🎮〕illuvium-zero

[wary notch]

Thank you for your communication! This will allow me to keep on buying

Will sure love that pain

Great to have you here Johnny

[amber atlas]

one of the toughest things will be optimising

the relative positions of structures effect the efficiency of both structues (so moving one structure might make 5 things better and 2 things worse)

now this is part of the fun

but I can imagine by land number 150 it might be getting tedious

(I guess renting features are high on your desired list 😉 )

[lost drift]

just give a bunch of those lands to a guild and earn half of it

(or whatever the percentage is)

[wary notch]

Give away 50% or so just to save 5 minutes per land plot once established? Nah

[lost drift]

150*10min seems to take 25 hours a day, good luck

[wary notch]

I got a few people to work with me already, but they're only getting 10% of the income

[lost drift]

So whatever the percentage is

[whole spear]

Just rent it out for initial construction lol

Hire a contractor

ahah

[eager fox]

hey what prices did land sell for during the auction i missed it ?

[still vine]

There is also an in-depth article on Illuvialmaster . com in the article section that goes over blueprints in more detail.

[dry mango]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/19UGv4AX7rPups8VoxbpOatSqm2hhJ5XAPfGEFyJB-sU/edit?pli=1#gid=437416570

[wary notch]

And take it away when it's ready and you only need 5 minutes a day to manage 😂... I hope the system also protects the renters so that they don't get evicted once this happens, so they only did the hard work thinking they would get rewarded after they got the land ready just for the land to be taken away when they achieve this and only the land owner get all the benefits from their labor.

[harsh acorn]

It seems like the land will need to be staked with a minimum lease term not allowing the owner to evict the renter suddenly as to be fair to both sides.

I wonder when land is being rented out if the owner can also build and harvest resources if the renter is slacking off.

[rustic silo]

this was also my question. do you depend on how good is renter

[harsh acorn]

Yes it seems especially at first you will have to trust your renter to not slack off especially if you have no way of intervening if they do hardly anything.

[rustic silo]

well. on other hand. if he pay for rent, i guess he wants to play

[wary notch]

But will he? What If it's just a split of earnings

[harsh acorn]

If you rent land I don't believe you are paying a cost to do so. You are giving your time as a renter

[wary notch]

Kieran has talked of % 30-70 50-50

[wary notch]

If you have to pay upfront you might just be better off saving for a low tiered land you can own yourself

So no I don't think anyone will pay a dime to rent land

[rustic silo]

ill just give my friend it for a rent. we both get money, 1 land less to operate then

[harsh acorn]

It is an interesting dynamic as tier 4 land will be far more lucrative for a renter if we are talking giving a fixed percentage. The lower the tier the more percentage will need to be given to make it worth the renters time.

[rustic silo]

t1 would not be good for rent. t1's are mostly for blueprints, but in this case you give away 50% and blueprint chances. so you self get only 50% of 1 rss income? 😄

[tardy sail]

hey guys! I just added USDC purchases to the bot, we should see more activity now 🙂
https://twitter.com/Illuviumlands/status/1547808699606917120

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#illuvium

Twitter · Jul 15, 2022, 5:02 AM

[viscid bolt]

<@&795142782133207063> could you pin this... #🎮〕illuvium-zero message The whole post, not just this line 🙂

[empty path]

There's not a simple answer to that question, it takes a more time while building up a plot than vs maintaining a plot
there is also a lot of smaller optimisations to be gained by playing more frequently
also the very early game (first few sessions) is lots of clicking and interacting

here are some general guidlines:

• I would say once established (an excluding new features/upgrades) you can probably play each land for just a minute or two each day
  (this will NOT be optimal play, but should be somewhere around 95% of optimal)

• when getting established, if you have a really clear plan, you probably will need to spend 5-10 minutes or so per per plot

• for the first session or two of play you will need to go through tutorials which unlock a bunch of features and resources... this will be more like 30-minutes per land
  basically it should be fine in the end game, but will likely be a pain early on

[viscid bolt]

Awesome, thank you!

[subtle frost]

what are the current Land value Tier 2 - 2 ETH? and Tier 3 - 4.5 ETH?

[empty path]

You can check on the Illuvidex

[empty path]

T2 - 1.42
T3 - 4.28

[subtle frost]

This is low price compared to what Axie land Lunacia is still selling for.

[empty path]

Is there a game out already for that? I really have no idea what is happening with Axie tbh

[subtle frost]

of course not.. Illuvium zero is probably further ahead, though there is nothing out there still for both games.

[empty path]

And how long ago was that land sale? I know Illuvium Zero is also not launched but might be interesting to know how long those people have been waiting

[subtle frost]

I think axie land lunacia land was sold on Jan 22 2019. They sold 25% of their land plots 17,217 (25%) of plots available for sale.

[empty path]

Cool, thanks for that information

[subtle frost]

They sold their cheapest land for Savannah 0.05, Forest 0.16, Arctic 0.45, and Mystic 1 ETH

Now they are worth Savannah 1.3 ETH, Forest 2 ETH, Arctic 5 ETH, Mystic 13 ETH

[empty path]

Will be interesting to see price once game is launched 🤷‍♀️

[subtle frost]

Hard to compare but that is the number

[subtle frost]

I think in general they all went 10x

So Why not Illuvium land 10 x in 3 years

Tier 2 - 14.2 ETH
Tier 3 - 42.8 ETH

LOL.. Just a dreamer

[empty path]

lol that might be a bit high but you never know 😉

[worn scaffold]

Considering the fact that the lowest tier land (Tier 1) will have a potential revenue 12k USD per year - with an achievable amount of players, I think the lands will be much more expensive

Unless Ethereum hits a new ATH x 2, then I'll accept your prediction 😄

[gusty fractal]

how many player to achieve that ? :)

[worn scaffold]

Not sure about the amount of players. But something like 1.5 billion revenue. In comparison with Axie it should be achievable within 3 years imo

[gusty fractal]

OK tx... your projection is with 20k lands or 100k lands in 3 years ?

[silk comet]

Yep 5 eth for t1 seems about right 😎

[worn scaffold]

Good question, I believe that unless the demand for resources is going to skyrocket and the game needs the 'engine', no more land will be sold.

But with a revenue of 1.5 billion I assume that there will be an additional badge. Hard to tell imo.

Fun fact; I totally forgot about the trading reward program on IMX and sweeped the floor a couple of times on a T1, T2 and T3. In the end I received 1k + IMX so that's basically 2 free T1's xD

[waxen kiln]

Probably fuel will run pretty scarce first before it is decided to sell more land to compensate this, so early land owners will be rewarded for this also by being able to ask higher prices

[zealous plank]

The fuel is not completely ruled by the land owners. Game algorithm will control the fuel demand to price/supply.

Correct me if I'm wrong

[little moon]

Fuel will have a set range. It can vary +/- 25% from the target price but outside that range the DAO will add/remove supply to ensure the price to play doesnt go too far off target.

[zealous plank]

Fax

[versed warren]

is a T1 land with all 3 elements the best T1 to go with?

[frozen tapir]

yes

[versed warren]

Is there a reason why?

[coarse valve]

you won't convert any element for another one which you don't have

[timber sapphire]

You will need all to build and converting takes time

And a bit of resource loss

[coarse valve]

yes

[versed warren]

Alright sweet

What about the other thing what if i only have 1

Which is best

Solon?

[lost drift]

Exactly 😁

[coarse valve]

No one knows now. FYI : Hyperion - for shard related activities.
Solon - for crafting/forging related activities.
Crypton - for travel related activities.

[lapis gulch]

#🎮〕illuvium-zero message

[versed warren]

What do you guys think is best

[coarse valve]

I think as a player it would be nice to have Hyperion and Crypton at the beginning to enjoy the game. The best thing is to have all the fuels, and sell or buy according to the market.

[versed warren]

Ight I think I scored then

I got a hyperion with all three elements

But What area do you guys think is best and why. And least favourite?

[coarse valve]

sorry i confused fuel and element but it's the same concept

[versed warren]

Yeah I have all elements and hyperion fuel

[heady reef]

I'm missing silicon on one of my T1's. I'm okay to use market for those.

[coarse valve]

Crimson waste, cause I like Rhamphyre and Scoriox

[rotund reef]

Wasn't Scoriox going to be in Shardbluff? Don't recall where or when I heard that, but I remember it.

[lusty breach]

Shardbluff is the earth and fire land, really god for both Rhamphyre and Scoriox

[coarse valve]

#🎮〕illuvium-zero message

[rotund reef]

I know that, but there is talk of certain illuvials "living" in certain areas, which doesn't mean they're there all the time, but the chances of them being there more often that not are high. So catching a Scoriox in Shardbluff would have a higher probability than catching a Ramphyre in Shardbluff for example, even though they're both fire illuvials.

[coarse valve]

yes exactly, I bet on crismon waste to maximise the chance of finding them in BP

[rotund reef]

Totally

[eager elk]

Hi all
I know there is a lot of documents out there that talks about buildings and strategy is it possible for someone to share them with me ?

[floral locust]

You can check out the illuvium zero section of infoluvial and illuvialmaster, they showcase the buildings w/descriptions

[dreamy mist]

Any opportunitys to buy land now?? And what is the lowest price if someone knows that thaaanks

[empty path]

Land can be purchased on the Illuvidex, link can be found in #🔗〕helpful-links. You'll need your funds on L2 IMX

[eager elk]

Is that on the YouTube channel?

[umbral hull]

Nah those are websites

[rancid lion]

There's a reason Hyperion starts with HYPE 🥳

[broken roost]

did they give rewards already?

[vivid cipher]

Not yet. Someone thought it would be the 18th.

[gusty fractal]

ccaaattcchhiinngg illuvials is the Main goal ! sooooo hyperion..... ^^

[tardy sail]

Made the change and forgot to change one line of code, that's why the bot only tweeted USDC sales, fixed it now

[thin wolf]

Love the bot😃well done

[tardy sail]

Thanks! Glad you like it 😉

I'm thinking about developing a bot to alert when there's a large price change, like a sniper bot

Like if the listing price is 30% lower than the floor price, get an alert.

The % can be changed.

[left musk]

Is the high voulume in these 3 days because of gamestop?

[wary notch]

I regret not teaming up with you before buying all that land 😂

[severe oracle]

but in order to catch you need to travel 😉

[tardy sail]

We're only getting started 🙂

[gusty fractal]

one ticket for travel... several shard to catch illuvials... do the maths ;)

[severe oracle]

what if a ticket for travel costs more crypton because the shard also costs resources? ... and down the speculation rabbit hole we go 😄

[rotund reef]

I figure the game has to make their money too. So it would cost ILV or ETH or whatever, the game will take their cut, harvesters/stakers get theirs, etc.

[flat herald]

And most people will want skin 😉

I'm pretty sure all three fuel will have utilities. Maybe something one more than another depending on many factor but I don't think you can go all wrong choosing one fuel over another.

[thin wolf]

And i will sell them that skin😎

[deep brook]

Land floor has been hovering around .5 recently

[severe sparrow]

What about t2?

[deep brook]

Idk it’s on on the illuvidex

You can get there through the main site

[harsh acorn]

1.4 ETH floor t2

[glad junco]

Yes.. the current floor is about .5 but that’s getting pretty thin. I’ve been collecting myself around this range. When the the actual announcement for a date is made, things will fly quick. It’s better to spend your time now looking at plots you want and scooping those up rather than FOMOin after the announcement. DYOR but I have a feeling plots will fly sooner than later

[severe sparrow]

Thanks

[undone phoenix]

You forgot the most important obligatory part, so just gonna scoop in and add for you here: NFA

[flat herald]

Is a specific fuel will be needed to scan for blueprint or any of the three works?

[stiff talon]

As far as I understand, only elements would be used.

[flat herald]

I'm pretty sure I saw somewhere that in order to use your scan, you need fuel

[stiff talon]

Fuel will be sold to the DAO and then sold to the Overworld. I think you confusing the creation of armour from your blueprint that you find. Which you would need Solon to craft.

But I could be wrong. This is my understanding.

[glad junco]

I think you’re correct on that. I think fuels are needed for outside and elements are used within IZ. I hope one of the devs can confirm that. They’ve been jumpin in to say hi last couple days

[flat herald]

I'll try to find where I saw that but I could be wrong

[flat herald]

Ok my bad I watched a youtube video about land choice but the guy use the term fuel instead of element.

[harsh acorn]

Johnny has confirmed that some high level activities within ILV-0 will require fuel not elements.

[flat herald]

Ok so I'm not that crazy lol. That will make fuel even more important. So land owner will keep fuel for themselves too

[oak ruin]

Fuel is required for many things. All top tier buildings in ILVZ also require fuel, I think. That makes every decision count.

[cyan bone]

Quick shoutout to @zenith cradle to celebrate his work creating the region tracks for Illuvium Zero.

Can we get some reacts in the chat? and for your trouble - Shardbluff_Theme_01

[severe oracle]

well, I guess I need to go buy a plot in shardbluff now 💯

[floral locust]

Benjamin nocked it out of the park! SB is sounding really cool

[cyan bone]

The music is so fitting for the deeply unique look and feel of Shardbluff when compared to the other regions - probably one of the more unique zones

What's next week look like for Illuvium Zero Dev? Johnny is joining the final dev push through to Public Alpha. Bug fixing, Optimizations, Finessing asset implementation as well as some enhancements to the game engine. So pumped to get this into Land Owner hands.

[alpine bluff]

really looking forward to being able to play

[flat herald]

This music is awesome!!

[harsh acorn]

I don't mind bug testing i'll even sign a NDA

[harsh acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-squarepants-spongebob-head-phones-music-jam-gif-5326442

[tardy sail]

👀

[little moon]

Sounds great!!! You guys are doing amazing work can’t wait for the whole game

[severe sparrow]

👏

[oak ruin]

My 2x2 at sharbluff will be awesome. Can't wait to start building!

[crystal bear]

Loving it ❤️ - there's a 90s vibe there reminding me of the music of Amiga 500 crossed with Jean-Michel Jarre.

[small star]

https://tenor.com/view/ice-cream-dessert-soft-serve-ice-cream-smores-ice-cream-yummy-gif-17655045

[floral parrot]

When will ILV Zero be released?

[icy thicket]

In the future ;) lol
No date released yet, set your notifications for the announcement channel.

Personal opinion: I think the main focus is on ILLUVITAR launch and sale right now while they are finalizing ILVZ

[floral parrot]

Ok thanks.

[icy thicket]

Did they ever announce the winner of the ILV Land from the contest?

[dry mango]

Yes, the emails have already been sent to the winners

[icy thicket]

Cool thanks!! (Not one of them lol)

[deep brook]

Wtf this track is beautiful, good shit Ben!

[tardy sail]

👀

Just having some fun

[waxen kiln]

I reckon every landowner will get access to first private beta of ILV Zero right?

[lapis ledge]

Not sure about private beta, but alpha yes.

[cyan bone]

Absolutely mate

[flat steeple]

That’s some great news to wake up to! GM everyone

[empty path]

TLDR?

[glad junco]

Hey illuvidexers! I heard the fuel utility has changed and I’m not able to find anything solid on YT. Can someone breakdown it down?

Also just an FYI - I’m 2 more plots away from becoming part of a .1% owner club! 🥳

[flat steeple]

@glad junco #🎮〕illuvium-zero message

[glad junco]

Thanks homie! So looks like nothing actually changed from before.. that’s a relief 😅

[tardy sail]

You know it’s real when it goes from 1% to .1% lol

[paper flame]

Wouldn't it be cool if the tier 0 land plots could scan for BP. However you have to pay fuel for scanning. We need to figure out a way for tier 0's to generate some value for Illuvium. Maybe a gambling mechanic. More fuel better chance for finding bp.

[glad junco]

Hahahaha well I’m gonna try to work up to .5% don’t see myself ever getting to 1. But that would be a cool flex 💪🏽

[vivid cipher]

My guess is Any method that enables t0s to gain something on the blockchain (NFT or tokens) would take away something from true land owners. And that sounds like a rug. Would likely reduce the value of land rentals.

[paper flame]

I just thought the over all fuel paid in could benefit land owners. Just a thought.

[still vine]

A free to play option for Illuvium titles, like the T0 land, which is as good as the actual play and earn versions is part of what makes Illuvium so attractive, and will help to onboard gamers into the web3 space.

[analog fjord]

I was nodding in agreement till I read your post, haha!

Well said

[quasi kite]

Fo who

Fo sho *

[floral locust]

https://tenor.com/view/fo-sho-snoop-dogg-for-sure-gif-10890829

[shrewd nova]

We should be getting closer to iz beta, no? It's been about 6 weeks since sale. Any word?

[alpine bluff]

not yet, we all are just waiting for an announcement

[flat steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-pablo-lonely-alone-gif-12928789

[glad junco]

#🎮〕illuvium-zero message This is what we have form @cyan bone .. looks like they are working on the final touches starting next week.. Just reading between the lines here but "can't wait to get this into LO hands" is a pretty good indication that things are so close that they are itching to release. @amber atlas if you want to comment on what "final dev push through to Pub Alpha" is we'd be glad to listen

[shrewd nova]

Hope so

[amber atlas]

honestly I'm not in the weeds of IZ, I haven't spent time on it for 3-4 months, other than high-level reiview of Khaled designs,

but I've cleared out my schedule to focus the bulk of my time on IZ to help us get to (Alpha) releasable point

I think right now everything is functional including various new systems that Khaled has designed, the new art is in, and for the most part working well, but there are still a few things that prevent release:

1. Bugs - there's nothing major, but lots of little "niggles"
2. Performance - we need to do a deep dive on performance now that the new art is in
3. New UI - it has been designed but its a lot of new screens to implement
4. Overall feel/quality - we want this to feel as solid as any major AAA mobile tile, it takes a lot of tweaking to get this point... we might copromise a little for the Alpha, but only a little

---

if I could turn this in to a public timeline, well I probably wouldn't 😛 ... but right now I can't even do that as I need to get in to the details to assess where things are at

[still vine]

https://tenor.com/view/toy-story-toy-story2-cleaner-art-you-cant-rush-art-gif-20473104

Keep up the fab work! Can’t wait to play 🙂

[amber atlas]

I would add that if its dragging on too long we might consider some kind of private alpha, haven't spoken to anyone about this, so take with a massive grain of salt, but its an option

[rough stone]

This sounds like it will still be quite a while away.

[harsh acorn]

If it would help the team I'm down to help test and report bugs and im sure we have lots of peeps here as well that would sign an NDA as well to not show the unfinished game.

[still vine]

Count me in!

[mystic umbra]

Wouldn’t mind signing an nda

[harsh acorn]

I'm guessing that most folks here in the discord would be the most educated on land and would require less hand holding to playtest the private alpha as well.

[shell heart]

have a t2 and a t1 land debating on getting another but would really like to try out game before keep adding land

[teal mural]

By then the price of the land would have gone up. Get it while it’s good

[thin wolf]

Take your time,but alpha is alpha,it is for testing purposes.we can probabley break the game quicker(6700 adresses)than the internal team

If it goes private,blueprints should not be active imo

[whole spear]

Did you see a date in there?

I think you underestimate the work ethic of Johnny and the rest of the team

[mystic umbra]

You’re right, I now expect a more concrete timeline by tomorrow. Expectations are high 😝

[pale bough]

If the delivery quality is the same as the land sale, time and date doesn't matter because we are in a bear market.

The team is doing a really great job, shout out to them !

[rustic drum]

Hi! I would like to understand a little bit more the blueprints system, sooo i tell you what i understand and if i'm wrong correct me please 🙂

We must scan our land to find some illuvials, when we have find one, we can do a research on it to find a blueprint, then we earn or not the exclusive blueprint.

• Each blueprint will be unique and owned by only one player for all the game ??
  -When we scan our land and if we grab an illuvial he can be playable in the overworld too ?
  -It's possible for example to find an "Atlas" illuvial when we scan but when we research we find a blueprint for scoriox illuvial or it's focus on the initial illuvial ?
  -Once we have the blueprint: To craft the skin we must burn the illuvial associated with the blueprint each time we want to create a skin ??

Infinite thank's ❤️

[versed warren]

Don’t rush

[sharp elk]

It sounds like you’ve just been guessing at things. Blueprints are not unique as far as I know. You can’t get payable Illuvials from blueprints. They are blueprints for skins. Blueprints are specific, they don’t change into blueprints if of other skins. Yes blueprints require illuvials to be used, higher level blueprints require higher level Illuvials.

If you do some research I’m sure there is plenty of real information that you can find.

[rustic drum]

Probably yes but i dont know where find them aha

[sharp elk]

Check pinned comments for a start.

[rustic drum]

Everythings i tell in my questions are something i heard on youtube stream but i think they will add informations as we approach the launch of IZ 🙂

[rustic drum]

Yes i will thank's 🙂

[sharp elk]

Start by checking the pinned comments and then you will have a better idea of which streams talk rubbish.

[rustic drum]

I only refer to scoriox, volkin, tsg or andrew for now ^^ but i will dyor more thank's for the answers

[sharp elk]

Those are all good streams so I’m very surprised that you got your information from them, unless you are looking at very old videos where maybe they were guessing at what might happen in the future. Perhaps just watch recent videos.

[rustic drum]

I will 🙂

[oak ruin]

I have 5 lands, including an incredible 2x2 at shardbluff lab. Can't wait to start developing them (not to mention merge the 2x2 into one city).

It would be nice to know if there are any new buildings being put in the game...

We know about the research lab, the scanner, the extractors and convertors etc. But are there new ones coming before launch?

like a spaceship yard -- where we trade resources with lands we own in other parts of the world, maybe?

[vivid cipher]

I doubt much more is going in before alpha launch. This is likely a pretty full list. But maybe not all of them. And certainly the art has been updated since then. #🎮〕illuvium-zero message

[fair temple]

I dont think we need a spaceship yard if we have the zero point transducer (matter teleportation device). As mentioned in interviews you will be able to send resources to others across the map but it will have some (fuel) fee.

[oak ruin]

seeing ships flying around is way cooler that teleporting stuff hehe

[little moon]

Things teleporting is way less programming then ships flying though meaning launch can be sooner 😉

[radiant sky]

Not sure bout that.... I would rather have a teleporter at home than a privat jet.

[shell heart]

give me the teleporter

[nimble lichen]

Does anyone know if there a specific lands or locations that could produce dark holo shards or could they all through refinement process?

[stoic wigeon]

Wen launch?

[empty path]

No date announced yet

[undone phoenix]

Probably not until next year, according to my opinion.

[shrewd nova]

For IZ beta? I really hope not, that would be wrong

[rotund reef]

Hey, at least we'd see some really cheap ILV tokens!

[undone phoenix]

What do you mean wrong? And is beta the stage where every land owner is allowed and can earn blueprints? Then you might look to this year, instead. If it’s the earning fuel mechanic, I think next year is more accurate

[shrewd nova]

Wrong for the devs to push it out all this time after the sale when we were initially told 4 weeks. I mean beta for blue print. I don't expect the overworld till next year probably

[undone phoenix]

Yeah. A lot of people grew tired of the timelines being pushed back, so they stopped giving them now. Be sure to keep an eye on #📣〕announcements for release dates

[severe sparrow]

Makes sense - don’t get hopes up and wait to deliver the best game

[rotund reef]

If it's just the beta, how perfect does it need to be?

[mystic umbra]

At the end of the day I want them to deliver the best product period. Ideally, a Christmas release of the game I think would be massive from a marketing perspective but if that’s not feasible that’s just a bonus that we would have to miss out on. Regardless I have total faith in the team and the longer they delay the more weak hands we get to shake out

[severe sparrow]

True

[undone phoenix]

Shake weak hands out from a game? How does this work

Is this your master plan to claim number one on leaderboard 🙃

[empty path]

https://tenor.com/view/shake-time-to-shake-shaquille-o-neal-cat-wiggle-gif-15266964

[mystic umbra]

More in reference to delays causes fud in weak minded men which allows me to get discounts on all things Illuvium

[undone phoenix]

I’m in love with a GIF 🤣

[undone phoenix]

I see. Who doesn’t like a good ol’ discount!

[mystic umbra]

They want quality to be their standard across the board, no matter the release, which I think is a good thing?

[deep granite]

on June 6th they said it would be approx 8 weeks till IZ alpha. calm my frens

[mystic umbra]

I can understand frustration with wanting to use what you paid for sure, I get that, I feel it, but at the end of the day, if all they are doing is trying to make the product better, why complain. It’s not as if they are doing this to spite us

[undone phoenix]

https://tenor.com/view/madagascar-penguin-music-to-my-ears-gif-16357755

[mystic umbra]

Now if grant said ‘I’m gonna add a day to the release timeline for each person that asks wen’ that would be cruel

[rotund reef]

I would just turn everyone who says "wen"s name to poop brown on Discord forever.

Nobody needs those people irl, but if you can't get rid of them, may as well shame them.

[deep granite]

RevDis is active now, right? Is it just for ILV tokens or is are land owners already getting from RevDis?

[shrewd nova]

I'm just asking for land beta or at the very least land sale should've been delayed...or even open up rev dis....I think we deserve something lol

[mystic umbra]

You deserve what you paid for, your land and you have it

There was no definitive timeline ever given

Sorry to say that messages in discord aren’t truths etched in stone

[shrewd nova]

Land game, it's good to be supportive of the team but we paid thousands for this, they owe us stuff too! They should support us too. We bought their coin and game and we haven't see anything yet.

They said 4 weeks till right after the sale ended. Timelines are important.

[severe sparrow]

It will be with us soon enough

Happy to give them the space to get things right - as much as I want to play the game

[floral locust]

https://tenor.com/view/illuvium-illuviumio-ilv-yield-farming-gif-22225026

[shrewd nova]

The main game, for sure.

[mystic umbra]

I’m curious as to find out where all this complaining will get you. There’s people who have NFTs for much longer than us for games that have yet to launch. The team is very transparent with where they are and have said they don’t want to give dates anymore to create false hope, until they know for certain a definite launch date. that may be unfortunate to hear but it’s something you’re just going to have to accept at this point. You’re trying to rush the team which is going to do more damage than benefit in the long run if they for some reason listen to you

[deep granite]

imagine how the star atlas people ahaha
illuvium will be worth the patience

[mystic umbra]

I was referencing star atlas. And those people paid massive amounts

[rotund reef]

What's happening with Star Atlas?

[mystic umbra]

It’s been in development much longer and has had sales way too far in advance

[deep granite]

and they dont do rev dis with the profits 😛

[mystic umbra]

It’s called selling hope and Illuvium wants to distance themselves from that

[shrewd nova]

I'm curious to see the damage where consumers become subservient to whatever the team says. That's how we end up with star atlas, being critical is acceptable and honestly good to have.

[mystic umbra]

At least that’s how I’m understanding it now

[deep granite]

yes, but we can clearly see almost every day we're getting good updates on the progress

blinding following is more like safemoon

blindly*

[mystic umbra]

Yeah being critical is fine, but when the team has already responded to the criticisms and shows you where they are, you’re criticisms become nothing more than a hinderance

[rotund reef]

Can't help that it's on Solana too

[shrewd nova]

I mean so far I'm in the same boat as star atlas and while I support the project and I put my money where my mouth is I will be critical.

[mystic umbra]

All I was asking is what are you hoping to accomplish from this

[deep granite]

you must not have been following all the updates 😅 illuvium is making wild progress

[versed warren]

What are yall even talking about?

[shrewd nova]

Prevent a star atlas

[shrewd nova]

Idk honestly

[hearty cradle]

https://tenor.com/view/when-wen-naru-yummi-yummi-universe-gif-23030317

[harsh acorn]

SOONish

If you own land your potential gains are based on the successful launch of all aspects of the game. Rushing a product will hurt most definitely more than a few week/month delays. I'm super pumped for ILV-0 as I own some plots but I'm playing the long game.

[radiant sky]

No doubt the game has to be high quality for release, but i also ineerstamd people who would Love to get their Hands on now/soon... it's an Alpha/Beta Version, it doesn't need to be perfect. Even full game Releases of other Studios are full of bugs, unfinished content etc.
In my opinion, they should make full game Release really fucking awesome and should take their time. But ilz Alpha/Beta whatever it is called, doesn't need to neue perfect, why calling it beta then?

They can even Profit from an early Beta release... Finding bugs, not good mechanics etc.
But thats just a Personal opinion... I'm sure the warwicks know when it's good for a Release

[vague yarrow]

I get what you're saying and I mostly agree, but it's a fact that many many ppl make more or less final judgements from a beta even though a beta is not supposed to be finished so even though I'm itching to get my hands on the game (or even alpha or beta) I think it's a good thing in the long run to not give access to too many ppl too early.

[shrewd nova]

I'm with you. Also rev dis, they should start implementing that ASAP...it'll build trust with alot of members.

[elder badge]

why not just throw those who bought land and held till release a free PB as appreciation for patience and support?

[harsh acorn]

They are kicking the tires on that idea right now. A closed alpha. Maybe with an NDA

[elder badge]

awesome! woot!

[deep brook]

They’ll hopefully try but that’s what 12-15000 people? Might be a lot to handle off the bat but idk their capacity, just a factor

[radiant sky]

My Bad, i thought just landowners will have access to the beta, and there won't be many to judge Beta not as a Beta among these ppl

[radiant sky]

Actually not that many... Wasn't it arround 7k wallets which bougth all of the Land? If you think These wallets own more than 1 Land each, and some Land is in secondary Market, there will just bei roughly arround 1k-2k ppl playing

[deep brook]

Yep makes sense

[shell heart]

Got my 2 lands ready to play but can wait abit. Been waiting on star atlas for whats probably a year hope never to do that again

[versed warren]

We cant have bugs in a game around real money.. imagine an exploit or hack that can give you fuel and then you sell massive amounts or something.

[thin wolf]

a snapshot i did a month ago.

[shell heart]

Very true that one hurt gala games with town-star

[radiant sky]

Just talking about Beta, not the full Version of ilz

[radiant sky]

Interesting... Is it reliable data? Source?

[thin wolf]

I took them from Imutascan and pasted it into XL format,and just filtered by Adresses

from immutascan

[radiant sky]

I c... Good job. More 1 plot owners than i thought.
Do you know also know how many plots are listed in secondary market? Don't know imutascan, just heared of it once or twice

[thin wolf]

roughley 2600 is listed

[radiant sky]

Are you able to contact wallet owners via imutascan?

[thin wolf]

No not yet,best bet would to use Blockscan on Eth main net through Etherscan(havent used it)

on etherscan

[radiant sky]

OK tyvm

[flat herald]

Very interesting to see how the repartition is. Good work!

[strong pewter]

I’ve been wanting to learn about contacting wallet owners. Like, for ENS owners, too.

Is there a good way to do that? My only idea has been to mint an NFT with an image of my message and send it to them, lol.

…

Oh, I just kept reading. 🤦‍♂️

[flat herald]

Maybe there will also be a option to contact other land owner via the illuvium zero game itself

[amber atlas]

Open Beta in crypto (and a lot of areas these days) typically means live to the public generating value, its basically "this is the release, but we don't want to call it that as we have some other features we want to add ", I agree it is a bit silly, but we are a slave to the trend.

Given Open Beta is the main release, the first public release which we have labelled Alpha, is a lot more than a typical alpha. Taking this in to account, along with the amount of confusion and negative sentiment around the visual quality of first IZ demo video released some time ago, we are just not willing to push something out that isn't close to what the final product will be.

Basically: many might be sensible in their expectations of an alpha, but we aren't willing to risk the PR damage caused by those who aren't.

[amber atlas]

clever 🙂

[little moon]

This game is going to be open to pretty much anybody to play and the idea is to lure the people not in the market into the market with it, if they launch the alpha and it’s not ready at all then that negatively effects all of us. It would be much better for the “full beta” to come out and be a success then the few people who can’t be patient getting early access and it flopping.

On that note I wouldn’t complain about access to the auto battle beta being a land owner as a thank you 😉 @amber atlas

[radiant sky]

I totally get your point due to the possible negativ PR effect which could happen because a few but loud human beings... We have seen that in many totally different aspects in the modern society. That's why i am patiently waiting 🙂
I really thought Alpha is just for landowners to play. I didn't even consider it would be public. Idk why, just sounds not logical to me 😅

The aspect of nearly all features already added in the Alpha/Beta i don't get... Isn't it meant to Be Like work in Progress anyways? 🤔 Due to the fact that Games normally gets patches and addons to implement/change features, mechanics, content? Actually i thought in illuvium it will be Kind of similar.

[amber atlas]

as per the IIP the idea was to release something that didn't generate real value via ERC-20 Fuel, but that was otherwise feature complete, now of course the original IIP is also about a 'mini-game' and I don't think its at all accurate to consider IZ 'mini' any more

[whole spear]

A bit more than a mini game now hahah

[amber atlas]

of course we will release features and patches over time, and we've been feature complete in terms of core advertised features for a long time

but as per the pinned message this (the remaining) work is mostly about graphics and polish ("feel")

[radiant sky]

Tyvm for clarifying.
And i really apreciate staff to answer questions. Gives me a feeling of reliable first hand information and of course it let feel the community to be heard. Keep up the awesome work.

[harsh acorn]

I'm interested to see if there will be a dashboard in ILV-0 for Landowners to see their progress and fuels all combined from all plots.

[high sleet]

A game patch/add on and an unfinished game are very very very different things. Right now you are comparing no.mans sky to world of war craft. You can add a new world of war craft expansion later. But you can't release the game without half the starting cast and place holder abilities.

[high sleet]

Plz johnny whennnn. I need le gameeee. My mind is so bored rn

[radiant sky]

I didn't compare anything 🤔

[high sleet]

Your understanding of patch/add-on was very unusual. That's all. I'm just trying to be clear that the patch/add-on mindset has destroyed thousands of games in the past

Companies that have launched a complete game have far outpaced everything else for the past decade. You think of a failing game and 90% of cases are that it didn't have the content it advertised when launched regardless of timeframe

[radiant sky]

Can't happen to illuvium, at least not due to the reason you point out, since they are Way more transparent with Stuff they are working on than other companies.

[high sleet]

How so?

99% of people in this discord are crypto/investors. This is not the audience that will have first impression on any illuvium game on launch. If this group here is your market your game is already dead

[radiant sky]

Don't talk about the people here in discord. Most Info i read/hear first from 3. Parties, because i'm not daily anymore online in discord at the moment.

[shrewd nova]

Then why tell us 4 weeks and hold a land sale and everything?

And now they want us to buy illuvitars? And still no revdis

[high sleet]

They've been transparent about where things are at. The issue was illuvium zero wasn't to standard and they had to fix it. It happens

[hearty cradle]

Q4 alpha

[mystic umbra]

https://tenor.com/view/sadgecry-sadge-cry-gif-18423674

[hearty cradle]

when couple of weeks become couple of months

[gentle grove]

So wait iz not coming out til q4

[hearty cradle]

sounds like it

[gentle grove]

That's crazy

[hearty cradle]

sounds like they want a finished game

[gentle grove]

So why have the alpha at all than

[hearty cradle]

https://tenor.com/view/dancing-boy-cowboy-gotcha-finger-guns-gif-17948078

can we call it beta?

[amber atlas]

firstly no-one has said anything about dates, if it is going to be too late then we will probably have an IIP to do something about this (for example a closed alpha)

the rationale for the alpha was about getting something out quickly, so on that front it may be reasonable to just go straight to beta BUT another purpose of the alpha is to ensure balance is okay BEFORE we start generating real fuel

internal calculation, testing and simulation can only take us so far compared to data from real players

[gentle grove]

Yeah but alpha is suppose to do that and If ur waiting for a complete game to start alpha than it defeats the point of an alpha

[amber atlas]

call it v1.0 then if the term alpha is making you think this is something else, that is what was used in the IIP

[hearty cradle]

tbf u said couple of weeks in the polemos interview with arash

but im good with the decision, bear market is the best time to build, and having the best first impression is better with the current negative sentiment of P2E

with saying that, we appreciate delay updates tho

can we call it IZ beta? Because it is obv not "alpha" anymore in web2 standard

[fallen nymph]

Whatever you call it, it will be the first public release so it needs to be pretty solid.

[amber atlas]

there are two parts here, one is balance, the other is a very strong pushacross all of Illuvium to only release stuff of the highest level of polish

changing the name is likely to lead to more confusion, not to mention the main launch is called public beta across all games

but you can use the term v1.0 as per IIP if it helps

[gentle grove]

I understand u want a polish but there's a point to where it being polished and pushing people away due to the delays

[fallen nymph]

I think impatient people saying wen all the time cause more trouble than dev timelines.

[hearty cradle]

wdym pushed away? You have bought the nft

[fallen nymph]

Just relax already

[gentle grove]

Yes I did but I am talking about others that don't will start finding other games to play

[fallen nymph]

We all want to play, but it's like a kid in the backseat saying "are we there yet?"
It doesn't get you there any quicker.

[hearty cradle]

so realistically speaking Q4 alpha v1?

[amber atlas]

we've already discussed this approach internally and with the community, and although nothing is unamimous, the strong and agreed direction is that we favour quality over deadlines

[hearty cradle]

what other games? Theres nothing, thats the problem

[gentle grove]

Oh there's other web 3 games out there

[amber atlas]

if you don't like it you can vote with your wallet, but this will not change any time soon

[fallen nymph]

See ya

[hearty cradle]

yea im 100% on delay to get a better 1st impression

[amber atlas]

(ironically enough you can also literally vote with your wallet ... if you hold ILV 🙂 )

[hearty cradle]

such as?

[gentle grove]

Metaops evio big-time to name a few

[hearty cradle]

enjoy dude

cash grab

[gentle grove]

What makes them a cash grab over selling lands and other things

[mystic umbra]

Meta ops

[amber atlas]

guys this channel is not a place for discussing other games

[mystic umbra]

Heard they’re really on your guys tails🤣 @amber atlas

[gentle grove]

I was just answering the question he asked or I wouldn't have said other games

[amber atlas]

I know, I'm just trying to reign it in, personally I want there to be more good blockchain game, building trust in the space and getting more people playing crypto helps us more than hurts us BUT this is again not what this channel is about

haven't been doing any IZ stuff for a long time, so leak free unfortuantely... focus this week and beyond is IZ so let us see

[hearty cradle]

i can use some leaks to get by

[brave pilot]

I cannot seem to login it tells me it is ready for beta mode, but it will not verify my email that say''s it is already verified

[hearty cradle]

wrong game dude

#🎮〕illuvium-arena

[glad junco]

I now feel responsible for baiting you in to comment yesterday 😂

[hearty cradle]

nah we get that feeling, we just dnt want it to be confirmed

[amber atlas]

it is healthy to push for more information

[hearty cradle]

IZ fuel supply and the price of action in overworld is like chicken and egg
We dnt know IZ fuel supply, and we prob dnt what to charge people to travel and cure shards

my guesstimate, we need 1-2 quarters of IZ fuel supply data, to know the average production of fuel

and then we can finally put a price on fuel

i knew this is coming, when they decided to give IZ fuel, it overcomplicate things

2 quarters of fuel production data is desirable to get average and trend i guess

because we have that +-25% fuel price swing

[glad junco]

I know man I’m just being dicky. I honestly didn’t even expect you to reply. but that just reassures me to that we’re in good hands. Feel like devs have been dropping in quite a bit in the last week or so - good sign!

For people complaining, I get it. There’s a lot of waiting and at some point you just want the pain to be over. It’s frustrating yes but the game IS coming and we wouldn’t be having these intense debates and discussion if we weren’t close. Remember that, hold your conviction and before you know it you’ll be scanning for little pokemons bragging about it to your homies.. I know I will be

[hearty cradle]

i bet most of ILV OG follower understand and agree with the delay for a better game, we are just sad

we are still a long waaaay to go friends

game dev is one thing

figuring out the tokenomics is a monster

we just saw how volatile $ETH was two days ago

need to figure out how to stablize fuel price

$eth could jump more than 25%, people who only have $10 to play suddenly cant afford to play

[thin wolf]

https://tenor.com/view/high-five-damn-straight-brooklyn-nine-peralta-gif-11928904

[static kayak]

hello why is long time to release illuviume-zero about blueprinft

[empty path]

Game will be launched when it's ready

[static kayak]

illuvium zero just a mini game ?

[empty path]

The idea started for it to be a mini game but over the time, it became something much bigger.

You can scroll up a bit and see Johnny his posts, it might explain some stuff

[rough stone]

Has anyone been asking what the islands are between Taiga Boreal and Brightland Steppes? I'd love to know if there is an answer/guesses floating around.

[empty path]

I think that is the landing zone if I remember correctly

[gusty fractal]

sanctum mesa ? if your talking about that it's our futur Hub :) with our arenas.

[desert elbow]

be able to stick with deadlines also show quality of project!! devs will develop forever..u can alwais polish something thats neverending story.... if you struggle with deadlines that shows lack of quality somewhere in project (planing,marketing,,,).. so its not only about devs...

[hearty cradle]

IZ alpha wont be out for awhile

based on june's dev blog

[cyan dew]

PB2 (Arena) → Illuvitars → PB2 (Overworld) → Illuvium: Zero Alpha → Game Loader (needs a name, I want “Singularity”.

[cyan dew]

That's just sad

[empty path]

Most people agree they should launch it when it's done and ready to go. I don't think that is sad tbh

[celest narwhal]

From today medium

[mystic umbra]

Or all those releases are just so close we just can’t taste them yet 🤣

[ocean haven]

full game 2024 i called it first

[hearty cradle]

duuuh

[mystic umbra]

Any other readings zoltar

[ocean haven]

yes it will be 23°C today

[elder badge]

I don’t know how long you have been in this space but these delays are not just on Illuvium but all if not most projects in blockchain, would this be a bull market you wouldn’t have any qualms to be brutally honest.

[chrome goblet]

PB2 (Arena) → Illuvitars → PB2 (Overworld) → Illuvium: Zero Alpha → Game Loader
zero land next year

[empty path]

https://tenor.com/view/math-calculate-confusing-figure-out-gif-6237717

[severe sparrow]

That order did surprise me somewhat - but I’m cool with it as looking forward to overworld

[desert elbow]

dont act u know me cause u dont.iam here long enough. its not delay like delay....delay more than 50 percent of time its just fail some way or another

if u promis game in 1 month and reality is 2-3 months u have 100-200 percent delay

whats crazy

and u cant complayn about market because they say many times they have enough money whatsoever

[severe sparrow]

Would you rather they release an unfinished version? Even for Alpha

[desert elbow]

alfa supose to be unfinished verion..

[severe sparrow]

Supposed to be minimum viable - so if they haven’t got to that point then it’s not ready for Alpha

Happy to take the team’s view on that

[desert elbow]

but whoo make that estimate during landsale that 1 month...

[severe sparrow]

They made an error - it happens

[thin wolf]

Issue for me is that there are Devs who gives a timeline 4-8weeks, and you kinda expect it will come within that time line.if they had said end of year, that would also be fine.

I had hoped we where past giving timelines that are unrealistic and do more harm than good.

Game will be awesome when it comes.

[desert elbow]

1 month can have delay week maybe two

[severe sparrow]

They’ve learnt from their error - don’t set timelines any more

So time to move on and let them build and ship when they’re ready

[desert elbow]

i bought land literaly to play during summer

lik rly whoo made this estimates

[severe sparrow]

We’ll not ideal but time to come to terms with the fact that it’s gonna a bit longer I guess

[desert elbow]

a bit?

[desert elbow]

looks it will take few months

[empty path]

Where did you get that

[desert elbow]

here

[empty path]

Where does it say it's gonna take a few months?

[desert elbow]

so you saying this all will be in 30 days ? seriously cmoon

[empty path]

No I'm not, I'm saying you don't know how long it will take. It will be launched when it's ready

Don't forget Aaron his reply on this:
#💬〕general message

[desert elbow]

i know this cant be in 1 month for sure ,,so if not 1 month,its few months..

[empty path]

If you say so

[timber sapphire]

Haha he beat me to it. He has a point tho its just a conclusion you get out of the devblog

But i hope everything will be... Soon

[desert elbow]

soon ill got crazy from word soon

😄

[empty path]

https://tenor.com/view/illuvium-illuviumio-ilv-yield-farming-gif-22225026

[worn scaffold]

Even big companies like the makers of the new GTA have major delays. You call them a fail team as well?

Dude get back to the reality (especially in Web3 world). There’s almost no project out here who finished stuff before the given deadlines - at least not everything.

Would you rather invest in a game what is not ready or do you rather invest in a game with high quality standards and the given fact that it will sustain?

Couldnt be a hard answer I guess

I think the answer to this is very simple to explain;

When they made this statement, they and the community soon found out that ILZ no longer belongs to a mini game but that they want to expand it further into a full-fledged game. I would love to hear if this is not the case.

What I am curious about is why ILZ was shuffled to the back of the pick order. Can anyone give me a good answer to this?

[timber sapphire]

It is said in the devblog they had shifted the people to multiple projects, so i guess they have pulled some people of zero

[worn scaffold]

Yes I've read that. But my question is - why? 🙂

A logical explanation to me could be that the period between the alpha and launch of the overworld is going to be too long. But if that's the case, I'd love to hear it.

[timber sapphire]

Yeah idk maybe its better for the team to answer that

[hearty cradle]

https://tenor.com/view/first-time-meme-movie-james-cameron-western-gif-17538858

[dusty agate]

😂😂 I am interested but can make myself to read it

[hearty cradle]

im moving my expectation of OB to Q3 23

there are too many tests to be done to have it in Q1 23

Q3 23 is actually 2 years delay

yea we gonna need to raise fund

unless the team want to sell some more jpegs like wilder world

[radiant sky]

OB means Overworld Beta?

[empty path]

Open Beta

[radiant sky]

What's the difference?

[desert elbow]

Ofc is fail of person who make estimate

[desert elbow]

... almost no project and i need to go back to reality ... Lol

[radiant sky]

It's pretty simple.
If you get a timeline of a normal rational Person, Double it and you get pretty close.
If you get a timeline of an absolutely hyped Person square it and you get pretty close.

just some life experience i made

[hearty cradle]

it's called price management

what if they tell you on day 1 that the game will be done in 3 years?

[ocean haven]

no wonder if people feel like they got played at thisi point tbh

[desert elbow]

Lol

[hearty cradle]

played? you are investing in a game dev startup, that has 0 experience in developing game, plus its AAA with complex tokenomics ?

ser you played yourself

[ocean haven]

in what sense?

[hearty cradle]

expecting the game to be released as promised, within the budget

[ocean haven]

are you talking about full game iz ?

[hearty cradle]

full game and iz

[radiant sky]

Acobviously i don't know the whole Team, but saying 0 experience doesn't Sound right to my ears from the few i know what they habe done so fsr

[hearty cradle]

they havent got a released product yet

its 0

[ocean haven]

lol

[hearty cradle]

illuvium lab has not released a single product
what you have been playing is a demo

[ocean haven]

your funny

[hearty cradle]

ok

[desert elbow]

Ill wait 3 years .. but uf they told you 1 month u wait 1 monthand delay will be another few months somethings not right

[brave raven]

anyone wanna trade 3 t1s for a t2?

[radiant sky]

😂 just because it's a new company doesn't mean the Team has 0 experience. Obviously you got very emotional due to the Dev blog, i recommend a strawberry milkshake and half an hour of chilled music 🙂

[ocean haven]

Its dos they hired only people who knew nothing 🙂

[hearty cradle]

just search my chat history, been saying this since my day 1 in the server dude

ok lets refute my statement, how many games has illuvium lab released?

[radiant sky]

Doesn't Make your statement more true

[hearty cradle]

ok tell me how many games has illuvium lab released?

simple question

[radiant sky]

0

[ocean haven]

like i said your funny

[hearty cradle]

exactly

[radiant sky]

So?

[hearty cradle]

??

[desert elbow]

U start talking about experiences and now about something else...ficus lil

[hearty cradle]

experience = has released a game

[radiant sky]

Absolutely not true

[hearty cradle]

is that how you fill your resume? oh ser but i almost got a job , thats experience

[desert elbow]

Maybe in your dimension

[dusty agate]

Thats mathematically proven theory

[slim harbor]

For a startup with no experience the pb1 is the most polished beta I've ever played

[radiant sky]

Your statement would be true if it's the first job they get in their life... The whole Team.... They don't Look that young to me

[desert elbow]

With your logic Ronaldo will have no experience when he move to new club ..lol

[dusty agate]

Ia m more worried that i cant sell my land, and team managed to sell 12k some even for higher price, for me that means they have experience

[ocean haven]

everyone know when you get a new job, you lose all experience, coomen sense

[dusty agate]

Yeh if he moves to china he wont have experience in playing Chinese league

[hearty cradle]

with your logic i have experience in building a spaceship because i followed elon musk twitter and bought some alumiunium

[ocean haven]

LMAO

[hearty cradle]

brb gonna update my resume

[ocean haven]

holy the braincells is leaving the room

think ill go talk to myy door

have a nice day

[dusty agate]

No make new but just write crypto projects u followed😂

[hearty cradle]

150, u?

[radiant sky]

Don't forget your milkshake it really helps 😉

[slim harbor]

Who tf has 150 employers in their history, how long is your resume lmao

[hearty cradle]

freelance?

[slim harbor]

Ah good point, but in all seriousness how do you even fit that or do you cherry pick

[hearty cradle]

yea i do remote IT support

build servers and troubleshoot

usually 3 months contract

[slim harbor]

No I mean literally, how do you fit that on a resume haha

[empty path]

@desert elbow Please stop using clown emoji's

[hearty cradle]

list of clients

they are pretty much the same sht

[desert elbow]

With your logig u supose to have there only 1 where u work rn... All the rest is 0 exp u saud...lol

[slim harbor]

Fair enough, but still from the pb1 I'm pretty impressed with the auto chess part of the game so far

[hearty cradle]

web3 standard yes, web2 standard its demo quality

remember we are aiming to beat web2

thats why im good with the delays

more delays = better game

[dusty agate]

Where to learn web 3 dev?

[desert elbow]

Some vedge will be better? 😉

[hearty cradle]

we only have one chance to make the best 1st impression

[hearty cradle]

wdym?

[dusty agate]

Want to learn web 3 development

[hearty cradle]

i get that people are angry about the delays, some might over leveraged

[slim harbor]

The complexity of the combat matches any other I've played even more so really with the massive hex grid and additional affinities

[empty path]

Don't even know what that means

[hearty cradle]

but we want a jaw dropping game

axie really tainted P2E games

we want a game that makes asmongold or bellular willing to try just for the sake that it looks good, and fun to play

mainstream gamer hates crypto gaming, even ubisoft got a backlash for its plan to do nft

thats how negative the sentiment is

more delay is always better

[gusty fractal]

as usual the gamer yells, but finally he bends

https://tenor.com/view/take-my-money-gif-20103453

[little moon]

imho, they should release iz-0 first before another sale like illuvitar; it’ll end up looking like a cash grab if two consecutive sales happened without new gameplay in between

[hearty cradle]

yea

[jagged brook]

Take it all 😆😆😆

[radiant sky]

It would also Make the Sale Way bigger, if there is an ass kicking ILZ before illuvitar sale

[desert elbow]

I understand why ppl feel angry and tricked..it rly feels that 1month estimate was just way to bring more hype for landsale ..its not about just delay itself...

[empty path]

That was a bad estimate by somebody didn't have all the information. Some bad communication I guess. Then Grant also decided do revamp the art. This has nothing to do with hype for landsale

[hearty cradle]

i feel the same
johnny said in the interview that the alpha will be out in a couple of weeks after the land sale

[hearty cradle]

tbf it was

[little moon]

correct, and as much as I approve of quality for first impression; perfectionism and over engineering can easily kill a great product

[hearty cradle]

i aped in too many plots because i thought i could play within 4 weeks

[near berry]

Delays suck, especially when users already paid a lot of money, but sometimes it´s still necessary. Maybe the team/council can stick their heads together and can find something to make the IZ plot holders more happy again while waiting for a couple of months longer? Like raise the 5% or airdrop the next land plots to current plot holders? Just hoping the community will accept it, without reward them for waiting longer and while their liquidity is locked would be probably not the best idea. Especially when I read "how important the first impressions are" so often.

[hearty cradle]

so yea, saying "in couple of weeks" before the land sale, could be seen as "misleading"

[gusty fractal]

i Aped on the ilv on novembre cause i thought i could play n décembre :)

[slim harbor]

Is the negative sentiment from gamers or from twitch I wonder, you mention nft's on twitch or in twitch related subreddits and you get murdered, gonna take something major to break that

[hearty cradle]

we need to get rid of the terms "P2E" "crypto gaming"

just call it a game

[desert elbow]

In this case bigest weapon is time

No choice overtime

[hearty cradle]

CS:GO and diablo 3 been doing P2P marketplace for awhile

[radiant sky]

You have such a life experience, and take something a hyped Person said in an Interview by the Way for a serious timeline?
Like cmon, really? 🙃

[hearty cradle]

do you even know the reason it gets delayed?

do you know how long IZ in development?

[radiant sky]

What has that question to do with mine?

[hearty cradle]

lol

[slim harbor]

All projects have hypemen, some accidental, others not but can you blame them? You have to keep people interested enough to fund the damn thing and keep the community growing, it can't be a nice situation for anyone

[hearty cradle]

johnny was not a hypeman

[slim harbor]

Especially if a delay pops up

[hearty cradle]

hes techincal

[slim harbor]

Okay but was hype taken from it because it's a date

Still accidental hype

[little moon]

What they planned:
Land Sale → PB2 (Arena) → Illuvitars → PB2 (Overworld) → Illuvium: Zero Alpha → Game Loader

What should happen:
Land Sale → PB2 (Arena) → Illuvium: Zero Alpha → Illuvitars → PB2 (Overworld) → Game Loader

It’s basically a [Sell → Play] loop

[slim harbor]

I think the other side of it too is how many people do you think interested in illuvium aren't used to crypto timescales

[hearty cradle]

IZ was a mini game

if we read the IIP

the land sale was supposed to be in november

we know the silv2 exploit happened, but it didnt affect game dev

so the game has been workd for more than 6 months

then grant decided to overhaul the graphic at last minute

[slim harbor]

Take normal game dev though, delays are often way better for us as players and they happen a lot, we often regret when they don't happen cough cyberpunk cough , then split that game being developed into different gaming genre components, then add a crypto economic system on top and combine it all.. I can understand the delays

[hearty cradle]

the problem is that they label it as "alpha"

you know how "alpha" looks

looks like shit and buggy as hell

now they decided they dont want it to be "alpha", in web2 sense at least

that is what i called "misleading"

[slim harbor]

Am I misunderstanding here, surely if they call it alpha or beta doesn't matter, the actual state of the game is what matters

[little moon]

although we can’t bring the past back; the ideal would be to release the alpha then revamp behind the scenes for beta, since UI is for sure completely decoupled to the running backend services, even the blockchain itself;

[hearty cradle]

it matters to us web2 gamers

[little moon]

it looks to me that most of the delays are caused by the UI, e.g. polishing the UI and to the point of complete overhaul, it’s not really sustainable in the long run even in real businesses where there are clients expecting an actual product

[slim harbor]

I honestly disagree on that one, maybe when it comes to triple A demoes but they aren't really that common anymore, I'm much more used to hundreds of games in early access in various stages of alpha and beta, it's got to the point I just wait for 1.0 and it's fine

[hearty cradle]

ILV will be in a perpetual beta, so you cant complain because there wont be a finished product

[little moon]

I would argue that releasing iz-0 can even become strategic because people will become busy for a while until the next sale (illuvitar) which they can also hype; this to me, has better impression than purely polished visual, cause it sends a stronger message that they dont just polish, but also delivers

[hearty cradle]

the official reason is polished, but we know its probably more than that (bugs)

[hearty cradle]

dippity dip dip

[wary notch]

DO THIS SO I CAN BUY IT!

[molten cave]

you cannot just compare eth value

0.5 week ago wasnt value of 0.38 today

I bought a T2 for 1.38 like 2 days ago, was about 1630/1640, now its more than 1850

[ocean haven]

i got tier 2 for 1 ETH - 1000$ last time market crashed might not be a bad time to take some profit

[molten cave]

yeah, maybe not

but as soon zero is announced, probabily a bit fomo, raising prices

[ocean haven]

agree, but think we could go lower first due to long delays

[cyan dew]

True

[harsh acorn]

You need to look at USD value to see what land price is doing as ETH fluctuates

[celest narwhal]

I agree, the price in eth go up because the value in $ of eth go down. Now it’s the opposite

[elder badge]

Dammit everyone is selling land but not one in the vicinity of my land!

[glad junco]

Completely agree!

Just woke up and damn the community is PISSSSSSSSED - im trying to stay objective here but it’s hard because it really does feel like they hyped up the land and post sales knowing that it wasn’t going to be ready.

And now the focus is on the illuvitars which I doubt will have the same success as land since the expectations have been ruined in many peoples’ eyes. The OGs will participate but the point was to bring in fresh blood and I highly doubt sideliners will participate as expected since there’s nothing for them to experience.

IZ was supposed to bring in outsiders and let them experience Illuvium and how cool it is, create that bond, give them somethng to look forward too.. anyway.. ooof that’s rough man.

The section on IZ of the blog was a gut punch for a lot after weeks of waiting without anything. And looks like people are voting with their wallets.

[elder badge]

The one I need hasn’t even been minted yet…

[deep brook]

This, lots of nfts dropping to peg to dollar value, Eths up almost 50% so why would they stay the same?

[harsh acorn]

Exactly if eth price goes up people will be willing to take less for the sale of their land. If people sell now they are not in it for the long haul. The more diamond handed hodlers the better for the future price of land.

[ocean haven]

How dos that make sense if tier-2 was 1 eth, when eth was 1000$? now its 1.3eth FYI eth is now 1500

[ivory bough]

I believe many ppl have been holding Fiat waiting to buy ETH cheaper and now that ETH is going up they decided to have lands before it goes up even more. Having said that, the same ppl can always undercut and drop the price if ETH decides to go down. Also, T2 is a luxurious land that many more can afford than other higher Tiers. My opinion though

[flat herald]

Im confused right now. I do want the maket to recover but on the other hand, if eth is low I can buy land..🤔

[analog fjord]

The struggle is real!

[lost drift]

We need IZ alpha out quick, simple as that

[hearty cradle]

sorry

[cedar hamlet]

this IZ delay is not good at all..I d say you d better deliver something other than sell stuff guys. my2cents

[glad junco]

Yeah IZ getting pushed back until AFTER PB2 Arenas, Illuvitars, AND PB2 Overworld is super disappointing to say the least!

They better be dropping leaks and demos and game plays

[hearty cradle]

sorry

[oak ruin]

why is it so disappointing? ILVZ only really comes to life with the main game up and running, fuel being used etc. There is no need to rush.

[elder badge]

It’s not the rush I believe people are complaining about, but the fact that something was said and now the narrative has shifted on the roadmap.

I am hopeful they will do something for the land owners for the delay

[empty path]

They are making sure you are getting a working game that looks great. I'm sure your negativity will motivate them to launch it faster

[glad junco]

It’s disappointing because the team on multiple occasions has stated that the game is “ready” with only minor tweaks and that it would be out soon. So people of course rushed to grab a plot hoping enjoy the game and scan for BPs. after the initial push the team stated that a delay would only be a few additional weeks which again was tolerable and allowed for some time for people on the secondary market to grab a plot.. after weeks of silence on the release, the JUNE DEV Blog has now completely nullified those announcements.. IZ won’t be coming out until AFTER illuvitars, and PB2 Arenas AND PB2 Overworld (which hasn’t even been on the roadmap yet I don’t think) which means it could be MONTHS before the release.

People are disappointed because this must have been known by the team before and nothing was put out until the Dev blog.

[elder badge]

Reread my comments there is nothing negative about it, must be all the comments getting to you. I am trying to relate to all sides, but you do you.

[empty path]

#💬〕general message

[elder badge]

Your comment actually sounds negative, especially towards people who are vested and believe in the project. Not a good look.

[empty path]

Reread my comment, there is nothing negative about it. You do you 😉

[elder badge]

It’s literally your job to take these criticisms

[empty path]

Nope

[elder badge]

What is a mods job then? To fight back with the community, got it

[oak ruin]

I really think the team was estimating 4-6 weeks after land sale for the ILVZ alpha, but it got pushed back, and it makes sense. I am crazy to be able to play with my lands, but not disappointed by anything or feeling like I shouldn't have bought them. I am a happy owner, and totally aware of everything the studio is doing because they are transparent about it.
Illuvium Zero is a "companion game"... We are getting the chance to play it ahead of time anyway to get some blueprints, thats good enough to know. Let them work and throw some positive energy.

[elder badge]

With mods like fraggy giving snide comments doesn’t help the “positive” energy tbh

[cedar hamlet]

when the illuvitars "ghost sale" will hit you..maybe you will understand that changing plans, roadmap etc..it s a boomerang to your neck. /salute

[whole spear]

I don’t think it’s snide when ppl keep such low level of optimism here sometimes

[glad junco]

I understand that my dude but it wasn’t my point. I don’t care that sit got delayed because I’m treating this time to snipe good plots.

I’m stating that it’s clear from the blog that the longer delay was known by the team, yet the public was not informed. People make investment decisions based on public information - the public information was “delay is about 4 more weeks” which is significantly different from the current timeframe.

My point is, people are pissed because they made investment choices based on false information which wasn’t corrected

[whole spear]

Johnny has already addressed he’s pushing to help get the IZ Alpha

[whole spear]

It’s still all speculative investing you’re talking about… would you rather them launch a sub par project just to keep on time with your speculations?

[cedar hamlet]

our speculations?

what?

[elder badge]

How is what I said low level? Just after reading so many comments like that I was trying to understand both sides, to comment on me like that is uncalled for when there were people already complaining here prior to me engaging.

[winter python]

I understand the feeling of the room, some of us made decisions based on the timeline given, I own 5 properties and would really like to play them. With that said anyone wanna give me private beta access?

[empty path]

You should have a look at #981427337734266920 😉

[gusty fractal]

https://tenor.com/view/first-time-meme-movie-james-cameron-western-gif-17538858

[main hedge]

It's a good thing there's a strong market for folks who felt misled by false info to let go of their plots.. Absolutely a good move to make now. Better to take a little hit on initial investment and just move on tbh.

[whole spear]

We’ve kept everyone up to date with developments, Grant updated ppl that they wanted to re work some art for the better. People act like the team is purposely holding back IZ to screw with their investments and it’s just not the case

[cedar hamlet]

it s an old narrative..be serious

now you want to sell ILLUVITARSSSS

[glad junco]

I’m a happy land owner too. And that’s cool that that we are. But others aren’t and they are being vilified for their criticism simply because they are pointing out that NO ONE FROM THE TEAM CORRECTED THE “4 weeks” DELAY TIMEFRAME! they had to find out from the last nights blog.. that’s a kick in the nuts and feels a bit like withholding of information to avoid negative PR

[whole spear]

Actually the community/council agreed to have Illuvitars sale

[empty path]

You must have missed quite some posts then because we informed everybody that the 4 weeks comment was not correct

[whole spear]

[elder badge]

Just like you missed my positive comments previously when people were complaining before.

[hearty cradle]

they never said 4 weeks, they said "couple of weeks"

[empty path]

I didn't miss you beg for extra stuff in your first 20 messages in this server.

[whole spear]

https://tenor.com/view/shook-cant-ne-not-me-who-oop-gif-13118919

[hearty cradle]

can we go back to unlock fud?

[elder badge]

Begging? Are you serious? It was a suggestion cause of all the complaints and you all on radio silence.

You guys keep rubbing your cheeks together

[whole spear]

Radio silence? That couldn’t be more opposite the truth here hahah

[vivid cipher]

Not here. Maybe #💰〕token

[empty path]

There are 2 lead mods and community manager here, how is it radio silence

[elder badge]

Yes after the fact very funny there rich boy

[hearty cradle]

whoaaaa

[elder badge]

Screw this discord and mod team

[hearty cradle]

take a deep breathe

[winter python]

We are all on the same team

[elder badge]

Some people have nerves of steel these guys have fraggy nerves

[whole spear]

Whoa

[empty path]

Doesn't look like it 😅

[hearty cradle]

someone need a fat joint

[glad junco]

I must have. And I guess a bunch of others too. Again I’m not salty at all about the delay. I’m just trying to play devils advocate for people who felt misinformed.

i haven’t check the pinned messages but I don’t remember announcements or anything stating that the 4 week delay wasn’t correct. Maybe there was. i just know from being in here last couple weeks that we had a lot of “any updates?” With “nothing yet” so take it how you will but I’m not the only one who misssed “a lot”

[empty path]

I'm quite sure there is something in the pinned messages, probably from Lucius.

[hearty cradle]

damn people are angry

[glad junco]

I’ll double check.

Again man, I’m not here to take sides or blame. I really want this thing to succeed but I don’t want to be a yea man either. I think some constructive criticism is healthy and it’s ok for folks to vent after a disappointment.

Things will blow over, people will relax and things will move on. But you gotta let everyone get some steam out 😂

[empty path]

No worries, just trying to inform

[hearty cradle]

are we still getting a roadmap?

or was it the one in the blog?

ok i think it is

[empty path]

I guess people are using the one in the dev blogs to assume things are months away

I didn't see dates in there

[lofty bramble]

Yea there's a roadmap in terms of what order things will get released. Definitely no dates or time-frames though. We just wait until something's posted in announcements with a date otherwise best not to think about it/expect it by a certain time

[glad junco]

Would be cool for team to leak out a gameplay demo for IZ. Like a min vid leak just to show these guys what they are holding their land for. Give them something to discuss.

THAT would be a good way to defuse this tension IMO. a little reassurance and boost to morale?

Wouldn’t you guys agree?

[empty path]

Soon right 🤷‍♀️

[empty path]

I like this idea

[hearty cradle]

been begging for that for weeks

[empty path]

Yes but if you ask something, it won't happen

[hearty cradle]

damn right

no please no leak ser

[empty path]

Same goes for me

Maybe somebody with influence will see that idea 😄

[hearty cradle]

I guess the next few days gonna be fun for you fragg

[empty path]

Why is that

[hearty cradle]

angry mob

i mean angry investooor

[empty path]

It's ok to have questions, it means you care. Just voice them with respect

[boreal barn]

wen 2nd land sale

[hearty cradle]

[empty path]

#💬〕general message

[cedar hamlet]

our speculation on 4-8 weeks

#🎮〕illuvium-zero message

😂

[empty path]

Yes, on 06/06 lucius posted 4-8 weeks. That's still 3 weeks

[hearty cradle]

someone must have started the 4-8weeks rumor

Lol it was lucius

[empty path]

#🎮〕illuvium-zero message

[hearty cradle]

that means arena, illuvitar and overworld within 3 weeks

damnnnn

letsss gooooo

[empty path]

Don't think marketing is gonna agree on that
But who knows 🤷‍♀️

(I don't)

[hearty cradle]

have u watched andrew's video?

[empty path]

Probably

[hearty cradle]

the last one

[empty path]

Rogier painting?

[hearty cradle]

the one with volkin

[empty path]

Yeah, pretty sure I watched that. Anything in it I should remember?

[hearty cradle]

i just remember something, we wouldnt have iz alpha without T5 auction

[tardy sail]

Should I spend it all?

[empty path]

Really? Don't remember that 👀

[hearty cradle]

[empty path]

Jezus, how much ILV do you have

[tardy sail]

Just a few 👀

I see the staking pool is lower, better for who's staking

More ILV to me!

[hearty cradle]

its down by 100m?

wait this is IZ ser

[near berry]

If someone is interested in a 2x2 megacity incl. a T4, check #🛒〕land-dex

[tardy sail]

Some whale just needed a few more I guess

[empty path]

Weird, mine doesn't show it like that

[hearty cradle]

how to sell them? we cant do bundle

[tardy sail]

This is not what i'm staking lol

[hearty cradle]

people are unstaking ILV for SLP

[empty path]

I would have asked you to DM me if that was yours 😏

[tardy sail]

NO DMS

[hearty cradle]

guys #💰〕token

[whole spear]

Yes

[tardy sail]

We're talking about revdis

[hearty cradle]

what does it look like

[whole spear]

A map of a road

[empty path]

https://tenor.com/view/lost-kermit-map-where-am-i-gif-13892258

[near berry]

If I find a interested person, we will find a solution for this.

[hearty cradle]

https://tenor.com/view/dora-themap-imthe-gif-22214617

[small star]

Nothing happened on the stacking/blockchain

[lofty bramble]

Happen to be listening to that right this second

[tardy sail]

Millions were unstaked in the last few days, no?

[hearty cradle]

millions?

[tardy sail]

So the chart is wrong

[small star]

can't post dune link, so go in staking pinned message, find my dashboard, in it you'll find a dune query, run it, dig the data, enjoy

[tardy sail]

Holy crap, I still have the v3 version lol

Will do

[small star]

Lucky i still had a tab open on it

[empty path]

That's a lot of numbers

[small star]

I'm sure you can reply to a lot of question with this, and enjoy looking at people lost in numbers lol

[hearty cradle]

net unstaked

[tardy sail]

So according to that, the chart is wrong on the dashboard

[tardy sail]

this

[small star]

I highlighted concern on this bump on the chart a long time ago in fact

Lost in the discord historic ....

Not sure what is happening, I rarely look at the dashboard, but daily look at the numbers ... damn Illuvium 😆

[lofty bramble]

We need you full time on the illuvium team crunching them numbers plz

[empty path]

He basically is 😄

[paper flame]

Wen land game?

[empty path]

No date announced yet, there are some other things coming first.

[paper flame]

https://tenor.com/view/lame-thats-lame-so-lame-lame-sign-jeff-gif-14507467

[severe oracle]

They've given a rough sequence in the June blog:
PB2 (Arena) → Illuvitars → PB2 (Overworld) → Illuvium: Zero Alpha → Game Loader (needs a name, I want “Singularity”.

really nice to have updated milestones

[hazy jewel]

I’m 600 messages late today, anything important to know?

[severe oracle]

#📣〕announcements

[low quiver]

isnt the overworld a ways out? guessing ILV zero got delayed a bit

[timber sapphire]

Just angry people that they put IZ later on the timeline

[severe oracle]

As described in the blog, the game design sounds complex and to get the right balance for max fun sounds like a challenge i'm glad the experts are taking care of 😄

[low quiver]

ah got it thanks for update! havnt gotten a chance to catch up too many messages lol

[hazy jewel]

Ty

[severe oracle]

It's worth reading the blog, full of facts and clear expectations for the community, pretty good I reckon

[reef echo]

The Dev blog made it seem like we are many months out on IZA.. 4th on the list of major milestones that are, in them selves, weeks or months out possibly longer if issues arise. I can't say that was good news at all. I would have thought it would have been higher on the priority list. If it was so far out they should have waited on the land sale imo 4-8weeks after landsale was the perfect amount of time. I know , I know they are trying to push a quality product but I doubt anyone is expecting a perfect polished Alpha.. I would play it with the old graphics just to visit my land. Just my 2cents that no one asked for lol. Now that I said my piece once , I will wait quietly and patently.

[low quiver]

Have the same sentiment but nothing much else to do besides trust and wait. They working hard so just got to trust the team in their decisions

[thin wolf]

PB2 is not that far out i belive,Illuvitars beginnig of August,Overworld PB1 end of august and ILZ somewhere between August and October ish?

[little moon]

they have mentioned here in discord they’re pushing iz-0 this week, so it’s highly possible it’s already ready by august; unless they get hit again with their ocd

[crude bramble]

Hi guys. How do you know which rss are important in IZ-0?

[mystic umbra]

I honestly think we’re closer than people realize but that’s also my 2 cents. To me it seems like now illuvium zero will be beginning or middle of September. We should have PB2(no pvp) very soon (in my personal opinion) and illuvitars much soon after, (I’d say beginning of august for illuvitars personally), that would then leave the overworld beta to come out sometime mid/late august and then the alpha coming in early September. Seems like a ways away but the releases (to me) seem to be getting closer together in terms of timelines of the release, and multiple other releases that will be sure to fill our hunger for our land. Yes, I’m frustrated as well that the alpha wasn’t as much of a priority because the sale was already done, yes I think they shouldn’t do another sale before getting the product out from the first sale, but, there are different teams with different skill sets and ILZ has become a much greater endeavor and experience than we had originally imagined so it required more man power to make the product polished, hence the delay. The other teams are getting closer to finishing what they originally set out to do. That’s just the way I see it. What once was an idea for a mini game became much more and while the other projects are coming closer to completion on the original idea, with ILZ it’s more complicated because they made the game more complex, more detailed, all good things for us the gamers, patience is a virtue that is too often taken for granted in this space and life in general. Patience pays my friends, don’t let emotions guide your decision, you know why you bought your land if your conviction is no longer there, that is no fault of the team. I’d also like to take this message to say that I appreciate the transparency of the team, and the drive to deliver a quality product that we all will be proud to own:)

Sorry for the message block just have been milling thinking about the dev blog and recent sentiments, I’d love to hear anyone else’s opinion

[harsh acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/the-office-steve-carell-michael-scott-thats-what-she-said-gif-20446601

"Patience is the art of concealing your impatience" - Guy Kawasaki - Michael Scott

[echo jetty]

before land sale: you will be able to play with your land 4 weeks after land sale
right after land sale: btw it will be 8 weeks after land sale
june blog: "PB2 (Arena) → Illuvitars → PB2 (Overworld) → Illuvium: Zero Alpha → Game Loader

just how arrogant must've been the first 4 week call (I won't even try to speculate that it was malicious to fomo people in, because i really don't think the team would do that)

[sly summit]

It wasnt to fomo in because it was said when the sale was over

[echo jetty]

it was 4 weeks before the sale and 8 weeks right after the sale

[glacial frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/elmo-fire-hell-flame-screaming-gif-17747945

[wary notch]

No, it was before

[glacial frigate]

This chat is getting hotter than London

[sly summit]

My bad then

[thin wolf]

@wary notch Shit dude you are fully loaded...

[wary notch]

The team did mess up, Kieran did say it would be 3-4 weeks after land sale we would have IZ, they changed that to 8 weeks, now it's still being pushed without first talking to us with something like "Guys, we did mess up the dates, we did say it would be ready by now, and we're delaying because we think it's better." It's also truth we have instead been getting some misleading answers like "No one has given any dates about IZ release". All this is wrong.

With all of this said, there is no better project in web 3, no better team, and definitely no better NFTs than the ones we are holding, no NFT comes close to the utility we'll have with our land.

So I'm actually happy people are dumping their land because I can actually keep on buying even after ETH pumped so much!

We are definitely in good hands, OCD'd hands of course, hands that aren't even willing to release as an Alfa something that is not up to their level of expectations.

The best hands in the space:
@noble quest
@amber atlas

[wary notch]

I'm not finished.

[thin wolf]

i need to check if you are my neighbour,will be right back🥲

[ocean haven]

personally i would just like know:
Why they have down prioritized IZ, fewer people work on it now, its moved back on the timeline.
(dosent seem like they are in a hurry) yet they gave the community the feeling it was right around the cornor

[thin wolf]

Dude,165 plots... impressive collection.

[wary notch]

Might be a good time to say, if I'm holding anyone's plots to complete their megacity hostage, please contact me. I would never sell land but might be willing to trade to buy more land.

[wary notch]

Thanks man, I'm not really a whale or a corporation, just someone with full trust in the project long term, and all in on Illuvium.

[thin wolf]

you are in the 0,14% 9 other adresses have above 100 plots:=) ser you are a whale.

[cyan dew]

🐳

[deep granite]

https://tenor.com/view/1inch-1inch-exchange-1inch-dex-defi-crypto-gif-24852783

[wary notch]

https://c.tenor.com/8gbZrY71NbEAAAAM/who-me.gif

[thin wolf]

none around mine...

i can not wait until bidding is implemented......

[wary notch]

Totally

[timber sapphire]

I agree with you expect for that timeline. Its gonna take way longer they want to do marketing for each of those too i believe which will take a month each if we look at the previous landsale. So my conclusion of the devblog is that we are lucky if ILZ is out in December (maybe it will be a Christmas gift 🧑‍🎄)

[radiant sky]

You Holding a t1 in halcyon sea, selling for arround 12 ETH?

[balmy storm]

anyone able to remind me what the fuel does for each land

[vivid cipher]

#🎮〕illuvium-zero message

[wary notch]

Nope, I have never listed a plot

[shrewd nova]

Can someone explain how the team gets paid if therea rev dis?

Genuinely curious

[wary notch]

But if you're browsing on the Illuvidex map, it'll tell you who is holding the plots around yours, if it reads "Owned by: langames.eth" then I have it.

[gusty fractal]

they have ilv

[little moon]

The treasury has 1.8 million ILV that gets revdis. That’s where the team funding will come from after the initial 40 million from the raises is used up.

[devout burrow]

Is it just me or would it make more sense that they release IZ first since we need the fuel from the land to play the open world?

[oak solstice]

The fuel tokens of the overworld and IZ won't be enabled in PB2 overworld or IZ alpha

The only thing that will be enabled is blueprints in IZ, everything else will be wiped.

[oak ruin]

how can I turn my Wallet address into a xxx.eth? (sry if it's a noob question)

[thin wolf]

Ens

Ethereum name service

[wary notch]

This

[oak ruin]

got it. you buy the domain

there is already a Ramza.eth, damn haha

[wary notch]

ENS, look it up, but if you're unsure how to, tell us to guide you

[wary notch]

Srry mate

That happens

Not hard to change your name in social media though 😅

[amber atlas]

just to be clear what I meant is that I hadn't given an updated date in the last few days of chat, obviously we've given lots of dates for IZ from the original mini game in the IIP to the time line of 4-6 weeks after land sale during various AMAs and such

the new art and now UI has really added a lot of work, from the basics of 'getting it in' to a whole lot of performance and optimisation related work, the dev team also for the first time has to wait for art to be ready, a change of lighting angle for example means a whole new job to be batched off the render farm... in the past art was typically available first

there's also the old last 10% takes 90% thing coming in to play

this sprint (fortnight) IZ is my main focus, and at the end of the sprint I'll aim to give a more definitive answer about where we are at

---

that's my last word on timeline for 2 weeks though, need to get in and 'do' rather than 'talk' !!

[wary notch]

You guys have our (Overwhelming majority's here) trust.

Thank you for the transparency, and the time to answer to the community, that really reassures us that we are in good hands.

[flat herald]

I prefer to wait a couple of weeks and have a sharp game. First impression is important. Keep up the good work! We trust you.

[amber atlas]

we really really do need to get a video out though

new art, full gameplay, connected to land, etc

at the end of the sprint I'll just leak something myself if we don't get an official one 😉

( * hides from Grant *)

[glad junco]

Exactly what i said earlier. also said that we gotta let people who are disappointed vent out and express their criticism without labeling them FUDDERS.

I recommended the team leak gameplay demo to reassure IZ landowners on why they are holding, to defuse the situation, and to lift morale.

I hope they do. We really need it atm.

But I’m also collecting lands 😉 and I’m ok with waiting and buying from paper hands 🙂 (rhyme not intended)

2 away from .1% club 😇

[amber atlas]

it is totally okay to be disappointed or angry, its not FUD to say we missed dates, it is fact

[wary notch]

Agreed on the fudder label problem, I really think devs like criticism, Johnny himself asks the community for constructive criticism.

[amber atlas]

but hopefully we can show you enough progress and provide enough transparency that you aren't worried

[wary notch]

Congrats man! Keep on buying, is it all on 1 Wallet?

[glad junco]

Yeah.. should I spread them you think?

[wary notch]

No one should be worried, we all know what Illuvium is. I think people are just desperate to play honestly 😂, specially because most expected to just have to wait 4 weeks from the land sale.

[wary notch]

I'm thinking I will

Wouldn't want to do something stupid with 150+ lands would you 😂😅

[glad junco]

Yeah I think that was the bulk of anger. People really thought we were at the end of the tunnel and I know a lot made a decision to scoop a plot just for that reason. So it is frustrating for them. Being in the bear market doesn’t help. People are desperate for some good news in the space so I’m sure that played a role also

[glad junco]

Yeah makes sense. Gonna spread

[shrewd nova]

Thanks for saying that, people assume I'm spreading fud when I'm bringing up these issues.

[tardy fern]

when you list a plot, why does the price increase? is the price you enter what you are going to get back after fees?

[wary notch]

Pretty sure that's why, fees go on top of your asking price

[tardy fern]

interesting

well L2 is so much better than L1 lmao

no comparison

no trx fees and happened instantly

[wary notch]

Constructive Criticism will always be appreciated by people building great things, and will always be criticized by people too insecure about their investments to have them questioned.

[wary notch]

Totally

[whole spear]

Let me be clear in saying I didn’t label anyone as spreading FUD about this either… I simply ask people to have patience and a little optimism goes a long way, with your own well being and the teams. If you bought land under a certain pretense then you are not out any money from not playing the alpha… just a matter of waiting a bit longer

[little moon]

why are Crystal Shore lands, pricier than others?

[radiant sky]

I think most people (myself included) are just for the Moment a little disappointed, because they thought they can collect blueprint(s) before the official Launch. With the new "roadmap" it Looks Like the collecting period is dramatically reduced, because ilz is pretty much the last thing released.
The whole disappointment will be over in a few days for most people i think, and we are all happy again, to Be a Part of the game/community... Especially in this early stages of the whole universe

[amber atlas]

there was only ever going to be a very limited set of blueprints pre-beta, the expectation is that you will still be able to collect them all

[radiant sky]

Didn't know it was very limited.
Glad to hear that.

And now ...
https://c.tenor.com/0M9mDpNl5J4AAAAM/get-to-work-work.gif

[stone jewel]

Hi guys! Is there a way to transfer my lands from metamask to my Ledger Wallet?

[whole spear]

Hook up your ledger to imx first and then yeah you can use the transfer feature on Illuvidex looks like a litter paper airplane when you click on the land you wanna transfer

[stone jewel]

understood, imma try it. thx

[stone jewel]

Before hooking up the ledger to imx, this shows up:

"You MUST be upgraded to firmware v0.12.0 for your Immutable X Key to be generated correctly.

If you are not, the key that is created may not be able to access your assets."

Is it safe to move forward?

The version of my ledger says "Ledger Live 2.44.0", not sure if that is the information I should be checking lol

[whole spear]

Here let’s head over to #981426698333618276

[stone jewel]

sounds good, thxx

[quaint prism]

To clarify, does "you" here refer to all landowners collectively? My understanding was that there will be a limited supply of blueprints and it's RNG to get one after scanning. So some people will have multiple and some people will have zero BPs. Is that correct regarding IZ alpha?

[amber atlas]

there is difficulty to obtain and the set will limit the time for which BPs are available, but the v1.1/alpha blueprints won't be difficult to obtain

so getting a T5 Stage 3 blueprint is difficult, trying to get a certain targeted/specific blueprint is exceedingly difficult even with many lands, but getting a single blueprint of any stage/tier is not particularly difficult

the alpha blueprints are mostly intended as a small thank you to early holders

I mean you still need to build the right structures, scan Illuvials and do your research, but anyone who sets themselves to this task (and holds land 😉 ) should succeed

[silent falcon]

Hey just wondering how the distribution of fuel sales to land owners will work. Will you get a set amount based on tier or will there be some other way of distribution???

[dry mango]

FUELs and Elements will be produced based on the amount of extraction locations of each type (FUELs can be transformed into each other), so the more sites to explore resources the more you will produce, as well as evolving your buildings will also increase production .

[hearty cradle]

the alpha will figure out the average total production

[silent falcon]

Im referring to the 5% of all sales that goes back to landowners. Not the fuel generated by the land itself

[hearty cradle]

divided by the number of total prod times your prod

[silent falcon]

So your share of the 5% is base on the production of your land?

[vivid cipher]

The 5% is only a loose estimate based on the fact that the LANDS will produce 5% of the fuel tokens that are in the swap pool that people will need to swap their eth into to get the fuel tokens to use in the games. (Sorry that’s a poor sentence)

[hearty cradle]

yea its up to 5%, so it can be lower

[vivid cipher]

The general idea is that Land owners get to swap their FUEL tokens in to get eth out. When they do the DAO will also swap 19 fuel tokens for eth for every 1 of the land owners fuel tokens. (Land owners get 5% DAO gets 95%)

[hearty cradle]

the problem is that we have a rail of +- 25%, that means the team has to figure out the average total prod of fuel from IZ to determine the starting price of fuel

for example,
during the alpha, IZ have a daily prod of 1000 crypton, that means the DAO will produce 19000 crypton
the team put a price of $10 per crypton

then, in the open beta, the daily prod of crypton from IZ is actually 2000, that means the DAO must produce 38000 crypton

sending the price of crypton to $5

thats more than 25% decrease

[balmy storm]

can anyone explain what's the cost of scanning biodta

I know silicon builds the buildings but does silicon allow you to scan per day etc.

[hearty cradle]

johnny said elements, but no info on which elements and how much

[balmy storm]

i see

any thoughts on which land may be worth more?

i'm trying to buy but am just scrambling to see what makes the most sense

It seems like solon and silicon are the least attractive for people

[hearty cradle]

crypton i think

but they are going to make them balanced

[balmy storm]

i just bought a land!

... now what

😉

[vivid cipher]

Hold. Till alpha

Then play

[balmy storm]

i'm gunna tell people i spent 1.3 Eth on the land but say it's just the jpeg of the land

[mystic umbra]

Go ahead

[gusty frigate]

when illuvium zero alpha rilis ?

[empty path]

TBA, some other stuff coming first. You can check the dev blog posted by Aaron in #📣〕announcements

[gusty frigate]

PB2 (Arena) → Illuvitars → PB2 (Overworld) → Illuvium: Zero Alpha → Game Loader (needs a name, I want “Singularity”.

I think, it's still a long time

[whole spear]

This was discussed at length in here today if you scroll up

[gusty frigate]

ok i will read it slowly, thanks for telling

[empty path]

I feel like this would make a lot of people feel better about it. Somebody suggested it here before and I loved the idea

[hearty cradle]

@amber atlas can you safely say that IZ alpha is coming in Q4 22?

[fair temple]

He would come back on a timeline in 2 weeks.
#🎮〕illuvium-zero message

[hearty cradle]

no wen for 2 weeks then

[empty path]

[hearty cradle]

should we do something special for the anniversary of delay?

[half turtle]

@amber atlas Obviously landowners can only be as productive as the land tier affords. But awhile back, Keiron mentioned that landowners would need ~20-30m/day in Zero. First, any update on the accuracy of this claim, AND second, can someone qualify this?? Should we infer that this means theres a limit of daily productivity/optimization beyond fuel and resource production? I assume there is no limit on executions ( e.g. scanning, blueprints, mints etc), so how does one arrive at a 20-30min estimate?

[hearty cradle]

have you played CoC, simpson tapped out

at the start you will prob spend sometime to figure things out

once you get familiar with the game, and most of the optimization is done, you will probably just need to click a few buttons to start an action or claim fuel/elements/bp

thats how they get 20-30m/day of gameplay

builder game usually gets tedious after awhile, unless you have gameplay updates

[desert elbow]

my guess is that 20-30 is clean playtime but u will need to login more times per day..

[little moon]

you have to suffer like the rest of us

[empty path]

Now you wait 🙂

[little moon]

… now <you> what

[desert elbow]

@balmy storm ........and answer for your next question is soon 😉 😂

[empty path]

https://tenor.com/view/illuvium-illuviumio-ilv-yield-farming-gif-22225026

[hearty cradle]

when weeks become months

[little moon]

he bought land, now he’s cursed

[empty path]

Blessed*

[desert elbow]

but he have nice price tho 😄

..maybe..

[hearty cradle]

it could be the top

but still cheaper than last month

[desert elbow]

so its not top then

we buy at top 😂

[little moon]

it’ll be once we can play, for now it’s a curse

[hearty cradle]

silv2 discount was nice tho

[empty path]

I disagree

[little moon]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-sad-why-why-are-we-still-here-just-to-suffer-gif-17485467

[rough stone]

Will we be able to play our lands while they are on a ledger?

[pure cloak]

Hardware wallets hold and secure your seed phrase and with the seed phrase it gives access to addresses and those addresses hold your tokens/assets. So a hardware wallet holds and doesn't hold your tokens/assets at the same time😆

[static pecan]

Hello there, I have a question regarding tier 0 land that I'm hoping someone could shed some light on, please

[rough stone]

Thank you, is it best to transfer to a Ledger? I don't even know if my Ledger Nano S can hold NFTs.

[static pecan]

Since tier 0 is free land what does this mean for the player that only has access this to this compared to those that have tier 1 - 5. As I understand it, those that have higher tier land can generate far more resources. [effectively pay to win in some sense, no?] Am I also correct in saying that having higher tier land will allow you access to far higher levelled illuvials?

[pure cloak]

If your Nano S has an ETH address then it should be possible. You have to make sure that your hardware wallet (ledger) is connected with metamask and that you have already connected your wallet(ledger) with IMX once. (It is always recommended to put your tokens/assets/nfts on a hardware wallet :P)

[wise widget]

Not quite correct with the higher tier illuvials, (maybe you're getting mixed up with the main game in overworld?). Tier 0 is just a free to play version of illuvium zero the mobile game. You will recieve a piece of land that is equivalent to a paid tier 2 piece of land.... But you can't sell blueprints or sell any fuel that you mine from that tier 0 land.

[static pecan]

@wise widget right okay, thanks - so I'm still confused about it all haha. So from my understanding then this game is like pokemon where you go out into the wild and collect illuvials and then battle them - I never played pokemon but this is something along the lines of that right?

[wise widget]

There is the main game, that is similar to the pokemon style where you go out and capture the Illuvials yes. But the land based mobile game (illuvium zero) is a city builder that people play to generate fuel which is used by people in the main game (for travel or forging etc) and they can sell it for eth. There is no capturing of illuvials in IZ. Something a little similar you can do, is scan for blueprints which can also be sold.

[wise widget]

Lots of fantastic YouTube creators with many videos explaining better than I can how it all works and joins together

[static pecan]

right okay well thanks anyways.

[wise widget]

More than happy to answer more queries, just some great videos kicking about now too.

[high sleet]

Anyone have the final eth input stat of the land sale

[gusty fractal]

(IMO) its more a pay2fast.
pay2win Will be only in the leviathan arena because illuvials Will have différent stats if i'm correct.
there is an other arena with basic stats for all the illuvials.