🎮〕illuvium-zero

[radiant sky]

You said you are the Guy with facts? So somewhere it has to be stated, no?
Obviously i fell for the shill of the livestreams and didn't found anything written down telling me something else than promoted.
Also i don't blame someone, just gona sell them with a little loss... Shit happens 🤷🏻

[analog inlet]

You are free to believe whatever you want.

[hearty cradle]

it is not a fact
stop spreading lies

[radiant sky]

Seriously? 😅

[hearty cradle]

how do you say somethin in the future as a fact?

[cold brook]

do you guys reckon the merge is going to effect land prices?

[dusty agate]

We need someone from the team here, to say that lands are good too 😂😂

I dont want so much truth 😂

[ocean haven]

i would love to hear some good points on land having a hard time finding any 😛

[hearty cradle]

if the dev doesnt provide good value for land, its gonna rekt their reputation

[dusty agate]

I am not worried as i was not thinking about it like an investment. I bought it just to play , but i understand the people who spend 100k or 50k

[hearty cradle]

good luck selling anymore land

solar probab got 100 plots and just accumulating

[cold brook]

buy my last please haha

[hearty cradle]

polemos has 707 plots

[dusty agate]

Hope he spend some silv2 and got some :))

[hearty cradle]

and they are prob going to bid on T5

[ocean haven]

maybe land is just to access the mobile game part, would love to get a statement on this from the team

[analog inlet]

really expain why? if you can tell me how 95% of EVERYTHING ** will ever compare even 5 years form now to ** 5% from ONE Revenue source"* please enlighten me . Also I belie the value of blue prints is being higly specuated and drastically embellished nothing will be known about blue prints till live realistically people who insist that blue prints are golden ticket of land without the game being live and any actual stats really cant be reasoned with at this point . its been etched in stone in their head no one is going to change that not even worth trying

[hearty cradle]

no reason to reason with the unreasonable

[dusty agate]

I mean not only IZ but also Overworld were we ll need fuel.

95% of rev. Is good but it also costs something to keep game running and u may get 0

[ocean haven]

i think it makes 100% sense for Overworld, but for land i think the team need to make sure new people that buy land know its just to access the mobile game part, for the ecosystem as a whole

[dusty agate]

Dont think that are many people going to buy land before game is released at least alpha version.

[topaz mauve]

I am kinda happy I joined 😄 I wanted to FOMO in 10ETH on land, and I feel like now I will just wait and see how this whole thing unveils.

[ocean haven]

100% theres not we can see that no one is buying land 😛
but my point is i think we wanna make sure people know its just for mobile access or we could end up with many new people coming in getting upset

[analog inlet]

you could still play on pc with bluestacks

[worn scaffold]

I totally agree with that, let that be clear. I'm definitely in favor of doing your research well before you buy anything.

But the proposal I made is just to make it more attractive to landowners. Something which has been partly thought about in part and will certainly benefit landowners and future land sales. The remaining 80% of land also needs to be sold, the better the conditions the higher the prices will be and the more income for Illuvium.

"Some People seem to think there should be amazing "investment ROI" that compete or is equal to staking which is a misconception."

This is your point of view, I'm 100% sure that this could be ajusted to any changes in the future.

[analog inlet]

This is your point of view, I'm 100% sure that this could be ajusted to any changes in the future

Anything is possible but will need to be discuss, have a community support , Then iip it self will have to be written discussed and passed though council vote . That will be a war IMO but who knows no one can tell the future

[empty path]

Wtf happened here, I'm not reading all of this

[dusty agate]

Imo T1 and T2 are not too expansive there wont be any questions if like they could give u like 50$ in a month. But when u payed for T3 or T4 it has to be worth of the money spent. I have no idea how its gonna work and what people think about their investments. Think most of those expansive lands were bought for silv 2 and theres no problem with it too

[analog inlet]

its better that way . Just another episode of " things are not fair for landowners"

[worn scaffold]

Of course. And that's the reason I ask in my proposal that we have a proper discussion sometime about how it can possibly be made more attractive to landowners.

I don't understand why you are not in favor of this, as it is going to benefit the game, the landowners and ultimately the staker.

[analog inlet]

1. the game is not out there are no facts or statics to go on .
2. Everything was stated in the IIP .

[worn scaffold]

I think you are complety wrong about our proposal and why we ask for this. This is not about 'it's not fair', this whole thing is about 'how can we improve certain things'.

[analog inlet]

Based on what facts or statics not coever in the IIP ?

[empty path]

Tbh I don't think you'll find much support to change something that's not even launched yet

[worn scaffold]

Well, you are saying 'things are not fair for landowners', that's not the point of discussion.

[analog inlet]

I disagree. its exactly the poitn

[grizzled remnant]

https://tenor.com/view/guy-arguing-guy-talking-to-wall-talking-brick-wall-gif-18667615

[worn scaffold]

How can you say this when it is a proposal written by me, with some ideas from others? 😅

[analog inlet]

Exactly tryingto reason with unreasonable landowners i s exactly like this thanks

[empty path]

Btw Kieran is going nuts in #💬〕general

[ocean haven]

I think 50$ a month would be pretty decent with the chance of getting BP's too.
But not sure about the higher tier's will be interesting

[grizzled remnant]

I was imagining us talking to you 😏

[analog inlet]

your premise " improve things " ( "not fair" ) my seitmemt Nothing should be improved

[analog inlet]

well i guess we all have our interpretations

[worn scaffold]

Because you think so, while others think that there should actually be a look at how it can ultimately become more interesting for landowners.

Small side note: this is not because I think the potential rewards are bad, this is because it could be even better.

[ocean haven]

Bacisly land is part of illuvium if land fails it will hurt illuvium as a whole

[analog inlet]

Ass long as long it does not take anything way form stake holders /overworld players make anything exclusive that already isn't ine . But you are talking about exclusivity and i am completely against that

[worn scaffold]

And by having some things done by landowners, and through which they will get more potential rewards, ultimately no one will be worse off for it.

In the end: The demand for land will increase --> higher incomes at the next land sales.

[worn scaffold]

Exclusive blueprints created by land owners, will that take anything away from the stakers?

The chances to find a pet for example neither.

[hearty cradle]

i dont understand why solar dislike land so much

[worn scaffold]

Me neither 😦

[analog inlet]

Ill edit stake holders or general overworld player. --

[hearty cradle]

please stop spreading FUD on land solar

why is he even commenting on land affair when he doesnt have one?

seems strange

it's not like you can short land

[analog inlet]

@worn scaffold #💥〕leaks-discussion message
Aaron | Illuvium — 07/02/2022
Not every skin will come from blue prints. But we want enough that landowners are rewarded and have fun.

this was the design your proposal changes said design and takes stuff away form overworld players and stakers

[little moon]

Hello

some date for play Zero?

[empty path]

Not yet

[worn scaffold]

In my sincere opinion, I don't think any of the examples I mentioned in my proposal will ultimately come at the expense of the overworld player, the staker or the arena player.

It will probably be partly at the expense of Illuvium's direct sales, since exclusive blueprints are no longer sold by direct sales but then by the land owner. But the land owner also incurs costs for creating etc..

(besides; I hold more ILV then land, so I'ts not even in my advantage as well) 🙂

[lusty breach]

Bro it doesn’t matter that lands get 5% and stakers get 95% and other revenue sources. What does matter is how much you are paying for X% of revenue. All your calculations make no sense if you do not check how many USD you need to spend in both of these two options to earn X% of total revenue. According to my calculations which were done at the time of land sale, spending 1 usd in land sale would give me around 5x more % of revenue than spending 1 usd in ilv. That does not include staking and other revenue sources so I decided that AT THAT TIME it was a reasonable decision to buy land with my silv from staking. It doesn’t mean that the calculations are correct now - prices changed so I am not sure about buying land now but my point is that your assumption that 95% of revenue decided by ilv is more than 5% decided by all lands is wrong because what matters here is the COST you need to pay to receive a certain % of revenue. To make my point clear, if land was prices at 1 usd per land you would be getting huge amounts of revenue compared to that cost and buying land would be a much better investment than buying ilv.

[analog inlet]

I don't agree with your interpretation. We can agree to disagree.

[lusty breach]

It’s not an interpretation. It is math.

[dusty agate]

How u can calculate anything, the game is not out yet.

[empty path]

https://tenor.com/view/guess-whos-back-shrug-gif-11192287

[ocean haven]

its literally math

[analog inlet]

yes does it take into account what your even will be when the 5% is distributed amongst 100 000 land when fuilly sold ?
You forget the 5% will be diluted over time.

Does it take into account how much fuel you are able to actively generate on a daily bases ?

IZ earning are Not passive and Again not all landowner will make an equal amount of money

staking is passive 95% of EVERYTHING

SolarStorm | Polemos — Today at 5:30 AM
its more than that though you buy a share of netflix they wont divide 100% of all revenue brings in to all its "shareholders"

According to Netflix's latest financial reports the company's current revenue (TTM) is $31.03 B. In 2021

Revidis would distribute -----> ALL <-----of that 31.03B to the wallets that have active ILV stakes locked or unlocked

It seems your interpreation is missing key components to your " math" as even how much would even .5 of 1% of that be for REVDIS?

[worn scaffold]

The sale is of course a dutch auction, and not necessarily prices that are fixed and given by Illuvium's team. In that respect, I don't share your opinion on this.

What I was thinking is that since the February proposals and maybe even longer ago, a lot has changed. Changes when it comes to ILV Z, it started as a mini game and eventually became a 'full' game.

Because a lot has changed during the period, I also think it is good to look at existing IICPs to see if it is still relevant and if changes need to be made there.

[worn scaffold]

Can we get Kieran to zero? 😄

[empty path]

Nah you guys have fun arguing about this

[dusty agate]

Can u like briefly say what are your expectations like how much rev. For 1 stacked ilv?

Maybe 10$ or 100$ i know its crazy to calculate it now but asking just about your opinion.

[worn scaffold]

In my opinion, this whole discussion is really useless. What Solarstorm is all about is that it doesn't harm the overworld players and the stakers.

The proposal I made does not affect either of them.

[analog inlet]

again i don't do the crystal ball thing this will be as clsoe as an example as i get

#💬〕general message
SolarStorm | Polemos — Today at 5:30 AM
its more than that though you buy a share of netflix they wont divide 100% of all revenue brings in to all its "shareholders"

According to Netflix's latest financial reports the company's current revenue (TTM) is $31.03 B. In 2021

Revidis would distribute -----> ALL <-----of that 31.03B to the wallets that have active ILV stakes locked or unlocked

how much would even .5 of 1% of that be for REVDIS?

[lusty breach]

My calculations were done based on the price most people paid for their lands which was pretty much the price the last land that was sold in each wave during Dutch auction. Most people bought close to that price and so did I.

[worn scaffold]

I understand you. But still it remains a dutch auction and Illuvium has nothing to do with the cost price of a piece of land. Therefore I find it hard to say that Illuvium should give a certain percentage to keep the land owners happy.

[dusty agate]

What share can sold fuel have in total revenue ? It maybe 80% or 10% . There are lot of unknown thing’s.

[analog inlet]

im not sure if this is what you a re referring to 5% goes to IZ pool based on how many land is in existence. (20k - 100k) 95% goes to land owners

Another thing people are not accounting for is that SILV-2 does not contribute to fuels sales or revdis.

[ocean haven]

i think his point is land owners will get a bigger piece of pie of the 5%, then token holder will get from the 95%, due to there beeing more tokens, and the token have more inflation.
i could be wrong here

[dusty agate]

No i mean 95% from fuel, and 100% from other sources will be 100% for total revenue.

So was thinking how much % can be that 95% of fuel in total revenue that game can accumulate

[analog inlet]

Landowerns only get Fuerls sales revenue nothing else

[dusty agate]

I am not about landowners

[analog inlet]

i don't understand your question then lol

[empty path]

https://tenor.com/view/bored-and-boring-gif-gif-25239913

[dusty agate]

Like if we say that total revenue from land sales from fuel sales from skin sales is 1B,

How much can be share of fuel in % from everything business can get

[analog inlet]

https://tenor.com/view/alexis-schitts-creek-100-percent-gif-19400836

[worn scaffold]

Those two things are different. Any sales from Illuvium will go to stakers and not land owners.

Every fuel generated by land owners, 5% will go to land owners and the rest DAO.

[dusty agate]

So i am asking that to someone who says that holdin ilv is better.

[worn scaffold]

In my point of view, staking ILV will create more value then holding land. But still, this is crystall ball stuff 😄

[dusty agate]

english is not my native sorry about that maybe i cant explain what i mean .

[analog inlet]

I explained that already.. if fuels token sales is $100 $5 goes to ILZ pool that is it nothing form any other source $95 goes to staking pool along with X amount form other sources

[dusty agate]

I know that. I am asking when there is 95$ left for ilv stakers. What share it can have in total revenue when u add money from other sources

[analog inlet]

100% i really don't get what your asking sorry

[dusty agate]

Not 100%

As you already collected money from land sale

[analog inlet]

that has already been distrubuted as revdis

[lusty breach]

I never said Illuvium should give a specific % of revenue to land owners.

[lusty breach]

Exactly.

Buying land gave you more revenue per dollar spent than buying ilv AT THAT TIME.

[dusty agate]

So if u add them to each other u get total number

[analog inlet]

Only until more land is sold %5 dilutes as more land is sold eventiually the 5% will be amongest 100 000 land

[dusty agate]

Like lands were worth of 70m and from fuel we got another 70m thats 50/50

[ocean haven]

Token will be FAAR more diluted

[analog inlet]

It will also have far far more reveune and revenue sorces to in its pool #🎮〕illuvium-zero message

[dusty agate]

Yeh sure but what can be main source selling fuel or other stuff?

Thats what i am asking

[ocean haven]

its back to the supply thing you dindt understand last time too

[analog inlet]

mabey but you don't understand that 95% of EVERYTHING will trump 5% of 1 thing everythime answer the math quesstion in the above link

[analog inlet]

Other stuff, other ips , merch trading fees illuvitar sales , books movies , etc. etc. REVDIS pool is literally every $ the dao makes form ANY source

[dusty agate]

If money accumulated from fuel (that 95%) will be main source of revenue lets say like 60% or 70% of everything then this 5% is not just 5% its much more

[ocean haven]

interesting
so if i got 100$
95% gos to 100 people
5% gos to 1 person

100 people gets 0.95
1 person gets 5$

but hey its just math you can disagree 🤣

[empty path]

https://tenor.com/view/math-calculate-confusing-figure-out-gif-6237717

[analog inlet]

https://tenor.com/view/your-math-is-wrong-wrong-wrong-answer-incorrect-miscalculation-gif-20558604

[ocean haven]

no facts lmao

[dusty agate]

Yes but you can add 10x income from other sources and make that 0.95 in 9.5$

[ocean haven]

sure but thats not what we talking about, we talking about fuel

[dusty agate]

That means they should get 10X more revenue from other sources.

[ocean haven]

other wise you can start talking BP's and now you speculate

math is a fact

[dusty agate]

At least I got something for myself from this useless conversation 😂😂

[ocean haven]

i mean when people disagree with math we know it cant go any lower 🤣

[empty path]

I'm not great at math myself but I don't think that math was correct tbh

[hearty cradle]

its still going on?

guys just give up

[radiant sky]

Yep he assumed 10mio ilv which is infact little less.
And 1 fuel Same price as 1 ilv which isn't correct aswell

[analog inlet]

@dusty agate @ocean haven i did the math for you .... as above netflix example
how much would even .5 of 1% of that be for REVDIS?
unless i did the calculation wrong even if you only get .5 of 1% of 3billion dollars you would still earn ***$150, 000 *** Passively for that year as a staker

[ocean haven]

no clue what you talking about anymore 🤣

and yes the math is wrong too

[analog inlet]

thats because you have no cluse on the subject matter you are discussing

[ocean haven]

fuel is split 5% to 95%, not sure why you have 1% and stuff in there, and its not 150.000, its 150.000.00 🤣

[floral locust]

reading general chat then jumping in here I feel like I'm in two different discords lol

[analog inlet]

@ocean haven serioslly you have2 or three people ( mabey more) teelling you you are wrong and still you refuse to accpty it

[ocean haven]

i mean im not the one that cant do math and disagree with math 🤣 sorry this is to low, enjoy your day

[analog inlet]

Because revdis is more than jsut fuel. You don't seem to account fortha - revdis includes every onther income sorbrce .

[dusty agate]

I am simply saying that revenue should be at least 5x more form other sources then got from fuel. Nothing else

[empty path]

Some people prefer to argue and then complain they missed the good stuff

[analog inlet]

you go live in your in your own world of reality ..... everything one is wrong an you are the only one that understand correctly apparently

[analog inlet]

https://tenor.com/view/what-agree-yep-this-all-that-gif-23211566

[ocean haven]

can only once again say - i mean im not the one that cant do math and disagree with math 🤣 sorry this is to low, enjoy your day

[empty path]

Don't point, you have been feeding them for 2h

[analog inlet]

You are bacislly saying 1+1 =3 ....sooo yea... can argue...

[elder badge]

https://tenor.com/view/why-not-both-why-not-take-both-gif-11478682

[ocean haven]

no you say 5+5 is 7 again i mean im not the one that cant do math and disagree with math 🤣 sorry this is to low, enjoy your day

[analog inlet]

https://tenor.com/view/the-good-place-idk-i-dont-know-confused-sorry-gif-16358122

[worn scaffold]

I don't think it's really arguing. I see it more as an interesting discussion from which something even better may eventually emerge. 'Just a different perspective on this ;)'

[analog inlet]

https://tenor.com/view/family-feud-survey-says-strike-buzzer-wrong-answer-gif-16312959

[empty path]

I see a lot of wrong stuff getting thrown around 😅

[dusty agate]

Act !!!

[worn scaffold]

Agreed, but this whole 'discussion' started with mis conceptions 😉

[elder badge]

As long as it is IZ related, let it fly @empty path

[empty path]

I did?

[elder badge]

You did

[worn scaffold]

To finish this discussion/argueing or whatever: how nice would it be to receive the news 'hey guys, tomorrow it's time to put everything away and start building your lands'

'hint - hint - hint'

[tall bear]

Does this clear things up ?

[ocean haven]

going down to your level, just making staments with nothing to back it
No your wrong u say 4+1 is 9

[tall bear]

He doesn’t 😂

[analog inlet]

@ocean haven

[ocean haven]

but he dos 🤣

[hearty cradle]

you are obviously over estimating merch and other stuff

[tall bear]

Ofc, just to make a point

[hearty cradle]

wheres bp and skins

[tall bear]

Honey some people are struggling on the basics here let’s not mess with their brain yet 😂

[worn scaffold]

Not included, because this will go to landowners (fake news, but let's pray)

[hearty cradle]

honey please be reasonable

[analog inlet]

https://tenor.com/view/explain-plan-theory-crazy-insane-gif-22079506

[hot bronze]

Divide 5 by How many plots of land 100k eventually..
Now divide 95 by total amount of ILV tokens in the pool.

[hearty cradle]

https://tenor.com/view/blonde-kirsten-wiig-say-what-huh-shocked-gif-5365292

[ocean haven]

you look funny 😄

[hot bronze]

Just curious… I’m on the fence for both 😅

[tall bear]

Unless it changed while I was away it’s not fake news, if a land owner owns a bp he can either sell the bp (and get all the cash, minus transaction fee), or buy ressources in game to craft a skin and sell the skin (and get all cash, minus transaction fee)

[hearty cradle]

i stake $ILV and have plots

[tall bear]

Yup

[worn scaffold]

Not changed, but I mean potential exclusive blueprints for illuvials, pets etc.. 😉

[dusty agate]

Solars calculations can be right if game will be able to collect much more money from other sources, not from fuel.

[hearty cradle]

fudding ILV first sold product
this is priceless

[analog inlet]

Ok it obvioly you don't actually want to learn and are jsut trolling so im going to take fraggys advice and stop trying. You belive what ever math you want o 95% always beats 5% right .....especially with " supply"

[hearty cradle]

https://tenor.com/view/hot-solar-flare-sun-gif-11108552

guys

[tall bear]

People, keep in mind that there are transaction fees, some go to imx, some are revenues

[hearty cradle]

its getting brighter

[ocean haven]

thats 100% how i feel about you disagree with math will be hard 🤣 already said bye to you 5 times you keep coming back

[tall bear]

This can add up and be huge if people trade tons of illuvials

[analog inlet]

if you said bye why arnt you gone ?

[empty path]

Solar, go outside

[ocean haven]

damn language is not your strong side too, i said bye to you 🤣 like the convo was so low

[hearty cradle]

https://tenor.com/view/sol-solar-estrella-erupcion-gif-8014474

[hot bronze]

5/100k - 0.00005 and 95/3000000 - 0.0000316667

[analog inlet]

https://tenor.com/view/facepalm-really-stressed-mad-angry-gif-16109475

[elder badge]

https://tenor.com/view/izctrl-popcorn-gif-21698700

[hot bronze]

Now the argument comes down to price per ILV vs Land… and it’s looking good for ILV atm…

[analog inlet]

If anyone actually wants to learn and do a fair comparison
IMO NFA DYOR
**Comparison **
#💬〕general message

Land owner revenue explanation
#🎮〕illuvium-zero message

Blue Prints
#🎮〕illuvium-zero message

Staking info
#🥩〕staking message

[hot bronze]

I’m still do both, but that’s my own decision. 😂

[worn scaffold]

I'll join your team.

[hot bronze]

I’ll even let you make you own mind up!

[worn scaffold]

I want to be the engine of Illuvium

[hot bronze]

Broom broom

[dusty agate]

I hold only lands. Got no ilv

[thin wolf]

Wow solar has some strong opinions on land when he has none…why are you so invested?

[hot bronze]

Polemos negging land to get lower price?

😉

Kidding

[empty path]

I don't think they need more land 😅

[worn scaffold]

It's a bit like a competition.

Stakers vs land owners ^^

[dusty agate]

There will not be many people who has ilv and 0 land

[worn scaffold]

Not sure, some of us are actually going to play the game and probably own land as well. But VCs and people who are not interested in playing the game are only holding ILV I guess.

[hot bronze]

Later all off to bed

[dusty agate]

I bought land from them, they made it not technically but they invested to create land. So i dont understand saying its bad product is not good imo.

[hot bronze]

Haha imagine you can’t buy fuel with silv2 just eth…. Solar won’t be happy

Anyway too early to know it all

[dusty agate]

I am selling land but dont buy it is a bad investment. Sounds wierd

[tall bear]

Any chance to see those please ?

[hot bronze]

DM me what ur selling

[dusty agate]

Lol i meant people who own ilv. They get revenue from land sale😂

[worn scaffold]

Naja, I think enough has been said about it.

I hope someone on the team will follow this discussion and maybe want to discuss this (publicly) or at least bring it up for discussion at a meeting.

As mentioned, I have been brainstorming with some here about how it might be made a little more interesting for land owners, with no one really being shortchanged.

I'm out, take care and cu around :)!

[analog inlet]

jsut don't like when people completely misrepresent and state for a fact land is better than staking when its Cleary not. Its not fud to compare both . Nor should it ever be as its a mini game not part ofthe tokenomics

[worn scaffold]

You think it's still a mini game? 😄

[hot bronze]

You too mate

[long tendon]

To be honest, @analog inlet why are you here lol. You dont own land, not gonna play the earning version of this. Why are you working hard to fuel this on-going argument. lol

[analog inlet]

see above

[thin wolf]

Bottom line is we have no real data to compare either and its pure speculation.lets get some data before we start comparing.

[wary notch]

Land is at the heart of the Illuvium Economy, and forever will be for all games developed, just like ILV

[thin wolf]

100% one Illuvium🥳

[thin wolf]

Maybe give solar a few of your 200+ plots and we might see a different sentiment😬

[dusty agate]

Anyways in case if we had all data its very hard to know how much land owners can get as it depends on BP they get and the price they sell it. Even owning one you cant calculate u may never sell it .

[long tendon]

What Lars said.

[analog inlet]

Moz4rt
BOT
— 06/27/2022
June 2nd is the date set for the first Land Sale. Illuvium: Zero is a mobile mini-game that will interact with the main game.

[worn scaffold]

Uuh, there were a lot of changes since 6/27/2022 😉

[elder badge]

Staking and land are 2 different animals and serve a totally different purpose you are comparing watermelons to apples

[analog inlet]

your point ?

People can hate on me all you want im used to it but now the point is the more you attack me personally the more validity you give my points,

[wary notch]

#🎮〕illuvium-zero message

[dusty agate]

Its like Mercedes make trucks someone buys it and makes money transporting goods. Who make more truck owners or Mercedes share holders?:))

[worn scaffold]

It was initially proposed as a mini game, with poor graphics and indeed only the game's engine. After the land sale a lot has changed, the 'mini' game has gone to high end graphics and the team has indicated that this is no longer a mini game, since the effort that has been put into it is such.

[dusty agate]

And ilv needs good mobile game before overworld will be available there… thats very good idea.

[worn scaffold]

Don't wanna be rude, but all this came about because you misunderstood my proposal and went full on against it, while all this will not harm strikers/players.

This also has nothing to do with hate towards you, but this has to do with a discussion you started based on misconceptions. In addition, I then find it amusing to read that you come from the 'camp' of stakers and downgrade anything that land owners may want to propose.

[analog inlet]

I explained my reason for that before. Its all about " i want more or better:" i disagree with that premis i am alowedto express an opinion you know but it seems other disagree. I I should stay quiet and not express anything that does not promote land as the "ultimate investmetn"

[worn scaffold]

Again, I don't want to be rude, but this really does sound pretty selfish huh? Apparently, according to you, nothing should be taken away from token holders (I understand), but then when a proposal is made that doesn't affect you, why should everything be thrown in the trash?

[analog inlet]

Tokenomincs

[worn scaffold]

This has nothing to do with tokenomics.... These are potential improvements for land owners

Will you react the same if you held land?

[analog inlet]

before the game is out , befopre any stats and you still haven't answered why these " improvements" are warranted o other than " i want more stuff " what is this based on?

[worn scaffold]

Then I would ask you to read the discussion we had before my proposal.

[analog inlet]

yes..i have .. landowners have always been complain about " more" does mean they are entitled to it or it warranted

[elder badge]

Just like your opinion is warranted why must you shoot down someone else’s just because it doesn’t align with how you are thinking. Can’t you just agree to disagree?

[dusty agate]

I can t agree with u in this. There a channel for new good ideas how to make game better. If its good idea why not add new features ingame?

[analog inlet]

because this this a form and i am allowed just like you are for submitting your proposal. What you expected everyone to justagree with you ?

[worn scaffold]

Please can you stop saying we want more? I have since given several reasons that this is ultimately going to benefit everyone who has anything to do with Illuvium.

More demand for land --> higher prices during the next sale --> more rewards for Illuvium --> more rewards for stakers (so you will benefit as well)

In addition, the options I outlined definitely have added value since I've been around the gaming world for quite a long time and the success of today is 'skins, pets, etc...'.

[elder badge]

Dude we heard you the first and fifth time, if you can’t progress the convo then end it.

[analog inlet]

Hey i cant help people keep attacking me takes 2 remember

[elder badge]

Nobody is attacking you 😂 stahp it

[worn scaffold]

We are not attacking you, you are just selfish and don't want to change your opinion.

[dusty agate]

Why we can t craft pets or something else to make it more interesting whats bad in this?

[analog inlet]

https://tenor.com/view/pot-kettle-hello-the-hypocrisy-zone-gif-14537828

[worn scaffold]

That's exactly the point I'm trying to explain

[elder badge]

They said they were planning clash of titans kind of game or so I think I saw

[worn scaffold]

Sorry, but I'm going to lose my respect for you now. I'll leave it at that, have a good day!

[empty path]

Sigh

[dusty agate]

Anything besides just building and collecting will be value add for game

[analog inlet]

too you longer than me for that but have a good day

[elder badge]

They are aware from what I know, let’s wait and see the next big announcement or alpha, we can always improve

[ocean haven]

this is the kinda person that could stand in the rain, and still claim its not raining. trust me you will get nothing productive from theis convo

[elder badge]

The life of a dcc mod 😂

[dusty agate]

💯

[analog inlet]

stop looking in the mirror and blaming me for what you see lol

[analog inlet]

Sorry ... i should have stopped feeding them ages ago

[elder badge]

Wow solar who pushed you off the wrong side of the bed today

[dusty agate]

I got that if i will chat here like today i ll be late to take my son from school😂

[analog inlet]

peopel who personally attack me for expressing my opinions .

[elder badge]

I look at it from your point too but at the end of the day everyone will have different opinions.

Nothing but Illuvilove here

[analog inlet]

I also try to clear up misconceptions poeple wantto make land more than it was inteneed to be . ** 5% of fuel revenue and some but not all blueprints to sell**. that was it. Now they want "improvements " becase they are not happy with that .

[dusty agate]

I understand what solar says. And calculations are pretty good and fair. They can be wrong in case if game doesn t collect more from other sources then fuel.

[elder badge]

It’s ok because they are not earning anything ATM and that should be ok imo.

[analog inlet]

yea true

[elder badge]

Just an expression of opinion that is all while stalkers are making a return from day 1

I am doing both so I don’t feel anything just want this game to be here “soon” 😂

[mystic umbra]

ILV token holders will inherently block anything to give zero more, doesn’t make sense to me if the balance is off it would be up to the stakers to make the change

[dusty agate]

Why not ? If we want more people to buy ilv. Landowners would like more people to buy land. Why we should not say its good?

Dont compare it to ilv staking compare it to NFT from other projects.

[worn scaffold]

Just stop this discussion, it's really hopeless. He sees it the way he sees it.

Eventually the team will have to look into this and make a proposal from this, until then nothing is going to change.

[analog inlet]

People should have all the information. Which i try to provide so they can do thier due dilligence and DYOR.

My main reason for not buying land was the fact that spending x amount on land would mean i could not spend x amount on ILV trading 100% of all revenue the dao bring in form all sources ( minus 5% of fuel) for jsut 5% of fuel and some blueprints makes no sense .

For me personally I feel Better to jsut lock that money up for the next 10 years and take some profit off the passive RevDIS again this is purely my opinion . (NFA)

[glad junco]

Everyone is getting butt hurt before the game is even out or utility/split/details are announced by the team.. which could be…,never..Lolololol let’s all chill out because NONE of us have ANY ideas at all.

[dusty agate]

But u could buy it with silv2.

[analog inlet]

which means i have less to spend in game it also mean either I have less ILV or i need to spend money on the "black market" to get silv-2 eitehr way there are cost involved

everything has a conequense

[dusty agate]

True. Same decided to but less lands and buy silv2.

[analog inlet]

@elder badge +1 in a general sense BTW

[tall bear]

Actually it might make sense

Yes, those assumptions are bananas, feel free to give me any more realistic ones

[tall bear]

Imo nfa dyor etc

[dusty agate]

So whats better 72m for 100k people or 927 for 6m tokens

[thin wolf]

6500people

[austere whale]

Finally someone is fudding land

[hollow shoal]

Well tomorrow is pay day which means more land day mhm

[dusty agate]

I was asking about that, looks like fuel will be 50% of total revenue for ilv stakers.

[tall bear]

I just put kinda random numbers, may be much higher or lower I just don’t know how to predict it

[teal mural]

Hell yeah buys more land “pay day”! To bad we have to want 6days to take the funds off of Coinbase to be to buy land 🤦🏾‍♂️ supper annoying

[tall bear]

You can see they most of revenue comes from bp here, if skins/bp revenues are much lower then it breaks it all

[worn scaffold]

Interesting comment, land is the engine of the game and you are going to encourage this? lol

[tall bear]

Tbh, I’d gladly encourage this aswell to be able to buy some more cheap 🤓

[worn scaffold]

That's a whole different story 🙂

[dusty agate]

How much other popular games make from skin sales?:)

[worn scaffold]

billions, if the game succeeds

[wind briar]

https://tenor.com/view/donald-trump-billions-money-cash-plenty-gif-10135114

[dusty agate]

Yeh if people spend fuel worth of 450m think u can craft and sell much more skins then u wrote there 😂

[teal mural]

I just need a few million of them billions

[tall bear]

Except here you have to take into account that you make money out of skins (for a sustainable cash flow) that require ressources that you must buy, ressources that have fluctuating prices

Once riot built its skin, it costs them 0$ to print thousands

While once you have a bp, each skin will have a production cost

Also keep in my mind land and bp require time spent to manage them, ilv staking takes 5 clicks once every couple of years

[austere whale]

Lmao I own land too ser

FYI, I don't agree with Solar's comments above

[worn scaffold]

Oh, time for coffee. Apparently there was a lot of sarcasm in your comment. Excuse me ser

[austere whale]

I'm just tired of waiting for ILZ so sometimes I like to fud around.

[tall bear]

I do, I truely think it makes much more sense to own ilv and stake it than buy land

Nonetheless I spent all my money on land and don’t own a single ilv token, logics 😂😂😂

[austere whale]

Well different people different opinion

lmao

[tall bear]

I’m hoping for additional utility from land, like being able to teleport to your plot or something like this

Or being able to get a cut of any illuvial captured/ressource gathered on your land

[teal mural]

Why not just do both! Buy land and Buy ILV ( a T1 is only $400-$500 and the coin in only $75. You can buy one land for fun and just to see how things goes and then continue to buy ILV a little at a time). Now that make sense

[tall bear]

(Once/if the overworld is ever linked to land)

[tall bear]

Because I tried getting a mega city 😂

[austere whale]

ILZ is taking forever, can devs do something?

[teal mural]

It might be coming out this month. We will see

[austere whale]

I'm not hopefull but lets see

[hearty cradle]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-many-months-later-three-weeks-later-waiting-so-much-later-gif-16351997

[floral locust]

https://tenor.com/view/nich-bad-nft-gif-23770085

[teal mural]

Lol I feel you a mage city would be cool. I’m just buying land in different regions at the moment

[tall bear]

Thought you’d be glad I included the skins and bp 😝

[hearty cradle]

i didnt back read

u guys typed a lot

[tall bear]

Was a picture

[teal mural]

Truthfully I want it to come out ASAP but the longer it takes the more we can accumulate before the price go crazy! ( and it could make the coin go higher which I don’t want at the moment 🤣)

[tall bear]

@hearty cradle

[topaz mauve]

Is there a point of buying just one T3? It feels like T3 boosts other land around it, so I am not sure if it's better to be a lot of T1-T2 or just one T3.

Also, is there a point of buying 4 lands close to each other to make a mega-city, or everyone will do it anyway by uniting with each other?

[tall bear]

There might be if they find a way to get ressources utility (once all plot are maxed out on constructions)

Also a t3 builds faster than a t1 or t2

[topaz mauve]

I just can't decide whether to spend money on ILV or lands =/

ILV seems to be kinda superior tbh after reading tokenomics =/

[tall bear]

There is, you can only add up plots to form a square though (and only your own I believe)

[topaz mauve]

Hm

[teal mural]

Both have different utility why not get both

[topaz mauve]

That I agree with, although with token it is more straightforward.

Don't get me wrong, I am not here to flip, but I also don't want to buy something for 10ETH that doesn't bring much value and/or fun

With tokens at least it is simple - buy and hold.

With the lands, after watching 15 videos I still don't understand which ones are good, which ones are bad.

[teal mural]

Land only cost $400-$500 for a T1

[topaz mauve]

True, for one T1

I wanted to either buy a lot of lands or tokens.

Not sure if there is a point in just one T1.

What was the price that T1 was sold during the Dutch Auction?

As I am new to this, did the floor stay the same, went down or up since June?

[mystic umbra]

Down

[stiff talon]

Why not get both? I'm invested in both.

[topaz mauve]

I can also see that token used to cost 1500USD

[stiff talon]

It doesn't have to be one or the other

[topaz mauve]

dropped significantly to 72, was it due to "crypto winter" or something happened?

[stiff talon]

Lots of factors. Eth and Bitcoin have fallen alot. Some people staked and took out their money once unlocked, Inflation, war in Europe. The game hasnt come out yet. There's many factors.

[dusty agate]

There are no good or bad lands. Just try to get one wich has balanced number of recources

[topaz mauve]

Sorry if the questions are silly, but I am actually considering of buying a lot, and I spent like 5 hours of watching stuff, so thought it would be worth talking to some people in discord.

[topaz mauve]

That seems very untrue based on what I watched.

[stiff talon]

I'm personally invested in both. I believe in the whole system. Not financial advice but yeah that's what I've done.

[topaz mauve]

Different areas provide different benefits, every land has a different resource, while it seems that some resources will be more valuable than others.

When it comes to T3, it feels like some landmarks give more bonuses to specific resources within the land, so the combination is important. If I am correct.

[topaz mauve]

This is the thing, sometimes when you are invested, you can also be biased. The brain tends to find arguments to justify your decisions, you know?

[dusty agate]

I ll write briefly what i know. In terms of collecting Blue prints all tier lands have equal chance to catch illuvial. In this case its good to have multiple t1 or t2 then just one T4.

Also all different regions have different chance to get certain illuvial skins. For example crimson waste is more popular now as there is higher chance to get ramhry skin as he is fire illuvial.

[topaz mauve]

True, although as I understand it is absolutely unclear whether blueprints you might land on (funny) will be valuable or not. It seems to be pure luck, therefore I wanted to focus on the fuel, but it seems like it won't be as valuable from the tokenomics perspective. Basically, it seems like if I spend all that ETH on the token, I will be able to get that fuel later and buy the blueprints I want.

[stiff talon]

Well not exactly benefits. You have a higher % chance to scan bio data of certain Illuvial types. Scanning can get you blueprints but BPs are used to craft Mozart skins or Ranger Skins. Also talk of arena skins. But to say one type is better than another is based on perception. People are predicting that fire and water will be the most popular types for skins.

[topaz mauve]

Agree, by better I meant "based on the current perseption and people liking water/fire more".

[dusty agate]

In case u want to just hold land and trade fuel its better to buy higher tier lands as they have boosts and u get more fuel. Like t4 can produce 40X more then T1

[teal mural]

The land mark give 10% boost to one of the elements. I got a T3,T2 and about to get a few T1’s just to have one of each type of land. I think ppl down playing the $$$ that could be made for the blueprints for skins

[stiff talon]

Look I've invested in the product. I've played the beta. I'm a huge gamer especially on TFT and games that are similar and I'm investing in the game and the company. It's like I own a piece of a massive company like Riot Games. This is the beginning and I'm invested in the long term when it comes to sponsorship deals, merchandise, movies or even series. The model they are going for is similar to that of league of legends and Pokemon. Two massive franchises.

[topaz mauve]

I invest 90% of my money in Gamestop 😄

[hearty cradle]

so many numbers

[topaz mauve]

I own a piece of a massive company. 🙂

This is more of a hobby for me as I am also a gamer.

Still, don't want to invest in something that could lose 90% of its value, but again, who knows? The project itself looks like one of the best on the market at the time, this is for sure.

I have like 9ETH of cards in God's Unchained, so I am quite familiar with Immutable and stuff.

[stiff talon]

Look any investment is a risk. I'm not throwing my life's savings in this. I have a good amount of tokens and I've got some land. My main investments are still real estate and my own business. But based on the product that I've seen and played with, I'm honestly impressed and yeah will it be successful maybe or maybe not but It's not going to break the bank for me... It's really how much you are willing to spend and how much you are willing to lose at the end of the day...

[dusty agate]

Its up to you what u gonna do with you money. Also if u buy token u can stake and ern silv 2 as a reward and buy land with silv 2 next time 80k plots aren t still sold. Thats not an advice just wanted to give more info.

[stiff talon]

Next landsale could be years from now. Really depends on the growth of the game and popularity!

[dusty agate]

Yeh.

[frigid arrow]

how to buy land second hand ?

[dusty agate]

Check illuvidex.

[frigid arrow]

dont see any on opensea

[stiff talon]

Go on the Illuvium official website. Go to illuvidex and you good to go

[frigid arrow]

ah i see

[stiff talon]

Land is sold on the layer 2 immutable x marketplace so you won't see it on opensea. The cheapest place to purchase with the least fees is the Illuvidex alternatively you can buy on TokenTrove and Immutable X Marketplace

[queen folio]

So if you're looking to buy, you'll need to deposit your funds from ETH Mainnet onto Layer 2. Lucius has some info on that process in the pinned messages of #981426698333618276

One here: #981426698333618276 message

[near berry]

If it´s an investment, ILV. If it´s just for fun, land.

[hearty cradle]

guys im calling a truce until aaron clarify okay

thanks

[analog inlet]

https://tenor.com/view/finally-someone-gets-it-stick-goldstein-the-expanding-universe-of-ashley-garcia-at-last-someone-gets-it-finally-someone-understand-it-gif-19243309

**NFA DYOR **of course

[near berry]

Unfortunately too late 😂 😢

Sitting on 16 lands and not very happy with it. 🙃

[reef jasper]

we are so early in this timeline, it will play out to be beneficial for sure

[nimble lichen]

IZ will be an excellent promotional and marketing tool for the main game. It's in the teams best interest to ensure that the game is not just fun but profitable for the land owners.

[little moon]

Wow... what a read.

[nimble lichen]

indeed

[empty path]

Been a while I read something decent here. That hopium bottle doing it's work

[near berry]

I´m not unhappy because of the current floor price (it is a variable) or IZ still needs more time before it gets released. I misunderstood how the fuel support from the lands for the main game works (I am not a native english speaker). I thought 100% of the fuel comes from lands and was very happy that another project after Yuga Labs understands how to play the web3 game right. Not just another project that tries to suck out their customers. Then reality hits me hard when I realized that only 5% comes from lands.

[teal mural]

Hey guys! It take 6days for your funds to be available to move off of Coinbase. Do anyone know a faster way ?????

[nimble lichen]

I have a lot of land so could be hopium lol

[teal mural]

I need more land!!! Good prices

I only got two 😭 a T3 and a T2 I need at last two more before the game come out!

And them prices go up!

[vivid cipher]

Sometimes I used fast networks like nano, xlm, xrp to transfer funds to “looser” CEXs like KuCoin and trade there for the eth I need. Coinbase is probably gonna be stingy with eth right now.

[teal mural]

Thanks imma check it out. Because waiting is annoying when you find the rite land for the rite price and have to hope nobody get it before you 😂 “Stress”

[topaz mauve]

I would buy four lands close to each other for the mega city with T3, but there are none.

Just one option, but pricing is kinda insane:D

[reef jasper]

have you tried some of the options in metamask? like moonpay or transak?

[teal mural]

No I haven’t, I checked that out a few years ago and it was tripping on me but imma check it out again

[brisk plume]

Amount of future farmers are growing for sure

[mystic umbra]

interesting

[placid finch]

Any update on zero?

[thin wolf]

Zero

Sorry,bad joke.
No news yet there were talks we might see Alpha this month...

[sonic whale]

I thought alpha would come in august 😞

😭

but I'll be brave and wait till, because I know they dont just wunna blow our minds. they wunna blow away the entire industry

[deep granite]

If its for fun, it T0 land. Anything else is an investment 😂

[nimble lichen]

If you didn't think that the team was capable/interested in making IZ a profitable part of the Illuvium universe(as an investor) then why would you be interested in the ILV token?

[cosmic spade]

100% fuel come from land.
5% from revenue go to landowners

[analog inlet]

Not correct.

95% of fuel is produced By the DAO 5% comes from "land" so in reality ILZ has no effect on the actual overworld other than a +/- 25% fuel price cost for the overworld/ other game players based on production .

Landowners could produce 0 Fuels and it would not effect Overworld or any future game other than the beforementioned +/- 25 %

jsut to be specific its 5% of **fuel token based revenue only ** goes to landowners is correct. Not 5% of revenue there is a difference

[analog inlet]

IMO only

1. its the official investment option and back by the tokenomics.
2. 100% of ever single $ the DAO eceives ( less 5% of the fuel token revenue) goes to the stake holders

ILZ does not have either of those quality's and had clear goals for revenue distribution in the iip expecting them to "make it profitable " is questionable and des not have any bearing on why that would have any bearing wanting the ILV token

they are completely separate Soo That is my person opinion and answer to your questions

[thin wolf]

Jeeeezez Solar,we get it.now go buy some land plot and be happy.

[nimble lichen]

You're comparing land value directly to the possible return of ILV token instead of its position as an NFT asset in the marketplace. I don't think anyone has ever tried to introduce it as a replacement for the main games investment.

In a bull run people will pay 100ETH for a monkey JPEG with zero utility. What do you think will happen to the price of IZ land during a bull run if the Illuvium user base is exploding?

[analog inlet]

yes because solar expressing an opinion is bad ...i get herd that 1000 times to. BTW that was a legitimate answer to the question but i guess that is irrelevant as well

[thin wolf]

its not that,its the copy paste walls every other day in something you have no interest in.

[near berry]

In the end it´s the same outcome. Currently there are 20k lands, 5% going to land owners. Let´s say they sell Fuel for $1 Mil. 5% of 1Mil = $50k. 1/20k of 50k = 2.5. So on average every land owner will get $2.50 for every $1Mil. ($0.50 on average when all 100k lands are released)
If you spent $500 for a land they need to sell Fuel for $200Mil to be break even and you have to spent ~15mins every day until that. Each paperboy makes more money. 😂

[thin wolf]

With this math it is clear we need an IIp to increase the % to 50%?

[near berry]

BAYC and no utility? 👀 Every ape got for free: a dog, a mutant serum, 10k $Ape and a land plot for The Otherside - so far. Btw on the Otherside the owner gets 100% of the resources from the land.

[nimble lichen]

Yeah, they developed that all after the fact. Do you think Illuvium would want to do similar things to provide value for land holders. That would be great marketing for the brand right?

[near berry]

lol

[lilac dagger]

So we get 100% revenue of the fuel we make which makes up 5% of total supply?

[analog inlet]

causality: people keep repeating the same thing you'll get he same answer -

if i have an apple on my desk and everyday you ask me what that is the answer will not change there for I will repeat myself indefinitely.

[analog inlet]

Yes if you produce 1 fuel an swap it to the balance you get 100% of that. An yes 5% of total suppley ( misuncerstood your question first time i read it )

[near berry]

Would be nice, but I doubt it would pass. 😄

[lilac dagger]

So if I make 100 fuel units on my land and give it to the pool, I only get paid for 5?

[thin wolf]

from the Medium article.

[little moon]

This is correct. You will be paid for all the fuel you generate on your land. Landowners will produce about 5% of the total fuel for the game.

[thin wolf]

lets just drop it,dont want another session with this.

[minor sage]

Can i ask how many T1 are one T2? In terms of fuel production?

[little moon]

4

[analog inlet]

@lilac dagger if it helps this explains how land owner revenue works #🎮〕illuvium-zero message

[lilac dagger]

Okay! Thanks that’s what I thought. Which is a relief to have it confirmed. Would you like to buy some fuel? Half price pre-launch sale?

[minor sage]

Could you explain this Scoot? 🙏

[lilac dagger]

Thanks for being so helpful

[analog inlet]

Your welcome Its all i am trying to do .

[little moon]

T1 has 1 fuel site and no production boost
T2 has 3 fuel sites with at 33% production boost
3 x 1.33 = 3.99 effective production for a T2

[desert pilot]

t1s are better for blueprints tho

im making a play on gamestop options, hoping to turn 2.5k into 20k and buy a decent plot

only have 2 t2s so far

[thin wolf]

Why not add into you text blueprints and how that would be a stream of passive income?

[analog inlet]

Blueprints are not passive in come and already done it takes up too much space in one post
#🎮〕illuvium-zero message

If anyone actually wants to learn and do a fair comparison
IMO NFA DYOR
**Comparison **
#💬〕general message

Land owner revenue explanation
#🎮〕illuvium-zero message

Blue Prints
#🎮〕illuvium-zero message

Staking info
#🥩〕staking message

[radiant sky]

Isn't copypastas against the rules?

[queen folio]

I'm not sure we know that blueprints are a passive income. The blueprint is required to create an skinned version of something. The skins you create could be sold for income or you could sell the blueprint itself... but neither would be considered passive, from what I can tell.

[desert pilot]

you can hire someone to maintain your land

give them 5% or whatever and make it passive

[thin wolf]

Fair enough

[queen folio]

Not technically, no. But if it gets spammed, then it would be.

[analog inlet]

technically there is no rental system announced yet Kieran said it would be outsourced to a third party

Polemos is the official partner of Illuvium and devopling such a system so it could very well be that jsut not officially announced specifically

[desert pilot]

it will come with scholars

[radiant sky]

How many Times a Day is considered as Spam?

[desert pilot]

theres plenty of people who dont want to use up all their time maintaining 10 plots

while there's also plenty of people who could make nice money from it in the phillipines or whatever

as long as there is a market for something, supply and demand will cause someone to step up and provide the interface

greed is a good motivator

[teal mural]

Wuts the floor rite now

[analog inlet]

Polemos is developing a smart contract automated nft staking system and removing the manager / scholar role completely you can find out more in the white paper #899655780033261639 message although there is no eta for this or details on how exactly it will work at this time

[queen folio]

There's no metric for that, specifically 😅

[minor sage]

Thanks Scoot

[analog inlet]

@desert pilot here is the official stamente form the dev if you are intrested and Kieran comment

As for Renting land in 🎮-illuvium-zero I would not expect anything right away .

Johnny | Illuvium — 04/21/2022
#🎮〕illuvium-zero message
I would not recommend account sharing
ideally we will tie sharing/renting/etc in to all kinds of systems like friends, guilds, etc... but its not a priority right now

[desert pilot]

dont worry, it will be there eventually

and my guess is pretty fast

[desert pilot]

no offense, but why do you sound so negative most of the time?

we are dreamers here, on the forefront of something epic, being part of history, just sit back and enjoy the ride

[harsh acorn]

@thin wolf you see this 👀

[minor sage]

What would be one of your dreams that you want it come true? About Illuvium? (Im a dreamer too)

[desert pilot]

winning some sort of esports championship with a nice prize fund would be cool

[minor sage]

We are in the same ship

[desert pilot]

been playing games all my life on a decent level, but never really made it big

always close, but never quite there

[minor sage]

Same man

[desert pilot]

for example i lost the WCG unreal tournament qualifiers of my country 21-19 to a guy that ended up winning the whole thing

[minor sage]

Lol

[thin wolf]

You sir just made my day😀 next month it is

[desert pilot]

then was pretty good in Age of Empires 3, streamed for some top websites

but also never capitalized on it

[thin wolf]

where was this?

[analog inlet]

I honestly don't mean to be . its al based on perception i guess. As i said I absoultly have no issue will land itself . I have issue with misrepresentation or trying to change things at the expense of overworld player / stakers

[desert pilot]

then moved on to online poker, won a couple tourneys of around 20-30k$ prize funds, but never the 6-7 figures once

[harsh acorn]

https://twitter.com/Nichola11018762/status/1567937177073647617

[desert pilot]

so yeah, feels bad man 😄

[minor sage]

Count me in for future scrims to improve or etc tryhard is my first name lol @desert pilot

[desert pilot]

add me to friends

[minor sage]

Done 🏆

[desert pilot]

accepted

but this time im gonna make it work 😄

have a lot of free time now, semi retired, working around 12 hours a week and rest of the time i need something to mentally challenge me

so im banking on this

[teal mural]

That was my shit!

[desert pilot]

i invented the Mercantulism rush with spanish in that game 😄

it got nerfed in a patch

felt pretty proud then 😄

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7IUC9xopaA

couple scoop/wcoop wins also fun, but doesnt feel esportsy

[lyric hamlet]

Any updates on the game?

I checked the announcement and nothing, just asking here in case I missed something

Btw wasn't there a dev blog going on?

Is that finished?

[wise widget]

No updates or announcements regarding alpha release. We're hoping it's still September but who knows.

The Dev blog is being worked on by Aaron now he's back in Australia, should be soon.

@lyric hamlet

[opal thistle]

We are waiting on PB2, Kieran was very hyped some hours ago, so 🤞 . As mentioned Aaron was sick and DevBlog was delayed but he is coming back stronger by the day. As usual official dates will be given in #📣〕announcements

[celest wagon]

t2 = x4 t1 t3=x4t2 t4=x4t3 ??

[topaz mauve]

Do you take into consideration landmarks?

[teal mural]

He guys we are good to GO!!!!!!!!!!!!

[rotund reef]

Thanks for this. This is why I don't fully buy into any he said/she said on this forum. Ppl getting emotional over things that aren't even real.

[teal mural]

💯 They wouldn’t have said the land was worth more then we paid for it during the land sale for no reason. This is an great investment 💸 let make this money and find these BP’s

[rotund reef]

Nobody is looking more than 3 months ahead, it's crazy. And people keep bringing up the BP vs fuel vs Revdis argument too. Most of us are involved in all three, it's not an argument.

[lethal thunder]

So Axie land gameplay is coming how about ILV?

[hearty cradle]

https://tenor.com/view/stonks-meme-gif-16107418

[dry mango]

soon

[hollow shoal]

So blueprints are completely unique ? 😄

[orchid isle]

https://tenor.com/view/hugh-laurie-give-the-man-a-medal-gif-9194832

[hearty cradle]

wdym by unique

there will be duplicates

[hollow shoal]

Do we know how many?

[hearty cradle]

10k

yea its 10k bp

[glad junco]

has anybody discussed the rental aspect of IZ when talking about value?
Platforms like GameStop Are working on allowing “no-coiners” enter the space seamlessly by creating a wallet on the backend of their apps.. so when the game laches and rentals are enabled, it’s easy to imagine that it would be super easy to aboard people into IZ. Kid rents a plot directly from GS app - no gas no upfront cost. Kid builds up land and earns part of fuel which he/she can use to either sell or use. You as plot owner earn passive income also - pretty cool

The only thing that would trip things up is the scanning for illuvials (ownership issue) - but what if you as a land owner have admin rights to “turn off” ability to build buildings that scan for Illuvials and in return you increase fuel veneration efficiency, slightly? That way your land won’t have the ability to scan for illuvials but you’ll generate fuel slighly faster. Ownership issue solved

Now the kid sees that there’s an option to build scanners but it’s not available to them. That sucks.. so Once he generates enough fuel to sell, he buys his own plot because now it’s completely his, he can keep all the fuel, he’s skilled at buildings and he’s able to scan for cool shit on top it if.

Bro I would do that shit!

[reef jasper]

https://tenor.com/view/toad-hype-overload-overload-gif-7868864

[mystic umbra]

whered solar go?

[whole spear]

@austere whale

I hope you read some stuff today

[empty path]

Rich still has hopes for people reading, that's cute

[neat condor]

When IZ alpha?

[empty path]

Still no dates announced

[neat condor]

Still hoping this year?

[empty path]

Yes!

[brisk stump]

Hi guys 🙂 a little question : if i have a land that doesn't have lake how do i get the hydrogen to build stuff that needs it? Thanks

[empty path]

You'll have to build an converter

[brisk stump]

ok nice 😄 simple

[austere whale]

Thanks, I saw it in general.

[whole spear]

Do you feel better?

Did you say you’re sorry?

[austere whale]

I do feel better

[whole spear]

See what assuming does

[austere whale]

Next time I will be careful and not speculate on things what people say 😅

[lethal thunder]

I think next year

[quartz shell]

just release a demo

release some demo videos

[lyric hamlet]

Boo this man!

[mystic gull]

#🚰〕leaks message

[hearty cradle]

yea so far rental is pretty much just a concept.

• revenue, for a rental to be profitable the kid need to be able to earn fuel and blueprints, the bulk of the revenue will be from blueprints.

• state of the land, is it an empty land or a built land?

• duration of rental?

• rental fee?

• renting multiple adjecant plot to build a rented megacity?

im sure not even the dev knows how to do it yet

[lapis gulch]

If we have have a building tree that has max 1 out of 2 buildings - singularity scanner OR "name your fuel boost building". Then you're either getting more fuel or BPs. Might make it more straightforward for some plots you don't have time to manage. And make BPs more scarce.

[long tendon]

Devs shouldnt be involved in those to be honest. This has to be market driven based on market demands. We will go through a painful discovery before we settle on the acceptable standard practice.

[hearty cradle]

they have, because they have to develop the rental mechanics

i mean we can ask for anything, but it doesnt mean its do able

[empty path]

Kieran said it would developed externally

[hearty cradle]

that's even worse

means we have no say

on how rental should work

[empty path]

You are right, they said "Please make us a rental system, we don't care how it works"

[hearty cradle]

yea

[lapis gulch]

We can always participate in the DAO that makes it.

[hearty cradle]

IZ is very complicated, unless you can only rent blank plot

[lapis gulch]

And I'm pretty certain illuvium will have influence over that.

[hearty cradle]

it's just a concept, it's gonna take a looooooong time to develop

[long tendon]

I thought theyll be outsourcing that

oh fraggy i answered

[hearty cradle]

IZ has building progress and research progress, how are we gonna do about it for rentals

what about megacity?

we dnt even know how they are gonna do megacity, so far megacity is just a concept

[topaz mauve]

I just bought my first ever land guys, just T1 for now.

[empty path]

Welcome in the club

[lapis gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/ilv-illuvium-one-of-us-wolf-of-wall-street-gif-23354367

[topaz mauve]

Thanks. Now will be observing closer what's happening.

[brisk plume]

6400 baby

[brisk plume]

ser

https://tenor.com/view/two-weeks-happy-dance-gif-18982959

?

[empty path]

https://tenor.com/view/despicable-me-minions-ehh-no-nope-gif-4741703

[static kayak]

when do you release dev update.

[empty path]

You probably mean the dev blog? Usually there is one every month. There won't be a July blog so there should be an August blog soon. Aaron should be writing one

[static kayak]

i see man in twitter say illuvium zero to this month

it really ?

[lapis gulch]

There are no official #📣〕announcements for that.

[empty path]

There are no launch dates announced for Illuvium Zero so I don't think we will see it this month. Like @lapis gulch said all official launch dates will be posted in #📣〕announcements

[frigid arrow]

ill just be excited to start testing the auto battler 😄

[brisk stump]

Hi 🙂 where can i get this ifos please? do u have a link?

[empty path]

immutascan.io

[brisk stump]

Thanks a lot !!

[dusty agate]

6400 is very small number.

[brisk plume]

only 20k lands?

distribution will widen over time

sending land prices into fucking heavens

[brisk plume]

someone did say september?

https://tenor.com/view/i-guarantee-it-gif-4634339

[gusty surge]

im trying to see on illuvidex if my neighbours are selling their land. cannot click on the map to see now?

[topaz mauve]

You can, I spent hours yesterday on lurking

You need to change the filter to "sold" or another one on the official website.

Or use tokentrove, that is super convenient.

[dusty agate]

Just copy the plot number and check it

[little moon]

Im still waiting for my beta hahaha

and Zero launch

ay ay ay...

[teal mural]

The “make an offer” Function is coming too soon to immutable X by mid October

[hearty cradle]

wher did u hear about this

[spring jetty]

I saw it on tweeter

Someone said mid October

[hearty cradle]

woody?

[thin wolf]

Belive it was Nick who said on twitter

[ebon moth]

Any ideas of when the illuvium zero will be released? 🤔

[dry mango]

no fixed dates yet but something is expected for this month about Alpha

[ebon moth]

@dry mango nice! I work a lot so I'm not very up to date with all the details, can't wait!

[teal mural]

In the discord, it was a screenshot of the Message

[dry mango]

You can follow the project's updates on the monthly dev blog, this month's should be out soon: https://medium.com/@aaron_warwick

[ebon moth]

@dry mango done! 👍

[dry mango]

Noice 👀

[hearty cradle]

Lets goooo

https://tenor.com/view/the-office-office-dwight-schrute-sniper-gif-25130487

[merry sand]

Hey guys, I purchased land but trying to go back and see the exact price I bought it for. Anyone know where I can find that information?

[dry mango]

by clicking on the land you can see the history of prices at which it was traded, the last price was the one you bought

[merry sand]

Yeah I thought this, but underneath the History tab nothing is shown

[radiant sky]

Congrats

[copper inlet]

use etherscan and check your wallet history 🙂 i assume you bought it during main land sale

or even on metamask you have history (if you used MM)

[dry mango]

what is your land location number?

[merry sand]

Yeah I use MM but I'm only seeing my swaps on uniswap and not the actual transaction where I bought the land itself

[copper inlet]

doxxing his wallet 😛

[merry sand]

lol

[dry mango]

lol

[leaden egret]

The day the IZ will be announced internet will blow 🤣

[dry mango]

on tokentrove you can go to the "activity" tab and put the number there (the number that comes right after the NFT name)

like Crimson Waste (647,348)

[merry sand]

Perfect got it, thanks

[lethal thunder]

Boo me all you want but it will be next year

[hollow shoal]

Haha time to buy land near any Higher level and let the offers flow in

[tardy sail]

https://twitter.com/i/spaces/1DXxyvgBWoYKM

Join the space

[paper flame]

Booooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

[unkempt ginkgo]

Hey frens do we have any time idea yet when Illuvium Zero opens yet?

[dry mango]

no date for Alpha yet, when it has one it will be posted in #📣〕announcements

[icy thicket]

Anyone have any suggestions for "city builders" games that might help get me back into the groove and relearn patience and the time it takes to build/upgrade/research... I am just looking for one without fighting/battling... solely using it until ILV ZERO comes out 🙂

(Don't hate me Illuvium lol)

Since I have 8 land plots to manage, trying to find ways now to optimize and schedule ny time for when the Alpha comes out

[nimble lichen]

ExoMiner is pretty sweet if IZ is able to replicate an of that feel

[icy thicket]

That's was the name I saw a while ago! Thank you @nimble lichen !!!!

[sharp elk]

Nope. It really won’t be.

[lethal thunder]

Watch

[reef jasper]

and when you're wrong, what happens?

[lyric hamlet]

Booo x2

[mystic crater]

2.222 ETH is ready in my wallet if someone want's to drop their price for T3 land

[lethal thunder]

Then I am wrong😂

[nimble lichen]

as soon as ETH hits $1950 it's yours

[sharp elk]

There really isn’t going to be any surprise when you are wrong tbh.

Anybody can come on this forum and spread whatever fud they want, but there really isn’t much point.
A few newbies get scared, but that’s about it.

[thin wolf]

https://tenor.com/view/the-simpsons-homer-simpson-boo-boo-boo-booing-gif-22217081

My money is on end of month or early October.

[sharp elk]

Before Christmas is about as certain as you can get in this space.

But yeah end of October wouldn’t be surprising, and perhaps earlier.

[hot bronze]

For alpha/beta or public release 😉

[sharp elk]

Alpha

[hot bronze]

If he’s talking full he’s right 😉

[thin wolf]

Alphas are supposed to be buggy and not closed to complete, we could very well get a beta instead course from what I have seen it looks really polished.

[sharp elk]

He isn’t talking full, so he is 100% wrong.

[sharp elk]

Yeah. Except they may still call it Alpha, because it implies that there are still further improvements to come. It’s really just a marketing question.

[thin wolf]

They could call it Zulu for all I care, I just want to play

[sharp elk]

https://tenor.com/view/winter-z-soon-gif-19096195

Me too tbh.

[brisk stump]

Does TM means tomorrow morning 😄 ? just kidding

[dusty agate]

If i was told in june or in may that alpha version will be launched “ maybe “ not 100% in the end of October, i d say its next year.

[sharp elk]

Believe what you like. However think about it logically. The alpha already exists, it's just being polished. Do you really think the alpha will be allowed to drift into 2023.

[dusty agate]

Why you always start with “ BELIVE WHAT you like “ 😂😂

[dusty agate]

I really think that it took too long to get alpha version

[sharp elk]

I'm pretty sure i don't always start with that. Can't be bothered to check my posts, but i'm pretty certain you are completely wrong.

[dusty agate]

I have read some 😊

[slim harbor]

This is the passive aggressive shit I love to see

[desert pilot]

it means Third Millenium 😄

[hearty cradle]

https://tenor.com/view/october-happy-october-skeletons-dance-dancing-gif-6098053

[compact nebula]

Wen open beta?

[hearty cradle]

https://tenor.com/view/about13point7billion-years-ago-national-space-day-dark-universe101-exploding-star-a-long-time-ago-gif-21568499

[empty path]

Game is currently in Private beta 1, Private beta 2 should be launching soon and also Illuvium Zero alpha should be launching soon. There is no open beta launch in sight atm

[hearty cradle]

imo eoy 23

[timber sapphire]

"soon"

[empty path]

Everybody reading this: Jaganite is shorting the token so he will do whatever he can so you don't buy

[frigid arrow]

ill be buying at some point , wouldn't listen to any fud 😄

still in the DYOR phase

[hearty cradle]

im currently have a long position rn

need to pamp this

[empty path]

https://tenor.com/view/dedikodu-gossip-shock-şaşırmak-shocking-gif-19902616

[hearty cradle]

https://tenor.com/view/lfg-lets-goo-gif-25423985

cmon guys pamp my bag

[timber sapphire]

Oke fine you convinced me ill buy more

[boreal knot]

Is the lands cheaper now compared to the land sale??

[hearty cradle]

yes

congrats

[undone phoenix]

In ETH, USD or SILV2?

[boreal knot]

Silv2 compared to now. I think I bought 1 for 0,7 eth but in silv2. Compared to that is it now cheaper or more expensive to buy land??

[undone phoenix]

You can’t buy with sILV2 now, so you did good 👍🏻

[fierce hatch]

No it’s about the same as floor price from land sale per Scoriox’s video

[dusty agate]

Sold 3 lands, something happening in last days 😂

[teal mural]

Since I’m an land owner I guess I’m “Lord Anubi” now!

Hey fello Illuviums Lords!

[queen folio]

https://tenor.com/view/parks-and-rec-andy-dwyer-chris-pratt-jaw-drop-shocked-gif-4421172

I like it!

[thin wolf]

Lord Lars does not have the same ring too it

[queen folio]

It has a different ring to it... and that's not a bad thing 🙂

[glad junco]

None us is getting anything this year - any bets?

[thin wolf]

https://tenor.com/view/thank-you-thanks-thank-you-so-much-keanu-reeves-gif-21952233

[thin wolf]

Ilz?

I ll take that bet

5 Silv?

[teal mural]

Yeah I think it sounds good on us! Let be Honest if we have 100,000,000+ people playing this game and we only have 100k plots of land that kind of makes us a big deal in the ILLUVIUM universe.

https://tenor.com/view/im-feeling-myself-vinny-assisted-living-feeling-it-im-feeling-good-gif-18729279

[thin wolf]

Some would say the best of the best😃

[glad junco]

yeah IZ - not coming this year - 5 SILV

[thin wolf]

Your on buddy

[empty path]

👀

[thin wolf]

Ilz is out before December 31 midnight Utc

2022🥳

[copper inlet]

i bet on the other guy lars ^^ (sadly)

[thin wolf]

https://tenor.com/view/smile-motivate-jack-black-happy-nacho-libre-gif-15033135

[teal mural]

I got 10 ILV it will be out the end of this month. Next year they crazy!

[copper inlet]

i had similar bet with someone last year and release date on open beta xD (no prizes) have to contact him and remind him how silly he was xD
he lost at 31 dec 2021 xD

[dusty agate]

Think that we get alpha this year 100% can bet on any sum…

Lets make casino illuvibet 😂😂 would work for arena too 😂😂

[glad junco]

I’ve been kinda keeping up with some of the “prediction” convos last couple days but mainly stayed out of it because at the end of the day none us have any idea..

Then something struck me.. we really don’t have ANY Fing idea - like at all. No announcements, no solid, through discussions from the team covering anything IZ.. yea we can reference past discussion of what they said but these can be changed at any moment because they weren’t voted-on proposals so changes are to be expected..

Now I’m not saying any of this to fud or to state that it’s a “BAD” thing.. I’m sure they are working hard and I won’t sell any of my land (for now).

What I am sayin is WE ourselves keep pumping each other full of hopium every couple weeks when then keep either making up excuses for why there’s more delays OR some of us just get more pissed and start little tantrums..

I highly doubt with hair little infor we really have about IZ, that OCTOBER OR NOVEMBER OR DECEMBER are even in the cards atm..

I mean it’s been over a month since @amber atlas jumped in to push the project across the finish line and even he is having a hard time pushing out a small 1min demo or a leak.. again, I’m not saying it’s a bad thing just saying logically we’re probably way off so just be prepared and keep faith a little longer than expected

[timber sapphire]

Yeah thats why i keep saying christmas but we will see. Some said september i hope they prove me wrong

[thin wolf]

Just have my 5 Silv ready🥳

[glad junco]

😂

[empty path]

Can Lead Moderators join in on bets? 😏

[glad junco]

Roger that my dude! I hope I lose

[timber sapphire]

Insider trading is not allowed lady ser

[glad junco]

Yes!!

[empty path]

I'm just a mod, I don't have insider information 🤷‍♀️

[timber sapphire]

Thats what they all say to the police too

[glad junco]

You know the funny thin is: I’m a gaming/casino auditor lol

But this is outside my jurisdiction so I can gamble 😂

[empty path]

But you are right, I'll stay out of the bets. You'll all call it insider trading when I take your money 😄

[dusty agate]

Aaron said they got internal date,wanted to ask him month, year?

[thin wolf]

Our money😬

[glad junco]

I would NEVER 😂

[empty path]

Good luck to the both of you 😉

[dusty agate]

Wheres your liz? Swapped for land?

[glad junco]

Thanks man! Like I said I hope I lose but it’s a win for me either way 🙂

[empty path]

Safer for the community when I use a GIF here, most scammers don't have Nitro

[thin wolf]

kinda a bigger win for me😬 more Illuvitars

[worn scaffold]

Some creative things this afternoon 💪🏽

[mystic umbra]

Wow that’s sick

Idk why you’d post it in this channel but still super cool

[worn scaffold]

Because this is the only active channel for me 🙂

[copper inlet]

awaiting pic when this beast get his spot on main wall in your place xD

[worn scaffold]

I'll send some pics when I have multiple illuvials on my wall 😉

[copper inlet]

have you made some drawings before to practice?? i want to see some fanny failures as well xD

[worn scaffold]

Actually, no. started with a spray can from the beginning

[glad junco]

What I do hope they do, is…you guys remember GameInformer Mag? Or any like major game that had its own guide?! I really hope they do a IZ GUIDE NFT - you get one airdropped if you own land and you burn it to receive a physical (edition 0). Digital guide will be available to everyone interested in the Game but only land owners get a physical book - NOW THAT would be cool to own!!

[hearty cradle]

1k ILV, iz alpha gonna launch this decade

[worn scaffold]

This will be the next one. But also pretty hard

[glad junco]

I will raise you the 1K ILV to bet that they will scrap the land builder before main OVER-WORLD/BATTELER games come to main release

[thin wolf]

like those supe thic game guides that covered everything?never had one but yeah i remeber those.would be cool,love stuff like this.

[glad junco]

Yeah exactly those! 😂 WOW one was epic and so was HALO. They were cool because it had so much in them and the graphics were awesome! And you got cool fanboy backstories and origin stories, developer tips and tricks, little fun facts and Easter eggs. You could find all this yourself but it felt cool having a guide

[hearty cradle]

[glad junco]

I’m not sayin I’m just sayin 😂

[steady vector]

Why Crimson Waste lands are more expensive than the other ones (looking at Tier 1)? Is there a specific reason to it, or people simple just not selling it that much?

[reef jasper]

based on speculation of popularity in skins

[wise widget]

I'm late to the party but I'd sure love to take the bet against you @glad junco of 5 sILV2. IZ alpha will be out this year for sure I think. 👍

Also appreciate how you've explained yourself too, not full of FUD and antagonistic comments 👌👏

[quaint prism]

If I had to guess, I would estimate that they're planning IZ Alpha to be combined with at least one other thing. We got the T5 sale still, illuvitars, PB2.. I won't bet, but I'm hoping it happens Q4 2022

[topaz mauve]

I dunno guys, I have joined this discord 2 days ago, and just bought 3xT1 and 1xT2. I think you all have been waiting for a long time, hence the FUD. However, as a person who has played the beta and have watched quite a lot of youtube for the past 2 days, I believe this is one of the most exciting projects out there.

I think the best way for now is to just relax and focus on another hobby/game that you can play meanwhile and enjoy it. It's impossible to theorize now how much money will we be able to make, and how much enjoyment the city builder will bring.

We should all spend whatever we can afford to lose. I see it as an investment, but it a gamified one, so... Let's hope it will be worth it 🙂

I believe with the IMX tool to make offers on the market, there will be many more land sales coming, as currently it is very hard to find lands that are close to each other and the owners are fragmented.

[deep bone]

Well said! I started playing Clash of Clans while waiting for Illuvium Zero - I’d like to think that now I’m even more excited for launch.

[teal mural]

https://tenor.com/view/pig-enjoy-trip-happy-gif-11677438

Sit back landlords and enjoy the ride

[desert elbow]

Wen wen wen

[glad junco]

Congrats on the plots bro!
And yes, you are correct in that FUD for us old timers is easier to fall into. That was kinda my point in that we really don’t have much to talk about in here so speculation seeps in and we start the “what if” debates lol. They are quite entertaining and keep the room alive. 😅

And don’t get me wrong - when (if - and I say if only to make a point that there is a non-zero chance that IZ could get scrapped) they announce even a lightest little thing that gives us any idea of what’s going on, there WILL be resurgence of FOMO and excitement.

you know biggest Crytpo Influencers will cover it: Alex Becker, Elliot, BB NFT team, AD, Johnny from Crypto Banter have all covered the project before and I’m sure they have land themselves and will cover any update from the team. That hype alone will make things super exciting in the crypto gaming space. So I’m excited for that WHEN (slight if) it comes!

[glad junco]

You’re in the pot bro! 😂 if I lose and I hope I do, I will gladly give up the 5 SILV! And first 5 rounds of drinks on me at the first ILLUVIUM/landowner meet 😂

[wise widget]

Sounds good buddy. And if by some crazy time warp we get to Jan 1st and the alpha still isn't out, I'll send ya 5 sILV2 straight up 👍🤝

[amber atlas]

The chances that IZ will be scrapped are so small, that we might as well consider them zero:

• Dmitriy is rendering out the last region art
• The game features are all built (and have been for several months)
• The new UI art is now in for several screens, and its a fairly methodical (albeit time consuming) process to get the rest in

---

once the UI art and last region art are in there's just some bug fixing and clean-up todo (I want to redo tutorial for example), but most of this is stuff (bugs) that we can accept in a first release if we have to... I think (almost) everyone is on board with a functional but slightly buggy alpha if it means an earlier release

after the aus crpyto con, I'll be focusing most of my time on getting the first release of IZ out

---

@whole spear wants to do a live session of him playing the game and going through various features, and the only reason I'm not allowing that is it doesn't make sense without the new UI, it will feel much better if we wait a few weeks and get that done

[whole spear]

Understandable

[wise widget]

Thanks for the update Johnny. 👍

[stiff talon]

Very excited! Great update @amber atlas and looking forward to that live session @whole spear 🙌🙌🙌

[steel breach]

Thank you for that mate.

[spring jetty]

@hearty cradle Good news for ya

[wary notch]

@whole spear wen live session???

[wary notch]

Thanks Johnny, great to know

[cinder willow]

Few weeks is what 17 weeks?

[empty path]

https://tenor.com/view/mr-clark-stranger-things-anything-is-possible-positive-mustache-gif-14483022

[tardy sail]

I’m ok waiting a few more weeks to get the frosting over the cake

[oak ruin]

A lot of lands being sold on the secondary. No way I am ever selling mine! haha

[hearty cradle]

oct - nov?

[vivid cipher]

You saw Johnny’s info? I’d think that could happen

[thin wolf]

Hello 5Silv🥳
Thanks Johnny

[austere whale]

Ser you got duped, he said SILV not SILV2

[reef jasper]

https://tenor.com/view/we-got-him-we-got-em-gif-21922291

[thin wolf]

https://tenor.com/view/you-dirty-son-of-bitch-kyle-broflovski-stan-marsh-south-park-s2e13-gif-21551980

[wise widget]

I noticed that too. Hoping they stay true to their word though

[hot bronze]

I want your setup!

[dusty agate]

At last some good news. Lets wait for few weeks 😂

[agile wasp]

Where is the secondary marketplace to buy land?

[dusty agate]

Illuvidex, immutable x

[radiant sky]

As far as i understood he won't do one? Because Johnny didn't allow it with old ui and Alpha is more or less just waiting for the new ui (and Bug fixing/clean up). So he will be allowed when alpha is anyway pretty close to be released.

[thin wolf]

@glad junco Ser,did you read this little note?

What to choose

[wise widget]

With my previously RushNbombs 5 sILV2 I think I'll get 2 ultra and 5 basic 😁

[brisk stump]

Hi guys can someone tell me please about the 5% distribution from fuel sells on illuvidex is it distibute in eth or ILV please? or fuels? Thanks

[analog inlet]

HI 2% goes to IMX 3% goes to the Revdis pool to be distributed to ILV Stakers RevDIS is currently paid out in Unlocked ILV

[mystic gull]

is he asking about fuel or trading fees?

[brisk stump]

thx 🙂 i was asking about trading fees

[mystic gull]

ok, read it wrongly then

[analog inlet]

Just to clarify fuel is not sold on the illuvidex only land.

Fuel will be sold "in game" in the OVERWORLD main game

[brisk stump]

np my english isn't so nice lolo

lol

[mystic gull]

Land gives fuel

[brisk stump]

ok 🙂 but sry .. i taugh fuel could be sold for eth

[dusty agate]

You sell it inside game.

[brisk stump]

ohh ok i got it 😄 thx for your help

[analog inlet]

No you don't sell fuel to other player you swap it to a balancer for ETH

here is some various info you may find informative #🎮〕illuvium-zero message

[dusty agate]

Think we need to build something on our land for that right?

[brisk stump]

Thanks a lot this helps a lot 😄 !!

[analog inlet]

to swap to the balancer ? Not that i am aware of . I don 't think anything been mentioned on how exactly this is done maybe a UI thing IDK

[dusty agate]

Maybe i am not sure too

[radiant sky]

On infoluvial they say you have to build a Marketplace

[analog inlet]

@dusty agate found this .

#🎮〕illuvium-zero message

Johnny | Illuvium — 10/09/2021
Elements or Fuels...? Current thinking:

• Fuel is sold to the pools and can't be sent directly to other players (else we can't properly maintain the pool balance to hit the target of 5% game revenue going to fuel producers, 95% to token holders )

• Elements cannot be transferred to other players at all for v1 or v2, but there may at some later date be an Element marketplace

• Transferring to your own sites will be possible for both Fuel and Elements, but there will be some kind of teleport/transfer cost (this almost certainly wont be in v1 but almost certainly will be in v2)

#🎮〕illuvium-zero message
Johnny | Illuvium — 01/24/2022
under the hood all resources need to go through the balancer pool, to ensure the ratio as well as ensure pool balnce, but from a user experience perspective it can still be one click (Marketplace -> Sell Resoruces (Sell to market) ... Zero-Point Transducer-> Transfer to Overworld (Move from your land to yourself)) (once on L2 (which may be day 1), there is no fee for this

[brisk stump]

Nice thanks u rock!

[glad junco]

Yeah I appreciate Johnny always addressing my questions.

Having said that, I think I’m closer to winning the 10 SILV than to losing it..

Aus cryto con is next week and and the focus on pushing IZ will start after that.. new UI isn’t implemented and will take a few weeks which takes us well into OCTOBER. Then bugs will have to be ironed out and they are revamping the tutorials let’s say that a few more weeks - that’s November. And they aren’t just gonna release it to us beucause it is a big deal. So now we’re looking at the marketing campaign and strategic launch (meaning - why launch in November/early December when you can announce a release for week of Christmas when everyone is off work and can play all day every day)

Holiday release seems like the likely/logical timeframe.

However, if they were confident for holiday releases, they would announce it. Since they haven’t, I’m sure they are leaving themselves breathing room.

Very conservative but makes sense

[hearty cradle]

so december?

[mystic umbra]

What more marketing needs to be done? They already sold us the land 😭 🤣

[hearty cradle]

they want u to sweep

[mystic umbra]

I doubt there’s going to be much more marketing before they release it to us, that’s just rubbing salt in the wound.

[hearty cradle]

they want people to play

and its gonna pump our bags

thats prob one flip u wanna try

theres no downside, if u dnt make profit u get more land
if u do, GG

NFA

[mystic umbra]

I have my doubts unless the skins prove lucrative

[near tusk]

whens the next land sale?

[fair temple]

When it needs to happen. That is likely so when the playerbase grows way quicker than the fuel production does on the 20K available land plots.

This could take 1month 6months or 2 years after game release 🙂

[mystic umbra]

There’s land for sale

[mystic umbra]

I think it’ll be 2 years honestly.

[near tusk]

oh they dont actually have a timeframe?

just happens when happens?

[fair temple]

I wouldnt be surprised if it was 2 years.

[mystic umbra]

Let the early adopters of land reap some sweet rewards even if it starts goin crazy

[hearty cradle]

we need to reach certain revenue for the next land sale

[near tusk]

or sell more land so more people can access it

[hearty cradle]

no

thats gonna dillute the value

[mystic umbra]

Even though 5% 5% split among 20,000 plots should be more valuable

[fair temple]

Aaron said the early buyers would have an edge over later ones. It makes sense to have the later sales be actually a bit later and not dilute the value by 2x and have the early holders be duped.

[near tusk]

so i should buy 1 now?

[mystic umbra]

Has anyone done the math on how many unique plot holders versus unique stakers and seen what the potential profitability is from an in-game revenue perspective. Would be interesting to see if since the number of land owners is likely lower, would that offset the greater percentage that stakers hold

[mystic umbra]

That’s up to you entirely

[fair temple]

Nfa do whatever you like. You can also buy one right before IZ launch or completely hold off on buying 🤷‍♂️

Only a couple weeks before we see the new UI!
#🎮〕illuvium-zero message

[mystic umbra]

I thought he was referring to rich being able to show it to us when he said a few weeks and rich would obviously get it to show us a few weeks before we got it. A few weeks here, a few weeks there and we’re looking at potentially 6 more weeks and that would place us halfway into October.

[fair temple]

Ohh that makes sense as well... then ill retract my statement. A couple more weeks than a couple weeks i suppose.

[near tusk]

how do you transfer funds from one L2 to another L2, like loopring L2 to IMX L2

[hearty cradle]

land has higher entry

[fair temple]

Id say: withdraw from Loopring to L1, then deposit on IMX

[mystic umbra]

His message also says a ‘few more weeks’ ‘few’ typically refers to 3 while ‘couple’ refers to two

[fair temple]

A couple means an undetermined amount. But i guess thats just my definition of it.

[hearty cradle]

maybe only count holder with the minimum value of plot T1 floor

[mystic umbra]

Go tell your wife a couple means undetermined

[fair temple]

Just googled it and i had no clue that couple was taken so literally in english. I learned something new today.

[whole spear]

That’s a few

[mystic umbra]

What’s a few

[whole spear]

Who knows

[fair temple]

A few = "undetermined"

[whole spear]

But more than 2

[mystic umbra]

Okay glad we’re all on the same page now

[near tusk]

heres a question with buying land on the illuvidex, are you able to make it seamless like Yumon which is another immutable NFT project where you can literally just use ur credit card to buy booster packs with some website it links known as stripe, meaning thats just a 1 step process to buy the NFT rather than the two or more steps with buying land on illuvium

its also the first project ive seen to use a 1 step rule to straight up buy it with no fees

[glad junco]

Lol the marketing isn’t for us it’s to get more people interested 🙂 Andrew Hall said in one of his streams that they will have a campaign for illuvitars and IZ. But again this is subject to change.

I highly doubt that they will release anything without first dropping a couple of teasers to create excitement (as they should).

They are victims of their own success which means they have to play by some of web 2 rules including holding pre launch events and things like that.

[empty path]

Victim of their own success, I like it

[thin wolf]

oh wow you double down on your view that we are not getting ILZ this year.i salute your resolve sir.

me and @wise widget are ready to recive next month

[glad junco]

😂 I’m just playing devils advocate and trying to include some of my logic.

Strategically and logically it doesn’t make sense to launch in October/November since these are pretty much dead months. These are better spent polishing and creating hype for launch which is what I believe they will do.

I CAN see them announcing an official release date for holiday drop in November, which will give people weeks to prep for the holiday drop.

But yeah I’m still leaning towards Q1 of 2023

No one is taking into account that they have strategic partnerships which also play into timelines. GameStop will have a say, if IMX has an big update they might have to work around that also. FTX might want to sponsor somehow.. there’s a lot that goes into timing these things correctly in order to maximize effectiveness

So Question: I’m sitting in ETH atm waiting on the merge. Once things settle down, should I grab a LIZZIE ORRRRR equivalent amount in LAND (probably tier 1s but maybe a couple 2s)? Would like to know where yall stand 😏
REACT TO VOTE :🦎 or 🏜

[vivid cipher]

Booster packs would be paid to the project directly and newly minted. While the IlluviDex is for player to player purchases of previously minted nfts. So it’s not quite the same thing.

But eth is eth

[grim moat]

hey guys, fell down a well. is illuvium zero out yet?

[teal mural]

Nope yet, we may hear something on the 17-18

[grim moat]

thanks homie, cant wait!

[sweet egret]

someone know around which range T1 land were sold in the initial land sale in € or $ ?

[topaz mauve]

You can check it yourself by going to illivum land website, then filter "sold", unfilter tier 5 (would be automatically) choosen - feel free to check anything.

I found that most of the land was sold more expensive than it currently is, HOWEVER, there was more choice, so people could grab lands close to each other, which is now almost impossible,.

I was able to get nice T1T2 close to each other yesterday for 1.1ETH, but it far from getting 4 close to each other.

[sweet egret]

found it. Thanks for the hint 🙂

but is that sold price the minted price from the auction?

[vivid cipher]

It is not. It’s rather difficult to find the mint prices. But people have done it and shared it in extensive files in this channel. I’ll see if I can find one

[hollow shoal]

So we still hopefully for September ? 🙂

[empty path]

Don’t think so

[vivid cipher]

So any idea how to find the previously pinned land sale docs form people that had shared the sale price data

[empty path]

@brisk plume said he would look if he can still find it. It got unpinned somehow

Or search his messages in this channel? I’m on phone

[vivid cipher]

I may have the google drive link. I could post that.

[vivid cipher]

I tried. And failed

[empty path]

https://tenor.com/view/austin-powers-ouch-ouch-baby-oof-pain-gif-15786783

[vivid cipher]

This is only a partial list of the lowest sale prices during the land sale. But I think the last few rounds were about average.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Yy79XNmMVh2kcGV8dqc7PBcTJQk0_RD63LHTS0oUeiI/edit

[sweet egret]

thanks for post it here!

[hearty cradle]

u can swing trade liz, they swing between 1.1 and 1.6

[dry mango]

https://tenor.com/view/screech-trade-fantasy-saved-by-the-bell-hiding-gif-12912118

[topaz mauve]

Guys, is there more information on megacities anywhere? The only thing I could find about them, it's their size of 2x2 or 3x3 and that the Fuel landmark will boost the other plots.

I wonder if it is worth combining T1s or T2s...

[dry mango]

doesn't have a lot of detailed information about megacities, since it's a future expansion

[queen folio]

Here's a screenshot of the Megacity section of the Land article https://medium.com/illuvium/51-land-sale-explained-8cbadfb6a6b5

A couple of points in there on sharing resources too 🙂

[stiff talon]

Honestly the only benefit I can think of if you aren't using a T4 or T3 with a boost is you can have essentially one plot to control instead of having to login to different plots as far as my understanding is that the land becomes one as a megacity. This would also save you in transferring of elements if you have left over in another plot that can be used on one that may need more. The disadvantage is you only get 1 scanner per plot so if a megacity is considered 1 plot then you only get that one scanner. But it can also be argued you would have more elements to expend on more scans in a given day. But until the game comes out it's all hear say. Also if you look at the picture above they mention that there maybe megacity only features in the future so having a megacity for the long term maybe something lucrative.

[radiant sky]

Well said sir

[topaz mauve]

Thanks a lot. Amazing response.

[topaz mauve]

Thank you.

So, as I understood, it's actually extremely hard to get 4 plots and the main advantage would be to have T4 with a landmark of the similar fuel type on T2s and T1s which is hard to achieve provided the scarcity of supply on the market.

I have watched quite a lot of videos and stuff, am I correct, that T2s give the best return if I have around 5ETH and 1.5h max a day to manage the plots?

I can get either one T3 and T1 or four T2.

This weekend bought 3 T1s and 1 T2 already, thinking of probably changing the strategy.

I really wanted to focus on the fuel as a priority, rather than blueprints. T1s fuel output is really low. I feels like going for four T2s will be the best solution for me.

[radiant sky]

t1 is pretty much the worst you can buy if it comes to fuel production

[stiff talon]

T1s are for sure better for a blueprint strategy but if you looking for fuel then the best would be higher tiers that give higher fuel output. If you bought four T2s then I think you could have more of a balance between fuel/blueprint. The tier 3 would have a higher fuel output and the landmark would help you build it up quicker to have a more efficient plot. It's really up to your strategy at the end of the day. I play league of legends and TFT and I'm more interested in a blueprint strategy as I have seen how big skins are in most multiplayer games. I'm not sure how the returns will be regarding fuel just yet. From what I've read based on the speculation. It will take a year of fuel sales to make a return on your investment. So that's not including any blueprint sales.

[radiant sky]

the blue colored show you the $price you have to pay for 1 fuel site

t4 is totally dependet what fuelsites with what landmarks... so there the number is not really exact...

[topaz mauve]

I am really in the game for years, something I would like to focus on long-term. I played WoW for 10 years, and all of that is wasted, expect being fun and incredible journey. One year of getting your investment still sounds insane tbh. Even if it takes 2 years, I am good.

[topaz mauve]

Which means that T2s is the best strategy for fuel, unless you have 20 ETH for T4 with a good landmark, right?

[stiff talon]

Normal ROI generally is 3 years but bigger companies like Uber still haven't reach ROI and companies like Spotify took longer than that allotted 3 year time. I think lands are extremely undervalued and I think when the game starts and we start building on our land then that will raise value as any land built up will be sold with the buildings etc.

[radiant sky]

i think so, but keeep in mind. Blueprints will have some value, it will be just very luck based what you get. t4 with right landmark and right fuel sites will have a way better $/fuel price than on my calculation. if you do a megacity the numbers will change aswell. with ILV you not only have fuel, but also revdis.
but if you wana buy just 1 plot, t2 is probably the way to go.

[stiff talon]

Look it depends on strategy. T4 would be best for fuel because of the landmark for sure. T2s from my understanding have the best ROI and are really undervalued while T1s because of the high trading volume and the ease of barrier to entry is overvalued. But yeah there's many extraneous variables such as lands that are perfectly distributed as well versus land with only 1 element and 1 type of fuel. These are things we will only learn later on. Like for example I believe land with equal element and fuel ratio as a single plot is perfect but if I had a land with just 1 element and it happens to be in a megacity with a tier 3 with that landmark. That becomes more lucrative. I think there's a lot to learn and we haven't scratched the surface yet.

[stiff talon]

I've got a perfect tier 2 land as one of my plots. I do think tier 2 is a decent investment but that's based off of my speculation and anything can change... We just gotta learn from Alpha and see what happens when the game releases.

[radiant sky]

indeed.
as you mentioned i got myself a megacity with right landmark and good amount of the same fuel in the adjectant lands. sounds logical to me that this wont be a bad way to go.
also got some t2/t3 with somehow balanced output in possible megacity area, which i can probably flip lateron for a good price.
but with that less info we got so far... no one knows what price will be reasonable with what land.

[stiff talon]

Yeah I honestly think that's a solid strategy and that's why it's hard to speculate what's good and what's not as it depends on the strategy and how everything pans out. Things are gonna be super interesting when they add the feature to make an offer to other plot sites. People are gonna try make some megacities!

[amber atlas]

"Aus cryto con is next week and and the focus on pushing IZ will start after that" -> just to be clear the push of one extra person... me... will start after that, the team has been working full speed for a long time. The main benefit of having me on the team is I have both the game design knowledge and the authority.

For example changing the tutorial for Matt (one of the devs) might mean: meeting with the writers and game designers to discuss the issues, discussing the timeline for the story, design, code (and possibly art) elements with Nick, and then once everyone is okay with it, building it. For me I'll just re-design the tutorial so it feels good to me and to hell with everyone else 🙂

I wouldn't do that for a final launch, but for an alpha it should help us get over the hump.

[radiant sky]

https://tenor.com/view/mando-way-this-is-the-way-mandalorian-star-wars-gif-18467370

[opal thistle]

https://tenor.com/view/my-man-neil-degrasse-tyson-startalk-thats-my-man-thats-my-man-right-there-gif-22234534

[icy thicket]

So excited for ILV Zero!!!

[cinder valve]

we are real close, like real close.
pumping out some animations, 700GB of RAM used lol

[mystic umbra]

Like pb2 close or like overworld beta close 😆

[cinder valve]

Like something never seen before close

[woven kestrel]

https://tenor.com/view/what-gif-18120069

[orchid isle]

https://tenor.com/view/so-close-basketball-thomas-morris-gif-18086098

[rotund reef]

The tutorial doesn't have to be perfect. It is an Alpha version after all.

[radiant sky]

Probably more of a gamma than Alpha version

[orchid isle]

if its not aaa what the fuck have we been waiting for

[icy thicket]

There will be so many Tutorials made by the content creators 😉 we don't need one in the Alpha 😉 lol

[rotund reef]

I agree. I'm patient and I understand the process, but if the friggin tutorial of all things is what's holding up the release, just give us what you have. It's going to get adjusted anyway.

[icy thicket]

@thorn salmon answering here since this is for the land and ILV Zero... the limited 100k plots will make them more valuable and in demand.

Everyone can play the FREE Illuvium Zero game, but only the land owners earn FUEL & Blueprints for in game

[thorn salmon]

This game is considered a play-to-earn, so I think only land lords can be count as real players, free version is only for testing of newbies

[dry mango]

!f2p

[dry forge]

You begin our game with a free-to-play experience that immerses you in our richly-detailed world, lets you enjoy some action, and helps you understand how the game works. The free-to-play experience of the Tier 0 regions will familiarize you with Illuvium and won’t feel like an “abridged” version of the game. It is a full-fledged gameplay experience! If you like it, you can then decide to opt into the paid experience, start collecting NFTs from higher tiered regions and delve into deeper adventures to explore the mysteries of the game where the NFTs you gather start to hold more value as well.

Just after game launch, when everyone starts fresh, you might even be able to sell free Tier 0 NFTs on the IlluviDEX for ETH, but there is no guarantee for that.

[dry mango]

You don't need a land to play

!earn

[dry forge]

In Illuvium there will be several options to P2E:

• sell captured Illuvials
• sell farmed materials
• sell crafted items
• wager on battles in the Leviathan Arena
• earn some of the 1 Million ILV set aside for in-game rewards

BUT, while the game will be free to play, in order to participate in the earning part of the economy, a bit of money needs to be invested.

[amber atlas]

the tutorial in these kind of games is pretty important, it overrides the entire UI to provide a session that takes you through each step of getting started, and awards you vital resources along the way

I guess we could totally scrap it, assume the land holders will figure it out, and grant the extra resources at start... but that would be a call to be made if it is the only thing blocking release

---

not a bad idea to put that in the back pocket if we need it, I guess most land holders would be happy just watching a walkthrough video instead of an in-game tutorial

[icy thicket]

Even after the Alpha is released, there will be so much crowd sourcing/community teamwork to find the best/fastest/most efficient way to lay out lands and optimize research.

The content and streams will be overflowing!!! 🙂

LFG - CANNOT WAIT FOR ALL THE CONTENT TO FOLLOW FROM ILLUVIUM!! BEST GAME STUDIO IN RECENT YEARS!

[amber atlas]

the tutorial is just about the basics, when you first start it can be hard to understand the relationships between things and what order stuff should be done, definitely a must for public launch

[rotund reef]

I agree with this too though. I am the guy who would always read the instructions cover to cover before I would play the game. If it goes over the order, I would wait an extra week or two for that for sure.

I had always assumed we would have to figure that out on our own, but if you're going to tell us, that's even better.

[amber atlas]

a basic tutorial system has been in since the original gameplay video

[radiant sky]

Naa you don't! We all know how Tutorials work... Skip, skip, skip,skip,... ... Skip.... Start game.

[amber atlas]

in any case this conversation is enough to make me think we can make the updates to this system be the last thing on the list

[rotund reef]

Ever read the instruction manual on the toilet while you're super baked? You'll never go back.

[radiant sky]

Sure most of the time it would be better, so you aren't absolutely clueless and Start clickingbvarious Buttons...but who cares at least you are in the actual game now 😂

[radiant sky]

Actually... I did... 🙃

[rotund reef]

For this though, you're going to spend all that time harvesting resources, only to put your new building in a bad place? I'd wait a couple more weeks to avoid that.

[radiant sky]

Idk... I imagine it to be pretty basic kind of a city builder, if i have a Look at the building selection. Just read the description what the building does, and it will be pretty much self-explanatory.
Maybe i'm wrong and Johnny kills us all with the complexity of ilz 🤷🏻

[rotund reef]

I was thinking it would be pretty basic too, then I heard some people saying that your scanner needs to be far away from every other building etc etc, and I started to think differently.

Getting all the way to the scanner, and putting IT in the wrong location would be a crazy bummer

[radiant sky]

Mmh sounds not very complicated to me... Just put it in the other corner than most of your sites are🙂
I think/hope you can replace your Buildings AT any time, so you can switch them arround to Make your Base more efficient for x and if you don't need it anymore, you can rearrange the Buildings to push y...

[rotund reef]

That would be cool if we can just pick them up and move them at will

[woeful gate]

Do we still have no ETA for IZ launch?