🎮〕illuvium-arena

[summer frigate]

I guess I’m not playing until the reset 👌🏼

[supple beacon]

They should do the snapshot early if they reset before Wednseday.

[turbid osprey]

Theres no reason not to reset on the snapshots, only multiple negatives

[sinful hornet]

there's also no need to hold a patch for after reset, like why would they need to be connected

[turbid osprey]

No need to hold the patch if its ready earlier but the reset has to be when the leaderboard and big tournament snapshots are taken mid week

[sinful hornet]

ye resetting before expected reset time is potentially a scam

[marsh bloom]

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[languid sparrow]

So the LB on mainet will reset this week, I guess it will occur at the samething the next update on mainnet ?

[viral marsh]

but as Rich say, we in betta, so they can do that

[sinful hornet]

well if they wanted to pay out early with no minimum games i'm sure no player would object, but then they're scamming themselves

[marsh bloom]

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[viral marsh]

why scam? they just send rewards earlier to players who done with 15 games

[marsh bloom]

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[sinful hornet]

cuz players are then playing 2 days less for them

[winter breach]

are there patch notes regarding the testnet somewhere?

[sinful hornet]

in announcements but there's no balance changes

[winter breach]

alright ty

[viral marsh]

sometimes in illuvium 1 week it's 1 month, but sometimes it 4-5 days. no reason call it scam

[marsh bloom]

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[pliant jay]

I think I missed something. Is the new patch dropping this week? Does that mean that the Last Ranger Standing tournament will be on the new patch?

[west plume]

they havent confirmed it yet

but it might be out early this week

[summer frigate]

They should release it with a leaderboard reset 😏

[spring basin]

Being in beta doesn’t justify unannounced changes to core reward structures, especially when there have been clear public announcements about weekly resets.

People are putting in time based on those expectations, and changing the rules midweek without notice creates distrust. If things need to change, that’s fine, but there should be valid reasons and it needs to be communicated clearly and in advance. Transparency matters, even in beta, that’s how you build a healthy community and player base.

You are a representative of Illuvium, and this is not a good look, just saying.

[hot pond]

I don’t really mind whether there’s a reset or not. However, I would have expected at least a confirmed communication about it whether it’s every week after the snapshot or every 1st day of a month or whatever. That would definitely raise the trust in the system and create a more healthy community. Fully agree with Slickz here.

[ashen mango]

Monday you mean tomorrow?

Because right now I'm grinding to be in the top 8 for the last ranger snapshot and I'd like to know if this is useless

At first when I read Monday I thought "In 8 days"

[viral marsh]

you sure they take snapshot for tournament tomorrow(if reset will be tomorrow).
coz in rules: "Be in the top 16 on the Gauntlet Ranked leaderboard by Thursday, June 5th"
so it's mean we can get reset>and then have to grind to be in top-8-16

[zenith mortar]

Tell them to fire me

just saying

you know what...

[west plume]

https://tenor.com/view/no-the-office-michael-scott-scream-gif-16929305

[high snow]

ok so based on the discussion I see no reason to play now. I will wait for the reset

[sinful hornet]

based on the discussion that clarified nothing KEKW

[high snow]

Rich stated that there will be a reset on monday/tuesday

[sinful hornet]

he didn't state

he said he hopes

and if that happens we still don't know what happens to prizes

[dull wind]

we need you Rich...

[turbid osprey]

@noble radish @worn tree Sorry for the ping on a sunday but when you see this could you please clarify when the leaderboard is set to reset

With the leaderboard rewards and big tournament snapshot happening thursday 00:00 UTC but rich rumors that it may happen tomorrow or tuesday this create a lot of fear and uncertainty as you can see in the chat. Ive also got Dm's of people wondering if they played for nothing up to this point and should continue to play until reset

You can read from this point to get the context and picture #🎮〕illuvium-arena message

thanks for the clarification 🙏

[high snow]

he said we should expect a reset anytime and he hopes Monday but could be Tuesday. At least that is the way I interpret it

[sinful hornet]

bro i've heard astrology women say things more clearly reality is we have absolute 0 clue what's going on

[vivid compass]

As an astrology woman, I concur

[high snow]

Then it should not have been said that way in the arena channel. It just confuses people

[sinful hornet]

surprise reset drop with prizes fuckup would've been even worse

[vivid compass]

I don’t mean to put doubt, but there seems to be a very unprofessional way the team does things.

If I did this to my clients, I would be laughed out of the room

Tbh, I think things should be set in advance and there should be more in depth places to find info

Especially because of the p2e aspects

[viral marsh]

if we don't know/understand when reset/snapshot will be> better play 15 games at lest, and then whait

[arctic steppe]

hey @zenith mortar can we hold off on the new patch until after the Last Man Stand tournament? I think it would make things more competitive and fair that way. Or maybe we could open it up for a vote?

[sinful hornet]

absolutely no way, live patch is complete dogshit

[viral marsh]

#🎮〕illuvium-arena message

[vivid compass]

I’m a regular gamer, so I’m just here to watch and see how the game develops and this seems a bit wild at least from my pov

[sinful hornet]

i mean the thing is i'd assume rich has no actual impact on when a reset would happen, but his message left unfortunate confusion

[vivid compass]

For example, in games like House of Legacy there is a lot of updates constantly and a lot more communication and transparency

[arctic steppe]

Yeah, of course — it totally makes sense to play the most important tournament on a patch that’s only been tested by like 10 people and is probably full of bugs...

[sinful hornet]

it makes more sense than the fortress barrier emblem coinflip simulator

[viral marsh]

we have less and less bugs on every patch. so i'm not expect this happend

[sinful hornet]

we'll have the patch on live for days before the tournament, if there's some crazy bugs we'll know

[viral marsh]

say air-man player xD

[arctic steppe]

I’ve never seen a TFT tournament in history run on a patch that’s been live on the main server for less than two weeks.

[turbid osprey]

Yes this is imo one of the biggest thing to improve

Btw theres an ongoing proposal to improve the communication aspect around the games

It needs 25 👍 to move forward #1355168989583511662 message

[sinful hornet]

have u seen a tft tournament that was bo1 qualifier into bo1 finals?

[vivid compass]

Thank you!

[sinful hornet]

in a worst case scenario if there's some insane bugs it can always be delayed or games remade

[vivid compass]

What do you guys enjoy about the arena btw?

[sinful hornet]

i just wanna play psyons honestly

[vivid compass]

And is it fun for free players

[viral marsh]

it's why you play 6 or more games air on tournament?

[sinful hornet]

arena's completely f2p

[arctic steppe]

The fairest option would be to open it up for a vote , let the players decide

[sinful hornet]

i went to bed at 3am so i just played the most braindead thing so i don't have to think

[vivid compass]

That’s awesome! Sorry I’m really lost in most of the game lol

[sinful hornet]

i have no problem with this, but there's no way it's gonna be a yes for not pushing to live

[turbid osprey]

I like the strategy depth of that game genre. Illuvium has pretty cool characters with even other games connected to it, i personally am really looking forward to play with my own illuvials but theres still no utility to them. The game is only f2p for now

[vivid compass]

Mhm!! That’s good

I like f2p games

But how is it making money?

[dull wind]

sorry @turbid osprey but you'll need to resubmit the proposal for it to go forward. The 25 upvotes must be attained within 14 days of submission.

[sinful hornet]

it's not

[vivid compass]

Then how does illuvium make profit?

[sinful hornet]

it doesn't

[vivid compass]

Is the company failing? Sorry I’m confused

[sinful hornet]

it's got 2 years of runway left or something like that, idk how they intend for arena to make money, but maybe they're just trying to use it as a funnel for people to play the mmo lite and make the money there

[vivid compass]

Why have the arena if it’s a more niche genre, takes a large amount of resources and makes no money?

[sinful hornet]

i guess we'll see

if the game was some .io game that came out 10 years ago it would be decent, unless they pull out an insanely godlike game with insanely godlike cosmetics idk how they want to be profitable on this

[vivid compass]

Yeah, that’s my perspective as well

In 2015 there were ever after high games on the ever after high website, these games were somehow more fun

Like they had a game similar to the arena and it was really fun

[raven obsidian]

casual mode on testnet.. are they all AI?

[sinful hornet]

if no one else is playing yes, same on live

[raven obsidian]

okay, maybe it was a player then lol

do you know if the AI bots now move illuvials up to last couple of seconds to position better ?

i got rekt

[sinful hornet]

i don't remember seeing AI move units at all, definetly not last second so that was a player probably

also bots usually have nothing on their bench

[raven obsidian]

okay

i didnt notice the bench tbh

[ashen mango]

Please just reset on Thursday

Keep things simple, no friction

[zenith mortar]

In the end don’t worry I don’t make decisions if I did then you could worry

I planned the date of the tournament.

What @worn tree, @topaz lake and Production team decides to do in terms of patch/reset is above my clearance level.

But they have the date so I’m at their discretion

But feel free to suggest my replacement if you feel I’m so unprofessional @spring basin, I’m sure @umbral oracle will heed your advice

[violet summit]

Let's all play some testnet, alright?

Who wants to create a lobby?

[ebon aspen]

im down for tesnet

TEST 5UU3SX

@violet summit 5UU3SX

[violet summit]

Coming!

3/8 5UU3SX

[ebon aspen]

don't think we will get more than 3 at this time

[violet summit]

😔

ok, we can go if you guys want

[ebon aspen]

going to start

[worn tree]

The leaderboard reset will be on thursday 00:00 UTC, lined up with the usual weekly snapshot.

[dull wind]

https://tenor.com/view/you-all-need-to-calm-down-jordan-orme-you-all-need-to-relax-you-must-all-take-a-deep-breath-everyone-needs-to-calm-down-gif-12196340640283983372

[zenith mortar]

“As always” is a stretch Nil

[dull wind]

surely he meant from now on 😅

[ashen mango]

Thanks for the clarification 🫡

[worn tree]

You are right, "as usual" is a fairer word 👍🏻🙏🏻

[zenith mortar]

Even still? As usual? I don’t think we’ve had “usual” resets yet?

That’s why this entire discussion is happening

[ebon aspen]

tesnet RXXQQR

[viral marsh]

leaderboard or rating reset?

[violet summit]

@ebon aspen thanks for hosting

it was fun 😄
got 4 behemoth in the last round haha

[ebon aspen]

5 min we start

3/8

4/8

going to have 5 in 3 min

[worn tree]

We did have one a couple of months ago, but that was the only one.

These resets, however, need to be applied during the regular weekly snapshot, so they line up correctly. That’s what I meant by “as usual.”

[supple epoch]

https://tenor.com/view/train-stunt-gif-8159579

[violet summit]

So we can expect LB reset every 4 weeks, after the snapshot is taken, right?

[worn tree]

Hard reset, everyone at 1200.

[ebon aspen]

5/8

RXXQQR

[viral marsh]

it's mean we got resets every week after this?

[ebon aspen]

starting

[worn tree]

Nope, this hard reset is happening because of the new features coming in.

About future hard/soft resets, we will give more details soon.

[worn tree]

We will explain 👍🏻

[noble hinge]

How does ranger bonding work?? I was trying to drag an Illuvial close to it but nothing happened. Is there a trick to it?

[ebon aspen]

gg

[viral marsh]

need put illuvial in ranger

[zenith mortar]

its still going to improve but yes currently you hover for a couple seconds and it bonds while showing th ebonding progress

but its going to change to more of a drag and drop or click not sure which but it will be easier and quicker

[noble hinge]

I was trying to just drag and drop. That explains it. Thanks!

[languid sparrow]

see 0.33 sec
https://x.com/illuviumio/status/1929255990874222607

[turbid osprey]

Thanks a lot for taking the time to come clear things up @worn tree , greatly appreciated

Casual testnet YWV45P

[languid sparrow]

How to bound or unbound.
How to see which illuvial the Ranger is bounded to ?

[turbid osprey]

Right click on ranger to see the description and you have the illuvial you are bonded to at the bottom there

You can make a new bond by directly bonding the new illuvial or by selling / removing the current bonded illuvial from the board

[viral marsh]

nice bonding system, especially when need switch augs, and not forget that your ranger bounding with him.
at round 27-32 when you got more 4 components/aug, ussualy have 100+ gold for rolls, and HP around for last fight it will be interesting.
Gone in 60 Seconds will seems too slow compare to this rounds

and you start fusing augs> 2 sec 1, then 2 sec other, then switch, then rebondig, have to reposition, roll/roll/roll.
and imagine you doing all that on mobile. xD. some rounds need x2 timer.
or need options put augs during round.
or need remove bonding/fusing augs time cast.
and even with it some last rounds to fast, and i'm usually think quickly

[arctic steppe]

7/8!!! one more before the reset bug the queue

mission completed 🔥

[fervent crater]

is there a augment page somewhere for testnet build

[fluid raptor]

everyday this time, this bug :/

[bronze spire]

in yet?

[fluid raptor]

I am just waiting like you said 😄

did not quit

[fervent crater]

where are augments? i can't see the carasual text

[bronze spire]

qued 40 mins after reset thought it was safe haha

[fluid raptor]

trying it for the first time like you said 😄

[bronze spire]

sweet lets let eachother know if one gets in

[fluid raptor]

you quit?

[bronze spire]

nah

[fluid raptor]

same 😄

[fervent crater]

it will fix itself if you have list of augments

[fluid raptor]

?

[fervent crater]

karma, i just looking for the augments to study, i cant read text in game, im too blind

[fluid raptor]

XD

did not wanted to spend a lot of time but it seems like only way is to spend a LOOOT of time to play good

playing for 48 hours straight and just started to play decent

[fervent crater]

i do okay, but then i look for something to destroy team but it never arrive and i fall apart to superior augment play

[fluid raptor]

this is why I have started to prefer non-specific augments

[open ibex]

1600 secs..

[fluid raptor]

1800 here ;XD

[bronze spire]

2130

[fervent crater]

yes, that is where grand master comes into effect, but im on level 1 right now, i dont know any augment

[fluid raptor]

teckson we need you at guild wars 😛

[open ibex]

I uninstalled🤣 🤣 🤣

[fervent crater]

ooooof

[fluid raptor]

ahahaha I thought so XD

I sold a moa for 5m so I thought why not 😛

[fervent crater]

i cant kick your butt if i dunno augments, paying for augment list

[fluid raptor]

there was a list for it

[fervent crater]

i see drone augments, but thats it

not these pieces thing

[fluid raptor]

you better focus a single kind of augments first

but probably the moment you learn all they will be changed XD

game is on

[bronze spire]

game popped @open ibex

[fluid raptor]

@bronze spire yes

XD

[bronze spire]

@whole palm game

[fervent crater]

probably, i do not deny, but my skill is maxed until i can get a grip on these things... there's no place anywhere for this info?

[bronze spire]

@west quartz @dire anchor game

[west quartz]

???

thanks

no idea i was in a game i had quit the launcher lmfao

[bronze spire]

nps

[umbral oracle]

You're 100% right, I'll apologise on behalf of Rich, our marketing team has been cut by 80% in the past 12 months and he was forced to pick up a lot of the slack, including doing the tournaments, he's also about to have a new baby so stress levels have reached boiling point.

We'll get this right in the next couple of weeks. The reality is I think we need to outsource tournaments to someone like @lean ivy in the short term.

We really need to have this first esports committee meeting. Like, this week.

[bronze spire]

wait has leadboard reset?

[ivory saddle]

Thursday #🎮〕illuvium-arena message

[bronze spire]

oh nice

[ivory saddle]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1_g_zQRvHB45MxPhCdUJ_bh9acK2A2hfYhJ79RslFsm0/edit?gid=1085157877#gid=1085157877

[fervent crater]

hooray, i send you a beer, it may evaporate before it gets there though, its high in alcohol content

[twilit storm]

@umbral oracle great choice Baron, @lean ivy is really a good host,I put all i had into tournaments/events crafting since early 2024 for this game but I recognize Caveman did much more. /salute

[fervent crater]

wow this homework is fun...

[fluid raptor]

I have asked you yesterday about it and that is good. but I would suggest for weekly reset. so everyone would try to do something. top players would have to do more than 15 games. and for my case, I made it from 900 to 1300 in 2 days. I was not playing for 2+ weeks since I was down in hell at about 900 rating 😄 if you get down there you would not want to play, so weekly reset would start up a fire to try better. after losing 10 games in a row you are down below 1k and that is demotivating. so not resetting for about a month does not seem like a good idea to me. at least my openion.

or at least bi-weekly reset at least 🙂

regular cycles at least XD

[ebon flume]

There are 5 ICC members that could easily help Rich with this

[primal flax]

If needed I can help with eSports thing, but I'm sure we have a lot of qualified ppl already doing it.

[copper phoenix]

Can we share videos? I just played a game and I really want to share the exciting parts with everyone.

[fallen vortex]

Of the Arena/Overworld?

Yeah there's no restrictions, the game is in a public beta

[copper phoenix]

Arena

[fallen vortex]

yeah share whatever u want 🙂

[copper phoenix]

But it seems there are some restrictions; I can't send it out.

[jolly whale]

There is no in game feature for capturing ingame footage if that's what you mean.

You could use 3rd party steaming software or game capture software to do that

[jolly whale]

Or if you mean you can't share in discord.... you need to be level 5 to share things or post links

[west plume]

You need to be level 5, a leadmod can upgrade you like pelican or Rich.
is it a youtube video?

[severe steeple]

testnet?

[valid stirrup]

Good morning @Kieran,
Caveman is definitely a great guy, very active in the streaming scene and involved in many projects. That said, I’ve also noticed someone in the Discord who’s always present and dedicated to the community— @twilit storm
He’s been consistently running tournaments since the early days of the game, offering solid advice based on real experience.

Sometimes, the people who’ve been quietly doing the work from the beginning deserve a bit more visibility when changes start happening. @zenith mortar maybe it’s worth acknowledging Quants directly in the chat when you’re around—he’s really earned a place at the table, and I think his input would be valuable for the direction we’re heading.

[severe steeple]

7YAVGW testnet

[severe steeple]

7YAVGW testnet

[worldly token]

noone else down for testnet currently?

[frank moon]

https://tenor.com/view/feedback-oprah-giving-gif-2563769652191273520

[severe steeple]

should we start or wait a couple more minutes?

[worldly token]

lets just start and do another one later 😄

[copper phoenix]

I recorded a video with my mobile phone. Now I realize that I need to know how to quickly reach level 5.

[sharp gale]

About new weapons in testnet update, wtf, only 2 rogue weapons in 15 weapons, and there are earth & nature ?! who play rogue earth/nature ? there are no sense to that 🙏

[bronze spire]

d you want more rogue weapons or less?

[severe steeple]

9REDBS testnet

[tight swift]

GG @worldly token that was epic

[worldly token]

it was! gg
positioning mattered a lot at the end. Those colossuses just wont die 😄

[tight swift]

a bit differently positioned and instead of losing you won

[valid stirrup]

I am at work in 9 hour i will see you

[eager portal]

strange remark, this is what they mostly play: spore mud

[twilit storm]

what about Steam Slayer or Inferno Pred/phantom. nobody will ever be able to do them, right?

[spring basin]

No worries at all, that’s understandable. I know Rich has a lot on his plate and is doing the best he can 🙏

That sounds really good! Yeah, Caveman is definitely a great pick to host and organize the monthly tournament, and I think he’d enjoy doing it too 😊

It’d be awesome if we could get one going this week. I’ll try to free up my schedule, so just hit me up in DMs with a time that works for you 👍

[eager portal]

Yes

[sharp gale]

More, 15 weapons, why not give 3 weapons with each element, why fighter/psion has 4 🤔

[sharp gale]

This synergies have more sense with rogue than spore/mud in first time I agree

[frozen tartan]

Hi Keiran, I hope you’re doing well.

I wanted to share my thoughts about Davide from Dreamers Esports, who has been organizing our regular tournaments.

Having worked with him for the past couple of weeks, I’ve seen that he’s a very responsible and dedicated person. He runs two tournaments every week and has already organized a large number of events. Thanks to his efforts, attendance at Dreamers Esports tournaments is steadily growing, and participants are very satisfied with the quality of the events.

Sometimes it’s worth paying attention to those who might not seem popular at first glance, but who are truly appreciated and supported by the community right now.

Looking ahead, we plan to expand the format by hosting more diverse tournaments and adding new games to attract players from other Illuvium projects into our community.

I believe Davide from Dreamers Esports is an excellent candidate to help develop this area further, and I kindly ask you to consider him.

[viral marsh]

but spore: "On Omega: Spore units heal a percentage of their Max Health...." - and this weapon not use omega. if they not rework it> you just pick weapon for 50% or less efficiency

[sinful hornet]

idk how most other players feel and if i'm alone in this, but if the ladder was gonna reset weekly i would simply play 0 games instead of 200

[viral marsh]

i'm not sure. but as 1st looking for that: i'd play much at 1st week probably, coz new patch, competition etc.
then i'l play x2 less probably, 1-3rd place dothen matter, i'l take my 6-12 for 5 hours/day

but i think they prepare something new to motivate us, like placement in LB give you invite for tournament, or something other smilar

[safe valve]

Already the case with the upcoming ilv tournament 🙂

[viral marsh]

yes, but it's still no reason play 12-15 hours every day to get small opportunity

[safe valve]

To be in that tournament?

[viral marsh]

LB positions not give you insta invite. i can be at 32+ position in LB and got in tournament by play 4 hours in sit and go part

[sinful hornet]

and if tournament doesn't even have guaranteed prizing then u're just gambling dozens of hours

[viral marsh]

it's 32 slots in tournament. and how much competitive players we have? and not tell tailes that everything changes soon. xD

[safe valve]

top 16 give insta invite, no?
That you take sit and got as easy access is more because of lack of playerbase/competition, no?

[viral marsh]

top 16-8 give 8 extra points. top-8-1 give extra 16 points
"All top-16 qualifiers still play the Sit-n-Go but receive flat bonus points based on rank:

Ranks 1–8 → +16 points
Ranks 9–16 → +8 points
"

[sinful hornet]

lack of competition is only gonna change with super rewards increase

if anything with weekly resets it's gonna go down

[safe valve]

don't know what you are going with that.
Top 16 leaderboard is insta invite as last time, right?
Implementing systems to suit a very small playerbase like we currently have isn't the way i would go.

[sinful hornet]

it's not insta invite u have to play some

[viral marsh]

rewards is fine, if imagine token price at other position, not where it's now

[twilit storm]

My recommendation involved decoupling the leaderboard and tournament structures. The dynamic leaderboard is particularly advantageous in this regard, as it establishes a new, unconflicted metric for eligibility. This negates the necessity for ELO resets, given the inherent separation of the two systems. Consequently, this provides a broader demographic of players with the opportunity to participate in events, independent of their ELO rating. But...who am I...to say something, right?

[viral marsh]

#📣〕announcements message

[safe valve]

ya the usual 15 games

[sinful hornet]

no, you have to play the sit and go

[safe valve]

so whats exactly the problem with you don't play much if you even have to play in the sit n go?

[viral marsh]

that will work when we have more people around probably

[viral marsh]

time/rewards not worth?

[safe valve]

leaderboard rewards?

why you rank 2 in leaderboard if you think it's not worth to play for the rewards?

playing just for fun?

[viral marsh]

it's not worth if reset will be every week

[safe valve]

why not?

[viral marsh]

play 15 hours every day for 12ilv?

[sinful hornet]

because now u play 12 hours a day first week then u play another half a week like that then u play 15 games a week

if u reset weekly it's 10000% not worth the rewards

[safe valve]

i'm really trying to understand... but you kinda make it hard 😄

[viral marsh]

then you not look how we play 1st two week. any idea why 3 players around 3k, and other at 2k?

[safe valve]

wouldn't a weekly reset change playing behaviour overall?
Like if all 12h a day player don't play 12h a day anmyore, it wouldn't be needed to play 12h a day to get top ranks?

[sinful hornet]

no it would make u need to play 12 hours a day for the whole month

unless we literally quit playing cuz it's not worth it

[safe valve]

why... you don't do it, fox doesn't do it... i bet slickz wouldn't do it either

[viral marsh]

no.
at start we have more people who fight, and first 4 days we was close, then people start give-up, coz can't stay at same tempo

[sinful hornet]

exactly

[safe valve]

so nobody is playing 12h a day

so the dude with 8h a day gets rank 1

[sinful hornet]

yes because we quit

[safe valve]

yes

others would just play less to get rank 1 i guess 🙂

[viral marsh]

it will not work like that.
1 week race not much, so some people will try it. at next week others try it

[safe valve]

that wouldn't be bad either, right? so more people would get a shot at the top rankings.

[viral marsh]

yes, it's not bad to involve new players try their power. but i don't see myself in this race

[safe valve]

https://tenor.com/view/joker-fair-enough-gif-26167449

[viral marsh]

and when people start think what they doing, to spend 100hour for 100$. not sure they continue do it

[violet summit]

I dont get this tbh
so if you're rank 1-8 and you play 1 match during the sit n'go and you get 8th place, you still get 1+16 = 17 points

[frank moon]

what about spend 100 hours for fun, progression and achievements!?

[violet summit]

is that how it works?

[viral marsh]

you just get extra points for your LB position

[viral marsh]

for fun i'l play 3-5 hours/day

not 12-16 stressful repeat of same build/random i got

[frank moon]

good, don't stress yourself but have fun

[viral marsh]

how not stress when you sleep 6 hours, and then play again and again?

[frank moon]

why do you do this?

[viral marsh]

to got 1st place?

[frank moon]

you play for fun right?

[viral marsh]

no

[frank moon]

ok then don't complain

[viral marsh]

it's no fun when you play 20 games/day

[frank moon]

good, stress yourself and be #1

this is how champions are born

welcome to the real world

[viral marsh]

strange advice from man from side

[frank moon]

I think the goal of the game is fun

if you choose not to have fun while playing a game, that's your decision and you will have to live with it

[viral marsh]

ecpecialy at this patch, when your fun depend, do you got 10% chance to got clumsy

[turbid osprey]

Much respect for this message @umbral oracle 👊

Im glad to see you take it seriously and acknowledge it needs to be outsourced. The arena competitive scene is our first product we will try to sell to players in the coming months, lets get some players and finally start the illuvium ecosystem

[frank moon]

if you're not having fun playing a game, maybe you shouldn't play it. It's a game right? meant to be fun

[viral marsh]

if you play 4 games everyday and tell about fun, and even not understand me, probably not need give me advices, i'm not ask you about it

[frank moon]

fun is different for everyone, even when we are playing the same game

[sinful hornet]

like this?

always the people who don't play the game talking about fun for some reason

[gloomy mural]

if you want fun

play web2 games

web3 is for earning

not for getting fun

[frank moon]

I don't play if I don't have fun, it's simple

[gloomy mural]

when u earn and have a little fun its very cool, but the main thing is earning

[sinful hornet]

if the only players in this game were playing for fun there'd be more bots in lobbies than real players

[frank moon]

yeah that's why most web3 games fail. They still claim to aim for a fun game though. Thats what attracts the real players!

web2 is here!

[gloomy mural]

yeap people who is playing illuviun only for fun we can count on the fingers

[viral marsh]

but this game become more and more looks like web-2

[gloomy mural]

its not web2 dude

web2 is tft

[sinful hornet]

he's sarcastic

[gloomy mural]

much better than illuvium if we are honest

because in tft u playing for fun

in illuvium for earning

[frank moon]

soon we will all play for fun

[gloomy mural]

because its web3 and its web3

[gloomy mural]

w/e

[frank moon]

We will even pay to be on a council because the status is so high

[gloomy mural]

dont wanna continue this talk

[gloomy mural]

and its the problem

[viral marsh]

soon anyone can become council

[frank moon]

I'm also very sad that we've been ignoring anything web3/economy. We might still go there as a last resort!

[sinful hornet]

did they tho? beyond's kinda the only thing they could do that was even worth it

[frank moon]

worth it for who? The team? We're giving out thousands of ILV tokens and the revenue can maybe get us half of rogiers wage

[turbid osprey]

he says that because no utility for illuvials/assets still after 1 year of "launch"

Casual testnet UVK8TY

[sinful hornet]

utility's not real, either u made something good enough for people to wanna buy them just to have them or the only utility u can do besides that is pay people more money to make them buy assets which would be dumb

[turbid osprey]

the goal is to play arena with illuvials, without this everything is worth 0 for all games

[sinful hornet]

i legit don't even see a 0.1% chance of that succeeding

mmo might even have double digit %

[frank moon]

people never see it until it's too late. High risk high reward, count me in

[sinful hornet]

nah it's legit no reward

there just doesn't exist enough people in the world who would pay to play gauntlet

[turbid osprey]

mmo is far down the line, they literally just started

personally i also have trouble seeing how this could be a huge success. mmo genre is getting old and its already something that web3 is attacking. for example theres axie (biggest web3 game) thats gonna release theirs before us and they will have put much more money and time into it. MMO is like the hardest game genre to make and we are doing a lite version in a couple months/1 year, i personally cant see how that would be the success but thats just my opinion

[sinful hornet]

it's not a real mmo

[frank moon]

kierans words managed to attract millions of dollars. If he goes on holiday to manilla once we will have thousands if not millions of players

[ashen mango]

It's good for the narrative

I'm curious to see the roguelike game, it could be fun

Also can't wait to see other regions

This battleboard would be sick

[frozen tartan]

https://tenor.com/view/hamster-let-me-go-i-wanna-go-out-gif-16466889

[ashen mango]

Wtf 🤣

[frozen tartan]

I also like this board

[sinful hornet]

@worn tree wtf happened here look item number

[jolly whale]

Does anyone else have this issue when queing?

Lobby says 6/8

Game seems to be taking a really long time to start

Cancel que and reload

Lobby says 2/8

There has to be some kind of que issue where you get booted out of the que but the game doesn't tell you.

Its been happening for a very long time, and I'm wondering how come this bug hasn't been fixed! If player retention is a priority this really needs to be fixed asap. Can you imagine a new player unknowingly in a endless que just getting fed up and uninstalling before even trying the game

I know bugs are not a priority until we get all the features in, but this seems like a particularly foolish one not to address asap!

[languid sparrow]

Changed the image with your image it's fit better 👍

[viral marsh]

sometimes i got x2 components that have to. it's ussualy happend at late rounds. at 28 i can get 6-8 components. not sure is it ussual.
he pick colossus with HP bonus. but he have 4 augs, you just 2. seems that happend to him, and he got x2 components

[worn tree]

This should be fixed in the next deployment.

[worldly token]

I just sold an illuvial while trying to put it on the bench:

was like where I marked it. Is that supposed to happen? Seems quite dumb that you can sell between bench and field?!

[regal hound]

https://tenor.com/view/jontron-tugging-boat-falling-into-water-entropy-disorder-gif-22035712

[jolly whale]

Holy moley.... 1 hp left @spring basin

[spring basin]

Yeah GG wp! That last switch on twine won you the game.

[jolly whale]

Lucky.... wasn't really sure it was the right move!

[spring basin]

It was for sure^^

[ashen mango]

It needs to be changed for sure

[turbid osprey]

Testnet casual: ZGPSHZ

[ebon flume]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-driving-serious-cat-driving-focus-driving-gif-11924413609777581867

[jolly whale]

Oh! That's very cool!

[low comet]

am i the very first player to ever reach level 10?

[turbid osprey]

we were always going lvl10 when gauntlet came out but now the best strat is 98% to stay on lvl8 and 2% lvl9 so thats why no one reaches it

4/8 testnet ZGPSHZ

[low comet]

i stay at level 8 like 95% of the time, this map gave me opportunity to get to level 10 first time hahaha

[turbid osprey]

5/8 testnet
ZGPSHZ

[native mauve]

coming 2 min

[turbid osprey]

7/8 testnet

[safe valve]

https://tenor.com/view/cooking-salad-chef-cook-chaos-gif-17181449

[turbid osprey]

new testnet lobby FMWJ55

[vivid stirrup]

still lookin?

[zenith mortar]

When your attacks or omegas deal something extra for a number of activations. For example, flail has +250 dmg per hit, and all amps are individual modifiers to that attack

[rancid raptor]

I appreciate your effort but I did not understand shit my friend 😅 . Also Devs please make it a bit more complicated next time like throw some integral equation in there

[ashen mango]

https://tenor.com/view/formulas-hangover-gif-4841358

[rancid raptor]

I can solve most of what's in the gif but not understand what empowered means

Literally

[zenith mortar]

@topaz lake maybe you can help explain more?

I dont either really

i copy pasted his answer lol

[ashen mango]

Tbh I think that empowered hits are easy to understand
Some of your hits are stronger due to an ability or a synergy, they are called "empowered"

[rancid raptor]

Is it even relevant? Like is it going to be like this people asking something so complicated and unexplained anywhere?

[rancid raptor]

Lol

[zenith mortar]

it might not be as complicated as we think maybe im just not getting it like sota said

[ashen mango]

If you play the flail and cast your omega your 5 next hits will deal more damage

[zenith mortar]

might just be overthinking it

[ashen mango]

5 empowered hits

[zenith mortar]

but why 5?

[rancid raptor]

We have to understand most people, especially new people who we would like to stick around, will be reading this with a timer on their back

And I'm sitting here patiently reading this, with like +300.games played and still don't get it

I might be dumb but still.

[ashen mango]

I think that it's hard to make it easier to understand

[weary sinew]

question is ascendant comming back? i like playing my best illuvials ... i feal like thats appealing and fun ... not playing with my t0 in gauntlet

[rancid raptor]

Seeing edi typing for like 5minutes straight I think proves your point lol

[topaz lake]

Empowered Attack/Omega = Attack or Omega that comes with an attached effect (e.g., Heal, extra damage, status effects, buffs/debuffs).

In the case of Ripple Flail, the empowered is given on attacks (+250 damage per hit for 4 hits) and the amplifiers are other add-ons to those 4 hits.

[ashen mango]

From chat GPT

Charged hits – simple and conveys buildup or boost.

Boosted hits – casual and very easy to grasp.

Enhanced hits – slightly more formal, but still clear.

Amplified hits – emphasizes increased intensity.

Augmented hits – fits well with sci-fi themes, though slightly more technical.

Synergized hits – directly references synergy-based boosts, if that’s the source.

Powered-up hits – casual and familiar from games.

[sinful hornet]

can we make squizz omega not cancel when he gets cced with lightning literally coming down on opponents?

[supple epoch]

https://tenor.com/view/flow-gif-9404131253063385888

[ashen mango]

"Charged hits" and "Powered-up" hits could be improvements

[ashen mango]

Isn't it 5 hits in case of the flail?

[supple epoch]

I study my moves but I never see the sorcery larking 🙂

[topaz lake]

Should be 4, if you see 5 anywhere it's probably a bug or wrong description.

[turbid osprey]

no we are done

[rancid raptor]

So every weapon has unique/ independent upgrades to chose from?

[topaz lake]

Those are more or less the same as saying empowered hits. Happy to reword if you find it confusing or unclear.

[ashen mango]

I guess that this vocabulary comes from Aaron who seems to like sophisticated vocabulary

[vivid stirrup]

https://tenor.com/view/okay-next-please-south-park-s13e3-margaritaville-next-in-line-gif-22863342

[ashen mango]

The simpler the better as long as it doesn't become too familiar

[topaz lake]

Yes, 5 amplifiers for each weapon.

[vivid stirrup]

9GDQ38 Testnet

[sinful hornet]

what is unique about root?

[ashen mango]

Isn't it a stun?

[sinful hornet]

but it can't be only a stun or it wouldn't be root

[rancid raptor]

Ohh ok so you have to asociate it with the weapons ability you are using. Thought the upgrades were the same for all the weapons

[ashen mango]

Oh no sorry it's not a stun since you can root with archie

Without stunning

So 0 MS

[rancid raptor]

Root keeps you in place but you can still attack I suppose. (Although melee units usually don't)

[ashen mango]

But I don't understand why it interrupts a cast

[topaz lake]

No, they are unique for each weapon. You cannot get Cleaver Amplifiers in the pool if you're using Lance.

[rancid raptor]

Gotcha then it will get easier once I'm more familiar with what every weapon does

Thanks for the clarification

[sinful hornet]

ye this is why i'm asking

i feel like the game gets a lot better if cling ult doesn't just deny psyons from existence

[ashen mango]

I wonder if Archie's root is different than Cling's root

I don't recall Archie interrupting a cast

[rancid raptor]

And the tornado bird

[ashen mango]

If I have a Vermillare against an Archeleon usually it can cast

[sinful hornet]

i mean that one's fine cuz u can outposition, but cling is like the whole board

[topaz lake]

You're welcome! We have some UI improvements planned for the amplifier pick phase. Should be better after that.

[sinful hornet]

and fern is knockup not root

[rancid raptor]

Ye knockup makes more sense, well you could think root immobilizes so you also can't "move to cast"

[sinful hornet]

doesn't really make sense

[severe steeple]

9GDQ38 testnet

[sinful hornet]

ohhhhh nvm no it's not the root

he knockups after the root ok solved

[ashen mango]

What's the difference between knockup and stun?

[sinful hornet]

no clue on this one

[ashen mango]

Do you know @turbid osprey?

[turbid osprey]

Nope, dont recall seeing knockup, who/what is using that?

[supple beacon]

In league when you get knockup you go airborn and you cannot reduce the airborn time by any mean, but stun duration can be reduced

[sinful hornet]

yea, but we don't have cc reduction in arena

or yasuo combo for knockup

[winter breach]

is it me, or the "RNG" rules the illuvials out when you pick a drone augument as the first one? This fake-arse "RNG" needs rework. Everytime you pick a behemoth for example, you're guaranteed to get a much worse seed of required illuvials to achieve the bonus, no matter how much gold you spent re-rolling

and its usually the last round before you lose that "RNG" gives you something you've been looking forever to make S3 or whatever

[sinful hornet]

it's expected to completely miss uncontested units once in a blue moon, i geniunely never thought rng was fucked for me, but slickz said he had some fucked uncontested shops in multiple games that ai says it's more likely to be the game not working properly than the chance of it happening

[winter breach]

i definitely check weather something is contested before rendering it faulty, last game i played two people had teantee and that was it. all i got seeded was 1xS1 the whole game lol. Cause ive had invoker.

but its not first time ive experienced this. Somehow you can spend 70gold and on last round, the automatic refresh will give you what you need. By last i mean, win or lose game completely

[ashen mango]

2 Teeantee means that you were quite contested if you wanted to go for Seeforus

It's not negligeable

[winter breach]

yeah, neverthless. The game seeded me one S1. the whole 20+ rounds

[sinful hornet]

that's not what i meant, i meant even a unit that's completely uncontested once in a blue moon it's expected to miss completely

[winter breach]

ah i see

[sinful hornet]

but this is why i think emblems focused gameplay is so insanely dogshit, the best autobattler gameplay comes when u let the player work with the shop he's getting not force him to hit or get fucked

[ashen mango]

But I agree that the shop is bugged

When there is 1/1 000 000 chance of not getting an uncontested illuvial after 40+ rolls and it happens almost every day with a small playerbase it's reasonable to assume that something isn't working properly

[winter breach]

true 🙂

[lean ivy]

I'm happy to help where I can 👍

[lean ivy]

You have run some great tournaments also Quants. I think we all know you have been important to keeping a steady flow of competitive play! 🫡

[ashen mango]

Caveman the GOAT 🔥

[lean ivy]

I want to voice some support for @sinful hornet and @viral marsh for weekly resets being rough.

I do think the Monthly resets would be better. We don't see TFT reseting for months. This allows time for MMR and ELO systems to actually start making a meaningful difference while preventing it just being who can grind the most.

There is the trade off that weekly resets do make new players feel like they have a chance to start new and compete. I think with our current player base more frequent patches are understandable, so I will let the team decide what they think is best but once we have a really solid build we should stick to a monthly reset and then as we scale and get more players potentially start expanding the time frame.

[viral marsh]

i'm not against weekly reset. just tell about my point, that it's high chances i'l play less with it. if it will be only weekly reset changes from month, without any other rules.

but if leviathan start work finally, we got more tournaments in both modes, we have different events like Quants LB, or they create something else, like DND map+grind gauntlet or other cind of grind/qualy for tournaments, we will not care about month/week reset, we will play much

[sinful hornet]

if they think it's better for the game to go with weekly reset then go with it, i just don't see a world where that can be true

imo i think the 15 games minimum are already making casuals just not play instead of doing 5-10 games a week

[sinful hornet]

cling as well

[turbid osprey]

I dont know if its any different, but knockup doesnt show in text when it happens

I know @worn tree you wanted to simplify terms where you could a couple months ago. If knock ups arent that different perhaps they could simply become stuns

[dull wind]

I sure hope they don't go with weekly resets, not even if it's soft reset. Resets should only come with new seasons along with a new battle pass set of objectives. IMO should be something like 6-12 weeks long.

[sinful hornet]

that's what i think as well, but every 1 month could be more positive than negative

[ashen mango]

I would say 3-6 weeks rather as there's a decline in player activity after around 3 weeks I think

Elo gaps are getting wider and wider

It's harder to climb the ranks

[dull wind]

elo gaps are noticeable because we lack players for now

we shouldn't make decisions based on problems from a low playerbase if our aim is to grow.

[ashen mango]

Is growing our aim though?
Without any marketing campaign it doesn't seem obvious to me

I mean in the short term

[dull wind]

well do you think marketing an unfinished, unbalanced game with bugs is a good idea?

[ashen mango]

No I agree that they should not launch the marketing campaign
I was not criticizing this decision but I was highlighting that as long as there isn't a marketing campaign it isn't clear to me that the current goal is to grow
If they really wanted to grow they would probably remove levels in leviathan for the time being, not that I'm complaining since it's not bad for me

[dull wind]

does anyone even play leviathan? The leviathan campaign will start once they have the game in a good enough state.

[ashen mango]

Not at the moment, hopefully the altcoin season starts soon so that we can all have fun in leviathan

And when I say all I mean me with my rogues beating everyone else 😋 😈

[frozen tartan]

https://tenor.com/view/barron-trump-trump-son-trump-baron-trump-i-can't-hear-you-gif-5458235178671422778

[ashen mango]

Including you Winnie ⚔️

[frozen tartan]

#💬〕general message

🤫

[frozen tartan]

Who knows… Maybe Leviathan will wake up earlier than everyone expects👀

[ashen mango]

Let's play a leviathan game once the patch is on mainnet

I mean 2 weeks after because I will probably grind the ranked leaderboard first

[frozen tartan]

Maybe we can get together for a game right after the patch goes live to test the level mechanics and spot any bugs?

[ashen mango]

I would love to but I must prioritize ranked

The first days are important

[rancid raptor]

is there a way to know if i have played enough ranked matches this week? i kind of want to play testnet but don't want to miss the rewards

[bronze spire]

need to know what you started on only way i think

[ashen mango]

I think that the raffle tickets reset last Thursday so they are currently counting your games as well for this week

[noble hinge]

If you go to the Gauntlet Leaderboard it doesn't tell you how many games you played this week but it will tell you how many raffle tickets you have for the week. I had thought that as long as we had raffle tickets that meant we had played enough games but I don't think I have played enough this week and yet I am showing two raffle tickets. Now I am wondering too.

[zenith mortar]

No there isn’t a directly easy way, I’ve forwarded to the team to maybe add a “qualified indicator” or something, but if you’re getting fuel drops you have at least 20 games. So there is that but no it’s not easily clear currently

[supple beacon]

Are you sure about that? I think I have less than 15 games this week and I received fuel drops

Maybe I am confuse with last week idk

[zenith mortar]

According to the eligibility requirement in the blog

[ebon aspen]

not again with this reset 8/8

[supple beacon]

I think there is a bug then, I'll check next week if I receive drop.

[bronze spire]

or maybe its 20 games total not weekly

[zenith mortar]

Yeah might be that

[zenith mortar]

They think they found the cause

And are looking into fixing it

[supple beacon]

Yeah that would make sense

[carmine obsidian]

All matchmaking error ? 🙄

[void dust]

yar

[void dust]

I got in a little late in wave 2

[ebon aspen]

I'm still not in

[void dust]

make a move then playa

He's in!

[fervent crater]

whats the S tier augment today for Phoenik, and or Phenomenix?

[jolly whale]

Waiting for the arena patch

[fervent crater]

maybe we all should pet our squiddles

[zenith mortar]

TER4B3

casual testnet

[zenith mortar]

We are going to postpone the tournament

due to the patch etc

gg

[uncut comet]

the last ranger standing tournament ?

[zenith mortar]

yes

will make an announcement when i can

[dark scaffold]

Testnet ppl
TER4B3

[zenith mortar]

@spare frigate

@west plume

@summer frigate

@plush iron

@vivid stirrup

@valid stirrup

@uncut comet

@ebon aspen

@bronze spire

[spare frigate]

work call atm + updating z.z

[bronze spire]

omw

[bronze spire]

how long we waiting for?

[dark scaffold]

think we just wait for mr. @spare frigate to move his ass into lobby

[spare frigate]

signing

in

[zenith mortar]

yeah

lets go

we ready

shit

fuck

@bronze spire

42UGN4

sorry

i restarted

im dumb

[dark scaffold]

missfire 🤣

[zenith mortar]

42UGN4

[spare frigate]

@tribal glade

[zenith mortar]

KEWFH3

restarted

KEWFH3

[bronze spire]

@tribal glade we restarted

[valid stirrup]

Sorry Rich , i am on the way to work , i ill see you on 10 hour

[worldly token]

normal ranked queues empty, because everybody playing testnet 😄

[west plume]

At work

[solid wadi]

Also not US time...

[worldly token]

True, but usually I can find a game in a quite short amount of time. Maybe just had a bad time slot earlier 😁

[solid wadi]

How long is short? 1000s? During US times it is down to 200 s maybe

[viral marsh]

so, patch not soon come to us?

[worldly token]

Usually ca 300-400 id say

[spring basin]

It probably has a lot to do with the upcoming hard reset. People feel like there's nothing to play for, so this might end up being the week with the lowest number of games since the leaderboard started. I'm a bit worried this could keep happening with the weekly resets, especially if there's no real sense of progress or longterm goals.

[violet summit]

Noooooooooooooooo

1 week?

[worn tree]

Now that we are entering in the refinement phase, this type of feedback is very useful.

Thank you!

[violet summit]

The first weekend this year that I will be on vacation I won't make it to the tournament 😭

Unless you postpone 2 weeks

[ashen mango]

Will the snapshot be taken the 5th?

I'm still grinding to stay in the top 8 and I'd like to know if the snapshot will be taken after the reset

[west plume]

A lot of people who has locked in their 15 games don't want to risk a loss streak to get moved down on the leaderboard before snapshot.

At least in my experience

[ashen mango]

Also will ticket raffles be reset as well?

[twilit storm]

Wasn't the reason for the long wait times in ranked queues due to the Grinders event qualifiers? Now that there are no qualifiers ongoing, the reason for the wait has changed. Interesting.

[spring basin]

That's not how it's ever been since we started the leaderboards. This week, some people aren't even playing their 15 games due to a lack of motivation. All the information is out there, so there's no need to guess

[ashen mango]

I wouldn't be surprised if it temporarily increased queue time especially the one with 10 game min as requirement after a few days

But there are other reasons for increased queue time

Like people not wanting to lose their elo, knowing that the reset will happen soon

[west plume]

I played last night and didn't have any noticeable longer wait times, feels like early morning UTC is lacking players.

[twilit storm]

the last one had 15, matching the weekly requirements for the LB tho.

true @west plume

[sinful hornet]

it's a game that hasnt been patched in how long? with an absolute shit live patch and no wortwhile rewards. i'd be surprised if people wanted to play instead

[twilit storm]

I'm hopeful the imminent patch will revitalize the player base and restore their enthusiasm for the game. @spring basin

[gaunt hull]

how can i download the testnet?

[spring basin]

If you want an easy metric, check the leaderboard tickets. I don't think we've ever had this many top players with fewer than 15 tickets at this point before.

[hot pond]

Some people also just yolo play to get more raffle tickets. I am doing so but slow queues are definitely in my way 😂

[spring basin]

Yeah, the new patch will definitely bring some life into the game. It's better, partly because of the improvements, but also due to the charm of novelty. Still, I'm really concerned about the weekly resets and their impact.

[viral marsh]

we know that new patch should come soon, it's why at lest i'm not play, this meta bored, and i know that patch come before Thursday, so i'm not hurry play my 15/more games. i think other people doing same

[native mauve]

im pretty sure everyone is waiting on the new patch, and would rather practise on testnet than play on mainnet right now to get ready....i had no problems getting games yesterday night....i dont see how weekly resets can reduce the player base, it will definitely give newbies more insentive to play not less also if the top dogs play less that only gives medium and casuals MORE insentive to play even more. Anyway i think there should be 3 leaderboards, weekly, monthly and quarterly then no one can really complain and gives insentive for everyone to play and get their ranking up

or maybe instead of quarterly an all time one or yearly one

[gaunt hull]

hello how can i play on testnet

[mental stone]

You need to ask @zenith mortar to send you an invitation code for testnet

[gaunt hull]

ok thanks much. Can I have access please @zenith mortar for testnet? thank you so much

[west plume]

And the people below top 10?

[spring basin]

Could you explain in what way it would help newbies get an incentive to play?

If it's more than weekly it would change things for the posstive but with the amount of ILV we are giving out atm we don't have enough to spread them.

[native mauve]

I see newbies in here complaining about weekly resets all the time..
It's just discouraging for the to see the top players on 2500 and they struggling to get 1300

With weekly resets they have hope and an incentive to try even though they have 0 chance of getting to the top

[spring basin]

What people are you referring to, and why wouldn't they also want a long term goal? I can't think of a single successful competitive game that uses weekly resets and those games usually cater more to a casual audience than we do. So I'm having a hard time seeing the logic in this.

[native mauve]

That's why people play the lottery

[spring basin]

How would weekly resets change this? They would still end up in the same rank, only diffrence is they would have to play more. How is that good for a casual auidance

[native mauve]

Also people that fall to 900 want to start again fast otherwise they just give up

Coz they will play more isnt that the point instead of giving up

[spring basin]

This is more a matchmaking problem then a reset problem.

Ducktaping something can work short term but it usually creates more harm then good long term

[native mauve]

For sure but we can't have matchmaking right now coz not enough players...and i think we'll see more players on weekly resets...but I think there needs to be two leaderboards at least...I don't see how adding a weekly leaderboard can be a bad thing for the ecosystem as a whole right now....I know it creates problems at the top but that shouldn't be a priority

[spring basin]

It's important to make clear what we are talking about here. Only weekly soft resets or both weekly and long term goals?

Because what's being suggested is only weekly resets, right? At least, that's my impression.

[twilit storm]

We could implement tiered leaderboard rewards based on skill level, such as separate reward pools for Silver, Gold, Platinum, and higher tiers.

[west plume]

From My perspective in the top 70, I could care less about Elo resets.
Your perspective is way different than maybe 90% of the people on the leaderboard.
People dropping below 1200 or lower most likeley just gives up.with resets they can re ingage.

[native mauve]

Same i don't care less about resets it's the newbies down below that need incentive to play and improve

[west plume]

I play because I genuinely think the game is fun.the extra rewards if I get is just a bonus.

[native mauve]

If you get 100 players a week playing 10 more games we'll that's 1000 games already

And 1000 games less likely to feature slicks hollow and foxpspirit lol

[sinful hornet]

and when every single week they keep dropping below 1200 what's gonna happen

[native mauve]

Hope dies last...

Hey it's at least a bump for another month better than nothing and then you'll get new players same again

[sinful hornet]

there are no real new players to target with this game outside of semi decent+ tft players, and they won't have trouble going above 1200

[twilit storm]

If Syndicate will have the opportunity, we could test an event with weekly dynamic leaderboard rewards tiered to player rank. This would strongly incentivize players to engage in ranked matches, giving them a chance to climb to the top of their respective ranks and earn prizes. @zenith mortar wdyt?

[sinful hornet]

what do u mean with that tho cuz u keep saying it but can u give some super in depth of how u structure the prizepool?

how is it different than basically higher rank = higher money basically

[twilit storm]

I'll provide detailed information about this event when and if the team grants me permission to run it.

In my opinion, the current leaderboard heavily favors the very high-end of the player base. Everyone else receives only a fraction of the rewards, which tends to demotivate them from continuing to play.

[native mauve]

Quants should not better than most...does illuvium get a bump from lower players when he starts his grind or not?

[twilit storm]

And..btw..Syndicate event will not interfere with the actual official LB...just saying

[sinful hornet]

ye but that's the thing even for rank 1 the rewards are shit

[west plume]

The way I look at the phase we are in now is to test the game and make it feature complete and as polished as we can before we start marketing outside our bubble.

We need testers on all skill levels.

[sinful hornet]

ye then pay them that's the only way

[spring basin]

This isn’t just affecting the top players, it’s what drives everyone. Almost every game has some kind of progression system. If we start doing weekly resets, we’re taking away a big part of why people play games in the first place.

[sinful hornet]

or just take the feedback from the 10-25~ insane autists who are sometimes playing 12 hours a day of this game

[spring basin]

As I mentioned before, there isn’t a successful competitive game out there to my knoweldege that uses weekly leaderboard resets and there’s a good reason for that.

[west plume]

We also want to cater to the people who can't play 12 hours a day.

[spring basin]

Weekly rests would require you to play more not less

[sinful hornet]

by making them have to play more

[spring basin]

can we start using logic instead of feelings

it would help a lot

[west plume]

I would play the same amount as I do now wouldn't change anything for me, and Iam pretty sure a lot think the same way.

[sinful hornet]

the thing is arena's not really comparable to other games, because the chance of tens of thousands of people geniunely choosing to play this exact game for fun starts with 0.x . the only purpose this game mode can ever have is an esport you attract people into with money and hope they stay in the ecosystem and play the roguelike/mmo if it's good and u make money that way.

[spring basin]

As I told you before we have statics of everything

how your emtions feel doesn't help the game

Here is week 1 compare to week 4

The number of games required to play each week decreases over time. As players achieve higher rankings, lower ranked players earn more points from matches, which in turn reduces the number of games they need to play.

[sinful hornet]

there's an insane amount of suggestions for random changes that sound batshit crazy to anyone who's actually playing the game when the real problem is A. there's no players for the game to function properly no matter what u do. and B. the game is not good enough or doesn't offer something else to attract the players needed.

[spring basin]

Here is the data for the new reset week for top 70 compare to week 3.

So first week it took more to be in the top 100 but slightly more to be in top 70 week 3

[vivid stirrup]

A monthly hard reset is very frequent and I don't think we should go more frequent than that.

Monthly has proven successful by Parallel, otherwise I wouldn't recommend it. in pretty much every other big competitive game it takes way longer than that for resets to happen.

An exception to this would be iregular resets on big gameplay changes like what we see on testnet now.
It makes 0 sense to keep the old ratings on a "new" game.

[spring basin]

Now, with the facts on the table, I want to hear a reasonable and logical explanation of why weekly resets would benefit people no matter if they are top players or more casual

[twilit storm]

As I've said before, I believe this new patch will reignite interest even within our currently reduced player base. I personally know people who stopped playing because the mainnet build was, frankly, horrible.

I strongly urge other organizers to implement some form of ranked match qualification logic during the week leading up to their events. At the very least, this will motivate players to keep playing throughout the week, rather than just waiting for a brief 5-hour event on the weekend.

[safe valve]

i like monthly too.
As you mentioned in other games they usually tend to have longer time periods for resets, and imo it is too long.
I'm stuck in a specific ranking not really improving and the sense of progression with climbing the leaderboard is gone long before the reset.

I can also see the psycological effect impacting casual player to play more after the reset.
However, weekly would likely be too much for any kind of player, pro or casual.
Progression is not really there anymore since the reset is coming right after a couple days of playing.
Feels more luck rng than passionate competing probably.

[violet summit]

I dont think weekly resets are the way to go but I do need to say that the rating system should be revisited
Every once in a while we can have bad games and being out of top4 really hurts

a 5th shouldn't remove points equivalent to 4+ hours of gameplay, its just too harsh

for 'normal players' to climb the LB its really hard because you need to consistently be in top4

[sinful hornet]

it would result in the same ranks but be psychologically better

[native mauve]

So how does the guy sitting at 200 feel or 300? He probably won't play again...im not saying take the lesderboard away just add a weekly one for more excitement and renewal. Don't ask me ask the guys that jump in here asking for weekly resets

[sinful hornet]

but it will inflate scores

[vivid stirrup]

the problem is the playerbase not the rating system I think, if we had 7 players of similar elo in your game, you wouldn't lose so much on 5th

[sinful hornet]

bro that guy is getting 200 or 300 every single week, eventually that guy is gonna quit and he probably didn't even bother playing 100 games, and the value he provided to the game is basically the same as a bot

ye what paz says as well

[west plume]

My point is,at the current state of the game and where we are in development(Beta testing) doing resets or changing things up is just part of the prosess to get where we need to be to open the game up to a broader audience.
Iam not saying Weekley reset should be a thing. But if it brings in people in the short term i think its worth it.

[sinful hornet]

it's gonna make more people quit

[west plume]

Who? The top 10?

[violet summit]

Yeah I understand that but in our current gamestate, I dont expect millions of players to come overnighht, so maybe add some rules to make it more even across the board when you place 5-8

[spring basin]

What is the diffrence compare to say LoL where that guy plays in bronze? This is like a working concept that the entire idustry is following. Shouldn't that mean it's what works the best?

[sinful hornet]

ye, the 10 people who have 50% of the total games played

[native mauve]

I dunno i just like the idea of a weekly leaderboard on top....were in test bets why not test it ? If it doesn't work it doesn't work

Can it really get worse? Lol

[west plume]

Top 10 is the most competetive players we have,if there sre rewards they will be there.imo

[sinful hornet]

sure if they triple the rewards i'll play weekly

[ashen mango]

Let him win he knows the dev! 😱

[sinful hornet]

then u can say "wow weekly was so much better actually"

[west plume]

Lol,i mean big tournemnts those are the fun ones.

To watch i mean

I dont mean to come off as rude,i just think top 10 lens is alot different than the rest. And we need both

[sinful hornet]

the only way u can get bottom feeders is if u're overflowing with top feeders

otherwise u have a dead game

[turbid osprey]

Im not even close to top 10 and i would play quite less if it was reset every week

This would make the leaderboard even more only about grind and i dont have time to play a ton like some others

[native mauve]

I want u to say it

[spring basin]

I'm genuinely worried that weekly resets will have the opposite effect. I think they’ll create worse sentiment, and many people will feel there’s nothing to play for. That’s why I pointed to this week as a good example because people are already playing less since there are new things coming and a reset on the way.

As for your point about making changes to get where we need to be, if we had just followed industry standards from the start, we would have saved both time and money. I don’t see the value in experimenting with things when there are already proven, working concepts available.

[sinful hornet]

i think just the discussion potentially made some people gain sentience on how they're wasting their time for peanuts already

[bronze spire]

keep in mind with a weekly reset you will have the top players in every game since they/we need to grind way more. Right now top players play a reasonable amount but not every game is impossibly to win for lower elo

just another thought

[vivid stirrup]

If I may step into the shoes of a beginner, which is a very important demographic: I download the game, I learn it through bot games and videos, I try ranked, I lose 10 points placing rank 6, I check out the leaderboard, see that I’m rank 200 with 1190, and think to myself—if I keep losing, I’ll drop; if I start winning, I’ll climb.

Now, after 5 days, I’m down to 900. Feels bad.
Two possible scenarios:
Either I know the reset happens in 2 days and I get a fresh shot—but honestly, I’m pretty sure I haven’t improved enough and will end up around 900 again.
Or I know I have 3 more weeks to practice before the next reset and get another chance.

I don’t see either of these scenarios significantly impacting new player behavior. I’d actually say that playing my rating down week after week from 1200 feels rough, and 4 weeks isn’t a long time to wait for a reset.

One thing I would change—something games like WoW Arena changed in similar fashion—is to start everyone at 0 rating. That way, you experience a sense of progression no matter your skill level. You climb up to your true rating (say, 900), instead of dropping down to it from 1200.

All in all, these are small details and likely don’t impact onboarding as much as we think—but I definitely see monthly resets being perceived as “very fast” by every demographic, from noob to pro.

Problem with starting at 0 and having heavy weighted placement games is that people will just create 100 new accounts to try and get the perfect 10 placement wins, instead of grinding their 5-5 account.

[turbid osprey]

Btw you get +0 for 6th if you are at 1200, its hard to lose elo, especially when resets are longer because people are higher elo compared to you

[sinful hornet]

the thing is the amount of players like that u're gonna get are in the hundreds at most lifetime

[native mauve]

The point is not whether good players play or not...I just want to see more people playing the game and for it to grow...just a suggestion guys I really don't care either way but clearly the top players hate the idea of a weekly reset/leaderboard that much is clear

[sinful hornet]

the game is just straight up not made for them until the playerbase is in the tens of thousands so they can face each other

i think u geniunely don't understand how hard it is to learn this game at even a rough decent level for someone who's a complete casual who never played tft or a card game or other games at close to competitive level

geniunely takes 6 months +

[hollow citrus]

I think there's a major information missing from all these points, the difference between a hard reset (everyone set back to 1200 raiting), which we have done when introducing a lot of new features (which will happen once again this next Thursday)

and soft reset (which we want to try weekly) which reduce the gap of rating between players by a %percentage value bringing everyone closer to that 1200 raiting. If you're first, you'll still be first but closer to the raiting of the other players.
Same thing if you're last, you'll be closer to 1200 and have a fighting chance to clim back

[sinful hornet]

the geniunely best way u can keep players like this is by having a playerbase of top players big enough that u can have community tools for data/comp tracking or top player guides so new players can just go into a game and click the units the guide tells them to click and do that for 50 games

[spring basin]

So with all the information on the table. Who does this help and how?

[hollow citrus]

Keeps the leaderboard competitive but I understand how it can upset the top player who will have more competition

[sinful hornet]

the result is the same, more games needed to be played, if that number goes much higher than 15 then it's just the same thing as a hard reset

[bronze spire]

i got someone to play from ravenquest 2 weeks ago (ailblaze) and his now top 100. The new player experience is different for everyone (he did have tft experience)

[sinful hornet]

there is geniunely no competition, u literally can't find a way to change the leaderboard that doesn't result in the same 4 players in top 4 if they choose to play, any change is basically just a: "if i have to play more for the same prizes at this point is it even worth playing?"

[bronze spire]

soft reset is much more reasonable true

[spring basin]

The fact that I'm the rank 1 player shouldn't be relevant in this conversation. What matters are the facts I bring to the table and the strength of my arguments.

[hollow citrus]

I was not speaking about you specifically just generally that it would be more upsetting for the top players (all of them) which will have more competition but ok

[sinful hornet]

ye but that's the thing, there's no competition

the determining factor isn't other players, it's time

[bronze spire]

to be fair the 4th top player changed due to a reset that otherwise wouldnt have. Other top 10 has much more people competing for it. Top 3 is the same and will be again since there arent any players as good that can play 24/7

[spring basin]

So how do you address the fact that time will become the most important factor in who can compete? And how does that benefit the casual player?

[sinful hornet]

literally the biggest problem this game has is that the leaderboard is just straight up grind, the only way this can get fixed is enough players for mmr to work properly so you can't just spam games and perma climb

and we're doing changes for the sake of changes that will do nothing but make the problem bigger

[spring basin]

@hollow citrus Also, what I think is the most negative aspect of the new system is the psychological impact of not playing for any long term progress. What’s your take on this?

[bronze spire]

i think we need to feel how a soft reset feels

we havent had one yet

[sinful hornet]

minimum 15 a week is basically the soft reset

[hollow citrus]

time and skill are the most important factor in all leaderboards, if you grind enough you'll be able to clim to a high ranked, it's just going to take more time than if you're really good. That the same in all game, the only issue here is that we have rewards

[severe steeple]

Maybe the solution is two leaderboards? one, which will never be touched, and a weekly leaderboard.

[vivid stirrup]

Personally I don't play much because time commitment is valued too high currently. If I can't play 100 games a week, I can't compete for a spot that represents my skill level, so I choose not to compete.

But also again, pretty much everything that is wrong at the moment, is due to the small playerbase, and instead of fixing it for now, we might have to live with a sub-optimal leaderboard until we onboard more people

[sinful hornet]

ye but in other games skills is 70%+ and time 30%

in this game time is 95% and skill is 5%

[native mauve]

I think that's a great idea

[vivid stirrup]

The only solution I see for this problem is making it more punishing, meaning if u are 2k rating ahead of your lobby, maybe third place should lose you points instead of just 0 or +1

[sinful hornet]

there is no world where slicks with 0.15+ placement ahead of the other player should be playing the same amount of games to be slightly ahead, that level of skill should be able to basically camp for the whole season outside of decay games

[spring basin]

You're right that this is how the industry standard works. But if we switch to weekly resets, time would carry more weight than skill. You also didn’t address how this would help the casual player, someone who has a job or maybe a family.

[west plume]

I was hopimg that Levithan would be were the real competetive players would flock to(bigger rewards ofcourse)

[sinful hornet]

leviathan's never happening

unless they wanna put bots there too

[bronze spire]

I see it as more about the perception of being able to compete

[sinful hornet]

well or unless ilv just randomly hits 40$

[spring basin]

But they would have to play more. How is that helping them?

[hollow citrus]

if you're a casual players and have a hard time staying or being above 1200 the softreset will give you a boost and a fighting chance. It's a minor adjustment in both direction

[sinful hornet]

but u'll keep going below 1200 every week and quit cuz u're there for money that u're not making

unless the plan is to halve the playerbase so 1000 elo is like top 70

[spring basin]

No it won't because you are stuck in the raiting for a reasson and a soft reset will not help to get you better at the game. It will punnish the ppl who are trying to improve and get better at the game tho

[hollow citrus]

the raiting doesn't affect matchmaking significantly enough currently to have the effect you're talking about

[turbid osprey]

Exactly this. Its already too grindy (because low player base) and now weekly resets just makes it even more about grind

This is not incentivizing any demographic

[native mauve]

That's the whole point to try to get those guys to play more

[sinful hornet]

get 9 women pregnat to have a kid in 1 month logic

if the casuals wanted to play more they already would've

[spring basin]

But the casual players don't have that time?

[bronze spire]

it wont necessarily help them, but they think it will so will be more motivated to play. I guess like a new patch people think they have a new opportunity even though maybe every time they end up similar place

[sinful hornet]

ye this exactly, u're making them play 0 games instead of 10

[bronze spire]

btw i think weekly is too much, though interested to see how a soft reset will feel and curious if im wrong

[sinful hornet]

u're also absolutely removing any guy who has some bi weekly schedule or some stuff where he has a whole week free to put 100 games in then just maintain 15 in the next 2 weeks, now he's not gonna bother

[native mauve]

I think they will...it's those guys that quit...but then see weekly reset Monday and hop back in for a few more games...just like after every reset

[hot pond]

I just had a bot in the lobby called web3tv 😂

[bronze spire]

yea there is that actually, some might go fuck putting in 100 again

[sinful hornet]

i would geniunely make the minimum games below top 5 3 games a week instead of 15 and see if that actually causes people to play more

[bronze spire]

wtf haha actually as bot? or someone renamed

[bronze spire]

i think all of top 5-10 have had to play more than 15 to stay in

[sinful hornet]

ye, for top 10-20 i'd assume i'ts irrelevant, but below i can see that actually raise total games played with people who do exactly 3 a week

[spring basin]

Let’s do a thought experiment.
Dave is a regular guy. He works from 7:00 to 16:00 and has a family. On average, he can play 2–3 games per day. His average placement is 3.75.

Now, imagine there’s a two-month reset cycle. Over time, Dave would steadily climb the ranks because he’s consistently gaining points. Some people would play more and get ahead faster, but the longer the season goes, the more point inflation affects the top players. This, in turn, allows Dave to earn more points and have a better chance of competing. It means he can gradually climb the ladder and stay motivated by improving and seeing real results.

If, instead, there were weekly resets, Dave would never have a chance to catch up or see the progress in his rating, because it would constantly be reset before any real improvement could show.

[safe valve]

i'm curious, is the general meaning from top players (in other games aswell)
To put in some time playing a game and then keep reaping rewards with minimal time effort?
To me this sounds like a failed system.

[sinful hornet]

it's because other games have mmr

so if u can camp the whole season at rank 1 from week 1 it means u're geniunely so good they'd be wasting ur time making u play more

but what happens is those games are actually fun, so the people play it 12 hours a day for 0 rewards because they geniunely enjoy it, arena's not close to that - which is crazy cuz it was way closer on the literal first patch

[viral marsh]

last tournament watch 3 person. xD

[west plume]

Live?

[viral marsh]

yes. even Caveman comment it

[spring basin]

This topic needs to be changed from toplayers to everyone. Because it will effect most of the playerbase in a negative way and not just the top players.

[west plume]

I usually don't watch live because of time zones, but we should do better marketing those.

Was that on Twitch?

[sinful hornet]

to who

[severe steeple]

We should copy the real world. In soccer, there are different leagues and its always a season with reset afterwards. We could make 3 leagues, bronze silver gold. If you reach to 10 in your league you go up.

[sinful hornet]

ur potential viewrerbase are the people that are playing in it

[west plume]

Not marketing as in spend money but to the people in here at least.

[viral marsh]

look around. going Hyper watch 20 person. any video about game? probably 30

[sinful hornet]

ye but who would watch it that geniunely doesn't know about it

[west plume]

Going hyper had like 800 people watch in live on X

[sinful hornet]

5-10 people?

[native mauve]

I think that's the ideal system but we don't have enough players for that. Once we have enough that's the way to go

[sinful hornet]

x viewers are so fake

[viral marsh]

then have translate tournaments on X. not only youtube

[sinful hornet]

it's also displaying total viewers not live

[west plume]

I learn a lot by watching how you guys play, I can't be the only one😆

[sinful hornet]

ye, there's a low double digit amount

and half of them are usually playing in it

[bronze spire]

i agree with this though it could be one of those things where if you have to convince someone its easier to climb now than a reset than its a problem. Kind of like a game feature thats really good but players dont recognise it and if you have to explain it than its not actually good

[viral marsh]

i ussualy watch replays, to look what my opponents doing, while i think about my gameplay

[sinful hornet]

the reality is u solve a lot of this shit by hiding mmr outside grandmaster and just making 1200-1400 silver, 1400-1600 gold, that kind of thing, but this is not a thing until u have thousands of players

can also just say anything below 1200 is still silver cuz fuck it psychology

[safe valve]

hard reset i would agree.

Soft reset to me sounds more like the low end has to put in less effort to climb and the high end has to put in more effort to climb.

[sinful hornet]

soft reset is the same as hard reset functionally

[viral marsh]

is it anyone around official say that it will be weekly reset?
i hear only Nil say we will explain soon

[sinful hornet]

it literally comes down to: are u adding more than the 15 minimum games per week? then u might make people play 0 games in a season instead of 150 first week, 50 2nd week, 15 3-15-4

[west plume]

Not confirmed weekley resets at all, just for this week for the new patch

[viral marsh]

yes, but why then everyone decide it will be weekly reset after this?

[west plume]

Soft reset was mentioned to be a weekly thing

But not hard reset

At least that's my inderstanding

[viral marsh]

soft reset it's like decay? -30% of rating(for example)

[sinful hornet]

ye, it's basically brining u closer to 1200

[west plume]

More to close the cap and move everyone closer to 1200

[sinful hornet]

the higher ur score the higher it takes off probably to make top 5~ within a few games of each other

[viral marsh]

whait. if i got 2600 1st week, and other person 1400, we both come to 1300?

[sinful hornet]

no

[west plume]

Here

#🎮〕illuvium-arena message

[sinful hornet]

u come to maybe 2000/2200, he goes to 1300

[sinful hornet]

but now 1st at 3000 is at 2400/2500~

[spring basin]

Yeah, this problem is caused by not setting a clear and solid standard that explains what would be best for the majority of players. Most people argue about top players versus casual players, but that’s not what’s important here. The main focus should be on the majority of players and what would increase their chances of finding the game fun, addictive, and rewarding, encouraging them to play more and stick with it for a longer period of time.

By enforcing weekly resets, you’re doing the opposite of what a good leader should do. It will only turn players against each other and make it more confusing what the actual best solution is, as we clearly see happening in the chat.

Illuvium really needs to get better at creating a positive sentiment and environment among the player base.

[viral marsh]

but it's not clear at all, i see that should throw us back by % decrise. and info only: "come close to 1200"

[sinful hornet]

have they even thought about removing rewards for 51-100 and putting them into 10-50 btw?

[west plume]

Nothing is set in stone, remember we are here to ship quick and break stuff.

[spring basin]

Lets say everyone lose 50% of their points. How would this benefit dave in the thought experiment.

[safe valve]

not everyone does...
everyone below 1200 gains points

[viral marsh]

ye. top-90 around start rating. probably it some 2nd accounts as well in top-100

[spring basin]

But that's not what I talked about in the thought experiment and that's what you responded to?

[west plume]

This is very much still the plan
From Aaron

#🎮〕illuvium-arena message

[hot pond]

I just had a bot in the lobby called web3tv 😂

[sinful hornet]

like how about we go for solutions that make people actually wanna play instead of solutions that u're hoping are gonna force players to play

[hot pond]

pretty sure it was a bot and took last place

[dull wind]

this is the way. Everyone can identify the problems. What we need is smart solutions.

[west plume]

Question:what would make you play the game if there were no leaderboard rewards?

[sinful hornet]

nothing, that's why my question was about restructuring rewards

[hot pond]

You mean no leaderboard rewards (weekly) or also including fuel drops + raffle tickets?

[sinful hornet]

complete revert to patch A would make me play maybe 10 games a week for fun no rewards, probably not for long

[safe valve]

i'm pretty much as casual as you describe dave, and i would feel incentivized with a weekly soft reset.

And as you mentioned above it's about majority of players.
A thought experiment not excluding half the playerbase might be better suited.

[sinful hornet]

shouldn't exclude the playerbase that wants to play 5 games a week then

[safe valve]

I also think there is no harm done in testing it during the polishing phase.
Can still call people out with the "i told ya" after testing it 😄

[spring basin]

Can you explain with arguments or facts why it would be better? The reason I used the Dave example is because it seems most people are ignoring that part of the player base and turning it into top players versus low-ranked players. So yeah, everyone is important.

[turbid osprey]

Data will be squewed because of the new patch, we cant really get a conclusion from testing it other than the feeling

[sinful hornet]

why do we have decay and minimum requirments weekly AT ALL for people below say rank 20-25 btw?

[safe valve]

sure, read here:
#🎮〕illuvium-arena message

[sinful hornet]

how in the actual fuck can that ever cause people to play more in total

[gloomy mural]

https://tenor.com/view/happy-panda-bamboo-panda-hungry-panda-eating-gif-17804693

[spring basin]

#🎮〕illuvium-arena message I just talked partly about this here and here. You are also wasting time and resources trying to test something that goes against the industry standard, which makes no sense in the situation we are in.

[sinful hornet]

the game is basically asking the casuals right now to actually commit 20 hours every week, and saying sorry, if you can only put in 15 just put in 0 instead don't bother, oh and no you can't put in 100 in week 1 and then sit.

[native mauve]

The why not have 2 leaderboards clearly there are players who want weekly resets and those who don't why not cater to both?

[sinful hornet]

and how do u do that exactly

[native mauve]

Just 2 leaderboards one resets every week the other every month or two whatever

Isn't it worth at least testing?

[sinful hornet]

and how do u do that?

[spring basin]

But that is not correct, it’s just how you feel, not how it actually is.

[sinful hornet]

do u split the reward pool u already have or do u add rewards

[safe valve]

i don't see how it is disincentivizing people if it is easier to climb except for the very top end.
Every week those ahead of you get closer to you and climbing of next rankings seems more in reach i feel.

[sinful hornet]

cuz in case 1 u just made people say fuck it i'm out, and in case 2 u could've just added them on top right now and u'd have increased games instantly

[spring basin]

Do we have rewards that cater to both? As I said before, I think it would be a different story if that were the case.

[spring basin]

I'm explaining just that in the thought experiment #🎮〕illuvium-arena message

[sinful hornet]

also, take 100 ILV from raffle put it in prizes, take 50 ILV from levi put it in prizes, u'll have people playing 12 hours a day for top 10 cuz the rewards are actually worth it

[spring basin]

It wont be easier to climb for anyone under 1200 and that's the biggest problem

[sinful hornet]

but even that is useless, cuz casuals will still not play

[dull wind]

guys weekly soft resets would only work if we had leagues and you couldn't drop below your current league.

[safe valve]

yea and i disagreed
We going in circles it seems.

[west plume]

What do you mean Prizes?

[spring basin]

Well, I’ve explained it with arguments, facts, and numbers and those don’t lie.

[sinful hornet]

increase per rank amount instead of raffle

but this is still pointless end of the day, u'll get more games by a lot but not that many new players

[west plume]

So more payouts to top players?

[sinful hornet]

to all players

spread it evenly

[safe valve]

but it feels like. which makes me play more.
if there are 3 people competing on the leaderboard top 3 one with 5k one with 4k and one with 3k they just camp and don't play, anyways not doable to get ahead in x amount of time
if those 3 people have 1999, 2000, 2001 points. I doubt they would be camping, because next rank is in reach.

You say this asumption would be wrong or do i understand you wrong?

[sinful hornet]

if u can find a way to scale rewards to have rank 1 at like 500$ a week/ 3rd at like 250$ a week, 10th at like 100$ and rank 70 somewhere at 20$ then u probably get a lot of players

or u can just cut prizes even, work on the ranks showing instead of rank, polish the game as much as u can, do the marketing push and have the rewards then and see if it sticks

[frank moon]

it seems it would be a lot easier to remove ranks and rewards for now

[sinful hornet]

end of the day u're gonna have to pay to get people to play the games one way or another

[sinful hornet]

ye i agree

[west plume]

Yeah I like this approach better.

[viral marsh]

remove ranks and close game untill it will be ready?

[spring basin]

No, you’re right about this. But the most important factor in making a successful game is that people should want to play it not feel forced to.

Going back to the Dave example (and I do think he represents a large portion of the player base), these players don’t have extra time to play more. So, it would only demotivate them if they had no chance to progress or compete simply because they can’t play enough which in turn would lead to them to play less.

[sinful hornet]

ye

[west plume]

Have bigger tournement rewards for different rank tiers

[sinful hornet]

they're getting 0 value of paying prizes right now

[native mauve]

We've had about 5 people come into discord asking about weekly resets or when next reset. How many players want the same thing that never come into discord...maybe 20 maybe 50? An extra 10 games a week from them is 200 games shouldn't yhat be the goal to increase game time and players?

[sinful hornet]

but they also don't understand how to make worthwhile prizes

[viral marsh]

i hear about game will be ready soon for 1 year almost

[west plume]

We are getting there, they are shipping a lot quicker

[frank moon]

would remove a lot of the pain. Leave it open for the tough guys that are willing to test it

[viral marsh]

then find 1 game will take 2000-5000+ second. do you stay in que?

[sinful hornet]

why are you having a monthly tournament with 200 ilv pool instead of spreading that on ladder btw?

[dull wind]

no one would test it cause the queue times would be too long.

[sinful hornet]

and raffle obviously doesn't incentivize playing so that's also missalocated

[viral marsh]

most problem is token price. if we was at point of december/november - noone complain about prize-pull

[sinful hornet]

yea

[frank moon]

since when we need a full squad of real players to test out the game? and 2000+ seconds queues are no different than today

[spring basin]

Yeah, I saw one of them complaining that it felt pointless, that it was impossible to earn anything, and that he could never reach the top 100 even though the top 100 only requires around 15 games with an average placement of 6–7.

These are the types of people who blame everything but themselves for being stuck in a rank. It’s either the game’s fault or their teammates. So, I don’t think this group provides the most valuable feedback.

[frank moon]

in bigtime they have a player council grinding test environment for 0$ per day for 8h per day whenever they want. We just need a handful of idiotsdedicated people

[sinful hornet]

what do u even need to test btw

[native mauve]

I think that's the majority of the population lol

[viral marsh]

if you need test - just hire 8-24 players and let them test 8/10 hours daily

[safe valve]

i feel it does.
You can always squeze in one or two more games.
Those steves play casually, they don't spend every free min they have playing, if so they wouldn't be steve.
But feeling next rankings are more in reach might let them play a couple more games a week, here and there when they have spare time, instead of watching episode 42069 of one piece

[frank moon]

don't hire them, let kieran speak to them and they will come for free

might even come over and do your lawn

[west plume]

I ll do it for free😀

[frank moon]

there we go

[viral marsh]

for 8 hours every day?

[sinful hornet]

but that's exactly what i'm saying, u cut off all these players from ur game with the 15 minimum games

[west plume]

Lol no

[frank moon]

stop crying you slackers who wants to get slapped for 8 hours per day in return of nothing?

we will give you a special NFT at some point in time!

[west plume]

I can give a decent 2-3 hours a day

[frank moon]

good enough

[west plume]

Like before rewards became a thing

[safe valve]

then might need to change that aswell.
can't remember why this rule got implemented tbh 😄

[viral marsh]

and we call them, brave moderator-tester team, there we go

[sinful hornet]

and we also need to not be delusional here and realize u don't have geniuine players here, for like 95% of them this is just a money farm, including new players

[frank moon]

thats the thing. Rewards poison the entire community. I've seen it over and over again. Before rewards people play for fun and test the game. Rewards come in and people cry all fucking day about money and time they spend

[frank moon]

we got a title, we're getting there so fast

[dull wind]

apparently its on the basis of "We are giving money away for free, if players want the rewards, they should sweat for them"

[viral marsh]

we play x2-5 less. and play mostly to prepare for tournaments

[frank moon]

anyone else in here wants to actually provide some value instead of riding his keyboard all day in discord without results?

if we get leviathan this patch we probably have winnie available for 18 hours per day without questions

[severe steeple]

where should all the money come from, if we not use our owned illuvials. I have stopped buying Illuvials because who knows if we'll ever need them.

[viral marsh]

but it's more fun talk about it, while we whait new patch come to us

[viral marsh]

and still not 1st on LB

[sinful hornet]

KEKW

[frank moon]

what a ~~loser ~~hero

[safe valve]

for real?
Sounds like a strange reasoning, and questionable if more games are played in general.

[west plume]

On Levithan?

[viral marsh]

coz i'l play more

[spring basin]

Well, the majority of the population isn’t in leading positions where they make decisions aimed at doing what’s best for everyone. Someone with more experience and knowledge has a higher chance of making a better decision for everyone if that is their goal. That doesn’t mean their opinions don’t matter, but it would most likely lead to better outcomes for most people if someone with more experience and knowledge had greater influence over the direction being taken.

[viral marsh]

Leviathan at current state, when most competitive players have +- around same deck, it's just other ranked gauntlet.

[sinful hornet]

does the team have an actual goal with arena or is it just" fuck it boys we're gonna do tft better than tft and have millions of players"

[viral marsh]

but it's not much new things should come to us. i think we around final version of game - no?

[hot pond]

I still think gauntlet is not fit for leviathan. If i have a super OP rhamphyre I bought for 3k usd I wanna be able to use it every game and not if the bugged shop rng gives it to me every 10 games or so

[bronze spire]

make best game they can and target mid to low level TFT streamers is one plan. I assume crypto players too just by default with earnings

[sinful hornet]

ye i don't mean development plan, i mean did they do this conciously as a funnel to mmo or do they geniunely believe this game can make a profit

[viral marsh]

it's why better buy x2 lynx

[frank moon]

After mobile the team will arrange plane tickets for kieran to visit manilla, Caracas and Nigeria (with Hoskinson) to absolutely bring in millions.

[hot pond]

maybe i should buy grilla too then

[west plume]

What I would love to see is in-game tournaments where you can have the option to start a lobby and have a buy-in of, say, 500 fuel or eth silv2 etc. The top three in the money, anyone could spectate, and you could have it gated for rank 1200-1300.

[viral marsh]

i try not think about it, when they put ranked over leviathan. in past year we see our future in game. now I go with the flow detachedly

[ashen mango]

I'm not sure about that, I assume that the biggest grinders who aren't in the top 20 grind partly due to the raffle tickets

[viral marsh]

2 lynx best unit for 3rd - 20th round

[severe steeple]

maybe he is already there. I haven't heard from him a long time

[viral marsh]

4 raffles, and top grinders win nothing

[dull wind]

I would also like to see that. Like a sit-n-go.

[west plume]

Yeah, anyone could make a lobby.

[hot pond]

with top grinders you mean most tickets or highest rank?

[dull wind]

there could be official lobbies opened, just like in poker.

[viral marsh]

only 0xMuhh win something. most attempt players

[sinful hornet]

games, he said below top 20

[hot pond]

I won in the first raffle too. It was only 5th place tho 😄

[west plume]

With sponsored prizes from Illuvium.in fuel or win a battle pass etc.

[frank moon]

we can also organize a big dinner with kieran for the top 20 players

[safe valve]

https://tenor.com/view/money-rain-gif-20569896

[viral marsh]

but do you have most played games to this raffle? coz i look and some people with 20-50-60 games win ussualy it

[sinful hornet]

i already spent all my money on the trump dinner

[hot pond]

not most but i was in top 10 of tickets i would say

[dull wind]

this to me would be what makes most sense for gauntlet mode since it's an 8-man competition.

[sinful hornet]

ye but those need thousands of active players at a minimum

literally every single problem we have is lack of players

[severe steeple]

we need Elon playing it on his airplane to test starlink

[sinful hornet]

and the solutions proposed i can't say are player friendly

[dull wind]

maybe it's time we push mobile

[safe valve]

https://tenor.com/view/dicaprio-maybe-gif-20413224

[west plume]

https://tenor.com/view/salt-n-pepa-push-it-real-good-hip-hop-rap-80s-gif-16181344

[hot pond]

Push it in council

[dull wind]

https://tenor.com/view/push-gif-5358918

[west plume]

Need translation to all the Asian countries aswell

[sinful hornet]

i mean u really don't wanna push it before it's actually good

worst thing u can do is have it be fucked and pushed

[frank moon]

but this is how we roll

[summer frigate]

The top 20 players are going to participate in the tournament or top 16 ?

[dull wind]

well we better help the team making the game actually good then

[west plume]

Could be gated for any rank

Like 1000-1100

Or 2000-2500

[summer frigate]

?

[severe steeple]

we need a translation even for native english speaker! idk why we make the language so difficult?

[sinful hornet]

ye i don't mean the game, i mean the mobile client

[dull wind]

if you're talking about the Last Ranger Standing II tournament then:

[west plume]

Read further up it was just an idea for tournament setups and what could be done

[sinful hornet]

you can never gate rewards unless they're not worthwhile

[ashen mango]

That's the biggest argument against Web3 games
Money doesn't add an incentive on top of fun, it replaces it

[west plume]

Why not?

[summer frigate]

Sit and go ?

[sinful hornet]

cuz the smurfs are gonna play at lower levels

[dull wind]

that was just an idea we we're throwing around

[ashen mango]

Do we know if the snapshot will still be taken the 5th?
Rich talked about posponing the tournament so they could postpone the snapshot as well

[dull wind]

he should do an announcement about that. I dunno as well.

[summer frigate]

That’s a good idea, so we can have it with the new patch

Let us practice for one week

[hot pond]

So what we know for certain as of now is that there will be a hard reset to 1200 happening at this thursday snapshot?

[summer frigate]

And make the tournament

[viral marsh]

if they delay patch, probably not

[spring basin]

Yeah, that’s a cool idea. I used to play another game crypto atuchess game called CyberTitans, and they had a system like that. We could also include a small fee to generate some revenue from it.