🎮〕illuvium-zero

[warped valve]

are tier 0 land still available to try?

[narrow oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/do-it-gif-18266420

[timber sapphire]

Probably not, nothing announced AFAIK, maybe pb4 when they do testnet

[random siren]

We have never had teir 0 lands to try. But hopefully at launch we will

[warped valve]

Oh I thought we did my bad lol

[hearty cradle]

easiest way is to just airdrop the eth

[mortal mural]

like manually?!?!?!?

[hearty cradle]

u can use script

[radiant sky]

Maybe easiest, but almost ifnnot the worst Way from a player experience.

You airdrop fuel to many plots not deserving any fuel rev. Like:

• plots on lost wallets
• nft flippers who don't even play
• those who focus more on blueprints/dye's

You also reduce the advantage of a experience, skilled player who spends time to optimize his landplot and maximize the fuel output, with basically taking away some of his Profits and drop it to everyone just because the System is inbalanced and fuel hits top rail.

Just let it as it is 🙃

[hearty cradle]

the iip said based on weekly fuel sales, u can just airdrop it

im a bit confused here

oh i see

i thought ur asking about how to send the eth

[radiant sky]

or i was confused

or i am confused now

[hearty cradle]

[radiant sky]

https://tenor.com/view/it-is-what-it-is-shrug-will-smith-idk-eh-gif-16144939

[lavish narwhal]

Anyone here can help me with the order of construction of the structures in the Science tab?

[warped valve]

Do buildings and structures stay on land sales or every transfer wipes it clean? Will that change after public launch as well (other than the initial wipe with the release)?

[dry mango]

Currently, changes are not transferred after the sale, but in the public launch, all changes made will be transferred along with the land upon sale.

[amber atlas]

Structures transfer, resources and data (facts, biodata, blueprints) do not. Make sure you raise a sell order for your Fuel before you sell your land!

We might tweak that a bit as things evolve (for example I can't see any harm in transferring elements), but we wanted to avoid any shenanigans by starting with a very clear clean set of rules for what does and doesn't transfer.

Unlikely the biodata and in-game BPs would ever transfer... we want people who buy a plot to have a chance to get all the blueprints, but we also want to make sure they have to go through the scan and research process to avoid the aforementioned shenanigans.

[radiant sky]

Build Scanner to Scan for biodata
Build matlabs to research that biodata for blueprints and facts
Build data Bank or powerstation to increase the efficiency of the mat labs

[bitter phoenix]

Anything you can share about megacities?

[amber atlas]

They are the same as has already been shared. We can't share pretty pictures yet as we are still waiting for final art for the big space neeeded for megacities. (Render farm is pretty busy)

[bitter phoenix]

I’m super excited to see what they will look like

[amber atlas]

Maybe the guys can do something with tiling of current asssets to fill the gap in the meantime. Probbaly looks fine, if not perfect.

(we did discuss this a few weeks back, but I haven't seen if it has been done)

[tall bear]

do we know how much time we'll have to build our plots before OW release ?

[tall bear]

aren't we suppose to mint the fuel before selling it to people playing overworld ?

or will the dao provide 100% of it at launch and redistribute 5% of it to landowners based on their fuel sold ? that would mean that the first land owner to sell 1 fuel could potentially get 5% of total fuel sold up to his first sale ?

[radiant sky]

I think fuel gets automatically minted when you place a sell Order, but not sure how it will look like.

[radiant sky]

Yes

And no

I guess there will be a certain time before dropling the first revenue to landowners.
Might never be a continuously ongoing System... Maybe weekly or Bi weekly.
Idk

[warped valve]

if im reading this right... structures if made effeciently should theoritcally increase value of lands and raise floor prices upon launch as it saves future buyers time building (again if done effeciently).
and if im reading it right again... resources and data (facts, biodata, blueprints) will stay with the seller of the land or disappear/wipe/or go elsewhere?
When you say make sure you raise a sell order for fuel before selling - reason for it?

and the shenanigans talked about, what are the top 3 or 5 trying to prevent? and will the clear set of rules be said before launch, during, or after?

Thanks for everything btw!

[amber atlas]

I've got to head off but I'll try to remember to answer this when I get back.

[warped valve]

take care! and no worries, i'll remind you. im a nagger lol

[radiant sky]

• I guess there will be a certain value in the already built Buildings. It's time and ressources spent on them.
• Ressources and data will simply be wiped, they don't stay anywhere
• You are going to sell your Land, why wouldn't you sell all the fuel left before selling the Land?

I guess the top reason is for blueprint minting, especially the rare ones. So they can't be send to another wallet and minted again, send to Next wallet and minted again and again and again.... Until you have 500 rhamphire blueprints.

[warped valve]

thank you. How do blueprints work? you scan one time per land and thats it, or scan per x amount of time passed, or what and how to get blueprints from land? if there's a link to read i dont mind

[mortal mural]

Scanning gets you bio data, which you can research for blueprints . Scans takes x tiles of space to be efficient. You can have several scanners working at the same time. Same with research labs

One bio data may yield several different blueprints

In alpha we had 5 biodatas. Each of one could be researched into 3 different blueprint. 15 blueprints Toya was the amount for alpha

[warped valve]

is there a youtube video anywhere to show process? maybe im not understanding it fully. Is each plot of land limited to x amounts of blueprints in the entire existence, or can scanners scan bio data until the end of time and you can mint blueprints every 10, 20, 100 days?

[mortal mural]

Metaverse news 1 got quite a lot of videos of him building the lands. I watched them and also asked a lot here too

@rotund reef here is the guy from the channel I just shared in case you want to ask him directly

[mortal mural]

The x amount of blueprints was just the way alpha was staged

You can mint a research whatever quantity you want. So far as I know

Scans had like a 24hr and costed a lot of resources and fuel if I can recall correctly. You need to activate it. at the end of that timer you get a chance of finding a bio data I think I had to go through 5-10 scans to find my first one. But after my first scan I build like 4 more so the process of finding bio data was much faster due to scanning with 5 scans at the same time

Same goes with researching blueprint. You can research the same blueprint with several research labs at the same time

If you got a land to try I recommend watching that YT I shared. He got a lot of “tips and tricks” for better efficiency building.

@high sleet also has a lot of videos on land building efficiency and also what should you be looking at when buying a plot of land

[warped valve]

thank you for all the info, i will check them out and hope to learn some more. Thanks again

[high sleet]

I have made tings

[mortal mural]

Just kidding. @high sleet is my go to for illuvium info. Has a lot of original Content.

[high sleet]

Damn straight

Everyone else r just copies

https://tenor.com/view/spider-man-we-one-gif-18212100

🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣

[hearty cradle]

is it possible to see structure progress of the listed-for-sale plots?

[lavish narwhal]

Appreciate it 🙏🏼

[high sleet]

Soon after Open Beta the plan is to be able to see the entire map of plots and all their structures etc from the website. Aaron mentioned this in my AMA

[hearty cradle]

nice

[high sleet]

I say soon but we never know, either way thats the plan and supposedly an immediate goal after Open Beta

[amber atlas]

This, the WebGL client can work in a browser (obviously), it should be a small update to take away the interactive UI elements and let it view other peoples plots... but it hasn't been prioritised as yet.

[narrow oasis]

How many BPs are available at launch? Is there info on drop rates?

[young nacelle]

#🎮〕illuvium-zero message
15 BP

[timber sapphire]

I think he means in open beta

[narrow oasis]

Yes in open beta

[radiant sky]

Will it be ready for open beta?

[sudden zinc]

GM! Still nothing to do so far, when I have minted all my blueprints, correct? Thanks 🙏

[river ingot]

I was wondering the same

[warped valve]

Has anyone done the math on how much mega cities save you on fees, etc compared to separated plots of land? I know we have some spreadsheet folks in here. Would love to see

[timber sapphire]

Fees?

[radiant sky]

Fees for ress Transport are not known yet, so you can't calculate it.
Also the Feature itself has no date yet, besides "soon" after Beta launch

[timber sapphire]

Ress transport?

Oh sending resources from one land to other?

[radiant sky]

Transporting ressources between your own plots

[timber sapphire]

I see

[karmic drift]

Can we mint blueprints after this reset?

[timber sapphire]

That will be in open beta so yes, and fuel too

[polar cosmos]

Wen airdrop🫶

[timber sapphire]

Soon

[broken roost]

There is another?

[tall bear]

didn't we just get airdropped already ?

[timber sapphire]

Kieran talked about 2 more in the future, don't know if it's necessarily for land holders

[molten cave]

wen reeset?

[timber sapphire]

Soon

[mortal mural]

Open beta available on IOS?

[broken roost]

What the actual fk illuvium beyond gets blasts, battle boards, emotes, drones, suits AND weekly ilv???!?!!!

Without even playing what the hell dude

Sorry but my parents didn't teach me not to look at my neighbours bowl, I'm look alright, I'm looking and I'm feeling scammed

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[broken roost]

New websites look neat tho

[fathom burrow]

wasnt it that just land can create blueprints / skins?

[radiant sky]

Just Land can create blueprints.
Skins on the other Hand can also be created by Illuvium

[narrow oasis]

weekly ilv?

[timber sapphire]

beyond leaderboard

rewards

[narrow oasis]

right

[radiant sky]

Leaderboard rewards for top 100 Albums (most likely soon to be increased to more ranks)

[narrow oasis]

I read people wanting to push illuvitars as boosters in IZ 😖

[warped valve]

where do you see that?

[broken roost]

Why even have blueprints in the first place right?

[broken roost]

Click the beyond hub website in the last announcement

[tardy falcon]

It's not that Beyond gets too much... it's that Zero has gotten so little.

[radiant sky]

Don't think that will come.
Illuvitars Ar Fun quirky Comic Style pictures, you can't implement them in the serious scifi environment without decreasing the gaming experience imo.

The game draft Johnny did would actually be an ideal fit to increase illuvitars demand, some Fun quirky game....

[narrow oasis]

I have to admit seeing drone skins and suit skins sound a lot like BPs

[radiant sky]

Homepage -> Games -> beyond

[narrow oasis]

Yeah I just read it. It's not particularly my preference in terms of type of game but I could see it working with what they have already built.

[broken roost]

To think we got denied battle boards back then, now I can see why

[fathom burrow]

come on zero didnt get shit, they gave us pre fuel.. thats like the same if they release the zero game few weeks earlier and we would play to earn that fuel.. this beyond stuff idk..

[radiant sky]

Was already obvious back then 😄

[wispy prism]

Looking at your neighbors bowl is fine if you have the right context.
Beyond is what it is. Unless an IIP is made it won't increase in what it gets. Fairly minimal In Regards to what they spend.
IZ has not been activated yet in its full capacity.
Iz will be fueling the whole ecosystem and has already been rewarded twice.
There are 2 more airdrops coming one for the current players and a people who hold assets within the ecosystem. The other for playing the games.
Your bowl may soon be bigger than your neighbors.
Your frustrations are understood yet just hang tight.

[pearl marten]

That's why we argued BPs will be just something nice to have and not the monetary incentive we hoped ... and God knows how much money you have to put in until you get/find a rare blueprint (every research you try will cost fuel).. as long as they can create blueprints and give them out the vast majority of Blueprints will be almost worthless

[radiant sky]

Many many $ have to be spend for high Tier and Stage bp...

[pearl marten]

Amen to that!

[broken roost]

1. They got all of that without any iip so who needs them

2 iz fuels 5% of the ecosystem

3 we don't know anything about those airdrops yet

[broken roost]

Illuvitars were supposed to be something nice to have actually.

[pearl marten]

Yeah .. but it turns out in the end that blueprints will be just something nice to have 😄

[fathom burrow]

if they’ll start creating skins like that, probably true.. so they can decide at any point to create a rhamphyre skin if they want, no need for a blueprint?

[narrow oasis]

Do I understand this correctly? It means we will still be receiving 5% of revenue from drone skins, battle boards and suit skins without having to spend fuel for them (vs BPs where we own 100% of revenue but have to spend to get it).

[bitter phoenix]

Will many many $ be spent buying rare skins? 🧐

[radiant sky]

Illuvial skins a reserved for IZ for now, but can Change obviously any time.

[forest jetty]

and people actually call us crazy , left iz to dry

[pearl marten]

Yep ... we already have skins as rewards in Beyond .. so what's stopping to award a special Rhamphyre skin for a partnered event?

[radiant sky]

Who really knows.
Imo the illuvial skins are Like the normal Stuff, but illuvium could go wild with other skins. It's mostly the wild skins who Make money, Like for example a Supermann skin in fortnite, or some jedi light saber skin or whatever.

[pearl marten]

You don't get anything for the marketplace sales of skins (that aren't yours to sell of course) but yes you have to spend fuel for every attempt you make at researching a blueprint

[bitter phoenix]

Disk rewards skins will be super rare

[radiant sky]

For now, it's probably battleboard skins who Make the most money... Until there are more ways to Flex a Ranger/drone skin

[stray bronze]

Will there be another window to min the blueprints? And will it be applicable for Free Land as well?

[narrow oasis]

Yeah but I mean from the start, skins will come from Disks which are split 95/5

[pearl marten]

Doesn't matter ... what if we would say give land owners the ability to create/craft/build whatever Battleboards for Arena?? even if it would be very difficult(rare) do you think it would ever happen? they would dismiss this without even blinking

[narrow oasis]

Meaning if people spend, and spend, and spend opening Disks to get a battleboard skin, we will get 5% of that

[radiant sky]

Disk should cost fuel as soon as fuel is live.

You don't get 5% airdropped for just owning land

[pearl marten]

i would take the ability to leave the skin production to land owners over those 5% honestly

[radiant sky]

Have to sell fuel to get your cut

[bitter phoenix]

Battleboards are a sore point for me. Makes my eye twitch.

[pearl marten]

But for the sake of discussion now that people mentioned this issue .. what if lands would be able to craft/build/research Battleboards for Arena? @amber atlas do you think something like this would ever be possible?
Even if it would be expensive/difficult cost wise for someone to craft one

[forest jetty]

how would you feel about being able to catch illuviuals on your land? set traps/bait that way it provides value to land owners by saving fuel and selling illuvials or use them to make skins?

[narrow oasis]

Yes I know. Let's assume that. We as land owners will get 5% of the spent fuel to get the beyond skins, as opposed to getting full value of BP (for which we spent fuel to find... right?

[pearl marten]

i would be against it .. it would take out a specific perk that should be available in the OW

[amber atlas]

Lots of things are possible, the intent was not to stop what land can do at fuel and blueprints: that's just the line we are drawing for first release. I would expect over time Zero would contribute many things to many games.

[pearl marten]

Awesome! .. i'll hold you to this thought when we create an IIP about it 😄

[narrow oasis]

I think that finding battle boards and skins in Beyond doesn't match the game or theme of Beyond. I think it makes a lot more sense to be part of Zero or OW because that's where ''tangible'' items are from, like materials, elements, fuels.

In IZ, buildings are needed to scan and research to get Blueprints.
In Beyond you open a disk and poof there's an arena battle board?

Why do certain skins require some materials and process (akin to real life logic) and other skins don't? What's the logic?

It makes me confused that Illuviuals skins are from a game, and then drone skins are from another game

[wispy prism]

If you listen to Kieran explain it it is very clear who it covers only the amount is unknown.
Who got what without an IIP?
I hear you.
What is it you would like to see?

[wispy prism]

I'd definitely like to make drone skins. Is beyond the only way to customise your drone skin currently?

[broken roost]

Kieran also explained very clear that land was the only place where fuel could be created, and that very clearly also changed in iip39.
Beyond apparently got the ability to get all sorts of skins and things I mentioned before
I would like to have seen those same things in zero rather than beyond, also I would like to make sense of why even have blueprints exist when there are other ways to create skins out of thin air

[lost walrus]

No

[wispy prism]

What do you mean fuel is created elsewhere?

[broken roost]

Yup

Kieran also said zero would launch a couple of weeks after sale, here we are

[fathom burrow]

if they go wild with other skins.. looks like they will, if they already put this in beyond.. idk this sucks, kieran hyped with those BP and how just land owners can find those and then sell - that was my understanding, probably not right from my side then..

skins will be everywhere to get 🤷🏻‍♂️

[wispy prism]

My take is that it rewards a different part of the ecosystem. The whales investors and people willing to spend thousands on PFP.
The skins are different and limited. It benefits the whole ecosystem.
A lot of people here think in terms of us and them. Instead of yes and.. Illuvium is a whole, not separate factions fighting over who can get the most back.
Unless of course people would like to turn it into that.

[narrow oasis]

I understand and agree with that but it would be great if games are at least coherent in their themes.

Not sure why skins are being split in different games. Where one game has a logic of materials and process to make a creature skin. Another completely different game doesn't, like for a drone skin.

[wispy prism]

I think they are getting there.
It must be a difficult balance.
Iz and beyond were, in their current formats, not originally intended. They were largely community driven.
Rewards for beyond were community driven.
The community has a lot to be accountable for regarding the state of things as well. It's a fluid flux system. Which is different to the status quo however we keep mirroring real life. Sometimes sadly. One area fails to see the impact it has on another or even considers it before they push for it.
There have been a lot of unknowns. Yet what I find hopeful and why I continue to stay. Is that the team are open to re- iteration. Yet we have to start somewhere.

[radiant sky]

Beyond is more Kind of illuviums Way of selling cosmetics, not like the gamers of beyond are creating cosmetics. Most will be account bound if i remember right.

[wispy prism]

I think that's right, from what I remember too. Plus very hard to get, are they also tied to partnerships?

Perhaps getting that out in solid scope would be good as it has been done with land earnings.

[narrow oasis]

I just feel like we have cosmetics from IZ and cosmetics from Beyond, and they don't follow same logics. I feel like it's not the proper direction for an interoperable gaming ecosystem. Especially if you're trying to create a lore.

It's confusing.

[amber atlas]

Beyond is out of universe, Zero (and specifically Blueprints/Skinned Items) are in universe.

Beyond PFP is your chat avatar in discord and leaderboards, skinned items are the things your character wears in the game.

I think that distinction is very reasonable.

[narrow oasis]

I'm confused. Drone skins are from Beyond. Illuvials skins are from IZ. Aren't they both considered in universe?

[amber atlas]

I mean we can reward things in or out of game from anywhere.

I just meant there isn't much confusion that Beyond Illuvitars are things that exist in the Illuvium universe.

[radiant sky]

They are easy to get
Were in the stretchgoals, and also Partner Ship ones.
It's the Same thing as other Games do, right... 1 or 2 new skins every few months. So as soon as people get used to their skin and it is nothing special anymore, they offer to buy a completely new one

[amber atlas]

Rhamphyre doesn't wear sunglasses when flying around the Overworld.

[radiant sky]

It's not skins for illuvials, they are Made out of illuvials, but both, skins from bp's and from beyond are for Ranger and drones

[amber atlas]

The things that are generated inside of Zero via gameplay should probably remain as in game items. Suit skins, new weapons, maybe we do a FPS like game and you can make stim packs, etc.

Zero exists inside the universe.

But this doesn't prevent things like competitions or milestones also generating things of the same nature, as well as things that are out of universe ... a competition could award stim packs, or ILV or Fuel or a drone skin or a Beyond D1sk ... I raelly dont' think that is confusing.

[bitter phoenix]

I’m a little unclear on what exactly this will create. Can you please explain what the blueprint makes and where the item can be used?

[exotic ocean]

Is Zero live ?

From reading the news hub in the recent announcement I got the impression we r live.

[gentle grove]

Not yet

[exotic ocean]

Thnx

[radiant sky]

This is the blueprint of a proton vest stage 1 in TI-RU Style.
With this blueprint you have the knowledge to forge a skin in the overworld, as Long as you also own the Materials needed for the skin.
All Materials will be consumed during the crafting activity. (Not the blueprint)

You can equip that skin in overworld and should be Seen also in all other Games your Ranger shows up... Or you sell the skin.... Or the blueprint

[amber atlas]

Think of it like a crafting recipe, if you own that recipe you make the thing its for. In this case it makes a version of the Armour 'Proton Vest Stage 1' which looks like the Ti-Ru illuvial (it changes colours... later it might have some effects and model changes too)/

[bitter phoenix]

I understand that part. Where I get hazy is where is that item then able to be used. Arena as an armour card or in overworld as a cosmetic

[radiant sky]

No, you can equip it in overworld.
Your Ranger is still your Ranger, so itt will Look in all Games the Same.... Afaik

[forest jetty]

Yeh it's wild

[amber atlas]

The Item Proton Vest I is a wearable thing which has utility in Arena and Overworld. If you use the skinned version you will get the same item with a cosmetic override in Arena and Overworld.

[bitter phoenix]

So the armour cards in arena how will they be crafted?

[radiant sky]

Overworld

Need Materials (mostly ores) and solon

Weapons aswell

Augments not anymore i guess.
Will soon See that with new Games Mode of arena

[amber atlas]

Its the same NFT in Arena and Overworld, you just need to put in in your deck in team builder.

[bitter phoenix]

So if I craft a proton sash in overworld I can then skin it with bp and consumables, then I can wear it in overworld and arena. Will it be seen in card form in arena if not equip?

[narrow oasis]

Is that the difference with the Drone and Suit skins from Beyond? In the sense that it's a cosmetic and not a utility item, which is why it doesn't require the same logic (researching or crafting)?

[radiant sky]

Yes

[bitter phoenix]

Thanks. I finally get it. 🤪

[radiant sky]

Except for skin it with consumeables, never heared about that

Aaaah read wrong

[bitter phoenix]

It takes consumables to craft the skin I mean

[radiant sky]

Yes yes🙂

[bitter phoenix]

Thanks for the clarity.

[wispy prism]

If you have the money. I wasn't able to.

[radiant sky]

Well... i doubt bp skin will be much cheaper to be profitable, but we will see.

Andy getting a skin with beyond even has the bonus that you might make profit with buying your skin, if you were lucky with the disks you bought.
People love that gamble.

[narrow oasis]

Thanks for your answers, always 🙂

[wispy prism]

I have land so I'll chug away. At least I can aim to work the ecosystem.

[cerulean nest]

I just took a look at the ilz Web page and noticed it's still advertising being able to mint blueprints on conclusion of private alpha, that should probably be updated to avoid miscommunication.

[karmic drift]

Will there be another reset to beta? When yes, why we should play now?

[slim wigeon]

So did I understand in Arena it's a simple cosmetic or like a card to equip which will boost some things?

[radiant sky]

There will be at least 1 more reset right before open Beta.
Probably another one for testnet

[timber sapphire]

Why a reset before open beta?

Testing new building?

[radiant sky]

You apply the skin in the overworld to for example an armor you created or bought. This armor you then can equip as usual in Arena but it Looks different since you applied the skin to it.
Skins are and most likely will always be just cosmetics, they don't add stats, boosts or whatever.

[radiant sky]

So everyone starts AT the Same time when game launches. No advantages vs other people who just joined yesterday

[timber sapphire]

Yes I get that but you are saying a reset and another reset for testnet

[radiant sky]

I guess podarium will already be in testnet, but wasn't said from team

[radiant sky]

Yea, in pb4 everything should be connected.
Which means we are going into Beta build in IZ. I doubt they can or want to take over your Stuff from Alpha build.
Should be a clean Test and not some add this special and this special which could mess up Stuff.

[timber sapphire]

So reset for testnet and another reset for open beta?

[radiant sky]

For sure open Beta.
Testnet is just my guess

[iron veldt]

Dr. Spoon is a blessing for the zero community

[indigo coral]

I want everything as blinged out as possible

[slim wigeon]

I think even more when they add VFX down the line

[bitter phoenix]

https://tenor.com/view/kimetsu-no-yaiba-tengen-uzui-gif-6468688615302317274

[bitter phoenix]

Vfx will be so cool

[indigo coral]

I like that guy

[paper forge]

Whats vfx? New here. Trying to learn as much as possible

[radiant sky]

Google says:

[paper forge]

Aha tyty

[slim wigeon]

simply said it's effects comming from the armour like fire or ligthing

[narrow oasis]

Any info regarding Open Beta number of BPs and their drop rates?
Do BPs have diminishing drop rates? Has this been confirmed?

[radiant sky]

No
Yes
Yes

[narrow oasis]

Do you think we will have info at one point?

[radiant sky]

Not sure about the bonding curve Rates.
I know i have read in OW Chat that they wana keep droprates secret and we have to rely on empiric stats 3. Party Websites Like illuvidata will show

[narrow oasis]

Not sure why they'd want to keep drop rates secret aside from making it easy to manipulate and insider trading.

[radiant sky]

@amber atlas
Droprates of blueprints and biodata gona be published?
Will there be a reset before launch of testnet?
Is testnet open for all or just for people with access by Codes?

[bitter phoenix]

Yeh I love that guy too. Bit of a player though. 😂

[indigo coral]

He has only 3 wives, could learn a thing or two from @fierce hatch

[bitter phoenix]

You have some catching up to do.

[indigo coral]

True

[bitter phoenix]

Me too. 😂

[amber atlas]

Drop rates is something game design team handles, I'm not sure if they want to publish or not. I think so. @bitter glade ?

The beta runs on a totally different front and backend, so yes there will be a reset (I mean not technically a reset, its just a 'fresh start').

As far as I'm aware all products will be open for general public in testnet. (I'm 99% sure just leaving a slight doubt in case marketing changes something 😉 )

[mortal mural]

Has anyone come up with an idea about the free lands?

[cosmic badge]

since when t5 land has been minted? how much was the public auction prize ?

[teal mural]

It’s was minted but they didn’t sell it yet

[cosmic badge]

https://immutascan.io/address/0xc57651549ba961b929fe7c589e22ae75e075008d so is that a illuvium wallet ?

since it got both tier 5

[amber atlas]

Yes.

[hot bronze]

Hey fam, been a while - zero work on iOS yet?

[teal mural]

No still waiting on Apple

[fickle loom]

The free to play land, which tier is it?

[atomic cove]

how is there T5 landplots already minted?

the account 0xc57651549ba961b929fe7c589e22ae75e075008d minted those 2 plots and then withdrew them to L1

@amber atlas

[teal mural]

T2

[atomic cove]

rn I think it's equal to the highest landplot tier you have

[sudden zinc]

GM! Anything to do right now as land owner? I minted all my BP already…🙏

[radiant sky]

#🎮〕illuvium-zero message

[iron veldt]

Are the t5s for sale?

i can offer three fiddy

[radiant sky]

I guess you will know of they gona be for Sale 😄
Big announcements before that happens

[radiant sky]

I guess there are no more reasons to play right now

[mortal mural]

https://tenor.com/view/pawn-pawn-star-20bucks-the-best-i-can-do-the-best-i-can-do-is20bucks-gif-15253458

[iron veldt]

https://tenor.com/view/three-fitty-gif-1684909778489327763

[amber atlas]

They were minted as part of the initial sale as planned. The were going to be auctioned on L1 (normal auction not Dutch) as a YouTube event but it was decided to wait given the turn in the market.

Illuvium
https://illuvium.io › news › 51-illu...
51. Illuvium Land Sale Explained

I think that article has details of the original plan for T5.

[mortal mural]

how many fuel sites does that have?

[atomic cove]

12

[gritty wave]

checking to see if I got this right: with OB coming in the next few months all progress on the land is wiped out and starting back at a clean slate...is that correct?

[fathom burrow]

correct

[teal mural]

Yup

[gritty wave]

so right now the only reason to "play" zero is perhaps to get an airdrop for usage?

if you already know all the mechanics

[wooden hinge]

Just got another t2 land. Is it possible to mint blueprints from this one before the release in Q2?

[atomic cove]

not anymore

[radiant sky]

No

[wooden hinge]

Thought so, thanks guys

[wild token]

For someone like myself who doesn't check in that much....am I missing anything? I minted the 12 or 15 blue prints. Never know if there is a part of the game that I'm missing

[narrow oasis]

For now we wait until launch which is expected in Q2 2024

[cosmic spade]

good morning!
how is the progress with web gl or apple store version??
thanks in advance

[vivid cipher]

Webgl is planned to be live for open beta launch.

[hidden pagoda]

Can anyone tell me how much fuel T4 can produce in a day?

[radiant sky]

Gona be a Lot of changes impacting gameplay in it's core, which will Change Layouts and with that fuel outputs.
So no one really know what's going to be possible in beta

[vestal fable]

do you have an idea of ​​the official release date of Illuvium Zero?

[vivid cipher]

Sometime in q2. Same time as other games launching.

[mint geyser]

Can we still mint blueprints

[broken roost]

Nope

[spring jetty]

Q2 is in 2 weeks

[narrow oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/patience-lotr-gollum-smeagol-my-love-gif-27083523

[fickle goblet]

Or 14 weeks

[gentle grove]

They meant q2 2025

[quartz salmon]

I have some illuvium land and already minted my blueprints. Would now be a good time to transfer it to another wallet, before the new beta starts? I want to use another wallet going forward. Will I lose all my progress when I transfer it on IMX?

[young nacelle]

#🎮〕illuvium-zero message
#🎮〕illuvium-zero message

I think this might helps

[quartz salmon]

So I probably want to transfer it now, before they do the next wipe right?

I want to transfer wallets and accounts

[young nacelle]

I don't think that's good idea.....
might need @amber atlas confirm better. 👀

[random siren]

all progress will be wiped anyways before Open Beta so yes right now is a good time

there is no more benifit for people still playing ZERO

[quartz salmon]

Would love to get his confirmation

[glad relic]

Ola

[shy ledge]

Can I win some good money with my land?

[trim forge]

I did that after blueprint minting and it worked. You loose the progress, but it will get wiped anyway before open beta, though.

[timber sapphire]

https://tenor.com/view/illuvium-ilv-yield-farming-yield-farm-play2earn-gif-22827303

[lost walrus]

millions of fun

[bronze prairie]

If anyone is interested here. Selling T1 for 0.21eth

More in land dex

[narrow oasis]

I think if you change wallet you will also lose the Illuvial data that you gathered in order to get blueprints. After reset you would have to work to get these again.

I believe this data will be kept even after reset, if you retain the same wallet.

[brisk gale]

What if you are new and havent scanned for any blueprints? i just bought a land 2 weeks ago and was wondering if the blueprints can still be gotten from that

[timber sapphire]

So better to wait for open beta?

[radiant sky]

Blueprints can't be minted again in Alpha season 1.

However, it has been said that the Team tries to take over blueprint data and biodata into open beta. So if you Find those in Alpha season 1 and keep your Land in the Same wallet and linked to the Same Account, you might keep those data when we go into Beta.

[timber sapphire]

So if you already have the blueprints you can swap?

[narrow oasis]

If you really want or need to change wallet, not really. There is basically no ''better time''. Changing wallet now or when Beta launches doesn't change anything. You will still have to redo all the scanning progress you did.

Change wallet = lose biodata and blueprint data.
Keep same wallet = keep biodata and blueprint data, even after launch.

But like Dr.Spoon said, this is what the team is trying to get done. 🤷

[low river]

Can we play IZ on the Solana Cellphone?

[radiant sky]

If i got it right about solana phones, Android apps should work on them. So i guess yes.
But probably a better question to ask on their discord.
Like if all native Android apps are a ailable on their Store and if you can Run apk files (IZ should be native Android onnbeta launch if i remember right, but you never know.)

[polar cosmos]

Why you do not want to sell for 0,15e now?

[quartz salmon]

@amber atlas can you confirm that this is the plan?

[bronze prairie]

21 fix

[teal mural]

I’m so ready to start playing the game. Need something to do at work 🤣

[broken roost]

Same

[narrow oasis]

I don't want to assume anything, but your work seems very nice

[broken roost]

Im a lifeguard and season is ending so it's really chill. In January though the beach is crazy full, so much I can't even take a bathroom break so I pee in a bottle. That said, it's a cool job at least where I'm at.

[narrow oasis]

That's awesome man, hope when game launches you'll still be able to keep your eyes on the beach 😄

[broken roost]

I'll be done by then, untill next summer so plenty of time to play

[bitter phoenix]

Looks beautiful

[broken roost]

No announcements still 😓

[mortal mural]

Memo: do not accept apple juice from lifeguards

[slow flare]

Will more land be released, or are the plots on the marketplace the only ones available? I am trying to find out if now, or later: is the time to buy land plots.

[rotund forum]

Probably not anytime soon.

[teal mural]

12 hours shifts at the hospital is so boring 😖. IZ definitely needs to be a battle game so we can spend time playing our time away 🤣

[barren turtle]

From what I understand,
If Overworld and Arena become so popular, that the price stays at the high rail, and IZ fuel production cannot keep up with demand they will release more land. But that won’t be until after they have given the land owners ample time to develop their land and start pumping.

[spice crystal]

One thing I haven't seen much discussion on :

1. how will they balance the Fuels.

I mean the difference between travelling and upgrading and other activities.

There are 3 different materials. Looks like travelling Material will be more useful but we will know once PB4 Lands.

[ancient nacelle]

Good question. @amber atlas able to shed any light?

[amber atlas]

If you travel you get a bunch of stuff which you then will need to craft or empower to make useful, so at a very rough and very high level it is self balancing. Then we, during an initial balancing period, tweak costs to reflect what's actually happening. And then once its settled and we don't want to change costs we tweak activities (i.e. if no one is crafting we make something cooler that everyone wants to craft).

I'm not sure there's much more to it than that (other than the actual costs which will be obvious on launch, and the full modelling details which are not something that I imagine will be shared).

[barren turtle]

I would hope Rangers would need to use Krypton to power the jet pack as well, not just travel between districts, or else Krypton will be hard to sell!! Good question though! I’m glad these guys know what they’re doing.💪🏾💪🏾

[mortal mural]

I think market will self balance since you can convert fuels.

[bronze prairie]

I'm not satisfied

[polar cosmos]

wen airdrop

[timber sapphire]

Soon

[bronze prairie]

for what?

[native spade]

is Open Beta for IZ open?

[bronze prairie]

No

[vivid cipher]

No. It’s not even q2 yet. The games are planned to be launched sometime in q2 (April, May, or June; seems likely to be June rather than sooner)

[vivid cipher]

Surely one of the airdrops that Kieran mentioned in one of the recent AMAs. Basically, it’s an idea to have it be in-system engagement based. Play more, stake more, get more.

[safe crater]

Is there an incentivr to play zero right now? :)

[timber sapphire]

Fun

[forest jetty]

nope, but its rumored that those that played it anyways might recieve an air drop

[astral tapir]

Hi. Dormant land owned and staker here has woken from his slumber I have 2xT3 and 1xT1 plots. what have i missed and where do i start

[random siren]

you missed getting to mint your blueprints

nothing to do now on land execpt wait for Open Beta at end of Q2

[astral tapir]

So no point in generating fuel etc

[mortal mural]

Announcements are IMMINENT stay tuned

[random siren]

no, although there is rumor that more you play Zero, Ow, and Arena the more you get when the Airdrop comes around

[astral tapir]

oh dear. what airdrop 😬

[random siren]

2 different ones, 1st one is a thank you to the community ie stakers, land owers, beyond players, and beta players. then 2nd one is at launch of Open Beta its like a play to earn airdrop. fyi dont fall for scam emails or dms. always check here first

[lethal wyvern]

DMs are scams

Mods and Team members will never DM you.
Never trust advice or links received in DMs.

Beta access, giveaways, and promotions are not given out via DM. Scams are designed to trick you into installing malicious software to gain access to your wallet or to convince you to enter your seed phrase into a website. Never give your private key (12 to 24-word seed phrase) to anyone.

Support is not provided via DMs

Support is handled publicly, or in threads within the Illuvium Discord. People offering support via DM are scammers.

Please follow the instructions pinned in #report-scammers to report bad actors so we can remove them from the server.

[astral tapir]

ok thanks .. I’m really lost. Which game should i be playing. do i have to play through my wallet ? rather not.

[random siren]

play which you like playing, oh also there are rewards for the top 1000 players in Arena

not sure on the wallet thing

just make a wallet just for gaming

[astral tapir]

I have several wallets staking ILV and one wallet linked to land Won’t i need to link my play to land ?

[vivid cipher]

Basically, it’s an idea to have it be in-system engagement based. Play more, stake more, get more. Each wallet with X amount of action would get something I’d guess.

[fickle goblet]

KEEP YOUR EYES PEELED

[vivid cipher]

https://tenor.com/view/hamster-soon-coming-for-you-youre-dead-youre-mine-gif-5635612

[fickle goblet]

All I want are to see are the illuvium fuel tickers trending on dextools 😉

Ahh immutable nvm

[high sleet]

riperoni

[bold gate]

is there any way I can buy the yellow icon stuff to updrage my infra

[vivid cipher]

Not now. Because the game will be wiped before launch. But after launch you’ll be able to buy the speed ups.

[vast egret]

Is it worth buying Land atm? I've been a long term staker and am thinking of playing Zero. Any info about the different types of lands?

[vivid cipher]

Check these infographics #🎮〕illuvium-zero message

[rotund forum]

what I don´t really understand is why 3 different fuels; would make more sense to me to just have one and everything has its own price in that one fuel

[iron veldt]

People bought special fuel lands because they could be worth more

i just went into green fuel

[iron laurel]

Different fuels have different functions. It makes it a bit more challenging but I think it's also more realistic. Like in real life, you don't use cooking oil in your car. Maybe that's a bad analogy but it's the best I've got at the moment.😂

[spice crystal]

The problem I'll like to see tackled is how they'll generate demand for say upgrade fuel compared to travelling fuel and the other fuel.

I am curious and I think it'll be a challenge.

Let's wait though for open beta

[vivid cipher]

No one wants just stage 1 everything

[radiant sky]

It's actually pretty basic.
You have a supply of 1:1:1
You have a demand of lets say 4:2:1
So you make a cost multiplier for the activities 1:2:4

Obviously it isn't thaaaat easy, but you can Set the Base Like that and it is somewhat balanced.
Then you are able to bring in additional features if a fuel gets used too less constantly.

[hazy mango]

Question as its been a while since ive kept up to date but was a early investor. Are we going to be able to let someone run our land when its live?? I dont have time but would defo look at doing splits with someone to run it for me

[radiant sky]

The 1 big problem is probably getting balanced to balance changes of the Games.
For example if you Change balance and in a Deck of 28 cards were 20 illuvials and 8 Equipment and now you have 20 Equipment and 8 illuvials.
Stuff Like that can Make fuel super volatile short term

[mild ledge]

We have converters. If one fuel has a lot less demand and as a result, the price drops to lower than another fuel type, land owners can buy up the cheaper supply, convert it to the fuel type that's in demand and sell it. Simple arbitrage.

[radiant sky]

Don't think you will delete all lvl 6 converter, build new converters and mess up efficiency everytime a certain fuel gets lower than others.

[radiant sky]

There is currently no rental System implemented into the game

[hazy mango]

Is there a reset when we can start making fuel and selling it?

[radiant sky]

Yes, as soon as open Beta is launched in Q2 2024 according to roadmap

[hazy mango]

Okay ty

[mild ledge]

Why would you need to do that? Land owners as a group should be able to use existing capacity to convert between different fuel types in a way that keep prices relatively steady. Just follow basic economy principles.

[lavish narwhal]

Guys quick question, there are 3 Facts & Blueprints per Biodata right?

[radiant sky]

Converters are always working, not just if the converters fuel is low, because they generate more fuel than the activity costs

[radiant sky]

In Alpha season 1, yes

[lavish narwhal]

And what the total of Biodata we can get?

Thanks for the help

[radiant sky]

5

[lavish narwhal]

Appreciate it

[lavish narwhal]

Are we still able to mi t the blueprints?

Mint*

[radiant sky]

No, minting window is closed for this season

[mild ledge]

Converters will do the work that is more profitable. You'll see it in action when the game is live.

[lavish narwhal]

Got it

Is there a specific date for the end of this season?

[radiant sky]

Fuel needs to be totally out of balance until you stop a converters activity, we talking about 18x.... That's not gona happen, except Team Ducks it up totally

[radiant sky]

No, not really

[lavish narwhal]

Thanks

[mild ledge]

In which case, we don't have a problem to begin with. Either way, no big price differences should exist between fuel types.

[heady spoke]

Does f2p players can still earn fuel without land? And use in overworld?

[broken roost]

If this happens we riot

[vivid cipher]

That was not the plan

[heady spoke]

does f2p purely only for fun? no utility for overworld?

[vivid cipher]

That was the plan. It sounds like there may be something for f2p players coming though. Not exactly sure what that will be yet.

[teal mural]

Can’t wait till the next testing starts, hopefully In April

[split root]

freetoplay can only have one of each converter

can i have a update on what to expect going forward , last thing i did was mint my blueprints , when can we start collecting fuel for sale

[teal mural]

Most likely around the end of Q2

[split root]

So I don’t need to do anything till then lol

[timber sapphire]

No

[radiant sky]

No, f2p can have multiple of each. There is no such limit set.

But f2p doesn't produce fuel for the Illuvium economy anyways, so it has nothing to do with fuel balancing

[crimson plaza]

It would be nice to have a marketplace feature where you can trade lands for other lands. Kind of like an NHL trade, where you could do stuff like propose your tier 1 + some ilv for another tier 1. Or 3 tier 2 for a tier 3, stuff like that

It would make the land trade more actives, and people would try hard to get megacities.

[spice crystal]

It's easy to setup. Create a account in Illuvium.

Connect a new wallet . Transfer the land.

Give your person the account details.

[hazy mango]

Yea sounds reliable and trustworthy lol

[spice crystal]

They will generate a small portion of fuel.
Very small drips.

Plus they get to raid in future + they also have Play 2 Airdrop

[spice crystal]

Why what was the problem. It is same mechanic as Axie.

People did with 100s.

If you bought land 2 years ago . You already know how to do it.

[radiant sky]

F2p will not generate fuel

[tall crypt]

No possible. Need apraised lands for take fee.

[radiant sky]

Sorry, don't understand what you mean

[tall crypt]

While we wait for the final launch, our project is devalued. A project similar to Illuvium Arena called Apeiron has appeared. It will soon be 2 years since the public sale. We will continue waiting.

[tall crypt]

If I have a land tier 4 and exchange for 3 lans tier 3. How many ETH fee I need pay to Imutable and illuvium %5. Illuvium take 1000$ if apraised land in 20000$ and the seller will pay another 1000$.

With the system you propose it is very difficult to calculate the commission that Illuvium and ImmutableX will take.

[radiant sky]

What did i propose?
I'm sorry, i can't find any link to what i said with the f2p games.

[radiant sky]

It's not difficult at all to calculate, buyer pays 5% Fee of the total price.

[paper lance]

any fookin update?

[mortal mural]

https://tenor.com/view/what-are-you-guys-talking-about-butters-stotch-south-park-s13e12-the-f-word-gif-22862791

[paper lance]

oh.so this is auto chess type like arena?

[vivid cipher]

Apeiron appears to be a top down dungeon crawler. Purely pve. Might would be fun on mobile if they can ever port it.

[tall crypt]

You no understand. 20000$? 800? Who fixed price, if exchange lands without money. Must priorityzed give finished project or developed a marketplace for lands bundle .

[radiant sky]

Afaik bundle sales is a task for imx.

[tall crypt]

Then never success.There are two marketplace, IMX market, and illuvium.io. How transfer tokens in 2 layer? In tokenstrobe only. Why cannot transfer by IMX or illuvium.io? Because there are very poor developed.

[rotund forum]

this game looks very inferior in my opinion. Just played it a little but I don´t see this going anywhere

[vivid cipher]

ImmutableX is a network, the blockchain technology behind all imx marketplaces (tokentrove, IlluviDex , immutable marketplace,…).

As you are probably aware, ImmutableX does not charge gas fees for minting or for transferring using the network. This is ideal for games that use NFTs. However, there are fees collected when users sell their NFTs. Which as you are hopefully deducing is why nft for nft swapping is not a thing that ImmutableX has built into their platforms. Doing so would bypass their revenue model. Which is why if ever trustless nft for nft trading were to occur on ImmutableX network then there would likely have to be some way for ImmutableX to produce revenue by providing the service that users would be benefiting from (pay fees to swap NFTs).

[real ice]

Nexus max level what is ?

[true cypress]

Nexus lvl 9

[real ice]

i bought t4 land so if i max out do i get any airdrop for play and test ?or is only whose bought early days

[little moon]

This take is bad imo. Peeps are literally critiquing a game **in development **, in alpha development no less and saying it’s not going anywhere? Well, just check in again after the next update and compare progress instead of trying to play an incomplete game as a finished product.

[golden spoke]

Apeiron is pretty fun and super imbalanced. Started playing a week ago as a f2p to see if I should invest or not. PvP is decent but it seems like very few people actually play.

[paper lance]

well, there is a base builder game with pvp component just recently released.

[rotund forum]

Sorry to step on your toes my friend, that was not my intention. But someone compared this to illuvium, and then I must say it is not on the same level currently. But respect to all developers, it is a very competitive space

[feral spindle]

Thinking of buying some tier 2 land, mostly to get fuels and resources to play in the overworked. Looking forwards to catching, collecting and trading illuvial. Would land be a good purchase now for resources to play or better to purchase ilv or just pay for fuel as I play?

[random siren]

Hard to say ILV is definitely the better pure investment but if you are looking for a player investment land is great plus you can find blueprints to use in OW and Arena

[feral spindle]

Thank you.

[barren pike]

Probably a thousend times ask question .. where are we in ILVZ launch plans? Still in pre season? Does it make sense to play the game atm? Asking as a land owner

[random siren]

Zero will go live in Q2, playing now wont earn you anything atm and all progress will be lost but Kieran hinted that playing any Illuvium game atm might earn you a bigger share of the Airdrop that is planned. How much one might earn from playing atm is not known.

[barren pike]

thx for summing this up so fast 🙂 will look into engaging with the games. Altough i am currenlly lost in the news because of not being in community for like 4-5 Months because of personal reasons.

[random siren]

You missed out on your chance at minting blueprints you found on your land but they are for sale on the Illuvidex if u wanna grab some. You can also play Arena on Epic games and earn $ILV if you are in the top 1000

[barren pike]

Yeah .. nethter reached my plot to have a scanner so no problem with this.

Arnea felt little over complicated when I peaked into it .. but I am willing to give it now more of a chance

Did overworld progress lately . it looked sooo empty when I tried

[random siren]

Arena is coming out with a new game mode that hopefully the average person can pick up easier

[random siren]

We will have Illuvials in the OW in beta 4 coming very soon, this should help the emptiness

[random siren]

https://youtu.be/tE7OEdoamxA?si=OsKM4cmiA_4niFd8

[barren pike]

oh nice .. will have a look right after looking trough Gods Unchained Council meeting I am just listing too atm ... many things to get up to date one 🙂

[rain coyote]

When the season 1 will start?

[vivid cipher]

Alpha season 1 already happened. We now wait for the public game launch. Should be sometime in April, may, or June.

[real ice]

i bought t4 land so if i max out do i get any airdrop for play and test ?or is only whose bought early days

[visual summit]

My T4 land is on floor for 3 weeks now. Crazy interest in ILV zero 😄

[radiant sky]

No Info confirmed for future airdrops yet

[radiant sky]

Volume is definetly low, and if Land gets bought is mostly low Tiers.

[golden spoke]

Do you know if you will be able to find multiples of the same blueprint once the game goes live?

[radiant sky]

You can Find the data only once and you can mint it only once afaik

[bronze prairie]

0

bcs team focus only on illuvium arena 🙂

[radiant sky]

I guess they focus on many things, not just arena

[golden spoke]

So then how do rare blueprint drops work? Will you need to find a bunch of less rare blueprints to remove them from the drop chance pool? This seems very different from what was originally talked about.

[radiant sky]

You don't "need" to find common ones first, your odds just get slightly increased if you did Find some common ones before

You sure? i feel that was always the plan.

[vestal fable]

What is the price of a blueprint?

[vivid cipher]

I’ll try to check

Looks like $3.03 https://illuvidex.illuvium.io/zero/blueprints

[vast egret]

What is the purpose of the blue prints? Would they be required in the future?

[lethal valley]

im assuming no one asked this question in a while... so

https://tenor.com/view/when-wen-naru-yummi-yummi-universe-gif-23030317

[frozen finch]

Cosmetics

[drifting wyvern]

Will my lands be reset on Open Beta or will I keep my town as is?

[random siren]

reset

[drifting wyvern]

Damn.. Again

[hollow shoal]

After that it’s all building and never stopping.

[rotund reef]

Part of me is dreading the day when I have to find a way to shoehorn Illuvium, and Cornucopias, and their respective content creation into an already busy day. So I'm usually one of the only people who's totally cool with delays.

[humble stream]

I got the blueprints a while back, is there anything else to do for zero right now? Have been a bit out of the loop

[random siren]

nope

[humble stream]

ok thanks

[fickle goblet]

Lol you guys see how crazy people are with Crypto Valleys? IZ will be a pleasant surprise

[random siren]

I've never heard of it

[jagged brook]

Guys help remind me…what’s a pegmatite swam?

[vivid cipher]

I’m pretty sure they are Some of the Morphopods from overworld. You can collect them in the overworld and the idea is that you’ll be able to use them to as like plant fertilizer on zero.

[dreamy mist]

I think a Landmark to Boost your Hydro Production

[radiant sky]

It's a landmark to boost your hyperion production

[jagged brook]

Nice! sounds super cool

[jagged brook]

🙏

[thorn otter]

yeah ive been in that since the beginning doing super well. IMO something for the team to study for IZ, only downside is its done so well that its outpriced too many people. But still worth looking at

[radiant sky]

What mechanic is so good you want to See in IZ?

[thorn otter]

I like the way IZ is and enjoyed playing the beta, looking forward for it to come out. Im no tokenomics expert, but every whale I know who plays CV, is invested in bigly because of the tokenomics and the issues it fixed with Defi Kingdoms. I am just saying if they havent already, this is a great case study for IZ, because in both DFK and CV you are seeing people really get into it, and the economy reflects that. Ofc IZ could be better we cant say, but its always good to look at data and consider it in your existing models. I merely point out the CV has a lot of interesting mechanics, features and tokenomics considerations with the proof of concept actually playing out while its being played.
In terms of longevity, would need to see over time how it plays out but again.... a case study for the team at the very least imo. That being said looking forward to IZ irrespective, just thought it might be helpful as @fickle goblet first pointed out, im just doubling down on that as someone whos really into CV thats all

[radiant sky]

So it's not really a specific feature more the economy overall you like?

[thorn otter]

yeah, the RNG aspect of farming, NPCs like the Sage and daily chests earning yield, farming burning yield etc, (yield:xyield)Bank deposit interest, leveling up burning... doing all that while ensuring minimal inflation.... theres lots to it... but IZ is probably fine as it is, again something to look at for inspiration potentially.

[narrow oasis]

Any info on BPs diminishing drop rates?

[narrow oasis]

Does that mean there can only be less than 100k of each BP? (assuming there's 100k lands)

[radiant sky]

Afaik no.
Bio + blueprintdata gets wiped with a Transfer, so you could actually mint, sell it and the new owner could work his Way up to collect the Same bp you already minted.
AT least that's how i understood it from old info

[narrow oasis]

So it incentivize transferring wallet and re-grinding it? Isn't it a bit weird?

At least the wallet xfer part

[radiant sky]

Not at all. This Stuff is hard to get, facts also get wiped.
You most likely already need to be insanely lucky to even get 1 of those high Tier+Stage blueprint, you don't want to let all the Stuff being wiped with a almost 0 Chance to get it again.

[narrow oasis]

I'm confused, I thought you said you can find data and mint only once. How do you get it again then?

[radiant sky]

If you Transfer wallet
Lets say you want to Farm worthless t1s1 blueprints. You Farm them, as soon as you got them you Transfer Land, your science Progress gets wiped and Farm them again.

[narrow oasis]

but I want to farm higher tiers ofc 😄

[radiant sky]

Yea, than you better not Transfer your Land 😄

[narrow oasis]

so I grind hard to find them and then? let's imagine I'm very efficient and super lucky and find them all, what then?

I found and minted one of each. How can I get more?

[radiant sky]

Transfer your Land and start over again.

[narrow oasis]

So that's my point, in a sense wiping is incentivized

[radiant sky]

But you won't be able to do it probably because you get banned over and over for cheating 😛

[radiant sky]

No, you can't be as efficient... Not possible ser

[narrow oasis]

I'm not saying I am 😄

but I'm sure others will be + luck

and time

[radiant sky]

Your incentivizing Transfer wallet Scenario doesn't work because of the droprates and bonding curve

[radiant sky]

No, nobody will be

[narrow oasis]

I guess it depends on drop rates numbers which hasn't be published.
If BP X is extremely rare and worth a huge amount, and I get it, and I already have 3/4 of all the other less rarer ones. Maybe it will be worth it to wipe just to get a shot again at that 1 still extremely rare plus all the other ones I already minted but can't get again.

I'm just theorizing with the current mechanic but without the numbers of drop rate and bonding curve

[radiant sky]

No it won't.
But for sure good for all other BP farmer if there are people thinking like that 😄

[narrow oasis]

I honestly don't understand how you can confidently say that without the numbers

If it's possible to find all the BPs and mint them all once, but only once. That account has an incentive to start again.

[radiant sky]

If it's possible to Find all the bp's even high Tiers, they will be worth shit.
An asset you as a developper wana have expensive, you need to Make low droprates, so almost nobody will Find them.
It was communicated over the last 2 years that high Tier BP will be so rare, some might even be never found from anyone

And you also have the bonding curve hitting in. Which Make every bp found Harder to get for everyone else

Like i don't know the numbers, but the direction they wanted to go was mentioned over and over again

Doesn't mean they couldn't Change, right... Maybe they changed their mind and wana make them super common and we all get many worthless blueprints 😂

[abstract dock]

Any news when Zero will go live and we get too keep what we find?

[narrow oasis]

Somewen in Q2

[paper lance]

yay new series a funding to fund other games

when will they drop zero

[fathom burrow]

they dont like us 🥲

[strong hinge]

What is the use of airdropped fuel tanks?

[crimson plaza]

Ethlizard or 2t🤔

[vivid cipher]

Nothing yet. But they’ll be able to be exchanged for an amount of fuel that’s equal to the usd value displayed in the nft once fuel tokens are a thing.

[strong hinge]

Are there any new gameplay updates about land in the future? What are your future plans?

[vivid cipher]

I’m just a community moderator. I’m not on the team.

No new gameplay updates.

One idea is for there to be RTS style gameplay added to zero.

[strong hinge]

OK, thanks

[strong hinge]

Will you continue to scan blueprints in the future? If so, when will it start?

[vivid cipher]

I assume you mean when can you play and mint blueprints. (You can get blueprints in game now, but just for testing purposes since the progress will be wiped when the games launch)

When the games launch. Sometime April, may, or June.

[high sleet]

Evony style PvP systems are being considered, supposedly available at Open Beta? Besides that likely nothing else

[narrow oasis]

For Open Beta? Really? I doubt it.

[high sleet]

They kept talking about PvP being added before its release, but I may be confusing things

[narrow oasis]

They definitely won't be adding that between PB4 and Open Beta. And PB4 is only in a month. A PvP game seems like a heavy workload for that timeframe. Pretty sure they're just polishing and testing what they have at this point.

At least I hope so.

[high sleet]

I mean we havent seen any 'new' features for Illuvium Zero. I am under the assumption they've been working on things like PvP for 6+ months at least

[narrow oasis]

I don't know maybe, I assumed they were working mostly on OW.

[lost walrus]

Illuvium Beta 4: All You Need to Know (except for land holders, reading the doc now)

[velvet hornet]

no info about illuvium zero on the new roadmap?! what a pitty…

[polar cosmos]

We even dont get promised airdrop lol 😵‍💫😅

[ocean haven]

ser you only paid 1000s of $, this is not an investment but a mobile game

[polar cosmos]

As kieran said: its game for investors

[dreamy cipher]

will ilv zero be included in the q2 testnet and mainnet roadmap?

[sweet vortex]

I hopeee

[upbeat drift]

i don t see on the roadmap anything about ilv zero

when do we start playing for real?

[placid finch]

What about zero?

[radiant sky]

Zero follows the Same roadmap i guess

Pb4 has the full gameplay loop, which includes Zero

[placid finch]

Is this confirmed. I’m actually disappointed on how they won’t even mention zero by name. Have they given up on this project that it isn’t even worthy of a mention?

[radiant sky]

I have the same stuff to read as you do.

Like there is no game talked about specifically.
But it is mentioned that they wana test core features.
Testing fuelpool i would consider a crucial core Feature to test

[radiant sky]

OK, Zero probably not included in pb4
Asked kieran 2x in #💬〕general while all other questions got answered, i never got one.

[placid finch]

This is bad

[bitter phoenix]

Hmmm

[ancient lily]

Excited about the roadmap however, I cant help but to be disappointed at the fact that there is nothing set for ILV Zero.
Feels like we've been waiting forever :/

[grave island]

#💬〕general message

This heavily implied all land owners are included.

[radiant sky]

Why?

This question got asked for pb3 and pb2 aswell many Times... Zero was never Part of them

[grave island]

Cause zero is part of the full gameplay loop. They wont say full gameplay unless zero is included on this buy and sell orders of fuels.

[dreamy cipher]

yes i think zero is included in testnet. otherwise how will they test the buy and sell of fuel before mainnet.

[ancient lily]

Idk I feel like that is something they would have mentioned given how little they've talked about Zero

any positive thing I feel like it would have been mentioned for sure

[radiant sky]

Yea, thought that too.

[ancient lily]

Have they said anything about when revenue distribution for Landholders would begin?

or if it even will?

[radiant sky]

Open Beta mainnet

[leaden sun]

its supposed to be from day 1 as the dao will initially produce the fuel and that gets distributed to land holders

[radiant sky]

But it's not revdis... You get what you sell

[ancient lily]

so June?

-ish

[radiant sky]

Hopefully

It's a very ambitous new roadmap

[young nacelle]

@radiant sky
which three games? 👀
from here: https://illuvium.io/news/illuvium-beta-4-all-you-need-to-know

[ancient lily]

Kiren was playing with the idea of offering rev share from free to play players but Idk what that means because they are not spending any money to play.

(it's also up in the air because he said he was thinking about it so it may not happen at all)

[radiant sky]

Idk... There's 4 Games listed in the Homepage
But a good guess could be Arena, OW and IZ since beyond doesn't need to be tested

[dreamy cipher]

[grave island]

i think it wont come asap, Open beta is June, they dont have time to implement something like that.

They could earn through this ILV bounty thing.

[young nacelle]

I see.
probably typo or something.
should we tag upper level?
your call. 😅

[ancient lily]

yeah you are probably right, I might just sell all my land plots except 1 just in case.
I dont really see much upsides holding land in such bullish market conditions tbh.

[radiant sky]

There's soon more Info coming which probably answers lots of questions. But you are free to Tag anyone you Like 🙂

[grave island]

they also timed this 6 months thing, December will probably at the end of bull market.

[ancient lily]

I'm not sure what you mean by this

[grave island]

Same XDD, just a random thought. Either way imo we have time to sell before they dilute the fuels with botters.

[wheat onyx]

Feeling the same -- I have 2 lands that have the exact same Illuvitars. Is there any reason to keep the lesser of the 2 as it is stage 1?

[wheat onyx]

hmmm think I am answering my own question with my message above -- Had a similar feeling

[gritty wave]

so how many wipes of zero before open beta? pb? ptestnet? then obmain? three more...not that it matter much but be good to know...and yeah, we better be getting airdrops for playing a game with no other benefits and getting it wiped 😉

[silk comet]

Wait there is no zero open beta in roadmap?

[ancient lily]

nope

https://tenor.com/view/sad-gif-7523306793289960933

[radiant sky]

My guess is:

• Pb4 probably not
• testnet probably yes
• mainnet probably yes

[gritty wave]

so two more wipes?

actually think this is a good time to be back in land

be nice if we can generate fuel and keep it before ob

but doesn't sound like it

[silk comet]

Wait i thought there would be just one more wipe?

[broken roost]

I really wish landowners get a bonus chance of playing pb4

Specially those who spent time playing zero, and those who are called Simon why not..

[teal mural]

You thank we will get a drop for playing iz testnet?

[random siren]

playing any Illuvium games earns you points to get a bigger airdrop

also owning land will earn you points for the airdrop

[radiant sky]

Owning Land earns points? 👀

[teal mural]

Sounds good to me

[random siren]

I shouldn't have sounded so for sure but I would imagine so, I mean they should be doing everything they can to reward Zero investors

[bitter phoenix]

A bit frustrating that zero isn’t specifically mentioned

[random siren]

would be a good townhall question

[radiant sky]

As Ani said, council wasn't aware of any other airdrop related to owning Land when the fuel crate drop happened

[unborn pendant]

Question, when mainnet comes will we have to restart our land plots from zero?

Zero meaning from scratch

[random siren]

yes

[sage bough]

PB4 reads like there are some Zero elements to it.

This phase is crucial, as it's our chance to refine features and provide more polish. The features included are passport integration, asset minting, Illuvidex trading, fuel purchasing, and travel mechanics on Testnet. It's about ironing out major kinks for a smooth ride into Open Beta,

[unborn pendant]

Thx my brother ❤️

[polar cosmos]

Whats the diffrence between selling now crates fuel from airdrop and selling them after game start?

[broken roost]

Not really

Only 1 related is fuel and that can be just given away

[random siren]

you will probably get more for them after game start

but i just checked the market, and fuel crates are selling close to their value now

[teal mural]

I wonder if we need to play all 3 to max out our points

[lavish bay]

a T4, T2 and 7x T1 megacity, how will the fuel increase work?

What is the difference between production and landmark boost?

[random siren]

not many details are known on this

we have a townhall coming up though were community can ask questions

[hearty cradle]

if fuel price is below the max price after the game start, you could get less fuel with the same amount of money

because fuel crates are redemeed at max price

[haughty kernel]

Hi guys, do you expect more value from a floor T3 land or from a combination of T1 & T2 for similar Eth amount?

[modern egret]

Hello. How Pre-Registration. Open beta test ???

[bronze prairie]

its only for Illuvium Overworld

[mortal mural]

Are meaning to buy a t3 or a t2 and t1 option?

[timber sapphire]

Pb4 is for all games?

[slim wigeon]

I think t1 and t2 will be more liquid and easier to flip when you want to sell

[timber sapphire]

But it's more work to maintain 2 lands

[slim wigeon]

No team members commented on that yet and avoided the question so I think no or it could be that they are still trying to make it happen

[bronze prairie]

no

[timber sapphire]

Why wouldn't they test zero? That doesn't make any sense

[slim wigeon]

Maybe only after the first phase.

Hope we see some upgrades for IZ and less clicking 😁

[timber sapphire]

Also no info on t5 land sale as well. Hope that's soon too

[little moon]

I would say T3 by a reasonable margin vs just 1 T2 and 1 T1 if those are equal in cost.

[haughty kernel]

Thanks guys, makes sense

[hollow shoal]

What’s the max fuel a site can produce a day?

Like as in one fuel resource

[narrow oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/ares-god-of-war-xwp-xena-warrior-princess-kevin-tod-smith-gif-19637039

[hollow shoal]

I never got to max is all, just curious.

[narrow oasis]

I believe the numbers are not out yet, as in balanced for the on-chain game. We'll have to wait for launch

[vivid cipher]

Dr.spoon made this based on alpha data

[hollow shoal]

Ooo this is amazing. Thank you

[vivid cipher]

@radiant sky

[misty nest]

Is all excited!!! Got my very first land today! ✨

[mortal mural]

https://tenor.com/view/wolf-of-wall-street-one-of-us-leonardo-di-caprio-gif-7622766

[misty nest]

💖 💖 💖 💖 💖

[long grove]

guys ive been out for a while, Any exciting or good news for land owners aside from the fuel drop they did a couple weeks ago?

@broken roost what a usefull info. keep up the good spirit 😉

[broken roost]

Sorry my spirit has been crushed with no news for so long now

[hollow shoal]

Welcome! Ask us anything.

[misty nest]

Thank you.

[rotund reef]

Did the land owner forum go away, or do I need to re-identify myself again?

[nimble lichen]

I guess you need to reauthenticate

[rotund reef]

Is it #🎫〕verify-asset ?

[nimble lichen]

yeah, assuming your land is in the same wallet… your ILV is validated

[rotund reef]

Sweet thanks. Second time this has happened in a few months.

[nimble lichen]

now you can post sad gif with everyone else lol

[rotund reef]

I will not, LOL!! I'm a patient one

[nimble lichen]

it’s a great quality

[long grove]

oh yeah i dont blame you buddy, i def feel land owners got kinda rugged and set aside. thought after 2 years we would get something better than a 15usd drop .....

[rotund forum]

any idea if private beta 4 (30th of april till 28th of may) includes Illuvium Zero or is it focussed on overworld? I can´t seem to read that anywhere clearly.

Or will IZ stay the same until testnet open beta or even until the actual open beta (around 3 months from now)?

[random siren]

Kieran said in an interview that Zero backend dev stuff got changed and most likely wont be ready till OB launch so no PB4 for Zero. At least that was my understanding. This was from the Artemis interview

[iron laurel]

Which region did you get?

[rotund forum]

ok thanks.

[hearty cradle]

yes

[dreamy cipher]

They will probably include in zero during testnet. Unless they wanna go to mainnet w/o testing fuel sale hahaha

[hearty cradle]

u can buy dao's fuel

and landowners were airdropped fuel

[dreamy cipher]

Yes but how about bugs in zero fuel gameplay. If they dont test someone can find bug and produce xxx amount of fuel

[hearty cradle]

yea

[narrow oasis]

They just might test everything except ILZ, airdrop fuel, and at one point later in the future, they will test ILZ 😄

[dreamy cipher]

Its fine if they dont. I dont have land. Going to play iluvium as a F2P. Want to test all the games prior to open release.

[narrow oasis]

or by the time it's time to test ILZ it will be bear cycle already and they will decide to change everything to add PvP

[simple spindle]

Just so I understand, will we be able to keep anything that we generate through ILZ or will everything be reset?

[radiant sky]

Wow just listened to that latest ama of kieran.

• IZ tightest Deadline
• probably not ready for open Beta mainnet
• airdrop fuel based on tier

Actually a bit surprised IZ got so much behind and it might actually not even be ready for open Beta, when there were talks Long time ago to release IZ earlier than the other Games for ramping up fuel production.

Is this airdrop based on Tier the new way to go? Is there an iccp coming changing it from based on weekly sales to just airdrop based on tier?

Is there no IZ included in the airdrop marketing from pb4 - mainnet?
@amber atlas

[radiant sky]

Everything will be wiped, except maybe for biodata and blueprint data if you found it and your Land keep staying in the Same wallet linked to the Same Account.

[narrow oasis]

I'm also confused why IZ would be delayed. I mean we haven't seen anything new for many months. Is it because they're pushing in a bunch of new features?

[radiant sky]

Code refactor he said... Sounds Like to optimize Performance.

[narrow oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/rick-grimes-gif-21585167

[glad relic]

😦

[simple spindle]

Is there another land sale scheduled?

[radiant sky]

Yea it's weird... Especially when remembering the techupdates they did for a month or two and mentioning over and over they just working on the Base Code architecture, they decided now to rebuild.

Don't know what to think about the "Progress" IZ actually made

Like most of the Stuff built for IZ the last 12 months got binned, except maybe some changes in the mechanics Like efficiency pathing and mc's?

[timber sapphire]

I can still hear Kieran say 4-6 weeks after landsale we can play

[radiant sky]

Not yet

[timber sapphire]

I could have so much more ilv now

[radiant sky]

Totally

[timber sapphire]

But I committed too much now im gonna stick with it

[radiant sky]

Thought that for too Long, so have to now, right 😅
Potential ilv yield gone anyways, prices of land super low. Would be worst point in time to swap

[timber sapphire]

Meh I could still sell with profit, but little

[pearl marten]

Might have something to do with F2P plots/implementation etc

[radiant sky]

Maybe, but having f2p plots is known since almost landsale, so that work was already calculated in.

[simple spindle]

are land prices lower now than at the land sale?

[timber sapphire]

Depends if you paid with eth or silv2

[radiant sky]

Might be helpfull if you are new

#🎮〕illuvium-zero message

[radiant sky]

And what Tier you bought

[simple spindle]

at this point, would you invest in ILV tokens or land?

[narrow oasis]

Land has been a terrible investment, especially compared to other performing cryptos

[simple spindle]

hahaha! yeah, i can see that

[narrow oasis]

and still no near-finished or fun game also

[timber sapphire]

Land is gonna be useless for at least a few months. I'd say token so you can get a little yield now but especially the revdis later. But that's just my opinion. If you like the landgame and a long term investment you can get land

[simple spindle]

Thanks for the info!

[polar cosmos]

wen airdrop

[timber sapphire]

Imminent

[polar cosmos]

im asking about IZ only, im not interested in OW

[radiant sky]

Nothing known about another IZ only airdrop

[polar cosmos]

another promises...

I hope it won't be like that this time

[timber sapphire]

Like what?

[polar cosmos]

that they promise and then nothing comes of it

Let's hope that this time it won't be the case with illuvium zero and the drop will appear...

[radiant sky]

There was a drop already.
If ibremember right, additional airdrops were just speculation from community

[timber sapphire]

When did they promise something that didn't come?

[polar cosmos]

maybe start the game xD nvm

[bitter phoenix]

T3 10 lvls per hour ish. Gosh I’m liking it.

[timber sapphire]

It's coming, didn't you see announcements? It's delayed yes but not gone

[polar cosmos]

i think its not speculation from community only, there have been many words from Kieran and other creators, either on X or here on discord

[radiant sky]

Not specifically to an additional IZ-only airdrop

Maybe from some creators, possible... But as i said, speculation from community

[polar cosmos]

thats why im asking about this airdrop

because I see that the topic has died down

[radiant sky]

Yea that got changed up by council to the airdrop we had.

[bitter phoenix]

Huh?

[polar cosmos]

what? ;\

where?

wtf

[radiant sky]

What do you mean where?
There was no formal iip

[polar cosmos]

lol, so I'm right, more promises that mean nothing.

[misty nest]

Went with Abyssal Basin, was the best t1 in my price range for optimising scanners and the like. ✨

[bitter phoenix]

Mushroom 🍄 paradise is the place to be

[radiant sky]

#🎮〕illuvium-zero message

#🎮〕illuvium-zero message

They just announced the airdrop for playing PB4- mainnet.
I guess if they planned to do other airdrops they would have done that before that.
Don't expect any additional airdrops before those End somewhere 5 months into open Beta.

Just my opinion tho

[cerulean steppe]

Kieran also mentioned an airdrop for longterm land holders, traders on IlluviDex etc. in Artemis interview.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t569d3xj6xc

[radiant sky]

Was the plan for the airdrop IZ got aswell, why would council decide to make it different for that one?

And you probably gona hear " IZ already got it, now we airdrop to the Rest of the ecosystem, Like beyond Players, stakers, etc"

[cerulean steppe]

No, listen to the first few minutes.

[radiant sky]

Yea... I heared that before 😂

Johnny said time of Holding Matters, Nick said it i think there was another Team dude aswell... Yet council decided in the End and choose to not make it time based, the reasons they mentioned aply to staking, buying illuvitars etc aswell.

[polar cosmos]

We have many inaccuracies, which is why we have false promises...

it would be nice if @amber atlas or @noble quest could comment on this here

[cerulean steppe]

I am not sure what we are discussing at the moment. Kieran said there will be an airdrop for anyone who has been with us so far. How they calculate it I don‘t know, but there will be one and it is different from the fuel crates.

[polar cosmos]

true

[misty nest]

I do have a question... is there a way to mash the lands together for the megacities atm (in the demo mode)?

[rotund forum]

no, not yet

[gritty wave]

I'd do land....I think it could double (T1) by open beta and doubt the token will plus you get airdrops coming

[narrow oasis]

Kind of crazy to me that they raised 72m 2 years ago through land sale but as of latest PB4/OB announcements, IZ doesn't have a mention of launching alongside other games in the coming months. Do they not have a sense of dev. priority, or respect for certain early investors?

On top of that they're celebrating 12m from VC, saying: ''This funding will give us runway to deliver even more games and experiences for our players.''

Can we start maybe by, or at least focus on giving land holders what was marketed during the sale? ''Landowners can generate a residual income by playing a fun game that rewards them for their time.''

[cerulean steppe]

I think they underestimated what it takes to develop a mobile blockchain game.

At this point I would rather have them take the time and develop a good base architecture and foundation for new features e.g. F2P and just pay us landholders the 5% from all in-game revenue until Zero is ready.

[swift nexus]

Can someone help me to understand it please? So it means at 100%, a Tier 4 would get 72 fuels per day? (60 from Fuel extractor + 12 from fuel converter passive) Would it be fuels per day? Making an assumption of $1 per fuel, it would be $72 per day under this conditions that i said, is this correct?

[narrow oasis]

Imagine giving that excuse to VC investors. We don't even get that statement from them and forget about an apology. The 5% of revenue should not even be in question smh

[slim wigeon]

It was much less than 72 this includes silv2 😜

[cerulean steppe]

Yes, I know, but let's see what this new airdrop is all about (will include landholders). Maybe this helps smooth over some of our frustration.

[timber sapphire]

Balancing of production will change probably and prices aren't known yet

[radiant sky]

It's 1 Building not the whole landplot.
Like 1 extractor on a t4 would produce 60 fuel at 100% efficiency without any paths in 24h
Also keep in mind, those are Alpha season 1 numbers. Lot of Stuff changes for Beta.

[swift nexus]

Thank you guys

[narrow oasis]

Yikes. Is that really your best argument in their defense? You're just twisting the knife in the wound of those who paid in ETH (with a wink and tongue out). Also, this was at the lowest point of the bear market. These investors spent more value or fraction of their worth then.

[iron laurel]

Good choice. My favourite region. I love playing on the grass background.

[radiant sky]

AB really looking good.
Also doesn't hurt the eyes after playing a long time like crystal 😄

[misty nest]

Sweet, looking forward to seeing it. ✨ Have been playing on a friends in the Brightland Steps. So a scenery change will be nice.

[young nacelle]

is this true?
ILZ will delayed in PB4? 🥲

[young nacelle]

well well.
If our words can change the situation; Pray that's not true.
If can't change the situation; Still pray 🙏

[forest jetty]

Honestly they've rugged land everytime they make an announcement or a ama land is literally never spoken about or if it is its really not being improved. I'm pretty sure they regret saying it was gunna be a AAA game

[forest jetty]

Apparently the air drop is mainly for those that stuck around and played a boring game for 2 years

[slim wigeon]

Eh why would you have spent ETH other than helping out the DAO runway?

[radiant sky]

Not enough dyor.
I doubt anyone paid +40% to help out the DAO.

[timber sapphire]

No everybody got it, even the people who bought a day before the airdrop

[slim wigeon]

Right so I think these people should be angry on themselve nobody else.

People just seem to be upset that their investment was not good until now if prices were higher most likely nobody would complain.

I am so sick of whiners.. Just wait until we release this year and everything will be fine or just drop your land already and other people will be happy about it.

[radiant sky]

Absolutely, everybody makes mistakes. Hopefully people learned their lesson.

I guess it's normal human behaviour to be frustrated if an investement tuens out to be not good. And it's also normal human behaviour to be upset if you got misleaded.

If people are upset or frustrated, they should also give feedback, it's Part of what this discord is for and Team should probably listen to feedback, and See if it is justified and there is really something that could be improved.

[hearty cradle]

fuel crate airdrop

[broken roost]

Ah the whining about whining, I'm so sick of your whining

[timber sapphire]

Stop whining

[ivory badger]

I bought land in the sale, knowing that it would be a long term investment of money and time. To me it is funny to read all the whining about how long it has been. Everyone should remember rule one of gambling on a up coming game , don’t spend money you can’t lose. If you look at the overall improvements the team illuvium has done you should be impressed

[pearl jungle]

i wholeheartedly agree

[ivory badger]

Considering that land was a side project to OW , we are getting very impressive game

[pearl jungle]

people are just too impatient

[ivory badger]

People seem to want instant gratification and see a 1000% return right away

[radiant sky]

That's a pretty Bad Reflektion of what has been discussed on this discord so far 😄
Ok... Maybe in #💰〕token there are some with that expectations

[ivory badger]

You could be right, I have just noticed that every time I look in zero chat there is a lot of negative comments scattered thru the talk

[radiant sky]

You are not totally wrong there.
Often bad sentiment in #🎮〕illuvium-zero

[ivory badger]

I first found out about the game illuvium back in 2021 , I was so impressed that I jumped on the illuvium train by buying tokens and started staking , when kerian mentioned a land sale I started setting money aside , I was up for 36 hours watching scoriox and bought my lands around the 30 hour mark

Out of all the projects I have looked into since 2018 the illuvium team is one of the best I have seen

Time to take kids to school, hope everyone has a good day

[slim wigeon]

Whining about whining about whining haha

Seems we are in the same boat Simon 😂

[slim wigeon]

You are totally right.

And I trust the team to make everything they can to give land an increase in value over the next years.

[broken roost]

We do the whiningception

[broken roost]

I also agree with spoon, but I think we shouldn't trust the call it "good will" of the team, that boat sailed with false primises two years ago. That said, I still believe zero has a long way to go. Simply because it will prove profitable, and that's completely fine, it's business and they need to make money to survive and keep building games. City builders are extremely addictive if you make it good enough, and they know it, and they have the ability to make one, and I believe they will.

And it's going to be awesome

Now at least give us PB4 access for the love of whatever you call god 😂

I cannot imagine everyone else playing the game and landowners only spectating after all this time

[iron laurel]

That's actually why I didn't buy Crystal Shores. Too bright. Not even really looking forward to playing it in OW for that reason.😬

[radiant sky]

I own 1 and it's not fun to play for that very reason.
Hopefully they Change tint in beta

[naive knoll]

I came in to ask when the next 'season' would be live in ZERO. Sounds like no one knows in here, is that right?

[narrow oasis]

People who read my statement as me being upset about my investment missed the point. I only care so much about the investment. I sold BTC for land knowing damn well I will never see a similar return. I don't own any other NFTs because they're generally shit investments. I bought land because I wanted to take part in the journey of Illuvium. I liked the vision but mostly, I want to play the game and have fun.

Aside from that, I would expect that the team would develop the ecosystem in the most fair way possible. That starts with fulfilling marketing statements from sales, talks, deadlines, and other announcements. It's also about valuing your early investors, players, staff, etc. I'm sure developing multiple games is very difficult and requires a lot of time, but if you can't fulfill what you said you would do, the least you can do is be transparent about it and come up with a solution before people get upset. This is not what I've seen in the past two years. The main reason why IZ is filled with people ''whining'' is because the problems are not being acknowledged. The fuel crates were a result of criticizing and feedback and so was IIP-45. I get it it's a work in progress, but it's happening again. Now, with the lack of communication about IZ being delayed again and not included in the upcoming launch. That being said, it seems like the go-to after-thought solution to those problems is ''airdrop''. While it may be a good way to calm the complaints, to me there is still a problem of consideration, transparency, and accountability. Especially from the lack of acknowledgment and official apology. I hope if necessary, we will see more of that from the team.

I read @slim wigeon you're sick of whiners but do you realize how small the community is currently? I think the team should be mindful of that. When the mass joins the ecosystem and invest, they won't endure 2+ years of diminishing trust to quit, complain, and share news and socials. Unless of course, the game is just absolute pure fun, then maybe... they'd tolerate it.  😆

[slim wigeon]

I would say the team is mindful and Johnny already adressed that they think of some goodies for land owners they are aware.

I think the airdrops and future fuel production with some additional utility will make land a reasonable investment.

I hope we will be able to get an update in pb4 to playtest and also send morphopods from OW to IZ over the testnet.

As I understood they are still strugling to make IlVZ ready before OB is there any information yet if we can platest it in pb4?

[nimble lichen]

Kieran mentioned in the @still vine AMA that refactoring Zero could potentially cause a delay and historically, if he has mentioned something could happen in terms of delay then it has... which is why people are sensitive to it I think

[little moon]

Nothing pertaining to IZ in the leaks

the game is aptly named ZERO

[teal mural]

The big thing that ppl are not concerning is that when the bull market start the land will 10x and if you was able to grab more then one land then you can sell one for a great profit

[fierce fern]

On Point

[radiant sky]

Yes, no one really knows.

[lusty crag]

Wait does that mean zero isn't even launching into PB4 or Open Beta ?

Are you for real?!

[radiant sky]

No one really knows.

But sounds like in ama with kieran
And Johnny/kieran ignoring the question doesn't make it look good

[lusty crag]

That's a joke, right?

[lusty crag]

@noble quest @amber atlas really?

What is that hard launching ZERO ?!

[radiant sky]

Idk... Speculations with the Info available

[lusty crag]

For real, like we waited long enough.

I don't get it. But slowly but surely I'm getting pretty annoyed from these delays.

[low quiver]

Which AMA did we get this from i watched them all and didnt pick up on it

[lusty crag]

Same with the launch, like what in the world happend that we launching later then star atlas and other games?

[radiant sky]

#🎮〕illuvium-zero message

[lusty crag]

Even if there team / budget as far as I remember was way smaller.

I guess I can answer it myself - perfectionism, Illuvium's biggest enemy.

Over the last years.

[long grove]

what airdrop are we talkin gabout guys?

[timber sapphire]

fuel airdrop for landholders

[long grove]

ahhh yeah....i got excited thinking u were talkng a new kind.....

[timber sapphire]

there might be idk

[gentle grove]

What another delay in zero no that can't be they said q2 lol idk how anyone would be surprised if there is a delay

[teal mural]

If it was it would only be by 30 days most likely which isn’t to bad pulse we would still get our 5%

We need to get 1B in revenue by 2025 and 5% of that 🚀🚀🚀 if Axie can do it then we definitely can

[teal mural]

So rite now you can craft skins in OW but when the real game start they will only be able to craft skin if they have BP’s rite?

[misty nest]

OMG it is so pretty!!!! I love my happy little trees!!!! 💖 ✨ 💖

[iron laurel]

Sloughshroom Trees are the best trees ever.😃

[misty nest]

They are!!!!

[teal mural]

@high sleet great video keep up the good work

[vivid cipher]

The next season is the launch.

There aren’t more alpha seasons.

[high sleet]

No problem at all. Glad u liked it

[spring jetty]

so if they dont release zero on ob, mega cities are useless??? still not fair for mega city owners even if we get the 5% from fuel sale

unless they take the that into account when they distribute fuel revenue, but I highly doubt it

@hearty cradle say something to make me feel better, im sad

😭

[clear hull]

is IZ still alpha?

[vivid cipher]

Not really. It’s kind of post alpha but not yet beta.

Waiting for the games to launch so it can do what it’s supposed to do.

[clear hull]

fosho

[young nacelle]

There are a lot of AMA voice sessions recently.
But what we're gonna need in this quarter for Zero 👇

Action should be louder than voices
Listening in the different direction getting investors, players and potential good whales to nowhere.

Just my point of view.

[placid finch]

Is it confirmed that zero won’t be launching in q2?

For any delay they should bring a land staking feature

Till they release the game

[lusty crag]

If anyone had foreseen these delays in Illuvium Zero, especially if that’s true, then IZ wouldn‘t launch with OB (Megacities useless). I would have never invested so much effort at the Dutch auction getting my MC together.
What a shame.

[radiant sky]

No, it's not confirmed

[gentle grove]

It's been a delay show nonstop and I don't see them stopping

[gentle grove]

Might not be confirmed but if I was a betting man it be on delaying

[harsh dew]

The Morphopods from overworld, what will be the utility illuvium ZEro?

[radiant sky]

Stacking them in the Podarium to let plants mutate, to get dye's from them

[harsh dew]

What will be the use of Dyes's, will be needed to forge blueprint ?

[radiant sky]

Will be needed to skin items

Like Part of the Materials for a skin

#🎮〕illuvium-zero message

But all Info we got were from a very early draft, can Change a lot

[harsh dew]

Thx for the info Dr. Spoon

[shell rose]

Hey question - on marketplace if I click a land I can see an offers tab. Everywhere it just says no offers, be the first to make an offer.

But I don’t see any way to actually make an offer…

[hot palm]

I think you can only make an offer if they put it up for sale

[misty nest]

Trying to show my sweety the 5% revenue thing for land holders, cannot find it in the pins... anyone have a link handy? 😅

[radiant sky]

Please note that it's not Like revdis and you just get a share, you actually have to sell fuel and get what it was sold for.
Obviously you can also sell other Stuff Like dye's, blueprints (or skinns Made from blueprints?

[misty nest]

Thank you!!!

[timber sapphire]

Didn't they lately change it so it is like revdis?

[radiant sky]

No

[timber sapphire]

Or what was that about

Just wording?

[radiant sky]

Yes

[timber sapphire]

Ah oke

What are dyes?

[radiant sky]

Well depending on when IZ goes live, it will work Like revdis, AT least it sounded Like from kierans latest ama

[radiant sky]

Created by harvesting mutated plants.
You will need them in the skin production cycle

[timber sapphire]

In IZ?

[radiant sky]

Yes, there is going to be a new Building introduced, called the Podarium, which has an aoe where mutated plants can grow if you stacked some morphopods in your podarium

[timber sapphire]

When was this announced? Never heard of that

[radiant sky]

Never
Johnny leaked an early draft of it Long time ago

[timber sapphire]

Ah oke

[radiant sky]

#🎮〕illuvium-zero message

Maybe @harsh dew likes to have a Look aswell

[harsh dew]

What

[timber sapphire]

New building for dye

[radiant sky]

The link for podarium and dyes

[harsh dew]

Thx you

[wispy prism]

Aaron talks about this too in an AMA

[hollow shoal]

Soon

[errant pollen]

I feel like IZ has way less attention by the team than the other games...
Slow development, small team compared to the other games,
nothing especific about IZ in the new roadmap...

[forest jetty]

Exactly right. But when we mention that we get called whiners . Double whammy

[lusty crag]

Imminent …. 😂

[slim wigeon]

But not from the team it was only me. I think @radiant sky and @broken roost are right everybody should be able to write here if they are frustrated as long it s reasonable.

Also I have lots of Land and megacities not as much as @brisk plume of course 😉

Any news from the team if in PB4 we will be able to playtest IZ on the testnet?
As I understood from AMMs it won t be ready until then.

[brisk plume]

fuck playtest

we need start pumping oil and diamonds

and sell that shit to players

[shell rose]

Uhh til what? Ha

[junior hollow]

i thought you sold all your lands? why do you still care about this project?

[narrow oasis]

Whether or not he bought/sold or is planning to, doesn't necessarily mean he stops caring for the project.

[junior hollow]

maybe care is the wrong word, all i see this person do is rag on the project. and it ain't constructive criticism. if they don't like it, why not just move on. just looks hypocritical and sus as hell.

[lusty zinc]

So excited to build these bases back up for the final time

[tardy falcon]

until they implement raiding 😅

[lusty zinc]

Is that a potential? I’d enjoy it depending on implementation obviously. Enjoyed clash of clans for a good bit

[tardy falcon]

The idea has been tossed around and I'd guess eventually some form of it implemented. Would make zero more fun and competitive.

[lusty zinc]

I’m inclined to agree. Long term potential of zero currently only is maxing out buildings and fueling the economy (certainly a nice play to earn) but some potential goal for more interactivity would be sweet

[harsh acorn]

Would Archie turn into a mutant turtle if next to the Podarium?

[next juniper]

This channel is as bad as the token channel. Who would have guessed???

[iron laurel]

Token is a bit more cheerful I think.

[iron veldt]

Dr. spoon? 2 weeks until we can play with ILZ?

[tardy falcon]

eyoo, been having trouble with the illuvidex? go give this a comment and thumbs up to get it addressed
https://discord.com/channels/760344898200666112/1224108943337328700

[leaden sun]

So if I own land, and I build it up, and I sell 1 fuel to the market for 1usd. Do I get the 1 usd plus a share of 5% revdis, or do i get the 5% share of revdis only ?

[little moon]

can we sell fuel now?

[tardy falcon]

From what I understand, you get $1... but your sell order would be for 20 fuel... 1 from you and 19 from the DAO... for a total of $20. Then you'd get a share of the 5% of the $20 sale along with all the other landowners. That's how I understand it anyway.

[vivid cipher]

You do not get revdis. Revdis is for ILV. Your $1 sale of fuel is your portion of 5% of the in-game revenue. Because as megaratty said you sell 1 and the DAO sells 19 making your sale 5% of the total sales.

[vivid cipher]

Accurate.

[vivid cipher]

No one has actual fuel tokens. So no.

[leaden sun]

Isnt in game revenue split up as revdis? @tardy falcon made sense. You are suggesting that we do not get $1 usd we only get 5% of the revdis from the 1 usd being 5c ?

[tardy falcon]

RevDis is only for ILV stakers... has nothing to do with landholders.

Us lowly landholders split with the DAO 5%-95% for everything we produce. On top of that though... landowners get 5% revenue share of all Fuel sales. I think njafe's proposal clarified what landholders get. tbh I didn't read it all... so maybe Peli can explain that part - what landholders will get from all sales.

Someone should rise a stink though and propose a higher split 🙂

[leaden sun]

I understand the revenue part, my main question was regarding do we get an actual figure for selling each fuel as well as the 5% reveue split

[tardy falcon]

You sell one unit of fuel for one dollar - but the actual order is for 20 units ($20). The sale is made and you get $1 for selling 1 fuel.

[leaden sun]

lol yes but is there then the 5% revenue split on top of that? We sell to the pool and get $1 usd and then when fuel is sold to the player we get a share of the 5% revenue?

[tardy falcon]

AFAIK yes... but that'll be a fraction cuz it's split between all landowners and based off the tier of the lands

[leaden sun]

yea I understand the split

I mean a played t1 will get a 100% more than an unplayed t4 🙂

[tardy falcon]

I would think whoever has an unplyed t4 would wanna give it to me 😌

[leaden sun]

🙂

[vivid cipher]

@leaden sun @tardy falcon
You should read this #1196516944124334100 message

What will happen pre-fuel is not the same thing that will happen post-fuel.
Once there's fuel to sell then selling fuel is the only way that land owners will get a portion of the revenue.
Once fuel exists then land owners can sell fuel. Land owners will not get any portion of revenue other than what they are paid for the fuel they sell.

Revdis and revenue are not the same thing. Revdis is an actual smart contract that ILV stakers can claim ILV tokens from. The revdis contract is filled with ILV tokens that are purchased using eth from revenue. Land owners do not get revdis because land owners are not staking ILV and do not interact with the revdis smart contract.

[vivid cipher]

Fuel is not sold to a pool. It’s sold to players.

Fuel will be sold using an order book.

https://youtube.com/shorts/w6AZtwSEEw0?si=haXX9u3qYxg_rvlb

[narrow oasis]

There is nothing you get "on top" of that fuel you sold.

The idea is that everything digital being sold by the Illuvium ecosystem will be priced in fuel. Meaning if you want to buy a transport from one region to another, fuel will be bought. If you want to open Disks from Beyond or forge items, fuel will be bought. Again all using fuel.

In order for land holders to receive their 5% of all revenue, the idea is to allocate them 5% of all fuel production. Land holders create and sell 1 fuel (5%), DAO create and sell 19 fuel (95%).

Your only revenue is that 1 fuel representing the 5%.

But it gets worse when you realize that you don't get that 5% for yourself. Land holders as a group get it. So let's assume you would manage to make and sell 1/20000 of player generated fuel, that means you will get 0.0000025 of revenue.

[buoyant plank]

Hey Illuvium team,

I’ve got a feedback-idea I wanted to share with you, something that could really spice up the game, especially when it comes to trading lands. Right now, buying and selling lands one by one can be a bit of a hassle, and I was thinking, why not make things more interesting and efficient?

Here’s the gist:

Land Bundle Transactions: How cool would it be to group lands into bundles? Imagine being able to combine 2 to 10 lands of various tiers (1 through 4) and sell or buy them as a single package. It’s all about giving players the flexibility they need while making the market dynamics a lot more fun and engaging.

Slick New Filter on the Market Site: Adding a "create bulk buy" option could really streamline how we deal with land transactions. This way, players can easily put together these land bundles for sale or scope out bundles others have put up. It’s about making the market more user-friendly and intuitive.

Smooth Integration and UX: The key here is to blend this new feature into the existing market setup seamlessly. We want it to enhance the experience without complicating things unnecessarily.

Solid Security for Transactions: Of course, making sure these bundle deals are safe and secure is top priority. We want everyone to trade with peace of mind, knowing their deals are protected.

Kind regards,
Jim
@bitter glade @vagrant rock @fathom ridge

[radiant sky]

That would be a nice easter Egg 😄
Mutant ninja turtle fusion

[radiant sky]

I'm afraid, i don't think so... But if i remember right synthaMan spamed that gif years a go in hope we Launch soon 😄

[polar cosmos]

good idea, recently I have been listing all my blueprints one by one for an hour, and I would like to be able to do it in 5 minutes by dividing it into packages and, for example: complete sets of blueprints

[iron veldt]

https://tenor.com/view/two-weeks-happy-dance-gif-18982959

okay

😂

[leaden sun]

Then its a good thing they dont have another land sale planned because , in its current form it isnt a fun game and if there is bugger all return the next sale will be land selling for 5usd..

[pearl marten]

I think the main thing out of all these discussions on the channel lately (criticism/rants/constructive feedback/hate/praise etc) is **how **and **if ** the team will be able to turn (one of, if not) the worst performing utility NFT in history - meaning that in 2 years it just sat there in everyone's wallet 'collecting dust' - into a real asset that can actually deliver some decent income in a decent timeframe ...

The thank you air drop was nice but 100% is not going to do it. When you hear that yes we made a 1 million+ $ airdrop that seems cool ... but if you put it through a land owners eyes it turns into -> i paid about $7000 for a T3 and got $135 in 2 years (which is about 2%) that doesn’t sound cool anymore... and btw that T3 is worth less now

And remember that one of the main things Kieran was mentioning in his earlier AMAs was that 'we won't sell you NFTs prior like everyone else does' and 'everyone will start from zero' ... i know it was a reference to the Overworld mainly .. but what do we do with land and people that invested? ILV investors got their nice chunk of investment back (i'm not complaining i'm one of them also) but how are you going to repay people's confidence in basically NFTs sold prior to the games?

It's normal people to be upset/frustrated/angry because they paid money for something that wasn't delivered - i just want to add that no one was forced into anything and every landowner decided to invest on his own risk.

Imo the only real thing land owners can do at the moment is just HOPE they get a good game, that Illuvium will have success and that they don't have to wait another 3-5 years to at least get their investment back.
(Just FYI I still have faith in the project and in the team. The work they do is awesome but clearly they couldn’t and didn’t got all things right)

[leaden sun]

Well Said

[snow river]

I'm here for the next 20 years. Fairly sure I'll see good returns.

[fierce fern]

Well said...

Frustration cause hole market ist up and ilv Land is one of the only assets which decreased.

Soon will Change i hope.

Maybe now is the best and last time to bye in cheap

[rain coyote]

when will be out the first season of illuvium 0 without the reset?

[pearl marten]

In Open Beta - hopefully end of Q2 as it stands now

[rain coyote]

So in around 2-3 months from now?

[barren turtle]

No, that’s yours and yours alone

[slim wigeon]

Yes I thinik he miscalculated 20k x 5 % is 100 000 % from the pot. So basically he thought that land owners get more than everything lol

i think hngmi

[misty nest]

Why can’t we play on apple!?!? Awooooo!!!

My next phone is so going to be android, lol, this was the last straw!!! 😭😅

[teal mural]

Because Apple want 30% of profit

[misty nest]

Bastards!!! 😹

[polar cosmos]

https://x.com/coininsiderpl/status/1774893631045869703?s=46&t=iDoVi8W6o7XEeiWTJOF0-g

CoinInsider.pl (@CoininsiderPL) on X

@illuviumio What a reward! I need the same in Illuvium Zero! Btw, its a good reward for engagement ;)

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