🎮〕illuvium-zero

[hushed dagger]

also am dealing with a land that reset itself after i had reached biodata building lvl2 (no idea how it was reset without my knowledge) so i am struggling to get back to that point.

[plucky venture]

Reads patch notes
I ... I don't hate this.
What is this feeling?
I don't hate this!!!

[mortal bough]

Used to be 600 per 24hours which actually made #$%#&$% sense.

You know for a 1500-2000 dollar T2 land

[leaden egret]

Hi everyone, let me explain.

After thinking it over a bit, I believe that Illuvium Zero does not deliver enough fuel. Let me explain…

Initially, the lands were sold to us either to resell fuel for an interesting ROI (which I strongly doubt in the current state of things), but also and especially to be able to directly fund our gameplay. And that’s where the problem lies!

Indeed, let’s take the example of a Tier 3 land, which is on the higher end of the initial investment, which is quite significant for someone who just wants to play. With a total of 6 fuel extractors available on this land, we end up with the extractors at their maximum capacity, generating 450 units per day. That’s just enough for one Tier 2 game (not even Tier 3), and I do mean only one… per day.

It’s a bit expensive for so little gameplay, right?

Not to mention that if you use those 450 units, you can't upgrade your structures on your land at the same time, since you’re using all of the available resources.

In short, I really think this needs to be rethought.

[plucky venture]

When you say "resources," here ... you mean "fuel," right?

(Because "resources" technically refers to carbon, crystal, and hydrogen ...)

[noble crag]

so T2 owners are able to have 3-4 runs per month in OW stage 3, that's a joke..

[leaden egret]

Yes sorry

[mortal bough]

Yeah, the need to make it worthwhile to own the land, I did not buy it to prospect for blueprints. I bought for the fuel supply!

They need to lower the cost of the trips in OW by 4x or increase my supply back to what it was before the nerf.

[plucky venture]

Unpopular opinion, but ...

I bought it to prospect Illuvials. That was to be the centerpiece of the game (allegedly). There is a lot of room to grow in this direction: Arena needs to really get Gauntlet and Leviathan modes humming. There need to be more modes where we are fighting based on our own collection of Illuvials.

As such, I didn't expect to be able to collect every Illuvial in the first week. So ... how many S3 runs do you need to have every day? I think assuming that we would be able to do S3 runs every day is a bit too much. And I'm saying this as a person with an auction-bid T3 and a recently bought T4. I don't need to make an S3 run every day. I won't have the shards for it, for one thing.

I expect to make runs at S1, S2, and S3 in sort of differing frequencies. For XP, why would I pay so much fuel for just training up Illuvials? If I'm low on shards, I can do that, gather resources, and pick a few fights to get a few my S1 and S2's up to fusion levels.

I'm just curious what your expectations really are, here.

I guess if I was doing turn-and-burn on the illuvials (as opposed to collecting them), then I would want more fuel. Every T5 I get would go straight to the marketplace, and then I'd really be building that "play to earn" income, here. But ... that hasn't been my focus, so I'm just wondering.

[next pebble]

Hey all - Anyone know when we'll be able to mint the blueprints we've been collecting?

[leaden egret]

We should buy PlayStation 5 lol

[mortal bough]

My expectation is to not get rug pulled as the little guy retail investor. Nerfing the lands fuel production 4X is a rugpull, they can call it a patch to fix the economy, which it did not do. What it did do is devalue my assest artificially by 4X. RUGPULL!

[plucky venture]

Like I said ... I'm sure this is unpopular. But "reasonable" is really, really subjective. In the "big picture," is it "reasonable" to have more than 4 S3 runs/season for a T2 land holder? TBH, I'm not sure.

I understand that is 1/4 of the previous expectation. I would love for my fuel to be 4x again. I'm not going to stop that from happening if it is on the table, believe me.

But ...

Maybe I'm just delerious to be able transfer my own f***ing fuel. 😅

[swift gull]

Stabilizing the economy to match supply and demand is not a rugpull. Would you rather sell 1000 solon for 1 or 250 solon for .25c? Doesn't matter. If no one wants the fuel, and there is a billion on the market, you make nothing anyways.

How the fuck do people have enough money to buy crypto land and have not even the slighest understanding of supply and demand?

And then the market floods with illuvials, no one buys them, they tank to under a dollar each, everyone cries more. Where does it end if they don't stabilize until more people want to pay to play?

[vocal pasture]

There is my unpopular suggestion that illuvials are far too common, and should be a lot rarer

Like “wow pq there’s a t5 there….i must catch it!” and not “another t5 let me check if it has near perfect stats so that I bother to catch it”

[mortal bough]

They didnt stabilize anything, do you know who sells most of the fuel?

Free market value is the only way. The gameplay needs to create the demand and attract more players, not decrease my supply to try to offset there over confidence in what they built to create the demand.

Your assumption about another persons knowledge level speaks for your own.

[open stratus]

Reading the word fuel 50 times in like a minute makes it look really strange

Sick update though in general

And our passive generation went up a tad too which is always welcome

Can we please fix this though holy crap

[mortal bough]

Yes it is welcomed, but the reality is we got back a teeny tiny bit of what was stolen from us with the patch.

[open stratus]

Anything is better than nothing with the current environment.

And the fact we can use our own fuel is absolutely banger

Just please please please fix that background I'm gonna throw up

[fierce pollen]

FFS I just spent an hour building power stations all over my plot just for it to not save at all!? 😤

[winter python]

I’m still building my tier 2 lands haven’t even thought about selling fuel, so my question is everyone has upgraded plots already and how? I think my highest is a level 8, and that’s without scanners and the extras just fuel dredges and recourse

Second if I do sell fuel to play in the overworld is it 1-1 conversion or do they double like when you buy fuel on the marketplace

[gritty wave]

think the bps will be worth more than fuel

[inland shore]

Game keeps logging me out in Epic game store

[mortal bough]

Highest Nexus is level 9

[winter python]

I’m almost there lol nice job

[mortal bough]

Thanks

Yep

Had to offset it with some green lol

[prime raven]

@whole spear @verbal igloo i'm still stuck on loading plot issue, even after the update, almost a week already, is there any solution for this ?

[slim ice]

Is there a limit to the number of scanners I can build? It wont let me build another scanner, and I have more than double the resources needed so it's not a rounding problem

[radiant sky]

5 scanners is max.

[slim ice]

omg, ok thx

[radiant sky]

there were leaks, but the graphics were worse, got an overhaul.

[whole spear]

Have you updated the game?

[slim ice]

We could see them before buying/minting them but you had to be quick

[slim ice]

I think he is talking about the terrain and ressources disposition

[mortal bough]

Can someone explain why the blueprints are going to be of significant value?

[radiant sky]

seems to be many people with loading plot issue.
And those who weren't able to load plot who not built too many paths seem to still have that bug after patch.

[prime raven]

yes, both on Epic and Playstore

[whole spear]

Well currently the warning “you’re not on the latest version” isn’t working so there is a possibility some haven’t updated

[whole spear]

Ok yeah not saying it’s the case for everyone but just a possibility

[radiant sky]

ah, it was a dutch auction and the site distribution was unknown and got randomly distributed after the land got minted, to create some rng fun.
The tier stats like bonus production, how many element/fuel sites etc. were known.

[prime raven]

will there be another patch to fix this ?

[radiant sky]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-i-know-that-feel-bro-pikachu-gif-15485156

[radiant sky]

afaik team is aware and investigating more news to come.

[prime raven]

ok thanks, hope there's a solution for it soon

i got that loading plot issue since before the update, already almost a week

i saw some others also got that issue

no i'm not, just have very few paths

still many empty space

no, i got high-end PC specs 🙂 , and it's happened on all devices including on mobile too

yeah, i'm sure it's not a client-issue

[whole spear]

Can you dm you’re plot id and information, also make a bug report and send me that ticket information , also there is a workaround someone found for this in the meantime as I imagine if this is a new bug make take more time to fix

Oh it’s not the path issue

[prime raven]

ok sec

[sleek rose]

What's with the upside down blurry background image?

[whole spear]

We haven’t given up on anything to my knowledge

[prime raven]

can't send a message, already sent a friend request

[lyric lodge]

@whole spear can I ask why the team decided to make it that you would need to many power factories to max fuel ? It makes polts look really ugly. Don't you think?

OK how much is that currently in dollars ? Thanks

[noble willow]

Can someone please confirm to me what happens with the bug where your converters suddenly all look full?
If you click collect, does it actually collect whatever it is up to at that point in time, and potentially waste the partial time spent?
I was waiting to have a couple finish, they were within an hour or so, but now won't be able to tell when they actually finish

call me suspicous, and thanks if the help was genuine, but a random link in a DM isn't something I'm gonna click 🙂

[next pebble]

Anyone know when we will be able to mint blueprints we've collected??

is there a timeline I'm missing?

[inland shore]

I keep getting this every 5-10 mins

Playing thru Epic

no thanks

[radiant sky]

there's a video pinned in this chat

[little moon]

click on the top right corner where it shows how much fuel you have

in the pop up, there is a button which says transfer fuel

[radiant sky]

please report it ingame if you think you discovered a bug 🙂

[radiant sky]

not date announced for when the minting feature goes live.
But it's not timegated as soon as it is live it stays live 🙂

[steep perch]

any solution/fix to the problem land not saving progress? Other than not update device?

[radiant sky]

I'm assuming you are online with a stable internet connection via ethernet and not Wlan.
Would be nice if you report it ingame.

Me personally, it helped when i restarted the game when it occured (might have been a coincidence it worked 😄 ), happened like twice or 3 times yet.

[inland shore]

yes stable ethernet 1G

[radiant sky]

not yet.
Make sure to report it ingame

[inland shore]

just started occuring after the recent update

[steep perch]

I tried to report, but if I send the report the game freezes/crash

[radiant sky]

what a flex, ser

[steep perch]

After 3 times I give up

Don't know if the report/ticket was open or not

[radiant sky]

i'm not a dev, but there seems to be some back end issues.

• Plots sometimes couple of minutes to load or don't load at all.
• roll backs
• network error occured
• forced plot reload when harvesting too fast when activity is done.

i guess team is aware and investigating to solve those issues as soon as possible.

[radiant sky]

you can also open a ticket via #❓❓〕support

[noble willow]

thank, I know there was talk about this last night just after the patch went live, I was just looking for what I should do right now, so I don't waste the time my converters have used without reaching either the 50% or 100% production period.

[steep perch]

I will try that. Thanks!

[inland shore]

yeah it's happening when I am moving around power stations often

[radiant sky]

yea, no news yet after that talk about it with theodor

[noble willow]

ok, so take a punt on losing a portion lol...........
For those who were talking last night, is it a continuous thing, or was it once off? I've only got it on one plot so far, so can still work the other one normally

[radiant sky]

it's a weird thing.
i had it happen after all kind of actions, but again a restart fixed it.
occured 2 or 3 times yet but not since a long time.

[radiant sky]

https://tenor.com/view/dont-know-idk-dunno-no-idea-no-clue-gif-22858277

[plucky venture]

Are you orbiting a supermassive black hole?

[mortal bough]

I look over my assets the same way, I check my house for potentially small issues before they turn into bigger issues. This is a problem, probably should raise awareness in the community that is also invested as I am.

[inland shore]

They live in their own time continuum

[plucky venture]

Still better than Windows file copy progress ...

But yeah, that's kind of the lowest bar. Could be better.

[inland shore]

This latest update needs some work for sure

[tall night]

Oh no this can’t be SPED up. Haha

[noble willow]

ok so I tried to collect on a level 1 collider so I wasn't going to cry too much about the wasted time if it went wrong. Closed the game, loaded, it's back to showing full with 4 available and the timer set to finished, so I don't know whether it reset the actual timer and there was nothing to collect when I hit the button, or it did nothing on the back end at all..................and yes I've tried to raise a ticket, but that just hangs........has someone raised a ticket for that lol

[mortal bough]

So now I am recording starting at 1 hour and 43 minutes a Singularity scanner process, interested to see how off this is on a larger scale.

[noble willow]

https://tenor.com/view/84-years-titanic-old-ancient-gif-5071803

[mortal bough]

LMAO

The devil is in the details...

[noble willow]

I was told the devil was inside me and I needed serious help

[silver plover]

Well crap, did a bunch a moving stuff but now my fuel extracter claims it is going but not counting down

[noble willow]

It

is lack of power, 99% sure

but on patch day who knows

[mortal bough]

After nine minutes, it is 1 minute behind

[silver plover]

Just put a level like 5 power by it so let’s see…it claimed it was powered before and I tried the move and move back to no avail

[mortal bough]

So a 24-hour process, will actually take 26 hours and 20 minutes. Thats money folks!!

[quartz salmon]

Love the new Transfer Fuel option!

[silver plover]

Anytime I’ve set an alarm in the past the timer was spot on, are you saying this is a new thing?

[mortal bough]

Never checked it previously, noticed it was taking longer then I expected so I decieded to check it

progress so far on the 1hr 43 minute timer

[fallow lily]

Anyone noticing increase lag when playing the game?

[versed vault]

is there a bug report section, trying to post a screenshot of infinite resource glitch

[manic ginkgo]

so, landowners got nerfed again!

[versed warren]

Whoever know please answer; when transfering land from one wallet to another (not linked) what is lost and what is kept?

[fallow lily]

I believe this the link: https://discord.com/channels/760344898200666112/1020759212172775464

[versed warren]

How?

[versed vault]

Apprently I have no permission nor can I upload screenshots.

hopefully they are already aware of it

[mortal bough]

Well the session expired, and then all the sudden the time is working right. I guess even a broken clock is right twice a day... I will be keeping tabs on this problem.

[noble willow]

that's going to be your interaction level in the channel. Once you participate for a while, post enough etc, you get to the right level, I think it's 5

[atomic zealot]

What is everyone's thoughts on new update?

[noble willow]

as always with a beta game, patch day creates lots of issues, brings new features that are pretty good, and generally is just chaos for a few days.

I like that they've implemented the fuel transfer to OW, it's the reason I got land in the first place.

I play T1 plots currently so the buff on passive fuel is significant, as is the reduction in fuel prices for upgrading storage in particular, but also the converters.

The fuel full without being full issue is really the only thing I am unhappy with, and that's just because I don't want to lose any part fuel that I've generated.

Overall good, just being patient with fixes

[mortal bough]

So where can we review proposals, was the fuel patch a proposal?

[noble willow]

I will say the other frustration is when changing plots and it freezes, everything done in that session will be lost, which again leads to lost passive generation. Not huge at this point, but really annoying

[fallow lily]

Pretty good, and I am eager to see the impact to fuel prices overall

[versed vault]

frustrating, I suppose I'll have to type

more stuff

to boost

my level

[noble willow]

lol, now add an exlamation mark

[versed vault]

!

[timber sapphire]

It doesn't work with spamming, you only get xp every 5 or 10 min or so

Spamming will only get you banned

[mortal bough]

Final result, 2 minutes off. Not sure of the issue.

[serene iris]

Hmm would like some thoughts on my theory here.

Fuel prices are crashing hard!

To me it looks like land holders fuel being moved direct to wallet is still minting x19 and being sold at the floor price...

Would love some clarification from the devs

[mossy sorrel]

so is fuel transfer only available on pc and mac?

[noble willow]

pc definitely

[mossy sorrel]

righto, still can't do it on ipad, i guess we'll just have to wait for new patch

[noble willow]

I assume you've gone to the store and looked for an update?

[mossy sorrel]

yep.. no updates yet as of now

[mortal bough]

How much did it crash???

[serene iris]

Seems to be fluctuating alot.. maybe I just got lucky but I bought 100 solon and got a 400 bonus

[mossy sorrel]

not only is fuel transfer not available on all platforms.. only a minority of people are doing that right now...
All we can say is, supply still outpaces demand at this point

[oak solstice]

Man Zero is awfully buggy since the new update :/

[mossy sorrel]

some dude put up a really cheap sale order about 10~15 mins ago,, you got lucky with your timing...

[mortal bough]

This was the price on 08/19/2024, a few days after the nerf

[serene iris]

Fuel ninja 🥷

[noble willow]

If a lot of people are like me, you won't see any of my fuel until I have significant excess of what I want to use in Overworld.
With only 2 T1s, that's forever away, if it ever gets there.

[mortal bough]

This is up for a vote

IIP-66 Remove the Bonus Fuel System

[serene iris]

Your right there are probably a lot in the same situation.... however if your fuel transfers still cause the dao to mint x19 more there is still a lot of fuel hitting the market

I'm not sure if they did that tho

[noble willow]

true, but yeah I have no idea if that is the thing or not, and if so, what price is chosen by the DAO? Do they use that to try and up the floor?

I can see that as a good stabilising mechanism

[mortal bough]

I transferred 20 solon just to see if it worked, and to see if the was a recordable transaction I could view.

The only thing that would change with this update is people who would normally be buyers, are now using there own fuel to play OW. They were selling and buying fuel previously because they could not transfer to themselves.

[serene iris]

I think it would be way better if transfers were 1 for 1 and there was no x19.

That would make the economy more interesting.

Fuel expensive land holders sell their fuel. Fuel is cheap land holders keep their fuel

Land holders keeping their fuel and the dao minting x19 doesn't really effect the price

[mortal bough]

The only fuel supply should be from the land owners.

SHOULD

[young nacelle]

Anyone have issues,
stuck at loading screen?
I have to relaunch couple of times

[serene iris]

Its working, but I've notice a lot of disconnect reload errors

[noble willow]

constant

[young nacelle]

yeah, is working,
just happen when changing plot.
the error keep happening.

[serene iris]

Its pretty annoying, hopefully they fix it soon ish

[noble willow]

I have found with the plot feezing thing, a workaround that is annoying to do but works is do your collects etc, wait 60 seconds, close, open and go to second plot, do collects, wait 1 minute, close, and then open up when the alarm goes off for the next collection period. Shouldn't have to do it that way, but it saves going through the activity, having the freeze, and needing to do the collects etc again.

[mortal bough]

@whole spear Any idea when the Illuvial Gyms will be implemented?

[young nacelle]

so have to do it slowly kinda.
1 min can do a lot of thing!

https://tenor.com/view/laugh-zootopia-smile-sarcasm-sloth-gif-5358369

[noble willow]

my activities are now at least 15 minutes apart, so it's not a huge thing, but if I had a new plot it would drive me spare

[mortal bough]

Is there any moderators in here???? Would love to hear information on some approved proposals.

@whole spear How do we receive the 5% share of revenue from digital product sales within the illuvium gaming ecosystem?

[hearty cradle]

Hi aaron,
About what you posted on fuel transfer here. Is this still the case? If not then what is the explanation?

[oak ruin]

all blueprints I am getting are STAGE 1 armors? how can I get some for stage 2 and 3 armors?

[mortal bough]

So doesnt this hurt the economy greatly with flooding 95k worth of fuel.

[tough field]

Ow no bro. Is that true? Could someone confirm this?

Is that really happening?

[vivid cipher]

Apparently not

[tough field]

So when you transfer to your OW, it’s just a transfer. The DÃO is not interpreting this as a sale and minting 19x to put on sale, right?

[vivid cipher]

Correct. That is how things are working right now. Simple transfer. No 19x mint.

[tough field]

That makes more sense. Thanks

[vivid cipher]

Sure.

[oak ruin]

how i send my fuel from zero to overworld?

[vivid cipher]

I assume it’s done in the zero point transducer. But I do not actually know.

[oak ruin]

no option here

found it

click on the fuel icon on the top left and there is a "send fuel" option

[vivid cipher]

Can you screenshot it for me? Haha

[serene iris]

Is this official? Is there a source we can check?

[hearty cradle]

has it been confirmed by team?

[vivid cipher]

Rich already said that multiple people have told him that it was 1:1 (just a transfer). #💰〕token message

[vivid cipher]

There’s a number of devs that have said this is how it works. I assume we can check the ledger. And that there are not listings other than the fuel sales. I’ll check the ledger.

https://illuvidex.illuvium.io/fuel-exchange?section=ledger

That ledger is public

[hexed abyss]

Wanting to vote on this IIP-66 which is currently Active. But getting this error "Oops, it seems you don't have any voting power at block 61,620,880." And I have had ILV staked for a while, so what happened to my voting power?

[vivid cipher]

Voting is done by council members.

[vivid cipher]

ILV stakers get to elect council members.

[hearty cradle]

the community can give thumbs up/down

[high sleet]

Has anyone testing the fuel sending sutff? Is it instant?

[shut wave]

Its been more than a week the stage 6 crypton converter is not working. Iv already written an email and sent a report. Who can Icontact to get this fixed?

The bottom most one rightnext to silicon.

[vivid cipher]

What’s the ticket number for that report? Should be in your email

[foggy sage]

Can we have the option to convert the fuel to the fuel we want prior to direct transfer into Overworle since we are not affecting the market and the DAO is not generating 19 to 1 on direct transfer fuel?

[vivid cipher]

Seems unlikely be something that is ever going to get implemented

[foggy sage]

Dang well pretty pointless then for most lands. Oh well team knows best i guess

[serene iris]

Its working fine and is instant

[serene iris]

They havnt mentioned fixing it but my l6 converters are all making the more now. I think its fixed

[hexed talon]

@vivid cipher hello sir. I can’t get message with password from immutable. Can’t login

Yesterday still can, but today can’t.

[vivid cipher]

Weird. Did anything change with your internet connection?

[swift creek]

Hello guys I am trying to upgrade crypton gate. But keep getting this message. When I press confirm nothing happens. It does not start upgrade

I tried restarting game and also cancle all activities but still same

Not able to upgrade

[empty path]

Did you maybe list your fuel for sale on the Illuvidex?

[high sleet]

I see I see thank you

[vivid cipher]

Could be related to a bug that makes it look like you collected more than you actually should have. The back end won’t let you use the stuff that you should not have received.

[swift creek]

So what’s solution here do you know

[vivid cipher]

I don’t. Could also be fuel listed for sale… you could cancel the sale listing.

[swift creek]

Oh yeah that’s possible as I have listed fuel

Let me check

[noble willow]

I mean you can use the converter?

[serene iris]

If you've got the time and patience, it's still better to sell then rebuy. You can usually sell at a better price than you buy if your careful with your timing/price

[swift creek]

Thanks mate it was due to fuel on sale. It’s not selling anyway from one week so took it off

[vivid cipher]

@empty path knows his stuff

[sleek rose]

Does the podarium do anything besides just increase plants right now?

[empty path]

Not at the moment as far as I know

[quaint prism]

It also takes up space that could be used by something else? 🙃

[sleek rose]

It totally is doing that right now. Oh well, perhaps it helps me plan the layout for a time when it's useful

[hexed abyss]

Oh, got it. Thanks...

[shut wave]

Hey Jesse, its #64027 logged on Sept 7th

It stopped working way before but I didn't notice it for a while.

[brazen vapor]

hello everyone.. Does this mean that free plots with its resources no longer have value?

like fuels and biodata?

[empty path]

Fuel and biodata can not be used, you can use your free plot to get points for the airdrop and get coins for your other plots

[noble willow]

wtf is this asking me to name my ranger when logging back into zero?

[silk patio]

when claiming of s1?

[uneven pulsar]

what is next my action?

[shut wave]

Keep researching it for blueprint i think.

[bold vapor]

@whole spear I'm stuck on loading plot issue after the last patch 1.1.0, for 3 weeks now, is there a solution ? Thanks

[rapid tartan]

New Illuvium Zero proposal live #1283335080709980160 , I also posted on X if anyone is interested in helping the idea get some promotion https://x.com/omnifariou9/status/1833777522569277600

Omnifarious9 (@omnifariou9) on X

Hey @Nijafe_Plays I'm curious what you think of this. I've been trying to think of ways to get the @illuviumio community more bought in to the ecosystem, and I know you tried something similar before for Illuvium Zero landowners. Yay or nay?

Twitter · Sep 11, 2024, 8:00 AM

[whole spear]

Was meant to go in for another fix thats being addressed tonight, but will add an estimate to the announcement soon. Hopefully this week but will know more shortly

[verbal igloo]

We are aware of this, and we are currently investigating. We estimate fixing it in the next couple of days due to the backend team being OOO today

[verbal igloo]

this is the process of registering a new account. You have probably used a different one compared to when you first logged in

[stuck vine]

the new update have any change the price fuel or still down ?

when ever i see the price allwayse still go down

[rotund forum]

is the zero point traducer upgraded necessary for higher tier blueprints? While I see there are some who have 30 blueprints I have an average of 2. But I only try T4/5 so it might be that, or I figured you need that traducer upgraded. It says it is essential for blueprint minting... something we are not really doing at the moment, so I don´t know if it is just bad luck, very hard or the lacking of the upgraded version of that building. Any ideas¿

[raw fjord]

noiceee 😄

ez

[hollow crypt]

Instead of bitching about zeros constantly getting punished on the supply side for lack of demand, I felt it was time to come with some solutions. Restore the supply levels and tax the sales only. Let the harvesting for play transfer across without tax. This will have more players in the ecosystem as a result. I’m on the sidelines here waiting to produce enough fuel on my T3 to play and if I can’t achieve that, then It feels like I forked out a load for a motorbike ashtray.

[rapid tartan]

Give a thumbs up on this #1283335080709980160

[rapid tartan]

Are we currently being taxed on using our own fuel? They just made an update that let us use our fuel I thought?

[open stratus]

You can transfer your fuel to ow now yeah

[rapid tartan]

But is it taxed in any way?

[hollow crypt]

I have, but ithey shredded the volume

[rapid tartan]

Was it taxed or you got the full amount?

[hollow crypt]

Full amount

[unborn stump]

Hey folks, could you help me with that: I started to play zero some weeks ago, joining with T1 Plot. I am holding and staking ILV but didn’t participate in the land sale. It’s been a while that I have been straight into the rabbit hole here.

Now with the update I am getting the info that I am entering a practice plot area (fuel / items cannot sold/used in other games). Can somebody give me some context on that or a source where I can educate myself on the strategy behind this?

From what I knew and what the marketing did manifest is: You can play this for free and produce resources that can be used in e.g. overworld VS. T1 plots aren’t able to fulfill this story.

[fathom thunder]

guys is there any point upgrading the singularity scanners?

[noble willow]

nope, only one account.

It didn't show up again, was just weird

[minor hazel]

playing on the free plot can't transfer to any other game/environment. What it can do is gain you points each season by giving you a plot that grows faster than a T1 so you can complete the missions you otherwise might not be able to. It can also get you more speed up coins that you can use on your paid plots for more builders or just speeding up things on the plot itself. So it gives you ways to earn mission points/season rewards as well as speed up coins.

[minor hazel]

scanner level is directly correlated to what tier biodata you can find. At level 1 you can only find tier 1. At level 3 you can find up to tier 3. Etc. So if you want higher tier illuvial blueprints you need the same or higher level scanner and and materials lab.
costs for scanning/researching go up each level so keep that in mind. 6/9/12/15/18 of each fuel for scanning at each level.

[fathom thunder]

thank you very much, I was expecting that but wasn't sure

[sudden zinc]

Thanks! Found it! easy one! The price below the fuel is this per fuel or the value of all of my fuel? Thanks!

[unborn stump]

That helps a lot, I really appreciate your explanation. However, I believe Illuvium Zero's communication needs a revamp, especially if it's targeting a broader audience and aiming for long-term success. Currently the information on the website doesn’t reflect this distinction and it reinforces my previous understanding:

By playing Illuvium Zero, I believed I would be able to:

• Harvest fuel from your plot to grow your empire or trade it with others.
• Craft and trade unique skins applicable to all games within the Illuvium universe.
  Etc.

This isn't entirely accurate since free T1 plots don’t allow those features. I even spent some money to get additional points for hiring builders, which I wouldn’t have done if I had known this beforehand.

What also confuses me: Is a T1 plot now considered a practice plot in general with these restrictions? I can get it for free by installing the app and starting to play, but at the same time, I can also buy it through Illuvidex for e.g. 140 Dollar

[minor hazel]

free plots are considered Tier 0. Tier 1 plots are plots you have purchased and they are able to do all those things albeit slower than Tier 2/3/4

[craggy bison]

is level 6 the max for a quantum fabricator ?

[minor hazel]

yes, fabricator, fuel sites, and fuel converters are level 6 capped

[unborn stump]

Now I understand where my confusion is coming from. There doesn't seem to be much clarity on this distinction, apart from the phrase on the homepage: "Start with a free Tier 0 Land, or purchase Tier 1 to Tier 4 Land to increase your resource harvest." This is very easy to miss and the visual representation on the left side doesn’t highlight Tier 0 plots clearly.

Additionally, the game itself creates the illusion that I own a T1 plot. The filters show me T1 and on the "Plots" screen I get displayed: one of the five dots is highlighted --> making it look like I have a T1 plot.

[cerulean steppe]

I fully agree with you. Illuvium needs to be more upfront about the cost aspect. The whole website says "Free to Play" and in this case even lies to potential players.

[unborn stump]

In my case, I’ve invested hours, motivation and even some money to drive growth faster and more efficiently, with the feeling that it was worthwhile. Right now, however, it feels like a waste. As both a player and an investor, I’m not happy with that. I’m mature enough to understand that these things can happen, especially in projects like this, but if you’re chasing for in-game time, retention, player engagement and in-app purchases, the communication has to be 100% clear.

Illuvium Zero is a great application with great potential in terms of game economy and mechanics, but there’s a significant issue with the way information is communicated. The lack of clarity around plot types—particularly between free Tier 0 plots and purchased Tier 1 plots creates confusion. The in-game experience+UI, such as the filters and plot representations give the impression that players own a T1 plot when they don’t.

This discrepancy between expectations through the current webpage and marketing communication and reality will likely cause frustration among users. For long-term success, it’s crucial to optimize the communication around these key aspects. Transparency and clarity will ensure that the community remains confident in the game and its economy. Without it, there’s a risk of alienating players and investors alike, which could harm the project’s growth despite its strong foundations.

[cerulean steppe]

Please post in feedback channel. The team needs to know this. Zero really is an addictive game and F2P features are coming, but producing fuel will never be a F2P feature.

[brisk hound]

Free to play doesn't mean free to play to earn, and if you look the wiki about IZ it is stated that you can't use fuel on free land and that it serves as a demo to get used to the game, just a matter of knowing how to read..

[rotund forum]

I can see how this would make your life more comfy being able to have more "free" runs instead of paying fuel, but I fail to see how that would actually help the ecosystem. You claim more players... that are only zero players going on free runs, not paying players. Correct me if I fail to see your point, anything constructive is always welcome of course.

[cerulean steppe]

So why is that on wiki and not on the Illuvium main site ?

[brisk hound]

Because it's.. the point of a wiki to give information ?

[rotund forum]

yes, I think it should be filtered as a T0, you are right it creates a wrong idea for people.

[cerulean steppe]

This is what the website says.

How do I find the wiki from the main website ?

They said „increase“. They should have said „To get real resources and not just demo resources“

It is intentionally phrased to mislead new players.

[brisk hound]

From the FAQ link on the same website. "free version will not produce ressources that can interact with the main game, paid land will"

Took me 30sec to find from the same page you sent

If you don't even read "What is illuvium zero" you have no right to complain..

[cerulean steppe]

No, I am not required to read the fineprint to correct a lie on the main page.

[brisk hound]

There's no Lie, there's not written anything on the main page about earning with a free plot

[cerulean steppe]

This comes right after „start with a free plot“.

[brisk hound]

YOUR land. That you own. Not a free renting plot

It's said in discord, in the FAQ, in the mediums, in the AMA's

[cerulean steppe]

I t is a lie when you tell someone to start with free plot and then say „trade with others“.

You don‘t get it. This is a website for new mainstream players.

[brisk hound]

So mainstream players can't read is that it ? Never went reading a patch note ? Never checked the description of a game ? Never read a game's manual ?

[cerulean steppe]

This is the next lie.

[brisk hound]

This is the game mechanic, which apply to those who play the game, not the demo

If you wanna know how everything works, you have to read the FAQ not just the main page, which is the same for everything

[cerulean steppe]

Fuck, this is about misleading new players by hiding the fact that you only get this good stuff on paid land.

Don‘t make me angry by playing with words. Game, Demo, whatever. They have to just say what you get for free and what when you pay.

[radiant sky]

it should be what the fuel is worth, but it's actually the top rail price of all the fuel.

[brisk hound]

Ain't nothing misleading, the golden rule is always do your own research, I don't mean to be rude sorry if it comes across that way, I just don't understand why you would spend hours in a thing without documenting yourself beforehand to be sure that you do the right thing, that applies to all types of games, tho since there's no earning potential we often don't care

Which I can understand

[radiant sky]

they know that there was confusion for people playing the f2p plot.
You saw that from dozens people asking in here.
You also see now the popup when entering the f2p plot.

[lost walrus]

Some people never read so ..

[cerulean steppe]

The popup is good. They still need to fix the homepage.

[cerulean steppe]

We will never get new paying players if they perceive us as a money grab. Just be honest what Zero is all about and don‘t even say F2P. Say demo and this is a game about fueling the Illuvium economy and not a normal city builder.

[brisk hound]

Yeah this I agree, but in a sense if you're on free plot, you ain't giving money so it's not really being a money grab, in my opinion

If you pay to get coins, then it's the same as any normal city builder

Like clash of clan for exemple, you have your free map, you can pay for gems to build faster

The equivalent would be being able to buy a map on clash of clan where you could idk, sell your units or your energy. So to me it's pretty fair, you play for free : you play a city builder, you play paid : you play a city builder with web3 integration and utility

Cause what you say is you can't sell fuel or exchange on free land, which is true, and you can't do that on any other city builder that Is free to play, web3 or not, so to me it is a totally normal city builder if you play for free

[thorny crater]

this. been saying this since day one. i will not work my 9-5 so others can make a ROI lol. I'm going play something else i can get lost in. Just started playing cyberpunk again bc of the anime was soooooo awesome. I did not know they basiclly redid the whole game its so much fun again lol

[cerulean steppe]

But to be fair: I love playing Zero. But I own land and I believe in the Illuvium vision.

[thorny crater]

me too lol. im just at the end now

[tranquil sparrow]

I believe in their vision, but will they survive? 🤔

[thorny crater]

sim city, civilization games, roller coaster tycoon. loved those games growing up lol

[noble willow]

me too but this is nowhere near those games, and can't see the functionality to make it so at this point.....................

[thorny crater]

this i do not understand lol

i can now use my fuel to play OW for free

BUT after you max everything then what....i just collect once a day on my t3. i started on my t1s last week, but only 1 builder so it kinda slow lol

BUT they will be staright fuel producers haha

so playablity after maxing is low, but daily collecting will be high...is what i am say. if that made sense

[cerulean steppe]

.

This keeps me motivated.

[low river]

Yeah, To bad that you and your bot army cannot tank the game economy, sad times.

[thorny crater]

i tried to link kaierns chat but got muted lol

#🎮〕illuvium-zero message

ah maybe copied the wrong thing that's on me lol

[cerulean steppe]

My bot army ?

[sudden zinc]

OK Thanks, so all fuel I have… Oh dear, really not a lot…🫣

[thorny crater]

anyone have the cost on elements for a stage 5 scanner/lab?

trying to figure out if i can just get two storages to lvl 9, elemetns only

after upgrades ill delete some storages lol

or thats my right now plan, might change tho

this is for a t3**

[knotty idol]

I'll have to double check this on my next scab, but I believe it's 18 fuel each on the scanner

Scan*

[thorny crater]

oh sweet. do you rmeber the upgrade cost to get it to 5?

im in the middle of getting a lvl 4 scanner, it was like 14 mill silcon needed

but with one storage at lvl 9 and the other at 8 i have 21 mil now

storage space*

so close to making everything as id like it 🙂

im fuel poor but thats ok haha

[knotty idol]

It's pretty high, I have only hit a lvl 5 scanner on my tier 4

[thorny crater]

zammmmmmmn haha

[knotty idol]

Which a maxed storage was more than enough

I have 1 lvl 4 on my tier 3

[thorny crater]

oooo sweet might only need one fo each

[knotty idol]

I'll check next time I rescan

[radiant sky]

@verbal igloo
there seems to be a massive struggle with saving data in Zero since after the patch.

• Longterm rollbacks when switching devices
• Loading plot screen for couple minutes when switching between plots on 1 account
• Short term rollbacks of the last plot one was playing on, when altf4 during the loading plot screen of the last plot one was playing on.

For me personally it got worse today than it was yesterday after the patch.
For example i was able to altf4 and restart the game to resolve plot loading issues for a couple hours and also didn't got rolled back.

Just tagging you in case you weren't aware. 🙂

[knotty idol]

I think you should be ok with 1 lvl 8 and 1 lvl 9

Element storage that is

[thorny crater]

https://tenor.com/view/bomb-dot-com-gif-10971542

Yo da bom dot com!

[thorny crater]

I did notice, even before patch, if i did not log out of the game from one device and went onto another these things would happen. Not bad, like itll be off for like 5-10 mins, then start wroking agin. But was happening

I never reported it though, cause it would alwasy work. I just thought it was being wroked on anyway

my b on that

[radiant sky]

Always report everything you think could be a bug 🙂
If everyone thinks the same the wouldn't get any bug reports at all 😄
It also helps the team to set priorities and provides them with data.

[verbal igloo]

We are aware and working on this. New hotfix patch will be available soon

[radiant sky]

https://tenor.com/view/thor-marvel-meme-what-heroes-do-gif-14703930

[thorny crater]

ah i need to make it a habbit lol

[hazy tartan]

My biggest fumble to date is not having my f2p land full of scanners so I can guaranteed get the “research x amount of times” in a week mission, 15k mission and I had just built a first scanner on my t1 just to get it done and then realized I should’ve covered my entire f2p with scanners and research facilities so I can just go ham on there.. not like it’s losing anything I’d actually be able to use

I just said screw the f2p and now I’m trying to spam it to get a few scanners as fast as I can to get 5 researches in the next 5 days with 0 bio data so far

[pseudo pulsar]

I have t1lands building to try to get fuel to build and start runing scanner been slow from level 120ish to 170ish

[brazen vapor]

ah I see so the free plots are only for points and everything inside it has no value at all

[unborn heron]

I think the reduction from 12 days to 6 days passive fuel generation from the latest update is good.

[pseudo pulsar]

Whats the most leveled t1land so far ?

[tranquil sparrow]

lvl 201 max

[pseudo pulsar]

@tranquil sparrow i am not so far behind

[empty path]

It's just to show people what the game is like before actually buying a plot

[silver plover]

The biggest help to me was the starting % boost from 80 to 90 so easier to get them all to 150%

[fallow lily]

This is info I have never heard, but is super cool to see as the potential for land holders

[hollow crypt]

Ah excellent! So you have an proposal then as to what land can be used for? I am 75% down on what I used to get out of my T3 for runs and the price per run remains static. I'm all ears! 🙏🏻

[unborn heron]

Didn't even notice that. Thanks
Maybe I'll move some generators to optimize space.

[quasi canyon]

I love seeing less panic and fud in this chat 🥰

[silver plover]

Spent like half the day yesterday reorganizing haha

[thorny crater]

haha i remebr it took me 2-3 days to do 2 plots lol

i was indecivise too

[cerulean steppe]

@noble quest It would be super helpful if this and other information on X/Discord/YouTube would be on an official Trello board. Having a go to place to see the roadmap items and their progress would be very beneficial to the project.

[empty path]

🤫

[lyric lodge]

Still wainting for an answer on why the team deciced to make us use SO MANNNYYY powers station to max our lands and make the cities look so ugly that no one one would want to touch zero @whole spear , any update ? The cities look realllyyyyy ugly, why did the team decide this route ?

Other thing that is extremtly annoying is logging us out ever few hours for security resons

Cities loook realllyyyy ugly

everyone has stated this

would love to know what the reasoning was to make the game look this ugly

[bright lion]

Can I mint blueprints (when the feature is active) as a free to play player?

[lyric lodge]

who else agress the game is really ugly with all the power stations ?

[empty path]

I love it, makes me feel like home

[tranquil sparrow]

yea, i think they should at least count 2 power station power as 1 imo

[lyric lodge]

exactly how hard is that to do ? more like 3

[bright lion]

No? So is there any point in playing as a free to play player? The base building aspect is not really fun

[lyric lodge]

how did the game even get released with all this crap, they must have know the land would like this ?

just simple change the stations to give more power for one, like not hard

I really questions the teams judgment to even release a game when they knew the whole place would be filled wiht power stations and look sooooooo ugly

[rain breach]

People use lots of power stations not because of buildings power requirements, but because it increases the efficiency of extractors and converters.

[lyric lodge]

ofc thats the whole point mate

more fuel

more fuel more money

why cant they just change it

how did it even get released

[rain breach]

you said more power... so you wanted to say more efficiency?

[lyric lodge]

yeah with lesss of all those ugly statiosn

[empty path]

Not really, you can do tasks to farm airdrop and earn some coins to buy workers for your other plots.
It's mostly to show how it works before you buy a land NFT

[lyric lodge]

more fuel

more fuel equals more ugly power statiosn

and less place for converters , ahhhhh thats the plan, so we make less fuel ?

I am baffeld how the team htought lands full of power stations would look awesome, like for real? How was this even released ?

Did the team not see how ugly a maxed fuel land would look ?

@whole spear ir anyone to provide an answer on if they thing lands full of power stations is a good look and why this easily cannot be changed, makes zero look really ugly and dumb

[empty path]

lol you already pinged him 20 min ago in your monologue, I think you made your point

[bright lion]

Nothing like a singular focus!

[empty path]

Woops it happened, I sold my hydrogen extractor on my F2P plot

ffs move that button already

[thorny crater]

I build my f2p plot for 2 reasons:

1. free coins but only every 5 levels
2. Testing things. Like do i need 150% eff to get max passive, or is 146 ok?

this way i can see if i can squeeze in another convertor/whatever build without having to test on a real lot

[shut wave]

@vivid cipher @shut wave

[vivid cipher]

Hey

[polar cosmos]

what is maximum storage for fuel with one containment on max lvl?

[empty path]

Hi

[vivid cipher]

Not been able to check yet. Just eating breakfast. Doing some back reading

[radiant sky]

depends on your land tier.

[polar cosmos]

T1

[radiant sky]

haven't one max on t1 but i guess it's 4m.
i could be wrong tho, just rough calc.

[polar cosmos]

for fuel

[radiant sky]

probably 2k?
but same, no clue. Just took my t4 storage and divided it by 4 😄

[shut wave]

Oh ok just making sure you get the message #64027

[noble quest]

They were just my thoughts, not really news, our blog platform has our news 🙂

[empty path]

So just random idea's that might not happen?

[pure fable]

is it still worth it to upgrade the nexus of all my plots in my megacity, or is megacity around the corner? 🙂

[radiant sky]

you likely need most of them anyways for the structure limits.

[pure fable]

ok but engineering workshop and quantum are also 160 fuel each

quite expensive

if megacity comes soon I would not upgrade those

[noble quest]

I wouldn't say that, but it needs a game designer to look at it

[thorny crater]

first love the pfp. one of my fav cards in yugioh from the old days haha.

for meag cities i forgot the requirments. Is is just 1 adjecent plots are do we need all 4?

[pure fable]

thanks mate 😄
you need 2x2 or 3x3 (square)

[radiant sky]

?zero-megacity

[lethal wyvern]

What are megacities in Illuvium: Zero?

Megacities allow adjacent plots that make up a 2x2 or 3x3 square to be combined to form one larger plot.

The expected benefits of a mega-city are:

• the ability to share landmark bonuses between plots,
• the ability to share resources between plots with no transfer cost (in either time or resources)
• the ability to share support buildings like the Engineering Lab resulting in increased available space.

Megacities are not currently available in Illuvium: Zero and a specific date for their implementation has not been announced.

[cinder grove]

Yep, also deleted 3 building by accident. When you go through several lands and click on stuff it just looks the same. There should be a different scenario to delete

[thorny crater]

sweet i need this whole square lol

gimmie

[cinder grove]

Square mega city is not doing it for me, too predictable. When linked so much more game play

Different color?

[empty path]

I got lucky it's just on my F2P plot

[cinder grove]

With me it was in the beginning, but happens sometimes as it is next to dregde button. I know it will happen again. Probably then with a L9 😄

[empty path]

Gonna take a while to build it again, so annoying

[thorny crater]

this! on a t2 i completely lost a solon convertor and lab for a bit. I was like i know there is another one of thes guy here. Power stations just blocked the view lol

[cerulean steppe]

I don‘t expect all these ideas to become reality, but as a general vision for Zero to become a hub I trust your words as the CEO. I actually bought new land (one from Fraggy) after I had sold a few, spent on coins and I love playing Zero. But only because I see it grow into more than just fuel production and blueprints.

Could this become a news item or a Trello board ? Or just posted in a roadmap channel in Discord ? Or on the main website ?

[sudden zinc]

GM again. Yesterday the vesting for the ILV Rewards were over, where can I claim them? I can not find on ILV Website.. Thanks..

[atomic cove]

rewards.illuvium.io

[empty path]

Oh that was you? Got 2 more listed 🤓

[cerulean steppe]

Got enough for now 🙂 It is a pretty nicely balanced land and well developed.🙏

[empty path]

You got the pink one right?

[sudden zinc]

Even though you are very busy Thanks to be here in the chat! I wrote in the meantime two tickets, as I did not get any rewards for playing pre Season allthough plaeyd nearly every day! Land owner from day zero!!! Any idea what else I can do? Thanks!

[cerulean steppe]

Yes, T4 Crystal.

[copper swan]

Is illuvium zero broken? Stoped working on my macbook 3 days ago and now on my phone? Just stuck on the loading screen picture

[empty path]

Works fine on my macbook

[normal totem]

Hi all. I started my Land on Sunday, Does better tier power plants improve efficiency?

[hollow crypt]

#Metaverse ??? 😉

Could you imagine going to find your plot mapped out in overworld and be able to build on it?

[lyric lodge]

Ofc

[mortal mural]

tis doesnt, but it does provide with more power with each level

[lyric lodge]

Hj maybe you can answer how the team thought it was a good idea to make the lands look sooooo ugly through having to use loads of power stations to make fuel ?

Would really love to understand the reasoning unless they think it looks awesome

[mortal mural]

i think my plots are work of arts (efficient work of arts)

[untold igloo]

Crazy the T1 going to 100 step by step...

[mortal mural]

my wife thinks the game its too damn purple though.

[lyric lodge]

They could also look good just by changing the power station power

[mortal mural]

i wished we had more colours though.

[lyric lodge]

Yeah purple obsession is a real issue with some

[mortal mural]

also to your question aboutt powerplants i have thought about it. but couldnt come up with a solution without have plots being spammed with converters.

[lyric lodge]

When none ilv people look at zero they probably want to to barf cause of al the power stations and purple

[lyric lodge]

Simple just make the power station more powerful....then more convertes for fuel productions

[mortal mural]

i would like if efficiency went up with lvl, but i dont how how to solve the consequence of this lol

[drifting shoal]

When you remove the plant life from you plot does it do any thing? I assume so with the podarium. I thought they gave credits some times?? But my credits haven't moved for a week?

[mortal mural]

if aesthetics is in questions, this would make plots be filled with converters which might make them equally awful visualy

[untold igloo]

Credit only in Beta, just ressources

[hearty cradle]

yo panda

[vivid cipher]

No I don’t have a real answer to that.

I suspect there was not much communication between game flow design and art design while making decisions about balance.

Or perhaps it was a conscious decision that touches on the idea that striving for maximum efficiency often comes at the cost of maximum beauty. Game reflecting life.

lol I sound a bit too much like ChatGPT for even my taste

[mortal mural]

YOOOOOO

[hearty cradle]

havent seen u around

Ru playing iz?

[mortal mural]

have been busy preparing for the second baby (comming in december). finishing a house. upgrading systems in my work. and me free time is all zero.

[foggy sage]

some say its not purple enough

[hearty cradle]

a new baby and a new house. congrats man

[foggy sage]

it has the fornite color theme

[lyric lodge]

But yoh agree thr plots look ugly with all the power stations...so they did not even play the game to highest levels to see how it would look?

[drifting shoal]

400 credits for 3ed worker possible off quests then I guess??

[mortal mural]

wished i had some liquidity for crypto though lol

[hearty cradle]

who did. Please take me to them

[hearty cradle]

well it's either lambo or kids

[foggy sage]

XD lol its clear the team did not raise enough money to play test a game as complex and deep as zero

[untold igloo]

You mean the ingame Credits? Or you mean the Points for Missions?

For the 3t worker you just need to lvl up. I think also the free plot gives Credits you can use because all count together but i dont Know if the Points from free plot count Here also.

[mortal mural]

one im not showing because its a mess

lol

[hearty cradle]

jezus christ allmighty

[lyric lodge]

Ugly with all those power stations

[hearty cradle]

u played all of those plots?

[mortal mural]

yea, but efficiency workd of arts some

[hearty cradle]

https://tenor.com/view/neil-degrasse-tyson-we-got-a-badass-over-here-gif-11543262

[mortal mural]

yes, i though about buying another one, but wife might kill me

[foggy sage]

feels bad cause had they not nerfed the fuel production, i would have so many ingame resources now

i could be transfering 3K crypton every day to my ingame overworld

[untold igloo]

Na man Look at the Prices, really good point to buy right now

[hearty cradle]

i only play F2P and its already feels a lot lol

[mortal mural]

not a money issue. but a time one lol

[untold igloo]

Haha True that

[lyric lodge]

That's alot I fuel...what tier?

[mortal mural]

i only play zero. not playing arena or overworld

[hearty cradle]

my f2p

lol ur level is twice mine

[mortal mural]

not that many. 3 tT2 and 2 T3, 1 T1 not showing

[hearty cradle]

how is this possible

[drifting shoal]

OK so they changed the plant harvest and I just got to lv up got it

[foggy sage]

thats fuel city baby

[untold igloo]

Yeah plants just give you Ressources, but wait till they full grown.. Lvl up at some point bringst you Credits.

[untold igloo]

The Power of T4 😂

[foggy sage]

hell and i wish they didnt nerf the fuel cost because i had such big plans to transfer it all to the game and basically just do stage 3 runs for free

but now its pretty pointless

[untold igloo]

Yeah True, they nuked it with this Update from Hell

[foggy sage]

the lack of direction and the love of the DAO printing machine kinda ended it for me

[untold igloo]

Same... I Sold all my T1 just keept my T4s and t3s than i saw the t1 under 150$ and bought back now i have more Plots than before. Now i wait what happens

[foggy sage]

to many things to keep track of rather have a single T8 then 2 T4s

[untold igloo]

True.

[subtle frost]

?

[radiant sky]

close game and restart... that's what i did

[subtle frost]

why I have to name my ranger in zero

[lyric lodge]

Still under 150....?

[tranquil sparrow]

Around that price

[lyric lodge]

But they are currently pointless to own

[subtle frost]

so hard to use?

T1?

[sudden zinc]

Wow! How did you made this???

[lyric lodge]

Wow teambteally wrecked land owners

[tranquil sparrow]

I guess to speculate it will useful later lol

[foggy sage]

with my own 2 hands

[open stratus]

Now that I can transfer fuel, I can forge and run and hopefully make enough to get more land !!

[mortal mural]

I don’t know lol. There is less clicking at advanced plots. But all the time I had spending in discord now goes into zero. I actually enjoy the game, simply as it may be.

@hearty cradle I hope everyone in council and team is doing well I heard is difficult times for the project. Everything will work out. We have the right people

[rotund forum]

I think I have posted several ideas both here and in the dedicated channel for suggestions in the past, I did not say I have the solution for this particular issue, I just complimented you on at least trying to bring constructive ideas to the table (be it with selfish motives 😜, we all tend to look after our own interests, but let’s not limit it to only that). The only real solution for you to be able to sell more fuel is getting more players hooked on overworld (and yes, I did post a suggestion on trying to achieve that). When something very worthy springs to mind I’ll surely share it. Cheers

[rotund forum]

Correct me if I am wrong but actually buying 3rd worker would be about 20€/22$? It’s not that bad actually, the alternative taking months more to level up.

I checked fuel and it seemed to have stopped dropping at least for now. So that is positive, considering it was in freefall last 8 days

[hollow crypt]

I hear you. I think we need ideas put forward. There are several here who have poured a lot into land and assets already and crapping on land owners is defiantly not the path to success. Utility provides us options. Electing to use fuel from my own land to keep me in overworld while buying assets at the same time to advance in the game is one of my strategies. We are all aware of the market argument and land asset value (which is important to some) but If the team keep kicking the legs out from under our ability to utilize the land for some sort of utility, we are goosed. Thats why I want to come here with solutions and not just give out. I am just glad to see folk still here who care enough about the project. 🙏🏻 ✌🏻 🌹

[rotund forum]

I think T3/4 plots are more stubborn to sell off because they were still playable, let’s see if this latest patch does anything against the selling off of T1’s although I understand the fuel is still not going to produce that many ow runs, as planned at launch thus currently staying less interesting. It will bounce back eventually, but not in the short run I fear.

[normal totem]

Thanks what is the best way to get efficiency. Just around 110% on some.

[last tiger]

this bug with the plants LOL im removing some excess power stations now i have a garden on those free spots LOL

the game crash and wen it reboot plants everywhere

[vivid cipher]

The shadows from those parachute plants are crazy

[rapid tartan]

Until new ideas and features are put forward, I've put forward an idea to help landowners get a bigger piece of the pie. Right now the DAO produces and sells 95% of the fuel, land owners only 5%, my proposal seeks to enhance the value of being a landowner. It needs 25 votes, please help me get it there if you like the idea. #1283335080709980160

[solar topaz]

This has changed, hasn't it?

[rapid tartan]

No

[solar topaz]

When we transfer fuel directly to uel Exchange, no extra fuel is minted, right?

[hollow crypt]

Voted and followed 🙏✌️🌹

[tardy falcon]

That's what it seems like

[solar topaz]

Because then it has changed. TECHNICALLY we still get 5% of the revenues, but the whole calculation base has changed.

[rapid tartan]

Is it a mistake to only ask for an extra 5%? Should I be asking for an extra 15% so we can get an even 20%?

[empty path]

Let's make it 50 to be sure

[rapid tartan]

ill fkn do it

[solar topaz]

well, you disown all token holders. I don't think that would be appreciated.

[rapid tartan]

but token holders already get so much else

[solar topaz]

And by the way, the token holders include the treasury.

[empty path]

To be honest, I think I make more with my land than what I would make with revdis

[hollow crypt]

#MakeLandGreatAgain 😂

[tardy falcon]

do they tho? before they did with staking rewards... but now revdis is piddly and token price is poo

[solar topaz]

If I get it right, then at some point the team should be paid from yields from the treasury. Thus, if you cutr those yields, that will be negative for game development

[rapid tartan]

love how you worded that lmfao

[last tiger]

i gain 7 cents in revdis

25 dollars a year not bad

[rapid tartan]

honestly tho the team not making money is the teams fault, me and my american friends have been trying to throw money at illuvium since zero came out with extra builders and we still cant

[solar topaz]

I have no idea when the next payout will be, but the last one was like 0.5% for a month? That's not bad. (worse than the yield farming, but that was completely artificial and not sustainable)

[last tiger]

if it was everyday LOL

[hollow crypt]

Im not too pushed on the revenue side as I would consider making the land an important part of the game would automatically raise the asset value.

[solar topaz]

compare it to realworld yields of other investments, not the superinflated pump&dump blockchain nonsense

[last tiger]

i need an opinion should i get 3 t2 lands or jus 1 t3 land

[rapid tartan]

yeah exactly, nobody cares about land right now, too much trouble to develop and not enough production or fun value, way way less risky to just buy your fuel

[solar topaz]

yields should be similar, but you need less time to play the T3. So unless you like citybuilding or want to go for blueprints, I'd go for the T3

[tardy falcon]

bro... u can get 10% yearly compounding on a mutual fund. 6%/year on revdis is no bueno. Maybe things will pick up tho idk. I hope they do cuz I wanna see the game succeed and everyone to feel good about participating.

[last tiger]

its jus because i would get more fuel sites for less money but would take a lot of time too so tier 3 seems better

[solar topaz]

you are right, it is not exceptional.

[solar topaz]

do not forget the efficiency bonus. The T3 sites produce more.

[last tiger]

i know brother

but if i got the time and pacience t2s seems a good bet atm

[last tiger]

and those that have fuel efficency bonus are much more money

[open stratus]

That's why I bought land ...

[empty path]

You should buy more

NFA

DYOR

[solar topaz]

Anyway. If now let's say half of the land owners directly transfer their fuel and do not sell it because they also play overworld, the amount of fuel generated is not 20x land production, but (20x half the land production)+ half the land production. And that means land owners would in that example not get 5% but roughly 10%. So maybe your wish has already come true.

[next juniper]

No biodata or blueprints x2 days in a row from 2 plots😭

Guess I got spoiled from before the update🫠

[tranquil sparrow]

ain't that too much, how are they going to survive?

[foggy sage]

feels good brother

im burning for you gonna be so funny when a T1 land owner gets a T5 illuvial bio data and can do 0 with it

[rapid tartan]

this was something that was needed from square one, so im not impressed with something i already expected

I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around this, token holders get 95% of fuel generation and 100% of redivs, while landowners get 5% of fuel generation and 0% redivs, and yet youre saying land owners are more profitable???

[radiant sky]

Are you aware that fuel sales are part of the revdis?

[rapid tartan]

yes, they get ALL revenue generated by the dao if im not mistaken

not just from land

well giving land owners an extra 5% in the split would be more of a psychological move then, since it wouldnt take much from the dao anyway by your math, shouldnt be a problem

considering me and most land owners have gotten 0 return and tokenholders were paid out hundreds of eth worth of redivs i simply dont believe you

[radiant sky]

it's basically like

Zero get 5% of all digital product revenue and the DAO 95%
this is being done with the fuel ratio.
(goal, all digital products are sold in fuel, like the runs in ow, future disk sales, future land sales etc.)

Then there's revenue where the Landholders are excluded, like dex fee and merchstore and the revenue just get shared between token stackers.

All the revenue a token holder is eligible foris getting distributed via revdis.

You might were right, i was just super confused on how you wrote it down. 😄

[rapid tartan]

Ok but reality is reality, land owners havent been paid out money, tokenholders have. You sound like the biden administration trying to convince people the economy is better then it was 4 years ago, sure you have your numbers, but reality begs to differ.

my argument is factual, ive made 0 return on my land, while ive watched redivs be paid out to tokenholders

I'm still using fuel to develop my land. Then eventually I'll use my fuel to play the game that I haven't been able to play yet.

Once again, youre confusing my words with your feelings vs reality. I'm not complaining, I'm sharing my experience and recommending we make it more attractive for the gamers. Gamers arent going to come into this game and buy tokens, but they will absolutely take a look at land, and 5% looks like shit, 10% would be better.

[empty path]

Land plots are just way too cheap right now 🙂

[tardy falcon]

I’m hoarding fuel 😂

I wish 201 wasn’t max level. Feels weird. There should be no max level

[solar topaz]

95% of fuel generation more or less IS 100% of revenue. Not in addition . That is the same thing. And the capital bound in tokens is way higher, thus the difference.

[tall canopy]

where do you claim your loyalty and season rewards that have been vesting?

nvm got it

[solar topaz]

The thing is: I would not say that 10k per day are bad per se. Considering the number of players. The playerbase is much smaller than the numbers they have been throwing around. Potentially because everything with the word crypto in it is not exactly en vogue atm.

[rapid tartan]

High token price doesnt equal high land price. However if land prices were higher, token prices would be higher. How do we get higher land prices? By voting to #1283335080709980160 .

[vivid cipher]

Do you understand that if you never sell fuel then you’ll never get any eth? Even if the percentages were changed.

[solar topaz]

I disagree. There is the revenue split 95% : 5% and that does very well establish a correlation between land price and token price.

[vivid cipher]

I agree that it should. But I’ve not seen much indication of that.

[solar topaz]

As I said: the user base is way too small, thus the overall result is poor. However, on a per user base I think it is ok when you take everything into account.

[solar topaz]

I made the effort and calculated what the ratio should be. And that is 1 T1=7 ILV.

In the past it was at least in that ballpark. Fluctuations are of course possible.

[vivid cipher]

Nice. I did this years ago as well. Never updated numbers more recently.

[rapid tartan]

investor base big, gamer base small, make the game more catered to gamers, and investors will make more money, i dont get why this community is so continuously short sighted on this concept of "give a little to gain a lot"

[solar topaz]

Not much has changed. There were 10m tokens in the beginning, I estimate roughly 500k were burned for sILV, so math is easier. Then weigh all land with tiers and you get there.

[solar topaz]

I totally agree. But not by just giving you more money, but by improving the game and advertising it more...

[rapid tartan]

owning land needs to look appealing on paper, 5% is dogshit

to a gamer of course

10% is still pretty dogshit but its twice as good as 5% mathmatically, and maybe more of a proportion psychologically

[solar topaz]

If you are solely focussed on the revenue, then you are - by definition - an investor if anything and no gamer.

Complain about game mechanics if you want to make it more appealing to gamers.

[rapid tartan]

im using the increase revenue as a crutch until the game is more featured out and fun, as stated in my proposal we could revert the % once we increase our gamer base by X amount

Yeah I get what you guys are saying.

[solar topaz]

you will not attract gamers with a game that is not inherently fun to play.

[rapid tartan]

i agree, which is why ive stated this is more of a psychological short term crutch to make it more appealing to onboard web2 gamers, if they think they can get a better return they may overlook the featureless aspects of the game

[knotty idol]

boy am i getting tired of clearing the same plant, building the same building and then having to do it over again due to the game reset ;-/

[solar topaz]

only web2 gamers shun crypto stuff like the devil will avoid holy water. Meanwhile web3 "gamers"(=investors) take the profit and the team runs out of funds. Not so smart.

[vivid cipher]

Actually less than 6m ILV were eligibly staked for revdis.

[rapid tartan]

I dont think you guys are crazy, I get your points

[solar topaz]

Honestly I never tried city builders before, but I must say there is not much strategic depth/choice since the building costs of the buildings enforce a certain build order. The game is repetitive and the worst thing is that it totally disrupts your day and you cannot "play" for longer than 3 minutes at a time. If it was not for the faint prospect of getting enough fuel to pay for some really nice overworld runs, I would not touch it.

It would probably be better on mobile, but I will not do this, because I KNOW that this will distract me in all sorts of situations.

[rapid tartan]

i just think gamers that are considering playing ilz that have 0 understanding of how the backend mechanics and distribution work will see 5% and automatically say "its not worth it", theres a reason in sales you use specific numbers when selling things, theres a huge portion of psychology that goes into choosing the perfect #'s and prices, even if its only a few digits off the company would make more money selling something at $497 instead of $499 for instance, and i think illuvium is missing this core aspect of sales in their marketing, 10% just looks much more appealing

[solar topaz]

ILZ was planned as an add-on to the other games. There might be potential and there are some great ideas for synergies, but at least for now I dont see this.

[rapid tartan]

im a makreting professional, i do this for a living, im just adding my 2 cents to the situation, its less about the actual #s and more about the psychology of making players feel a certain way

i think if prospective players take a first glance and feel a certain way, itll help the entire ecosystem flourish

[solar topaz]

See. And I am an engineer and I tell you it wont fly. Even if you could sell it better if it would fly - it won't fly.

[rapid tartan]

people make purchasing decisions based on emotion most of the time, not because they understand the intriquite details of how everything functions

5% sounded good on paper before the land sale because we assumed we would have a huge player base, but we never got the huge player base, so adjustments should be made

at least in the short term

[stone jewel]

Hi! One of the Sequestration Plants in my Plot 46746 started giving me infinite carbon. I like to win but not cheating lol

oh wait, I think it just went back to normal

nvm

[verbal igloo]

it is a client side visual bug, will be fixed with a hotfix patch soon

[foggy sage]

i was thinking this feels like the whole thing is "LOOK AT ME IM A WEB 3 GAME" when it should be "Im a good game with web 3" basically the game should be the focal point and the fact that its web 3 should just be a characteristic of illuvium not the main point that is pushed in peoples faces.

alot of money with no clear direction and leadership, = alot of WTF moments, and in a space as cut throat as video games you cant afford to have mis-step after mis-step and expect to some how make 1 or 2 right moves and then grow this huge player base. to many fun games coming out every single day.

the only game i have seen do this is NMS and they did 6 or 7 years of free content upgrades that were basically expansions/overhauls which no one has really done before for that long

https://tenor.com/view/i-didn't-hear-no-bell-gif-12356700793244171298

[wispy geyser]

hey i dont understand, there are rewards for lands owners? how can i claim them, i get rewards if i have owned a land for a month?

[solar topaz]

there were loyalty rewards if you held lands for a loooong time

rewards.illuvium.io

but if you recently bought, not so much. You can sell fuel for profit.

[thorny crater]

hmmm I forgot what wallet i bought my land on, but had 3 sense sale lol

[wispy geyser]

aah ok ok i understand, thanks for the comment

[thorny crater]

either on my hot meta ask wallet and then transfered to cold. or i just bought on cold wallet

how does that work when we did this for starting on july 25?

I put all my land back inot my cold wallet

matter fact i need to redo verify now

might finally be able to get my land title after 2-3 years

ayyyy

[thorny crater]

ah my plot started to slow down and went to loading screen. seems like its been talked about will report as well

I lie i cant get back in lol

we good lol

[wispy prism]

Hi fam. I'm curious if anyone is still experiencing issues with power stations? I don't understand how they work.
I had a hydrogen converter at 142%. Placed a new power station, leveled it up and no change. Then added another power station and it made it to 150%. I moved everything around to see if I was losing percentages by the buildings being too close to others. nothing else was affecting it.
Can anyone help me to see how 3 power plants surrounding that converter that only needs 500 power takes so much to get to 150% I can't see what I'm doing wrong.

[noble willow]

what's the ETA on this? I understand that's a difficult question but not being able to get fuel kinda makes it impossible to do things.

[digital cloud]

Efficiency % goes up and down based on the # of power plants around the building within a 6 square radius. Leveling up a power plant won't increase efficiency %

[wispy prism]

Can you please explain that more.

It's not the same across the board. There are situations where that doesn't happen.
It's not clear or represented in the efficiency mode or power mode or anything I can actually make sense of.
I'd really like a visual explainer of how everything works from the ILV team.

[next juniper]

Leveling the power plants will not affect the efficiency %. That only produces more energy. If you want to increase the efficiency %, you need to make more power plants near the building for it to go up. The max % you can get is 150%.

Unless you have a landmark for that building, then it can go to 180%.

[wispy prism]

So it's the amount not the power? No land marks. Can you see how that is very confusing. why level up if it is the amount of power plants and not the output.it makes it no different to the Alpha. I understood the last patch to have made the power stations more powerful? Njafe mentioned he could delete some.

[noble crag]

So they broke synchronization again and progress is rolling back here and there… nice…

[next juniper]

Because when you have a building at near max level, it will require a lot more power to run. You will want to increase the level of the power stations to give more power so that you don’t have to have many power plants around it.

[untold igloo]

Bought another T1 in Taiga boreal for 140$ right now why i bought in the Landsale exactly 😂 and waisted so much money

[digital cloud]

Increase # of power plants to increase efficiency

Increase power plant level to make sure the buildings are "on" and "working"

[wispy prism]

Sure, yet as in my image you can see it only required 500 power.
Other buildings at Max yet an extra power station, literally did nothing.

[digital cloud]

Because when you're trying to place the building, it gives you the number the efficiency will increase to if you place the building there

[wispy prism]

Yes. Then how many power plants do you need per building?
This is not specified.

[wispy prism]

Yes I know. Like I said, I moved multiple things around and nothing else was effecting it.

[digital cloud]

It's not, because the distance from the building also affects efficiency %

[foggy bison]

I had the same thing happen. Eventually my ill-gotten gains decreased back to where they belonged.

[wispy prism]

They are touching the sides of the building.

[next juniper]

If it is at 142% already, I think if you craft another power station next to it, it will go up to 150%

[wispy prism]

It did not.can you see what I mean in the images.

[digital cloud]

Power plants have an effective range of 6 squares... It doesn't have to be right next to the building

[next juniper]

Might be because converters get maximum output when they are next to a resource site of the same source. I don’t have any converters so cannot confirm but I think I read that before.

[noble willow]

correct.

[wispy prism]

Yes that makes a slight difference, yet doesn't matter.

I have multiple converters in 6 land plots that are maximum. It seems there is no consistency, or if there is, it's too complex to work out.

I think it may still not be working correctly.

Or there are rules that haven't been made clear.
I'm mostly happy with everything, it's just that this seems weird.
Any team members that can explain?

[digital cloud]

I'm not having an issue... I think you're just misunderstanding how power plants work

[wispy prism]

Then can you please make some kind of sheet or visual explainer that shows it.

[wispy prism]

By looking at my set up can you identify a way I could structure it better?

[noble willow]

There are small odd things all over the place.

I have 2 T1 plots, both have 150% efficiency for their fuel mines, both at level 4, both plots have 15% path bonus touching the mines, one takes 10h11m one takes 10h6m as the estimate............................

[wispy prism]

This does not help me. Should they all be grouped together. Why, when other buildings are at Max does adding extra not work?

[digital cloud]

150 is cap

Unless if you have a landmark

[wispy prism]

Yes and?

I don't have landmarks all my plots are T1.

I'm saying I'm finding things inconsistent, so I'm not sure what process to take.

[digital cloud]

Can you tell me how many power plants are affecting your hydrogen converter at 150%?

I count about 8

[wispy prism]

Can you see the pictures I posted.

[digital cloud]

Yes, I'm asking you to count too

I want to see if you understand it like I do

[foggy bison]

What I like to do, and how I learned a lot, is first turn on the Efficiency like in your most recent image. Then drag (Move) your fuel converters around while watching the Efficiency numbers change as you move closer and farther away from other converters.

[wispy prism]

The converter was at 142% I added the power station behind, this usually works. Nothing changed, I then upgraded it to level 5, nothing changed, I added one more power station behind and it went to 150%

[digital cloud]

Upgrading won't change it

[wispy prism]

Yes I do the same. Nothing is affecting it.

[wispy prism]

So it's the amount and where they are?

[digital cloud]

Yes

[foggy bison]

Yes, you got it!

[wispy prism]

Is it then better to have them in groups? How many per building? How is the power shared? Does it go to a specific one first?

[foggy bison]

And, like you, I don't always like what I see, but it is what it is...

[digital cloud]

Yes, and as many as it takes... Even if they're just level 1 power plants

It doesn't go to a specific one. The power plants are AOE

[wispy prism]

Do you think that makes the last patch notes about power stations irrelevant? It mentioned we would need less.

[foggy bison]

And don't waste a lot of resources upgrading power stations unless you need to "turn on" an upgraded/added building

[untold igloo]

I make always paths in the middle i Place stuff needs Power and both ways outside i place plants, so i have always 150%

[digital cloud]

I'm not sure because I didn't read the patch notes, but the principle should still be the same

[untold igloo]

Its like 4 Stations less than before 😂

[wispy prism]

So this is my main issue atm. I usually just do whatever to get to 150% I manage it. However it's still super confusing.
I have been in testing groups, not because I'm brilliant yet because I'm an average player.
It is so complicated and there is no real official guide as to what affects what how or why. I'm just blindly going about things.

[wispy prism]

Lol

[digital cloud]

I'm sorry about that. Unfortunately, this is what it is.

If you want, theres a feedback forum for you to post your concerns/feedback/ideas. Or you can report feedback to the team by submitting a ticket

[quiet hare]

how do we increase the efficiency of the singularity scanners?

[digital cloud]

Keep them away from other buildings

[little moon]

max eff is 100%....👆🏼

[quiet hare]

cool thanks

I thought it was 150

[untold igloo]

Nee either but no

[wispy prism]

No need to be sorry.
Yes I'm aware. I have been here for 3 years. I already gave my feedback in testing and when it went live. It hasn't been acted on. I get that official guides are challenging because they will most likely change, yet it would help. I'll get something together.

[untold igloo]

Pure waist of space this Plants

[vivid cipher]

https://tenor.com/view/greys-anatomy-alex-karev-its-the-story-of-my-life-story-of-my-life-life-story-gif-22502944

[wispy prism]

I feel you. ❤️

[wispy prism]

Wow nuts. Im going for scanning so I have to keep as many corners free as possible. Last time it was way more effective to have 3 scanners at Max than multiple at lower.

[untold igloo]

You mean Scanner for Illuvials?

[noble willow]

here's my current plot. I'm playing with the theory of moving the converters so that they start their cycle at 150% and only have enough power stations to run after that, so not currently trying to get all to 150% but that shows how many stations I need to get most up there.

I also use the elements to upgrade the power stations when I have storage pretty full so that I am not wasting that fuel generation, and if I decide to sell them later then I get extra resources back.

second plot

[untold igloo]

Im really interested in Which of the game Designer playt the game and said " wow this Looks nice" this wee need to do 😂

Power plants Power plants

[noble willow]

yeah I absolutely hate the visuals of this.

[untold igloo]

Thanks i thought im alone 😂

[little moon]

must be a power plant engineer 🤣

[untold igloo]

Haha

[noble willow]

I'd be happy with a small thing like being able to hide certain building types from view, essentially just a new filter

[untold igloo]

And than they thought lets make them Upgrade with Efficientcy buuuutttt the Efficientcy is not Efficientcy is just more Electricity 😂

[untold igloo]

Yeah True i think its better with Layers you Know where you need to make pipes to the buildings but in another layer

So you can switch to the Layers like earth and normal view

[noble willow]

but not actually electricity, just physical structures all around, maybe to stop the wind blowing things over?

[untold igloo]

😂😂

[radiant sky]

scanners still work the same, but you get capped now at 5 scanners max.
(Powerstations doesn't influence scanners efficiency, so place nearby converters wisely to not impact scanners efficiency by too much 🙂 )

[noble willow]

having said that, I don't actually view this as a game. It's simply so I can generate the fuel for OW
and i'm saying stupid things, but this is still a beta game, the general public haven't been brought into the ecosystem so the $$ can't be there yet for owners, dev work sucks and I'm so glad I'm no longer in that space etc etc
Keep working on it and I expect this to still turn into a wicked series overall

[mortal mural]

You mean level?

[radiant sky]

No, amount

Well yes... Level aswell 😂

[mortal mural]

Oh I didn’t know that. Good to know. Thank you.

[fallow lily]

The reason for leveling up is to increase output, etc.. Though the time table increases as well (affected by the efficiency), this is an improvement from the previous level.

The idea is to focus on both. Increase level + efficiency = maximizing output

However, you need enough power to begin with for the building to function

Regardless, I do agree, the game does 0% in helping to understand how it works

There is definitely a fairly decent learning curve for new players starting out who never played before

[thorny crater]

ill buy these whoever has them

[mortal bough]

Should have more details available to the player in game, and in the marketplace

[thorny crater]

not 2.3k for a t1 tho lol

ill do 150 ea

[noble quest]

I'm not saying they won't happen, but they are just ideas for now, training gyms is happening though

First blueprints and mega cities

[fallow lily]

I need a mega city

[wispy prism]

Yes, plus I'm not a new player. It's still confusing. However it is still in beta and more iterations to come.

[sage bough]

Has anyone purchased a land recently and can verify the building progress transfers with it? Last I heard it was bugged.

[vivid cipher]

I’ve not heard of issues recently.

[thorny crater]

I bought when it was bugged and after it was fixed. it was fixed the last three buy so you should be good. Fuel, coins and builders reset though

[foggy bison]

I bought a T1 the day before the update. The building progress was intact. The elements and fuel were reset to 2,500 and 0 respectively. No errors, no problems (well, except for the update bugs).

[strong pewter]

Any T4 mega city’s for sale?

[hearty cradle]

@empty path

[strong pewter]

@Fraggy, whatcha got?

[hearty cradle]

oh ur looking for a MC

[strong pewter]

Yeah and I’m lazy

Not really in the mood to delve through the available plots and cross reference everything

I should but I’m tired

[empty path]

I don’t have MC just 2 fully upgraded T4 plots

[strong pewter]

What do they value at

[empty path]

They are listed at floor price, think it’s 2.625 ETH

[fallow lily]

Are there any tier 5 plots sold yet?

[empty path]

No, didn’t hear any team member talk about them anymore since the land sale.

[vivid cipher]

Same

[tranquil sparrow]

Make no sense to think a t5 plot in open beta

[empty path]

If I remember correct, the T5 have some issue to mint at land sale and they would be sold a few weeks after

[foggy sage]

So after the town hall how do people feel? I missed all of it

[empty path]

price goes up

[foggy sage]

Nice we.moon quit job in morning

[slender path]

Yes you can quit your job now and slap your boss

[empty path]

That's how I got the job

[foggy sage]

Perfect

[ionic sierra]

0,018 per crypton? really? explain me please

[hearty cradle]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-revenge-of-sith-anakin-vader-darth-vader-gif-19644107

[fierce pollen]

Anyone else keep getting stuck at this page when changing plots?
Also, since the update I'm having issues with syncing and losing progress. It's very frustrating

[foggy bison]

All the time...

[tranquil sparrow]

That stretch gets uglier

[noble willow]

yep. almost started swearing

[verbal igloo]

should be released this week, but depends on the stores approval process

thats coming as well, close to the megacities timeline I think

[empty path]

What is functionality of Podarium?

[verbal igloo]

right now it increases the chances for the plants to spawn in its area and reduces the grow time for those

[empty path]

So I might as well delete it on my T4 plots? I don't need plants 😅

[fierce pollen]

@verbal igloo hey, can you shed any light on the Syncing issue from above please?

[verbal igloo]

sure but you might need it once the update to it will hit 🙂

[verbal igloo]

sorry, which one?

[vagrant heron]

I would love to have a switch to turn off plant growth. Especially the plants entering a queue when you have no space left lol

[empty path]

Yeah that's what I was asking about, what will it do 😄

[verbal igloo]

oh, we will add some new functionalities to it, that will involve the morphopods as well

[slim wigeon]

haha answering with not answering.
As I understood this will come only in October together with Megacities?

Will builders for megacities stack?

[verbal igloo]

Can't give too many details now 😄
Not saying that will become available in the same time with Megacities. I am saying that is around that time. Might be sooner or later, not sure yet.
Yes, with the current design, the builders will stack

[empty path]

In my head there is now an panic urgent meeting because they forgot about the workers 😂

[slim wigeon]

great and we still only need one townhall, Fabricant, workshop, Zero Point, Podarium? Multiplayers are still counting per plot except landmarks but I can basically add like 30 Scanners and arround 200 research labs and on my t4 megacities as recources will be out of one pool?

[slim wigeon]

Are you selling your super built out T4s again

You will make some people happy to start directly in endgame 😉

[verbal igloo]

yes, but we are still refining the designs and limitations because we don't want to screw up the economic aspect of the ecosystem. If we realize that something of a high importance will need to be changed from the initial design, we will communicate that publicly

[slim wigeon]

You mean like megacities could become too powerful and you would adjust it to the downside

[verbal igloo]

Yes, that might be a possibility, but we are still looking into those potential issues

[true rampart]

just dont nerf fuel output by 75% again ... we dont care about the rest

[slim wigeon]

I think now that we can use own fuel to play this won't be needed if you can't sell just build more storage

[quaint prism]

Economy of fuel and IZ gameplay need to be decoupled. A weak economy shouldn't mean playing IZ is painful for T1s, and a strong economy shouldn't mean all the IZ numbers for activities / buildings / etc need to be recalibrated, ideally.

[upbeat drift]

so anyone wants some cheap T1?

with all resources and all above level 35?some even lvl 60-70

will sell close to floor

[empty path]

You already posted in #🛒〕land-dex, no need to advertise here 😉

[upbeat drift]

the more exposure,the better 😄

[rotund forum]

Good morning! Solon and Hyperion continue to drop, Crypton is a tat better but not really worth selling at this point. Good thing is they did not seem to have nerved the storage capacity so at this rate we can hoard for months 🙈

[haughty anchor]

Why is my T2 paid plot saying it's a practice land?

[heady basalt]

Does anyone know if I can use my land NFTs in the game yet? If so, is there a guide or something for transferring the land NFTs? A while back I tried to transfer my land NFTs from MetaMask to Passport, but I couldn't figure out how to do it. Any guidance would be appreciated!

[empty path]

Cause you probably have 2 plots confused

[rotund forum]

only the one with the " * " is f2p plot. Where does it say your paid land is f2p?

[empty path]

There are some guides made by the team, I assume they are in the pinned messages or the posts in #📣〕announcements somewhere. If you can't find them, you can ask a mod to find them for you

[rotund forum]

you don´t need to move it to passport anymore, that was only in the first 1-2 weeks because IMX wasn´t ready. You just make a passport account and copu paste your metamask address in the secondary wallet option. Then you can play your lands.

[noble crag]

when hotfix for broken synchronization? I'm losing progress time after time

[heady basalt]

Thank you! I will look for them.

[empty path]

https://illuvium.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/10287929717135-How-to-Migrate-your-old-account-to-Passport-system

Probably this one

[heady basalt]

Thank you! I will try to figure that out.

[rotund forum]

My biolabs seem to be alive finally. I was really starting to wonder if they were bugged or I was missing the traducer maxed out... which I did start builing and upgrading. Now I suddenly got a couple of facts, so it works

[heady basalt]

Thanks! I think that I have already done this, because I have played the Free-to-Play plot using a Passport account.

[young nacelle]

@verbal igloo 👋
This issue, may I ask,
Is team are working on it?

I already lost count how many time I close and reopen from epic store.

[noble crag]

This screen shows when synchronization breaks, so it cannot save your progress and stucks. You need to go out of the plot each minute if you do not want to lose progress

[empty path]

Is there any issue with progress getting saved? Today I open my game 2 times cause upgrade should be done to see it didn't even start

[noble crag]

see my message above

[verbal igloo]

Yes, its being worked on, should be fixed soon

[young nacelle]

Thank you.
Will appreciate announce this when resolved🙏

[raw fjord]

anyone figured how to do these missions like

researach biodata

theres no time lol

24h duration

should we just let em stay and not claim and claim only when mission comes ><

[timber sapphire]

That's what I do

[serene iris]

Just dont claim them till the missions reset.

[raw fjord]

ye gonna do that from now on i guess

[true rampart]

any zero dev present ?

[fierce pollen]

#🎮〕illuvium-zero message

This one please

[hexed abyss]

Is this just me? SIts here for many minutes then finally need to close the task manually (from task manager). Had to do 3 times in 30 minutes. Also VPN is off...

[fierce pollen]

No its a bug currently. See my message above yours

Having issues on PC and Mobile since latest update.

Unable to change plots
Syncing errors losing progress

[hexed abyss]

ok, thanks for update.

[fierce pollen]

Just waiting for Dev to check it out

[verbal igloo]

Yes, its being worked on, should be fixed soon

[empty path]

https://tenor.com/view/illuvium-illuviumio-ilv-yield-farming-gif-22225026

[cerulean steppe]

Zero suddenly started to become really fast to load and save the plots.

[tranquil sparrow]

Finally can upload photo lol
Behold my T1 (Nexus 8)
idk if this is ideal, but i find no other way to be better

[compact gate]

Anyone else having problems with Crypton gates not producing even though there's enough energy? Stuck at 5:51 left since 4 hours

[empty path]

You need more roads imo

[empty path]

Funny you say this while mine is stuck on loading again

[tranquil sparrow]

Yeah, planning to redo it after Nexus 9, too lazy

[empty path]

omfg had to restart, gotta clean 7 plants again

[radiant sky]

lucky you 🙂

[atomic zealot]

Are they gonna nerf again?

Fuel prices plummeting

[empty path]

Oh come on it's stuck on loading again, I'll be clearing the same plants all day or what

[empty path]

Ok cleared the same plant 5 times already, this is getting stupid

[uneven pulsar]

Do we know benefits from megacities?

[coral drum]

Same question

[verbal igloo]

We will communicate this once we have everything locked down

[verbal igloo]

This might be a bug actually, I will bring it up to the team. Can you please report it?

[flint compass]

Anyone know if the weekly zero mission is bugged at the moment? Wants me to complete 15 daily goals. I've completed around 30+ and still shows 0/15 completed.

[wooden hinge]

How much fuel does a tier 2 land provide daily at max?

And is the fuel transfer to Overworld a straight 1:1

[broken roost]

About 180

[broken roost]

Haven't tried it but I believe that's the case yes

[wooden hinge]

Thanks!

[vagrant heron]

That’s what I meant earlier with the plants entering a queue. It’s such a bs

[winter ivy]

Okay, Okay, Okay, I need the price to go up. I can't take this anymore. Everyday I'm checking the price and it's dipping. Everyday I check the price, bad price. I can't take this anymore man. I have over-invested, by a lot. It is what it is but I need the price to go up. Can devs do something?

[fallow lily]

Yeah its tough, but the devs can't do anything. Getting in early sometimes has its benefits, but also some potential drawbacks, like this.

Either way, you will have to give it some time. There is still a chance things could go insane

[fathom burrow]

Why are the listed lands able to be played? Fix this and people will delist their land if they want to earn

simple.. cause now people lowball the price and are still able to play them.

[fallow lily]

Let them lowball, eventually it will bought up, and then they may be priced out. Weak hands and all, blah, blah, blah 😄

[manic ginkgo]

Can't play since the latest update!

[knotty idol]

looks like 28m silicon for lvl 5 scanner

[hollow crypt]

Good heads up for land owners from @craggy shoal www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VcoQzin-JQ

[noble willow]

are they T2?

[slim wigeon]

@verbal igloo Kieran talked about blueprint minting in some weeks. Do you know with blueprint minting enabled will we also be able to craft the skins ingame and burn some illuvials?

Would be good to know so we can start buying all the super cheap shit stat illuvials from the market place to craft all the skins

[hazy tartan]

Sounds like the ideal time to speculate buy em all up before anyone else, early adopter usually the one who succeeds the most (also usually fails the most lol)

[slim wigeon]

honestly I would wait some more weeks before big updates are rolled out.
Until end of the year I think only small updates will come. With the big updates also tournaments come which will result in a much better market.

[hazy tartan]

Yeah it’ll be some time for sure but that time will go fast, assuming someone else wants to be the first mover waiting for the team to tell you when to do something probably leaves you behind

[tranquil sparrow]

i plan to wait around 3 years, but fuel price today is scary

[craggy bison]

Honestly the game gets worse and worse with every update land does not load ,crashes when switching lands ,plants can be harvested over and over ,whole thing crashes when you clear some paths WTF ?

[slim wigeon]

More and more people will start to produce more fuel so this is how it is.
Just wait for the big updates end of the year and beyond this will generate some very nice demand!

[slim wigeon]

strange don't have any issue and play every day

[craggy bison]

WOW how many lands do you have ?

[slim wigeon]

16

[tranquil sparrow]

OMG dude is a mafia

[craggy bison]

Gee no issues at all everything works 100 % ?

[slim wigeon]

yes honestly no shut downs nothing.
Also fuel conversion to play works flawlessly

[tranquil sparrow]

i guess it's more due to last update?

[craggy bison]

I have 3 gaming machines min spec i9 with rtx 380 64gb ram max spec i9 4060 rtx and a google pixel 8 pro ,crashes and screws things up on every device and i only have 3 lands

[slim wigeon]

haha this is why I went mostly for T3 and T4 it would drive me crazy
T4's were maxed for fuel in like 3 weeks generated more income the first month than I will in 4 months now lol

[slim wigeon]

mhh maybe this is it I only play it on one device

As I mostly maxed it's only harvesting fuel once a day and upgrading some reasearch labs every 3-5 days

[craggy bison]

got a t1 t2 and t3 the t1 i covered in paths to stop plants growing and its never been the same since !

even after the patch that just made it worse 😂

[slim wigeon]

So I hope they can fix that quickly for all the people who face this issue!

[craggy bison]

BTW is quantum fabricant 6 the highest it will go anyone please ?

[mortal mural]

does anybody else has an issue when staying a little too long on a plot and then changing, it takes forever to load plots?

[open stratus]

If we send fuel to OW, does that mean we lose out on the quarterly 5% share of revenue

[mortal mural]

i've been doing that too, but sometimes i forget lol, then i close the game while switching plots. and progress is lost. i've done the same thing 3 times lol.

if its just a quick collect resources, i have no problem. but when i start rearranging things and stay a few more minutes it takes a while to load other plots menu

[karmic crag]

I filed a ticket over a week ago, but i have a scanner that's stuck and won't progress, it does have power, that's not the issue. Any other suggestions, or is this a common problem?

[open stratus]

Are you sure it has enough power ? Sometimes it says it does, but actually does not

[karmic crag]

The scanner has been stuck for over a week, scan has been initiated, but timer hasn't moved at all. Can't cancel scan, sell building etc

[open stratus]

The UI will tell you it has power

[karmic crag]

Yes, I tried moving a big power plant right next to it, overkilled it, but nothing

[mortal mural]

it has happened to me in the past that i rearrange things near other buildings and they go out in power. and while the power UI shows i has power, when i click on the building it shows i has no power. sometimes i ve notice in the activity menu it has no power and it is paused

so from time to time after rearranging buildings i check each building individually just to be sure they are running

[karmic crag]

had this plus a level 8 powerplant next to it

[timber sapphire]

Yes

[karmic crag]

(lev 8 has since been moved away, just did that to test power

Separate question: do we have any info on when skins/blueprints will be transferrable for mint

ok, i'll try, have some long building timers going for lev 5 scanners/mat labs, so it iwll have to wait a while, most of these are already lev 2/3, but I'll keep at it

[mortal mural]

does anybody know the cost of scan for a lvl5 scanner?

and level 5 research

[timber sapphire]

Also lvl 1-4

[mortal mural]

try switching a higher level powerplant from somewhere else you got too much power.

[mortal mural]

lvl. 1 - 6 each fuel
lvl 2 - 9 each fuel
lvl 3 - 12 each fuel
lvl 4 - 15 each fuel

[timber sapphire]

Thx, didn't know it was that less, need to upgrade them

I'm guessing lvl 5 would be 18 each then

[mortal mural]

im guessing too. i got like a day until my scanner 5 finishes upgrading. i just wanted to know upfront if i wanted to upgrade my other scanners since i got a lot of tier 4 and 3 biodata left to find.

[timber sapphire]

Well I have no idea I have level 1s haha

[thorny crater]

Ayyyyyy you remember me haha. So I think I’ll need to get both storages to lvl 9….i could build a 3rd but gross lol

[thorny crater]

I’m guessing 5 would be 18 fuel each if the preteen is the same

About to get a to 4s now, will work in lvl 5 next

[rapid tartan]

I'm actually pretty surprised that land owners haven't voted to make their land more valuable #1283335080709980160 .

[devout panther]

Hi guys if i sell some lands i lose my upgrade on it ?

( I mean also if i list it ? )

[gritty wave]

how are people feeling about zero after yesterdays ama?

[rapid tartan]

zero is getting mega cities soon, which will cater to a small % of people, i believe that was one of the only updates on it

[rapid tartan]

looks like land continues to dump, so i dont think people felt good about the ILZ portion

tier 3 land has been selling for about $1200 bucks, which is incredibly concerning

[junior hollow]

yeah mega cities will only affect whales. i guess if you're a whale you might be feeling good

[junior hollow]

don't really care about prices right now, just care about producing fuel to play overworld

[rapid tartan]

did you vote on my proposal?

[junior hollow]

i don't ever vote lol

[rapid tartan]

#1283335080709980160 please do this time

just takes a thumbs up

we need 25

[rapid tartan]

you have to click the hyperlink and itll take you to the proposal in discord where you can thumbs up it there