🎮〕illuvium-zero

[gritty wave]

just fuel today

[thorny crater]

when fuel was high these bonues were crazy lol

[timber sapphire]

Oh lvl3

[gritty wave]

that is great..did you make this?

[thorny crater]

nope @vale cedar i think did

but i saved it haha

[void raft]

yeah, thats my little unbalanced T1, so far behind...

[gritty wave]

was very confusing to people..esp. when they didn't know what the bonus was when buying lol

well glad you all are still grinding and smiling...glad we've lightened the mood in here some 🙂

[void raft]

been like this for several days now and I am just 1/2 way through my fuel needed for Nexus...

[thorny crater]

aw yeah it was too easy. I like it better now, beacsue you HAVE to grind.

igot my t3 to lvl 9 in like 13days ONLY becasue i just didn't want to update my nexus. could have done it in 9-10days. which is meh. before nerf***

now idk lol

[void raft]

10days? when the nexus takes 120 hours to build? or you mean with speed ups?

[thorny crater]

oh yeah thats true...i did buy 100$ pack for 3 builders

so with 1 builder x 3 if not more time before nerf fuels

[void raft]

oh ok, I have only 2

[thorny crater]

gotcha gotcha. yeah that was important context my bad

[proven wharf]

Where should this be built?

[thorny crater]

we have multiple examples with a few scroll ups

[void raft]

T2 can utilize both of them just fine, but on the T1 they are just idle most of the time, at least one of the builders

[void raft]

on a lake and you dont have one 😦

[thorny crater]

i have a t1 and t2 with one builder....so gross to get rid of a plant xD

[proven wharf]

I'm new to this game, do I need to buy land to make money?

[thorny crater]

id do reserach before buying anything

that said yeah f2p does not earn

you get daily mission is about all. unless you like the game it self. IT is fun to me

[proven wharf]

What kind of land do you think is the most cost-effective to buy?

[void raft]

yes you need to buy, to have a chance to earn money, its not guaranteed, that you will be profitable, so as JQTs369 said, do more research first 🙂

[thorny crater]

I am the wrong person to ask that lol.

there are some much more ROI experts who buy to make a profit. I bought for a different reason. Making ROI is a bonus

[open stratus]

So I have the old way of building paths. Should I just delete them all and rearrange? Or how do you go about it efficiently

[void raft]

go to youtube and search for Scoriox or Nijafe plays, they both have videos on this topic, which land to buy, NFA of course

[thorny crater]

here is my T1 example. I rebuilt it to have my scanner on the couners. As you can tell i have no scanner yet:

[open stratus]

I currently have 72 buildings. My nexus 8 is in progress and I need to catch up a lot of other stuff afterwards. So I do have some time. But it seems daunting

[proven wharf]

I understand, I want to play Overworld but I don't have the fuel supply, so I plan to start this game first to provide me with fuel

[void raft]

yes, the old way does not make sense anymore, I think during developement you can do some paths bonus, and then I will decrease that to like 5-10%, 20% is not needed then I think

[thorny crater]

just trying to think ahead casue it is a pain to rearrange after all those power stations ar built

i do a two by two power station build, but adjested for resource placments

[open stratus]

Yeah that's where I'm at. Was doing the old surround the entire building method not realizing you didn't need to anymore

[void raft]

you cannot transfer your fuel from Zero to OW just yet

[thorny crater]

same! haha

thats what i did at first too

just has to touch now

[open stratus]

And so much space for activities still

[open stratus]

Yeah but now it's fked

Useless paths and wasted space everywhere. It's pissing me off

[thorny crater]

lol someone was talking about power stations this morning. they are working on something to make it better.....maybe? not in writing yet

[proven wharf]

Doesn't this game allow you to produce fuel?

[void raft]

I dont look forward to rearranging this...
Even now when I sell some building, plant appears right away 😄

[open stratus]

As level increases so does the efficiency bonus

[thorny crater]

not to play in game yet @proven wharf you can sell then buy

[thorny crater]

nope lol

i wish

[open stratus]

That's what they been talking about

[hazy tartan]

Power plant directly on converters/extractors in squares with path touching all buildings in square on atleast one side

[void raft]

yes, but for now you need to sell on market and buy from market to travel in OW, you cannot use your own fuel just yet

[open stratus]

I know how just what's the easiest method ? Scrap it all and start moving stuff or what

[thorny crater]

oh yeah sorry thats what they said this moring and hoipe they do it

i was think you were making a statement as if that is what it did now

[hazy tartan]

I mean destroy every path then work from there probably best option

[open stratus]

Ugh gonna take forever

[hazy tartan]

You can swipe and delete large sections

[thorny crater]

did it 3-4 times on 3 lands....do it while you have less buildings

[open stratus]

Still have to move like 80 buildings

[thorny crater]

i did a little at a time after a while. my t3 still isnt done

[hazy tartan]

Most of which will be in place, converters by extractors in most cases

[void raft]

I think I have spent like 20-30 hours on my T2 moving buildings and I will still need to do it again 😄

[thorny crater]

i wish there was a "move" mode where we could move multiple
or
"pick up" all building then place then back as needed and confimr wonce every building has been placed back.

[open stratus]

Yeah guess I'm just reluctant to reload the entire thing

[thorny crater]

but not an import fix honeslty for now

[void raft]

resource converters dont need to be near extactors, when you have enough powerstations

[hazy tartan]

in most cases

[upper whale]

anyone can share a full build T4 land pls ?

[proven wharf]

I understand. I want to buy a piece of land to produce fuel for sale and complete some daily tasks. What level of land should I buy?

[open stratus]

What's a good number of converters to have for a fuel

[hazy tartan]

Also I run a t1 I NEED that 30% cause the whole plot is full of converters stealing efficiency from one another

[open stratus]

I find t1 to be agonizing.

If that helps

[thorny crater]

t1- super slow
t2- much much faster
t3 - a BANGER
t4 - idk but i can only guess GODLY

[open stratus]

I'm really just getting going here. Got 5 crypton converters at 140+, yet to spam power stations really

[void raft]

I agree, but T2 has to balanced, otherwise its a pain as well
T3 is kinda more expensive and T4 is if dont know what to do with your 12k or what ever the price is now

[open stratus]

2.4 eth floor last I looked

But some are really really bad ones for t4 lol

[void raft]

dont look at the floor, does not say anything, you want a nice efficient plot, not the cheapest one I think

[open stratus]

I got the cheapest t3 at the time, turned out to be a banger lol

[void raft]

anyway, harvest is running, time to sleep, bb for now

[thorny crater]

i bought this t2 for like $611.93 lol idk why he sold:

had all fuels buildings made up at lvl 1 and all building lvl 5

3 elements and 3 fuels is a golden land. but they run way higher than the rest

converting take a LOT more time

i check land daily for deals like this tho

once illuvium has the rental aspect, ill prolly do that. So i want the land lvl to be low. beacsue that does not reset

ever

[proven wharf]

How to judge whether it is good land

[thorny crater]

3 elements, 3 fuels have at least one of each

to me those are the BEST

but most expensive

[carmine grotto]

what if it's a t4 does it matter? this one for example https://illuvidex.illuvium.io/asset/0x9e0d99b864e1ac12565125c5a82b59adea5a09cd/6219

[open stratus]

Ooof 1 carbon and no hyperion. That's a tough one

[carmine grotto]

lmao thx, I may have dodged a bullet

[foggy sage]

hyperion is needed most for upgrading in zero

a real man steps up and doesnt dodge a challenge

[carmine grotto]

LOOOOOL if i was a millionaire i wouldn't mind but every penny counts XD

[polar cosmos]

did you know that when you buy it?

[foggy sage]

now take out that small personal loan and buy that land brother the ROI is only 20 years at this rate

[thorny crater]

no it was lucky lol

idk how to check that honesltyu

[open stratus]

Stupid roads

[carmine grotto]

imna wait for better opportunities, it's not the time yet.

[foggy sage]

your missing out man most T4 land owners are able to do 2 stage 2 runs a day we are raking in the pennies and celebrating while you remain poor

[carmine grotto]

Hold on, you can use ur fuel in illuvium now?

[open stratus]

But a good s2 run could be worth decent coin

[foggy sage]

yes you can, just need to sell it for 0.00000000000000000000001 first and then buy fuel

https://tenor.com/view/money-cash-so-much-money-rich-calling-gif-27338634

[carmine grotto]

lmaooo

[foggy sage]

Land owners right now

[carmine grotto]

bro u gotta believe in the DOA

[foggy sage]

my address is 123 Kireans asshole zipcode: 42069 City:Dao

[carmine grotto]

TBH if Landowners could use 100% of their fuel in overworld, I would already have bought any T4, sadly this is not the case

[thorny crater]

being worked on....i think

my break down for what i spent. I am not adding any profits until i can

1. max my lands
   and
2. get the API for fuel sells so i can make this dynamic without manual hand entry.

my goals in this order:

• BPs
• use fuel to sell then get free runs
• fun
• profits

[wary skiff]

Hello, I'm a scholar for a team, which means that I have a team that gives me lands, on which I play, and in exchange I get a %. Right now I've got 2 T2s, and I'll get 45% of the income from the lands. Would it be worth spending 11€ of my own money to buy a builder? Can you help me calculate this profitability?
Thanks in advance 🙂

[thorny crater]

sorry my numbers are not complete

[foggy sage]

lol i mean will take you a few weeks to get your 11 bucks back

[thorny crater]

maybe a month or less for my t3 to be maxed

[fiery iris]

It's not tier4 but...

[thorny crater]

this is who i modeled my land after

and honeslty its such a good design, i just wont be making so many power stations, instead labs

[wary skiff]

Yes but is it worth it ?

Compare to maxing the land a bit later, but without paying this 11 bucks

[foggy sage]

eh slightly worth it man

[wary skiff]

So not so much

Why ? How you know ?

[carmine grotto]

@foggy sage Any good T4 lands to sell for 7k $ , I'm sure you have plenty of em

[foggy sage]

hell no dude im to busy making pennies

[thorny crater]

https://tenor.com/view/money-make-it-rain-gif-26525310

dang still got t2 and up listed that have all 3 fuels and elements:

[wary skiff]

Does anyone have real info ? ^^

[thorny crater]

i wont be doing that kind of math for a bit. just basics of my spending to keep track of that

But search the chats. there are some VERY good math peeps in here and i am sure it was talked about

[gray stream]

first stage 9 nexus on a t1 land without buying extra speed ups?
Not that I can buy anything with that 😄

[open stratus]

Thanks that's helpful

Is that the maximum converters you can get though? Doesn't seem like a lot idk

Power stations are insanity

[wary skiff]

How much fuel each tier can farm when maxed ? Do we have any guy's who made maths ?

[silver plover]

I don't have the patience yet, I start saving then see a squirrel that also could use that fuel and there it goes

[open stratus]

What do you get from a t1 nowadays 😆

[foggy sage]

you get a hand shake

[silver plover]

you get to watch all your resources be full as you wait for fuel to be able to do anything

[foggy sage]

https://tenor.com/view/bbdtbc-bow-gif-24461955

[gray stream]

you guys get something from your land?

[foggy sage]

https://tenor.com/view/kenny-were-the-millers-you-guys-are-getting-paid-will-poulter-gif-15947352

every t1 owner after the update lol

surprise they didnt frame as "congrats all T1 you have been upgraded and promoted to 'Free To Play Status'"

[undone dagger]

It's like I say: If you don't want it anymore because it's worthless, give it to me :v

[thorny crater]

This is amazing

[thorny crater]

I got a good t2 for CHEAP

lol

Y’all selling I’m buying cheap lol. Make some of your investment back haha

[foggy sage]

for real lol not even an email saying thank you lol,75Million dollars raised 3 years and this TFT game is what we got lol

[thorny crater]

Felling cute my rent in the future…idk tho

[foggy sage]

lol

[wary skiff]

Anyone ? ☺️

[thorny crater]

Not gunna lie. I’m not a fan of the battles. I like more action and less time in battles.

BUT the Pokémon nostalgia in ow is amazing. And I love zero

[thorny crater]

#📣〕announcements go here then go to land updates

It has converter and fuel numbers after nerf

[foggy sage]

you love building them power stations ever since you were a little boy

[thorny crater]

Like 2-3 posts up

[thorny crater]

Civilization 4 test of time haha

[foggy sage]

some people i know say Zero is better then Civ they get hooked on building power stations

lol no kidding hahahahah

[fiery iris]

T3 produces 450 baseline not including converters cause everyone has a different amount of converters t4 produces 1350 baseline

[wary skiff]

Yes but it's not precise to how much a T4 can real farm.
And how much time to max Land ?

[wary skiff]

Per day ?

[foggy sage]

for now yes per day word on the street is that will be per year so that way fuel inflation doesnt ruin the economy

[fiery iris]

Yes with no time reduction bonus

[wary skiff]

But, actually, 1000 fuel = 2$, 'right ? Is it really worth it to farm a land ? (Or my maths are wrong ?)

[foggy sage]

If im honest i find my self just wanting to play gauntlet and build teams over world feels like a slow chore

If it wasnt for the air drop points probably would.just stick with gaunltet or arena free mode

[wary skiff]

If anyone is interest about speak maths with me, my DM are open. I really try to understand and find a good way to invest

[foggy sage]

Yo i got a question, how long before fuel prices go back up or should we lower fuel production again

[wary skiff]

Why this question ?

[foggy sage]

Cause you like to calculate figure this would keep you busy for a few months

[wary skiff]

I don't like calculate, i just try to know how much can i win with lands 😅

Maybe the prices or the fuel production will change, but today, i try to answer : "is it worth it"

[thorny crater]

Fuel will more than likely go back up…if demand comes

[ivory badger]

I think all the owners of tier3 and tier4 lands are going to get most of the 5% give to people that sell fuel, so far all my tier 1 and tier2 lands have not been able to make any fuel to sell, I have been keeping it for upgrades

[thorny crater]

Anyone maxed a t1’s fuels yet?

[wary skiff]

What is the "5% give to people" that you talkikg about ?

[thorny crater]

5% of “gross”/or net fuels sales are supposed to go to land owners

[ivory badger]

If you sell fuel the 5% is what to doa gives

I’m fucked on getting any of that 5%

[thorny crater]

I wish they just took 95% and give me 5% it’s much simpler that way

[vapid jolt]

If I understand correctly, is this because fuel production is very low?

[wary skiff]

I don't understand the 5%

What is "doa" ?

What is the 95% left ?

[ivory badger]

Oops ment dao

[thorny crater]

From 3/6/2024

#🎮〕illuvium-zero message

@wary skiff

[ivory badger]

I won’t get any of the 5% because have never sold any fuel yet

[thorny crater]

Seems the case you have to sell to get the %

[vapid jolt]

Trying to understand this part:

"so far all my tier 1 and tier2 lands have not been able to make any fuel to sell,"

[thorny crater]

My t2 does make enough to sell but I don’t. I reinvest in the land only. T1 I barely work.

T3….banger

T4 -idk but has to be godly

[vapid jolt]

Got it

[thorny crater]

Gotcha. It’s a short post but give you the jest of it.

[wary skiff]

So if i understand well, illuvium take 95% of the transaction for create and maintain the system ? That's what's explain ?

[thorny crater]

Oh gotcha. No when I sell I get whatever I sold it for. He is some example sells, either testing the market or for stage 1 runs.

Those that have an “x” on the right were canceled

That 300 was the right before nerf. I had so much fuel I couldn’t store it all. This is only the t3

About to get to that level again though. Maxing the nexus now, then fuels, storage, then bam.

Also to use scanner for biodata cost 6 of each fuel at level 1, same to research the biodata for blue prints.

This can all be done without thinking really

Now a t2, you can not do this. I made that mistake trying to auto scan/lab while building. You have to be more strategic.

But I have 3 Hyperion fuels if I had all 3…maybe

[vapid jolt]

noob question, buy if you transfer/sell your Land does it lose all its structures/progression?

[thorny crater]

No that’s was fixed rather quickly.

BUT all the coins and builders go bye bye in a sell. Not sure about transfer though.

[ivory badger]

Same here , but I’m getting all my land built to max before I sell fuel

[thorny crater]

Coins and builder are account based. That would be a mod question for sure

It’s why level do not reset

I could get infinite coins off a t1

Just find the best level to reset and do it forever

This is the levels. 201 being max currently

Oh interesting

The t3 I bought I had to reset it bc there was still a bug with buildings, that’s was fixed, I did not get any builder nor do I know how to check before/after the sale if that was a thing

So I’d like to know how to check this. If so, it had the builders, I’m owed two builder lol

Naw usually take 2days to a week for me. So far anyway

But will do

[opal thistle]

Builders don't transfer with the plot

[polar cosmos]

grindinn T2

[junior hollow]

are the fuel converters earning passive fuel? mine doesn't seem to be doing so

[timber sapphire]

Mine are

[atomic zealot]

I think there was a total of 2 eth of fuel transactions in the last 13 hours

[polar cosmos]

You need to have enough power stations near the converters, sometimes the converters don't work properly even if they show they have enough power, check that and make sure to have enough 😉 just increase level of your power stations or build more

sorry for my english, im from poland xDxDxD

[junior hollow]

thanks for the info, i'll do that.

[polar cosmos]

i had the same problem before, it's like a bug still

[junior hollow]

yeah it sat for several days and didn't earn any, i bet that's the problem, not enough power

[polar cosmos]

need to repair by the team

[polar cosmos]

it must be, be sure if u have enough power

[polar cosmos]

even if it shows you have enough power to mine, it's a bug in the game that needs to be fixed.

[lyric hamlet]

I still don't know the purpose of the paths

I wrapped it around my fuel source?

I don't get it

[pseudo pulsar]

@lyric hamlet look at it as a circuit board

[polar cosmos]

for example if u have 200 conected buildings via paths, you will gain more 20% time less to extract fuels

[quartz salmon]

Trying to sell fuel and I get "Error on order creation, please retry". Any ideas on how to resolve?

[plucky venture]

Honestly, the paths are not really worth the time until you get to Nexus 6 or 7. Then you have 50-100 buildings that can give you some noticeable time difference. I wouldn't worry about them until that point. Once I hit Nexus 7, I've been spending a bit to move buildings around and lay out paths ... but before that, I don't really care about the 2% time margin on a 45 minute timer.

[noble willow]

but then you limit the number of people who want to buy one straight away. Micro economics

[noble willow]

what cost is there for moving buildings? I don't see any resources go when I do, or are you just saying time spent?

[heavy hamlet]

No cost for moving buildings

[plucky venture]

Yes - sorry, missed a key word there. I meant "spending time." Sometimes a couple of hours.

[heavy hamlet]

A couple hours moving buildings? Seriously?

[noble willow]

I like using the paths, it helps me set out things logically, and even if it's only 4 or 5 percent it still does speed up resource generation. When're you're spending most if not all of a resource to uplift your power etc it can mean an extra one done each day.

[plucky venture]

Definitely had a surge of OCD ...

But I put zero into base layout until 6 or 7. I just don't see paths as that useful until then, and so ... just put the stuff down and put some power around them. There isn't so much to do with laying things out until I need to start placing multiple converters and paths around. And you are lucky to have one decently efficient converter by 6. I typically build a wide circle of power stations and swap the converters into and out of it to use "the one place with good efficiency."

[pseudo pulsar]

@heavy hamlet start early take lil more time as you build along the way try not to back track

[plucky venture]

I'm not suggesting others play this way, per se. You do you. "One more building in a day" is playing extremely optimized and ready to click as soon as the timer expires. My IZ sits on a tablet next to my main computer screen. I pop it open from time to time through the day, but it's just not worth being meticulous (to me) until you have enough buildings and converters to have to care more about placement.

FWIW - just bought the worst T4, yesterday. lol ... either the smartest or dumbest bag I'll ever hold. In any case, this thing is insane compared to my previous plots. It's BREEZING through the levels. It barely feels like the same game as T1 or T2.

[pseudo pulsar]

@plucky venture T1 plot I'm working I'm pulling the back molar right now

[undone dagger]

Y'know what I want as a pet project

Gimme a T2 land

That's 6 Carbon and 3 Solon

[noble willow]

LOL I get to have it sitting open all the time, so it's not a problem. somewhat unique work set up where I am

And I don't mind the grind.

[plucky venture]

If I did that, I would get no work done at all. I nearly have to wear horse blinders as it is.

[thorny crater]

Ok I thought they were account bound too. thanks!

[analog basin]

They should be, I have been sending follow up bug reports on this for the last 3 weeks

Yea it's a real pain as I only have 1 Solon on my T3. Not only can I only get Solon through convertors my Silicon stack builds up and maxes out all the time as there is nothing to spend it on.

[inland nebula]

For a level 2, how come it’s half way, but it still has 0 passive fuel? It’s at 150%. Does anyone have the similar issue?

[thorny crater]

I thought it was a bug but if you go to #📣〕announcements and scroll up to the ZERO update they have teh passive rates in the link

[inland nebula]

“3 every 12 days in 2 cycles” this is for level 2, but what does “2 cycles” mean?

Isn’t this yellow bar meant for 12 days per circle?

[thorny crater]

not sure but 3/288hours(12days ) = 0.0104166666666667/hour

also i think when we convert that time stops

[ancient nacelle]

Hey is anyone aware if there is a was to track fuels usage as we build out our plots and scan/research etc?

[junior hollow]

yeah keep leveling up the power plants next to the converter

[thorny crater]

leder click on filter and the buy distributions

you can select fuels as well

[ancient nacelle]

I'm not sure what you mean.

[inland nebula]

How come, if it has enough of power, do I still need to level up? It’s already shows max 150%.

[thorny crater]

illuvidex

[junior hollow]

this is from Marcin: You need to have enough power stations near the converters, sometimes the converters don't work properly even if they show they have enough power, check that and make sure to have enough 😉 just increase level of your power stations or build more

[ancient nacelle]

But I'm not buying the fuels to use in zero. I'm talking about the fuels we use in zero to build etc.

[thorny crater]

oh i have no clue what your asking lol

fuel usage? the upgrades tell you how much fuel it will use when you need to upgrade and stuff

[ancient nacelle]

Basically a way to track the fuel usage in zero alone. As it

[inland nebula]

That’s new to me, I haven’t been leveling power stations, most of them are at lvl 1, I thought the displayed 150% is an indicator I have enough of power. Otherwise, it will show me “pause” because of lack of power.

[ancient nacelle]

I would like to know if there is a way to account for it as it is the only assest at this point that is produced that has value.

[thorny crater]

What does fuel usage mean to you?

oh yeah what it buys and sells for?

[junior hollow]

Marcin said there is a visual bug where it shows the converter have enough power but they still don't produce passive fuels, just keep leveling up the power plant

[noble willow]

but it won't show power lack for passive because there is nothing to do?

[thorny crater]

thats the ledger on the illuvidex

[inland nebula]

Thank you, that’s good to know.

[ancient nacelle]

As you said the fuels that we use as we upgrade, scan and research. I want to know how I account for what is used.

[thorny crater]

idk how to help you haha

what is fuel usage to you. liek what is use to upgrade building or what people buy to play OW

[junior hollow]

hope more people are aware of that so they don't lose passive fuels

[inland nebula]

I’m not sure I understand your question.

[ancient nacelle]

I'm trying to work out boring tax stuff. If we get taxed on what we sell, we should be able to write off what we use to build and run our business(landplot).

[wraith surge]

Apologies if this has been asked a million times but is it possible to rent my land out to my friend without transferring it out of my wallet?

[noble willow]

it only pauses for active jobs as far as I can see. I thought you were talking about getting passive fuels from the converters over the 288 hours

[thorny crater]

ok its buying and selling. go to the illuvidex, go to fuel exhange go to ledger

[inland nebula]

I can see your logic behind it. But I wish I knew this sooner.

[paper sleet]

Do the element generators really take 288 hours to passively produce?

[meager flint]

I don’t think so, it takes around 4-5 days to get 100%

Not sure though

[thorny crater]

yeah i was asking if io sell my plot do the builder go with it. thats a no

it starts back at one

[ancient nacelle]

Has anyone else had an issue with the scanner pausing?

I have enough power around it but each time I try to start it it remains paused.

I've wasted over 100 fuels trying to start it and having to cancel it. It's shit because it's a level 3 scanner and I don't want to have to trash it and start again.

[junior depot]

Nope

[tardy falcon]

What’s the mood? I been out for a couple days

[stuck vine]

Still fear

Down still go down

[tardy falcon]

Ooo oki 👀

[radiant sky]

Try to Upgrade. Powerstation nearby or/and move the Scanner arround and restart, helped for many others
And Report bug ingame 🙂

[ancient nacelle]

Yeah I put a 3500 power station next to it that wasn't reaching any other building, also move it around thr plot and didn't help.

[vivid cipher]

Doubtful

[thorny crater]

Ooo good question. If you rent of the land I think the builder should stay. That way a higher price can be negotiated in the rent

Aw just read Jesse’s response lol

[analog basin]

Not a scanner but a Solon Dredge. Stops starts and goes back to the start again and then gets stuck. Had this issue ever since Zero launched on main-net. Report also in from the start

[flat steeple]

I thought they were tied to the account they were bought on. So if you owned multiple lands. You just had to buy once and can use them on all land.

Is that not how it works?

[thorny crater]

I just reported this. Mine was pausing as well but only a lvl 3 scanner

Coins are by account. Builders are by plot, but if you sell, trade, or rent it’s not worth getting them….maybe. To many what if to do the math on it imo

[noble willow]

no that's fuel

[ancient nacelle]

Yeah I've reported also.

[ionic oracle]

Hey guys. Getting absolutely no help from support. I have a plot that after day two froze up. Lot is blank and there's no animation. Has this happened to anyone and is there a fix?

[shut wave]

Iv heard if youve left no space for plants then this can happen.

[ionic oracle]

Oh I was only 2 days into building so there was lots and lots of space LOL

[flat steeple]

Not to sure, I could have sworn someone said it was spread on plots you own during IZ launch.
Maybe it’s just builders tied to your account for the specific land. If that’s the case, you can lend land and on return it remains with your builders on return?

[grand silo]

plants from 5mins to 5 seconds! they are a pain in the arse

[shut wave]

Oh not sure than.

Does anyone know if this reduced fuel output is temporary or permanent? What if the number of players in OW go up and instead of returning the existing land to peak output they just do a new land sale instead?

Would love some communication on what the plans are for this.

[serene iris]

There has been no comment from anyone offical on this.

Which tells me they havnt actually made their mind up yet.

I would expect the worst and hope for the best, especially if your planning on buying/selling land

[vivid cipher]

Depends on how the on chain transactions are done. Currently any land being transferred means that the land will lose its extra builders. The only exception is between the passport and secondary wallet connected to that account.

I don’t often entertain “what if” when there’s nothing indicating an upcoming change to the current system.

[vivid cipher]

I believe that There are guidelines in place from past DAO governance that provides the state needed before any future land sales.

[rocky breach]

So 20% is the highest Path Bonus, even if you get 200+ buildings all touching a path it doesn't go to 21%. I wish I knew that before.

[dim stream]

How does path bonus work? Is it just # buildings touching a path?

[junior hollow]

land sale brings more revenue, increasing fuel production for current lands doesn't. so i think that would be an easy choice for the team if there is more demand for fuel.

[ionic wharf]

10 buildings touching the path will give you 1% path bonus.

[dim stream]

Cheers

[tardy falcon]

Having a land sale before there is a decent roi on current lands would be a big fat F U to landowners and you would see a lot of people exit imo

[empty path]

Yeah I don't think a land sale now would be a good idea 😅

[noble willow]

what's the outcome if I click collect on this:

[twin talon]

100% - already so rekt on the first sale, not to mention anything purchased since then... You would think with the amount the land owners contributed they would do something to assist

[lapis gulch]

So in terms of skins we can get in zero. I've gotten stage 1 skins for a specific drone. Does this mean there are 3 stages for each illuvials for each drone?

[cursive frigate]

Gm

[slim wigeon]

don't think a landsale ever would be a good idea. Just increase fuel output if too many players and prices out of hand 😉

[lucid plank]

Want to buy your 2|3 tier land or swap on my money + tier5 stage 3 my illuvials

[junior hollow]

team has shown they care more about the long term health of the ecosystem over landowners' interests. Besides landowners have threaten to leave for awhile now, they will only get replaced by others.

[tardy falcon]

Yah… that would be my out point. Will see if it comes to that. Certainly hope not.

[cursive frigate]

Morning zeros

[junior hollow]

don't worry, landsale will only happens when there are more demand, so your land will be worth more anyway

[cursive frigate]

Pls what's happing I have try so many times to catch the illuvium but I haven't not seen anything yet

[junior hollow]

in overworld or zero?

[cursive frigate]

Zero

[junior hollow]

scanner at maximum efficiency?

[cursive frigate]

Level

??

It's on level 1

[junior hollow]

yeah what effiency of scanner?

[cursive frigate]

Ahh my discord isn't allowing me to share the picture of my land 😮

But I see some people can do so

[junior hollow]

you want efficiency closest to 100% as possible for the scanner. keep it away from trees and buildings. power plants are ok

[cursive frigate]

Pls share examples of pictures for me 🙏

And you mean I should cut all my plants in the land?

[junior hollow]

near the scanner

[devout panther]

What s the difference beteween power plants and tree?

[ionic wharf]

You can check your efficiency by clicking on the eye button, also other useful stuff is in there. When moving buildings around keep efficiency turned on to see the effects of the buildings when moving around them.

[junior hollow]

i'm sorry i meant power stations

[pearl marten]

Sent a fr req

[pearl marten]

Trees don't affect the efficiency of the scanners

[noble crag]

so trees affect efficiency? only scanner or other buildings as well?

[timber sapphire]

They did in the alpha if I remember correctly

[junior hollow]

i guess that's changed now, trees and power stations don't affect efficiency

[slim ice]

It's actually working now for me, only from mobile app though. Not working when completing task from pc.

Generally I've found the PC version to have a lot more bugs

[vocal oracle]

Would any have any tips on getting my first piece of land, I do have a few things for sale for example a lesser dark holo, and a few bit others, but was wondering if anyone had some tip

[slim flint]

I have 2x Tier 2 lands. How much are lands like this currently generating? Trying to figure out if its worth the time to play.

[low river]

Since today my first land does not load, it look like this (On pc and my phone). Anyone has this issue?

[desert elbow]

i cant play on my android today , frozen on first screen picture

[low river]

today also?

[desert elbow]

message its from today so yes

[uneven atlas]

Just purchased a land plot and it's auto listed now to re-sell it and when i click unlist it says IMX connection closed? But i can list and unlist all my other Illuvium assets?

[pseudo pulsar]

@desert elbow reset

[thorny crater]

I reported this last night, but my bottom right scanner, once I got it to lvl 3 it stops scanning. Been stuck at 21h 2m for over 12 hours now

[uneven atlas]

Now my new plot has 3 different for sale things on it. Check out Halycon Sea -546 -493

[desert elbow]

? i reinstall the game and it did not help

[twin knot]

Maybe a power issue just like we had with the Solon extractor? UI not showing but try upgrade your power station

Or move the scanner slightly

[thorny crater]

Nah I have extra batteries around it, but a 2500 lvl battery as well and

[desert elbow]

was the issue of loosing progress while switching between phone and pc solved?

[thorny crater]

It says 100%

[pseudo pulsar]

@desert elbow did you clear the cache

[thorny crater]

I hate canceled it around 6:30pm last night too to see if restarting it would help but nope

I did report it then, but if anyone else has this happen. Please report it so it goes to the top of the list of big to dos

[pseudo pulsar]

@desert elbow i just logback in starts again most times

[twin knot]

100% is the efficiency not the power but I think you know that already. I just know I had the same issue in the past after upgrading my Solon extractor and that did the trick

[thorny crater]

Yup yup, didn’t mean to click that one lol

[twin knot]

That's annoying you lost the fuel then. Like I said trying to upgrade the small level power stations around won't cost much at all.

How do you find the cost for research on a T2 by the way? I'm struggling personally the entire daily fuel production is being thrown into research

It seems we really have to choose one path or the other...

[desert elbow]

sure

[pseudo pulsar]

@desert elbow the icons hold it up on otherthings

[thorny crater]

Yeah I move all lvl 4 power station there and nothing

I can cancel it and restart, a t3 has a crap ton of extra fuel, but still….i did that once already

[fathom burrow]

so I found a blueprint in zero, how to transfer it to the illuvidex and create it ? and i'm still unable to mint the alpha blueprints, what's going on with those? I see some people were able to mint those

[pearl marten]

Even for a T3 you will have to make that decision cuz at high lvl/later stages your entire production goes into research and scanning

[pearl marten]

It's not live yet. We can't mint BPs at the moment

[open stratus]

Research and scanning is outttttt. Fuel only

[shut wave]

Max land output for my t4 plot now is reduced to just app 1500 total fuel per day. T3 is almost worthless. My dreams have all 9/11'd pretty hard 😪

[open stratus]

So t3 can do what about 500 or so

[vocal pasture]

When I have the VPN on, zero stucks frozen at first screen. When its off, everything works fine. Dont know it that might help you

[vocal pasture]

vpn

[uneven atlas]

Anyone had this happen to them before?

[mossy sorrel]

this plant reload thing is kind of annoying

[grave island]

slumlord as someone had said.

[thorny crater]

Is that total fuel or 1500/fuel

[mossy sorrel]

total...

[thorny crater]

So if all fuel sells that $10.29/ day to click buttons, once a day.

That’ll take 330.8843537414966 or 331 days to break even on a t3

That’s the best investment ever. On real property in real life you only get 12-15%\year

And that’s dealing with new roofs, rentors not paying, evictions, govt, and Corp legal crap

[pearl marten]

But a T3 produces only 450/day (without converter - but thoe don't add much)

[thorny crater]

When you get yours maxed let me know. Everyone will be slightly different

[pearl marten]

So it's actually 3x longer than your estimate ...
Mine is max lvl

[thorny crater]

Depends.

You’re may be different than mine. Do you have 2 of each fuel type?

[pearl marten]

Total production of fuel 450 from extractors + about 50 from converters but not daily

3-2-1

[thorny crater]

Or do you have to convert for one fuel type. That’ll lower your land $ output.

[pearl marten]

What difference does it make? i'm converting at a 1:1 so in the end it's still 450 output

[thorny crater]

Having all 3 fuels are golden lands. lol if I can buy more of those I will

Anyone selling their t3 for 1k? If you believe the project failed minus well take a loss now while it’s high

I’ll buy

I’ll pay 2k if you have all 3 fuel x2

[pearl marten]

I haven't said the project failed or didn't even hinted at that 🙂
I'm just trying to say what actually a T3 can earn/day at current prices - which is about $3.1 and not $10+ as you stated

[thorny crater]

Mine has 1 hype, 2 so lona, and 3 crypton.

Crypton I think will be the cheapest fuel in the end. So mine will take longer. I think Solon will be the highest later…opinion only due to fusing. Or if it cost that for gyms

[pearl marten]

And that is if you don't put anything back into researching or scanning - so it must be a purely fuel focused plot

[thorny crater]

Sorry not toward you specifically lol, it for for the chat as a whole. but other who have land have Sid this project is a “scam” “rug pull” etc. those people I’ll buy your land

[lethal wyvern]

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[pearl marten]

Oh okay .. didn't read above 😄

[thorny crater]

True. I’m meant if you goal is just fuel ROI.

I care more about BPs and on a t 3 I have all my scanner and labs going constantly

And still have extra fuel. I’m not even max yet lol

1 more day till lvl 9 nexus

[pearl marten]

But what lvl are your scanners and labss?

[desert elbow]

not many ppl said that .. but its pretty obvious that zero holders have low priority...

[thorny crater]

4 scanners(1 lvl 3 is bugged) 4 labs but will add more

[pearl marten]

Cuz at max lvl, 5 scanners + 5 labs take 540 fuel/day to keep them going

[thorny crater]

Pft 331 day money back a GREAT investment in the real world

Idk about crypto cause this is the only game/investment I’ll prolly ever do

Crypto is to CEO/sharholder/blackrock greedy for me

[pearl marten]

Yeah .. so you will see that when you upgrade your research and scanners you won't have enough fuel

[thorny crater]

Same mind frames

[pearl marten]

It's not 331 days ..it's actually ~1100 days

[thorny crater]

Yeah I’ll need to balance, but I’ll over do BPs on purpose

Idk about selling fuel yet lol

For me it was 331 days

If I can make 1500 fuel each day

[desert elbow]

its no point to do long time calculation here, they can change it again anytime

[pearl marten]

1500 you can produce from 3x Tier 3 plots focused only on fuel

[thorny crater]

-$3,404.80 is what I paid for my t3. 1500 fuel in todays market is 10.29 per day

To click buttons lol

I don’t even have to think really. Just see what fuel sells for, then match or go a tad lower. Sell

Can’t wait till I get there

[pearl marten]

idk if you really don't understand what i'm saying but how are you producing 1500 fuel from a T3 every day?
Pleasse do share

[thorny crater]

https://tenor.com/view/illuvium-illuviumio-ilv-yield-farming-gif-22225026

[desert elbow]

no its not .. price is half with bonus ...

[pearl marten]

Max output for a T3 is 450 fuel (extractors at max level) .. which means you get 3$ per day (current price).. which means you will get your money back in 1100 days

[desert elbow]

youll get 1500 fuel under 5 bucks

you guys dont count bonus lol

[thorny crater]

This person said it. I was replying to them

#🎮〕illuvium-zero message

Mine is not maxed yet so idk lol

[pearl marten]

He is producing that much because he said he has a T4 ... you should read more careful

[thorny crater]

Like I said it will be DIFFERENT for each owner depending on their goals

Ok let’s do that math

[pearl marten]

THIs -> #🎮〕illuvium-zero message

[desert elbow]

1500 fuel is 4.65$

[thorny crater]

992.6530612244898 days

For me. 993 days to break even

About 2 3/4 years. Much high still better than 15-30 with apartments lol

[desert elbow]

did you update price of fuel

[thorny crater]

Just say 3 years if demand never increase could be higher or lower depending on your fuel. If it falls then we all loss anyway

[pearl marten]

Fiiinaaally you got it 😄 ... it's a big difference between 330 days and 993

[thorny crater]

Yup it’s 6am no coffee yet thank you for correcting me lol

[desert elbow]

whats the fuel price in your calculation?

[shut wave]

Just some online feedback from someone on youtube.. https://youtu.be/C8OV8dfNmDE?si=wad8tu7MH5TrCBHG

[thorny crater]

True. If consumer expense isn’t increased it’ll only be crypto people playing which is about at max a 25billion $ market share. Web 2 has 150billion+ market share

[shut wave]

I dont agree with everything but barrier to entry is a real 1

[thorny crater]

If we can break into that fuel would go down more than likely but BP would/could sky rocket

[shut wave]

Total fuel t4

[dapper crater]

Is T0 even worth playing? I downloaded from playstore and not interested in crypto

[shut wave]

Im talking about tier 4

[thorny crater]

Yeah my bad I didn’t have coffee yet. I was corrected lol

One time is enough

[thorny crater]

Got it

[thorny crater]

Got it

[thorny crater]

Can’t sell fuel. Just for daily missions and fun

So up to you

[atomic zealot]

Everything he says about the overworld is true. I can't believe it took them 4 years and almost $100M to make that nonsense

[thorny crater]

Yeah see thing like this does make me concerned with crypto. In general.

[dapper crater]

Yeah, maybe they will make something extra for T0 players in future once user base increases

[thorny crater]

Yes sell you lands please lol

I’ll still buy t3 for 1 k each. Make the money back while you can lol

Ok ok enough of me being provocative this morning. But I’m still looking

[atomic zealot]

I watched it before and yeah you're right, makes me trust them way less that they can actually change this into a good game

They made less than 4 eth yesterday

[pearl marten]

The landsale generated actually about $8M - the rest was purchased with sILV2

[atomic zealot]

And need 6 million a month to stay afloat

And what vc is gonna give them money after these disastrous numbers

gg

I heard 19%? Not sure but I saw an interview with Kieran where he expressed concern about burn rate and said they need $6M a month

We are on track to make less than $200K a month

Before rev dis

[uneven pulsar]

but that orice that you see in ledger is different that you recived if y see 10$ - youu recived only 5

[thorny crater]

Sell me your land

Just read above some already think it’s a failure. They have their mind made up, I’m just looking for the cheap deals now

I’ll be here till either Illuvium crash or goes to the moon as the used to say lol

[uneven pulsar]

i mean you calculated like 12$ in day but when i see 12 on ledger - in wallet only 6. so its not 1 yera ist 2

[atomic zealot]

I don't see how they can raise more with today's player/income numbers especially in today's monetary policy.

[foggy sage]

So upgrading scanners and converters to max stage still cost 600 fuel thats rough since thry screwed us

[mortal smelt]

lower tiers are gonna have a hard time trying to max storage AND upgrade after nexus 9

[foggy sage]

And forget about spending 600 htperion to upgrade 5 scanners they wont be able to do it

They basically shut off apart of their game to lower tier land owners

[mortal smelt]

maybe in the year 3020

[foggy sage]

By the illuvium zero 2 will be out

[mortal smelt]

plus the 100k plots kek

why is the podarium so gargantuan?

waste of space imo the plants grow anyway

[foggy sage]

Keeping 100% this air drip is the only reason in playing other wise the game is kinda borning out side of the tft but you dont 75Million and 3 years for a TFT

[radiant sky]

the podarium features aren't implemented yet

[foggy sage]

Just a half baked idea they added dont bother with it

[mortal smelt]

totally I feel you

[thorny crater]

Glad you’re thinking consumer experience now. Yes this is more important than roi

[foggy sage]

Brother been thinking about consuner experience for the start.

Never once was ROI at the fore front of my statements

I had plan to spend most of fuel powering runs for over world and fusing stuff

But thats all gone now and over world gets pretty dam borning after 300 times doing it

Basiaclly just an interactive pack opener

[mortal smelt]

well the cycle of playing into illuvium using land was completely halted plus the games in total do not have the player retention needed in the games.

[foggy sage]

And most of the cards are garbage and the. You gotta get lucky to catch the only thing worth a dam in a run with good stats

They probably wont as they are putting ROI ahead of consumer experience for the time being.

[desert elbow]

souds unbias like CNN reporters...

[atomic zealot]

Really, who wants to pay every run for a bad game. Makes no sense

[mortal smelt]

they should have stage 0 with different difficulties with the ghost illuvials so that you can gain experience at the least

[thorny crater]

Ah gotcha. Used to so many in here saying “I need” roi to be this or that I forget who said what.

That said, hell yeah I’m with you on consumer experience lol

https://tenor.com/view/i-apologize-kareem-johnson-games-people-play-im-sorry-forgive-me-gif-24053784

[thorny crater]

This is such a great idea!

T0 you can catch those ghost guys, but they can not be used on paid runs, or compatible arena

[mortal smelt]

bingo

[thorny crater]

This way the t0 peeps will have a fear of loss aspect, or fear of missing out where they want to pay

[mortal smelt]

that way they can get a taste of what the real game is like as well

[thorny crater]

PLUS for the devs it “shouldn’t” be that hard to implement. Since the ghost mons have something in the code that makes them “ghosts” just use the same part as a barrier to paid/competitive stuff

[mortal smelt]

how long is the vacation for?

[thorny crater]

Till today I hear

D

22nd*

That’s how marketing works

I have my masters from Harvard in business lol. Bachelors from ULL tho

That’s part of the fear part. If it’s a good product you have a fear of missing a good item lol

[foggy sage]

Or reduce fuel

[rugged tiger]

what is wrong with fuel selling once again? we are at 6 figures of 0 now, wth? while bonus is lower than ever before. is this normal and i just wont get it, or what has just happened?

[thorny crater]

Buying a selling Diane is mostly emotional responses that why there is a term called buyer remorse. Which I ALOT of land owners who speak in here have

[foggy sage]

Prior to the fuel nerf i had it all planned what i could spend on runs my hyperion needs to craft the shards i thought i would need to be able to catch everything and then whay solon i needed to craft my BIS all that is gone

[thorny crater]

But I been looking at wallets. They have some whale I have never seen speak at all yet.

[thorny crater]

Yeah dealing with Zillow/corporation and the govt is a pain in the a&$ to for real este

In 2020 Zillow and Redfin were paying 200k+ over listen price with no inspection. How TF am I supossed to compete with that

[foggy sage]

I said something similar to that after friday i said they are the federal reserve and can print momey and we are just the little guy who gets told bite the pillow

[thorny crater]

You have to adopt overcome and survive or be eatin alive…

https://tenor.com/view/bars-bars-conceited-reginald-sergile-yo-mtv-raps-s1e4-gif-25830290

lol I didn’t mean for that to rhyme lol

[foggy sage]

What people spent on land would have been better not buying and spending that much buying fuel with their usd. You have so much fuel and be able to play the game for probably years.

Ill be honest this is a video game and from years of playing video games is that if they launch in a bad buggy states and punish their player base they usually dont get the player base numbers they wanted even if there was alot of additional hype.

By the time they find a happy middle ground the damage and reputation and player base are all damage hurt and moved on.

I have countless examples in my steam library of this

Once in a generation you get a no mans sky revival but that took them 5 or 6 years to do. With every big update being free

https://tenor.com/view/alvin-and-the-chipmunks-alvin-whoops-my-bad-oops-gif-15512287650458333097

[atomic zealot]

Yeah everyone says "buy cheap" but cheap compared to what? Lol land prices can easily drop another 90% with current roi

[atomic zealot]

Yes, the problem is is took them this long and that much money to make the current game...I'm having a hard time understanding...you have a few devs in a basement that make amazing games

[undone dagger]

Let them, gimme $20 Land

[foggy sage]

With out having the 25million they raised in pre sales etc

[shut wave]

Let's be clear. Us as primary investors in the project obviously want the project to succeed! So im just looking everywhere and I think we need a lot of improvements. I mean when I come home I am tounging to play COD online and shoot mofos. But for Illuvium to get to that stage it needs some real experienced game developers on board. Imnot even sure whats going on. These guys seem so promising!

[foggy sage]

Factoring in the cost of running scanns and running material labs my t4 wont even have enough left over for 1 single stage 3 run day

[atomic zealot]

Yup, and some actually build their own engine too....

[mortal smelt]

it was the pressure they put on themselves particularly Kieran on having a playable game and putting dates that should seem impossible.

[foggy sage]

Classic gaming development trope that always ends badly.

[atomic zealot]

I'm convinced neither of them are actual gamers

[foggy sage]

Would you be gamer with 25 million raised i would be off doing lines off my yacht and coming up with other ideas

[shut wave]

Like the video makes a valid point. 3 games as a new studio. Is very ambitious. It looks very hard to win big with the current gameplay. Not rladdictive at all. I do enjoy playing zero. But only because i see money at the end of sale of fuel. Otherwise I wouldn't be playing it.

[errant pollen]

So now is basically 4 times harder to develop a plot

[foggy sage]

I didnt even see money from it though i saw it as a means to play over world and build a strong team to take to arena. And be able to have solid continuous access to all parts of the game with out having to swipe my credit card.

[atomic zealot]

Lol yeah I actually love gaming...I might be gaming from a beautiful apartment but still gaming

[shut wave]

If someone asked me for my unbiased opinion as a gamer since 1990s. Iv played more fun games on ps1 and cartridges.

[foggy sage]

I mean yea who hasnt, this is a auto battle interactive slot machine

[atomic zealot]

Thanks for being honest...if people were being honest on these channels a few years ago I think we'd have a better game today

[undone dagger]

I gotta be deadpan

Illuvium Zero is a no, especially with no F2P profit
Illuvium Overworld kinda fun tho

[foggy sage]

Overworkd for a little is good but so many illuvials have crap stats that they are useless to catch and use on ur team

[atomic zealot]

Also the free packs in arena are over powered so...why bother

[thorny crater]

im buying land. make some money back now before it goes lower lol

1k for t3w lol

[obsidian falcon]

Enjoy the bitcoin miner and fucking up your pcs 😂

[atomic zealot]

The worst part is that the devs have been silent, no one is talking

[shut wave]

I think whats happened here is (and this has happened to me before). These guys have been too confident in their own judgement. Even a little bit of an echo chamber effect, its so easy to get carried away and convince yourself of "The POTENTIAL" But for all the genuinety iv seen in the warwick brothers I really do wish them really well and wish for the success of this project. But for now its on the boring side. I couldnt stick to the OW for even 2 hours!

[foggy sage]

no time to busy deving but they can tell us every time a dao IPC 69 420 thing happens

[atomic zealot]

I don't question people's intentions but the work and the results and even if they were well intentioned then they just aren't good at running a game studio.

[shut wave]

That was one of the only red flags I saw early on. Keiran said in a video that he knows he cant work for someone else. I have had plenty of time being in customer service. Communication is very important! Especially with irate customers!!!

[thorny crater]

we getting close to my buy land goals if these are real

[atomic zealot]

The echo chambering here was real

[atomic zealot]

That's insanely expensive

[thorny crater]

https://tenor.com/view/beyond-earth-online-beo-sniping-beo-sniping-nft-worlds-gif-26466006

land sniping

[thorny crater]

sell me your t3 for 1 k please

[atomic zealot]

I would but thank god I sold them a while ago

[thorny crater]

ah dang i missed out lol

[foggy sage]

once again and just like many other crypto projects it was the teams first crack at something with a insane amount of money at their feet and they fumbled it.

[thorny crater]

consumer experience. love hearing how we need it

[thorny crater]

i haven't found one successful one yet

[atomic zealot]

I think eventually they will be successful but we aren't there yet

[thorny crater]

me too

its why i keep saying ill buy peoples land

[atomic zealot]

Everyone is still trying to make a quick buck

[thorny crater]

but i am playing off the fear factor going on here

[shut wave]

Not at all. Im around $10 aud a day at the moment from a t4 and t3 land. Thats an ROI of 2 plus years.

[thorny crater]

just being open about it instead of hidding in the shadows like i did for 1-2 years

[atomic zealot]

I don't think illuvium is it to be honest but it's a stepping stone for the industry

[thorny crater]

from 2021-present i stopped and just watched....well cant say that it was after land sales i got quite

[foggy sage]

i just want to use fuel from zero to play the overworld game to make a team in arena to climb ranked...

[atomic zealot]

I meant crypto games, I think illuvium is dead in the water

[foggy sage]

lol to much to ask

[thorny crater]

oh yes! make land owner able to use thier own fuel would be a dream, i think we need more consumer experence and demand before it can happen

[foggy sage]

well even if they did that we dont make any fuel now so what is the point

[thorny crater]

Most of the player base could be, i have no way to verify it, be land oeners lol

whihc is not good

no you just make less fuel

lol

someone show me their numbers please

[shut wave]

Thanks for the casual reality check 🤣

[atomic zealot]

Lol sorry bro, just want to o warn people.... loosing these things hurts

[thorny crater]

like max fuel made, cost you paid for land, and everything.

jsut words and feelings is why i want t3 lands for 1k lol

need to amx mine out ASAP bec i will share this freely

1 more day for maxing nexus, im a late bloomer lol

[shut wave]

But yes they will need more things to shoot in ow, more reasons to enter the ow, longer run times maybe, multiplayer capabilities, fighting against other people in the ow with weapons for illuvials, more interactive gameplay with arena. Theres a lot of things that need doing!

[atomic zealot]

No time or money unfortunately

[undone dagger]

I honestly hope Illuvium comes back from this. Since I heard about Zero I fawned over jpgs of squares with squares on them, wondering what all those squares meant

I loved the idea of production from owned land

And I've always wanted a Land plot, even now

[foggy sage]

well if u quit being lazy and started begging like a real man you would have a plot of land by now

[undone dagger]

Fair jab, not gonna lie :p

Buuuuuuut at the same time if we can scrape the bottom at $50 for a T1 Plot because y'all are panic selling, I'll open my physical wallet

.>

...does it do that if it touches you or do you mean "value lost if I can't touch energy rifts"

[solar swallow]

Anyone has some solon to collect too? 🙂

[shut wave]

Well you lasted longer than I. Got no idea about any of it really.

[shut wave]

Not 260! I collect more often.

[solar swallow]

What globe?

[undone dagger]

I assume he means The Dome when you run low on energy

[open stratus]

What tier this

[undone dagger]

Pretty much still is, it only proccs at 200 (out of 4000) but can't be staved off by Rift Energy

And I've gotten 600 energy from the rifts before, so 800... out of 4600...

[open stratus]

I mean doesn't do anything really except force you out in 5 minutes. Usually you don't even worry about it until the end

[undone dagger]

Yeah it still tries to shiv you for ~20% of a run

[open stratus]

Put some beacons by rifts, shoot a couple more things and see ya

[undone dagger]

Like I said, it still shivs you for ~20% so frankly you're valid in terms of numbers :v

[thorny crater]

https://tenor.com/view/looking-for-real-estate-house-sell-buy-gif-25793538

[cerulean kettle]

Any update yet to fix the bug where users build out their plots with paths? Completely down and can’t play. Crazy as this wasn’t a bug in the earlier versions.

[gritty wave]

plus more features coming

[thorny crater]

these are the land i want. min 1 of each fuel, elements i did not check

[gritty wave]

they will be fine...and probably a good time to make yoru dream come true...I like playing, no matter that payoff at the moment

[thorny crater]

1k for any who want to sell.

cant move funds for anohter 9 hours tho. at work lol but i will 100% buy today

[solar swallow]

With current design I think it's not a problem anymore

[solar swallow]

6

😂

[low river]

Have you created a ticket for it? I'm curious because I have the same problem. I'm blocked on one of my lands.

[spiral ravine]

Is it impossible for you?

[twin oracle]

Guys what is this? Is already working?

[thorny crater]

theyll jsut increase fuel output while when supply is low

happens as it needs. from what it looks like

if demand is high and supply is low i except the DAO to raise fuel outputs
or what we are dealing with now
demand is low and supply is high we cut fuel out puts.

its the oil market lol

[hazy tartan]

Theoretically speaking there are 869x20 t4 plots when the big bad DAO steps in

[thorny crater]

mega cities. I wonder how thats going to work. hope people start sharing their numbers soon, if not i 100% will

[hearty cradle]

cant login

ur right

thx

[twin oracle]

I bought my land thinking that, cause I read on some document from them.
But I think we gonna have this feature soon

[spiral ravine]

That 20% in time section, is a good thing? Shouldn't be at the lowest level as 0% or 1%?

[solar swallow]

It's 20% reduced time

[spiral ravine]

So it means that the time the converter is 20% less than the normal time? Its activity is reduced?

[paper sleet]

I am at a level 7 nexus T1 and am having a hard time mining fuel. My Hyperion extractor is maxed for now at level 4 any tips? Should I save up and get to level 8 to upgrade?

[thorny crater]

That’s what I’m doing

Max nexus and fuels, only doing element/storage/etc when I need for fuels. But the goal is lvl 9 nexus before anything else

I switch all my land to do this t1-3

Is it the best? Idk

But I. I longer want to wait on nexus to make decisions lol

[paper sleet]

Do you think blueprints or fuel are more important for now?

[thorny crater]

My goal is BP

[slim wigeon]

I think depends a bit on how many blueprints will get minted and especially when they will be integrated into the game.
Without the integration their value is significantly lower unfortunately!

[thorny crater]

here is my why.
Once demand increases fuel prices will drop, or go up and down a lot.

Based on sales from games like fornite(skins and what not) we will have the selling power there and I think based on what “rare” class of BP you have will make prices go up. Also how many you make

So for me I want BPs more than fuel.

[slim wigeon]

Did anybody find Biodata of a s3 t5 yet?

[thorny crater]

I say “rare” cause idk how they will fully roll out BPs

[thorny crater]

I did!

First one I ever got trying to get the drone bo now haha

[slim wigeon]

never how many t4 are you playing, I also play some 🤯

Congratulation JQT!

[thorny crater]

Wad it do

I though it was a stage 2 at first but it’s a 3 🙂

[slim wigeon]

ah I thought t5 😉

[thorny crater]

It’s a tier 2 sorry

[shut wave]

I am really full of a powerful concoction of hopium and copium! I even bought 4 extra byilders for both lands. But at least iv recovered the price of those from fuel sales but thats about it for now!

[thorny crater]

Not a tier 5

Still happy about it though lol

[slim wigeon]

I hope they made t5 s3 so rare that we will only see 1-2 blueprints found every 1-2 months over all the plots searching

[queen fog]

Is it still more beneficial to have the roads all around your buildings or did they nerf that?

[thorny crater]

Just touching

[nova epoch]

nobody buying fuel

[spiral ravine]

Hi guys how much must be the time in percentage close to every single machine? Low or High?

[thorny crater]

Got a bug where if you are on the computer and playing throug epic games, if you are logged out for being idle or somethime it jsut logs you out for secruity reasons

yyou have to close the whole game then restart it. Only on computer though

[spiral ravine]

This is the same thing i would understand

[rugged abyss]

How do you know if yhe biodata is good or rare ?

[thorny crater]

devs if you fixed this from last night to today thanks! my sccaner bottom right is starting to work. i was just starting to update batteries but the first update isnt even done and it started working lol

[spiral ravine]

What do you mean with 5% and 10%?

[thorny crater]

lvl 3 scannns baby, will make it level 4 tomorrow. going 1,2,3,4 in lvls lol

casue idk what is best and i want all lvl BPs

[spiral ravine]

My percentage are low 0% or 2/3% is that good?

I have a nexus 7...so which is this bonus?

[prime loom]

Hey guys, is passive fuel generation from the converters something they killed off for good or is it a patch bug?

[rain thicket]

Does anyone have a picture of what a well optimized tier one land looks like?

[spiral ravine]

Oh ok and so the activity is faster i've noticed but is not easy connect all the buildings

[mortal smelt]

shame I don't have room to play around...

[rain thicket]

This is a tier 2, but thanks for sharing. It looks great! What kind of outputs are you getting for fuel and scanning?

[mortal smelt]

haven't maxed anything out yet, just trying to get my layout and maxing effeciency and path bonus

I have 4 converters of each type and 3 fuel extracting sites of crypton, hyperion & solon.

[vocal pasture]

I believe it will round up...I have a 20% bonus and more than 2 power stations unconnected....

[mortal smelt]

well my fuel sites are at a awkward places and at this point I can't play around for the life of me with the paths lol

[rain thicket]

How much fuel do you produce?

[mortal smelt]

so far 30 from each fuel site and the converters are lvl 4 so 12 @ 12 days

so in total I would be making 132 fuel per day total at this level

396 total fuel a day from the 3

So there is no increase in passive fuel when you go from level 5 to level 6?

i checked the upgrade and it shows 16 which is the same as a level 5

so with a T2 you barely make over a stage 1 run at max capacity fuel generation per day at max

but with the tax its probably a few days

[winter ivy]

When everything is maxed out, how much time do i need to wait to gather stuff on ilv zero?

[mortal smelt]

just like once a day

[silver plover]

Every time I see a new announcement, I hope it increases fuel production for my plots haha. Disappointed every time

[gritty wave]

anyone listen to the new scoriox youtube? Ain't sounding good for land owners..at least in the short run. The focus will be on supporting Illuvials. Just good to know, and explains current prices.

[nova epoch]

how can I change buying price of fuel?

[foggy sage]

we waited 3 years we can wait 3 life times if that is what it takes

[thorny crater]

as it should be.

land owner need to realize that your land doesn't mean or is worth anything if consumer exp isn't there. Now once that's up, land should get big ups like gyms, otehr aspects, but if you have no demand your land is worth 0$

[undone dagger]

You know what I like about Zero?

The flavor, the lore, the feel

We crashlanded on a planet and what's the first thing we do

Draw squares on the planet and start stripmining :)

[subtle frost]

finally first Tier 2 Biodata LOL

wow stage 3

LOL

[foggy sage]

they got a long way to go and a big redesign has to happen their 3 years of devolpment had some good point alot of bad points and now they need to go back to the drawing board and see what they need to fix. gonna be a while before this is fun if ever

[thorny crater]

eh its beta if this was full laucnh i can say things like that

if we had 1 mill player IMx couldnt keep up alone

[foggy sage]

thats what i mean we are paying them to beta test the game basicaly

[tall crypt]

It haven't utility, price market 0,30$.

[thorny crater]

https://tenor.com/view/titanor-illuvium-illuvial-gif-6855273506755850488

[subtle frost]

LOL yeah sad no utility

[thorny crater]

yet

[subtle frost]

probably can buy all the biodata on the market for $1

[thorny crater]

the utility is skins

[subtle frost]

can you sell the biodata?

[thorny crater]

nope

well once you get a BP lol

you can sell that, but even then its not implemented yet

[subtle frost]

nice.. so there are unlimited biodata found?

or are they also limited as more people find them, the harder they are to find for the next?

is that how it works?

unlimited but chances gets lower and lower to almost zero

[tall crypt]

Uneuseful land play.

[thorny crater]

that i have no clue. Old way was BPs were going to be only one of, but i think they changed that so t1s can have a chance.

now there will be multiple versions. If i had to guess itll be like common, rare, epic, etc etc

[subtle frost]

probably will get changed and we will all cry about it

[thorny crater]

I am going for drone skins cause i am making a guess that they will be like knife skins in CS

it already changed lol

i have two atlas drone skins lol

[subtle frost]

the biodata I have can I make drone skin once I have BP

in one land?

you have 2 atlas drone skins?

of different affinity?

[thorny crater]

biodata need to be research at lab whihc can give you Facts and based on your slection a drone or armor skin

[subtle frost]

so next I need is a material lab

[thorny crater]

these are the ones i found so far:

[subtle frost]

so fast with T4

I only have these

[thorny crater]

i have a t3, but yeah a t4 is god level

[subtle frost]

for biodata only

oh wow..

[thorny crater]

now biodata i have these:

[subtle frost]

stage 3 is that hard to get

[thorny crater]

which i will be deleteing the ones i have on my t2, once the t2 is ready to start labbing

only got one lol

so im going to gues yes?

no BPs yet it fails everytime but i only have 1 lab at lvl 3

[subtle frost]

you mean you will delete your T3 singularity once you have T2 singularity

[thorny crater]

5% chance of success

no you can delete biodata

each one biodata and bp take up space

my databank is lvl 2

but at first you can only hold a max of both 10 sumed up

[subtle frost]

god.. limited space bro

[thorny crater]

yeah they are supossed to be super rare

its why im so focued on that rather than fuel

a data bank cost 200 solon to make lol

[subtle frost]

I guess you can upgrade your database

[thorny crater]

so its an end game building for sure

bbl

[subtle frost]

you maxed out on your fuel sites

how much fuel are you getting

for max level

for each fuel site

I am at level 5 fuel site and I am producing 45 fuel

per 18 hours

[atomic cove]

guys it's poll time, go cast your vote!
What type of fuel market would you like to have?
#1274644572378501182 message

[subtle frost]

man. I am torn

1 or 2

I want it to be free market

but only if there are enough players

because only then can we have something that is stable

or else some whale can change the price as they please

so I am going to choose 1 for now but I will change it if tomorrow we have half a million players

LOL

small market cap of anything can be easily manipulated. I think having a set price for fuel is the best solution. Reducing the amount of fuel will only piss people off.

or can we make it into an ERC token and get the team to buy and sell to manipulate the prices of the fuel to stablize it LOL

[atomic cove]

I think you have the wrong idea there. Bitcoin is a free market and is known by its great volatility.

[atomic cove]

they can already manipulate prices as they seem fit by fiddling with the land production values they don't need it to be an ERC-20 token.

[nova epoch]

hey all. do you know when/what time the daily missions begin? I don't ever really know when to start my scan since I don't know when the missions reset

[digital cloud]

Hey everyone, I've been meddling around other blockchain games on IMX and stumbled upon an interesting system for land owners I think is worth implementing in the future. This is with the thought of assisting in the onboarding of f2p players into the Illuvium ecosystem that still benefits landowners in some way. Obviously, with the fuel supply/demand being very unbalanced at the moment, this feature may make more sense once there are much better fuel sinks implemented.

This system is derived from Medieval Empires as I was trying to make the minimum required progress to get my gem rewards on Immutable. The system works like this:

• Land owners allow f2p players to "settle" on their land.

-Each piece of land allows for a maximum of 10 settlers who must pay rent to the land owner.

-each settler gets their own empty, non-NFT Tier 1 equivalent plot to work on

-The land owner sets the tax rates and settlers can freely move to other unsettled lands once a day, taking with them their current land build.

-Taxes are taken as soon as resources are collected by settlers.

As with my previous suggestions for modeling after other games, this system accomplishes so much for being f2p friendly for the masses, gives landowners an added benefit, and allows the market to freely adjust and compete with landowners deciding the tax rates. Once proper fuel sinks and demand is in place, I believe this is a fair and balanced way to achieve mass onboarding while rewarding land owners

[thorny crater]

#1020759212172775464 i would put this there, there may be a topic on it already and you can add this to it if so

[digital cloud]

I can't seem to post in that channel... And I haven't been able to figure out why

[foggy sage]

Question if these were just normal.game released on steam with a 50 dollar price tag would any of you buy them or continue to play them?

[thorny crater]

i have no idea what this vote is about:

what is the vote to change from current system to...?

[atomic cove]

the poll is about what type of market would you like to have.

[thorny crater]

if it were up to me. illuvium takes 95% of sell price and we keep 5. set market price so land owner cant make the system go crazy. simple straight forwards and its a somewhat normal supply/demand market

[atomic cove]

the current system has no automated balancing and it's the team/IMC that intervene in the economy by changing certain parameters of it.

[thorny crater]

I thinkarron had mention somthing like this. I will look for it

[atomic cove]

that's how it currently is.

the issue is not the % distribution numbers

[thorny crater]

no it is not

i get the full sell amount or that what i was told

then later 5% will be distributed.

[atomic cove]

ah that's the thing my friend

that's not how it works

when you sell 1 fuel unit, you're actually placing a sell order of 20

[thorny crater]

then first illuvium need to write down how everything works because everyone is all over the place. before we start changing things

[atomic cove]

yes I agree. But since the communication has been so lackluster lately. I don't see that happening anytime soon...

[thorny crater]

gotcha

[atomic cove]

you need to be a ranger

I think it's lvl 5 here in Discord

[digital cloud]

Oh... How do I get to level 5? Just post more?

[atomic cove]

just talk 🙂

[digital cloud]

I see

[atomic cove]

I will say the idea has merit. But it needs to be hashed out.

We're still missing a lending system. Once we have that. Ideas like yours will be very much appreciated.

[open stratus]

I mean at the end of the day, we all want this to succeed. We need to put some ROI and revdis talks on the burner for a few months 🤣.
Everybody around here is invested, you aren't the only one.
If this fails. We all fail

[digital cloud]

I'm not sure what you mean by a lending system and how that relates to this. Can you explain?

[atomic cove]

I interpreted that when you say other players 'settle' on your land you mean them playing on it right?

how would you achieve that without lending?

you do say the landplots are non-nfts

just not sure how it would work

[digital cloud]

So my thought is "settling" just means I owe the landowner taxes, not that I, as a settler, am playing directly on the landowners land.

So basically it looks like this if I am just joining Illuvium zero as a f2p:

• I click my f2p plot
• I get a T1 equivalent, non-NFT plot to work on and farm fuel
• the system let's me choose an NFT land to "settle" on
• I then work on my non-NFT land and whatever resources are taxed will get deducted from me at the set tax rate and given to the landowner
• at no point am I directly working on the landowners land

[atomic cove]

oh ok, I understood now.

that would basically mean you would increase the plot's overall production by taxing the other non-NFT plots.

My first thought is this can't imply crypto fuel resources. As it would alter the current land production balance.
And second is I don't think that the game fun enough for people to want to play it without receiving some sort of payout for it.

cause if you're not receiving crypto resources what's really the point on "settling" on someone else plot?

[cursive frigate]

Yh it's 100%

I even add another power station

[digital cloud]

So that's where I think f2p players should be allowed to earn fuel but in non-crypto form that can only be redeemed in-game and across the Illuvium ecosystem. This is also based on the assumption that fuel produced on land can eventually be directly used in OW. The taxed amount going to the landowner is the crypto version.

Yes, I agree that it will alter the current production landscape and thus I imagine this system to work after there is a stronger use case for fuel in this game. I've submitted feedback for better use cases for fuel through the support page on the Illuvium website as I haven't been able to respond on the discord forums, but knowing now that I have to get my rank up to post on the feedback forums here, I'm going to start chatting about these things here.

[gritty wave]

it appears, right now anyway, illuvials and their use and value take prescendent over fuel

and welcome to the acting like you know something discord club 😉

look forward to seeing more from you

[cursive frigate]

Hey land owners
I don't know why if I scan I can't catch anything

What's wrong with my land

I chart support in the morning but I haven't receive a feed back yet

Kindly assist

[digital cloud]

Yes, completely agree. All this is really going to depend on the development team putting out some more gameplay use cases and content.

[gritty wave]

and once we get you to ranger please pepper the feedback-idea channel...it is one of the strenghts we have: with 25 upvotes they have to consider something

[atomic cove]

I mean if you're talking about non-crypto fuel, than sure there is no problem with this idea or inflating the supply. I just don't see why anyone would wanna gather the elements resources. There's also technical issues to it since they're not erc-20 tokens nor NFTs, they are account bound and non transferable.

Do you own a land plot?

[winter ivy]

A tier 2 land was sold for 6eth? Is that right?

[digital cloud]

Yes, I own a T1 that I purchased a couple years ago. I also stake ILV. The element resources are definitely not going to matter at all for landowners for sure. As far as I can conceive how this will all play out to onboard web2, we need that middle ground to give people a gateway to web3. Giving them their familiarity of account bound non erc-20 tokens and non-NFTs, but with reduced utility, is how I can foresee any organic way for web2 players to even consider spending time in the Illuvium ecosystem. They need to at least have access to the core game (my vision of the core game is through OW or equivalent where we have some more gameplay content to sink fuel into)

The difference for f2p vs p2p should be in whether you want to spend more time (as in the former) or more money (as in the latter)

[thorny crater]

Love the ideas, id like to remore discussion on it. If you put this in the feedback please let me know. just curious of all the different angles/perspectives on it. @digital cloud

[digital cloud]

Definitely would love to chat with you on this. I have a lot of submissions I made via the feedback form on the support page but I'm not sure if I'm getting eyes on it. Would love to see these ideas get hashed out in the feedback forum when I get the chance to post

[thorny crater]

for me. I need to go and see what your talking about to give feed back. Illuvium is the only crypto game I play. Minus a few "decentralized Land" runs for POAPS buts its been like 2-3 years for that lol

Im a web 2 gamer for SURE

i want 2 and 3 to become one. and digital owner ship to become ther norm of the world or at least the USA

I think illuvium could be that catalyst in the gaming world

[digital cloud]

I came heavily from web2 as well so I definitely feel you on this. I can say that the last few years has been quite the learning curve to get on web3, but man... Illuvium really sold me on the potential

[thorny crater]

Same/ The learning curve is awful for WEB2 people. took me 3 hours to transfer my land, then learn how to bridge. 2 then 1 respectively. That should have taken less that 2 mins and 2 mins is HIGH.

I want to spend money and have to jump through hurdles to do it? That is NOT consumer friendly and an awful first impression experience IMO.

Not to mention all the work i did for security stuff. and i need to do one more step which i will be learning about today. another hour or so to do that to protect my self even more.

[stoic rapids]

if you're selling solon below 022 you're leaving money on the table

[tardy falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/shhh-shush-silence-nose-gif-17895433

[stoic rapids]

the solon kings send their regards

[winter ivy]

please dump fuel on the market i need to play more OW

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-phone-call-listening-long-yeet-gif-11764220

[analog basin]

That's nice to know. Problem is my Single Solon Dredge is STILL not producing any Solon. One day over a rainbow maybe.

Yea not funny at all. Paid over $5000 for my T3 on the original auction in 2022 waited 2 years and now over 3 weeks on and multiple support tickets later, zilch. Still stuck.

[twin knot]

you may want to upgrade power stations nearby to solve the issue. Worked for me at least

[gritty wave]

transfer the land to me and I'll see if I can get it to work lol But seriously it sucks and yeah if you can transfer out and then back in (knowing you might lose some stuff) it might work as I know sold land has started working for the new person when it didn't for the old

[analog basin]

There is oodles of power around it but they are not maxed out so maybe I will give that a go. Not sure I want to risk the other move as getting close to Nexus 9 so a bit nervous to try that.

i.e losing stuff and it still remains stuck.

I have an Hyperion Extractor that still has 12 hours of upgrading time left. As soon as that is done I'll try maxing out the power station thing.

[thorny crater]

NOICE!!!!!

[thorny crater]

i just got my scanner fixed. I started an upgrade to a power station and it just started working lol

but was out for a day and a half easy

[analog basin]

Well this sounds promising. On it

[thorny crater]

yeah like the scanner said there was power but i guess there wasnt?

it was werid

going check mine now lol

oh we cooking.

[next juniper]

I had a similar experience with one of my scanners. The timer wouldn’t start. I had wayyyy more power than necessary. I tried everything to get it going. Then all I could do was keep upgrading the power plants closest to it. Eventually one upgrade of the power plants got it going. Got most of the power plants to stage 4-5 for it to start going though😕

[thorny crater]

that one is 6 lol

[analog basin]

Was it stuck like this, as in 1/10th started?

[undone dagger]

I honestly wish that F2P had something.

[thorny crater]

https://tenor.com/view/unlimited-power-star-wars-gif-10270127

i HIGHLY disagree with the crypto community with this for one reason: Market share

[undone dagger]

Hear me out here

Plants should drop Consumables when they get cleared :v

[next juniper]

Yeah. It will show that there is enough power but for some reason it won’t start until you get a lot more power. I would suggest you keep upgrading those power plants around it. It’s most likely a bug.

[undone dagger]

Even if it's something everyone else gets too

Like Plants dropping Consumables when they get cleared :v

[next juniper]

Giving the F2P land anything would destroy the economy because of bots

[undone dagger]

Also, why isn't there a tier of Land identical to F2P Land?

F2P land is so buttery smooth and painful to use simultaneously

It's it's own experience

[thorny crater]

from AI so take it with a grain of salt, but i could be wrong in the LONG run. but for now ill stand by with what i said

web 2:
KEY MARKET INSIGHTS. The global video games market size was valued at USD 188.73 billion in 2021 and is projected to grow from USD 199.74 billion in 2022 to USD 307.19 billion by 2029, exhibiting a CAGR of 6.3% during the forecast period.

and
web3:
The global blockchain gaming market size was valued at USD 128.62 billion in 2022 and is projected to grow from USD 154.46 billion in 2023 to USD 614.91 billion in 2030 at a CAGR of 21.8%.

[analog basin]

I have actually deleted it at one point and started it again from scratch already, but it's doing the exact same thing again. Will hit the power stations around it with a hammer when I have a free builder. If it doesn't work hit it with a hammer.

[thorny crater]

nooooo

lol

just restart i never had to delete

[mortal smelt]

F2P can get a pat on the back from me

all day long baby

[little moon]

My Tier 2 has been stuck on level 201 for about a week now. Anyone know how I can get this resolved? Haven't heard anything back from my support tickets.

[next juniper]

I wouldn’t destroy the power plants if you have upgraded them. I would suggest you just keep upgrading them so you don’t waste resources

[thorny crater]

thats max level not stuck

[mortal smelt]

201 is the max

[thorny crater]

also if you sell or buy that level will never reset

[little moon]

oh ty

so I can't get a third builder?

[thorny crater]

of course. you buy it lol

https://tenor.com/view/tom-hanks-snl-jeopardy-blackjeopardy-saturday-night-live-gif-12020366

[little moon]

I can't buy it, I've tried. need a cc

[analog basin]

No talking about the Solon Dredge itself not the power stations. Hitting them with a hammer I meant upgrades lol

[thorny crater]

boom t2 going to lvl 9 starting now:

[next juniper]

Hmmm. I didn’t try that since mine was fully upgraded. I would still think upgrading the power plants will be your best bet to get it going again. It might be a while before they fix that bug

[thorny crater]

should have this done a wekk or two ago

[thorny crater]

oh yeah they need to fix that. you have to go throught the iphone/andriod stores

[little moon]

hmmm, I don't have those setup either.. I have a bank card and crypto.

[analog basin]

I'll give it a go Bud. The only Solon I'm getting atm is from the convertors and thats an even slower grind. Plus overflowing with Silicon all the time as nothing to spend it on. Bugger

[thorny crater]

yeah i have restarted befoe but never deleted.

the power thing seem to have a bug of some kind

[thorny crater]

yeah they need to fix this or add it ASAP

[primal nova]

If I buy another builder, can I use 2 on another piece of land too?

[thorny crater]

nope

coins are per account and buildera re per plot unless you sell

[analog basin]

Along with 1001 other thing lols

[thorny crater]

then those builders go poof

[thorny crater]

this is why i am "kinda" glad it did not blow up like palword or helldivers. I want o spend money, or i spend money and things don't work is not a good impression lol

but i believe in the team

[analog basin]

Like a MacDonald's add

[analog basin]

Yea I know we are in BETA but as I mentioned in one of my bug reports when it is affecting peoples pockets it isn't funny. I have become quite disillusioned to be honest at how it has turned out. Yea once again expectations and all that, but I don't think many people crystal balled how it actually is today.

[thorny crater]

Yeah i have seen talks about various things they should or shouldnt have had/added.

For me this is the riskies gamble i ever took. I do not trust crypto one bit lol and the fact this was not a rug pull is prolly why im not so aggervated as everyone else

When i started putting money asiide i told myself this could all be a rugg pul,l and gone tomorrow. It wasnt as of yet

[analog basin]

My problem is on reflection I would have been a zillion times better off putting the $1000s I have put into this [2022] into BTC and just HODled it. Lesson learned I've just about had it with WEB3 games to tell the truth. I'm even considering doing that with my staked ILV now. Illuvium was a beacon of shining WEB3 gaming hope to me prior to main net. Jeeeze. Had the stuffing and faith knocked out of me well and trully this time.

[digital cloud]

By "them" do you mean the development team?

[void raft]

well, then you didn't do the proper analysis of risks
If you look at the Illuvium compared to the whole crypto market, just my opinion though:
from lower risk to the most riskiest asset:

1. BTC - low risk
2. ETH - slightly higher risk
3. ILV token itself - quite a lot higher risk
4. playing OW and trying to sell stuff on market place - much riskier than ILV token
5. and then some lvls more riskier is Illuvium Land...
   so dont compare land just to BTC 🙂

[digital cloud]

Just so I have this clear, the proposal was rejected because the team thinks that people will only play f2p Zero just for fun, without any real significantly impactful rewards and that in and of itself will entice players to buy land and play the other titles in the Illuvium franchise?

[analog basin]

Just talking in hindsight. I am a very experienced crypto gamer and most have failed so far. ILV was the one where I truly thought they were going to get it mostly right from the start. I have a bag of BTC also and I did my money management due diligence. I never put all eggs in one hope basket. Just didn't expect the current state of the game that's all.

[stoic rapids]

if F2P zero can sell anything of value it will be immediately overrun by bots

I've seen bots kill other crypto games by sucking all the value out of the ecosystem

I'm strongly against letting F2P players extract monetary value

[analog basin]

LOL as far as ILV is concerned held and watched it go from $80 to almost $2000 and back to today's $44. I understand risk.

[void raft]

From the message I reacted to it did not sound like you understood the risk

[analog basin]

That's txt messages for you. You can only say so much in a post. In a bar, face to face over a beer you can get a better understanding. 😉

[digital cloud]

I see. I personally don't like that take as it's very clear to me that nobody is playing ILZ as a standalone just for fun...

[foggy bison]

I play Zero for fun on a T1, having a blast actually. I have no desire to play Arena or OW.

[quasi schooner]

@vivid cipher need help in my tier 3 plot

[void raft]

then you have not tried any other tiers right?

[foggy bison]

Not yet...

I'm very late to the party

[void raft]

I dont want to sound negative, but playing T1 is a pain compared to a T2

[digital cloud]

Fair, but you already bought the land, you can scan for and sell BP, and you have the potential to sell your fuel... If you didn't have those abilities to do so, would you still think that the game is fun?

[foggy bison]

And even more of a pain now since the nerf

[analog basin]

and a T2 is a pain compared to a T3. I know have both lol

[void raft]

I would, but once you max out the land, then you just quit, thats it, few weeks of fun

[foggy bison]

I really enjoy puzzles and building things. I'm only doing fuel, not BP. I don't think it's a good idea to try both on a T1.

[quaint prism]

The difficulty of getting Nexus 7 on a T1 is the main thing that makes it feel worse in the early game, imo. Going from 52 to 102 buildings is huge

[analog basin]

@void raft Did they ever sell the T5s? I'd be a bit worried if Id bought one of those for 6 figures lol

[void raft]

I dont think they did

[foggy bison]

My Nexus just turned 8 last night!😎

[analog basin]

On a T1 that's good going. Do you set a alarm clock during the night ? lol