🎮〕illuvium-arena

[reef basalt]

I may be over simplifying it but I feel its easier to turn one augment off than to change the code and do testing if its working as intended.

[fallen vortex]

I'd be very surprised if that was intended. It would basically be unusable on 90% of illuvials.

[drifting torrent]

if you read the text its not a bug

atleast the website text

[grand bluff]

Hmm I see. I guess it can mean 12% of energy cost of the enemy's Illuvials.

[smoky python]

Read it again

It's a bug

[drifting torrent]

enemy team

loses 12 % of energy cost

[smoky python]

Yes

[drifting torrent]

it woudl say

[smoky python]

Of your omega

[grand bluff]

I stand corrected then. It can mean 2 things, 12% of energy cost of the Illuvials having their energy reduced, or 12% energy cost of the Illuvial casting the omega.

[drifting torrent]

the language isnt clear

[bronze spire]

already been pretty unusable till now. Though I agree probs more a bug. Either way needs a change

[smoky python]

It's clear

[grand bluff]

Yeah I agree. It's ambiguous.

[drifting torrent]

i interupt it as

[smoky python]

It's not

[drifting torrent]

12 % of enemy team

[bronze spire]

can be interpreted either way for sure

[drifting torrent]

now its too strong

sure

[smoky python]

It literally cant

[grand bluff]

Yeah xD

[smoky python]

It would say 12 percent of max energy

If it meant enemy illuvials total

[bronze spire]

nope

[drifting torrent]

you mean it should say that

[smoky python]

Not cost which is referring to the trigger of the augment which is its omega

[drifting torrent]

the way it is

[fallen vortex]

I mean 12% is pretty small. Most big illuvials cast 3-4 times in a game surprisingly easily

[drifting torrent]

can be interpeted either way

[smoky python]

No it cant

[grand bluff]

Agreed. My mistake then on calling you out abusing the bug. The language can be interpreted 2 ways.

[smoky python]

Who wants to bet money on this?

[drifting torrent]

what is there to bet

the interpetation is subjective

[smoky python]

It's a bug

[fallen vortex]

I mean I've never interpreted it the way it currently behaves

[smoky python]

Interpretation is not to anyone with a brain

[fallen vortex]

Its pretty obvious it would be uber op that way

[drifting torrent]

my bad for using my brain and coming up with a strong comp that literally everyone is playing now lol

[bronze spire]

yea true, just saying as is now still only usable on a few. But very OP on them

[smoky python]

I told you what it would say if it was meant to

[smoky python]

Isn't your rating super low?

[drifting torrent]

ever since i saw ryplance 40 energy cost i wanted to make something with it

i have 4 accounts in 1800 +

i wouldnt say super low

[smoky python]

So yes

[fallen vortex]

Be nice

[drifting torrent]

i like making teams more then climbing, i orignally did it as a troll thing

[fallen vortex]

Plz

[grand bluff]

But I won against you multiple times rite :3? And it is strong. Gj on making the team.

[drifting torrent]

and it turned out being good

i dont know why your acting like such a dick

over subjective english lol

you must be salty from losing to it

[bronze spire]

wait so rating matters now lol

[smoky python]

Because you are speading garbage. It's not subjective

[grand bluff]

I don't think ratings have anything to do with the subjective language on the augment...

[fallen vortex]

https://tenor.com/view/perfect-popcorn-michael-jackson-gif-26271837

[smoky python]

It is not subjective

Read the augment

[drifting torrent]

all forms of reading are subjective...

words have multiple meanings

and evolve over time

[fallen vortex]

https://tenor.com/view/popcorn-guy-relaxing-popcorm-popcorn-gif-26404903

[drifting torrent]

wether the devs intended it to be 12 % of total

[smoky python]

Augment ability triggers on omega
"Enemy team loses energy equal to 12% of energy cost"
Cost refers to the trigger

[drifting torrent]

of energy cost of illvuial

that does not mean that the tooltip is not confusing

[smoky python]

There is no such thing as the energy cost of an illuvial

You are thinking of a max energy pool

words matter

[drifting torrent]

yes excatly why the tooltip should be clarified

[smoky python]

education matters

[brazen quarry]

[drifting torrent]

either way

[smoky python]

It is clear

[fallen vortex]

https://tenor.com/view/television-tv-shows-tv-popcorn-watching-gif-17892683

[bronze spire]

what if it works by not max energy but by how much an omega costs?

[drifting torrent]

Im done discussing it anyways no point your mind is made up and no amount of debate will change it

[bronze spire]

eg X illuviual needs to save X energy because their omega COSTs X amount

[fallen vortex]

https://tenor.com/view/pikachu-cute-anime-squishy-cheeks-pokemon-gif-17334910

[wide aspen]

To be blunt, as long as people misinterpret it, it CAN be misinterpreted. Just because someone understands it, doesn't mean that EVERYONE will understand. It's clear TO YOU. To others, it is not. It must be clear for EVERYONE, regardless of IQ, Gender, Elo or whatever other crap. This is a pointless discussion. As long as something is not clear to everyone, it should be clearer. Case closed

[smoky python]

Omegas cost a units maximum energy

[grand bluff]

Thank you!

[smoky python]

Just because someone can't read doesnt mean the words change

I can misinterpret the color of the sky. Its meaningless

[fallen vortex]

https://tenor.com/view/rainbow-colors-changing-gif-13465748

[bronze spire]

you are wrong. Looks what air does. "enemy Units' first Omega costs Additional Energy" Proving its possible the game is designed around energy cost not max energy

you are wrong twice

it can also be subjective

[smoky python]

Yes the additional energy to their max

[bronze spire]

"this omega cost this", Not "omega when you gain max energy"

you are deciding that

[smoky python]

If I have a max of 100 and then I need 20% additional energy, my new max to fill up bar is 120

[bronze spire]

that is your interpretation of the wording of air

[smoky python]

Also I'm well aware that there are multiple wordings used on some augments and abilities for some reason

This is not the case here though

[brazen quarry]

https://tenor.com/view/knocked-up-ben-stone-this-is-fun-we-should-do-this-more-i-think-gif-21773781

[smoky python]

Wording is clear
It's a bug
Sorry to disappoint you guys

ILV God has spoken

[drifting torrent]

In the game "Illuvial," the augment called "Techno Leecher" with the tooltip stating "Enemy Team Loses Grit and Resolve equal to 12% of energy cost or enemy team loses energy equal to 12% of energy cost" can be interpreted in a couple of ways. Here's a breakdown of the possible interpretations:

12% of the Illuvial's Energy Cost: This interpretation suggests that the enemy team loses a percentage based on the energy cost of the ability used by the Illuvial with the Techno Leecher augment. For instance, if the Illuvial casts an ability that costs 100 energy, the enemy team would lose 12 energy (12% of 100).

12% of the Enemy Team's Energy Cost: Alternatively, this could mean that the effect is based on the energy cost of abilities used by the enemy team. In this case, if an enemy Illuvial uses an ability that costs 100 energy, they would lose an additional 12 energy as a consequence of the Techno Leecher augment.

The tooltip's wording is a bit ambiguous, so it's not entirely clear which of these interpretations is correct without further context or clarification from the game's rules or developers. If the game has a detailed guide or a FAQ section, it might provide more specific information on how this augment works. Additionally, community forums or discussions among players might offer insights based on their experiences and interpretations of the game mechanics. chat gpt 4 bro

[bronze spire]

wording is clear on air and you change the words there lol

i agree its a bug but may not be

[brazen quarry]

Does it even matter if it's a bug or a feature? It's OP and needs to change.

[smoky python]

"12% of the Enemy Team's Energy Cost: Alternatively, this could mean that the effect is based on the energy cost of abilities used by the enemy team. In this case, if an enemy Illuvial uses an ability that costs 100 energy, they would lose an additional 12 energy as a consequence of the Techno Leecher augment."

No, it would say Omega Cost

[fallen vortex]

https://tenor.com/view/bowing-moiraine-damodred-rosamund-pike-liandrin-guirale-the-wheel-of-time-gif-24676681

[smoky python]

This is why we can't have nice things

[fallen vortex]

I mean the fact that the other effect is grit and resolve couldn't possibly be based on the target illuvials energy. That would be both hilarious and silly

[smoky python]

That would be

[drifting torrent]

im not even arguing it is intended , im just arguing the tool tip needs to be improved as it is not clear. given how strong it is on lost cost energy illvuials even if it is intended it probably should be nerfed.

[fallen vortex]

It should really be resistance and not grit and resolve. Such a weirdly weak effect

[smoky python]

If it worked properly and was not bugged the augment sucks

Wouldnt need a nerf

[fallen vortex]

Oh yeah. Insanely bad

[smoky python]

Thats why its taken so long to figure out for us I guess. Because we read it, knew it sucked, and never played it

thats how we know its not ambiguous

[grand bluff]

Is there such a thing as negative Grit and Resolve😂?

[drifting torrent]

yes because you are the end all be all authority and you should not be questioned.

any one who disagrees lacks education

[smoky python]

Thank you for agreeing

[fallen vortex]

That would be super cool

[drifting torrent]

Your welcome since someone agrees with you it means you are correct

[bronze spire]

i proved him wrong already haha

[fallen vortex]

Negative grit and resolve converts x amount of incoming damage into pure damage

[drifting torrent]

their are no logical fallacies or inconsistentcies with any of your arguements.

[smoky python]

You're*

[smoky python]

There*

[drifting torrent]

*there my aplogies i used the wrong there because I lack education

[fallen vortex]

There, my apologies*

[grand bluff]

Ik, then Techno Leecher would be 👀👀

[fallen vortex]

Yeah lmao

[fallen vortex]

I'm playin', we all friends here

[smoky python]

Ok everyone do a shoey

https://tenor.com/view/daniel-ricciardo-honey-badger-dr3-shoey-f1-gif-12688182

[fallen vortex]

I thought that was aussie

Who gives u the authority to demand that

[smoky python]

Well I know at least 2 of you are aussies so figured id appropriate your culture

[fallen vortex]

I'd appropriate*

[smoky python]

https://tenor.com/view/waltergotme-gif-18867690

[bronze spire]

btw energy cost is the term used for max energy in this game. So leecher is referring to what you think of as max energy

no shoey for you until you grasp this lol

[zenith mortar]

Nice lookin leaderboard there

Congrats @bronze spire

[smoky python]

Zadkiel needs to step it up

[bronze spire]

thank you! lol

[brazen quarry]

Viper_1 needs to step it up

[zenith mortar]

Which is vipers brother

[smoky python]

Yes but take the full context into account.

The augment is about the illuvials omega trigger

[bronze spire]

I agree with this is how all of us interpret it first. Just saying its possible its intended and they over looked how it would be interpreted. I do think its more likely a bug

but we all also thought energy cost isnt referring to what we normally think of max energy

[smoky python]

"Enemy Team loses Energy equal to 12% of Energy Cost"

Energy cost of what?

The omega

The omega of what?

What triggered the ability

[bronze spire]

yea makes more sense its the casters cost

but its not clear

[zenith mortar]

I will just say yes the augment is bugged and it’s known, will be fixed

[smoky python]

We know Rich

[bronze spire]

hahah

[smoky python]

To 99% of us, this was obvious

[bronze spire]

tooks us months to find it!

[smoky python]

Thats cause augment is so bad haha

[bronze spire]

yep lol

[zenith mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/the-more-you-know-gif-26317296

[bronze spire]

wasnt till tsunami hit and we search for a counter

[smoky python]

its still bad with tsunami

Please fix tomorrow right before tournaments so everyone gets screwed in their preparation

That would be best result

[worn thicket]

I'll allow myself to quote @noble radish on this topic to emphasize the importance of community feedback BEFORE dev time is spent:
"Too many times we have put too much energy in trying to release something perfect just to see the community want it changed"

To avoid similar situations, I think involving the community more, or even form a volunteer comitee that would work hand in hand with the dev and QA team in these changes would be very beneficial for the project. I could very well see a team made of myself, @smoky python and @lean ivy be very helpful due to our previous gaming experience and these people have already proven record of being proactive both in governance and feedback.

There would obviously be other suitable candidates but imo for this kind of purposes, the smaller the team, the more efficient we'll be. Just like in a study group if too many opinions are considered at once, we lose in efficiency.

Is this something the Team would be open to consider?

[smoky python]

Well said and is something I actually wanted the Game Council to do in Gov V2 but was rejected

Since in that case it wouldn't really be too subjective on who gets chosen and we were already being paid by the DAO

[worn thicket]

I always thought that was what the Game Council was for, until i learn it wasn't xD
I would've agreed that the Game Council would've been perfect for this task. You guys also were already under NDA so no leaks issues.

[smoky python]

Maybe the team is more open to more hands on help now than they were before based on how the game turned out and the reception it has gotten

Easy things like the deck size issue could have been fixed immediately before release if more emphasis was given to expert feedback

[fallen vortex]

I am pro player too, imma be leader of this committee

[worn thicket]

You're a pro at losing, no offense, luv ❤️

[fallen vortex]

Not sure if we have played each other

Until we do u cant say that to me

albeit true

But I cant imagine anything worse than a committee of ONLY high elo players. You need a mix with a focus on high elo

[smoky python]

They tried to appeal to the casuals and dumb everything down already.
Time to let the pros handle things

[fallen vortex]

all I care about is diversity of opinions, as long as ur pros come from 3-4 different games outside of Illuvium its probably chill

[smoky python]

Yah trust me. You will get a whole lot of diversity of opinions just between me and zep alone lol

[worn thicket]

On this i will quote what @smoky python and many others very rightfully said.
"Casuals" should be listened when it comes to feelings. How does the game feel, what's the average experience etc. But IGNORED when it comes to balance. Balancing a game comes with DEEP understanding of that game, and that's something "pros" can give reliable input on. If you're not good enough and you say "Rhamphyre is OP" we don't know if you're right or if there is a user issue.

If a group of 3-5 pros agree on the fact Rhamphyre is OP, then theres is no discussion on does it deserve a nerf and the discussion goes to "what's the best way to make it Ok? is it Omega range, is it damage? is it more Energy or less Atk Speed? is it a Phantom or Inferno Nerf?

[fallen vortex]

Zep isn't over 2k elo doe

[smoky python]

rip

[smoky python]

Once again well said

[worn thicket]

yeah i cba to grind a bad game. i just play in tours for the $$$

[fallen vortex]

Too many times we have put too much energy in trying to release something perfect just to see the community want it changed

I didn't read this as balance but rather entire game structure. But for balance pros is obviuously the way...

[brazen quarry]

Yes yes, I would be #1 but game is bad. Sorry bois

[fallen vortex]

Ah shiet true

[smoky python]

Goes for both things but for features it would definitely help to have it internally tested by non pros as well

Just to make sure it isn't too offputting

[fallen vortex]

I did say a focus on pros

[smoky python]

Now whether we focus on those opinions would solely be based on the individual opinion itself and if it is relevant

[fallen vortex]

this message said nothing about balance to be clear, apologies I misinterpreted u

[smoky python]

"I didnt have fun because I lost"
does not mean the feature or game is not fun

[worn thicket]

Game right now needs both unfortunately. but this DAO has proven record of ignorance when it comes to good games or Esports. i wouldn't trust a "democratic" system for something so specific and crucial

[fallen vortex]

Delete Indom from the game, make Illuvium Great again

[smoky python]

MILVGA

[brazen quarry]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/791148476218081321/1121728807582322698/Recording_2023-06-15_000028.gif

[bronze spire]

Personally, I think the current feedback system is great, and they are clearly hearing everything that is being said. They know what changes are possible and if they align with the current plan on the direction of the game.

If there was to be a group made, there is no shortage of competitive players (Btw they have already received feedback from actual "pros"). But from my experience, the people that should be chosen need to have some level of acceptance that the devs actually do know what's best for the game and the bigger picture. No professional ever wants someone telling them how to do their job and you will have no chance at being listened to if you are just getting mad at things not being done exactly as you want and as fast you want.

[smoky python]

Why are you assuming that they know what's best for the game?

And just because they have received feedback from us, does not mean they will implement things

[bronze spire]

I'm assuming they know better than most. Or atleast I would treat them that way. Especially given the resposes to feedback ive seen

[smoky python]

Never assume anything without knowing the facts

Especially in Web3

[bronze spire]

true but also doesnt mean they are ignoring it, which you are assuming they are

[brazen quarry]

I assume he knows, it's in his name

[bronze spire]

you assume lots of things lol

[smoky python]

Until I see something I dont believe it. We who have been in the ILV community for a while have been burned many times before

[lean ivy]

Thanks for the shout out. Love to help where I can.

I'm sure the devs are reading all of these comments, twitter posts, and other feedback. We need to give them time to figure out what they want to change. It was the holidays. I'm sure everything will get ramped up once everyone gets back in the office. They want the game to be as successful as possible.

I would ask that everyone chill out on the critical feedback unless it is something new. Reading all the negative comments being repeated does not speed up the dev cycle and doesn't foster a welcoming and optimistic experience to provide trust that this game will be successful.

[fallen vortex]

https://tenor.com/view/anakin-burning-aroojtwt-gif-25910217

[smoky python]

It's not our job to give people false hope and to tell them to blindly trust things
We aren't on the council anymore 😉

[lean ivy]

Are you saying you don'twant illuvium to be successful?

Wtf, If you Don't think there is hope, then leave. There is no value in that statement. No benefit to the DAO and to the game we both really want to be successful.

You have already made brought your feedback time and time again.

I'm also not saying to blindly trust.

They haven't had time to implement any of the feedback.

If the next major patch happens and basically changes nothing or at least not enough changes that meet expectations, then one can push iips or even request a new studio to work on the game if they really think its going that bad.

Constantly complaining in the discord is just fuckin stupid if you actually want this project to succeed.

[smoky python]

I want the game to be great and successful since I am primarily a game player. And since I am no longer on the council it is not my responsibility to look out for token holders or to protect the team.

[bronze spire]

I've likely been burnt worse elsewhere haha but can concede I haven't been active in the community for as long so maybe wrong of me to comment, but I have been "invested" from close to the start

[smoky python]

Where were you for the PB1 and 2 survival grinds!

[grand bluff]

Survival was not as fun imo.

[bronze spire]

shamefully waiting in the background for pvp lol

[grand bluff]

I couldn't get myself to play it. Pvp is fun though. I keep coming back. Maybe more if I don't constantly experience the bug of bring stuck on waiting for opponent.

[worn thicket]

while i agree with the 1st half... the second one seems too passive imo.
Bullrun is here, Open beta is in only a "few months". Time is for being proactive rather than reactive. With the actual deadlines and the team's rythm it will be really hard to have a good game on launch if we wait for them to release something, then we go community feedback, IIPs which are anyways useless this epoch because of who elected the actual council, but let's say we had an healthy gov v3 MAYBE we force a change that will take 3 more weeks to be implemented.

Time is not for IIPs or to force anything. Time now is at working hands in hands with them, being proactive and hit things right the first time!

[smoky python]

Yup play time is over

We on a time and money crunch. Let's crank out good shit by doing what's right first

[ocean junco]

Cant find match?

[ocean junco]

Exactly. The current feedback is great.
There are pros and cons to getting the pros to be part of the team. Pros stayed as a 'player' for a reason. They might become too subjective for their own good. And a hardcore player will stay as a hardcore player.

[edgy flower]

@smoky python where i can watch xborg upcoming tournament?

[ocean junco]

what does true sight do? does it pierce on shield?

[edgy flower]

cant miss

[cursive echo]

26 minute ⏲

[edgy flower]

till what? will thay stream twitch/youtube?

[cursive echo]

check in stards 9 minute

[cursive echo]

I don't know for stream

[raven obsidian]

wen next patch?

[ocean junco]

How to counter tsunami water. fck ranger is so strong

[proven ember]

We have had held discussions with community members, including the most skilled players.

Bug with techno was just a single typo in a json file, was fixed within an hour of the first report internally. Just waiting for a patch, not in QA or designs hands anymore. Can't give an ETA on this, but won't be today.

We're exploring a very interesting change to put move more of the gameplay decisions into the auto battle gameplay and less into the team and teambuilder.

[raven obsidian]

Awesome to hear man, Thanks for the update

[proven ember]

Changes are still coming from the earliest rounds of feedback, these will be less dramatic but should improve. On the dramatic changes, we're estimating 2 weeks internally to build out a basic prototype.

We'll probably talk more around that time on it if it's positive. It's a boat load of work to do, but we're willing to do if it significantly improves gameplay

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/908653900238827551/1192476641092456538/image.png?ex=65a9376a&is=6596c26a&hm=0b241f8bf7048a07611277ebd28401bc24456d8f186c85c6b61394ff719a48e4&

These are my key issues with Arena currently

And all are being tackled

As both Aaron and I said when we first released PvP, it's a first beta and we had significant improvements planned even then. I believe we put it at around 60%. Following the community testing I would say now it's a bit lower - perhaps 50%-55%.

[supple cave]

there is a tournament going on now?

anyone streaming?

[ocean junco]

How to counter the ranger of tsunami water?

[edgy flower]

viper stream he plays it

and thx for that explanations ben

[tight swift]

GG @molten arrow

[civic grotto]

7 fighters

[worldly token]

Will the rest of the illuvials be not in pvp till open beta? or are some updates planned?

[rain coral]

There is nothing preventing more Illuvials from being added in future updates, but this information has not been confirmed at this time.

[worn tree]

Can you guys fix techno leecher? pretty please? Holly shit

[gentle bronze]

Why have fighter comps become so popular

specifically because of tsunami?

[worn tree]

Yes, fighter break through tsunami comps faster than tsunami can start pumping

[worldly jolt]

https://tenor.com/view/b-ig-bang-theory-raj-koothrappali-sheldon-cooper-rock-paper-scissors-gif-3438690

[worn tree]

Next patch:

Nerf psion weapon
Nerf Techno leecher
Buff empaths a bit
Make wildfire and aegis playable
Nerf Monkey line, specially the berserk one. That shit is op considering it costs 55g

[gentle bronze]

Techno leecher needs a hard nerf lol

I think it will be fine if the changes come through where you can only use one of each augment but the way it is now def needs changed imo

What does the match up between fighters and invokers look like?

[drifting torrent]

leecher

mny monkey got blocked so hard

hjoly shit

theres so much receny bias when it comes to balancing tho i guarentee if we left it for a month new stuff would continue to develop.. once something becomes popular people will look for counter

the game is already pretty rock paper scissors atm inmo

wait what happend to leader board

[uncut comet]

nerf phosphorus i legit destroy my opponent with positioning and this disgusting bird kills my whole team still when my ryplance and exalted monkier with full items focusing it with mystic buff , ranger attackspeed buff from staff , full healing debuff augments and phosphorus attacking my caradulo while my berserker both at the same time attacking it from behind for like 15sec and dont killing it this is a fucking joke

like the 50 time i try and even with perfect focus it doesnt matter

[gentle bronze]

Are there any bugs where ranger gauntlet doesnt do damage with omega at certain angles?

I swear on my life my gun isnt doing dmg half the time ima punch a hole in my wall LOL

I was using the wrong gun xd

[tight swift]

No, it's a graphical bug. It looks like he's shooting at the farthest target, but he's actually shooting at the first Illuvial on the path. This can be proven by looking at the damage dealt and observing the Illuvials near the ranger

oh okey

[gentle bronze]

Yeah I lost 3 rounds in a row and was thinking to myself "HOW AM I NOT DOING DAMAGE?!"

[lean ivy]

Ya just lost another tournament because of that bird. Literally the only comp I have lost to in tournaments...

[uncut comet]

ja same zodd and smartass both with phosphorus arcanite round 7 prob everyone at this point xD and ppl wanna nerf mud monkies when the monkey die like paper if u dont position it right and phosphorus tanks more then titanor with 2 tank augments und 4 collosus buff xD and does most damage too

[lean ivy]

oh and actually I did lose a mud mirrior against you(Other than that it was Arcanite)

[uncut comet]

but that was another tournament xD i think u also had the colossus version?

[lean ivy]

ya and i was traveling and you said you pumped 200 games in the last 2 weeks 😆 But I respect you on the ladder too. Everytime, i'm like, "shit its nefer again"

[uncut comet]

haha same bro and nice youtube videos ❤️

or its not you with the polemos channel?

[lean ivy]

Thanks! Ya that's me. Once we have a bigger player base I will start pumping out more content. We are just focused on Web2 for now trying to bridge them over.

See you in wildfire 😉

[civic grotto]

For those who are having trouble beating Tsunami/Enchanter, I've made a video on how to counter it. Never lost a game so far and I played against 15 different players. Check #🎨〕community-content

[junior geyser]

team link would be super helpful!

[civic grotto]

https://play.illuvium.io/team-builder/cd9a162d-648c-498e-b8bd-d2c5cbd9d4ae

[worn thicket]

Thank you for the update! It is very good to hear that the main feedback on the current issues was heard. On the Deck Matchup issue i'm curious, what are the different options that you guys are considering that might solve or at least improve the situation?

[drifting torrent]

gg

traguc miss click augment

[smoky python]

Congrats to God of PB2 for another victory

[smoky python]

Its a bug that is fixed internally. No nerf required

[smoky python]

https://tenor.com/view/walking-with-beasts-bird-terror-bird-scary-squawk-gif-25402511

[smoky python]

In what way?

Thats the important part

[cursive echo]

@uncut comet I'm waiting for you

[uncut comet]

noooo

[cursive echo]

[zenith mortar]

les go nefer

[uncut comet]

doin my best sir

[zenith mortar]

dedicated Beyond Guild

FTW

[smoky python]

nefer | Beyond

[cursive echo]

https://tenor.com/view/what-jurassic-park-raptor-looking-scanning-gif-5746145

@uncut comet

[drifting torrent]

zodd

could u link ur arcanite build

if u dont mind

[cursive echo]

https://play.illuvium.io/team-builder/4d505700-6a07-45ee-8e89-c724d542e38f

[dark vine]

I really hope we get this phosphorus/bloom nerf. Every tournament dominated by that stupid thing, no real counterplay, too versatile, just place it somewhere and will kill everybody... Like really you remember the 2x empath nerf? Lets make it a triple phos/bloom nerf please or completely rework that thing... normally units have weaknesses but phosphorus has none (high hp, high def, high omega dmg, aoe dmg, high single target dmg, high attack speed). Actually doesn't even matter if a team can counter it because a single unit shouldn't check all possible advantage boxes.
In the end arcanite will be always the best deck because of that thing

[drifting torrent]

ty sir

[smoky python]

It's ridiculous that it even got buffs in the last patch

Just terrible terrible decision making

[drifting torrent]

my teams pho squishy as fck enemy teams pho

insert meme

[civic grotto]

survival protocol✅

[drifting torrent]

its just cause im bad at positoning that compo

i need to practice it more

[tropic moon]

having new accounts at 750 makes it really hard to find a game when you wanna try Illuvium for the first time...

[drifting torrent]

lol

it used to be 1500

should be 1200 imo

sometimes it glitches btw the finding

and u have to restart client or exit out and resubmit

[civic grotto]

@lean ivy Sry man, that was me 😄

[dark vine]

maybe we should ask how much experience people have.
new to games 750
played some card games 1000
played a lot card games 1500
I am playing phosphorus 2000

[tropic moon]

everybody would just lie

[dark vine]

I believe they do that in chess and it kinda works. Also it was mostly a joke

[tropic moon]

you're right actually, chess com does it, hmmm maybe that's kinda good idea

[drifting torrent]

ive playued way too many for fun comps today XD

[tropic moon]

i've lost to many times to you today i think (maybe not), but played you at least twice I would say

[drifting torrent]

maybe i wasnt playing a for fun comp that time lol

[worn thicket]

Also if they lie, they will just either win pretty hard or lose pretty hard and it will very quickly balance back to the elo the people deserve. With this said, giving back people the ability to start so close from 1500s for free brings back the smurfs issue we have for Leaderboard rewards coming soon.

[tropic moon]

Winning should not give you 20 points, and you should not climb for 150 with a new accounts. That's just silly.

But I don't know. Maybe not a place to talk about that. But if you can play 20 games a week on 10 accounts you deserve that rewards on all 10 of them? I don't know

[lean ivy]

good god three f!@#ing games in a row

That comp is cancer

gg though

[civic grotto]

I made it myself 😄

[lean ivy]

Please dm me it. I am copying that is very strog use of the leecher bug. are you in the tourney?

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[civic grotto]

Its in my latest video, everything is in there

[lean ivy]

done will give you a like and comment

[civic grotto]

Plan was to counter Enchanter/Tsunami

[lean ivy]

Ya you recked my enchanter.... 😦

[civic grotto]

Never thought that I can actually counter bloom arcanite

[lean ivy]

How does it do against mud mystic?

[civic grotto]

50/50

[lean ivy]

Ya thats the only thing I could see really work. Maybe a psion build?

[civic grotto]

they dont get to cast, rypterus denies them

[lean ivy]

ya...gg

[civic grotto]

going to 2k with this build.. Expecting people to start playing it from tomorrow 🙂

[grand bluff]

I met you.

The Leecher bug abuse is spectacular

[civic grotto]

It wasnt spectacular few days ago on Axodon

[grand bluff]

As they say, if you can't beat them, join them lol

[civic grotto]

I just realised what is also broken with this build. You have a chance to get x4 toxic 🙂

[cursive echo]

https://tenor.com/view/sweating-wet-wipe-gif-15394859

[civic grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/meme-movie-harry-potter-snape-gif-18380434

@supple beacon

😄

[grand bluff]

GG @vivid stirrup 1-1

[supple beacon]

Wait I played vs you?

But yeah that comp is broken

[civic grotto]

I had 10 wins in a row, this was my only loss 😄

[supple beacon]

Oh wow, what was your username? Also my brother sent me that team, I played with it and won 150 ratings so far this evening

[civic grotto]

@hearty sleet No no, dont play that 😄

Yeah its my 2nd acc

[supple beacon]

Its the best time of the day to grind when top players are not on their smurf right now to be honest

[hearty sleet]

thanks lol

i have no chance

[civic grotto]

Its going to the trashcan where it belongs

Im rly glad that this s*** can be countered

[hearty sleet]

The only problem is that team is not good against bloom arcanite

Enchanter is the only team I know of that can beat bloom arcanite

[civic grotto]

i beg to differ, ive beaten them aswell

mud is a problem for me

[wicked forum]

What is good against Boom Arcanite?

[hearty sleet]

With what team?

[civic grotto]

7 fighters

[wicked forum]

Two best deck. Bloom arcanite and Mud.

I tried many differente decks... Some times a win, but most i lost for theese team

[hearty sleet]

You beat bloom arcanite with your current deck???

[civic grotto]

yup. several times

im playing against it right now

ill stream in voice chat

it was close..

waiting for bloom nerf and it will be all good ^^

[drifting torrent]

I sometimes beat bloom with mud but it's hard to do so requires out positioning consistently

[ebon pagoda]

https://tenor.com/view/moment-of-silence-pay-respect-rip-rest-in-peace-bow-gif-15963301

[echo yew]

@olive hedge gg bud

[olive hedge]

its was probbbly a bad idea from me to target the deer

gg

that was fun

[echo yew]

Saw the behemoth on your team thought u were gunna make me eat my words from earlier

[olive hedge]

next time 😁

i do usually play those guys late game

[echo yew]

This a new deck I just cooked up. If I can make it to 5 I just win

[olive hedge]

remind me what was your first move?

[echo yew]

Triple air, double rouge

[olive hedge]

I love this game

[echo yew]

Lol I think it needs some work but I enjoy it too . I hope the best for the outcome

Lol someone's copying my build

I'm honored

@next flame thought you were gunna beat me with my own build? Not today good sir

[worldly jolt]

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-star-mirror-punch-gif-8431512

[echo yew]

Been ironing out this thing all day.

[olive hedge]

@next flame Thats makes us 1-1 😁

[reef basalt]

Interesting team you have there

[olive hedge]

Im just a sweaty try hard 🤣

[reef basalt]

trying out off meta teams is not try hard 😄

We are the few brave souls who sacrifice their ELO to see if something can work

[olive hedge]

i thinnk i just ran into a bug

[reef basalt]

Oh? game seems to have started for me

Gg ser.

[olive hedge]

i was able to click on the board while picking legendary augments

i made a few mistakes but i dont think i could have beat your team if i played perfect

[olive hedge]

what is off meta?

[reef basalt]

Teams/builds that arent being used by majority of the people. If the meta now is the 7 fighter or the Techno Leecher Scorpion thats Meta

[olive hedge]

yeah i heard about this cheating ryplance

[reef basalt]

Anything other than the usual top 5 teams are considered off meta. The team I used is a hodgepodge but isnt your usual meta team of mud mystic.

I had air and enchanter in the mix so I think its considered off meta

[olive hedge]

yeah mystic is strong

[reef basalt]

Yeah, I have techno leecher (the bug augment) on my list but I only have it there if people will be using it against me lol. I dont use it to people who dont use it

[bronze spire]

Strangely it wasn’t really played in the tourney today. I think because it doesn’t really help much against bloom arcanite which seemed to be S-tier again

And it wasn’t banned

[reef basalt]

Thats true.

[next flame]

It was a fun match bro!! I'm just experimenting with everything right now having fun to!

[olive hedge]

same, tinkering

[edgy flower]

@worn tree kekw, GG

[worn tree]

GG my man ❤️

[pastel estuary]

has anyone tried playing arena on steam deck?how is the actual performance?

[past nexus]

Is there currently anything you can earn for playing illuvium arena?

[dark vine]

For the last month every tournament was won by an arcanite team. There are other "ok" decks but in the end conclusion always is that arcanite/bloom can do it all.. I can't understand how a unit without weaknesses (phos) can exist for this long. Empath got nerfed for less domination

[worn tree]

Not yet, but soon ranking rewards

[past nexus]

Is most of the loot and play to earn aspect of the game tied to overworld?

[rain coral]

?earn

[marsh bloom]

Game Economy

Illuvium offers various ways to participate in the play-to-earn (P2E) economy, including the option to:

• Sell captured Illuvials
• Sell farmed materials
• Sell crafted items
• Earn a portion of the 1 Million ILV reserved for in-game rewards

Please note that while the game itself is free to play, a monetary commitment is required to fully participate in the earning aspect of the economy

[rain coral]

Most likely, these 1 million ILV that will be distributed in-game will be through tournaments and rankings in competitions/leaderboards.

[bronze spire]

Very true. I was surprised people played it that much. I told my brother just play mud mystic and if they play phos just play invoker or tsunami to counter it. That worked up until the final and bloom beat both this teams. So I think it is decently balanced but looks like in the right hands phos still is too good

[past nexus]

First day playing illuvium arena, its very addictive and i can only imagine when overworld, zero and beyond are released to the public that this game is going to be GG

Further the play to earn aspect thats integrated in this game may make some millionaires selling NFT's, also GG

[dark vine]

yeah, way too op. Positioning is fairly easy as well and since you only need 2 Illuvials + low cost sacrifices you can afford to move a lot. Completely mindblowing that this isn't dealt with. It should cost like 150 or 200 mastery points to be fair. If I had to name any deck that can deal with arcanite including old empath I could name 0... maybe ench/tsunami if we delete techno leecher. Too many advantages too little cost to adept positioning if necessary.

[late lagoon]

I was thinking bloom was op cos tsunami is a bit unplayable into all the techno Leechers. I’d been beating arcanite with it until everyone got the leechers in

[dark vine]

but every week has been like that

maybe this can beat arcanite and in the end it can't and win goes to arcanite once again

[worn tree]

@proven ember , Rota Revo Gyro line needs polishing regarding the damage and the animation syncro on omega. Sometimes it feels like the damage comes after or before.

[bronze spire]

Yea agreed. Guess my point was I can respect the attempt to not just nerf it into the ground and it’s been close to not being the best team

[eager portal]

I agree, if you set the legendary augmentation to return 100% energy after the first use of an omega strike, then it may not work at all, since the animation is broken

[bronze spire]

That is my thinking too

[bronze spire]

Yea going to be super exciting once overworld is out

[worn thicket]

leechers who were bugged and about to be hotfix anyways, maybe that'll solve the issue you're describing

[edgy flower]

😎

KEKW

[supple cave]

there will be a big change to augments where we will only be able to play one of each line on the board, right?

[worn thicket]

Ok I feel like i should do this publicly as it's fair that everyone should see it.
It is no secret how disappointed i was about the game's lack of skill expression, the numbers didn't help either. I was looking at my friends i made in this community 2 years ago when playing Survival for the 1st times not even willing to come back for pvp and saying they'd rather play other games than coming back to illuvium. You can add alongside that the general sentiment around from "investors" eager to try to extract always more and not care about the game itself that i've been fighting for 2 years...

and frustration took over me.

I entered in a loop of negativity towards the game that made me even not wanna play it anymore.

But yesterday night while i was talking with some other longtime friends from HS and TFT who are also actively participating in tours and climbing the leaderboards, i realised they actually love the game. They don't say it's perfect but they told me something very true.

TFT and HS were not as close as we are from being a good game ON THEIR LAUNCH. And I browsed in my memories and they are right. So i think i just got burned by both the delays, my own expectations and the DAO battles. My apologies to @topaz lake @coarse echo @noble radish and @proven ember .

I will try to be more objective and constructive in my feedback in the future, so we can make this game the banger it was promessed to be.

[lean junco]

I was afraid that you would leave us

[brazen quarry]

Appreciate you posting this

[worn thicket]

considered it multiple times over the last 2 years. Especially when i have to deal with some specimens in this discord. But something always keeps bringing me back and this time i'm glad i had my friends to show me it's not as bad as it looks.

There's still a lot of progress to be made but all things considered, it's just not as bad as i thought.

[worn thicket]

thank you. Just acting like in real life. If i don't like things i'll say it, if i do i'll say it too and most importantly, i recognize it and take accountability when i fuck up.

[brazen quarry]

https://tenor.com/view/respect-hat-cap-kid-gif-7551965

[cursive echo]

I've never played TFT but
addicted to illuvium gamplay Of course I like money too I have the winning combo +arcanite 👌

[worn thicket]

hahaha great runs yesterday man, i heard of it! GGs, the grind is paying off!

[reef basalt]

Better not as we still gonna meet up in Switzerland

[worn thicket]

true!

[summer frigate]

Wen patch

[noble radish]

FYI we're currently working on some changes to Ascendant that should hopefully enhance the game in a number of ways. We're trying to work fast on this to get something to internal testing so that we can see if we are on the right track.

There are a range of options we have, so it could be that we release two versions in the next big patch so that people can try both. One would be a light touch, the other would be a bit more heavy handed. (There's also a long term future state that wouldn't be available by open beta that we are a bit excited about, but would take more effort and would be a bigger change to the whole ecosystem).

In any case, once we have the internal requirements done this weekend I'll make a post summarising them. The team are already working on some other things which we already had planned, so when you see these don't think 'but what about X?' because we're probably already working on X.

And just to be absolutely clear, these two new versions probably won't be balanced but we will still release them anyway because we need to get some feedback on the feel of the changes.

[cursive echo]

Quick question, don't you plan to reset the ranking?

[cursive echo]

I'm trying to climb to the top it would hurt if everything was deleted🔝😢

[edgy flower]

You 2nd day mastering how you can better bug abuse and don't wanna reset those abused points? Like 100% acc in top 10 abuse something to get high and don't play on them anymore, point is to reward good player, so I do wanna reset even my top 12 main acc 🙂

[noble radish]

There will be a number of resets during the testing phase as we test various things. I can’t say when we will reset though. Right now we are keeping it as we made some adjustments and want to see how impacts the systems.

[echo yew]

So sick of arcanite, full tank bird hitting harder than double pure dmg umbre....makes sense

[light garnet]

Does anyone know why these are showing us 'invalid decks'? They are completely playable

[worldly jolt]

UI bug on the website

[worn thicket]

Looking forward

[gentle bronze]

people still play this?

[zenith mortar]

Thanks m8

Amazing

[edgy flower]

if there is no hotfix for bug for days what else i can play : D

[gentle bronze]

what bug?

[tropic moon]

anyone playing on macbook air with regular m1? is it possible?

[edgy flower]

@gentle bronze

[echo yew]

If not tsunami it's arcanite if not arcanite it's tsunami.. even with full counter augments it's not even close to stoping them 😦

[gentle bronze]

There is definitely more than just tsunami and arcanie just gotta figure out what to play

[echo yew]

There's more to play just not nearly as competitive

[odd wren]

Are there any concerns about queue times if you decide to release two versions of ascendant at the same time with the current player base? Queue times can already be quite high sometimes.

[echo yew]

Very easy to see what's oppressive and what's not

[naive mantle]

game froze, ill never know .. 😢

[scarlet spindle]

They've said it's a known bug and its been fixed but not yet patched. Seeing supposedly good players still choosing to use it is kinda sad.

But i mean, there are people who will throw dirt in your eyes to keep it from being a fair fight haha.

[edgy flower]

i know, so i just accept it and dont play till fix

[scarlet spindle]

I wish I could say the same, but I am just too addicted and can't stop playing

[summer frigate]

You're just hating, I have 3 accounts in the top 10 and I didn't bug abuse anything.

[edgy flower]

i mean you play new decks when no1 know how to counter it, then u reach top and stop playing for keep acc here forever

[summer frigate]

Don't be a hater mate, just get better at the game and don't complain. Even when there is a bug everyone uses it and the more skillful players most of the time will find a way to win in those mirror matches.

[edgy flower]

i dont say you bad player, i say that there cant be reward for such ppl who reach top and never play after that

[summer frigate]

Good positioning is the key for having success in the game.

[edgy flower]

im not interested in play not my deck and try to use bug better then others, i have my decks and enjoy them, current bug dont let me do that at all, coz them both omega based.

[sacred finch]

There should be a mmr decay or the system should be a little more inflationary so people wouldn’t be able to camp without playing

[lean ivy]

I agree and @sacred finch I also think MMR decay should be a thing also. Especially if there will be rewards.

[lament frigate]

Coudln't agree more! Like in Master to Challenger (League of Legends highest ranks)

[noble radish]

That’s always the case but we have to test somehow. And if increasing the quality of the game is what we achieve, and we will, then it should lead to players playing more matches.

[uncut comet]

someone know has the 50cost lynx with no synergy some benefits?

[sacred finch]

i've thought about it, when you need the last illuvial to complete a class but can't complete any affinity, but the 35 cost lynx is completely unplayable tho, maybe they should have better stats for an aggro opening

[worn thicket]

35 cost lynx is fun, it's omega deals pure damage, it's really quite strong as a stand alone for it's cost. Issue is it's never something you want in your lategame board and we all know that playing something early game to sell later is rarely a good play.

[edgy flower]

yeah, but he asked about bulwark with no affinity

[sacred finch]

imagine if you could bond the 35 cost lynx 🤔

[edgy flower]

and that for create complex class and simple affinity i guess

those 50 cost single clas lynxes

[sacred finch]

not sure if it would be too overpowered but definitely would be fun and make them playable

[worn thicket]

that's what it would do but i'm sad the opposite option doesn't exist... like a bloom or toxic Fighter Ranger would be insane early game

[edgy flower]

we have insane early game, its toxic colossus

[cyan olive]

turn 2 mystic fighter toxic earth also exists^^
lots of crazy strong early game atm tbh

just difficult to transition the non bulwark early games into playing "real lategame"

[past nexus]

will the rankings in arena beta carry over to when the game releases (out of beta)?

[rain coral]

No, when the game launches, it will be reset because the illuvials, weapons, armor, and augments will have to be crafted in OW and not all will be available as they are at the moment.

[edgy flower]

i dont know who is author for spore colossus range, but i like that a lot, well builded!

[drifting torrent]

GG DRAKA

[cursive echo]

so you confirm that we are going to have a reset before the rewards?

[cursive echo]

14 ...sorry

I don't care who resets today I just want to start climbing 😭

[cursive echo]

there will always be bugs, it's part of the game🫣

[past nexus]

Are there any upcoming tournaments for arena?

[drifting torrent]

gg mindaya

ive been loving the game personally just wanna see more illvuials get added. when theres alot more deck options skill will increase

the meta has honestly been changing quite quickly from week to week.

[reef basalt]

Hope you can consider turning on econ for pvp. I feel that will give more agency to players especially making the more expensive units viable by allowing players to save econ to put them down sooner through sacrificing the first two rounds for max econ as an example.

I feel the reason why people just max out round MP by placing cheap units is because there's little benefit in not using them. This makes early aggro too efficient.

See playing cheap bulwark 3 vs colossus as an example.

[supple beacon]

Is that really a good example, when the colossus beats the 3 bulwark?

[drifting torrent]

i will say this once, so i can reference it later. if leecher is changed to 12% Of holder illvuials energy instead of the way it is now, it will break axodon. have fun 24 energy off your illvuials per cast. currently leecher is only most affective against other illvuials with high energy cost. even those with moderate energy cost are going to lose more total energy then before lol. have fun vs 4 tsunami axodon double leecher XD

[cursive echo]

#📣〕announcements message

[cursive echo]

@zenith mortar <@&952749578485112853>

Ascendant Leaderboard

And here’s something to fuel your competitive spirit: we have some rewards in store for ranked players on the leaderboards coming soon! So, start climbing and show the community what you're made of.

[worn thicket]

@fallen vortex what was that comment a couple days ago about me not being high elo? +320 in one day. Hope this makes clear that i climb this ladder whenever i want and that if i wasn't high before, it's just that i didn't want to. Sending you the screenshot of me getting 2k tomorrow ❤️

[cursive echo]

who dared to doubt your abilities?!!!!

[civic grotto]

Bird is the word

[worn thicket]

bird is the most skilled comp. so obviously good players would rather play bird than play matchup lotery in ranked

[cursive echo]

you remember the empath

[past nexus]

Is there a good guide anyone is using to help them learning everything they need to know about playing arena?

[sacred finch]

nothing skilled about the broken chicken, just nerf it please 🙏

[civic grotto]

Bird is getting nerfed for sure

Without bird comp, half of people who are above 1600 wouldnt be there

[dark vine]

na, they would play other teams. People above that know what they are doing

[worn thicket]

Empath at high level was way more skilled than people think.

[civic grotto]

And x5 bulwark x3 bloom is the most braindead comp. Even 1500 current elo player can play that comp and climb up to 1750+

[worn thicket]

then why aren't they all 1750+? bet it's not that easy to play if you don't know how to play the different matchups

and i bet most of them tried to go bird all the way...

[civic grotto]

majority of players who are 1500 and below dont even know about that build

[fallen vortex]

I was making a joke and you know I was lol. I've seen u play many times and I know u can climb whenever u want 🤣🤣 sometimes I think u take me for an idiot lmao

[civic grotto]

and there is also a skill diff for sure

[fallen vortex]

I have no idea if you can get top 10 tho. Would be eager to see u try

I dont doubt you could if u wanted to

[worn thicket]

https://tenor.com/view/challenge-accepted-gif-19511953

[dark vine]

well reaching top 10 atm just is find something that works > play on main > people start countering it > play smurf > find something again > play main

things change to fast for that

[worn thicket]

or play bird all the way and be good 🙂

[cursive echo]

I confirm it's easy for him to reach the top 10 @worn thicket 🥇

[worn thicket]

this man knows... he's up there and somehow still loses to me at every tour i enter 😂 love you bro

[civic grotto]

Game is gonna be fun in next patches..

[fallen vortex]

I wish I had the time to play more @worn thicket . I ain't pro but I'm improving fast. If I had like a 6 hour stint to grind I think I could hit 1800-1850. I'd have way more trouble from there tho

[civic grotto]

Bird is getting nerfed, gauntlet by the looks of it

[dark vine]

not anymore. Just beat viper, smartass and someone from hype with a new team. They all played arcanite and had no chance at all

pretty sure viper will play that tomorrow since it is partly his old comp

[fallen vortex]

Bird Nerfs are coming next. Should be interesting

I just wanna see Magma be less shit at this point 🤣🤣

[civic grotto]

and not just stage 3 bird, i think entire bird line is OP

[dark vine]

yeah, that is true the entire line needs a nerf

[fallen vortex]

Someone did do double pure on pho against me the other day, had never seen it before. Wasn't crazy but definitely caught me off guard

[worn thicket]

doesn't matter, there will always be a comp that has less negative matchups than any other. Good players will just spam that, that's what we call meta.
Meta doesn't mean broken or impossible to beat. Most of the time the Meta comp/Deck is just the one that has the least negative matchups in a given set/patch.

[fallen vortex]

I mean bloom is the reason bird is op... the rest of bird is top tier but bloom is the core issue

[fallen vortex]

Very well said. Couldn't agree more

[cursive echo]

I wanted my revenge for the last tournament you didn't come...

[dark vine]

bloom for sure is a big part of the imbaness but pho has 120? atk speed and can go to 10k dmg as a 50 mastery unit with 2x pure dmg

[civic grotto]

Bird team is almost impossible to beat, only skill diff if its a mirror

[sacred finch]

Just because they have the highest attack speed, second cheapest omega, second highest hp, highest movement speed, enought attack range to attack behind a small bulwark, have a insane fast casting omega and gets imortal with bloom?

[worn thicket]

you'll have more opportunities to lose against me don't worry. I mean, if you don't show up 6h after the tournament start...

[worn thicket]

are you really saying 10k damage is a lot when Tsunami enchanter ranger or Umbre in the previous patch do like 2x that?

[civic grotto]

This feels like it should be buffed

[dark vine]

piercing aoe omega also helps because it is not imba enough 😄

[fallen vortex]

Btw @worn thicket I've been giving more thought to the basic synergies and i think u were 100% right. Although I hate that playing colossus is so expensive it's impossible i admit that 5-6 cheap illuvials and 2 expensive illuvials in a common team setup is a good meta for this kind of game. Outside of the cheap deck thing the variety is an important part of strategy and eliminating that would be really restrictive

[dark vine]

for a 50 mastery unit,yes

[civic grotto]

Bird is the only Illuvial in the game that can be invested completely in and paid off most of the times

[fallen vortex]

I haven't had heaps of issues against tsunami ranger yet tbh... it doesn't one shot anything in a world with bulwarks and positioning around it ain't that hard. It needs to surround itself with a garbage team to work and well that's unsustainable

[worn thicket]

oh my bad you're talking about those bad 7fighter decks with double photon on pho... yeah whatever, faced it multiple times in my climb and still yet to lose against it.

[civic grotto]

Try buffing any other illuvial with parasitic link and other buffs+ 2 augments, lets see if it pays off

[fallen vortex]

Agreed

[dark vine]

yeah, I know that that deck loses against arcanite

[civic grotto]

why are they bad lol 😄

I reached almost 2k elo just playing with that comp

[worn thicket]

because everything gets pretty much one shot by literally anything in that comp, therefore it's just kill or being killed and more balanced comps will just outscale it.

[civic grotto]

Ive been destroying every single comp with my 7 fighter build, exept bloom/arcanite

15 wins in a row yesterday

[drifting torrent]

the amount of salt is hillarious people think that whatever comp counters their comp is 0 skill or that the comps they hard counter means they are bad

there is a rock paper scissors gameplay going on

[worn thicket]

yeah that's just right now in the current state of the game. hopefully in the future they'll remove some power from the synergies and augments, put it back in the units and so we can have real decision making in the units and positioning

[fallen vortex]

Yup couldn't agree more. The augments are overall too cheap

Idk why we can't have 70 cost augments etc

[worn thicket]

isn't that what mud berserker players do? yet a lot of them climb with the build 🙂

[fallen vortex]

And the board wide synergy buffs are a little too much at times

Well the bulwark one is more noticeable than fighter for example

I mean when 80% of the teams in the game have 3 bulwark then something needs to be adjusted. 🤣🤣

[worn thicket]

i think the hypers need rework as well. like empath hyper in a packed comp is great, fighter hyper is amazing. all other hypers are like... ehhh whatever

[civic grotto]

you have seen what people are playing in inferno- 75% of time its bloom/arcanite, not many mud is seen in there.

[fallen vortex]

Yup. I think you are right. The good hypers and synergies only feel strong cause the other ones are so garbage

[worn thicket]

nah that's just in the game design. they made it so that there's only one frontline synergy -> bulwarks. Therefore FOREVER every serious comp will always feature bulwarks or composites of it.

[civic grotto]

Once we get bloom nerf, bird nerf, gauntlet rebalance, maybe surival protocol rebalance. Oh yeah the augment that makes granite obsolete aswell, that thing needs to be fixed. So once those things are in order then we will have a decent game.

Right now its shitshow

[fallen vortex]

Yeah that's true I guess hahaha. But the composites aren't as good so maybe that'll adjust it

[worn thicket]

they maybe weren't on stream but i know some people went top16 with mud.

[fallen vortex]

I mean if we have 5+ teams that are viable and being used consistently at top elos. I wouldn't call that a shitshow

But I suspect bloom is more consistent than the others

[civic grotto]

I understand but if you want to reach top position in tournament, you gotta play bloom/arcanite

[worn thicket]

true, you would expect that bulwark composites meaning BIG BULWARKS to be better tanks than bulwarks... unfort only true for Colossus. but hey we still very early in dev stage and still loads of room for improvement and reworks

[civic grotto]

Ive been watching inferno semi finals and finals and its almost the same mirror comp entire time

there is a reason for that, people arent dumb 😄

[worn thicket]

is your argument that to compete for the top in a tournament you should play whatever is the meta?
I'm pretty sure that will never change

[drifting torrent]

lol

[sacred finch]

Tsnumai enchanter was beating chicken comp before people figure out that techno leecher is bugged, now chicken wins against every comp

[civic grotto]

100%

[fallen vortex]

Yeah Like if we say sear has 3x the mastery points of Atlas. It doesn't have 3x the max health does it? I know these things aren't linear but u can essentially grab the exact same stats on a 3x cheaper illuvial 🤣🤣

And Magma isn't even better than water hahaha

I'd say right now Magma is a lot worse than water

[sacred finch]

This doesn’t make any sense, the slot it takes is worth a lot since you can only have 8 illuvials on the board

[worn thicket]

it's different. Also saw someone running a magma enchanter build pretty fun actually xD

[worn thicket]

i'd say honestly Sear is 3x better than Atlas still. like put one sear and 3 atlas fighting and i'm pretty sure the sear wins. issue is in the synergies and augments

Illuvium like most strategy games lies in resource management, here MP.
for 90 you can either play a sear, or 3 water bulwarks that give tankyness and energy to your entire team. What do you chose?

[cursive echo]

yes it needs better synergies sear ❤️

[worn thicket]

All in all it's a tricky topic, because if we nerf too hard the basic synergies (which are supposed to be 95% of what will make most budget decks) suddenly agro is not even an option and our game becomes almost purely pay2win with a high entry barrier (cauz if T4 and 5s would then be overdominant and anyone playing anything else would just get crushed)

[reef basalt]

They need Magma on a rogue so that they can put there aoe field in their back line. It's such a waste on scoriox

[drifting torrent]

yes but late game you have only so many slots, in your deck and the cards so the idea is in later rouds you end game will be weaker even tho your early is much stronger

you cant just make sear as strong as 3 for the same mastery cost

but i do agree 3 is too strong atm

[dark vine]

tried that with augment the field spawns on your side

atm

[worn thicket]

so there is a thin line to hit in the balance where T0s and unevolved units should be good, but not overperforming stuff that costs 3,4 times their cost. ie. i can't even remember last time i faced a Titanor.

[worn thicket]

there is no lategame. most games end by R4 or 5. EVENTUALLY 6

[reef basalt]

Wow that just sucks then lol 😆

[dark vine]

one of my bo3 yesterday during the xborg tournament 😛

[drifting torrent]

yes i get that im just sayin thats the premise behind 3 being stronger then 1 despite same cost

but it needs to be shifted a bit so its more possible to get to late game

[grand bluff]

@civic grotto You are darkholostuckingold rite? Seems like I beat your deck :3

[civic grotto]

yup ^^

[grand bluff]

Hehe

Twice now.

[civic grotto]

Payback for yesterday I guess

[grand bluff]

Yep.

[worn thicket]

@drifting torrent mind explaining?

[drifting torrent]

i meant to post in general

like reply to your post

instead i dmed xd

[drifting torrent]

this message

[worn thicket]

yeah i mean apparently the team received our feedback. The message that summarizes the current issues that Ben or Aaron posted (can't remember) were pretty on point so let's see what they have in store for us and how that effectively changes the gameplay experience.

[drifting torrent]

ive seen ur teams on illvui master before when i was first learning the game a few weeks ago

[fallen vortex]

Very true

[fallen vortex]

I reckon the Atlas wins for sure. @coarse echo can u please check in dev environment?

[fallen vortex]

Well the value gained from 1 bulwark and 1 water is still way better than Magma and behemoth even if they costed the same 🤣🤣

[drifting torrent]

behemoth needs to be 3 autos

i think

[fallen vortex]

Thats what im saying. I agree with u more now. U can't really nerf them hard, it could just break the game in so many ways. Idk what u do tho. It's a combination of minor buffs and adjusting the stage 1 illuvials to be slightly weaker maybe

[drifting torrent]

is there a way to play arena illvium without training them btw or can u only make decksif u own the illvuia

[grand bluff]

In the real game?

Afaik, you'll need to own the Illuvials before you can play them in arena.

Afaik, no "training" is required. You just need to get them. But afaik, you need to "train" them to evolve them (from Atlas to Axodon for example), or just buy one from MP.

[reef basalt]

Not sure if they changed the mechanic but originally if you own even just the stage 1 you can play its other stage in arena. But I recall gaming council proposing that this will not be the case anymore. @lean ivy or @cyan olive can probably confirm. I'll need to look at snapshot to be sure still

[grand bluff]

Mm really? That really lowers the barrier of entry for Arena enthusiasts.

So you can play Rhamphyre only with Rhamphy = less cost to play competitively? Sweet.

But then what's the point of owning a Rhamphyre then?

[drifting torrent]

gg reborn

how wasu rv erm dodging somuch more

[grand bluff]

GG I played so bad lol

[reef basalt]

Leviathan. But as I said, gsc wanted to change this but have to confirm if it was successful

[drifting torrent]

you would of had to you lost to ME lol!

[grand bluff]

Lol I did. I got lazy and didn't change the positioning at all xD

[drifting torrent]

yee

but how was ur verm

dodging so much mroe

urs was almost 1v9ing

[grand bluff]

Umm.

[drifting torrent]

were as mine slowly die

[grand bluff]

It does have like 60 dodge chance?

[drifting torrent]

my scorpion kept having 0

i have the ame setup

but the aug that gives 20 dodge

thats more dodge then what 4th spore gives

but mine wouldnt dodge ur scorp would kick his ass lol

[grand bluff]

Because your peeps were all hitting my verm.

Which means more energy

[drifting torrent]

not the last fight the fight before

hm

[grand bluff]

Which means I cast ult faster

[drifting torrent]

so more little guys

[grand bluff]

And when verm omegas, it gains more dodge

[drifting torrent]

i think also ur scorp was reducing mine energy effiency

but literally my scorpion could not ult

at all

[grand bluff]

Uh what?

Ohhh

[drifting torrent]

u dodged like 30 autos

in a row

in the 2nd last fight

[grand bluff]

Because your scorpion missed.

[drifting torrent]

thats why i moved it

[grand bluff]

And when it misses, it reduces energy efficiency.

[drifting torrent]

yeah but he wouldnt hit a single one

it was like u had 100 percent dodge

[grand bluff]

NO lol

[drifting torrent]

i watched

[grand bluff]

I thnk it did land some attacks.

[drifting torrent]

yes early on

but the tail end of 3rd fight

i was 90% energy for like 15 autos

waiting for it to cast lol

[grand bluff]

LOL

[drifting torrent]

i wish i had replay

[grand bluff]

I guess it reduced your energy efficiency to 0?

[drifting torrent]

idk

[grand bluff]

I wsh I had too lol

[drifting torrent]

LOL

i was like this guys verm is fucking chovy or faker or something

[grand bluff]

The game likes me I guess

HAHA

But twas fun

I played so badly though

[drifting torrent]

thats why i moved my positong

[grand bluff]

Let my Monkier died 🙂

[drifting torrent]

revenge time for u

[grand bluff]

Hopefully I win, but gl

[drifting torrent]

i need the pts cause im bad

u can get them back whenver xd

[grand bluff]

Nah, I got lucky

[drifting torrent]

ready up

ur thinking too long

just go adhd mode like em

LOL

me

dont thnk jsut do what feels good kappa

bro my rangering running xd

i think the water bulwark better then what i have

gg

glad i killed

[grand bluff]

GG T.T

[drifting torrent]

or i wasa fcked

i learned from ur advice lol

[grand bluff]

I shouldn't have given you advice HAHA!

[drifting torrent]

il give u advice

have ur zerkers up front imo

in that matchup

i mean

[grand bluff]

Because that way you don't get the revenant slow?

[drifting torrent]

well ur scorp wasting time

trying to kill verm

instead of doign dps

lol

[grand bluff]

Yea true.

[drifting torrent]

even if eventually u can kill

with the anti heal

[grand bluff]

It's a fun deck though lol

[drifting torrent]

mine will fuck ur up ur team first

yee who came up with it

i might switch to ur water one

[grand bluff]

Yeah Atlas is good

So good for a 30-cost unit

[drifting torrent]

tho it will prevent verm on turn 2 i think but it seems berzerker better turn 2 anyways

[grand bluff]

I think this deck loses hard to Invokers though once the Leecher is fixed.

[drifting torrent]

which to cut tho

earth or air

wouldnt nature one be best

idk

[grand bluff]

Be best for what?

[drifting torrent]

opening

[grand bluff]

Triple nature you mean? But how?

[drifting torrent]

it has the best hyper adv based on what people currently playing no?

no

atlas

earth

i mean

atlast

nature

cardulo

nature grokko

[grand bluff]

Oh you want the hyper?

[drifting torrent]

wait im dumb

[grand bluff]

I guess. But I don't think hyper matters for bulwark units

[drifting torrent]

u need the earth

for the 3 earth

i made a enchanter grilla team that was funny once

theclones get the enchanter shieldXD

[grand bluff]

Phosphorus still the best deck though

Imo

It gets boring playing it

[drifting torrent]

i beat phos with this

earlier

pretty hard

not sure if protozaire miss playedt ho

i got this deck from him

lost with my arcanite

then i played him with this deck beat his mirror lol

then he switched to arcanite

and i beat like 785 to 0 with like 7 illvuailsleft

id need to play vs more aranite to see tho

[lean ivy]

Test

[grand bluff]

Hm because your Verm dodges?

[lean ivy]

@grand bluff yes we did change it, but in a way that still made it easy to access and adjustable so it could scale with the growth of game and general cost of decks. That was to add a free tlrotation of illuvials you could add to your deck.

This is akin to other games that have large collections like league of legends. It was also just wierd to have a stage 1 acting as a stage 3.

Ok wierd it would not let me tag patate and SJUd @reef basalt

Did youbhave that problem also?

Patate was the sponsor for this proposal and SJUD also contributed. You can find the proposal here: #1131620511210807439 message

[grand bluff]

Ohh got it. So in Arena, even if you don't have Rhamphyre for example, you can sometimes get to use it when the rotation contains Rhamphyre?

[lean ivy]

Exactly, and we can add or subtract the number of illuvials in the free rotation to make sure we have a healthy ecosystem.

[reef basalt]

Sjud got banned. Did patatae leave discord?

[grand bluff]

Ah okay thanks for the info.

[ebon pagoda]

@turbid osprey

[lean ivy]

Wow you have to make his "P" capital

[lean ivy]

Where have I been the last day?

[reef basalt]

Ooh. Learned something new today

[ebon pagoda]

discord is buggy

[pastel estuary]

anyone tried playing arena on steam deck?

[grand bluff]

Is it available on Steam Deck?

Afaik it's only on Epic Games.

[reef basalt]

You can load the epic launcher in steam deck

[drifting torrent]

scrubby

q up or custom me

so i can find a game

XD

[reef basalt]

Hahaha! I'm not even at home. When you wake up later I'll probably be online. Still got errands today

[pastel estuary]

have you tried it?

[reef basalt]

Not yet. Haven't had the time but @proven coral was able to run it on Lenovo go

[next flame]

@olive hedge 2-1 gg broski!

[olive hedge]

Gg

[proven coral]

Deck won't run it, CPU side it will struggle.

[fallen vortex]

How much is a steam deck?

[raven obsidian]

whats the bug to do with techno leecher on ryplance?

[reef basalt]

Techno leecher takes 12% from the max energy of the opposing team rather than based on the max energy of the illuvial with the augment.

With ryplance it uses its omega faster than most illuvials which means opposing illuvials will not be able to cast its omega as frequent

The way to slow it down is to use mud on ryplance and even constant stun so that it won't be able to omega much as well.

[raven obsidian]

Cheers Scruba, I know its broken because of how fast Ryplance casts and constantly seeing my teams energy drop. I just wasnt sure on how the bug worked, so thanks for clarifying

[worn thicket]

now i understand better why it's so strong on rypterus when it shouldn't. Well there's a LOT of bug abusers out there i can say that

[edgy flower]

yeah, but you cant relay on player with that, abuser will be always, point is that team think its fine and keep w8 for patch it

[worn thicket]

it's weekend mate. no dev team deploys a patch during weekends. If we don't like it we have 2 choices:

1. deal with it and simply lose respect for the people who abuse it
2. not play until it's fixed

[reef basalt]

I first saw it on axodon and assumed it was effective cause it was based on its max energy until someone shared the info that it's the other way around.

To be fair to most the bug may not have been apparent to people until it was shared here. Most would have just copied the team cause it was effective against them.

I had leecher on my team before the bug being known. Now I only use it when someone uses it against me lol

[edgy flower]

its known from Thursday, maybe earlier, but its team decision and its fine for beta, also i choose not play and lose respect at the same time KEKW

[worn thicket]

here's the thing, imo everything was fine as long as we thought it was indeed related to the holder's energy. because then people where putting it on high energy pool illuvials (which then don't cast as often and are heavily nerfed by air, and just didn't check the numbers. I have myself plaied double techno leech on water virtuous lynx in a tournament like 2 patches ago. Then people realized recently that it's bugged and works the other way around so they start putting it in the LOWEST energy pool illuvial (scorpion) to abuse that interaction.

I agree, you can't stop players to do everything they can for wins, even exploiting bugs or worse. Doesn't mean i have to respect those individuals.

[worn thicket]

yeah it was known on thursday and friday we got a note from Ben saying: it's internally fixed but we have nobody available to make the deploy (different team) so it will be fixed asap. Remember that unlike many Dev teams in gaming, Illuvium has a 100% remote and worldwide team, so when we get closer from weekends or holidays things may be a bit tricky to deal with, like if the QA team solved a bug in the US morning of friday, the Deploy team in Australia is already off for the weekend at that time. That kind of thing.

Not saying this is what happened or where the teams are based or anything. just saying take into account that this kind of situations probably happen pretty often with Illuvium because of the Worldwide remote team

[reef basalt]

For sure. I understand your position on this and everyone has the right to their own opinion for this. Hopefully it will become moot sooner than later and just chalk this up again to the fact we're in beta

[blissful zephyr]

Do anyone know when is the next iteration of arena ?

[worn thicket]

personal guess is hotfix patch for techno leecher by monday/tuesday, actual patch thursday/friday-ish

[cyan olive]

it is even underperforming on e.g. axodon which is funny, if not bugged it would be way better on tsunami 200 energy units

I still think some of the "bug abusers" comments are weird, like are we supposed to not play 5 bulwarks, cause anti resistance augments don´t work properly?
It is just something being stronger or weaker than it should be, similar to a balance thing, if you want to play to win, which most people do, just accept the fair rules everyone else is having in an online game.
There is a big difference between do these crazy clicks with your mouse and heal your units bugs (TFT had that in recent season lol) or a unit or item beig better/worse than intended.

Also to give some perspective to bugs etc. look at season 1 TFT, almost every week there was a new super broken unintended thing happening, me and many friends were part of first ever challenger players back then, stuff can always be better, but this early access had less insane balance/bugs issues than e.g. TFT season 1 with frozen heart, ionic spark, lockets, etc.

Patch and game would prob be worse with non bugged techno leecher due to axodon/geyser/flud being almost 2x better with it then even.

[cursive echo]

I like bug, they give us funny memories😆

[cyan olive]

true, like leomane and me could reminisce about all the TFT bugs

[cursive echo]

I tested a team with the penguins, there is so much potential but they are missing a little upgrade to make them playable🙏

I'll stop playing the bird if you up the penguin ' team illuvium 🙏🙏🎁

[wheat moth]

Hi, Verdant / Toxic is to powerful or I am to weak. What is your strategy against Verdant / Toxic ?

[cursive echo]

Arcanite 😆

[worn tree]

I open debate:

Wouldn't it be nice if the dominant part of a composite affinity counted towards that subaffinity?

Example: Rhamphyre Phantom (rogue dominant). So besides from counting as phantom, also counts as rogue.

I know this would change the meta considerably, but it would makes comps more complex and scaling 😍

[wheat moth]

Sure ?

[uncut comet]

healing reduction augment also op against that

[worn tree]

Cheap fighters with pure dmg or arcanite starts winning past turn 3-4 aprox. Also depends on what the enemy builds. Mud can fuck arcanite up if properly played.

[regal marsh]

But would make composite Class to much power . no ?

[worn tree]

I get your point. But, if properly adjusted, I think it but be great.

[cursive echo]

nop

[wheat moth]

Which fighter do you recommend ?

[worn tree]

Small pho, rypterus, lesser earth doka, lesser monkier, etc. a lot of good options

[wheat moth]

Is a setup doc available about the specs ?

[worn tree]

No what lol

[wheat moth]

I hate if i permanent loose against toxic / verdant team

For the future (open beta) I think it is very good to know which iluvials I want to hold and which are for sale

[edgy flower]

we had this in PVE like bug, it was too OP, imagine my psion team where ramph count as psion or just get full bonus from 7 psions, it will break whole game, and for what exactly? All we need is solve useless trait like behemoth or vanguard to playble

[lilac grail]

and with the old PVE expertise. it remove flexibility in your deck. if you play bullwark. your gonna play likely all what is bullwark concerned.
When in the actual case. you can have 2 invoker 2 colossus and just put what you actually need. more fun to play.

[cursive echo]

Mud can fuck arcanite up if properly played. (I do not think so)

[reef basalt]

cleanse just removes the slow though

[worn tree]

I am not sure about it. Sometimes it feels like it doesnt... Or maybe new mud stacks slow as down very fast again.

Mud line is very strong. If they aggro pho or phyriox they get nulified pretty hard

[uncut comet]

yeah cant impossible

[worn tree]

Alright sure thx for the input

[uncut comet]

only if u get the 1500 hp augment for predator monkey

[worn tree]

Gr8 inight

[reef basalt]

goodness bird is just op

[worn tree]

If you let it bloom enough sure it is one strong fuck

[lavish moss]

Hi Guys, just one question.. If I would like to do 4 shock how do I do that?? I can see that there is an illuvitar shock plus the ranger(air + fire), but the other 2?

I assume to 4 shock I need an augment from the poll but how do i do the third?

[lilac grail]

you wait the missing units :p

[drifting torrent]

Agree

[lilac grail]

i think one will be revenant shock if i'm right

[reef basalt]

one additional shock thats coming is the red panda line. The third stage is shock

[grand bluff]

@reef basalt Bird is OP :3

Solo tank, solo dps, strong carry even without augments

Can't wait for bloom berserker illuvial :3

[zenith bough]

Cleanse is bugged and doesn’t work. Only the immune part works. Been like this since the beginning

[median compass]

hey guys, thought id reach out and see if anyone was interested in doing some practising and training together at some point in pvp? i could really use someone who is well diversed in multiple decks to play and practice with if anyone is interested 🙂

but also if you are very new i am happy to give some tips and decks to get you improved too! 🙂

[turbid osprey]

@median compass You should come take a look in Hyperion, we have many people playing, studying and theory crafting in voice and different channels all the time ⚔️

[median compass]

sounds interesting! I think i saw you in some of the inferno streams playing too! 😄 how have you been finding the tournaments so far?

[turbid osprey]

Very good, the production level and organisation is top notch 🔥 🍃

I like how you guys adjusted single elim and rooms directly on the site following feedback

[median compass]

can you send me an invite or let me know the discord name so I can find the right server? 🙂

[turbid osprey]

Cant post link, you can find us in #1169004294473793597

[civic grotto]

@worn thicket I got lucky that game 😬

[worn thicket]

oh it's you? well just one more survival protocol diff lmao

monkey supposed to be dead for 6s still keeps applying mud to my snake, balanced augment really

[civic grotto]

I feel like survival protocol is gonna go away from the game

[worn thicket]

or have a totally different effect that just doesn't make you survive INFINITE amount of dmg like it is now

[raven obsidian]

techno leecher is so annoying man

[mental lodge]

why are these classes that form other classes and other classes that are standalone?

[raven obsidian]

#🎮〕illuvium-arena message

see this for a better understanding of composite classes

and affinities

[mental lodge]

ok i cant zoom in though 😄

[safe valve]

It's usually based on the Stage of the illuvials.
Stage 1 Base affinity + class
Stage 2 is one base and one Composite
Stage 3 Composite class/affinity

[mental lodge]

ok gotta start from scratch 😄
whats an affinity and whats a class?
affinity is element, right? and 2 affinities make a class? is that it?

aaaaaaaa ok
affinity is element (5)
and class is the type (also 5)

so you can combine 2 affinities
but you can also combine 2 classes?

[naive mantle]

and then the composite classes and affinities

[safe valve]

Exactly

[naive mantle]

yes like fighter + fighter = berserker, fighter+bulwark= behemoth

[safe valve]

Well you can't, the illuvials do that while evolving 🙃

[naive mantle]

true lol

[mental lodge]

ok so...
a stage 1 illuvial will have a normal affinity and a normal class
than a stage 2 will have 1 normal affinity or class and 1 composite... cause you can fuse 2 illuvials from different classes or affinities? is that it?

[naive mantle]

not neccesarly, like squizz is the only illuvial that at stage one has a composite class

illuvials can only be fused with exact same illuvial

[mental lodge]

a of course theres gotta be exceptions too 😄

but how do they evolve then?

[naive mantle]

these classes and affinities are glued to the illuvials, and they stack as you play them in an arena game

3 atlas at max level can evolve into one axon

3 axon at max level can evolve in one axodon

its more of a fuse than an evolve

[mental lodge]

so you gotta fuse them though. right?

[naive mantle]

yep, it wont happen automatically

i believe it also uses resources, maybe Hyperion i think

[mental lodge]

ok
but you cant fuse them if they dont have the same affinity. right?

what about class?

oh. the class will always be the same right?

[naive mantle]

yes sir!

every atlas will ahve the same class and affinity as an other atlas

[mental lodge]

what about other illuvials? is this a rule for all of them?

[naive mantle]

that being said, each illuvial can still have different stats. one atlas can be better than an other. but always same class/affinity. This is not implemented yet, the leveling system will come with Overworld

yessir

[safe valve]

It's already in... AT least a Base Version of it

[mental lodge]

but i think i saw illuvials that can have different affinities although its the same one
no?

[safe valve]

No

[naive mantle]

is the level system in the beta rn? i havent touched overworld in a bit but totally will if the level thing is in

[naive mantle]

sorta

[safe valve]

Yep totally also random stats afaik

[naive mantle]

so the illuvials that have composite synergies, IE Sear is Magma, will be dominate in either fire or earth

like the 5 main affinities is what everything is come from. if something is shock, it is either air or fire dominate

[safe valve]

Just farmed a bit of Ranger gear yet. But Looks leveling and stats are in, also already required for fusing

[drifting torrent]

gg style hard matchup for you was a valiant effort

[mental lodge]

allright i see now
i think the only exception is the lynx right?

[naive mantle]

holy i will go check it out! what are people thinking so far of the scaling and leveling?

[naive mantle]

yes thats true, the lynxs have options and choices. like Eeeve 🙂

[safe valve]

The feedback i saw was pretty much positive all over the place from pb3 OW

[mental lodge]

allright
is there a chart for all illuvials and their corresponding class and affinity then?

[naive mantle]

just sent you a link but disord bot blocked it

[mental lodge]

wait. grokko can have any affinity as well. no?

[naive mantle]

yeah sorta,

those are all t0 illuvials

[mental lodge]

in pm?

[naive mantle]

they available in every class and affinity

ill try dm

[mental lodge]

aaa here ok

ok sure

[naive mantle]

yeah dm worked
this is a pretty good website created by some of the community

[mental lodge]

who?

[drifting torrent]

can we farm stuff in overworld trhat will be available in main game/

[naive mantle]

yes, just not right now since we arent on blockchain yet

[mental lodge]

whats the main game

[drifting torrent]

I meant outside beta

When everything done

[naive mantle]

personally i think the Arena is the main game\

[drifting torrent]

Like is there any pt to play it now other then for fun / getting used to it

[naive mantle]

no beta will get clean wiped, besides the odd things the team has mentioned

[drifting torrent]

What things don't get wiped

[naive mantle]

its mostly for fun right now. i heard rumors of leaderboard rewards (money) coming soon before beta ends though

[safe valve]

I would argue, Arena is the first side game.
But who really cares what's mal n game and what not 🙃

[naive mantle]

anything you own as an actual NFT. some emotes, land blueprints, etc

[drifting torrent]

I really gotta get myself a piece of land

Any recommendations on what tog et

[naive mantle]

its all illuvium i guess :p whats great is we hit so many playerbases and they are all technically playing iluvium even if its a different game

[naive mantle]

depends if you;re aiming for blueprints or fuel

[mental lodge]

i think arena will be the only competitive mode though. right?
but the main idea of illuvium is to capture illuvials like pokemon so thats why its overworld, right?

[drifting torrent]

Idk what should I aim for lol

Is there a point of blueprints if u don't have fuel

[naive mantle]

personally i think its important to make sure the land has all the unique element sites. some have 2 lakes and 1 carbon deposit, missing the crystal mine

idk tbh, im personally going for blueprints so i got a few T1 lands. they arent better for BPs, they're just cheaper and have almost the same BP finding power

[drifting torrent]

minting them is free now/

like it dont even cost eth as a transaction?

[naive mantle]

yes only until Feb 3, its free/gasless because we use IMX<3

[drifting torrent]

oh shit

[safe valve]

Yea i think so.
Like, if there is coming a cart racer where you also can use illuvials, it's Hard to argue Arena is the Main game, when you have 2 Games using assets out of the other game

[mental lodge]

why arent they better though?

[drifting torrent]

u cant buy land with ilv tho right