🎮〕illuvium-zero

[icy thicket]

https://tenor.com/view/adil-rule22-gif-24323980

I haven't been able to scan for biodata or blueprints cause my land is CRYPTON poor

[serene iris]

Oh! That's higher than I thought

[noble willow]

what length of time is that?

[mortal bough]

Fuel prices did not go up, but land value went down with the production

Would love to hear some feedback from the team on this. I bought my land and within a week it was nerfed, now if I wanted to sell it I would receive half my money for it.

[crimson plaza]

Wtf, how can you write 3 paragraph and literally say nothing.

Also if it is because of balance this is the dumbets shit ever. We can juste convert fuel to other fuel if we want to sell it. I just paid 600 for my 6 converters for nothing

This is so dumb

[icy thicket]

Still feel that land should have been "nerfed slightly" to reduce the speed we were progressing
But also reduce the cost of travels in the overworld

[mortal bough]

This was supposedly a temperary reduction in fuel production by 4x. It did not improve the value of the fuel but hurt the players supporting tbe game. This needs to be fixed.

[serene iris]

That was the exact same though I had lol... what is this gibberish word salad.

I am levelling all my converters to 5 for now. Will re-evaluate layer

[mortal bough]

I will never let this go, as it feels to me like I got rug pulled. Needs to be fixed, hoping the team comes up with better ideas then changing the vaule of peoples investment artificially. RESTORE MY LANDS VAULE AND FUEL PRODUCTION. please.

[noble willow]

can you remove your nexus once everything is max level to save space, just say you want to have your scanner have room around it, but have built up everything else and kept the nexus there until you're ready to scan

[mortal bough]

19 days since the patch and no improvement in fuel prices

https://illuvium.io/news/illuvium-zero-patch-notes-1-0-4-fuel-economy-patch

Change it back!

[noble willow]

ok

[serene iris]

Yup my thoughts too... gibberish response makes no sense

[vivid cipher]

Umm I have no idea. That’d be super risky to test I’d think.

Oh lol. Saw that you can’t sell it. Smart.

[serene iris]

In fairness I built 3 L6 converters before I noticed, so if they were rushing it out maybe they didn't notice

[swift creek]

Has anyone tryied to sell fuel. I have listed it at market price since one week still not sold. This is first time I am selling so not sure. Does it take that long. ???

[serene iris]

According to the Ui it is different. It's very hard to tell when claiming I havnt paid enough attention to it to know

[swift creek]

Anyone care to reply. Thanks

[serene iris]

You will never sell at market price... im not sure how they reach that number, my guess is the average price is taken over to long of a time period for the number to be useful

[swift creek]

So how to find out what the current price people are buying to list

[serene iris]

You either guess what the price is or use the current buy price to work out what you need to sell at, which is pretty fidely to, but works consistently

If you add the fuel bonus to the buy price you can work out the going rate and sell slightly lower

Or higher if your patient, but prices do seem to be trending down atm

I think a lot of people havnt worked this out or don't have to time to stuff around so they are dumping fuel cheap. Prices are going to keep lowering for a bit I think

You can see the market fluctuate like crazy atm

Don't tease me I can't take another cut!

[hearty cradle]

bonus was higher last night

[serene iris]

I think we are seeing a downturn in fuel being bought with the milestones being gone. People are just spending 1-2 hours a day doing the daily/weekly missions.

Demand is reduced at the moment

I think leaderboards would encourage people to fill out their collections faster and probably increase demand

[hardy brook]

That and most of the committed players have already grinded OW to death in season 1. They're not doing that now and we've no new blood coming in.

[hearty cradle]

yup its all about demand

[serene iris]

We will have a clearer idea after the AMA tonight... hopefully

[hearty cradle]

E2

[serene iris]

I am quietly buying fuel cheap when I see extra cheap spikes, but to be honest if it keeps going down for a extended period it might be a terrible idea

I am struggling to sell the fuel I make every day and I'm max extractors close to max converters

It requires a lot of micro managing

[magic ginkgo]

some land only have 1 Fuel sites, is that have other free Fuel like free land ser?

[serene iris]

Well you could just slash the price and sell quick, but im being patient and trying to sell as high as possible.

[tardy falcon]

from easy money to easy fiddy cents

[inner ice]

Purchased credits yesterday and still dont have them, anyone else?

[serene iris]

It should be instant

[inner ice]

Yupp it used to be that for me also

[proper quail]

stuck on loading screen... anyone else has this issue ?

[open stratus]

Need to be able to use my own fuel

[fallow lily]

How long does it typically take for your fuel to sell on avg?

[radiant sky]

working fine for me

[verbal igloo]

Check your VPN or internet connection

[verbal igloo]

Please contact our customer support

[fickle loom]

What does this yellow frame exactly mans? It takes 288 hours to fill 100% and that generates 6 Hyperion? So after 144 hours 3 hyperions?

[fickle loom]

Depends on the fuel and on the price...

[open stratus]

That's the "timer". Halfway you can collect and it resets (or if you upgrade it)

[fickle loom]

thx my friend

[open stratus]

Is the converter passive reduced by your pathing bonus?? If so, that's quite substantial

I don't have 6 days to sit around and watch unfortunately

[hearty cradle]

guys whats the max level of nexus?

[empty path]

9

[hearty cradle]

thx

wht do u guys do with the excess elements

[open stratus]

Ideally you don't upgrade / store them if you don't need them. Frees up space

I mean once I upgrade, my one plot will be carbon free essentially. (No crypton extractors)

[fickle loom]

For every Biodate to 1 receive 1 dron skin and 1 armor skin or is there a change to get more than one of each?

[timber glacier]

no, passive isn't influenced by paths

[open stratus]

Thanks, and dang. That kinda sucks

[sturdy prairie]

Does anyone know how long it would take to scan a blueprint only once?

[pearl marten]

Nothing...
That's why a lot of ideas about 6-9 months ago (maybe more) were suggesting an Element sink ... there are things that could be done to gain something from elements

[pearl marten]

I guess your question is to scan a biodata .. if so then it's once/24hrs minus your path bonus (which is a time reduction bonus for activities like scanning/researching/extracting etc)

[sturdy prairie]

OK

[radiant sky]

Something arround 4 drone blueprint and 15 armor Blueprint each biodata

[uneven pulsar]

why sto much for each stage of pocemon 15 armor print? How will it display on pocemon&)

[radiant sky]

Blueprints are recipes to Make skins for the drones and the Ranger suits... NOT skins for illuvials

[uneven pulsar]

oh i see thanky

but I don't understand how Bluprints 1 for armor can change suit ranger like Rhamphite(

[sturdy prairie]

Is there any use in collecting plants?

[verbal igloo]

they reward you with random elements

[pearl marten]

When some MCs leaks? 😅

[verbal igloo]

We don't have anything to share as of right now 🙂

[calm trout]

so skins for illuvials later in the game then? I would suggest to make blueprints also have a maximum of possible usages so you cant craft infinite. then illuvium team could control rarity a bit better

[pearl marten]

The best way to control this imo could be if you can't research (successfully) biodata more than once - meaning if you get a Blueprint, that biodata disappears
In the rare case you get it back you can research it once more

Don't worry about creating too many skins as each skin will require an Illuvial to be burnt in the making

[pearl marten]

At least hope the progress is going well 🙂

Can you share if this is still the same as always was suggested ? -> To create a skin you will have to burn an Illuvial alongside the other ingredients/costs in the recipe

I've asked it a few days ago but still no reply to it
Maybe also @bitter glade can shed some light on the subject ?

[compact nebula]

Yes we need to burn the Bp after skin is created

[pearl marten]

This is nonsense ... there is a looot you need to do and invest until you get a BP ... burning it after creating just 1 skin would make them either extremely expensive or basically no one would bother getting them

just curios how many BPs have you successfully researched so far?

I hope i never see proof of this honestly 😄 ... but i really don't think the team considered this

[fair temple]

Finally an outlet for trash illuvials though! Failed fuse -> at least you can make a skin

[pearl marten]

But this was always the idea -> to craft a skin you need the BP for it + solon + dye + Illuvial (which will be burnt)

If this won't happen then we have no other deflationary mechanism for Illuvials aside fusing -> which is rarely used especially now with the buff in finding high stage illuvials in OW

[vocal pasture]

fuel DCA 😛 brave man!

Next step: future contracts for fuel between landowners and players 😛

before futures ETF

😛

[pearl marten]

It has always been the case
@radiant sky maybe you still have the skin recipe image that was around when the Podarium was first introduced? I can't find it

[radiant sky]

That Info is so old, not sure it is wise to share again, since likely Stuff changed arround blueprints and skins.
Even dye's got implemented afterwards, who knows what Else has changed.
I would rather wait on fresh Info, which should actually come soon, AT least according to the timelines in kierans Launch IIP

[pearl marten]

Yeah but i was just trying to say/prove that illuvial burning in the process was always the case... if not anymore then God help us

I can't use them 😄 ... it's like i don't have them. Raised a ticket weeks ago but still got no answer on it

From what i know, people are making skins only with solon but BPs aren't really implemented yet

Me too .. but i can't see them in my inventory

Will do

[vocal pasture]

Lolol who’s selling selling naked shorting? :p

[radiant sky]

Btw.... Alpha bp's just need solon to craft skins last time i saw

[pearl marten]

Thank you!

[minor hazel]

ahhh an Aapon of culture I see

[split root]

How do you sell resources now ???

talking about Zero , so there is no ingame auction house to build now lol

[rotund forum]

Whilst travelling stopped at a gasstation a moment and tried my luck. That seems to work 😆

[radiant sky]

oh damn
now i need to buy a car to try that aswell

[pearl marten]

All that in one day??? ... can you buy me a lottery ticket please?

[rotund forum]

Must be the abnormal summer rain … or my wife driving 😅

[fathom ridge]

Kieran's next Town Hall is confirmed to be on <t:1726102800:F>

We will update the discord events soon.

Please share any questions you have in this thread.

https://discord.com/channels/760344898200666112/1280830222333382678

[rotund forum]

If I say something untrue ever it is derived from my ignorance. I have no need to ever lie 😀

[thorny crater]

been raining here for 3-4 days now

[unborn heron]

Can we buy fuel to develop the lands faster?

[signal canyon]

no

[unborn heron]

thanks

[tribal zealot]

looks like this figure was close... around 750 daily paying players

[thorny crater]

how are these numbers being formed? im am super curious as well

[tribal zealot]

I did my own calculation but Kieran just stated it during his AMA with scoriox

[thorny crater]

ah crap i forgot about that AMA

is on youtube yet ?

[tranquil sparrow]

yep, it's cool talk

[kind wave]

On illuvidex. How do i see my own stuff? It used to be easy, now i see nowhere on here that lets me see lands and bluprints I hold

[tribal zealot]

yee

[stiff talon]

So if it's in your hardware wallet that you won't be able to see. What I did is I favourited my lands and that's how I'm able to see them. You need to click on your profile and you can click between Assets and Favourites.

[thorny crater]

is the link somewhere i searched in youtube for illuvium ama but getting other things

ama video

[tribal zealot]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hdbeXYrb_8

[mortal mural]

Is life compensating for your wife driving?

[thorny crater]

https://tenor.com/view/vasu-gif-5203487

[kind wave]

maybe i'm just blind...... i don't see anywhere to switch to assets.

[jade ruin]

hey guys! how it’s going iz??

[quiet ocean]

Hi one question its worth to buy t1 land?

[spring jetty]

fuel doesnt sell again

anyone able to sell today, at what price?

[empty path]

I just sold some

[spring jetty]

at what price? and when did you come back

[empty path]

Dirt cheap

I just look in the ledger

[spring jetty]

are we only able to sell at floor price again

[stiff talon]

You see next to the play now is your profile - click your ranger name and a drop down will appear. Click profile and underneath your wallet address is assets and you can switch assets to favourites. Hope that helps!

[quiet ocean]

Hi one question its worth to buy t1 land?

[gritty wave]

maybe for 100

[quiet ocean]

ok

[inland shore]

So in summation the AMA tells us land holders too bad stop whining

[empty path]

Not at all

[inland shore]

Still no word on when we can take our own fuel into the overworld

[empty path]

He replied, it's as good as ready, they just have to deploy it. Should be coming imminent

[vestal raft]

I am a bit unsure how these blueprints will eventually work....

as an example I got these 3 on one of my plots.

So for the Grilla blueprint, that is from the lesser Grilla... and you could also find 2 more for the higher stages, which is fine. But this one will only be for Apexguard Stage 1 armor... same for the Stoic Emberlynx bluepriont, that will only work on Aeroweave Strage 1 armor. (not sure how the Bach Stage 1, will work, didnt know there would be stages for drones 🙂 )

So, isnt this going to make waaaay too many combinations?

I think it would make more sense if the blueprints will work on an "armor series" across the 3 stages of the armor. otherwise I dont see how blueprints for a stage1 armor will have any value. (personally I would only use the blueprints on my stage 3 armor), and it will also create too many combinations, and I think we need to keep this more simple.

(But maybe I am misunderstanding something)

[inland shore]

He couldn't give a date is my point

[empty path]

They just patch stuff when it's ready, I don't think they have to ask him when they can do it.

[open stratus]

What will it do to fuel price though ? It may reduce some supply, cause some people to hold instead of sell

[white axle]

I suddenly have to enter a security code when logging in via passport again, but then i cant log through, also the code is not very clear.

[tribal zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/ocean-park-roy-chiken-chicken-rooster-gif-12055150029534145737

[shell needle]

Yeah, very hard to read the code, at least on mobile... 😕

[pearl marten]

Makes sense.. i think this will actually be the case with the BP working for the 3 stages of that specific armor

[fallow rampart]

I have a T2 and 3 T1 all around nexus 7. Is there anywhere I could find some tips I could do next?

[blissful thunder]

can I rent land, and sell fuel from it?

[bitter dagger]

I have problem with my withdrawal. I asked it there 3 days ago and it still not appear in my metamask wallet account. The money diseappeared of my balance but not appear in my metamask wallet. The step 1 and 2 are done. But now what should I do to get my money?

[vapid jolt]

Yes, you can.

[blissful thunder]

how to connect rented land to account?

[vapid jolt]

On your Illuvidex account you should be able to add a secondary wallet under 'settings'

Just scroll down and you'll see a 'Linked Secondary Wallet' option

[blissful thunder]

ty!

[vapid jolt]

np, enjoy

[mortal mural]

Save some for the rest

[vapid jolt]

Did it work ?

[vapid jolt]

We have 1 available land for rent, lmk if you're still interested

[primal aspen]

I’m Interested

[vapid jolt]

Any particular Tier that you're interested? Have you already played IZ?

[vivid cipher]

I believe you are likely waiting for steps 15 and 16 of this guide.

https://illuvium.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/10360673160463-How-to-withdraw-your-assets-from-ImmutableX-Layer-2-into-Ethereum-Layer-1

So then you’ll be able to do the STAGE 2 steps.

[pastel crater]

@vapid jolt ty man now i dont have the time anymore but i will dm you maybe in the future thanks for the trust 😘

[next juniper]

Holy cow. How many lands do you own?😳

[vapid jolt]

np mate, I'll be here🫡

[next juniper]

Best one I have found. Got it 2 days ago.

[bitter dagger]

@vivid cipher i finally resolved my problem thank you

[sturdy prairie]

If I transfer or sell the land, will the buildings on the land be removed or retained?

[open stratus]

They will stay

[vapid jolt]

We have one T1 available, lmk if you're interested I'll reserve it for you

[mortal mural]

does someone has the element biodata chance per region chance?

someone had a sheet on it

[open stratus]

So what are we going to do this time about the over supply ?

Cut another 75% ?

[minor hazel]

definitely not temporarily lowering the 19:1 ratio to adjust supply that's for sure

[open stratus]

Yeah the 19 seems to not be helping much

[open stratus]

Did it not already ? And let's be honest.. what revdis

[rotund forum]

Not more than the biodata I found but for the rest I am a private person so you’ll have to do with that. I also posted 4 days long I found 0 so it is what it is. No lies and no exaggerations.

[next juniper]

Understandable. I also had a day when I didn’t get anything. Guess it’s random🫠

[thorny crater]

Today just a fact off 2 lands with 5 scanners lol

A single fact. It’s not cheap and you only get 5% chance

[slim ice]

I filled the floor with parth tiles and now I can't play the plot :S and I can't even reset the plot because the game crashes every time I open the plot, what to do?

[twilit bough]

Welcome to the club....

[unkempt bronze]

Land values have dropped so much in one week its disgusting

[cloud lark]

need it to drop more

[timid sorrel]

My singularity scanner has been stuck at 20 hours for almost 2 days. It has enough power. What’s wrong?

[nimble lichen]

add more power

[prisma swift]

Has anyone been able to sell fuel, or even blueprints?

[tardy falcon]

t1 def yes...

t4 could still come down more. I'd be interested in a t4 when I get some dry powder in a couple weeks... at 1.5eth

[fallow lily]

I plan to grab a 3. Just waiting for a bit more of a drop

[rotund forum]

Well they can always do another economy patch II and repeat that till we are 5 people left in the economy. I wonder if that is happening currently. When I checked one full day there were 550 unique wallets paying. Maybe this is decreasing instead of increasing. The revenue seems to stay more or less the same 4 eth a day… so maybe it is just more guys reaching endgame producing more fuel to the same 550 guys paying. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[prisma trout]

@south mural
I'm still playing my land a little at a time. I get bored as well, & no pc to play OW, so I go back & play Pokemon go to catch the new mons that are out. I don't mind grinding since I'm L47 out of L50. It"s just so slow & frustrating at the moment. Finally got my nexus to L7 & hoping to get enough hyperion sometime to start the next upgrade. 80 hyperion to upgrade to the next L nexus seems just a bit steep to me since fuel is sooo slow producing. Atm I'm leveling up my passives to help a bit since all I have is hyperion so, I have to use passives to do crypton & solon.
Are you able to do the daily missions? I'm finding them just a bit difficult in IZ.

[prisma trout]

@south mural
Wow, this is so rediculous to be so expensive to even upgrade the things you need to even play. I don't mind grinding if I'm getting somewhere. I limed the alpha version wat better. I would love to see it go back to that, at least for us lower level landowners. It was a lot of grinding, but at least I got blueprints out of it...something for my hard work. Forgive my typos, Ineed to crash. I am 68 years old and loved this game at first, but am slowly losing patience...lol
Goodnight & keep doing what you are doing. I took your advice & am concentrating on leveling up the nexus & only important necessary buildings😄

[tall crypt]

Very unuseful work...

[tall crypt]

if You transfer externaly IMX transfer You lose all. If You transfer by Passport and then passport to IMX You lose constructor, elements and fuel

[light oriole]

Can anyone access their free land plots today? I get stuck on the loading screen, and I even tried on 2 different units with the same result (Ipad and cell phone)

[minor hazel]

mine is working fine on PC/has been all day

[unborn heron]

For the short term, what's more profitable on a T1 Land right now: fuel or blueprints?

[narrow bear]

i would be keen to pick up T3 land at like 500-800$ if it goes that low (im not sure what the current value of it is) because i like playing the game but cba paying for fuel constantly

[wraith garnet]

still no way to use own fuel for overworld?

or is the buy, sell ratio fixed

[versed warren]

Whats your thoughts on 150$ t1 plots

[wraith garnet]

worth it to buy if u ask me... if game gets traction and they fix fuel issues this is an very good entry point

i also really enjoy the game...

[versed warren]

I might take my chances and wait till it hits 50$

There still about 6 months before any changes are made that will make any waves in the space

[digital wasp]

as far as i know, the weekly missions are scored when they are completed, aren't they? Can someone please confirm or correct this?

[wraith garnet]

smart 😉 everyone has his strategy 🙂

[minor hazel]

the points are added to your total as they complete

[limpid quest]

Good day Zero players

Can you help me with question from community member please? Would be great

"as higher the scandevice as higher the tier i suges? since i saw a post someone got a ramphy biodata"

[digital wasp]

yes thanks - that was my recollection too. where can i turn (i was not credited with 12,000 points)? zero has never responded to a support request.

[minor hazel]

are you trying to parse what that quote is trying to ask?

seems like they're trying to understand scanner levels and biodata e.g. level 1 scanner can only find tier 1 biodata...level 3 has a chance to find up to tier 3 biodata but can find anything in 1/2/3 at random...so it would take a level 5 scanner to have a chance to find tier 5 Ramphy biodata

[open stratus]

They won't get to 50$ i will buy them all

[limpid quest]

I'm not sure, since I don't play IZ

Thank you very much for your answer!

[thorny crater]

I deleted a power station so move another upgraded power station in its place.

After I tried to move the upgraded one, I got an error and the game restarted.

The issue. A plant spawned after I deleted the power station which cause the error cause I was trying to move the upgraded power station there. But now everytime I clear the plant and try to move the power station there I get the error, a reload, and a new plant appears

This is my 3rd time removing this plant. And when I try to move a power station to it. I’ll get another error, game reloads, another plant is there

Now on round 4

I’m making a ticket as well. Maybe plants can’t grow until the game is off/you plot is not the plot loaded up?

Im guessing there is a “chain of plants” that continue to grow under buildings and if we delete/move a building they will start growing over and over?

I’m on round 6 now. Same plant spot

[sturdy prairie]

Will I lose buildings and fuel by transferring through this?

[thorny crater]

2 parts to that question.
You “can transfer” and not lose buildings. That’s just normal.

As for fuel the only way that won’t reset is if you have connected your secondary wallet to Illuvium. Then transfer to that wallet.

Example: I did not want my land in the passport I wanted it in my cold wallet. So I connected it, then move all my land there. Everything stayed the same

I would HIGHLY recommend following the guides, but scoriox has a step by step youtube on this as well

[fair temple]

#1281927427756654653 message

I personally think we should not affect Zero-gameplay with future nerfs/boosts in fuel production. You would have times like now where you cant upgrade buildings because you produce close to 0 fuel or later if we get +800% that storages are full almost instantly and require multiple sales per day.

So I wrote this idea to decouple fuel production changes with the gameplay and only implement this boost/nerf at the point of listing. I would appreciate some feedback from the true diehards and personal experiences, as i might be way off here 🙂 @radiant sky @south mural @prisma trout @tall crypt

I do think it might feel similar to the "Bonus" fuel idea here. But in this case it actually makes sense as we have a hard bottom line. The progression experience in IZ that forms a foundation for what you would expect in fuel sales.

Then with nerfs you would have Base-X% and with boosts you would see Base +X%

[thorny crater]

New ticket with this ticket lol. The timer says 60secs for the plant to be removed. But since I am on discord and not on the zero app the timer doesn’t go lol

[radiant sky]

heared of that issue before.
Seems there is a "digital buffer" for plants if they can't grow.
So as soon as you make space for a plant to grow, they start spawning out of that buffer.
So you have to be patient and clear those plants until all are spawned.

Just what i read in here from other players, haven't seen an official answer to that.
A bug report ingame would be appreciated 🙂

[thorny crater]

Got ya. I made a ticket about it. I did add that maybe if that “digital buffer” aspect did not activate until the land is not loaded up actively in game. It does not execute, until another land is loaded or the game is off may be an easy fix.

Just a little aggravating cause I want to upgrade another building, which will take a day or two, but that converter has no power. So I want the passive aspect to go too lol

[sweet egret]

how does a optimized fuel T1 plot looks like? Should I go for alot fuel converters with 50% efficiency?

[radiant sky]

Nice, thanks mate 🙂
i don't think it is intentioned to work like that.
sounds more like there's a bug somewhere.

[hazy tartan]

Lot of different takes, I like 1 of each at 150% and as many above 100% as possible. Was able to squeeze 21 converters total with 1 of each at 150%

[knotty sable]

So is T4 land even worth the money? Seems like it’s going to take a decade before those land owners might even brake even?

[sweet egret]

thx for inspiration! 🙂

[low river]

depends 100% on the adoption. If the games becomes popular probably the ROI will be faster to get

[hazy tartan]

Imo the key is to perfectly space from the first one placed in a corner, about a 5 space buffer between each converter unless it’s got very high efficiency then you can afford the -30% by placing one right near it to have multiple at 110-ish percent

I also have nexus 9 to maximize out my efficiency and hopefully be able to get a few more plus the top left hasn’t been touched for another probably 2 or a podariun,research, etc.

At l3 my 21 converters net me about 42 additional fuel every 2/3 days on top of the 24 per day I’m getting at current levels

[light oriole]

I still cannot access my land plot. It gets stuck on the "Loading Plot..." screen. Tried on phone, Ipad and PC. Any devs or supports online?

[rotund forum]

i wonder how much time that will take. If 1 is 5 minutes and they grow under buildings there might already be 50 or so? That is a lot of 5 minute clicking

[rotund forum]

well, it seems to be in evolution still. I counted 4 years roi having bought with sILV but now even after the patch offer is growing and demand is not, so is it worth it? I like the game, but endgame is 3 minutes clicking a day. So although they plan to add stuff, right now it gets a little bit short gameplay (after like 5-6 weeks maxing everything out).

[radiant sky]

I didn't experienced it yet myself, but i guess they spawn as usual AT s1 so it's 1 min.
But can still take some good amount of time i guess 😄

[rotund forum]

on one plot I have one full databank and I actually have to delete lower tiers to make room for higher ones. It is a pity. I will try to remove trees till I can build a new databank.

because right now it is quite a jungle

[radiant sky]

Yea, i don't Like that limited System too much

Imagine we go into Set 2 and later in Set 3.
Always delete Stuff down the road, which might would have value in future
And it's basically money you delete since you paid fuel to either Scan or research that data

[rotund forum]

But you have to remove them and then reload? And repeat this until it stays clear after you reload?

[rotund forum]

Yeah plus the chance of finding that same T1 again instead of a T5 actually increase 😱

I do hope that when wave 2 hits you can also upgrade databanks at least double the amount.

Btw I got 2 t5 the same ones as yesterday on another plot so yes they are t5 but the common ones apparently.

And blueprints nothing. It seems a lot harder

[quiet heath]

Finally a full page....

[rotund forum]

wow nice, first T4s3 I see

[quiet heath]

Hopefully those 2 will be worth something

[empty path]

https://tenor.com/view/meme-elmo-fire-gif-8852672061336133066

[quiet heath]

[radiant sky]

chance is the same since you actually can find the same data multiple times, right?

[random cobalt]

Anyone know if our exp points continue to accumulate in the background past lvl 201 such that in the future if we can achieve higher than 201 our points will kick in and we'll jump to our true lvl at that time?

[radiant sky]

unknown

[random cobalt]

I was afraid of that. I'm, trying to determine if I keep collecting and forfeiting resources when my storage is full...

[wicked lark]

Anyone else not having their fuel sell on the market?

[inland shore]

fuel is irrlevant right now. I would just focus on upgrading your land and collecting blue prints. They killed fuel and it won't recover untill they get 100k DAu here

[wicked lark]

so now we have to get blueprints... again.. after they bombed last time? lol

[barren turtle]

I sold about $10 worth in a few weeks, but it takes a while. I list at avg market value

[empty path]

I sell my fuel daily

[fallow lily]

I am going to try to hold my fuel until prices rise a bit

[thorny crater]

I’m still trying to fully max my site lol

Close on my t3 I finally get back to have 200+ and growing now.

But never stopping 4 scanners and 5 labs is costly

[fallow lily]

Interesting thought, I will definitely consider that, as it makes a lot of sense

[brazen brook]

what is better for a t3, all converters or put a scanner

[open stratus]

I did one of each

If you have the space, I like completion myself, plus converters atm don't do a TON of generation

On a t3 you getting it from extractors

[fallow lily]

Me too lol. I'm now producing a good amount of fuel, but there is still a long way to go

Plus efficiency

[leaden egret]

Hi all, don’t know if some here also have this problem, I m blocked at level 201 from many days, what’s wrong ?… 🤔

And now lol

[fair temple]

201 is the max level 😄

[leaden egret]

Oh ! Why ?!

[fair temple]

Because i said so!

Lol i dont make the rules

[leaden egret]

lol that s a good one 😂

[fair temple]

So yeah for now 201 is the cap!

We all have that same problem :]

[leaden egret]

For real then…
Well, as long as we keep growing our points and the day they decide to make the cap infinite to make people reach the real level they deserve it s fine for me 🤗

[fair temple]

The level cap needs to be at least 9000.

[fair temple]

Well i would understand them adding a max level since they added rewards to them. If you give rewards indefinitely, you reduce the amount that players may want to spend. "I just grind 50 lvls and can get this builder for free"

So it is smart not to be too hasty and allow for changes to be made.

How about a specific building unlock though.

Just random numbers and ideas: That would be neat. Lvl 1000 unlocks the fleet beacon -> can participate in PVP xD

Not a bad call at all! I just wanted to make sure free money wasnt the primary purpose haha

[tribal zealot]

no... it's needs to be over 9000

https://tenor.com/view/vegeta-its-over9000-gif-14419267

[wheat flume]

How much do the path help max ?

[tardy falcon]

20% time reduction bonus max

[lyric hamlet]

Finally maxed my t1

[fair temple]

@atomic cove 5 minute slowmode in community content.

I wonder why people should list their land. What if it gets sold? Then they cant play on their plot anymore 👀

Also a thinner floor usually is better optics for a project.

[atomic cove]

they're not listing to sell. It's a renting market 😅

[fair temple]

Oh list on that platform!

[atomic cove]

yes 👍

they want to start working with illuvium

I'm just giving them a hand

[fair temple]

Ohh i only read the part on discord lol

It didnt hqve list on the site for renting. Only "if they list ANY land" lol

And listing usually means put up for sale.

[atomic cove]

yeah maybe the wording could be improved

[fair temple]

It is fine on twitter. But discord didnt show the important wording further into the post ^^

[normal escarp]

Is it a known issue that some plots just get stuck in “plot loading” and never actually loads? Just one of my plots having this issue at the moment but not sure how to resolve it. Been out of the loop the past week on the ol honeymoon.

[fair temple]

Yes quite a few people encounter this issue for numerous reasons. Did you per chance deck the entire square area out with paths? Very common issue and in that case you cant really get into the plot anymore until the next patch.

[normal escarp]

Nope, didn’t do that. Odd, but I’ll keep trying! Thanks Garf

[fair temple]

Make a report in the app. Add your plot number and they may be able to figure something out? 👀

[vapid jolt]

Hey! Just to clarify, we’re a rental marketplace, so when users list their lands, they’re listing them for rental, not for sale.

With high demand for land rentals, we're offering a small incentive to get more landowners familiar with LootRush, especially those who might have excess lands or aren’t actively playing IZ right now.

Hope this helps clear things up!

[tranquil sparrow]

With max converters?

[timber sapphire]

how do you increase the efficiency of singularity scanners?

[little moon]

they need to be away from any building

they like isolated spots...LOL

[vocal pasture]

I think they only get affected negatively by other stuff, never positively by power stations…

[placid finch]

where can i see the fuel prices ?

[vocal pasture]

Everything fuel related nearby reduces 10%

[radiant sky]

not just fuel related, every building except powerstations reduce the efficiency for scanners.

[vocal pasture]

Elements extractors too?

[polar cosmos]

https://immutascan.io/address/0xc8b9cc6dfcdc0e9665d46c8cad19b25d862566eb

someone lost patience

[vocal pasture]

You re right

[dawn spade]

Hi guys are there any tutorial to learn the basic of zero, overworld and arena?

[little moon]

Search YouTube for Scoriox. He has some good videos

[dawn spade]

Thanks!

[timber sapphire]

i thought in alpha they got efficiency from data bank too or did i not remember correctly

[vocal pasture]

Seems it is neutral from databanks

[atomic cove]

so how are we feeling now that fuel prices are at the same pre-nerf price?

Where are all the homies that said it wasn't a nerf now?

Looking forward to the next fuel production nerf where we actually succeed in breaking the IZ game.

[jagged brook]

How many biodata can discovered in IZ?

[broken roost]

I'm done with illuvium for the short term. I'll be back when and if the game is actually fun, until then I'll be just keeping an eye out. I'm not listening to more "we will do this and that", no more false expectations or deadlines, only already applied, working features will bring me back. Sorry not sorry

[jagged brook]

[broken roost]

I'll be farming my 150 daily fuel from t2 though, unless it sells

[sharp elk]

It wasn’t a nerf.

The price of fuel is dependent on the amount of fuel being bought by OW players.

There is no reality where landowners make money if people don’t buy fuel in OW.

[atomic cove]

prices are too high. That's why players are not buying. Pretty simple. And yes it was a nerf.

[sharp elk]

Saying it was a nerf doesn’t make it true.

Whether lands produce 1000 fuel per day or 10 fuel per day, the income is still the same.

Personally I think they should just 100x the fuel production, just so that people who don’t understand how the system works would be briefly overjoyed. 😏

[atomic cove]

previous values were fine. No need to 100x. I don't know how you can still say it wasn't a nerf but ok. Wtv suits you m8.

their target travel prices are too high. Hard to deny that.

[sharp elk]

Just reality.

They could 1000x the production and landholders would be no better off.

[atomic cove]

just have to know how to read markets.

[atomic cove]

the only way to not consider it a nerf would be if the prices increased by 4x. Which didn't happen.

it just shows how overpriced we still are.

[sharp elk]

The prices didn’t 4x because the market was crashing.

Think of it like this…

If they increased fuel production by 4x do you genuinely think landholders would earn 4x the money per week?

Just common sense would tell you that isn’t true.

[atomic cove]

"the market was crashing" 🤣

love it

bro players are just waiting on the sidelines for the prices to fall so they can buy.

[sharp elk]

Sorry. I should say the market was crashing, and continues to crash.

Better?

[atomic cove]

lower the price, higher the demand.

[sharp elk]

Erm…

Ok that would be nice. 😬

I better leave it there. Sounds good. 🙂

[open stratus]

1:19 sounds pretty good

[celest wagon]

💀

[carmine grotto]

what about being able to use your own fuel for overworld? isn't it a good alternative? it's better to nerf land production? this is not logical

[rotund forum]

I don’t really get people who pop in, unload their frustration and then go till the next day and the next repeating themselves. Just sell and get on with your life. Sure, you can vent frustrations every now and then but if that becomes your daily task, it is kind of a waste of time for you (and everyone else reading it).

[rotund forum]

This will be in the next patch. Won’t solve the fuel demand that much but it will make some people happy for a while. So it is in the pipeline, imminent, yet no set date yet.

[carmine grotto]

it's confirmed for the next patch? thx god halleluia

[rotund forum]

Regarding the tree “bug” it really does work. Just mow everything down, this takes some time as all are fully grown trees, so 5 minites each but once you do that you login again and mow everything down only taking 1 minute. Repeat that for… quite a while and problem solved. I do hope they come with a bugfix for this though, it was a bit of a hassle to do it like this

[rotund forum]

Well, it was in that last scoriox ama with kieran and sam i think his name is.

Regarding the databanks, you will need 4 maxed out ones for all biodata currently but blueprints also take up space and not sure on facts. But you’ll need like 6 at least. Good thing is they are only 2x2 and I think they require no or little energy.

[fair temple]

Yep would make everyone's life easier 🙂

[unborn heron]

Does anyone have a list of Upgrade Cost of Fuel Extractors?

[tardy falcon]

Lemme get that axe bro... gotta chop off the other leg XD

[tardy falcon]

It's just really bad times right now. I glad I don't rely on the investment so most of my trolling/bitching is not as bad as it could be 🤪 But I could understand the negativity based on unfulfilled promises, broken system, lack of communication, etc. It's really about broken trust... there were certain levels of reasonable expectations and those have not been met and have significantly fell short.

Most of us are married to the project... you don't just sell your illuvitar collection or land portfolio and move on... especially if that means a 70-80% loss. The muck we are in are part of the consequences of team decisions as well as market conditions. Bad recipe right now.

[broken roost]

You don't have to get it. Sure, you can read and reply, but it's kind of a waste of time for you and everyone else reading it

[solar swallow]

When I had no space for plants for month that means that I'll be removing the exact amount of those plants that couldve spawn in that entire time?

That's great design

I'm just using credits already I'm so annoyed

[minor hazel]

I can't guarantee but I think there is a 15 cap. I left one plot with space to fill and it stopped at 15 and didn't queue more after clearing. i left another with 4 spaces to fill for even longer (weeks) and it queued plants til the same number 15 was created

they both went back to 3-5/24 hours after that

[solar swallow]

For sure more, I used 33 credits and were doing it for quite some time before that

So so stupid

[minor hazel]

like I said, I can't guarantee. That's just what I found counting and tracking on multiple plots with multiple spawn options. I'm not wasting more weeks to continually repeat it

[fallow mural]

I guess I don’t understand. I went to look at fuel prices and it was like fractions of a penny for 1 fuel. How much fuel are producing on a maxed out T3. Maybe I just have a loooong way to go to max out. I’m getting like 60 per day

[unborn heron]

Someone told me they're getting 50 fuel per day at T1.

I don't know if I will upgrade my converters to L4. I only get additional 3 fuel (at 150% efficiency) every 12 days.

But the upgrade cost is 16 fuel. That's more than 5*12 days = 60days? to break even

[fallow mural]

But when someone says they get like $10 a day how many fuel are they producing? 1000’s? Maybe I’m looking at the prices wrong

[unborn heron]

I'm thinking of building a bunch of L1 at 50% efficiency. Do you know if there's a maximum number of fuel converters I can build?

Actually, I'm only renting a land right now. For around a month maybe.

[shut wave]

I tried the overworld for the first time. I feel like people these days dont have the attention span and patience for discovery like this. More chaos is needed!

[unborn heron]

Lol. No. I won't sell them hahaha
I'll upgrade the fuel extractor to increase daily fuel generation. But I'm hesitant to upgrade the converters.

If I'm renting for a year, I might upgrade them to L3 at least.

[unborn heron]

Out of curiosity. If you will be renting a land, how much are you willing to pay for a beginner T1 land per day?

[quaint prism]

The T1 plots are a bit of a pain, but I'd sell before I'd rent it out, for the reasons above described. But not at these prices...

[carmine grotto]

Thx Tiktok and short term gratifications for Dopamine rush

[quaint prism]

Idk at the point it's fully built out, I don't mind logging in to click on the auto repeating collect buttons. It would take seconds, and not sure why to pay someone else to do it.

[unborn heron]

That's true

[quaint prism]

Yeah your original plan is similar to mine 🙂

It's looking like the land market will be pretty low for a while. Just hoping the team doesn't release the second wave until we are seeing more demand and a healthy fuel economy.

[little moon]

selling additional lands would be a disaster

another how many more lands they sell..... that many more angry land owners

it's a VERY bad idea

especially after the nerf and current fuel market condition

[foggy bison]

As Mr. Hamster has been saying, you might get even more than that if you don't go overboard
I just hit Nexus Level 9 on my T1 this morning, so got to play around with my current inventory of L3 and L4 converters by adding power stations in just the right locations
At 141% or better, an L3 converter will give you 2 fuel every 3 days
At 144% or better, an L4 converter will give you 3 fuel every 3 days
I currently have a good mixture of 12 total converters (4 ea) at either L3 or L4
Until I can get my Fabricant to Level 5, I really can't complain...

[hazy tartan]

I’m getting 2 from every l3 I have running at 105 and only a singular 105 receiving 1 (can’t explain that one)

Limit for 2 every 3 days is def less than 141

[foggy bison]

Yeah, I see what you're saying... I should have said
For L3 you get 15:15 conversion at 141% or better, 2 every 3 hours
For L4 you get 24:24 conversion at 144% or better, 3 every 3 hours
Sorry for the confusion

I'm only using my L4's for passive. My L3's are used for converting because I don't have the patience to wait to get up to 24.
I've already started taking out paths. I'm at 17%, but could be at 19%.

[quaint prism]

Interesting strategy. I guess that'll get more elements and you might not need to upgrade the element extractor / converters as much.

The team is working on some new features to hopefully be interesting alternatives to blueprint farming. In particular hoping that gyms will be a good alternative thing to do

[foggy bison]

I've never shown my T1 progress - currently at 186/202 buildings - working towards Fabricant L5, which is temporarily displaced to the middle to make way for power stations
Removed paths from upper right to make room for power stations
Removed paths from lower left to make room for temporary Silicon storage
Leaving extra Carbon storage at top for now just in case
Crypton at 49/80, soon to be 65/80

Yep, that's the plan, thanks

[foggy bison]

I mentioned 80 as that is all that's required (for now) to upgrade the fabricant. So far, I've been lucky that only Hyperion required L2 storage for upgrades. Even Engineering Workshop L7, which might be next after Dredge, only requires 30 Solon. This being my first and only T1, I don't know what's next until right when I get there! Thanks for your help and encouragement.

[glass mauve]

Can someone tell me if I claim the fuel crates do I need to have sufficient storage for them? What would happen if I don’t have the storage for the fuel in my fuel crates once I claim them?

[shut wave]

Shit man just realised if we had enough players and fuel production at full capacity we'd all be doing pretty good!!! 😁

[foggy bison]

Good to know. Right now I don't know the Silicon requirements for each Dredge L5 run. My Silicon Mine is L6 which can replenish 180K/run in 3 hours. I'm guessing Dredge L5 might be 24h/run(?), so you'd be right and I would be OK w/o workshop L7.

5.2M??? 😱 Ugh, thanks for the warning!😅 I like the plant idea. Right now, though, they can clobber almost-full storage. I have 2 ea L6 storage, all the rest L5.

[foggy bison]

It's so great having you a couple weeks ahead of me!

[serene iris]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbZl8BRpf0s&t=3s Illuvium fuel market analysis. Would love to hear thoughts from other Illuvium land holders

Is a level 6 crypton converter ment to have less passive generation than the equivelant solon and hyperion converters? At the moment there is no differance between level 5 and 6 crypton passive generation

[verbal igloo]

It should have the equal outcome with the other same level converters but depends on the efficiency but also the landmark

[minor hazel]

it should but it doesn't. Solon and Hyperion passives increase but Cryptons passive at level 5 is the same at level 6 regardless of efficiency. 150% at level 5 is the same as 150% at level 6 whereas Hyperion and Solon increase by 50% from level 5 rates. E.G. on a f2p plot with maxed everything H/S passive at a rate of 36/288hrs at level 6, up from 24/288 at level 5. Crypton however at level 5/150% produces the same 24/288 and when it is upgraded to level 6 it doesn't change one bit. 150% level 6 is still 24/288 and it tangibly produces at that 24/288 rate. The collections are 6/12/18/24 through the whole 288 loop. And H/S correctly produce 9/18/27/36 through the whole 288 loop.

The only thing that changes for Crypton is the amount that can by converted per cycle which is correctly increased to the same rate as H/S.

[verbal igloo]

Will forward this to the team, thanks!

[noble willow]

I think if you go back in the history you can find a reply to someone lodging a support ticket about this. The reply was less than awesome.........but yeah itis

[low river]

Hotfix the paths bug. I haven't play for a month

[verbal igloo]

It will become available in the next few days

[empty path]

Sheesh $1 for 500 fuel, how long can this go

[low river]

No incentives to play overworld, most of the whales already have the best illuvials. Iluvium team need's to create incentives to play (ranked leaderboards, Leviathan gaunlet leaderboards, etc)

[serene iris]

Thank you! I submitted a bug report on this and was given the most confusing response. I don't think they even submitted it to be looked at! So thank you for looking into it

[noble willow]

so what stops you from only having say 4 complete set ups, and move the different passive collectors into position, claim the 12 day haul, then move them out again, cycling in the next passive converters that will tick over? That way you're only moving 4 buildings at a time?
Also would mean you would have heaps more space for other buildings that require it around the joint, or extra passive converters that sit there at 50% for most of the time, until it is click and collect season for them........

[open stratus]

Interesting idea actually. Could you do this with say, scanners? Move 1 collext, swap, move the other, collect

Also props to the guys keeping up the floors. Man the bottom falling out rq

[spiral ravine]

Yeah man infact this price is very low and with all that fuel the price should be higher

[hoary saffron]

Has anyone had an issue where it freezes at loading plot on mobile. I have 2x plots and one loads and the other just freezes. It been the same for over a day now.

[stuck mist]

201 is max level or is it a bug?

[empty path]

It's a bug for everybody

[devout panther]

Hi everyone, do you have the updated roadmap?

[orchid apex]

If you manage to find illuvial biodata and even a blue print, are we keeping those? Can you even find blueprints in free lands?

[low scaffold]

Wen will zero be playable for T1 again? Can't be that they don't realize we can't progress, don't even care about making fuel to sell, we can litterally just not upgrade anything for days cause we don't produce enough

[low scaffold]

"Low-tier land" make it sound like "we don't care about those who don't pay much" while the solution would be to make it more accesible and have a better f2p experience before you move on to a paid experience in order to get more people to play resulting in more revenue

[radiant sky]

i wonder, do other landlords aswell have space left to build, but already hit the structure limit of 202 structures?
i built paths up to a bonus of 19%. So i used a lot of space with paths, but still have some space left i can't use now likeyou see in the picture below.

[low scaffold]

Can't rely on a few whales, need tons of people who spend a little, way more sustainable

[halcyon lotus]

I hope they fix UI bug

[rotund forum]

Not to be negative but just an observation. The prices in green were from last sunday and the ones in red from today (the top rail at which you can actually sell, not the fictional top rail); that is quite a shift. General Revenue is dropping from 5 eth to 2,5 eth daily. So more fuel less demand by the day now really. The illuvidex is so full of cheap illuvials that just buying them there is cheaper than hunting them yourself, so I fear overworld runs are going to deminish even further, so less fuel for us to sell. I hope when they do the second wave they will make it much harder to catch them all, so there is more retention. It took 3 years to build, and after 6-7 weeks a lot of the few people we have seem to be done playing. Not me, I will play this still in 20 years if it survives that long, but lessons are to be learned here I think. For the short run... I think I´ll stack fuel instead of desperately selling it for cents and dump on moments it has a bit more decent price.

oh btw, these prices are in eth for 1000 fuel

[spiral ravine]

This is not good but probably for the moment is better accumulate at the maximum quantity instead of selling

[radiant sky]

what do you mean with stacking?
delete production buildings for more storage?

[tardy falcon]

do you even realllly need 19-20%?

Most of my buildings are maxxed and typically collect in the morning when I wake up since they are mostly 24hr cycle anyway. Even with 20% reduction if you collect in the morning that still puts the next collection cycle back 5 hours or so... not really enough to be the next night unless u stay up really late or wake up. I value my sleep and consistency so always ends up being collect in the morning despite 19%. I am thinking about deleting a lot of paths and opening up some more space... maybe considering new layouts with 10% in mind.

[radiant sky]

Less paths just let me have even more unused space

[pearl marten]

Put some converters ... get 2-12 fuel every 12 days 😄 😄 😄

[rotund forum]

Yes, I have 4 silos for every fuel on every plot so I will hoard fuel until I see there is a relatively good moment to sell. Or stacking also not might be a bad idea if they do another economic patch

[tardy falcon]

Yah I think I’m going to try and value aesthetics a little more. It’s so cluttered with everything jammed in there.

Why u wanna fill everything?

[rose thicket]

In reflection over the last three weeks, launching ILZ w/o fiat on ramps and clear communication on how fuel would function as a leveraged non-fungible in game vouchers when exchanged on an online centralized marketplace might prove a tragic oversight. I felt the sentiment pre-beta launch was the trough. Reviewing feeds this morning I think we have hit a new all-time low. This was both unwarranted and source of great confusion.

[tardy falcon]

Welp… at least the dirty laundry and all the issues are out in the open now. Team gonna have to take care of things piece by piece.

[radiant sky]

To me it's kind of a building freedom where i can build whatever i want how many i want.
To me it's the one of very few reason making a citiy-builder interesting to play.
For example i also don't like the building limitations. If one want to build 20 scanners and 1 matlab, let him do it.
If one wana spam 200 converters on a plot... let him do it.

The more limitations made, the less interesting imo a citdy builder gets.
Put it into the extreme, where the limitation is to such a high degree, that everyone has the same buildings on every plot at exactly the same place.
Maybe others like a given path forward to build it up, but i don't. 🙂

[tardy falcon]

I can dig that. Freedom is a good thing.

[fallow lily]

Do we have any ideas on the max fuel production capability of a tier 2 land parcel?

I watched a vid last night saying 150, but that doesn't seem right

[dry otter]

we have only been on mainnet for 1 month with the beta version! This is just the beginning and many are already talking about the downfall! What's wrong with you guys? People are chasing illuvials in the OW even though they would be cheaper to buy on the market!!! What more do you want to understand that the game has mega potential? We have released 3 connected games at once. That can't go without problems in my opinion! When the whole crypto market goes up we are ready! Everything is going according to plan, no worries!

[fallow lily]

In today's day, everything is "right now", and most people have issues "waiting".

However, in defense -- also in today's day, your first impression has the potential to catapult you or severely limit your growth potential (over time)

[atomic cove]

I agree, the best games and more addictive are the ones that give players freedom for them to do whatever they want.

[fallow lily]

maybe better said in a question

1. do you rather get a game to a good state following the path of no-man's sky?
2. or do you rather have a hit game from the start?

[radiant sky]

you mean like take high efficiency converters down to spam low efficiency converters?

[dry otter]

I don't understand the second part!
I'm not an native english speaker.
But it sounds good, i think!

[fallow lily]

Well the game No Man Sky, was a huge flop when it was released, due to broken promised, and a half baked game. However, they stuck with it over the years, offering free updates. Now the game is a gem

Though we are still in Beta, so Illuvium still has a great opportunity, even if it took that path, it could work out - most importantly given the slow web2 adoption

I just said all that to say, that complaining this early is good for feedback, but people need to take a step back and breath and realize that this is still a great foundation for this game to be amazing

[dry otter]

I got it!
But i don't think that illuvium is flop! I think people expectet way too much. I remember talking about 1 million player and stuff like that. You'll see what will happen if bitcoin is at 80.000 for exemple!
The foundation of the game is gread and we are just at the beginning.

[fallow lily]

I don't think its a flop either, not even close

I was just using that game as an example

I love this game, and I have so many high hopes for it. It does deserve the criticism though... they have some work to do. However, if they capitalize on the great foundation, we could have a hit here. As long as those voting on things are not the paperhand-minded individuals

[orchid apex]

would love to get a reply to this one somone, thanks

[fallow lily]

All I know is even if you could find blueprints on free plots, you would not be able to mint them

[radiant sky]

yes you keep those.

Zero f2p is mainly for getting to know how Zero works before you have to pay for a Land nft. In future there might be more Fun, social activities and competitive pvp/pve features implemented.

For now:

• you can't sell any assets generated on your f2p plot yet
• you can't use any assets in other Games than Zero itself yet

However, you can:

• play for Fun
• play for Airdrop missions
• play for possible future features.

Also the tokens you generate with Level ups are Account bound. If you one day decide to buy a Land you can use those tokens to Speed that Land up or buy builders there.

[dry otter]

The hole crypto market is almost dead now! No interrest at all not in bitcoin and not in altcoin or whats ever! And i think we schould not expect that much from september. But if this sentiment changes, we'll see different numbers!
Look what happend to anxie in the last bullrun! And that game is a joke🤡

[empty path]

Really, you keep the blueprints you find on the F2P plot?

[radiant sky]

why not?

there is no more reset of land coming

[fallow lily]

My fear though is that I see ILV being akin to Bitcoin, as Axie was akin to meme-coins

For some odd crazy reason people flock to meme coins, while the real asset with true value sits over there -->

[empty path]

Cause it's a F2P plot ???

[fallow lily]

Arguably, you can say BTC is still doing much better than Meme coins, and I agree, but I think that adoption is where the comparison truly shines

[radiant sky]

not what he asked.

i don't even know if you can find blueprints on the f2p plot.
i guess you can, but they are basically worthless since you can't mint it for skin creation.

[fallow lily]

I see ILV growing methodically, while games like Axie were a flash in the pan

[empty path]

That's exactly his question 😅

[fallow lily]

we'll see though

[radiant sky]

he asked if biodata and blueprints found can be kept.
answer, yes

he also asked if blueprints can be found on f2p plot.
Answer, what can be done on a f2p plot.

[dry otter]

Yes, and it will certainly be exciting to watch! Let's hope for the best!😎

[fallow lily]

Absolutely

4 years for a game is a short turn around, most importantly when you are speaking of approaching AAA status, or trying to create a AAA game. As a game dev hobbyist and one who has been involved in the industry, NOTHING about this is out of the ordinary

You need the foundation first, then you can fix things like what you are bringing up

The foundation is there, now they need to have their economist work the dials

Its not the sky is falling (or it doesn't have to be).

There will be challenges as we see, but that does not mean the sky is falling

About those fuel issues, did you really expect it to be perfect out of the gate for Beta?

serious question

for a beta? not really

You're kidding right? 😄

For a beta, with the issues experienced, this is what you are clinging onto?

I will say its fair to have your opinion for sure about that, but as with everything of value in life, you don't take one metric and suddenly think you are a fortune teller or have the "facts"

There is a specific reason for the low player count, and if you are truly a student of facts, you would not be just throwing that number around without providing context

Its actually laughable 😄

Bro, spamming the laugh emoji doesn't mask your deflection lol

Back to the question I asked you @south mural ...
About those fuel issues, did you really expect it to be perfect out of the gate for Beta?
serious question

I am curious to hear your thoughts about that

Let's talk details, instead of throwing around opinions and conjecture

[dry otter]

I am a land owner too. I don't have a t4 but a couple t2's and t1. I've bought these plots 6 months ago. I'm down 50% i think, but i didn't expect to quit my job at mc donalds becouse i've investet some 1000 bugs in a computer game. So i don't care that much as long the servers are working! First i liked the artwork, now i like the game, but i am still waiting for a arena mode in were i can use my own stuff and i will by happy then!

[fallow lily]

Exactly, I hope people didn't come into land thinking they were going to recuperate their investment at launch

It will take some time

All I know is that everything is predicated on people coming to the game. That will require marketing, and the illuvium team has already said that marketing push has not happened yet, but will. (probably at launch).

So it is not at all alarming that there are 500-750 people playing

[pearl marten]

no way :D... i meant if you have spare space but i was just kidding ... i tried placing 9+ converters at 50% but the passive is worthless imo

[fallow lily]

This game is still largely a Web3 crowd game (for now)

No offense, but that is the most based take I have heard to date 😄

Also, you did not compare this to Palworld (at its release no-less). I am going to assume that was a mistake on your part in this discussion

You see, with each response, you are telling me exactly how you think, and again... no offense, I am not impressed 🙂

We'll talk again at release

We'll see what the numbers are after a good marketing push and discuss this then

Right now, you seem a bit emotional in your logic and responses

Its all good though 🙂

Quick tip, remove emotion, focus on facts, and pay close attention to actions and decisions that the team makes. Watch, learn, study, repeat (keep your feelings at the door)

"I gave you fact after fact. Then you say "fOcUs On FaCtS", but offer NONE.
You're not a very good bot."

That sounds emotional

[dry otter]

More toyotas are sold than lambos!

[wise furnace]

Rate my plot

How can people enjoy this game 🤣

[fallow lily]

I personally think a lot of the enjoyment comes from earning potential, and the challenge of optimizing the output

However, that is my subjective opinion

[wise furnace]

I don't even know where to begin there, everything i wanna build has requirements i can't meet

[fallow lily]

Sounding Angsty 😄

[fallow lily]

Oh yeah, getting out of the blocks is .. interesting to say the least

[wise furnace]

Guess im sticking to OW&Arena

[fallow lily]

Zero is indeed an aquired taste

I like it because I like city builders, and this does a decent job at being a basic city builder

[wise furnace]

I've played similar games, but they guided you a bit

[fallow lily]

Though it lacks a ton of bells and whistles

[wise furnace]

Anyway 😜

[dry otter]

To play a t1 plot at the time is more than playing a video game. You will learn things that some people go to a Buddhist monastery for!

[devout panther]

The main problem is the demand for fuel, it would be interesting to make ways to use fuel, make a war between factions in the lands, create troops attack and defend with illuvials something like that

[foggy sage]

it hurts lol

rather just use that fuel in game

[fallow lily]

I too suggested that they add many more gameplay features to zero for those interested in just playing it

[foggy sage]

fuel still dropping need to cut fuel production by 99% this time

[fallow lily]

It would be nice to have many things you can do (while waiting on the timers) in the game.

I find that the flow of my gameplay is the "check in" approach

Check in just to manage the fuel production. However, if there was more things to do gameplay-wise, it would keep my attention for "sessions" instead of check-ins

[foggy sage]

thats where im at i set a timer for when my stuff is done and then collect at the same time every day, i see maybe 3 mins of it a day

[fallow lily]

Yep and that can get boring fast

[foggy sage]

oh yea even if i get a new bio data or blue print im like cool, and then dont look at it the rest of the day

[fallow lily]

Yep, if they could just flesh this game out more, that could do wonders

[foggy sage]

and the way blue prints are only for armor and drone, and how there is like 30 different armor sets but really only like the t3-T5 armor will be used by comp players means the other blue prints wont likely sell as well as they hope

[fallow lily]

I agree 100%. There just isn't much utility there imo

[dry otter]

If Donald Trump wins the election fuel price will hit all time high! Mark my words!!
Drill baby drill!!

[fallow lily]

All the incentive to play these games need to be = gameplay driven (fun)

I get that earning needs to be there, but that can still be good while playing second in line

[coral drum]

Brought a T2 lands for 450, do u guys think was a good play?

[fallow lily]

I would prefer to play this for fun, and earning second rather than my only focus being to earn

[dry otter]

Real fuel will go down btw

[fallow lily]

just my opinion though

[fallow lily]

definitely, the floor for tier 2 I think is a bit above $1,500

So you got a steal imo

[dry otter]

T2 is at 600

[fallow lily]

wait, really? I just checked 2 days ago 😄

Let me check again

[foggy sage]

no lol, not at the moment man gonna take forever and you will have to pick between scanning and making fuel and at most in a few months once u get everything upgraded u will make about 2 dollars a day in fuel maybe less

[dry otter]

2 days ago it was maybe 603

[coral drum]

I'm bulllish, i don't think it can get more cheap than that

[fallow lily]

You are right @dry otter wow

It must have been tier 3 I was looking at

[fallow lily]

I still think that was a good price though

That is the floor price rn. If the project skyrockets, you are in a good position

Its worth noting that all tier 2 land isn't equal

Some are more efficient than others in regard to resource placement

[foggy sage]

none of the land is equal alot of T4 lands that produce crap level of fuel because the nodes and land mark dont match up

[coral drum]

Yeah and indicator like RSI for eth is down also

[fallow lily]

Right, I was just stating tier 2 because that is the one they purchased

So when guaging value, you have to consider that as well

[foggy sage]

alot of garbage out there as far as land plots go

[fallow lily]

True indeed

[foggy sage]

what im already looking at whats gonna happen is just scan untill i get all T4 and T5 Stages and then quit scanning after that and just do material lab research cause, no point in scanning the lower T1 illuvials since more land owners will be able to scan/create those

[fallow lily]

Yeah I haven't even dabbled yet in bioscanning. My tier 2 is just for fuel production. I am considering using my tier 1 for biodata

[orchid apex]

thanks broski

[foggy sage]

gonna be so tough for t1 lands to scan using stage 3 scanners and use material labs at the same time

[fallow lily]

Ah okay, then I may need to rethink my plan then lol

[foggy sage]

cause if u scan and get lucky and get a T2 or higher illuvial u need to have the material lab that matches or is higher level then the illuvial and the cost of that goes up i think if i remember right at stage 5 its like 18 of each fuel type

i dont even think a stage 1 produces that in a day

yea but to build the pods takes alot of space and u need to keep space open for trees which hurts pathing time reduction bonus which means u make even less fuel not to mention it could even hurt making your fuel extractors and converters at max efficiency

[foggy bison]

Same for me and my T1... Except for a 3h Silicon cycle which won't be for much longer, I am very close to being at a level where I would typically only need to check in twice a day (every 12 hours). And very soon, everything should be 24 hours, so I'll be down to once a day. Wake up, make a pot of coffee, check in, done! I'm not complaining, I'm really enjoying this, and am looking to buy another T1.

[fallow lily]

I totally understand that, and sometimes I actually enjoy that myself. Just log in periodically, see progress, make some decisions/actions and log off

It can be fun for sure, and currently that works for me. I just have some hopes for other things you can do if you want to just sit and play. Its a beautiful game

[foggy sage]

perfect

[open stratus]

Yeah, looking also to buy more land strangely enough. Having fun with it, and at current prices.. why not sheesh

I don't even care what the sites are tbh. We will make it work

Oh wow how many kids do you have 😅

I know man sheesh

[open stratus]

I think my 4th out of 6 extractors will be level 6 shortly

Yesh I love t2s at this price

It's crazy

[safe crater]

Fuel is still not worth anything, even tho producing was completly pummeled. Please change something. This isn't working out right now

[opal thistle]

Got my 1st BP LFG

[fallow lily]

When selling fuel at market price, why does it take so long to sell?

nvm

Its clear not many purchases are happening today

I think people have stockpiled at this low cost for fuel

again nvm lol I was looking at the wrong ledger

[thorny crater]

This is such a good feeling in the mornings lol

Ok I think I’ll start working on my t1s more. Going to make them fuel focused only.

Anyone by chance know the distance between 2 converters can be before they can not make 150% with power stations around?

[opal thistle]

It truly is

[fossil citrus]

6 squares in all directions
EDIT: idk

oh... nvm my answer then

[subtle frost]

@whole spear hey

are you talking to me

@whole spear are you talking to me right now

[whole spear]

No

Scammer

@subtle frost

[whole spear]

They must be stupid wanting to be me lol

[fallow lily]

They want the clout, so they can catch a sucker... which sucks

I feel bad for the gullible

[timid sorrel]

Fuel headed to 0…what a massive failure this has been.

[rotund forum]

I like your optimism, I really do. These chatrooms lack it that is a fact. But although there is an abundance of fud etc. I still prefer a realistic view above an over excited one. If you only cry or you only cheer, in the end you don’t really address the (family of) elefants in the room. Being too optimistic is ignoring that there are issues that need attention. And we need to try to address these in a critical but constructive way. But hey, that’s just my approach.

[thorny crater]

My re organize so far

[upper whale]

You have power stations not connectoed to path

[thorny crater]

I know I needed it for the 150%

If I can get 16-17% at the end I’m happy

[foggy sage]

bad facts = fud

i have a t4 land and i still barely play the game

[rotund forum]

Tbh I don’t think any land is garbage, it is more challenging to level up yes, but once you hit end game it doesn’t matter if you have 1 element and 1 fuel. Only exception would be in my opinion if one fuel is way more valuable than the other and also if you have a landmark and don’t have any fuelsite… kind of sucks but these t4’s will be cheaper which will make it more interesting again. If you have a t1 with all same elements… yes that is the worst you could get probably. And still… might be part of a megacity or something tomorrow. I have a small megacity and 2 of the 4 plots fon’t have hydrogen 🤣. But once it fuses to a megacity it will be pretty balanced.

[vivid cipher]

T1 with all silicon is tough. And it’s not a Solon fuel site.

[foggy sage]

but who knows how mega cities will even work man alot of speculation that a mega city is gonna be this incredible thing

[foggy sage]

im saving the money i earned from fuel sells to pick up space marine 2 lol

[rotund forum]

Let’s just say I think I have quite a lot more invested than a lot of the ones spitting negativity here. I am all for venting sometimes but if it becomes only that what use is it, in the first place for yourself. You want your life to be that? Go to discord and cry a bit. It doesn’t help you or anyone else’s mood, that is all I am saying. You dwell on negativity it will pull you down. I personally don’t very much like to surround myself with people who thrive on self pity. You think good things happen to crybabies or optimistic people? It is usually the latter, just facts of life.

[spark crest]

What is benefit of upgrading scanner and materials lab?

[fallow lily]

This 1000%

You can acknowledge that something needs improvement, but to spend time being negative without any balance, is a sad existence imo. It's all good though, to each their own. We choose the life we live in many ways, including how happy/unhappy we are

[foggy sage]

u need a t2 materiual lab to research t2 illuvial so on and so forth

[spark crest]

And what about stages? What affect finding of stage 2 or 3?

[foggy sage]

i think so but people have found tier 5 stage 3 on scanner level 1 so idk

but if u dont have a material lab stage 5 they cant scan it

[tranquil sparrow]

Fuel price now scares me, but i will still BELIEVE

[foggy sage]

that fun part brother nothing hahahah

and then also to run a stage 5 mat lab is like 18 of each fuel

[rotund forum]

You were justifying fud, this was just my reply. But that said, you do give a lot of info to everyone and seem to know quite a lot, so I do appreciate your help in that way. Zero lacks much of a wiki for now. So any info we can give the community when they have doubts is a good thing.

[rotund forum]

That is not true my friend. To find a t5 illuvial you will need a l5 scanner. Or that is the idea. If it did occur I stand corrected but it is definitely a bug. There are still a lot of things to polish. I have a l2 and l1 databank and only 30 slots. That is an unintended bug. Things like that will be corrected, we are still in beta.

Tbh… I think for a t1 to try that is torture. I am not quite there yet but I have had so many dudds in these last days I started wondering if I was doing something wrong. Not all my biolabs are L5 yet but getting there. So now I just put them all on research even the lower ones just to see if they find anything. I did find some early blueprints but now for 7 days straight nothing.

True story; installed new pc in a guest bedroom. So tried to install zero. And the epic game store says I need my parents permission 😂. Mom is dead and my father is highly elder. I don’t know what happened there but they somehow think I am a minor.

Yeah, I don’t think you quite got me. I just for your own peace of mind and happiness in life don’t want you to dwell on negativity, that is all, and yes it doesn’t help you and it doesn’t help anyone else. That is all I tried to communicate to you, sorry it didn’t reach you in the way it was intended. I am no gatekeeper, I both hate to be told what to do and tell people what to do, so that is not my intention.

[open stratus]

Sleeper money rake ? They don't do anything rn

BUT could be a way to actually use t1s without all resources.. grow plants and harvest them

[rotund forum]

I wonder about this. Because yes; t1 have nice open space to grow plants and thus create the modified plants to make deys to make skins. Not sure it is how it works exactly yet but somthing like that. Thing is, we’ve established that t1 will be a nightmare to get t3+ blueprints, so I wonder how ideal they actually are. Maybe if you have seceral plots and can send stuff over THEN it becomes viable. But as it is now… I don’t see it

[spark crest]

What does podarium do?

[rotund forum]

IF a t1 can buy a t5 blueprint from illividex then also they have an interesting situation, no need to spend more fuel than they can produce but make actuals skins that t4 can’t bacause of lack of space

[open stratus]

Perhaps it may be worth after all to look for that megacity 🤣

[rotund forum]

See, although I did play overworld in closed beta I haven’t recently. So I was unaware. Yes that seems like a plus for t1/2 indeed.

[versed warren]

Do you have a max level fuel extractor? Can you share a screenshot of what it produces at 150% on a t1 base if you do?

[little moon]

this is on my T2

I have the other 2 fuels too... they are also maxed out pumping 50/day

oh! sorry didn't see the later part of your question about T1

I do have a T1 (hyperion extractor) still not maxed out

[upbeat drift]

i am playing for a while and i just posted a T3 at a very fair value , level 170 , don t wanna spam or something but this can be a really good deal for someone looking for a T3 , almost close to the bottom of the T3 lands but with many hours played already on it . https://illuvidex.illuvium.io/asset/0x9e0d99b864e1ac12565125c5a82b59adea5a09cd/98549

have T2 and T1 , all leveled up too...anyone searching for a fair deal,dm and we can talk more.thanks

[versed warren]

38 is the max we get a day

So every 3 days i can do a t1 run?cuz we get a 17% road buff right

[grand silo]

conditioned karen

[grand silo]

heres the message, plenty of us get tired of the constant moaning like the game is over. If Hamster really believed it was all doom and gloom he would be long gone. Fact is he knows we will get there he just chooses the road of dragging everyone through the mud with his pessimistic doubting comments. Maybe he need to hear it a few more times before one gets the message

[rotund forum]

But I do not wish to attack him, at all. As you can see just today he is very active in helping the community with their many many doubts, since there is no real guide made yet. A lot of the info comes from here from guys like him just playing and sharing. I have been negative as well, as it comes with the frustration of expectations not met. It happens to all of us. Just don’t like when it is only that.

[grand silo]

he balances it well plays a good game but some see through it. yup shared my frustrations like you and many, but just like the real world say your piece and be upfront and thats it. The constant negative drip continually saying the same thing over and over as if you were not heard after the 50th time. Thats karen territory

helpful karen

[rotund forum]

I’m in a point of my life where everything seems like illuvium. So yes, it’s not optimal, it is uncertain (a thing that I can’t stand) and short of expectations, I’m sure the team feels it a lot more than we do. But that said, is this my life? No. I have a lovely partner for many years, I have my hobbies, my freedom, friends, time (although never enough). When something like this project isn’t in its prime, ok, give it time and in the meantime focus on other things whilst the dedicated team do their magic. If that is enough, we don’t know and they don’t know. Good thing Kieran etc. are stubborn and don’t just sell their tokens and run off. That says all you need to know as far as I am concerned.

[grand silo]

totally agree

[grand silo]

every decent success story has its hurdles that need to be over come and with that territory comes the doubters & the karens, everyone plays there part. The Jessica Waston story is a classic go watch it if you havent. we have dedicated team its going to happen just need patience

meanwhile im on my third fact...nice

keep staking them Hamster probably right will be totally ignored.

[rotund forum]

Congratz. I do feel facts are a bit of the loser prices tbh. But if you go down the Ramphy path basically you already got rid of 3 of the 5 hurdles to the real stuff. You get the 5 facts and your 5 biolabs are having all a 5% chance of finding 1 of 22 Ramphy blueprints before the window closes forever.

I am having really bad biolabs results. True I go only for the t4/5 but it does say 5% no? Once you have the biodata it should be that. But I seem to have bad luck so far.

[fickle goblet]

Plot loading seems to be faster today, did they fix optimization issues?

[rotund forum]

I am resolving the tree problem so I can build more databanks. Only thing is I thought once you get biodata you can research it forever and that is not true. You have to find the blueprint before they shut off the “old” illuvials

[rotund forum]

Seems the same to me, but if so great

[grand silo]

yeah ive been lucky for sure second t5 material lab incoming as well so i can double my scans. not sure of your question sorry

im a bit grey on everything scanning and how it all relates to OV & Arena. good advantage for the players who play all 3 games they know whats going to be in demand and can focus their scanning on that. i hav no idea

[thorny crater]

One more t1 to do but this is the jest of my fuel focus

[gentle grove]

Do building go with the land

[vivid cipher]

Yes

But not builders

[halcyon lotus]

still no update for NO UI bug?

https://tenor.com/view/mr-bean-mrbean-bean-mr-bean-holiday-mr-bean-holiday-movie-gif-3228235746377647455

[quiet hare]

Prepare for another land nerf, fuel prices are back at the bottom 😂

[tardy falcon]

hopefully there's a more creative solution than just hacking limbs off landowners

[mortal bough]

This is a sore subject. Hopefully there will be good news given september 11th in regards to this.

[quiet hare]

They have to release leaderboards and rewards for leviathan imo

[open stratus]

Sooo time to buy fuel ? 🤣

Anybody else have pictures that don't show up

If you didn't know, that's a cardulox 🤣

[tranquil sparrow]

very scaryy

[noble willow]

yep, sure do, same illuvial

[lost walrus]

You were so positive before 🤨

[thorn otter]

Called Zero for a reason lol jk

[sturdy prairie]

I would like to ask if I can get points by playing free lands?

[still chasm]

whats the current stage illuvium zero at ? cbt,obt or something else ? i cant find the info

[empty path]

Yes

[keen quail]

Hi, can't access my land, stays at loading plot. Tried from many devices still same issue

[sturdy prairie]

I don’t quite understand what you mean. Do you mean that free land can also earn points?

Landholders are really being screwed

[mental anchor]

tested selling fuel on the fuel exchange. the UI works well. but just seems to be pending for days. is this the same for everyone else? anyone successfully sold fuel?

[real salmon]

Where can you see fuel prices on current sales

[junior hollow]

can we mint the blueprints currently?

[signal canyon]

no

[foggy sage]

Your not selling it low enough, u gotta go well below the average price to sell

[thorny crater]

T3 number break down for those who need.

Also looking to buy a t3 for 1k

Not updated for todays sales pricing

[mental anchor]

Thanks

[thorny crater]

About to make scanner and labs 4/5 so my number will go down for BPs too

[foggy sage]

If u got all the labs and scanners to level 5 it would cost 540 fuel.a day right?

[signal canyon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2gSzIDCBec&ab_channel=Nijafe_PlaysGameFi

[small cobalt]

Next week, 1 crypton a day from t4 land without Annoncement😂😂

[thorny crater]

I won’t do that though but maybe?

I haven’t done the numbers on lab/scanner on 4+ yet

I am doing this in my t3
4 scanners levels 2,3,4,5
5 labs levels 1-5

On my t2 I’ll have 4 scanner/labs.
Lvl 1-4 only

[thorny crater]

How did you look up what fuel is selling for?
Would be my first question.

[rotund forum]

the video is good in theory to determine upper rail, but fuel is really falling off a cliff right now. Ok it is monday but last weekend there wasn´t any significant increase either. Anyway to save you the time this is today´s upper rail. I think the team will have to address this again this week, but I think we can all agree that cutting another time 75% off is not going to be the answer, especially because the lower tiers will become unplayable. The supply is not really the problem here, it is only gradually going up. People are just not paying for OW anymore. I think for the upcoming townhall with Kieran the only question that really is going to matter is "what are your plans to solve this unsustainable situation?" I personally like the game but most people just prefer battle royale, shooting at each other 24/7. Maybe they should just turn overworld in that, and the winner gets to do a run... or something like that. It´s what the crowds want, I will never get it because for me THAT becomes boring real quick but it is the numbers that ultimately matter, so you want to keep afloat, here´s my grain of sand to the solution.

[dry otter]

Credit card payment would help a lot i think!
It's a pain in the ass to get eth on this passport at the moment to be honest! I've already forgotten how i did it last time!?
And the other thing is, that every coin is down at the moment compered 3 months ago and i personaly will not swap any of my coins to eth at this time, but i'll do so later on if crypto goes up again!
I will wait until i can use my own fuel or i can easely pay with credit card if i run out of something, as I would certainly have done in the last 2 weeks, if possible!
I don't want to even know how much i lose everytime buying eth on Coinbase and then send them around 3 corners to my passport!

[timid sorrel]

this whole game is such an epic failure, tens of millions of $s lol, and the game devs that made this just laughing at what they make for the W bros

[exotic yacht]

5 year/10 year ROI

[thorny crater]

yup. From what i understand this is crazy in crypto....to me its normal because i do real estate, as a side income/additional retirement, which is a 15-30 year ROI

another people vs web3 aspects that is a MAJOR difference.

rental* i hated house flipping which is way less. like 30days to 6 months

[jaunty forge]

I bought 6$ of fuel and the bonus went down from 2774 for 1000 solon to 2152. it was just one guy that do not understand how to sell fuel. I am fine wih that, I will buy the cheap fuel

[fallow lily]

What is the guide for selling fuel?

[thorny crater]

I do not think there is one

beacsue its supply and demand. So its all based on what you think is best for the sell/buy prices etc

BUT What i do is go to ledger and see what last sold and sell for that price

even though im not selling fuel right now lol

[keen quail]

Got Stuck in this page,whether installing or changing device not working, anyone else happened to be in the same spot?

[opal thistle]

make sure it is closed in all devices then try again in just one

[fallow lily]

Yeah I have sent some for selling, but just to test how it works, etc..
I have noticed that it hasn't sold though, even though I set it to market price

I guess, I have to dig deeper to see what is actually selling and at what price

[thorny crater]

market price is not selling price

example:

its confusing i know but this is why there is a "Bonus" its the difference between the market price and what things sell for

I have asked about 5-6 times and no one is exampling what rounded loss is. So i am taking that as that what is loss from the treasury for each sale until someone proves me wrong

That said. I much rather land owner can not set a price. Bonus goes away, and you just klist. once sold. 95% fee/tax goes to illuviam and you/land owners get 5%

but thats my opinion to make things simpler

[silk parrot]

You might be right about a guy not understanding the way to price. However, the bonus is only going to keep going up with hardly any burn mechanics.... going to get a lot worse faster and faster until they do something.

Lets just hope it is a burn mechanic and not another hammer over our land owner heads. Also lets hope they are getting some of the other problems out of the way so they can work on a burn mechanic before we see 600% bonus fuels.

[grand smelt]

hello, I can't see my blueprints and other NFT in my web profile, Where can find them? thanks!

[thorny crater]

nohting from land will show up yet. still in beta. only testnet BPs

not to mention youll have to build a transport to send them. its in the science thingy

[grand smelt]

Thanks, but where can find this section?

[thorny crater]

ohhh sory lol

one sec

[jaunty forge]

the bonus will go up if the supply from land owners increase faster than the demand or if nobody buy fuel to make run..... since they said that the milestone mission are no longer taken in consideration... I am sure people make less runs. Personnaly I think there reward campain is a fail...... I would have announce a 100000 $ tournament reward in 6 month and a 1M$ one for September 2025. the first one is just to create marketing for the second one.

[plain hamlet]

Am I the only one who can’t connect atm ?

Ok my bad I just saw you can’t connect with vpn on anymore

Does ILV zero will grant an airdrop to players ?

If yes where can I find infos on how it will be calculated

Cheers

[stuck vine]

hello i have the blueprints but how can sell that in market

[empty path]

You can't

[stuck vine]

why

[empty path]

Can't mint blueprints yet

[stuck vine]

??? so scan bluprint in land for what ???

only let that

[tardy falcon]

BluePrint minting will come 'soon' along with MegaCities

[stuck vine]

haizz the price fuel still down and blueprint cant sell nice game

[tardy falcon]

it is what it is wight now

[snow river]

Tier 1 land only allows 12 of each fuel extractor. I learn something new every day. Guess I will have to move on to science buildings.

[atomic cove]

that's exactly what this proposal is for. Although not changing the 95% fee.
https://discord.com/channels/760344898200666112/1279848507125268521

[thorny crater]

sweet. but i do not see any verbiage about the 95%:5% aspect

[atomic cove]

yes there's nothing there about that because it's not meant to change the ratio. I don't think that's where the problem's at.

[raw fjord]

are we ever getting thing to move from zero to OW

cant sell fuel and im full capacity always now

atleast make the order fuel reduce from ingame or smth

[atomic cove]

what we need is more clarity what's the low price being sold. That's why seing the order book would help.

[raw fjord]

idk why dont they just print fuel as they do and make a building ingame for us to all put fuel into and get that 5 10% from % of fuel we put in

make the thing simple

% you contribute is % of eth you get this week / month epoch

[atomic cove]

and what price should the DAO sell it?

[raw fjord]

and make some other way to calculate demand of fuel to move the price up and down

theres probably way to figure out if fuel is in demand or not

considering theres that building we put in so thats the production data of it and they have data of how much its being purchased

and make a formula to reduce the fuel price

no bonuses and stuff just lower price

[stuck vine]

no any update affter neft

[raw fjord]

what price do we want? 🤣

[thorny crater]

But that’s not changing the ratio. It changing the time/place at which it happens

If the dao gets 95% of the sell and land owner get 5% is not the ratio then what is?

[raw fjord]

you forced to sell to bottom price anyway lol

atleast this way we aint outbidding our selves to the hell floor to be the bonus in someones purchase

the other way we could only speculate if we want to put more or less in this epoch and thats it

[thorny crater]

Ah that explains it

Has anyone let a converter max out the passive?

I am curious if an icon shows up saying it’s full

[raw fjord]

will know in 2 days heh

[marble island]

It does show up

[cloud pecan]

This seems way better

Write a IIP, then they don't have a choice?

[thorny crater]

Thank y’all!

[raw fjord]

ye when AI starts programming like a pro and we just vote and its poof implemented

[thorny crater]

I’ll be terrified of that day

[raw fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/carrying-a-log-primal-survivor5-survival-skills-river-jungle-life-gif-19052057

[thorny crater]

That means it can self think and be creative and not just give you want you want based on mathematical possibilities

[raw fjord]

nah it would still be a prompt he does by command

but thats who knows how long away

[thorny crater]

“He” 🥶

[raw fjord]

it w/e ><

[gentle grove]

When will we be able to mint bps

[raw fjord]

hopefully, ive spent 2 days looking for AI to "create" logo for me

it just takes whats on the internet and makes it shittier

true heh

[cloud pecan]

Imagine shit talking AI at the very bottom of the exponential curve 😂

[raw fjord]

well when they promise generation of crazy insane images

[atomic cove]

done deal. Not much support from the community though...
#🎮〕illuvium-zero message

[raw fjord]

none got time to go tru all these ideas

[foggy sage]

it does show up

[exotic yacht]

https://tenor.com/view/harrys-hammer-club-harry-hammer-club-wen-gif-26315615

[wispy geyser]

Hey when are you going to fix the bug with the paths in illuvium zero that makes the land completely useless? I haven't even been able to open my land for 10 days

[atomic cove]

guys anyone knows if when transfering land we lose the biodatas/BPs in the land?

[vivid cipher]

Yes. They would be lost.

[atomic cove]

thanks Peli 🙏

[red stirrup]

What determines green efficiency area I’m new to this and am trying to figure out how to build my t0 the most efficient

[fallow lily]

My suggestion, is to select the efficiency filter, and then try to move the building

You will see the ground change color to indicate the best location

All I know for example, is that collection buildings do well near their equivalent resource sites

Other than that, I am not yet sure how it all works

[vivid cipher]

It’s based on proximity to similar buildings. They are passively collecting the atmosphere so they need to not over lap their area of effect

[red stirrup]

OK thank you

[gentle grove]

@vivid cipher any idea when we can mint bps

[vivid cipher]

I’ve not seen something on that recently. Sorry.

[gentle grove]

Man seems land owners get the shaft so much the one way to make money with BP and we can't even mint them

[fallow lily]

In many ways, I think its in our best interesting to temporarily tolerate the onboarding of new players before we ask for too much. Our lands don't amount to anything without adoption

In my humble opinion, I think we should be patient until we have a great solution in place to encourage adoption and the use of fuel to begin with

Once we have that, then we can focus on getting more attention and focus. We need the ecosystem humming first before we demand too much. Just my $0.02

[polar cosmos]

Is there any difference between the Blueprints minted during the Alpha and the ones we are getting now?

[red stirrup]

So does the rss from zero transfer to overworld?

[vivid cipher]

They aren’t the exact same things. Usually. But they are all blueprints. Not different functions

[vivid cipher]

Only if you own the land nft. And only the fuel. And technically the ability to transfer from zero to overworld is not functional yet. At this point fuel from zero can be sold. That’s it.

[polar cosmos]

so what makes them different??

[vivid cipher]

Each one is for a specific type of armor.

[polar cosmos]

ok, and? they look the same?

[vivid cipher]

Yes

[polar cosmos]

so they arent nothing special

[vapid jolt]

Hey guys, I’m brainstorming ways to onboard more players to Illuvium Zero, whether they’re new or have only played with F2P lands.** I’m thinking of running a “T2 Land Competition,”** where players rent T2 lands at no cost for 1 week and race to reach Nexus level 5 (or another attainable in-game goal within a week).

We’ll select 3-4 players, and whoever reaches Nexus level 6 first will win a prize! The idea is to create some friendly competition and excitement, even though the game typically leans towards longer-term play.

Does this sound interesting? If you have suggestions for other in-game goals that can realistically be achieved in 1 week, I’d love to hear them!

[timid sorrel]

Look KAG, $0.69 per day! Thanks Illuvium.

[lethal wyvern]

DMs are scams

Mods and Team members will never DM you.
Never trust advice or links received in DMs.

Beta access, giveaways, and promotions are not given out via DM. Scams are designed to trick you into installing malicious software to gain access to your wallet or to convince you to enter your seed phrase into a website. Never give your private key (12 to 24-word seed phrase) to anyone.

Support is not provided via DMs

Support is handled publicly, or in threads within the Illuvium Discord. People offering support via DM are scammers.

Please follow the instructions pinned in #report-scammers to report bad actors so we can remove them from the server.

[iron furnace]

Where did the ETH balance go that is in the fuel exchange from selling fuel?

[shut wave]

I have seen scam projects. This ones definitely a fair attempt. And they do take feedback onboard and arevery transparent.

[lethal wyvern]

DMs are scams

Mods and Team members will never DM you.
Never trust advice or links received in DMs.

Beta access, giveaways, and promotions are not given out via DM. Scams are designed to trick you into installing malicious software to gain access to your wallet or to convince you to enter your seed phrase into a website. Never give your private key (12 to 24-word seed phrase) to anyone.

Support is not provided via DMs

Support is handled publicly, or in threads within the Illuvium Discord. People offering support via DM are scammers.

Please follow the instructions pinned in #report-scammers to report bad actors so we can remove them from the server.

[vapid jolt]

We don't have the plots yet, we'd buy them for this specific goal. The idea is to think of something that could be enticing to new players.

You clearly have a deep understanding of the game, so I’d love to hear your thoughts on how we can make this competition more beneficial for players who want to try IZ without having to purchase land (or rely on F2P plots).

Your input would be helpful in creating something that adds value for the players.

[hushed dagger]

anyone know how to fix this?

[fallow lily]

Wow, I didn't even know there was a pure ice zone. Nice

[radiant sky]

i guess you built a ton of paths.
it's a known bug, and should be adressed with next patch.
please open a ticket nonetheless, either ingame or via #❓❓〕support to describe your case and help the team with data.

[hushed dagger]

😂😂 i did build a ton of paths and it happened right after

i thought it looked cool

im renting a land plot currently and have focused solely on mining fuels and i sell them in Marketplace. i think landowner gets a % of earnings i make from selling fuel. so it benefits landowners to rent out their lands. i am not 100% sure about that last part. but i enjoy it its fun....... until i broke it 😂

🤦‍♂️

i dont know if theyll fix it but i think i can reset the land and just start over 🤷‍♂️

yea its not clear what the benefits for either parties are

[vapid jolt]

Landowners who list their lands for rental can set whatever daily price they’re comfortable with, ensuring it aligns with their long-term goals and compensates for the risk of renters prioritizing short-term gains.

They also have the flexibility to list their lands for as long as they like and unlist whenever they’re ready to play or use the land for other purposes.

We’ve seen interest from landowners with excess lands and those who are not currently active in IZ.

[hushed dagger]

i dealt with 1 reset that i never reset myself. land was just reset after spending a couple weeks doing what u said "reinvesting fuel to continually develop land" but it takes forever and when it reset i kinda gave up on the other 2 fuels and just farm the crypton. the first run was very fast and i was developing fast but. looks like ill have to reset again so im probably not going to enjoy this rental thing since its costing me 0.21cents/day

[vapid jolt]

For sure, to us what makes the most sense is whatever adds the most value to both landowners and rental users. What you describe makes sense, and it would also be possible through lootrush

[hushed dagger]

getting paid 0.21 cents a day for a T1 or more for a bigger Tier land is not enough? thats like $6 a month for what im paying to rent my land.

any progress made by renters remains for the landowner and eventually you can UP the rental price for fully developed lands 🤷‍♂️ idk but id be willing to pay 5X more for a T3 or higher land but i think only the T2 land is needed to earn good ROI for both parties.

but i think testing and trying different things may attract new ideas and suggestions and new players

its hard to rent and earn because the game requires all your fuel to develop after Stage 3 buildings which is early on

so you spend the first couple or few weeks earning $0 because youre trying to develop an empty land you rented.

why cant we make sure lands are pre built already before listing?

why reset the land before listing? it forces us to waste our time and money

what you really need essentially is someone to simply tap on mines and collect every now and then. the game doesnt farm and mine in the background.

so spending time developing is the problem

so pre build a land and list it for rent. then the renter will log in and see a pre built land with all the basics and can just start collecting harvests immediately and upgrading or selling fuel in MP

not sure why the lands are barren..... and if you are resetting the land before listing then you just shot everyone in the foot lol

and there should be a progress bar of how developed the land is for the renters to see on lootrush before renting. that way no one rents a 0% developed land

hope this helps

[vapid jolt]

Those are valid points, I think aligning incentives between renters and landowners is definitely important

[hushed dagger]

i dont think u understand

the whole point of the land is to collect and farm

not develop

once fully developed whats left?

collect and farm right?

or is there some weird Diablo 3 system that unlocks a crazy amount of development stages?

developing the land is easy and idk why you think the renter wouldnt develop the land because they have to sacrifice the assets?

once we reach MAX land we will reap all the benefits and do nothing but sell fuel

so im not sure why you say a renter would not want to do this because that's literally what i've been doing for the past month or so

if you dont want to participate or list your land for rent then you dont have to. its an NFT and you have full ownership to do whatever you want..

its just a hard game in general

this would mean changing the entire core of IZ

but my goal is to fully develop this T1 land my only problem is I am aware that T1 is the worst one to fully develop

changing the game to better suite the renting land aspect of web3. but i think you're right , its not feasable for new players to rent land since they dont really know or understand that its going to be a waste of time and money until its fully developed

[hushed dagger]

the way i see it is. if its becoming this difficult to fully develop a T1 land. i dont think the land ownership is worth it at all. given that a good T2 land with a nice layout is selling for $600-$700 and the worst lands are listed for $120-$200

lands are not that great they need major improvements and its hard to find a nice land in a sea of rubbish lands with horrible spacing and layouts. and the really good ones are over $1,000

so it is definitely not NEW PLAYER friendly or renter friendly

[mortal bough]

@hushed dagger Yeah, well just imagine if you bought the land to produce a calculated amount of fuel... and then... 4-5 days later they deappreciate your assest by nerfing the fuel production -x4 so that your investment is immediatley worth less and no longer aligns with your reason for purchasing. If you ask me, you got to try it before paying thousands of dollars and getting screwed! What are out, a nickel?

[hushed dagger]

yea that sounds brutal, sorry to hear that

[fallow lily]

Yeah that definitely sucks. I think there should be some disclosure explaining what "can" happen as decisions are made for land, etc..

Investors should be involved in that decision making (if they are not already)

[mortal bough]

This should have been voted on, the supposed reason for doing this was to increase the fuels value, prices did not change, now the fuel is still worth less and now the land produces less of it. Whoever pulled the rug with the fuel patch needs to be fired.

[fallow lily]

I am not entirely sure it wasn't, but if not, I'd like to see that be something voted on too

[mortal bough]

https://illuvium.io/news/illuvium-zero-patch-notes-1-0-4-fuel-economy-patch

It was not voted on

[fallow lily]

Yeah, then it would be nice if it could be. However, I will say, that I do understand if it was something that could really hurt this game's progress/sustainability, etc..

However, I am more in the camp of just make sure investors are aware this can happen, so that as we make decisions we can consider those things

[rose thicket]

bet you would not buy it again…

[foggy sage]

XD 😆

[prime raven]

Already several days like this, stuck on loading plot.. (same on PC and mobile), i saw some others also have this problem, is there any solution on this ?, thank you.

[signal maple]

wow I got weekly mission "complete 15 daily goal" and its fucking challenging because the game not reset daily goal everyday?????????

[tardy falcon]

You'll have to check with either Rich or Theodore and see if they are collecting a new list of players with the issue

[thin dirge]

And they make it so they make 19fuel for every 1 you make rofl

[ruby merlin]

What is reset land?

[mortal smelt]

Don't worry nobody is making any money atm

[prime raven]

@whole spear hi.. is there any solution to this issue ?

[runic locust]

why my zero client always logging out?

[manic gyro]

My zero is only logging me out when I pick my first plot of land but if I click on the second one it works, does anyone know if there is a bug

[tardy falcon]

it's mad at u

[hushed dagger]

#❓❗〕community-help message

[lyric hamlet]

What happened to the weekly updates here in the chat?

[empty path]

I think it was Johnny posting them? He left the team

[hushed dagger]

can you share screen recording of what is happening? and try using PC or viceversamaybe it will load without logging out. mobile and pc versions for zero seem to be different

[noble willow]

i can't remeber whether the issues with upgrading and not increasing return on crypton from lvl 5 to 6 was the gate (mine) or collider (passive), anyone have that answer for me?

[minor hazel]

it's the converter so the collider

[mortal smelt]

Wow T2's below $500

maybe you can get that 2 year ROI now

checks math math says no

[stuck vine]

I buy t2 1000$ ROI infinity

[tranquil sparrow]

Was 450$

[pearl marten]

What a way to start the day

[empty path]

Congrats Torrex 💜

[manic gyro]

i just logged on on the pc and it worked so i will go back and try it on the mobile and see if it works there so fingers crossed i dont need to contact suport

[hushed dagger]

#❓❗〕community-help message

i found a fix it worked for other players as well. check it out

[manic gyro]

cool thanks

[hushed dagger]

np

[empty path]

Transferring fuel from Illuvium: Zero to the Fuel Exchange for use in the Overworld

[robust plume]

Lets gooo the feature is among us 🔥🫡

[sleek rose]

Oh no. Nexus upgrade done in 3H, downtime is 4H.

[lost walrus]

Ffs, 7 scans without anything and now make it harder......

Nerf and nerf and nerf

[raw fjord]

convertors gonna be 66% less converting?

[vagrant heron]

The time is reduced. You can convert quicker now. Should make it a lot better for lower tier plots

[raw fjord]

i mean this

its not 1:1 max anymore?

[vagrant heron]

Dude its the time lol

[keen quail]

It says times

[hardy brook]

I know right, I've been running 4 T5 scanners for days and haven't found a T5 yet.

[raw fjord]

ok ok

english man fck it

times this times that

[keen quail]

😂

[hearty cradle]

do we have the rates based on plot tiers?

[keen quail]

They say they fixed the loggin bug for having 2much roads

[vagrant heron]

Passive generation is also buffed

[raw fjord]

happy i can use it in OW

[vagrant heron]

I wonder which approach they chose. Will we get 1 fuel for every 20 fuel we send over?

[inland nebula]

In passive fuel generation rate, what does “cycle” mean?

[raw fjord]

cmon thats stupid

im not making 20k a day 🤣

[vagrant heron]

We'll see soon enough how its gonna look like

[vocal pasture]

hope we gen 1:1, doesnt make sense other way

I can sell 1000 fuel on market, and buy 1000 again with minimal loss

so if there is a cut on OW transfer, no one will do it and it will serve no purpose

Regarding scans, I agree...I have 5 half assed inefficient scanners on a T2 and already have 14 biodata 😛

Scarcity will be value...if there is no other source of blueprints other than lands, they must be rare and tough to get

[tawny wasp]

Good question, how do we transfer? I don't see an option on the fuel exchange

[raw fjord]

yup, losing any of this lil fuel we generate daily makes no sense ><

[leaden egret]

We want mega city !!!
Where is it ?!… 😰

[vocal pasture]

maybe on zero directly? "send xxx to OW button"?

[leaden egret]

https://tenor.com/view/city-city-lights-lights-city-night-gif-13310133

[empty path]

Let them patch first 😄

[vocal pasture]

Yep, the nerf is all that was supposed to affect land owners....altough I think a dynamic change on the 19:1 ratio should make lot more sense

[tawny wasp]

ohhh lol Didn't read the first line lol Thought is was already updated.

https://tenor.com/view/mr-bean-mrbean-bean-mr-bean-holiday-mr-bean-holiday-movie-gif-3228235746377647455

[raw fjord]

do stuff like this

[vocal pasture]

Amazing acomplishment :p

[raw fjord]

1pt here 1pt there

adds up :p

1pt escape

[vocal pasture]

ehehehhe true

[noble willow]

am excited to get the transfer, also the buff on passive. I have 2 T1 plots under development, still early stages for most things so will help quite a lot

[vocal pasture]

and its free, no energy cost in catching that....

I honestly believe this transfer will help the economy a lot, and was long overdue

[undone phoenix]

Lets hope the bug is fixed where several players aren’t able to play on their plot. Doesn’t say anything in the patch notes though 😔

[empty path]

There is a solution for this pinned in #❓❗〕community-help

[undone phoenix]

Unfortunately not. It’s not the path issue

[vocal pasture]

Bug fixes: "Placing a large amount of paths at once results in network error fixed"?

I believe this is the fix for that

[undone phoenix]

Yeah. It’s not the path issue though

[empty path]

Well I guess your path issue is a different path issue then lol

[vocal pasture]

no?

[empty path]

I'm sure the riddler will help you out soon

[vocal pasture]

there are many paths for the path thing....

[undone phoenix]

Support told me they were aware of the issue, but didn’t have a fix yet.

That’s after they went through to see if it was the path issue

[radiant sky]

stuck on plot loading screen for some plots, but other plots are playable?

[whole spear]

How to send fuel to fuel exchange for use in OW:

[empty path]

Pin it pls 💜

[whole spear]

Max pins reached

need to go through all these pins

too many irrelevant anymore

[empty path]

Oh yeah haha, I remember that in beyond having to remove all those leaks

[radiant sky]

No Background music?

[whole spear]

Not recording my audio in OBS

[uneven pulsar]

how will works.