🎮〕illuvium-arena

[violet summit]

Only gold player representing in the finals, not bad

[sinful hornet]

https://discord.com/channels/760344898200666112/1409233672019906641

made a thread about tourney mostly structure and prizing am i minority or is this more agreed on?

[tropic forge]

Question: Did you guys received the prize for the Polemos Leviathan Tournament last month? I changed my name and perhaps didn´t get mine because of that.

[sinful hornet]

i changed name too but no asked rich and just not paid yet.

[tropic forge]

He said something about last week but it seems still not ready.

So WEN ANOTHER LEVIATHAN TOURNIE??!!

[dark vine]

I talked with rich about that. Rewards are planned to go over the website as usually. So, that should work, but the person who is in charge was/is on anual leave, therefore, it will take a little longer than normal

*asked two days ago

[safe valve]

it's really unfortunate
But imo there's too much buggy stuff to somehow deal with it.
Some might haven't qualified for the final with the exact same bug or other bugs or crashes or haven't seen enemy board placement changes or whatever.

[rancid raptor]

guys when is the reset?

[ashen mango]

On Thursday

[viral marsh]

main question, for next tournament LB people will be invited with new LB, or current?

[safe valve]

28th?

🙃

[ashen mango]

That's what a reliable guy told me 👀

[viral marsh]

#📣〕announcements message

[gloomy mural]

Me too Im sure Im not qualified because of this bug but I could win 2k dollars

I agree for 100$

[tropic forge]

hmm... August 29th is Friday... weird.

[viral marsh]

i think it's mean from 28 to 29 will be.

[safe valve]

👀

[safe valve]

gona double check that 🙂

[frozen tartan]

@worn tree Good evening, my friend,
Allow me to clarify—does the development team have any plans regarding the update of Illuvials Tier 0 Stage 3 and Tier 2 Stage 3?
Currently, the situation is such that Tier 2 Stage 3 Illuvials are assembled quite rarely due to the lack of composites.
As for Tier 0 Stage 3 Illuvials, they are extremely rare—more a matter of chance than a deliberate plan.

[worn tree]

We will make lynxes more purposeful via balance. T0s overall we are happy with them but there will be something in the future that will make them different than what they are now. Can't give more details on this matter at this point in time. 👍🏻

[frozen tartan]

Thank you very much for your reply. Have a good evening.

[sinful hornet]

emapth lynx's already good, for bulwark there's just no point, arcane can be way too useless to spend gold on so unless the ult changes it's always gonna be like that, fighter and rogue lynx used to be really good before composites, if you knew for sure there's no composites they'd probably still be good.

[viral marsh]

when you say empath lynx good - it was joke?

[jolly whale]

@zenith mortar is there somewhere we can see the ipl points leaderboard?

[ebon aspen]

Strat the game with Revenant chip freaking perfect, end up with easy 5 Rev 🤣

[zenith mortar]

Not yet

[cursive echo]

@umbral oracle ?

[umbral oracle]

Pretty nice. Was glad to see it finally being played in the tourney

That grilla was Mud, Berserker, predator, nearly all full stacks

[cursive echo]

you've become a MUD professional

[charred matrix]

@quaint prawn 🙂

damn... this is amazing!
sunday night we usually had only 2 or 3 lobbies two weeks ago... and now we're almost hitting 14 lobbies 👀

[fallen vortex]

Hey @worn tree is the public info doc an accurate representation of the regions?

I am noticing 5 effects for Crystal Shores for example.

[mighty tulip]

I'd like to see a Lynx drone augment. Similar to what tft does with Warwick

[worn tree]

Hey @fallen vortex, it is not accurate. There are more regions listed in that doc that there are in the game. We will update it.

[worn tree]

That would be cool, we have some tech limiatations that we have to work on to implement these cools designs. But stuff like this is coming!

[fallen vortex]

I is the top option for each region?

[fallen vortex]

Aaron is keen on infinite scaling, so i suspect this will play a role

[sinful hornet]

with right items it just doesn't die no?

[safe valve]

Hows the work going @noble radish ?
Any update on the progress of the logic to start tweaking and testing?

[ashen mango]

100% agree, these are fun

[sinful hornet]

yea i'd like to see these for a lot more units and have them give you one of the unit, but in tft these were never balanced i don't think, either complete broken see it get 1st or unpickable

[viral marsh]

and half of them end and still shows

[viral marsh]

when 2 cost unit best healer in game, and at same time best dd for early/mid game - it's to poor call him good

[sinful hornet]

oh you think it's more than good, i thought u meant he's not good

we don't disagree

[jolly zealot]

Are there regular Leviathan games running?

[sinful hornet]

were there any 100 TPIs before this update?

[frank moon]

@worn tree when is this back2back same opponent when we have 6 players left going to be fixed? Reported that bug a few times now

[novel nymph]

I don’t like TFT but when I started playing Illuvium in the last few days, I’ve been playing it constantly...

[rancid raptor]

GM everyone. I was reading this new update but I'm not sure I understood the following. Do illuvials now have 16 traits, 6 of which are the ones we see and use for arena?

[dull wind]

they had 16 traits, now it's just the 6 visible in the hexagon.

[rancid raptor]

re-reading it but i cant find where it says that they no longer have 16

[dull wind]

yeah the TPI article they posted in the announcements was regarding the old system. Dunno why they shared it tbh...

[languid sparrow]

Yes.

Yes. #🎮〕illuvium-overworld message

[west quartz]

Holy f that’s a big boy

[dull wind]

that's after the update.

[languid sparrow]

Hoo so the udate occured some days before the announcement

[violet summit]

question, next IPL250 will have any spots filled with top8 or 16 from IPL leaderboard?

[primal flax]

I want to know if they're going to snapshot before the reset of the leaderboard or change how qualify to this one too

[west quartz]

I guess it would make sense to pick top 16 ipl

Leader board and tourneys are quite different

[zenith mortar]

https://x.com/SL1CkzTFT/status/1959903436142424173

So @spring basin this a complete misrespresentation of what actually occured

SL1Ckz (@SL1CkzTFT)

1/7 Yesterday was probably the biggest disappointment of my esports career. I was about to win the 2nd @illuviumio Pro League… but a bug in the final round cost me the title.

X · Aug 25, 2025, 8:59 AM

1. We dont know you wouldve won (Likely yes you wouldve but to say its definitive not true)
2. Council wasnt even present at the tournament to "not take action" as you said in the thread.
3. You are on the Espots Committee as I said on Sunday, meaning you helped shape the entire ruleset for this tournametn scene and I still see no messages in your esports channel to council about the event

4. I didnt tell you tro get over it, accept it and move on.

There were many people there that day, I said we dont have a rule for that particular situation and you could discuss it with council because i had to go with what i was provided

Again all of this is a giant mischaracterisation of the situation considering you couldve added this rule in about bugs if you wanted to or thought necessary ahead of time considering your contribution to the tournament scene and access to council

So to sit herre and blame illuvium and council is actually crazy

cant believe im defending council

[viral marsh]

my oppinion about this situations:

1. even this bug not happend, it's not 100% Slickz win this game/tournament: opponent main dd slashin die in 5 sec of fight, ofc rogue player replace his unit next fight, and probably win.
2. we know that it's bug with Monarch in game, but who tell that other player not meet this bug, with over dmg?
   probably i meet my opponent and lose hp in case of this bug, but not check dmg/unit die faster that should, in this case i eliminated 5th, instead of survive some more rounds - get more points and got 1st place.
   same can happend with OxMuuh - he meet broken Monarch, but not pay attention his team/some units die faster that should.

so - it's different things can happend in this game, that not let him win.

[zenith mortar]

Yes many different outcomes couldve occured for this bug not present

maybe people lost in the previous rounds too that got eliminated that shouldnt have been

everybody played with the same bug the entire tournament

[viral marsh]

we need replays, so we can check every fight, every player to made decision. not only stream replay
or we need more optional panel, where we can check dmg - how much inferno made dmg/how much omega made dmg etc

[cursive echo]

I understand better because I often meet Monarch, I who thought that the players play it for inferno lol

[viral marsh]

i know, that some players from 1 guild, love to spam air-inferno build, probably they find/know something and stay in silence, to farm easy wins? xD

[gloomy mural]

Crybaby

https://tenor.com/view/hamster-cry-tears-funny-wiping-tears-gif-23475965

[zenith mortar]

Me?

[gloomy mural]

No ofc 😁

Slickz

[lusty bridge]

@zenith mortar I didn't see it live, but IMO lets update the rules and learn from this situation. Clearly no one anticipated this...

[zenith mortar]

Yeah I'm all for that

I'm just saying to blame everyone after the fact and say we are bad and this is wwhat to expect from the IPL, as the ESPORTS COMMITTEE MEMBER is kinda wild

[lusty bridge]

Yes it would be nice to see @spring basin protest this through the council rather than publicly on X. He has as much incentive in seeing the rules improved and the ecosystem grow as anyone. Don't want the same thing to occur with a much larger prize pool. He needs to zoom out and see the big picture

[gloomy mural]

Interesting how can an emotionally unstable person be on the esports committee?

37 yo man cant handle his emotions and cries in the post in Twitter lol 😁

[viral marsh]

but he best player, and bigest Hype guild behind of him.

[cursive echo]

Yes, it's sad for Illuvium.

[gloomy mural]

But they will forgive him if he deletes his posts 100%

Kieran really likes him xd

[sinful hornet]

2 bugs happened that round, indomitable on ryplance never proced that fight

[wild pasture]

this just makes all my points about ipl points giving too many spots even more valid. People are winning gamea they shouldnt and even more, winning tournaments, using any menas nexessary. I believe that in due time ilv team will fix bugs and bad actors
so they dont happen again.

However, they will already have tons of ipl points and will get a BIG SNOWBALL EFFECT because of this since they got points early.

Early ipl points: you get qualified for say 2 insrantly SKYROCKETING your chances to get even more points, which will make you qualify for the next weeks day2 and etc.

Ladser and IPL slots should not give as many spots as it soes right now.

[viral marsh]

you sure it's not proced start of fight? he drop with hp

[sinful hornet]

ye, i can see the whole fight only grillas indom proced

[frozen tartan]

By the way, this guy is right about something.

The snowball effect in IPL is clearly real.

[wild pasture]

this will make ppl not want to play at some point

[sinful hornet]

man geniunely what is this argument, u have basically even spots given in 3 different ways

arguably the most skill reliant one is the ipl points

[wild pasture]

Both the other ways makes u play the game tho

[viral marsh]

probably you should got invite only from qualifications.
but LB position, and IPL points give extra score for your qualification results

[sinful hornet]

ye cuz farming bots 12 hours a day or in a 4 hour window is a better indicator of who should qualify rather than actual tournament performance

[spring basin]

Just to clarify before anything, this is not me criticizing you personally.
I’ve always been honest and straightforward with my opinions, and I genuinely think you did really well in this tournament. As you said in voice chat, it wasn’t up to you to decide, and I agree that was the right approach.

1. From my perspective, I had about a 99% chance of winning. In most competitive esports, even a much lower probability is usually enough to rule in favor of the player likely to win. We could even recreate the same scenario and replay the outcome, and I’m confident the result would be clear.

2. Since you mentioned it was for the council to decide, I reached out to Filo. I see him as one of the most sensible people there, so I explained what happened, shared screenshots and proof, and even sent him the video of the final fight. He brought it up with the council today, but they voted not to take action and instead just stayed quiet about it, without even making an official statement or apology.

3. Honestly, I don’t have much influence as a member of the Esports Committee right now. I put a lot of time into writing a document with my recommendations for the IPL series, but almost none of it was applied or it was changed last second. Decisions are often made without me being informed or asked for input, so at this point I don’t feel like I’m involved in shaping tournaments that much. Still, as you suggested, I did exactly what I could by bringing this to the council.

4. Once again, this is not directed at you. You did a great job, and you’ve been extremely valuable to the scene both with Illuvilytics and the help you’ve provided in chat during the tournament.

[sinful hornet]

But the situation is just completely fucked, there's legit no solution, for goodwill u could give extra money as consolation but this can only be soft fixed for next tournaments

[zenith mortar]

I didnt take it as a personal jab at me at all, I just didnt think it was fair to charactise it as a failure on illuviums part

I didnt know you spoke to council either

i just didnt see any messages

But again I think the entire outcome of the tournametn could be considered different if we go back and look at all sittuations this monarch or whatever was involved

im not even sure it was the monarch

it doesnt display any damage

trying to figure out what actually caused the damage to the ryplance

[spring basin]

Just to be clear, I’ve already done this. I brought the issue to the council, and they voted against taking any action. There hasn’t been any official statement about it, so I understand why there might be some confusion. Filo was the one who came back to me with the bad news that they didn’t want to take it any further.

[frozen tartan]

The problem is that this can’t be regulated by rules.

If you state that “in case of a bug, the game must be replayed or a monetary compensation given,” every player will send you screenshots and video proof of one bug or another.
Our game is full of bugs. I encounter them all the time, including during tournaments. But everyone is on equal footing, so I stay silent about it.

The rules need to be strict. For everyone. No exceptions.

[sinful hornet]

ofc it can be regulated by rules, if guinzera was at 1 life instead of 2 this would easily be an awarded slickz win because he's clearly winning that round

[zenith mortar]

but how do then go back and deal witht the rest of the tournametn?

what if others lost and we just didnt see it

[dark vine]

Have to agree with this. Also, it is a beta, bugs are to be expected. Going this viral about this is a let down to say the least. Bugs need to be addressed and the topic should get discussed for future tournaments, but biting the hand that is feeding you (IPL-profiteer and part of E-Sport-Council) by going ballistic on this....

[sinful hornet]

no you don't, i was about to type the follow up, that only worked if it was guaranteed the last fight of the game

[rancid raptor]

This is not possible. That's why sports have arbitrage. At some point you need someone to make a moral decision every now and then

[blazing iris]

Your also not coming from an unbiased place, your opinion is heavily skewed

[sinful hornet]

but if it was middle of the game or anything after that can't be remade right at the start the rule would just have to be it is what it is unless there's some insane bug like the immortal ranger

[sinful hornet]

ye my opinion is skewed by the fact that i can tell that fight was a win

[gloomy mural]

https://tenor.com/view/thriller-michael-jackson-eating-popcorn-watching-gif-5577709

[zenith mortar]

Happy Monday

[dark vine]

make a disclaimer bugs are part of the game for the time being. You have to live with it and done.

[viral marsh]

but for next fight, if slashin not die in 5 sec, rog can win?

[zenith mortar]

Yeah I agree we just make a rule and move forward

was overlooked

but can be fixed in future

[sinful hornet]

yes guinzera can win idk his gold maybe he hits rhamphyre maybe he positions better

that's why i had to add if it was the last fight of the game

[viral marsh]

so, it's not 99% win like he say?

[sinful hornet]

so these situations are just completely fucked, the only thing you can do is mitigation for future with closer together prizepool

[sinful hornet]

i wouldn't know what happens in the next round yea

[spring basin]

That's good! 😊

Well, it’s obvious that I lost due to a bug. Instead of finding a solution that could make everyone satisfied, fixing the bug, and moving on, the council chose to ignore the problem. That’s why we’re in this situation, and also why I wrote (I should just have accepted it and moved on). I still stand by my opinion that it wasn’t handled professionally at all and that the council handled this poorly.

[frozen tartan]

Right now, we have a raw project where bugs appear in every game—or almost every game.
Each of us encounters them.
Many of us submit bug reports. Everyone is aware of the situation.

During the tournament, there were countless bugs.
Both the tournament organizers and the players accepted this.

But singling out one specific situation among all the other bugs in this tournament is, to some extent, unfair.

When I stream-sniped my opponents and my carousel started lagging, I didn’t say a word.
Because everyone plays under these conditions.

This is exclusively my problem.

[sinful hornet]

these are 2 bugs i've never seen before so both happening same round in this exact game is just insane odds

[zenith mortar]

on a lighter note the KingzDex is coming soon thanks to some excellent dev work in bakground so it will be easier for tournament goers to buy the same stuff youre using :

where it lists all the cheapest skins and emotes and suchm one click buy

[sinful hornet]

can you give examples of these bugs?

that happened in the tournament

[dark vine]

well, I would like to bring up the interview with aaron: Next feature first, so we have all features together, polish/bugs afterwards. That totally makes sense in a beta. Therefore, I would say a disclaimer that this is a beta and bugs are part of the game is enough.

That being said I can understand that it must have been very disappointing because you already thought you are going to win, but you are going too far here, in my opinion.

[rancid raptor]

Wait did slicks win but it was replayed or something because of a bug?

[frozen tartan]

If you click on your opponents too often and/or too quickly, sometimes your carousel starts to lag heavily.
Illuvials don’t move smoothly, and it turns into a slideshow. Selecting anything becomes much more difficult.

This is a bug. It happened to me. What did I do? I stayed silent. This is my problem. The rules are the same for everyone.

[viral marsh]

i got 2nd place coz i play not good. just 2-1-5. have think about my strategy better.
but when someone play 3-2-2, and count himself champion, it's strange in my opinion.
yes - bug happend. but if you play better 1st and 2nd game - you won.

[high snow]

I had countless of rounds where the live positioning was not working. In one of my best of 32 games I could not see a single correct positioning of my opponents for the first 8 pvp rounds or so

[sinful hornet]

oh ye this is a good one, it's crazy to have bugged spectating and to sponsor tft pros at the same time

[sinful hornet]

ye see, this is so common in the last finals it happened half the rounds

[rancid raptor]

You kidding? There were TONS of bugs lol

[cursive echo]

need a lawyer and a judge for this story

[sinful hornet]

im not saying they weren't im asking cuz i have goldfish memory

[high snow]

this is the most annoying. I lost win streaks and rounds which I would clearly win, when I am able to position correctly

[sinful hornet]

and the live positioning bug didn't even occur to me as a bug anymore just as natural state of the game

[dark vine]

carousel can give you a stage 1 instead of a stage 2 on the matching map (don't know which one it is)

[viral marsh]

to prevent that, you have click on your current opponent board every round. sometimes that help see his real position

[rancid raptor]

Exactly there were a lot of bugs. We all dealt with them. It's just how it is. The finals was no exception. What's the issue?

[high snow]

it does? Why are you telling me it now Fox 😄 I needed that knowledge on Saturday xD But thanks anyway

[viral marsh]

i don't get fernite from carusel, even gold for it, coz my bench was full. and then after i buy 2nd fernite i got blazenite, like i have 1 more fernite in hidden bench spot

[viral marsh]

and otherwise - you can reposition every round, so you can be bugged for your opponent if he not click your board

[sinful hornet]

ok here's a real question, in 200 ladder games in 10 games when everyone else received a composite crate i didn't, so if this happens in tournament what do you do, cuz that player is going last from that spot straight up

[rancid raptor]

I got my opponents board frozen not showing their live movements half the freaking tournament. So do we replay it?

[sinful hornet]

the thing is these both have "fixes"

[dark vine]

imagine you would have gone for something else, because you thought fern is contested, you still need two and you can find a similar strong upgrade easier.

As you and others point out. We all have to deal with bugs for the time being. Was it an extremely frustrating scenario to encounter one? Sure! But that's it.

[spring basin]

Well, it’s also about the standards you’re used to and the standards you expect from something. The fact that the pro league has started and a lot of money is on the line and people are still somewhat okay with poor balance and game breaking bugs is just a sign of how affected some people in Illuvium are by a sort of “Stockholm syndrome.” If we ever want to go mainstream and actually succeed, we have to raise our standards a lot. But it’s also fine to have different opinions on the matter.

[sinful hornet]

for carousel you can not spam spectate before it and for frozen positioning it fixes itself if u click other players and go back to ur board

so this is basically workaroundable, but in battle or item bugs what do u even do

[cursive echo]

I pray in each game that I don't get disconnected too much.

[viral marsh]

thanks that they fix fps drop, if you watch your opponent much.
but i noticed - as more your watch your opponents boards, as higher risk got crit error.
got around 5-10 crit error during 20games i think

[sinful hornet]

i never get crashes if i restart every game

[dark vine]

That is a different topic. I agree with you on this. Considering the interview with aaron IPL started two - three month too early. But for a contest during a beta phase this is normal in every game. You are just used to finished games. The problem here is more the fact that we have IPL during beta.

[safe valve]

It’s super unfortunate that a bug decided the final match... noone wants to see that happen, especially on such a big stage.

But in Illuvium, where bugs can simply happen, handling it any other way than moving on would mess too much with the tournament structure.
Some players might have been affected by bugs without even realizing, and if we start replaying matches or overturning results, it not only could make the tournaments super mess, it could also open the door for people to intentionally force bugs whenever a game isn’t going their way.

It’s also possible (very likely) others were also affected by this same bug, or other ones. Personally, I dropped out in the KO phase in a tie-breaker against 3 others, where I not only couldn’t even see enemy board repositioning for half the rounds but also the match i dropped to 0 HP. So I know how frustrating it feels when the game doesn’t behave as expected.

What we can do is learn from it. Future tournaments need an improved ruleset, and the team is already working hard to clean up the game and optimize.
Competitive integrity is super important, and we’ll keep building towards fairer, more polished events.

[viral marsh]

when you try got to next lobby, and not wait 10 min, you click search after each game.
and restart after every game, it's not comfortable

[sinful hornet]

ye i know it's a joke that i have to do it 1 year after it's first been complained about

[high snow]

You are also not allowed to spectate another player before carousel. If I do I get the wildest errors. Sometimes my carousel will be transferred to my board and freeze there. I can even select units from it and do nothing with it 😄

[safe valve]

Absolutely agree.

• Need proper balancing
• Need fixing of the bugs that are currently occuring
• Need proper testing before the patches
• Need fast hotfixes for game breaking stuff

It was brought to attention again that meeting and actions have already been taken as far as i'm aware.
We are now start ramping up marketing, game has to be in a polished state as soon as possible.

[spring basin]

But how long can Illuvium get away with the excuse that we’re in beta? I haven’t been around as long as some others, but from what I’ve heard, they’ve been promising great things for four years, and yet things just keep getting pushed forward or the direction keeps changing drastically. We’re spending $250,000 on an event isn’t it important that it looks professional and polished so we can actually attract more players and get real value for the money we’re spending?

[viral marsh]

sometimes it's stacked unit on carusel: like he try go in portal but stack, and you can't pick him.
or other carusel bug - sometimes if 2 player come to 1 unit together, only 1 pick him, and after 2nd player can't choice other illuvial

[sinful hornet]

the fact that they're talking about "finishing arena" when it's so clunky and bug and crashes ridden isn't a good sign either

[frozen tartan]

I typed a lot, but decided to delete it.
Because emotions are my enemy.

I just want to clarify in advance: @zenith mortar , if some bug happens to me in the next tournament, do I need to document it with a screenshot? So that I could request a replay for a game that isn’t going well for me?

Or do we stick to the current (fairly reasonable) rules? If a bug happens to you, we just continue the game.

[viral marsh]

but it was in every patch for past year, so it's common for me, that we have different bugs every time, and it's take time to fix them before next patch(1 month+-)

[sinful hornet]

you can have case specific rules, any early game bug besides live positioning is a remake, any non gamebreaking bug is not a remake, a gamebreaking bug occuring in the guaranteed last round of the match can be refereed and result overturnd

[dull wind]

ok so since I'm seeing my name being thrown around a lot let me clear a couple things.

1 - You may not agree with council's decision but I don't think it's fair saying we ignored the problem. We addressed it ASAP given the circumstances.

2 - The council decision was that as per the official rules, all results remain final. Any disputes must be raised during the tournament and we agreed not to provide any compensation, to avoid setting a precedent for future cases.

3 - "Instead of finding a solution that could make everyone satisfied, fixing the bug and moving on" I don't know if you're aware how game development goes but these things are not that simple and straightforward to solve. If the bugs could all be solved by a finger snap they would've been by now.

[frozen tartan]

This is the real world, my friend.
They have a very small team.
And a significant part of it has been sent to work on the MMO.

We will constantly encounter bugs. The most we can do is submit bug reports and complain about it in this thread.
That’s exactly what I’m doing.

[dark vine]

agree mostly. Technically it is aaron spending most of it. So, not directly the DAO, but yes, if you put it that way it doesn't sound good. That being said they started to develop the current game mode around a year ago. Considering that time frame it sounds less aweful, but again, yes, hard to argue against that point.

[sinful hornet]

in this real world they're giving away 200k for no reason then

[frozen tartan]

I’m not in the mood to argue with you.

[viral marsh]

but it's less that was gived away for 1st and 2nd airdrop season

[sinful hornet]

ye that was useless as well

[dark vine]

additional note: I think arena f2p/leviathan should have priority over mmo. MMO isn't needed to have a working eco system if arena gives xp. So, my critic would go in that direction.

[sinful hornet]

if anything those airdrop seasons probably damaged them more than just not "releasing" would've

[sinful hornet]

arena can never make more money than it gives

[dark vine]

well, the eco-system would consist out of arena (xp through leviathan), battle pass (eventually Illuvials for milestones, seasons, achievments), drone runs, the old OW(which nobody plays).
The mmo just makes the ow less aweful and reduces the need for leviathan to give xp

[sinful hornet]

the ecosystem is a fantasy where in reality it turns out the playerbase is minuscule if they don't get more money than they put in or if the game is not godlike, and arena can't be the godlike game so the only hope is the mmolite

[dark vine]

that is the web3 community thinking, but applied to web2 games like dota2 shouldn't make money...

[sinful hornet]

dota2 is a godlike game

[viral marsh]

we will got mobile soon. = other chance

[sinful hornet]

there are countless other mobas who aren't godlike who don't make money and just shut down

[zenith mortar]

Are you SJUD Alt?

or wait

thats underlords?

[sinful hornet]

i haven't played the dota autobattler

[dark vine]

have you played dota (in wc3). So, "dota 1"? It wasn't always like that....

[sinful hornet]

i played 2 for a while but i played mostly league

[gloomy mural]

Guys its web3 none of web3 games dont have bugs chill and go touch grass

[sinful hornet]

there's no other web3 game besides axie that basically even exists a few years after they first appear

[dark vine]

that is always the risk with games. But that doesn't mean that the concept in general is wrong.

[sinful hornet]

ofc it is, you're making something up in your head of how your users should act instead of actually seeing what they do

[blazing iris]

You're obviously not involved in many web3/crypto games if you think these are the only 2

[dark vine]

we had three topics now. Everytime I try to address one you assume I do something in my head, while I make very clear that I do nothing in my head...

[sinful hornet]

yea mainly cuz they all kept dying

[sinful hornet]

it's not your head, it's the actual general belief of the "ecosystem" no?

you have a big idea of how you're gonna connect all these games and people are just gonna play overworld for no reason, catch illuivials, then go play leviathan and you haven't thought once that maybe people wanna play fun games instead of do chores

[spring basin]

I see your point, but I don’t think every situation is the same. What happens in a quarterfinal or another early stage of the tournament isn’t as game breaking as what happened in the last round of a 1v1, where the outcome was clear and it decided the top three of the entire tournament. There’s also video proof and everything needed to back up that it was a game breaking bug that caused me to lose. How do you think TFT would have handled a similar scenario?

No, it’s not likely that other people were affected by this. It’s the first time I’ve seen this bug, and I’ve played over 1,000 games. Bugs like the spectator issues and other similar scenarios are more common, but those affect everyone. My unit taking 20 times the damage it should have taken and also not being able to proc Indomitable isn’t something I’ve seen before. Otherwise, it would be a known issue and widely discussed.

In my opinion, they could have said something like: “We apologize that this bug happened in the final. We want to make things right, so both Sl1ckz and Muhh will share 1st place, and we will fix this bug so it doesn’t happen again. We will also make a clear statement about how we approach bugs and how to handle them in the future.”

But instead, I didn’t even get an apology for losing out on 1st place and $1,400. More like Filo bringing me the news so the problem doesn’t get talked about, nothing official, and they just expect me to comply and let it go. Do you think that’s the right approach and a professional way to handle things? I’m not saying this is the only solution just an example, but they didn’t even try to make it right, and I think that makes the problem a lot worse.

[dark vine]

well, the ecosystem can be broken down easily:

fun game -> people pay for it (even f2p - see dota 2)
Is hard to get there? Sure. Are we close? no. Is it impossible? No.

Does that mean the an ecosystem like this is the problem? No.

The problem would be that you a really good/fun game

[cursive echo]

The MMO will make a lot of money for Illuvium. It's normal to be focused on the MMO.

[sinful hornet]

i geniunely have no idea how tft handles that, very high chance it just looks at opponent gold at most and if it's low it can say ok there's a high chance you would've won that game. Could also straight up say it is what it is, i do wonder if there are actually rules in their ruleset about this exact thing

[dark vine]

what? I even said nobody is playing OW - I think this web3 bs isn't working and that f2p with battle pass is the working stuff. I just listed every possible source of income. Not more.

[sinful hornet]

you is not you

[dark vine]

ok, so you tag me put aren't talking to me 🙁 Sad.

[sinful hornet]

no man, when i say you have an idea it means someone anyone has an idea, not you

[native mauve]

Was it actually a bug or just a visual issue? I was under the impression the the calculations are already made when the fight starts the rest of the game play is just visual @noble radish can u clarify how it works?

[sinful hornet]

also->it's actually impossible 1 and 2 when you made a fun game the ecosystem doesn't matter anymore, if you have a big playerbase there's millions ways to monetize them

[cursive echo]

From this point of view he is not wrong, difficult situation, @umbral oracle helps us🕵🏻

[dark vine]

I had the indomitable bug (just pointing out that this already happened - not anything else invalidating anything else you said)

[wicked grotto]

good point

[spring basin]

I'm not 100% sure either, but there was a scenario in LoL a little while ago where a game breaking bug happened. What they did then was recreate the same scenario and circumstances, and the players started playing from there again

[sinful hornet]

i mean in lol it's really easy

they can just rewind the game any amount right before a bug happens

[zenith mortar]

Yea not sure we have that functionality

lol

Would be cool

[dark vine]

pretty sure they started at this point to develop stuff like that 😄

[zenith mortar]

i mean i think we could technically recreate the ssame battle scenario interanally \

and all the illuvial placements etc

augments and all

im guessing this is how they will debug what happened

[lilac stag]

I'll be honest, I haven't read the entire discussion here about the bug, but I still want to express my opinion. There are a lot of bugs in the game and it's impossible to track them all, so in my opinion we can't make decisions in specific situations, if someone lost because of a bug - he was unlucky. But if someone lost by the decision of the committee or other influential people - this may already seem like something personal. I would be very upset if I were SL1CKZ, but I would be even more upset if I won like 0XMUH did, and then my victory was simply taken away from me, because of the decisions of some people

[wicked grotto]

Illuvium wouldn't be Illuvium if everything went according to plan. The Illuvium universe lives by laws that we haven't yet explored ))

[viral marsh]

it's like bug in OW we have for long time: on server it was 1 fight, but we see other fight.

[gilded axle]

Thanks man
Perhaps if I spoke those words would sound like crying.

[spring basin]

I agree with your last part, and I never advocated for the win to be taken away from him, as I also mentioned above. In my suggestion, we could share 1st place so that both win and no one loses because of the game breaking bug.

[sinful hornet]

Nah you're fine, i think whichever way it would've went one of you would get scammed

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[dark vine]

well, good point. If the bug is visual that could be a different situation. Maybe, it would be the best to let them check first.

[viral marsh]

and it's explain everything. scorp lose his immortality in early fight, and when run at top of board was not full hp = die from Monarch cast. something like that. but we see other fight scenario, and at the end game it's seems like bug.
but actually it was just other kind of visual bug happen

[spring basin]

It could explain the bug, but it doesn’t make the bug any better. Suddenly, the game turns into a random scenario of which outcome of the fight will be picked. It should never even be up for discussion. What you see on the screen should always be the final result.

[viral marsh]

it's why this bug happend for OW for half of year and they not fix it?
this situations become more common for me here

[gloomy mural]

I got this bug 1 time in gauntlet

I was 1 hp and lost fight against ghost

but won the round

[stiff helm]

How long ago was this? 1 week? 1 month? 6 months?

[gloomy mural]

honestly dont remember whats week but sure that this month

mb 1-2 weeks ago

[zenith mortar]

Change of topic, but is there anyhting specific we needed from an admin side, or structurely how the touranmetn went that NEEDS to be fixed ahead of next week?
For Example:

1. Seeding: The suggested route i heard most was, Round 1: Seed by Ranked Leaderboarrd MMR, next/following rounds seed by tournament points/placement? As to not have people playing same people round to round.
2. TieBreakers? Do we need to adjust tie breaker logics? They are currently difffernt from sit and go to main draw? Do we want this moving forward or standardise it?

I fixed the Check-IN so that should be much more straight forward this week

[frozen tartan]

Each stage, the bracket can be randomized.

If someone is unlucky and the best players end up in the same bracket — nothing changes. That’s how the random draw went.

If someone is lucky and the bracket ends up with not the strongest players — nothing changes. That’s also how the random draw went.

[zenith mortar]

So you want niether? You want random every stage

[frozen tartan]

Most importantly — be strict about enforcing the rules.
That’s the key to success.
Everything should run like clockwork.

So far, I really like how you’re running the tournaments.

(But this is what I would adjust: #1409233672019906641 message )

[frozen tartan]

Full random at every stage.

Let luck decide everything. Completely reshuffle the bracket after each game.

If someone complains about being lucky or unlucky — ignore it.
Strict enforcement of the rules is the key to success.

[viral marsh]

it's happend already not much time ago, before IPL,
when 8 strong players got into 1 grp at 1/4. it was players who got 1-3 place in 1/8 in they'r grps.
that mean they play finals in 1/4. and into finals got weaker people from other groups.
it's shouldn't be random. but by place - "snake-draft" or something like that, ask Paz, was best what i see in past tournaments

[gilded axle]

I believe it should be based on IPL points, so we can have big changes every week. And the matchups should be group 1 against the last group, and so on. Lobby rank points don't change much and don't seem very fair to me. Since the idea is to take the best to the final. My group in IPL 250 was Xiko, Slickz, Fox... And Fox was left out in the first phase, in 500 only Slickz was missing. We have to have the best facing each other in the final, not in the first round. And I don't even consider myself to be among the best, but a group where there are several players who could be in the final, all in the first phase, I don't know if it makes much sense.

[viral marsh]

if you let luck decide who got into finals or not, it will look like other raffle, but calling it competitive.
for example: it's 32 strong players, and 32 casual. and random decide that strong players will play against strong all time until final.
and in finals got 4 people, who even don't know what you have to bind with what to got arcanite

[zenith mortar]

Yeah I mean for the record I agree with the Group 1 vs Last group and so on

It was meant to be that this week but was bugged

and that was the plan to make it work like that this week

[native mauve]

@zenith mortar When players from the leaderboard who qualify for both play the in the sit n go, i think those places should go to the next in line in the sit n go, not back to the leaderboard. Im fine with the IPL guys who qualify for both to go back to leaderboard...but i think the first part should be changed. That seems more fair to me

just to be clear i mean if a sit n go spot is taken by someone who has already qualified, that should stay for the next in line in sit n go not back to leaderbaord or somewhere else

Also limit to 6 matches in 4 hour window i think we have enough data, that 7th match can be unfair

[twilit storm]

we can do even better

first five matches

[sinful hornet]

I think winnie's in minority for sure with full random, it's either seed 1st round based on IPL or rank into seed round 2 in snake-1st in points gets last in points, next group-2nd in points gets 2nd last in points, keeps going, if it's codable fast. tie here would just be higher rank or higher ipl points. Basically just 1st of each groups gets 8th of each group and so on.

As for prize pool tiebreakers BO5 or do the split the pool thing are what i think are best solutions. For IPL 250 specifically BO5 is excesive

[native mauve]

Only problem with 5 matches is people can start smurfing lobbies since there will be 40-50minutes

Extra

[sinful hornet]

if your goal with setting up a limit of games is to reduce luck it's doing the opposite

[native mauve]

Definitely need seeding for at least 8 or 16 players all proper tournaments do this...never heard of random tournaments only at casino

[sinful hornet]

if the goal is to increase variance in the people who qualify it's better

yea it's just clown fiesta, u get me slickz web3 fox nareba in the same lobby in round 1 and 2 of just uninstall or what

[native mauve]

Yeah but we've seen that like 30% of people are able to get in an extra game in sit n go...happened twice to @open ibex

Where he just missed out on 7th game

[sinful hornet]

but here's the problem with that 7th game

it most likely means u went a 4th or something close to that

[native mauve]

Exactly so we cut uit out

[sinful hornet]

why

[native mauve]

Make it 6 more fair no?

[zenith mortar]

I cant do anything by IPL points yet as they arent tracked on player profiles yet

unless its manual

[sinful hornet]

oh that sucks, rank isn't that good

[zenith mortar]

which i dont like manual

[sinful hornet]

i mean it's better than random still

nah just do rank if it's auto

but can you snake seed auto after 1st game?

[zenith mortar]

so as i suggested meaning:

• Round 1: Seeded by Ranked MMR
• Round 2: Seeded by Tournament Rank after Round 1 *w/ Tiebreaker placement going to Rank MMR

[sinful hornet]

yea this is perfect

[zenith mortar]

it would have to be current MMR at time of tiebreaker.

or maybe i snapshot at beginning of tournament...

hmmm

[sinful hornet]

it can be random too it shouldn't actually affect anything

[lilac stag]

It is important to mix up the groups after each round

[twilit storm]

at time of tiebreaker make it as fair as possible

[sinful hornet]

yea that's what he's saying will happen

Ok but can more people have some feedback on top 8 prizing/tiebreakers cuz if they actually change cuz they listen to me and im just 1 guy in minority it'd be stupid

[lilac stag]

i mean if i qualified from round 1 with players A, B, C, we shouldnt play together in next round again

[zenith mortar]

the only reason i suggest at beginning of tournmanet is because say for example finals is on day 2 and some guy grinds ranked over night to make sure to beat out tiebreaksers? are we ok with that

[scarlet spindle]

I like that seeding idea

[sinful hornet]

yea i have no problem with someone doing this

like they might straight up get a harder group because they did that it doesn't guarantee him anything

but tourney's on 30th and reset on 29th, we should just take the snapshot on season end

[lilac stag]

wait did I miss something, do you want to make the rating a tiebreak? Not the last result, not the highest result, but the rating? Are you serious? Or did I get it wrong

[sinful hornet]

for seeding not for final prizing

[lusty bridge]

I disagree, the ranked leaderboard spots should go to the next in line on the ranked leaderboard and vice versa for the sit n go spots

[sinful hornet]

there's gonna be multiple people on 1st after first round, 1st 1st is gonna be highest rank

[lilac stag]

ohh, okay

[zenith mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/deep-breathe-david-rose-david-dan-levy-schitts-creek-gif-5567600972171007330

imma fishy was about to lost it on me

[sinful hornet]

i do agree sit and gos should have prio for going down on the list

[zenith mortar]

you mean for main drwa?

[sinful hornet]

i mean for qualifying

[lilac stag]

1st from group A should play with 2nd from group B and and so on, right? why do seeding again, because then players can get into the same lobby again

[sinful hornet]

oh ye that exists i guess

u can just predetermine

[native mauve]

Why?...people who are already qualified shouldn't even be playing sit n go....they only play for leaderboard...so why should they take a spot from someone in the sit n go and give it to next in line in leaderbowrd who didn't qualify in sit n go?

[sinful hornet]

as in whatever we did on the first sit and go, on the last one we did it differently right?

[zenith mortar]

im lost

[lusty bridge]

Because alot of people grind on the leaderboard and they should be represented

[sinful hornet]

as in waiting list should be the first guy who lost out on sit and go qualifier

not the first guy 1 spot below qualifying on ladder

[lusty bridge]

They do more for the ecosystem then someone that just plays the sit n go

[sinful hornet]

i mean tbh idk which one would be better so probably on that u can even flip a coin or do 1st waitlist is sit and go, 2nd is ladder, 3rd is sit and go, 4th is ladder, so on

[native mauve]

They have 16 places already they shouldn't take places from sit n go...theoretically if all top 32 from leaderbsord and ipl play sit n go and qualify top 32 the all 64 places go to leaderbaord and no one gets in from sit n go

[sinful hornet]

this is just pointless changes actually so w/e save ur time on what matters

[native mauve]

That's why u have rewards

This is a tournament

[sinful hornet]

that's not how it works, 16 from sit and gos are guaranteed, if someone qualifies from ladder and sit and go the next spot just goes the next guy in sit and go

[native mauve]

This didbt happen they went to leaderboard or am I wrong?

[sinful hornet]

that's what i don't remember, in the first IPL it for sure happened like that, in this one i don't remember what happened

[native mauve]

In the second one that's not how it worked

[sinful hornet]

i think they just took waitinglist ladder, maybe not idk i might be spreading missinformation

[native mauve]

They went to leaderboard jested of sit n go

[lilac stag]

Can we just do this simple system when we get same numbers of 1st 2nd 3rd 4th players in every group so they balance and also we get minimum players from your last group in the next stage? So from second round there is no seeds by rank or IPL

[zenith mortar]

i actually like that better

very simple

[sinful hornet]

ye it's way better i just didn't think of it

[lilac stag]

i guess this system was on all previous tournaments for last 2 months, on all hype tournaments and phantom if i remember well

but that wasnt on IPL and i dont why)

[zenith mortar]

so lemme get this straight

it would be for example

first round by seed still as we said.

but second round is by place ment in that round 1

so group a top 4 go across the new groups for round 2?

[sinful hornet]

what happens for games 3 and 4?

oh is it e-f for round 3 then E1st intoF8.... so on?

[zenith mortar]

Not sure i get why its A1 and B1 in round E wouldnt it be A1 and D1

[lilac stag]

in 32 players tournament there is no round 3, its already gonna be final, right?

[zenith mortar]

yes

[sinful hornet]

it's bo2 into top 16

then bo2 into top 8

[zenith mortar]

yeah hes saying after the bof2

based on their points

[sinful hornet]

round 3 is 3rd game 1st game of top 16

[zenith mortar]

Round 1 - Bof2 Round of 32

[lilac stag]

yea if we first groups seeded by rank, so i guess a1 with d1 would be better

[zenith mortar]

Round 2 - Bof2 Round of 16

Round 3 - Final

I do like this method and seems simplest

[lilac stag]

and if we doing this for 64 players its gonna be something like that if i didnt mistake

[lilac stag]

the main thing here is that each group has players who came out of all the different 8 groups, and also that there are 2 players from each place (2 players who took the top 1 in the first round, 2 players who took the top 2 in the first round, and so on)

[viral marsh]

is it possible in my grp will be only people with 3rd and 4th place?

[viral marsh]

yes. it's looking better that random, or what we have now. at lest honest. and need play well every game to get good spot in next grp

[sinful hornet]

it's basically like that phantom tournament one time

[scarlet spindle]

Man I love all this discussion seeking all the perfectionization due a great project.. You guys are great 🥳

[umbral oracle]

We discussed this yesterday. Its been 24 hours mate. No official decision has been made because I'm waiting to review the game logs with Perry before we make a call.

Our policy will move to this in future tournaments:

Competitive Integrity & Bug Policy

In competitive play, Illuvium is committed to providing a fair and level playing field for all participants. While every effort is made to minimise bugs, the nature of live gameplay means that unforeseen issues may still occur.

Shared Environment: All players compete under the same conditions, including the presence of potential bugs.

Final Results: Match outcomes will be considered final once reported, and results will not be overturned due to isolated bug occurrences.

Exception: Only in the event of a major, systemic issue (such as a server-wide failure or confirmed exploit affecting the majority of participants) will the tournament organisers intervene.

---

Which I believe we had in the first tournament rules but it obviously got missed in the second. With a game that is still very new, and does have bugs (we all know this) we can't have a rule where the admins need to go back and check logs to decide outcomes. It's not feasible or smart. Everyone plays with the same bugs. It's our job to ensure they are fixed promptly so they can't be exploited again.

However, in this situation because the rules weren't explicit, I believe Illuvium has a responsibility to compensate the player, if it was in fact a bug (still to be determined).

There has been no official statement because we are still checking the logs.

There may have been some confusion on the council call yesterday, my roof caved in in my office on the weekend so I had workers all through my house and was in and out of the call.

[umbral oracle]

But, while I think it is our responsibility to compensate in this case because the rules weren't explicit. I think the comments from other players are valid. The conditions are known (and to be honest, are still very good) as you said yourself slicks "You have never seen that bug in 1000 games". Coming into this and thinking if I get a bug in this tournament, its okay they are going to compensate me or change the outcome if that occurs, is a cop out, and would undermine the entire competitive integrity of the game. I think it would be interesting to see your opinion without biases. I believe it would be different. But perhaps not.

Anyway, will finalise checking the logs today, and an official statement plus update of the rules for the following IPL events will be posted later today.

[fallen vortex]

Whats the bug? Havent reached the final match yet

[bronze spire]

monarch doing too much damage / not being displayed properly. Basically 1 shot ryplance with one omega when probs shouldnt have + no indom proc

[calm steeple]

not seeing what opponent does on his board sometimes is a bug or feature?

[bronze spire]

bug but seems to effect everyone at the same time

[fallen vortex]

Okay I feel thats definitely happened to me before

Not Artace? Just Monarch?

[fallen vortex]

Yeah I've had this one every now and then

[bronze spire]

this was monarch

[bronze spire]

yea these bugs so hard to tell with the chaos of the rounds ect / second guessing if other explanation

[calm steeple]

is there a way to know when its happening, besides the obvious?

[bronze spire]

hmm nah dont think so, can spectate their board to check if its difference

it should be happening to them too so could actually use it to your advantage

[zenith mortar]

@umbral oracle practicing

mad he got bounced last week

[fallen vortex]

We should screenshot every game we find where he comes 7th or 8th and compile a collage

Every time he says he's good, we can send it in the chat

could be funny

[dark scaffold]

https://illuvilytics.web.app/players/Porklamb2 we can send him this xD

not bad tho

[fallen vortex]

I was tryna find this sort of page

damn 4 1st places

I am very competent in early and even mid game

but can never close it out

[fallen vortex]

I haven't used sylphid blade once

Might be causing some issues 😛

I did get stomped by it yesterday

[dark scaffold]

funny, he always uses him and his brothers haha

i think balancing patch is coming to bump their stats haha

[fallen vortex]

If u can get early 5 Earth you can get some good early winstreaks

Earth is good, not necessarily the monkeys

Not even cause earth is a particularly good synergy

just 4 Tier 1 Earth Illuvials

so you know

[umbral oracle]

Weird shit happening with my game lately. That game it was like the server was 5 seconds behind and an augment I made completely disappeared. Ive had quite a bit of backend server issues in this last patch

[drowsy oriole]

is this scam or not?

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[zenith mortar]

Maybe? @languid sparrow

?

[drowsy oriole]

should i accept?

[zenith mortar]

i would wait for him to confirm here

[drowsy oriole]

okok

[zenith mortar]

or compare user ids

or try to message the linkky i just pinged

but either way be careful;

[drowsy oriole]

its him with 4 mutual server and 2 mutual friend including paz, but i also want to confirm

[hot pond]

I noticed similar things in one of my matches in the IPL500 on saturday. The game was always behind a couple seconds there

[sinful hornet]

there were 2 bugs, indomitable also didn't proc the whole fight

[hot pond]

Just watched the match. Indom did proc on his monkeys. Grilla and monkier had indom on

also ranger had indom

just scorpion didnt activate

[sinful hornet]

ye i mean on rypter

maybe bad wording

[hot pond]

there is a split second where his rypter is very low and heals back at the same time again. Maybe it had procd there but didnt show or whatever

I dont know the exact health bar threshold when it activates

I watched the match in 4 times low speed now 😄

because at that moment it also said Lethargic on him and that maybe blocked the indom text

but still wouldnt explain the monarch dmg

[sinful hornet]

i watched frame by frame and the text never shows, idk if his hp was on the threshold right as he healed from omnivamp

[hot pond]

ye that could be. It was pretty low at that point. 5% health is the threshold i believ

[sinful hornet]

this is the lowest he went, no text, no idea if this is 5% or not

i'd assume it should be but idk

[hot pond]

Could be

[hot pond]

Also monarch omega is the weirdest thing since day 1. never really understood how it fully works. Either it’s doing broken shit or nothing

I don’t even know what exactly it is supposed to do. Is it like a DOT line where it flys over?

Always just played it as a phantom enabler and that’s it

[scarlet spindle]

It drops a line of fireballs that do 4 or 500 over a few seconds. Each. But for lots of small dmg hits, nothing that would one-shot?

[hot pond]

Well it didn’t one shot, it dealt huge chunks of dmg every second or so

[sinful hornet]

the weirdest thing is the chuco + the ryplance being completely different dmg

[low comet]

I noticed that monarch omega hurts when your illuvial is not walking hahahaha

[twilit storm]

@scarlet spindle 700 dmg..and with Phantom Omega can crit, and with 7 rougue the crit chance and amp is bigger isn it?

[scarlet spindle]

I am sure, yes, but nothing that should instantly kill a stage 3 with lots of health. It would take several seconds to do it's damage.

[twilit storm]

Ryplance has 2600 hp so it s not a very "hp monster"

[sinful hornet]

ye but then why is the chuco dying slower

[hot pond]

Is it because of resistance differences?

[drowsy oriole]

rich pls check dm

[sinful hornet]

i mean there's no way chuco has more resists than rypterus no?

[ashen mango]

It's clear that it was a bug, even if Chukoorl had 1000 res and Ryplance 50 res there wouldn't be such a discrepancy between the damage that they received

[bronze spire]

wonder if it gives omega power from phantom for every DOT crit

[languid sparrow]

Yes, it me. It's Legit.

[drowsy oriole]

okayy mate

[hot pond]

Yea that’s what I also thought. Each crit of the DOT increasing its omega power and maybe it had a high amount from previous omega(s)

[ashen mango]

It would not explain why Chukoorl was receiving 20x less damage than Ryptlance

[hot pond]

Yea the chuco difference speaks for it to be a bug

Anyone has the omega description of monarch available?

[sinful hornet]

so even if it crits it shouldn't deal 2.5k dmg with 1 ult

oh unless this means 650 each second

[turbid osprey]

No its total, and thats why most always monarch dmg is barely visible

[hot pond]

But I also had some matches where monarch was the last unit alive from the opponent and it 1v5 me in umbre style. Did the monarch user have combat rhythm drone?

[turbid osprey]

Even if it did it shouldnt affect omega

[ashen mango]

Combat rythm doesn't buff Monarch's OP

[calm raven]

How is scaling that omega? Monarch gets stronger over time due to phantom passive. If each instance of crit damage procs the passive

[hot pond]

Yea you’re right. Shouldn’t buff the omega of it then

[twilit storm]

maye not 46 and 69..more like 460 and 690 (more dmg to the chuko than t ryplance) otherwise the dmg is not enuff to eat half Ryplance hp with one tick

[ashen mango]

Ryptlance had close to 3k HP and got killed by 3 huge tick of damage so Monarch would have to deal close to 5k damage per flame with its omega for it to make more sense, it would still not explain why Chukoorl was receiving 50 damage instead of 800-1000

And that's without taking Ryptlance's resistance into account

Which was high because of Mendoskeleton + numerous takedowns

In other words Monarch would have to have more than 500 OP and crit everytime for it to make a bit more sense and it doesn't even have offensive items

[twilit storm]

we are not in levi, ryplance has base hp in normal gauntlet so 2600

[ashen mango]

Mendoskeleton gives HP

And I said close to 3k

[twilit storm]

mendo gives 100 hp yea and heal 5% on takedown

[low comet]

i noticed that my tickets are not increasing @zenith mortar

is it a known issue by now?

[bright pine]

Where can i find info about each illuvial?

[fallen vortex]

Btw @worn tree I've been meaning to ask you this since 1+ years ago. Why are the resolution options ingame weird?

Why don't we have 1080p, 1440p etc?

[worn tree]

That's cause you have the Window mode enabled

[west quartz]

I’d love not having to fight slickz for EVERY SINGLE GAME of my tournament 😂

[west plume]

Same

[west quartz]

Agreed

[west quartz]

Would be nice to have an indication of opponents gold like in tft

[fallen vortex]

Lol so what? Every other game I enable window mode has normal res. My screens a standard 21:9

[safe valve]

join ranked qeue, get your free elo 🙃

[violet summit]

my first 4 magma, 4 aegies, so cool

[safe valve]

https://tenor.com/view/so-freaking-cool-man-samus-paulicelli-66samus-its-awesome-so-cool-gif-27044572

[violet summit]

can we check IPL leaderboard somewhere?

[zenith mortar]

But did you win

[zenith mortar]

Not yet

[violet summit]

oh yeah baby, 28 rounds, 26 wins 2 losses and those were early game 😄

[zenith mortar]

Nice casual mode is fun yeah

[violet summit]

😝

I need to learn how to browse in your websie

to check compositions, etc

[zenith mortar]

😂

Screwed by my own website

[violet summit]

we can learn a lot from studying it

great great tool that you built, seriously

[lilac stag]

empath lynx much more than just a good we really need to fix it

[sinful hornet]

when i said it was already good all i meant was he didn't need buffs

[lilac stag]

yea, look at this there is stage 3 tier 5 unit who is healer (Ador) and compare it to the t2 unit ahahah

x5 more healing

[sinful hornet]

i mean they have an insane fetish of nerfing ebb and ador for no reason for the past 5 months or something

[lilac stag]

and without any legendary items or items for heal increase

[lilac stag]

i didnt really undertand too last untis nerf

when everyone spam slashin ramphy scoriox they are nerfing ador ebb)
but its alright i believe next patch would be better

[hot pond]

Yea didn’t really understand the ebb ador nerfs that kept coming in

[gloomy mural]

they think its funny

[sinful hornet]

they're the last unit to go in in winning builds on lvl 8 so if they just balance on numbers with 0 context that's gotta be it

basically if u're losing they don't even get on the board

[hot pond]

Easy access to mystic which was/is more the issue are due to the chips and monkey easy access. Other than that it’s hard to find the S3 mystics and only 1 player can have it instead of stuff like revenant where whole lobby can go 4 revs

[warm isle]

Cause people use it for healing?

[hot pond]

Yea adorius T5S3 healing 25% of the lynx

Healing was also more an issue with the ranger shields basically prolonging the reflect dmg

[low comet]

My raffle tickets is not updating 🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️

[zenith mortar]

@muted wagon

Congrats

Congrats @cursive echo

[west plume]

what was this for again?

[safe valve]

random draw in last tournament if i remember right

[west plume]

pretty sure i won that one

[dark vine]

leviathan polemos draw?

[zenith mortar]

Yes Random draw from the Sit and Go particpants for IPL 500

[safe valve]

na that was a whole line of chucco + grilla i think

[zenith mortar]

ah yea

that was a predator pack

full drop bear line

and full mud monkey grant line

not sure if they were pefect stats

[safe valve]

riight

[safe valve]

ya me neither... probably not... would have been more worth than most money rewards 😄

[west plume]

what have you done rich?

Why is everyones Drone massive and mine is tiny?

[frozen tartan]

I tried to find the most decent variation of this meme

[west plume]

lol

[raven obsidian]

gg @whole galleon , but i feel stacking multiple legendary augments is way to OP and should be looked at by the devs!!

Ophisto literally omega every 2 attacks, crazy power and OP

[ashen mango]

WTF

[west plume]

thats insane

i would 100% do the same if i could btw

[raven obsidian]

@worn tree can you comment on the above please and if this should be as intended?

[lilac stag]

If I'm not mistaken, it was written that the cost of these illuvials will be around 250 dollars, right? I just don't understand where you can get lvl 60 illuvials with an excellent grid for an adequate price? At the Leviathan tournament, almost all the leading participants have a lot of lvl 60 illuvials with a good grid, did they really all invest many thousands of dollars? Or has the market grown so much? Or do you make such purchases by agreeing somewhere in discords and haggling? I'm really interested in this, because I want to invest, but I can't find competitive illuvials for the price that I can theoretically recoup by playing in Leviathan tournaments in the future

I understand that it is not necessary to buy illuvials with a perfect grid and lvl 60, I attached the screenshot because I was surprised that a t2 monkey with perfect stats is valued at something around 250 dollars

[cursive echo]

thx!! I can have them in stage 3

[cursive echo]

he played at a time when xp was almost free, it was illuvial, I regret it so much

[dark vine]

hmm, I guess most of us could write a book about this by now.
Let me try to keep it short:

• OW last year started expansive - yes some invested a lot, but OW just wasn't and still isn't interesting (at least until mmo drops).
• prices were based on demand/supply(through zero)
• prices dropped a lot over time
• You were able to pay for t3 runs in the cent area (during that time some of us grinded days, weeks, for perfect stat Illuvials)
• you had to invest days of playtime to check every encounter for good stats, leave, run to next portal, check, leave.... and so on (you could still to that)
• We had a lot of discussion regarding prices
• I am of the opinion that prices are to high, because especially regarding higher tier/stage Illuvials we don't have many good Illuvials
• through the old system the density of really high tpi Illuvials across the current player base is insanely high
• Since I can't really advice to work (really work) anybody through the current OW, because it needs several hours/days of playtime to ramp up. I would advice looking for cheap, semi-good Illuvials around the 80 TPI area (should be possible to get something decent for around 250 dollars)
• level them in tier 1 runs first and later in tier 2 - should take another like 50 dollars if done right.
• if you want to go to the extreme you could farm this mushrooms in t0 and feed them to your Illuvials during a run to squeez more fights out of run, but that is really depressing work

and also, yes, some just paied thousands for their Illuvials. That should be especially true for people with near perfects across the board

[dark vine]

regarding a perfect Tier 1 Stage 2 Illuvial you already need to check a lot encounters. If we exclude movement you still have (1/5)^5 chance to find one (for any Tier 1 Stage 2 Illuvial you find) - many were fused because of this reason. You could argue that a t5S1 with good stats is rarer than a T5S2 with good stats, because of fusing (early fusing was way cheaper also)

That being said. I am pretty sure someone like you with connections to hype can find support (deals like x% of achieved price money, renting) to use someone's Illuvials for a tournament

[sinful hornet]

most people caught and leveled or caught and paid someone to level, few actually spent thousands

[zenith mortar]

Sorry I'm not sure I understand? We basically bought these Illuvials off the DEX. The Market price of all 4 was about 275$ in eth. so really 550+ in illuvials were bought.

you can go look at history of each and see the purchase price

are you saying people wouldve been happier with 1 - T3ST3 Lvl 60 than these 4 almost perfect tpis?

[zenith mortar]

Ah ok i see what you mean, basically we just filtered illuvials by high tpi and price and picked some that made sense to package together

it was a little over 250 as i said

both were about that

[lilac stag]

no, I am in no way saying that you are deceiving anyone or anything like that, I just wanted to somehow approach the issue of profitable purchase of illuvials, because this is what interests me now, there are very few illuvials of high level and quality on the market, and if they are there, they are usually expensive, you are lucky if you manage to find someone profitable and not expensive

[sinful hornet]

OW you could play infinite and even with profit for about 5 months and that's how a bunch of people got the good stats, and then the leveling was an insane chore

[sinful hornet]

you can get lvl 20s perfect or close to perfect stats wayyy cheaper but u'd spend months getting all to lvl 60

[zenith mortar]

yeah i meann i was buying level 60s personally

the time sink is way more for that

[sinful hornet]

and actually u can't even get lvl 60 for free anymore so basically u're screwed cuz u werent early

[ashen mango]

Axodon is mine, you can make an offer if you want
The price is this high because I listed it before eth went up

[sinful hornet]

if u search differently, for example stuff like these u can find them for 20-50$

but to have them at high lvl it's still very rare

[viral marsh]

my suggestion, better think two time, before buy something.
when i buy something for leviathan i expect they will work at me, and i got my investment back. but as show my experience - most of investor start sold they'r collection x3-x5 less price that they spend half year ago to buy all of them.
Whity as example, who spend hundred of hours to get exp, and over 10k$ i think, sold full deck of lvl60 for 2-3k $ month ago.
2 day ago i saw in dex other offer from big collector, that he start sold his own full deck+lands with big discount from what he spend to got all of this.

[worn tree]

Hey Mabbsy, to get this combo you need to hit Ophisto and then get 3 copies of that legendary augment. Thats very unlikely, but has a big reward. There are multiple combos similar to this, hard to get but with good reward.

[jolly hearth]

OK, this is like the 5th time or so I tried arena and I am already fed up again. I have exactly no clue what is going on. While I struggle to place a unit, I get roflstomped all the time. When I try again 3 months later, everything looks completely different, I have no clue and get roflstomped. Where is the user mannual that tells me what to do?

there isn't even a tutorial. Am I supposed to search for videos online? If so, how do I know they are for the current version?

[zenith mortar]

There is some tool tips that guide you as you go currently that can be enabled but we are lacking a proper tutorial yet

https://youtu.be/WHh-oHfAcNM

Scoriox made a great tutorial though that is pretty comprehensive

[jolly hearth]

yes, I noticed various pop-up obstructing my view, but still wasn't really able to find out what to buy and how to place stuff on the board.

[zenith mortar]

It’s just drag and drop to place on board and there is limits depending on level

[jolly hearth]

ok, thanks, I'll try watching Scoriox

[zenith mortar]

You may have had max Illuvials on the board

[jolly hearth]

ok, so after 2 rounds I was behind in level and couldn't place more I guess

do I play with my collection or random illuvials?

[zenith mortar]

Likely so there is in indicator that indicates level and X/X illuvials like 4/4 illuvials on board because you are level 4

[zenith mortar]

There is a pool of illuvials everyone shares

[lilac stag]

yeah thanks, i will be careful

[ebon aspen]

you know you're screwed when you see this in your lobby

[ebon aspen]

and of course that guy solo your entire team 👍

[sick sail]

Hey guys! I been deliberately delaying playing this game till it was thriving again so I got a genuine feel for the game! What kind of state is matchmaking in at the moment? Is it playable? Do you play a lot of the same people within a day? 🙂 I’m sat here playing merge tactics on clash Royale wishing illuvium arena was on mobile!!! :p

[bronze spire]

its great at the moment, 1-5min ques all times. Busier for example tomorrow when the leaderboard resets (good time to get back in!)

if you insta que after game you might see some same faces but if thats an issue for you can just skip that one and que next

[noble hinge]

There are only 69 perfect stat, Level 60 Illuvials. It is a hard thing to achieve. The last 5 levels are brutal, it takes a lot of dedication to OW to get it done. These Illuvials deserve the higher prices imo.
I wish I had more time when we were paying so little for runs. I would have done so many more.

[fallen vortex]

The market decides their value, not Illuvium so I'm not sure I see the problem.

The market is betting on future Leviathan prizes, but it likely includes a range of factors. General scarcity of 100 TPI, the cost to level up Illuvials and their strength in any given meta.

[fallen vortex]

I have a feeling levelling will become cheap again with the MMO-Lite. Not sure tho

[fallen vortex]

I gave my Slashin Behemoth yesterday. Thats a true monster

[fallen vortex]

In leviathan, when you acquire illuvials ingame they will have the stats of those in your collection

[manic musk]

Do we know how many ilv are in the pool for each tier?

[fallen vortex]

Its on a master doc yeah.

TLDR: Only 1 stage 3 possible for T5/4. 2 for T3, but barely. Similar for T2. And comfortably 2 for T1.

[mental stone]

Guys can you send the link/spreadsheet that explains all of the current augments?

[noble hinge]

Yeah, that is why I am not playing OW as much now. Not sure it is worth paying ro level up my Illuvials.🙂

[manic musk]

Thank you.
The illuvials get back to the pool once they are sold or the player dies?

[fallen vortex]

Yep pretty much 🙂

But not all things are made equal. A Gyro returning to the pool on round 20 is somewhat worthless since you should be level 7/8 and T1s become rare

But T3/4/5 returning to the pool should be something you are actively aware of

The other day I saved credits since I saw the Luras I needed were about to return. Got Malura and closed it out before my other contested opponents

[drowsy oriole]

what just happened? @outer surge didnt u have 30+ hp?

[outer surge]

I had 61

I was shocked. I didn't move any units because I wanted to see what your optimal setup against me would look like.

Then I took 61 damage in one round LOL

https://www.twitch.tv/sylensyrand/clip/CovertRenownedSalsifyBatChest-s2tIyYwyiMjnLeD5

[drowsy oriole]

lol, its weird. it never happen beforr

[outer surge]

Yeah I have NEVER seen that much damage in one round before lmao

[drowsy oriole]

i was suprised when u died😂

[outer surge]

🤣 lmao yeah.. GG WP none the less!

[drowsy oriole]

ggwp, but i think its bug. how can dealt 62 damage in one round?

[outer surge]

My thoughts exactly. I submitted it as a bug just in case.

[drowsy oriole]

lol its so funny😂 i just about thinking to lose then its happen😂

[scarlet spindle]

I had that this morning, I think it was something like 31 health and they beat me with one unit left and i lost it all and was out.

[vale zephyr]

Round 35 it have to be that.

[drowsy oriole]

but its 62 damage

and only 1 illuvial left

[drowsy oriole]

im 62 damage bro😂

[vale zephyr]

Yes 1 illuvial left is weird to deal 62 damage

[drowsy oriole]

right, before that round, he won againts me and dealt only around 20 damage. its normal

[vale zephyr]

Is is the brightland steppes 130 HP or Overkill?

[drowsy oriole]

130 hp

[brittle valve]

Hello, how does the new reward system work? Are there only tournaments now and no weekly rewards for the leaderboard?

[west plume]

Both are active, tournaments rewards are from Aarons own ILV.

[brittle valve]

i see, thank you

[sinful hornet]

i think round 35 just deals 100 dmg

the game always ends for me no matter the hp on that round

[hot pond]

Is the ranked LB snapshot for the tournament qualification going to be taken again at the end of sitngo on Friday? Which would mean there will be crazy 24/7 grinds happening for some after the hard reset tomorrow ?

[tawny dove]

Instant queue 😍 but good question actually.

[hot pond]

It still kinda sucks to be playing in EU times against real people from top 10 every match while other timezones are farming bots 😂

[warm isle]

Now only meet 1-2 bots mostly 1

Before it's easy to get 3-4

[hot pond]

Bots + easy opponents I should say

But yea the hard reset would essentially extend the sit n go period to the full 2 days this way

[sinful hornet]

they probably just use the end of season snapshot

[zenith mortar]

No the tournametn this week is using 8 IPL spots

the rest from sit and go 1/2

[hot pond]

Alright

[native mauve]

Is it 32 or 64 places @zenith mortar ?

[bronze spire]

where can we see the points?

[sinful hornet]

32

IPL 250 = 32, 500=64

[native mauve]

Rich mentioned they might increase it to 64 so just wanted to confirm

[sick sail]

Thanks for the response! I remember your videos back in early arena too! Good to see you again 🙂 not so much a problem to see the same faces but it’s a little bit a measure of player count! I’m a token holder too and keen to see player numbers start rising into the thousands at least soon 🙂

[zenith mortar]

32

There should be announcement soon but i added points break downs to a sheet

https://link.illuvium.io/IPL-2025-Points

there is two tabs

first one is the points and the explanation of week 1 points

second tab is the leaderboard currently

[bronze spire]

IPL points for week 1 doesnt match the leadeboard?

[native mauve]

week 1 had bonus points

[bronze spire]

yea not showing on leaderboard

[zenith mortar]

what you mean

Column C is for IPL 250 week 1

it totals 307

[bronze spire]

3rd place is 26 points in your first sheet. On the leaderboard its 25

[zenith mortar]

ah

i see

oh yes

because

so yes the week 1 points will be a bit different than the first page

but you can see them on the second page

does that make sense

[bronze spire]

hmm nah i cant see them on the leaderboard? eg i got 3rd in first event and at 25 points on leaderboard for it

4th place in that event i think and also got 25 for it?

[zenith mortar]

i seee

i seee

ok

one sec

yes sorry you got 26 for 3rd

thats what it is in blog

[native mauve]

but shouldnt he get a bonus as well on top of that?

[bronze spire]

looks like fishy and wolverine got 1 more point on the leaderboard compared to what your first sheet says too

[zenith mortar]

no the bonus was that the total points was over 250

ah i see i

i gave you 25 and wolverine 25

but it shouldve been 26 and 24

got it

[frank moon]

Wen details for this weekend?

[bronze spire]

in sheet 1 for IPL 250 it adds to 250 not 307 (bonus poiints)

i think

[zenith mortar]

yeah becuase i want ppl to know what it will be ongoing

week 1 was a one off

[native mauve]

lol @zenith mortar i just read the rules its 25 points for 3-4 place week 1

[zenith mortar]

honestly this sheet is temporary

[native mauve]

so u had it right in the numbers but wrong in the 26 lol

[zenith mortar]

am i crazy

i have it in two different places then

[bronze spire]

oh ok but the points will still need to be added to the leaderboard right?

[bronze spire]

immafish week 1 points is wrong too

got an extra

[zenith mortar]

huli

i might need to just go to sleep lol

[bronze spire]

hahah sorry

[zenith mortar]

see i confused myself

[bronze spire]

oh so maybe first sheet wrong, leaderboard was right

[zenith mortar]

so im not crazy

immafishy correct?

35

[sinful hornet]

mine's also 15 for 250 it should be 17

[zenith mortar]

the first page is meant to represtent the tournaemtn points as a whole

because

hold on

[native mauve]

Yeah the first page has some errors

[zenith mortar]

i see why ppl confused

[native mauve]

The second page was right initially i think

[bronze spire]

this screen shot seems to represent the 307 points, so doesnt show what a normal 250 would be

[native mauve]

Ahhhh)

[bronze spire]

richs first sheet for 250 adds to 250

that screen shot should add to 307

[zenith mortar]

now does it make more sense

[native mauve]

Yeah

[bronze spire]

wait so i get less points for the bonus point week lol?

[zenith mortar]

lol

yes

im sorry

[sinful hornet]

ok makes sense

[zenith mortar]

the bonus is for lower end

[bronze spire]

4th place is lower end?

[zenith mortar]

honestly someone gave me the list of IPL points for last week and i trusted they added them correctly

they didnt

[sinful hornet]

we do a little trolling

[violet summit]

Rich do you know when the next IPL250 starts? Is it the same hour as previous tourneys?

[zenith mortar]

so "bonus"

[bronze spire]

5th also gets 2 bonus points while 7ths gets none. 1st no change but 3rd is minus 1?

[zenith mortar]

........

lemme chat to kieran

[vivid stirrup]

is reset in 14 hours or 38 hours? ^^

[lilac stag]

I don't understand, everything is correct, isn't it?

[zenith mortar]

yes just the distribution is up for debate for ipl250 because of a weird week 1

[zenith mortar]

here

[violet summit]

Oh damn, main event starts at 3 am for me 😔

[lilac stag]

by the way, what is a tiebreak in IPL points? This can be useful not only before the World Championship invites, but also before any of the IPL tournaments for the top 8 or 16 invites

[zenith mortar]

Blame the Aussie @fallen vortex

[bronze spire]

yea think it not only makes no sense but also unfair in a few ways

[zenith mortar]

didnt think much into it was just trying to sort out the points going forward

but will get something sorted

[bronze spire]

how does sit and go work, can you only do 1 time slot or try in both?

[zenith mortar]

12 ppl move on from each

you can play either

[bronze spire]

can you do both tho?

[zenith mortar]

yeah

like if you dont make first

play second

[bronze spire]

sweet

[tawny dove]

I think most people calculated this, but FYI it says 2x 16 in the event info 🙂

[zenith mortar]

i have like 30 places to write things lol

which place

does it say 16

found it

[tawny dove]

Sorry man, you must be so stressed 🙂

[zenith mortar]

all good

appreciate the heads up

[native mauve]

yeah Rich, appreciate all the work...one man army

[bronze spire]

not to throw more work at you haha but will you make one of these leaderboards for RPL? (ranked leaderboard points)

[twilit storm]

Never been an one man army. All of us helped as much as we can. wen he asked for help. @native mauve, just saying

[manic musk]

Very good. Good to know. That changes game play for me. 🫶

[warm isle]

14

[twilit storm]

https://tenor.com/view/froggiestoken-froggies-froggiesarmy-froggiescrypto-gif-25893376

@zenith mortar

[low comet]

are raffle tickets bugged? mine is not increasing hahahahaha

[turbid osprey]

Are you saying this because the time changed? I dont see the tournament in announcement or the website

Nvm i just found it in general chat where you posted the events

[supple beacon]

If we qualify through sit and go, but then are unavailable for the main phase. Do we get top32 points or we don't?

[bronze spire]

says somewhere you have to complete all games

so same as if you get 8th game 1 than just not come game 2 you get nothing. Is how i read it

[outer surge]

Sure enough, the fact that it was round 35 was the reason. Base damage gets cranked up to 50. Our match was literally the perfect storm. But now we know, not a bug, that's how it was intended.

[supple beacon]

They really want the game to end at round 35😂

[drowsy oriole]

hahaha lucky me then

[sinful hornet]

The dmg to players could be optimized for sure, when you can winstreak the whole game be 90 hp+ by round 15+ with decent economy at that point it's very stupid that it's completely common to just go 5th anyways based on 4 rounds in the mid-late game.
The dmg you can take by that point varies way too much, 5-6~ dmg in close fights when a stomp is 20+ is too big of a gap

And also there's 0 value in being first with 80 hp vs a guy in 2nd at 25 hp in the very late game, you both have 2 lives

and he gets prio for composite emblems on carousel just to add salt to the wound

[hot pond]

https://tenor.com/view/salty-raining-salt-salt-bae-nusret-gökçe-gif-15973939

[arctic steppe]

Hey man, @viral marsh I thought we had a gentleman’s agreement to chill until the hard reset, and now you’re gonna make me grind too? 😂

[viral marsh]

where you find info about this agreement?

[sinful hornet]

did you play 16 hours a day first week?

[arctic steppe]

You said you were taking a vacation, so I took one too XD

[viral marsh]

sometimes you can win your enemy with trick

[sinful hornet]

he doesn't have opponents he has enemies

[arctic steppe]

wellplayed haha

[viral marsh]

strange you still not understand it, after i take 1st place at 1 of week.
just made you think i'm not play, and at last 2 days hard push

https://tenor.com/view/all-right-ford-vs-ferrari-race-car-driving-christian-bale-ken-miles-gif-8464550768731843630

[viral marsh]

when people think about me like i'm they'r enemy, i'l think same about them

[sinful hornet]

hero vs villains

[arctic steppe]

"one specific guild" 3 hype players 🤣

[viral marsh]

depend from which side look for that.
but ye, i don't like things they do, as @tropic forge say. and day by day i see, that they try play not fair more and more

[arctic steppe]

Funny you complain about that when I get griefed on purpose almost every day and don’t come here crying. I even remember a match where you and Lmnko teamed up to hold my Slappins, so that’s a bit hypocritical, isn’t it?

[viral marsh]

it's not hard know which comp you gona play, and contest it. Air or Rog your choice all time.
i do it not only against you. i see someone play - mud or rog, i start contest main units.
you have minds from your head that we team play.
i show you prof from your voice, which i got from 1 person.

[west quartz]

Why do I only have 2 IPL when I was in the last 16 of the last ipl500 tournament ? 😭

[arctic steppe]

Yeah, minds from my head haha

[sinful hornet]

he'd have to have negative iq to not hold penguins there if he can afford it

[warm isle]

Holding it untill the end

[arctic steppe]

Yeah, I agree with you, griefing is part of the game if you want to win. That’s why I don’t cry about it.

[west quartz]

I think you swapped my points with AlnertPHTM’s point

[zenith mortar]

I’ll double check it was 2am while I was doing it, the sheet is temp anyways until we have tracking up on site, but I’ll look in a minute just waking up

[west quartz]

No worries 😊

Enjoy the morning coffee ☕️

[zenith mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/morning-morning-coffee-morning-cat-coffee-cat-bad-hair-cat-gif-14075918411085173951

[empty escarp]

Every single game we help each other -> We teach people how to play the game.
Do everything to stop you -> Many of the players, including me, barely hold pieces that is not legendary from other players.
We are united as a country, hoping for Nareba beats u in ladder, but thats all.

[charred matrix]

great guild leader... so insignificant that i was not even named by the rat 🤣

[quasi badge]

Anyone know why sometimes I get +8 points for 3rd and sometimes +21? (Ranked gauntlet)
Is there a fixed amount of points for every game placement?

[sinful hornet]

it depends on the mmr of the people in ur lobby

[quasi badge]

Oh okay i didn't know the mmr is already working like that, cheers

[turbid osprey]

It depends on the average elo of the rest of the lobby. Theres just a low cap

1st 13
2nd 7
3rd 3
4th 1

But you can win much more if the average is higher than your own elo

[charred matrix]

if u play against paid actors you get less points... if you play against top ranked players, then u get more

[quasi badge]

thx guys

[viral marsh]

you say about we team-play against you - it's mind from your head.

[viral marsh]

nice. for tournament you also doing that?
hope 1 day we will have rules against this thing

[dull wind]

sorry for the mistake with the IPL 250 points. This won't affect who goes to the final this weekend, once council has a decision on this we'll communicate it to you guys.

[cursive echo]

you have a whole country against you 🫂 GL 🦊

[zenith mortar]

was thinking same thing

[safe valve]

i would feel honored 😄

Nonetheless, sad to see the manipulation

[arctic steppe]

I can assure you, people are more focused on farming their own points than “hunting” Fox…

[charred matrix]

not manipulation... too strong of a word there, since theres no way to manipulate results, there is still a skill gap involved there... otherwise i wouldnt be hanging almost out of the top100 🥲

[arctic steppe]

We don’t need a whole country for this, I can handle this mission on my own.

[safe valve]

i don't think it's a strong word, reading this.

[arctic steppe]

Even a 10-year-old could manipulate a nameless screenshot like that. If he has a concrete report, why not put the names on the table?

[safe valve]

sure can be manipulated.
But since money rewards are involved, i had no doubt stuff like that happens anyways... just not to that extend 😄

It's very nice of him not putting the name out.
Dm's get sent in trust and i would have done the same. (I generally handle dm's privately and wouldn't put it out in public anyways tho.... basically as non existend information for everyone else.)

[charred matrix]

u also said a few days ago, that assumptions leads to these kind of shit :/

and u must have seen that we've been constantly accused around here. while there's no denying that our players are actually good...

they've only started playing a month ago and are already competing neck to neck with top players that have been around for months.

and we are also working our asses there to onboard new players, teach them the basics, etc.

[zenith mortar]

Ppl assume im cheating often too

[safe valve]

ya totally.
It's not like i'm accusing you guys, would handle that differently 🙂

[charred matrix]

oh but you are 🤣

i just dont have solid proof of that 😛

[uncut comet]

@zenith mortar why no qualify over ranked leaderboard anymore

[hot pond]

Main event timing is 03 AM Europe time? 😂😂

[viral marsh]

lol. you think me so braindead to tell name person who tell me this inside?
i can give full screen with name for judge, but not for you

[viral marsh]

when you try it by yourself in tournament, by repeat/contest my build, but got eliminated from tournament.
just spam your air/rog. all other to hard for you

[viral marsh]

i usually go sleep 2 hour before this time.

[sinful hornet]

ye we gonna need to wake up middle of the night and fuck the next day

[viral marsh]

have to think. go sleep 2 hour early, and sleep 4 hour, or not sleep at all. strange decision with this time

[hot pond]

And then there will be people again who can’t fucking be ready for a match like 15 minutes and it keeps being delayed because of single persons

[sinful hornet]

can we have checkin for main event end literally on the minute before it's supposed to start? kinda stupid if we have to wake up just to wait

[hot pond]

So for me it’s actually 4 am. And we can almost assume it starts 20 minutes later because of random stuff

[viral marsh]

and it will be 7 games for people who come to finals. all-in 1 day.
but for Australian/US people it's good time. so half of people will be happy with that.

[hot pond]

Isn’t it more like 20-30% of people?

[bronze spire]

4am actually pretty good. Every tourney for me has been 1-3am

[hot pond]

That’s rough

[sinful hornet]

between 11 pm and 3 am is the worst time to start one, 4-5 is good enough cuz u can actually just sleep properly

[bronze spire]

Yea but also this is like 1% (first tourney) since wildfires that we have had good time for over here

[sinful hornet]

hype ones used to start at exactly midnight for me i'd way rather take 4 am tbh

[bronze spire]

Yea that’s me every tourney. Most the time half want to get knocked out so can sleep

[hot pond]

How long earlier you need to be there to check in? 30 minutes?

[zenith mortar]

Yes

[turbid osprey]

Terrible for US time

Its 10pm to 5am my time, thats like exactly my sleep time slot. Couldnt be any worse

[hot pond]

Worst is waking up at 4 am to play 2 matches and get knocked out 😂😂

I guess you could head back to bed then again

I am rooting for you @bronze spire

[twilit storm]

all the Phantom tourneys wen Paz was in that zone were good for Asia

[sinful hornet]

nah that's good, u sleep again, worst is not making top 8 from top 16

phantom tourneys were always godlike in everything

[bronze spire]

Oh true yea some where. Though maybe some where 10/11pm which like some said could be considered worse

I did like those times though

[low comet]

I got 8 winstreak through cheating XD

but not a single game added on my raffle ticket -_-

[zenith mortar]

maybe takes a minute to register?

[low comet]

will it still count even after 2 days?

[zenith mortar]

Im sending to backed guy to look

[uncut comet]

got also no tickets since 3 days though its normal xD

[latent osprey]

where i can check full ipl points

[sinful hornet]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1bJzZ94oDxQC3WGOjOLnT5d7BOC4sGRMXY-GE2glGC4A/edit?gid=0#gid=0

[rare meteor]

Reset is in 8 hours from now or did it change

[turbid osprey]

4h45

[light garnet]

You can see the countdown for the exact timer on the Leaderboard, just to the right

https://illuvidex.illuvium.io/leaderboard/gauntlet-ranked

[pliant jay]

Interesting, so for the IPL 500 only the top 32 get IPL points even though 64 went through to day 2?

[charred matrix]

the only regions that will be good to play will be Asia and Australia... the rest of the world would be getting to sleep, or way past bed time already 🤣

[violet summit]

I'm having the same problem. Main event starts at 3AM, still trying to figure if it's worth it to participate 😔

[high snow]

I have the same problem.

[sinful hornet]

if u have no job u go to bed at 5 pm and wake up at 3, otherwise it's not

[ashen mango]

Just go to sleep guys, let me win this one 😁

It's all fine, there will be other opportunities 😏

[primal flax]

oh idk who is this idiot but i don't give a f, those guys just gatherer and make jokes when we're together, better results playing alone, but less fun

[high snow]

Wouldn't it be too boring for you if we all would not participate 😄

[ashen mango]

No no 😇

[viral marsh]

your name among them. so, look behind, when at deep evening you go home.

[primal flax]

It's not better qualify 64 to the ipl 250 too and the bottom 32 get some fuel? lol

[primal flax]

yeah need to look both sides before cross the street

[viral marsh]

@analog sandal unlucky. you was so close. just 1 point behind

[whole palm]

Someone told me about this.. and it´s insane... I don´t have any problems with no one.. And I can´t understand why some people have problems with Brazilians players.. almost every day one different gossip... It´s crazy... guyz, just play, and do your best.. stop crying about things.. one day about who sell their coins, or about a broken teams, or what ever they say.. just stop.. if a team is broken play it aswell or find a counter

As you did..

[viral marsh]

i don't know, why your friends, and some other people against me.
but when at tournament final i'm unmute in voice, and hear: "if i believe in this Russian warrior 1 more time..." i was so dissapointed. it's happend at 1st final game, when i got 2nd place.
after that i don't whant to be in voice any other time

[vague wigeon]

Stop crying, you've been missing out on Brazilians for 3 weeks and you're crying because of this.

lets go nareba

lets go brazil

hsauhsaushua

fuel on the fire I want to see blood

[balmy vale]

HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH]

NAREBA THIS IS BEST

[ember sail]

kkkkkkkk

[balmy vale]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAHA

[viral marsh]

some people so wild

[whole palm]

I think all of you needs to turn friends..

[frozen tartan]

<@&795142782133207063> When will you stop this?
I’m disgusted reading it.
If players want to trash-talk each other, fine, I don’t care.

But this is crossing the line. It’s turning into nationalism.

Every other word is “Brazilian,” “Russian,” “Brazil.”

What does it matter which country someone is from? If you want to insult each other—fine. Open your DMs and say what you think.

Honestly, I don’t want to read this, but I don’t want to leave this Discord either.

I don’t care what country a player is from. I don’t care about their nationality.

Look at the player as a person, not as a nation or country.

I’ve tolerated this for a long time, but now it’s going too far.

I interact with a huge number of players from all over: Russia, Ukraine, Belarus, USA, Brazil, Germany, Belgium, Romania, and more.
Focus on the person. If you don’t like a player, stop yelling about their country.

[whole palm]

I prefer think you all are joking

[frozen tartan]

I know a huge number of wonderful people from different countries.
And I know a huge number of awful people from different countries.

Stop using labels.

[viral marsh]

did i ever talk about my country?

[charred matrix]

stop accusing our guild and friends 😆

[viral marsh]

only some people from OLA so brave

[vague wigeon]

I spoke for entertainment and to generate competitiveness

[viral marsh]

and you use your country to present it?

[vague wigeon]

yes

[frozen tartan]

This chat has turned into a dump.

[sinful hornet]

what are you on about man, let there be some rivalrly this is cinema

[charred matrix]

for us its actually amusing 😛

[ashen mango]

I agree, as long as it's rather lighthearted it's fun

[arctic steppe]

https://tenor.com/view/michael-jackson-comendo-picoca-gif-9669437860846841235

[whole palm]

All of us come from differents cultures, and write things is hard, even in portuguese, my language, we can be miss understand.. Imagine in different cultures. We have different kinds of expression.. and dfiffernt kinds of fluence. It´s hard. Just to you know, I don´t have problem with no one here. I wish good game for all. Thats it guyz.

[viral marsh]

when you among them. no trust for this words

[whole palm]

No way.. HAHAHHHA

[sinful hornet]

you don't have to censor my name

[viral marsh]

shhhh. don't tell everyone it's you

[charred matrix]

gotcha!!!

haha... i tried really hard converting them to OLA, but these jackasses went to hype, because they want to learn from slickz

[sinful hornet]

should've converted slickz then, whoever does that gets +50 members

[arctic steppe]

wen OLA.Sl1ckz

[charred matrix]

i dont like poaching other guild members

patate has been dming ppl from brazil all the time 😆

[ashen mango]

And + dozens of trophies

[ashen mango]

Never 😈

[sinful hornet]

give me 10k$ i'll get slickz to join u next day

[whole palm]

I don´t need you trust in me.. This is what it´s.. If someone that I know have something with you, It´s not my problem. Not necessary I need to have the same feelings.

[ashen mango]

I'll do it for $8k

[sinful hornet]

i'll do it for 11k

[analog sandal]

not unlucky 😭

played badly

[zenith mortar]

Good thing i dont start a guild

i would be the main target

[sinful hornet]

ngl i would wanna be a dickking

[analog sandal]

i'll back stronger

[zenith mortar]

everyone wants to be

[south geyser]

What is going on in ranked? Suddenly everyone is mud/7earth

[analog sandal]

and get this top 1 next season

[latent osprey]

looking for guild

[zenith mortar]

You guys havent seen me in ranked lately because I'm training under an alt

[charred matrix]

i've got 4 trying inferno in my lobby

[analog sandal]

btw we already have the exact timing for reset? @zenith mortar

[sinful hornet]

are you boosting ola.nareba by chance?

[whole palm]

And, for sure, Ola players, are all Brazilians, for sure we are kind of close, but doesn´t means we are from Ola, the guyz from Hype are amazing people, I really appreciate when we can have some time together. And I can say same for Furyz. And thats it.

[ashen mango]

HYPE is recruiting 🤗

[zenith mortar]

2 hours

[zenith mortar]

Wait maybe youre my first member

[analog sandal]

the reset will happen with snapshot?

i thought it will delay a bit

[sinful hornet]

ah that's what u meant

[zenith mortar]

lemme look i think nil announced

Upcoming Gauntlet Reset

All player ranks in Gauntlet Ranked will be hard reset on August 28th, shortly after midnight UTC.

Battle hard, adapt your strategies, and secure your place among the top contenders.

See you in the Arena,
The Illuvium Team

[light garnet]

I'll join your guild, Rich. Someone to match Lars level

[zenith mortar]

I'm just kidding i cant start a guild

[sinful hornet]

got my viagra ready for battle

[zenith mortar]

people will claim guild favouritism

because everyone would want in

[light garnet]

https://tenor.com/view/zs-good-morning-gif-4154880375153228977

[zenith mortar]

because of my skills

[primal flax]

guild wars?

[zenith mortar]

We need guild wars tournametn

again

how many guilds we got

we need 8

[sinful hornet]

how does that work?

[zenith mortar]

i guess we could do less

you could either pick your best player

or qualify your best player

we could do it a few ways

[sinful hornet]

oh just 1 player?

[zenith mortar]

you could have a team

[primal flax]

In the past pretty sure was 4 representative of each guild and 8 guilds battle each other

[sinful hornet]

ahh u want 1 lobby all diff guilds

[viral marsh]

can we got Leviathan before this future thing>?

[zenith mortar]

Leviathan guild wars

pool your illuvials

with your guild

[viral marsh]

hype already use it.

[frozen tartan]

Monarch is in action!🔥

[ashen mango]

• HYPE
• OLA
• ATLAS
• MONARCH
• PHANTOM
• WILDFIRE
• SYNDICATE
• SURA
• TEMPESTGG

Others that I forgot?

[viral marsh]

Slickz have half of his deck from Patate

[zenith mortar]

Myaybe JPN is around somewhere still?

[sinful hornet]

near oceania last i heard

[charred matrix]

TempestGG also

[west musk]

We starting a Beyond Crew...
BOND