🎮〕illuvium-arena

[smoky python]

Dont think I didnt see this

[opaque cape]

i mean, who comes even close 😄 ?

you can be pb1

ill claim pb2

[smoky python]

PB2 aint over yet!

[opaque cape]

come at me bro

its ok, ill show you the recording later how to beat the wave 😄

[smoky python]

You should stream new patch since i cant play

[edgy bough]

I’m check it out later

[opaque cape]

why cant you play?

[smoky python]

Currently at parents house til next week

[opaque cape]

you dont even have a laptop that runs illuvium?

or they dont have a pc there?

[smoky python]

Nope and nope

my parents are old

They have an ipad

lol

[opaque cape]

you can play ilz 😄

[smoky python]

LOL

[brazen quarry]

Not possible on iPad atm 😅

[opaque cape]

for those who want to know how to beat wave 34 yesterday

notice how the fliish hp is even utilised by tanking the enemy dualeph beam twice, that combined with doing some steam damage to burst down the doka superfast + an awesome first beam from our side is what won

[worn frigate]

Presumably no one is interested in that.
A few hours later, a completely different game begins. hahaha🤣

[opaque cape]

this is the end of an era

the pb2 dynasty

[smoky python]

we are still in pb2 according to them

pb3 is pvp

[opaque cape]

pb2a then 😄

[opaque cape]

some things will change... sure, but the #1 will still be the same 😄

[worn frigate]

🤣

[proud flume]

Hey guys just downloaded the private beta 2 but after loging in it says "UPDATE YOUR GAME" and closes. How do i update it?

[proven ember]

this is arena 0.2.5

overworld 0.2.0 is also rolling out at the same time

[proud flume]

That means what?

[dark scaffold]

we have to wait for new client, the one you have downloaded is still the old one

[proud flume]

RIP haha so i have to wait for V 0.2.5?

[dark scaffold]

yes, we all waiting with you here xD

[proud flume]

Thank you for the help 😉

Do you know if i have to download the hole Version or does it update?

[proven ember]

https://illuvium.io/news/illuvium-arena-v0-2-5-patch-notes

[dark scaffold]

fresh download, you can delete old files

[proven ember]

Download now available

[safe stirrup]

omg geyser does zero damage?

[topaz lake]

He does not attack

[opaque cape]

is it just me or does the game launch feel way longer?

[rancid raptor]

hi everyone, can someone tell me if there is any advantage, on fire vs water and such, other than getting to hyper faster?

[edgy bough]

No just hyper I believe

[rancid raptor]

thanks

[lean aspen]

Yeah its a bit slower

[hasty lichen]

Now it is more complex and characters die slower. I think it's better than before

[opaque cape]

i meant when clicking on the game to open it, takes way longer for me now

[hasty lichen]

Nop

Same in my pc

[wicked forum]

The game is loading forever after log in. Is it normal?

[opaque cape]

thats an account bug

@brazen quarry did you get to wave 27 on your first run today? i barely managed to download the game and start it up and someone was already at wave 34, and you were like 2nd at 27 i think

[topaz lake]

The leaderboard progress was not restarted after the patch. I believe that the leaderboard you are seeing is from today (before the patch)

[opaque cape]

ah, that makes sense

cause i have a very hard time believing wave 31 is beatable today

i mean look at this monster

[topaz lake]

I believe you need extra illuvials for that 😂

[opaque cape]

yeah then i understand how those 2 guys were above it today

cause no way our deck has anything that can beat this

[noble radish]

---

Looks like we have found the issue for those that have infinite loading. We will keep you updated as we roll out a fix. Should be done at latest in the next 24 hours. Hopefully much sooner.

[golden portal]

One of the biggest land holders and registered for beta

Still no access

[dark scaffold]

@solemn mountain @civic grotto
#🎮〕illuvium-arena message 👀

[dark scaffold]

hey hey, just go to #1038034977864032276 , grab twitter-raider role, then you will get access to super secret forum #1075137668821823628 , fill the form, you should get access in 3-7 days

[brazen quarry]

You could also #🎫〕verify-asset 😉

[vernal forum]

whos OP in this deck?

[vernal forum]

Ok so i only played 1 round but is it just me or is this version even worse than the last one?

[brazen quarry]

And what is it exactly that makes you say this?

[vernal forum]

just feels bad

main thing i noticed was composites not contributing to basic synergies anymore

makes it feel almost impossible to use synergies meaningfully

[brazen quarry]

That tripple mystic feels pretty good today

[vernal forum]

less of a 'build your team' and more of a 'pick the best illuvials'

I mean what did you think?

do you feel like this version of arena was an improvement?

[brazen quarry]

Yes

[vernal forum]

like mechanically? or just the new illuvials were cool

[brazen quarry]

Too early to say if I like these mechanics more than before. Only first day, I gotta learn how they work first 😅

[lean aspen]

it felt way better to me

would be nice to hear some of the pros thoughts

[vernal forum]

hmm yeah hard to say, I havent played a ton of arena for a while. V1 was my favorite.

To me it felt simpler (less optionality) in that there wasnt overlap between what synergies you used, and on the other hand more complicated with dominant synergies where you have to read every singe tooltip to know what things are.

[uncut comet]

any good site for arena elements and stuff

[smoky python]

Arena is so bad now lol

[fluid lagoon]

I only played 2-3 rounds myself but i do agree that it doesn't really make sense the composite synergies not contributing to the basic ones..
For example it's not like the basic 'natural' water form of Atlas disappears when he evolves into Tsunami (so far i liked more the previous version also)

[smoky python]

Yah dumbing down the composites was bad but oh well.

[bronze canopy]

do the game good mister coincil person for gaming

https://tenor.com/view/madgeclap-gif-25840541

[smoky python]

im not sworn in yet

But I already tried to stop the new composite thing

[fluid lagoon]

Seems that it makes more sense to keep basic Illuvials on the table then bringing an evolved one .. i know it adds to the strategy but to what extent?

[smoky python]

Maybe with all my infinite power now I can help

[bronze canopy]

I'd like to see other decks performing on this patch, but looking at smart-ass performance today was definitely telling that something is off

it might be only a geyyser problem

but doesnt look like it

[lean aspen]

you dont think is an improvement either, shabim?

[smoky python]

I mean its just so tough to tell because Geyser is so broken

They didnt want to balance him so its a rip

[bronze canopy]

well like i said i'd like to see other decsk perform on this patch, but so far even watching that gameplay was not enjoyable

[worn frigate]

I'd like a screenshot if anyone clears Wave 23 yesterday.
There was nothing I could do about it. hahaha🤣
The best thing now is that I can close the app and start again from that spot, which is great!

[opaque cape]

i like the update

youre being forced now to choose between the composites or primaries

making the game harder, cant just throw in all composite units now and activate a bunch of primaries

since primaries are team wide buffs now, that would be way too OP

the tiktalik line is 100% super broken though

and the arcanite line feels SUPER weak

[opaque cape]

ok the arcanite is maybe not that weak, ill take it back

[lean aspen]

i got 38k healing with tiktaalik in one round lol

[neat walrus]

Terror Bird Line was so cool and I wanted to use it, but it was too weak🥲

[sand fable]

only me or sometime illuvials in the arena kind of stop attacking ? Like being it canceling the attack

i feel bad everytime i see Geyser getting hit :/

[opaque cape]

bad? that guy deserves everything he gets

[gentle bronze]

This has probably been asked 100 times but does Monkier's omega not work yet? I'm assuming it's supposed to work something like old Vermi omega or Vi E abilitity in league of legends).

[safe stirrup]

oh silly jimbo

he doesnt have an omega

[gentle bronze]

Is it just a passive ability that works like tiamat?

[safe stirrup]

perhaps mr jimbo

[topaz lake]

Yes, it has a passive attack. You can think of him as how Jax works in TFT

[gentle bronze]

Appreciate all of your responses ser ty 🫡

[lean aspen]

He probably needs a different omega bar color, like grey or something

[gentle bronze]

For sure I also think it would be cool to have some kind of subtle visual representation with it. Not sure if that is a thing already but I don't remember one.

[lean aspen]

You mean a representation of the attack?

There is one, but hard to see if lots of things are happening

[naive mantle]

im a little lost with how the new arena mechanics work. before, it always made sense to bond your ranger to gain the comp synergies as well as the base ones. now, you losethebase effects and only get the composite. does that mean itsonly worth bonding when you get a 2 of a composite synergy? cause if i have 3 air, then bond, i lose the bonus and have 1 tempest doing nothing

sorry my spacecbarisnt working properly

[edgy bough]

I haven’t played it yet, but pretty much yes ur right

It involves more strategy now

[opaque cape]

rework is nice

much more challenging

if the tiktalik line gets fixed + some other minor tweaks we should be fine

[rancid raptor]

why is fighter relevant?

oh its for the bonding?

[rancid raptor]

this is more confusing than it was before

at least for me

[noble radish]

There are other benefits of each Aspect (combination of dominant synergies).

We are still looking at more changes here. I just need to convince Ben on a couple things.

[vernal forum]

When did this change? Was there a patch notes?

Ahh yes there was a patch notes

I guess I should read that

[rancid raptor]

im all for change, change a lot xD
feels so weird that a granite unit is no longer good along with earth units for example

maybe make the granite unit count as 1 earth at least (which would be the dominant)

[noble radish]

It’s a matter of complexity. Just wait for pvp and then we will see. Survival is just pve. It’s never going to have the same depth.

[rancid raptor]

looking foward to pvp

i have no idea what to expect

[lean aspen]

Wen

[rancid raptor]

on terms of turns, and which cards we'll be able to use, how mastery points will work. etc

[lean aspen]

Check pinned for some info

[junior geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/two-weeks-happy-dance-gif-18982959

[lean aspen]

https://tenor.com/view/water-balloon-cry-boy-child-fear-gif-24749838

[brazen quarry]

I miss @queen robin

[junior geyser]

The good ole days

[opaque cape]

uhh, i somehow managed to delete my titanor from the deck

he's not on my board and also not in the deck

he's just GONE

[brazen quarry]

https://tenor.com/view/magic-gif-26166638

[opaque cape]

i kinda need him back guys

restarted checkpoint, he's back now

[proven ember]

Could you report with bug reporter!

[opaque cape]

done, the screenshot in it is wrong though, refer to this one above

[topaz lake]

Was Titanor augmented?

[opaque cape]

no, i was just trying to put him in

hadnt been on my board yet

[topaz lake]

Ok, let us know if it happens again, maybe there was a server hiccup 🥲

[dull wind]

can anyone tell me how illuvials get "hyper"?

[junior geyser]

Each attack adds to their hyper bar

[dark scaffold]

thats different thing

[junior geyser]

Oh

[dark scaffold]

if your illuvial has a affinity countering affinity of your opponent and its in range, he will build his hyper (also enemy illuvials may counter yours)

you can check it in real time by clicking one button in UI

[junior geyser]

Ahh yes, I was thinking omega ability

[dark scaffold]

pic in production, loading to the game xD

@dull wind

[dull wind]

thanks for the info m8

[worldly jolt]

https://tenor.com/view/zoolander-boss-cool-like-a-boss-mine-gif-21347450

[naive mantle]

I managed to start a wave without the ranger

[rustic cloud]

is the "disarm" debuff way to OP?

[coarse echo]

are you wondering how the different debuffs work? Because disarm is not the strongest debuff. Lmk if you have any questions about mechanics. Feedback on relative strength of things if the mechanical understanding is good is also helpful, thanks.

[gentle bronze]

I am honestly a huge fan of the new changes to how composite synergies works. Makes MUCH MUCH MUCH more sense with how the hyper system was reworked. Feels very intuitive . Maybe a bit of complexity lost but not sure yet? Regardless I think it's a great change so good job to the team! Should lead to more diverse teams in PVP as well.

[opaque cape]

there is a higher floor now with synergies, easier to get a couple good ones online, but feels like the ceiling has come down since composites dont benefit a bunch of primaries anymore

i also like the change, more flexibility, more options, less obvious what must be played on a certain day

[gentle bronze]

Really? You think the floor has gotten higher? Ceiling for sure has lowered but idk about floor being higher I definitely think floor is lower

[opaque cape]

i think its way easier now to throw in a bunch of 25-50 cost units, get 5 fighter active, or like 3 bullwark, 3 earth, 3 nature and get instant strong stats

this easily beats a lot of boards

once you add the 5th fighter even harder

look at the unspent gold

because of how cost efficient and strong those small units are

[safe stirrup]

jesus u really are the one to find all the good shit

[opaque cape]

top end deck is super expensive today so have to econ hard

[safe stirrup]

i tried funny 3 bloom 3 vanguard

but my economy that early on wasnt like that jesus

[opaque cape]

well they dont call me god of pb2 for nothing 😄

[safe stirrup]

and theres where u got ur name from adding that comment

the best smart aass

[smoky python]

Cant be the god of pb2 with those tourney performances

And isnt the ceiling just higher now cause of Geyser?

[opaque cape]

for now sure, but once fixed i dont think so

youre not getting 2 granite 9 earth nowadays like before

[smoky python]

Yah I could definitely see it being lower wth a fixed Geyser

And the nerfs elsewhere

[sand fable]

Need to find out how the new hyper system work. Because apparently it s not anymore putting a strength element Vs weakness

[stark swift]

#🎮〕illuvium-arena message

[sand fable]

yep saw that. how is it new system ? in pb1 it was already like this no ?

Still can't see the yellow bar anymore during my OW runs

[stark swift]

FWIW I haven't seen it in OW runs either.

[gentle bronze]

Is that not something balancing could change?

I haven’t had time to play much arena except for like one attempt so I guess I didn’t get a good enough grasp on it

[cursive echo]

revenant today

[smoky python]

Yes of coure balancing could change it

[gentle bronze]

More specifically is it something to worry about or is balancing it still going to lead to a less valuable experience than previously?

[smoky python]

Everyone has their own opinion. I personally think it should be balanced

[coarse echo]

it's mostly just tiktaalik right now. I have a lot of other small notes/changes to make, but nothing major. tik change alone should help most of the 'problems' atm

[naive mantle]

25K dmg with rhamphyre and still lost the wave lol

[dark scaffold]

3 days in a row... i wake up... i grab my coffe... and i'm so excited to try new deck
THANK YOU TEAM xD

[knotty token]

any faq about heroes, which for attack or def

[lilac grail]

I'm looking how sometimes, my team is added synergies during the fight.
It seem's that the illusion from grilla add 1 rogue + 1 earth during the fight. is that wanted ?
If it jump from 2 to 3 earth for exemple, does it active the bonus during the fight ?

mmmh it don't come from grilla. I try to find how to reproduct it. does someone already saw this bug ?

Oh okay. I don't know if it's only UI. but if you launch the match, then you click on arrow to see splitted class/synergy. It show different numbers.

[noble radish]

Sounds like a bug. And I think I know why. Lol.

[lilac grail]

It don't seem's to affect the stats during the fight. so no major

[noble radish]

Technically clones are 'pets' and pets are combat units. The UI is probably just looking at the combat units (like it should) but we need to adjust the values of the clone to not have a class and affinity.

[worldly jolt]

There are some third party websites with gameplay explainers that could be helpful.

Illuvidata, illuvihub, others too in #🎨〕community-content and maybe in #899655780033261639

[coarse echo]

Thanks for the report. Good catch.

[zenith mortar]

Should we bring back Kukkas cave battles, I'm significantly better than I was... @civic grotto Redemption day

[civic grotto]

I think I'll just wait for PvP, tyvm. 😅

[worldly jolt]

I noticed it was 5 and I could play. So I ran a fast run straight into geyser.

Not often on the board. So I take what I can get.

[coarse echo]

nice! I did a run too. Slow time though. Shame on me.

[worldly jolt]

Haha I had to stop and finish making dinner anyways so quick run is all I had time for.

[smoky python]

ah you know the rules. thats a DQ

maybe next time

[knotty token]

Guys any good strategy for arena you can share?

How to combinate and which beasts are bests

[tulip kernel]

hi , want to ask . everyone will have same deck ? it just a matter of your stratergy?

[brazen quarry]

In the current beta there is a random deck every day.
Once the game launches you'll have to capture your own Illuvials in the overworld to build your own deck

[tulip kernel]

ohhh i see . thank you fraggy .

[worldly token]

I always wondered why the mouse is just a little bit slower than my movement when for example being in arena or something. Do you know what I mean? The movement of my cursor isn't 1:1 immediately processed but it seems like it is a little slower.

[opaque cape]

there is always a bigger fish

[civic grotto]

Everytime @opaque cape sees my team comp he says

[opaque cape]

this was my comp today 😄

[coarse echo]

Oh well. My double kukk first try meme didn't hold... It was fun while it lasted.

[tight bluff]

is it possible to make the board bigger? I don't like how crowded it gets, gives me a bit of anxiety lmao

[coarse echo]

For now this is very standard autobattler board size/clutter. You're probably just not used to the game mode yet, it becomes easier to visually interpret as you get more comfortable with all of the units and mechanics. That said, I wouldn't call anything in the game a hard lock right now, things can always change. Board size is probably very unlikely to change though.

[tight bluff]

thanks for the response

[coarse echo]

I kinda want us to make a 2v2 mode with a board twice as big where both players on a team place on the same side for some insanely huge battles, but we should probably get the 1v1 mode out and tested before we actually think about that... 😁

[tight bluff]

that does sound fun

[noble radish]

On Mac?

[worldly token]

Nope, normal windows

[brazen quarry]

It's smooth A F now on Mac

[summer frigate]

That sounds fun and unique ! 🫨

[stray gull]

yes please 👐

[opaque cape]

2v2 would be insane

[opaque cape]

harbinger +80 omega doesnt seem to be working

oh or is it that they give that +80 when they die but gain nothing themselves during the round?

[proven ember]

Correct

[opaque cape]

seems very underwhelming

axodon is just a sacrificial lamb now, shield no longer scaling, not getting omega power

[proven ember]

Might be underperforming in survival, but might be great in a more constructed comp. Balance is now around PvP so there are some outliers in survival. @coarse echo is across balance so he'd be better to speak on it.

[opaque cape]

i think the issue is that the traits dont match...

-on the one hand you have a unit with 60 armor/mr that just wants to get augmented and get hp and be a tank and live as long as possible to use the resistances
-on the other hand you want the unit to die so that your main carry gets more damage output, so you want him to die asap, these two goals are the absolute opposite of eachother

it would make more sense if they gained the 80 ap themselves at start, so you can choose... do you either go for a nice tank with a big ap shield or do you make them die to buff something else

[proven ember]

Hmm it's a tough one, the call was made that this should have some on death behaviour that works with the identity of a Harbinger (the word itself)

Perhaps a mechanic where harbingers gain some omega power when they're hit and and on death the gained omega power is transferred. Would allow for the Harbinger identity and the gameplay to be relevant

[noble radish]

Wait until pvp before any comments about the synergies. Axodon as the last one last can do damage. If he tanks and then drops then he's done the job anyway.

[opaque cape]

how is he gonna do a lot of damage if he doesnt benefit from his own +80 ap, he might get it from harbinger ranger maybe, but its a waste of 80 ap transfer if axodon lives

still even gonna be hard to transfer the ranger ap to the axodon, since the axodon might not be the highest ap unit aka someone else gets it

[noble radish]

Wait until pvp before any comments about the synergies

[opaque cape]

i dont think that makes any sense... if something is suboptimal you can fix it before pvp comes... but ok, ill wait

if the input from one of your best players isnt appreciated 😄

[noble radish]

There's a lot of people that have ideas based on incomplete information. I'm just saying it's not worth the time. Has nothing to do with appreciating it or not, and certainly doesn't have anything to do with the skill of the player.

When you play PVP (which is where all this needs to be balanced around) then the feedback will be super helpful.

Keep in mind our balance pass hasn't even happened yet. There are still many pockets of underperforming and broken units. Most you don't know about because you haven't played the game they are balanced for.

[opaque cape]

then get me pvp access, ill help you out 😄

[lean aspen]

I can help too

[opaque cape]

i will literally spend my hours for free to help you test pvp, translating my pve expertise into helping you balance pvp

[lean aspen]

I will spend my hours playing against him so he can provide expertise

[junior geyser]

Living up to the name

[junior geyser]

Is that a collab disk leak 👀

[proven ember]

It is not, it's relevant for arena

[safe valve]

It is called the purple lantern, if your Ranger is within 10 hexes when his omega bar is full, he jumps to it, punches it to overcharge the Omega, to do an overwhelmingly powerfull Omega, whiping most of the illuvials with 1 hit if they don't have above average HP.

[opaque cape]

1 up

[zenith bough]

Does it contain legendary items?

To buy during pvp

[opaque cape]

its obviously a hyperbolic time chamber to practice pvp runs

you can practice 1000 runs during the timespan of 1 run there

[zenith bough]

Give me 1 then

[opaque cape]

ill take 5 please

[native sapphire]

Excuse me, how did you get all those illuvitars?

[zenith bough]

It’s survival mode.

Illuvitars are something different. See #🎮〕illuvium-beyond

[native sapphire]

Thanks

[coarse echo]

This is a valid callout. Imo, Harbinger is the synergy that I feel still needs the most work. No guarantees, but we may end up changing it entirely. For the time being, the idea was to have a mix of bulwarky/psiony type benefits, with the condition that something happens on death. In practice, getting tankier for yourself, but wanting to die to buff an ally feels a bit off. As others have mentioned, some things will feel wrong in survival (e.g. teamwide buffs are much stronger with 11 units on the board as opposed to 4-6, which might be more common in pvp). I don't really think current Harbinger feeling has much to do with survival though, so we'll definitely be looking to make improvements on that one.

Please keep posting feedback, and anyone else playing arena as well. Particularly for how synergies or specific unit balance is feeling, feel free to tag me, as I'll be the one mainly tweaking numbers/effects to try to get that aspect of the game in the best state possible. Just don't tell me that Tiktaalik is busted, I already have a buff nerf planned.

[zenith bough]

Wasn’t AI going to balance?

[safe stirrup]

Plz don’t nerf tiktaalik, his laugh brings me joy

[brazen quarry]

https://tenor.com/view/love-illuvium-ilv-trip-digital-drugs-gif-23271287

[coarse echo]

Eventually, the goal is to have AI fully balance for pvp, but for now, we have AI simulations that act as a data aid alongside player/testing feedback.

[zenith bough]

Interesting. Is the AI already playing unique/novel comps, ore mostly what was expected?

[coarse echo]

It plays tens of thousands of games. I don't know exactly what it's playing 🙂

[worldly jolt]

The question for me is… whether or not the AI is capable of outplaying most or all people

[opaque cape]

it just plays 8 geyssers and wins

[coarse echo]

https://tenor.com/view/think-about-it-use-your-brain-use-the-brain-think-brain-gif-7914082

[zenith bough]

Ah okay - what’s the output then?

[knotty token]

Hi guys im new in the game, very hard to get higher than 25-26 floor any recommendations please?

[opaque cape]

line em up

might try to go for 40 today

[smoky python]

Geyser deck?

[opaque cape]

there is a fludd yes

[zealous vortex]

does bonding an illuvial do anything other than getting a synergy for that type?

[dark scaffold]

no, affinity and a class only (and you will loose primaries)

[zealous vortex]

my Ebb was the only character left, and yet it managed to kill the enemy without the timer running out. How was this possible? does he have an in-built thorns?

[proven ember]

You likely hit Overload

[zealous vortex]

I think the fight ended at 47 seconds though, I thought overload kicked in past 60

I love the new AoE animations

I think the Ebb line is powerful even when you have him in a corner not getting hit

[opaque cape]

overload is at 45 seconds + however much delay the round had when starting

i had a round today that buffered for 10 seconds, overload only kicked in at 0:55 and went on to like 1:10

[opaque cape]

getting the synergy also gives you the buffs that are related to it, so lets say you bond and make your ranger a berserker - you start getting the buffs from berserker on the ranger

[ebon pagoda]

@smoky python have u fixed the game yet?

[smoky python]

im not even back home yet

[gentle bronze]

This is an incredibly useful comment for those of us who want to help but don't have access to behind the scenes info ❤️

Is it just me or does Phyri/Phyriox/Scoriox's Auto attack animations sometimes just not even show up? I think you guys nerfed the damage they do as well so I'm not sure if the damage is going through sometimes or not as well.

Apologies if this ahs been asked already

[coarse echo]

it's a vfx bug right now, shouldn't affect the actual damage output

[gentle bronze]

Okay that's what I figured just feel like phyri's damage was nerfed so much it's hard to tell (or maybe it wasn't and I'm just bad)

[coarse echo]

damage might be a touch weak right now, but keep in mind that it was completely overpowered in previous versions. now it's closer to a 'normal' unit

[gentle bronze]

Naw it was definitely the right choice to nerf it lol. All part of the process.

[weary niche]

Am I the only one who is a bit sad the synergies no longer interact with composites? Like it seems like if there's one templar or colossus or whatever composite, it's much less appealing to play it since I can't get bonuses vs. it still benefiting the simple synergies (e.g. bulwark etc.)

And vice versa, simple ones no longer benefit composites. Was it too complicated? Seems like it added nice depth

[smoky python]

You're not the only one who is upset by it

[gentle bronze]

I personally like the way it worked in PB1 but this new version will likely be more intuitive to new players, especially ones who have no prior auto battler experience. It's also important to note it's hard to tell what is a "good" or "bad" change before we get to experience PVP. There will be updates before it is completely finished.

[opaque cape]

pve is better now than ever before, except for the tiktalik line obviously

normal mode with yesterdays deck

there's way more thinking involved now at least, more options, more trade-offs in choices

but for the love of god, just make it so enemy waves can only have 1 saccarine

[smoky python]

Nothing is more fun then attacking multiple units with saccarines and doing nothing

And pve being better has more to do with it being new, having more illuvials on both sides, and bigger deck size

Changing what is "core" doesn't necessarily make something better, just different

[opaque cape]

thats the thing though, there is no hard-core like before

before titanor/snail/snake/adorius/malura was like always core of any team

[smoky python]

There is always a core

[opaque cape]

now your core completely varies, could be any 3 bullwark/nature combo or bw/earth or 3 air empaths

trust me, so far the only core is tiktalik line

tsunami is the new granite

[smoky python]

Yah exactly. The core doesn't have to be just illuvials but classes as well

[opaque cape]

you just need to play for a couple days and youll notice how different it is now

well yeah if there's only 5 classes

then surely one of them is gonna be core 😄

[smoky python]

I think it's one of the important reasons to have frequent patches in this genre

You need things to change to keep it fresh

[opaque cape]

agreed, but having a solid core-game should be the basis

[civic grotto]

Sustain camper build today 😄

[zealous vortex]

do classes have a rock paper scissors aspect to them just like affinities have? like rogue beats psion beats bulwark?

[smoky python]

33 seems impossible today

[opaque cape]

yes

psion beats fighters, fighters beats bullwarks, bullwarks beats rogues, rogues beat psions

and empaths beat everything that doesnt have burst damage

but only in large numbers 😄

also not that simple since if you just have psions vs fighthers, if the fighters kill the psions before they get to cast then they win... but if you have a frontline that the fighters need to get through first, then the psions will have time to gather mana and blow the fighters up

so use it as a rough guideline, not as law

[zealous vortex]

thank you

does any class do burst damage? or can it be any class except bulwark?

[opaque cape]

psions and some rogues mostly

like a rhamphyre or a volante

but if you want those to really hurt, you need to give them omega can crit through augments or synergies

[sullen dew]

@upbeat willow What did you decide on? Or will you make fuel convectors with an efficiency of 150% or 50%? Have you considered which is better?

[opaque cape]

wave 37 on training doesnt seem beatable

[bronze canopy]

maybe a screenshot of the wave would be more interactive to send, so people can brain storm this and that, rather than the "praise me, your god" screenshot

https://tenor.com/view/champoy-el-risitas-kek-issou-etu-gif-17837830

[opaque cape]

depends on the goals 😄

here you go

this is just a random one, tried 10 different positions, nothing came close

cornerboxing all our units bottom right was the best since enemy team only has psion lynx and adorius as ranged units, but still nowhere near beating

the berserker saccarine ryplance does too much damage, in combination with the mystic attack speed and infinite heals from adorius/geyyser

[lilac grail]

Aegis don't apply with my ranger with my actual weapon. And I can't make it apply. even in solding my 2 units, change weapon and co. seem's weird.

I disconnected and launched a new game. it reproduce easy.
Bond on blotto, place archos. and take fire rogue weapon. something is wrong.

[safe valve]

Just saw this in #1020759212172775464

It is started that stats have wide Ranges.
Soo it is actually possible i could end up with a super tanky ramphire?

[coarse echo]

A high defensive stat on Rhamphyre will indeed make it tankier than a low defensive stat Rhamphyre, but a high stat Titanor will still be even tankier.

[safe valve]

But a low-tank-stat titanor will be less tankier than a high-tank-stat ramphire?

[coarse echo]

who knows? depends how impactful the stats are. 2+2=4 > 3 ~= 2.996. It's all just numbers.

[coarse echo]

Thanks for the report. I checked carefully with the reproduction order you specified and I'm seeing similar results, but not 100 percent repeatable. With both aegis placed, ui shows the shield properly, with your order of bonding, then adding second aegis, then changing the ranger weapon to a dagger, it looks like the ui is sometimes not showing the shield correctly. But after battle start, it seems to apply properly. I'll note this and see if we can get some QA on it to make sure it's consistent.

[dark scaffold]

Dear IlluviGods!!! Please give us chupacabra in tommorows deck

Yours forever

dzierski

oh... and in case you almighty IlluviGods dont know chupacabra...

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/791148476218081321/1106656132782637087/ROTA.gif

this please 👆 but stage 3, thank you

[regal hound]

Sending my prayers to the algo for you 🙏

[naive mantle]

not bad for 2nd run lol

[dark scaffold]

IT WORKED!!

[smoky python]

Super easy day. Can JPP this as well to get like 4 minutes but I was chatting while playing

[dense bear]

I haven’t played arena yet, is it pvp or are the enemies computer generated?

[smoky python]

computer

PB3 will be PvP

[safe stirrup]

7 fighter strat quite fun haha

[vivid stone]

can anyone here come and join VC to help someone.

[lean aspen]

Sjud not even top 1 and can barely see smartass. Washed up players

[bronze canopy]

@smoky python @opaque cape he is not wrong

what happened

[opaque cape]

trying different stuff

but dont worry, soon

[opaque cape]

imo Gyro targetting after coming out of his ult is very weird

he doesnt attack the closest target but some random unit?

[smoky python]

Why does every opponent have Geyser and we don't 😦

[zealous vortex]

I love how I can just alt-F4 the game and it remembers where I was

[dreamy inlet]

Hi guys, where can I find the explanation of every type of stats ? Grit, resolve, precision and so on ?

[safe valve]

Rage quit Save environment... I Like that too

[paper shoal]

Without a beta code i can`t do anything yet with my Illuvitars?

[smoky python]

You dont use illuvitars in the game

You buy them and put them in your album

[paper shoal]

Oeps! 🙂

[smoky python]

nice time

[opaque cape]

playing ilz in the meantime 😄

[opaque cape]

@neat walrus close

[smoky python]

I got wrecked by 29 twice

And my 27 isn't 100%

so GG

[bronze canopy]

washed up

clan leader omegalul

[smoky python]

I refuse to pivot

I might give it another run later

Or just eat ice cream and watch tv

[bronze canopy]

you already know

[opaque cape]

what did you play?

the key today is to play ranger carry with the nature sword

went behemoth first run, gonna try berserker now

and after that a run with 3 frost

[brazen quarry]

And ofc I didn't use nature sword

[opaque cape]

that thing has 145 damage

[smoky python]

I played trashbird

[opaque cape]

yeah well there you go

then you dont deserve to go top 😄

[smoky python]

Yah, baited by Martini telling me its good

He insists it is

[opaque cape]

it could be if you have a team thats fully stationary

[smoky python]

But the ILV team says that every patch

[opaque cape]

and slow fights against a bunch of empaths

but against these 7 fighter/7 rogue waves no

i think the berserker scaling attack speed with that sword is gonna chop everything

[smoky python]

Yah I played sword early-midgame

then transitioned away from it

[opaque cape]

berserker/bloom

gonna beat 34 with it, i can smell it

[smoky python]

Serves me right for not abusing fighters enough

[opaque cape]

i think the 3 frost with bear/penguin carries will be sick as well

[smoky python]

I like the bear a lot

penguin meh

[opaque cape]

give penguin 2 damage augments and see what he does

he 1v1's anyone

[brazen quarry]

bear strong, need bull

[lean aspen]

And game subcoubcil KEKW

[smoky python]

Ok lets calm down everyone

Smartass barely even cashed last tourney

[opaque cape]

lol

everyone was at the same wave

and lottery decided who won

[smoky python]

player diff

cant believe i got baited into playing trashbird

[opaque cape]

fking martini

[smoky python]

Maybe I am washed up

Blotto is real good though

[opaque cape]

bUt i Am GaMe BaLAnCeR

ok im ditching the berserker ranger

behemoth stuns are way better

[brazen quarry]

How do you get behemoth

[opaque cape]

fighter + bw

😄

you can bond with the big dragon

for wildfire behemoth

im going water shield now + bond with air fighter bear for behemoth/frost

rip all rogue waves

[smoky python]

wrecked by 34

should have just tried going for kills to out tiebreaker you @opaque cape

[opaque cape]

cudda shudda wudda

[smoky python]

You think its beatable?

[opaque cape]

yes

doing a run now to try

frost into big dragon blind into small dragon blind into new frost

once you kill the 5 rogues its gg

27 is a shit wave though

[safe stirrup]

what does wounding do?

[neat walrus]

really?
i cant believe it
i used water pistol😅

[opaque cape]

there is no water pistol

water shield or earth pistol

[brazen quarry]

Well that just proves the game is getting balanced better right?
Different people getting to the same waves with different builds
I like it

[brazen quarry]

You are right, there is not 1. There are 2

[opaque cape]

lol im so blind

i guess invoker synalph could be a thing

i think my brain autofilters those pistols

invoker/tsunami seems nice but i dont think it has a chance to beat 34

i think for 34 you need wildfire templar 😄

[smoky python]

https://tenor.com/view/shoebill-bird-rain-beautiful-gif-18429868

[brazen quarry]

Yeah I went with tsunami but died on 27

But then again I have no idea what I'm doing

[vivid stirrup]

that bird is scary af

[brazen quarry]

I like him

[opaque cape]

lets see how this goes

@neat walrus is this what you played?

[neat walrus]

Not sure if it's the best configuration🧐

[smoky python]

damn 35 is tough

definitely attacked the wrong things

[opaque cape]

oh you beat 34?

[smoky python]

Yah was actually quite easy haha. Had I think 5 Illuvials left on the board

35 spanked me around though

[lean aspen]

Sjud is back

[smoky python]

https://tenor.com/view/adblocker-im-back-gif-25312353

[safe stirrup]

Omg I’m in an SJUD screenshot

Such an honor

[smoky python]

You're world famous now

[opaque cape]

ok i have a new plan

gonna beat you now 99% sure

[smoky python]

My 35 was awful so if you beat 34 you will beat me

[opaque cape]

holy shit my plan is insane

this might be a wave 40 plan

[bronze canopy]

wrong order, first you do it, then you flex it

https://tenor.com/view/kekw-kek-bttv-twitch-emote-gif-15123134

[opaque cape]

i can feel it

already seeing it in action

its broken af

[smoky python]

Don't worry I will coach him how to shitpost properly

[edgy bough]

Smartass is in the flow state

[smoky python]

Can confirm its a real good strat but it still died on 34

[bronze canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/rolling-sleeves-t.rajendar-tr-vada-en-machi-vazhaka-bajji-gif-14983702851415562552

[agile tartan]

hi, so the competition is still active? it is happening every week or how?

was off for couple of weeks

[bronze canopy]

which competition

[agile tartan]

Where i can read about it, or what we need to do to be in the list? play 7 days out of 7, and each day to try to be as high as posible?

[bronze canopy]

there isnt anything prize worthy if thats what you mean

its for fun competition atm

[agile tartan]

#📣〕announcements message

[brazen quarry]

That is Beyond, not Arena

[bronze canopy]

thats a different thing

[agile tartan]

oh sorry

[brazen quarry]

But not a bad idea

[zenith bough]

What is it?

[opaque cape]

its a secret

keeping this one

[zenith bough]

Boring

[bronze canopy]

if its a kukka tempest...

[chrome flax]

Hi guys, shouldnt I get toxic bonus when i use nature and water together?

[bronze canopy]

what do you get?

[chrome flax]

i dont get anything, toxic bonus doesnt appear on the left corner

[bronze canopy]

what does the ranger have as an affinity

[chrome flax]

nothing, ranger is not bound to any illuvial

[bronze canopy]

well there you go

[chrome flax]

should i bound him with illuviual to activate toxic bonus? i have already water and nature ulluvials on board

[bronze canopy]

Placing illuvials on the board does not combine their affinities. Only the ranger is unique in that sense due to the "bonding" mechanic.

Like you can use water weapon on ranger and bind it to a nature illuvial, and you will get toxic

[chrome flax]

oh get it now, thanks a lot. gonna try it now

works:)) thanks. and do you know how can I display, how many water and how many nature beings in toxic bonus? in previous patch i was able to see

now i dont have this indicator

[bronze canopy]

They have changed the affinities and classes

They do not work like they used to

[chrome flax]

i see, thanks a lot!

[ebon aspen]

@civic grotto I tried your build and got to wave 27 with first try, thanks again

[coarse echo]

https://tenor.com/view/deez-ha-got-heem-got-em-got-him-gif-4824899

[chilly phoenix]

damn , i keep falling stuck at wave 20/21 🥲
....with own build

[opaque cape]

well i got to 37

will give it another go, wave felt beatable

[ebon aspen]

so 3 nature, 3 Empaths , Ranger Fire weapon. 2 Wildfires (templar and Krunk), Bond Ranger To Templar and others are your choice

then buff with augments Templar

[opaque cape]

i have my run down now

im coming for ya

[opaque cape]

next run im beating that 33

[bronze canopy]

👀 ?

[opaque cape]

almost there

look how many units i have alive at 31

[bronze canopy]

this gameplay

https://tenor.com/view/champoy-el-risitas-kek-issou-etu-gif-17837830

[brazen quarry]

kek

[opaque cape]

still god of pb2

[opaque cape]

40 incoming today

gotta take a little break but ill be back

[zenith bough]

Well done

[hasty lichen]

Bro 🤷🏼‍♂️ stop it 😄

[turbid osprey]

I bet @bronze canopy is having ptsd looking at @opaque cape playing all day long like that

[vivid stirrup]

ânyone got a hint how to beat 26 today? it reks me pretty hard. im playing 5 air gyro carry with blotto and fludd

[vivid stirrup]

this helps alrdy i guess, thanks for that smartbehind!

[lilac grail]

poison slayer did great.

[steep knoll]

Ufff this leaderboard!! Crazy

[smoky python]

Ilv broke shabim

[opaque cape]

1 more run

to finish strong

[safe stirrup]

How come itsmartini is on the illuvium team when smart ass is number 1?

[opaque cape]

martini helped me on wave 38 a little

[smoky python]

Have you been playing 14 hours straight?

[opaque cape]

plus i dont want to do actual work 😄

[opaque cape]

pretty much lol

with around 2 hour break

[smoky python]

lololol

[opaque cape]

to cook/work out

i need to get a wave 40 comp day

[smoky python]

ILV needs to pay you for all that data

[opaque cape]

get it off the bucketlist

i know right

they should at least let me into pvp testing

"but this isnt pvp so you cant use this knowledge"

[smoky python]

LOL

yah thats not how games works

[opaque cape]

yesterday 37, today so far 39, about 90% sure im gonna get 40

i have to understand something about the game right, why not use my godlike knowledge 😄

[smoky python]

Remember when you took out Fludd?

[opaque cape]

once you get good enough you can sacrifice your queen

[safe stirrup]

As soon as PvP is out smartass will find some type of op meta comp that needs to be patched asap

It’s gonna be kuk he’s op

[smoky python]

He already figured it out

its pretty good

[bronze canopy]

I respect the grind

[gray plover]

I think he already got it haha

[smoky python]

Smartass waiting room

[jolly zealot]

How did you guys beat that Wave 19 today?

The 8 bulwark, 5 fire 4 earth (or whatever it was)

[smoky python]

played my own bulwarks and ebb

[opaque cape]

wave 40 defeat

aka beat it

[brazen quarry]

gg

[opaque cape]

rough enemy team

[cursive echo]

Your team?

[opaque cape]

same as before

2 behemoths, 3 bullwark, mystic, tsunami

[turbid osprey]

Great work @opaque cape you are killing it

[opaque cape]

first place again today 😉

but didnt one up

you need some practice before facing me in the 1v1 arena again i guess 😄

[turbid osprey]

Ive put less time overall than you did only yesterday since the patch

Im slow but im coming 😄

[opaque cape]

thats what she said

[turbid osprey]

Feels weird that Ophisto is invoker but his omega isnt affected by OP

[opaque cape]

might be risky if he gets 1000 omega power he just oneshots a unit and casts again instantly

chain reaction whole board dead one by one

[turbid osprey]

True, if his dmg becomes *OP the dmg would be nerfed though.

Might still be a problem though. Anyway just feels wrong to be invoker and not benefit from invoker

[opaque cape]

he should still scale invoker damage on every cast right

would be weird if he has flat damage no matter what you give him

[opaque cape]

why is armor capped at 335?

he should be getting more from templar

imo if its hard capped at 335 he should be getting double the MR from that point onwards from templar

[turbid osprey]

What do you mean?

I presume he still produce the invoker effect on his omega for the other(s) invokers its just that omega power does'nt affect him

[opaque cape]

i think it does, wouldnt make sense otherwise

after every invoker cast from any invoker he should be getting more OP

[turbid osprey]

He does get it but it doesnt affect him (see the initial ss i sent with the description of his omega)

[opaque cape]

probably just bad text

[turbid osprey]

You had a good answer though, seems like his omega could be too good with 400*OP

[opaque cape]

well he is supposed to be one of the top tier units

lets wait till someone clears it up for us, just guessing at this point

but i have a feeling that an invoker cant be NOT scaling with OP

[turbid osprey]

Just feels wrong yes thats why i brought it up

[coarse echo]

I agree. The unit hasn't been tested yet. It will likely end up scaling with OP, but have a smaller base value. No promises though.

[vivid stirrup]

can you say if the pvp patch will bring big changes to the balancing or will it stay pretty similar and just pvp added onto it?

[coarse echo]

"big changes" can't say. "changes" sure. things will be tweaked some amount.

[vivid stirrup]

i guess ebb line will be nerfed 😄

[coarse echo]

I hope so

[civic grotto]

I have a question- Rotta line (ranged rogue interesting and unique), but i feel like after his omega casts he enteres in a lot of trouble aka melle form enemies. Is that how is it supposed to work?

[coarse echo]

he rolls to the farthest enemy. whether that's troublesome or beneficial is dependent on the board state.

[smoky python]

Voice chat warriors in shambles

Smartass waiting room

[opaque cape]

2 behemoths + ranger sword yes please

[smoky python]

your perfect deck

[opaque cape]

no healers

not good enough i mean

[smoky python]

Don't insult the deer like that

[opaque cape]

but 3 behemoth 2 magma is gonna be sick

[onyx sundial]

Do you generally find stacking affinity or class more important for a stronger team?

[opaque cape]

they both do the same

either getting earth or bullwark just makes your team tankier

doesnt matter how you call it

[smoky python]

The important part is just recognizing which ones are good and which ones are bad. The type it is doesnt matter

[onyx sundial]

Sweet good to know, thanks!

[lilac grail]

@coarse echo is the Shock damage apply is the one from the text in game or from the patch note ?. really different and the low damage from the actual in game is really not enough. so I think the goal is to have the patch note value ?.

[opaque cape]

everyone stuck on 28 today?

pretty hard wave for reasonably early

two completely different comps from me and sjud

same result, 34 unbeatable today, not even close

[zenith mist]

28 is a tough one

[opaque cape]

this is all you need to know about wave 34

[zenith mist]

Looks demonic

Any tips for 28 @opaque cape?

[opaque cape]

kill that enemy snake somehow 😄

one more hint:

notice the omega power

[zenith mist]

Heh easier said than done

Lined up dualeph bottom right and smoked snake on my last run but the behemoths clean through my frontline pretty inevitably. Maybe turtle bottom right with double invoker + triple water

[opaque cape]

another little treat

bad quality cause recording of recording

but for some context

it's 7 seconds into the round and dualeph starts beaming

the rhamphy also gets beamed, thats why the beam seems to disappear in between

one beam - five kills 😄

line em up

[zenith mist]

Crazy multi kill

I imagine you’re putting dualeph close enough to a weak enemy to bump up the energy gain?

[opaque cape]

what energy gain?

he gets energy game passively from steam right

gain*

[zenith mist]

7 seconds just seems really fast

[opaque cape]

why would he need to be close to something?

[zenith mist]

As in taking damage

[opaque cape]

taking damage doesnt give you mana faster at the moment

[zenith mist]

Oh I see, I thought it did

[opaque cape]

like 1 mana per hit, so neglectible

i think there are plans to change it

but not right now

[zenith mist]

Gotcha, that’s good to know

[coarse echo]

Yeah, Shock and Squizz aren't working fully as intended just yet. Still WIP.

[safe stirrup]

wow im better than smartass

[bronze canopy]

fact and true

[opaque cape]

but did you have a dualeph with 600+ap :D?

[safe stirrup]

@opaque cape no im sorry sir

[junior geyser]

never apologize.. just say "leaderboard"

[lean aspen]

Pb2 god

[naive mantle]

why does mine always seem to keep shooting at nothing when it kills the enemy? yours is locking onto a bunch of enemies

[opaque cape]

cause there are targets in its firing path

[naive mantle]

so it has like a 10 deg line of sight for targeting enemies with it or something small like that?

[opaque cape]

yes dualeph beam is pretty fat

fliish beat way thinner

[naive mantle]

straight line fat?

it would be nice to be able to see that stuff. i like how they added it for sear line

[opaque cape]

@safe stirrup there is only one real god of pb2

[smoky python]

lol you played again for the tiebreak

thats dedication

[safe stirrup]

Doesn’t even show the illuvials he used like the secretive smartass he is

[smoky python]

Yah we gotta put a stop to that. People be copying builds

[noble radish]

One way to stop copying builds is to randomise the challenge every time you play. It's something we have thought of. I'm in favour, but I think the reason why you guys might not be is because you dont' see the big picture. Survival will not be considered a huge part of the competitive scene. It's not nothing, but it isn't meant to be the main focus.

For example on most chess websites they give you a puzzle rush where you get random puzzles that get harder over time, but your puzzles are different from someone elses. I see it being the same. Then you wouldn't have to worry about "builds" because every challenge would be different and you'd have to think on the fly rather than try 800 times a day.

[bronze canopy]

We do see the bigger picture, but we also see the current picture, which is the only thing we can operate on. So builds at the moment have a place since the challenge is the same the whole day for everybody. that being said, wen pvp

[brazen quarry]

Don’t randomise please, I’ll be playing all day

[safe stirrup]

most people would spend their time on 1v1 pvp and 2v2 anyways

[smoky python]

lol at thinking people don't see the bigger picture

Also builds would still be a thing even with randomized challenges. DUCY?

[safe valve]

Who's Ducy?

[bronze canopy]

do u c y

do (du) u (you) c (see) y (why)

[safe valve]

Is she Thai? Sounds Like Thai...

[worn frigate]

I've written about the idea of a survival mode before, but no one commented.🤣
#1101490899537625108 message

I don't think many people would want that randomise the challenge every time you play.
This would make it impossible to compete in the rankings.

I know a lot of people expect PVP, but I think the survival mode you've created is just as great a game!

And now I see that the mentions weren't on properly.🤣

[noble radish]

A randomised challenge would include random deck and random enemy waves. How would a “build” work?

[smoky python]

Think about it like any other card game or autochess game

[noble radish]

Hey maybe you are just smarter than everyone?

[smoky python]

Have you ever drafted MTG before?

[noble radish]

Based on how you converse in chat there’s every possibility that I played MTG before you were born.

I assume you are early 20s?

[smoky python]

Very possible. I started playing 25 years ago

[noble radish]

But in any case how would “builds” work in Survival if your deck is predetermined?

[smoky python]

I thought you said every run would be random not predetermined?

[opaque cape]

you would have to have a deck generator with equal value and enemy waves should be slowly becoming more and more difficult as well for aarons idea to work

right now its fully random which wave is harder and which is easier... sometimes you run into a wave 22 thats harder than a wave 33

so if you want to have a fair leaderboard the progression should be slow and most of all gradual, every next enemy wave should have increasing levels of difficulty

also imo you should be able to see the next 5 enemy waves at least from the future upcoming ones so you have time to prepare your team to transition

because now if you build a team thats very solid overall but needs to swap out like 5 units to beat a particular enemy wave you're not in time with the 1 wave heads up

[smoky python]

Took a break from D4 just to get smacked around by wave 33

[opaque cape]

beatable?

[smoky python]

not sure I died so fast

Aaron never answered if he had drafted MTG before 😦

[noble radish]

Yes.

Random, and predetermined. They are not mutually exclusive concepts.

[smoky python]

Sure

[noble radish]

You get a randomised deck that is not in your control. How does the concept of a “build” work into that?

[smoky python]

Have you not drafted before?

Just because things are randomly determined and you do not know exactly what you are getting does not mean that there are not very few set builds to go off of

[noble radish]

Yes I have. I’m still struggling to see the relevance to a mode where each time you play the system spits out your full deck.

By “build” do you mean “some common combos”

[smoky python]

We have the same thing now

You give us a deck and we play it

[noble radish]

You don’t have the same thing now. If you play a second time it is the same.

[smoky python]

Yes but we still get a random deck to play with

Instead of every run being different its just every day that is different now

[noble radish]

I’m talking about the next time you play it is different. So showing your placement order to the community doesn’t risk them “copying”

Remember back at the start when the conversation was about copying?

[smoky python]

Yes and they would still be able to copy my deck

You enter and exit until you get it

[onyx sundial]

I like this, especially if there is any kind of rewards involved for climbing survival leaderboards

[onyx sundial]

Won't there be hundreds of deck combinations + the waves you face will be different?

[smoky python]

no

Thats not how the game works

[noble radish]

The pro is that you can't be copied (more specifically one person can't fill all places on the leaderboard with different accounts). The negative is that someone might get an 'easier' challenge.

[smoky python]

Yah the negative for that in any sort of competitive environment is pretty huge

[noble radish]

Yikes. Someone else can explain the math to you. I guess I've wasted enough time.

[smoky python]

What math?

I don't think you quite understand Survival

[onyx sundial]

Seems to be fair trade off to stop a guild or large group just having one person post their screenshots for each wave for the day and having hundreds/thousands of players copy it.

[smoky python]

There are not that many builds

In PB1 I played pretty much the exact same build every day.
In PB2 I played 1 of 2 builds
In PB2.5 there are probably about 4-5 builds

Just like when you are drafting MTG

*at a high level of course. You can play pretty much anything if you dont care about winning

[worn frigate]

I think it's good that it impossible to copy, so that cheating wouldn't be possible.
However, if a good player plays all day long,they will have a very good chance of getting to the top.
If there are rewards. it is likely that people will play with multiple accounts.
In this sense, survival mode may not be suitable for esports, I think PVP is the main focus.
In my personal opinion, I prefer to play with the same deck, I'm not too happy if I win with a different deck.

[latent moss]

The guy’s hard work 🤦🏻‍♂️

[zenith mortar]

Please stay respectful

[smoky python]

Make sure that goes for both sides

[zenith mortar]

You’re the only one that can’t seem to understand the word respectful

Actually I take that back, there is like 3 of you

[smoky python]

I guess it's a matter of perspective

[zenith mortar]

Or lack of comprehension

[smoky python]

I dont think I was disrespectful at all

[zenith mortar]

You never do though yet my dms are filled with complaints about how disrespectful you are

It’s called having an inflated ego

Or something similar I think

I’m not an expert

[smoky python]

Well I guess people are allowed to feel however they like.

[zenith mortar]

💯

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[smoky python]

He's a scammer

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[smoky python]

Using a famous persons name

[opaque cape]

who are the other 2?

[smoky python]

https://tenor.com/view/champoy-el-risitas-kek-issou-etu-gif-17837830

[limber scroll]

Thanks. Can you report it in #🚨❗〕report-scammers with discord id next time?

[brisk dove]

can someone explain why in a T1 the reward is 1crypton only with 7 power plants!?

[opaque cape]

because its rounded up from 1,5

so you need 150% to get to 2

[brisk dove]

thank you.. a bit excessive perhaps...

[worn frigate]

randomise the challenge every time
Good
1.can not be copied
2.The ranking system makes it easier to see how good you are.
3.can be streamed on twitch
4.use of checkpoints will become more important (if the deck changes when checkpoints are used)
5.There is a possibility of avoiding Wave that cannot be cleared by using checkpoints
6.Can be used for one-day competitions.

Bad
1.A bit of luck in a day changes the result (in the long run it doesn't matter so much).
2.A fairly good chance of getting to the top if good players play all day.
3. it gets quite difficult, so beginners will give up and stop playing
4. it's not the same deck, so there's not much excitement when you clear Wave that no one else has cleared.

What are the other good and bad points?

[vivid stirrup]

i think a lot of people would enjoy a randomised challange to actually tune down the competitiveness and be casual arena solo experience. if you want competitive arena, thats what the pvp is made for.

[worn frigate]

I definitely think you are right.
If we actually get a ranking system, those could be fun, even if they are random!
It's better than the easy copying we have now.
I'm pretty sure PVP will be the main.

Is PVP pay-to-play and survival mode free-to-play?

[onyx sundial]

Both are technically free to play if you're just using tier 0 illuvials you caught

[vivid stirrup]

yeah might even be nice to not have a ranked system in survival to cater to casual gamers. for me personally i prefer ranked over everything 😜

as i understood it, all the games will have a f2p experience in some form and then you can pay if you want more.

in the overworld that is the Tier / Stage 0 runs, in arena there are some ideas going around about it, for example having a free rotating deck/illuvials that you can play with, similar to League's approach with free champion rotation

[worn frigate]

I really agree with you.
For me , I enjoy it more when there are rankings, but I was wondering if casual users prefer it to be that difficult？
We need to think about this as well.
It would be great if you could practise in training mode and then compete for rankings in the Competitive.

[vivid stirrup]

if you don't have a ranking you dont compare yourself to the best players. so then they compare themselves with their past runs and maybe friends and suddenly getting to wave 10 might be success for someone and not a fail. meaning difficulty then is more a sense of how fast and efficient people can improve themselves not so much how far can they get compared to the "pros" and how difficult it is to get close to them. but there is also popular ranking systems like with devisions (example: bronze 1-3, silver 1-3 , gold 1-3) where this gets a bit more abstract and they get more realistic and achievable goals presented to them

[noble radish]

If there are rewards then all top places are 1 person and n-1 bots.

[worn frigate]

I didn't understand what you meant because I use translation software.
Could you please explain in more detail?

[noble radish]

Whoever has the best score will create bots and use the same strategy 20 times to take all the rewards. If it is random this can’t happen.

[cursive echo]

Planned rewards for arena ?

[worldly jolt]

There were 1million ILV tokens set aside to serve as in-game rewards. I assume rewards would be mostly for PVP (Ranked Arena) after public launch.

[noble radish]

Of course.

[jolly zealot]

I hit rank 1 today, at least briefly! Today is a good day!

Team water for the win 😂

[lavish rapids]

never assume anything unless told other wise

[little plank]

i do not paly ,

[worldly jolt]

Ok I was told it’s for competitive play

And I will actively lobby for the DAO to assign rewards for competitive play.

[fallen flare]

is there any prize for getting rank 1 in survival mode?

[fallen flare]

i tried the empathy tribe seems strong what strategy did you employ? psion also seems strong i need to try them next

[jolly zealot]

Yesterday I had 5x water, 2x invokers, and 3x frost

The 5x water with the water empathy guy mana battery made the invokers use omega non stop, it was super fun lol

[fallen flare]

thanks for the tips seems fun to try

[jolly zealot]

Sure :). I can't wait to be able to create our own teams. Going to be so much fun to watch the meta evolve, and I can't wait to try whacky combos lol

[turbid osprey]

Empathy team FTW

[safe stirrup]

@opaque cape ur a cheeky one trynna beat me today

[brazen quarry]

Couldn't you crop it at 10

[opaque cape]

hehe

im coming

[safe stirrup]

I know that wave is beatable but plz stop play Diablo instead

[opaque cape]

ive upgraded my comp now

i play tft pbe over diablo

what comp did you play?

[safe stirrup]

Two different

Umbre carry and triple arcanite

Was fun

[opaque cape]

im in arcanite bloom

went with 3 fire 3 fighter first

now switching to mystic empaths instead

[safe stirrup]

Nice

Plz release 1v1s

[opaque cape]

well i lost on 33 again

[smoky python]

Can confirm Diablo 4 > ILV

[safe stirrup]

Yea it’s such a bait wave always so close to winning it

[mighty tulip]

First time trying the latest version of survival. Put in a decent performance considering I wasn't entirely sure what I was doing with the new illuvials 😅

I like this version, had a blast

[safe stirrup]

@smoky python ya little bastard gg, i still had like 5 augments i couldve used but i broke my economy

[smoky python]

its a beatable wave

mine was close

[safe stirrup]

did u have all augments?

[smoky python]

let me check

How many were there?

[safe stirrup]

forgot

[smoky python]

Think im missing 2

[safe stirrup]

yea its a hard one today

always consider it hard if people dont all make it to wave 31

[smoky python]

meh 29 just happens to have geyser adorious

I might give it another try but im pretty addicted to Diablo4

[safe stirrup]

keep on diabloing

[fallen flare]

where can i find the charts for what counters what

[smoky python]

You mean Hyper?

You can check out Illuvialmaster

but its not very important

[fallen flare]

i picked up my unit just as the round started and it dissapeared during the fight lol

[alpine bay]

how to pass the wave 14

[opaque cape]

king is back

watch the god of pb2 in action

sharing his secrets

[olive hedge]

That Slashin is fighting its heart out and getting no where 😂

[civic grotto]

You didnt even bond ranger, just not to lose primary class and aff. Thats big brain right there

[brazen quarry]

I really don't like this heal and shield and wait for timer meta we have now. But really well played smartass, I never get that far anymore 😄

[opaque cape]

it usually doesnt work

the psion waves are normally too strong

but today was an exception

[brazen quarry]

Aha good to know, thanks for sharing

[opaque cape]

but its funny that a bunch of stage 1 units like ador, nature attipo, fern, etc are the winning comp today 😄

beating the likes of titanor with granite, dualeph with invoker etc

[fallen flare]

@opaque cape do you do coaching by any chance?

[safe stirrup]

@fallen flare $99 per session he does

[fallen flare]

nature empath seems cracked today

[fallen flare]

i guess he is rank 1 in the world 😛

[opaque cape]

i dont do coaching no, but feel free to ask stuff

[safe stirrup]

hes lying its now $199 per session

[fallen flare]

i'm looking at the Jotun and it says Fighter Dominant but it's not a natural fighter that gives me +1 in the fighter tribe, what does Fighter Dominant mean?

[opaque cape]

it means if you bond your ranger to him it counts as bonding with a fighter

so if your ranger has a shield, ranger becomes bullwark+fighter=behemoth

if you give ranger a sword it becomes fighter+fighter=berserker etc

it also means that Jotun gets all the upgrades from the fighter primary

so if you have 3 fighters active he gets the full 25% attack speed bonus instead of the 10% like every other non-fighter unit

but if his dominant synergy was a bullwark it would still give him fighter as well

[fallen flare]

you're awesome great explanation ty!

[safe valve]

Didn't know that... Thats super valuable info lol.

[opaque cape]

hehe we'll teach eachother :p

you tell me ilz stuff, ill tell you arena

[safe valve]

I think that should be somehow integrated in the ui, remembering asking myself this but didn't see a hint it would do that

[fallen flare]

done brother!

[opaque cape]

it wasnt supposed to be like that

happened by mistake afaik

[safe valve]

I See... So it will get patched most likely?

[opaque cape]

nobody knows, but rumors have it they will keep one of the primaries from composites as the dominant one

and scale with that one but not with the other

so lets say behemoth jotun, if its a fighter it will scale with figthers, if its a bullwark it will get more tanky if you have primary bullwark active

[safe valve]

Would Make sense

[opaque cape]

but no longer both

[safe valve]

Gives also more variety

[opaque cape]

for example yesterday i played an umbre carry

with 3 fire, 3 fighter, 3 rogues

[fallen flare]

yeah that didn't make sense to me thanks for clarifying that too

[opaque cape]

gives umbre the full bonus from all 3 traits

[safe valve]

Yea, opens Way more combo options

[opaque cape]

this umbre was jacked

[fallen flare]

i made wave 24 and im not in highscores but people with wave 23 are, how does that work :S

[safe valve]

Also tried rogues, but didn't added figthers... Was baaad 😂

[opaque cape]

the scoring is weird sometimes

if you use checkpoints it seems to deduct "enemies defeated"

and although the team says that the metric of enemies defeated is meaningless, i would bet serious money on it that it does impact your standing

[olive hedge]

We're you playing in training mode?

[fallen flare]

no regular competitive

[olive hedge]

Weird

[lilac grail]

The day where you call yourself god, I beat you at first run.

[opaque cape]

with what comp?

[lilac grail]

Perhaps you saw my secret. I keep it

[opaque cape]

i could easily go back and beat 30 as ewll

[smoky python]

Lol healing

[smoky python]

Never should have transitioned from my original team on my other run

[opaque cape]

why arent you beating 30 though?

that wave didnt look hard at all

[smoky python]

Was decently close

Only tried it once

[smoky python]

Was just fooling around with Econ early so did this run from like 10+ with no checkpoints lol. Didn't expect to get so far.

[small jungle]

😦 2º

[fallen flare]

I tried a similar comp with heaps of empathy and nature for healing synergies but yours is something else 🤩

[opaque cape]

2 up

[shadow lion]

https://tenor.com/view/soldier-boy-aborddelimpala-the-boys-crazy-gif-26118516

[smoky python]

Smartass waiting room?

[brazen quarry]

I gotta wake up at 3am more often

[smoky python]

Haha yah most of the silly euros are still asleep

Not many Muricans playing

[brazen quarry]

Is it already slowing down in active players?

[smoky python]

No comment

[safe valve]

#wenpvp

[smoky python]

Q3

[safe valve]

🙄

Yea i know 😔

[brazen quarry]

I think Sam tweeted 4-5 months to go

[smoky python]

Maybe he knows something I don't but that would mean it is delayed from the road map schedule

[brazen quarry]

Ah my bad, it's 3-4 months

https://twitter.com/djsamwithers/status/1666634777624031232?s=20

djsamwithers (@djsamwithers)

🔥BREAKING NEWS PVP🔥
@illuviumio
'PVP is about 3-4 months away from being implemented into Illuvium'

What's your thoughts below? 👇

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Twitter · Jun 8, 2023, 2:34 AM

[smoky python]

Fraggy spreading fake news

[smoky python]

What a time to be alive

[brazen quarry]

I said I think, that's not fake news. That's what I remembered

I'm not a mod, I don't have to fact check anymore

[safe valve]

Everybody knows thats just a loophole for spreading fake News

[brazen quarry]

I did not know that but I thank you for providing me with this information

[safe stirrup]

smartass waiting room

[smoky python]

I didnt use my checkpoints on my run cause I was already in first 😦

You couldnt have done your run an hour earlier?

[safe stirrup]

i was asleep

i used 1 checkpoint because i was no braining just press play

i can sell you my services for $49 @smoky python

[smoky python]

lol