🎮〕illuvium-arena

[glacial shell]

Oh i see, OP is a percentage multiplier of the number. Thanks!

[alpine dagger]

Jotun keeps using his omega on dead targets for a month already

[summer frigate]

Will the next patch include the missing illuvials?

[topaz lake]

No

[summer frigate]

I have one more question: Is the anti-heal augment working against the verdant healing passive?

[topaz lake]

Yes, it's against all healing sources

[summer frigate]

Cool, thanks

[cyan olive]

so health regen=healing?

[topaz lake]

Yes, you can think of it as passive healing source. If you gain a buff of extra healing (say 10% and your health regen is 100, then the total will be 110).

Health regen is per second. So you gain 100 health in 1s, but split into 10 health/0.1s

[alpine dagger]

Ofc it is , its not energy gain or smth , its HP regain

[topaz lake]

While an instant heal (say 100 per second) only triggers when that 1s mark is reached.

[edgy flower]

if you can share to us wen patch, like next week or 2 or 3? im open the gate to hell and now its same infinite behemot mirrors D :

[topaz lake]

Next week (late) or the week after (early-mid).

[edgy flower]

thx for answer ❤️

[sacred finch]

Are the missing illuvials coming before the open beta? people probably are going to find some broken comps when they arrive

[topaz lake]

Most likely, yes. In any case, we'll be able to push hotfixes faster in the near future, in case of anything.

[vivid stirrup]

then we gotta catch a jotun first 😄 gotta be interesting how pvp arena will look like with only your own illuvials.

[cyan olive]

4 shock pog

[vivid stirrup]

do you know if we will get something like a training mode where we can test all illuvials and test decks of illuvials that we dont actually own? to kinda plan what we wanna catch

[cyan olive]

we have that, it is called survival

[vivid stirrup]

yeah kinda, but right now you cant bring your decks. guess that will change with ob

[edgy flower]

you mean 7 shock? 😄

[alpine dagger]

What was the site for tracking your match history in arena?

[edgy flower]

ofc no, i want to test me decks without some1 steal it, i cant do it in survival

[topaz lake]

Not sure at the moment, we'll see.

[cyan olive]

I´d like being able to play custom vs myself on 2nd acc with no time limit

so I can make my turns xd

playing vs myself in HS was easy, as you didn´t play same time

[edgy flower]

i need a sandbox for testing, not second client of game that will crush my pc

[vivid stirrup]

i think i remember someone from the team talking about sandbox most likely coming at some point

in an ama or something

[lucid imp]

can someone plz share a hyperchart?

[twilit storm]

#🎮〕illuvium-arena message

@lucid imp

[lucid imp]

isnt there a better and bigger one? i remember having seen one, with like 2 pages and every info

[arctic pumice]

@edgy flower is a creative genius. Great meta deck find! 🙂

[twilit storm]

@edgy flower is called the off-meta God for a reason 😉

@lucid imp this is more simple than 2 pages

[lucid imp]

sure, it is, but it also is not as self explaining as the other one 🙂 - especially if i wanna explain it to others

[ebon pagoda]

have we got the arena reward for week 3 ?

[edgy flower]

Pinned message

[ebon pagoda]

thx, how many eligible for rewards?

[edgy flower]

1000 minus non eligible

[ebon pagoda]

yea whats the net

[edgy flower]

You can count by yourself I have no idea xd

[ebon pagoda]

lol i was hoping not to count

[haughty lintel]

180

[ebon pagoda]

tyvm

[edgy bough]

ouch thats pretty rough

[west quartz]

Does the legendary augment that gives hp regen and deals damage in aoe based on unit’s hp regen takes the verdant proc aswell into account ?

[topaz lake]

No, Verdant does not buff the Health Regeneration stat. Verdant has an instant Heal, and a zone that is Heal Over Time.

The damage from LifeStorm is based on the Health Regeneration stat. As an example, the old Bloom was taken into account, since the 3rd bonus was a Buff to Health Regen.

[west quartz]

Ty 😊

[fair lintel]

We would like to see a mode where when finding the game will randomise two mirror decks (possibly larger) and in the course of the match you have to figure out how best to play, here skill will play a major role, will not get a guide to arrange everything 😁

[grand bluff]

Arena disconnection happening often again :- ( Anyone facing the same case?

[grand bluff]

But I can play Dota just fine?

Umm...

Then why not on an autochess game which requires less real-time interactions :'-)?

Do what?

[west quartz]

gonna stream some verdant behemoth grind on smurfs if some wonder how it's going 🙂

[worn tree]

Out of the box idea. Imagine a game mode in which you could actually command the ranger? I know this changes the target audience of players, but hey. Something different just popped up in my head

[worn thicket]

Would definitely be a cool idea and I think could give for a cool game

[vernal forum]

game is simple... play @edgy flower 's deck = win, play anything else = lose

[edgy flower]

Not that simple, I played it and lost xd

[west quartz]

imagine being able to make a team as an nft an no one can then use it unless you sell it to them 👀

a Team blueprint so to speak

[edgy flower]

Yeah, then some1 will switch 1 aug from 40 to 30 cost and ez copy it

[west quartz]

Well you Bp them all once you think of a team

So that they have to change it so much it’s no longer viable or at least not as strong

On your team not being able to use the 10 cost sword fucks up your r1 r3 and r4

[proven coral]

Not true, played again a steam invoker build that beats it

[west quartz]

what team/elo ?

[edgy flower]

then take 1st place with vokers, coz all play my verdant behemoth

[silver merlin]

where can i see the leaderboard?

[west quartz]

https://play.illuvium.io/arena/leaderboard?activeTab=ascendant

[turbid osprey]

https://play.illuvium.io/arena/leaderboard?activeTab=ascendant

[silver merlin]

1372 cap for top 1000

[bronze spire]

@dark scaffold illuvimasters doesnt seem to be picking up all the games. Do you know if it doesnt show the game if it still counts to the 15? or is it relieable to count your games

[dark scaffold]

No idea tbh 🤷, that would be a question to the illuvialmaster crew, if it doesn't count some of your games maybe report it to them, maybe some bug in their code 👀

[polar willow]

what is the last day of this week for the rewards? does it reset on monday?

[west quartz]

Reset on Thursday at 01 am for me

Count that you have up to Wednesday evening to grind (European time)

[worldly jolt]

This tells you when #🎮〕illuvium-arena message

It’s pinned in here.

There’s also a discord EVENT that indicates when the snapshot is

[hoary mason]

so revenants are viable.... 👀

[trail edge]

Yeah they kinda are I think.

Maybe not in the current meta though.

[spring marsh]

@nocturne finch can you check DM bro. Want to get your deck if possible 😉

[inland tide]

Morning y’all

[slender palm]

How to fix the game cant find match and the cancel button is greyed out

[worldly jolt]

That’s the big bug right now.

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Hey guys, we are collecting information on all users affected by session not being closed for them from before the patch.
If you are trying to find a match and you see "Cancel" button greyed out, please make a bug report from inside the game by clicking "B" and title it "Stuck in a ghost session"

[worldly jolt]

Someone did say that if you press the BACK button in the top left it might make something work. 🤷

[summer frigate]

Wen are we going to have the option to see at our match history ? illuvialmaster is not accurate 🥲

[slender palm]

already reported but When I press the Back Button it stuck on on Loading Screen

[worldly jolt]

I was pretty suspicious about that actually working. Oh well.

[reef basalt]

P

[autumn olive]

I just came. Does this game have a library where we can use the specified powers?

Enemies have specified powers

For example, who is the enemy of nature?

[drifting flax]

im not able to find a game either

[iron kayak]

@dark scaffold are you the one to ask for the ghost account problem?

Can you help @drifting flax ?

[dark scaffold]

its a manual process to close those sessions, and we have to collect users data to do so, whoever is impacted by it has to create report using in-game reporter ("B") while in ranked que and and his "Cancel" button is visible and greyed out

[sand tusk]

Thanks, is the week 3 list of rewarded rangers out yet please ?

[drifting flax]

ok thanks i put in a support thing on the website but ill go do this aswell thanks

[fallow basalt]

hi, when does the snapshot take place each week?

[polar willow]

what are the best decks u guys using at the moment? i just see verdant decks with jolt and then psion decks

[lavish orchid]

when is the next leaderboard?

[woeful cosmos]

Hi had a question about que times. Do we know if the matchmaking will see some changes in the upcoming patch to reduce this?

[high snow]

How long are you in the queue? I've only had longer queue times since reaching 1700+.

[worldly jolt]

Yeah. #🎮〕illuvium-arena message
Check the pins when you want to find these lists in the future.

[worldly jolt]

See the EVENTS and see the PINS

#🎮〕illuvium-arena message

[lament frigate]

It is incredible how micro placements decide over winning or losing in these mirror matches.
I hope/pray this new game mode Aaron pitched to Kieran (he's so excited about it) will bring more life back into the arena.
Cause, like this, it's far from funny watching your Illuvials fight the enemy, and the enemy wins cause the path of your team has been worse than theirs.
That's far from making fun.

[worldly jolt]

It feels worse still when you refuse to play the mirror game. So you just lose.

[lament frigate]

Don't get me wrong here, I love playing it even if I get pretty annoyed sometimes from specific match outcomes (due to the described above), but the main goal should be, in my personal opinion, not to make an arena only for full-time pro players who know precisely every micro placement.

[vernal forum]

This game is absolutely brutal right now because it's nearly impossible for anyone to look at the behemoth mirror setup and actually determine which side will win at any point in the round; because it's random. Which behemoth will crit or stun or path around aimlessly for 10 seconds before deciding to attack the furthest possible unit? The randomness introduced with this overpowered behemoth and bugged baby lynx is just not fun (for me). Once again the top of the leaderboard is whoever was on when this new build dropped and those players got to use it before it became a 50/50 coin flip that everyone plays. Those accounts will not be played again and will take the top spots unless a new build is found that counters this one - and whoever is looking for that build can enjoy losing 90% of their matches until they find something that works. These "stuck" metas are so bad/boring/unplayable for me. Some people presumably enjoy this, but those people should be in a straightjacket and legally prevented from procreation. /rant

[lament frigate]

Is there at least some communication/knowledge about when this new arena mode will be launched with PB4, or do we still need to wait another four weeks or more?
It is even more frustrating that nobody knows how long this unfunny game style will continue.

If it had been launched already yesterday, that would have been amazing. It obviously hasn't!

After a week of break, coming back and playing around ten rounds, I lost motivation to play any further since it's not just the same thing repeatedly (micro placements deciding factor) but also almost solely the same players/smurfs.

I hope this is addressed by the team sooner rather than later - it needs to be a high priority to change it before we launch into Open Beta regarding Arena!
#PersonalOpinion

Last but not least, I cannot wait to play the new Overworld with its Illuvials freely roaming around and a changed arena mood, which will also have its weaknesses, but it's always a work in progress.
Still, I'm sure the team is taking all the feedback from the community and doing their best to deliver a great experience with their new arena concept!
Keep rocking, guys/girls!

[cursive echo]

@edgy flower thank you I had forgotten the power of sear

[west quartz]

I have yet to see it work past 3rd round

[civic grotto]

Speaking of smurfs, let's not forget arena rewards system that is so stupid right now, that there is a guy who has 8 accounts in top 100. That ILV that should have been ours is being transferred to tournaments pool, as far as I heard. Tournament that we will have to participate to aquire ILV that should have been ours in the first place. Rant over.

[west quartz]

I think they said that next patch will fix this in the post patate made

[lament frigate]

I care less about these rewards than the fact that newcomers right now are almost immediately pushed away even with a meta deck since there are so many smurfs in lower elos (lower point brackets) that they almost play against these much more experienced players.
What is far from a fun and immersive experience that you need to give newcomers so we can achieve a higher retention rate - which should be our top priority!
These rewards, in the end, do not decide over success for failure; what indeed will, in my opinion, if the arena becomes as competitive as Overworld regarding a fun experience since that's one of the core motivations for grinding Overworld to beat others in the arena right after you made an effort to build out a strong team in the Overworld, to play right after in a fun matter in the arena.

[west quartz]

I think I recall some official from the team saying they were maybe going to change the system so when you start on a fresh account you need to play a few games before going in ranked so that should fix this since they’ll play against new comers

But I doubt you can ever stop people from making smurf accounts

Also rn smurfs are an issue because the player base still needs to grow, once you have like 10 smurfs for 1000 normal players it won’t feel as bad as rn

[lament frigate]

As long as the player base is sufficient, you won't be stuck in the "normal queue" (like with casual games at the moment). It should help to avoid that feeling of being hit into your face right from the beginning of playing your first games.

[west quartz]

Another solution would be you start your account at 0 rating

And you have to rank all the way up

People would be less incentivized to Smurf because it will take a loooong time to get back to top 100

And anyone smurfing would quickly get out of the elo hell so newcomers would be facing each other until they understand the game well enough to escape the 0-300 rating

[lament frigate]

The problem I see with that is that the climbing is quite challenging when you get 10-20 points every round, which takes you quite a while to get anywhere (after you have played placement games).

[west quartz]

If the team ever plan on doing this please let us know ahead of time so we have enough time to make a bunch of smurfs 😂

[west quartz]

That’s the point, a smurf would go 4-1 or 5-0 in placement games

So he would escape this instantly

The beginners would be stuck in this until they learn the game enough to climb

I don’t know how games are played in the 0-300 elo but I assume playing on curve while using propper synergies should be enough to win streak out of it, so once you’ve got the basics you’d escape it easily

Maybe doubling the rating win/loss for people below 500 elo would be relevant

[cyan olive]

let´s look at e.g. league of legends, about +-20 lp/game, if you have 60% winrate, which is high argubly, you win 6/10, so +40 in 10 games, which take aprox 300min, so 5h, a division is 100lp, gold 4->emerald 4 is 400 lp as far as I know, so 50h for those 400, iron->brone->silver->gold->emerald->plat->diamond, seems like a long route in terms of time compared to ILV atm, as we have 2400 + promotion series between 0 and diamond, which isn´t the end of the system, but the end of the divison lp thing

also re any ranked gains/loses etc. in the end you play in the same system as others, if getting points is easier for you, so it is for others, so you´d need to gain more again

[plucky sigil]

the problem just now its people new cannt play the game because everybody know how to play

there r just 30 or 40 players playing and all are smurfs

if u came newbie with your homemade deck u will be hummilate for all the predecks

no diferents decks, no diferent people

[west quartz]

I only meant doubling the elo won/loss on the 0-500 elo bracket in the hypothesis that any fresh account would start at 0 elo, so that smurfs would get out quickly, beginners would be stuck while learning the game then once they understood the basics and start winning streaking they’d quickly escape this too

[plucky sigil]

al smurfs playing the same 3 or 4 decks

copy and paste decks

[cyan olive]

yeah nothing against that, just wanted to show, that some of the ideas for ranked or w.e. aren´t very normal/possible to do

as far as I am aware

[supple beacon]

With the current meta, it feels like the game is not designed for 8 melee. The pathing are understandable, but they are still really weird and sometimes impossible to predict.

[cyan olive]

current meta is the lowest agency one so far I think, part of it is that avg gold player is better now and aware of wall off etc. though so kinda low skill ceiling

in e.g. enchanter mirror hyper and small stuff like stun timings and how many units att ones for those was relevant, none of that matters enough in the wall of mirrors sadly

what makes it even worse is that turn 1-2 positionig aren´t commiting anything relevant for later, so first "agency" turn would be 4 after you swing enough hp for one player to be at 1 life sometimes

[odd wren]

People want to know why players with top accounts have smurf? There is a lack of 1800s playing which means it sucks to play on a high rank account. Long queue times and risk-reward that isn't worth it.

I started the day at 1937 and went 3-1. Guess how many points I won? Lost 2. I ended 9-5 and lost 72 points. (Opponents ranged from 1500 to 1850) I would need an 80% WR to break even against 1650-1700 😂

Once I'm done with my 15 games, there's no way I'm playing on that account until my smurf passes it. And if smurfs become ineligble for rewards I would just play some customs and prepare for next week. Overall I would play less. I guess more players would help but smurfs counting for leaderboard are needed, just needs to pass reward down as for inactive accounts (which are worst)

[little quail]

This week not funny ZzZZzZzZzz Everyone is playing with the same deck

[bronze spire]

if you feel bad about that my brother last week was rank 1, 2000 rating, with 12 wins 1 loss. He than lost the last 2 games to silvers and was down 100 rating overall haha

[odd wren]

I'm not saying my situation is worst or anything. It was just an exemple. That ☝️ is pretty bad.

[bronze spire]

Yea was just adding another example haha

Will be interesting to see what changes they make

[silver merlin]

I hope a reset soon, not possible to climb this way

[cyan olive]

1-2 weeks after any reset it will be the same again, in any decent agency meta some people, likely same as before will be at the top end again

Atm it is rather difficult to climb because there is barely any agency and at the top end you play vs far lower ranked people most of the time, so you need 70-80% winrate, or more, but can’t have that in the current matchups

If you „can’t climb“ while below 1700 it is on you not the system/meta

[cursive echo]

I made the biggest mistake trying several new teams 'I lost 100 matches 😢

[granite osprey]

this game is copy strong deck.not make my deck.not TFT

need screenshot

[crystal aurora]

Would it be better to have a fix points like +25 if W -25 if L hmm

sometimes i also dont wanna play more cause im facing lower mmr, then its not rewarding at all, gaining +8 if you win and -30 if you lost LOL

[wicked cloak]

do illuvials have a base crit chance?

[turbid osprey]

Top players would have 10000+ elo if it were like that

[turbid osprey]

25%

[turbid osprey]

and most players have under 50% winrate to they would all go to 0 elo

[crystal aurora]

Yeah, your right. Maybe adjusting the percentage so that it will feel balanced, +8 for a win and -30 for a lose is not fun at all

[hardy minnow]

Going to stream arena on facebook, it will be my first day as illuvium creator, wish me luck 😍 hoping to bring more players in

[hot pond]

Can we expect to have the match history alongside replay feature to rewatch previous fights in open beta? Is that something planned ?

[cyan olive]

I only play customs to test teams, would be down 1000 elo otherwise

[karmic pilot]

Hey

Who knows the top builds for the arena?

[vivid stirrup]

bigger player base is gonna correct that problem 👍

[vivid stirrup]

i have a list of the best meta teams in all my youtube videos description! 🙂

[karmic pilot]

In which video 🤔

[vivid stirrup]

my newest video will always have the newest deck links in it

[lavish orchid]

still waiting

for a match

50 minutes 🥲

[worldly jolt]

Do you have a BACK button at the top left? Or a CANCEL button? Is the cancel button greyed out and does it not let you click it?

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Hey guys, we are collecting information on all users affected by session not being closed for them from before the patch.
If you are trying to find a match and you see "Cancel" button greyed out, please make a bug report from inside the game by clicking "B" and title it "Stuck in a ghost session"

[lavish orchid]

i send now a bug report

[lament frigate]

Wen new arena.

[cyan olive]

for the top few people in any game this is just how it is, if they are paired vs lower mmr opponents, difference in a small game like ILV atm and ones with millions is that this isn´t just reality for the top 10 or so players but far more players as there are fewer people at comparable skill levels going into the higher ranks on the ladder, so far more likely to get uneven matches even if you aren´t in the top few players range, but in some top 100-500 or so already

[vague karma]

the emote spam thing is the only reason i don't like to lose xD

[west quartz]

will it include new game mode or just a balance patch ?

[topaz lake]

just balance and some new changes

[west quartz]

ty 🙂

[karmic pilot]

Oh great 😄

[edgy flower]

I just hope the team will manage to balance things fine, not to infinite mirrors, but to keep a few decent decks

[cyan olive]

we´d need playable arcanite for that

but then silver and lower will be farmed by that again

and complain

[cursive echo]

arcanite ❤️

[cyan olive]

I mean the above in a serious way, arcanite units kinda farm low elo players, as bird e.g. was a check for if enemy team has enough dmg/tank stats, so unoptimized teams just lost aka low elo teams

snake is check for enough defense, if it would be a bit better it should giga farm the X-units stacking in verdant fields etc., but again low elo would be farmed by that because they prob don´t know to spread out etc.

[supple beacon]

We need dmg dealers to be buff overall, so that the meta won't be shield/healing/resistance

[west quartz]

yup

said it minutes after reading the last big patch note

[supple beacon]

And perma overtime

[west quartz]

arcanite nerf, berserk nerf, slayer nerf, inferno nerf, invokers nerf. And then nerfed again with the overall augments nerf.

👀

well the team is cooking a new balance so we might have some buffs in the next 2 weeks

[green helm]

Hello, how much rating do you have to have to enter the top 1000? When and where do they announce that the rewards are distributed?

[vivid stirrup]

you can check your ranking here:
https://play.illuvium.io/arena/leaderboard?activeTab=ascendant

the rewards are announced and pinned in this chat. 📌

[plucky sigil]

how can u check gamers profile? i wanna copy a team 😦

[vivid stirrup]

is not public, they have to share it with you. but u can always take a screenshot /record of their team in-game and rebuild it manually.

make sure to check the dominant affinities if you wanna copy it 1:1

[plucky sigil]

ah ok i thought it was public, i dont know how to make a good team yet 😦

[green helm]

ty, What day are rewards paid? 29?

[vivid stirrup]

u can go to my youtube channel (it's in my discord bio) and there is some recent team guide videos and streams to help you out! for example colossus berserkers. the link to import the teams is in the description.

[vivid stirrup]

there is no fixed shedule for when they are payed. but feel free to check 📌 and see when they got payed the last weeks. then you can make an assumption when it's gonna be this week ^^

[plucky sigil]

yes i know your yt channel, i have some of your teams, but i cannt win the 7 psion teams with any of your team

so i will wait for your 7 psion team in your yt channel 🙂

[vivid stirrup]

7 psion you play jotun verdant or berserker verdant but transition into rhamphyre 4-5

[cyan olive]

any team, that has rhamphyre+ charge capacitor (+32 starting energy) on it + synergetic field(+20 starting energy to teammates) on someone else + ranger with fire psion weapon, while rhampyhre is rogue+ void sash ranger suit and prob any other augment on rhampyre will beat 7 psion

[cyan olive]

yeah, mainly aoe dmg dealers I think, single target is fine once you have 2 units or upgraded ranger, but arcanite does nothing nowadays, invoker does nothing etc.

on another note, I think lots of stuff would be viable if you could make it to turn 5 without the transition/different early game .... stuff, pretty much every team outside of berserker colossus, which prob only works due to lynx, was big unit+ ranger + cheap tanks/heal as a team

[lavish orchid]

still can t play🥲🥲

[green helm]

what is resolve and grit?what is it for?

[turbid osprey]

That is flat dmg reduction. Resolve being energy dmg reduction and grit being physical

Flat means that its not affected by the resistances, 5 resolve is simply -5 energy dmg per hit

[green helm]

Ty ; and cumsy?

Clumsy

[turbid osprey]

Units cannot dodge when in a clumsy state

[worldly jolt]

Do you have a ticket number from support? If you don’t then you may want to consider Contacting #❓❓〕support through the website. Look for HELP(?) in the top menu.

[cursive echo]

1700 elo'Yesterday I stopped playing the meta... I tried several team slayer templar vanguard invoker 'arcanite now I'm at 1300 elo conclusion'I won't do deck building anymore, I will take your deck every time @cyan olive

[cyan olive]

I have couple build and tryed, 2 more new ideas I test tmr

so far none work, some are okay though

mostly same wall of coinflip if meele vs meele

[cursive echo]

Tomorrow will you show us live?👀

[cyan olive]

if they work and after I play games on my acc prob

the ones that got close I can stream

[cursive echo]

I need to climb the rankings 'without coinflip

[summer frigate]

Two of the top three accounts are inactive this week, and players who deserve those rewards for playing the 15 games won't get them. What a shame.

[reef basalt]

Theres a fix happening soon. Labs will issue out a statement on this when its ready. But its coming is whats been communicated to the IMC.

[azure wigeon]

whats the DAU now?

[azure wigeon]

another game reset is always hard reset

why we soft reset

[fallen vortex]

I got thinking about how Kieran said the gdd for a tft illuvium is still incomplete. And I was wondering if its worth me writing an iip that would tell the dao to reveal a gdd before something goes into production.

The ability to give feedback on that part of the development process is important imo.

Who Would be in favour?

@worn thicket @vernal forum @azure wigeon you guys are particularly critical on the Arena. Thoughts?

Im no pro player or game dev so idk if it would help

[azure wigeon]

how can we help?

[fallen vortex]

No I was just wondering if you guys thought it would be a beneficial iip

Or if it would actually hamper the overall process and lead to worse results

Too many cooks in the kitchen and all that

[native pasture]

i hear theres play to airdrop ?

[bronze spire]

Just ILV rewards for arena atm (can be very good). I think i heard they are planning on other forms of play to air drop but nothing offical

[turbid osprey]

@fallen vortex i think it could just delay things and we are are all eager to test the new game mode(s). Its like like they decide on a new game its just game modes of arena and we are in beta so we are there to test.

Also we are not game designers, let the team design first and then we test

[uncut comet]

@turbid osprey why your illuvials came so much later dont get it

[turbid osprey]

The path i did behind adorius was only fitting one at a time and pretty tight so everytime someone is just close others are blocked for 1-2s then other comes, other are blocked etc

yesterday i had monkier run 14s before he reached someone, its my record ahah

[uncut comet]

oh haha i guess u bring this to another level but good to know thanks 🙂

[edgy flower]

Good to know, bad to play : (

[sacred finch]

the game is almost a tower defense now, make the units walk for the longest path 🤪

[turbid osprey]

literally is ahaha

[hot pond]

Create the adorius bottleneck

[cyan olive]

only 2, idk how but guess climbed a lot, wonder what his secret is

[edgy bough]

Great question!

[uncut comet]

a big big resistance to not destroy his computer and keyboard ^^

[twilit storm]

@azure wigeon with or without bots..ehm...inactive players?

[worn thicket]

Similar processes have been tried in the past. And multiple times it has been asked to include the experienced players of our community in the game design discussion to save production time.

Consensus has always been: trust team, they know better.

What changed?

@fallen vortex

[worn thicket]

Well considering only 180-ish people were eligible for rewards last week... that gives a kind of range...
I'd be surprised if 300 different people plaied last week.

[azure wigeon]

i dont know did i get the prize or not

top 500

[lavish orchid]

#21704

[wispy stream]

is there a way to add friends?

[vernal forum]

I believe the game needs balance. Regular balance that improves the state of play overall. We have yet to see that. We get one massive patch every 6 weeks that's way too large and tries to do too much and is too infrequent and is dropped with clearly OP stuff and clearly UP stuff andandandandand. Smaller patches that are more regular (either every week or every other week) would keep the game fresh and interesting for players. But, the people in charge of balance need to stop with this blatantly OP stuff. It's not necessary and hurts the game. If a person were incapable of reading the last major patch notes and predicting that Behemoth/Frost would be out of balance - then that's a problem and it should be solved. Sending stuff like that to production is an issue that we have right now and it's not easily solvable if the people working on it don't see it as an issue.

We're nearly into March now and have seen what - 2 major balance patches? I never, ever would have predicted such a thing. 2 balance patches in over 3 months? That is not good.

League of Legends (as a popular example) had extremely frequent updates and patches early on and they were always and constantly tweaking things to bring their champions to a similar power level. The game would occasionally get OP units that were played more than others, but, for the most part you could play whatever Hero you wanted and have a reasonable chance at winning. This is not the case with Arena and I don't see us on the right path either, yet. It's still early, but personnel or process needs a change. The game is unenjoyable for me right now, but will be instantly fun again once the next patch drops and until we find just one OP build that is the only playable thing. But, this takes time. Too many words. Done now.

[bronze spire]

I think tft is a fairer comparison and they get balancing wrong all the time. balancing is way harder in a 1v1 game with prebuilt decks + beta where balance isn’t the priority (I think balancing has been very good other than frost behem). I have a feeling new game modes will make balancing easy / not as obvious what’s the best

[wicked cloak]

I also feel like we might be expecting a bit much, if they put all their focus on arena they could definitely be pumping out patches as we would like them, but they also have 2 other, pretty much completely different games, that they are working on, illuvium zero probably doesn’t take too much, but I can’t imagine the hours they are putting into the overworld, especially with the release coming up. And of course, we want arena to be good, but our personal experience in the beta isn’t that important, I agree that there have been many flaws in the current patches, and if there is nothing going on behind the scenes then yeah that is concerning, but I think that the lack of speed itself is fine, given how much they currently have on their plate

[hot pond]

I think the main issue is that people tend to forget that this is a beta access which is mainly utilised to identify bugs etc. I feel like we should just be happy to even earn something while testing out the game which isn’t a given at all. They could’ve also just given us a beta tester nft upon launch that could be worth close to nothing?
Just let them focus on what’s key right now - launching to open beta and then trust in the team to keep pushing for the best experience possible

[worn tree]

To be honest I agree as fuck. It is ridiculous how the current system is designed. TOP 1000 rewards should be distributed to weekly eligible players. Smurfs and not eligible ones should be bypassed in the top 1000 count.

[wicked cloak]

Agreed, but I think currently it’s not as big of a deal as we are saying it is, as thantos just said, it’s the private beta, which we really only have to test bugs, make sure the game runs smoothly, which in that aspect, we did beautifully, there were so many crashes and bugs, and now, I can’t remember the last time my game crashed or I had a bug, so in the aspect of private beta, the team, and us, did awesome. I think that they brought out extra stuff to reward us, for our hard work😂 and we are kinda being a little ungrateful, they could have said, no rewards, that’s not what a private beta is for.

[hot pond]

Exactly. The only „bug“ I currently encounter from time to time is that my cancel button in match making gets greyed out but it can be solved by going back to start screen. Within the game i didn’t face any crash or random things since the last patch. To me that’s a really good sign

[cyan olive]

[vale coral]

if the rewards didn't bring in the DAU that they were hoping should we still be giving them out widely. would changing the system now really bring in new players or have a significant inpact on DAU?

[vernal forum]

I feel it's important to reiterate just how much fun this game is overall - how much I enjoy it and how impressive the entire project is as a whole. I was specifically asked for my input - and I believe my critique about certain aspects that could use some improvement/focus rings true and will hopefully be received as it was intended - with nothing but love for this project and the people working on it.

[worn tree]

I mean, you are right in everything. But this doesn't prevent me from saying that the current ranked rewards system makes no sense and is unfair. Even if they want to incentivise more playing with smurfs, it becomes counterproductive as top players can stack in the top 500 multiple accounts and then other players don't have any aspiration to aim high in the ladder for juicier rewards.

This has degenerated to the point that some players have more than 5 accounts inactive in the top 100 lol.

If it is something that needs to be worked on, I will say it. The team will judge when is the right moment to implement the changes tho 🙂

[worn tree]

Well said. Same here. Can't wait for the new game mode

[woven tusk]

@worldly jolt why i dont receive reward at 22 feb ss ?

[granite osprey]

I play TFT after 15rank match.

[vernal forum]

I usually cry in a corner after 15 ranked match.

[worldly jolt]

No one has received those yet.

#🎮〕illuvium-arena message

[azure wigeon]

when the next snapshot?

[wicked cloak]

I tend to play another 15, cause losing 200 rating is so much cooler than just losing 100

[cyan olive]

every week same time

you can check discord events for your local time as well

[worldly jolt]

There’s the discord event and this pinned message that tell what time. #🎮〕illuvium-arena message

[lavish orchid]

still can t play

[worldly jolt]

I’m sorry to hear that this ticket has not been resolved yet. Support should still be working through these. Remember that support does not use discord to resolve tickets. Do not get scammed in DMs or on some shady discord server.

[lavish orchid]

other people can play?

[worldly jolt]

Yeah, people seem to be playing the game

I understand that it’s an account-based issue. So you could create a new account and play on that new account

[alpine dagger]

Not sure if you saw point when i talked about it 1 month ago 😄

[lament frigate]

THIS! 👆

[lament frigate]

Fair enough.

[west quartz]

He win streak 6 games in a row at 3 am against the same guy while I was unable to snipe him

[cyan olive]

I need that guy

5-0 once I get myself up to play some games

[west quartz]

It’s a gold player

Nikoos

[uncut comet]

which deck did he play :S

[west quartz]

Idk 🤷🏻‍♂️

Spent 30 mins trying to tag him, couldn’t do it

[vernal forum]

Anyone else feel this is broken?

[turbid osprey]

This what?

[vernal forum]

0 OP 2x seconds into match.

[turbid osprey]

28s is basically end of the match but idk. Doesnt feel broken to me has dust has never been used in top teams (only early game aggro)

[vernal forum]

https://tenor.com/view/bunnies-what-confused-meh-gif-12007368131756137942

[turbid osprey]

Im sorry i just assumed this was about dust. Can you explain what you ss is about?

[vernal forum]

I'm more interested in 28s being basically the end of the match. I can't really think about anything else.

[turbid osprey]

You said seconds into the match but 28 is quite late into the game. I dont have the data but the average round time shouldnt be to far from this number

[vernal forum]

Alrighty then, here goes. I said 2x which is shorthand for 2 in the tens digit and a variable in the ones digit that can be any integer from 0-9. Such that the possibilities would be 20s, 21s, 22s, etc. I took the screenshot after I noticed the OP at 0 28s in. Presumably, the actual time to get there was < 28s. But, that's fairly immaterial.

One issue that I see with our current SOTG (State of the Game) is that pretty much only "broken" stuff gets played because it's the only thing strong enough to counter the other "broken" stuff that becomes meta. Things like baby lynx, 5 bulwark, behemoth, verdant, etc. etc. etc.

I was just trying to get ahead of the situation by pointing it out now. If other's don't see it the same way, then I need only wait and I'll be proven wrong or right with time. This does feel like pretty low hanging fruit though.

[vale coral]

what does OP stand for here? Overtime?

[vernal forum]

OP is Omega Power

[vale coral]

I think most rounds going to OT is an issue. seems related to what your saying

[worldly token]

can I somehow see if I played the 15 games? Illuvimaster is great, but doesn‘t always have all the matches

[vernal forum]

Yeah, I don't like most matches going to OT either.

[lament frigate]

Arena is so unplayable in it's current state - far from funny.

Wen new arena?

[fallen vortex]

Yall never wrote a proposal with community support?

[fallen vortex]

Maybe u did im not sure

[pastel plank]

seems like people only playing baby lynx ice bear and verdants/behomoths

[summer frigate]

Probably in 4 weeks

[worldly token]

everybody keeps complaining about the current state, but is spending hours and hours in the game.. of course I sometimes want a more diverse meta, but this is a private beta and far from finished. I think the game is super fun already and there is only more to come. To the team: great work!

[sacred finch]

I actually was speding a lot of hours in the game every day but since the patch I'm playing less and less, the game has a lot of potential and the team is doing a good work but we can't pretend the game is fun right now, feedback helps the team to improve the game

The way it is right now, if I wasn't here for more than 2 years and with a lot of money invested I wouldn't care about the game anymore, hope they can build a PVP where skill and decisions after the game starts matter

[edgy bough]

Well said. It’s strange to me when players are labeled ‘ungrateful’ or complaining about a beta. 95% of us are super grateful and love the game, we’re just providing honest feedback which is the point of testing?

Bringing feedback to the team/DAO is essential and rather than delays us to open beta it actually gets us closer to a market ready product the masses will love (regardless of rewards).

I think in frequent balances are fine during beta, but maybe make them less heavy handed as SODA stated?

I’m sure we’re so close to new modes, and solves for broken rewards are coming, but it sure has taken longer than most of us expected (even in a beta).

[worn tree]

Indeed sir ❤️

[hallow notch]

Some good thoughts. I think a big part of the problem is that powerful teams spread easily in this free 2 play version. Just got to screenshot opponents team at the start. This wouldn’t be a problem if you have to capture and/or trade for each illuvial on the team, like will be the case in leviathan arena.

The nice thing about the current game state is that it quickly showcases which teams are OP.

Agree that more frequent patch updates are needed. At least, once every two weeks. Making smaller adjustments, but more frequently.

[hallow notch]

This is why I would love to see a ban phase implemented, so people are forced to think outside the box each game if different core cards are banned. Would at least make the meta a bit more varied, and different matchups would want different cards banned for best effect.

Also, I feel like this game needs a bit of RNG added. I feel like maybe being able to access the deck at all times is maybe not a good thing for match variety and freshness.

Hearthstone addresses this issue by having the players draw cards each round, which ends up being RNG. Making each match different since you would have different starting cards, and so would your opponent, so you’re going to want multiple quality openers in your deck.

By the end of the match, you’d probably have your whole core team out… not sure, just a thought

[vernal forum]

I suppose you could have half the deck available round 1 (randomly) - 14 cards, then add 7 cards on rd 2 and 7 more on rd 3 or some such thing to emulate that.

[bronze spire]

Play Oceania time and let que run for 2 mins haha. Risky, last week he lost 150 rating in 3 games to silvers, seems his hidden MMR was still high though after those losses

[hallow notch]

Yeah, that would be an improvement imo

[low comet]

Agreed, the augment meta was way way better

[past mica]

Hey guys, I threw a poll up on my twitter about the rate that ranked ladder resets everyone in arena. I'd appreciate anyone who could spare a minute to cast their vote! Cheers!

[echo yew]

Can we get a DR on things that stun or cancel animations? I don't understand why a root is stopping my omega or canceling my autos

[vernal forum]

Hey what is the diff for Resolve and Energy resist? (what is better)?

[bronze spire]

resolve is flat damage reduction. Resist is % reduction

[vernal forum]

ah thanks bud c;

[dark vine]

Hey, wasn't able to keep track of stuff the last weeks. The smurf rule got changed? What is the current rule for smurfs? Asking because I just noticed that I received two rewards during the first week of distribution. Is that a mistake?

[turbid osprey]

Didnt change yet

[dark vine]

so, the distribution was wrong?

[turbid osprey]

Dont know, is one from content creator or beyond? Was it on same wallet? Were all your accounts properly identified?

[dark vine]

accounts named ligyron and ligyron2. Not a creator or invested in beyond different wallets

so I guess I open a ticket. Maybe it is the easiest to subtract that reward from future rewards

[olive hedge]

Most Honest person in Crypto, Illuvium attracts the best people!

[dark vine]

yeah, usually two sides to this.. either honest or stupid depends on who you ask 😄

[worldly jolt]

@tulip tiger you should be able to post again. Just don’t tag everyone

[edgy bough]

What a legend for being honest. I wonder how many Smurfs got double rewards like this? 👀

[lavish orchid]

still can t play

someone can help me?

[bronze spire]

greyed out cancel button?

[lavish orchid]

yes

and queue 50 minutes

[bronze spire]

put in a bug report? i think they get to it pretty quick. If its been a few days maybe put in another? @dark scaffold

also sometimes it greys out and you have to press back and try again

[lavish orchid]

if i press back the game get stuck in loading screen

[lavish orchid]

i put 2 tickets

one in game

and one on site

[dark scaffold]

I hoping for next ghost session closure to be done in around 12-14 hours 🙏 (you are on the list)

[dark scaffold]

NO, no more than one ticket, this only make the process longer, dont encourage ppl to make multiple tickets about same issue 😛

[bronze spire]

haha thats why i tagged you i was thinking wait this might be a bad suggestion

my bad

[zenith mortar]

Peter loves duplicate tickets

[edgy flower]

Hahahaha patch note "NATURE IS ALREADY STRONG" can some1 name 1 deck with at least 3 nature affinity?)0)00)))0

[spare frigate]

spicey arena patch

[west quartz]

"Essentially, Spore now has a built-in Techno Leecher augment." are you out of your effing mind ? 🤣

[reef basalt]

Patch....

[west quartz]

"Adjusted the Energy Gain formula numbers to provide increased Energy when dealing or receiving damage. For instance, previously, a unit receiving 68 Damage would gain 1.7 Energy; with the modification, it now gains 3.4 Energy."
@topaz lake where can we find the formula please ?

[uncut comet]

so every unit get double energy now?

did the small lynx got fixxed btw?

[onyx sundial]

Bulwarks/colossus going to be throwing their omegas everywhere with that energy change

[serene lance]

So now when you jump rogues onto psions they all get their omega off before you kill them

[uncut comet]

you also get double energy for dealing damage

so its the same

[serene lance]

Ah so just more energy all round

[uncut comet]

just units which have powerfull omegas profit from that

[serene lance]

Ya

Big CC chain team comps kek

[gloomy mural]

all nylerxz's deck is buffed xD

[uncut comet]

should be 3 wildfire 3 verdant no?

[gloomy mural]

he knows something I guess KEKW

[west quartz]

you can buff coin flips ? 👀

[gloomy mural]

wdym

[woeful cosmos]

Thank you so much for the patch ❤️

[west quartz]

his deck revolves around 1 mechanic : luck.
it's all about "will he switch comp, and if he does, what will he switch for". So you're basically throwing a coin, or two

[gloomy mural]

luck? idk ur talking about. I dont think that his deck is coinflip deck

psions is coinflip

verdant bege is coinflip

[topaz lake]

it's explained in how many units you need. (so that is 3rd threshold where you need 4 units)

[gloomy mural]

but this idk, i dont think so

I wanna get second inferno unit xD

wanna see 4inferno dmg kekw

8% pure dmg per second

[edgy flower]

from each unit : D

[gloomy mural]

end match in 10 seconds? XD

[edgy flower]

8*4 is 32

end in 3 sec

from full hp

[gloomy mural]

really?

[granite osprey]

more STRONGER

[west quartz]

if he doesn't switch and you don't, positionning wins.
if he doesn't switch and you do, you lose.

if he switches to empath and you don't, you lose
if he switches to empath and you switch to invokers, you win
if he switches to empath and you switch to empath, luck decides

if he switches to invokers and you don't, you win
if he switches to invokers and you switch to empath, you lose
if he switches to invokers and you switch to invokers, positioning wins

[gloomy mural]

patch doesnt have this inf about each unit

[edgy bough]

thank you for patch and all ur hard work

[gloomy mural]

ur talking about mirrors?

[west quartz]

it's litterally a coin flip, followed by an eventual second coin flip if the first coin flip results told you to switch

[west quartz]

well yeah, that's the only way to look at it, if you're stuck with behemoth you just insta lose to empath

[lament frigate]

Fair enough.

[lament frigate]

This. 👆

[west quartz]

having a deck where you either change/don't change the whole team and the outcome is win/lose is like the definition of a coinflip team xD

he just forces you to commit and then prays he's on the right side

there's no right or wrong answer, you just luck or don't

[gloomy mural]

mb but revenant psion easy beat this, but I cant play this because I have 30% verdant bege, I lose them. Its really strange that people play bege yet. I can win nylerxz deck 5 times, lose 2 times to bege and lose 20-30 elo xD

[west quartz]

it doesn't

if you play revenant he sticks to verdant behemoth

and obliterates you because revenant is useless against verdant behemoth

[gloomy mural]

I didnt see behe in his team

[west quartz]

oh

[gloomy mural]

he changed it?

[west quartz]

maybe we're not talking about the same thing

that's what he climbed last night

[gloomy mural]

oh

he changed

I saw his deck with dust and went to bed

yes

this is really coinflip

i was talkin about dust / box

[west quartz]

he went regular verdant behemoth for the first rounds, and right when positionning skill starts intervenning he swaps, or maybe he doesn't

[gloomy mural]

then ur right

[halcyon nova]

the patch notes look good shake up incoming

[spring marsh]

how I can update game?

[lilac grail]

Dust buffed because we cant reach 3 ? Did they play the game and didnt see that dust was already broken. Even Soda did a message around it having omega power to 0 in 20 sec..

[low comet]

Dust is so annoying lmao no need for buffs 😂

[lament frigate]

I have now clew why Gyro and his companions got buffed.

[zenith mortar]

Updates automatically in epic games

[spring marsh]

still not updated for me

[edgy flower]

wonder why

[worldly token]

super excited for the patch! What's everybodies oppinion on good comps? Arcanite seems promising in my oppinion

[azure wigeon]

what happen?

[dark scaffold]

we are releasing new patch

[azure wigeon]

was fighting one match a minute ago

[dark scaffold]

#📣〕announcements message

[zenith mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/winterz-soon-gif-19096204

[faint plinth]

Sure, i think it can be playable

Some comp with dust might be nice as well

[zenith mortar]

incoming

[sacred finch]

No more overtime 🙏

[edgy bough]

new hyper visuals are epic

[elder ore]

is it only me or I tooltips on illuvials doesnt work? I am right clicking and nothing

[west quartz]

new visuals when mouse overing a unit in combat looks amazing, gg

fights look a bit epileptic with all the omegas popping off, love it 😄

[lament frigate]

For real?

[earnest cliff]

Hi, in arena, does someone know how to open/close that popup illuvium details window that comes over the cynergy (top left) ? can't see my team

[lament frigate]

Does anyone find any opponents in "casual" queue?

Somehow I found a game "loading game" but it's not starting - is that a known bug?

How do I remove the image overlapping my combos of the enemy illuvial?

[west quartz]

yep, same bug with another illuvial, reported it in game

[elder ore]

how did you do that? when I hover over illuvial or right click, nothing happens

[lament frigate]

I have no idea, just popped up - reported the bug as well.

[dark scaffold]

we are aware of this issue, but everyone who got this bug, please send us a report using in-game reporter (click "B")

[dusty gust]

Whats the counter to this? Outheal with verdant? When they clump in corner

[lament frigate]

Why did rogues not got nerfed, instead they got buffed (gyro). LOL

Same goes for swapping, haven't read anything in the patch notes.

These rogue teams with psion/titanor - super disgusting.

[west quartz]

There’s something I need to know though..Who the hell purposely played malura, ever, to make the team think it was too strong 😂

[edgy flower]

it was in meta 5 nature deck, didnt you saw it in ladder?

[lament frigate]

Instead, rogue (gyro) has been buffed - cause he didn't one-shot your backline before. 🤣

[elder ore]

after restarting client it works

[grand bluff]

Omg.

Bruh, this update is MASSIVE. Finally in-game trackers on resolve, grit, dodge, crit chance etc 😢 You don't know how long I've been waiting for this

Thank you.

[woeful cosmos]

Any solution to tooltip being stuck on topleft corner?

[grand bluff]

I think you can avoid it by not showing the tooltip after you click ready.

But if it's alr stuck, I think you need to restart the game.

[cursive echo]

malura harbinger

[tribal glade]

General feedback on the new patch? Better, worse or the same as the previous patch in terms of fun?

[zenith mist]

awesome changes - apart from the description overlay getting stuck over the synergies area, this is a fantastic QOL upgrade. Well done to the team

[safe valve]

I played first Like 5 Games since months and got wrecked... I don't Like! Will try again after i replaced the broken keyboard.
But first Look at new ui looking good, balance no clue but Seen 4 different Decks in 5 matches.... Looked all Like old Viper Decks tho 😄

[vernal forum]

Thank you for the patch!

[tribal glade]

intiial thoughts on it?

[lavish orchid]

[west quartz]

New ui looks super cool, overwhelming fights because of everyone casting all over the place, you understand less what’s happening but it’s fun to watch it looks dynamic. Need testing to settle a meta but apparently the corner box shitters(psion corner or empath corner) still work, which would be an issue regarding fun.

We still need much more testing though, come back in a few hours and we’ll rant about everything 😂

[elder ore]

Well its here for couple of hours. UI looks better, even tho I think image of illuvial/augment in tooltip is too big. about balance, hard to tell, but from patch notes looks like rhamphyre is gonna dominate, but it takes time to figure out comps

[vernal forum]

I have not read the entire thing yet - had the kiddos - but I'm scared with the change to Inferno and wondering if 7x linear comps are gonna be a pita. Overall, I like the direction of getting away from all these sustain comps. Happy to see Mystic tweaked - I love those Illuvials, so hoping they still see play, just not in every. single. comp.

I would also like to have seen something done to tame empowered strike a touch - I don't agree that it's in a good spot - mainly because, last patch, every team benefitted from having the 2 behemoth's in it (and 2 mystics) - because they are waaaay too strong. Dust is gonna be even worse than it already was and is easily the most head scratching thing I've read thus far - although Wildfire could also be an issue now. Spore changes are a head scratcher. I can't stand the leecher mechanic, so very unhappy to see more of that (personally hated) mechanic. It seems that just when stuff becomes playable it gets an inexplicable buff to make it unbearable and I'm very concerned we've seen that in multiple areas this patch.

If anyone finds a way to play invokers into all this, they should just be crowned king of illuvium and given a 1/1 NFT to commemorate their historic achievement.

Back to reading now.

[west quartz]

Challenge accepted

[hot pond]

The tooltips and additional information look juicy!

[vernal forum]

If anyone can do it... it's you!

I am wondering if this is finally the patch where aggro has some hopes of finishing out games before control takes over. With the Rogue changes and Dust being wtf insane - I guess the answer is: We'll see. But, mostly it'll be the boost to these 20 cost augments that puts us over the top. 20 cost Razor assim + 20 cost Syn booster early on could spell some trouble maybe? 20% crit for 20mp... yeah, that's strong as well.

Wow - just read 200 shield for 20MP now on Syn field??? The reversion on Parasitic Link feels regressive to me.

Holy S%!# balls! Surge Module was already stupid strong. Now it's just... gonna be in every comp. All tank team? Don't forget your surge module.

[west quartz]

Doubtful

Augments aren’t strong enough to justify packing 16 of them like we used to

[grand bluff]

It's more fun lol. Dunno about competitiveness, but fun

[west quartz]

The augments nerf changed the whole team building because now it is way less punishing to bring 2 whole teams

So if Aggro is op people will just have 8 aggro team illuvials and 8 others late game imo, no matter how strong your early is once there are 6 90+ cost big boys on the board you can’t melt them

[lavish orchid]

still gray button🥲

[lavish orchid]

you get something if you are in top 100 on survival leaderboard?

[gritty wren]

no

[sacred finch]

great UI improvments, still not fun to play

[worldly token]

why is it not fun for you? just curious

[sacred finch]

Dust makes every unit have 0 OP

so you can only play this shit or some comp that doesn't cares about OP, like beserkers, bear and lynx

[worldly token]

sooo meta already confirmed a couple hours after patch? 😅

[sacred finch]

btw lynx being a 35 cost units with no afinity that deals more damage than phosporus with arcanite active because deals pure damage sucks too

[worldly token]

yeah the true damage is definately a problem - way too strong for 35 MP

[cyan olive]

lynx is kinda only good vs bulwarks

barely better than a unit with traits vs non giga tank teams which you need to single target kill

[worldly token]

probably just way too many tanky teams in the last weeks - will see if this changes

[green helm]

Whats is indomable?

[little quail]

@grand roost your game freezes and close with unrealengine error too?

[little quail]

Indomitable? Health can't go below 1 HP

[echo yew]

saw some things i liked and some things that made me question the data you guys are getting lol

[odd wren]

Patches are too big. Would rather see less changes more frequently. Would let buff something progressively over multiple patches

[vernal forum]

Any known way to fix this? the graphic just stays up all game.

[supple beacon]

Also it seems like this patch would have been good 3 weeks ago. Because it doesn't take into account the current meta (Rhamphyre being in every single deck and getting buffed)

[south glacier]

This. It is nearly impossible to balance things out if almost everything gets changed every patch

[worldly jolt]

I think I’ve seen that closing the game will get rid of it

[vernal forum]

Something is buggy therre

I mean in our last game

[echo yew]

Laughable patch

[supple cave]

please explain your point of view

[vernal forum]

So, when is the hotpatch for Inferno?

[zenith mortar]

Should be hotfixing it asap, please report though with in game reporter

[vernal forum]

https://tenor.com/view/ted-lasso-tedlassogifs-jason-sudeikis-done-1x08-gif-21317610

[cyan olive]

I like burning

🔥

[lament frigate]

This. 👆

[lament frigate]

Feeling the same kinda.

[worn tree]

To the game design team:

You have created a monster.

[lament frigate]

How can this be understood?

[fallen vortex]

Quantum nullifier work yet?

[worn tree]

Nope

[worn tree]

Once the meta reach lower ranks, you will see what I mean. One trick pony decks incoming. It has no counter.

[fallen vortex]

Every team is a tank team lol. It's the only way to play Illuvium

[fallen vortex]

Can't we just fix the nullifier. Would literally change the entire game

[worn tree]

Yes, but the monster doesn't care about the nullifier

[fallen vortex]

Rhamphyre? Or dust?

[worn tree]

R

[vernal forum]

yes

[fallen vortex]

Yeah they created a way to beat tanks. But boy was it overkill lmao

Do both infernoncasts stack?

Eg would 3 infernos do 15% Max health as per per second

Cause that's a 5s win

[vernal forum]

The spore... never casting is as annoying as it sounded in my head while reading the patch notes.

[fallen vortex]

The numbers look low tbh

So im not too concerned

Haven't tried the patch tho. It does just enhance leecher

[worn tree]

I think so.

Idk man, they went bananas with this Rha buff

[vernal forum]

It's not the numbers that are concerning - it's the basic - anti-fun - of the strategy. Here are all these cool abilities that your Illuvials can do - oh but here's this mechanic who's only purpose is to stop those Illuvials from doing their cool moves. And guess what, it's effective - so yay - team A wins by stopping team B from doing anything but auto attack. It's just poor design - IMO.

[worn tree]

worst part is how energy is stacked faster, so Rha casts easier. They need to make rha omega more expensive and nerf inferno true damage

[vernal forum]

Not only was it not nerfed... it was buffed.

So, gl with that.

[worn tree]

like 3% true damage per second, per inferno unit alive. It is fucking crazy

[worn tree]

Tbh, super bad patch. Clearly they didnt test it

UX UI good tho

[vernal forum]

I have to agree that their are again major issues that were apparent even just skimming it on first blush.

[fallen vortex]

Energy is stacked faster?

[worn tree]

That is the key buff for rha

[lament frigate]

Rhamphyre is breathing at your units with the newest patch, and they fall apart into ashes.

[worn tree]

Energy on damage received is stacked 2x faster as before

[worn tree]

above sorry

[worn tree]

Yes... 😭

[cyan olive]

not anymore

[vernal forum]

I am enjoying the more visible Hyper meter

Direct quote "Pterodactyl has fallen with the changes done on the last patches." from patch notes - Rhamphyre was literally in 90% of top decks. I just don't understand.

[worn tree]

Me two, that was the best part of the patch. And also augment non-linearity, which I suggested a while back.

But man, the balancing is utter shit. After playing for 1h you clearly see how broken inferno and rha are right now.

[vernal forum]

It goes back to my main complaint - broken stuff does not get fixed, it just gets "countered" with more broken stuff.

[worn tree]

I mean the meta last patch was quite right, all it needed was a buff on damage dealer classes and a slight nerf on bw. But lol, I think rha was already strong last patch. Now is fucking insane.

[vernal forum]

Rhamphyre was in a decent spot, but I think there is a fundamental issue with the design of the game. Way too much stuff is passive, global, do nothing, it just happens. Including the strongest affinity in the game - inferno. Just a global 3% max health true damage to every enemy illuvial. Who could have predicted this would be bad for the game?

And the counter play to that? Just a global energy leech.

[worn tree]

Yes, most mechanics are aoe ticks. I agree that that is a poor experience with low agency

[topaz lake]

Rhamphyre was mainly present in those comps as a response to psions. If someone swapped to psions/invokers, then the Rhamphyre was played, otherwise, benched.

As a general note, you should give it more time. The patch was just released, and there are not many comps discovered/played. There are lots of things that can beat Rhamphyre anyway.

[vernal forum]

With respect (seriously) - this is only partially true. I know of at least 2 top players who exclusively played Rhamphyre decks to great success over the last 2 weeks or so. There were also, many players who had it in their deck to deal with Psions - that's true, but we also had a healthy percentage of top players playing it exclusively to much success.

[worn tree]

Really curious to see what counter rha with proper team design and augments on him. My guess: Nothing does.

[vernal forum]

Probably just keep him grounded with energy reduction/cc - but that's only half the battle.

[worn tree]

It doesnt work. With right augments and right team design, nothing works. Nothing.

[vernal forum]

I don't believe this will end up being the case. BUT, I have a problem with the general design of making broken stuff and then having more broken stuff counter it. I feel like we've left reasonable land behind us quite a while ago.

[worn tree]

You know when everyone ended up playing verdant behe, or enchanter tsunami or magma enchanter, etc? Well. This time is rha & co.

[vernal forum]

Yes, totally agree.

Meta is just Rhamphyre and whatever you can find to counter it.

atm

I'll just call it the "rogue" meta.

[worn tree]

And I am insisting. This time there is no counter. Becase it is so ridiculously OP that nothing beats it. Not tanks, not burst, not cc. Nothing. Spore and dust dont work either. You can reduce rha omega power, but inferno gets you super quick now.

[vernal forum]

It's possible you are correct.

I'm currently (and very slightly) leaning in the opposite direction.

Especially with infinite shields and no energy for enemy team.... there is probably something out there even more broken.

[lament frigate]

Who makes these broken patches, for real? It's not the first time that this happened.
UI/UX, well done, team; regarding balancing, we hardly failed again and got even farther from a fun experience regarding this narrative.

[vernal forum]

I dunno. But, I'd like to hear from the other side - those of you enjoying this patch - could you let us know what you like about it?

I could use a lift-me-up

[summer frigate]

Pure dmg from inferno does seems to be over powered, but give more time to the patch.

[worn tree]

Appreciate your optimism, but I have heard this one before. This is on the same power level of mistake as frost-behe times.

[vernal forum]

So I'm not really high elo or anything, I am only about 1400-1500, but tbh I hated the last patch as there were only 2 comps played - verdant berserkers or verdant behemoths, with most of the rounds going to overtime. Fun Fun.
I honestly much prefer this patch where there are multiple comps available. I don't feel that rha is such a big problem tbh, I feel like I am doing a good job countering it with air, gyro, good positioning and such. When I lose, I feel like I lose because of my bad positioning, which is way better than last patch when positioning felt redundant sometimes.
Idk, I just enjoy having more than 2 comps to play I guess. Anyway, before jumping to conclusions, I'll keep trying stuff. I feel like everyone should do this instead of complaining.
Yes, they may have screwed up a bit with frost-behe in the past, but we were also wrong many times, calling stuff broken only to take it back a few days later.
just my 2 cents

[worn tree]

Imagine you play 3 or 4 inferno LOL: That is 15% - 32% true dmg hp per second. LUUULZ

[worn tree]

Brother. You might see multiple comes because people is figuring out what to play. Once they face the deck, everyone plays it. Just let one streamer play it and its over. Dude come on

[topaz lake]

You can't play 4 inferno, yet. And the top numbers are going to change 100% when we have all illuvials.

[vernal forum]

Maybe, that's why I'd rather wait a few days and see how things settle. Also, how are you getting 4 inferno? o.o
3 inferno alone is hard to get, your opponent has to let you have the augment. Maybe I'm just unlucky, but my opponents never give me the inferno aug, they always 3-bid it.
Also don't forget that the inferno units have to be alive to deal that damage, they are pretty squishy, usually the ranger dies pretty fast
Anyway, I'll just wait to see what the streamers come up with, I'm curious to see if it's really as broken as people consider it only a few hours after the patch

[worn tree]

Makes sense, still 15% true damage per second on all enemy team seems INSANE at a first glance man. Actually, 2 inferno, which means 6% hp as true damage per second to the entire enemy team is fucking nuts. You kill all the enemy team with 17 seconds by only staying alive. It doesn't matter how tanky they are. Don't tell me this isn't insanely strong as you read it. It should be like 1%-2%-3% or smthing like this for it to be balanced.

[vernal forum]

Excellent! TY. You never played UT2003, did you?

[worn tree]

W/E dude. Balance is broken.

[vernal forum]

nope, not really into shooters 😦

[vernal forum]

It is. But also, it might be counterable and we should give it time. But, mark my words - the Inferno damage will be nerfed. Soon.

[topaz lake]

There are at least 5 comps that can consistently beat Rhamphyre comps, so it can't be broken or overpowered.

[worn tree]

I am sure there are not 5 comps that consistently beat the top ranked rhanphyre deck.

Prove me wrong

Actually, I doubt there is one

Wanna 1 v 1?

[vernal forum]

Can this be streamed pls??? I want to watch. Badly.

[topaz lake]

Well, this is up to you to find out.

[vernal forum]

Magma, Coll/zerkers, Dust, revenant and something else.

[worn tree]

Oh come on... I remember when Aaron came and said there were comps that consistently beat frost after the jotun-frost buff. It was clearly untrue. I am saying, you might find comps that win rha. Sure, but not the rha deck that us top ranked players are playing.

Not dust, not spore, nothing.

[vernal forum]

Things can sometimes easily be countered and still be broken.

[worn tree]

I will eat my words if you find a deck that consistently beats top tier rha deck.

[vernal forum]

Magma/behemoth

[wicked cloak]

Like the enchanter deck?

[vernal forum]

That may also work, but no... just straight magma behemoth

drop a scoriox too if you want

3 earth bw

and, of course, the mystics

[topaz lake]

That is simply not correct. Cannot be easily beatable and still broken.

[vernal forum]

aapon and Geyyyyyyser

[summer frigate]

I have one in mind 🤓

[worn tree]

I agree with you

[vernal forum]

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and guess that we simply have a definition difference. Matter of degrees issue.

[amber spindle]

I also like this. Maybe there's a better card draw system yet to be mentioned but this seems like a simple to implement improvement. Anything to add variance in the early game.

[fallen vortex]

The game should not be about. Comps beat comps. It needs to be, a way of play beats comps. Otherwise the team builder remains oppressive and rock paper scissors stays

[fallen vortex]

Thats what I was thinking like 6 months ago 🤣🤣

[wicked cloak]

is there another patch or something?

[vernal forum]

soon

[wicked cloak]

just had another update

i played this morning, and am currently updating again

[topaz lake]

Yes, it's a fix for the stuck tooltip.

[wicked cloak]

yeah, I think they could either choose to buff rhampyre or inferno but not both, i could play tsunami enchanter to try and beat inferno buff, or I could play berserker behemoth to try and beat rhampyre, but I had leecher on a fludd who was ulting legit every 3 seconds, and his rhampyre ulted twice in 35 seconds, you should maybe be able to get one ult off there, maybe

that extra energy generation is busted

[granite osprey]

inferno melty HP

[wicked cloak]

how much does a 25 cost unit sell for?

[dull wind]

@topaz lake has the team thought about introducing random rulesets to each game? This could spice things up a bit.

[elder ore]

Should be 75% so 19 ?

[worn tree]

This.

[dreamy inlet]

Once we've linked our ranger to a unit, there is no way to get the "link choice" back ? It is to be bound with the unit and therefore element class permanently until unit sold ?

[lament frigate]

You have to sell the unit which you linked with your ranger, then he's free again.

[zenith mortar]

#💬〕general message

[summer frigate]

Nice !! 👏🏼👏🏼

[slender palm]

Is the Server Error 500 (Cancel button Greyed) fixed this patch??

[gentle bronze]

How is the current patch so far compared to the previous 2?

[vivid stirrup]

better i think. opened up the meta without removing the previous one completly

[hoary mason]

So who wants a lesson on how to use revenants?

[azure wigeon]

just from the patch note,

the patch before is more balance

• The patch before : so many build, different variation
• This patch : burn

[onyx sundial]

Stoked to see this! 👏 well done team

[edgy bough]

Yesss finally!

[worn tree]

I didn't have enough with the mirror matchup (as literally nothing else is playable), so I just thought let's just mirror the opponent as well:

[inner orbit]

Hi guys, quick question, do we know how long the rewards for ascendant will last?

[worldly jolt]

For a long time.

[cyan olive]

very happy about this patch, I didn´t want to play arena at all last meta, felt like 0 agency, now I can build new teams and matchups feel better

[wicked cloak]

yeah cause at least now we can understand how we lost and not just cause of an unlucky behemoth attack plus crit, or dodging a behemoth attack

[cyan olive]

yeah

or we don´t flip coin on wall or not

left or right as much

or team swap or not

[wicked cloak]

@worldly jolt or @zenith mortar could one of you post snapshot for this weeks rewards when you get it, thanks

[zenith mortar]

We will next week likely

still needs to be parsed and sorted

[fallen vortex]

I mean its easier said than done.

But in the case of Rhamphyre its simple, A 100 mastery cost Rhamphyre should have a considerate value counterplay. If there's no 90 mastery cost combination that can effectively stop it before it casts Even if thats 1 illuvial and an augment or whatever, then u need to build an entire team around stopping it which isn't fun cause teambuilding happens beforehand. This is just how I view the problem, not to say thats even possible

[hollow orbit]

finished snap shot?

[fallen vortex]

Wait wait, was graviton piercer always 'after 6 attacks'??

If it was then I never noticed

If it wasnt then I am super excited

Wait does it stack?

[turbid osprey]

Yes 2h26 ago

[turbid osprey]

Always was like that, doesnt stack

[fallen vortex]

They changed the energy formula. Does basically everyone get double energy now?

for attacking and defending?

[turbid osprey]

Just when getting attacked

[fallen vortex]

Then this is very unclear

[turbid osprey]

Looks like its also from dealing dmg then. I just gave a quick glance to the notes and played 2 games. Didnt notice units gaining energy faster than usual

[fallen vortex]

@noble radish ❤️

[fallen vortex]

I think it would be a huge win if the formula changed from damage received to times attacked. Which would promote hard hitters over spammy ones, and make fliish beams high risk high reward

[noble radish]

Scaling energy from attacks based on base attack speed. (Slower illuvials gain more energy). Taking damage converts to energy based on the pre mitigated value.

[noble radish]

Times attacked is problematic.

[fallen vortex]

It certainly has its risks

[fallen vortex]

Oh its based on the pre mitigated, allg then

[fallen vortex]

So slower attack speed illuvials now gain more than prepatch yeah?

[noble radish]

I think it's across the board. I was working on a few other things last week or so. I'm not across the exact details, sadly.

https://tenor.com/view/shame-gif-26321140

[green helm]

Hello, when do they distribute the rewards? Did they change something I didn't understand

[fallen vortex]

I think it'd be nice to know, with a few more examples. But that's just me, or maybe if we could grab the new formula?

[noble radish]

@topaz lake ping me

[west quartz]

@noble radish could we get the energy formula please ? 🙂

[worldly jolt]

The distribution maybe a little delayed. But the snapshot was taken on time. It sounds like they are not including the ineligible accounts for the 1000 top leaderboard ranks count and will bump lower ranked players up into eligibility

[edgy flower]

Cool to know, did you plan to create LB where you see your actual place, without non eligible accounts? Or do we have to count out real places manually?

[onyx sundial]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-krabby-patty-formula-ravioli-gif-4943915

[woeful cosmos]

Hey 🙂 not able to login, anyone with same issue?

Never mind 🙂 much love to all you lovely folks

[topaz lake]

There was only a number changed. That number impacted the energy received based on the damage taken.

We posted an example in the patch notes. In most cases, the units barely gained energy, for example, if Phorus dealt 20 damage in Gnarl, the gain would be around 0.5, resulting in the games being very slow.

[worn tree]

So just on damage taken right? Patch notes indicate dealing or receiving.

[topaz lake]

That's 100% a typo from me. Yes, just the damage taken is impacted.

[worn tree]

Great, thats how it felt in game 👍🏻 thx for clarification.

[west quartz]

@topaz lake can we get the energy formula please ? 🙂

[noble radish]

Energy from damage works like this:

We find out how much health was lost (you don't gain energy from your shield getting hit, or while invulnerable). Then we multiply that by the ratio of pre to post mitigation damage, which works out how much pre mitigation damage went into your health loss.

Then we multiply that by the energy per damage constant. This tells you how much energy you should gain from that pre mitigation damage.

The constant was adjusted. That's the only thing that changed.

[fallen vortex]

That explains why gnarl be casting like 20 time a match

my gyro cant even move

[proven coral]

whats playable right now?

[edgy bough]

Rhampyre carry is killing it, seen quite a lot of revenant/spore/slayer too

[warped basalt]

Goddd, after 3 updated this game is still stupidd.. Me iluvials don't take damage, omega ability doesn't take damage for no reason, if they get stun after giving omega, again it doesn't take damage. because of that i lose a lot of matches... I hope there are bugs and that's not how the game works.

[karmic token]

likewise my rhamphyre rises in the air giving omega ability and surprise 0 damage, and it's not that I don't understand how the game works. and many other similar problems.

[zenith mortar]

If you have bugs please report in the in-game reporter (Press B) so we can investigate any issues

[turbid osprey]

This is just due to Dust guys

Your rhamphyre has near 0 omega power so no matter how much dmg he has if you multiply by 0 its 0

[worn tree]

Mind your IQ guys

[vernal forum]

This is what I was saying is broken. Makes no sense to me. Take Rhamphyre - Goes all up in the air, comes down - big boom, everything on fire - 0 damage, because he has 0 omega power? Ok - why's he even flying then? He should be napping instead.

[lavish orchid]

still can t play

[naive mantle]

i see you've never played a game with debuffs :p

[inner orbit]

Does anyone know what happens if you exceed 100% crit chance, would it be just wasting stats or does it compesate in any other way?

[turbid osprey]

It caps at 100%

[inner orbit]

My question is more about if you pass that 100% cap does it just get wasted or does it convert the exceeding crit chance to lets say crit amp instead?

[turbid osprey]

I would assume wasted but its a good question as we know attack speed gets compensated into attack dmg passed the cap. @topaz lake can you enlighten us please

[cyan olive]

I think it is wasted if I remember correctly

no conversion like in TFT

[topaz lake]

It's not converted

[spring marsh]

hello guys!

Does anyone know if I'll change nickname my history will be cleared on illuvialmaster? I want to change nickname but dont want to lose my stats xD

[cyan olive]

@fallen vortex might be able to answer that

[worn tree]

I honestly can't comprehend how the inferno stats were accepted from a game design perspective. It is ludicrous. All games are around rha... fockin hell if it wasn't made on purpose I just don't get it.

[woeful cosmos]

Hey people, please be gentle with your feedback 😉 not part of the team but you are all here cause you like the game

[calm fiber]

My round does not start. Is there anything i can do besides forfeiting? 😅

[cyan olive]

you can wait longer or restart game, also bug report helps to prevent it in the future

[calm fiber]

Thank you, sad i was winning

[cyan olive]

I haven´t had a round not starting at all, but sometimes takes few extra sec

if it seems way too long, restart is usually first option for me

[calm fiber]

I was waiting for more than 15 minutes so i restarted

[scarlet spindle]

I would think if you want thousands more matches worth of data on an Illuvial or a Synergy, etc, then you buff them and people will use them a lot and boom! you now have thousands more datapoints.

Though there is some balancing going on, but right now might be more about gathering data and the real balancing will come later?

[vernal forum]

If this is the strategy, a simple heads up would alleviate a ton of concern. I have serious concerns if they are truly dropping these patches thinking they are balanced.

[worn tree]

Thats what I thought after behe frost unreasonable unbalancing. I mean, this people are professionals, they cant do it that bad unless it is on purpose.

[vernal forum]

Just say so then.

[worn tree]

But man, if they wanted us to play rha, maybe just a bit of a buff on inferno was enough. 3% true dmg hp on entire enemy team dealt by one single unit is nuts. And that only with inferno 2.

With inferno 3

It is crazy.

[proven ember]

Feel like I need to step in for my team here. This is a beta. We're testing and exploring options and mechanics. At no point have we ever stated the game will be balanced as that is very honestly - not our priority during a beta.

[worn tree]

It this the winrate?

[proven ember]

Inferno from our data whilst strong, is hardly unbeatable.

2 comps during our limited internal testing wiped it reliably.

[worn tree]

When you can cheaply pivot from a comp to another, it doesnt matter two comps realiably win.

Its autolose against anything else besides those 2 comps. Inferno is so freaking strong you need to invest all your resources into countering it. Then the other player can cheaply switch comp and beat you cause you were only prepared to win inferno.

When a composite is so ridiculosuly strong that shit on anything unless 2 specific comps, the experience leans towards almost everyone playing rha. 52% wr is reasonable if 90% of decks are running rha..

When I say cheap switch I mean that you switch literally two units and you shit on the inferno counters.

[proven ember]

4.47% playrate.

[wicked cloak]

I mean, its only been a day and people have already come up with 3 decks that will beat rhampyre every time

[wicked cloak]

you can do this with any comp tho

or most of them

[worn tree]

@proven ember sure, maybe 90% in the top 100 spots

[proven ember]

Should be some ez elo if 2-3 comps have already been discovered that defeat it reliably.

But as I mentioned - balance isn't our top prio. Getting out Overworld, Arena, Zero in an Open beta ready state are

[worn tree]

Your right. I need to study more and complain less.

[worn tree]

Excellent. Thank you sir. Apologies because I know I have been a bit rude recently. Too much fire ya'know 😢🤣🙏🏻

[vernal forum]

It is good to hear that you are not trying to balance things.

[west quartz]

Is this data public ? 👀

[west quartz]

I meant the full formula, I’d like to better understand exactly how much energy I gain when attacking and every parameter involved to maximize my energy gains 😊

[cyan olive]

idk I try to stay out of the "balance" talks, as it usually isn´t getting anywhere, but it is funny to me, that the complaint is on inferno, which you can still beat with shields/heal etc., easily, but now you can´t face tank entire rhamph omega+ inferno anymore, the unit was literally useless unless vs 1000hp no resistance no resolve aka psion units or if it hit the lucky crits on both berserker or something

[cyan olive]

from the example given we know we get 5 energy/100 dmg if I am not mistaken and aaron said it counts pre mitigation dmg, isn´t that all there is to know?

[zinc shuttle]

can someone share with me a worksheet like this with the data!

[west quartz]

Attack speed is converted though right ?

[topaz lake]

Yes

[elder ore]

can you please tell us what are those 3?

[wicked cloak]

slayer dust with 5 air, revanent with inferno, revanant air earth rogue

spore revanant

[woeful cosmos]

Hi anyone struggling to get into the team builder?

[elder ore]

thank you

[fallen vortex]

Not sure tbh. I think it will be fine but idk how long the IM Systems would take to update. @quasi rivet

[quasi rivet]

It won't clear the history, but it will currently split up the history into two I think.

Actually maybe not, because we are pulling from illuviums api, and if they link it, it should remain the same.

But that would depend on their system which I am not 100% how it is set up.

[rigid glen]

How do you get revenant with inferno? Vermillionare+Verminio doesn't count as 2 revenant for some reason (am I missing something?)

[hallow notch]

lol, so many inferno teams right now x)

[gloomy barn]

U can't use 2 illuvials from the same line to make a synergy

[vernal forum]

Inferno revenant could be fire staff on Ranger bound to rogue rhamphyre

[rigid glen]

Ah I see, thanks!

[gloomy barn]

Yeah seeing how u need Rhamphyre anyway to get inferno lol

[edgy flower]

You need any fire unit and fire weapon

[gloomy barn]

U either need Rhamphyre or the LA to activate it tho

[edgy bough]

Agreed, at least we know now

[noble radish]

That is literally the formula, just in words.

HL * (PreM / PostM) * E

HL = health lost (shield does not count as health lost)
PreM = Premitigation Damage (the damage input)
PostM = Postmitigation Damage (the damage after resistances)
E = Energy per unit health lost

Note: I have not slept, so if there's an error in that, it's your fault in reading bad, not my fault in getting it wrong

[west quartz]

So if I hit an invulnerable unit I get 0 energy from attacking it ?

Or if I hit a shielded unit and can’t break the shield

[noble radish]

You're confusing things. If you HIT someone, then you get a fixed amount of energy based on your base attack speed. Slower attackers gain more, so that roughly if you are hitting consistently two units will gain energy at the same pace. Then if you increase the attack speed, it will scale up with that.

If you GET HIT, then the formula above works. And yes, if you are invulnerable, or have a big shield, you don't gain energy until you start taking HEALTH damage.

This allows us to not lock in units like they do in some other games where after your omega, you would be locked out of energy gain for the duration of the ability.

So for us, we can allow much more 'shield fantasy' if you can get enough units putting shields on someone.

[uncut comet]

@wicked cloak wrong team

[wicked cloak]

you get rid of phantom and do ranger as inferno revanent

[noble radish]

But it isn't OP, because you don't gain energy from being attacked if the attacks don't actually harm you.

[wicked cloak]

yeah i figured, that sucks, was it a glitch or just a misclick?

[uncut comet]

missclick :S

[wicked cloak]

ahhhh sorry

[wicked cloak]

yeah, seems pretty straight forward

[west quartz]

maybe i didn't explain myself clearly, when i was asking for the energy formula, i meant the full formula both when attacking and receiving 🙂

[wicked cloak]

i mean he posted the one when getting hit and when hitting is a constant

[west quartz]

i'm looking for how much energy i gain from attacking

[noble radish]

Always blame a bug when talking about a pre release game. There are no misclicks.

[noble radish]

There are two formulas. For attacking it's

E = C / Base Attack Speed (per hit)

C is a constant

[west quartz]

Can I get c value please ? 😊

[noble radish]

Currently 10, but it can change as we balance.

[west quartz]

And when I get an energy buff let’s say from water synergy, do I just add this to C ?

[noble radish]

No, the bonus for water is simply a fixed amount of energy every x seconds.

[west quartz]

Like 3 water would give me 2 extra energy per attack ? And would it be added to « E » in the energy from taking damage formula ?

[noble radish]

It's not at all related to attacking or being attacked. It just happens.

[west quartz]

Oh ok

Same for steam and legendary augments I guess

[noble radish]

Think of it this way:

Your energy is a bucket

Water Synergy is a hose going into the bucket.
Attacking is like scooping water from a lake using a cup, and putting it in your bucket.
Being attacked is like you bleed all over the place, and that blood is converted to water and put in your bucket. But the tougher you are, the more energy is in your blood.

[west quartz]

Great analogy thanks

[west quartz]

So my total energy gain per second would be a fix value + added energy from attacking (per attack) + added energy from taking health damage, correct ?

Or is the fix value per second only for geyser ?

[wicked cloak]

😂😂

[noble radish]

Yes. And then you multiply that by your energy gain efficiency which basically says sometimes if you have the right buff, you might get a boost of 2x

[noble radish]

Any unit can have energy regeneration, or a buff that gives that, etc...

[noble radish]

I once had to explain constant product market maker using horses and apples.

[west quartz]

Where does energy gain efficiency come from ?

[noble radish]

All units start at 100% (which means don't change anything) and then during the battle, buffs can increase this and debuffs can decrease this.

If I debuff you to 50% you'll only gain 1/2 of what you should.

if you get buffed to 200% you'll gain double what you should.

[west quartz]

Every illuvial has a different base energy regen value ?

[noble radish]

Almost all of them have a base energy gain of 0

But it's a thing that we can add to new illuvials.

[west quartz]

Where can I find this value per illuvial ?

[gloomy barn]

kool aid guy not tough.... energy wasted

[noble radish]

I don't think we have this released publically. But feel free to start a match with no buffs and you can record it to get the values.

But honestly, mostly all are 0 so I wouldn't worry

[west quartz]

That’s what I’m trying to avoid 😅

Alright

Tyvm 😊

[noble radish]

No problems. Now let me sleep.

[west quartz]

GN 😊

[noble radish]

https://tenor.com/view/puppy-tired-tired-puppy-doggo-cute-puppy-gif-9446132869263243239

[wicked cloak]

I guess that works😂

[vivid stirrup]

🍞

[faint plinth]

🧈 🍯

[half tinsel]

when is the snapshot for arena rewards ?

was it yesterday ?

[wicked cloak]

yesterday, in 10 mins it will have been 24 hours

[half tinsel]

thank you 🙂

[nocturne finch]

lmao 6 games and 6 games vs the same guy...

[west quartz]

it's downtime

[wicked cloak]

@gloomy mural are you hosh?

[gloomy mural]

yes

bugged?

look at hype discord

please

[vivid stirrup]

u can check it in the event tab in this discord

[proven coral]

is anything other than rogues ramphyre carry playable

[nocturne wedge]

were two weeks ago rewards distributed¿?

[vernal forum]

Yes, I just got an account from 750 elo to 1500 using a comp that doesn't use rhamph at all

But I'd rather keep it secret for now, don't want people to start spamming it, good luck theorycrafting!

[west quartz]

fresh account or old account ?

[vernal forum]

fresh, ofc

but they were ~12-14 games total

[west quartz]

so you won 1 or 2 games ? 😂

[vernal forum]

nope I also lost a few

[west quartz]

a fresh account gets like +600 on first win

oh ok

[vernal forum]

on my first wins I got ~100-150, wasn't lucky enough to get matched against 1000+ people

[proven coral]

Gimme a hint lmao, I feel the ramph carry is cheesy as fck

[west quartz]

people play slayer revenant dust

works against the rhamph

[proven coral]

Its equally as disgusting

[west quartz]

no no

it's way more disgusting

[proven coral]

#bringbackbloom

[worldly token]

what works against the dust? Berserker?

[worldly token]

Question regarding smurfs, wallets, names etc.
I created a second account and am now higher than my initial account. I never linked a wallet, but in Illuvium Play (team builder etc.) it shows that the second account is also linked to my wallet from the main account. Do I need to set up a new wallet and link that in order to be eligable to get rewards? or is it ok to have the same wallet and just put the names correct (Beinholz being main and Beinholz2 being smurf)

Thanks in advance

[edgy bough]

hmm im pretty sure you can only be linked to one wallet per account on Illuvidex, but could be wrong. might be best to wait for answer from team, or open a support ticket

[sour silo]

good idea beinholz! So far I'm only learning one deck. Climbing. Meta changes every day. Drop down afterwards...

I think I saw in a video from viper or so, that is needs to be different wallets, else both disqualified

[silver merlin]

my ramphyre ult sometimes doesnt land against the rogue team. is this a bug or how is this caused?

like it does no damage or heals with the omnivamp

[turbid osprey]

You might get stunned

[silver merlin]

no wasnt stunned

if seen it multiple times today, not yesterday. is there a hotfix buff or something?

[hardy minnow]

If you are fighting a dust enemy, they might have drained your rhampyre omega power to 0 or not enough to cause any big damage

[silver merlin]

aaaah oke thx

[silver merlin]

can it also be dodged with the air and spore? because it happened again with no dust

[vivid stirrup]

abilities can't be dodged, maybe u want to record it so we can see

[silver merlin]

hmm oke

[low comet]

has anyone encounter this problem while reconnecting

@elder ore got dc too?

[elder ore]

yep, I surrender, enjoy 😄

[low comet]

the hell hahahah

i wonder how i won, that's why

[supple beacon]

Maybe the silence from the little rogue

[elder ore]

I mean I got dced, tried to reconnect 2 times, only was stuck on empty board so I surrendered

[low comet]

thought my pc crashing again. HAHAHAHAHA

same prob. @dark scaffold

[dark scaffold]

this sounds like me when i play, free points for ppl, but usually they take it by force and skills, not by my good heart

[silver merlin]

getting revenant shields in overtime seems so dumb. is that intentional?

like getting shield because units die because of overtime damage

[wicked cloak]

Yeah, but the overtime damage ignores shield so it’s also not a huge deal, I mean it helps for sure, but not mega broke

[silver merlin]

hmm yeah oke

[gentle bronze]

Who are your guys favorite Arena YouTubers/streamers?

[silver merlin]

kinda boring answer but Viper, has good breakdowns of teams

[worn tree]

Discrepancy found with Adorius. Omega says: heal 27% missing health + 275*OP%.

Well I have found that with 0 OP Adorius heals 0, when it should be healing the raw 27% missing health. Can someone from the team verify this and let me know please?

No heal reduction shenanigans going on. Just 0 OP

[azure wigeon]

The worst patch i think.

The patch before is better (more variations)

Luckily, climb to top 50 before everybody start one meta play. I think it will hold it position until next week

[woeful cosmos]

Where did you come to this grand solution from?

In 2 days we know that its shit?

Or is it just 1 day even I dont remember

Yoi gotta keep at it

try something new

dont use someone elses team

how can you counter what others are spamming that dont actually know how to play

[silver merlin]

if you cant beat em, join em

[woeful cosmos]

But you will not be that good a player or in general at game theory if all you can do is copy

[silver merlin]

idc as long as im in top 1000

[vernal forum]

I don't get how people say that last patch was better, more variations, when 80% of the patch people played behemoth verdants or berserkers verdants

[zenith mortar]

Just an update if ppl are wondering why rewards havent been paid. Gas has been extremely high especially for transferring to even more addresses this week. So please have patience for distribution.

[silver merlin]

well now everybody is playing dust revenant

[vernal forum]

yesterday everyone was crying that rhamphyre is broken, now dust revenant is the new rhamphyre xD

wonder what will be on the menu tomorrow

[silver merlin]

probably something that counters the dust revenant

[woeful cosmos]

Its okay but not unbeatable. Raemphyre Is also v beatable if you pay attention

Neither are too o p

[silver merlin]

yes but everybody is still playing it

[woeful cosmos]

So play some cards that help you beat them 😉

....

[silver merlin]

if i knew that i would be nr 1 by now

[edgy flower]

Wen L2 payments? : )

[zenith mortar]

Hopefully next week or week after

[hoary mason]

Yeah, i started that meta my bad, but idk why dust🤣🤣🤣

[worn tree]

Thx for letting us know sir.

Also, I would like to ask, when will the eligible ranked rewards leaderboard be created?

[hoary mason]

Is this the rewards for staking?

[zenith mortar]

No, this is for leaderboard rewards

[zenith mortar]

No date for this afaik

[worn tree]

A8 sir, thanks

[alpine dagger]

Viper probably curses me on stream rn for rekting it

I expected some higher skill , but u are NPC mate

I like how u font queue again to dodge me 😛

[cyan olive]

idk how you can try to talk when you are 500 mmr below me

every patch

[alpine dagger]

Gj i dont grind 4 account 24/7 😄

[cyan olive]

every time we have a 0 agency meta, the gold palyers start talking big

[alpine dagger]

I was 25top ez, i didnt play after that

[cyan olive]

congratz on winning a game, make it into a frame and pin it to your wall

[junior geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/nick-big-dick-who-tuesday-dj-bridwell-band-gif-14770171

[alpine dagger]

Chill dude, when you lose, no need to be toxic , just learn something about meta and enjoy game, if i was getting soad about game like you, i wouldnt play it

Lol

I have around 80% wr against you

You are weak mate, get embarrassed more on your stream on 15th acc

[cyan olive]

lol

you prob have 1% winrate after winning today

[supple beacon]

Idk what viper said onstream, but you are 100% de one toxic here @alpine dagger

[cyan olive]

I said he sucks for making a bad play

[alpine dagger]

Calling me dogshot bcz he is losing 😄

Sure i am toxic, a laugh hard

Im not getting mad or cursing or calling names ppl who outpreform me

[cyan olive]

you are bad and toxic, that seems objectively true so far

[cyan olive]

how do you outperform me?
I finished 1-1-2-2-3 in 5 weeks

you got what a top 25 once?

if I say something is bad, with given objective arguments, maybe accept it

[alpine dagger]

I out preform you in every match, then u dodge que for few minutes to save your mmr

Weak mind, learn to lose

That how u become winner

[cyan olive]

if you can outperform me, why aren´t you by far the best performing player then?

[cyan olive]

you seem to be an expert at that, as you are 1500ish elo

[alpine dagger]

U have 10k games i got 500 xd

[cyan olive]

ah good excuse

[alpine dagger]

Sure w.e i am free to play game all day loke you now, see you in top leaderboard 😛

[green helm]

Are you planning to move to another cheaper network in the future? Is gas in eth a big problem

[alpine dagger]

Bro stand up go to gym or some walk, stop playing games 24/7 and feeding your ego 🙂 i am fit as model and i enjoy my top25 once with 5% of your total time wasted on game 😄

Chill boi

[cyan olive]

I very likely live far healthier than you do, walk 10k steps a day, eat pretty much only homecooked organic food and work out

[junior geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/lord-trunks-tiktok-homelander-stronger-smarter-gif-26709166

[alpine dagger]

😂😂

[cyan olive]

you seem to be unable to accept, that ILV is a game with variance, so you winning doesn´t mean you played well or better

and you make up facts

idk this is a waste of my time

gl in your gold games

[alpine dagger]

Bro dont lie, u walk only 10 steps to fridge and back to your PC

Chill out

I dont want to argue with npc