🎮〕illuvium-arena

[safe stirrup]

@west quartz never ever move ur illuvials ever again, its okay @cyan olive i got you safe

[tight swift]

damn gg @cyan olive

[stiff seal]

Yeeahh gg @formal crown 😅

[tight swift]

gg @formal crown

[formal crown]

gg man trying out some new tech

[tight swift]

If I didn't have such an offensive deck, you would beat me

[worldly jolt]

Oh maybe you mean aggressive.

[zenith bough]

Or maybe it was another word that got misspelled by one letter 🤭

[worn thicket]

If anyone here is tired like me of having to juggle with only 5 Teams they can upvote this https://discord.com/channels/760344898200666112/1186376498672849008

we are only a couple of upvotes away from getting it voted by the council

[worn tree]

Thx sir

Otherwise the stats we low af

[edgy flower]

@opaque cape good luck 🙂

yep

[vivid stirrup]

gg!

so close 😄 haha insane

run it back! you not gonna get that lucky again

[edgy flower]

you play bird comp you cant complain ;D

i prefer to play my ramph comp but its impossible to win agains bird, 0 chanses

so it is what it is

[wicked cloak]

I mean you could position your units so that it’s not tanking all 8 of them

[vivid stirrup]

you beat me in the first match and now you are calling out bug abuse? haha wtf im just playing the game brotha relax

[wicked cloak]

What deck u playing?

[edgy flower]

he cant 😄

[wicked cloak]

What big is it?

[vivid stirrup]

this is still my same account ive been using for over a week, get over yourself buddy

[wicked cloak]

Bug

[vivid stirrup]

check my twitter

posted it there

[wicked cloak]

Ah nice, I prefer collosus verdant with mud berserker mystic but that’s pretty solid

[wicked cloak]

You still running that rogue deck? I hate running into you in tanked Lolo, too clean

Ranked

[edgy flower]

no i cant coz of bird comp, use invokers to farm birds now

[wicked cloak]

Ah noice, yeah invokers are pretty strong right now

[vivid stirrup]

not even close fo real this time 😉

[honest pawn]

Im avoiding all of these by playing TFT

but TFT sucks too, so no winning

they do that in League, but we are still in beta

I dont think they care

they fact people can make unlimited account already killed the ladder

lol that's so bad

[bronze canopy]

whats the interaction there

to get so much mana back

[honest pawn]

yeah, I had to hard grind from 1300 to 1800 for 3 days when people can just make a new account and get to higher rank in 5 games

yolo

[bronze canopy]

oh LOL

[coarse echo]

banned is a bit extreme. but I would highly recommend people don't play this combo on ladder, as it is completely busted and not good for competitive spirit.

[edgy flower]

think devs should fix it like in hour, and if you know about it 3 day already you should let them and all us know that exist, problem is not in using bug, but now fixing it more then 3 day LOL

[coarse echo]

I will do my best to make the team aware and see if we can get a hotfix out soon, but it's close to the holidays, so no promises

[wicked cloak]

Yeah playing bugs is stupid, defeats the purpose of actually coming up with a good deck that you used your brain and strategy to create

[honest pawn]

Im not sure if they can hot fix something on the spot like Riot or temporarily disable something

[edgy flower]

how it happen that even your teammate from illuvium team find out it nowm when you already knew it for 3 day? :DDD

you should report it, not playng sherlock to understand out how it works LOL

[coarse echo]

just chill guys. hopefully anyone paying attention to this chat becomes aware of the situation, and we'll see what we can do about it

[edgy flower]

if devs know about bug for 3 days and do shit, then i dont know what to say

[topaz lake]

This was not known at all on our side.

[civic grotto]

I stand by my statement

its so cancer to play against full water tsunami, rly feels like something is wrong in there

[topaz lake]

We'll check and see what we can do, and I'll post here once we have a solution

[honest pawn]

people have been playing that since day one

[coarse echo]

we're working on it now.

[lilac grail]

I mean. i didn't even see it playing mud enchanter.. just saw the regen from the autoattack but never had regen from enchanter 😮

the fun fact is that smartass was saying some hour ago : " I don't loose against this echanter mud comp". when we didn't know there was this bug. And then someone exploit it a bit more, maybe without knowing this. and now. it's to much for you so you leak it ?

[raven obsidian]

is ranked safe to play or is everyone using the broken team?

okay cool, hope devs can do hot fix soonish. understandable that its xmas holidays tho

[west plume]

was this streamed?

[vivid stirrup]

dont make accusations about things you are just assuming. i used steam invoker to climb with this account. on my youtube channel you can find the video proof 🙂

[vivid stirrup]

i probably haven't fully figured it out yet, but got stomped by viper and stomped smartass in the second game. i think for now you are good to go bro

[vivid stirrup]

got the recording! ^^

ok lets que at 22:00 if you dare!

[west plume]

Stream please

[frank moon]

how many hexes is the hex grid in arena?

[raven obsidian]

sweet, thanks man

[edgy flower]

btw you think you can beat my invoker deck with your bird comp?

[cursive echo]

stream 🔥

[raven obsidian]

that bird just doesnt die

okay okay

[cursive echo]

bird+ indomitable ?

[edgy flower]

dont think with my positiong there is a way to lose against bird so

if you use 1 spot for aug to indomitable then you will not even kill my frontline

no i go to sleep now, im fine with 1:0 in ranked few hours ago hehe

yeah, will do that, i saw caveman and dont want to step his way againt you KEKW

[vivid stirrup]

sry gotta bounce! another time for sure

[acoustic sigil]

Bloom is absolutely fine they said

[raven obsidian]

what does lethargic do?

[bronze canopy]

makes you crave a sandwich without the will to go and make it

[raven obsidian]

story of my life bro

[bronze canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/sadge-guitar-mills-song-pepe-gif-18595045

but i think it reduces mana gain, or completely prevents it

for a period of time

[raven obsidian]

oky thanks Shabby

[civic grotto]

I like sending new accounts to shadow realm

[worldly jolt]

https://tenor.com/view/its-very-satisfying-sungwon-cho-prozd-its-pleasant-so-delightful-gif-26431681

[acoustic sigil]

playing bloome every game = your life must be very sad

[bronze canopy]

I find it funny that smartass is shaming bug abuses

while abusing empaths all the way to rank 1

kek

[west plume]

Whats the point?

[bronze canopy]

not the point, they were bugged with the shield overlapping

yea this is pretty bad kek

there are like 10 different things that are still broken now

nobody knows about them

nobody plays anything novel

[coarse echo]

You try the triple squid tech yet?

[bronze canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/youve-got-to-be-squidding-me-its-as-shrimple-as-that-shrimple-squid-gif-26786461

[coarse echo]

It's shockingly novel

[bronze canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/double-dab-dance-cool-dad-gif-12990287711105363123

empath = bad

thats why

me no like

nerf

[midnight sonnet]

same xd

[velvet wyvern]

servers down?
Counter just stopped during the game

[supple cave]

playing on the 1500-1600s is the best. a lot of people trying different things. nt always the same meta decks. fun to enjoy the game, think strategies, test things etc

I made a second account, bizarre decks, lost the first matches to go down, now its fun times going back up haha

[lament frigate]

wp @opaque cape, nice 2x we played the last two rounds. These two legendary augments early won me the round in the end 🙂

Well call it what you want.

You could have positioned differently.

Not my bad that you run into the wrong side.

well yeah, you gambled

on me

that I would move

haha

nah

cause then you would have won both rounds.

Which you didn't

Match history dosen't lie

now it's a 5-5 I guess.

I wouldn't have thought you cannot even accept a loss

Well obv. you dosen't.

[scarlet spindle]

You can use Malura for that, their charm pulls mobs out of packs similar to taunt. And he is a Vanguard

[lament frigate]

But whatver

I will leave it at this point.

ggs anyways.#

Well it does.

But why you haven't done the same?

you could have easily won

if you would have placed int he middle

since I didnt moved 3x times.

my carries.

yeah

but just 4,5 seconds bro

and not even 6 seconds inv.,

That gave me the time I needed

to get the rest of your units before they get mine

ggs.

Well and I'm just saying, you could have won as well.

If you simply would have done the same with your grokko

what I did with my Flare

Which bug your talking about?

These are simply the augments I placed.

Which aren't even bugged.

lol

cheers

[vivid stirrup]

looks like you try to force them tho 🤔

the guy tried to stop talking to you like 3 times 😅

[plain dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/salty-heath-ledger-the-dark-knight-dark-knight-why-so-salty-gif-6124623

[supple cave]

that sounds like crying to me

[lament frigate]

Nah, you re-positioned 3x times and my snake was left top middle ... and 3x times your bird missed my snake, soooo if you tell a story - tell the real one bro! 😉

[vivid stirrup]

you are again making accusations based on assumptions. not a good look..
nothing was knowingly abused. this was me playing the game. i didn't even know about the bug until you brought it up. and again i have proof for that live on stream. take a deep breath and calm down.

[civic grotto]

gg @opaque cape

[fair hemlock]

excuses! 😛

comedian > smartass confirmed!

oh you won? lol

[lament frigate]

Nah, you started typing after the game was over for the record - bro stop making things up which aren't true at all! 😉

Alright for me dude.

If it's not possible to have a truthful conversation with you - I truly appreciate that!

If your changing your attude, I'm always open for consens.

For real bro, no offense - never meant to offend you in any way! But what's triggering you so hard?

Just curious.

[twin mortar]

Feel like every time I peep the Arena chat this guy complaining about something lol. If its not fun leave?

[supple cave]

that mud enchanter bug was an important find. Glad everyone knows and WILL NOT PLAY as they fix it

[twin mortar]

just gonna leave this here...

[dark vine]

starring at this really helps to understand new stuff ...

[scarlet spindle]

It's like when I play an Only Teir 0 team and lose to a double energy ramphyre in one nuke, and then get mad at them for being so dishonorable doing something like that to my superbly placed and synergized masterpiece. How dare they!

[cursive echo]

@dark vine FULL bug ....

[dark vine]

yeah thought so... :/

you weren't able to play last round right?

I guess I lost now?

[cursive echo]

I reconnected but it crashed, no idea

I hope they will fix these bugs before the game releases

[dark vine]

yeah, I lost rating >.< Always fun if you can't see a single round playout

but gg I guess (even if I don't know what happened 😄 )

[cursive echo]

thank you awesome victory 🤣

[topaz lake]

gg @opaque cape :))

[lament frigate]

Just for the record, I have got 96 hours so far 😉

But wish all the best bro, merry christmas & happy new year - may force/peace be with you! 🙂

[smoky python]

@topaz lake Can we get an estimate on when the bug will be patched?

[wicked forum]

Hey. Is there a badge list name? Or the rank badges is only visual?

[south glacier]

#🚰〕leaks message

[worn thicket]

Pick and ban system is officially coming!!!

[reef basalt]

https://tenor.com/view/its-as-it-should-be-paul-giamatti-chuck-rhoades-billions-it-must-be-gif-17104401

[dark vine]

a 450 omega cast from dualeph + a 450 omega hit from a 70 mastery gauntlet aren't enough to take down a 45 second triple bloom terrorbird.... I guess we should nerf empath

[dark vine]

well that would mean we have a 27 card meta deck and use three different cards to complete the team at the moment... and rock paper scissor principle would make banning easy.. not sure if this works

[coarse echo]

you're making some serious assumptions on how the system would work...

[junior geyser]

the game is broken, ive played 4 games in a row with bugs. gives me too many mastery points to spend then wont let me spend them at all. other games just freeze before the round starts. sort of frustrating.

already reported the bug a few times

[wicked cloak]

Yeah that has been a big issue and I’m sure that’s one of the main things they are working on, that is the entire point of a beta, to find these bugs and get them sorted out, I think it would be very naive to expect the arena to be perfect and fully functional 2 weeks after the release of the first beta

[junior geyser]

of course, its not like i dont understand what a beta is my friend..

its just odd these bugs were not in the first 2 weeks

[junior geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/spider-man-we-one-gif-18212100

[edgy bough]

im working with 2 but havent gone all 3 yet ⚡ shock is so fun, cant wait for Tiru line

[fallen vortex]

🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 God this chat is wild

This has nothing to do with the bug but I've always been curious on the enchanter interaction. If you have 4 Illuvials surrounding something and your enchanter casts. Is that like 500 pure damage?

[lean junco]

Can you imagine people like that having more ego than Elon Musk because they are good at a video game? to a video game!

[wicked cloak]

Hmm that’s weird, I’ve had all those since day one, it’s been annoying but it is what it is I guess

[junior geyser]

much more playable then, oh well.. its a beta amirite kek

[grim crescent]

wow) just get 0 points for win.. is it legit?

[marsh bloom]

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[zenith bough]

If you only use the points that you’re ’allowed to spend (R1=100, R2=100, R3=120, R4=140 and so on) you can play the game as normal. Although it’s a bit annoying keeping track of it. 🙂

[junior geyser]

i tried even a 20 cost augment and it didnt work 😦

[lunar pebble]

how many TL d1sk did you buy? is there any advatange to buy multiple?

[bronze canopy]

every bonus should be writen on the TL disk page

[lunar pebble]

hmm. alright.. will check. ty

[halcyon nova]

just hide in casual thats where the true champions play ....lol

on only 38% win recod since thaey started counting but they missed my glorious early win streak

[bronze canopy]

did they fix the enchanther bug ?

or can i freelo to 3k

[halcyon nova]

and i had a 3 day hangover after my beer day

[crimson geyser]

Anyone knows how much cost a D1SK Wave 1 at launch? Was it $40 like those available now?

[hoary mason]

Is cardolox with colossal ranger 2x colossal 2x toxic the best possible starting play or what can counter that first play?

[noble radish]

===========================================

Just wanted to give everyone a heads up here about our plans for Illuvium: Arena in the very short term (just after Xmas).

Originally the game was designed to have a bunch of simple systems that, when they interacted together, would emerge into something complex. This would allow us to give small moments of narrative where the new player says "Oh, I get it. That was a good thing I did" or "Oh damn, I made a mistake."

For people who have played these games for years, they get it pretty quickly. That means that there is some good stuff there that we can work with. But we definitely could have done better, especially for new players.

Subtle things like making the synergy VFX really prominent so that when you put 3 water you go "WOW, that did something." Then we can direct you to look at what you did and see "Ok, energy sounds good!". After you master one system, then you can master another, and another, until you've mastered them all... then get back to the start and realise that you really didn't master anything and that your gold rank isnt' good enough, then grind for platinum.

Then there are other things where we will overhaul a bit more, to get back in line with what people expect, and our original mission statement, so that the game acts as its own tutorial. (A tutorial is coming as well)

Then there are things that were always planned, but not for this release because of time constraints. Things like improvements to teambuilding (especially how long it takes) and matchmaking. I've even had thoughts of a simple tier 0 mode so that the number of choices is much smaller. It's not a tutorial but it might be a good 'intro' version. Additionally there will be bots to play against, and I think this is one of the best things we can do. Personally, when I start a new game, I always play bots so I don't get wrecked, because I don't like that. Having bots will allow people to experiment and get good at the game. Plus new Arenas to play with, and all sorts of cosmetic upgrades.

I say this because we're definitely going to break a few eggs as we get the game into a fun state that everyone can be happy with. This means you might find imbalances, and you might find some instabilities (though mostly they will be gone). The majority of the feedback here has been constructive and I really appreciate that. There is always going to be the loud minority who feel entitled to have everything perfect and fixed immediately. We don't let them bother us, and they shouldn't bother you either.

I'm so excited for next year and what we will bring.

===========================================

Also we're introducing Bubble Gum Affinity.

[bronze canopy]

weak versus earth strong versus water?

hopefully when you bond a ranger with that affinity she says 'Chew on this"

[wheat sable]

The hyper stuff/yellow bar is the most confusing for me, rest I can manage slowly

[fair hemlock]

Im intrigued 👀

[noble radish]

Hyper is getting a ui rework and a change to how it functions.

You’ll see the bar kind of explode when you hit full hyper. Plus your power will grow with hyper (as now) but then give you a double boost exactly when you hit full hyper.

Numbers to be determined but you’ll feel a really good reward for putting your unit around things it counters and you’ll be on the edge of your seat going “get hyper now!!!” It will be a game swinging moment.

You’ll also know more intuitively that you have placed the right affinities in the right places so you can see it at a glance.

[reef basalt]

Hope the legendary bidding will be revised. Simply giving an additional token and 5 augments to choose from would change the dynamics.

[edgy flower]

When can we expect new illuvials lines in the game, at least those who have already announced?

[noble radish]

There are small changes already done, like only showing synergy chips if they are in the combined illuvial list.

Maybe there are some tweaks like you say, but honestly I think it’s doing alright. I think the costing is probably the only issue. They shouldn’t be balanced around cost. I’d like them to be free.

[noble radish]

Sadly we have announced literally everything from set 1 so the answer is just “over the next month”.

[bronze canopy]

You want legendary augements to be free?

I would support the affinity/class chips to be free (maybe), but significant powerups could be problematic

[edgy flower]

There are 6 lines not in the game now, if you guys add at least 3 of them in 1 month that would be awesome for sure 😉

[west quartz]

what bug ?

[west quartz]

i tried it before the patch and i couldn't make it work, did the patch make it stronger or is there a comp i'm not aware of ?

[reef basalt]

I agree. Theres a dynamic where you weigh do i put this legendary augment down or do i put another illuvial on the board. Those micro decisions are necessary

[west quartz]

what's the bugggg

[edgy flower]

We just expect 2 new illuvials with shock, then it will be real shock

[bronze canopy]

why you need to know so bad

dont think about it ;p

[west quartz]

out of curiosity

had plenty of games where i don't know how i lost/won, could be nice to have an explanation

[twilit storm]

https://tenor.com/view/wow-fascinating-interesting-fake-sure-gif-4110253572494542171

[bronze canopy]

Mud units steal energy with damagin opponents. Enhancter puts a damaging shield on allies. You make ranger an Tsunami enchanter - on cast regains 40% of energy from tsunami, and like 50% of energy from damaging enemies with Mud allies shielded

so its cast cast cast cast

[west quartz]

ohhhh

[hot pond]

Where can you see how much energy regen a unit has? Or is it always the same ?

[west quartz]

that explains why i started seing random axodon in mud comps xD

[west quartz]

but if ranger is tsunami it can't be mud aswell, is that the bug ? counting as both ?

[bronze canopy]

it doesnt need to be mud

thats the bug

[west quartz]

or does the fact to shield mud units makes iot gain energy just like a mud unit dealing damage ?

[bronze canopy]

yep

[west quartz]

gotcha

ty

[smoky python]

While the legendary augment system needs a tweak, making them free certainly isn't the right path to go down right now.

[lament frigate]

For real, @raven grove ?

[smoky python]

?

[lament frigate]

It's bugged.

/rigged.

[bronze canopy]

i dont see and enchanter there

[smoky python]

I dont think Philipp understands

[lament frigate]

Wasn't it mud?

Then I didn't read enough into the bug discussion yesterday

I thought it was mud

[bronze canopy]

#🎮〕illuvium-arena message

[lament frigate]

My bad in this case.

[brazen quarry]

Looks like I'll have to play PvP again

[bronze canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/hmm-suspect-gif-22611582

get that rank 1 before they fix it

then switch to an alt

to not loose rank

thats the play

[brazen quarry]

Can you link me the deck? 😛

[bronze canopy]

you think i have it lol

[wheat sable]

Alts with payed assets will be costly 😂

[smoky python]

Why?

[edgy flower]

Real respect for patate, he was 2050, and kept playing and losing points instead of making smurfs

[bronze canopy]

i was 1999 and now probably sub 1700

[west quartz]

SA just showed me the video, it's a wild bug, you do not want to play this :p

[bronze canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/champoy-el-risitas-kek-issou-etu-gif-17837830

[west quartz]

didn't we all ?

[smoky python]

Nah there are a bunch of people who made like 15 accounts

[brazen quarry]

If it's broken, I wanna play it

[west quartz]

it's legit bug abuse xD

[bronze canopy]

like the scoriox augement bug abuse wasnt abused

everybody and their mom abused that augement

for a week straight

[edgy flower]

I mean not on the 1st day after 5 games, but when he really earned that points

[smoky python]

Yup

[brazen quarry]

I need the deck to learn the bug and make a deck to defeat it

[west quartz]

what's the point though :p

[smoky python]

Because they get to make clickbait articles and videos showing their rank

[bronze canopy]

to fill the emptiness on the inside

or that

[smoky python]

Then they get exposed when playing in tournaments

[west quartz]

only counter play is to swat your opponent, or playing against someone really stupid xD

[brazen quarry]

Arena chat so selfish

[west quartz]

i mean i get the point of having an alt if you're too high in rank and can't find any matches, but why bother making 15

[bronze canopy]

winning > losing

[west quartz]

99% of the audience is at 1500, don't need a 2100 elo account to flew on them xD

[worn thicket]

yep im one of them even though i only plaied 1 xD

[lament frigate]

The question which must be asked, how many unique active players has the game truly.

[bronze canopy]

50-100

tops

[lament frigate]

Even after almost 5 of Team Liquids streamers streamed Illuvium - with an average of over 1k viewers, the follower count on Illuvium hasn't truly moved.

Regarding to twitch.

Neither does it feel like the unique player base.

[bronze canopy]

having big streamers stream is one thing

[lament frigate]

Based on my last were I played round about 100 hours.

[bronze canopy]

but illuvium needs to have a streamer base of its own

[lament frigate]

*week

[bronze canopy]

so that those viewers can follow up on the game if they wish to

but they go to the category

nobody is there

and personally right now i dont want to stream the game

its mind numbingly boring

[west quartz]

i'm working on it, should start streaming at the end of the week

[lament frigate]

I'm not saying Illuvium does everything wrong. Just pointing out some important key points in my opinion which should be truly taken serious!

[bronze canopy]

second/third iteration of the pvp

should fix most things

[lament frigate]

I hope so!

Hopefully we gonna see more varity as well then, instead of the same 2 decks which are the only two playable once atm.

[bronze canopy]

the reason there is no variety

is becaue building a competitivce deck is hard

and takes a lot of time

[west quartz]

game isn't AI balanced yet

[lament frigate]

If you don't wanna get crashed super hard for a single small mistake.

[bronze canopy]

its easier to copy

[west quartz]

this should create a much more balanced game, with more variety

[smoky python]

lol at this

[lament frigate]

If you choose as NONE ex pro player of any other game to play no meta decks.

[lament frigate]

Couldn't agree more.

I liked your idea of finding someone

building out decks.

Cause it's way to complex!

[west quartz]

worst case scenario, they'll human balance it, and it should improve overtime

[bronze canopy]

you can make a decent living right now from making decks for money

if you want to spend the effort and the time

some ppl will pay

[lament frigate]

For any normal web2 gamer - no way that they gonna contribute all the time into this to just understand creatures and augments from the start without truly playing the game!

[smoky python]

It really isn't complex though. Just most people here dont have experience in strategy games.

[lament frigate]

Everyone who believes this is living in his own little dream world.

[brazen quarry]

Can't even find a game in casual

[west quartz]

i don't really get it when people say the game is too complex tbh, really looks easy to learn hard to master to me

[smoky python]

Everyone knows you're bug abusing so logged off

[brazen quarry]

https://tenor.com/view/terminator2-ill-be-back-arnold-schwarzenegger-i-will-be-back-brb-gif-27347908

[lament frigate]

Neither do you find anyone in ranked who is not the same person 3x times in a row.

Platin

[west quartz]

if you're gonna bug abuse fraggy just call the backend team and ask them to pump your elo :p

[west quartz]

yeah that's annoying af, i'm tired of Elo boosting SA

[lament frigate]

All this smurfers playing in lower elo brakets. I'm truly tierd of it as well!

And I do not even wanna know how somebody must feel who is new to the game!

[brazen quarry]

How much does this cost

[lament frigate]

Who doesn't has any knowledge and might even be someone who just gave it a chance cause one of his fav. streamers (for example Broxah) streamed it!

[west quartz]

nah he plays his main accounts, but whenever i tag him i hit hiom 5 times in a row and is costly xD

[west quartz]

you're the one witha ccess to the ilv stazff, you should know better than us :p

[lament frigate]

I mean do not get me wrong her, the graphics and the looks of the Illuvials are MIND BLOWING GOOD! Like I have never seen a game that good designed!

Loving it - I'm just done playing for now 20 times the same guyz in the last few dayz who belong to diamond and higher if there would be some more players.

[worn thicket]

on a daily basis?i'd say less than 100

it really is pretty much always the same names we see both online and in this chat...

btw @brazen quarry am i reading it right? you're playing mud enchanter to boost your elo?

[smoky python]

It's gotta be more than 100

[brazen quarry]

I don't give a F about elo, I'm playing a game and I like winning

If you would be reading it right, you would have seen I was looking for games in casual

[worn thicket]

dirty. No respect for that mindset. Winning comes with effort. Winning with no effort by using exploits is meaningless. have fun in your adventure.

[brazen quarry]

[worn thicket]

i'm gonna quote a video i saw recently: "Yeah i bet there are a lot of happy cheaters out there!"

#IYKYK

[civic grotto]

Has mud/enchanter been patched?

[smoky python]

Nope

[topaz lake]

gg @twilit storm

[twilit storm]

? gg but..nick ingame?

let me guess...the invoker madness oppo?

btw please fix the monkey enchanter glitch..coz..it s really embarassing 🤢

[raven obsidian]

Cant beat em, join em init Fraggy.

[brazen quarry]

Ah I just wanted to see how it works

[civic grotto]

Has anyone managed to build decent behemoth team that can compete vs other meta teams?

[worn thicket]

nah behemoth is just too trash, i keep losing elo trying xD Jotun is just really not worth it's price and mud/Siphon matrix + the 103840 disables in the game really hurt behemoth big time because they're melee like berserkers, but with a way higher energy pool so even trying to play Temporal safeguard on them is just not worth it 😦

[cyan olive]

very bad meta for the synergy, can´t kill invoker, but they kill you and mud atk speed debuff is hard to deal with
also expensive meele units aren´t great into toxic as well

we´d need more rogue or simple fighter(not Mud/Toxic berserker) heavy meta for behemoth to shine as a counter with frost/magma options they have as well

[topaz lake]

The Mud + Enchanter + Gauntlet interaction is fixed. The Energy will be gained only for basic attacks.

[worn thicket]

and live or is it just ready to be deploied with next patch?

[topaz lake]

live now

[worn thicket]

THANK YOU for being so reactive! ❤️

[brazen quarry]

Oh no, now I’ll have to test it again

[civic grotto]

That was quick. An hour and a half after my question 😁

[brazen quarry]

Custom match to be sure?

Testing it on voice now with Fecska 😄

[topaz lake]

yes

[twilit storm]

@topaz lake my nightmare then hahahah

[brazen quarry]

Still won. Clear is does a lot less damage

[cursive echo]

from 1900 to 1580 last night because I wanted to test teams with Jotun or sear or lynx 😂

[dark vine]

deck building for me atm looks like this: Do I believe this deck has a chance to kill terrorbird > no > done > play terrorbird >.<

[cursive echo]

yes ultimately you have to play the META

[worn thicket]

deckbuilding for me rn: what is the secret thing i could do to have at least a 50/50 matchup to everything and make it a skill based matchup?

do 47 iterations, go back to play terrorbird, mud or Colossus xD

[topaz lake]

When you have the tech, colossus mud & terror bird are just history 😂

[azure wigeon]

custom is faster

[west quartz]

what's the tech ?

[worn thicket]

invokers, 7psion rhamphyre and that kind of big damage comps tend to do well into these

[dark vine]

not against people who are above average as far as I can see

[topaz lake]

wrong tech

[worn thicket]

maybe it's not your tech, but it works for me 🙂

[edgy flower]

Gamedev tech? 😄

[edgy flower]

My Psions can kill the bird 😦

[dark vine]

well invoker can sometimes too but if the arcanite player adjusts he most likely wins... at least that is my experience

[edgy flower]

No, I win 9/10 on vokers against bird ahahahah

[dark vine]

yeah thought so too until today

maybe I just played bad/got unlucky don't know

[edgy flower]

It's all about positioning, you can see mine at patates post in Hyperion, he posted the screen of our battle xd

[dark vine]

had a similar positioning which gets wrong if you are like one square off

and is too predictable

[edgy flower]

And still winning all the birds match ups 🙂

[west quartz]

with invokers ?

[edgy flower]

Yep

[wicked cloak]

U go 4 or 3? And do you run little bulwarks or colossus?

[near plover]

Hello friends, I have a land of Tier 1 and I am level 1940. When can I earn from the land?

[worn thicket]

#🎮〕illuvium-zero

[edgy flower]

Casual with 5 water, no Colossus

[worn thicket]

so the 3 baby bulwarks + synalph and virtuous hydrolynx?

[edgy flower]

Yep

[worn thicket]

yeah makes a lot of sense as a build i agree

[edgy flower]

Almost won at Psions against bird hehe

[raven obsidian]

3nd needs to be updated. is it 2nd or 3rd?

[bronze canopy]

3st

[coarse echo]

3th

[raven obsidian]

lol

so which one is it?

3rd im guessing

[bronze canopy]

id guess every 2nd, because mistyping a number is easier than a spelling of a word

[raven obsidian]

but every 2nd auto attack seems strong

15mp cost augment too

[coarse echo]

it's 3rd. just a typo since it was 2nd before, and the 2 was changed to a 3. It will be updated with the correct text eventually. Apologies for the minor confusion.

[raven obsidian]

s'all good, thanks for clarifying mate

[coarse echo]

I tested every 2nd with the ministun. It was hilariously strong.

everything, even autoattacks, constantly getting interrupted

[raven obsidian]

yeah seemed a bit op if it was was every 2 tbh

[worn thicket]

even 3rd for 15MP is really strong imo

[coarse echo]

shh

[raven obsidian]

yeah that too

[coarse echo]

I've heard rumors that lights chosen is pretty strong too. thoughts?

[raven obsidian]

is that the 50 omega power and can crit one?

[coarse echo]

that doesn't exist, you've just made something up

[raven obsidian]

i literally had that last game

[coarse echo]

no you didn't 🙂

[raven obsidian]

hmmm

is there something similar

[coarse echo]

yes

50 crit amp and omega can crit is 'final abounding'

lights is attack speed and omega power for 3 units

[raven obsidian]

ahh thats the one

[bronze canopy]

well that one almost never exists in a game

since a 3 bid on both sides most of the time

[raven obsidian]

who ever this is.. gg. that was a close game

[ancient orbit]

hi all any place you can check ranked postion currently

[woven flint]

not yet

[cursive echo]

fix bug 🙏

[raven obsidian]

gg @civic grotto

[civic grotto]

not exactly but ok 😄

[raven obsidian]

lol

[cursive echo]

@woven flint ?? the stun cancels the omega of the ramphi!!!

[woven flint]

yes, even the taunt ...
it s quite messy atm

[cursive echo]

incredible !!

[woven flint]

not supposed to but beta thing

[cursive echo]

The taunt while the ramphy is flying🧠💥

[zenith mortar]

That mean you lost?

[civic grotto]

maybe maybe

[gentle bronze]

Can someone explain how energy/physical piercing works for me?

[raven obsidian]

Sore subject I think 😬

[gentle bronze]

I get just as salty sometimes it's nothin personal 😅 🤣

[cursive echo]

@civic grotto terrible bird!🤣

[civic grotto]

First time Im seeing that build

[gloomy barn]

It ignores a percentage of the resists on the illuvial(s) it's attacking

[worn thicket]

So imagine Titanor has 200 on both resistances, and you have a 40% Pierce on your phosphorus

Your phosphorus will then do damage on the Titanor as if it had only 60% of it's resistances (120)

[gentle bronze]

200 resist + 1000 health = 3k dmg needed to be done

40% piercing = 2200 dmg needed?

[worn thicket]

idk where you got that formula from

[gentle bronze]

Is that not how that works xd?

[worn thicket]

idk the exact damage formula and i don't see how 200 and 1000 linked together make 3k so i'm confused

[gentle bronze]

2 x 1k = 3k flat

[gloomy barn]

200 resist should be 25% damage taken

[worn thicket]

haaaah yeah nah that's not how it works @gentle bronze

[gentle bronze]

where is the formula for that?

[worn thicket]

otherwise units with less than 100 resistances which means all before applying bulwark / colossus bonuses

would take a multiplied amount of dmg higher than the attack stat of the attacker

[gentle bronze]

Thats a good point

[worn thicket]

i think we're actually closer from what Tailess says

[gentle bronze]

@coarse echo

[worn thicket]

i mean @gentle bronze we honestly don't need the actual numbers. just read it as: it pierces a % of their armor, increasing my damage output and especially effective to go through big tanks with a lot of resistances

[gloomy barn]

Just know if u fight an illuvial with 0 resists it does nothing lol

[gentle bronze]

While this is true I don't want to guesstimate unless I'm actually in the game playing

knowing the exact formula would really help me personally

[coarse echo]

damage taken = 100/(100 + resist)

200 resist is 33% damage taken

[gloomy barn]

Ahh so 200 is 33% thx @coarse echo

I knew u guys said 100 lowered it by half so i took it as half of half lol

[worn thicket]

so @gentle bronze for your case of Pierce, means you go from 33% damage dealt to 45.4545% dmg with 40% pierce against a unit that would have 200 resistance

[gentle bronze]

very nice ty guys a ton ❤️

Wait my answer was right tho just wrong understanding of why it was right 😂

[granite osprey]

wen other illuvial show up some class is missing

[coarse echo]

it actually was right, crazy

[coarse echo]

yes, there are a few missing. can't say when they'll all be ready, but they are being worked on

[gentle bronze]

Does healing reduction work on health regen?

[worn thicket]

Health regen = Heal/second so yes

[gentle bronze]

I know in theory it should but I heard it's not working that way atm

[worn thicket]

that's totally possible

[fallen vortex]

Oh so pierce just reduces their resist for the calc? Interesting

[worn thicket]

for example Quantum Nullifier rn is working very wrong as it only applies on the set stats of the illuvial and not at all on any of the stats added by synergies (like bulwark/colossus)

[worn thicket]

exactly

[fallen vortex]

I didn't know that. That explains a lot since it's % based

So pierce anything below 50% probably doesn't accomplish a whole lot. Statistically

[worn thicket]

That explains why nobody plays it... cauz removing 48% of the resistances, pre-synergies is shit

like you remove 30 resistances from a Titanor that will get 200 thanks to colossus... xD

[fallen vortex]

I take that back. 40% piercing on a rhamphyre omega might be decent. But it's garbage on an attacker

Im tryna imagine 80% piercing on dualeph

Gets me giddy

[worn thicket]

as of now Pierce is better when plaied on units like Dualeph/Rhamphyre that deal big instances of damage with their omega power. units that mostly do dmg from their auto-attacks like arcanites will prefer Photon for the pure damage instead

[worn thicket]

exactly

[fallen vortex]

Yeah basically what I was thinking

I mean 40% piercing is probably good against non tanky teams. If they didn't have colossus or bulwark then it's probably pretty huge

[gentle bronze]

It would be good on a melee bruiser if they're playing some kind of weird all tank comp lol

[worn thicket]

nah because of how the formula works, removing 40% resists to squishies wont do much but will do a lot on high numbers

[fallen vortex]

Yeah the flowchartiness makes it harder to enjoy, Everyone can clearly see the potential tho, its got legs

[worn thicket]

like Archos has like 20 resists, you remove 40% of that so it goes from 83% dmg dealt to 89%

see it's a minimal effect

[fallen vortex]

Theres a middle ground. 50 is 75% goes through and 100 is 50% goes through. So reducing from 100 to 50 isn't too bad

[worn thicket]

compared to the 12% you gain when applying the same debuff on a Titanor with colossus

[fallen vortex]

Its good against non colossus with 3 bulwark

😛

Thats where everyone sits in the 70-90 range

[worn thicket]

i mean you always get some damage amp out of it

[fallen vortex]

but the 50 pure damage is better 99% of the time 😛

[worn thicket]

just the higher their resists the bigger the impact on your damage output is

[worn thicket]

no

[fallen vortex]

Except for casters, I am talking about auto attackers

[gentle bronze]

Depends on the unit cause if you use fusion igniter all you need is 2 omegas and now you have 56 AD compared to 52 from photon

[worn thicket]

if your unit does damage mostly from it's autoattacks -> pure damage is the way
if it's primary source of damage is their omega -> Pierce

[fallen vortex]

Yeah I thought it was clear I was referring to autoattackers specifically sorry 😛

[worn thicket]

depends on your energy stat

[gentle bronze]

oh yeah true Im thinking specifically about phosphorus

[worn thicket]

like if you put fusion igniter on a Ryplance i doubt it will do much with 40 energy

[fallen vortex]

56 AD brought to like 12 after u calc colossus and resistances.

52 pure damage is still 52

Ill do damage while u omega 10 times to catch up 🤣🤣

[gentle bronze]

true but if you're a phosphorus constantly using your omega it will still continue to stack and you have OP to hit the back line

[worn thicket]

true as well

[worn thicket]

take into account as well that phosphorus' omega also scales with AD

[fallen vortex]

Good point

[fallen vortex]

So they r close in nature

But like 100 pure damage is so damn good on any fast attacker

Whats even more fun is doing a crit bird 😛

Can double that 100 pure danage

[gentle bronze]

when it says 240xOP + AD does that mean what that equals is the dmg done?

[fallen vortex]

Yup

[worn thicket]

so that's the "pre-mitigation" damage calc

[fallen vortex]

So 240 x omega power. Where 200 omega power is a 2x multiple. + attack damage

[worn thicket]

Phosphorus has 91 AD, so it's base damage on omega will be 331

then you apply mitigations... and apply WOUND which is a big part of Phosphorus' damage

[fallen vortex]

Yeah wound is huge

[fallen vortex]

Do u think the bird would be average without wound?

[worn thicket]

nah, the strength of terror bird comes from how many multipliers there are involved

[gentle bronze]

It's a literal tank dmg dealer

bruiser on steroids

[worn thicket]

Bloom gives omega power, which Arcanite mirrors into AD, and now suddenly it's omega is double boosted on the multiplier and additive side, and then you apply wound a % based on the sum of all that which can stack up to 5 times

[granite osprey]

my interesting is Monarch is ALL SAME AS rhamphyer

[worn thicket]

yeah because Rhamphyre was initially Slayer and Umbre was phantom, they changed it so that it makes more sense with the strengths of both units but now we have Rhamphyre and Monarch having the same exact traits.

With this said, game is still in beta and who knows maybe monarch ends up being revenant instead and something else becomes phantom

nothing is set in stone this is still a WIP

[celest flax]

where cabn i see all the meanings of this words plzl any link/??

[worn thicket]

illuvialmaster.com/dictionary

[noble radish]

https://tenor.com/view/rick-and-morty-this-guy-gets-it-gif-9964726

[jagged summit]

Ohh, maybe then lynxes will get more elements and fill in composite holes nicely after all.

[unreal siren]

Any suggestions for team building? Prefer to focus Toxic, I seem to only play against the same team builds in Ascendant though, getting crushed....

[worldly jolt]

Are you bonding your ranger?

Find illuvials that have attainable in conditions. And build a team around those conditions. Mud berserker or lava arcanite can pair well with toxic

[ebon moat]

any suggestions for augments? They all seem good

[worn thicket]

Yes, make sure your build is finished by around round4 with like 1 augment and 1 weapon ranger. This kind of team comps tends to be more succesful and easier to play than more expensive builds for now. So your 8 illuvials+ Ranger weapon+ 1 big 40MP augment should be 460MP or lower.

[ebon moat]

whats MP?

Also are squizz, octius, and ophisto all part of the same line?

[fair hemlock]

Yes

[ebon moat]

Garff!! Hi!

[fair hemlock]

Mastery points, points required to place augments Illuvials etc.

[ebon moat]

oh gotcha

trying to figure out how to get the affinity and class bonuses but its hard because there's so many sharing the same lines

Is it even possible to get 2 shock affinities without a card?

[fair hemlock]

Not currently no

[ebon moat]

ok... well at least Im understanding it!!

[fair hemlock]

Actually, if you bond the ranger, you could get it

But not 2 shock from just Illuvials.

To get the two shock on the board, youd have to bond a fire weapon with an air (dominant) Illuvial
Or
An air weapon with a fire dominant one.

[ebon moat]

I'm so confused with bonding. seems like sometimes it gives a class and (affinity?) bonus and other times it doesnt

ohh so need an air illuvial and a fire weapon on my ranger?

[fair hemlock]

Yeah or the other way around

[topaz lake]

Example: You have Umbre (Steam & Slayer) and the Ranger (not bonded) on the board.

The Steam synergy on Umbre has Fire Dominant for Affinity and Rogue Dominant for Class (you can see the dominant in the tooltip, or when you add it in the Team Builder).

You bond the Ranger with Umbre, and gain Fire Affinity & Rogue Class.

If you want to have Steam & Slayer on the Ranger by Bonding with Umbre (Fire & Rogue dominant), you equip the Water Sword (Water Affinity + Fighter Class).

For Ophisto, if it has "Fire Dominant", then you use a weapon with Air, if it has "Air Dominant", then use a weapon with Fire to make Shock.

[ebon moat]

so when bonded the ranger takes on the dominant trait?

[topaz lake]

Yes

[ebon moat]

ok I think I get it

[topaz lake]

You take the Dominant from that Illuvial, and create two synergies (one affinity, one class) depending on the weapon you use.

[ebon moat]

what does nature need to be bonded with to get verdant?

[topaz lake]

Nature

[ebon moat]

oh ok

[topaz lake]

better view coming soon

[ebon moat]

Think I might actually have a decent team now. At least decent synergies lol

[latent moss]

Can this be available as a pop up in game by any chance?

[brazen quarry]

TLDR

[ebon moat]

Way too addictive

You guys know if there's any tournaments coming up?

[reef basalt]

The 140k Tourney with Team Liquid.

Wild Fire guild hosts Inferno weekly. They might be on break cause of holidays

[ebon moat]

How do I find out more info about team liquid's tourney?

[late lagoon]

Join the wildfire guild discord a tournament should be announced v soon. There are going to be some Xborg tournaments in January too. Then the big 140k one at some point.

[ebon moat]

Do you know how to get in on the xborg and team liquid tournament? Do you have to register or something?

[smoky python]

XBorg tourney should be in January

Signups will be free and youll have plenty of time to register when it opens up

[ebon moat]

Should I just stay tuned to the announcements channel for more info?

[smoky python]

I'll post it on twitter and you can also join the discord

[worn thicket]

following @smoky python on twitter feels like a more guaranteed way

[ebon moat]

Oh fine I'll get on Twitter. What's your Twitter handle?

Oh I see it

Thanks!!

[smoky python]

It should be another $4k one but official details will come later

[bronze canopy]

still waiting payout from last one

https://tenor.com/view/waiting-waiting-patiently-waiting-for-you-waiting-on-you-gif-15489516379864441176

[smoky python]

Soon

[topaz lake]

We'll be working on it because everything should be clear enough in-game.

[gentle bronze]

Illuvium Inferno tounrament sign-ups are live and first come, first served

hurry and sign-up if you want to participate please

[edgy bough]

Will deck submission be required this time? Or same as before no deck limits?

[worldly token]

I was really exciting when the team builder came out that there are soooo many options - not expecting to fight the same deck over and over and over xD

excited*

[tribal glade]

The meta should be shifting and we'll see a lot more creativie expression soon

all feedback currently is valuable feedback as this is our first public PVP beta

[gentle bronze]

Same as last time and the following tournament (or possibly the one after) Ill see if I can work that in with some kind of banning phase

not sure how that is possible yet but I'm sure we can figure something out

[wicked cloak]

what exactly is the difference between grit and resolve and physical and energy resist, i just read the definition on illuvialmaster and im not sure im getting it

[fair hemlock]

Grit and resolve are flat damage reductions.
100 Physical damage -> 10 grit -> 90 damage. (100-10 = 90).

Physical resistance is an exponentially decreasing damage reduction. I.e.
100 damage 0 energy resist -> 100 damage. (100 / 1 = 100)
100 damage 50 energy resist -> 67 damage. (100 / 1.50 = 66.66)
100 damage 100 energy resist -> 50 damage (100/2 = 50)
100 damage 400 energy resist -> 20 damage (100 / 5 = 20)

The resistance works áfter the flat damage is subtracted of the total.

An example could be:
100 damage, 40 grit, 100 physical resistance.
100 damage - 40 = 60 damage before resist.
60 damage / 2.00 = 30 damage after resistance is factored in.

Damage in this case is Physical damage ^
Resolve and energy resistance work the same way against energy damage.

[wicked cloak]

bro they need to fix loulura, shes underground and still getting stunned out of her move so she cant charm

and thank you

[worn thicket]

yes Underground/airborne don't mean invulnerable/Untargetable

it's not about fixing it, it just works as intended

[wicked cloak]

no, louloras move makes her untargetable

well its supposed to

but it doesnt

[worn thicket]

my bad bad wording but untargetable just means it can't be the target for something that targets a specific illuvial like auto attacks, it doesn't prevent AOE damage /Effects

[wicked cloak]

ah, well that sucks

[worn thicket]

well i bet you would agree though that Loulura is already pretty strong as it is at disrupting the opposing team and that it doesn't really need to ALSO have no counter play right?

[wicked cloak]

yeah thats true, but its also extremely easy to counter, just need a grokko on top of a dualeph and shes useless

[worn thicket]

well the only way for grokko to stun loulura out of it's cast is if grokko's omega comes in that short window between the moment loulura uses it's energy to start the animation, and the moment the charm occurs or if the grokko has immune for whatever reason

usually what will disrupt a loulura is more stuff like Titanor or Gnarl who can stun from a distance without being charmed

[wicked cloak]

well it seems that the starting energy for those two lines up perfectly where louloras first cast is always interuppted

[worn thicket]

well then that's a very fun interaction that i like personnally

[wicked cloak]

haha i guess

[fair hemlock]

It is nice, like how Rypterus got stunned by Sear's 4th hit during its first omega.
Loved doing that in PB1

[worn thicket]

yeah because it means if you have a second rogue or any way to put just a tiny bit of damage on that grokko (for example with a good phosphorus alignment) that grokko will use it's omega faster, stunning before Loulura loses all of it's energy for nothing

on the other hand it also means that if you play supressor -> energy effect you can make the grokko get charmed before it gets the opportunity to stun

and same if you put a siphon matrix using the energy effect on the loulura

so there are plays on both players that can make these go either way that's why i like that kind of interactions because it means those can lead to meaningful skill expression

which this game lacks a lot for now

[wicked cloak]

yeah i juse realized ive been using the reduce attack speed instead lol

[fair hemlock]

Could also work, since less attacks -> less energy as well... maybe. XD

[wicked cloak]

true, also depends on who the loulora ends up attacking

[rancid raptor]

Why do rogues always jump to the back of the map? Even when one places them in the front, they don't seem to go to the opposite side, instead they simply jump to the back

[late lagoon]

That’s just what rogues do. Jump to the back line directly opposite where u place them. Unless there’s no room for them to land there. Then they try to get as near as possible

[lament frigate]

After 5 games arena - tired of it.

not possible playing this in chill mode.

[rancid raptor]

I see, that seems easy to counter though

Also wrong wording "rogue units blink to the opposite side of the board"
No they don't

[civic grotto]

Yo @raven obsidian

gg

[raven obsidian]

gg ser

wish i never swapped sides last round

[civic grotto]

You got me yesterday

I learned my lesson

[jagged summit]

Personally agree this should be changed to mirror position or even target a unit perhaps. Gives more variety to strategies and potentially reduces ability to stop rogues from getting to who they are meant to as easily

[edgy bough]

Inferno #4 is officially full 🔥 gonna be a spicy one! The draw is looking strong ⚔️

[rancid raptor]

Also rogues jump with a delay which makes them target a weird unit because it gives time to melee ones to walk foward

Calling AoEs small, medium and large is also confusing, please use hex radius and implement a way we can visualize it in the field

[wicked cloak]

who is godofpb3?

[covert elk]

Been waiting for like 10 minutes for my opponent isn't there a timer and then the match ends? Only way I see out is to close the game ...

[fair hemlock]

Probably smartass

[west quartz]

how do you know grit/REsolve applies before physical/magical resist ?

[fair hemlock]

Earth bulwarks would otherwise get 0 damage. 150 resistance ánd 30 grit and resolve would make anything deal 0 damage.

[vivid stirrup]

should we maybe pin posts like this @late trellis ?

[fair hemlock]

Youd end up having to pin everything i say. Im just that informative 😏 and usually slightly off hahaha

[lament frigate]

That's way to complex, appreciating the explaination - but like this we won't never hit mainstream adoption!

[odd wren]

It's no different than league of legends which has flat penetration applying before %penetration which is the "inverse" of what Garf mentionned. I guess league is still popular

[lament frigate]

Yes, but the BIG difference is you do not need an English dictionary to find out what the meaning of certain words is to understand the effect.

It's straightforward, and Illuvium Arena isn't - for whatever reason, I do not understand. It is a mystery to me since we "wanted" to compete with a game like Teamfight Tactics, which my little nephew, who is turning 5, would understand. Still, for Illuvium, you need a college degree and to study the game for the first 24 hours before playing in a "fun" matter if you have a "capable" deck.

Wasn't it the goal to attract gamers like REAL gamers and not purely web3 - I know we're early, and that's why it has to be addressed now and adapted.

Cause if we're expecting the chilled gamer to adapt to these complicated explanations - this will simply NOT happen.

I would love to understand the thought process as it had been written.

But whatever, this needs to change if we want to attract REAL gamers and not purely investors.

It's just so frustrating to see/witness since there have been many delays (time) to make it simpler, but it simply didn't become simpler. At least, that's my experience playing the game over 100 hours of playtime, where I played 90% arena.

[rancid raptor]

It's fine, learning curve will be a whole lot smoother once overworld is connected and we start from basic illuvials

Note we are playing with every illuvial, weapon and augments possible, its confusing I agree but it's a lot to take in all at once

[untold plover]

anyone know how to counter the bird that can kill a full team lmao?

[hybrid ravine]

We will definitely need content creators to explain strategies and a good wiki to explain basic mechanics / terms. The first time I played Teamfight Tactics I didn't really know what to do either. But it was easy to figure out what the good teams / units were and which items they should use

[lament frigate]

I truly wish and hope it will be like that in combination with the lore, which I‘m genuinely excited to learn more about as soon as the open beta launches!

[lean junco]

yes, the devs are aware that tutorials and a learning curve are required. Don't worry, it'll be fine. The beta is there to collect data,

[lean junco]

hmmm cats ?

https://tenor.com/view/lick-cat-gif-19263091

[cursive echo]

@frosty canyon GG!

[worn tree]

Slowly but surely

gg @frosty canyon

Close shit

[cursive echo]

@hollow citrus GG rogue geyser 🧠

[hollow citrus]

wait i'm not playing?

[lapis citrus]

Is there a way to check how many matches we’ve played

[cursive echo]

haha I confused it with @ebon aspen 😅

[split scroll]

@copper plover gg but how was your cardulo still doing damage even tho it was dead, it was your top DPS and it's damage was going up even dead?

[rancid raptor]

do we need to keep track ourselves on how many games we played to get the christmas rewards?

[reef basalt]

Team tracks per account. So just keep grinding ser

[rancid raptor]

but how do i know how many i've played?

[worldly jolt]

Check out illuvialmaster

[rancid raptor]

can't find match history. Do i need to connect wallet?

[worldly jolt]

No. You can input your username from the game.

Last I knew

[rancid raptor]

ohh nvm

found itr

thanks

no timeline though, will have to keep track

[worldly jolt]

If you see the count now then it should be able to keep the count moving forward right?

[rancid raptor]

yeah although i do have to do some decent scrolling to get the website to count the total games played if thats what you mean

[worldly jolt]

Ah. Well it’s not as helpful as I thought it would be then.

[scarlet spindle]

If you refresh the page, and only scroll down as far as the dat eyou want, like a few days back, or last 12 hours, or whatever, it will just count and tally the ones visible

[rancid raptor]

yeah i think best option is to screenshot these first matches and scroll down to them later to count

[halcyon nova]

first xmas emtote in the bag with a 4-1 win streak and I learnt something for the 1 loss so all good

[zenith mortar]

Just play 5 games a day and you know you’re good haha

Simple maf

Everyone trying to grind and count the first few hours haha

Impressive

[latent moss]

Just got stuffed by Kieran on Arena 😂 I’m so bad 😥

[obtuse summit]

What anfinnity is strong against mud?

[worldly jolt]

Hyper wise frost, tsunami and tempest will have the quickest hyper build up. Pretty sure.

[halcyon nova]

mud preditor is cool atm hard to play predictably though

[fallen vortex]

How does one actually defeat Phosphorus?

[worldly jolt]

Hmm I should review some of my gameplay to find out. I always lose when I play him.

[raven obsidian]

Beams

[zenith mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-lazer-laser-eyes-glowing-eyes-kitty-gif-16584446

[worldly jolt]

https://tenor.com/view/carebears-care-bears-rainbow-tastetherainbow-gif-5711480

In game footage of my phosphorus getting rekt

[ebon moat]

anyone know why sometimes it says waiting for opponent and just hangs?

[worldly jolt]

Buggy test build. Press B to report or Close the app quickly to try and rejoin the match.

[fallen vortex]

lmao phosphorus with cleanse augment and omni vamp is literally unkillable

lol @vernal bloom

[vernal bloom]

i know 😦

[hoary mason]

3 behemoth seems to work.

[fallen vortex]

I literally need 4 dedicated augments to be able to kill it

the Omni vamp augments r just too dumb

U cant let every illuvial have any ability they want 😛

[hoary mason]

Try sear and joton, with ranger being behemoth aswell.

[fallen vortex]

But that loses to everything else

its average

I suspect sword ranger behemoth is fun

[hoary mason]

We need another 1v1

Behemoth got massive buff.

[gleaming needle]

Heya @fallen vortex

playing against you 😮

[fallen vortex]

Good luck

I havent beaten phosphorus yet

Dont be the first

[gleaming needle]

Ahahah

[gleaming needle]

I'm scared now

[vernal bloom]

@fallen vortex the spore was very good IMO

[fallen vortex]

i found a good secondary setup that works

just gotta tinker

[gleaming needle]

Dodges everything 😮

Way too close

[fallen vortex]

Literally cant touch the bird

[halcyon nova]

lots of mud to get the attack speed down first off ....then some "Cheap damage dealers " .....lol

[fallen vortex]

bird just cleanses

[halcyon nova]

nobody can tell me what cleanse does and its missing from the dictonary o iluviamaster

[manic musk]

If is like axie it should remove any negative effects from your illuvial

[halcyon nova]

and it needs to have shorter legs so it dont run so fast

If I find a good fighting chicken in the Philippines he/she definately getting named Phosphorus

[still sand]

sabong lods haha

[reef basalt]

Removes all debuffs.

So slow clumsy blind etc

[worn thicket]

So I was watching at the meta comps and what other high elo players play and here is imo what we should do for future patches balance-wise because we really just see the same illuvials over and over and I personnally really find this patch the least fun and competitive we've had since the beginning.

I know the patch of this week doesn't include much Unit changes as @topaz lake mentioned but if these changes are implemented for like after holidays it's perfectly fine.

T0 Change:
Make Grokko stun scale with stage, this would probably give incentive to players to play anything else than just these 25MP ones.

T1 change:
Monkier nerf -> smaller AOE and smaller AD ratio on the empowered attack. it's a 55MP it shouldn't be a better carry than Ryplance who's 75
Grilla nerf-> remove HP from the statues and more energy to cast

Carablu line:
remove the win HP from their omega, right now they get out of hand just because their traits + omega synergyse a bit too well so removing a bit of healing from this would be nice imo. again it's a 55MP it shouldn't be the best Colossus around.

T3 change:
Ryplance maybe test with 30 Energy so it does:1, 2, empowered berseker attack, Omega and really have it deleting tanks more effectively?

T4 Change:
Jotun -> stealed stats for a bit longer + if it vanquishes with it's omega it keeps the stats forever?

Synergy changes:
Fighter allies buff by 5% on each level

Air energy reduce: +5% on each level

Mud: reduce the energy gain by a LOT, the slow is already very strong, energy gain on top of it just seems too powerful compared to other composites like Spore, Magma, Wildfire, Shock etc.

Toxic: Reduce the strength of the Dot by a tiny bit and reduce the HP heal from it.

Bloom: reduce Omega power gained

Frost: apply frost stats a bit quicker

Behemoth: gaing Immune + Cleanse on their omega for like 2s gain 15% atk speed?

Templar: more atk speed like 10% on the 1st level and 15 on the second? i think after all the nerfs the blazenite empath comp got, giving more power back to Templar to see if it becomes playable on other setups than empath would be good

Augments change:
Survival protocol needs to have something else than indomittable it allows for way too much cheese.
Fix Debuff augments behaviour (i believe it's already in the team's objectives)
Make energy regen augments a choice between a tiny little bit for the team, or more for the actual unit holding the augment
Team-wide energy is too strong for invoker comps rn

[lilac grail]

Agree with most of your point zep.
The only one I'm not really ok is about the monkier nerf. The fact that he cannot cast an omega, and the only way to have him cleanse or immune (as cleanse is buged) is to cast an omega. Siphon just counter him to hard. and a nerf over it will just destroy it. For me even if it's in the "Mud" meta. it's a 1 augment countered unit. So having more damage for the risk to play it and being countered seem's acceptable.

Would not agree on a smaller AOE as it what makes him usefull. Maybe a bit in damage scale. but with the actual augment available (And played a lot around finding a way to make that kieran monky carry) Maybe a rework from the second effect from Survival protocal would change my mind on it. Make it a proc of 10sec immune + shield instead of clease + shield would make him need a nerf

[worn thicket]

oh yeah forgot about the cleanse i would actually like archeleon for example to have cleanse on allies

to allow to give cleanse to units like monkier or ranger

[lean junco]

https://tenor.com/view/math-calculate-confusing-figure-out-gif-6237717 me and noobs right now

[lilac grail]

yeah but in the actual state. there is nothing to cover allied unit with cleanse / Immune. and that's the source of the problem of the monky I think

[worn thicket]

like in a general way there are a LOT of disables in the game, stuns, slows, blinds, disarms etc

i think we need more ways to cleanse than just "on omega"

[lilac grail]

💯

[worn thicket]

just about this. do you find normal that the damage output of Monkier is 3 to 4x the amount of damage Ryplance does over a fight?

Tier 1 -> Tier 3

Like what i find illogical rn with the Berserker situation is that we play Ryplance as a Synergy bot to empower Cardulox and Monkier, which are both T1s... 😦

[fallen vortex]

gg @twilit storm

[fallen vortex]

Yeah even tho it looks good on paper, ryplance omega feels kinda underwhelming

also it dies insanely fast

[harsh falcon]

does anyone here have the team build with the big ass chicken thats unkillab;e ?

has anyone done a vid on the bloom team ?

[fallen vortex]

They r all unkillable

[harsh falcon]

i know ... been running steam invoker for sometime now

and even after the patch they are still good

but that damn chicken is soooo anoying

[fallen vortex]

welcome to life in Illuvium

[harsh falcon]

you konw if anyone made a vid on the chicken team ?

wanna give it a shot

[fallen vortex]

not sure, if anyone has its web3 gaming tv

[vivid stirrup]

🤔

[harsh falcon]

cover it on stream

[fallen vortex]

Maybe paz already covered it

dont think anyone did post patch

but I suspect its played basically the same

[harsh falcon]

viper posted the team on X but a vid would be much appreciated

[vivid stirrup]

link?

[harsh falcon]

1 sec

[vivid stirrup]

ima slap a quick one out for ya np!

[harsh falcon]

https://x.com/viper_ilv/status/1737228591853617649?s=20

[fallen vortex]

champ

[harsh falcon]

❤️

[fallen vortex]

2 mud 2 mystic round 1 is hilarious

[vivid stirrup]

which one you mean? the arcanite?

i thought kukkaraph when u said chicken team ^^

[harsh falcon]

the bloom

with phosphorus

[vivid stirrup]

sweet! i did play that on stream yesterday for 3 hours straight tho 😄

[frank moon]

@fallen vortex we might just casual direct match instead of ranked 🤣

[fallen vortex]

Idk how I smashed u game 1

then got stomped game 2

I got no clue at all what changed

[vivid stirrup]

https://youtube.com/live/S240yQLtW7o?feature=share

[fallen vortex]

@frank moon do u know? Cause im actually wracking my brain

[frank moon]

First game I made a silly mistake with returning a illuvial of the board. Second game my position was a lot better

that stunning monkey didnt have value in the first game, second game it was hitting a lot

[still sand]

is there a way to see how many games played?

[lean junco]

https://tenor.com/view/count-counting-countdown-how-much-gif-27431172

[fallen vortex]

that 3 bulwark is huge

[frank moon]

agree!

[lean junco]

illuvial Master

[frank moon]

got to go for a bit now but gg's, learning a lot from games like that

[fallen vortex]

I feel like I should be able to win it

gg

[lean junco]

illuvialmaster

[frank moon]

we can play again later! 🙂

[fallen vortex]

We will have to

Thats such a fun team @radiant linden respec

[untold plover]

can we surrender 25 matches to get the emotes?

[vivid stirrup]

not sure, only heard about win/lose

[cyan olive]

there will be one soon, prob next one even, already recorded and ready

[cyan olive]

there is a phosphorus only video as well, that might already answer most of your questions

[edgy flower]

bug with sell then buy same unit in 1 round, sell for 18, but then put back to 21, not 25 as it supporse to be

[topaz lake]

Hey, thanks! This is a known issue, but please report it through the Bug Reporter!

[lilac grail]

No but you fixed the proposition as increasing the energy cost of ryplace so it can attack more.
For me the design from Ryplance line is not adapted for berserker. I never liked it. To scale with berserker, the unit have to attack. what ryplance don't. spend his time to cast..

[fallen vortex]

Scoriox has the same problem. Its cast takes about 3 years to complete

[worn thicket]

https://tenor.com/view/confused-pokemon-fight-torterra-golbat-gif-17579448

but you do want Scoriox's cast to last otherwise it does just no damage...

[gentle bronze]

Has there been any consideration about adding a feature where you draw from your deck each turn like in a more traditional card game?

It seems like a lot of the games seem to play almost exactly the same with little variance in a flow charty kind of manner

[worn thicket]

some ppl like SJUD suggested it but it think the game doesn't fit for that

[edgy flower]

im still w8 possibility to check enemys deck when we choose legerdary augments, so . . . . ..

[lilac grail]

But scoriox dont load his energy in the same time as he cast. so the ratio in time lost is a lot bigger for ryplance

[worn thicket]

yeah... was supposed to be fixed 2 patches ago but...

[gentle bronze]

Why dont you think it would fit?

[fallen vortex]

It wouldnt be chess anymore

Imagine drawing your bishop in a chess game

no longer about skill

[gentle bronze]

There's definitely still skill in card games

[fallen vortex]

They r a lot slower

If you slow down Illuvium then sure you can claw some back

[worn thicket]

1. we want our game to be skill based, not luck based.
2. that means introducing an entire draw mechanic, probably change MP gains accordingly and a lot of mechanics like the legendary augments would need to be reworked

delaying the project by a ton

[fallen vortex]

But imagine turn 4 u still havent drawn ur hyper carry, u just insta lose

[gentle bronze]

I am DEFINITELY not suggesting this be a change at open beta or to even take away the way the game is now

[worn thicket]

or what if you just draw augments for the first 3 turns and a couple of grokkos?

[gentle bronze]

but a different game mode

legendary augments could work the same

[fallen vortex]

I still think banning is an insta solve

[worn thicket]

well all i'm gonna say is i wouldn't play that mode. seems shit to me.

[fallen vortex]

fixes everything

[gentle bronze]

Okay what are the best ways to fix my issue of the game feeling a bit repetitive then?

[worn thicket]

but i do agree that we should in a way or another try to add more variance in the game, since having the "perfect hand" every turn makes the game less enjoyable

[gentle bronze]

Do you disagree or do you think that could bne due to issues such as balancing

[gentle bronze]

Yeah i dont really carer if its a drawing mechanic I was kinda just thinking if there was anything we could do

[worn thicket]

maybe balancing solves a bit of it, maybe deck size does another bit, like other people suggested we can also add limitations like: you NEED 14 illuvials to play

[fallen vortex]

Yeah I think make a team minimum 15 illuvials or something

or you do a banning mechanic

[worn thicket]

other people suggested round MP gains to be less linear forcing players to add variants in their decks

[fallen vortex]

ban 3 of your opponents cards before the match begins

[fallen vortex]

Elaborate?

[worn thicket]

like theres a lot we can test without turning the game into an RNG-fest

[safe valve]

What about the just being able to play 1 augment of it's Line?
I feel it would already get much better if for example 3x indomitable isn't playable anymore.

Is this of the table?

Remember Lot of people mentioning it a while ago

[worn thicket]

well now R1 and 2 are always 100MP right? so these people's suggestion, is that maybe R1 is 80 sometimes, or sometimes 120, and same for R2 sometimes X sometimes Y. Devs would create like idk a defined amount of "patterns" for MP gains and each game would at start select one or another pattern randomly

[fallen vortex]

That sounds interesting

I like the idea of any rng that affects both players symmetrically

Card drawing doesnt do that whereas MP variance does

[worn thicket]

Its definitely on the table and i think i heard the team was willing to test it. no idea when or if it will be implemented though

[fallen vortex]

I believe this is coming, i thought it was guaranteed, at least to test it

internally

[brazen quarry]

lol @twilit storm I got no MP to spend

frikking bugged game

[worn thicket]

my only concern with it is what will we do about stage 1 and 2 augments...? cauz if we can only have one we'll just be always picking the biggest one 99% of the time

[fallen vortex]

You're not wrong

I mean the alternative is nerf them all into oblivion

Imo u just need to delete omni vamp and indominitable and augments arent dumb anymore

[worn thicket]

i think vamp is fine, we have plenty of ways to reduce healing

indomitable is something that shouldnt be in a regular augment though imo, BUT at the same time, removing it forces to balance a lot of things differently like Rhamphyre

we can't let something just say -> hey i wipe the entire board thank you gg

[fallen vortex]

Disagree, 3 bulwark gives u enough resist to just bully it. So do the resist augments

I still maintain Rhamphyre omega size is too big

[worn thicket]

not fire rhamphyre or 7 psions rhamphyre which are the most common ways to play it nowadays

[fallen vortex]

It kinda had an anti indominable kill button with inferno anyways

[twilit storm]

@brazen quarryyeah was weird..not funny

[worn thicket]

inferno doesn't remove indomitable so for those extra 6 seconds bought by indomitable the unit lets say a dualeph or phosphorus at least has a shot to finish the rhamphyre and heal back with vamp

[fallen vortex]

it doesnt remove it but for anything that doesnt heal, insta dies at the end

[lilac grail]

Allow Stage 1 to hold Stage 1 augment etc.

[worn thicket]

without indomitable, Rhamphyre area for it to be balanced should become like just slightly bigger than a Malura cast or it's dmg cut in half

[worn thicket]

this is a fun concept, i like it

but kinda kills agro imo

[gentle bronze]

this is definitely interesting

different mp gain per round is also really interesting

different from my suggestion but accomplishes the same thing and has the same "spirit" and feel we have now

[fallen vortex]

I mean it does fix the stage 1 illuvials being so dominant

and it makes stage 1 and 2 augments needed

[lilac grail]

not that sure. If you play agro and scale up with augment when other play late game and have to put a bigger unit to place his bigger augment.
Would even think that would be to powerfull for aggro.

(didn't think more time about it, just had this idea now..) but would give value to low stage augment too.
But in term of economy, it can have bad effect like "Low cost team are aggro", high cost team are lategame. and create frustration

[worn thicket]

but "cheap"/ budget decks are necessary for our game since they'll be what most of our playerbase can afford AND all our marketing and even the TL speech we told them to say is: Illuvium will be skill based, not pay2win...

[fallen vortex]

I just think itll force u to scale thats all

[worn thicket]

so for that we need cheap agro decks to be equally viable as a strategy than slam 8 big bois

[fallen vortex]

Right now u can get away with 7 bulwark turn 7

But itll mean ur shitty stage 1 team will have to change since u cant load it with amazing augments

[worn thicket]

BUUUUUT the game needs to remain accessible for smaller wallets Scoriox...

[fallen vortex]

I still think it will

its just every team will need a balance of small and big

[lilac grail]

That don't change the fact that people will want have stage 3 unit / augment. But whale would need to put some Stage 1 unit / augment too.

[fallen vortex]

but I could be wrong, as to what would happen to the meta

[worn thicket]

i think there's a disconnect... how much do you guys think a T5 Stage3 will cost?

[fallen vortex]

$20 maybe

[worn thicket]

😂

[fallen vortex]

Hahaha I mean who knows

But I am eager to find out

We should start a pool

All place bets on ranges

[worn thicket]

yeah this would be cool

[smoky python]

Drawing from a deck doesnt turn something into luck based

[worn thicket]

does drawing from a deck open the possibility of losing a game literally only based on RNG?

[smoky python]

Yes you can draw your worst potential outcome and your opponent can draw his best

Thats why you have multiple games in a set

[worn thicket]

yeah and on a sample like bo3 it is still possible to be unlucky twice

[smoky python]

You can get high win rates in card games

[worn thicket]

i know you can "maximize your odds" and thats the biggest part about TCG deckbuilding

but there's only so much you can do and there will just always be the possibility to just get f*cked by RNG

[smoky python]

Lowering a top players win percentage slightly in order to create a better game that is actually replayable is much better

And if you want to talk about RNG, thats what sets are right now in picking between rock, paper, scissors

[worn thicket]

mindgame =/= RNG. 1st

[smoky python]

It's not mindgames

[worn thicket]

2nd. that's mainly due to game balance

[smoky python]

The optimal strategy is to randomize your choice

[worn thicket]

you're just being salty cauz you lose rock paper scissor to leomane... 😦

[smoky python]

No I'm just saying the game isn't good right now

It's not well designed and its not fun

[worn thicket]

and like i said, that's mainly due to game balance

[smoky python]

I said the same things a year ago without knowing balance and you know this

[worn thicket]

if counters were less harsh and decks more versatile, there would be less rock paper scissor and more skill expression

[smoky python]

The design is flawed

It has room to improve obviously

That doesn't mean its going down an optimal path

Also design space gets opened up more with a traditional TCG setup

[worn thicket]

Well the other thing is that the main selling point of Illuvium is: a UNIQUE gameplay experience, which they in fact achieved. if we go the draw from a deck route... we suddenly are just one more TCG xD

[smoky python]

No we arent

Because our combat is different than any other card game

[worn thicket]

ok you know what? let's do something one of these days... we play customs with decks meant for this test

and simulate externally the drawing mechanic

and we play and we see how it would feel

you down?

[smoky python]

If there was an easy way to do that id be down haha

[worn thicket]

randomizers from 1 to 30

and assign a number to each card of your deck

[smoky python]

It would take so much testing though

And thats the job of the team to do

[worn thicket]

yeah but we can also do it for fun and then tell them how it feels

[smoky python]

I can already tell them how it goes

[gentle bronze]

This does sound like fun tbf

[smoky python]

Yah it sounds like a good game imo 😉

[worn thicket]

we could even create a whole testing group of volunteers to gather better/more valuable feedback

[hybrid bluff]

Solid idea

[late lagoon]

ok @stiff seal im not queuing again these r too close lol

[brazen quarry]

2 more games for my emotes

[south glacier]

gg 😄

[brazen quarry]

You had me scratching my head 😄

[cursive echo]

@umbral oracle bug .....

[safe stirrup]

yknow i really wish they fixed jotuns ult

so much potential

[lean junco]

you will have to determine how many cards you will have at the start, what type? illuvial, armament, augmented. Possibility of muligan. Possibility of drawing and if so how many times? possibility of mixing all types of illuvial or not? There will be a lot of research work before finding the “fun” formula. The work is colossal. If you play a few games with Sjud, you'll definitely say it's shit

[worn thicket]

oh don't worry i plaied TCGs a lot i know what we're talking about, but we can't say that's better than what we have if we don't test it right?

[lean junco]

i think it would be better an unlimited mode (like now), and a regular one with more rules and Rng like others Tcg. (IMO)

[worn thicket]

idk it just seems to easy for me the people out there saying: IF we had to draw the units it would be more fun. we don't know how it would feel