🎮〕illuvium-zero

[hearty cradle]

cant believe WoW was an mmorpg

[celest narwhal]

There was some speculation and some people try to make assumptions about IZ revenue from data of other game and P2E. For now my theory is 50$/month for site of fuel (soT1 50$ month; T2 it’s 50$ x3 + 30% boost; ecc for other tiers) in this way the ROI is in about 8-10 months for almost every and each tiers. I think it’s plausible. Anyway NFA and DYOR.

[noble drum]

And my my estimation your numbers are assuming 1Bil in annual fuel rev. Correct?

[celest narwhal]

Yes just for the fuel, so the rev for all the illuvium games will be more. It’s common though that illuvium will gain more than axie infinity 6billion/annual.

[hearty cradle]

wen

[empty path]

Nothing so far, if there was it would be in #📣〕announcements

[near berry]

I totally understand that the development of IZ still takes time and it´s good for all parties, that it comes with the best possible condition when finally released. But I would really appreciate, if we could get more information about the game theory/rules. Any kind of stats, costs (e.g. costs to send resources from 1 owned land plot to another), requirements (e.g. order how buildings can build - need building x to be able to build building y) , whatever. The more the better. We could at least keep building/plan in our minds and won´t loose interest in it.

[vapid bough]

I hear that. The challenge of releasing some of this early is that everything's comes with a disclaimer: could be changed at any time for balancing. Additionally, everyone who knows this info is busy working on the alpha release. People like Johnny and Khaled are Insanely busy as things ramp up for any kind of launch/release.

[willow torrent]

Yes I also understand that it cant be released from testing to any beta as it would begin to modify the NFT. This wont be a good idea until back end testing is balanced. You must remember that as it stands its a 6 month max out if fully boosted for most tiers. Releasing too early wont offer the right value when overworld is released.

[near berry]

Thanks for the quick response. I have no doubts the team is very busy and is probably even more interested to release than the community. 😉 But any information could give out now, would be great to get in the near future. The community needs something new to deal with during the waiting time.

[umbral badge]

The key part to understand is that Blueprints used to make skins will require crafting materials and I believe the harvesting of illuvials for their essence.
This is what will keep fuel sales going, because people will continue to grind for materials and illuvials to make blueprints

[royal scroll]

I want to play it aswell. But it's about the investment. It would be naive to think that people are only here for the game. If we are being real here money is a huge part why people are here. For me atleast it is a main part. We are in the crypto world after all. If you are in a project with 80k+ concerning about transparency is very much a valid point.

And if I haven't missed anything about the zero app the devs are not reall showing progress on the app nor in depth gameplay. If a game is shortly before its release especially mobile games you would expect actual gameplay. Either it is the marketing team than doesn't really care or the devs since the game isn't at a point where it is even fully playable.

[oak topaz]

What do you mean? It literally made mmorpgs…

[royal scroll]

If that is the case why say at the landsale the mobile app is about to be out very soon. It is a month after and a eta isnt anywhere to find.

[hearty cradle]

it was, but not anymore

[royal scroll]

You can't compare axie and illuvium. These are 2 completly different games sir. Also axie is a pc platform game. Zero is a Phone game. I am not talking about the overworld

[hearty cradle]

[little moon]

so where can you compare it, axie infinity is the most popular nft game, the point is even the most popular game (and has the most experience and daus) takes 4 years to develop land gameplay (which is not even alpha), and its not even triple a; and iz can be played on desktop and mobile, based on the marketing campaign

[royal scroll]

This is why people don't like to write constructive criticism because if you do fanboys like you come out of their holes

[empty path]

There was never an official date announced for IZ Alpha

[hearty cradle]

[royal scroll]

That is the point you can't compare a PC Plattformer against a mobile only game.

And again I talk about the Zero game not the overworld

[little moon]

that’s exactly the point, time was your concern and i’m answering it relevant to time using the most popular and experienced nft in the market, and your concern is launch date

[hearty cradle]

we are all waiting bruh

[little moon]

again, iz can be played in both desktop and mobile; axie too, i don’t get your point there

[royal scroll]

The problem is you compare a time between a pc game and a mobile game

[hearty cradle]

[royal scroll]

Ok actually I didn't know that. Where does it say that

[little moon]

on the marketing campaign before the land sale

[hearty cradle]

its a webgl

[royal scroll]

Ok if that is the case you got a point.

[hearty cradle]

https://tenor.com/view/when-wen-naru-yummi-yummi-universe-gif-23030317

[royal scroll]

What I still have concerns of is the transparency. In depth gameplay or actual progress on the Zero App should be communicated. And I think that should be valid

[willow torrent]

I think because IZ is not overly complex to grasp in its mechanics once you have played a city builder you get the idea. If they leaked anything more it may as well be the game itself. The only other thing to leak (for transparency) would be the harvest rates and build times. I am sure these are still being balanced through the 50 differing combinations possible per resource and stage of buildings.

[hearty cradle]

https://tenor.com/view/quarantine-got-me-like-bored-happy-monday-monday-mood-spinning-gif-16731484

[celest narwhal]

there is no second chance to make a first impression. having said that IZ is a game that produces fuel for the other games in the illuvium world ... do you realize that even if it was released tomorrow you would not get any real gain, yes? I understand making constructive criticisms and if you are game developper and designer or senior marketing feel free for everyone else: asking endlessly wen is NOT constructive criticism!

[thin wolf]

https://tenor.com/view/illuvium-frog-illuvium-anon-anonymous-you-cant-see-me-gif-25589401

[hollow shoal]

Zero will be mobile and browser.

[wind bolt]

While it looks like there still is not an official date, has there been any update as to development delays? Like are we still on track for a release this summer?

[compact nebula]

https://tenor.com/view/when-wen-naru-yummi-yummi-universe-gif-23030317

[undone phoenix]

Probably not. Looking more at Q1 2023

[compact nebula]

correct

[vapid bough]

Check pins in this channel. We're transparent as much as possible. There are relatively recent updates.

[wind bolt]

wait i meant the alpha for illuvium zero, not the full game

[undone phoenix]

Oh sorry. Thought you meant the implementation with open world, Zero and arena in open beta.

[wind bolt]

no, no I know thats a ways out

[undone phoenix]

Then any guess is as valid as anything. The last we heard should be in July, but that was before the no dates or deadlines stance, so there is no good answer to your question right now

[wind bolt]

alright sounds good thanks

[shrewd nova]

Can we actually play the game before buying more nfts

[empty path]

Once it's launched, yes

[shrewd nova]

I mean like before the illuvitars go on sale

[empty path]

you don't need an Illuvitar to play, nobody is forcing you to buy

[subtle frost]

No dates, but I am hoping for end of July beginning to Mid August

[weak crown]

Looking forward to play! Wait will soon be over and then we can play instead of reading in the channela all day long 😂🕺

[blazing canyon]

End of July would be awesome. But even mid/end August would be fine too. Good things need time

[harsh acorn]

I swear this gif should be pinned here permanently 😆

[empty path]

https://tenor.com/view/illuvium-illuviumio-ilv-yield-farming-gif-22225026

[analog fjord]

Can't be soon enough!

[noble drum]

i have been trying to track available megacities on the market. thought i share the what i found so far

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1JFgENCtp8P9X8RoTcrdfZU06ooIFS-WgXxr_ZcenQRw/edit?usp=sharing

[floral locust]

Interesting, what are your thoughts on these prices?

[noble drum]

some are just bonkers and the pricing useless. but if you start to look at the lower cost megacities you can start to get a feel for some pricing. but theres not a ton of examples. around 2x floor price seems to be where the lower end is ending up

[charred shoal]

Selling 1x T1 Land Plot. Halcyon Sea. all 3 elements + Crypton. Plot 88597. 0.49 eth

[floral locust]

Hmm yea, going to be hard to determine a fair price without knowing what else they can do besides landmark sharing and saving building space

excited to see what they cook up! 👨🏾‍🍳

[noble drum]

hey you can always scoop up that 3x3 for 950 Eth 🙂

[dire pier]

Not many megas have sold just from the dex, most are probably people talking. If you price it to sell you run a high risk of someone sniping the cheap part and holding it for ransom.. maybe heh

[undone phoenix]

The last one seems wrong on the tier 4 pricing. But can’t check right now on phone

Nice work though!

[floral locust]

Yea there is risk trying to sell mega city right now, Still early days for IMX and illuvidex. Offer sytem will be a big improvement when it's done

ability to bundle would be amazing too

[tardy fern]

I'm thinking land prices are going to drop during illuvitar sale

People will want liquidity to buy land and atm not much new liquidity is coming into the system, it's all the same people atm buying up ILV, Land, Illuvitar etc

[rotund reef]

Interesting take, I like it.

[noble drum]

Do you think people would sell their land in order to buy Iluvitar’s? That would surprise me because land is revenue generating and Iluvitar’s are not

[noble drum]

Yeah if you find something wrong or anything you let me know and I can add it in

[noble drum]

Oops yea there was a T3 I marked as a 4. I’ll fix it

[tardy fern]

Some people 100% will, I think it will mainly be people who have over invested in land and looking to offload a few to diversify more. Just my take

[dire pier]

I feel the same way i felt hanging out on message boards for beta diablo 2.. so hungry to play aaaargghhhhh

[heady reef]

Do we know if Mobile and PC will be available same day?

[charred shoal]

how long does it take for a wthdrawal from IMX to Metamask?

[hollow shoal]

Nope but can hope

[primal wagon]

IMX says up to 24hrs -48hrs, I haven't tried personally

[simple edge]

If they have to get it on the Google Play Store PC may be easier to implement first IZ alpha

[worn scaffold]

Exactly, It doesn’t make sense to me as well. But we’ll see

[vague yarrow]

Considering how much people spend on skins in regular games such as Fortnite and others, I wouldn't be suprised if some ppl spent absurd amounts of money for the Illuvitars. Personally I think that's insane but some ppl pay lots for bragging rights and cosmetic items 😉

[fickle ore]

Im happy with how stable the land prices are. So pleased with the dutch auction.

[charred shoal]

thank you

[noble drum]

its usually just a few hours when i have done it.

[charred shoal]

is a T2 land like 3 T1 of the fuel amount they can produce or like 2x T1?

or perhaps 4x T1? with the 33% bonus?

[noble drum]

4x with the bonus

3 fuel sites x 1.3333 output = 4

And T3 outputs 12 worth. So when looking at the prices T2 I’ve always seemed cheap compared to the others

[simple edge]

Plus if you buy the right T2 plot you could have all 3 fuels and resources to develop with

[tardy fern]

Is there a reason why people consider crimson waste land to be worth more than the rest? I never see crimson listed at the lowest price

[noble drum]

I think it’s because the fire illuvials are popular

[oak ruin]

around 24h i think

[simple edge]

there is a T2 Crimson Waste 2nd from the lowest at floor

[tardy fern]

ah there is, they usually aren't though right?

[simple edge]

some people buy for location but I think resource content also plays into what people look for in a plot

[charred shoal]

Thank you for the info : )

[charred shoal]

I'm glad to have one T2 with all fuels and good balanced elements in crimson waste : )

[simple edge]

That's a good plot of land

[charred shoal]

thank you for the info : )

[whole stirrup]

I for one appreciate your constructive criticism

[whole stirrup]

I totally agree with you. No way in hell I'll sell a piece of land for illuvitar

[charred shoal]

i think land is more worth than illuvitars. i buy some but would never sell a land for that

[noble drum]

Plus silv2 is so cheap you don’t need to sell a land 🤪

[charred shoal]

that's true : )

[tardy fern]

My biggest concern is the t5 land sale hasn't happened yet and it's been really quiet around that. Imo the team isn't going to launch IZ beta until that happens, there needs to be marketing leading upto t5 land sale, and I think council also needs to approve the time.

Looking forward to the beta but having some time frames would be nice or updates on how far off we are

[whole stirrup]

only way to buy sILV is through sushiswap?

[oak ruin]

Uniswap

[umbral hull]

and make sure you're getting sILV2, not sILV

[simple edge]

I'm not sure they have to have the T5 land sale before IZ alpha, its only 2 plots, and the arena feature wont matter until well into the future

[tardy fern]

also 1inch

[tardy fern]

hopefully not, that would bring the IZ beta into players hands much sooner

[wary notch]

I think so too

Personally I do think the team will do their best to deliver this or next month. Partly to not lose community's trust after Kieran first said it was 3-4 weeks, and then moved it for 4-8 weeks

We still have almost those 4 last week's before people can actually start saying the "Finished product" marketing before the land sale was misleading.

In the meantime I'm just trying to accumulate land

[simple edge]

With the crypto crash and ETH and ILV price tanked, it would make sense to delay T5 land sale

[wary notch]

Btw guys, why are crimson waste T1's not being sold? It's not the case for any other tier, who is keeping them all?? 😂 If you have one or two consider paper handing it to me below 0.50 I'll buy it right away only today or tomorrow

[sturdy herald]

keep waiting for them to crash so I can scoop some ....nope.

[wary notch]

While speeding up IZ, yes

[sturdy herald]

its very encouraging for the game

[simple edge]

One of my questions is if IZ is a mobile app, how does your wallet tie in ? the Metamask app could do it I suppose, but I have not seen any info on that aspect.

[hollow shoal]

You sign in online using your wallet. Creating an account using username and password. On mobile you’ll sign in with that which is tied to your wallet through a web browser.

[simple edge]

That might work for alpha, but for IZ to function as a standalone mobile game on full release, in order to sell/buy fuel and resources on the market and mint blueprints there would need to be wallet integration. although I'd bet most current land owners are pc gamers, it would be cumbersome to require pc/mobile combo for IZ to function, not to mention keep allot of mobile gamers from playing. They have stated IZ is intended to be primarily a mobile game. I believe Dmitriy|Illuvium said he tried out the IZ demo and it was android.

Altho I myself would prefer to play IZ on PC

[thin wolf]

Ehh you were basically saying if the game does not come out soon you will quit and leave😬thats not constructive and more in line with a tantrum.

[mystic solstice]

any news on when the land will be playable?

[dry mango]

TBA

[willow torrent]

Mate how did you put this together? Did you go through every land and see which addresses match?

[hollow shoal]

I CANT WAIT FOR ZERO!

[random siren]

Are there any benefits to having an all t1 mega city? Will they still be able to do all the things other mega cities can do in the future like build space ships? The space ship is just a rumor of course but I used it as an example

[stiff talon]

I think the only real benefit is you won't have to incur an elements fee when transferring resources as it will count as one plot.

[tardy fern]

wen

[chrome goblet]

https://tenor.com/view/wen-creepz-wenfinity-wenwenwen-creepz-wen-gif-25738654

[empty path]

https://tenor.com/view/illuvium-illuviumio-ilv-yield-farming-gif-22225026

[main hedge]

Could people still buy land on the secondary using sILV2?

Is that what's showing up as ERC20 token on Illuvidex?

[empty path]

No

[main hedge]

Then why there's these trx with ERC20, what's that?

[empty path]

I don't understand the question

[main hedge]

On illuvidex I saw a few transactions go through showing ERC20 tokens instead of ETH or USDC, so wondering what's that

[worn scaffold]

Yes you are right on this. However, people are not spending millions at the start of a game - especially a new game in a new era (blockchain). A game needs to be hyped and a lot of players in the first place.

[worn scaffold]

Question; at the moment I hold two T2's and one T1. I still have budget to buy another T1 or even a T2. But, would it make sense to buy 1 T3 and sell my T2's including a T1?

[empty path]

NFA but I would probably try to do that

[main hedge]

T2s are undervalued as compared to T3s in my opinion. 3T2s+1T1 is def more formidable than single T3, just more plots to manage. 😊

I used this to do a simple plot but probably too simplistic https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1u4LhMYtXX8xG3RBFNjuzwOTLAa8Xjj9q/edit?usp=drivesdk&ouid=116325812213617239226&rtpof=true&sd=true

[noble drum]

If you go to the tokentrove web site you can see the map with all@the plots for Sale. I just scrolled around there map and took note of any 2x2 that was for sale at the moment.

[willow torrent]

Oh so they are opportunities for a mega not confirmed amount of megas.

[noble drum]

Correct, you would still need to purchase the plots individually at the moment because there is no bundleing capability. I was just trying to take note of what sorts of prices people are asking on the market when they are selling mega city formations they have already

[main hedge]

If you buy a 2x2 on offer using his method of looking, then you own a MC outright

But buying them individually yes

[noble drum]

As others have pointed out, t2 Are currently underpriced in terms of their fuel output compared to the other tiers. Terms of benefits of a single land, not only are there less lands you have to manage, but there are less resource sites as well. Because of the tear boost and the higher lands can you get more output for a single site. For example on t3, You would only need to harvest fuel from six sites where to get the same output with a bunch of t1, you would need to harvest 12 fuel sites. Which also means you need to build six more extractors. Also in terms of buildings, unless you are multiple lands were in a mega city, you will have to build the same buildings on each plot, such as converters. Where if you had all of the resources on a single T3 you would only need a single building. So the benefit really comes down to time and overall efficiency.

[worn scaffold]

Awesome, thanks! Will have a look at it

[worn scaffold]

Thank you! Tough decisions 😎

[dusty agate]

More lands give chance to get more blueprints 🙂

[noble drum]

Happy to help. It is a tough choice. Plus keep in mind the 6-7% fee you will end up paying to sell your lands and rebuy the T3. Personally I’d rather the T3 so it’s less to manage and more efficient. But with T2 prices low it’s a tough choice.

[worn scaffold]

I might wait for the moment when the T2’s will increase in price. Like you said earlier - those T2s seems a bit undervalued at the moment in comparison with a T3.

The good thing is, I have enough spare time to manage multiple lands so I’m not really in a hurry.

Thanks everyone for your insights. Love to be here in this channel :)! Keep it up

[burnt mist]

good insight indeed. 🙂

[waxen turret]

Hello received link to play beta but can’t get it to work is it legit

[floral locust]

what is the email address it's from?

[dry mango]

login to the site, if you were selected the steps will appear on it

[waxen turret]

Steps where taken states can’t open because not secure

[empty path]

I deleted that screenshot for your own safety, everybody could see your email 😉

[stiff talon]

Go into the Illuvium website, click beta and login with your email but I received the same email when I got into PB1. But I never click links. Went straight into the website and clicked the beta tab.

[waxen turret]

Thanks friend

[waxen turret]

Oh so don’t need to download anything just log in and play but it asks to download

[stiff talon]

No you need to login and at the bottom of the page if I remember correctly you have to download the game files. But only from the official Illuvium page Illuvium . IO

After you download it, you will be good to go and can start participating in the beta!

[latent kiln]

still no game?

[empty path]

No

[latent kiln]

wen game ?

[empty path]

TBA

[analog fjord]

Not "soon" enough! Better the team takes their time though, a good first impression goes a long way.

[waxen turret]

Thanks I’ll give it a try

[crude bramble]

Why TBA? We had a timeline! Now is TBA?!

[vivid cipher]

Aaron explained some of why in the may dev blog #📣〕announcements message

[umbral hull]

it wasn't a timeline, it was a vague estimate.

[crude bramble]

Yea, not explained enough for me. So basically end of july is no longer the latest we could see the game out?

[crude bramble]

Lol. The vague estimate 4 weeks aprox. at the time of the sale. After that, they said something between like 4-8 weeks which means end of july.

So end of july is no longer on the table?

[umbral hull]

yep. and it was never a promise and shouldn't have ever been taken that way.

[void raft]

my friend, you obviously dont know the process of development

[crude bramble]

Yes, sorry im the idiot. Im not here to argue with any of you. It would be such an waste of time. Have a great day 👍

[vivid cipher]

No dates are hard dates until they are in #📣〕announcements

[crude bramble]

Sure thing. Just keep on fucking with the comunity. It’s ok. Triple A gaming studio. If this would happen in the real world lol 🤣

The community went on rage mode just because God of War postponed the date of announcing their game 🤣🤣 imagine they would have to go through this shithousery 🤣🤣

[vivid cipher]

The team members just would post publicly what they were aiming for. That’s a problem. Since they are not real dates. So to avoid just this sort of thing, publicly saying any dates before it’s firm is no longer done.

[void raft]

I am a professional software tester and from my 12+ years of experience, I estimate things like this: I estimate as best as I can and then I multiply the number by 3 and that is usually how things go if you want them in a good quality so, so noone is fucking with the community here mate

[crude bramble]

Yea right. Please check the real world. They are messing with our expectations, money and so on. If I knew the game would be launched several months later, i would not have bought a single land.

If this is not fucking with the community, I don’t know what is it.

[void raft]

Well our company, I work for Avast, its real world 🙂

[spring void]

I'm indifferent to the no dates thing because I can wait patently for ILZ to release but I wonder why they decided to do the land sale without knowing a hard release date? I understand games do pre-orders but not to this dollar magnitude.

[crude bramble]

At the time of the land sale the team announced the game would be launched in 4 weeks - aprox. Why would you lead on the community and mess with our money?!

[stiff talon]

You can sell your land and make your money back if you not keen on waiting 😋

[crude bramble]

We are not talking about development here. Software development or any kind of development. We are talking about claiming some stuff that is not real and messing with us.

[void raft]

we are talking about dev here 🙂 you want to set a date, but sometimes its just not possible, rather delay for a while than release a broken product

[crude bramble]

It’s my fault that i put my money in it. That’s 100% clear. My problem is that I followed the announcements made by the team behind the game. So I was lead on to believe that in aprox. 4 weeks I can play the game. Which is not the case anymore

[stiff talon]

I'm pretty sure nothing was officially announced

[crude bramble]

Lol. Any message coming from the team is like an official announcement. Im not expecting a letter at my home.

It was written everywhere (including by the members of the team), at the time of the sale, that in 4 weeks, aprox., we will play the game.

[umbral hull]

what exactly do you want people in this chat room to tell you?

[crude bramble]

If you know the game is not ready, why did you do the landsale? Why are you focusing on doing another sale?

[crude bramble]

Good point, thanks. Im just sharing my disappointment. And im sad to see that everyone is ok with this situation. That’s why we have more and more rug pulls and lose money like idiots, and so on

[umbral hull]

I am okay with this situation. You are not okay with it. It's okay for us to view it differently.

I will be holding onto my land. You are free to sell yours. It is hovering around the same price as before.

Not sure what else to tell ya.

[crude bramble]

Of course it’s ok to have different views. I know you can’t tell me anything else. Cheers 👍

[stiff talon]

Dude all you can do in Alpha is potentially get blueprints to create skins. So you want to create skins now for a game that's only gonna be released in December maybe early 2023. I get you frustrated but I've seen games with major hype start and it's utter shit because the servers crash and major bugs... I'd rather wait for my long term investment rather than a shitty Axie Infinity 2.0

[crude bramble]

Sorry, but that’s not the issue at hand here. Im not talking about how good or bad is the product. Im talking about being led on by the team’s messages. I didnt know it would take months for the game to launch. They said 4 weeks so I bought during the landsale. This is not normal. It’s like asking you for money for a produc im going to send you in 4 weeks. But after 4 weeks you find out it’s gonna be another 4 weeks. And after some time you don’t even know how long will it take for me to send you the product.

So basically I paid for something I don’t know when I’m going to get. Again, I took the decision based on the team’s messages. Not something I heard on the radio or followed some influencer on Twitter.

[floral locust]

https://tenor.com/view/fud-gif-23986683

[barren wyvern]

So why not sell your land if you’re so dissatisfied? You will most likely get close to your money back ?

[crude bramble]

👍

Thanks for the conversation! Have a great day 💪

[opal thistle]

That's why we always try to refer to official #📣〕announcements. I do get that it's frustrating specially in current market conditions but if we go by unofficial team messages last I saw was 4 - 8 weeks after sale

[wooden sphinx]

To be honest, I wish to wait for all parts to be ready . Whatever it takes and then play a full game . Because I’m believing in project . the team is 100% working and all we need is patience and support. do not forget that we are early investors and we all have a happy future. we must help each other. the game is multifaceted and AAA! Miracles do not happen and of course it takes time. a lot of time.

[noble drum]

the date you are complaining about in the next few weeks is simply for a test version of the game that is not even real and will be completely erased when the "real" game "does" come out.

[ivory fjord]

Development of any kind is multifaceted, you try to do one thing, whole other thing breaks and its delayed, you dont release anything and keep working ILV token holder gets impatient cause rev dis. Its all a balancing act while things go wrong 12 times in the same day. But this team has been super transparent giving away leaks day after day and should no way be talked about or referred to or compared with Rug pulls, thats just opening the FUD gate for no reason

[rotund reef]

The more impatient money we can shake out of this ecosystem now, the better off we'll all be in the future. The bottom will officially be in the day nobody asks "wen".

[ivory fjord]

There is no apparent way to make the money back we have invested in the land anytime soon unless you sniped a whale, most of us going into it knew this and knew it would be long hold. Games get delayed n Im ok waiting till they have something that will make some major moves in the P2E gaming world.

[little moon]

imho, it's already money back (plus more) if you bought with silv2 and sold with eth with the same price during and after land sale (that's 30% gain iirc during land sale), but if you mix dollar value, then that's a different problem

[ivory fjord]

my bad, money back playing the game instead of flipping or snipping. 🖖

[little moon]

that's another way to get the bang for the buck, sniping/flipping is just my way of saying, they already gained if they bought with silv2 then sold with eth with the same price
usually, on purchases, you try to sell the same price you bought, and with fees, you actually lose, but with land sale, you bought with a discount, so after purchase, you already had a gain

[formal zephyr]

whats up guys , how yall doing , anyone has an ideia of much should i price if i were to sell a megacity with 1t3 1t2 2t1 in crimson , i may need to sell for some family issues that require money , any idea of how much would it be worth?

[charred shoal]

don't know. many are expecting a price dropping in the next month and waiting for that

[noble drum]

i had posted these numbers yesterday
#🎮〕illuvium-zero message
but these are just the other megacites for sale and by no means tells you what you can get for yours. it just gives context.
What you can guarantee is that you can get aleast floor price for the plots so that would be about 7Eth. I would think you could get a little extra for it all as a megacity. so maybe 8-10 Eth if you tried to ask around.

[formal zephyr]

thank you a lot , i hope i dont get to need to sell it

[charred shoal]

hope so too. perhaps it makes you rich in the next crypto bullrun 2024 after BTC halving in April : )

[whole stirrup]

wen is that?

[mystic umbra]

He makes a fair point on the land Kieran said himself he didn’t want the land tj be something that just sits there. If they knew they were going to delay the game they should have also delayed the sale

[harsh acorn]

I hope they can spread out the launch of illuvitars, ilv-0 and PB2 there is only so much time in the day lol. My educated guess illuvitars end of July. ILV-0 Beginning of August. PB2 somewhere in between

[stoic vine]

Will be the blueprints unique ?

[agile marlin]

If you invested in a game thats being built quoting an estimated release of '3/4 weeks' after the land sale to be exactly on time you're the only mug here mate. Starfield (Bethesda) was delayed till end of this year then again till first half of 2023. Games are very regularly delayed these days.

[high sleet]

@vapid bough @cyan bone have some pressing blueprints questions if someone is around. They are for a video im working on tonight

Firstly is there a base success rate and how difficult is it. Eg for scanning illuvial and researching blueprint does it begin at about a 50/50 for each step??

Secondly in terms of the different tiers. Can T2's produce faster than T1 or does it just hit max production efficiency faster but once both hit max there's no difference?

Happy for any ballpark figures

[vapid bough]

Hey mate, for these kind of specifics only Johnny or Khaled would be qualified to speak on it.

[high sleet]

Happy for any array of ballpark responses :( just kind of like what's correct in the overall systems? No need for specific numbers. I'm good at making up numbers.

@amber atlas @thorn wren

[worn scaffold]

oO some more god tier content soon? 😉

[high sleet]

This is gonna be next level but I need these answers first unfortunately :( I really don't want to massively misinform on the general systems

[worn scaffold]

Of course, I love your content about Illuvium, keep it up!

[high sleet]

Thanks heaps my friend I really appreciate it

[amber atlas]

**Scanning and Research **

There is nothing locked in at this point, and stuff locked in the alpha will only be temporary, one of the main points of the alpha is to help us balance before the beta, even post beta some things might change

with that said... at a very high level scanning will find stuff quite often, research will not lead to blueprints very often

as you get better at research this will improve, but it is supposed to (very vaguely) reflect real research, you don't just decide to discover a new thing, it is hard work with lots of failures along the way

---

Production Boosts

are your production questions about the production boost? higher tiers produce more Fuel for the same activity, the maxes are not the same

i.e. after everything else is considered, lastly the tier based production boost is applied

---

Delays

regarding delays, yep they suck, but the art team made a call that the art was not to our standards, and that it required a major uplift, this uplift has in turn meant a lot of work for the engineers not just to bring in the art but to make the game perform, a UI rework was required to match the new art as well

in almost all cases Illuvium will err on the side of quality over speed, and it is an approach that the community as a whole seems to agree with (obviously individuals may have differing opinions)

... in return we expect to take some heat, my chin is prepped for a hammering 😉

[hushed elbow]

Im fine with setback for quality

[gilded olive]

Guys how long it takes to send your land to ledger.......i guess it can be done through token trove

[topaz thunder]

Can it work without entering the game land now, where is the tutorial

[high sleet]

Nah this isnt quite what I meant by production boosts, thanks for your response though I appreciate it.

I meant that even though T2 produces approx 3x more than T1. Do they both have a maximum of one blueprint scanning device? Therefore at max level they would both produce blueprints at the exact same rate? Just clarifying this detail

[thin wolf]

I am right there with you getting hammered😀

[fickle forge]

Guys will illuvium zero launch before or after illuvitars?

[rancid mortar]

What's the difference between Illuvium Beta, Illuvium Zero, Illuvium Arena? Also Illuvitars, Land, Illuvidex? Man this is confusing and a lot of info. Trying to get my head around it. Really liked the Land Medium BTW!

[stiff talon]

I did it on token trove to my Keystone Pro and it was instant.

[worn scaffold]

Illuvium beta can be the Arena and open world. In the Arena you will play 'fight for eth' which means you will fight an opponent with your illuvials against the opp.
In the open world you will be harvesting stuff and looking for illuvials, if you find one you can fight the illuvial and try to catch it with a shard.

Illuvium Zero is meant for land owners, land owners will create blueprints for Illuvials and generate fuel. You will need fuel for shards, traveling etc..

Illuvidex is like the Pokedex (pokemon) and the Illuvitars is your character

All this in a nutshell 🙂

[young hill]

Hey Scoriox just wanted to say thank you. I really like watching your videos!

[rancid mortar]

Thanks for that man. That makes much more sense. From what I understood correctly Illuvitars are only available to catch and not buy. But you could buy them after in a secondary market?

[stiff talon]

Illuvitars is just your in game avatar essentially just a portrait, Illuvials are creatures you will come across in the overworld that you can catch and use to battle with like the pokemon universe. You can buy illuvitars on the secondary market if people put them up for sale.

[rancid mortar]

So then free I suppose as anyone will be able to play. But to catch those creatures you have to play in the tiers 1 to 5 and pay something to enter correct? What will be the token payed?

And illuvials are as you said only available to catch or if someone sells in secondary market? No mint will be available right? Only land can be minted. Also the secondary market for Land is already available?

[stiff talon]

Every game mode and everything created will have something free. They will have free tier 0 illuvitars, Illuvium Zero tier 0 land, tier 0 Illuvials in the overworld. Tier 1 to 5 you will need to spend fuel in the form of crypton to travel, Hyperion to cure shards and catch Illuvials and solon to create skins for Rangers, Arenas and 🤖 - to purchase you can use sILV2 and I'm assuming Eth. Fuel will be harvested on land and sold to the DAO and the DAO decides the price based on real world economics at a maximum price of a 25% increase or decrease based on supply and demand.

[stiff talon]

As far as I read tier 0 illuvials won't be minted which is a shame because that could have been cool as like part of the first set collectibles but nothing has been announced yet. But yeah I did read that someone said tier 1-5 will be minted when you catch those Illuvials. There already is a closed tab on the secondary market for Illuvials so you will be able to trade or sell Illuvials. 20000 plots of Tier 1-5 land was already minted and is sold on the secondary market. In future sales more will be minted. Blueprints you scan from land will be able to be minted but hard to come by.

[rancid mortar]

I see. Mate you helping a lot thank you. Say I wanted to play or getting ready to start buying into this project where would I start? Land?

[rancid mortar]

Bloody hell this is complex! Land I know 100k will be minted. Any number for the illuvials? So basically you can mint them for free by finding and catching them?

[stiff talon]

So if you want to be a ranger - be active in the forums, you can then apply for the beta test and experience the game if you get selected. I can't advise you to get land as I am not a financial advisor. I did purchase some plots of land and see the bigger picture. Go onto the official Illuvium website and click exchange and I think the land tab - click go to land sales and then make sure in filters to take out tier 5 land and find the tab that says trade and you can filter different coins and tiers to view different plots of land available to sell.

[stiff talon]

So they building everything on L2 through immutable x so that's the plan, to eliminate gas fees etc. 150 Illuvials are being released in this set I believe but not 100% sure and once a high number of specific Illuvials have been caught they will make catch rates extremely difficult to prevent too many mints of that Illuvial. When set 2 arrives not sure if you will still be able to catch set 1 Illuvials or if it will be very rare.

[rancid mortar]

No worries bro. I understand the financial advise. I'm not looking for it just to understand the project. Been around for some time but this one has many pieces to put together. So a ranger you earn as a role for being active then? This was something I was looking for to see if they had a role channel to understand what each one means but they don't have it. I'm seeing if our crew comes in and we get land so gathering info to present after. It does look very interesting.

[rancid mortar]

Ok I see. I like that. Something I saw wrong with Axie was there was so many around it basically became worthless. So it's good they are keeping this in mind. The no gas is a big 👍 for me. Glad to be see them using IMX! Thank you ever so much for your help my friend! 🙏

[empty path]

Oh wow you guys have been busy here. Thanks for educating @stiff talon

[rancid mortar]

He's the man 👍💪

[stiff talon]

Sorry man just rushing to work! Yeah correct! Fair enough!

[stiff talon]

I think the team really looked at Axie and improved on the issues they had plus this will be a triple AAA game so it's going to be interesting to see the different types of people it can attract such as the gaming community. Sure anytime 🙌

[stiff talon]

Always happy to help the community 💪

[rancid mortar]

Definitely looking that way. Exited to finally see the integration of a AAA with the blockchain benefits! Cannot wait

[oak ruin]

We are going places... hehehehe

[fair temple]

T0s illuvials do get minted and can be sold to others 🙂 Just that they can be minted indefinitely and since the runs don't cost money bots will also be able to dilute the pool of Illuvials. This makes that the entry fee to get into the autobattler without playing the overworld will be very low and that is attractive to new players.

The only reason that T0s would retain sóme value, is if you acquire a Holographic Illuvial, or one with optimal or Absolute trash stats (Some collect the worst stats :))

[gilded olive]

Anyone able to help....i want to transfer my land to ledger........

[fair temple]

then just send it to the immutable wallet that is connected to your ledger-Metamask wallet.

[empty path]

And do not believe anyone sending you a DM, they are trying to scam you.

[gilded olive]

Thnx broo.....never need to open my dms 😆😆.......

[stiff talon]

Ah okay fair, I read something different or maybe perceived it different. But that's great news, that will incentivise the gamers that want to play for free, earn in game currency by selling tier 0 Illuvials and then able to travel and capture tier 1-5 illuvials. Yeah it's the same as Pokemon Go. Gonna be very interesting, I'm excited for the release 👌

[fair temple]

Yeah definitely! But i wouldnt expect a lot of opportunity to go from 0 to hero through grinding. Obviously it is possible to some extent but i think doing paid runs early in the season and investing in the Illuvials' value would get you the significant returns.

Basically you would invest in the project/company through buying illuvials and see their value appreciate as the company becomes bigger 😎

[sage inlet]

We've cleaned up a lot of technical debt and moved to an addressable asset system this week, so the final APK (or even any distributed version) does not come with ALL the art, you can just pull what you need on start-up. Which is nice.

APK would be like 800MB with all regions otherwise.

We're also working on minimizing memory usage. Still some work to go, but there's lots of optimisation possible.

[stiff talon]

So yes for us I agree however for the general gamer, they need that good free experience and then they will start to pay and some are stubborn. I have friends that are massive gamers but massively sceptical about crypto and some may not spend a dime... They are willing to give it a go when it comes out so will be interesting but they have said they would probably grind and sell on the market. They won't make massive returns but they may make something with that strategy.

[sage inlet]

The 'grind' will be minimal.

[oak ruin]

I can't wait to get my 2x2 megacity at shardbluff lab. up and running, on that beautiful illuvium zero art... I got a T4-T3-2T2 2x2 plot. The buildings will look beautiful on the black terrain.... HYPED

https://tenor.com/view/autobattler-rpg-blockchain-gaming-crypto-gaming-cryptocurrency-gif-22429310

[stiff talon]

Well hopefully they like the game and are willing to spend

[empty path]

I got a question in my DM's:

And is there any information if the required time will be divided throughout the day for example every 8 hours to harvest fuel etc? or will it be once every 24 hours?

[sage inlet]

I was up at the Sydney office last week and had a look at the new render-farm setup. It's sick AF.

[stiff talon]

That's sick! I also bought in Shardbluff! Very excited to see the art as well!

[sage inlet]

Everything works in realtime. If you start a thing at 1pm and it take 8 hours then it finishes at 9pm.

[empty path]

Thank you! Keep up the awesome work, really looking forward to it

[oak ruin]

I feel VERY happy to be here, sharing this development/growth experience with the Warwick brothers and the Illuvium team.

[whole stirrup]

Oh wow ramza, you are a whale

[timber sapphire]

What if i travel to a different timezone?

[empty path]

https://tenor.com/view/facepalm-annoyed-stöhn-oh-no-oh-nein-gif-24943313

[void raft]

then you will be stuck in the past, forever!

[timber sapphire]

Noooooo
https://c.tenor.com/N5WAyakQS00AAAAM/fry-futurama.gif

[sage inlet]

We use UTC time, not your timezone Xx

[timber sapphire]

But seriously there are some apps that can be fooled by the device clock but glad you arent as stupid as me

[sage inlet]

We will call a time server for time, not rely on local device time.

Actually, all actions will occur on the server, so unless you can hack the server and change ITs time, yo outta luck 😛

[timber sapphire]

https://c.tenor.com/H15IIZOPbMwAAAAM/hackerman-mr.gif

[little moon]

i think the asker meant if there’s some sort of reset in a single day; in axie for example, 5 energies are only filled after 6 hours; same goes to staking, rewards are only claimable after 24h

[sage inlet]

Regardless, we will not rely on local device time.

I don't know what that means. Time is time.

[timber sapphire]

But time is relative

[sage inlet]

UTC time is not.

[timber sapphire]

https://c.tenor.com/vkpCnKNg7UkAAAAM/mind-blown-amazed.gif

[little moon]

but if I started farming at 8am (server’s time) then finish at 8:30am (30m), will the resources I got reset at 12:00 midnight or at 8:30am the next day?

[sage inlet]

?? Everything will run on UTC time.

[empty path]

It depends when you start the action. If an action takes 8h,it will be ready 8h after you started it

[oak ruin]

Not really, just crazy

[little moon]

yes, that was the question, and yours then was the answer

[sage inlet]

Your actions, regardless of what time it is for you will be registered in UTC time. The duration following - also UTC time. It's really isn't that complicated and is the best way to go about things.

[timber sapphire]

Lets just wait for the game and see it in action🧠

[sage inlet]

I've got one more question left in me then I'm bailing because it's late (not UTC time) - AMA

[oak ruin]

I have a question

[timber sapphire]

https://c.tenor.com/HBr3xjGPM8oAAAAM/when-wen.gif

[empty path]

https://tenor.com/view/illuvium-illuviumio-ilv-yield-farming-gif-22225026

[oak ruin]

Space station building to send resources across the world to our other plots?

[sage inlet]

What an incredible idea!

[little moon]

that’s well understood, but it still begs the question, does the duration of the gameplay affects your reward gained; e.g. if someone plays 30m and the other 8 hours, do they gain the same profit? assuming they have the exact land tier and number of element and fuel sites.

[sage inlet]

That is so possible.

[timber sapphire]

Depends on your own efficiency right?

[fair temple]

#zero point transducer

[sage inlet]

Woah, woah.. No - there is not specific "duration of gameplay"

[timber sapphire]

There is no gameplay atm at all🧠

[empty path]

There is for the team 😉

[sage inlet]

Everything is based on activities.

[little moon]

and here comes the reset thing, do resources have limit per day? per n hours? I think there’s an assumption from the asker of more gameplay == more reward

[fair temple]

will the content be developed at the rate of T2-maximalisation because the free-to-play game is also based around T2 productivity? So then would a T2 never be able to be maximised (unless sped up)?

[empty path]

Just like any city builder, once things are building. There is nothing else you can do but wait

At least that's what I assume

[timber sapphire]

https://c.tenor.com/8lBwt31zKXMAAAAM/i-volunteer-tribute.gif

[little moon]

that’s also what I understood from Kieran, it’s like 30m then it’s done for the day, then it becomes faster once infras are already built

it’s also the reason why t1s will be more time consuming cause they’re at least 30m x tier 1, and t2 and so on reduces these further via production boosts

in any case, that’s just my interpretation, ofc, playing the actual game will definitely give the exact answers

[dire pier]

Can multiple instances be run on a pc so people with way too many lands can multitable?

[mystic umbra]

Wen zero

[sage inlet]

Interesting... I think only a single land can be worked on at any given time, regardless of how many you own - you can only be logged in once, and when logged in you can only access a single land at any given time.

You're not going to need to multi-handle lands at once, it's not super-hands-on.

[ruby salmon]

Quick question. AFAIK you can combine 2+ land parcels to create a mega city? So that can be any tier land parcels? e.g. tier 1 and tier 3 next to each other, or tier 2 and tier 3 next to each other. I'm I right here?

[empty path]

You need 4 plots next to each other to build a megacity. Smallest one is 2x2 or you can also go for 3x3

[sage inlet]

2x2 & 3x3

Cheers, y'all - I'll catch you soon when we've got a bunch more stuff done 🙂

Always happy to tell you what we've been working on & what's coming next

[thin wolf]

Great to see you on here😀

[ruby salmon]

oh, that is a bummer. thx!
I know there is more land coming in the future, wondering if some of those solitary plots will get some neighbours at a point or they are forever excluded from a megacity structure?

[empty path]

There will be more land sales but not any time soon

[ruby salmon]

got that, wondering if land will just populate the empty space that is available now or a totally diffrent map

[empty path]

Same map

[ruby salmon]

thx, appreciate it

[umbral pecan]

Any news for iz?

[empty path]

Once a date is known, it will be posted in #📣〕announcements

[silent creek]

What was the initial value of the T1 in the land sale? Is it still worth buying on the exchange market? compared to the starting price.

[empty path]

Where have you been

[umbral pecan]

@brisk plume i hope

[molten cave]

!wen

[empty path]

https://tenor.com/view/illuvium-illuviumio-ilv-yield-farming-gif-22225026

[silent creek]

Blueprints can only be made from tier 2 land?

[empty path]

You can find them on all tiers

[dim cave]

It's not matter when, if we will wait more time then it will be better, I can wait 😊

[vapid bough]

Who is this guy? Illuvi...Man I feel like I've seen you somewhere before. 👀

[empty path]

Seems Synthetic

[neon light]

With the land sale being 1 month ago and with the original estimate that the Illivum zero alpha will go out 1 month after (so, should have occurred by now), wondering if the team shared any info on this (?) Personally, Im ok with delays. Just wondering if there is any available info.

[sour magnet]

I think it will be delayed by at least 4 weeks and the information will definitely come in the next few days

my assessment

[timber bolt]

I’m selling a T2 plot located in Brightland Steppes for 1.3ETH on the Illuvidex if anyones interested

[placid finch]

Hi guys

I’m looking to pick up a tier 4

Anyone here selling?

[empty path]

There should be some listed on the Illuvidex 😉

[placid finch]

Yes just wanted to know if any owner is on the discord here so I can talk to them

Do we have a dedicated marketplace for land

I mean a channel

[empty path]

#🛒〕land-dex

[placid finch]

I found it

Yes

[reef echo]

You seem pretty sure lol.. What are you basing on this on? Just a wild guess?

[empty path]

https://tenor.com/view/shrug-justin-family-feud-canada-i-dont-know-wild-guess-gif-19095461

[wary notch]

Looking for a taiga boreal at this price

T2 of course

[neon light]

why 4 more weeks ? did the team indicate anything or is this just your own guessing ?

[wary notch]

The latter

[neon light]

The team also followed up on this in the #814313819185741845 channel. The old ETA is invalid (obviously) and the new ETA is unknown.

[sour magnet]

the first country sale was also postponed by a few weeks than planned, maybe that's why everything in development was pushed back. it's just a guess 🙂

I hope I'm wrong

[rancid mortar]

Guys, what are and what purpose does the skins you supposedly earn with land serve?

[floral locust]

The blueprint for the skin is an NFT. With the right reagents you can craft the skin and then sell it as a cosmetic flex for the ranger armor, and mozart

[upbeat mason]

It's a bear market. A delay isn't the worst thing right now.

[solar topaz]

that was yesterday's news... 😉

[rancid mortar]

So it's more of a fashion item then? To personalise your Illuvitar or illuvial?

[solar topaz]

yes exactly.

[rancid mortar]

Awesome. Thanks mate

[solar topaz]

Though not to personalize the Illuvial but the ranger.

[rancid mortar]

The ranger is what? The character you use to play in the open world

[solar topaz]

It may be that they are creating skins for augments, but I do not know much about those. Imagine it as a sort of modifications / armor for Illuvials and those could have skins. But then again, I don't know whether that would look appealing...

[solar topaz]

yes, your main character. Also present in duels as a "free" character

[rancid mortar]

Where can I read about what each fuel and minerals are and do in the lands. I see they are different ones. Not sure what is best to have

[solar topaz]

I expect them to be sort of balanced

[rancid mortar]

I'm watching the YouTube video on the land and they mentioned 3 are very valuable. But you could also upgrade something on the land to be able to covert after.

Wondering what they will be used for. Any medium available to read what each one is used for?

[solar topaz]

have you checked all the pinned posts?

[solar topaz]

Yeah, well... "very valuable" can mean anything. The fuel is used for paid ingame content. So, if you want to catch an Illuvial, you need some sort of fuel. If you want to craft an item for you ranger, you need fuel. All that somehow translates to ETH.
Playing the game will cost you ETH and harvesting the fuel can substitute that. Big question is: how much?

What we know is that fuel production for all lands is supposed to target 5% of the fuel revenue stream.

[floral locust]

Like Olmops said I would check through the pinned comments first, at the end is a technical document (some things may be outdated). You can also check out infoluvial website, they have an illuvium zero section that covers a lot

[rancid mortar]

Ok I see. Yeah that's why I wanted to to know. Cause maybe a certain fuel will make more sense for my strategy. Cannot be to much i guess or news players to the ecosystem will be priced out

[solar topaz]

Do not care about that. You will be forced to sell all your fuel in IZ to "the market" and buy all fuel you need in the main game.

[rancid mortar]

Ok awesome. Will have a run down see what I can find. Finally having a much better understanding of everything. Took a whole day reading and digging but getting there 🙂

[fierce pollen]

hey guys, has anyone transferred their land from one wallet to another? I've heard about token trove, but a bit sceptical using a 3rd party site. TIA

[rancid mortar]

Yeah that I had to noticed

[solar topaz]

Also you will be able to convert fuel types into one another (at a loss)

[woven kestrel]

I made a couple videos on my channel if you want to check them out as well, I cover the fundamentals of fuels/elements and also have another video on blueprints too. But definitely checkout the pinned messages and everything too, as well as infoluvial, all amazing resources for learning more

[woven kestrel]

I have, I used tokentrove

[rancid mortar]

There are many mechanics I still don't know or understand so I'm missing a few pieces of the puzzle. I'm looking at getting land but wanna get my head around everything before making a decision. This is a complex economy

[rancid mortar]

Thanks mate. Will check it out. Been watching the illuvium video so far. Will look into yours 👌

[solar topaz]

Understandable - but much of the information has not been announced/leaked, so it's impossible to be perfectly informed. What's your intention? Buying land?

[fierce pollen]

how long did the transfer take? im just feeling super sceptical about it 😬

[woven kestrel]

Nearly instant, shouldn't take more than a minute or 2, I've used tokentrove a lot and haven't heard anything bad about it personally

[rancid mortar]

Yeah I'm looking to get one tier 1 but trying to figure out what to do. From what I gather you can only get land so wanna grab one from the secondary market

[fierce pollen]

okay thanks mate, will check it out

[solar topaz]

What do you mean "you can only get land"?

[rancid mortar]

That is the only NFT available right now no?

Everything else is not released yet

Apart from their tokens

[solar topaz]

Well. If you are interested in the project in general, there is the ILV token which is sort of a share.
Other than that you are almost correct. There are a few promotional NFTs with no utility ingame.

But why rush now to get any NFT? I mean, are you genuinely interested in the Illuvium Zero mobile game?

[rancid mortar]

Yeah I saw those but have no interest in that. Token I wanna get but gotta choose for now. No liquidity 😬

All my other gaming NFT's are recked but they are long term.

[solar topaz]

I see. Well, I am convinced we are near the end of the tunnel 😄

[rancid mortar]

Yes, if there is utility and I can use that to grow my position. If there is no utility then no. I only get into projects i believe have a long term upside so don't mind waiting it out. That's why I'm doing deep research before any decision

And you been great help thanks

[rancid mortar]

I'm not so convinced. Still got a ways to go imo. But eventually it will turn

[solar topaz]

If you are more interested in sort of an investment, do at least look at the token.

Totally crashed (and could go down further), but that is the thing that is supposed to get the revenues. Land is "just" another form that requires active gaming.

[rancid mortar]

Yeah I have. But the project has to be good and successful and for that I must understand the gaming part of it to see if I think it has a future. So far it seems very interesting with good upside.

[rancid mortar]

100% but I won't mind the gaming too. Some passive income from the NFT with the potencial to sell someday.

[solar topaz]

Optimistic here. Tomorrow we will hear some more about progress of Ethereum development. It will take a bit to convince people, but the next upgrade will bring some political advantages.

[solar topaz]

Just mentioning: there will be a free version of the game where you can play with virtual land that does not generate actual ETH or "real" blueprints.

[rancid mortar]

It the news are good you will have some upside on eth and maybe effect some other tokens but in general I don't think the world economy has bottomed and unfortunately that will bring hell on everything else.

[rancid mortar]

Yeah I saw that too thank you bro.

[solar topaz]

Well, people do not have as much cash flying around. But then again, cryptos ARE following their own rules regarding inflation and there is one major crypto asset that is about to virtually completely drop inflation.

[rancid mortar]

Have you made any transactions with IMX? How cheap was gas? Altho gas now is cheap everywhere but I've never used IMX so wonder how much cheaper fees will be.

[solar topaz]

Anyway, not really the topic for this channel.

[rancid mortar]

True 😬 I'm general I don't worry to much now. I see this as a second opportunity and the boat coming back for me 😎

[solar topaz]

Yes, I did a lot. IMX does not charge any gas fees (=0), but there is a protocol fee that is supposed to go to stakers and a market fee and a royalty fee. So, a certain % of each sale is charged.

[rancid mortar]

Ok I see. But compared to to the actual high fee prices we taking peanuts no?

Have a to set it up and play around with it. Intrigue to see it work. First time I heard about it was from Eliot Trades a while back but never used it

[solar topaz]

I do trade cards for Gods Unchained there and the current fee is 8% total. That seems insane for expensive NFTs, but for these things that cost only a few cents it's A LOT cheaper than gas on mainnet

[rancid mortar]

8% is high!!! Damn!

But for small things yeah I guess not. But still 8% is 8% many small transactions add up 😎👀

I'm in a SOL project and man do I love the fees there 😂 every time I go back to eth I start sweating 😬🙄

[solar topaz]

As I said. Not when you are selling a $0.27 item. Also we'll have to see how Illuvium tackles this. The 8% are structured as follows in my case: 5% royalty for the NFT creator, 2% for the marketplace website (tokentrove) and 1% protocol fee. The protocol fee is I think set, but the other 2 could be set differently by Illuvium.

[rancid mortar]

I missed do many things just because the fees scared me so much I stayed away. Now it's just part of the game. Always try using my morning time frame where gas is always lower

[rancid mortar]

Ahhh ok! But the protocol fee is 1% that's fine. The rest is part of the projects return rate. That I see no problem with. It common to see those numbers

I thought was like 8% for the fees alone! That seemed insanely high

[rancid mortar]

My man! Great chat! Thanks for all your help 🙏 I'll be catching you later! 👊

[solar topaz]

You're welcome.

[fierce pollen]

anyone know whats up with this on token trove? sketching me out lol

[harsh dew]

#981426698333618276

[dry mango]

was this other wallet connected to IMX?

[fierce pollen]

just figured it out, i had to set up an imx key on my ledger for it to work. panic over!

[dry mango]

nice

[elder badge]

Just bought some land what info can I get?

[dry mango]

what info do you want?

[elder badge]

I have a basic idea of how it will work but what benefits to holding land and farming?

[dry mango]

https://medium.com/illuvium/51-land-sale-explained-8cbadfb6a6b5

[elder badge]

Thank you! Can’t wait for Alpha! Blueprints baby!

[placid finch]

Is there really no active sellers for T4 here on discord

[deep brook]

hodlers :0

[obsidian patrol]

lots of land on imx

[placid finch]

Yes but wanted to talk to the owners

I thought atleast some might be here

On discord

I guess they all investors

[waxen vector]

Do you guys know wen we can start to play Illuvium Zero?

[dry mango]

TBA

[waxen vector]

Does building placement matter in the game?

[next juniper]

T4 was probably the best deal during the sale. I surely don’t want to sell it

[dry mango]

as far as said, no

[compact nebula]

!Wenland

[dry mango]

!soon

[nimble lichen]

T4 is going to be a beast

[analog fjord]

T2s are looking nice too, bang for buck-wise

[summer salmon]

When land is traded by tokentrove or similar, porcentage if this transaction goes to ilv stakers??

Revenue??

[dry mango]

yes IMX uses a unified marketplace but the fee on IlluviDEX is lower

[summer salmon]

Wich % per tx goes to stakers?

[dry mango]

the fee that goes to the DAO is 4% and 100% of it goes to the stakers

[summer salmon]

Nice

[deep brook]

I have a tier 1 touching a tier 4, y’all think that will help its value . Was hoping so, for mega city potential if nothing else

??

[dry mango]

it's definitely a plus point

[tardy sail]

What happened to the 5%?

[dry mango]

1% goes to IMX

[tardy sail]

Ahh, got it

[vivid cipher]

5% is regarding what land owners get as fuel. Not the trading revenue.

[tardy sail]

Makes sense. I thought I had read it was 5% to the DAO, my bad

[vivid cipher]

Ah gotcha. No worries

[harsh acorn]

The true stable coin LAND!

[viscid solar]

Seriously we just talking about this in ShinyShards ✨ amazing how bullish in this market

[tardy fern]

https://tenor.com/view/wen-creepz-wenfinity-wenwenwen-creepz-wen-gif-25738654

[harsh acorn]

I cant wait to see what Crystal Shores looks like in ILV-0 Gonna be bonkers!

[waxen vector]

Does it exist protocols wish is allowing land rental?

[glad junco]

This will be a feature later yes. Probably Not for alpha or beta testing

[tardy fern]

This looks amazing

[harsh acorn]

For sure I normally don't like the color pink. Something about Crystal shores though just looks so freakin cool and unique!

[fathom ridge]

have we seen Shardbluff Labrynth ingame for IZ?!

[mystic umbra]

No -_-

They’re teasing me because they know that’s where my lands are. I’m just that important here

[fathom ridge]

Hahahah all 5 of my plots are there! I wanna see! 😭😭

[subtle frost]

is tier 3 land with
Halcyon Sea
Primeval Marsh -
Lake x 3,
Outcrop x 3,
Crystal Deposit x 3,
Crypto Rift x 3,
Hyperion Reservoir x 1,
Solon Trench x 2

• is this setup any good?

[eager holly]

Any tier 3 good

[versed warren]

Is one tier 1 good or is it only worth buying land when buying a bunch together?

[empty path]

I just have a T1 myself

[versed warren]

Is that your only land or do you have others

[empty path]

That is the only plot I have myself

[versed warren]

Where can I find info on what land does, I have a general idea but need to know what a T1 can do compared to other T?

Is there any actual difference or is it just production speed?

[vapid bough]

Medium Article 51 in pinned comments is the most comprehensive official information that has been published. #🎮〕illuvium-zero message

https://tenor.com/view/will-ferrell-i-dont-believe-you-smoking-gif-13523062

[rancid mortar]

Thank you mate. Appreciated 🙏

[noble drum]

One tier 1 is perfectly fine. Any tier is a good tier. Whatever tier u can afford is the correct tier to own. If you can afford a higher tier, Then in my opinion it is better to own the single higher than multiple lowers. So if you have the option of buying one T2 or 3 T1, the T2 will upgrade faster and take less time to manage.

[hybrid thicket]

Do you know when iluvium will be available?

[little moon]

agree to this, most people underestimate the value of time, more don’t always mean better

[noble drum]

And I agree right back at you. The time management aspect is certainly something people need to factor in as part of the equation when deciding what to buy/own. If someone is looking to hold forever and make money off of fuel then they should prob think twice about owning tons of plots (unless you are planning a huge renting strategy). Other people may be looking to flip plots for a profit in the future, In which case having tons of T1/T2 is prob the best best for that strategy. The correct answer will be different for different people and different plans.

[fathom ridge]

That leak was massive!!

I wonder how much longer before alpha launch!

[fossil galleon]

IZ looking very sharp - can’t wait to start alpha building!

[stiff talon]

Finally a leak on Shardbluff Labyrinth 😁

[spring void]

Omg they all look BEAUTIFUL

[harsh dew]

Illuvium Zero here's all 7 Regions with redesigned UI. Which one is your favourite?

[fathom ridge]

Loooks mad!!!

[reef jasper]

https://tenor.com/view/think-smart-gif-22411928

So hard to choose.. good thing I have a plot for every region

[marsh sage]

Loving the artwork. Agree that it’s nice we finally got Shardbluff!

Excited to get in there and start building

[stiff talon]

I'm pretty happy with the look, the UI change is massive too in my opinion. Team is doing a fantastic job! Amped for the Alpha 🙌

[deep brook]

Abyssal Basin fasho 😉

[elder badge]

I have a cul-de-sac location in the Abyssal Basin, what are the odds it was chosen at random.

[ivory badger]

Dam I need to get more land, got to keep my kids busy

[stiff talon]

Does anyone know if we will we be able to see Illuvials running on the land or do you only see the bio data through a scanner?

[dry mango]

you won't be able to see the illuvials, at least not at the beginning

[ivory fjord]

Having more lands.. doesnt it give you more chance at blueprints? As you going to have more of the blueprint scanner buildings

[analog fjord]

You got it! The tier of land will also influence the blueprint rarity chances.

[ivory badger]

I thought teir if land made no difference on getting blueprints

All have same odds

[quaint oyster]

all have same odds but you can upgrade faster

[noble drum]

i agree that you can have more scanners, but you can only scan as fast as you have resources available to pay for the scanning. So its probably a wash, either running scans 4x faster on a single scanner on a T2, or running 4 scans in 4 seperate scanners on 4 T1s

[molten cave]

@versed warren just remember, each land you play itself by what I understood, so 3 T1, you have to play 3 times a day, meanwhile a T2 you can play just one time, and will have 33% boost fuel, but "less" chance to get blueprint

choices

[floral locust]

Hey that's not correct, all tiers have equal chance to scan rare blueprints. the amount of resources you have to scan will be different though

[floral locust]

correct all same odds

[noble drum]

it depends on if you are able to scan constantly or not. if you can have 4 scanners all running 24/7, then yes, your chance of blueprints would be higher than one single scanner running 24/7. But if the cost of scanning is such that you can only scan 30 mins a day on a single T1 because of the resources needed to perform a scan, but you can scan 2hrs a day on t T2 because you have more resources.... then again the number of scanners is irrelevent. what matters is how many scans you can do per day

we will need to see how the cost of a scan works out in order to make that call

[floral locust]

True, however I still feel there is a difference in distinguishing that the tier land does not limit the rarity of blueprint, but instead like you are implying it might be that technically less chances because you are scanning less, but can still find the higher rarity BP

[noble drum]

agreed. (certainly lots to consider)

[floral locust]

Sooo hard to choose one lol. I think my favorite region aesthetically is different then what I prefer for illuvial blueprints

[noble drum]

but how often do we think we will really actually find a blueprint. i would think they would be very very rare to find. getting any blueprint at all will probably seem like winning the lottery regardless of what region it comes from

[ivory badger]

I just want all the blueprints 😀

[thin wolf]

I have 2 T3 2T2 and 6 T1, might be worth getting another T3 for the 6T1?

[wary notch]

LOOK AT THIS BEAUTY 😍

[noble drum]

that would be my strategy. managing those 6 T1s is gonna seem like a waste of time

but with the way pricing is at the moment, selling the T1s for some (very on sale) T2s might be better

[thin wolf]

Yeah that's what iam@thinking, have recruited my oldest son to do some grinding but still a lot of time@to manange

[floral locust]

I have no clue haha but based on Kierans comments in interviews on BP it does seem like it would be pretty rare

[noble drum]

you might even want to sell the whole lot and get a single T4.

If you looking to "flip" some of these lands for a profit down the line, then holding a bunch of low Tiers for easy selling to all future low price buyers is a good idea, but if you are going to hold long term for fuel rev.... I think spending it all on a single high tier is the way to go
NFA 🙂

[wary notch]

Although if looking for blueprints, might still want to go for more lower tiered

[ivory badger]

😵‍💫 sell land I don’t understand these words hehehe

[noble drum]

again, i reitterate my thought process on "scanning time" vs number of scanners/lands

[wary notch]

True, it's just speculation on our part until we know how much it costs to scan vs how much a T1 or T2 gathers

[thin wolf]

I like the idea of having plenty of lands for scanning, but it might change down the line when the fuel economy goes live.

[wary notch]

A theory could be that a T3 will output more resources than it can use to scan, so you would have to use the rest for fuel extraction

[noble drum]

well the ILZ test release will answer alot of these questions about scanning/cost/timeframe/rarity

[thin wolf]

Definitely, and a potential leasing system as well.

[ivory badger]

With being able to possibly transfer resources between lands you could pick the highest teir for scanning

[wary notch]

Pick the lowest to scan highest to produce wouldn't make more sense?

[ivory fjord]

I think there is a strategy here having one T3 and 6 T1s. You start ur scan in your T3 and remaining resource u send over to your T1s to get 6 more scan going so u get 7 scan running instead of 1 or 2 if you had another T3 instead of 6 T1s

[ivory badger]

I was just thinking use them all together but scan on highest tier till all built up

[noble drum]

you are making an assumption that you will be able to build up enough resources for another scan before the previous scan is done. i think it will be the opposite. i think your scan will complete and you are going to still ahve to wait a long time to build up enough resources to start another scan. i dont think you will ever have "extra" rewources to send to another land to start another scan. but purely my speculation

[wary notch]

No way to know this for now

[noble drum]

fun conversation though....

[wary notch]

I am under the the same assumption of being able to use extra resources for higher tiered plots

Personallyi have 5% of my land plots T4, 5%T3, 10 T2, and the rest are just T1

[noble drum]

and you have a team of 20 people to manage those i assume 🙂

[wary notch]

If you are right however I see T1 having the most buy pressure for being the cheapest when the game is out

[ivory fjord]

I do hope thats the case. Lol got 2 T3s and a T2 based on similar assumptions as yours. 😅

[wary notch]

Just 10 of my family, they can go full time tho...

Holding back on getting more people until I know for sure how many I will need

[ivory badger]

I like all the ideas seeing here,

[noble drum]

and again....i think blueprints are going to be very very rare. And that you are going to really want to be spending your time go get fuel so you can sell it for actual $$$. So if people are planning on having all these lands to hunt for blueprints.... you are going to be missing out on fuel and the rev dis that comes along with it.

https://tenor.com/view/choose-wisely-pick-carefully-be-selective-select-wisely-pick-wisely-gif-15030259

[thin wolf]

If we had bidding I would be a lot more active in getting more land..just saying @ruby violet

[paper flame]

I didn't know land produces revdis. Is this a new update?

[ivory badger]

I was luck to get the land I have now, would like more but bank accounts is holding me back

[wary notch]

Totally, not the case for the time before the actual game comes out to sell the fuel to. Everyone will just look for blueprints for now

[noble drum]

"fuel" rev dis. sorry didnt mean to confuse people. its different.

5% of fuel rev goes to land holders

[wary notch]

I am too scared to never get enough people to manage the tho... 😅

[paper flame]

Yes very different than ILV holders Rev dis. I wish we got it all!

[wary notch]

0.5% rev dis for land would we sick tho

😂😂😂

And maybe a little bit of voting power?

[noble drum]

voting power lol. maybe land owners declare independence from ILV like the american colonies did from England. 🙂

no taxation without representation

[wary notch]

😂😂😂😂

[noble drum]

(if aaron keran or grant are listening, i was just kidding)

[wary notch]

I got a bit annoyed at @noble quest saying Illuvitars will be bigger than land tbh

[noble drum]

dont be. its their job to hype the "next thing." land sale is over. now they say "COME LOOK AT THIS NEW THING....EVEN BETTER"

get more hype, get more people, drive up the price of everything

[wary notch]

I know but still, they tend to keep up to their promises

Except for IZ release date... Jk

[noble drum]

would you prefer "hey come check out illuvitars....they kinda suck compared to the land sale you just missed....but hey they are still kinda cool" 🙂

[wary notch]

Much more so, yes please 😂

[floral locust]

Lmao who knows maybe the illuvitar utility will be sought after 👀

[shrewd nova]

Any works IZ beta?

[floral locust]

I'm definitely curious!

[floral locust]

No announced date for release

[ivory badger]

I hope not to soon on release of illuvitars , need more time to collect sILV2

[shrewd nova]

I truly think they should release IZ beta first before illuvitars

I can't justify to myself buying them without ever trying either beta and after spending that much money on land

[wary notch]

To me the gambling aspect they have (you can spend 2.5 eth to get the higher tiered box and randomly get like a T2 illuvitar) is a no-no for participating there

[timber sapphire]

They are changing the iip right?

[shrewd nova]

And no utility so far.

[dire pier]

Dont be middle curve, the gambling aspect is everything

[mystic umbra]

It really is everything

[sharp elk]

In theory there is a good opportunity right now to buy some very cheap sILV2. Illiuvitar prices aren’t going to look that bad with 50% off.

[deep brook]

Honestly same, tho yea I get the bigger and better next thing too. But really? A cosmetic card vs actual land and hosting for resources and illuvials? If it was bigger it should’ve been more thought out and made clear long ago, like before the land sale so people understand their options

[sharp elk]

If you really do want an illuvitar more than a land and can’t afford both, you could just sell your land when the time comes.

[whole stirrup]

So I have three things to say... First, about the new IZ leak:

https://tenor.com/view/oh-wow-michael-scott-the-gif-25268355

Second, regarding the beta timeline...

https://tenor.com/view/when-wen-hbb-heartbreak-bear-bear-gif-23571768

And at last, my POV regarding land strategy. I wouldn't be surprised to see T1 prices get proportionally lower compared to the other tiers once the game launch. As far as I understood, fuel doesn't do anything during beta, so the only real reason to play beta is for the blueprints which you have equal odds of getting with a t1 or 4... SO, I believe having more plots of lower tiers is better only during the beta, and then higher tiers will be more sought after once we can keep the fuel.

I currently hodl 2 T1, just so I have 2x more chances of getting a blueprint. But I will most likely sell them to get 1 T2 when we get close to a game release, and I can't be the only one doing that

[reef jasper]

same, im holding a T1 in each region for max blueprint possibilities then will eventually sell to consolidate into a T2 or T3 for fuel production

[noble drum]

it is my prediction that you will be able to scan 4x faster with a T2 than a T1, just because of amounts of resources and scanning cost

[reef jasper]

yeah im more focused on having the chance of getting more types of blueprints from all regions than more quantity from one region

[wary notch]

Or scanning takes little resources but lots of time. Once fully optimized.

I'm not sure what to think but I do recall Kieran talking of how important it is for the smaller guys that there is no advantage of having a t1 vs t5 regarding blueprints

[fair temple]

I think your odds at a blueprint will be pretty low as T1s will grow véry slowly. Your odds at success for a blueprint goes up with a higher tech lab. As T1s only produce a fraction of the elements a T2 does, you will be held back for a loong time.
Imo, T1s only help out in a megacity as they can quickly be filled up with resources from T3-T4-T5 lands (that produce heaps) for frre. Either that or you pay a bunch of dollars to speed up construction time for those T1s and buy elements.
I wouldnt get my hopes up for a blueprint on them during the beta, though thats just me guessing :)

Not saying that you will not get one but i would be surprised if a T1 was anywhere close to the scanning capabilities as a T2.

4x is a wild guess. Makes no sense if a T1 has to use ALL of its resources in scanning, because then how would you progress 🤷‍♂️ but T1s likely will not be as great as you might expect ^^

[azure sonnet]

Is the Illuvidex land map working for anyone currently?

[wary notch]

No way to know until someone leaks us a thing or two

[wary notch]

No, yesterday I could only see T5

[fair temple]

Yes, go to Filter, click on Tier 5 to deselect it, and press apply.
Then it will stop filtering on ONLY Tier 5.

It is currently auto selected and we dont know why :)

[wary notch]

You guys know if any mods have access to the IZ current beta?

[fair temple]

We dont know

[azure sonnet]

ty!

[wary notch]

We should bribe someone to get us this info 😅😂

[floral locust]

We can create Bribe dao to pool funds!

[reef jasper]

at first, yes T2 and above will be better than T1 as far as scanning speed, but once T1 land if fully built, the advantage is much less, correct?

[noble drum]

there is no reason to think that you will have enough resources to "scan all the time." just like upgrading a building or building a new converter....you are going to need to harvest resources for a long time in order to "save up" in order to perform those things. Same as scanning, you are going to have to "save up" enough resources to start a scan. And because a jT2 produces 4x the resources, you will be able to save up enough resources to do a scan 4x faster

[wary notch]

Let's do it this is killing me 😂😂😂

[floral locust]

Kk we need to come up with a cool PFP first

[wary notch]

What's your price @empty path

[little moon]

plot twist, t2s will be the blueprint minters, not t1s jk

[reef jasper]

forgive my ignorance, what is the amount of blueprints possible to scan, 20,000?

[wary notch]

I recall some number like 10,000 to start, not sure

[fair temple]

There are like 10K potential future blueprints (unconfirmed number) but you can get duplicates.

[noble drum]

but who knows how often one can be found. maybe based on the scanning odds there can only be 5 found per day out of all the lands. TBD

another thing to note (since this entire day has been about blueprints in this channel 🙂 ) is what aaron said about "Tiers of blueprints"

[fair temple]

Yes but I imagine content being added at a same pace to be fun for free to players. And those have a resource production speed as a T2 land. But that is speculation. And for sure if they are both maxed out, a T1 land should be able to scan at a similar pace.
Though I expect a T1 not to max out unless you pay money or supply with extra elements and such :)

[noble drum]

Aaron said that you can get higher Tier blueprints if you have a higher stage scanner. And the higher tier lands will be able to get to that higher stage scanner much faster than low tier lands

[deep granite]

am i correct to assume all illuvials will be leaked when all batches of illuvitars are out?

reveealed*

[wary notch]

He corrected himself there

[noble drum]

#🎮〕illuvium-zero message

[wary notch]

Yeah, so e says there that is not that you'll find higher tiered blueprints, but that you'll be scanning more, just what you said earlier

My confusion now is only how close will a low tier be to the higher one once both are fully upgraded

[noble drum]

what i was trying to point out is that there are 2 things to concider now. 1) spending your resources on scanning 2) spending your resources on upgrading yoru scanner

[wary notch]

Is it 3x the scanning? 4x? Less?

[wary notch]

Yeah

Upgrading is not so important tho, as you only work on that once

[noble drum]

in either case, you need resources. lots of them. and the higher tier leands have 4x 12x more resoruces. so you can do more scanning and more upgrading

[noble drum]

right but you must SAVE UP for it. if you keep spending resources on scanning you wont have any resources to upgrade

[wary notch]

Yeah, you'll have to pass on scanning for a while

I think in my case I'll focus on sending all resources to a few plots to have them fully upgraded a lot faster

So, say concentrate all T4 and T3 resources on a single T4

Instead of taking months it could take few weeks

[noble drum]

yea hopefully in time before they end the BETA 😆

i hope some of these beta blueprints are limited only to the BETA. like you cant ever get them again. they are "BETA-prints". super rare

[wary notch]

And all gets wiped....

[wary notch]

So cool

[wary notch]

What type of land did you go for?

[silent creek]

Wen

[noble drum]

i have a T3 and 2x T2 that ill be playing in the BETA. And honestly im not sure how im gonna find the time to play those every day. Wish i had enough loot for a T4 😦

if anyone wants to make any donations to John McClane..... 🙂

when i wish upon a star its to get a T5 illuvial in a T1 loot box and be able to sell it for a land upgrade.... Not realistic, but its good to have dreams....

[empty path]

?

[wary notch]

We where trying to bribe you, I can't remember what for now... @floral locust?

[empty path]

https://tenor.com/view/kermit-darkside-star-wars-evil-innerme-gif-13048146

[glad junco]

I just got my last T1 - all together I hold 17 - 15t1 and 2t2. I’m hoping once the alpha drops I can sell 10 of the T1s and grab a few t2/t3 or a couple t4s

[noble drum]

honestly man, the way the prices are now, T2 lands are priced way low in comparison to the T1. you may want to concider swapping some ONEs for TWOs now. T1s have one fuel output and cost 0.5 Eth, while T2s have four fuel output and cost 1.3 Eth. You may want to take some value there.

[wary notch]

The bummer is the 7-8% fee

[noble drum]

yea but you are getting 50% back in value

[wary notch]

How come?

[noble drum]

4 T1s produce 4 fuel and are worth 2Eth currently. 1T2 produces 4 fuel and cost 1.3 Eth.

sell 4 T1s, and buy 1T2 and pocked the 0.7 Eth (minus the fee)

(not financial advice 🙂 )

[wary notch]

Although starting prices for T2 was 3x the T1, makes me wonder if T2 really have 4x the value

[floral locust]

Can you clarify on how T2 produces 4 fuel? There's 3 fuel sites correct?

[wary notch]

Or more like 3x

[wary notch]

The boost

[floral locust]

ahh that's right

.33 x 3 for each site

[noble drum]

yea i think T1s are just priced so high because most cant afford the higher tiers. so it drives the price up on the T1 lands. but makes them tasty to sell to upgrade to the cheap T2

[tender belfry]

I thought t2 only has a boost if conntecd to t3-5

[noble drum]

that is to share the landmark boost

T1: 0%
T1: 33%
T2: 100%
T4: 300%
(Correction)
T1: 0%
T2: 33%
T3: 100%
T4: 300%

thats the base tier boost

[tender belfry]

Got it, Thx

[glad junco]

Ohhh I know that t2 are way undervalued! I have a spreadsheet and everything lol.. T1s are over priced compared to all of the other lands.. but there’s a logic there so I’m goin with it. Barrier to entry is lower on T1s so when the game drops there’ll be a rush to grab 1 land just to participate and t1s are gonna lowest entry.. I can see them popping to 1ETH - and that still will be cheap..other lands plots will pop too but it will be marginal.. a T2 will have to rise to 2.6 to double..t3 to 8.8 and so on..plus elements in alpha are more important that fuels because the fuels won’t be kept but what you scan will be. So 3 t1 are 1.5th and give you 9element sites vs t2 which will give you 8elements (6x1.33). and you have 3times sites to scan with T1s vsT2.

Sorry a bit heavy on the math but yeah that’s why T1s are overvalued atm and will continue to be throughout the alpha

[noble drum]

yep, just depends on what your shooting for. If you are going for straight up fuel revenu, then T2s is def the way to go over T1s right now. But if you are loooking to flip some land down the line or want more regions covered, or want more blueprint scanners, then having more T1s may be more your style

but again, i dont think ill ahve time to manage 3 lands. no way in hell ill manage 5-10 (or 17 like you!)

[elder badge]

What do you mean “manage”? Will it be like the sims?

StarCraft style mining?

[noble drum]

yes

you will check in periocially throughout the day every day to harvest and upgrade etc

rumors have floated around of 20-30 mins per land

[elder badge]

Ok so it’s not too intense, gotcha.

[noble drum]

well its def intense if you have 20 lands. good luck finding sleep time

[elder badge]

You can get a bunch of kids to play the game for you for free that way there is no child labor 😆

[glad junco]

Hahahaha nah man I won’t either. I was lucky enough to snipe a few t1s that were part of 2x2 or 3x3 which I’ll keep and manage until offer feature is turned on but the rest I’ve been picking up at floor.. mostly those that are 1/1/1 elements which I expect to increase in value the most when the game drops. If I can flip those and grab a few higher tiers, then great! Because in the long run, you are correct, higher tiers will be better because we’ll be able to keep a small amount of fuel in the beta pre game launch so I’ll be optimizing for that. My goal is to hold 5-10 good plots and wait for the rent feature to drop so I can rent and forget 😂

[noble drum]

i like to see people thinking the long term..... well played.....

are those diamond hands i smell.....

[elder badge]

Too bad I couldn’t see the map of what I was buying, I’m not in any ones way to build a mega city I’m in this like side piece of a bigger pie like a hairy mole. Welp that just mean long term HODL and farm

[glad junco]

https://tenor.com/view/diamond-hands-diamondhands-gif-21620660

[elder badge]

I read somewhere that the land will be tied to everything Illuvium, is there a better explanation to what that is?

[noble drum]

the general statement has been that land produces fuel, and fuel will be needed in "all future illuvium games"

what those future games are, who knows

[elder badge]

But I was under the impression that fuel will be finite

[noble drum]

from grant... #💬〕general message

what do you mean by "finite"

[elder badge]

The fuels to be sourced from the land will there be a limit or will we be able to get as much fuel as long as the game is operating ?

[noble drum]

i dont believe you land ever runs out of fuel.

[woven kestrel]

It doesn't, that wouldn't make sense long term

[elder badge]

Ok just making sure as I read conflicting stuff

[noble drum]

what is more likely is that the "demand" for fuel is more than the current land can produce, in which case they will prob have another land sale

[woven kestrel]

It wouldn't make sense to make fuel finite when it's suppose to be connected to all future illuvium games. When you look at it from that perspective, having a finite resource wouldn't make sense. At some point you just wouldn't be able to play the other games because of lack of fuel

[elder badge]

That was my thoughts as well just wanted clarification. I bought a T2 land with all 3 fuel sources as fuel will be central part of Illuvium.

[woven kestrel]

Just out of curiosity, where did you read that it would be finite? lol Also nice! What region did you buy in?

[solar topaz]

Wait. Something completely different just struck me: how do we lorewise get from a single crashed spaceship to the whole planetscape is littered with industrial facilities? 🤨

[elder badge]

Abyssal Basin, I read it somewhere on Reddit I believe

[nimble lichen]

I'm not sure how connected the lore of Illuvium is to whatever is going on in the ILZ game if at all

[woven kestrel]

Nice! I've got one in Taiga, Halcyon and Crystal Shores 😁

[woven kestrel]

Maybe from all the drones being sent out across the land building them? I'm not sure, just tossin around an idea lol

[elder badge]

Wow nice! I want to get more but have my investments tied up elsewhere

Can’t wait to get some blueprints and HODL them as antiques

[woven kestrel]

I know I wish I had more that I could put towards like a T3 or even T4, but I might have to just wait till next land sale and stock up on sILV2 for now while its cheeeaaaap lol

[elder badge]

True but the token is going to take a while to get anywhere near ATH honestly which is why I opted for the land as it will be more valuable in the long term.

[woven kestrel]

That's why I'm happy with having 3 T2's. Looking long term now, if I can accumulate sILV2 now while it's much cheaper, it might be worth enough later to shoot for maybe a T3 or T4 🙏 lol

[elder badge]

T4 would be optimal but sheesh a car’s worth right now might be 3 times as much or more when the full game is out.

[woven kestrel]

True true lol

[elder badge]

This is correct and also you can earn from staking so it’s win win.

I wonder if any of these esports companies will get the T5 just for the advertisements.

[thorn hinge]

did we hear sthg about the date of the T5 auction?

[woven kestrel]

I don't think anything has been announced on it yet

[harsh dew]

When market is higher lol

If you buy a T5 land now ... what will you do with it about a game ? Nothing... so there no use to rush the sale of the T5.
Investor want yield and there will be no yield until....sometime.

[stiff talon]

It probably would be better to use it to hype up the game as well closer to the launch date...

[harsh dew]

Yeah, timing play a big part in everything! The Momentum is really important.

[heavy viper]

will it be possible to sell fuel in eth or ilv directly ?

[vivid cipher]

Directly to Eth. In a swap pool. Not ILV.

[heavy viper]

thank !

[forest cypress]

So we're a month out....Alpha soon 😉

?

[simple edge]

The IZ leak looks great, interesting it shows T5 land.

[analog fjord]

Misunderstood, appreciate the clarification!

[glad junco]

Yeah the leak said “the wait is always worth it” - I’m taking that as good sign that the drop is imminent

[subtle frost]

maybe there will be a king Kong game and the fuel is to make bananas to feed your king kong LOL

[tardy fern]

if you have kids problem solved

[subtle frost]

Pump it

[sharp elk]

True. Then it's just child slave labor, much erm... better?

[thin wolf]

Ehmm,have fed them,roof over the head,bought ton of play dough that they keep forgetting to put back in the yar and gets ruined.not to mention airport tantrums and store tantrums from age 2-4.the list is pretty long.

They will grind their little butts off in ILZ.

[tulip perch]

Im gonna start reverse engeneering it .....play or go 😉

[viscid solar]

This is incorrect

[thin wolf]

Play for Wifi password😀

[fair temple]

https://tenor.com/view/donald-trump-fake-news-gif-11382583

[empty path]

Please stop spreading false information

[tulip perch]

I created a new When .......we want zero aka WW0

[noble drum]

ah yes, sorry i must have fat fingered on the number pad

T1: 0%
T2: 33%
T3: 100%
T4: 300%

[viscid solar]

Courtesy Infoluvial

Tho typo: second Tier 1 should read “Tier 2”

[fair temple]

I think this was the official Illuvium Infograph 😋

[thin wolf]

Hey @unborn mesa

[shrewd nova]

Wasn't it 4-8 weeks?

[thin wolf]

4-8Weeks Ish weeks ago,so still 4 Weeks to go ish

[formal wadi]

is there a way to transfert a land onto another wallet ?

[empty path]

Those T5 guys will sure have plenty of fun. Thanks for this official post.

[floral locust]

There is a tool on tokentrove

[fair temple]

They can just first bring out the T5 lands and have me play on them. Ill make em bigger and harvest blueprints on them until they are actually sold 🧠 🧠

[fervent thunder]

Checking this discord from time to time until the game has finally launched. So the "wen" question can be answered with approximately 4 weeks?

[fair temple]

No :) there was no official date released.
This was just unofficially stated and should be taken with a grain of salt 👍
Do check back in 4 weeks though, maybe they can make it happen :o
But if we want T5 lands to also be able to play, then we need the auction first and at this point the timing is sub-optimal for that.

[subtle frost]

FAKE News. Hype Train.

[shrewd nova]

I think people who bought land/ilv should be in beta

[spare sleet]

hey guys, still no leaks on when zero?

[summer rain]

No, dont think so.

[mystic umbra]

Has it really only been 4 weeks since the sale. Man I feel like time is weird

[sharp elk]

I expect people who bought land have a high chance of being in the ILV zero beta. Buying ILV obviously isn’t relevant or it would no longer be a closed beta.

[elder badge]

About to sell my other stuff and buy more land!

[tall bear]

having bought land doesn't guarantee a spot in the IZ beta ?

[real solstice]

Wen?

Beta

It s about time

[mystic umbra]

the community grows ever restless

[reef echo]

if you have land you should be able to play the IZ Alpha

[gentle grove]

They better because BP can be found wouldn't be fair if they didn't let all land holders in

[dire pier]

All land holders can play

[simple edge]

After IZ Alpha, (or Beta or whatever it is), does the development done on the plots reset back to zero when the main game finally launches ?

[dry mango]

yes, will be reseted

[hollow shoal]

Alright the land video made me buy another land lol

[ivory fjord]

which one?? 😮

[hollow shoal]

T1 brightland, I have 3 of those now. Just really like it haha

[ivory fjord]

ahh I meant which land video haha

[hollow shoal]

Lol the most recent one showing off each land background and what the game will look like. I saw the Brightland background and it sold me.

[analog fjord]

The graphical facelift looks great!

[hollow shoal]

Absolutely amazing. Although all my T1s may be bare, they will look great haha

[analog fjord]

Same, was digging the Tiaga map too!

[shrewd nova]

Maps look good, I hope the game play is fun

[little moon]

I don’t know which maps are which 😦 someone needs to do a side by side of them lol… I knew some I should say. Can somebody maybe list them in order of the video please and thanks

[glad junco]

Which one was the brighland plot in that video?

[paper lily]

Moving from "General" discussion channel:

Trying to wrap my head around intrinsic value of land in context of other economic mechanisms in the Illuvium ecosystem. Seeking experts' opinions / thoughts.

Edit: TLDR: Given ILV is freely traded (and not land), I feel land is overvalued by c.10 - 15x compared to the ILV token (looking at the DEX land sales quotes vs. ILV token price) (source: Binance)

Looking at land from a purely economic standpoint:

• Lets assume $100m rev dis per trigger from fuel consumption (in steady state of game) [i.e. $100m spent by participants on fuel within the game, price of fuel adjusted to keep 95%/ 5% contribution between DAO supply and land owners selling on swap]
• $95m value supplied by DAO. Rev dis goes to 10m ILV tokens (max supply in steady state), so each ILV token gets $9.5
• $5m value supplied by landowners. Rev dis goes to 0.1m land lots (again, max supply in steady state), so each T3 lot gets $50 (not factoring in T1-T5 distribution weightings; assume linear for now; also assuming lot value distribution spread equally across T1 - T5 compensating for higher efficiency in higher tiers)
• that means each T3 lot (just from an economic returns standpoint) should be valued at c.5x of each ILV token
• based on current market, that means intrinsic value of T3 lot is c. USD 600 based on market price for ILV token (but clearly there's a big disconnect!)
• what am I missing? I hope my analysis is flawed!

Assumptions: ILV tokens dont have any other forms of value (i.e. staking returns / governance / sponsorships / merch sales / etc) or land lots dont have any other forms of value (i.e. blueprints / future games potential etc) for comparability purposes.

@vapid bough - keen to hear your thoughts.

[shrewd nova]

I don't think that's how it works. The rev dis I think is based on what the game makes the fuel that we sell is not part of that equation. The correct way imo is estimate how much money will be spent on fuel and take 5% of that and distribute it on all land owners

[paper lily]

isnt there an automatic balancer through the pool that fuel price can't be above / below by 25% of "stable price" which will influence the DAO releasing / holding back fuel? In the above, I guess am assuming total USD100m of fuel is used.

[little moon]

Mostly blueprints. That and a T3 is 12x as productive as a T1 and more than half the lands are T1 so a T3 would be producing a lot of fuel.

[flat steeple]

Sadly fuel is apart of redivs

[paper lily]

Take your point re. blueprints, and given the chance factor, i kept it out of my analysis. You will note I've kept other value metrics out of ILV as well to make it comparable. Agreed on productivity of T3 being higher, but am also assuming the lower number of T3s in total (vs. T1s) will be optimised to have equivalent supply of fuel - does that make sense or am I confusing? thats why I specifcally note T3 intrinsic value as representative plot because of it being in the middle.

[flat steeple]

You will make more staking than in land fuel, it seems many factors contributing into redivs for staking

[paper lily]

Exactly - so what i felt was either ILV is EXTREMELY undervalued (compared to land) or vice versa. But I literally spent 30 mins thinking about this so I am looking forward to being challenged

[flat steeple]

Looking forward to your results

[paper lily]

Added TLDR on original message...

[wise widget]

Scoriox has a couple of good videos on YouTube about the figures surrounding land and the different tier etc. That'd be worth looking into maybe

[wary notch]

@paper lily added you

[wary notch]

Guys, Land is actually going to be good for all Illuvium games. Is the ILV token going to bring in say rev dis from all future Illuvium games as well?

[dry mango]

yes, for all the games

[wary notch]

This guy might have a point, anyone has any thoughts on this?

[wary notch]

Cool

Thanks

[primal wagon]

I think once Illuvium is making 100m rev dis. ILV will be in closer to 1/5 a T3. Also I think a T3 will always have a slightly inflated price just because of scarcity. I think most here think the current price of ILV is undervalued, but could go lower in the short term.

[simple edge]

Another thing to remember is land is something you can play, develop, and sell resources from. Its an nft you own as part of the world that is Illuvium. Its not just the roi economics that figure into why people would want to own land.

[wary notch]

I agree fun factor has it's own value

[paper lily]

Yes but in the same vein, wouldn't you attribute value related to governance, ease of liquidity, rev dis from future rev streams such as sponsorships / merch sales etc to ILV? My analysis was very crude, only looking from an investment standpoint of guaranteed returns (i.e. excluding blueprint chances). Agree on fun factor!

[wise widget]

Buy both, easy solution 👍♊🎉

Hit that 1of1 rhamphyre blueprint and you're looking at crazy big roi.

One can dream.... 🙏

[primal wagon]

I think it's the more risky investment. But has a lot of fun factor built in

[simple edge]

For me the value is I love the idea of owning virtual real estate in game worlds. Will I make money down the road or will it be worth less than what I paid ? at these values thats not a big deal to me, I look forward to the gaming aspects it brings.

[primal wagon]

You'll be getting blueprints at a good clip and getting to scratch that lottery ticket. with ILV don't get that 🙂

[simple edge]

One thing I will say with virtual land in any game, its artificial scarcity, unlike real world real estate. You are trusting the game dev's that there will only be X number of parcels. Obviously if values went thru the roof they could just program up some more and make bank.

[paper lily]

same goes with token supply - 10m is capped now, but with an IIP that can change in the future / or future burning mechanisms....its all fun and games 🙂

[primal wagon]

Also land has been flat as far as value for a month. While ILV is getting hammered by unlocks and is correlated with what ETH does.

[paper lily]

yes agreed - its a point in time analysis. either we see ILV jump 10 - 15x or land falls 10 - 15x in secondary markets (excluding the value attribution of all other things which I noted above)...or meet somewhere in the middle

[primal wagon]

my guess is ILV is going to jump when game comes out and land could fall just a bit when ROI is discovered. So meet in the middle 🙂

[simple edge]

It will be interesting to see how land values react in the nft games that feature land plots as the games themselves go live. I think its going to depend alot on the adoption of the specific game, and how much land ownership affects that game.

[mystic umbra]

I think it’ll be pretty hard to determine ROI before the overworld is out, if Illuvium explodes on launch, If the player base starts increasing exponentially then ROI on land becomes much quicker, or if Illuvium starts off by crawling and then begins to walk then we’ll a more steady ROI until the inevitable mass adoption

[glacial frigate]

brightland is my favourite, dont know why so undervalued... the soundtrack is sick, the landscapes are sick...love it

[bleak raven]

wen zero!!!!!!!!

[lost drift]

You forgot that everything can be changed by the devs, and they win nothing by making land useless and ilv super valuable, things will be balanced by them, dont worry

[agile marlin]

Any eta on zero playability yet bros?

Was about 3/4 weeks ish from sale wasn’t it?

[lost drift]

probably 4 weeks

[agile marlin]

Nice 👍

[lost drift]

from now

[agile marlin]

Ty

[lost drift]

it was 4-8 weeks ish from sale

[fickle owl]

ILV + ENS = 🦾😜

[agile marlin]

Can’t wait! Have they mentioned if we get to ‘keep’ progress/farmed mats before game launches ?

[empty path]

No, it gets wiped at launch. You can keep blueprints

[agile marlin]

Ah fair one. That’s cool about the prints though. Nice balance to keeping it fair

Would the base be reset also Fraggy? All progress wiped?

Assume so

So base/upgrades/mats reset

[paper lily]

No I didn't forget. Speculating on potential changes to any mechanism (whether land or ILV) is not relevant to existing pricing which is based on current structures and economic model. You missed my point which related to current overpricing on land in the secondary market relative to ILV.

[lost drift]

It is going to be artificially balanced if needed

[paper lily]

What do you mean "artificially balanced"?

[lost drift]

Nothing inside the ecosystem will be super valuable and nothing will have low to no value

Except rare NFTs and that kind of stuff

[ocean haven]

ilv big inflation, land non

[lost drift]

Nothing about this project is set on stone forever, the devs stated this already, they want a game to be played and enjoyed not an economic experiment

[paper lily]

I think I explained on a fully diluted basis (both ILV and land lots)...

[lost drift]

If you want my opinion on this, buy land

[ocean haven]

oh ok, just dont think ilv is undervalued in anyy sense

[lost drift]

Not because of devs, or rules

But because tokens are everywhere, and only a few metaverses have good valuable land

Good valuable land is a very scarce product on crypto

DAO tokens, not really

You might see higher price explosions on lands than on ILV, IMO

[paper lily]

You still miss my point - which was on a strictly econonic point of view (what you are guaranteed to get for $s you put in) - which doesnt consider the fun factor etc etc. NOT FINANCIAL ADVICE.

[ocean haven]

yyour are guuaranteed 0$:)

[lost drift]

You are guaranteed to get money from lands, they produce fuel indefinitely

Fuel will be essencial for the game indefinitely too

[paper lily]

Thanks for your opinion - clearly DYOR

[lost drift]

I am giving financial advice btw

I think land is better, this is my advice

[paper lily]

Power to you :)

[lost drift]

Land is also way less liquid, so downturns are cushioned, while you keep receiving money from it

TL;DR I love land, DYOR

[tulip perch]

Ok I put this discussion to bed ...I told my finacial advisor we have a bet my crypto potfolio against your managment of my money .......his answer " im not betteing against crypto......roflmao

[solar topaz]

Risk-wise that is not unwise. Even if you are not into crypto because of volatility, you should not bet against it, because you would suffer from the same volatility.

[shrewd nova]

Fuel that the DAO sell not the fuel land owners sell

[shrewd nova]

Ahh yes

That's my point so I don't think his logic was correct

[flat steeple]

He mentions it excludes that of landowners. So they get 100% of DAO’s 95%

[little moon]

wait a second, I'm quite confused now:

• ilv stakers gets 100% of revenue (which is 95% (or 100% - 5% from fuel sales)) from illuvium sales
• land owners gets 100% of revenue (which is 5% (or 100% - 95% from illuvium sales)) from fuel sales

or am I missing something or completely incorrect?

[flat steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/hmm-thinking-adding-up-calculating-cute-gif-14475367

[flat steeple]

Seems about right from the way I understand it as well

[woeful narwhal]

Land owners get 5% of fuel sales since they supply 5% of fuels.

DAO will supply the other 95% of fuels. Stakers get 100% of all revenues (95% of fuel sales, royalties, etc)

[little moon]

this feels to me that we bought very expensive lands just to get 5% of its "generated" value (which is divided from ALL the land owners producing fuel),
yet we have this DAO that "automatically" generates 95% of the fuel with no effort or whatsoever then they get 95% of fuel sales simply because they're DAO

[north lily]

I think there's a mis-understanding, land produces 100% of fuel, land owners sell that fuel to the DAO for 5% of its value, the DAO then sells it to players for 100% of its value

[flat steeple]

The plus side to land is the ability to play Illuvium Zero and scan for BP(risky since not everyone will get one). If that’s your thing go for it. I own 1 land from the land sell but here on out I’m just going to stake when I can

[paper lily]

No dont think so. Landowners sell fuel at price x on swap (whatever they generate). DAO regulates supply of fuel to the market to keep the contribution 95% / 5%. If landowners sell a lot, DAO releases a lot more fuel to maintain the ratio. Price adjusts accordingly. DAO's 95% sale is rev dist'd 100% to ILV token holders

[paper lily]

Waitaminit - you're not allowed to be rational in your response! You should be like @lost drift and be like "land is more valuable cos I like land" :)

[flat steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/you-missed-the-point-stick-animation-pun-gif-8425073

[lost drift]

Actually land is more valuable cus I bought an expensive T4, it is in my interest to create fomo on land and not ilv

It is financial advice and I have financial interest in this

[flat steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/seriously-gif-23861497

[paper lily]

Yes but misguiding others for your own interest? Unless you have a more tangible explanation or find holes in my argument, I can understand that.

[lost drift]

The hole was already found, this is not bitcoin and everything can change, so if you, supposedly, found an advantage of investing in ilv rather than land, actually you didnt, cus it will be fixed

[thin wolf]

Scoriox did this video before the landsale,based on Min Revenue and Max revenue scenariors. obiousley we dont know alot of these numbers but it is a good thought experiment.

https://youtu.be/QuQQbJXj9MA

[paper lily]

Funny you say that - do you know how smartcontracts work? Do you know that the council cannot change the economic mechanisms of these assets post mint, otherwise they would give preferential treatment?

[lost drift]

They can change anything they want, sorry to inform you

You have to trust these people buddy, I put 14 ETH on this because I trust them enough

Thats it

You cannot run a game on the blockchain, it would cost billions, you can only store information. You cant even store big images on the blockchain. I think you are lacking this understanding

[flat steeple]

Pretty sure they would have worked out the math on how all this was conducted and still passed it as is. Feels highly unlikely that they will change this bud

https://tenor.com/view/theres-a-small-chance-mandjtv-its-possible-you-never-know-theres-a-slight-chance-gif-19171885

[lost drift]

I didnt say they will change, I said they can

[thin wolf]

this pictures seems to say that Landowmners get 5% of all revenue and revenue from selling our fuel.

[lost drift]

Everything can change cus you cant store everything on the blockchain, its as simple as that

Everything outside the blockchain can be changed

[flat steeple]

That’s just revenue from selling fuel to the DAO

[paper lily]

Honest question - how long have you been in crypto projects?

[thin wolf]

@vapid bough care to expand on the 5% for land owners?

[lost drift]

This is not personal, I’m not engaging on this kind of conversation

If they want taiga boreal to be full of fire, instead of ice, they can

[little moon]

am I correct that the "DAO Vault" BUYS the fuel from "Land Owners" and then SELLS it to "Illuvium Players"
I think that is more clear, instead of saying the DAO gets 95% and land owners gets 5%

[lost drift]

Its not on the blockchain

[little moon]

and then from that DAO Vault, all of its revenue goes to ILV stakers

[thin wolf]

No my understanding is that there will be a balance pool with eth and the 3 fuels

[paper lily]

Yes thats my understanding as well. The 5% in the infograph is representative of that value i.e. what the landowners sell in the balancer pool

[little moon]

then 95% is autogenerated by the DAO and when playerbase buys these fuels, they get 95% revenue out of thin air, ... that's not sooo good if it's the case ...

[vapid bough]

Approximately 5% of revenue from all current and future Illuvium games goes to landholders, because each time they sell Fuel, the DAO also sells 19x that value.

The balancer pool mechanisms are designed to meet Fuel supply and demand. The DAO always supplies 19x player Fuel to achieve the 5% rate. Pricing rails keep the Fuel price fluctuations between +/-25% (i.e. A Fuel with 1 ETH base price - it could range between 0.75 - 1.25 ETH. This pricing is used for illustrative purposes only).

Fuel cannot be transferred to another wallet because it is only turned into an ERC-20 token when swapped in the Balancer Pool for ETH. However, we may implement a way to do this in the future.

Landowners play their T1-5 Land in the Illuvium: Zero game to build up their Land and produce fuel; They can trade their Fuel to this pool at anytime for their share of the ETH earnings
(note this is also in 📌 )

[lost drift]

TL;DR land good

[paper lily]

Lol

[paper lily]

Lucius - thanks for the clarification. I have a post above which wouldn't mind your feedback on whether the numbers make sense. Am trying to ascertain the relative value of ILV vs. Land

[shrewd nova]

Regardless of all this discussion I know I'm not spending anymore cash on illuvium until I get to play either Betas or get rev dis. So far I've only spent money and saw nothing in return

[flat steeple]

We have arena though @shrewd nova

https://tenor.com/view/borat-borat-very-nice-verynice-thumbs-up-gif-25080066

[little moon]

but still, you generate 19x from from each 1x fuel generated by land owners out of thin air, yet you get 95% of that sale, and we get 5%;
"the DAO also sells 19x of that value" out of where? then gets that 19x revenue to where?

[flat steeple]

So is it 5% split between all 20,000 land owners?

[woeful narwhal]

That 19x revenue goes to stakers

[shrewd nova]

Yes

[paper lily]

In steady state, across 100k plots of land. The 19x goes to ILV 10m tokens fully diluted.

[opal thistle]

Yes, but that depends on how much you produce and want to sell at any given time

[flat steeple]

So power play is stake ILV..got it

Load up while it’s on the low low

[little moon]

correct, so we play land to produce fuels (1x), the dao generates 19x at the same time, they sell, we get 5%, they get 95%
tldr for me is:

• we buy land, play land, generate fuel (1x), sell fuel, get 5% from the sale
• vs. someone bought ilv, they stake, they autogenerate fuel (19x), sell fuel, they get 95% from our sale

[opal thistle]

It's a bit old but most still holds 👇
#🎮〕illuvium-zero message

[vapid bough]

100% of revenue generated by the DAO goes to ILV stakers

[vapid bough]

Since the economy is not established and balancing changes have not been made, it's impossible to do any real evaluation of land earnings, aside from speculative guesses.

[woeful narwhal]

Correct. But that 95% fuel sales will be distributed between 10M token vs 5% between maximum 100k land. I don't know which will be better so I got both 😆

[paper lily]

I can probably amswer that for you - should I?

[paper lily]

Fair enough thanks for the inputs

[flat steeple]

Please

https://tenor.com/view/quickmaths-bigshaq-mansnothot-comedy-gif-12235541

[little moon]

it's like we get the fees and the DAO gets the profit 🙃

[woeful narwhal]

You should. I'd like to know

[paper lily]

I will put a couple of screenshots here - never mind I cant. Will type it out

[woeful narwhal]

We will have to see how its works. DAO can change the % if required

[paper lily]

Let's suppose we get 300,000,000 on fuel revenue
First year, don't know how it will look but let's asume that
95% will go to the actual rev dis to ILV stakers
5% will go to land holders
That would be $285,000,000 for ILV stakers
And $15,000,000 for land holders
We good with that info atm?

So now let's get say you could buy the whole thing to get that revenue
Either all ILV or all land
Total market cap of ILV would now be $1 Bn
So your cost for getting that 285 M would be that 1B (fully diluted supply of 10m tokens x USD 100 per token)
That is almost 4 years of ROI
If you do the same for land you could use the total land sale revenue as the initial cost
That is 72M
You'd get an ROI of 4.8 years (this is what the YT vids refer to).
However, Important to note -> This is Not diluted on all 100k plots
Only 20K

to buy 10m ILV - you'll spend $10,00,000,000 (assume USD 100 per token)
to buy all 100k land plots - you'll spend $400,000,000 (assumed USD 72m raised for first sale x5, they sold 19,969 plots +T5 sale proceeds which they haven't done yet)

Yield on ILV: 285m / 1000m = 29%
Yield on land: 15m / 400m = 4%

TLDR: Based on current ILV token price, median land plot of T3 currently on dex is grossly overpriced by 10 - 15x. A T3 plot should be sold for 5-6x the value of a single ILV token

Also, thanks to @wary notch for the discourse.
Original post: #🎮〕illuvium-zero message

[little moon]

welp, to me, if I sell something and get 5% and then the platform gets 95%, would I sell on that platform?

[woeful narwhal]

I have to say that was logical. I always thought the lands is a bit expensive. Probably because people able to use sILV2.

[flat steeple]

Big brain 🧠

[woeful narwhal]

I don't know what to say. I have to see how it plays out first

[little moon]

same, I want to give the benefit of the doubt to whoever thought of this cause I really like Illuviums tokenomics in general (EXCEPT FUEL REVENUE)
usually, projects have fees for each transactions in the ecosystem, and those fees goes to the treasury, and THAT treasury is owned/distributed by/to the stakers
but with Illuvium's Land, it seems we get the crumbs from all that money AND effort we put on to generate fuels, and the DAO/stakers gets the bread

but in any case, looking forward on alpha

[flat steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-pablo-lonely-alone-gif-12928789

[paper lily]

Waiting for?

[flat steeple]

Just bored and waiting for something to happen in chat is all 😅

[paper lily]

Haha I dunno man where people went after my maths discourse...

[flat steeple]

Good stuff though man, it out a lot of stuff into perspective when it comes to getting more for your buck. Really appreciate it

[ocean haven]

yyou talking about the speculations and assumptions?