🎮〕illuvium-zero

[amber atlas]

Note we aren't looking to stop people who (mildly) abused in game bugs (for example using Marketplace like infinite storage is fine).

[radiant sky]

Small Risk?
In 4 weeks you can even build up T1 for 15 blueprints👀

[amber atlas]

Yes, but how many people are going to buy land (directly after someone mints Blueprints), have the expertise to build it up quickly, know that blueprint minting is a thing... and also never read any our of our socials, web pages, etc, to know that you can't mint twice.

No one is saying is hard to do. Thats not the point at all.

[radiant sky]

I guess we both don't know.
I would say AT least 75% of the plots who are in that state would have the expertise after having built it up once already.

And what's the point, a few don't think they find a few mins during holidays to mint their BP? Announce it early enough( not Like minting window starts tomorrow), keep it short and we will be fine.
You can even "delay" it to january/february since we can't do shit anyways until game is live.

[amber atlas]

The announcements and dex and so on will be really clear that you can't mint from a plot that has already minted. If you buy something and willfully ignore reading anything about it, except the one thing you want to hear, then bad luck.

[cyan dew]

so we can mint all blueprints on one day?

[amber atlas]

Yes.

[radiant sky]

ah, so you can't mint it even you bought the plot

[cyan dew]

okay good

[amber atlas]

There is a strict system enforced hard limit on minting. 1 of each Blueprint per plot.

There's no concern there.

[radiant sky]

so it's just about possible new investors who can't mint the bp's when they bought during or after minting window

[amber atlas]

The concern is that someone could theoretically hear about the minitng window being open, go to a thirdparty site, say tokentrove, and buy a land plot, then build it up and try to mint and when they try and mint it will say "This Land Plot has Already Minted That Blueprint"

[amber atlas]

yes.

Basically we might have some people who don't read, who are pissed off. But I don't think it will be many people.

If we made it way more, like 20 weeks, then it gets increasingly more likely that we get a lot of such people.

[radiant sky]

you would think that.
My experience is it's gona be way more people pissed because they don't read closely, than people who don't find a few mins during holidays 😄

[amber atlas]

The thing is people who miss out because the window is too small and they aren't able to mint could be hurting the long term players.

I care more about them 🙂

In any case I'll go to council with 4 weeks, and I'm sure they will listen to feedback on making it shorter (or longer).

[radiant sky]

https://tenor.com/view/one-of-the-many-reasons-i-like-you-admire-im-a-fan-i-like-it-crush-gif-14382407

[little moon]

Can't you have a pop-up or something warning "Blueprints from this land has been minted. Buy at your own risk". Something like this when someone tries to buy a land on which BPs have already been minted

Instead of one general message somewhere at the top of the page where people really don't look or pay attention to

[amber atlas]

We can, but we can't make third party sites do the same.

[little moon]

yeah, it's difficult on 3rd party sites...

then it's buyer beware

[amber atlas]

Yep, and I think thats fine, in the wider scheme of things a few Alpha blueprints are not going to be a significant part of the overall value of the land over time.

[little moon]

exactly

[radiant sky]

@amber atlas is the Town hall happening for IZ? You heared anything? 🙃

[lost walrus]

it is for us emotionally

hehe

[amber atlas]

For sure, but that emotion doesn't apply to someone who just bought land a week ago.

[lost walrus]

true that

[blazing ferry]

Is there risk that these 4 weeks turn to 6/8/more if open beta for overworld needs to be delayed?

[buoyant cosmos]

Goodmorning, I received an email yesterday about a Christmas Airdrop, is this legit or a scam? email address it came from was marketing...at...illuvium-token.com

[lethal wyvern]

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[fossil galleon]

Scam

[lethal wyvern]

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[buoyant cosmos]

Thanks, the email address looked half legit, so wasn't sure 🙂

[fossil galleon]

No worries - always worth checking.

[obsidian patrol]

Never trust the email adress, even if its from illuvium.io (even that can be faked)

[wary zealot]

Thank you for the suggestion! I will definitely do this

[languid flint]

Does it mean if we have multiple plots in a single wallet, we could only mint 15 blueprint in total ? 😳

[empty path]

15 blueprints / plot

[languid flint]

Well the initial question was /wallet, that's why I was surprised

[empty path]

I apoligise for the confusion

[eternal pine]

will there be any difference between the outstanding 80k lands and already existing 20k?

are they the same quality but different region?

[cyan dew]

yeah

[eternal pine]

ok thanks

[blazing ferry]

No, they will be in the same regions. Land is available in all regions today. It may be a long time before more are released though.

[ancient nacelle]

Is it correct that after we mint the BPs and after the start of season 1, we will have a head start on getting the BPs for the next stage of each Illuvial if we keep the land and BPs in the same wallet?

What happens if we move the land to a different wallet? Do we need to move the BP's to that wallet to maintain our head start or do we have to collect the same biodata and BP's all over again?

[cyan dew]

there are different types of regions

[blazing ferry]

There are seven regions for land and land plots are available in all seven today. Not sure what you mean

[polar cosmos]

any update about additional rewards for early land holders and alpha testers?

[regal oyster]

are we now able to keep the BPs we get as it is now season 1 ?

[spark knoll]

How much does a maxed out crypton slot produce per hour of play?

[tribal zealot]

i believe they stated christmas but may be delayed a few weeks due to holidays

[amber atlas]

No the minting window is not attached to Open Beta. The old diagram that is floating about is out of date. We will stay in Alpha post minting window and maybe use it as a chance to try some new features prior to Open Beta.

I mean there's still a chance that people think they will be able to buy land and mint straight away (post minting window, pre open beta launch), but that's no different to now where uninformed people might assume that too.

[radiant sky]

Yes, you can mint them during the minting window

[ancient nacelle]

@amber atlas Is it correct that after we mint the BPs and after the start of season 1, we will have a head start on getting the BPs for the next stage of each Illuvial if we keep the land and BPs in the same wallet?

What happens if we move the land to a different wallet? Do we need to move the BP's to that wallet to maintain our head start or do we have to collect the same biodata and BP's all over again?

[slate merlin]

Johnny answered the first part of your question awhile ago, there will be no "head start on getting the BPs for the next stage" because everything other the BPs will be wiped, including the Biodata and Facts, which will have to be found again in order to Research BPs.

[regal oyster]

Is the minting window now until beta?

[radiant sky]

#🎮〕illuvium-zero message

[fervent slate]

I can't wait for Christmas

[ancient nacelle]

Okay thanks for that info.

[blazing ferry]

Yeah, I think this is as good as it gets. I actually knew the Alpha kept going, just missed the part that minting would close before it ends, lol.

I assume though, that the close of minting date will be extremely clear and distinct from end of Alpha in all the announcements to avoid this confusion. Looking forward to it!

[empty venture]

Do landmarks affect converters?

[radiant sky]

Yes, ser

[empty venture]

thank you!

[velvet hornet]

are there any new infos? when minting window… when next season? haven‘t been around for a while…

[opaque kiln]

Does it mean we will be getting another 'copy' of these 15 T1-S1 Blueprints again?
Is this mentioned anywhere.

[radiant sky]

Nope, not yet

[gray geyser]

Hi All,

So if I buy land from someone else now, does it come with the buildings they put up?

[radiant sky]

No, everything will be wiped for now if Land changes the wallet

[gray geyser]

Do you think this may change in the future?

[vagrant monolith]

probably

[gray geyser]

there is probably a good profit model with the opportunity to sell developed land.

[spark knoll]

@radiant sky 54 per hour of fuel seems its too low, so we need 10 fuel spot to do a t1 istance every hour....

[radiant sky]

That are just placeholder numbers you See now in overworld. Also output numbers could Change from Zero.
You can't really calculate anything if it comes to that for open beta

[spark knoll]

ok but the land costs real money tho

[radiant sky]

Yes it will for open beta

[radiant sky]

Yes it does 🙂

[spark knoll]

i mean, im a gamer, not a speculator, loads of people in for profit, but i do like the game im just worried i wont be playing it due to costs

either this or palmworld

evolution of pokemon games

[radiant sky]

There will be f2p plots for just playing the game, but obviously you can't mint fuel and BP's etc. On there

[spark knoll]

point is that zero has no value if not connected to overworld

[radiant sky]

There is also f2p experience in overworld and Arena.
The whole t0 lines are Made just for that

[spark knoll]

yeah, i will be a t0 player

^^

just doesnt feel fun long term

[radiant sky]

Yea absolutely. Which makes Sense... You can't Make a f2p experience where everyone can earn money, thats just not how economics work

[spark knoll]

nono not free, but prices are too high

unless u intend to speculate

[radiant sky]

For Land?

[spark knoll]

and also ilv token

ive been thinking these days, would cost me 5grand to jump in as of now

and 5grand for a game it feels a bit of a bad move

[radiant sky]

Yea, this Stuff is purely speculation for now, and prices will get somewhere depending on their ROI. They can go up or down. Most likely up, because if they go down because of roi, illuvium just dies 😄

[radiant sky]

Yea that's not how you should think about it. You don't pay 5grand for a game, you pay 5grand for an earning opportunity

Basically a gamified earning opportunity

[spark knoll]

regarding ilv, over a total of 10mill token, considering this game have the cabability of holding 1mill active players.... the correct amount is 10tokens

[gray geyser]

there will be ftp oportunity if you just want to play the game. Buying Plots should be considered as an invetment into the game eco system and if you want to support Illuvium

[radiant sky]

I wouldn't link that, a typical gamer won't buy the token. Token is for Investors.

[spark knoll]

regarding land, well fuel production comes at 5% from there rest for the dao, so they are ment for players that want to satisfy theyre gaming demand

thats how i look it, no offence mean

[spark knoll]

i dont see it that way, because of ilv vesting and silv2 conversion for the game, it looks like a token for players more than for investors

lands are all sold out or they will release more?

[gray geyser]

I think only 20% have been sold, so 80% still to go on the market

[spark knoll]

that is a very good news

[gray geyser]

Do we know when the next batch will be up for sale?

[radiant sky]

I mean you can do it that Way, but a typical gamer just slides his credit card when he interacts with microtransactions.
It's Like you would say you buy Coca-Cola shares to buy coke out of the dividend you get... Some might do it that Way, but most people just buy a coke when they are thirsty

[radiant sky]

Yea, there are another 80k for Sale in future

[radiant sky]

Nope

[spark knoll]

ok thanks a lot for all these infos

[gray geyser]

I am sure it will be timed well to meet demand and not to saturate the market

[radiant sky]

You can read up on IIP-39.
It will basically be an automated System of mini Landsales depending on demand and supply

[gray geyser]

Will all the fuel and elements that is currently being generated on land plats now be available to use when Overworld goes public?

[opaque kiln]

No. You will start from square 'zero'. They will be cleaned out (only minted blueprints will stay).

[fierce fern]

I am always wondering about the Investment side and like conversations about it.

I love the Land part but i think the genaral Feelings at the beginning of the sale were more towards Land which shifted a little bit.
Now i think its more towards the tokken.

Its nice that Land prices came almost back to start prices.

But who knows were we are going from here. I think Januar will be a red month...but since i am always wrong i am interested what you guys think....

[fading comet]

If I have a newly purchased a T2 and T1 land, how long does it take to fully build it if I do it at maximum speed? the goal is to get all 15 blueprints fast as possible

[junior hollow]

2 weeks should be sufficient

[pseudo pulsar]

@fading comet t1 bit more work probably 27days

[junior hollow]

my perspective is that the token are a safer investment. Lands are riskier assets but could pay off better in the long run depending on their demands and how the ILZ game appeal to the market.

[fierce fern]

Yes could be true!

Do you see the prices rising or falling next year?

[junior hollow]

with official game releases next year, I see the prices going up. But there are other variables to consider too, like the state of the overall crypto market.

[fierce fern]

Thats a little bit my concern, that i think the Overall market will take a little dip in Januar ...

[junior hollow]

yeah i can see a retrace too

[fierce fern]

Probably will Zero not affect so much i have no idea there

[split root]

WHEN DOES THE MINTING WIDOW OPEN PLEASE

opps caps

[vivid cipher]

Not announced yet. Should be around Christmas. Feels soon.

[fading comet]

Which type of land is the best investment? Or just the names are different but the function and reward are same in all of them?

Abyssal Basin.
Brightland Steppes.
Crimson Waste.
Crystal Shores.
Halcyon Sea.
Shardbluff Labyrinth.
Taiga Boreal.

[cyan dew]

I bought some Crimson Wastes

It's one of the popular ones

But dyor

[fair temple]

just different names for each region. In IZ there are two (main) sources of revenue you can expect once the open beta comes out.

Fuel -> Ingame token for all paid actions
The more static and consistent revenue source comes from Fuel, which is the resource you use for all in-game transactions of the overworld of Illuvium. You go on runs for Fuel, you create armaments for fuel, you cure shards (pokeballs) for fuel.
The Fuel production is bound to the Tier of a land, not so much the region. The tier determines en large how much fuel you produce, and how quick you can build your land. T1 = very little, T4 is a large amount. But between lands of the same tier, you can expect similar fuel production levels.

Biodata - Blueprints -> to create skins based on the Illuvial
In each region you can also find biodata of Illuvials regardless of the land's tier. The biodata is a research element that you find with the scanner on your land. The scanner scans the surrounding area and checks what Illuvials roam the area. Water Illuvials favor a water area, while Earth Illuvials more commonly can be found in rocky landscapes.
If you buy a land in the Halcyon Sea -> A water based region, you are more likely to find water Illuvials and thereby will get more biodata based on those water Illuvials. (You don't actually find the Illuvials, you find biodata. Think of it as a 3D model of an Illuvial that researchers use to study. After all, you scan an Illuvial from a great distance.)

You can look through the illuviary and see what the Illuvials are of each affinity to choose your preferred region for whatever skins you can make based on your biodata. Maybe you like the water penguin skins, or you prefer the earth beetles.
Biodata and thereby blueprints that grant you the ability to create skins are chance-based sources of revenue, as you are not guaranteed to find blueprints after X time. Note that the skin production feature is not live yet - should come with Open Beta.
Some may choose to just create Fuel, in that case, your region doesn't matter in the slightest!

This is the very old mockup of the Illuvial affinity encounter odds for each affinity in each region:

[fading comet]

Thank you for this detailed description

[low river]

We are almost at the end of December and it's surprising that there's been no update on the mint. It's a bit disheartening that the developers seem more forthcoming with information about Illuvium Beyond than they are about Illuvium Zero.

[empty path]

https://tenor.com/view/illuvium-illuviumio-ilv-yield-farming-gif-22225026

[woven saffron]

Those 15 bps are per Land ? Or 15 per user ?

[frozen finch]

Per land

[cyan dew]

will the blueprints have different rarities or what are we getting?

[little moon]

I believe it's the same for everyone on all tiers of land

At least in this Alpha

[idle parrot]

how mutch did they say that they will sell the future land sales for?

would it be 500$ or less?

[cyan dew]

Whats than the point of blueprints if there are not different rarities

[little moon]

I believe it's like a reward for early land owners

[radiant sky]

In Beta there are different rarities

[little moon]

Dr. Spoon you beat me to it

[radiant sky]

No mentioning about prices of future landsales yet

[little moon]

👆🏼

[knotty blaze]

hey guys, any news on mint and wipe?

[little moon]

as per latest info, minting window will open some time before Christmas

the window will be open for about 3-4 weeks

[late grove]

That window is closing quickly

[little moon]

yep

[vivid cipher]

We get what we’ve found in the game so far. They are all t1 stage 1 blueprints. They’ll be pretty common. There will be different tiers and stages of blueprints. Thier rarity work like the illuvials they are based on.

[opaque kiln]

All are for same Tier-1 Stage-1 illuvials.

[regal oyster]

does anyone know how many power stations you need for optimal performance?

[vivid cipher]

It depends on too many different factors to say for certain. 150% efficiency is max for most things. Though some can go to 175% if they have a landmark that boosts efficiency for that structure.

[regal oyster]

For tier 1 land i am looking at - also is there an optimal position for the power stations?

[vivid cipher]

The closer they are to the thing that you want to boost the stronger the boost will be. (T1 has no landmark so 150% max)

[regal oyster]

Ah thanks for the info all helps - Does the road offer you anything?

[vivid cipher]

These may be helpful too.

[regal oyster]

👍

[fading comet]

We've been building my lands for two weeks now, but I haven't found a blueprint yet. Today I found the first biodata and thats it after two week clicking feom morning to evening. Is it possible that the previous land owners has already extracted all the blueprints from my lands so I can't find them? or infinite blueprint can be won? I ask because I only know about 15 blueprints/land.

[vivid cipher]

No. Two weeks is pretty fast.

[vivid cipher]

Also… you can’t find a blueprint without first having that biodata. Use the research facility to do research using that biodata. Thats the next step you need to take.

[fading comet]

So you are 100% sure that my lands still have all the 15 blueprints and I can get all of them?

[vivid cipher]

Yes. If you have time you can do it.

[fading comet]

Thats great! I heard that land owners and blueprint owners will get airdrop before the end of this month, is it true?

[vivid cipher]

Maybe there’s an idea about that in the pins. It won’t be much. Maybe just something for fun.

[fading comet]

I see. Do you know when will the land reset happen? I need to get all blueprints before the reset right?

[vivid cipher]

So it looks like the deadline you are looking for is not the reset. It’s like 4 weeks or so after the minting window opens. I think. So before the end of January. But they’ll share the actual timelines of the minting window when it’s officially announced.

Land reset will be right before the public launch. Significantly later.

[regal oyster]

Got some game feedback: after quite a few hours the mining is addictive but it would be great if there was something interesting and possibly profitable to do while waiting for the mining process to happen. My thoughts were possibly a game of chance of some sort to play, maybe bet small amounts of resources on a spinning wheel of chance or illuvials racing around a mini race track. The rewards to go after could be rare hard to get by mining resources, it would something to keep you busy whilst you wait. Just a thought 🙂 otherwise i think its pretty good 👍

[radiant sky]

"significantly"? 🥺

[white field]

Will we be taking the facts out of beta also or just the blueprints?

[radiant sky]

Just blueprints

[vestal raft]

You should be able to make it…. I got a new T2 land on 19nov, and got the last of the 15 blueprints yesterday. (And I skipped playing a few days)… focus on getting the 5 biodata, and build as many labs as you can afford… you can sell the scanners when you have the 5biodata. (I had 4 scanners, and have 9 labs now when I got the last of the 15 blueprints)… but there is an element of luck🍀 so guess it can vary how fast you find them…. So wish you good luck 🤗

[vivid cipher]

I’d assume at least a month later. But we’ll see I guess. 🤷

[fading comet]

Thanks so much 🙏

[edgy rivet]

I have 3 different lands and they are all stuck on 1 illuvial. They have 5 scanners each and i have had 50+ scans without finding a second on any of them. Is there anything i am missing? Something i need to build. I have 2 databanks on of them , just to make sure it wasn't 1 pr bank.

[little moon]

try increasing the efficiency

yeah, some times it's frustrating

some days you don't get anything and some days you get 3 or 4

[edgy rivet]

I have placed them so they are at at least 85%

OK. Well i am probably just rolling 1s

[little moon]

goodluck man.... you still have time though before minting window is open

[subtle frost]

my god, my Singularity scanner can't get any blueprints

2 straight days nothing from 6 on T2 land

[vivid cipher]

Your scanner is looking for biodata. I’d expect a hit soon then.

[empty path]

You have to put on your jacket when you click collect for max karma

[vivid cipher]

I saw that in the patch notes as well

[blazing ferry]

patch notes for zero?

[queen folio]

Just to clarify, Scanners will obtain "biodata," not blueprints.
If you already obtained the 5 different Illuvial biodata, you don't need to use your scanners anymore.

You use the Materials Lab to research blueprints.

[vivid cipher]

Bad joke

[empty path]

https://tenor.com/view/shame-gif-26321140

[spring jetty]

do we any updates/news on mega city

[vivid cipher]

None

[cyan dew]

thank you

[vivid cipher]

https://tenor.com/view/that-is-the-question-that-is-the-right-question-gif-13658847

[nimble lichen]

zero

[subtle frost]

did they change it?

[queen folio]

Nope. Still the same.
Scanners -> Biodata
Materials Lab (+Biodata) -> Blueprints

[swift crown]

How close are we til you guys think the wipe happens

[little moon]

Minting of BPs will open up some time before Xmas

minting window is about 4 weeks as per present info

wipe would be somwhere after that before public beta

btw, good to see you here Knok

[kindred terrace]

what is the wipe? what will get wiped?

how to increase efficiency of storage? or can it only be at 100%

[little moon]

once everybody mints the BPs during the 4 week window (currently planned) and before IZ opens for open beta, all data will be wiped.... you can keep the BPs minted as NFTs

[radiant sky]

you can't increase efficiency of your storages

[kindred terrace]

so everything in my land will be wiped? all the level 3 buildings etc
i started playing yesterday, should i just not invest time in the game rn then?

[kindred terrace]

i see
thanks

[little moon]

you can still play now

you need to find bio-data for 5 Illuvials using the scanner

once you find at least 1 bio-data, you need to build material labs (at least 4-5) to find facts/blueprints

[gentle grove]

I don't think we are minting before xmas

[little moon]

looks like that

IZ is last on the priority list I believe

[true cradle]

sad but true

[hazy jewel]

No minting yet? Was it for Xmas week?

[little moon]

yep, as per past conversations

no date set in stone yet

[hazy jewel]

Ty

@vivid cipher did I just send me a friend request?

Otherwise got another dumb scammer

[lethal wyvern]

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Mods and Team members will never DM you.
Never trust advice or links received in DMs.

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[vivid cipher]

Not me. It’s a scammer.

[fervent slate]

I got a friend request as well.
I'll be careful.😱

[low quiver]

Not even a scammer sends me friend requests 😢

[lethal wyvern]

DMs are scams

Mods and Team members will never DM you.
Never trust advice or links received in DMs.

Beta access, giveaways, and promotions are not given out via DM. Scams are designed to trick you into installing malicious software to gain access to your wallet or to convince you to enter your seed phrase into a website. Never give your private key (12 to 24-word seed phrase) to anyone.

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[vernal estuary]

Which currency would be required? ETH, sILV2, etc?

Is there an ETA on the next 20k land release?

[oak ruin]

not even close

[high sleet]

Might actually be Fiat onramp. But I am sure eth will work somehow

[high sleet]

When the first 20k is TOO profitable

[hazy jewel]

Ofc, I’ll report him

Its a while I’m not updating my “knowledge “ on illuvium zero: I read a lot from you in this answer: did I miss a communication regarding updates there are coming? Where can I find full details? Thanks for help

Do we already know what’s the requirement to mint?

[kindred terrace]

Is it normal to not get any daily tasks?

[mossy cipher]

when does zero go live?

[empty path]

https://tenor.com/view/illuvium-illuviumio-ilv-yield-farming-gif-22225026

[silk comet]

I hope this will turn out to be true

[swift crown]

Hey boss. Good to see you too. My fault for not responding sooner. I don’t have time to look at my phone when working.

[plucky summit]

Any announcements on mints?

[kindred terrace]

is there any benefit for making paths or is just for aesthetic purposes

[high sleet]

That has been publicly stated by the team. Not those words exactly but they won't just dilute the supply if it has a savage roi

[radiant sky]

There are just some Infos here and there in this Chanel. There is no Big Update somewhere to read up.
Maybe read pinned messages?

[radiant sky]

Next Lands will sale at every playerbase spike after 4 months into open Beta.
You can read up a rough descriptuon of the landsale System in iip-39. But there should be a detailed iccp for that very soon.

[coarse void]

Few questions i have if someone can help

• When the reset is happening?
• When can we mint our blueprints to get nfts?
• Any date for shop release?

[radiant sky]

No official dates announced yet

[coarse void]

For any of this questions?

[radiant sky]

Yes

[coarse void]

They said Q1 if i remeber

[radiant sky]

According to the roadmap yes.
Roadmap should get updated soon, obviously Stuff gets delayed when you look at the old one, pb4 should habe come this q... I guess pretty much anything will get 1q delayed. But thats just me guessing

Also Johnny said unofficially minting window should Start arround christmas... But it's unofficial and we already have christmas pretty soon, so i Kind of doubt that will happen.

Shop will release with Beta, no point in selling Stuff before last wipe. 🙂

[cyan dew]

Minting soon?

[empty path]

https://tenor.com/view/illuvium-illuviumio-ilv-yield-farming-gif-22225026

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[wicked horizon]

i've got two blueprints left to find so as long as the window is after that haha

[little moon]

Goodluck👍. You still have time

[blazing ferry]

you still have 4+ weeks

[covert siren]

i though minting is before christmas?

[blazing ferry]

yeah, but sounds like it will be a 4 week mint window so opportunity to still find blueprints in that time and from now until whenever that window starts (this week??)

[covert siren]

oh ofc sir

[lost crow]

Ah nice was going to check for mint but see it's almost time

[hallow dagger]

Hello friends, I have a land of Tier 1 and I am level 1940. When can I earn from the land?

[craggy shoal]

Open beta. Planned for Q1. Fuel can be produced. Until then it’s just the 15 blueprints available in the Alpha.

[hallow dagger]

How do you do this?

[junior hollow]

has mint window been announced?

[craggy shoal]

Earn the blueprints? Just play the game right now. You’ll have to search for Biodata first and then use the biodata to search for the blueprints.

[hallow dagger]

How do I know if my mint has opened or not?

[vivid cipher]

The minting window will be publicly announced, and will be for everyone. There’s not a specific mint for you or for me or for anyone else.

[vivid cipher]

No

[hallow dagger]

I did all this, am I now lol 1984?

[craggy shoal]

Nice. So did you gather all 15 blueprints already?

[vivid cipher]

The team has said that the minting window will open around Christmas. But the official timeline has not yet been announced.

If I were the team, I would also push something into the game. So there’s some sort of message that pops up when playing the game.

[hallow dagger]

Yes

[craggy shoal]

So now it’s just waiting until the minting window to turn those into NFTs. And then waiting again till open beta to produce fuel

[hallow dagger]

Is it necessary to reach level 2000?

[craggy shoal]

I don’t think so

Hope not

[vivid cipher]

No

[hallow dagger]

thank you

[vivid cipher]

You’ll need the zero point transducer though. Just at level 1

[hallow dagger]

My land is Tier 1, how do I know how much it costs?

[vivid cipher]

How much what costs?

Minting in game assets that you’ve attained in the games will cost nothing. And IMX charges nothing to mint.

[lethal wyvern]

Immutable X - Layer 2

Illuvium utilizes Immutable X as its layer 2 solution, providing cost-effective transactions. This means that minting and trading Illuvials will be free of network gas fees, while only transferring funds between the Ethereum Mainnet and Immutable X will incur gas fees. By reducing the cost of transactions, players can maximize their potential gains.

[hallow dagger]

How do I know if I sell my Tier 1 land, how much is it worth?

[empty path]

Floor for T1 land is 0.28

[vivid cipher]

I guess it’s worth whatever someone pays for it. You could use something like the illuvialmaster website to see what price history for similar fuel and resource and regions are like. But location can come into play for someone looking to build a megacity.

Note: if you sell your land before you mint your blueprints, you won’t be able to make those blueprints later. Whenever the land is transferred at the moment the game resets the plot to zero.

[cyan dew]

When do we get an official announcement about the minting?

[little moon]

God knows

[craggy shoal]

Might be something you land owners are interested in. https://discord.com/channels/760344898200666112/1186709194435469332

[little moon]

Done 👍

[weary bluff]

where do i find the great proposal to revive land

mfs from council better vote for this shit

[bitter phoenix]

Please rephrase your post.

Our council members are our elected representatives and deserve more respect than this

[broken roost]

Land holders don't get to vote, remember?

[bitter phoenix]

I understand that. But council members still represent us. The point here is no disrespect is needed

[pearl steeple]

hey all... where can I find infos about lands and they "types" (idk right name yet :P)

[weary bluff]

NO

no respect for council until land is alive

[broken roost]

Landowners don't get votes and you say they represent us? How does that work?

[weary bluff]

every single proposal must be for and about land until its alive

anything else is just trolling or defending their own interests

thats how we should all see it

[pearl steeple]

😦

[weary bluff]

you are not a land owner from what i see, we paid 1.5 years ago 600$ for t1's and from what i understand we are owed 5% from all beyond purchases

[bitter phoenix]

I’m afraid you know nothing about me and what I hold. Don’t assume it

[weary bluff]

just checked roles, relax 😄

but ive seen u around, i remember u

[bitter phoenix]

Roles only allow one role to be selected.

[weary bluff]

thats easy to fix, @whole spear

😢

[bitter phoenix]

Ilv role is more important to me so I can be a part of governance discussion

[radiant sky]

Thats News to me

[bitter phoenix]

Oh sorry it’s wallets my mistake

I couldn’t remember why I could only have one role. I hold stuff in different wallets

[vivid cipher]

Here’s some info.

[pearl steeple]

Ty 🙂

[vivid cipher]

Should there be a proposal for illuvium land holders to be able to chat in governance channels?

[blazing ferry]

yep, doesn't make them voters for council, but at least allows a voice in governance

[broken roost]

I agree, no disrespect is needed. But also no respect has been earned yet. If anything, respect has been going downhill for a year and a half now, from when land was sold

[blazing ferry]

Would you respect council if they forced Illuvium Labs to release the game next week as-is?

[bitter phoenix]

I am frustrated as well but will not resort to calling people names. Goes against my morals.

[amber atlas]

I think its clear we need to do something to reward Land Holders prior to Open Beta. I'm not sure if a direct RevDis is the best idea, but its certainly an idea. As I mentioned I have posed some reward ideas which are to be taken to council.

Even if Open Beta were to launch tomorrow (it wont, just a hypothetical) it would make sense to have some kind of catch-up reward such as increased Fuel production share for a period of time.

[polar cosmos]

hmm?

[amber atlas]

I've written the proposal... @noble quest can you share this with council if you haven't already.

Pinged him about it also.

[blazing ferry]

It wasn't really intended to be revdis, just what was proposed in #1186709194435469332 (ok, not the best name, lol)

[amber atlas]

Yep, description in thread makes sense. I would note that the idea I've pitched and mentioned above is not this. Its a bonus that is not tied to revdis. (Although it could quite possibly be mutated to fit).

[blazing ferry]

Yeah, I'm guessing that's completely different if it's just a "thank you" type reward. Whereas this proposal is probably something that should have been there from the start.

[broken roost]

Nope

[broken roost]

Agree

[blazing ferry]

What do you want them to do?

[craggy shoal]

Looking forward hearing this.
Do you see any problem with what I’ve posted in https://discord.com/channels/760344898200666112/1186709194435469332 ?

And yeah I know I titled it poorly 😅

[whole spear]

I believe they made it so you can connect multiple wallets with the bot now

[ashen palm]

hey all, are there any news about IZ on iphone?

[bitter phoenix]

Thanks. 🙏🏻

[bitter phoenix]

Not yet

[ashen palm]

would be great if we can play on iphone soon

[gleaming swallow]

Any news on minting window?

[fervent slate]

I agree.
Looking forward to it.
I hope it is not a blue print.

[broken roost]

i would like them to spend more time, effort and resources on what regards illuvium zero, as it fell well behind arena and overworld. They are all supposed to be one big ecosystem, instead zero is a mediocre game to say the least, compared to arena and OW, two well deserved AAA games

[livid tinsel]

There is 5 biodata right? After that no point scanner?

Rightttt

[little moon]

yep

you can sell the scanner(s) and build more material labs

[livid tinsel]

Awesomeee

[subtle frost]

So I do not need Singularity Scanner but material lab to get the the Blue print

so I will remove the singularity?

[fair temple]

Yes you can 🙂

After getting all 5 biodata you can remove the scanners

[subtle frost]

I haven't played Zero for a while and I forgot I needed to use the Material lab to find the blue print

and I wasted all this time waiting with the singularity scanner

😦

how many days before last day for finding blue print

Hope for the best

[vivid cipher]

Probably at least 3-4 weeks still. Not sure though.

They aren’t wiping the game yet

[little moon]

you still have time

good luck.... looks like a nice setup

also to mint the BPs once you have found all of them (15 in total), you will need to build zero point transducer

[subtle frost]

oh when do we do that?

did they anounce minting of the blue prints?

[little moon]

no, not yet

[subtle frost]

but I need that machine?

on my land?

[little moon]

currently the only info we have about minting is it will start before Christmas and there will be a window of about 4 weeks to mint

[little moon]

yes... you can build that after you get all the 15 blueprints

[subtle frost]

okay..

how many do you need?

[little moon]

just 1 is enough at level 1... no need to upgrade that

[subtle frost]

okay.. I'll just keep it there.

until they tell us to mint

and then we can start minting with that one zero point transducer

[little moon]

yep

[subtle frost]

thanks

[analog inlet]

@potent dock please add to the governance chat for "land revdis" on my behalf as I have not linked my wallet.

@craggy shoal

You are wrong in the assumes that land owners are owned somthing . No land owner is at this point or will be until the game goes live and Fuel goes live . ONLY then are you owed your 5% and then again only on in game FUEL based Purchases.

Please explain ** how you can be owed anything when the fuel economy is not even LIVE yet**

I cannot fathom why Land owner keep thinking they are owed somthing. Land is just another RETAIL purchase like a shirt jacket or a coffee mug only it comes with a "bonus" of a 5% fuel based revenue pool that is spread amongst all land owner based on the fuel their land produces and they trade to in for the ETH pay out witch is NOT revdis .

There is a huge differences between 5% eth payout for land owners and REVDIS

ILZ
Not part of tokeomics

• 5% of total Fuel Token related sales only - not passive as in you have to play the game and produce fuel to get your share and dependent on how much fuel each individual landowner can produce as higher tier land can produce more fuel so will inherently earn more dependent on the effort of the individual landowner

Revdis.

ILV staking is What the tokenomics are built on staking the token and passively earing revdis
100% Of ALL Revenue form ALL sources (-5% of the fuels sales designated for landowners) (Stakers still get 95% of all fuel rated sales)

[craggy shoal]

Land owners get 5% of all in-game revenue. Illuvium Beyond is a game. D1sks are in-game purchases.

It’s very simple. I’m not trying to change anything. I’m just trying to ensuring land owners get that 5%.

In a perfect system all in-game purchases would be in fuel, but fuel doesn’t exist yet while we have in-game purchases.

[analog inlet]

No they are not ---Who bought fuel tobuy them ????? if i t was not a fuel related purchase its does not COUNT!!!

[craggy shoal]

I don’t understand this statement.

What part do you not agree with?
That Beyond is a game? Or that land owners get 5% of in-game purchases?

[analog inlet]

IS the fuel economy live yet ? NO Is overworld in open beta live mode ? NO --- -there fore there are NO in game fuel realated purchases

[analog inlet]

That is wrong. They get %5 of FUEL related purchase

[vivid cipher]

But all games are supposed to be selling via fuel purchases.

[analog inlet]

Fuel is a specifc thing ...its is not being produced yet....

[craggy shoal]

Fuel is a system to ensure that 5% for land owners. Just because fuel can’t be produced yet doesn’t mean land owners shouldn’t get that 5%

[analog inlet]

Fuel is only for things like travel ,crafting , etc etc etc

[craggy shoal]

It’s tba what fuel will be used for. But that doesn’t play a factor in land owners getting 5% of ALL ingame purchases

[spring jetty]

thank you for your service sir

[craggy shoal]

I do what I can. Thanks!

[analog inlet]

@bitter glade @noble quest @vivid cipher @craggy shoal

Aaron / Kieran thank you for your time in reading this

Can you please setting this dispute and clearly define what fuel based My belief that it only based sales on which fuel plays apart in for example limited to the below
In Illuvium: Overworld

Hyperion is used to --- > cure shards and capture Illuvials, <---

Solon is used to --- >craft weapons, armor, and other upgrades, <------

Crypton is used to ---> travel to different regions. <-----

Its been my understand that the only thing that land owners get 5% are the in game fuel purchases as per above.

Is this correct ?

If no can you please define what exactly " In game purchases" mean

[craggy shoal]

Johnny seems to think it makes sense.

[craggy shoal]

is it a game? Is there a purchasable item within that game?
Yes to both means in-game purchases.

[analog inlet]

https://tenor.com/view/im-going-to-have-to-disagree-i-dont-agree-skeptical-otherwise-im-gonna-say-no-gif-14537737

I propose putting this on pause till Aaron or Kieran provide and exact definition.

[craggy shoal]

I’m in no rush. I would like to hear their thoughts as well

[spare sleet]

hey peeps, zero to loading takes forever. what about you guys?

[spring jetty]

Im more interested in their progress for mega city

[bitter phoenix]

Some details would be nice for sure

[iron laurel]

I'm interested in that too.

[vocal flume]

What’s the current benefit to buying illuvium zero land now?

[random cobalt]

Soooo I think I pretty much know the wallet that has a land I want (they have like 25+ lands) and I don't know how to get in touch... any one else dealing with this/ have any suggestions?

[random cobalt]

Access to private beta I believe (overworld)... and more time to practice and strategize your city building

[random cobalt]

Access to certain blueprints too. More to come in the future once game is open

[whole spear]

Maybe post the lands your looking for in #🛒〕land-dex

[amber atlas]

The rule has nothing to do with Fuel purchases. It is for in-game purchases. The rule drove the idea that Fuel is used for all in-game purchases, not the other way around. As a clear example IAP for Credits inside of Illuvium Zero through Google Play store would defintiely count as in-game purchases even though its not the purchase of Fuel.

Beyond D1sk sales revenue counting as in-game revenue is something <@&814435151307866142> will have to decide, and I would suggest it is important enough to require an IIP so there is no doubt.

[blazing ferry]

Were you able to read the thread in there or are you just blindly swinging here?

[fierce fern]

The 5% discussion is a good Point.

I see Land always as this cool little Project and i think the solution could be with the blueprints.

The 5% percent would be nice but i would prefer some Special blueprints for early users.
Like the Game would be so much fun for me to play and Test if there are still more blueprints to find.
Like 100 pieces of lvl 3
That would keep Land prices much higher.

Sure would be also some work but much less then the 5% solution and so much more fun.
I dont like beyond always so unlucky there.
But give me the Chance to find the 1 Special blueprint in Land and i would max out there.

[blazing ferry]

You're saying that land owners are SOL if the DAO wants to release more games and bypass the fuel system and the 5% revenue to land holders promise?

[tulip perch]

If I recall there was an IIP to exclude iluvitar sales at one point but for how long I cant recall it was voted in

[amber atlas]

Was it only in service of saftey pool? Honestly I can't remember, but will look it up.

[amber atlas]

There are roughly 6k types of blueprints (for now, presumably more later as we add sets, and what not). But they wont be in the Alpha. We aren't looking to add more to the Alpha at the moment.

[hearty cradle]

yes, i prefer this. we had a proposal for this but got turned down because of workload

[fierce fern]

Yes i know and i liked that concept from the beginning and still do.

But with all the delays and the prices of Land dropping it would be such an easy and cool solution.

In the Future i would also love to see that you can find stuff what your Ranger can use in the overworld.

Special Events to keep it exciting with so many posibiltys what can be good for brining the Games more and more together.

[amber atlas]

We can't reward things from the Alpha gameplay because its client side and easy to cheat. The Alpha blueprints are an exception as they are intended to be a small early access reward, which anyone who plays the game for a while can get. We have some basic cheat detection and there's not really incentive for people to devise complex cheating mechanisms, and worse case if they do its not a huge deal.

If we made rare blueprints available then there would be significant incentive for cheating.

---

If you mean blueprints that can't be minted, purely just as a fun gathering thing ... thats not so big a deal, and something that could be considered (although it may cause some confusion). Not sure how many people would actually want it though.

[severe sparrow]

My 2 pennies worth - People's feeling that they are 'owed something' comes from the sale happening in June '22 and the team at the time (naievly I guess) suggested the game would be up and running (and earning) by the end of the year, so we're now c 12 months late and it's not inconceivable that it will be 2 years post sale that Open Beta (and earning) goes live. The early blueprint access was supposed to be a reward for early land holders. I'm happy to hold onto land and not be rewarded, given we know what happens with game development, but others whose land has dropped in ETH and more so in $ value have wanted extra rewards to compensate in some way.

The team know all this of course and its been debated to death tbh

I personally have never seen Beyond rewards as part of a landholders revenue and would prefer a landholder's revenue to be purely fuel sold to people playing overworld (much cleaner). I'm a T1 landholder and ILV investor since late '21.

I back Johnny and the team to find a nice way to compensate the landholders without too much dev time which they're already looking at

[lost walrus]

would prefer to allocate resource to get more people playing the game as the current state slightly worries me. It is just the beginning offcours but it is so important for land value in the future.

[amber atlas]

Glad for your vote of confidence, but I also have no problem with people requesting more. That said although I can comment on impact and feasibility its ultimately the wider Illuvium community and council that needs to be convinced.

[severe sparrow]

Yes, that's the sense I've got, that the team understands the requests and is looking into it.

[vale dragon]

is this mail real or not?

@amber atlas

[lost walrus]

scam

[lethal wyvern]

DMs are scams

Mods and Team members will never DM you.
Never trust advice or links received in DMs.

Beta access, giveaways, and promotions are not given out via DM. Scams are designed to trick you into installing malicious software to gain access to your wallet or to convince you to enter your seed phrase into a website. Never give your private key (12 to 24-word seed phrase) to anyone.

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[vale dragon]

thank you.

is it also scam?

[lethal wyvern]

DMs are scams

Mods and Team members will never DM you.
Never trust advice or links received in DMs.

Beta access, giveaways, and promotions are not given out via DM. Scams are designed to trick you into installing malicious software to gain access to your wallet or to convince you to enter your seed phrase into a website. Never give your private key (12 to 24-word seed phrase) to anyone.

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[analog inlet]

@blazing ferry @craggy shoal @amber atlas Found this is extreamly clear regarding this matter

[vast badger]

When does the Open Beta Start? Is this the time we can earn money with Illuvium Zero and won#t get reseted?

[fair temple]

Should get a new roadmap update past thursday when the team's sprint finishes 🙂

The open beta release (which hasnt happened yet) would be the time where you can play and potentially earn if you invest/grind well 🙂

[analog inlet]

@craggy shoal @blazing ferry

From IIP-20 Revenue Distribution
Landowners will have the opportunity to earn revenue from players in the main game ( meaning Overworld) through the novel use of a Balancer multi-token Weighted Pool. They will do so by swapping fuels they generate in-game for ETH. On the other side, players in Illuvium will exchange ETH* for fuel and use it to complete all transactions in the game except for trading between players.

The target will be for landowners to earn approximately 5% of the total revenue generated from in-game purchases in Illuvium.

Even IIP-20 spells out how landowners earn .

which is exactly what i was stating in the above post

"Can you please setting this dispute and clearly define what fuel based My belief that it only based sales on which fuel plays apart in for example limited to the below
In Illuvium: Overworld

Hyperion is used to --- > cure shards and capture Illuvials, <---

Solon is used to --- >craft weapons, armor, and other upgrades, <------

Crypton is used to ---> travel to different regions. <-----

Its been my understand that the only thing that land owners get 5% are the in game fuel purchases as per above."

[lost walrus]

do you have land?

[analog inlet]

If the game does not use a Fuel token YES.

The only thing the land owners were promise was 5% of all games that use the Fuel token an generate revenue with that token

[analog inlet]

No I actually DYOR and learned as much as i could and I found the ILV staking was better suited to my financeal goals .

[lost walrus]

figures 🙂 ok. No problem

[severe sparrow]

I own land and 100% agree with him

[lost walrus]

I have no clear opinion in both sides but as I saw above posts multiple times I wondered

Personally I just want the game to thrive and get some good ROI in the long run

[ocean haven]

land ROI will be laughable(especially after waiting 1.5 year), its a good time to sell land to get even and buy something better

[analog inlet]

@craggy shoal even here Aaron specify. Anything that "costs fuel" So for example if its not bought by paying Hyperion solon or crypton ( FUEL) it does not qualify for the 5%

[lost walrus]

For me. coins are shares in the company // land is asset your hold like you own a bookstore from a big company and get part of the profit// the ingame stuff some collection stuff as art ... and in the end the illuvitars just fun stuff (stickers and such in real life)

[lost walrus]

LOL, then you dont believe in the vision of the game. Allthough at the moment, with these login numbers, you are right

[ocean haven]

i've been where you are like a year ago

for the land owners to get more the DAO have to giv something up, and the DAO have to approve that wont happen

[lost walrus]

have also land from start and I do understand the power of DAO does not help land owners but then we have to trust the game designers?

[ocean haven]

also i seen people from counsel say land is not a investment but a web3 game

i just gave up, tbh i dont care about land anymore

[lost walrus]

the overworld is good fun and the arena is nice (allthough I suck :p) Zero is only good when something is at stake but ok

[lost walrus]

expensive one lol // and I do understand where you are coming from. You are not the only one thinking like that

Zero is not a "game", not good enough to be labeled as a real game

fun for a short time and longer with stuff at stake but otherwise

[pure fable]

it will improve trust me 😉

[lost walrus]

that is what I hope/count on + promised ROI. Did an investment as I believed in the project and seeing overworld/arena I think they can do it. But Crypto is still labeled as dangerous and to get the needed mass will be interesting.

[ocean haven]

even if it was i dont think it justify the price. i also think they mislabeled it being web3 land, but people understand web3 land in different ways.

[pure fable]

yeah the game should look like a normal Web 2 game from the outsite. Do not mention the NFT aspect. Just let the people come for the game. And they will be surprised that they have something of real $value afterwards.

[lost walrus]

very expensive "game" indeed

[lost walrus]

seems you did not buy land because of this so you also think Land is undervalued?

[analog inlet]

I wrote some stuff about what i understand as the ROI between staking ILV and buying land back in 2022
#💬〕general message

[lost walrus]

for 600 dollar you have one T1 land => 6-7 Illiviums coins at the moment. So you need to compare T1 land revenue vs 7 coins revdis. Will be interesting

This is current situation offcours and changes all the time

At that time ilv coin was 1000k + so you did not get one full coin

[analog inlet]

you know now what will perform better $100 of fuel related income $5 goes to the land owner pool $95 goes to the REvdis pool - not hard math

[lost walrus]

think you forget something or ignore it? 🙂

[analog inlet]

?

[lost walrus]

1 coin on 6,1 million coins Versus percentage you get for a tier 1 land

[analog inlet]

I don't understand

[lost walrus]

you get 1/6,1 million of 95 dollar VS 1/100k of 5 dollar

if second is 1/1million then the first is a better deal (without extras like bleuprints and such)

and second part will be diluted further down the route as more land wil become available

[analog inlet]

That is inaccurate though---- became the revdis pool also includes all other revenue form every other source. soo if $100 was the fuel related income for the month say tere was $1000 revenue form other sources for that month so then it becomes land owner pool $5 Revdis pool $1095

[lost walrus]

quick (raw) calculation and it is about 1/88k at the moment

[lost walrus]

That is another discussion; should disk be bought with Fuel

[lost walrus]

how would you/do you get 1000 revenue from other sources? made up number or real idea?

[fading comet]

I am currently building my lands. What happens to the lands if I disconnect my metamask wallet from my illuvium account and reconnect later? Can I continue the construction where I left off before disconnecting?

[analog inlet]

IMX fees , Illuvidex fees , Merch sales , cosmetic sales movie rights lots of stuff bascially anything that is not fuel token based ( there were stipulations added to Revdis to - certain stuff like production costs for merch form the "revenue" before adding to revdis pool

[polar cosmos]

I would just like to remind you that land players obtain items on L2 Immutable, and when trading them, they also receive the so-called trading rewards, i.e. additional IMX tokens, something that the ILV staker himself will not receive 😉

[lost walrus]

lets say 1000 euro fuel profit and 1000 euro extra. So you have 50 euro land profit and 1950 revdis.

50/88400 vs 1950/6 100 000 => 0,000566 for the land owner vs 0,00032 for revdis.

above is just an example

2500 extra will be the turning point => then you have 2500 + 950 from fuel => 3450/6 100 000 or 0,000566

[analog inlet]

im going to log thanks for the chat@lost walrus

[lost walrus]

all based on quick calculations :> if someone could give me a better Land approximation, I can do it better

[lost walrus]

same, interesting talk

[cyan dew]

when blueprint minting?

[empty path]

https://tenor.com/view/illuvium-illuviumio-ilv-yield-farming-gif-22225026

[blazing ferry]

You're using quotes from the founders and IIPs that predate Illuvium Beyond by over a year. The most recent quote you've cited predates Illuvium Beyond by 7 months. Things do change over time and there's certainly new information today.

I don't think you can take quotes that old and apply them to today's situation because if you look at the intent of land from the beginning and the vision for this ecosystem, it just makes sense that all games would tie into the ecosystem and not just be limited to overworld.

It's not like the founders disappeared 16 months ago when you last quoted them, we can get their updated opinions on how Illuvium Beyond fits into the ecosystem without trying to hold them to quotes from 2 years ago before Illuvium Beyond was even a thing.

[radiant sky]

To be fair, beyond iip is older than Land iip.
It's just that beyond isn't really beyond the ecosystem anymore and rather be considered a game and getting implemented into the ecosystem what is new

[blazing ferry]

Wow, that's interesting! I did not recall knowing about beyond at the time of the land sale. Thanks

[radiant sky]

I just joined when Sale happened, but was quite surprised when i did some General digging a few months ago

[blazing ferry]

I still look forward to an updated vision from the founders. It seems there are plans to continue weaving beyond in closer to the core games with a potential TCG that uses both illuvitars and illuvials and also the essence. In general, I'm not sure how it's bad for anyone that fuel would be used more in the economy.

[radiant sky]

Yea a general updated vision would be nice for sure.
The passt vision was clear to me, approx. 5% of ingame purchase goes to landholders. to ensure that, purchases should be payed in fuel with the sell ratio of 19:1 (dao:Land)
With the headstart of beyond it got a bit complicated. First it wasn't a game, so it could easely be sold in ETH/silv2 and nobody cared. But over time beyond investors pushed for it being more. (Essence, possible cardgame, and pushed for it being a game so they can implement leaderboard with ingame rewards)
It also sounded Like all Games will be fuel Driven, yet Arena is completely free of fuel usage.
It seems the Vision is changing from illuvials will be the driving assets and fuel is needed in every game to, additional Games (appart from ow) will be free2play or start their own additional asset Line(illuvitars) needed to play it.
I still hope it stays close to the original idea rather than getting into a sales machinery where you have to build up a completely new asset line for playing a specific game in the ecosystem, and fuel is just used to get one of those asset lines and ignore the original statements of Land earning aprox. 5% of all ingame revenue.

It's also a bit funy how everytime there is an iip about zero community is talking about the "greedy" landholders, when at the same time beyond bags are doing exactly that and are actually sucessful with it, but nobody cares 😄

[blazing ferry]

Well, you could be hitting something right on the head here. That fuel may really only be used for overworld where you capture Illuvials, create skins, and craft equipment. Other long-term future games my be f2p provided you have these from overworld, but maybe there are other ways to monetize those. Not sure how to further monetize arena and if that would even make sense. I'm not saying this is good or bad, would just be interested to hear the vision again.

[celest wagon]

2 years greedy revenu 0$

[blazing ferry]

yeah, sad to see these discussions devolve into people pushing what's best for their wallet where land holders are somehow always the bad guys

[craggy shoal]

I see this same screenshot and interpret it differently.
The only thing clear to me is that it’s not clear at all.
I’m hoping to clear that up.

[radiant sky]

Asked here and there when founders were chatting, but got kindly ignored.
Maybe asking again while an iip is being prepared gives enough attention to that question being answered 👍

[blazing ferry]

yeah

[radiant sky]

He leaves out that this was written with the Intention all ingame purchases are priced in fuel. 🙃

[craggy shoal]

If fuel was out right now this discussion would be around whether all in-game purchases should be in fuel or not. I think there’s a great case for that.
But for now fuel isn’t on chain so we need to come up with another solution temporarily.

[craggy shoal]

Yes. What I keep saying is that fuel is the mechanism used to get land owners that 5%, but it’s the 5% in-game revenue that was promised.

If we don’t hold that standard than any and all new games in the future could choose to just not use fuel and land value would plummet.

[radiant sky]

Yes, fuel is the mechanism to ensure those 5%.

If they intend in future Games to not use fuel, they basically have to come up with Solutions to ensure Land gets the 5% of those ingame purchases

[blazing ferry]

People who voted down may have received this better if you had started with the IIP to use fuel for D1SKs first, and then looked at sales before ILZ was out later.

[radiant sky]

I guess it's also the Wording revdis.

[blazing ferry]

definitely

[radiant sky]

Wrong Wording, even called solar back on Stage with that 😂

[blazing ferry]

haha

hard to blame him, first impression is not good!

[craggy shoal]

I’ve actually had that drafted up for months now, but it’s hard to push that out when fuel isn’t on chain yet

[blazing ferry]

why?

[craggy shoal]

I definitely screwed up the wording 😅

[craggy shoal]

Why isn’t fuel on chain yet? IZ hasn’t fully released yet. There’s no way to create the fuel right now.

[blazing ferry]

No, why can't the discussion start until fuel is on chain? I *believe/hope it's been established that wave 3 won't be released until the game is out, just propose it starts upon ILZ release and wave 3

[craggy shoal]

Yeah I guess the discussion could start, but that doesn’t solve the problem for what we do until then.

But as I’m typing this I see what you’re saying. If we establish that first then we say “okay so what do we do until then”

[blazing ferry]

exactly

[radiant sky]

*wave 4 😜

[blazing ferry]

if people agree d1sks will be sold in fuel in the future, it's easier to have a discussion about what to do with revenue before fuel existed

I don't think it's too late either. If you put this new discussion thread out there we can shift most of the discussion there and things will be a bit clearer as the focus of the proposal is narrower.

[blazing ferry]

wait, what? are you just saying he should propose starting with wave 4 to allow more dev time? wave 3 will still be after open beta launch won't it?

[radiant sky]

Will it? Idk not sure bout that

[blazing ferry]

I know...it concerns me too

I need land to start generating something so I can afford d1sks 😄

[radiant sky]

If i Look ar the roadmap, what has to be done for open beta and where we are now.... Considering passt dev Updates i don't See open Beta happening before wave 3

[blazing ferry]

True, guess I've been holding on to hope that wave 2 will be extended again, but now it's getting too late to do that without significant pushback from the beyond group

and they're catered to the most right now as they provide all current revenue, so allowing them to solidify their leaderboard ranks ahead of game launch is just accepted

[radiant sky]

Yep

[radiant sky]

Don't See extending Sale happening, is that a thing being discussed? Just remember some Big bags didn't Like the extended sales.

[blazing ferry]

No, but it should be if open beta is pushed out again

which I assume will happen, but could be pleasantly surprised 😄

[blazing ferry]

@craggy shoal

[craggy shoal]

Ah. There already enough support that I can draft a proposal for a vote on what’s there.
I don’t have to draft it exactly how the idea is presented as long as it has the same fundamental purpose.
I could include this in the proposal.

I guess it will come down to the ICC on whether the proposal aligns close enough to the idea.

Fortunately we have an ICC meeting in a few hours so I will discuss this with them then.

[blazing ferry]

Awesome, looking forward to any of their feedback you're able to share or if they're able to post directly on this. Also, I'd be glad to review any drafts ahead of posting if you want

[idle parrot]

anyone have any idea what the price of the next lands in the next land sale might be?

[lusty crag]

Nah, land was the biggest chunk of money which was brought in - by far! And we were promised so much ... and what we have gotten from it - paying such high prices at the dutch auction is a joke.

[lusty crag]

If there is no delivery of any of the made promises, close to 0 I guess.

[idle parrot]

pashence dude. the land will have mutch use once open beta comes out. you will make hundrets if not thousands just off of the fuel

[idle parrot]

0usd?? why?

[lusty crag]

Time will tell, if we do not get far beyond the active players which we have right now in arena - I doubt it.

[lusty crag]

Well, have you heard anything from Megacities being ready for launch - I haven't; all I heard of the last months was beyond, beyond, and beyond again.

If I had 10% of what we know now about Illuvium Zero, I wouldn't have spent $ on it.

[lusty crag]

Regarding its delays and attention about Illuvium Zero, which it got compared to a relatively young Illuvium beyond game - especially considering that the land sale brought a nice 8-figure sum into the books of Illuvium labs if I remember correctly (don't quote me on that) - around 20 million.

But that's my opinion for now - which may change if there is some positive development, hopefully soon!
I had a lot of anger and skepticism about the development of Illuvium Zero. I was still holding on to my lands and Megacities, believing that the great Illuivum team would come up with something to make up for all the delays/mess with Illuvium Zero.

[idle parrot]

at least the price of land went up, if you don't like it just sell your land and make an extra buck

[lusty crag]

LOL, prices went up, are you saying?

Well, we're far from the prices many paid during the Dutch auction, with so many promises from its promoters that almost none were kept due to known delays.

Which plummeted the price by more than 75% at its peak for some buyers.

So everyone who was betting on it and investing money and needed the cash instead of these NFTs (lands) were screwed.
But I mean, for sure, it was everyone's responsibility - luckily, I wasn't one of them and could keep my lands without being forced to sell.

[idle parrot]

what was the initial price of a tier one land?

[lusty crag]

But since the Illuvium team has shown that they are not one of these crypto teams, announcing at some point that they are done and closing down.

I have big hopes that they will get it right in the end!

Do your own research; this is in no way any financial advice!

@molten mulch regarding your comment, "token ruining it and not land," - LOL

You know that land buyers were the most significant contributors (community-wise) back then, so Illuvium Labs is still financially afloat, right?

[lusty crag]

For reference:

#1186709194435469332 message

[empty path]

All money from land sale was used as revdis 😅

[lusty crag]

Ahm and Illuvium Labs and its core founders aren't any token holders. Did I miss something, or what?

[empty path]

Yes, Illuvium labs has token and they did get a bit of revdis from it. About 4000 ETH was used for revdis, the rest was sILV2.
So the land sale didn't do much the the financial benefit of the project. Saying the land sale kept them financially afloat is just ...
Yes, the founders have tokens. Until today these have not been used to fund the project and imo they shouldn't.

[lusty crag]

And those who received these revenue distributions didn't get this money from those who bought land, right?

Oh wait, yeah, they did!

[lusty crag]

Oh wait, 4000 ETH is not much?

You must be one of these mega whales who bought ETH at its ICO price of around $ then!

But 4k ETH is quite a lot for revenue distribution, which was re-invested by some back into Illuvium, which kept them afloat with Illuvium beyond.

Coming originally from landholders.
And saying that sILV2 is worthless isn't right either since it burned some of the initial supply of ILV already quite significantly.

[empty path]

4000 ETH divided by 6 million is not that much, no.

[radiant sky]

Why divided by 6 Million?

[empty path]

Not sure how many tokens are getting revdis atm. It's an estimate.

[lusty crag]

Are you for real, bro? Yes, it might not be much - but considering that most of these revenue receivers from these 4000 ETH were community members and not some thieves who ran away with it - what do you think happened with it?

Well, guess what? People using their revenue distribution mostly reinvest/re-buy assets of the same asset class.

[radiant sky]

Yea but you guys talking about what it helped for developimg illuvium, right.
Last time i watched the dao had mir than 1 token staked

[empty path]

Having 1000 tokens staked would got you $60 at that time if I remember correct

Might even have been $6, it's been a while

A lot of people didn't even claim them cause it's not worth the gas. So your "guess what, mostly reinvest" is completely wrong.

@small star do you remember how much 1 ILV got you in revdis after land sale?

And maybe even how much token Illuvium labs has staked

[lusty crag]

Whether it's 60 $ or 6 $, you got my point that most of these 4000 ETH were flowing back into Illuvium Labs books since people/fans love what has been created so far - and it's genuinely unique/amazing!

I'm genuinely asking myself what's so hard to acknowledge: the original money that kept Illuvium Labs afloat, besides VC funds/founders' funds, came from LAND BUYERS in the Dutch auction.

You can turn it however you want. Ultimately, it comes down to the same point I just made above.

And if the community hadn't declined Kieran VC's offer to the DAO, we would have never had to talk about runway cause back then; this could have funded us all along without even a safety pool - but many try to squeeze that out of their memory!

[empty path]

It doesn't

[lusty crag]

Well, then, you are unwilling or unable to accept/understand the underlying facts of my statement.

That's alright for me - but do not contribute as someone who pretends to understand if you do not; no offense!

Cheers.

[lusty crag]

Okay, you know what I genuinely do not like - last but not least!
Accusing someone (me) of being completely wrong but not basing his own accusation on facts or data compared to the other person.

That's what a child would do; I'm having this conversation obviously with one - and just for the record, such a great project shouldn't be run by children.

It needs authentic leadership to succeed in this competitive environment to get anywhere close to success!
Sometimes, I ask myself why Illuvium Labs is doing this to itself, like being run by a DAO with a community that changes the narrative every time it fits in - without proper research or knowledge.

I'm not saying that I know everything better, but at least I do know what has happened and been promised and what promises have been kept.

[empty path]

If you think insults will make you prove your point, this DAO actually might be in trouble.

[lusty crag]

I guess you heard the saying, what you scream into the forest comes back to you.

[empty path]

You just said I'm a child, you think it's ok to go into the forest all by myself? 🥺

[lusty crag]

Well, that's what I assumed based on the facts (conversation).

Are you saying you are one with that by now?

[small star]

RevDis / ILV $1.3

[empty path]

Nah, once again: You are completly wrong.

[lusty crag]

But you know what? This is far from the topic anymore.

I didn't mean to offend you - so if you got offended by it, I'm sorry, buddy!

Cheers.

[empty path]

Here you have your data. With 1 million tokens staked that's 1 month of runway.
THANK GOD THE PROJECT IS SAVED

finacially freedom for all, praise Philipp

[storm sun]

Hi folks has there been any news on when the Alpha Season one will end, so basically when will be the window when we can mint our illuvials? Tx

[empty path]

No official date has been announced yet. The goal was Christmas so I assume we will get a date soon.
Some team members are probably taking the Holidays off for a well deserved holiday so I personally think they will do it in January

[storm sun]

makes sense. thx for the intel

[lusty crag]

I'm not saying with all that, just for the record, that the proposed idea from @craggy shoal will be solving all our problems with Illuvium Zero!

My point of this whole conversation is that attention has to be drawn to Illuvium Zero, considering the amount of money spent on it by Illuvium Labs (development) / people who bought land!

[empty path]

Feel free to discuss that proposal in #1186709194435469332. I already downvoted it.

[small star]

1.3$ actually, not 1.5$ (using ETH price at the time make a bit of a difference)

I'm worried asking what's going on seeing all the big CAPS

lol

[empty path]

Thanks for the feedback but don't bother. Don't think he is actually reading.

[hearty cradle]

👀

[lusty crag]

Or by god that it's the only one who might be the right one to move forward - I'm open to consensus.

Still, there has to be some positive outcome for all parties to be calm and happy, and it truly doesn't feel like that one half of the party is trying to find a solution, which makes it so frustrating!

[hearty cradle]

whats going on here

[empty path]

Just the usual chit chat

[lusty crag]

Okay, so you downvoted it based on your stomach?

Without even trying to contribute to a solution, are you for real or just an absolute joke? 😂

[empty path]

Did you even read it? I actually posted in the topic.
Once again, insulting people doesn't make you smarter or right about something.
Are you ok?

[small star]

I can feel tension in here

[empty path]

Think he might need a hug

[small star]

Yeah.... no.

Jag?

[empty path]

Jag loves hugs

[hearty cradle]

yo

[lusty crag]

The one who is insulting and started from the beginning with it is genuinely you, bro.

At this point, I do not see any point in conversing with a child with such a low level of respect.

Cheers.

[empty path]

3rd time is a charm, hopefully his goodbye is genuine this time

[hearty cradle]

should i backread

[empty path]

Nah not worth it

[small star]

ILV eligible to Revdis 5,938,124 (ESTIMATE!)

Illuvium Treasury 1,138,902

[lusty crag]

And you're calling yourself a community council? This becomes, by the hour, more and more hilarious. @hearty cradle You should.

[hearty cradle]

i read

[reef jasper]

Good times

[empty path]

Hey, I was pretty close with my 6 million estimate. Look at that.
Maybe I do know the data, who would have guessed

[small star]

Yeah 1.1M

[hearty cradle]

how about more utilities for IZ

[reef jasper]

MILVGA

[lusty crag]

Lucky shot, but by making random guesses, you won't come far as an entrepreneur trying to run a successful company.

#DAO

[hearty cradle]

im sure we can work something

[small star]

Oh boy, I'm not going to answer this one

[reef jasper]

That's the Jag I voted for

[small star]

the #DAO made me pee a little

[hearty cradle]

[empty path]

Yeah Lucky shot. Might be. That's also how I was lead mod for 1.5 years and I am the #1 ranked in this discord.
Do some research before you start talking nonsense.

[lusty crag]

Would you timeout @empty path - I would genuinely appreciate having a serious conversation within her and not such a childish one.

[hearty cradle]

you need to ping the mods

[empty path]

Why would I need a time out? I didn't insult you once, you insulted me 4 times now

[hearty cradle]

hes a dude btw

[empty path]

So offensive

[reef jasper]

💄

[hearty cradle]

how would u feel if IZ get more utilities, like exclusive landowner illuvitars, title, emotes, skins

[empty path]

I'm confused, he wants to have a conversation with me by muting me?

[hearty cradle]

some perks in OW

based on your land affinity

[lusty crag]

If you call out somebody first, do not expect them to sit still and accept it.

Unreal, you have been a mod in her.

[reef jasper]

🤤

[small star]

woke

[empty path]

Cheers

[small star]

To be fair, land owner have been butt-savaged with a cactus

2 years of waiting happily with a jpeg and clicking on building. While we all wanted a simple thing to make us fuel and money lol

[lusty crag]

<@&795142782133207063> Moderators - may you make a present to all of us and timeout @empty path ; based on his first accusation on me, I would appreciate the pre-Christmas present!

[empty path]

rofl
feel free to read back up mods. About 4 insults towards me
I just provided data respectfully

[hearty cradle]

yea, and u guys want regular updates too?

[small star]

Damn, I had to check

[hearty cradle]

yes. It sucks. while beyond gets weekly ILV

u guys prefer the regular updates posted on website or in a special discord channel

[empty path]

There are updates on the website?

[small star]

There are updates ?

[hearty cradle]

yes

lol

news section

[empty path]

The more you know 🤯

[hearty cradle]

i see IZ updates are pinned here

[small star]

I mean projects are 2 years lates and still not connected to the blockchain.

That doesn't need a 20min read news you know. 1 sentence is enough. lol

[empty path]

Don't think a lot of people read the pinned messages

or news pages on website

just complain 😄

[hearty cradle]

all right

https://tenor.com/view/skeletor-well-my-jobs-done-my-jobs-done-my-job-is-finished-my-work-here-is-done-gif-23927755

[empty path]

You did good Jag, you even made a new fren

[radiant sky]

Or poke in open wounds to get people angry

[hearty cradle]

everybody loves jag

jag loves u back anon

[empty path]

Yeah I did see you do that before in general, not very helpful imo

[radiant sky]

Lol

[hearty cradle]

IIP to mute betty for 2 years?

[empty path]

Wouldn't that be ICCP?

[hearty cradle]

hmmmmm

[empty path]

You just don't want me to get rank XP

[radiant sky]

Screenshot?

[molten mulch]

i don't even see why i should respond to you sorry not sorry

[hearty cradle]

so what kind of utilities you'd like

aside from d1sk sales

[empty path]

wdym jag?

How are D1SK sales connected to IZ utility?

[hearty cradle]

usually nft value increase with more utilities

what they should have done is offer land staking, the reward could be production boost or speedups

[lusty crag]

Probably be better this way since it does not lead to any consensus nor a worthwhile conversation based on the things you are writing in the other channel anyway.

Cheers.

[empty path]

Are you proposing IZ D1SKs? What am I missing here

[hearty cradle]

yea could be

exclusive landowner illuvitars

[empty path]

I'll have to discuss with my land owner

[ocean haven]

we are going to have a great community of token invester and no gamers with the way this DAO thing is going lol

[hearty cradle]

we asked for battle board but got turned down

but im sure we can get it passed if u guys insist

[empty path]

Oh I actually upvoted the battle board one

[small star]

Simple.

"Beyond players" have to

• buy ETH
• move ETH on IMX
• buy fuel with ETH
• Buy disk with fuel

= Disk give revenues to land owners

[lusty crag]

Let's go HYPE🚆 😂

[hearty cradle]

40k+ token holders
8k+ nft holders
4k dau

[empty path]

Don't think it's a great idea to give the backend team more work now. Wouldn't want land to be delayed to get on chain because of this

[lusty crag]

= 20 active players in arnea with 4 smurf accounts each?

[hearty cradle]

kieran said viper got 85 so

[small star]

Land has never been and never will be delayed.

[lusty crag]

Yeah sorry the math is to complex for kids. @empty path

[small star]

damn

[ocean haven]

could you add some context

[lusty crag]

[hearty cradle]

we need to get our community to play the games

[empty path]

Do me a favour, let me know how many warnings you get for all these insults.

You also shouldn't spread misinformation btw

<@&795142782133207063> gonna have a lot of reading and warning to do with this one

[molten mulch]

this is all i got to say #1186709194435469332 message

[lusty crag]

#🎮〕illuvium-zero message

I want to remind everybody about this message.

[lusty crag]

Fair enough.

[cyan dew]

When Blueprint minting? It's only a few days left. Is there any announcement about the whole process how to mint everything?

[empty path]

Feel free te remind them more up where you started the insults 😉

[empty path]

Nothing official announced yet. I assume it will be next month because of the holidays

[cyan dew]

Next month?????

[lusty crag]

Pointless, I will not get baited another time by you.

[hoary forge]

Good that I don't have to deal with this stuff anymore in less than 2 weeks.

[cyan dew]

I thought christmas

[ocean haven]

i agree, we need to attract gamers, with the DAO making decisions the way they do i think its going to be hard (btw only talking about zero here)

[empty path]

Christmas is in 5 days and no announcements. I don't think we will get them during the holidays
I could be wrong ofc 🙂

[cyan dew]

.

[hoary forge]

We still get a new update roadmap this week.

[lusty crag]

I would go insane after a day; respect to you - that you have made it for that long, thank you @hoary forge

[empty path]

Well still the same, no offical date announced yet 🙂

[molten mulch]

especially when what motivates most of the proposals is: how do i get more money for myself or how can i take advantage of this new proposal, rather than what's good for the project's success.

[empty path]

He had a good teacher

[ocean haven]

100% i see a lot of this too and it scares me, make me not want to buy illuvium assets

[cyan dew]

I would be pissed if we get another "classic" delay

[empty path]

Why do you need those blueprints so urgently?

[cyan dew]

Because I am waiting 2 years for that

[empty path]

When it comes to minting, I rather wait. Wouldn't want another contract exploit

You can't use them anyhow, why do you care so much

[cyan dew]

Bro I don't wanna wait anymore

only delay the whole time

[empty path]

I can give you an Illuvitar?

[radiant sky]

U can't really think there isn't going to be other delays 😄
We supposed to be in pb4 right now, yet we just started pb3...

[molten mulch]

I feel you mate... I do... but that's just web3... most people here are here for the moon etc. trying to make lifechanging money, and that's obviously not always in line with the interests of a gaming company. But all in all i think we've made a good job as a DAO so far avoiding and shuting down most of the non-sense

[small star]

There is 0 official update on games status and timeline for months, an outdated roadmap and a few pinned posts all saying the same thing "we on track buddy" and "but we've a lot of things to do"

I wouldn't keep my dirty panties waiting for any release of IZ lol, 2 years late and still not connected to the blockchain, going to take another 2-3 months, but then the audits, and....

Courage. Determination. Patience.

Trust the team bro, they know best.

[lusty crag]

Let's be for real her.

Well, everyone who buys certain assets from a promising company without the goal of making some money from it - is either joking or not taking himself seriously.

LOL

#NoFinancialAdvise

[cyan dew]

Lmao I have already my patience for 3 years here and we get only delays

[small star]

We all there sadly

[empty path]

I got a level 3000 land plot

[small star]

😐

[molten mulch]

agree to disagree? 🤝
I really don't wanna go further in a debate i already got 10 trillion times in this community once more, sorry mate

[lusty crag]

One of the problems I see is perfectionism, which is undoubtedly one of the most significant delays caused by many other things.

I'm not saying it hasn't to be beautiful, but what I'm saying for sure is it doesn't need to be perfect from the very beginning.

#WorkInProgress

[small star]

my T4 is only 880, got my blueprints 6 months ago lol not touching this shit anymore as it'll be (for unknown reasons) reseted

[hearty cradle]

yo im here to make money

and hopefuly help others make money too

[lusty crag]

Who isn't?

But from somewhere, we will need the real gamers!

[ocean haven]

i was probly just hoping for a DAO by/for the gamers, not another greedy bunch of investers, we have plenty of that in web2 😛
I do agree the DAO is not all bad, but if you try to touch there income, i guess we see there true colors, and thats why zero has ended up in such a bad state

[small star]

yeah that's the Illuvium curse for the past 2 years lol

This team do not know iterations, there is no phasing a release here, no sir, no no no.

1 or 0. All or nothing. Single or Harem.

[lusty crag]

I see some truth in it. But wouldn't sign it.

[hearty cradle]

lets work together to add more value to IZ

[lusty crag]

This might be the most significant barrier to success for this studio, but I hope it doesn't become the reason for failure!

It would be a massive shame for a promising game studio like Illuvium Labs.

[molten mulch]

They are here and they see, all of you just trying to use them as exit liquidity... you spoke earlier about betty's ability to become a succesful entrepreneur but if you know that topic, don't you think that serving well your customer and making them feel welcome and appreciated is one of the keys to success?

Is that how you think gamers feel when they read the discussions in the ecosystem like the words you just said in this chat?

[small star]

And why complain that an investment vehicle has been repurposed as a game. But a game that for land owner have sole purpose to make money, and that for normal gamer will have difficult to bring any replayability or sense of achievement.

Why complain.... heee.... OK maybe there is 1 reason or 2 XD

[small star]

Well we've 9 months I'd say. After that it's a prayer we need.

[lusty crag]

Let me be clear: yes, I am highly interested in a great game. Do I want Illuvium Labs (StartUp) to be a successful investment? Yes, I do - do I plan to sell my assets, which I own about Illuvium? If Illuvium keeps on track and its promises, I will not!

So yes, I want the best experience, but as a young company, you need to be flexible and adapt fast; this amount of perfectionism, manifested in the characters, is not so easy.

Well, is this a bad thing, especially if you do not have a money printer like Jerome Paul?

[lusty crag]

I guess so, since at some point, you will run out of money, and with no money as a start-up and no beautiful player numbers, well, there is a vision you still could sell to a VC, but at some point, you find yourself in a circle which kind of never ends.

[small star]

I have and saw a lot of people wasted a lot of energy trying to challenge the team. Never worked lol.

You can't fight the "IBG" narrative/excuse.
You can't fight the "games are always late" narrative/excuse.
You can't fight the "you're not a web3 dev" narrative/excuse.
You can't fight the "we are a DAO but we do what we want and ask for a validation later, maybe" narrative/excuse.

[molten mulch]

there are a lot of narratives/excuses missing but I agree with this

[cyan dew]

Do you think that we will be able to mint our blueprints this christmas?

[small star]

Yes Jag, do you ?

[small star]

You know I've a sreenshot of @whole spear saying that everything is on track.... 2 days before announcing a delay on PB3.

Then.... PB3 is delayed.................. 2 months.

💀

[lusty crag]

As much as I love Illuvium and its games, I'm worried we might get into something with the delays/perfectionism, which won't bring us into mainstream adoption.

However, I still haven't given up on Illuvium; I only give up letters, but not such a promising project so quickly!

[small star]

"might get" ..... You're in it for 2 years already 😂

That said, i'm still not clear on giving more value to land owner than can double the current floor of land in value (= amount lost since the sale)

[lusty crag]

Fair enough.

[lusty crag]

That's the reason I haven't. Whereas I can only speak for myself.

Everyone has to come to their own conclusion about the risk they are willing to take.

#NoFinancialAdvise

[hearty cradle]

[small star]

https://tenor.com/view/tick-tock-samuel-l-jackson-darius-kincaid-the-hitmans-bodyguard-times-up-gif-18233387

@empty path you here ?

[empty path]

Sup

[small star]

Revenues Wallet
$380,458

ILV to buy
4108.6

Current RevDis per ILV
$0.0641

[empty path]

[fair temple]

Since the safety pool was filled!? Nice.

[small star]

RevDis for the team = 2 days of expense

[empty path]

They probably still have to give a cut to TL?

[small star]

Oh and the 5$ for the tournament ... woops

then -10 days

[fair temple]

Lfg

[hearty cradle]

need to sell more jpegs

[blazing ferry]

haha

[small star]

TL added 88 new wallets to illuvitars

Maybe. Just, please, listen to me. Maybe, we need another strategy than milking the community.

🍼🍼🍼

[vague tide]

Any update on minting time?

[broken roost]

You'd think we had one by now

Sadly no

[cyan dew]

[torpid relic]

Trying to reinstall Illuvium Zero but the website won't give me the install file. Keeps telling me to login. Is Illuvium Zero still playable?

[cyan dew]

[frozen finch]

It is for me

[polar cosmos]

better to have good quality delays than being part of BigTime players

[hearty cradle]

we sold 8k d1sk. looks solid to me
just a bit more?

[hearty cradle]

guys

im pretty sure you can ask for cosmetics

as per announcement, we are incentizing people to play arena by giving out emotes

well i havent seen emotes for IZ players

[blazing ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/looking-around-searching-gif-23507714

[bitter phoenix]

I have tried this. It did not work. We are the forgotten children

[blazing ferry]

should have gone all in on f2p

[twilit ibex]

Any zero news in last ~6mo? Last i knew was blueprints carry over and everything else is reset. Already got all original blueprints.

[bitter phoenix]

No changes to that so far. Just wait for the announcement for the mint window which should be soon. Have you built a zero point transducer on each plot of land? You will need these buildings in order to mint.

[cyan dew]

Hopefully the announcement will be really soon

Really hyped

[twilit ibex]

Building it now. Havent used it yet. I thought everything will be reset though? I thought it was only for multiple lands, ill check it out.

[bitter phoenix]

You don’t use it until the minting window is open. Each land plot will need one. Just lvl 1.

Everything will be wiped before open beta

[twilit ibex]

Good to know tyty 😄

[grand silo]

88 new wallets hmmmm. just my opinion but illuvitars have been a complete distraction.

[compact gate]

when minting?

xD

[little moon]

as per present info, before Christmas

but looks like it's not gonna happen....

just 5 days now and no announcements yet

[compact gate]

really? i don't believe anything anymore. "when minting" was just a joke. they don't seem to care about zero anymore. after the landsale all went downhill

[little moon]

yep, looks like that

looks like they are more inclined towards arena and ow

[compact gate]

guess we'll just have to wait

[little moon]

https://tenor.com/view/hang-on-gif-27524073

[timber sentinel]

damn, good thing I check here once in a while, got all 15 blueprints a while ago, didn't even THINK about the zero point transducer!

thank you!

[little moon]

wen fuel sales

wen keep blueprints

[bitter phoenix]

There should be plenty of time once the minting window opens for those people who haven’t build one to do so think.

Best to get it all done as soon as possible then you don’t have to worry about it

[vivid cipher]

Fuel sales: When the other games launch. So the fuel has a utility.

Blueprints: an announcement about the minting window should be coming by Christmas. But I still expect it before the end of 2023. 🤷

[little moon]

Even if I have to wait until 2024, that's fine with me. So far the product has been exceptional within its three games.

[analog inlet]

You completely ignored this "no" and are continually trying to skew working in your favor after I showed you multiples sources that corroborate that " in game purchases" mean everything and want a piece of everything that every sold instead of what i point out which what was try to make everything sell for fuel. You are trying increased land revenue at the the stakers and change the very definition of ILV form a Retail mini game with a bonus to an somthing that resembles Revdis and give land a higher ROI again at the stakers expense that was not agreed upon. The all the harping on Beyond which is a completed deferent product . All the landowners acting like there victims and being treated poorly ether becase they did not properly read all the documentation about what they were really buy distastful

And Just becase i know this is going to come up

** No I do not hate land, landowners or anything connected with ILZ**

I have a problem's with landowner always playing the VICTIM
I have a problem with landowners always stating they want more or its not enough than what IIP_20
I have a problem with landowners thinking that everything regardless of what it is is now " in game purchase" and deserver a piece of everything
I am tried of the Delusions of grandeur comments of how important the landowners/ land sale was in a financial context.

All i want is for land owners to Respect the terms of the agreement -- You bought RETAIL PURCHASE a limited spot to play mini game that will only ever have 100 000 entry points to play. that happens to have a bonus of 5% of ONE source of revenue .

[broken roost]

I wonder from what perspective do you find Zero an exceptional game?

[little moon]

as a whole it was exceptional

3 games in 1

[broken roost]

Ok I see what you mean, nvm then

[broken roost]

I'm pretty sure we are fine with getting anything at this point 😅. Not more, not less, just something for having invested and tested the game for everyone to play later on

[craggy shoal]

I see this screenshot and I see exactly what it says, however I’ve spoken directly to Aaron a lot more recently about this and the what was spoken contradicted this.

[analog inlet]

@bitter glade could you please elabrate on this ?

[craggy shoal]

All I’m saying is it is not clear. I would like to get some clarity too. But like I keep saying. Beyond is a game and has in-game purchases. 5% of that should go to landowners. Maybe D1SKs should be purchased through fuel, but fuel doesn’t exist yet

[broken roost]

thats still like 3 bucks on average per plot im pretty sure 😅 . Although i agree, it should count as in game purchase

[analog inlet]

Your proving my point .......beyond came beofre the land iip ever existed ---if it was ment to be part of it it would have been added to tthe land sale iip

[craggy shoal]

It’s really more about future proofing it to me. The return right now would be very small, but I want to know that any and all future games will be run on fuel and give the landowners that 5%. That’s why I hold my land because I believed as the ecosystem expands my land will gain more value

[craggy shoal]

You don’t need to specify Beyond or a kart racing or fps. You just need to know all in-game purchases for all current and future games are included

[broken roost]

Completely agree, i thought the same and that was the idea that was sold in the begginig. Sadly Zero has been put aside, doesn't feel part of the proyect anymore

[analog inlet]

<@&814435151307866142> reposting my request to get some validation on if this is correct or not .
I have posted various other statements from multiple people in screenshots also below the quoted post

[craggy shoal]

Right. If you base it solely on fuel than the team could easily choose not to incorporate fuel into any future game. I don’t think that would happen, but why take that chance when we can just say 5% of all in-game purchases

[analog inlet]

You don't see that as greedy ? you don't see that as changing the agreement ?

[weary bluff]

the truth about ilv zero is that it exists only because it boosted ilv token and burned silv2

[craggy shoal]

You want 95 to 100, and land owners want 0 to 5

Who’s greedy? Haha

[craggy shoal]

I dont see this as changing anything. I see it as assuring what is supposed to happen happens

[broken roost]

it is clear Kieran said 5% of all in game purchases, and it was also clear that landowners would limit the amount of fuel produced. Aparently those were lies, nothing more, nothing less

[craggy shoal]

I’ve heard this said many times. I dont think they were lies.

[analog inlet]

The differences is ILVstatking an investment when stakes for revdis and supported by the Tokenomics -
Land is Retail purchase with a bonus no deferent that a jacket or shirt

[craggy shoal]

Land is supported by the tokenomics as well. Except fuel hasn’t been implemented yet

[analog inlet]

Oh really i must have missed that in the white paper --can you please quote me the section of the white paper so I can read it and become better informed

[craggy shoal]

Fuel is part of the tokenomics, fuel is produced by the land. Is that not how you see it?

[analog inlet]

what is said in video and what is documented can be 2 differently thing -- documentation usably prevails but in this case Kieran also corrected themself

[craggy shoal]

I don’t remember the context of this exchange as it was well over a year ago.
I do agree documentation should prevail. But the documentation is up for interpretation here.

Honestly, I’m not even sure why we keep going back and forth. This idea has the community support to go to a vote. If the ICC passes it through it will be up to the main council to make a final decision on it. I have trust in them. If you’re right then you have nothing to worry about and they’ll shoot it down.

[broken roost]

i mean saying you misspoke after the lands were sold......

[analog inlet]

Again buyers responsibility to go by the documentation DYOR due diligence etc --- not make decision based on what they see on a video .

[vestal spear]

Was he talking about land or something else? Solar please show the rest of the conversatin Kieran is talking about

What was this about?

[craggy shoal]

The good thing is that this is a DAO, things can change. And if the wording does not reflect the goal that can be changed as well to be more clear

[analog inlet]

Depaending on the change . If this passes it will be a betrayal

[craggy shoal]

I disagree

[craggy shoal]

I need to go to bed, but in case you missed this I’ll leave it here @analog inlet

[vivid cipher]

It certainly did burn sILV2 but I’m not sure it ever caused ILV to go up (except the little bit during revdis).

[vivid cipher]

#💬〕general message

I’m surprised I found it. Discord mobile search is super clunky right now.

[vestal spear]

Good Job! I had to read back a lot but Nijafe was talking about the same thing and Kieran said he misspoke. Got it!

[wary zealot]

Why need more material labs?

[vestal spear]

For a better chance of finding a blueprint

[rugged zephyr]

i have 3 Blueprints on each Illuvial. cant find more. is that the max ?

4 Illuvials 3 Blueprints 3 Facts each

[vestal spear]

5 Biodata there is one more out there

[severe sparrow]

Minting announcement either way should be imminent

[amber atlas]

@noble quest is (currently) finalising minting window with <@&814435151307866142> , as well as getting at least an in priciple agreement on the bonus rewards (not blueprint related).

I would expect an announcement on both either today or tomorrow (although I expect the bonus rewards probably need a formal IIP before they are definitely in).

[weary bluff]

oke and hows silv2 related to ilv, i mean it must contribute in some way to ilv

burning silv2

[vivid cipher]

It’s one of the possible rewards you can claim as an ILV staker.

[lethal wyvern]

Claiming Rewards

When you stake ILV in yield farming, rewards will start accumulating for you. However, you'll need to manually claim these rewards and pay for the GAS fees of these transactions.

You can choose to claim the rewards whenever the pile is big enough to justify the gas fees. If you claim sILV2, it will be unlocked right away and can be used in-game as a substitute currency for ETH outside the marketplace and the Leviathan Arena. If you claim ILV, that batch of ILV will be locked for 12 months and automatically staked in the ILV pool with a token weight of 2.0 for compounding effects. And the process starts over again with new rewards accumulating.

Please note that ILV paid out as part of Illuvium’s Revenue Distribution must also be claimed, but they are not subject to a locking period.

[vivid cipher]

Burning sILV2 is like burning the coupons I gave to Wendy’s when I bought my frosty and fries. It does not mean anything.

When rewards are claimed as sILV2 instead of ILV it means that less ILV are minted.

If you want to know more about #🥩〕staking I’m happy to help guide you in that channel.

[amber atlas]

Although ultimately it reduces the total supply it won't have much affect at all staight away (maybe, minus some particualrly savvy individuals using it to make decisions) because the staking reward ILV isn't hitting the market immediately due to 12 month lock.

Burning doesn't make price go up directly, it stops additional ILV hitting the market over time and dilluting supply and thus value.

[vivid cipher]

Reducing the maximum ILV token supply reduces the fully diluted value. Which some will consider to be an important number (I think it’s just a meme).

[amber atlas]

Sure I'm the first to admit that a lot of crypto market patterns make little sense.

The traditional thinking would be that the company has a value based on what it does, revenue, staff, IP, etc ... so the fully dilluted value should reflect that value. Less tokens for same value = higher price.

I think long term that is true, but short term its the wild west.

[weary bluff]

so why does silv2 exist then?

oh ok i read

so then the land indeed was created to boost ilv

[vivid cipher]

Well my understanding is that it was to provide a way for ILV stakers to be able to use some of their staking rewards in the game, since it was originally going to launch before vested ILV rewards would unlock. But instead sILV served a different purpose. To allow stakers to sell their rewards during the bull run for significant return.

[vivid cipher]

Sure. Maybe it was supposed to. But it never did. That’s what I was trying to say.

[weary bluff]

alright so what about land owners, why dont we get some free disks for supporting the project and boosting ilv, im super annoyed that silv2 was allowed during land mint and now the excuse for those 72m $ is that it was mostly silv, who tf makes those decisions, fucks up not just holders, but also the project it self

just to support some unrealistic price of ilv

lets be real, ilv doesnt cost 1700$, it cant.

[vivid cipher]

The price was that high due to staking and limited supply in the market.

[weary bluff]

yeah and many bought on 1700 and will never get their money's worth

just artificial bubble

but i bet many made shit ton of money during that time

which are probably the guys defending ilv atm

ill be down if theres a refund option to return the land and take my money back, exactly what i paid in $

u think such proposal is possible?

[quaint prism]

This seems more related to the #💰〕token chat than IZ.

[weary bluff]

no its not, everything is connected

[amber atlas]

I mean thats how crypto works, I really don't see a point in this conversation. Yes Illuvium is a DAO with a crypto token, and like many tokens the price fluctations are wildly 🤷‍♂️

The decision to use sILV in land sale was discussed and widely agreed with community, voted on by council.

[weary bluff]

hahahaha theres whyyy, mfs staking ilv and taking silv2 and then using silv2 to fuck us all up

ofc they voting for it

[vivid cipher]

Land owners did not vote for it?

[weary bluff]

land owners didnt exist before land sale

[vivid cipher]

I know. It was a joke.

[amber atlas]

I think he is saying council voteed by ILV holders, and ILV holders want to be able to use sILV as they have it.

[weary bluff]

council is filled by ilv holders, which is why it must be removed

it ruins the game and fucks up the real supporters of the project

im tired of hearing that council decided some shit, fuck that council, council should be filled only by land owners and their ilv bags should be irrelevant

[amber atlas]

That sounds kinda ridiculous. Why is a land holder any more real than an ILV holder?

[weary bluff]

cuz ilv does nothing for the game

land owner is directly supporting the game

[amber atlas]

Right so if Beyond holders say out with Land Holders we actively spend money all the time and play the game that would be fine?

[weary bluff]

isnt beyond just some pictures

[amber atlas]

The best arena leaderboard players know more about the games than anyone, maybe they should be the decision makers?

[weary bluff]

what does it have to do with ilv

yall just decided to make some $ from jpegs that have no purpose

@craggy shoal u think a refund proposal for land owners is possible? for ilv to return our money spent for lands if we want to refund?

i think that would be the best way to approach the situation

give us our money back and let ilv holders run the project

nobody will care at that point

[quaint prism]

The ILV token is what ties everything together and enables it to be a profitable game. Idk why you're so mad. I did my own research and it all made sense to me, which is why I decided to support the project.

[amber atlas]

I was trying to make luducrious points to show how ludicrous your point is. Replace one voting group with another, presumably becasue you belong to the new group, so thats the one true group that should make decisions.

[weary bluff]

no its because ilv does nothing for the game, it has nothing to do with the game , it was just used to make money

[trail forge]

LOL you're not getting a refund. You made a bad investment so just deal with it man. It happens

ILV is used for governance and revdis

[weary bluff]

well they kind of promised shit that didnt come, so i believe we are entitled to a refund

[vivid cipher]

It’s the governance token. Of course it controls things.

[trail forge]

The game got delayed. It effects everyone

[weary bluff]

its not used in the game at all, is it ?

in none of the games

[amber atlas]

Its a share in the DAO. Just like share holders hold shares in a company and vote in a board. The DAO structure gives much more input than a typical company, with the board being frequently relected, providing opportunity for feedback through chats like this, and through technical enablement which might move us closer and closer to a 'pure DAO' ... but its still the same bassic structure.

[vivid cipher]

Land is the economic backbone. Land owners are the unionized workers.

So it rather makes sense that the two groups keep ending up at odds with each other

[weary bluff]

ye but one group has no vote, has no rights, gets nothing

and is always fucked

for 1.5 years

[trail forge]

Yes thats how the governance works

[vivid cipher]

You must be making a point. What is it?

[trail forge]

Why would land owners get a vote in governance?

[weary bluff]

because we bought 20 000 lands

[trail forge]

So?

[weary bluff]

and directly sponsored the development of the games

its basically our kids

[trail forge]

How much money do you think the team got from selling lands?

[weary bluff]

why should i care what they took, they decided to use silv2, not me

[vivid cipher]

Land owners are the Nannies at best.

[amber atlas]

But the thing you bought was not connected to governance? It never was. Its fine to propose it, but its also fine for others not to agree.

[trail forge]

Land Owners do not get votes, they get 5% share of fuel sales

[vivid cipher]

ILV was sold to support the development as well. And it was sold first. And it was sold last

[weary bluff]

oke so our only choice seems to be a refund

if i understand correctly

[amber atlas]

In any case, we have several rewards coming:

• The minting window will be announced today or tomorrow.

• I think it decidely likely the council will vote for my reward proposal.

• Its very reasonable to discuss with council a 5% share of Beyond sales to Land Holders. It might not get through, but its reasonable.

• There is a general awareness that there's not much forward facing 'love' for Illuvium Zero, we want to work on this.

(I say forward facing as there's lots of internal stuff, including several additional hires)

[trail forge]

There will be 0 refund

You can sell your land on the market

[weary bluff]

who tf cares about those useless blueprints

thats not a reward

[amber atlas]

But Fuel is?

I thought you were all about the game and stuff that lets you play the game...

[trail forge]

The team is not taking anything away from land owners. It's just delayed

[amber atlas]

Okay I reached my threshold, welcome to the list of 'Johnnys blocked people' ...the third one ever!

[weary bluff]

im talkin bout the blueprints only, that is the worst shit that could have been "rewarded" thats just an excuse with blueprints that 20 000 people can have

[vivid cipher]

Alright. Last few posts before moderation actions.

[weary bluff]

and nobody will buy, in reality

[trail forge]

Thats up to the free market

[weary bluff]

mint cost is probably higher than u can ever get for those

[noble quest]

You are just making assumptions.
My land will never be worth as much as I paid.
The total fuel I generate will never be sold for more than the lands worth.
The blueprints I receive will never be worth anything.

Why did you buy land then?

I know why I bought it. Yes it's delayed but nothing has fundamentally changed from when I first bought it. It's just taking longer. If your issue is I wanted all those things earlier then I can see your point. But there isn't anything we can do about it except get Zero out faster and reward people with the things Johnny mentioned are coming.

[quaint prism]

I think that we should in seriousness be mindful of the fact that land has taken longer to come online than ILV token or even Beyond, which has had great benefits for some time.

If we sell another 20k plots right around release and they sell at prices similar to the original 20k, then those buyers are getting a great deal compared to those who've waited IMO

[versed warren]

@weary bluff how much you want, ill buy your land.

[atomic steppe]

hey guy, what is the function of Zero Point Trancsducer? Is this internal testing phase useful

[frozen finch]

I believe you'll need it for the minting of blueprints

[atomic steppe]

More Zero Point Trancsducer, more better？

[vivid cipher]

No. Just one is all you need. At level 1 for now.

[atomic steppe]

just need one？

[vivid cipher]

lol my edit

[atomic steppe]

The higher the level of Materials Lad and Zero Point Trancsducer,the greater the probability of producing blueprints?

[vivid cipher]

No

There’s no reason to level those in this build.