🎮〕illuvium-zero

[thorny crater]

We all wants to make money that's for sure. My self included. That said, if you don't* have a good consumer experience then how else can the game make money.

[rotund forum]

it´s not so much about greed, I think their decision to launch was more a now or never one, every project has their runway and although they managed to extent it that was a delay of the inevitable. Had they waited to polish it until perfection there would be no game studio in 2025.

[thorny crater]

Stages 1-3 are basicly gambling.

stragetize what you go far, dont strave from that goeal, and if the RNG gods are on your side you get good mats/illuvials

[blazing iris]

Can't the fuel I produce be used by myself, liar project?

[junior depot]

The devs are currently working on it

[rotund forum]

that is in the pipeline. a priority as I understand

[mortal bough]

Auto-mine button? 👀

[noble willow]

is there a fuel that is more desired at this point? Or it doesn't actually matter which one you have if you pick up land with only 1 or two (understanding it's a grind to get them all going)

[rotund forum]

nah, it´s just that it starts again when you click on the receive buttonb

[blazing iris]

ok

[rotund forum]

right now crypton, but next week...??

[blazing iris]

Nobody bought my fuel.

[thorny crater]

mine sells fast lol

[blazing iris]

howmuch

0.00001？

[rotund forum]

oh I´d sell for that!

[thorny crater]

the "X"s are canceled orders:

made a couple free runs

[vagrant steeple]

The same old story, I say something that people don't like, people say I'm wrong because instead of seeing reality they prefer to invent one where everything is great, time passes and I'm right again, and of course with that mentality, things are never solved. These people have made an airdrop of 20 million, they have plenty of money to continue developing the game for a long time, but they keep inventing anything so that reality is as you are interested in and not as it is. The reality is that in 2025 this project, instead of having a successful launch, may have been forgotten. We are going to be lucky that we should see a bull market soon, and maybe we are lucky and it goes up on pure speculation, and in the crypto market there are hardly any good projects, in the web2 market this game with this launch would be dead.

[thorny crater]

but not selling much still building. these were tests runs

its all supply and demand

[mortal bough]

Well I like all that I have had time to play so far, started out as f2p, then caught some illuvial's in overworld, which my son and I like a lot, then I have been mining a free plot since that same day, so I could experience what getting my own fuel to keep playing would be like, the only stone left un turned for the most part for us, has been the arena. My son wants to kick my butt in the arena but last time we tried it, it kept having an issue on his side not showing his characters and his options to select his illuvial's to fight with

[thorny crater]

so yours is selling?

[blazing iris]

no

[blazing iris]

0.00002

[thorny crater]

ah i was cofused for a second

[rotund forum]

I don´t mind at all if you say things people don´t like, I just happen to disagree with you. No harm done

[blazing iris]

I don't know why, but no one has bought my fuel.

[rotund forum]

the demand is still kind of scarse my friend

[mortal bough]

Who has started sharing with there referral code in here?

[blazing iris]

I have developed for a long time, but I can't sell it or use it myself. I already want to sell the land.

[vagrant steeple]

Of course the problem is that you don't like what I say, because reality is what it is, and it is what I said. The premature launch has been a mistake and it is being seen in the performance of the game, but many of you prefer to invent another reality and if someone comes to tell you how things are, since you don't like it you start inventing another reality to justify those bad decisions or to make it seem that things are not so bad, and since you turn your back on reality and try to create another, the problems are never really solved or things are never done well. I have had this conversation dozens of times and it always ends the same.

[mortal bough]

Sounds to me like you like having the same conversation over and over again. Kinda killing the vibe in here if you ask me, if all your interested in is the predicting when the best time for what would have been or is, maybe take the conversation over to the feedback-ideas discussion, seem more appropriate, just saying.

[rotund forum]

I was thinking the same thing, time for me to go to bed, too much dejavu going on 🙈

[tardy falcon]

Waiting on my first t4 scan… nice find (:

[nimble lichen]

still no T5 yet for me

[rotund forum]

Good luck! 🍀

[timber cloak]

What can I do with bio data and blueprints?

[nimble lichen]

we will be able to mint them and sell on marketplace or create skins from them in OW

[vagrant steeple]

I have opened several threads giving feedback and someone like IZI always appears to say that in reality none of that is necessary and that everything is fine, that I am wrong, that the important thing is to release the game as soon as possible to be able to make money... pass the Time, no one pays attention to me and it turns out that I am right but people do not pay attention to me because they prefer to believe in another parallel reality where everything is fine even though it clearly is not. I've been like this for more than 2 years, the worst thing of all is that I have almost always been right, and I don't say these things to be right, that doesn't matter to me, but to try to make the game work, which is what interests me.

[noble willow]

might be, but life is always about moving forward controlling what you can yeah? What would you like to happen going forward?

[timber cloak]

I see，Thank you

[rotund forum]

My first t5 is still being build… I think 3 more days now. It takes forever. And biolabs probably worse, only have t2 so far on that.

[nimble lichen]

yeah, I think the Material Lab 5 was 5 days or something

[vagrant steeple]

What I'm going to do is what I said in another post, not participate in this discord again because it's of no use.

[rotund forum]

It’s called a discussion, and you can’t always expect people to agree with your point of views. that is ok, life would be boring if everyone always agreed on everything. But if you think you’re going to change the world in a social media platform or chatroom than you are correct to assume it is of little use.

[nimble lichen]

https://tenor.com/view/drake-nods-agree-eyes-closed-gif-17791282

[scenic current]

https://tenor.com/view/it-works-every-tme-60percent-anchorman-brian-fantana-gif-11408850

[thorny crater]

https://tenor.com/view/thriller-michael-jackson-eating-popcorn-watching-gif-5577709

[scenic current]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-yeah-high-kick-take-down-fight-gif-14272509

I lover her

lol

[vagrant steeple]

I completely understand that you may not agree with my point of view, but reality is what it is, and you don't have another point of view, you are inventing another reality. And the problem is that people like you are one of the main problems of this game, because you lead to decisions like launching it early, and on top of that you try to prevent changes from being made or things being solved because "it's fine that way" . I don't expect to change reality, or for them to do what I want, what I'm trying to do is get things done so that the project works well, something that people like you don't seem to care about, you only seem to care about making it look like everything is fine. . The summary of this community is this, having been the ones who set the house on fire.

https://tenor.com/view/april-fools-joke-dog-its-fine-this-is-not-gif-1750056094467610487

[scenic current]

https://tenor.com/view/burning-burn-fire-revenge-it-gif-18082174

[vagrant steeple]

Likewise, it is clear that it is a waste of time to talk to this community, you have set fire to the house, and you want to believe that everything is fine.

[scenic current]

https://tenor.com/view/pirómano-meme-jeje-odio-bomberos-gif-15722930

[thorny crater]

i have no idea what the root cause is. a lot of TLDR though....i just got off work bro chill lol

[scenic current]

man

the fire is already at is top

https://tenor.com/view/hmmm-thinking-confused-gif-14450462

[lone coyote]

Hey all...I have 3 land plots and purchased the extra builder on one of them however I was charged the coins on all 3....I assume this is a glitch, anyone know how to fix???

[thorny crater]

coins are account based not plot based

[scenic current]

I have 2 biuldings from a past owner and I can't remove them and nobody help here man

[thorny crater]

did you file a bug report?

[lone coyote]

then how come i had different amounts of coin on each land plot until i made the ourchase??

[thorny crater]

glitch prolly

its always been account based unless you have different acounts. the idk

[lone coyote]

yeah, one time i had to ask a question 10 times before someone actually helped

[scenic current]

it sucks a bit

https://tenor.com/view/invisible-man-phone-whos-there-gif-12668443

[lone coyote]

i see, well then maybe it's a glitch that i had different coin amounts on each land...so does that mean i should be able to use two builders on all of my land??

[thorny crater]

builders are plot based lol

I would HIGHLY reccomend reading teh guides before spending money

[lone coyote]

oh jeez...see none of this makes any sense at all

[thorny crater]

of course it does. Most mobile games do this alll the time

[scenic current]

https://tenor.com/view/it-works-every-tme-60percent-anchorman-brian-fantana-gif-11408850

[thorny crater]

well a good bit cant say most

[lone coyote]

where do i find the guides

[lone coyote]

i wouldnt know, i dont play mobile'

[scenic current]

request dm?

I lost 0.5 ETH like that last year

[cerulean kettle]

I sent a message to support for help, figured to see who else ran into this bug in Zero. I built out my entire plot with paths to avoid plants from appearing. As soon as I did my plot takes time to load the buildings structures I have, but the overlay buttons don’t appear. I’ve waited hours so I can at least remove the paths, but no luck. The plots I have where I don’t build out with paths work fine.

So I can’t work my plots and have lost a day.

[scenic current]

https://tenor.com/view/im-having-a-hard-time-believing-these-stories-colin-jost-saturday-night-live-i-think-youre-lying-unbelievable-gif-21131662

why

[thorny crater]

gotcha. Well in crypto almost everything is very money hungry you can tell from the chats.

that said here are all the guides
#💬〕general message

[scenic current]

https://tenor.com/view/grandpa-laughing-the-simpsons-lol-lmao-gif-9752931

[tardy falcon]

Expensive to bring scanner to t5… I’m hoping in the next couple days. Gotta save up some silicon

[thorny crater]

i just want my first bp

[nimble lichen]

I guess there’s no rush if we can’t mint anyway

[noble willow]

I am still looking at stats etc before buying my first plot(s), I am of the view this is a long term thing. If there is appropriate engagement with non-crypto markets, and it's easy for normal people to get into the game(s), and it's fun enough for them, then there will be plenty for all.
I expect a fair few things to be added for those users over the years, and now is still just groundwork for the early adoptors. If I lose the $$ for whatever I purchase, well crypto is a risk.

Tryna stay positive about it all. Time is your friend atm.

[subtle frost]

My biodata photo is still not showing

Where is my caradoddle

[livid tinsel]

Hell T1s are slow as hell

[steady oriole]

I have the same issue. They must not have an icon for him yet or something

[subtle frost]

oh really

hey. some reason I am still level 1 singularity and I got a stage 2

is that normal

[upper cloud]

agreed

the difference between t1s and t2s are yuuuj

buff t1 slightly pls

[thorny crater]

t3 is a banger as well

[subtle frost]

how much are T1 land

[upper cloud]

prolly 250sh?

[subtle frost]

wow nice price

how much are T2

1,000?

T3 2,000?

[upper cloud]

700

thats the price last time i checked

idk rn just check

[subtle frost]

let me check

I want to get land from different regions

so I can maybe get all the biodata

eventually

[livid tinsel]

What level you have ??? Im 135 and still can produce more than 30 fuel daily

[subtle frost]

are the BP limited numbers?

[upper cloud]

not worth in my opinion

[subtle frost]

why not

[upper cloud]

just get a t2

[subtle frost]

what is not worth

[upper cloud]

t1s

[subtle frost]

oh

[upper cloud]

its sooo slow

[upper cloud]

im only 117

[subtle frost]

not bad

[upper cloud]

30 fuel daily is bad

[subtle frost]

what are F2P land level

T1 or T2

[upper cloud]

mines a t2 i think

[subtle frost]

F2P is T3?

doesn't feel like it

LOL

[rose thicket]

the other side of the trade is on “Holiday”

[subtle frost]

should I use my crat of resources from my drop I got?

or should I keep them not used LOL

I think I should just use them

to play

[upper cloud]

yeah

[subtle frost]

yeah for which

[upper cloud]

dis

u cant deposit fuel

[subtle frost]

okay

[upper cloud]

i thought u can deposit it to speedrun

[subtle frost]

you can't use them in Overworld?

[upper cloud]

u acn

can*

but not in ilz

[subtle frost]

oh okay

can't deposit in the land game play okay

you can do more free game play

[upper cloud]

i wish we could deposit doe

to boost fuel sales

[subtle frost]

I am having a difficult time with F2P LOL

you bought any coins?

[upper cloud]

nah

i just use the f2p to get credits

[subtle frost]

the only one that actually got biodata is T3 land so far

[rose thicket]

Let the shilling begin!

[subtle frost]

WOW!!!!
YOis that.... the caraboo

that is missing photo

[thorny crater]

T4 im guessing?

[fiery iris]

T3 crimson

[violet dirge]

You provided the land with the machine, my friend

[thorny crater]

zammmmmn im slacking lol

[subtle frost]

yo man.. what level Singularity you got

[fiery iris]

Caradulo is missing pic

[thorny crater]

https://tenor.com/view/vegeta-dragon-ball-z-unlimited-power-over9000-power-level-gif-12316102

[fiery iris]

Staggered scanners

[subtle frost]

How many scanners and what level bro

I can't fit that many singularity on my land without it going under 100%

[subtle frost]

I would hate to live in that city

I don't see any cars

or illuvials walking around

[fiery iris]

Max efficiency everything plus 20% reduction

[subtle frost]

you got 2 80%

you so bad LOL

[fiery iris]

Scanners are near impossible cause of building cap for reduction

[subtle frost]

87% singularity?

is that good enough?

[fiery iris]

You tell me

[unreal oak]

hello, how many bio data should i get before getting rid of all my scanners? thanks

[subtle frost]

yeah pretty good

ALL of them

get all the illuvials

how many are there

so after getting illuvials Biodata we get the material labs to find the BP

[thorny crater]

im slow lol

[subtle frost]

I am NOOB

[thorny crater]

upgrading all fuels today...except 1 i think so m levels are dumb lol lol

[subtle frost]

we are both at level 201

LOL

[fiery iris]

It's all good do you I put a lot into getting mine how I wanted it

[subtle frost]

I thought I was look at mine

[thorny crater]

https://tenor.com/view/noice-brooklyn-ninenine-b99-smile-gif-11928987

im on day two lol

[subtle frost]

why is your land filled with so much more

[unreal oak]

what level r ur scanners?

[thorny crater]

the fuel locations where kinds of blah

[gleaming sigil]

What are you using the podariun for?

[fiery iris]

Staggered scanners

[subtle frost]

How do you do that in 2 days

[fiery iris]

I dont

[thorny crater]

oh no sorry day two of reorganizing my plot

[subtle frost]

should I invest in T5

Sorry I mean T4

land

[subtle frost]

I was thinking did you just buy a ton of coins

[thorny crater]

A LONG time ago some one, i cant rmeber who, said plant help get illuvials....im starting to think it was lies lol

[fiery iris]

If you have the $$$ get a few t5's

[subtle frost]

It was a lie bro

[fiery iris]

Kekw

[thorny crater]

t5?! i want t see that land sale lol

[subtle frost]

I also heard Morphopods you catch in overworld can be crushed to make fertilizers for plants

[gleaming sigil]

Podariun is useless then

[thorny crater]

im starting to think so

[subtle frost]

you can get RNG resources from plants?

[fiery iris]

Maybe someone who wants plants

[subtle frost]

if you fill your land up where can you have plants LOL

[thorny crater]

im about to sell it lol

[subtle frost]

I'll buy it

LOL

[thorny crater]

the plant dome thing lol

[subtle frost]

yeah it is useless if you have no space left on your land

[thorny crater]

never selling land im the captian of those ships lol

[subtle frost]

you should buy a land next to your land and just plant plants

mega city might have use for it?

put it on your T1 land

in the mega city

and put all your Singularity there

LOL

[thorny crater]

naw unless i make enough money too no more land for me

[vivid cipher]

Podarium will eventually be useful. But that feature has not been implemented We’ll eventually be able to load the podarium with morphopods so it can do stuff.

[thorny crater]

a t3, t2, and two t1s is work lol

[subtle frost]

a T3 and T2 and F2P is enough

[thorny crater]

welll zamnit

[subtle frost]

I can have some down time kinda

and I am not efficient but it is okay I chill.. I don't even look at my mission. I just do my own thing

too stressful

[grand silo]

anyone know what a stage 4 scanner costs for the upgrade

[nimble lichen]

almost free

[grand silo]

cheers1

14mill small change

[nimble lichen]

load up on that silicon storage

[grand silo]

@nimble lichen just enough

[grand silo]

is it 5 levels to max?

[nimble lichen]

yeah

and mat lab is 5 max as well

[grand silo]

cheers

[unreal oak]

guys whats the max number of bio data to get in a tier 2 land?

[flat steeple]

What’s the percentage chance of a successful bio scan?

[nimble lichen]

add your data bank and level it up. Max is level 3. Not sure how much that one holds though

[subtle frost]

You guys are killing me

[subtle frost]

so far I have failed twice

out of 7 times

[nimble lichen]

i thought i heard 5%

[subtle frost]

5%!!! success rate?

I got 5/7 sucess rate

[flat steeple]

Interesting, thank you

[nimble lichen]

seems high, maybe for T1

[subtle frost]

the sucess rate is high?

no idea.. I really tried scanning 7 times only

maybe I won't get anything else for next 93 times

if 5% sucess is a thing

[nimble lichen]

yeah, I could be wrong... where is Spoony when you need him

[grand silo]

can you get holos on a scan

[flat steeple]

Don’t say that 😅 I got a successful scan my 1st go around . Don’t need the rest being bad rolls

[subtle frost]

yeah afraid if 5% is a thing

then I got too lucky at the beginning

[tardy falcon]

same... they prob need to add the art

[grand silo]

this has happened to me 3 times now. I have a full plot and at these times I have 3 builders locked in a build cycle. I decide to move a building and have one space spare. Proceed to move the building then I get a reload happen. Reload happens and a fkn plant is put in the spare spot!.....then I need wait out the builders before removing the rouge plant 🤣 🤣

[nimble lichen]

happens on one of mine as well, I reported it today

[cerulean kettle]

So the team really fucked us on any bugs being a complete blocker. The team can’t just roll back a plot a day before I did this? Should be a rollback feature for the dev teams to place a plot in a previous state since there should be an audit log on each plot.

[heavy jolt]

I have 1k dollars, will I be able to buy a good piece of land and rent it, please, a good soul to clear my doubts?

so that I can recover my investment and make a profit

[noble willow]

rent it?

[tardy falcon]

no one knows bro... could be great could go lower

[flat steeple]

Just finished setting up all my Power Stations

[odd pivot]

my plot is not laoding having issues in zero can anoyne help

[tranquil citrus]

Hello everyone, nobody buys my fuel although I have offered it far below the market price. Is it similar for you? I sold it better in the beginning. The price is rising but my fuel is still not selling, what could be the reason?

[cinder field]

I also 2nd this, had this issue for a week that plot will not load.

[tardy falcon]

you prob have only one space available and there are a lot of plants in que

they will keep spawning until u clear the que

[hollow shoal]

Do we delete extra biodata and ones where we have already gotten both drone and armor skins?

[split root]

How do you max efficiency. On converters please Can any be near each other

[tardy falcon]

Posted in ideas... anyone wanna engage please do so
https://discord.com/channels/760344898200666112/1273163401132245024

[shut wave]

Price not low enough.

[odd pivot]

my plot is still not loading what should i do

[next juniper]

I think multiple people have this bug. They are working to fix it.

[solar swallow]

Atm selling fuel is just pain saying it very politely

the only price You can sell for is the lowest displayed price when You remove eth price toally

and then when You will list Yours

then there is like 10 other people who just list it lower then You and then You just get snowball effect

i just try to sell as much as possible to make my storage empty so i can gather fuel from land

my opinion about fuel system is that its totally broken and terrible

also either lands produce to much of it

or everything is to cheap

or there is just to little players playing

with out some kind of dynamic system there will be always issue imo

there worse part is that even if i would want to sell fuel to just rebuy it to use it myself

because i cant use my own fuel

then its not possible because You simply cant really sell it

which is absurd saying the least

[empty path]

I'm afraid it might be this

[solar swallow]

ye might be

just give option to use own fuel so it wont be nesesery to take part in that selling nonsense

[empty path]

I think I read somewhere they are working on it, but I'm not sure
Haven't been paying this much attention 😅

[radiant sky]

it's a high priority feature in developement.

[solar swallow]

good to hear because it huge downside at last imo

[robust plume]

That is awesome to hear as it will keep motivation to grind those lands ✅️ thanks

[pure fable]

how much are the scanning costs on scanner level 5?

[polar cosmos]

What about airdrop missions which we can collect for 9 days?

[slim ice]

Understandable, I hope they are enjoying!

[radiant sky]

#🎮〕illuvium-zero message

[versed vault]

are any of the science buildings worth building?

[junior depot]

All of it. You can start with Scanner followed by Research Lab and then data bank

[atomic zealot]

I think the game keeps loosing players so idk

[vernal estuary]

How many different illuvials can you find with a T1 scanner? I have 9, with a mix of stage 1 and 2

[wraith garnet]

i also believe that there are a lot of improvements to be made ... BUT I also see that the team really listens to the community and really takes on the issues we offer them in a fast matter.

So as a community we have to keep adressing whats wrong or broken. But have faith that they listen and work really hard to fix our problems. These guys are starting a revolution in the gaming industry.

[unborn osprey]

do you get same amount of passive generation on 50% and on 150%?

[pearl marten]

Yep happened to me too .. especially when managing multiple plots and trying to move rapidly through everything

@verbal igloo Have you guys considered maybe moving the sell button and make it also have a pop-up like 'Are you sure you want to sell this building?'
It's very tough and frustrating when you accidentally misclick with just a few millimeters and puf a lvl5 extractor goes missing - it's a 1-click irreversible action

[unborn osprey]

After you click sell you are asked: Are you sure you want to sell your "building name" for resources?

[pearl marten]

Nope.. it didn't act like that for me
just happened a few hours ago on a lvl 5 Hyperion extractor

[atomic zealot]

Has anyone been keeping up with how much fuel is being sold per day?

I think it's dropped to like 4 eth or less?

[verbal igloo]

There should be a confirmation popup when trying to sell a building

[unborn osprey]

I tried it on Level 1 Power station and I had it.

[verbal igloo]

maybe you rushed pressing Confirm accidentally

[empty path]

pop ups sometimes show, sometimes they don't

[verbal igloo]

Interesting, we are not aware of this issue

[unborn osprey]

Do you get same amount of passive generation on 50% and on 150% and where can I read more about that and why nowhere?

[pearl marten]

Yes true ... it seems on other buildings it shows a pop up but i'm not willing to try it again on a Hyperion extractor sorry 🙂

[verbal igloo]

Please let us know if this happens again, as we are not aware of any issue with the confirmation popup

[verbal igloo]

This shouldnt be the case

[pearl marten]

Idk how to replicate it honestly .. maybe someone from the team should play a bit with this feature on some test plot

I confirm i was playing on my phone (android) when it happened

And even if let's say it was somehow my fault and rushed the action the sell button should not be right close to the dredge/extract/convert etc like the most important actions you can do ... bad design imo

[grand silo]

whats are facts and how do we get them? I get the bio data but not the facts

[slender copper]

Seems I've hit a limit of 201 for city level. Anybody else?

[pearl marten]

You have to research the biodata in the research lab. A research action can result in gettin a fact, a blueprint or nothing 🙂

[pearl marten]

Yes that's the lvl cap at the moment

[grand silo]

I see, thanks. and facts improve the chances of a blueprint?

[pearl marten]

Yep exactly - the more facts the more chances of getting the BP

[copper falcon]

never misclicked, but agree, the button is very easy to push, its in the center of the interface. i thought myself to write up a suggestion to make it less easy to push, but not suffered losses yet of it, so had no enough motivation

[slender copper]

Gotcha thanks

[grand silo]

thanks

[serene iris]

How do we get blueprints over to the forge to make skins?

[shut wave]

Yes I have reached this limit on both of my plots!

[coarse valve]

why does DAO sell its fuel unit price higher than the owners, aren't they supposed to be equal?!

[ocean haven]

land owners get 5% of all fuel sales, should not matter in the end. not sure how they plan to live up to this tho

[coarse valve]

no look this :

it's not 5%, it's like 0.236%

[timber sapphire]

You get what you sell, nothing more

[uneven pulsar]

yes, if y sold 10$ you get only 3-5$))

[ocean haven]

@radiant sky can you confirm land has been changed and land owners dont get 5% anymore?

[uneven pulsar]

not all sales)

your sales

[ocean haven]

can you link the IIP to change this?

[uneven pulsar]

no, its old iip

[radiant sky]

No, nothing changed

[coarse valve]

so staking > land, we've been really badly treated for the past 2 years

[radiant sky]

@timber sapphire is right.
You get what you sell... Mostly

[uneven pulsar]

yeap especially if you bought land 20 eth)

[ocean haven]

how dos that add up with the late zero release and all the sales that happend the first few weeks?
also gz with mod, well deserved!

[timber sapphire]

It still should be, when all plots are maxed out

[radiant sky]

Proposed method should be active now since it got approved

[cerulean nest]

How are they going to figure that out when people can't sell haha

back to method 1 i think

[coarse valve]

can you send the link ?

[frigid carbon]

Hi, can someone help. I turned my fuel crates into fuel and now i cannot sell it from the iluvidex. it shows as a balance but it is not tied to any of my land plots

[timber sapphire]

You can only use it for overworld

[cerulean nest]

or rather, both methods are flawed by the current fuel selling situation

[frigid carbon]

serious? wtf. thanks for the reply

[radiant sky]

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[timber sapphire]

Yeah currently it is, don't know if it will be changed

[coarse valve]

thanks

[ocean haven]

makes sense, thank you for the info.
do we know when first airdrop will happen, and how much of the fuel that has been sold have been from land owners?

This process will occur monthly for the first month following release and then continue quarterly for non-fuel digital purchases.
nvm 🙂

[radiant sky]

Not sure, would have expected it to happen end of month

[ocean haven]

i guess the release was to close to end of month, and no one or very few had sold any fuel at that time and it will happen end of this month

[warped osprey]

anyone else have problems selling fuel ? i listed my fuel 1% cheaper than fuel exchange to see if i can sell , still no luck

[undone cedar]

no one is buying fuel

[craggy bison]

I tried to sell my first tiny amount of fuel yesterday ,can anyone tell me where i can see if it sold or not ? im looking on the fuel exchange it just keeps telling me to buy i cant find pending sell orders or what ive sold ? im sure im just not seeing something ?

[craggy bison]

Thanks but that does not show the fuel i have up for sale ? I want to cancel the sale but cant find it anywhere ?

[cerulean nest]

If it's not in pending then it has completed? Check the completed tab

[craggy bison]

completed tab ?

[cerulean nest]

That's on the basket icon (purchases) I highlighted the sale icon in my image

[warped osprey]

i'm checking the ledger tab, how does it work ? fuel exchange charges the buyers for the full amount and gives less than half to the owner that sells the fuel ?

[craggy bison]

Doh thanks for you guide found it and actually sold .01 cents worth im in the money 🤣

[thorny crater]

Dang i wish I bought a land that had at least one resource of everything. I just noticed you have zero converters lol

[craggy bison]

you allways need converters though so your not missing much ,it just takes you a little longer to get upto speed

[radiant sky]

Yes, meant this month 😄

[thorny crater]

Hmm idk one of my hydro pumps gives me 3.5 mil every 15 hours

I have 4 lol

Sorry a lvl 8 hydro on my t3, the land mark boost hrypnpumps, give me 3.2 mil

More context was needed

[warped osprey]

quick question, we gotta sell fuel for 0.0025$ ?
even though the price to buy it is 0.0071 ?

[thorny crater]

I sell the lowest possible

Make quick bucks for stage 1 runs, and it lowers the fuel price so other can have more chances to play…..some do not like this lol

[upbeat drift]

i am curious about this too

[cerulean kettle]

Can one of the dev team members in here explain why there is not an undo/rollback feature, at least on the backend to allow to get around this massive blocker. I have been working land sense day 1, and this bug where plots don’t fully load due to building out the plot with paths was never an issue in the earlier releases. I’m a developer and there should be a log on each plot, and allows the team or possibly the user to rollback to a certain timestamp. So all the builds out I’ve been doing since day and preparing for this moment and I’m completely blocked from moving forward, is a massive disappointment for a game launch. Of course all of in here know that the early days are the most import since hit rates on scanners decrease the more as items are found. At this point being paid back for our land purchases should be in the table due to not holding up your agreement to allow us to work our plots. Please advise since I also sent a ticket for help two days ago, and yet no response.

[warped osprey]

where you can see the lowest possible ? on ledger ?

[radiant sky]

i do not know to be completely honest with you, lot of missing info in UI
people say you have to put in lowest price possible to be able to sell at least some fuel.

[thorny crater]

Just add zeros till the message appears and it will show you

[warped osprey]

oh ok
but that doesn't answer me . if i wanna buy fuel i have to pay 0.0071
the DAO gets 0.0071 from you but pays the land owner 0.0021 per fuel

[quiet heath]

You get the bonus fuel as well

[undone cedar]

u get bonus fuel in compensation so equals price

[cerulean nest]

It's the next mini-game in the Illuvium ecosystem - Illuvium Fuel: Race to the Bottom

[warped osprey]

how ?

[undone cedar]

u buy 1000 solons u get 2200 solons aprox

so if u want 1000

just buy 500 aprox

and u will get more than 1000

[thin dirge]

So does the % efficiency affect the passive generation on converters? Still not sure whether to just mass converters in one corner or try spread them out with power stations

[quiet heath]

Let's say you buy 10 fuel @0.0071

You will get the difference compared to what we sell (0.0021 - or less) in bonus fuel.
It does not appear in the front page only when you are submitting a purchase

[warped osprey]

oh got it

[quiet heath]

It will always be 95% to 5% split between DAO and land owner

[thorny crater]

Yeah the math behind this idk….all I know is I am not doing any kind of hard labor and making money. It’s like what the wealthy class/trust fund babies do. They push a button and collect interest. Now so do I, even if it small I like it….wish there was more demand though.

For me. I say let the dao profit, but is it fair? Idk my mind could be change once I get more context/math.

[thorny crater]

Ah that’s what that bonus is for

Sweet

[radiant sky]

yes it does.

[quiet heath]

Personally I feel it should be the opposite

The fuel should start at 0.00000001 (or whatever) having a lot of people hooked and then start with the price discovery...
In this way early players still get a benefit of early adoption

[cerulean nest]

To my understanding, the DAO is selling fuel at the same price as the landowners sell orders - it just takes much more purchase order to fill landowner sale orders as the DAO is selling 95%

[timber sapphire]

Getting bonus just seems more attractive then sudden price increase I guess

[quiet heath]

Because as of now the fuel is not selling fast enough or at all...

[undone cedar]

then u will have zero land investors... but hey we are getting to that 0.00000000000000000001

[cerulean nest]

So for a 100 sale order to fill, people have to buy 2000

[sudden zinc]

I played pre-season and reward count is 0, correct!

[quiet heath]

But that is what I mean we are already going in that direction...

Why not start in the opposite way?
Less people playing zero= less fuel sold on the FEX = higher price

Higher price= more players will actually play zero to sell fuel = more fuel on the market (you get the idea)

[radiant sky]

would you submit a report about the missing airdrop points by pressing B in game.
But not a bug report. Make it a payment error report
So press B in game. Submit a PAYMENT ERROR report.

[sudden zinc]

will try... Thanks!

[quiet heath]

I would be happy to forfeit all my earnings for a month or more for the well-being of the ecosystem

I am here (hope to be) for the long run

[fierce ice]

it does

[stray lark]

There should be a system where it would be more advantageous for those who play Overworld to have a land. This would mean that there would be less fuel on the market and would make the lands more valuable.

[lime bobcat]

we should be able to use our land fuel for the overwold….

[polar cosmos]

I think we should, but price of traveling and crafting should be 2x expensive for land hodlers

[radiant sky]

https://tenor.com/view/illuvium-illuviumio-ilv-yield-farming-gif-22225026

[gilded drift]

It shouldn't cost more since people invested thousands and currently can't profit from land even after waiting for two years..

[rose thicket]

90 / 10 sounds a lot more sensible to me at this point...what you say?

[lime bobcat]

why have land if there is no advantage I have a megacity which cost me more than 10k and ultimately it is completely useless... zero will end up disappearing since there is no advantage...

[undone cedar]

or 50%50

[upper seal]

if illuvium takes off I wonder if land or ilv would be the best investment at this price.

[undone cedar]

we need more improvements in land and ow to hook more ppl

[rose thicket]

the question I ask would be the best "risk-adjusted return" even if it were to outperform, say, the leading L1 (Solana)...by the way its declined 32 consecutive months against it.

[gilded drift]

When I bought land I got impression that first land owner fuel will be sold and only then DAO will sell. Also there was rule that fuel price can't fell down go up more then 25% from base but that doesn't seem to be true

[wet hollow]

Problem:
There is a massive oversupply of fuel which will only continue to get much worse as lands mature into full fuel production capacity. Unless there is a massive uptick in overworld participation.

Solution:
Stop the DAO / landowner 19/1 ratio, and introduce a 95% tax on free market landowner fuel sales.

The DAO still takes its 95% cut without the massive oversupply of fuel.

Just a thaught.

[undone cedar]

correct, that was much better

[cerulean nest]

I don't know, I assume the DAO arrived at the current split in order to facilitate necessary funding for ongoing development. Whilst shifting the split in favour of landowners would be a nice short-term boost to landowner sentiment, I'm not confident it would materially improve the current situation anyway, and could jeopardise long-term prospects of the DAO. It would need to be modelled with realistic data.

[onyx scroll]

Is anyone having issue accessing their land, I can access my f2p but not my T2 same issue on mobile and PC

[lime bobcat]

I always think about using the fuel from my lands and then paying extra for overworld. but in the end I haven't played Overworld yet for this reason... why pay for fuel when I produce it but it's impossible to use... I feel robbed

[upper seal]

unless more people start playing and buying fuel then it won't matter what ratio land holders get paid out.
hopefully the bull market will pump everything regardless.

[rose thicket]

@cerulean nest thanks for the feedback and sensible idea of "modeling with realistic data." We are like minded and I am trying to do my part to advocate for common sense changes. Hope that you can join me in that effort.

[solar swallow]

30 each

[rotund forum]

I have been complaining about eliminating the lower rail as it seems impossible to sell larger amounts, and deposits spill over, the game basically gets totally stuck at one point. What I noticed yesterday is that the drop is pretty linear, and today I looked back at the last days (every fuel is a bit different but the trend is the same). At this rate in exactly 1 week there will be no more bottom rail as fuelprices will have dropped to zero. Demand is very low, but at least you´ll be able to get rid of your fuel, and then when we hit rock bottom we either stay there or things start to slowly improve over time.

[thorny crater]

I would disagree just due to the psychology of this. No one like prices increases but price decrease are loved.

[rotund forum]

people are used to increasing prices all their lives, if it goes gradual they will hardly notice. If it goes faster, they´ll complain until they get used to it but buy anyway.

[thorny crater]

all i hear about is inflation and price increases in America right now. i just disagree.

I asked AI to optimize my land and show me a picture. this is what i got xD:

[hazy tartan]

A billion complaints but everyone spends the same

[undone cedar]

like the inflation on our fuel? xD

[analog basin]

This is a brill idea. Not sure if it would work but lets face it, the current version is a disaster from not just landowners perspective but the game image in total.

[thorny crater]

prices going down, that would be deflation lol

[undone cedar]

on price, but inflation on fuel itself

[thorny crater]

yet it change people and how they act. it matters

[undone cedar]

think of fuel as a currency, we are getting devaluated fast as hell

[thorny crater]

yeah higher supply no demand. we need more consumer exp.....thatis being talked about now. idk what your arguing for right now.

i want prices WAY lower

fuel want never the way i wanted to make my main income from land. just a bonus

for me anyway

[hazy tartan]

I agree It does, but also doesn’t mean people will outright stop because of inflation, sure they’ll complain but the amount who will stop is very minimal

[undone cedar]

game needs to impvoe and have more "modes", multiplayer, mmo stile, etc. Now u can guve the game for free, is not good enough for ppl to play

[thorny crater]

Think like a consumer and not the boss for a second.
If have 60$ to spend why would i buy illuvium rather than dogma 2.....illuvium just charges you more in game, dogma has in game purchanes but 95%+ of the game is free. or eldin ring, or balders gate//palwaorld etc.

[mortal smelt]

right now buying necessities to live are at ath

[mortal smelt]

nexus level 9?

[thorny crater]

This was my thought for T0 but the only replies i got from it so far has been basically "if i cant make money of it now then it will not work"......these are just Ideas to increase consumer experience, those responses' just gives me the feel of people just want to farm our customers like animals. Thats WILD....
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[pearl marten]

What if instead of the DAO adding 19x more fuel to any sell order they would take a 95% cut and we get 5%?

Its the same revenue (using either mechanic) but at least we wouldn't have an oversaturated market

[mortal smelt]

in Gods Unchanined you can earn tokens by just playing with the free cards given but even with that it didn't catch on to the "masses'

[runic meadow]

Hello everyone !
I was wondering if it is possible to research anything with material lab in the free plot ?

[hazy tartan]

The key will be ultimately giving as many possible avenues to play, like an arena mode for mobile as well, you could do something like they are with Pokémon’s league type game, something where we choose an illuvial and battle as the illuvial as teams, I hate to say copy and paste but realistically that’s all that needs to be done with some innovation here and there. Sure price point is high but not when you consider getting 8 games for the price point vs 1 game for 60

[rose maple]

lvl 201 cap on Zero atm?

[copper falcon]

yes

[rose maple]

Danke

[unborn willow]

hello guys

[thorny crater]

eh we do not need to reinvent the wheel, just make our more attractive lol. My friend LOVE TFT...i do not but i cant get them to play this game.. When they were at my house last weekend i let them read the chats and my views are coming from their responses. They feel like this game based on the discords chats is just the "investors" just want to suck money out of them lol.

Its been a bummer really. I thought they would have loved it from the start.

[wet hollow]

@wet hollow @pearl marten just proposed something similar, it would also work in the developers favour, as the land sale was a big source of investment for them, and with another possible 80k plots of land to sell, they will need to fix the problem or any other land sale is just a non starter.

[tardy falcon]

scanner 5

[mortal smelt]

wow

[pearl marten]

The issue might be that it's a hard pill to swallow when you sell 100$ worth of fuel and get 5$ for yourself... while basically now it's the same people might not like the 95% cut

[pseudo pulsar]

@undone cedar few good ideas about rpg sty open skill build

[rotund forum]

nice, but... not very helpful as is most you ask AI 🤪

[solar swallow]

I can't imagine land sale anywhere close with current problems

[mortal smelt]

Could it be a sliding scale depending on a certain amount of players/buyers?

[pseudo pulsar]

Land will get more use new ways to play to earn skill based

[rotund forum]

because gods is not that fun if you are used to heartstone. It is like a poor web3 ripoff (with all respect for the efforts made, but it´s just a lot more boring in my opinion at least... and apparently a lot feel the same).

[pseudo pulsar]

mining from Land I can also see a big possibility

[mortal smelt]

same could be said about tft, but that wasn't the point. I was responding to the have land earn something as a f2p.

[pseudo pulsar]

mining shards gems exc

[mortal smelt]

the RNG was the killer for me and the sudden changing of the cards and what they can do

[rotund forum]

that would indeed be about the most inopportune time possible. Would have been better even before launch when people were still unaware of how this was going to evolve (until now... let´s hope things take a turn at some point)

[pseudo pulsar]

@mortal smelt rule chang is scaray

[mortal smelt]

especially when you bought the cards at ath

[pseudo pulsar]

@mortal smelt biggest problem with online games is rule change you spend all this time building a particular skill trait to utilize what's available as a skill increase and then they change

[rotund forum]

ah sorry mate. Didn´t see that context 👍

[pseudo pulsar]

Just about every game ever online

[thorny crater]

the story about how ETH was created was due to a WOW change of a hard and rare item to find haha. This 100%

https://tenor.com/view/it-be-like-that-sometimes-like-that-sometimes-snoop-dogg-sometimes-just-like-it-gif-12501830

[mortal smelt]

at least with Illuvium it has to go through the DAO before any big changes

[thorny crater]

Absolutely awful haha

[rotund forum]

yeah, if you had a purple item it was like super special and legendary there were like 2 items in the entire game. Now you get them for free.

[mortal smelt]

I am disappointed that they changed the scan requirements though, im knee deep in resources but fuel

[graceful sleet]

Hey, what the max level for nexus on tier 1 ?

[mortal smelt]

9

[rotund forum]

same as on a T5.

just takes a lot longer to get there

[thorny crater]

this i wish they made it harder. I forgot how many totoal BPs there are, but its VERY limited

[thorny crater]

true true. love the ideas

[analog basin]

It might be a hard pill to swallow but to be honest I'm having problems swallowing what I am already chewing. They need to do something fast as sentiment is turning sour equally as fast. I imagine this may be an easier thing to implement than some of the other longer term suggestions now surfacing. Getting the fuel inflation under control with landowners being the only suppliers and a 95% tax has got to be worth a try. Clearly the current method isn't working and doing a lot of damage to sentiment

[mortal smelt]

I am wondering if there would be a market for tier 1 skins

[pseudo pulsar]

Been trying get my T-1 off the ground

[thorny crater]

man i spent a night from about 9-2 am,, then yesterday redoing multiple plots......i hate my t3 right now lol

i should have put the scanner on the 4 corners and built everything in-betweengoing to redo it again lol

[barren pike]

Is there any sense in play the F2P plot? Anything to unlock or just the fun with game.

[rotund forum]

yeah that would be a lot more space efficient

[mortal smelt]

takes time, I am just on standby with my T2...kinda disheartening watching all the IZ feeds on twitter from the T-4s

[thorny crater]

kicking my self in the butt lol

[copper falcon]

you can get some airdrop points, but not much

[rotund forum]

well, it´s a learning process. I am moving stuff around still also, but tbh in the end all that counts is efficiency, although your base will end up butt ugly

[mortal smelt]

I can't even accept my goals cause it would over fill my storage

[rotund forum]

get used to that, elements will spill over in the many millions a day

[copper falcon]

a Sith lord lair

[mortal smelt]

need more use case! lol

wish the scans took some resources too

or material labs

[pseudo pulsar]

@copper falcon Troll counrty

[rotund forum]

I actually spilled over 500 fuel this morning... that was a mistake of course, but how many silos can one build... just to stack up

[rotund forum]

they were pure resources before... it is now in open beta they changed it in fuel. But yeah why not add some elements as well...

[mortal smelt]

trying to minimize dead weight on my plot and fit in 2 scanners and 3 more fuel converters

[copper falcon]

but it really reminded me Star Wars, the planet where Anakin was almost killed.

[mortal smelt]

hopefully everything will be 150

[sudden zinc]

Done! Thanks!

[pseudo pulsar]

@copper falcon

[copper falcon]

yeah

[mortal smelt]

anyone know if 150% effeciency is the way to go or spam a little over 100%?

[pseudo pulsar]

@mortal smelt all down to sec

Get that fuel to market

[mortal smelt]

which is why im trying to connect every building together with the roads

[pseudo pulsar]

@mortal smelt iam at 4% road

[mortal smelt]

im at 10%

[pseudo pulsar]

10% not bad hard to see 4%

[mortal smelt]

trying to upgrade everything before I start to sell as the prices are down at the moment

[versed warren]

Am i doing this right

[hazy tartan]

That resource placement is a dream fr

It’s so neat I’m jealous

[pearl marten]

The current method works if we have enough players.
We'll just have to wait and see what the team comes up with and we might pitch in this idea also

[thorny crater]

i had a power station behind my nexus and couldnt see it till i started moving other stuff around haha.

but yeah i actually enjoy this lol. Put on some tunes, a podcast, a movie, or ill chill in the illuvium discord/my friends discord and watch other play while i drink some drink and smoke a little bit. Get focus! haha

everyones plots look so good haha

[thorny crater]

im testing it as we go lol....but i have no clue yet haha

[versed warren]

How many fuel stations should i have at 143% tho i feel like 5 is just scratch the surface. Any recommendations on moving things or getting different buildings? I want 7 at 143% to get the +1

[hazy tartan]

You can look at alot of popular games out and replicate imo, zero is basically clash of clans, clash royale type game is easy next step using illuvials we caught, league of legends type game where you use illuvials in a free MObA arena (would be a great game imo), add multi to OW maybe some npc, I get a very start of fallout 76 feel with no npc at all in areas outside the mesa, but you’re right don’t need to reinvent the wheel just literally find how we can utilize the existing assets in as many popular game types as possible

[thorny crater]

true we just lack co-op aka multiplayer aspects. Get people exicted to grind to have a cool x equipment and/or a cool illuvial. Without feel like youre beeing farm jsut for money...that whol concept need to never come into a consumers mind who is here for enjoyment.

Now those whos goal is to make money. different story.

[mortal smelt]

Would have been cool to be able to visit plots in the OW

The plots for pvp shooter or LOL type

using the buildings etc

[thorny crater]

YESSSS! this was just an IDEA but i was thinking the same thing. here is how I would connect the land to OW so can literally walk on peoples land. IT would be hard to implement but wouldn't that be freaking awesome?!
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[hazy tartan]

At higher level it makes it more worth it to me, that extra 50% doesn’t outdo the extra converter imo at low levels, for instance 9 vs 11 yield, if I lose two but have another passive yielding 2 per every other day it’s negligible, if I can manage 3 more converters instead of 3 more power plants that gives me 9 convert and 6 passive every other day with 3 100ish converters vs 11 convert from 1 150 converter and the 2 every other day passive

[mortal smelt]

I mean everything is 3d modeled except for IZ, but they are planning to do it from what i've read. So I don't think it would or could be that far off

[mortal smelt]

This is the answer I was looking for, thank you! I was going to try and play around on the f2p but since it starts as a T-1 would be time consuming.

[thorny crater]

https://tenor.com/view/tyler-hynes-hynies-roadhouse-romance-dont-tempt-me-with-a-good-time-good-time-gif-23049975

[thorny crater]

found out yesterday you get coins from it though. Thats what got me started on it. But only every 5 levels lol

[hazy tartan]

Yeah I’ve tried everything I can to maximize my t1 as quickly as possible, math shows mass converters

[rotund forum]

I had a hyperion outcrop hidden behind a solon extractor. At one point I started counting and I thought it was a bug, that I was missing a fuelsite. You can´t see it ingame if you switch on the resource filter... so actually had to go look up my plot on illuvidex where the outcrops were located and then discovered it finally. The view is like 45 degrees, it would maybe have been better to make it 30 degrees. Anyway they already plan 3D IZ so then that won´t be an issue anymore for future landholders.

[polar cosmos]

you doing clear

Question about blueprints minted during alpha version. Are they unique or can anyone mint them now?

[versed warren]

Huh?

[fiery iris]

Looks good to me

[hazy tartan]

The question was moreso, worth a singular 150 or worth multiple 100 rn. At your case obviously better if you can max as many as possible but in the short term many at 100 is better than 1 at 150

[thorny crater]

3D IZ! and being about to rotating buildings lol if we could do that id remake my site AGAIN and would even be made about it lol

[thorny crater]

I am copying yours xD

but my fuels are byt all corners which sucks

[cinder crest]

Is there going to be market price fuel, as in I don't need to keep reposting my fuel and can instead just post for market price and sell at cheapest

[rotund forum]

You’d still not sell, because we would all sell at that price then and fuel > demand

[spiral ravine]

Hi guys, i received months ago on my illuvidex, a fuel crate that has a value in dollar. What can i do with that?

[rotund forum]

Either try to sell it on imx marketplace or claim it and use it yourself in OW. You can NOT use it in IZ unfortunately

[analog basin]

Agreed but the reality is we don't have enough players and this after years of build up hype leading up to the launch. If everything was going according to plan, now would be the time when player numbers would be at or near ATHs and gradually increasing, but it isn't happening is it. There is something missing and this is concerning. I have to confess the way things have turned out has really surprised me. I'm kinda embarrassed to be truthful. Before and in the run up to the launch I was pointing friends in Illuviums direction, but thankfully none of them listened [Phew] If they don't bring it up I'm not going to either lol. I'm not fudding just mega disappointed after investing close to $30k into the game since 2022. I'm not new to web3 gaming and seen many failures and this is what has surprised me post launch. it almost feels like a different game even if I can't explain that. Don't get me wrong I'm also a realist and no 'To da moon' junkie. I know we are in Beta and all that goes with it but my expectations were for something quite different. Going by the player numbers I'm obviously not the only one feeling this.

[spiral ravine]

Don't you have crypton sites to get the fuel?

[spiral ravine]

Thanks for answering! How can i use it in illuvium zero?

Oh ok this explains why you have a lot of L Crypton Collider

[upbeat drift]

where can you see the player numbers?i am looking for that for a while

[cinder crest]

right but wouldn't require me to keep changing the price, I don't care what it sells at I'm mainly just making money until the land is worth selling. So let me sell for minimum and keep updating the price until it sells. It's manual and off chain anyway so can be done

[rotund forum]

Like I said, unfortunately you can’t 😅

[spiral ravine]

Sorry my fault! ahaha So better to sell it now or wait? Will the price go up?

[hazy tartan]

I can’t post yet but my play is nexus 6 I have 3 of each fuel converter, 1 at loss of 1 conversion and the other 2 at pure passive getting 2 per day. My 9 conversion and 6 passive is more than 11 convert and 2 passive with a single converter. With human error you lose efficiency on converting for a gain while passive gains nearly never go missed

Just like that we hit posting ability lol

[rotund forum]

I think selling now nobody would buy it, as fuel prices are dropping. Either use it to play overworld or if you want to sell wait for better times

[spiral ravine]

I don't play in overworld, so i wait to sell it in other times...but probably if in the future will be demand, the worth will decrease

[hazy tartan]

@south mural just need to optimize once I rush to nexus 7 and then I’ll max as many on efficiency as possible, im talking from a pre nexus 7 perspective, those 50 buildings are colossal

[analog basin]

Directly not sure but you don't need to see them directly. Fuel not selling tells you all you need to know.

[spiral ravine]

But is a good thing trying to sell the fuel in this period? Are there players who buy it or not yet?

[hazy tartan]

Yeah, been trying to balance that with leveling so I’m not super behind as well, but the 7 is when you can actually make any significant moves, everything prior is just optimizing a turd… I knew my town hall rushing practice from clash would come into play someday

[analog basin]

The amount of fuel available is swamping demand at 19/1 ratio. There is virtually zero demand compared with supply. I have 3 plots and have so far sold $1.72 worth since the fuel market became active. The 3 plots cost me north of $8000. Again you don't need to see the actual player numbers to see something ain't working as anticipated.

[rotund forum]

I think you could look at unique wallets but both immutascan and the ledger are basically impossible to get any real info from; you can’t export any data… can’t help thinking that is on purpose, but my tax guy says it’s useless. (Funny thing is in their legal description they state it’s your own responsibility, but they don’t give you the tools to declare… you can maintain your own excel sheet… yet useless for tax offices). Anyway, although you can’t see number of players the very low revenue would indicate that there are not that many active paying players.

[spiral ravine]

This is very low honestly! So we need to hope that in the future the demand will increase a lot!

[spiral ravine]

So what you can see if works or not?

[analog basin]

Agreed but my point is as it currently stands it isn't inspiring confidence for the future. Yea things can turn around but the reason I'm surprised is I didn't for one moment believe we would be even having this discussion two months ago.

[spiral ravine]

So is this project failing at this point?

[tardy falcon]

I wouldn't say failing... more like tempered expectations

[analog basin]

No, not if they can turn the current situation around, but turned around it surely needs.

[spiral ravine]

Did in the past they promise we land owners, would have earned a bunch of money?

[spiral ravine]

Well i think that they made a great project, but it needs something more,to boost the fuel market at this point

[thorny crater]

This is my T1 but will less bui8lding its to much easier to reorginze lol....just got this to t7 lst night:

need tomplan out from the stat instead of just focusing on EFF for all my building. made that mistake 3 times xD

[hazy tartan]

I’ve only been upgrading during downtime of big upgrades and what is disposable, never have downtime upgrading is the big one for me, never do I have 0 builders working

[tardy falcon]

They promised to make a game with particular mechanics... they have delivered on their promises. Lands do what they said they would do. The only way people will make money with land is if there are players playing the game. That's the hard part right? Bringing people into the ecosystem.. game needs to be fun and retain.

[rotund forum]

Tempered expectations 😆

[analog basin]

100%. They just need to think fast as the current iteration isn't working as they anticipated. I think the team may be having a few OMG surprise moments too but naturally they have to remain positive.

[spiral ravine]

Ok yeah the game have to be played but i don't know now how many players are on illuvium and how they are doing marketing to promote the project

[spiral ravine]

Yeah i think they are able to do that! Hope will be boosted soon

[hazy tartan]

Anything that costs fuel is on the backburner except extractors

@south mural But figure better to get my power plants up for if they ever change how efficiency works

[thorny crater]

this has never been promised to anyone. Investing in a project rather be a game or sky scraper you are noever 100% gurentee to make money. But I hope more consumer experience is created where people want to pay to travel more

[analog basin]

This is my point. We weren't the ones putting the advisement burger ads together were we.

[tardy falcon]

I hear a lot of the team is on vacation now so I don't see a lot of changes coming right away... maybe we see some movement in september

[spiral ravine]

I don't know that i've just asked! But i hope to make an extra income with my land

[copper falcon]

i dont think they had any OMG moments, i think they planned to start small, remove bugs, make better UI/UX, add some more gameplay features, and then to start shill the game among web2 players. so all goes by the plan. so its testing now still, for a few crypto-gamers, but on mainnet.

[thorny crater]

me too. me too lol

but thats jus the world of investing. its a risk

[spiral ravine]

Because i invested money 2 years ago so i want the ROI ahaha

[spiral ravine]

But can we sell the land in the worst of cases right?

[thorny crater]

i beleiev in the team its why i been here since 2020

[thorny crater]

of course. Land is for sale on the illuvial dex

[spiral ravine]

Did you see a lot of improvings right?

[spiral ravine]

The only problem can i sell it at the same price i bought? Will be someone to buy it? ahahah

[thorny crater]

I bought my t3 on augest 2nd. from some random person lol

[hazy tartan]

Already sitting and waiting, no point in sitting at max hydrogen and carbon all the time

[thorny crater]

yup yup there is a pinned post about futher utilities of land

[tardy falcon]

Despite Zero being a fuel generator and science research utility... I actually enjoy playing Zero more than the other games 😅

[rotund forum]

No, but in my particular case I think wishful thinking turned into my own not too realistic expectations. That is on me, not on the team.

[analog basin]

Well only the team knows the truth about that and as it would be bad marketing to admit it we will never know. However, I very much doubt they all sat around a table and said 'Yea landowners not being able to sell fuel is the intended first step, lets give them something to worry about and then we'll fix it later' Just can't see that convo ever taking place lol.

[copper falcon]

they always said the prices will fluctuate🤷‍♂️ this means exactly that is happening now.

nobody said i will fluctuate only on the up side😅

[analog basin]

Yes fluctuating to zero.

[rotund forum]

Fluctuate is going up and down. It never went up since release 😅

[copper falcon]

supply and demand🤷‍♂️

[analog basin]

Demand is the problem, there isn't any. Endex

[copper falcon]

there is some, ppl play and pay, but ofc the number of players is small

[spiral ravine]

Well fluctuating to zero is not encorauging

[spiral ravine]

How many time this game has been launched ?

[analog basin]

Which once again is the problem....WHY?

[rotund forum]

I had hopes the players we do have would soon go on stage 3 runs thus increasing demand but on the other hand more fuel being produced each day so that is a dudd

[spiral ravine]

So we should produce less fuel at the moment?

[copper falcon]

i said my opinion before, cus the Team doesnt need a lot of players now, still testing and adding features, still beta.

[analog basin]

How much runway funds do they have left?

In months? Years?

[copper falcon]

if make a huge marketing now, a lot will come, will be disappointed with bugs and shallow gameplay, and will never come back. also its hard to pay for it for non-crypto guys

[analog basin]

Hearsay I read they burning $1m a month?

[copper falcon]

15 or so

[analog basin]

15 months? ok. That will fly by

[spiral ravine]

The fact is that is not easy and comfortable using metamask extension so the process itself is really hard

[undone cedar]

u only need a google account to play. Then if u want to "get" some money u can learn how to use metamask

[spiral ravine]

I am a crypto guy but metamask scares me a lot

[copper falcon]

its a lot of time, they work fast, they made 3 games in 3 years. they now all work, the hardes part is done, now its making the games better.

[spiral ravine]

Yeah but they should make it easier for the masses

[undone cedar]

for sure, easier = better

[analog basin]

You need to be correct. Hope you are.

[copper falcon]

yeah, its just my opinion, i may be wrong ofc, but i hope not😅 🙏

[thorny crater]

me too. I will be reorginazing all my plots from today till they are done. again for the 3rd time 😅

[tardy falcon]

Good luck! That can be a lottttt 😱

[spiral ravine]

The fact is that organizing and make the plot evolve is a full time job ahahah

[copper falcon]

also don't forget they are making money now, small, yes, but its already something.

[copper falcon]

at first, higher levels need less time

[spiral ravine]

I hope i mean i am working in that direction

[analog basin]

I really do want this project to succeed and not just because of the stash I put into it. My faith in web3 gaming is on the line too, that as a concept someone can create a tokenomics ecosystem that actually works and is sustainable. Web3 games so far don't have a good track record and I should know as been in a bunch of failures so far already. I have/had high hopes for ILV this is why I'm feeling a little uneasy at the moment.

[copper falcon]

i develop 3 lands in parallel, at first i was busy all day, now i only spend 5 min every 2-3 hours, and i am still on level 7 or nexus, level 9 will be even less time-consuming, i suppose, like 10 minutes a day or so

[spiral ravine]

Yeah you are right but maybe need a little bit of time

[spiral ravine]

Ok great to read it!

[analog basin]

Yea ok sorry to be a cynic but they all say that when things not going as planned and with ILV it is right out of the gate.. We'll see.

[copper falcon]

haha, yeah, may be, still didnt try to sell, all fuel goes to developing and scanning

[tardy falcon]

A lot of us have been here a lonnnnnnnng time… I’ll be playing til the game either succeeds or dies

If anything, I’ll have enough fuel to play ow infinitely 😂

[analog basin]

Me too. I bought land on the original Dutch auction and have a bunch staked from the very first week it went live.

[copper falcon]

i understand your feelings, i think you need to be calm and just wait, trying to have fun in games. the Team showed that they can deliver, they really made 3 games, even in the bad market, they work, people play. so much was done under the hood, we non-devs just cant imagine. now the foundation is done and works, its time to make the games more attractive and easy to pay for.

[tardy falcon]

It’s like a marriage 😅

[thorny crater]

Omg got is lol. When I realized I messed up my t3 is was gut wrenching lol

[analog basin]

That worries me even more. I've been divorced 3 times lol

[thorny crater]

I want it to succeed for a MAJOR legislative reason. Yes this is fun I’m thinking about digital ownership. Google, Microsoft, even now Walmart has bought visio data so they’ll know what/when we watch whatever and they all sell our data.

We should be getting 50% of those gross profits back from those companies who sell your, my, our data.

[tardy falcon]

At least we have games to play on chain now… there’s a good foundation

[copper falcon]

till someone pays for servers

[thorny crater]

Same haha

https://tenor.com/view/jack-sparrow-sinking-ship-sink-captain-gif-23239537

I’m the captain now

[tardy falcon]

There’s still hope

[thorny crater]

I think we are early honeslty.

Still*

[tardy falcon]

As long as there is still funding for the project

[thorny crater]

I love how easy it mints everything. That is so freaking cool

[copper falcon]

i even don't understand that "still", the start was great! no huge bugs, all works more or less, ppl play and pay...

[thorny crater]

Need combined listing like, I’d like to list 100 t0 cured shards for 1$ rather than 100 shards for .01 a piece

[analog basin]

It's not enough mate. The daily ETH takings are apparently only a 5th of expenditure.

[stoic rapids]

I thought it was much less than 1/5

[copper falcon]

you know my points, i think its planned this way, to start small😉

[analog basin]

As Baldrick would say 'I have a cunning plan'

[tardy falcon]

Yah I’m a little bit jaded because I’ve seen the hype and expectations over and over…. But actual delivery doesn’t match up to the hype. So I’ve tempered those expectations.

It is nice that the games are out and people are playing… but I also realize it’s going to be a long road to build and grow loyal daily active users.

[copper falcon]

the game is def not ready yet for millions of players, for retention of them.

[analog basin]

Yea something like $170k per month [so far] I believe with outgoings around $1m

Earn 10 pennies spend 9 = Paradise. Earn 10 pennies spend 11 = Hell on Earth

[stoic rapids]

hm, is that including the big bump in sales immediately after launch, eg zero owners buying coins for workers once and never again?

[copper falcon]

i think this aridrop campaign, 6 months, is an indicator of plans. 6 months is planned for removing bugs, ironing servers and backend, developing easy payment ways etc, so an incentive is needed to retain testers.

[analog basin]

I believe that is related to fuel sales

Even better lol. That cheered me up no end.

[stoic rapids]

well they could stop revdis couldn't they?

[analog basin]

Well they could but then why would I hold? Swap the ILV for BTC then. A slope that's is slippy one might say.

[stoic rapids]

would crash the price, but better than shutting down the studio

tokens are 0 if they shut down the servers...

[copper falcon]

i think they would vote for stopping revdis for a while, cus if not, the game will die and no hope for anything

[analog basin]

For me the bottom line is this. OW isn't the game I was expecting. It just isn't engaging enough to keep me going back. I mean I have around 3000 of each fuel from that free airdropped crate sitting there and I am just not feeling compelled to jump back in. Haven't played OW for almost 2 weeks. This is telling me something at least.

[copper falcon]

mey be just not your type of the game🤔 but yeah, it sure needs more gameloops and stuff

[rugged jungle]

It's the beginning. They have plans, and it will be so much greater when they have some time to develop it.

[copper falcon]

cus had other things to do... all MMOs develop their loops with time, start more or less shitty and grow to greatness, if survive🤷‍♂️

[analog basin]

It's not about that it is about engagement. I need to feel compelled to get back in as I'm missing opportunities. Take Splinterlands as an example. Been playing it since 2018 I hate the frikkin game as it is rage fuel. But I keep going back buying more cards and trying to climb the leaderboard. Splinterlands is also in a bit of trouble I should add, Tokenomics again and that's even with addictive gameplay.

[copper falcon]

it is complete in Overworld as well, just not engaging for a lot of people🤷‍♂️

[stoic rapids]

I would be excited to play overworld if it was like palworld and I could fight big illuvials with a bunch of friends

[atomic zealot]

The devs have been silent

That's my issue

[copper falcon]

yeah, you may be right i am afraid...

[atomic zealot]

Also I doubt they'll take any ideas given to them

How??

You can get illuvials?

[copper falcon]

its the first game of a new studio😅

[stoic rapids]

to catch illuvials without a team?

or just to find rare stuff?

[atomic zealot]

Ooo interesting

[stoic rapids]

I guess that doesn't fundamentally change the economy, but funny

[thorny crater]

it can be like palworld lol

the team is thinking about it

[tardy falcon]

I'm sure they are looking at player data... it would be dumb to keep trying to polish something that people aren't playing. So if arena is ded then they would prioritize where people are playing... I would think.

[copper falcon]

have you reported this to the team?

[atomic zealot]

Are they? No on is talking to us lol

[stoic rapids]

at this point just replace OW with a gacha wheel

[copper falcon]

not good😅

[atomic zealot]

Broooo

These guys can't handle criticism or new ideas

That's why I sold my land and dipped

It's a disaster

[copper falcon]

fuck, that is what i was afraid of, i am not a dev, but understand this logic, and hoped they understand too

[stoic rapids]

damn

[copper falcon]

or you are just fudding🤨

[analog basin]

Boy oh boy can you remember the days of ILV @ $1900 lol

[copper falcon]

meh, that is really disturbing if its true

[atomic zealot]

I believe it, I remember playing beta a while ago and th game hasn't changed much since, now you gotta run after illuvials but that's it

[copper falcon]

i can't, have no such skills

[stoic rapids]

they built gauntlet quite quickly I believe

[atomic zealot]

But they took 2 years to add running to the illuvials? And sliding (which I hate)

The worst part is the devs are silent

Completely silent on player base, roadmap, or anything else

[copper falcon]

ok, you are fudding 100%

[analog basin]

Ha ha ha

[atomic zealot]

1 year

[analog basin]

15 months lol

or something like that

[stoic rapids]

illuvium certainly can't raise from VC in current state

why would that bankrupt it?

[copper falcon]

describe how you look in the code, concrete instruments and ways, something real.

[atomic zealot]

Did they have moderators on here? I remember 2 years ago if I said 10% of what I'm saying today id get destroyed

[copper falcon]

i think you can't, just pretending

[analog basin]

Hmmmm

[copper falcon]

you just read somewhere that logic should be on the server, not on client, and using this now to fud

[stoic rapids]

people make cheats specifically for illuvium?

[analog basin]

It's called free speech, something that is rapidly becoming rarer than a Dark Holo in 2024

[copper falcon]

whoops, gone

[spring jetty]

Did the poor guy just got banned?

[hazy tartan]

Freedom of speech exists, freedom from consequences does not. Bang bang ban gang

[spring jetty]

Just when I was enjoying a little truth

[analog basin]

Ha ha ha probs

[analog basin]

One mans truth is another mans poison, who decides?

[copper falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/danny-devito-its-always-sunny-in-philadelphia-bang-bang-bang-shoot-gif-16451074233666853646

[hazy tartan]

Like to call it to each their own, could catch a stray from anyone so better to keep your truths to yourself

[atomic zealot]

I'm for it, I'm saying 2 years ago free speech was not a thing here

[atomic zealot]

Some code is server side some if not most is client side....you had to download a ton of stuff to play the game, what do you think you were downloading

[analog basin]

So stay quiet for an easy life ? Spartans motto I think lol

[atomic zealot]

I didn't verify what he was saying but it's definitely possible

[stoic rapids]

I don't know why they didn't build OW to support multiplayer

[hazy tartan]

Speak softly and carry a big stick

[burnt viper]

lmao 😂 are you trying to give us anxiety from this?

[copper falcon]

a code that draws everything for sure. but i hope the logic which can be exploited to have money advantage is on the servers, its obvious even for a nub that it should be.

but there were some cheaters on testnet, thats a fact. so something is on the client side. at least was

[copper falcon]

they are working on this rn

[atomic zealot]

Yes the money stuff is probably on server side but spawn points is definitely client side

[stoic rapids]

are they? I haven't seen anything

[copper falcon]

at least they say so on AMAs

[rain thicket]

Does anyone know if or when land owners will be able to use their own fuel in OW?

[stoic rapids]

that's good I guess

[rain thicket]

I think Aaron made a comment at some point saying they were thinking about a work around to make this happen. My fuel is piling up on my plots and it’s impossible to sell in order to rebuy again. The entire system seems pretty congested and unusable right now.

Even if I spend money to buy fuel first then attempt to sell my land fuel I still can’t get a meaningful sell order to process on the fuel exchange.

[copper falcon]

sure, this kind of game needs to be multiplayer

[stoic rapids]

yeah I wonder if people set up fuel selling bots or something

last week I could sell my fuel on bottom rung pretty consistently

now Im lucky if I sell 2%

[atomic zealot]

Ow needs to be an actual game before doing multiplayer

[spring jetty]

That's because the floor is constantly updating

I have to change the price 20 times a day to sell maybe 50% of the fuel I have

I don't have time to do that

[analog basin]

I have 3 plots 1xT3 2xT2. Sold just over $1.70 worth of fuel and started putting in sell orders as soon as I was producing a useable amount. Just hanging there pending now. Rock bottom ask price too not the average

[copper falcon]

its subjective, you can say about every game that it is not really a game, boring, stupid, etc, and nobody can refute your statement - you either just don't like it or troll everyone for fun

only numbers can tell, if a lot of ppl play - its good, if not - bad. but first you need to have the people know about your game, and this was mostly not done yet, only for some crypto guys, a little.

[versed warren]

Good to know, but also try and only make them 143% thats the % you get the extra. At least for lvl 1 and 2 idk about lvl 3 it may matter then

[versed warren]

If it was like one of those exfill games and other players were threats and you only wnat to bring in ilvs that you could potentially lose if you die, i think that would make it a game. Rather than a rock shooter.

Like you could engage and fight others, whoever wins loses 1 illuvial or something and the winner gains.

Keep the storm

Keep all mechanics and idea, just like when your out, you have to go exfil and may come across someone who trys to steal your shit

And have proximity chat. Thats a must

[copper falcon]

and how many ppl would play such risky game? very few. and the aim is to widen the demographic of the game, not dwindle it😅

may be this could exist as one of modes of the game, for ppl who love risk and adrenaline. but for sure its not the highest priority cus this is small demographic

[versed warren]

Yeah, i get that, but games like rust and tarkov have huge and long term playerbase. And if this is just one illuvium game I think that would attract a huge market.

Anyways lets get back to land discussion.

[radiant sky]

Maybe not even too less....in the beginning...
But as soon as one looses more money than he can steal, he leaves. Which starts a spiral until there's just a few highly skilled Players left.

And a noob here and there playing few Games and leaving aswell with Frustration 😄

[copper falcon]

yep! a game for proud few with beyond average reflexes, but we need a game for millions who have fun and pay for it🤑

and do it for a long time!

[tardy falcon]

That's why OW multiplayer with voice chat and missions would be so good... would bring people together, be competetive, could integrate illuvial teams so there's utility. OW has more potential than arena imo.

Arena will always be niche

[copper falcon]

i hope they both have potential🙏

but yeah, arena is very competitive and needs strong skills, dedication and learning curve, so its more niche

[atomic zealot]

I mean we see this with fuel dump, no one is buying fuel and player base is decreasing

[copper falcon]

the price started from ceiling and now seeks a balance between supply and demand, as more and more landowners start to sell their fuels (you need to develop your land for some time to be able to sell something). It doesn't say a lot about how many ppl are playing. actually the players number is growing i suppose.

at least unique owners number grows steadily

[tropic saddle]

How do we find info on what a certain building does, and what each upgrade does for it? Specifically looking for info on the data bank

[pearl marten]

That's the most important thing
And Illuvium's design was never something that has 1mil players in the first 2-3 weeks where everyone farms the hell out of it and leaves

Illuvium will grow in time - team is working actively on refining/polishing/making the games better
If we've made it until now i say let's have a bit more patience

[copper falcon]

yep, i think exactly the same!

what matters is revenue, not fuel revenue😅 i see you are a land owner, but not an ILV staker, so your interest is concentrated only on land revenue. mine is broader😉

[radiant sky]

that's the same for now 😄
except merch shop went live again, haven't checked that in a while.

[copper falcon]

its only 5% the same

also as i understand, land owners get their 5% only from fuel sells, not from other rev streams. but i am not sure here.

ah, but they also generate blueprints!

[radiant sky]

no it's 100% the same.
every digital product is going to be (should be)sold in fuel.
we just have digital porducts yet.

so there basically is just fuel revenue... also for the stakers 🙂

[copper falcon]

but do they get 5% from Illuvidex 3% share?

[radiant sky]

no that's just for stakers.
thats true

[knotty sable]

Anyone else having issues with structure’s not working and not being able to level up?

[copper falcon]

well, ofc its important that people pay for their runs in the OW, buying fuels.

[copper falcon]

what structure?

[knotty sable]

Multiple structures, 1 hydrogen pump, solon trench, mines and a couple of storages

[copper falcon]

hmm, mine work ok so far! seems like a bug to report.

[knotty sable]

I reported about a week ago, but I’ve heard nothing back. Just curious if it was a common issue.

[knotty sable]

It’s not even giving me the option to delete it.

[copper falcon]

nah, at least i have not seen this yet. i only had a problem with access to 1 of my lands, solved now

[copper falcon]

may be add a comment to the bug to remind about it?

[knotty sable]

Ok, thanks

[tardy falcon]

Oh… I forgot that we will be able to buy d1sks with fuel

[spring jetty]

We will?

[tardy falcon]

Shouldn’t we be able to buy emote d1sks and battleboards with fuel too?

[tardy falcon]

That’s the plan afaik

[thorny crater]

https://tenor.com/view/tbbt-the-big-bang-theory-sheldon-panic-attack-anxiety-attack-gif-7210524

me right now

[rotund forum]

I don´t want to be the negative one here but just factual; I see not only fuel slipping to zero next wednesday, revenue is dropping as well. We had 10 Eth monday, 5 eth yesterday and 4 eth today (at same hour).

[thorny crater]

i was so over whelmed yesterday when i realized i messed up on my t3 i was just like...f it thats a future jqts369 problem lol

plus a little tipsy and what not didnt help lol

[radiant sky]

https://tenor.com/view/shh-secret-chris-pratt-silence-dont-say-gif-17543341

but yes

[rigid aspen]

I just want to say I have stopped selling fuel at these prices (nothing below 0.000001). I'm currently in the process of constant expansion of fuel storage containers. I have made 3 max level crypton storages (28k storage at T4). I will continue expanding storage of fuel and remove power stations as needed to expand to 100,000+ of fuel storage if need be. I am currently sitting on over 12k crypton, but I want large reserves to be able to sell during boom the bust cycles. I'd advise landowners to do the same and build large storages so we don't feel as much pressure to constantly sell every day.

Also, consider the long term view for fuel prices, it's better that we not fight for lowest prices and agree on a fair min price we won't list for sale under. To that aim, I will not be listing fuels below 0.000001. I may actually take my order off the market and wait for higher prices. It can sit in storage until then. I'd suggest you all change your sell orders to be the same and we can wait for the fuel to sell at this price--even if you see you could set it lower than that.

We got to stop cutting each others throats on the prices and start realizing we have a monoply of fuel, so we get to dictate market prices as long as we stay below top rail prices.

[slim topaz]

any word on plot/asset loading bug? 3 (or is it 4 now) weeks without a fix is beyond unacceptable for a game breaking bug. Honestly, I'm almost about to give up on this game.

[tardy falcon]

Yep I’m not selling

[slim topaz]

whatever they're working on, they need to address the bugs that keep players from actually engaging on whatever they're working on. Not sure how this is not being given the response it needs. The amount of confidence I have this in this team is about close to 0

[little moon]

The prices are sooooo low due to land owners dumping and under cutting each other in the race to see who sells first

I have a T2 and haven't had much to sell yet. Even if I have enough I will not be rushing to sell at these low prices

[tardy falcon]

I feel u… I was on loading stuck plot for two weeks. But they patched. I hear it’s vacation time for a lot of team but that they have identified the problem (I’m assuming you mean paths) and will have a fix in coming patch

[rigid aspen]

https://tenor.com/view/shannon-sharpe-shay-nope-nah-nuhuh-gif-16677595

[thorny crater]

I only sold fuel to test the market and the UI.....but im to greedy for land improvements lol

[rigid aspen]

My T4 has all max tier VI fuel, so producing over 4,000 fuel per day now. So if I build enough storages, I'll be able to have well over a month's storage supply if needed, possibly multiple months depending on how much you are willing to cut back on fuel production by reducing production efficency.

[thorny crater]

NOICE!

[slim topaz]

yeah I'm guessing it's that problem. I'd think an easy temp fix would be to just reset these plots and tell ppl not to go crazy with pathing. no clue why they can't just implement a button on the plot selection screen to reset plots from there. I'm no programmer fair enough but, again, that I'm going on 3+ weeks of having T4/3/2 plots be unplayable is just simple unacceptable. the fact that the dev team (whoever) thinks this is OK is, at this point, just pathetic to me. but whatever. I'm currently extremely down on this project and I played the poop out of the OW beta too. ridiculous.

[thorny crater]

I am trying to go only one storage building for now.....future me might hate past me though haha

[rigid aspen]

I had a problem with that when I transferred one of my extra land plots to my friends account. We had to transfer it back to my other account to get the plot accessible again.

But I think the team will fix it, but they are moving slow after launch fatigue.

[thorny crater]

I just moved one of my 4 might make 5 scanners to the end. but i need to redo this whole plot

[slim topaz]

alright i'm done whining but it beyond frustrating to see this level of ineffectiveness and lack of response.

and confidence is definitely LOW at this point.

[rotund forum]

Once there are sufficient players your logic makes sense. To create some kind of OPEC Illuvium style. But right now, I rather have 1$ than 0$. Stashing it till 100K is not going to do anything, in 2 weeks they will be overflowing as well and no further space for more silos

[radiant sky]

When Organization of Fuel Exporting Colonies guild? (OFEC)

[rotund forum]

as soon as we have 100K players

[rigid aspen]

I 100% feel you on this. Sucks the big one. Just trust on this, I have been at the launch of many, many games--I have yet to see a MMO type of game launch without bugs/account issues. It's not a "this team specifically". It's something the plagues nearly all game launches.

[broken roost]

https://tenor.com/view/doja-cat-star-wars-gif-25078126

[radiant sky]

https://tenor.com/view/noahs-arc-i-know-i-will-tomorrow-maybe-gif-21010213

[tardy falcon]

Yah I was super upset also. I just kept asking whoever for updates... but Theo was prob the most accurate. maybe ping him and see where things are at.

[tardy falcon]

If landowners could organize with a unified agenda things will be interesting

[radiant sky]

you know you talking about humans... in crypto...
as soon as there is profit everybody gives a f about a unified agenda 😂

But would still be fun to try i guess 😄

[rotund forum]

if you optimize efficiency to 150% or 180% you can pump out 5400+ a day, and with optimized L6 converters about 6000. Not that it will do much good now, but when things turn around it will be important.

[broken roost]

shhh 🤫 , let them remove upper rail first xD

[devout tide]

Hi, how much fuel you can get from 1 fuel mine max lvl around 100% efficiency

[tardy falcon]

i knowwww D:
How about a majority (:

[thorny crater]

Crypto investers are completely differet than any kind of property/business investor i have ever delt with

at harved they tell you, you will not make money or plan not to make money for 6 months.

[radiant sky]

https://tenor.com/view/maybe-brad-pitt-could-be-undecided-trendizisst-gif-26463873

[thorny crater]

here that ideology does not exist lol

some are lucky and get money off the back but that is NOT the norm

[rotund forum]

I really think if there were a lot of players and a lot of landholders would agree than we could manipulate price to something decent and stable

[thorny crater]

https://tenor.com/view/we-are-all-union-around-here-bro-the-vince-staples-show-apart-of-a-worker's-union-labor-union-netflix-gif-8493095414872491748

land union power xD

[radiant sky]

and council... if council doesn't like the price due to whatever reasons, they have the longer stick.
they just need a few landholders...

[tardy falcon]

Landholders could make a Zero Discord that requires londholder verification

[thorny crater]

mannnnn my lands do not register

idk why

[tardy falcon]

with all this passport shit and moving assets prob need to relink here... i notice all my roles are gone now too

[thorny crater]

Yeah i heard we can move our land back to our cold wallet and not lose any building. I have the guide to do it too.....but scared lol

if we could take a snape shot, so if things get erase or bugged i can get it reverted but when i bought my T3 i had to reset the plot to play.

all the buildings were worthless

[rotund forum]

well, they can always set a hard upper rail that does not move upwards any further. Thing is not to be abusive but at least have decent prices that are ok for landholders and players

[rotund forum]

just confirm your secondary (cold) wallet BEFORE you move them in your profile page, and it will be fine.

[thorny crater]

100% one of the steps haha

i think ill do it today

[rigid aspen]

I am still building converters. Got 4 Tier VI of them. But yes, I can still pump more out. I'm not sure how much I am making exactly yet, but it's definitely over 4k+ now. Might be 5k.

[rotund forum]

the T6 make 600 a day and if you have the corresponding landmark 720 (per fuelsite which are 9 in total on T4). Converters... you can either cramp them together and have 50% but I think it is better to spread them out and have 150%. Pretty sure they will soon make it even less interesting to stack converters right next to eachother.

[broken roost]

Same with a t2, still upgrading but i expect to get roughly 1k fuel/day

[spiral tangle]

Anyone update on the issue with getting stuck at level 201? I saw saw some earlier discussion about it but couldn't find whether it was resolved or not

[strange pivot]

Prices will probably go lower.. a lot of lands yet to become fully online, all T1-T3s these are not in production mode. Probably a lot of whales with T4 lands that have not moved off metamask that soon will be in fuel production mode. Demand has to increase, supply will probably not decrease, for prices to level off

[tardy falcon]

currently that's the max level

[broken roost]

thats the max lvl

[spiral tangle]

Ohhh, well shoot, are we not able to earn any more gold coins once we're maxed out?

[tardy falcon]

nop

[vapid jolt]

let me know if you have any luck finding this info, interested as well

[vapid jolt]

Seems odd to have launched the marketplace for Fuel when there's low demand for Fuel (I know it will increase going forward), just seems obvious in hindsight at least if there's oversupply and little demand clearly Fuel price would tank.

Not saying there should be limits in fuel selling, just honestly curious from a strategy point of view why they chose this path

[rotund forum]

Just to get this straight in my head; how is revenue created? Right now it will be like 95%-99% of buying fuel for OW runs and arena, no? Maybe some speed ups or cosmetics but that will be peanuts now. So the fact that revenue is dropping each day is because the fuelprices are dropping linear. Next week the bottom rail will be nill, so basically revenue will also come to a standstill - no more revdis, which in its turn will probably create less demand for ilv token and its price could drop further. I really wonder what the team will do to turn that situation around, if they can do anything about it at all.

[tardy falcon]

I think there was a miscalculation on the amount of daily active users expected to play at launch

[tardy falcon]

Backup plan to the backup plan to the other backup plan

[rigid aspen]

You have to understand that we are the ones in control of the supply of fuel. Is it better we sold 50% of our fuel, but at a reasonable price? Or we sell 100% of our fuel for nearly nothing. Selling 50% at a reasonable price is a far better option because we make more $$$.

And that's what we are here for, right? All we need is enough land holders to agree to sell at a certain price and no lower. My lower sell limit is .000001. I won't sell lower. It puts a Stage 3 run in overworld at less than $3 per run, and makes Stage 1 runs like $0.35. We can limit the supply to keep prices where they are at, but we will simply sell fuel a little slower than if we constantly undercut each other. Just got to work together.

[rotund forum]

The obvious solution is increase player base, but how? They already did airdrop but that only attracted the wrong crowds. They will probably do another fundraiser, and try to find big investors, but that is just for prolonging runway. We need players. How? That is where they really should focus their attention to now more than anything.

[upbeat drift]

max level is 201?

we can t level up after that?

[rotund forum]

I think to an extent you are right. The ideal thing would be if we could export the ledger information and get some kind of idea how much fuel is sold in total. And also how much is produced. Then we could get a grasp of what we´re looking at. Now you not selling is only going to mean some other guy selling in your place.

[rotund forum]

no. not until an expansion comes out probably. For the moment 201 is max level

[vapid jolt]

For players with more than 1 land, are you guys playing with all of them actively?

[midnight holly]

damn fuel cartel might already be a thing

[strange pivot]

There are close to 8k land holders, you are not able to communicate and collaborate to fix prices anyways. If you were opec, then sure. If everyone held back 50% ofc, but this will not be the case. Someone will free-ride and sell 100% at the higher price (as a result of you holding back) and be better off vs you. It is simple game theory. I also hope prices level off, but I hope this will be because of demand increase, not supply decrease (because I don’t think that will happen). production of fuel will probably more than double/triple over the coming weeks/months, once more land come online

[nova epoch]

Hey all. Have they calculated hours played for Pre-Season 1 yet? I played A LOT during that time and my dashboard still shows 0 hours played.

[tardy falcon]

is there a way to gather api data from fuel marketplace into a charting app? That way we can clearly see current price action?

[rigid aspen]

Of course someone will free ride--but they going to regret selling lower if they could have sold higher, potentially much higher if we can cordinate.

Yes, there are 8k land holders, but the vast majority of fuel being pumped out will be from T4 land, especially right now. Probably over 90% is.

[strange pivot]

Yeah right now I agree, mostly T4s online now. potentially they will regret it. If they otherwise were able to stack up millions of fuel. Do you know the max fuel storage cap?

[vapid jolt]

great point indeed

[midnight holly]

Could try to act coordinate to manipulate price but don"t excpect buyers to not act accordinly, just saying.

[rigid aspen]

You mean sellers?

[rotund forum]

exactly. But the thing is the 10% that are created by T1-3 will probably still be more than the current demand is. I am all for making a cartel. I think even the team (although probably favoring a free economy) would benefit nicely from higher fuel prices so as long as it doesn´t get abusively high I think they will look the other way and condone it.

[midnight holly]

buyers, And who's gonna buy your inflated fuel if we know price are manipulated

[rotund forum]

Not to exlude anyone of course but realistically I´d say T1-2 are mostly here for collecting blueprints (the emptiness of their plots kind of favors this) and play their OW runs for free.

[tardy falcon]

visual representation of crypton price action for the last 10 days

[midnight holly]

it will be even easier for buyers to step out as it will be the logical effect.

[rotund forum]

my first fuel sell was on the 2nd of august and it was 22 as well, so there it was still stable

[tardy falcon]

you were prob one of the first fuel producers then... less supply initially

[rigid aspen]

I mean that graph is not a very fair graph given the horizontal vs vertical distance drawn. But it does get the idea across. We have to decide its not worth sending fuel prices to $0. I'd rather expand storages and then burn the fuel off even if needed than send fuel $0.

[strange pivot]

Is the top rail fixed? Pegged to eth?

[tardy falcon]

$0 would mean free to play game 😄

[kind wave]

How do i use the fuel I mined in IZ in OW?

[rotund forum]

seems long ago now, I was hyped af on my first few bucks 🙈

[stoic rapids]

until you're able to identify and drone strike the landowners selling fuel below market, you're going to have better luck boosting demand than decreasing supply

[midnight holly]

we have a bottom rail sir, we are safu

[rigid aspen]

That's where fuel price is headed atm.... haha. Not that I think the dao would let it. They'll cut our fuel production in half and those of us with huge reserves will be able to sell at top rail again, if we are patient (my prediction eventually). Or at least, higher than it is now.

[tardy falcon]

bottom rail is 0

100% fluctiation possible

[rigid aspen]

We do not have bottom rail. I have been telling the team to make one over and over. Right now, land owners are the bottom rail. We must STOP SELLING BELOW 0.000001.

[midnight holly]

kind of yes, we have to pay to get the bonus right make it can"t be 0

[stoic rapids]

if they made a hard bottom rail we'd just have to dump 98% of our fuel

this problem has to be solved on the demand side

[rigid aspen]

No, if there is a bottom rail, fuel might stack up for a bit. But if we are stuck on bottom rail for more than a couple weeks, I think the IMC council would reduce overall production to balance fuel production vs price. Equalizing supply vs demand. It's in IIP-39.

They just need a bottom rail added to the system so the community knows what the IMC will target for price range.

[tardy falcon]

definitely... if fuel goes to 0 then it also affects the value of illuvials and all OW materials... cuz you could essentially get all of them for pennies

[midnight holly]

but still, if you guys think labs will not act before we get closer to 0 you might be wrong

[rigid aspen]

They will never be Pennies, as many of their rarity and value comes from how infrequently they spawn in the overworld--and their desirablity from many gamers wanting a single illuvial.

It's time

[stoic rapids]

they have to attract more players to OW/arena

[rotund forum]

they have 1 week till we reach zero. And a lot are on holiday as I understand so don´t be surprised if we actually do hit bottom

[stoic rapids]

artificially fixing fuel prices is useless

[radiant sky]

Some peoples time is sadly paid in pennies

[midnight holly]

1 week ow, might be math problem then

[stoic rapids]

if we start attracting more player interest when OW is effectively F2P that's better than sitting at fixed fuel price with minimal players

[tardy falcon]

maybe so

[stoic rapids]

I'm not sure we DO get a lot of player interest even if the game was F2P though 😬

[tardy falcon]

would be a good time to stock up on fuel

[stoic rapids]

OW is objectively not that fun

[rotund forum]

yes, but we´d be basically on dead row 😅

[stoic rapids]

arena is high friction to get into

[midnight holly]

and again we can"t reach 0 as thing work now. better call it pennies