are butchering power due to the way they bond their accessories.

[pure pulsar]

you invested it back in ?

[languid star]

I pulled out 5 ETH and reinvested the rest into illuvitars

[pure pulsar]

smart money

[languid star]

Still waiting for sILV2 to drop lower so I can pick up more for wave 2

[tepid geyser]

God luck with that one.

[pure pulsar]

short term gain or the crash?

[coral moth]

We’ll see if we can lol. I’m planning on spending bitcoin on silv2. Hoping silv2/btc shoots down in the next week or 2

[languid star]

Short term gain in illuvitars is basically for the first week. After that you have to start thinking more long term. Imo

[coral moth]

The free money of silv2 being 50% the price of ILV is over though 😞

[tepid geyser]

Luck is required for both. You've been sat in cash while the market pumped over 100%, not a good strategy.

[languid star]

Fortunately I was smart enough to buy a bunch when it was around 20$, but i spend most of it. And I’m shocked how well it’s been holding up

[coral moth]

This is why I auto buy ETH every single day no matter what 😌. The low stress stRtegy that will outperform almost all traders

[fathom lintel]

Do you still believe this is coming?? Johnny alone is capable of soaking up the sILV supply, it's never gonna drop again relative to ILV, imo

[coral moth]

I got a ton at $20. It just seemed SO ridiculous

[coral moth]

You’re shocked? Why?

[languid star]

Well I don’t think it’ll stay around that 90% of ILV. For a while I was thinking it could go back to 60%, but at 80% I’ll buy more

[tepid geyser]

Talking of luck, yeah, that just happened 😱

[dire shuttle]

Hi team does anyone know of a easy way of calculating your Illuvitars power levels without bonding them to see if you have a chance of getting on the leader board.

[coral moth]

??????????

[languid star]

More like I’m shocked based on how I felt prior to the illuvitar sale. As the weeks have gone on I’m seeing it will keep getting bought up

[coral moth]

We just 4xed the supply of holo rhamlhyres wtf lol

[tepid geyser]

No, I didnt get them all today. Still only 9 total 😆

I got the common to complete the set.

[coral moth]

Gotcha, nice!

[languid star]

Would you like a lending system where you could let someone borrow it for X ILV each week?

[coral moth]

We’ll be lucky to get to 80% again. Well we get wick to it easily. But a non wick 80? Idk

Hope I’m wrong

[languid star]

Once open beta hits it’ll stay above 90%, I’m just hoping we can get below 80% once more before then. Hopeful thinking 😂

[fathom lintel]

Your only chance is catching someone dropping a large amount due to scare news or something. There are enough big spenders here already who are seeing the value and buy it up for future waves or just opening more disks now

[coral moth]

Yeah haha.

I actually think wave 2 is a better play than wave 1. So I want more silv2 for it..

[languid star]

It happened a few weeks ago and I picked up a little bit around 37$, but it got bought up real quick. Gotta stay ready

[fathom lintel]

I agree 100%. I don't see it happening and I hope I'm wrong, lol

[languid star]

At the time that was like 70% of ILV

[coral moth]

This is the graph of silv ILV ratio. It doesn’t look good to get back there haha.

[fathom lintel]

Yep, I saw that dip, bought some as well, but as you said, it was a short window of opportunity. Maybe we can catch another one, who knows

[pure pulsar]

did i say when i sold?

[languid star]

Hope so!

[tepid geyser]

I know what is more probable, but you can tell us whatever you like regardless, so it doesn't really matter.

[pure pulsar]

you must like banter. here comes the face melt

[slender jetty]

Eww

[spare temple]

I think people figured out not to waste their time speculating/arguing with jag months ago. Some of you were prob the same people 😹

[pure pulsar]

idk if i have talked to alexa

you guys changed yur pp

[pine willow]

It does something now?
Kek
🤷‍♂️

[valid sierra]

#🎮〕illuvium-beyond message

[pine willow]

Oh

So no.
Just re issued

Derp

[gilded sage]

how does this work? you can swap btc for silv2?

[tepid geyser]

I honestly have no idea as I was primarily chasing a collection not necessarily leaderboard position.
In pursuing the collection I pulled a lot of rare illuvitars that I was willing to bond, so both kind of happened at the same time.
It isn't cheap though and I have always argued that the rewards should not be the sole motivation for going after leaderboard, just buy ILV if you want the rewards that badly.

[pure pulsar]

thanks for sharing

would you rather have higher rewards?

[tepid geyser]

No worries.
No, because I don't think people should be profiting from leaderboard, just to be incentivised.
I think it's a good balance.

[tired stone]

Anyone know when all of the wave 1 lynx lines will be added? Just curious

[pure pulsar]

what do you think will happen with wave 2

i see ur pretty competitive

huge gap between u and the 2nd

[elder pawn]

now that d1sks are here, I'm not sure it will drop that much. I hope it will though. People will be thinking they can buy more d1sks and flip it.

[coral moth]

No, what I meant was indirectly trading it.
Move btc to a CEX, sell for ETH, move ETH to Ethereum, swap for silv2.
The net effect of that is basically trading a silv2/btc pair

[languid star]

Yeah. I guess I should have bought more at 20$ 😂

[chrome harness]

so my understanding is tier zeros and accessories will be the same in wave 2 meaning that their value is limited after they meet your needs...if you have excess of these I'd sell them now for what you can (with holos and acces. +11 power the exception). And I have no clue why someone continues to list the same illuv w/acces at the same price repeatedly through the day, all at a higher price than if you bought the pieces separate. If you want to sell a common bonded illuv price it at a discount, and keep dropping it till you hit market. Give you some eth for next wave 🙂 TTFN

[elder pawn]

we all wish we did 😂

[pastel bison]

mornin' folks

[astral ermine]

Will there be a trade feature for beyond?

i feel like this is missing

[onyx briar]

From my understanding you would need to have account abstraction first. I think I saw a proposal on Ethereum about switching from EOAs to that. Then IMX would need to implement that functionality and expose it in their apis.

I have not dived to deep into the passport system of IMX though and maybe they are building a solution inside that system.

[pastel bison]

we could do it with Illuvium as an escrow, but I don't think we want to go down that route, a trustless solution should be pretty doable on zkEVM with a web/backend based layer over the top, but definitely not trivial... in any case our focus right now is Open Beta for the games

this sounds like a solution a third-party could put together 😉

[burnt ferry]

Snapshot in 2 hours?

How Long after that Till rewards will airdroped?

[pastel bison]

it might be a while for the first few times as its not automated (maybe a few days depending on availability of signers)

[turbid moss]

oh man.. so Snake Shot is in 5 minutes

Top 100 will get at least 1 ILV

[spiral tide]

Well, this marks a milestone for Illuvium Beyond

[turbid moss]

Well. is it Snap Shot yet?

first Snap for Illuvium Beyond

boom

[tired stone]

it should have been a min ago

[turbid moss]

from 80s to 120

I wonder how many times did the 100 changed

during the last few minutes

[worthy tide]

aahahahahhaa

[spiral tide]

It looked like there was a bit of activity today

[worthy tide]

the fight for top 10 was close

in the end

[turbid moss]

I was guessing earlier a few months ago I guessed by the end of wave 1 top 100 will be at leat 700,000 points

[hasty grotto]

the race for the leaderboard snapshot was close I almost got kick'd out of the top 50

[turbid moss]

you need to spend some money to be top 100

I say around 300 to 500 packs

[spiral tide]

Yea, Rank 9 / 10 / 11 are very close

[worthy tide]

idk what happened but i bonded my zephyrlynx and i could sleeve it to 2 additional sleeves that werent sleeved before for a quick 6k points that i didnt even know i had

so clutch haha

jumped from 11th to 9th with a few minutes left before snapshot

[turbid moss]

sweet

now I can take a break

[hasty grotto]

I cant seleve 1 in an acessory slot says I dont own the iluvitar but it wouldnt have impacted my position but I bug report it anyways

[languid star]

I stopped at 250, but I got lucky

[turbid moss]

Oh hey.. wow.. you must have got some sweet stuff

[languid star]

Early blazing rhamphyre was key

[turbid moss]

WHAT

Alpha?

does Alpha make the points higher?

[languid star]

Nah. like day 2 of non alpha

[turbid moss]

Blazing Rhamphyre holy cow

congrats

[languid star]

Funny cause now a rhamphyre is the only one I'm missing

[turbid moss]

I got one normal rhamphyre and bought another

[languid star]

I might have to get one. I barely made that snapshot haha

[turbid moss]

89?

[languid star]

Yup,

[turbid moss]

we are not that far apart

[languid star]

Were you hustling like me that last hour? haha

[turbid moss]

no

[languid star]

I had to bond a bunch of T0s

[turbid moss]

I bonded a few days ago as much as possible

I probably didn't bond as efficiently as possible

I tried.

I wish the system will automatically sleeve

for the most optimal points

[languid star]

Yeah I tried to bond efficiently, but not sure if they all made it to the album

[ionic stratus]

I hit top 50 on the buzzer not sure if i made it in time 😅😅😅

https://tenor.com/view/buzzer-beater-kobe-bryant-kobe-basketball-three-point-shoot-gif-16356841

[hasty grotto]

Solved it i was using the wrong ID ......lol

[turbid moss]

so excited to get my 1.5 ILV

show me the Money

is it going to be locked for 2 years?

LOL

[turbid moss]

hope so

[boreal socket]

clutch if you did!

[ionic stratus]

I was sleeving with one minute to go 😂😂 I hope they didn’t snapshot bang on 10:00

[ionic stratus]

Pretty sure I missed the three pointer I needed for top 50 😖😖

At least I didn’t kick someone out of the top 50 that would have been rough for them.

[pastel bison]

the snapshot was taken on the dot, and reflects what had been processed at that time by the system

[hasty grotto]

Im glad I got up 1 hr early to makesure otherwise i would have been kick'd out of the top 50 for sure but I made it

I hope

[pastel bison]

there was a bit of movement in the last few seconds, but mostly within the tiers (i.e. from 60 to 55 rather than from 60 to 45) ...in any case the system snapshot is final... I assume it will be published some time soon

keep in mind that you pressing the button at the last second to sleeve something would mean you MISSED... the request still has to be sent and processed

[hasty grotto]

I celebrated by buying some disks ....and wild pulls from the standard disk best in a while kinda whishing I'd bought nega's instead now

[ionic stratus]

I am not worried about missing one weeks snapshot just happy the ball is rolling now 🫶

I made a really ugly rypter in my desperation 😂

[elder pawn]

yeah, i made a couple small mistakes too on the way

[past tundra]

https://tenor.com/view/throw-it-in-throw-cooking-mixing-baking-gif-17730822

[remote saddle]

Will there be dark holos for wave 2?

[past tundra]

I think no

[past tundra]

Sounds like something like that would only be in the promos… #🎮〕illuvium-beyond message

Aaron showed up and shared a lot that started with the most recent pin.

[remote saddle]

Hmm pretty sure it was in one of the AMAs that in would be in future waves.. but who knows that was 100 AMAs ago. I couldve just made that up

[past tundra]

Ah I’ve given up on listening to most AMAs. The wonderful community like yourself helps to keep me informed.

[broken cosmos]

after the wave one sale, will there be another alpha version for set 2?

[weary gust]

Each wave will have an alpha sale as far as I'm aware.

[hasty grotto]

When "official confimation" of snapshot results ......lol

I did my own but Im not posting anything Unofficial 😂

[weary gust]

Yeah it sounds like there was movement right down to the last second. Better we just wait for official 😅

[barren linden]

Just pulled Galaxy ILV Playful Atlas!!!!

[barren bobcat]

First I've heard of it XD
100% won't be in wave 2

[fathom frigate]

1m points for top 50

Wow

[mossy turtle]

i think rather it was going to be "darks" in future set's, not waves in this set

[fathom frigate]

Probs can’t continue to spend so congrats to all top 100 some serious collections going on here

[zinc sundial]

why are my illuvitars not shown in there?
Wallet is connected and works, tetsted it by buying a disk, if i look into my illuvitars they are all there. I remember seeing them in the album before...

[minor merlin]

try to log out and log back in again.

[zinc sundial]

thanks, worked now. really seemes odd because everything else worked

[chrome harness]

Do we know exactly when the next wave starts? In part due to the triple payouts I will be buying disks wave two, but not alphas most likely as I don't see the 5x value exchange....maybe even give alphas a 500 point power boost? And I I'll be buying only mega not standard...who needs more zeros and clown noses? 🙂

[coral moth]

I think there will be some time. Aaron mentioned 3 weeks for promotional D1SKs, although I’m not sure how that’ll work if they sell out in 5 mins, maybe we just won’t have active D1SK sales for a bit.
Then not sure if wave2 will start immediately. I know it’s been floated by the team and people to have a short gap. Not sure if we will though

[spare temple]

Jes, gap create demand….

[chrome harness]

Thanks @coral moth ....do we know if the promotion illuvitars will be used on the leaderboard??? That could throw quite a wrench in peoples strategies lol

I suppose by definition these will be "alphas" too

[pastel bison]

promos can be used in Albums, for example if you got a promo Squizz it could fill a Squizz slot, although promos can be powerful they come with pre-bonded accessories so they cannot become more powerful... I don't know the exact values, but they aren't going to render your Holo Rare Expression T5 Background Illuvitar obsolete

they will be promos not alphas, they won't have the Alpha attribute set to true (nor the upcoming Alpha logo/watermark)

[chrome harness]

Thanks Johnny 🙂

What is your thought on Alphas? Will they have any more power/ability other than rarity as a collectable in the future?

[pastel bison]

Alphas are not related to power, they are a trait for collectors. Personally I'd like to see lower number of Alpha d1sks in the next sale to make sure they are really rare and also to help the T0 Alphas stay valuable. But this a personal preference not an indication of agreed direction.

[alpine dew]

wen rewards airdrop?

[pastel bison]

Aaron and blockchain team are looking after that but I don't expect it will be too long.

[alpine dew]

Whatca think of my new Goliant Johnny?

1 of only 6

I adopted/bought him but I will love him like my own 😆

[pastel bison]

Jealous ... not too happy with my lar few days of d1sks ...

[tepid geyser]

Would you like to adopt his brother? 😀

[slender jetty]

Or sister

[ionic stratus]

How much 😉

[burnt ferry]

Inswap for Partyglas

Rainbow

😉

[worthy tide]

alpha btw 😛

[restive kettle]

I see, goliant flex time it is....

[open burrow]

for the last 7 days of disk it would be nice do something else to sell more isnt?

[tepid geyser]

What something else would you suggest?

[open burrow]

maybe something unique like a special skin or a trophy or something for being on the 1º position in the first wave

something exclusive just for the winner

[ivory cliff]

Do we have any further information regarding the promo disks sale? Like will it be limited amount, ETH only or whatever?

[coral moth]

I don’t think we have confirmed details. But what I’ve heard is that it will be a limit or 20k. Aaron mentioned something about 3 weeks but if it’s only 20k I’d imagine that would sell out rather quickly. I don’t see why they would limit to ETH and not SILV, but I haven’t seen anything on that. I’m sure we’ll get more confirmed details soon

[surreal pecan]

There was a YouTube video this week with tsj, Kieran and scoriox and they had a few details… $50 each is what Kieran said- I didn’t hear anything about eth only

[weary gust]

I believe kieran also hinted at only 20k D1sks for promo. For the first one at least

[tepid geyser]

Will there be a 10 disk per order limit like with Alphas?

[weary gust]

Wasn't mentioned. Decent chance though given the limited amount imo

[burnt ferry]

Wtb ramphire for 0.85 eth

[wide swan]

move that decimal over one and you got a deal

[burnt ferry]

1 ETH is floor so ITS Not far away is someone wants liquitiy

😉

*if

[main talon]

#🛒〕beyond-dex

[burnt ferry]

since today ma album does not show up do you guys have same problems

[night basalt]

have you tried to log in and out, and/or clear the browser cache? (mine album is working)

[burnt ferry]

ya should try this again

how mutch ramphrie minted till now?

ramphyre

and after wave 1 no chance to mint one again yes?

[night basalt]

189 so far if i'm not mistaken

[burnt ferry]

And someone know whats the Chance on a mega Disk to Pick one?

[tepid geyser]

Pic?

[burnt ferry]

Get

Sorry what do you mean alexa

[tepid geyser]

Picture 😀

[burnt ferry]

From what

[tepid geyser]

The Rham 😂

[burnt ferry]

Floor dont mind

How mutch rham do you have Alexa

[tepid geyser]

Embarrassed to say 😆

[rich elm]

I have 32gb ram. You can buy for 0.85 eth.

[burnt ferry]

Better buy 36 mega Disks ore buy a ramphyre, what does the pros mean

Its the Last illiuvial i need for Wave 1

[tepid geyser]

I thought you was selling one, not buying. Hehehe, my bad 😂

[burnt ferry]

Without a ram im soon Out of top 50 i think

Ofc i can buy more cheap holos

[tepid geyser]

If the .85 was net, i'd let one go.

[burnt ferry]

DM

[alpine dew]

this one is nice🔥

[normal steeple]

2 exact match and i own both, This is my flex 🙂

[tepid geyser]

Very nice and extremely rare 👏 😍

[coral moth]

Did you just happen to open both 😮

[normal steeple]

Yes, i opened both.

[pastel bison]

Promo deals obviously involve another player and we have to make concessions to come to a place that both parties are happy with. We only want to partner with people who bring something to the table (ideally a whole lot of new potential players as well as positive and aligned brand associations), but that means they have negotiating power too (as they should).

[pastel bison]

... maybe I open standards instead of megas today, I have a feeling...

(RSI incoming)

[pastel bison]

Not too bad from a standard

[rotund halo]

Nice Illuvitars. I still wanna get a super rare card. Fingers crossed for wave 2!! (It's definitely been hard to be patient but I'm trying to stay strong 😸)

[chrome harness]

@pastel bison are you planning to buy the promo deals? a little or big dive? Still wanting to see what the disk structure looks like also 🙂

[pastel bison]

Will buy some for sure, not sure how many yet, I'll probably start with 100 and see how I feel after that.

(then again maybe I can't buy more after that ... they might sell out real quick who knows)

[tepid geyser]

Just pulled this Goofy and completed the background trifecta 😍

[pastel bison]

yeah that background is nice

[dim hamlet]

Alexa and Johnny you guys know its 50% off today on Ramphies

go ahead and list them with discounts attached

[pastel bison]

but you need to get them all same colour ... 😉

[alpine dew]

Do you just have an unlimited piggy bank? How many disk have you bought to pull 3 Rhampyres

[tepid geyser]

I wish 😆 . I've done just over 8k disks now, but I am going to slow down in prep for the promos and next wave.
Odds are 1 in 1000 though, so on average you would need 1500 disks. I must have gotten extremely lucky. So many pull sessions felt bad though 😂 .

It is important to pull megas too. Standards have really low drop rates for rares and holos too, not good if you're looking for bangers.

[runic glade]

feel like if you're not ready/can't afford to open 500 megas you shouldn't bother. could be like me have a dry 200+ mega disk streak. would've been way way better off buying off market

[alpine dew]

That's like 250k 👀 👀

[rich elm]

Damnn second and third rarest gaysir

250k.. What do you do for living? 😱😱

[potent tulip]

https://tenor.com/view/love-hearts-forever-love-in-love-patrick-gif-17244409

[potent tulip]

not the best, but i like it 🙂

Bought myself 75 d1sks .. hoping to get a Ramph to complete my collection 😮

[fathom lintel]

I bought 30-40 based on pure looks, and will keep them forever, it's not just about power

[potent tulip]

if i dont find it,, ill gotta try and scoop one up

[potent tulip]

https://tenor.com/view/cheers-amen-church-drink-gif-15452405

[fathom lintel]

It's also the only one missing for me, I guess there are lots of us

[potent tulip]

yeah,, the rarest creature in the set 😛

i need to safe some funds for the next wave.. Ophisto (stage 3 squid) enters the collection 😮

which i 100% need

but i also needed a demonic squid this wave which i still havent found

Oh yes!

[fathom lintel]

Demons were my best opens, 2 of them within 20 standard disks. I guess that was my lucky streak. If you open 2 rhamph from your 75 disks I trade you one (with others added, of course) 🙂

[potent tulip]

deal

[fathom lintel]

Also looking forward to promos and wave 2, I will have my good variance at some point, I'm OK if that happens with Ophisto 🙂

[potent tulip]

its looking very bad so far 😛

[fathom lintel]

As long as there is a disk, there is hope

[potent tulip]

basicly just archies, atlas and dokas so far 😂

oh.. and lynx

[fathom lintel]

My second profession this year will be a lynx dealer. Must have picked up 30 holos from the market on top of my opens. A holo lynx for 5 bucks?? Ridiculous deal, imo

[potent tulip]

😅

happy with this one

[hasty grotto]

did we ever get and official conformation of the leaderboard snapshot?

[potent tulip]

i think we did

18th

it was

if i remember correct

[hasty grotto]

cant find it any link ????

[potent tulip]

#📣〕announcements message

[hasty grotto]

yes the snapshot was taken but I dont see the "Winners Annocument" yet unless Im blind

[potent tulip]

ohhh i dont know if that is shared , but im sure its documented.

seriously only t1's .. pfew

worst 75 d1sks ever 😂

[rich elm]

Nope not yet.

Curious to see if we get the rewards before the next one

[tepid geyser]

They did say that the first ones would be slow as they will be done manually.

[worthy tide]

disgusting and my blushing is worth 0.5

[rich elm]

Yeah they did say that

[chrome harness]

how are people trading illuvitars privately? Isn't there gas fees?

[tepid geyser]

Zero gas on IMX

[worthy tide]

i would not sell my Geyser for 3 eth if i got an offer probably not even 5.

[chrome harness]

How does that look @tepid geyser if I want to get a ramp from you....I send eth how? and what address do I give you?

I assume not metamask

and do I just trust you to send it lol

[tepid geyser]

I would always recommend going through an official marketplace for straight sales.

[bleak crown]

Safest way is to use the marketplace

[chrome harness]

what I have done but I see people talking about trading here all the time...just wondering how you do it

and not against it, just an advantage of course if avoid commission

which I guess hurts Illuvium some as part of the fee is theirs

[bleak crown]

I would only do a trust trade with a friend IRL. Marketplace 5% can be thought of as “insurance” maybe haha

[chrome harness]

that's a lot on a 2k rhamp lol

thanks for answering all

[bleak crown]

Better than 13% taxes 🙂
But yes can certainly be a lot with big sales

[chrome harness]

god if tax reporting happens here that is a disaster...hopefully they just consider it a game and not an investment (which is what I do)

I mean imagine if you had to report each transaction here? madness. And certainly most of us have only sunk capital.

Just to play the game.

[past tundra]

Paying taxes is important. Be sure to consult a legitimate tax expert.

[pure pulsar]

are you guys having fun?

[mossy turtle]

Yes

[tepid geyser]

Yep 😀

[chrome harness]

@past tundra yep, pay all mine, and agree, they are coming after this area. I doubt even Alexa has huge gains as they had to buy a lot of disks to get the big prizes, which is what they really are, not securities. But if reporting is added it would complexity and make the game less fun, if not impossible. I suppose this is a risk to ILV, but low at this time I would assume. I think taxes have real value, yet can be oppressive also if not done properly or wisely. It is why it's good the marketing for this is not about making money but playing a world class game for prizes to make the game fun.

[pure pulsar]

nice

[strong nebula]

How do we access beta codes from the launch party?

[minor merlin]

You get them when pb3 launches.

[dreamy raven]

I still have the search bar bug on the Illuvidex. Anyone else?

[tepid geyser]

Me too. Can't search anything.

[slender jetty]

Tokentrove ftw

[dreamy raven]

Yeah. I like illuvidex more though. When it’s working of course

[ionic stratus]

Have the rewards come through yet ?

[past tundra]

I have not heard. But I’m not really following it (not shooting for the board)

[pastel bison]

hey folks

With the rewards we are just working out if we want to create a custom contract or use something like disperser (we don't want to pay gas for every transaction). It should be done before the next snapshot.

I don't see any reason we couldn't publish the snapshot data before then ... if people are curious to know where they landed (specifically for the handful of people floating around that 50 mark).

[still herald]

Hey Johnny ... yep I think that would be a good idea!

[plush drum]

Can anyone point me to the day/time of the week that the Leaderboard snapshots will be taken each week? I missed this week because I for some reason had it in my head that it was happening Friday

[pastel bison]

Thursday's 0:00 UTC (10:00AM AEST)

Woo, haven't opened one of these for a while:

[ionic stratus]

In a while 😅😅 I haven’t pulled a common ramy

[pastel bison]

you probably haven't opened 9000 d1sks though

[fierce island]

9k disks oh wow

[fossil kraken]

Wow

Nice catch

[pulsar venture]

Are there plans to sell Wave 4 after?
Will rewards still be paid after all Waves have been sold?
If ILV is increased to 1,000$ in the future, will rewards still be the same?
Please let me know thank you.

[tepid geyser]

I'm not sure if any of those questions have definitive answers as of yet.

[past tundra]

Regarding wave 4… it sounds like wave 4 will be the last wave in the current set. After that it would be a new set based on a new set of illuvials (or at least new versions of some of the original illuvials). The new set would have waves of its own. Each wave would be on sale for pretty much the same length of time.

[royal anvil]

Someone wants that uber l33t armor skin

[pastel bison]

armour is only 5k, 10k reward isn't really very useful for me "User can design and name a plant in the Overworld" ... I just like openeing d1sks

[pastel bison]

I can't help much on this one either, I don't know what the long term plans are for rewards
There will definitely be ongoing sales (probably 2-4 per year plus promo sales) although the idea of sets and waves and how they align with the Arena Sets might be reworked down the road.

[pastel bison]

Last d1sk of the day:

(well no longer last d1sk of the day have to buy a few more after that)

[potent tulip]

I only get kukkas and archies.. opened 110 d1sks yesterday highest was a slashin.. :/

[pastel bison]

megas?

[potent tulip]

Normies

[pastel bison]

yeah pretty hard to get really high end stuff off of standards

[potent tulip]

😅

One could get lucky..

[pastel bison]

people have, just much harder 😉

[delicate delta]

Really trying to name that Plant in Overworld ay Johnny 😂

[rancid bison]

Name it the Jimberino Jump

[royal anvil]

Now you tell me 😦

[hasty grotto]

right the wife wants to go to boracay for her birthday on the 27th may and request'd a bathroom remod .....so next week might be revenge iluvitar shopping if I can afford ....grrrr

I need that blazing ramphyer

even more than my parrot

[frosty knot]

Morning, the fix is ready to be merged to Production. We had multiple deployments happening last week and unfortunately this didn't make it to prod.

[frosty knot]

Will push for this today @dreamy raven

[past tundra]

I’d imagine something like disperse would be easiest for most. I imagine there are a few wallets on the leaderboard that don’t even have mainnet activity. But I guess either way would cost some gas for the recipient to move or claim.

[sharp sigil]

Alpha to non-alpha ratio is at 19/81 ... not bad for alpha

[turbid moss]

Can't believe it 16 days left.. Half a month left before the end of wave 1

[dreamy raven]

Very nice.

[fathom frigate]

Have rewards been sent out or is it starting this week??

[elfin summit]

First snapshot was last thursday I believe. Seems they forgot to pin the announcement...

[fathom frigate]

so no distribution yet?

[valid sierra]

Wasn’t it announced in #📣〕announcements? Then we can’t pin it here?

[past tundra]

Not yet distributed. #🎮〕illuvium-beyond message

[elfin summit]

Right, of course, didn't think of that.

[tired stone]

The team mentioned it will be distributed before the next snapshot

[lunar tendon]

Any plans on implementing this @potent tulip? Thanks in advance sir!

[potent tulip]

yep i can confirm we will have something set up before the wave 2 sale starts, which will also become visible on the wave 1 alphas - afaik. We are internally trying to solve a few things.. Its .. as always with blockchain-shizzle, not as easy as u might think 😮

we have had to come to a certain truce internally over what solution is actually possible though. Im sure we can present something soon!

stay tuned 😛

[lunar tendon]

Sounds great and very exciting. Thank you for your explanation Rogier 🔥💯👍🏻

[restive kettle]

good to hear, bought 3 more alpha megas and got this cute little guy today

[potent tulip]

i painted that one 😂

[restive kettle]

looks amazing imo especially with the matching background 😁

although the resolution is pretty bad on that screenshot xD

[somber kayak]

I heared something about a burning mechanism for illuvitars/accessories that we dont need. Is that true?

[potent tulip]

i think theres some ideas flying around yes

[somber kayak]

Would be very nice for all the stuff that is not worth anything. Like clown noses etc.

[potent tulip]

i personally would much rather see different systems implemented to get rid of those 😮

and make em actually useful

[tepid geyser]

Substance?

[potent tulip]

like, make em an entry ticket to a tournament, or part of scavenger hunts that if you bring X - you get X in return

[somber kayak]

Yea sure. It doesn´t matter what is is. 🙂

[potent tulip]

or maybe u can extract dye from the accessory to use for skins in IZ

or whatever.. i dunno

[somber kayak]

Good idea for sure!

[potent tulip]

theres a lot of cool ideas we can come up with thats better than just .. trash it 😛

but burning it for substance,, which then does something ' .. dont know what - could also be a good usecase

[tepid geyser]

Increase catch rates in OW. Think I saw that idea mentioned previously.

[potent tulip]

yah

but that is a bit vague isnt it 😄

what if like.. we introduce a drone in illuvium Beyond that does mad science.. he comes up with experiments and needs specific resources for it. if you bring it - he will turn it into something else :"D

Bring him 100 clownnoses and he turns into a clown-mozart skin 😄

[restive kettle]

i like the idea to use them as some sort of material to use for skins and stuff tbh

[potent tulip]

or its random,, sometimes its a clown mozart ,, other times its just a d1sk(clown d1sk :'D) jk

i dunno..

theres so many funny things we could do with it 😛

but it has to somewhat make sense and dont make people feel bummed out about it 😛

getting 1000 clownnoses is already a bummer for some

unless ur a clown-nose-enthousiast ofc.

[minor merlin]

Maybe fraggy has that many 🤔

[potent tulip]

:X

[wide swan]

Would be cool for skins, I legit want a Clown Ranger now

[potent tulip]

ur already a clown ranger

https://tenor.com/view/cocky-conor-mc-gregor-swag-walk-gif-14354634

[wide swan]

https://tenor.com/view/ilv-illuvium-andrew-wall-emotional-damage-gif-26318274

[rotund halo]

I like this train of thought.

Like burn accessories (flat amount or weighted by rarity) to get a ticket.. There's a lot of possibilities. Entry ticket to tourney or a daily swap like you suggest, or also:

• A raffle system for a reward, like various Illuvitars
• A simple (maybe competitive) web based mini game to earn the reward

[tepid geyser]

Massive respect to this guy/gal for bonding these. Your bravery knows no bounds 💪

[past tundra]

Shutters over warpaint!

https://tenor.com/view/shirley-temple-oh-my-goodness-gif-24295201

[wide swan]

oh mai

[burnt ferry]

My new Baby with 4,800 Points

Wen rewards?

Need to buy more stuff to bond

[barren bobcat]

https://tenor.com/view/gnome-barf-rainbow-puke-gross-gif-17495939

[pastel bison]

Can't believe they didn't get the Obelisk Pipe though!

[frosty knot]

Huge!

[topaz zodiac]

https://tenor.com/view/happy-feet-penguin-happy-dance-mumble-tap-dancing-gif-13457082

@weary gust

[wide swan]

Do I need to go on a bonding spree

I hate bonding

[weary gust]

@topaz zodiac

[weary gust]

It's rough using a hardware wallet. I have to psych myself up to go on a spree. Takes a few days 😅

[wide swan]

Ordering the lattice 1

Should make it easier I hope

Ledgers are less than ideal UX anyway

Now they making me move

[crimson bramble]

Hmm is it possible unbond illuvitars?

[flint loom]

https://tenor.com/view/nope-dont-like-that-no-gif-18487207

[crimson bramble]

Oh never mind i look first at immutascan that someone can do it but no 🤙

[tepid geyser]

No you definitely cannot unbond. Once bonded, it stays bonded.

[frosty knot]

Hey @dreamy raven we didn't get the fix out yesterday, however it's now live 🫡

I'm referring to the 'Search functionality' issue on the Illuvidex

Now to buy a Holo Slashin

[valid sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/legend-snoop-dogg-great-ggn-double-g-news-network-gif-12414373

[pliant harbor]

I have a question though. I heard in a youtube Illuvium content video that the illuvitars will give bonus when ypou capture in the overworld. Can you confirm this, or is it just talks?

[frosty knot]

Hey mate.

No this isn't the case. We will always strive for a non-P2W, even playing field.

While Illuvitars wouldn't offer gameplay advantages, there will be a range of awards, cosmetics etc only available via Beyond.

[late hare]

Whats the spec to play iluvium overworld