🎮〕illuvium-arena

[sharp kraken]

Is everyone empath elo inflating lol?

[snow locust]

https://tenor.com/view/gollum-lotr-lord-of-the-rings-scream-angry-gif-17471844

[sour hawk]

dps beats empath

[vernal forum]

I think that ship has already sailed.

[sharp kraken]

What’s the point

[late lagoon]

hmm ok 5 mins to try and learn what things do lol

[thorny oracle]

is the game down?

[iron kayak]

Yes

[elder estuary]

https://tenor.com/view/5minutes-five-minutes-ill-wait-gif-10843127

[brazen quarry]

lmao I'm gonna close discord for 5 min

[west quartz]

did server crash from too many players or are you pushing an update ? 🙂

[bleak escarp]

The way i was getting my ass kicked, im glad someone stopped the game

[iron kayak]

Probably

[round robin]

same lol

[old lark]

https://tenor.com/view/restart-potatoes-master-chef-gif-10342012

[late lagoon]

oh no iv only just started to abuse empaths lol

[sharp kraken]

Do you guys focus class or affinity mainly?

[eager rock]

Stress test time, no amout of perf testing can really replicate real user load

[thorny oracle]

class

[exotic sinew]

There's a hotfix going in to fix some balance issues 🙂

[west quartz]

YESSSS

[round robin]

nothing I understand shit

[old lark]

WHERE WE ARE GOING WE DON'T NEED SERVERS

[late lagoon]

ok im going to need to copy someones none empath deck

[thorny oracle]

so many fighters i had to build a deck just to counter the fighter hords haha

[west quartz]

take as much time as you need to nerf those sh*t :p

[elder estuary]

🇫 empaths >=]

[thorny oracle]

Are you WillyD in Illuvium ?

[elder estuary]

Cool 5 minutes to go work on deck building it is 😅

[west quartz]

we're finally gonna play illuvium Arena instead of EmpathsOnline

[elder estuary]

Age of Empaths

[mighty tulip]

Time for you all to pack your water pistols away 😁

[old lark]

https://tenor.com/view/for-just-a-few-days-ignace-aleya-for-only-few-days-for-limited-time-gif-24977178

[west quartz]

Age of Empaths, Gauntlet Reloaded

[old lark]

to climb the ranks with broken decks

[bleak escarp]

https://tenor.com/view/explain-plan-theory-crazy-insane-gif-22079506

Currently tweaking my deck like

[fair hemlock]

Every single time 😄

[sharp kraken]

Lmao

Felt

[bleak escarp]

I guess this is the one chance i got to eat today.

[supple cave]

it is the end of the age of empaths

[round robin]

can I see the top leading teams anywhere?

[supple cave]

lasted one day

[bleak escarp]

Good riddance, shields...shields everywhere

[supple cave]

can hardly sleep without thinking of team concepts haha

https://tenor.com/view/math-calculate-confusing-figure-out-gif-6237717

[sharp kraken]

I noticed that some illviuals have dominat traits. Is there a recessive trait?

[iron kayak]

If they have composit one of they two is dominant the other is recessive,

[fair hemlock]

We explained that to you just a bit ago.

[sharp kraken]

Well I understand that part

[fair hemlock]

When you bond / influence hyper, you get the dominant class / affinity.

[sharp kraken]

With the ranger

[sharp kraken]

Im talking about actual creatures

[snow locust]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/909493405623681086/1086923708368691270/EB8621B4-E3E3-4120-B03D-4BF60B45D4C2.gif

[fair hemlock]

Then it doesnt do anything.

[balmy dock]

Can not play , can not Change or See any Teams. Someone Same Problem ?

[snow locust]

yep,

[fair hemlock]

Patch in progress

[elder estuary]

^

[snow locust]

be patient, i know we all addicted

[eager portal]

Is the client hanging for anyone right now?

[elder estuary]

I will now use this time to eat 😆

[limber scroll]

https://tenor.com/view/new-update-jaredfps-new-information-new-format-new-feature-gif-22677731

[iron kayak]

😖

[old lark]

anticipating the balance change like

[elder estuary]

https://tenor.com/view/loading-thinking-shiba-inu-gif-25291442

[sharp kraken]

Sooo the only way to mix affinities is through the ranger right? Nothing else?

[old lark]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-math-math-cat-numbers-cat-funny-gif-13385485103134761656

[iron kayak]

Actually I will be happy to not die vs 7 atippo

[fair hemlock]

Yep only the ranger can bond and thereby change their affinity/class.

The others have a set composite. Like magma or tsunami. Nothing to change that.

But you can give them a second recessive one through legendary augments.
Those give you an actual stack but doesnt do anything for bonding or hyper.

[iron kayak]

And one time tgte ranger alone kills my tytanor with x2 granite and x2 colossus 🤬

[sharp kraken]

Thank you

[topaz lake]

We are looking into it!

[sharp kraken]

Right the two rounds one at the beginning and one in the middle? Where you gamble for what cards?

[brazen quarry]

Who broke it? Who should I ping?

[iron kayak]

Kieran’s fault

They should put at the start: disclaimer this can cause dipendendency

[tropic moon]

does my illuvial get bonuses when I put legendary augment on it with another composite?

[brazen quarry]

Must be with the keyboard announcement coming up, they want us to destroy the current one

[supple cave]

lesser atippos, to make it worse hahaha

[proven ember]

Issue - we're on it. If we can't solve quickly we'll revert to yesterdays build

[supple cave]

😬

[iron kayak]

7 healer or 7 of whatever T0 is a gameover versus my team of cutiepie

[fair hemlock]

Yep. Singe with bloom gets the bloom bonuses!

[supple cave]

any news on expanding the team builder to support more than 5 teams??

[tropic moon]

not both? because magma swould still be there on the left

[fair hemlock]

Yes both* inclusive

[smoky python]

https://tenor.com/view/hasbulla-money-gif-25191018

[sharp kraken]

I really hope team builder will be implemented into the actual game

Kind of annoying going back and forth

[supple cave]

it will

[sharp kraken]

I know I just hope soon lol

It’s gonna be even more depressing when you got to catch all these guys 😂

[supple cave]

powerful stuff.. getting 2 composite affinities on a creature

[supple cave]

not to mention grind to craft good quality weapons and armor

[sharp kraken]

Ooooof

Time to buy some land

[fair hemlock]

It feels great!

[velvet wyvern]

I went reconnect because i dont wanna lose rating, but opponent is not here, is it a timer to drop him out and not lose rating for me at the same time?

[supple cave]

if you put an arcanite class in the malura, for example, does it stop blinking at the beginning? no, right?

[smoky python]

Game is down. they are trying to deploy new patch

[west quartz]

business business

[velvet wyvern]

But im in without error again, thought its live again

[smoky python]

I'd pay for more deck slots right now

[supple cave]

me too

[west quartz]

so would I

they said they are gonna give us some slots for free during beta, will be a paying feature at launch

[waxen swan]

will pay.

take my money

take it all

[sharp kraken]

Lmao

[low halo]

Hey all, just an update for those who missed it in general, there was a backend issue with Json data that has broken things but they are working on it.
Won't require an updated build and we're sorry for the disruption!

In the meantime feel free to get the pitch forks out with me and go crazy with rage

[sharp kraken]

Slots only matter if you have enough Illuvials to fill them

[low halo]

https://tenor.com/view/stranger-things-fire-flame-gif-14920648

[west quartz]

oh so it wasn't the empath fix/gauntlet nerf being pushed ?

[smoky python]

https://tenor.com/view/peepo-peepo-riot-riot-protest-peepo-angry-gif-21768097

[sharp kraken]

This grant guy sucks!

[bronze canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/ragey-mad-cat-angry-cat-raging-cat-rage-gif-26790394

[brazen quarry]

[low halo]

https://tenor.com/view/billy-madison-bus-driver-chris-farley-gif-3567477

[wet cloak]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-scared-gif-6787764075896120076

[brazen quarry]

When do we start to fling poo?

[agile dove]

👀

[low halo]

After my bout of food poisoning today, get in line

[smoky python]

https://tenor.com/view/schitts-creek-ew-gross-david-rose-disgusted-gif-18489037

[brazen quarry]

Damn I gotta wait 2 more days until I can afford food

[low halo]

https://tenor.com/view/tusareve-monkey-crazy-gif-26485098

[brazen quarry]

Never seen Kieran so hyped to play

[smoky python]

https://tenor.com/view/you-got-jokes-huh-jokes-funny-teasing-good-one-gif-9922488

[brazen quarry]

It's not like I can lurk at streamers playing the game

[zenith mortar]

Soon

[west quartz]

patch taking longer because he's inflating his elo in backend ? :p

[zenith bough]

Pics or it didn’t happen

[zenith mortar]

I don’t wanna see

[zenith bough]

https://tenor.com/view/shut-up-shhh-stop-gif-16284746

[high spindle]

Anyone else having issues connecting to the game on Epic?

[brazen quarry]

https://tenor.com/view/illuvium-illuviumio-ilv-yield-farming-gif-22225026

[zenith bough]

Yes

[high spindle]

Sometimes when I launch it says 'No internet connection' (but obviously that is incorrect)

[elder estuary]

https://tenor.com/view/monke-bongo-slap-gif-21076186

[snow locust]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/791148476218081321/985829390673928212/image0.gif

[zenith bough]

#🎮〕illuvium-arena message

[high spindle]

Ah, gotcha. Thanks!

[gritty wren]

are the patch notes out?

[zenith bough]

Pinned

[hearty yew]

my decks are not loading (on windows). Any tips?

[wet cloak]

pinned

[mild anchor]

same

was fine yesterday. Today cannot get the decks switched

[west quartz]

is slashin getting positive attack damage and attack speed value on the patch ?

[alpine basin]

Game is doing same for me. Cant play, menu just does nothing.

was working earlier

[iron kayak]

It’s down

They are working on it

[alpine basin]

Ah ok

[hearty yew]

makes sense

[bronze canopy]

420

[worldly jolt]

I’ve got nothing to do but work I guess

[hearty yew]

so now that we are addicated we get cold turkey? ;d

[cursive echo]

the same problem

[worldly jolt]

I definitely should have thought through my first deck. It was not good. last night now that I’ve figured out a bit more I had to work my way up from 1080

It’s a slog fest

[gritty wren]

i need that blue border

[pliant citrus]

Something I was going to send to the team in feedback/suggestions:

Has it been tested adding a sort of auto-camera lock mode onto Illuvials during battles? The free roam camera is great as the default, but wouldn’t it be cool to have quick select third person behind Illuvials (1st person through Ranger eyes👀)? Idk think that would be a cool gameplay addition. 🫶🏻

[velvet wyvern]

i have just hit the doors of 1800 then server down.MAAAAAAAAAAN 😄 LET ME IIIIIIIIIN :Dhahaha

https://tenor.com/view/let-me-in-annoyed-stuck-outside-open-the-door-open-up-gif-16568613

[rapid crest]

I have a problem getting into the arena

[obtuse summit]

Updates?

[rapid crest]

Was there an update or something

[elder estuary]

Update incoming

[ebon flume]

New update incoming.......game is down, be back shortly

[rapid crest]

Ok thnx

[ebon flume]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/974132778666971136/1179389209132421141/image.png?ex=65799acb&is=656725cb&hm=500e1dacb835b430926653a7a60d972be2f1b7f0556cdc1b5fb8ee2ce9d453b1&

[supple cave]

graviton piercer works against the dodge units (true sight)?
or now the maladaptative resonator will give clumsy and be better?

[cyan olive]

is this patch live already or later today?

[supple cave]

being deployed with some issues. trying to fix it, it seems

game down

[cyan olive]

[worldly jolt]

If you had overworld access you can play that

[high spindle]

I'm in now, just worked for the first time

[cyan olive]

thx, totally forgot about that

[west quartz]

where is that from ?

[ebon flume]

#🎮〕illuvium-arena message

[supple cave]

Can't be that hard to give us more!!! cmon!!!!

i hate that so much

[worldly jolt]

You probably gonna have to pay

[supple cave]

really? that's insane

[honest pawn]

where is the new patch note

[worldly jolt]

I don’t know. Just making that assumption

[worldly jolt]

[honest pawn]

that's it? I thought there will be a gaulet nerf too

[hollow citrus]

patch note will be posted in a few minutes

[iron kayak]

Finally. It’s on again

[honest pawn]

thx

[hollow citrus]

We should be back, still checking a few things, announcement incoming, anyone still experiencing issues please ping me

[sharp kraken]

It gets so quiet here when game is up

Am I the only one employed?

:/

[hollow citrus]

🙂

[sharp kraken]

Love everyone

[worldly jolt]

At the rate I’m playing I’m slightly concerned about my employment

I should have asked for time off

[azure wigeon]

whats the cost of recalling illuvial?

[zenith bough]

25% of it’s play cost and augment cost

[velvet wyvern]

Lesssgooo 1,8+

[summer frigate]

Empaths are finally nerfed ?

[waxen swan]

@hollow citrus is patch live?

[hollow citrus]

Yes it is

[bleak escarp]

https://tenor.com/view/hasbullah-gif-22844686

Ready to test my new team

[brave grotto]

Anyone tested the game on winlator (windows emulator on android)?
I need a way to play the game on mobileee

[raven obsidian]

What happened @bronze canopy

[velvet wyvern]

He has a good comp but i believe would need more time to stack up full

Need rank required cosmetics 🫨🫨🫨🫨

[visual jetty]

forced to surrend because i was stuck at the end of game with victory screen lmao

i'm mad

[summer frigate]

Is the patch implemented ?

[gritty wren]

yes

[bronze canopy]

idk how to beat that yet

i did win once versus earth spam

cant remember how

[supple cave]

i just fought a guy with 9 empaths LOL. he got rekt

[dull wind]

these starter decks really fall short, so many ppl playing the "natural winners" starter deck
give them better starter decks

[hollow citrus]

We're currently looking at the starter decks 😉

not part of today's changes just yet

[dull wind]

nice 😉

[jagged gull]

is there a link to patch notes

[worldly jolt]

Yes

[supple cave]

make starter decks focused on one affinity. earth deck, fire deck, nature deck

[worldly jolt]

Patch notes
https://illuvium.io/news/illuvium-arena-beta-3-v0-3-1-patch-notes

[jagged gull]

ty

[languid sparrow]

When will the patch occur ?

[cosmic yoke]

its implemented #📣〕announcements 🙂

[hearty sleet]

Maladaptive resonator inflicts clumsy as first bonus? I don’t see that in the description

[tired depot]

How the hell do you beat colossus/toxic?

[supple epoch]

Creator tag ?

At sign up for dl

[supple cave]

I just wrecked a Colossus toxic deck hehe

[tired depot]

https://tenor.com/view/tell-us-what-you-know-right-now-stan-marsh-kyle-broflovski-kenny-mccormick-jimmy-valmer-gif-23110235

[supple cave]

dualeph needs some tuning. animation is totally messed up, not appearing correctly, and seems lackluster

[fair hemlock]

same

[gritty wren]

gg @uncut comet what a game

[uncut comet]

gg shouldnt take indomitable on rhamphyre

[gritty wren]

closest game i had ever

[tired depot]

show off

[fair hemlock]

I was streaming everything! though my stream quality for some reason has been incredibly poor

[bleak escarp]

Welp, back to drawing board

[bleak escarp]

Oh, i just thought Dualeph was lackluster, 😆

[elder estuary]

Ah just demolished a 7 empath team, felt good 💆‍♂️

[worldly jolt]

Thank you @edgy flower it confirmed my thesis that I’ve just been playing not very good players. Especially with that deck I was testing.

[lean ivy]

Just finished looking over the patch notes these look great! Feels like LOL great work happy to see all these changes

[velvet wyvern]

1,8k+ is like the top how much% ?
just to place myself somewhere

[languid sparrow]

Those quick chance!

[velvet wyvern]

i saw guys over 2k already

[junior geyser]

anybody have solid deck results?

[velvet wyvern]

Can we lose the achieved border (with the rank) if we drop back down?
Critical question 😄

[old lark]

lmaoooo - knew the mystics was bugged they were so good

[sour silo]

first game. got completly wracked 😄

[safe stirrup]

warpwave assault didnt trigger again

no wave to do anything making me lose the round

[past mica]

WOW those are huge patch notes for 1 day after launch, team kicking major ass nice job!!!

[safe stirrup]

happened again

huge bug of it just NOT doing anything

[dull wind]

@honest pawn great games man

gg

[safe stirrup]

@plain dagger did my warpwave assault just not do anything last match?

[iron kayak]

Crash?

[latent moss]

If you play two illuvials of the same line (both fighter) do you not get the extra say fighter class added?

[vernal forum]

Yes, same line counts as 1 - lesser water doka, greater water doka is just 1 fighter, 1 water

[latent moss]

Thanks

[slender palm]

How to fix this problem? (after the game why do the Play button gray out and Cant be clicked need to relaunched the game )

[latent moss]

I think my team needs a change then 😂

[vernal forum]

I would try restarting game, then submitting bug report

[honest pawn]

ggs

[hoary mason]

I need help, I want to build a control deck where I can cluster and clump up enemy on one character and use tons of splash damage.

What character and augs should I be looking at?

[thick rune]

@velvet wyvern Bro you completetly whooped my ass LOL

wtf😂

[velvet wyvern]

hahah yapp 😄

it was not even my main team x)

[thick rune]

what does that mean when your illuvial's health bar is filled in white?

[umbral glen]

Those augments you bid on before the game, they don't show up in my deck. Is it because my deck is full?

[hoary mason]

They should?

[obtuse dagger]

Hello boys, do we have a channel to share decks ?

[velvet wyvern]

its an additional shield

[hoary mason]

Its annoying

[velvet wyvern]

agree

but i have to try them to know the best comp, i ve reached 1,8k now i will reshearch for some new builds

[hoary mason]

What ilvs can cluster units?

[thick rune]

do you get extra shield by having the same class?

[velvet wyvern]

usually empath set bonus gives a high amount

and you can stack on it by augments a swelll

[thick rune]

oh ok cool

thanks buddy

[worldly jolt]

Did you crash too @stark swift ?

[old lark]

@sullen thunder hoooowwwww did i lose that lol

[stark swift]

lol no

Just lost normally

[old lark]

you played me in positioning. i was one step behind the whole time

[worldly jolt]

I wasn’t sure. It just started what must have been the last round and froze nonresponsive

[stark swift]

Oh weird, like just the last round froze for you?

TL:DR I tried to swap my stabbin to get behind your arch, but you played gnarl there and it was all ogre

I don't enjoy playing into toxic much with this team lol

[dull wind]

missing the seconds on this shield tooltip

[low halo]

8 games in a row against 7 empath lol

Gonna go into the jsons myself at this point 🤣

[thick rune]

This post is timed just well with my new team name😂

[low halo]

Yeh look, I don't think Edi got the memo

I refuse to join this bs

[junior geyser]

what team are you running?

[thick rune]

lolll

[vivid stirrup]

https://tenor.com/view/do-it-now-gif-8259067036335066552

[old lark]

hah who is lovingatlas again? good game. lemme know if you wanna go again

[low halo]

https://tenor.com/view/lord-of-the-rings-cast-it-fire-destroy-it-lotr-gif-16208495

Tomorrow it's getting patched

[vivid stirrup]

lets play some more empaths before they gone

https://tenor.com/view/frodo-lotr-gif-20662274

[proven ember]

https://tenor.com/view/thumbs-up-gif-love-gif-23878715

[waxen swan]

was empath bug still not patched or is it still too good

[old lark]

My empath build is getting so good.

The deck builder is soooo sick

[low halo]

Skill

[old lark]

https://tenor.com/view/funny-hot-rod-gif-24116221

https://tenor.com/view/cheese-fez-thats70show-i-love-cheese-gif-14135459

[storm tundra]

Hey guys just curious what make empath overpowered?

Just wondering i never played it but wondered what made it so strong, try to understand how it has been tuned, thanks

[worldly jolt]

lol someone’s Scoriox was doing 10,000+ damage against my team each round until it froze and I had to shut it down.

[worldly jolt]

Massive stacks of shielding paired with healing.

https://tenor.com/view/super-thick-shea-whitney-it's-very-thick-it's-really-thick-gif-7912567316893936208

Probably there’s more to it than that but that’s what I see

[storm tundra]

Haha thanks great

[opaque cape]

what are the odds of getting a code like this lol

[thick rune]

suuuuuper thickkk

[low halo]

Someone passed out while entering the values and managed to push with a few extra thousand 0's on the heal

[sharp kraken]

Lmao

Well then

Give that one a raise

[storm tundra]

Haha omega healing 😂

[low halo]

This absolute bullshit ends tomorrow lol.

[opaque cape]

only tomorrow? wasnt it fixed already with todays patch?

[old lark]

lmaoooo i love it

[supple cave]

i had a guy with 9 empaths showing up today haha. he got rekt though

[supple cave]

i thought it was patched today

[storm tundra]

Playing playing illuvium arena

There isn’t a web3 game more fun

I played prime parallel too, but living interactive monsters are always going to be the living manifested form for card characters and everything flows in real life time, the strategy depth is amazing

Hope more ways to introduce strategic variety is added, and illuvium is the winner in web3 gaming by a mile

[old lark]

on a real note. it's been a couple days.

metas can/will/should last a bit. We should give it some time to see if ppl can find a way to beat it

[storm tundra]

Lots of web3 shooter games coming out, but their not unique, special or doing anything new, just a vanilla version of pre-existing shooters with blockchain slapped on

Illuvium is a true web3 game that excells web2 quality, fun and innovation and originality

[supple cave]

people are loving the arena.... what they don't realize yet is that you'll capture those creatures in the breathtaking overworld experience, fuse them yourself to new stages, get fking attached to your illuvials hahah, and will have to grind like a madman to actually make powerful weapons and armors. right now is all just testing

[coarse echo]

I may have fat fingered that one. Oops.

In seriousness though, it should be much more manageable after the patch from a little bit ago.

[coarse echo]

sadly, not me. Someone stole my tag, and I don't know who it is 😠

[elder estuary]

https://tenor.com/view/loki-tom-hiddleston-yes-asgardian-meme-gif-16277193

[old lark]

https://tenor.com/view/evil-laugh-gif-25449072

[storm tundra]

Exactly

In most card games, what happens is people are just given cards, and summon them

Now we can actually catch them ourselves, a totally new and better dynamic as to the original of the monsters and flexibility and variety to choose our own monsters to summon

[west quartz]

can we get an explanation on elo win/loss calculations ? just won 22 points on a 1750 elo account vs a 2100 elo player

thought it'd be quite higher

[noble radish]

You can look up the Glicko-2 rating system. Uncertainty is a factor too. Not just the elo.

[west quartz]

ty 🙂

[raven obsidian]

gg @sullen thunder

[edgy flower]

you welcome hehe

after new patch same bug with 200 MP on round 3

[dense helm]

This new patch was only balance patch.

Code fixes need a little more cycle time.

[edgy flower]

: (

[dense helm]

Don't fret we will get on it soon!

[vivid stirrup]

just hours after pvp launch there are balance patches coming thru already. say what you will but that is next level service

[sacred finch]

Arcanite was buffed or nerfed?

[vivid stirrup]

there is a link in the announcement for the patch notes 🙌

[sacred finch]

I read it but i couldn't get this conclusion about arcanite because it seems to have both positive and negative impacts

[sullen thunder]

[sullen thunder]

you the guy I just played with a shit load of Attipo right ahah ?

[old lark]

no lol that's becura i have a couple but he has 4 hahah

[raven obsidian]

grinded back up to gold! LFG🔥

[sullen thunder]

ah, well I played someone with 5 attipos in his team... that was annoying to beat lol

[old lark]

it's ridiculous haha

@plain dagger that is a wild build

---

After that beating my deck might need a larger overhaul lol

[sullen thunder]

it forces you to do critical placement thinking. Please just let me play with my last brain cell after rushing this Beta, I don't wanna think about anything

[old lark]

yeah - I need splash damage to compete also

[calm widget]

Sup yall, I have a question.

When I synergize my Ranger with an Illuvial, I gain the traits.

But when I put a weapon on, I lose the traits even though the weapon itself has the same traits.

Am I doing something wrong?

[dense helm]

It is early access still remember, I expect post open launch balance patch release cycle will need to be a little more slow and steady. But thanks! 🙂

[sullen thunder]

you end up with composite synergies

so you loose the "basic" ones

[old lark]

why when i give my ranger this who is bonded to a nature empath do I lose empath?

oh - duh

[sullen thunder]

yea, choose your weapons based on what middle / end game composite synergies you wanna deal with

[calm widget]

Ah okay so the weapons make the composites?

[sullen thunder]

yup

if you are bonded

[dense helm]

Combinations make the composites, if you put a weapon on without bonding...

🙂

[calm widget]

Okay that part confused me a bit though

So if you don't have a bond, it's composites. What about if you already do?

[sullen thunder]

if you don't have bond it wont be a composite, it will be the class / affinity of the weapon. Then when you bond, based on the illuvial you bond with, it will transform into composite

same for the otherway around ( bond without weapons )

[calm widget]

That makes sense, thanks!

[elder estuary]

What's the white and red damage?

[static steeple]

Questions on tournament? Is this only for the team liquid people's? Or did I miss a sign up or registration?

[gray steeple]

man i am shit at this game right now

[lethal widget]

TBA

Make sure to give it a 5* review btw guys

[raven obsidian]

where can you leave the review? i see its 4.8 rating but dont see an option to write one

[lethal widget]

Popped up for me on the game page

[raven obsidian]

hmm i'll keep looking

[uncut comet]

okay viper is off now its safe to q @cyan olive 🤣

[vivid stirrup]

example: ranger's weapon is earth/psion (bassic synergies) and you bond with an earth/psion illuvial, your ranger will get the traits from that illuvial.

so your ranger is then a granite (2x earth) invoker (2x psion) - those are composite synergies, which have 2 basic ones in them. for example: water+fire is the composite affinity steam!

if you bond with something that has already a composite synergy you will gain the dominant synergies for your ranger. this i go over in the beginning of this video! https://youtu.be/L9w14OTAb6c

[jagged gull]

what beats rogue decks btw

like whats the counter

[supple cave]

I just fought someone with a deck of 7 empaths and 5 air. this NEEDS a diminishing return!!! this can't be the meta!

[cyan olive]

lol

I am only up 30 points at 15:2 after patch today, shouldn´t play when tired when I get +3-4, -20^^

[vale coral]

@west musk GG!

[west musk]

Gg (:

[storm tundra]

Toxic is good i but 3 of them feels bad

1/1/2

They should make it 1/1.5/2, would really give toxic build life

[uncut comet]

30 points after 15 wins xD yeah ppl need to get higher

[waxen swan]

He was probably against lower elo people

[cyan olive]

toxic feels annoying to play vs, might need to think of a saver way of beating that stuff tmr

[waxen swan]

I get 10-12 usually

[cyan olive]

yeah, prob noone else at 2100

if people are even elo you get +-10

[waxen swan]

on my way 🫡

[cyan olive]

thx

[teal mica]

Hi, i try to ask here. Why doesnt i get the 2-3 bonus when I have shock Units on the board

[waxen swan]

+270 from today

[fair hemlock]

@honest pawn nice placement ser well played 😄

[cyan olive]

same line of illuvials doesn´t stack, needs to be different ones (only 1 line with shock in the game atm, so can only get 2 with ranger)

[honest pawn]

thank you 🙂

[teal mica]

Aaaah thx alot then i can move on

[old lark]

how do you tell if a lynx is a range lynx or not

[waxen swan]

Psion empath are range rest are melee

You can also tell from their range stat

[old lark]

tyty

[teal mica]

@cyan olive where can I read more about lines etc. I assume its more bonuses thats not achoveable atm

[fair hemlock]

@sick verge Are you also not seeing units appear on the field? stuck on an empty field

surrendered. Can't win against empty boards

[honest pawn]

I wonder how many active players we have now the game is open

[viral moss]

yee would love to see some stats

[night ermine]

can we see the leaderboards somewhere ?

[waxen swan]

Not yet

[native pilot]

@junior geyser gg, those rounds were so close!

[glad obsidian]

any pros over here interested in critiquing my deck? Still learning, looking for advice

https://play.illuvium.io/team-builder/747b46e6-d0dc-49d9-bb35-7a6d9bc4d8dd

[safe stirrup]

It’s perfect no improvement needed

[glad obsidian]

lol

[bleak escarp]

Bruh

[lethal widget]

Empath is officially still brutal and broken

[supple cave]

I am SO happy I won against this fking idiotic deck!!!!

now all i need is for my soccer team to win tonight

[sharp kraken]

Gl

Im surprised there isn’t an augment for killing shields quicker

[lethal widget]

An anti shield similar to the anti healing would do wonders

Literal eye roll every time I get the team preview and it’s just a bunch of alippos

[supple cave]

Yea, just want to stomp those pathetic little atippos

[mild sinew]

I received an email saying free mint of illuvials for being a beta tester. Is this real or scam?

[marsh bloom]

DMs are scams

Mods and Team members will never DM you.
Never trust advice or links received in DMs.

Beta access, giveaways, and promotions are not given out via DM. Scams are designed to trick you into installing malicious software to gain access to your wallet or to convince you to enter your seed phrase into a website. Never give your private key (12 to 24-word seed phrase) to anyone.

Support is not provided via DMs

Support is handled publicly, or in threads within the Illuvium Discord. People offering support via DM are scammers.

Please follow the instructions pinned in #report-scammers to report bad actors so we can remove them from the server.

[supple cave]

totally fake

[mild sinew]

Ok thank you, I almost believed it. How were they able to get my email?

[supple cave]

no idea. scammers are a pain in this world... there is a movie coming out with Jason Stratam where he pretty much kills all internet scammers. check #🏃〕off-topic

[marsh bloom]

DMs are scams

Mods and Team members will never DM you.
Never trust advice or links received in DMs.

Beta access, giveaways, and promotions are not given out via DM. Scams are designed to trick you into installing malicious software to gain access to your wallet or to convince you to enter your seed phrase into a website. Never give your private key (12 to 24-word seed phrase) to anyone.

Support is not provided via DMs

Support is handled publicly, or in threads within the Illuvium Discord. People offering support via DM are scammers.

Please follow the instructions pinned in #report-scammers to report bad actors so we can remove them from the server.

[mild sinew]

I think they got my email log in when I was streaming and logging in to Illuvium with my email

[glad obsidian]

Honestly though, looking to improve my game. Could use some guidance

[low halo]

What do you all think of the ranks?
I worked surprisingly hard on making them feel progressively cooler so I hope they are perceived that way

[mild sinew]

Me too. I do not know if fire is weak to water. I feel it is a game of luck

[supple cave]

they are awesome

[supple cave]

not luck at all. There is basically zero luck involved haha..

[sharp kraken]

Is there a pic of where you hit the next rank?

[supple cave]

water and earth have advantages against water, yes. The creatures with advantage build up a HYPE meter and eventually get a bunch of benefits

[minor quest]

I like them, I wish there was a way to view the ELO even while playing, there should be bigger animation when you rank up, and of course, leaderboards so we can see what ranks there are to achieve

[sharp kraken]

The way I understood it is the fire units will have a slower time gaining hyper against water

[lusty sleet]

Designs are v cool, but I prefer ladder grinds where you start from the bottom Bronze -> Silver -> Gold -> Plat etc - Just feels super weird to immediately start at 1,500 and initially quite unsatisfying from a player progression standpoint - I get the system probably has advantages to quicker more tuned matchmaking

[minor quest]

Yes i agree, i wish we had to start at bronze and work our way up

more sense of progression and achievement

[low halo]

I shared a leak of what rank up will be like a few weeks ago

[low halo]

It's the same system as chess.com has the Glicko system

[worldly jolt]

Unfortunately, there’s probably another reason. #📣〕announcements message

[supple cave]

maybe beginners can start at 1500, but without the badge. after 5 games, they get the badge according the the result

[low halo]

This is also coming

[opaque pike]

Badge designs are mint mate

[lusty sleet]

I know, but a progression system where ~80-90% of your Playerbase get farmed by the best players and never get above their starting rating and never make any progression doesn’t feel good imo and will likely cause frustration, stagnation and drop off

They’ll probably be a lot of data the team can pull & analyse in the coming weeks around this

[zenith mortar]

Does anyone actually have obelisk currently

[old lark]

we out here - lost my first 10 games lmao

[opaque pike]

Only issues I’m having are with the team builder and website, it’s really slow (probably my pc). I’d also like the the team builder to be able to place illuvials on a board and bond/add weapons to better visualise my team comp since the current way that it shows synergies is a bit rough

[fair hemlock]

close game @gloomy barn 🙂

[old lark]

yeah a round sim would be sick

[gloomy barn]

yep, i just attack speed'd down your bird and scoriox lol

[worldly jolt]

Dude, it takes forever to get back doesn’t it?

[fair hemlock]

it is the way 😄

[old lark]

such a mistake lmao it's been a grrrrind.

i hit 9xx something lolol

[worldly jolt]

Oh man. I was 1050 I think

[past mica]

ranks are way way better than the tft ones imo

[past mica]

world of warcraft starts you at 1500 so it felt natural to me as a wow vet

[night ermine]

is there any good counter team to empaths ?

[supple cave]

yeah, i am like 20-2 but still gold one. dont have time to play so many games

but it's fine

i dont think it should be hectic fast up and down

[supple cave]

go to the person's house and punch them in the face. If one of those 7 empath teams win the tournament on dec 2, it'll be a sad moment

[worldly jolt]

What’s kind of crazy is that those empath teams have been pretty strong for much of survival mode to

But definitely not the same way

[low halo]

Nah I agree, this comes with not having a big enough player base too though.
Things normalise over time.
Aaron explained it better than I could

[serene lance]

Whats the first one? The black one? Its too cool to be below bronze.

Other than that they are really satisfying, good job.

[low halo]

The black one was designed to be somewhat cool so even low rank players don't feel bad lol.
You come full circle and go from dark to dark holo.
Only the champion can reach the light

[lusty sleet]

Might just be a consumer interfacing problem where you have like a ingame rating based on wins-losses that’s easier to progress and more forgiving at early tiers and increasingly more punishing as you scale up

And then like a true ELO rating on the backend for matchmaking purposes

A ton of games do something similar

[minor quest]

Grant make the intro to the PFPs longer at the start before introduction to the enemy team! maybe just a second or two. I want to bask in the Illuvitar greatness!

[sharp kraken]

Lol cmon man

[serene lance]

Damn i still got stomped by attipo empath shield enchanter team, sadge

No anti-shield is rough

[tender gull]

Is today's update available yet?
Team builder still doesn't work on my Macbook

[serene lance]

Visual bug, platinum border at 1799.

[opaque sleet]

I played against you aha

[serene lance]

gg to you good sir

[golden garden]

Is anyone else concerned that PvP is going to become boring/stale very quickly? Based on the fact that we build our own teams…and can only build teams with the Illuvials we own?

All the skill/fun of TFT where every game is different…that’s is all gone, doesn’t exist with this game.

There is no skill in drafting teams on the fly.

[smoky python]

Definitely a concern but not really for your reasons

[golden garden]

This feels like it’s going to be 100% pay to win. Pay for the best meta Illuvials at the time…win games.

[serene lance]

Attipos are pretty cheap

[golden garden]

There are going to be websites with team comps, where they should be placed, and what augments on put on which Illuvials. Repeat over and over. And yes this exists with TFT, but, it is going to be MUCH worse with Illuvium…since you bring the same deck EVERY TIME.

[smoky python]

And you draw your whole deck at once so you get perfect turns

[golden garden]

It already feels really terrible how the battles progress. There is 0 thought needed.

And it doesn’t even matter if you lose the first or second round…get your power comp out there by turn 3 and you win.

You aren’t slowly thinking and outsmarting the other players…you’re bringing a pile of cards to a table and dumping them out, and saying I win.

That’s really disappointing.

[languid tulip]

Apologies for nitpicking such a useful graphic, but you may want to correct the ‘diamond 1’, ‘diamond 2’, ‘diamond 3’ in the Dark Holo category.

[fair hemlock]

big thanks xD we looked over that lol

[languid tulip]

This is closer to MTG than TFT in that regard.

Sure you can build what you think is the best meta deck, you can also blindly follow a guide, but if you aren’t one of the best players, you still won’t win.

[smoky python]

Nowhere close to the skill expression of MTG to be fair

[serene lance]

What are your suggestions?

Are the new balance updates live? Im versing attipo empath clumps still, using up to -70% healing and lots of AOE dmg and still cant kill any of them haha

[languid tulip]

Hard for me to comment on, since I still haven’t played Arena myself yet.

Although I believe my comment is still correct. It is closer to MTG in terms of the deck building aspect and buying what people think are the best cards.

[mild anchor]

would be cool to have chat in PvP

[serene lance]

Coming soon

[mild anchor]

playing there - chatting here : D

[glad obsidian]

How git gud tho

[mild anchor]

copy paste decks

[bleak escarp]

If you cant beat 'em...

[mild anchor]

copy them

https://tenor.com/view/who-me-gif-24687622

[bleak escarp]

https://tenor.com/view/300-shields-ready-ready-frank-miller-spartans-gif-5492752

[languid sparrow]

Here's a nice infographic for the Ascendant Ranks. Enjoy, community!

[wild burrow]

Guys, the equations in the illuvials are correct? because i was reading about atlas omega and if that numbers are correct he gains 43.380 as shield and the damage is 11.680. this damage is higher than Ramphire omega.

[old lark]

why me why meeee

[west trout]

I'm kinda lost how do I make my Ranger a Berserker? Is there like a png with like all composites affinities/classes?

[mild anchor]

Does anyone have endless "waiting for opponent"?

[jagged gull]

ye happnd to me aswell

[mild anchor]

safe to leave then? or surrender?

[jagged gull]

empty board

[sly garnet]

try just having the team builder browser open and close the game whilst doing your team maybe?

[sly garnet]

yeah i'm stuck in one now with sambam'

[opaque pike]

Yea that’s what I’ve been doing

[mild anchor]

exit the game and reconnect

otherwise opponent just wins ...

[supple cave]

a lot of bugs going on

with games getting stuck

[sly garnet]

haha that old chesnut hey? It's probably you i'm stuck with and you wanna get me to quit so you win?! hahaha

[sly garnet]

ah ok

[mild anchor]

u'll see lol

[old lark]

would be tight if you could move a whole configuration on the board

[spice iris]

Just noticed the Mystic Text have Zero values, and the Rogue Synergy is 2/4/6.

[supple cave]

they changed rogue to be 2/4/6

its right

[spice iris]

cool

[supple cave]

report bug

[spice iris]

I did

[golden garden]

90% of the skill required to be good at TFT is thrown out the window with this game. My suggestions would be to make the game more like TFT…but I understand the main reason they can’t is $$$. They need the game to be this way so they can get people to pay for resources and land and buy Illuvials and make decks…so they can never be like TFT…but that is a big problem. Nobody is going to want to come play this game over TFT because TFT is way more fun, way more diverse, more skill intensive, more variety….

[mild anchor]

Ser people came to play Illuvium, not TFT

[supple cave]

I think tft sucks and i am enjoying the hell out of illuvium

[supple cave]

this guy must be losing a lot lol

[rare meteor]

thank god

[golden garden]

This could be the big reason Web3 gaming fails, never gets off the ground. Game devs have to monetize things that are free in other traditional games…and this will ALWAYS make the web3 games worse.

[golden garden]

People playing this right now are here for $$$/crypto or, don’t know about TFT yet.

[rare meteor]

on the other hands you give RIOT money for skins and u dont get anything back

you could sell your skins here

why the hell not

u can even do it on counter strike

riot is just greedy

[golden garden]

I’ve never paid a dime for TFT lol.

[rare meteor]

i know but a lot of ppl have

[golden garden]

Ok?

[supple cave]

are you paying to play illuvium arena?

[golden garden]

That doesn’t change the fact that this game is terrible compared to TFT.

[rare meteor]

u cant compare this game with tft other than the board and positioning

[golden garden]

No…becuase it’s free right now…

[rare meteor]

this is much closer to a tradicional card game

[supple cave]

thats your opinion, friend. I think TFT sucks and won't waste 1 second of my life playing it, and that's my opinion.

[rare meteor]

where u gonna be able to sell ur cards

and choose what card u get

i mean

[golden garden]

No it isn’t, it’s an autobattler.

[rare meteor]

no .. its not lol but ok

u dont need to refresh ur store, u build ur deck before hand and u dont face 8 other ppl

[supple cave]

the game is much more than the arena

[rare meteor]

its a completely different game

Its the same comparison as dota/lol with HOTS ... they have similar genres but are worlds appart

[golden garden]

The player pool playing this is going to be only people playing to earn. People from Brazil, Philippines, Singapore, etc. Then there will be some owners that play. 0 casual players playing for the fun of it.

[fallen vortex]

this is a visual bug right?

[supple cave]

no\

[fallen vortex]

u cant proc max rogue with 4

that cant be real

i thought it went to 2/4/6

[stray bobcat]

Man i sucked at arena, i think ive lost 15 games with one win

[golden garden]

Everything else is $, nothing else. Pay for land, pay to capture Illuvials in Overworld…

[supple cave]

oh, yeah, i though it was 2-4-6 also

[golden garden]

A giant time sink and $ sink…

Farmville

[rare meteor]

u also need to pay for cards on hearthstone.. magic arena ... pokemon tcg .. every single card game lol

but here u can sell ur digital assets as well as choose what u get on a "pack"

[golden garden]

You can play most of those games completely free.

[rare meteor]

u will be able to play ilv free as well ...

[supple cave]

you can play totally free, just like you play tft for free while a lot of people spend money. Like my son plays fortnite for free while the company is making 40 billion dollars with the game because players are spending money

illuvium will always have a huge free to play experience

[golden garden]

I’m just saying….Arena as it stands is super linear…very little skill involved, gets boring very quickly.

[rare meteor]

also it doesnt say anything about rogue on patch notes

weird

[supple cave]

yet people are playing 10-12 hours straight

[rare meteor]

oh, i agree with that, they do need to make a sense of progression

[mild anchor]

may be it is beta. Someone told me it is the first public beta, hmm

weird

[rare meteor]

achievements, daily missions and this kind of stuff

but yea, this is day 2 of early access

so its fine i guess

[golden garden]

Who Scoriox? The ILV slappy that makes Illuvium videos multiple times a day for YouTube? lol

[supple cave]

lol, yes, this is just the beta test of pvp. there is a TON to come

[golden garden]

Other influencers hoping to profit $$$ off this game?

[rare meteor]

im not influencer and i play 10 hours a day

i just like the game

but im more on the competitive side

i understand when u say the game need something for casuals

i agree with you on that

[supple cave]

no man, me and a bunch of other people. I am no influencer. But you can go have fun playing TFT if you prefer. Do whatever you like. Come back to check on Illuvium during open beta

[golden garden]

I fall into the manager/owner that will@play a little here and there.

I’m just disappointed that this is what the Arena part of the game is.

It’s boring, linear, requires very little skill, very repetitive.

Dump deck on the board, same way, every game, watch.

Turn 1, dump 25% of your stuff on the board, just like last game. Turn 2, dump half your stuff on the board, just like last game….turn 3…

[wicked cloak]

maybe in noob elo

what is your rating

[golden garden]

Bro go watch what these “10-12 hour players” are doing…they find the best deck, build it, play it over and over.

Yes there is a lot of experimentation going on right now, but that’ll be over once everyone figurines out the OP decks.

[mild anchor]

called grind in gaming yes. Same when in Dota people grind one hero - still ok

[earnest peak]

is team builder down?

[supple cave]

have you been to the overworld?
and how do you think an autobattler should be 1x1? its not TFT 8x8

[dense helm]

I mean its the same in TFT, lots of people just forace a comp. But as you get higher you need to be able to flex.

But the game has some aspects that are closer to a card game style then TFT for example.

This is why I'm suggesting tournaments should follow card game style ideas where you bring 4 Teams, your opponent bans one, then play conquest or survival style, etc.

[golden garden]

Then it’ll be the same players playing the same decks over and over…and ELO will be based on who gets matched up with who, and the results will be based solely on the deck you’re running and getting “lucky” to be matched up against decks you counter. That’s it.

[golden garden]

Yes I have, Overworld is a boring grind.

[wicked cloak]

thats only if you have one brain cell and play the exact same cards every time, i have a deck but i have 3 different styles based off of who im playing against

[golden garden]

Wow 3 different styles? All 3?

That’s variety.

That’s using your brain.

[fallen vortex]

whats base dodge and crit again?

[dense helm]

There's enough space in a deck to play quite flexibly, yes if you hit a hard counter (agaisnt another skilled player) then you are in trouble, but matches are quick. Ranked mode will be similar in that regard to a card game like Hearthstone. But true mastery comes through knowing the entire meta.

[wicked cloak]

and then i have 4 other decks that all have 3 different styles

[golden garden]

You can only play 1 deck at a time.

[wicked cloak]

you could prolly do the math but ill help you out, thats 15 different types of deck i get to play during the day

[dense helm]

I mean TL reviewed and played the game before agreeing to a partnership and the seem to think it has significant competitive merit ... but what would the highest earning eSports team know 🤷‍♂️

[past mica]

You're not wrong, Illuvium is meant to be more deterministic instead of luck based, which means skill trumps all, they have stated this is super early release, about 60% of where they want to see it at, I assume one of the ways they'll keep shaking up the meta is to give us a slow feed of new illuvials for us to catch in the different regions, this will guarentee a dynamically changing meta

[golden garden]

Depends on how much you guys paid them 🤷

[wicked cloak]

sorry, but it just sounds like you one of those people who just arent good at these kinds of games so now you have to talk bad on it lol, its not for everyone, go play fortnite

[golden garden]

This game is extremely linear…

[past mica]

not helpful, he is being honest with his experience, telling people to go quit and play somewhere else is something I keep seeing over and over in here, and it's not the right answer, let the staff take in the feedback and give them a chance to reply before we continue scaring people away please

[wicked cloak]

its not feedback, hes saying the whole entire pvp experience is bad, its not a little thing the team can fix, he just doesnt like the game

[golden garden]

Yea but my big issue with the game is how linear it is. Dump the same stuff on the board each game, maybe a little thinking involved with positioning and hyper, but that’s it, dump all your points out there and hope for the best.

[golden garden]

It is feedback, as someone invested in this I want it to succeed…and this product is not good right now.

Not even close.

[mild anchor]

hence it is beta - you wrote 1 time about your feedback. Enough to get noticed

[golden garden]

Maybe it changes drastically…I hope it will.

[mild anchor]

can press B in game for feedback as well

[past mica]

I hear you, but if new Illuvials are being added then there will be tons of periods where people will be discovering new meta combinations, so it might get repetitive at periods, but they are creating a loop of interoperability where you can catch new illuvials to break the meta in arena, so you have to see the whole picture

[wicked cloak]

what would you change about it

[mild anchor]

ofc it will change

we all want it to succeed - no doubt

but there is fine line between being constantly pessimistic and giving constructive feedback

if you check your message history, it is the former to be honest

[golden garden]

I know it’s a boring answer, but make the game more like TFT. I won’t be playing much if all this game is is being a deck to the board, dump Illuvials out there, the first couple turns don’t even really matter…get your comp completed by turn 3 and you are good.

And it’s a GUARANTEE to get there every game.

Because you get to pick your deck every game.

That’s linear.

[wicked cloak]

well you also have to take into account that you have to catch the illuvials first, you cant just make a deck out of whatever you want

[golden garden]

That’s boring.

[twin mortar]

so why are you still here if you dont like 2/3 of the game modes

[opaque cape]

thats what's better about ilv than tft, less rng bs

[golden garden]

Yea and how many competitive players do you think are going to spend hours running around the Overworld collecting? 0

[rare meteor]

yep

tft is great for casuals

but it sucks to compete

ive played years of competitive tft

[dense helm]

I think you are failing to understand how vast the effects of augments and positioning are. Some balance issues in the patches have drowned some of that nuance out, but its pretty intense.

But again, there are similarities to CCGs in the respect with the way teams are built, and the way meta effects the gameplay. Maybe YOU don't like that, but lots of people do.

[rare meteor]

its a horrible experience

[wicked cloak]

not a lot probably

[rare meteor]

its good for content creators / casual palyers only

[old lark]

@wispy quail you dog

[dense helm]

That said some kind of TFT carousel like mode might be a cool addition down the road. But it won't be something we look at until well after launch.

[wispy quail]

Your welcome 🙂

[supple cave]

are you winning in the arena since it's so simple?

[golden garden]

You’re right I won’t claim to understand all that quite yet, I’ve only been playing a few hours, but just the fact that you get to build a deck, have a guarantee to be able to put the exact same team on the board every game, with a few changes here and there…that’s way too linear. Gets boring very quickly.

[past mica]

I really dont think this guy hates the game, he said he is invested, and he is here providing feedback because he cares, he just doesnt see how it wont be cookie cutter all the time, and thats fair, but like I stated before, this is 60% where its going to be, have a little faith, this is the most progress any web3 game has made so far, give it time and the team shows they can deliver quality

[wicked cloak]

but you dont play the same illuvials every time, it depends on what the other persons deck looks like

[dense helm]

Its a totally reasonable point, particularly if you expect a certain kind of gameplay.

[golden garden]

Yea because I made the 7 Empath deck and won 69 games in a row.

[rare meteor]

i mean, negative feedback is great feedback as well and shouldnt be ignored

[rare meteor]

🤣

[dense helm]

I'm not shutting down ideas ... but as I said its definitely not the plan for now.

[dense helm]

I've also only had about 10 hours sleep in 3 days so I may not be making any sense.

[past mica]

youre good brother

[golden garden]

Yes you have a “sideboard” so to speak, a few situational Illuvials you can play, move into fire instead of water and vice versa depending on your opponent, but still that’s way too linear….due to the fact that there is 0 thinking involved in the team building process. That’s all done already before the game starts.

[opaque cape]

so having a random shop with random chances and a random carousel with random items and random positioning on which side of the carousel you are at is better?

[supple cave]

i certainly will. i think it's a beautiful world and a cool mechanic for the rpg they are building and will be greatly expanded upon.

[dense helm]

I would suggest see how the game evolves once balance patches in it, more people stream, tournament modes come out, etc .. continue playing if you have enough interest ... and understand that even if you don't like it, a lot of people really seem to like it very much (and hopefully continue to do so).

[rare meteor]

yea the tournament is definetly gonna be interesting to say the least

balance wise

the game looks pretty balanced tbh for something that just released

i mean its impossible to make a perfect balance on this kind of game but, it looks great

[past mica]

It's not better, but I know what he means, the feeling of luck is heavily related to gambling, like looting stuff when you kill enemies, there is a "what am I gonna get" factor that TFT does a great job with, if Illuvium could figure out how to add that somehow without messing up its deterministic ethos than I think it would satisfy a lot of what the feedback is saying

[dense helm]

I mena I had the most success in TFT hard forcing comps anyway. I play more for fun now, but when I was trying to get good, I typically played one or two core comps 90% of the time with almost no variation.

[rare meteor]

exactly

[wicked cloak]

i mean they told us the thinking in this would be on the board after you have seen the enemy team, im not sure why you thought there was going to be any thought going into building your team in live action.

[dense helm]

I mena we have the OW Encounters, D1sks, etc. This game mode is really supposed to be not at all about luck for the very specific purpose of being competitive.

[rare meteor]

i got 6th on brazilian regional oficial tournament from riot, with like 5k players trying to win with only 2 comps basically

tft is not made to be competitive

its very fun tho

[opaque cape]

Chess etc exist for thousands of years

and noone is complaining that there's not enough randomness

[wicked cloak]

it seems like you are looking for a game that is more based on luck rather than a game that is based on pure skill

[golden garden]

I think this game has the best shot at being as big or bigger than other big traditional games. But as it stands I don’t see that happening. Add in things like barrier of entry and cost fluctuation and regular gamers are going keep doing what they are already doing.

[vale coral]

tHe BoArd and PieCes aRe Always The Same

[opaque cape]

OmG my bishop cant move like a knight this time

[dense helm]

I mean to me it seems like if we get all the esports crowd the rest will follow. Remember post Open beta our prize pools will be masssive, there are lot of tokens set aside for rewrads.

[golden garden]

How much skill is there in copying a deck from a website, learning the meta, and doing the same thing over and over?

[dense helm]

But if you do that you will lose. There is way more depth to positioning and coutner play than you are giving credit for.

[rare meteor]

same can be said for tft tho

[golden garden]

Turn 1, dump 100 points on the board. Turn two, dump another bunch of points….

[wicked cloak]

but you arent doing the same thing over and over again lol, i think you are underestimating the amount that certain people will be nerfed once feedback comes back

[dense helm]

Play a comp that isn't bugged and you might see more of that.

[old lark]

run it back?

[golden garden]

Like learning WEFNA? That’s not hard.

[wicked cloak]

I garuntee you pick any deck right now and i will beat you because you dont understand augments and how they work and how positioning works

[dense helm]

Dumping full points is a rush deck strategy that is definitely not right for many styles.

[past mica]

We just partnered with the number 1 esports team in the world today, they wouldnt have partnered with us if they didnt like our game, it will be interesting to see how high level pros handle it, surely we will see some exciting perspectives battle it out, we may see potential decks and placements and playstyles that we never realized as possible till we see it

[dense helm]

Anyway these guys probably already know more than me about the depths of the game, and I need to sleep. Thanks for your feedback, I don't agree, but we will see how it goes.

[golden garden]

You’re right, I haven’t learned anything about augments yet, but I bet you there are certain augments that work well on certain Illuvials, and you put those on those Illuvials every game. Sounds tough.

[wicked cloak]

nope, i use different augments based on what the other team has played and where i position my illuvials

[rocky mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/all-of-this-pointing-up-there-see-this-gif-14720503

[manic fjord]

this make me remember HUNTER rush deck in Hearthstone, pretty sure everyone build it back then in that season, but sometime you meet counter deck and kaboom.

[wicked cloak]

im not gonna use a anti heal augment if the other team doesnt have healz lol

[rocky mortar]

But we always keep one in deck, just in case

[wicked cloak]

exactly

[opaque cape]

turn 1, just move your pawn, turn 2, just move your knight

gl beating magnus carlsen

[golden garden]

Thats another thing, seems like decks are allowed way too much.

[wicked cloak]

and sometimes i have ot play the antiheal augment, meaning i cant play another augment, meaning i can no longer position my guy where i wanted to

[golden garden]

Too many augments, too much armor…weapons.

[dense helm]

Last comment: maybe before assuming how the game works when openly saying you don't know even know about basic bits of it you should learn it first ... right now it is like someone who doesn't know what 'castling' or 'en passant' is saying chess has no depth.

You might be right, but you should probably reserve judgement.

Anyway, I'm out. Sleep!

[opaque cape]

gn

[wicked cloak]

it just feels like you have only played the bugged empath deck and dont really understand how anything works

i just played a guy with the exact same deck as me, but it wasnt even close cause he was just throwing guys down

[golden garden]

I’ll be playing more tomorrow, disappointed so far. Just really don’t like the whole deck building part of it, guaranteed team comp every game.

[manic fjord]

Technically this pvp experience if more of a deck building game + tft , might not suit you

[golden garden]

Guaranteed comps, guaranteed counters, guaranteed everything.

[wicked cloak]

I feel like what you want could be a game mode in the future, but we knew what we were getting here with a prebuilt deck, just not sure why you thought that was going to be different

[opaque cape]

guaranteed chess pieces, guaranteed chess board, guaranteed positioning every game boohoo

[golden garden]

I actually didn’t follow close enough to realize that, until playing today.

[rocky mortar]

28 cards are not a lot. Just enough to switch up some illuvials/ augments to pivot, if needed in a match

[golden garden]

I thought it would be more build as you go type game, like TFT.

[manic fjord]

if you enjoy more random stuff TFT is the place to go for now. But do comeback and try Wave clearing mode or hopefully ,match 8 arena where everything should be random liek the wave clearing

[opaque cape]

its not a copy of tft... its a different style with less rng

if you want more rng, play tft instead

[earnest peak]

Is anyone able to get on team builder right now? I want to make some changes but it won't let me to that part of the site

[wicked cloak]

all good, maybe thats why you were dissapointed, what you are suggesting could be cool, but they were going for a less luck based game, id say stick around and see how it turns out, I feel like the skill part of the game will become more apparent as patches and nerfs come out

[rocky mortar]

Thank god for the less RNG part

[golden garden]

Yes I’m not going anywhere, I’m too invested already. But, that’s another problem in and of itself, how many are here becuase they own ILV tokens, or Land?

And how many are here becuase they think the game is cool and own 0 assets?

[worldly jolt]

Make sure that you are logged in with your email address and not just a wallet.

[golden garden]

Is there anyone here that can claim to own 0 ILV, Land, or ETH?

If not, that’s another problem.

[worldly jolt]

I think probably there are. Though mostly they just want to get paid to play a game.

[golden garden]

Right, I made that point.

[earnest peak]

I am logged in but when I click team builder on the site it just quick flashes and stays on the same page instead of going to it

[wicked cloak]

I also think you are underestimating how many people are here for the pokemon side of the game

there are only 44 thousand people who hold ILV and there are 183k people in this discord

[worldly jolt]

Try this… https://play.illuvium.io/team-builder

If that’s still bad the. Maybe clear browser cache. Not really sure. #❓❓〕support may have ideas.

[manic fjord]

honestly i just want to know about the user acquisition on epicgames, who care if they are in discord or not, most game I play im not in the game discord

[earnest peak]

Still didn't work, I will try a few other things. Are you saying when you click that you get to team builder?

[worldly jolt]

I do yes.

[earnest peak]

clearing cache worked, thanks

[past mica]

yeah pushing the playerbase to discord is my least favorite part about the illuvium brand by far personally

[manic fjord]

but yes, quite sad to not see a big rumble with 8 player like other auto games. Maybe they will add it in the future, but for now, the plan are locked with Ascendant, Survival , Leviathan

[sharp gull]

faced a bug midgame where , the game got stuck at waiting for your opponent

cant upload a ss though

[wicked cloak]

what bad about it, there is so much information on this discord we want as many people on here as possible

[manic fjord]

good thing we are in trending

[worldly jolt]

Yeah I’ve had that a few times as well. Try pressing B to report the bug before exiting the game

[sharp gull]

got it

[golden garden]

Yes right now as is, this game is basically heading toward, “I live in XYZ country where playing web3 games nets me more $ than working on a farm or in a factory…so I log into my scholar Illuvium account, play the same deck every day, win 40-50 games a day, make $0.69 per game…log out, repeat.”

[past mica]

dont want to get into it honestly, but websites and social platforms have been perfect medians for communities in the past

[golden garden]

Just gonna be another web3 grinding game where owners have scholars using their assets to make passive income.

[sharp gull]

you can make money by playing each game ??, i have 20-30 game till now

how do you do it

[manic fjord]

actually, i dont think we gonna make money from the free arena

I think on Leviathan where your deck actually need to be caught and trained from overworld

But honestly , if you can earn money playing a game you like, i dont see the down side. We have gold farmer everywhere on any game that can be trade, being in web3 this a thing. Lets those who want to earn money earn, and those who want to play catch em all catch.

Will try a few games of arena during weekend, but ultimately I'm aiming for Overworld

[sharp gull]

so leviathian is the place where you earn by playing per match

yes me too , excited for overworld

[manic fjord]

I can always go for TFT if i dont like Arena, but sure hell not gonna play Pokemon now if i dont like Overworld, Pokemon have lost their touch

[manic fjord]

at least that the rumor floating around

[sharp gull]

i see

[serene lance]

Notice how this guy doesn’t reply to any of the comments that make sense and rebut what he’s complaining about. Probably a troll and not worth anyones time.

[manic fjord]

nah, just a fellow investor in web3 space who not happy about the product, he is free to make cmt, just dont judge thing too one side without seeing everything first.

aight, time for me to head out. GM all

[viral moss]

make a MOBA outta these illuvials... GG

[sharp kraken]

The guy does have a point

There is a couple games that use this method

And don’t actually play the game. Which is fine I guess?

[hearty peak]

bruh, most MMO games are all ''I log into a game, play the same (deck/hero/gun) everyday and try to get better at it for 40-50 games a day(if you're young and have the whole day to spare), make 300 mmr, logout and repeat"

Maybe you've been playing too many Single player easy games like idk, harry potter?

If you ever played anything that requires any sort of improvement in your skill/craft(example: Elden Ring), you would be able to see that it is the same pattern, practice over and over again until you get good.

[hearty peak]

Fine if you're going for scrapes and leftovers.

Take axie in the past for example - top leaderboard actually makes you way more than brainless drones at low mmr.

Quality > Quantity, unless your time has no value in real life.

[random sluice]

With Leviathan, you are going to have had to spend a lot of cash, or cash & time, to get a competitive deck. only the people at the very top will make money. In Leviathan you play leveled Illuvials, which can only be found in overworld and leveled in overworld/arena, or purchased off the secondary market.

[hearty peak]

Skills dont matter?

That's like saying because I buy a lambo, I am the fastest driver on the road, until you get smoked by a tuned JDM looking like a peasant car.

[random sluice]

I didnt mean to say skills dont matter by any means. I was just saying that grinding games in Leviathan wont get you prizes unless you are gud AND have a gud deck. Arena mode is more pure skill based. At least i think thats the idea

Arena = all illuvials are equal, Leviathan = each illuvial is unique with its own stats and level

[hearty peak]

True, you have a good point there.

[hoary mason]

Even if its that, the game is genuinely fun to many. So whys it a bad thing?

[sharp gull]

Guys sorry for interrupting, but i have question , how do i defeat a guy with full fire synergy and att

Deck contains rhampyre , volante , sear , and other cards

[random sluice]

its not economically sustainable if people can do that and suck the value out of the system. everything goes to zero ala axie

[sharp gull]

Tried using full water , but its too squishy

[hoary mason]

And why are yall thinking it will go this way?

[random sluice]

I think it wont go that way, which is good. I just wouldnt expect returns in the same way axie played out. Likely you will be putting in more money than you get out. Devs need to be paid etc etc. But if you are really good, then yeah you will make some money. Most wont though.

[hoary mason]

I am having fun with arena, but I wonder if thats also because I'm invested. Do we know if anyones playing whos not invested?

[random sluice]

Seems like there are some out there on twitter, but I'm sure Kieran will have some stats on that soon enough

[fierce river]

I think in the early game they should be gradually easing players into the mid/late game. Tft, most card games, and most auto battlers you start with weaker and lower tier units then gradually work your way up more powerful units and tiers (through leveling up or combining units, etc.). I feel like for the average player they jump into an ILV game and they probably feel overwhelmed by all the options.

Players could pick from a mutual pool of units via a draft that adds more and more units as rounds roll on or many other ways to scale it without necessarily limiting options completely.

Also I wish there was more of an RNG element.

In general there was more adaptability forced instead of throw down x y z unit type because that's the popular meta or build order

[random sluice]

avg player will start by collecting their own deck in free tier 0 overworld. It will likely be affinity based. Its just the beta that gives you everything up front. I think there will be simple premade decks too.

[fierce river]

Yes I mean for the beta itself

[hoary mason]

I do not want to see more RNG, maybe a separate mode sure fine. But I want true skill modes, like we have.

[random sluice]

agree it would be nice

[fierce river]

Do you feel like currently there is more or less rng compared to tft?

[jagged gull]

full empath makes me want to sumsmash my monitor 😂

[hoary mason]

Idk, never played tft. I play clash royal

[random sluice]

i dont think theres any rng but could be wrong

[fierce river]

I think some rng is good for games. Even in clash you have what cards you get in what order

Although I would agree not a lot of RNG in that game

[random sluice]

might be fun to add an rng mode

[hoary mason]

Yeah, definitely keep no rng tho

[fierce river]

I think a lot of auto battlers and card games have a good amount of RNG. I used to be very strictly against it but over the years think of it as more positive (as long as there isn't too much)

[mild anchor]

rank progressing so slowly, but falls so quickly

tough

[warm frost]

did they nerf empath class yet ?

[worldly jolt]

A little bit

Patch notes
https://illuvium.io/news/illuvium-arena-beta-3-v0-3-1-patch-notes

[west quartz]

https://tenor.com/view/mhm-mhmm-sure-thing-sure-doubt-gif-22192499

if you did, you'd be the highest elo player atm

[upper wraith]

How do I choose the DOMINANT type？

[lethal widget]

In the team builder there will be options for each

Choose the card with the combo you want

[west quartz]

well most of us did read what the game would be about before buying anything though..

[burnt willow]

I believe @golden garden makes a valid point about the pay-to-win aspect. Maybe around 90% of the player base is enjoying the game right now, and we may attract more players in the coming months. But once the full game releases, this whole experience will change completely. How many casual players will be willing to spend money to capture Illuvial for use in arena?
2nd question: If this will be an ESPORT game , will pros need to play overworld to compete in tournaments?

I'm a CSGO - CS2 Player and what I know Is that skins are cosmetic enhancements and are not meant to give an advantage to a player in anyway.

[honest pawn]

ranking up is so painful

[west quartz]

well how many people paid to collect pokemons ?

[warm frost]

can someone explain omni vamp ?

[lethal widget]

Got an empath melter deck now

Those atippos don’t know what hits them

[lethal widget]

Basically just life leech

From all damage

[honest pawn]

they just nerfed and fixed

[lethal widget]

Yeah was still brutal though

[honest pawn]

Ive only ran into one today

[burnt willow]

Are you talking about Pokemon cards?

[honest pawn]

The illuvial will recover a % of all damage dealt as health.

[lethal widget]

Makes my scoriox have to do work

[upper wraith]

How do you turn a tsunami into water?

[west quartz]

how do you turn a cake into raw dough ?

tsunami is water + water

so you have to remove something to tsunami to get water

[glad obsidian]

When using psion, how what types of augments do I need to beef them? I don’t know the difference between omega power, energy, etc

[warm frost]

life leach when you attack? or get atttached ?

[lethal widget]

When you attack

Like a vampire getting life from sucking blood

If that helps you remember

[lethal widget]

Energy is how fast it charges, omega power is the size of the effect

[honest pawn]

from all source of dmg you delt including omega

[elder rover]

Why can't I open the team builder? Is this a known issue right now?

[random sluice]

yeah log out and log back in fixed it for me

[elder rover]

Same fixed, thanks

I think it might be caused by logging in first with my wallet

[violet portal]

for returning(newbie) arena players, is there a guide, or pinned message, that tells us the rock paper scissors of the different affinities, I use to have to written down long time ago?

[glad obsidian]

If I use an arcane terralynx and an arcane emberlynx, will the psion affinity stack?

[dark vine]

could we get a silence drone option? I hate this childish behavior and don't want to interact with it. Also it is pretty normal to have this option.

[sinful sequoia]

I believe so

What can pierce 1000 shields? 7 empath is kicking my butt, positioning be damned

[worldly jolt]

Get some shield and energy reducing augments.

[worldly jolt]

Yes

[reef basalt]

Hows the meta now that Empath, Water, and Nature regen got nerfed

[robust surge]

First time reaching 33

Didn't know there's a new cap now though

[serene lance]

attipo empath ranger staff blazenite stacked in a corner is still almost unbreakable

perma blind disarm silence and perma shields

anti heal, pure damage, aoe damage, resolve, all of it together not enough to beat most times

its all good tho, they will keep doing balance patches

[uncut comet]

yeah impossible to get this fuking bird out of that corner

[serene lance]

theres nothing in the game at the moment that counters shield

as far as i know of at least

[reef basalt]

cap has been 40 ever since for survival

[reef basalt]

What seriously? even with the nerf? I had hoped that would disappear lol

[robust surge]

Oh I didn't know, I have only seen people showing level 32 :/

[jade pecan]

Use Titanor

[reef basalt]

Blazenite and titanor to keep them stunned ::D

[serene lance]

I have thrown goliant in my deck yeah

but you also need enough damage aswell

so by round 3 or 4 to get it all out youre almost dead lol

[west quartz]

started reading about it, and it says that "The length of time for a rating period is at
the discretion of the administrator.". Can you tell us what value you use for this ? or do you calculate every game so each game we start with a new rating deviation and volatility ?

[low halo]

We have an anti shield augment coming in but not sure how fast.
That will be better than straight nerfing it.

[reef basalt]

Agree 100%. Having multiple solutions provides diversity. Happy to hear how fast you guys are working in this.

[low halo]

The nuance of do you have less illuvials or less Augments to play with is where a lot of the fun strategies form

[low halo]

We're moving fast because we're addicted just like everyone else here 🥲

Also it's been said but a lot of the countering comes from having all the illuvials to play with.
The games gonna be completely rebalanced by AI once they're all in

[reef basalt]

Dude. I have over 50 hrs in playing from the time you gave me a code. Just dont ask what my rank is lol

But this is why I love the concept of the DAO. Theres a real and actionable channel where the community is given a platform to provide feedback and ideas on the game and the team is able to take those and act on it.

Even if the team already knew the solution but having the community to voice it out and be heard is impactful.

[low halo]

We also began work on set 2 illuvials lol. Wacko

[west quartz]

Btw grant the fact that when using an augment triggering at the start of fight on rogue triggers at their original position and not where they land after the jump, is it a bug or is it intended to work that way ?

[reef basalt]

Will we be seeing some leaks of set 2 illuvials? 👀

[south spire]

Hello! looking for some help. Why can I not hit 3 magma affinity?

[reef basalt]

You need to bond your ranger for the 3rd magma

[south spire]

bond it to a magma illuvial?

[waxen swan]

You need 3 individual magma units

[reef basalt]

Not necessarily. Magma is earth and fire. So either have a fire weapon and bond to an earth dominant illuvial or have an earth weapon and bond to a fire dominant illuvial

[waxen swan]

Scoriox sear and then bond ranger with earth + fire or fire + earth

[low halo]

Your ranger needs a earth or fire weapon and to bond to a fire or earth dominant illuvial.

Magma is earth x fire.

[serene lance]

Because Sear and Singe are from the same illuvial line, so having both of them out does not yield both of the 2 magmas

[south spire]

Okay okay so having sear and his baby and scoricx cant get me to 3? AAHHHHHHH

[reef basalt]

nopes cause sear and singe are from the same illuvial line. They dont stack the same affinity or class

[south spire]

okay so bond ranger to a fire type illuvial by clicking the plus sign

[low halo]

With an earth weapon

[reef basalt]

yes making sure your ranger has an earth weapon equiped.

[low halo]

Or vice versa

You can have a fire weapon and bond to earth illuvial. If the illuvial is already a composite it takes the dominant affinity.
(This is why we have multiple illuvials in the team builder)

[south spire]

Thank you thank you

[low halo]

It works for classes too

[south spire]

okay okay. Second question. If I have lets day 5 fire affin and a magma on the board with dominant fire trait is is getting the plus from the fire affin? plus giving me one magma? or is the dominant affinity just for ranger bonding?

[low halo]

No. It will effect hyper though.
Magma is seoerate from straight fire synergy

[waxen swan]

It'll get the team bonus but not the fire bonus

Dominant affinity is important with hyper as well

[low halo]

If you are using water units against a team of fire and air illuvials, try and position your water illuvials to interact with the fire units as much as possible

This is why placement is key and can make or break a win

[south spire]

understood. i am not tracking all the mechanics of the hyper yet but i understand getting 3 magma which i think will be huge

i am focusing on a air fire magma build

[low halo]

You can check hyper in the left and right panel

[waxen swan]

The third stat tab shows the hyper state of units and the little i button has a hyper chart

[low halo]

It us useful to play games with it visible to see how the game is calculating

[serene lance]

Coat the entire board in magma, BURN YOUR ENEIMIES TYRANIZARD

[reef basalt]

Another thing about primaries is that they give 2 types of bonuses one to the team as a whole and the same affinities just gain more. So in your example, while you have 5 fire. Magma benefits from the team-wide bonus still while the 5 fire illuvials gains more benefit.

[south spire]

yes tracking this. thank you scrub!

[waxen swan]

This is looking like a walk dog into illuvium arena at 7 am angle

[zenith mist]

@serene lance that’s a sick comp man

[serene lance]

Why thank you

[low halo]

https://tenor.com/view/spared-no-expense-jurassic-park-gif-24788506

[west quartz]

@low halo

Don’t know if I should report it as a bug or not 😅

[serene lance]

Its a weird one, because for defensive augments you want them to activate before they jump, and for offensive ones you want them after they jump

i think everything happens before they jump, but there are augments that are 'after 4 seconds' which are better if you want it after they jump i guess

[glad obsidian]

How many friendly illuvials on the board at a time? 8?

[serene lance]

Yep, 8 illuvials and 1 ranger.

[hearty sleet]

are you able to unbond your ranger?

[serene lance]

Sell the illuvial it is bonded with

[slow ore]

hey guys , just started the game and its kinda confusing . Do we have a wiki or something ?

[zenith bough]

You can try illuviualmaster or illuvihub or illuvidata

[worldly jolt]

There’s a tutorial video linked in the game

[worldly jolt]

There’s this article as well https://illuvium.io/news/illuvium-arena-beginners-guide

https://illuvium.io/news/illuvium-arena-ascendantguide

https://illuvium.io/news/illuvium-arena-team-builder-guide

[reef basalt]

What are we chopped liver? 😛

[zenith bough]

https://tenor.com/view/oops-yikes-awkward-jennifer-lawrence-gif-9504720997818108080

Edited 😉

[reef basalt]

hahaha 😘

[potent topaz]

can we see who is the top rank?

[zenith bough]

Not yet

Do we know which time Crokeyz go live on twitch?

[latent moss]

what's the max number of illuvials you can add to the board?

[serene lance]

8 and 1 ranger

[latent moss]

thans

[hoary mason]

alright this spam of t0 ilvs is breaking the game, i cant win against this invincible lizard line.

[stray gull]

The rogues or atippo?

[hoary mason]

atippo

[stray gull]

DMing you, sent a FR

[serene lance]

Okay whos alt is illuvian_989

Spamming attipo blazenite staff while still in promo games

CRINGE

[smoky python]

haha definitely an alt

[lament frigate]

Is @slow iron still around - what’s your take on pvp bro?

[brazen quarry]

Oh yeah, is Frobobo playing again?

[grand bluff]

Is there interset in ILV?