🎮〕illuvium-zero

[hearty cradle]

pfp nft is your membership to the community

its yur avatar on twitter, soon instagram

just like illuvitar

your avatar in ilv

[worn scaffold]

Of course, it's not just about how "limited" something should be, there are numerous purposes for which you can use an NFT.

I don't see any added value (as mentioned earlier in JPEGs like artwork etc...) I do see added value in having 'a proof (NFT)' so that you are the first to have access to certain fashion/watches etc.. In addition, with an NFT you create the possibility to actually earn some money with gaming e.d., since you can transfer your possession to someone else.

My motto is therefore; why should you play a game for fun, when you can also play a game for fun and earn money at the same time.

But yes, there will be an eternal feud between both of them. But this whole discussion started with; what will happen to NFTs whenever the royalties will dissapear. Well in my opinion, this will only hurt the artwork makers 😉

[vapid bough]

For the latest leaks on Illuvium Zero Gameplay, check it out here: #🚰〕leaks message

[whole stirrup]

Is it just me or I recall hearing about IZ date being in sept in the recent leak vid?

https://tenor.com/view/letterkenny-allegedly-gif-10608199

[empty path]

The goal is September but nothing official yet. Once they are sure they can make it, they will post a date.

[umbral hull]

It's not guaranteed or official. Just what one member of the team is hoping.

[queen folio]

Nick made a comment in Discord about September being the goal-- we can hope!

[whole stirrup]

Ill take that

Im very excited to quit my job and leave my family so I can play 24/7

https://tenor.com/view/timmy-turner-gaming-animation-gamer-addicted-gif-7368932

[umbral hull]

I dont think you'll even have to leave your day family

[mellow geyser]

i love this comment!

[hearty cradle]

you have a family and a job?

[whole stirrup]

I dont, the process will be even easier

Ive been working on a business plan... Im aiming to be the first ILV streamer on onlyfans

[lyric hamlet]

Lol

[empty path]

[trail forge]

That was my plan!

Hot Tub ILV streamer

[hearty cradle]

u got boops?

[high cedar]

Hey guys, new here, when will Illuvium zero be playable?

Thinking of buying land

[empty path]

There is no official launch date yet but the team is hoping to be able to launch alpha in September

[rotund reef]

New TSG video confirming September release rumors. Just expect it to come out in December. This way, if it doesn't come out in September, you won't have a mental breakdown over a video game release.

[orchid isle]

https://tenor.com/view/let-me-in-eric-andre-wanna-come-in-gif-13730108

[hearty cradle]

https://tenor.com/view/lack-of-faith-darth-vader-star-wars-i-find-your-lack-of-faith-disturbing-gif-21611529

[fathom ridge]

RUMOURS is the key word there!

Just sharing the info that we’re getting. I said this at least 5 times in my vid! Nothing is confirmed! Take all of this with a multiple grains of salt!

[wind briar]

https://gfycat.com/imaginativegratefulgalapagosmockingbird

[wind briar]

dude....

just deleting that for my sanity

[queen folio]

No matter which channel I go into...

Can't escape the "bruh.." moments

[mystic umbra]

Did I do something wrong

If I saw that when I looked up fliiish in gifs you had to see it too

[wind briar]

well its not offensive, just makes me wanna puke tbh

lol personal preference

[queen folio]

https://tenor.com/view/how-rude-gif-24177081

[mystic umbra]

https://tenor.com/view/pog-fish-fish-mouth-open-gif-17487624

[wind briar]

next time have flashing lights when you say it

[fathom ridge]

I'll definitely do that with police sirens too!
Promise to keep improving hahah

[empty path]

https://tenor.com/view/love-illuvium-ilv-trip-digital-drugs-gif-23271287

[hollow shoal]

TSG! Can you post the brightland leak you had in your video please? Or tag me in it?

[harsh dew]

My eyes are bleeding o_o

[fathom ridge]

will do! I'll do it after Illuvitalks

[hollow shoal]

Thanks mate! Can’t wait for Illuvitalks!

[mild umbra]

How is IZ not released yet? That's not really a good look on the management team announcing the release would be 3-4 weeks after the sale, yet here we are at 3 months and no update?

[hearty cradle]

september

the team said

[empty path]

There was never an official announcement saying 3-4 weeks. The team is aiming for a September release but nothing official yet. Once they are sure they can launch the alpha, they will post an date.

[mild umbra]

That's my point. The 3-4 weeks was not official either

[hearty cradle]

it was a bad look and i was deeply dissapointed

i just wanted a raw alpha iz

[empty path]

And 3 months? Is it that long already?

still 3 weeks for 3 months 😉

[mild umbra]

TokenTrove is saying the longest sale was 3 months ago

[hearty cradle]

feels like 3 years

[empty path]

Wow TokenTrove had land before the land sale?

[hearty cradle]

sneaky

[stiff talon]

Haha Fraggy 🤣

[thin wolf]

It will definitely be worth the wait.
could you honestly tell me you would be fine with the first iteration of the game?

[hearty cradle]

yes

i was looking for it

it's rare to try a game in it's alpha stage

getting involved in the development was part of web3

in web2, beta access key is highly sought after

[thin wolf]

Fair enough.2 weeks until september🥳

[mellow geyser]

🥳

[potent gale]

how much was land when it dropped?

[harsh acorn]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/19UGv4AX7rPups8VoxbpOatSqm2hhJ5XAPfGEFyJB-sU/edit?pli=1#gid=437416570

[potent gale]

thanks will there be more tier 1 sale soon or all 20k lands have been released?

[white axle]

you can still buy them on immutable

[potent gale]

im aware but wondering if there will be more minting. been out of the loop lately

[white axle]

next land sale will take some time it was mentioned in some youtube ab out illuvium

They want the first land owners to be happy with the income first

[potent gale]

so are all 20k plots been sold?

for the first land sale

[white axle]

yes 20k of 100k are sold

[queen folio]

First sale was 20k land plots-- all were minted/sold.

But there is a total of 100k land plots so there will be sales in the future for the rest of the 80k

[potent gale]

okay noted thanks so the one in immutable right now is all minted on the auction?

on the file above the where was the eth price

[queen folio]

Correct-- any listings there are from the 20k that were minted during the first land sale 🙂

[potent gale]

did the land cost as much as it was minted right now? (0.3eth) for tier 1

[undone phoenix]

Still missing sale on 2 of those 👽

[queen folio]

The land sale was a Dutch Auction format... so the lands were sold in batches across 3 days. The price started high and decreased over time...prices paid are all different since it depended on when someone chose to buy.

It seems like the Google Document link up above shows the ETH floor price for each tier in each batch that Illuviman was able to record

[queen folio]

Ah true--- 2 plots still not yet sold... the Tier 5s 👀

[potent gale]

when it say 1,1 it means 1.1 eth right?

[queen folio]

Right. That's how I interpret it, at least 👍

[potent gale]

okay thanks again atlas sends love

[paper flame]

Only one plot on tokentrove.com Must be a glitch.

[onyx cosmos]

I think tokentrove is broken for Illuvium?

[vivid cipher]

Just a heads up @lean sparrow

[onyx cosmos]

Thank you, didn't remember the guy's name

[lean sparrow]

Thanks, looking at them now

[paper flame]

Thanks buddy. Can you get the floor to stop dropping too?

[queen folio]

[lean sparrow]

Thats your job. Keep buying

and we back btw*

[hollow shoal]

Does anyone have the brightland steppes zero leak? 🙂

[plucky spire]

Posted this in general and reasking here since people suggested it.

Can anyone give me a quick explanation of the draw of illuvium zero for the average non crypto gamer?

[reef jasper]

Is there a way to find what a land plot went for off the initial sale? All I can seem to find are prices from previous aftermarket sales

[timber sapphire]

https://c.tenor.com/jz9zbyxIM7cAAAAM/hottub-magic.gif

[winter python]

For me it’s the technology and the ability to earn money…

I haven’t played any crypto games TBH this will be my 1st

[vivid cipher]

Technically yes. But it’s a little complicated. Since the sale was originally paid for on ethereum mainnet. So if you see the original wallet on the IlluviDex and then follow that to immutascan you can find the transaction to look for on etherscan and see how much they paid to mint it.

I usually use this spreadsheet and guess. #🎮〕illuvium-zero message

[paper flame]

The land on tokentrove.com is selling for less than the landsale floor. Alot of us were able to use sILV2 though. You can't do that now.

[reef jasper]

the lands I minted myself do not have a price but the lands I bought on secondary show price

[reef jasper]

yes i know, I have bought several, thank you! Just trying to find my original entry price for a few of my plots

[paper flame]

I got 2 tier 2 for 1.20 Eth Each. Floor wasn't much lower than that. Gonna get a tier 1 now. Need some Solon.

[vivid cipher]

I’m fairly certain they only show the first price from a second sale.

[vivid cipher]

You can find the transactions on etherscan if you minted them.

[reef jasper]

it shows value of $0

[neat tangle]

is illuvium zero the only way to get fuel and resources (aside from buying them on the market) or will there be other ways in the full game to obtain them?

[vivid cipher]

As part of the overworld maingame it will be possible to swap eth for fuel. And the elements from illuvium zero will not be able be used in the overworld game. Fuel will not be available outside of that pool or IZ.

[neat tangle]

thanks for answering! so in the overworld when people swap eth for fuel are they basically buying the land owners fuel? or is it coming from somewhere else?

[little moon]

Land produces about 5% of the fuel and the rest is generated by the DAO. This allows the fuel prices to be held relatively stable so that the game doesnt become unreasonably expensive or cheap to play.

[neat tangle]

thanks! is it known yet approximately what these costs are or how much fuel is needed for example to travel between worlds? im wondering if a tier 1 land would give me enough fuel to comfortably play through the main game

[little moon]

We have no idea what the costs in fuel would be. I think its likely that the low tier travel costs less than $10 but its hard to say how much value a T1 would produce and over what time period.

[onyx cosmos]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-patrick-patrick-star-broke-poor-gif-14729256

[glad junco]

Sooo the September lauch is getting some traction. everyone feeling bullish?!

[tall bear]

is a september launch confirmed for IZ Alpha ?

[wise widget]

Brrrr 🥶🥶

[little moon]

Nah, September is the current target but we wont get a confirmed date till they have it ready.

[tall bear]

oh :/

remember when they said "around 3 weeks after land sale" xD

[harsh acorn]

Looks Cool! 🥶 The only thing it needs is Slappin 🐧 ice skatin around!!

[little moon]

I’m excited have one land in there can’t wait!!

[glad junco]

Not confirmed but 2 of the team members said they are pushing for sept

[subtle frost]

Is iL0 going to be an app on android only?

Or both iOS and Android when it comes out

As alpha

[glad junco]

So TSG on YouTube mentioned that it won’t be an app on either. It’ll be a website optimized for mobile game play.. don’t know how true that is but I wouldn’t be surprised

@subtle frost

[wise widget]

Haha that'll have to be in a future update. We see them flash by when scanning 😍 So glad I've got a plot in Taiga Boreal 💪🥶

[harsh acorn]

Yeah I've got me a T2 there I'm super stoked.

[orchid isle]

I can’t use the fuel I produce in my land that’s some bs

[harsh acorn]

Fuel generated in ILV-0 is sold into a balancer pool from the details we have received so you can then convert it to the fuel you need to play the Overworld game.

[orchid isle]

lets say i produce fuel in my land sell it for eth thats a crypto to crypto transaction. aka taxable then i have to buy it with the eth and then show the tax man what happened... really complicated for something i shouldnt have to do

@ someone who is in control of this can you explain to me your reasoning for punishing the land owners in this way

[harsh acorn]

I'm no official tax person but I'm determining the minute I withdraw money from the game to my bank account a taxable event. Anything traded and done in the game is just entertainment and part of the game until then.

[orchid isle]

as a quazi tax person this may be a taxable event

[harsh acorn]

Yeah it's kinda grey area to be sure

[twilit bough]

Thanks buddy

[little moon]

They have talked about offering a transaction that does both the swap from fuel on the land to ETH and the swap back to Fuel and you just pay the fee and the contract handles it for you.
The reason they do it this way is to properly manage the amount of fuel being produced by the DAO because its based on how much fuel land owners are contributing to the pool.

[orchid isle]

now its money laundering

[little moon]

no its not 🤣

[harsh acorn]

I'm wondering if the swap will be done on L2 IMX to greatly reduce gas

[orchid isle]

Money laundering typically involves three steps: The first involves introducing cash into the financial system by some means ("placement"); the second involves carrying out complex financial transactions to camouflage the illegal source of the cash ("layering"); and finally, acquiring wealth generated from the transactions of the illicit funds ("integration").

[potent dock]

https://tenor.com/view/not-sure-hmm-thinking-are-you-serious-fry-gif-16246481

[amber atlas]

firstly I am not qualified to give you tax advice, so please seek advice from appropriate professionals in your country, but generally:

• many countries allow transactions for personal use to not be categorised as income, if you are playing Zero to fund your Overworld play, this may be personal use
• if not, then I would suggest you speak to your accountant about categorising Overworld play as part of your business activities, thus you would have an income transaction and and expense transaction, both of equal value, they would neeed to be tracked, but the net result is 0

[little moon]

The contract just ensures that theres no price slippage during the multi transaciton which means theres no change of basis on the 'bridge' asset (in this case ETH in the pool) so theres not 2 distinct transactions to report.

its like using ETH to swap on a weth pool

[orchid isle]

net result of 0 but still have to report every transaction

[high sleet]

I've spoken to a tax accountant on this topic at length. At least in Australia this holds true however it needs to be clear that your eth gains/fuel ingame is not intended as an investment. If the aus government even in 10 years taps u on the shoulder and is like yeah bruh u hodled that eth we ain't dummies. Then they gonna tax u for all its worth. Honestly I don't think they're that smart but yeah that's somewhat how the rules are governed here

Supposedly it would even help to write a document that's clearly dated that says my goal is purely for personal use before you start

[trail forge]

If anyone has excess eth/fuel from their land and they dont want to get taxed on it they can just send it to me

I'll take the hit

[amber atlas]

which is why I said "they would need to be tracked"... reporting varies from country to country (in Australia for example you generally need to retain the records, but you only have to report the summaries)... in any case you should seek advice from a qualified professional

[orchid isle]

short answer from qualified professional... "money laundering is taking elicit (illegally obtained) money and transferring it between two or more accounts" also US based each transaction would be a taxable event.

[amber atlas]

why would the money be illegally obtained, that makes no sense whatsoever

[harsh acorn]

How is digital currency made in a game considered illegal?

[orchid isle]

if you didn't report taxes on crypto trades and used the profits to buy land... may be illegally obtained... (gray area)

[amber atlas]

given we are literally talking about reporting it, that makes no sense

if you do something illegal then that's on you, as I said many countries have exemptions for personal use, if yours doesn't then you have to report it

[orchid isle]

back to my original point why are you creating tax implications for land owners

[amber atlas]

if you played the main game with your account, and got NFTs, then there would still have tax implications

[orchid isle]

upon sale

[amber atlas]

in Australia receiving an NFT is a CGT event (capital gain), I expect it will be similar in most countries

there is a transaction where you gain something

[wise widget]

Just a T1 for me & a T1 in Shardbluff too. Super stoked to have two different lands to experience 😍💪

[orchid isle]

hey im not sure this discussion needs to go on in this chat... is it ok if i message you directly?

[amber atlas]

no I can't provide tax advice

probably said too much as it is

last I'm saying on this:

• long story short, we can't consider the detailed tax implications of every country in building our games, else we would spend all of our dev effort addressing them
• transactions will be clear and transparent (hurray blockchain)
• where specific challenges arise we may build features to address them
• but your tax is your business, and you should seek advice from a qualified professional

---

[orchid isle]

2C:21-25 Money laundering, illegal investment, crime.

3.A person is guilty of a crime if the person:
(2)knowing that the transaction is designed in whole or in part:
(b)to avoid a transaction reporting requirement under the laws of this State or any other state or of the United States; or

[wise widget]

Your tax your business

[harsh acorn]

This is posted in the pinned comments

"Approximately 5% of revenue from all current and future Illuvium games goes to landholders, because each time they sell Fuel, the DAO also sells 19x that value.

The balancer pool mechanisms are designed to meet Fuel supply and demand. The DAO always supplies 19x player Fuel to achieve the 5% rate. Pricing rails keep the Fuel price fluctuations between +/-25% (i.e. A Fuel with 1 ETH base price - it could range between 0.75 - 1.25 ETH. This pricing is used for illustrative purposes only).

Fuel cannot be transferred to another wallet because it is only turned into an ERC-20 token when swapped in the Balancer Pool for ETH. However, we may implement a way to do this in the future."

When selling your fuel into the balancer pool this could be considered a taxable event. Not Tax Advice, if you want to avoid the taxable event don't convert in balancer pool until your personnaly ready to accept the tax implications

[whole spear]

I was always told “do my best” on my taxes was good enough

[orchid isle]

me 2 im done with all the tax stuff now just wanted to bring up something to consider

[amber atlas]

no one is saying don't report it, I'm specifically saying do what your country laws say to do, and seek advice from a professional to make sure you are doing that correctly

[wise widget]

Edited this message out just in case it somehow influences anyone to do anything that may contravene a law somewhere.

[amber atlas]

there are a few countries that specifically exmpt crypto from all taxation, maybe its time to move

🙂

[orchid isle]

so lets say woody doesnt report his land and lives where i do he is now charged with money laundering cause this comment

[wise widget]

Did you not see the /s???

[harsh acorn]

The IRS just went on a hiring spree. I'm moving to a crypto safe-haven lol

[orchid isle]

https://tenor.com/view/innocent-not-guilty-hes-innocent-gif-14887810

[orchid isle]

i lied about this final final comment lets say someone illicitly obtained money through a hack/through whatever used it to gain eth used the eth to gain land, or tumbled it through tornado cash then used it to buy land... then used that land to generate fuel that is now in the pool all the users who are pulling from that pool may or may not be implicated... (not financial advice)

[mystic umbra]

So, players will be taxed on the t0 illuvials they collect even if they do not want to do the crypto side of things?

[twilit bough]

Damn. I was happy to see Johnny wrote and it is all about tax only lol

[harsh acorn]

Yeah taxes be boring I could never be a CPA

[little moon]

Well if thats the logic then every liquidity pool is a money laundering operation. Nothing you described is unique to the IZ pool.

[orchid isle]

truth

[little moon]

Are the money launderers in the room with you now?

[potent dock]

People doing illegal things with their illegally obtained money run the risk of being caught. That doesn't really have anything to do with the structure of IL:Z's Fuel/ETH LP. It sucks if you have to log and pay taxes on 2 events in whatever country you live in, but nothing about the LP is designed to make you pay more tax. It's just a consequence of the evolving nature of how each country handles crypto tax. If it's dumb/doesn't make sense, you can try and get it changed, there are crypto advocacy groups doing that all the time.

Personally, I just stay in my lane and pay taxes 😉

[tardy fern]

its a grey area in NZ also. Depending on what accountant you ask they will give you different answers with how crypto + nfts should be taxed. What the IRD says with how it should be taxed, no one or very few people do lol

Imo the money that leaves your bank account is your investment, the moment money comes back into your bank account and it exceeds your upfront investment, is profit which should be taxed.

Everything else when you are trading eth - btc - ada - eth - land - fuel - eth - usdc - btc is exactly the same as trading an iphone - laptop - car - camera and these events aren't taxed until fiat is used

You could even go as far to say it is the exact same as swapping company shares for other company shares and I doubt that would be a taxable event until fiat is used unless you are wanting to tax unrealised gains

[orchid isle]

let say for someone (nitro) that lives in the us and is (1) hardcore gamer that plays 365 days a year (2) owns land and sells it to the pool each day (3) and 3 has to buy fuel each day to be "the very best like no one ever was" at a rate of 1 purchase per day. nitro now has to do 700+ transactions instead of 365

[tardy fern]

theres probably a very high chance that some of the money you have in your bank account right now has been used for illegal trx in the past

[harsh acorn]

https://c.tenor.com/HiQdeRUxtikAAAAM/money-printer-money-printing.gif

[potent dock]

The alternative is to break the 19:1 DAO:land Fuel ratio. You sell Fuel from land into the pool, at which point Fuel is minted, and swapped for ETH.

If you could direct transfer Fuel out of land, it would be much more difficult to maintain an appropriate ratio.

Additionally, if Fuel were minted every time it were generated, it would create a prohibitive number of transactions on IMX. It's much more efficient to bulk mint Fuel when it's being used, instead of minting (just an example, not based on any stats) .01 Fuel every 10 seconds and performing a transaction every time that occurs.

The system currently being implemented makes the most sense IMO. It checks all the boxes for technical limitations, convenience etc. I do agree that it's unfortunate some countries will charge you tax per transaction, even when the transaction is effectively meaningless. That, however, is not something that should be designed around. Which country's tax laws would you be optimizing for?

[orchid isle]

my solution would be... user (nitro) creates fuel from their land then nitro can directly mint their fuel directly to the in game player.

since its only a fraction of the 5% it shouldn't effect the ratios

[proper void]

Is Illuvium Zero out yet?

[reef jasper]

check pinned messages

[dry mango]

Not yet

[tardy fern]

@whole spear from testing out the game, what do you think is a manageable amount of lands to build out and maintain by yourself?

Im keen to buy a few more t1s but not sure ill have the time

[empty path]

Depends how much time you have 😉

[tardy fern]

im a web designer snd my hours are pretty flexible, so maybe 8-12 hours free time?

no kids unfortunately otherwise they would be helping out haha

[empty path]

So that's easy 15-25 plots 🤷‍♀️

[tardy fern]

sweet as, have you tested iz also?

[empty path]

Just not sure if you want to spend 12h / day over and over

I have not

[tardy fern]

maybe it will be a heavier time investment in the beginning until all the lands are built out, then it would maybe be 1 hour each day checking in on the plots?

[empty path]

Kieran said in an AMA it would be 20-30 min / plot

[tardy fern]

even after being fully built?

or during the building stage?

[empty path]

Probably during building

[tardy fern]

ok sweet as, did he say anything about how much more time the higher tiers would be?

[empty path]

Hmmm don't think so

[tardy fern]

wow amazing

Its probably like clash of clans right where you only have a certain amount of builders?

so only x amount of time you can spend building

[empty path]

Sorry, I don't know. You were right to tag Rich 😅

[mystic umbra]

I know our builders are limited

[tardy fern]

calling phone a friend lol

[mystic umbra]

I don’t want to say it’s 2 but I know there is a limitation

[willow torrent]

So we may get alpha access for land in Sept. But wasnt the roadmap having illuvitars first?

[empty path]

Community voted to delay Illuvitars until album feature is ready

[willow torrent]

fair, wanted to clarify that was the thing. thanks Fraggy

[tardy fern]

does anyone want to swap a t3 crymson waste or shardsbluff for a t3 abysal basin or crystal shores?

[hearty cradle]

crimson is so strong

[crystal wave]

i can swap my t2 crimson for a t3 😀

[tardy fern]

theres a t3 crimson at floor pretty much

[cyan dew]

It can be lower than that imo

[shrewd flax]

Wen illuvium zero launch?

[empty path]

No official dates announced, team is pushing for a September launch but a date will be only be posted once they are 100% sure they can make it happen.

[hearty cradle]

how about 99% sure?

[fathom ridge]

then no date

[little moon]

long time! and still waiting for Zero

life is hard! will catch me , meanwhile im in the AxieCon

[hollow shoal]

I’d say so.

[spring jetty]

what happened to T5 auction? I almost forgot about it

[empty path]

It's on the council meeting agenda

[radiant sky]

🤔 ilz Alpha release before t5 auction?

[floral locust]

It would be cool to create some hype for T5 to coincide with Alpha in some way

[real dawn]

do we know how high the chances are to get at least one blueprint in the alpha with only one land?

[empty path]

https://tenor.com/view/touching-grass-touch-gif-21219969

[empty path]

As high as @brisk plume

[floral locust]

If you play consistently through alpha you will get something

[real dawn]

sounds promising!

[floral locust]

#🎮〕illuvium-zero message

[real dawn]

thanks!

[little moon]

I think at this time , the alpha should be released before t5

[rotund reef]

They could honestly sandbag t5, save it for last and be fine IMO.

[cinder wing]

do you have to sign up for the alpha?

[radiant sky]

Idk actually... But Alpha is probably just for landlords?

[onyx cosmos]

https://tenor.com/view/king-of-the-castle-gif-25858810

[nimble lichen]

Given the opportunity would you go for 2 floor Tier 3 or 1 Tier 3 in high probability BP location?

[onyx cosmos]

2 floor tier 3s

100% financial advice

[nimble lichen]

You would think the better location T3 would have a much higher top end resale price however and then the chance for some rare BP

[sweet egret]

is there any guide or advice, where/which land to buy? My strategy so far is just get a land with all 3 elements, so I have all utility in the game - does that make sense?

I'm only starting with a T1 🙂

[dry mango]

resources can be transformed among themselves, but I see an advantage in having them all available because then you don't lose in the conversion, although there's no way to know the literal advantages without having the production data of each tier in relation to resources

[daring dagger]

Is there a date to own the land by to have access to the beta?

Maybe the right word here is alpha

[little moon]

It should be open to anyone who owns land no matter when you buy it.

[queen folio]

What Scoot said. I assume in order to play, you would need a wallet with the Land NFT in it.
If you have a land plot, you'll be able to get into the game and build on that land.
If you don't own a land plot, trying to get into the game would not work.

[wary notch]

I like this question, did @whole spear give some insight?

[whole spear]

I did not, but Fraggy's comments on what Kieran said are accurate

[wary notch]

How about once each land is developed, have You gotten to that point?

[whole spear]

I'd have to find the interview where Kieran mentioned this but I believe its much less once developed

I mean obviously

[wary notch]

Johnny did mention it could even take as little as 1-2 minutes but that would be less optimized

[whole spear]

But I've played the alpha yes... I guess I could time it

but

I'm using the cheat codes to check shit out more often then not lol

[slim harbor]

In your experience is there a more "important" secondary resource for early building?

Or is that all up in the air anyway

[hollow shoal]

Any more juicy land leaks? 🙂

[slim harbor]

💦

[potent gale]

best land to buy?

what elements matters?

[winter python]

All elements matter lol

I try to buy them with even elements

[potent gale]

best land type?

[winter python]

🤷🏽‍♂️ I have a level 1, 2 , and 3 in different regions

[hollow shoal]

Personal preference on land.

An example here is Taiga Borel

[rotund reef]

Taiga fan as well. Prefer the simple.

[coral tree]

Best for investing is one close to floor price but next to a green or two within a 4x4 square next to purple is good too… that will provide the most value…. For playing the game it’s just having even elements. For blueprints it seems to be the most lands you can get and play the better.

[jagged brook]

Very nice!

[hollow shoal]

Agreed, what’s your land situation like? Do you have a favorite?

[jagged brook]

Crystal shores lol

[hollow shoal]

Yeah that might be my fourth favorite

[hollow shoal]

How many did you get?

[jagged brook]

Just one

In that region

[mystic umbra]

My least favorite of the zero lands is brightland change my mind. The floor looks like a torn up soccer field, now that is where my T2 is so I still love it. I just visually find it the least appealing of all of them. My favorite is definitely shardbluff, which is where my T1 is. The dark design is right up my alley. I like taiga but it’s too bright for me I like the darkness

https://tenor.com/view/bane-the-dark-knight-rises-oh-you-think-darkness-is-your-ally-you-merely-adopted-the-dark-i-was-born-in-it-gif-21912908

[hollow shoal]

Heck yeah

[coral tree]

Honestly...if you're looking for tier 1, there's a really good one right now.... sort by price and it's the lowest one..... it's next to 2 greens. You don't see that often. I'm trying to save funds or i'd get it.

the greens are all in a group to the left so they. might not be interested in it.... but still. That's not bad for a floor land

it has a lake and two outcrops.... so not all three of those, but you will be able to convert. .30 ETH

[potent gale]

u mean the 624 333 one?

[coral tree]

Yes, I do..... but it's been up there most of the day

The problem with it is all of the greens to the left are pooled together

so it's unlikely the owner would try to move to the right to make a megacity.... but at it's price it's good

[potent gale]

what do u mean by greens?

[coral tree]

I wouldn't pay .035 for it .... but .03 I would

so the lands to the left of it....the ones that are green are the highest tier you can buy other than the 10's of millions of dollar tier 5's

so the greens are mostly owned by right people

rich*

but before you do.....

what makes the most value is if you can find a land that someone owns three around it

so if the wallet is the same in three around yours and yours is the 4th to make a megacity.... then the price can double triple quadruple

you'd get a .3 eth and maybe put it up for 1.5 or 2ETH and if the person with the other 3 wants a megacity they have to pay... that's why if you look in the recently sold items, there are some that sell way higher than they should..... it's people trying to own a block of 4

tier 4 (greens) lowest price available right now is $21,000 so those two are worth at minimum $42,000.... and you'd have one next to them for a low floor price.... but like I said.... they're obviously trying to own a block to the left.... not to the right where that floor one is

you can tell by checking the wallets of the ones to the left.... they match

[potent gale]

okay nice catch

[coral tree]

yeah... so if you're only going to buy one land what I would do is keep checking the floor ones to see if you can find one where it looks like someone will want to own the one you found.... an easy way to do that is if they own 3 and you're buying the 4th in a 2 x 2 square

[potent gale]

elements distributions doesnt really matter that much right?

[coral tree]

but those are hard to find

not for value of the land...

in my opinion

the value is all in what is owned around it and who might want it in a 2X2 plot

there aren't many 3X3 options so I'd focus on 2x2

tty in a bit

[potent gale]

how can u check the owner the ones that are not listed

[coral tree]

You click on it and it shows the last 4 digits

[potent gale]

where can you click on it

[coral tree]

Just look at another land square on the map and just click on it… in illuvidex

On a laptop… doesn’t really work in mobile

[potent gale]

is it the cheapest megacity potential?

[coral tree]

Not really much megacity potential I guess... It's just generally good to be near a T4 (Green) and it's the cheapest land period........ but the potential is fairly low because it's on the wrong side.

If that green wanted it because they couldn't go the other way, it would be worth a lot... and currently it's the cheapest land of all lands...... but if you want the most potential for a big sale I'd keep looking

In my mind... that's how/why you buy a land.... you can play any of them....why not play one you could also possibly sell for an ETH profit or more.

if it never sells for a lot,....then you play it like you would any other plot......if it sells high great....you can buy another floor and start over.

the fuel producing potential between lands of the same tier is probably not affected that much by the balance of elements

[potent gale]

did the floor got below 0.25?

[coral tree]

it was .28 a day or two ago.... but randomly if you watch like a hawk, lands do sell cheaper

look at recent sales for T2.... 2 sold a few hours ago for like .5, .6 eth..... but floor is .81 or so

those were both a steal

but they would have been listed then gone quick

That .3 is gone. Good luck if you got it!

don't need to tell me

If it were me... I'd plan to play it... and put it up right now for 1 ETH or 1.5ETH and just let it go.... maybe one of those rich people that own the tier4's will pick it up.

you just raised the floor .02 lol

but prices have been trending slowly downwards which is frustrating. But I don't think T1 can drop that much lower.... it's down a lot in the past few weeks

good luck! ttyl

one small point.... for what it's worth (Not much lol) the one above the one we discussed is for sale for 4ETH 😉

ok I'm heading to bed! goodnight all

[tardy fern]

do you have any other bread crumbs from testing you could share with us to level the playing field?

[whole spear]

Not really, it’s pretty intuitive like I said before. Easy to learn, easy to play, nice walkthrough when starting. The team puts out top tier products time and time again

I’m not an expert game critic

But it’s impressive

[hollow shoal]

What’s your favorite land Rich? What lands do you currently have?

[wooden root]

Any word of when the alpha starts?

[hollow shoal]

Hopefully September

[zinc shuttle]

So excited to play the game!!! I think we all are!!!

[subtle frost]

September 2023?

[hollow shoal]

Haha I hope not

[chrome goblet]

September 2023
yes sure

[empty path]

See you back then, have a wonderful year

[slim wigeon]

haha I knew I misunderstood 😜

[compact nebula]

Why is land so cheap now🤔

[sly summit]

No utility + market going down

[rotund reef]

I agree with the second part, but odd that it's dropping so close to the rumored release of IZ. Heck, take advantage.

[humble lichen]

More sellers than buyers

😙

[slim harbor]

Guess at some point the current pool of buyers looks for certain things in land too, need a new influx

[ocean haven]

land has been dropping for the last 4 weeks or so while the market has been going up very bad sign IMO, sold my tier 2s for 1.5 eth like 4 weeks ago. Still not buying back in due to the long delay on a Alpha. You wont earn in Alpha it could be a year+ for all we know before land can be used to produce fuel you can sell, so IMO it could go much lower, but we will probly see a short lived spike when alpha is announced NFA

[humble lichen]

gigabrain take

have my own estimation for open beta overworld in ~Nov 2023 so that's quite some time that you can't generate fuel with your plots

[empty path]

Market has been going down for 5 days but ok 😄

[humble lichen]

ILV0 team member mentioned they expect to be done Sept, so everyone kind of expects that, when they will come back on that timeline (I think they will). You will get gud price for land

Then sell on official release announcement

[tardy fern]

would be cool if you can be assigned a role for bps you collect

[compact nebula]

this looks logical

[empty path]

[whole spear]

Whoa

Syntha X Fraggy

[wind briar]

what are we doing for labor day

[whole spear]

Working

[elder badge]

Labor

[shrewd nova]

Agreed especially the bait and switch with ilz beta timeline doesn't reflect well on the project

[whole spear]

This is implying that we purposefully intended to scam you….

[elder badge]

https://tenor.com/view/perfect-popcorn-michael-jackson-gif-26271837

[whole spear]

I think we’ve been pretty transparent about what’s going on with develop especially Johnny keeping you guys updated

Saying “price go down on my land so you scammed me” is pretty ridiculous

[elder badge]

These same people will have something to complain about when zero is out no doubt.

[latent kiln]

the real thing Rich is that in the sale was a paragraph that says: the game is almost ready, will launch nearly 3 weeks from the land sale...

[elder badge]

Everything is subject to change.

[tender belfry]

https://tenor.com/view/wooooo-mad-rage-youre-talking-to-the-rolex-gif-7680980

[shrewd nova]

ilz was slated for 4 weeks after sale until the day the sale ended then it's just kept getting pushed out. I'm not selling my land but I can see why people aren't willing to pay for it.

[paper flame]

I think we are going to need these skin sales to be impressive to get the floor prices up until game launch.

[whole spear]

I said this in another group as well, I'm going to summarize: There out side forces beyond the control of our team at times, I'm not saying these are directly the causes for delays. But they are people after all. They get sick, they need time off, the have to work things out from scratch, all while doing it all remotely. Consider covid, ukraine war (we literally had developers uprooted). The world is a larger place than you sitting on your computer mad because the game didnt come out right when had hoped it would. But one thing I can guarantee is that everyone is working hard to deliver these items and it will be of the highest quality as well.

[coral tree]

That guarantee is enough for me! Thanks

[latent kiln]

i know, i'm not selling and i'm not mad bro. just i understand that some people keep asking of wen game

[shrewd nova]

I don't feel good about it now..we are 10 weeks from the end of the sale and still nothing....it was never going to be completed 4 weeks after the sale. Also Kieran literally made the same criticism of star atlas...that there was a sale and players won't be able to use it.

[whole spear]

Wasnt directed at you in particular

[whole spear]

are we gving you a 5-7 year timeline?

[shrewd nova]

There's no time line

[latent kiln]

If the quality of the game is excellent, as I expect based on the progress, I believe that this will be the workhorse to colonize millions of web 2.0 users. So I'll go long here, calmly

[whole spear]

https://tenor.com/view/the-dude-abide-the-big-lebowski-stir-gif-3523187

[shrewd nova]

Lol ok, what's the time line?

[mystic umbra]

Why did you do that to me rich

[whole spear]

#🎮〕illuvium-zero message

[mystic umbra]

When it’s done

[shrewd nova]

If it's fun and players or atleast most players see a return on investment then yes I agree...I'm holding on to that hope hence not selling any tokens or land...I'm just trying to be objective I don't mean to be rude.

[shrewd nova]

I hope this happens!

[hollow shoal]

1. Things changed for the better. There was a complete overhaul of art causing this delay.
2. Timelines have been said to never be given because things are changing constantly for the better.
3. You have an organization that is dedicating their best efforts to produce an absolutely amazing game for you.
4. Sit down, wait, it will be worth it.

[queen folio]

I've seen both Al and Nick state that September is the goal for IZ Alpha... not an "official" #📣〕announcements of course, but it's what we have to go off of right now 🙂

[queen folio]

Saaaaaame

[shrewd nova]

Right but that expectation should've been set before land sale....atleast star had that expectation of 5-7 years so players knew what they were doing but right now for us the alpha keeps gettings pushed with no official date and further theres no main game date either

I honestly don't want the game till mid next year since I'll be busy

But it's just the way things are done reflects on everything and can drive prices

The main game*

[whole spear]

comparing months to 5-7 years is laughable

[glad junco]

https://tenor.com/view/i-like-turtles-zombie-kid-teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles-tortoise-tortuga-gif-16340543

[hollow shoal]

Well that’s the best part about developing games…things change and stuff breaks. It will come out when it comes out.

[shrewd nova]

I think you are missing the point of expectations being set

[fallen nymph]

Expectation reduces joy. ;P

[elder badge]

https://tenor.com/view/lowered-expectations-gif-9172732

[rotund reef]

^Such a good sketch

[elder badge]

Hella funny don’t know if they showed this in Australia.

[stiff talon]

Look comments were made and the team learnt their lesson. They are trying the best they can, they have admitted their mistakes. Illuvium Zero needs an alpha that will be functional. This is not a normal Alpha where you have a couple hundred testers. This will immediately start with 6000 players (I'm saying this because there's 6000 separate wallet holders). That's a massive amount of people. It would be pretty shit if servers crashed and the game wasn't functional and it gets delayed further. It's a different scenario to how games normally start. Hopefully it's ready in September but point is man, you have said the same stuff over and over. The teams been accountable and they changed their process by stating: "A DATE IS ONLY OFFICIAL ONCE ANNOUNCED IN THE OFFICIAL CHANNEL" hang 10 - this is gonna be a great project and what they have done in such a short period of time to create a game of this magnitude is actually insane. I've never seen a game get built so fast. Have faith is all I'm saying and they have already admitted their mistakes and have created that new process.

[reef jasper]

but why cant he get rich now?

https://tenor.com/view/baby-throw-window-money-cash-gif-16491349

[thin wolf]

and we went from this to

to this

Time well spent.

[undone phoenix]

Unless those trees are blocking my building space

[onyx cosmos]

https://tenor.com/view/saruman-burn-it-down-forest-fangorn-lotr-gif-19776484

[undone phoenix]

https://tenor.com/view/jack-nicholson-yes-nod-agree-gif-21960775

[hearty cradle]

so much fud, but still my neighbours are not selling

[undone phoenix]

Mine neither. Maybe. Couldn’t be.. although. Are you MY neighbour?

[thin wolf]

Who would sell land now? have been checking my neighbors more in depth.and there is one bastard that is trying to build a Megacity next to me using 3 different wallets...what has the world come to when you cant trust your own neighbor?sad

[hearty cradle]

i hope u sell man

[ocean haven]

My faith in the team havent changed at all, IMO this is the best crypto gaming project out there by faar, im purely talking about the reality of land prices.
From what iknow there will be exclusive BP in Alpha, but i dont think its enough to make people buy land since the BP wont be able to be used for a long time aswell
and theres a decent chance u will be better off just buying it from the market if its a BP you really want.
I would love to see a reason to buy land now, but not sure what could be done to give land vaule before game release.

[hearty cradle]

did you track all 3 wallets and find connection?

[hearty cradle]

whats more important than early bp is to retain research progression

[thin wolf]

Yes,was bored and i thought i would check more indepth.(iam doing the same as well,but with fresh ones)

[hearty cradle]

how fresh? Like new seed fresh?

[thin wolf]

Different computer with Metamask fresh.

[hearty cradle]

wow

i hope u get it man

[gusty orbit]

Jo

[onyx cosmos]

Remember BP and Skins are two separate things. BP give you the rights to create that Skin (which can be sold as it's a separate NFT)

So I believe BP are SUPER undervalued right now as not many understand this

Even better, you can sell the Skins ONLY with it already on an illuvial 🙂

[reef jasper]

https://tenor.com/view/monopoly-floss-fortnite-monopoly-floss-fortnite-dance-gif-16266128

[rotund reef]

Can you elaborate on this part?

[ocean haven]

IMO i dont see skins go for big money on release, i think skins will be good money if the game gets VERY succesfull, at that point skins become iconic
and some people will pay crazy money for them.
The issue could be as you said BP means you can keep printing if you collects the ingredients(from what i understand) and thereby dilut the value.
or is there a mechanism to keep this from happning?
Not sure how you can say they are undervalued since they dont exist yet, and have no price, and there is no game yet would love to hear what you base that on.

[onyx cosmos]

I'll elaborate on both points.

So to answer @ocean haven yes, as the BP owner you control the number of skins you produce (now whether or not other land owners can have a duplicate BP is yet to be determined; if anyone has the answer please comment!).

Under the assumption they don't, you could have a 1/1 skin that you sell (granted, it's scouts honor for you to keep it a 1/1 as the BP owner).

In addition @rotund reef , you could preemptively put the skin on the respective digital asset and then sell "both" where that NFT now has boosted value (thus you can increase your profit margins).

I think overall this game is about collecting and so the amount of players vs the supply will determine price. Thus, a strategy I aim to employ would be to keep supply low for any of my BP and scale it as the player base increases.

[thin wolf]

if i remember correctly,the person who finds the first skin of its kind in the game was able to name it somehow?

[ocean haven]

So they said if you own land your pretty much guaranteed atleast one BP in alpha, so if you think theres going to be a 1/1 with 6k land owners..... that dont make sense
would still love too here your logic on the value part too.

[slim harbor]

The alpha bp will not be that valuable, everyone will likely get one, it's just a thank you so it's not the best to base anything off

[hearty cradle]

we should ask to retain research progress

[thin wolf]

like 6000 People...proabley less.

[onyx cosmos]

Ya I think you a probably right, I don't think they have 6k different BP ready for us, but unless there's an official announcement I'm hopeful (this would impact BP value immensely).

[thin wolf]

there are skins for each stages and each Illuvial so thats like 150 Skins?,some more rare than others like the Tier 4 and 5. and there was 10K Skins in total?

just saw this one released a year ago roughley😬

time flies

[ocean haven]

Thats fair, personally i just like to make my investments based on facts, if you like to buy and just hold im sure the team will not dissapoint in the end

[little moon]

blueprints are not 1/1. There may be some very rare blueprints that end up as 1/1 because only one person discovers them but that is yet to be seen.
If i remember correctly the alpha will only have a limited set of blueprints, most of them wont be available until the open beta launch.

[ocean haven]

the start arugement was - I would love to see a reason to buy land now, but not sure what could be done to give land vaule before game release.
but even after game release i think a 1/1 , better chance to win the lottery 😛

[reef jasper]

hopefully the skins that are offered in alpha are exclusive to alpha

[little moon]

I sold all my land 🤷

[thin wolf]

https://tenor.com/view/the-simpsons-homer-simpson-boo-boo-boo-booing-gif-22217081

did Solar get to you?

[little moon]

The floor is now like half what i sold for so it was def a good call.

[ocean haven]

same, can buy back now and double my amout of land more or less, but i cant do it if i dont see it goiing up

[little moon]

And no, the ILV token is just so obviously a better value proposition. I never intended to hold much land long term.

I just wanna play the game cause it looks fun

[thin wolf]

My take away from this is you sold you land to get in lower and you just bought ILV and want to sell higher?

[ocean haven]

i agree, but i do think the team will do something more for land, or land could end up very bad IMO - feels like ILV is faar superior

[thin wolf]

Every game will be tied into ILZ,it may take 5-10 years but ILZ is the engine.

[little moon]

I actually put the ETH into some other projects im following that have a shorter time horizon. Im hoping those blow up and I can really stack up my SLP. If it goes good enough ill buy a T3 land to play on and get rid of my last T1.

[ocean haven]

at that point i might aswell invest in SA 😛

[little moon]

I think when they release the next game there will be some cool tie ins with land. In the short term I think its unlikely they can do much to add value.

[ocean haven]

100% agree, but the timeline is very long on that

[thin wolf]

It is what is,thats my plan atleast.

[little moon]

There should be a nice spike in floor price when the game releases just based on hype alone. Theres definitley ways to make money with land, it just seems like more risk for less reward than ILV.

[ocean haven]

I could see land at ATH when game release, specially if the game gets lots of players it could just go up until next batch of land release
But i have 0 clue on when it will release TBH my best guess is about a year?

[little moon]

My guess would be in the first half of next year but its always hard to say.

[tawny wasp]

The dedication

[mystic umbra]

Can we get leaks of one of the possible alpha skins we can get

[harsh dew]

Blueprint we know so far 😄
M0z4rt + amour

[analog inlet]

IMO I personally don't think anything needs or should be done to "revenue" for land. Also IMO ILV is far superior and always should be I hope there will never be any question of that

[slim harbor]

you're like the office compliance guy, you can make sense and I'll begrudgingly agree but I won't be happy about it

[mystic umbra]

Well yes but do we know if those will be found in the alpha?

[hollow shoal]

Why is land going down!??!?!?! Time to buy more 😄

[hearty cradle]

T2 under 1e

below mint price

[thin wolf]

Took 5 min🥳

[thin wolf]

I keep forgetting,but is mozart ab rxtra skin we need to find or does it come with the armor?

[gentle grove]

Way below mint right now by like. 18

[hearty cradle]

https://tenor.com/view/hide-the-pain-harold-harold-smile-forced-gif-21831075

[shrewd flax]

GM. Wen Illuvium Zero Launch?

[fathom ridge]

potentially September but that's a very bit POTENTIALLY!

[vague yarrow]

That's not the launch, that would be the alpha 😄

[harsh dew]

Yes most of the skins will be discovers in Illuvium Zero & some in game

[harsh dew]

Good question, I maybe @fair temple know the answer ?

[fair temple]

If the team wants to start grouping skins up within a single blueprint then they are just stalling for time. Lets just get some cool skins and make a blueprint unique for one skin. I think that is fair, and shouldnt have to be milked for time and assets.

Ill write an IIP if i ever find out that multiple skins can be made from one blueprint.

(Unless it doesnt tamper with the release dates.)

[hearty cradle]

we prob have not drawn 10k skins tbh

[odd brook]

I think the currently running idea is that a blueprint will give you the ability to create unlimited amount of that skin, much like learning a recipy as a high level enchanter in wow classic. But unlike the recipe these blue prints can still be traded. But making blueprints a 1 time use could be an interesting mechanism to explore. And see which one would make for better gameplay, i can imagine the latter makes ILZ more inclusive for more players because this would mean you can have a much higher drop chance, its no fun wen you play for half a year and havent found any blueprints

[fair temple]

Oh i meant multiple unique different skins within one Blueprint :] sorry for making that unclear

[rotund reef]

We have not. I brought up that idea in here a few days ago, and people went nuts. They think us expecting 10k skins over time is insane. These were actual devs and design guys talking.

I had to let them know that most of us aren't devs or designers, so cut us a bit of slack here. We only know what we were told.

[odd brook]

Ye thats sounds silly imo 😅 so i agree with you on that. But now that i have wrote that wall of text. I think i prefer the higher drop chance + 1 time use, better than the 1 with unlimited usage. Making them essentially a rare resource

[rotund reef]

A big "no" on making the blueprints a one time use. That was not the info we were given before the sale, they would not do something like that after that fact.

[odd brook]

Welkom to illuvium, where we can make changes as a community if the new is better than the old one, but i respect you to disagree with me thats oke.

[thin wolf]

Not sure if i rember this correct,but i think at some point during the reasearch prosses you get an option to decide if you want to find an Armor BP or other BP(mozart,weapons?)

[rotund reef]

Most people disagree with my takes too, it's all good. I just know if I was led to believe one thing, then spent a bunch of ETH, then all of a sudden that thing just got a lot crappier, I would be bummed out pretty bad.

[fair temple]

There was something like that yes. But after choosing you would only get one.
It never was really explained in depth i think. Johnny just showed a tree and a small description but whether that was actually added into the game and how it would work in-game is a different story 🙂

[fair temple]

It could be fun to have that later. Im not opposed to having the blueprints be presented the way they are now.

Later on we could have mechanics added like the one you mentioned. Say we get a space shooter game with space ships of ancient races, then what if you could find ancient debris under your Carbon mine or something. The crash landing wouldve made a dent in the surface of the planet, and the chemicals from the spaceship burried in there could have increased the floral growth in that immediate area. Because water would stagnate in that place you could get a primeval marsh as you find in certain T3s.
(It would fit in with the lore somewhat 😄)
And that debris would be usable for only one spaceship 🤷‍♂️

[rotund reef]

With that, I was wondering if this was going to be a personal choice -- or a gamble. Maybe the blueprint is going to only be for one of those things, and we have to choose correctly. I think if we were all left to choose which one we wanted, it would lead to way too many of one and not enough of another. Not sure if that would be a big deal or not.

[thin wolf]

Yeah,would love to get some details on how all this will work.
@amber atlas any insights on the above you can share?

[sly basalt]

Hi

[hearty cradle]

so much to figure out in 2 weeks

[vague yarrow]

Yeah, making 10k totally unique skins is just an insane thought. But if it's done in a similar way to most NFT projects where you combine attributes, do recolouring etc and randomly combine them, then it might be possible.

[hearty cradle]

generative

[dusty agate]

Do we have a power to make devs launch IZ aplha ?:))

[lyric hamlet]

Would there be a way to communicate with other land owners?

[dusty agate]

Not yet, but think they will figure out it soon. Try #🛒〕land-dex here

[hearty cradle]

yes

[hearty cradle]

https://tenor.com/view/good-morning-hello-gif-22989402

[winged notch]

How are the land prices holding up?

[simple lance]

not well

[sly summit]

Or a 100%

[queen folio]

[slim harbor]

We should definitely stop hyping the beginning of September lol, might be half way or the end

[timber sapphire]

It would otherwise we already woudve gotten an announcement

September isnt even officially announced, could take way longer too

[undone phoenix]

Or not at all

[harsh burrow]

Where can you see that ?

[hearty cradle]

but this is pre reveal

[hearty cradle]

scoot u there?

[little moon]

I’m here love. You really gotta stop wandering out of the home.

[hearty cradle]

https://tenor.com/view/youre-safe-now-ricky-berwick-this-place-is-safe-safety-you-are-safe-now-gif-17578472

[dusty agate]

Yes but its useless if u dont use it… 😂

[hearty cradle]

people can propose

[dusty agate]

I dont know if u agree or not but, it took too long to launch it… but i ll be ok just with date announcement.

[trim pendant]

Drug addicted Brother just used my last wallet savings meant for land for drugs 😪😪 I’m really pained really wished to get the that land

[dusty agate]

U can still get the land, maybe cheaper then it was while land sale

[trim pendant]

My whole wallet is drained the cheapest is around 600 dollars right now no ?? Cant even call the police on him I’ll just pray and hope someone lets me rent that land when launched ??

Or is the land now cheaper than before

[dusty agate]

I payed more the 600$ for the cheapest t1 plot i ve bought on auction

Maybe some got it cheaper with Silv

[trim pendant]

That was on launch

[dusty agate]

Floor price was somewhere .32 eth, but i was not lucky to get one

[cyan dew]

here we go again xD

[hearty cradle]

which drugs

[thin wolf]

https://tenor.com/view/star-lord-guardians-of-the-galaxy-dude-omg-ガーディアンズオブギャラクシー-gif-8527541

[twilit bough]

Coffee. He spent all in starbucks

[hearty cradle]

i hope he got a free mug

[tardy fern]

If there were 10k unique randomly generated 3D ANIMATED skins, this would be next level. Randomly generated 3D art with quality is hard but 3D animated randomly generated is next level

[thin wolf]

Pretty sure they are individually made.. @serene ingot

[trim pendant]

I m not a drug addict dont know what they are but I think it’s some kind of pills I’m just down right now I don’t know what to do 💔💔 25 sol was all I have left in my wallet it’s all gone

I’m so mad and frustrated right now

[tardy fern]

Yup, you can also make them that are interchangeable though

We were creating our own project a while ago and was going to be the first 3D animated randomly generated art on the market. Was going to be pretty epic

[rotund reef]

And this was my biggest takeaway from that conversation. Most people don't know this.

[hollow shoal]

So is everyone buying lots of land? 🙂

[thin wolf]

https://tenor.com/view/baby-dancing-oh-yeah-hell-yeah-dance-gif-17100703

[hollow shoal]

Payday is next Friday, I hope the values hold steady.

[thin wolf]

But honestly, I ain't buying again before bidding is implemented as my future megacity is spread all Over the place..

I blame @dusty furnace for no good reason.

[hollow shoal]

I can’t wait til that’s a thing lol

[tardy fern]

If there are going to be 10k unique 3D animated skins that are designed to look good, it will take a while to create

[meager flint]

Land floor under $500. Opportunity?

[tardy fern]

Idk, I only look at the eth cost, $ value doesn't matter to me

[trim pendant]

You think you could sell me a t1 cheap

[thin wolf]

No

[trim pendant]

Ok 😪😪

[mystic umbra]

https://tenor.com/view/no-nooo-noooo-omg-omg-no-gif-12379687

[hollow shoal]

Has the chart of unique owners changed much?

[hearty cradle]

its not, pfp nft been doing it for ages

[tardy fern]

What's a name of a collection that the entire collection is 3D animated randomly generated traits? If there is one, I haven't heard of it

[hearty cradle]

imaginary one

[tardy fern]

Ah yup, thats a dope collection. Would've taken along time to make that art

[hearty cradle]

karafuru 3D

[tardy fern]

Difference between 3D and 3D animated is massive in terms of time and the creation process

[hearty cradle]

but they'll be animated in the games

karafuru 3d work is clean

but the project died

rugged

[hearty cradle]

and we got a few rangers right

i think the team has plenty of time

if we launch next year

i just hope the art is revealed in the blueprint lol

[tardy fern]

Yup will be fine if they have a few artists solely doing skins and 3D rigging them

[hearty cradle]

i dnt mind just an illustration

[tardy fern]

Hopefully lol if it is, it won't be animated imo

[hearty cradle]

modelling is a hardwork

thankless job

[tardy fern]

Yup they could even have a clean 2D of each BP that's on a card and the card is animated

[hearty cradle]

yea i dnt mind 2d tbh

at least we can do some trading

imagine holo ramphy bp

people will go crazy

and buy crimson

[tardy fern]

Yes we can dream haha

Imo I think ramphy is already the gold standard even before going into the game

That's why I'm stacking up on crimson 🤣

[hearty cradle]

lol me too

and it turns up crimson is holding well

[tardy fern]

Probably because we keep buying floors 😂

[fallow sigil]

Guys when the launch will tak place?

[timber sapphire]

Soon

[queen folio]

A couple team members have stated that sometime in September is the “goal” for Illuvium: Zero Alpha so let’s hope next month!

But always best to look out for official updates in #📣〕announcements 🙂

[umbral mica]

will zero be open beta or private beta first?

[queen folio]

It will be an Alpha test… available to anyone who owns a land plot 🙂

[glad junco]

Hey fellas.. did we get the July Dev report yet?

[glad junco]

Wont they have a T4 land for non land owners to play with?

[left musk]

Are blueprints if found instantly tradeable?

[hearty cradle]

people been saying aaron is sick

rush u sweeping?

[hearty cradle]

we dnt have that info yet

i dnt think its connected to blockchain during alpha

[glad junco]

Nahh man I’m sitting on some hood plots but I’m saving my ETH until after merge. I don’t wanna be over exposed in NFTS. I’m still checking the marketplace every day but only looking for true gems.

@hearty cradle

[hearty cradle]

if ur not over exposed, ur doing it wrong

[glad junco]

Rather be wrong and rich than right and poor lol

[hearty cradle]

whats poorer than poor

[elder badge]

Melvin Capital poor

[queen folio]

Hey Rush-- The free land (Tier 0) that is available would be equivalent to a T2 land plot in terms of the resources generated, rather than a T4.

But last I saw, the IZ Alpha testing will only available to people who own a T1+ land plot. It is a private alpha after all so I can't imagine it would be available to everyone through creating Tier 0 land plots. I can't remember who said this but it was here in Discord though so I'll see if I can find it.

[hearty cradle]

sounds right

[little moon]

Im thinking the same. Almost want to sell my t1’s collect the eth and hope the merge is before the game launch and eth pumps so I can double my land (possibly)

[dire pier]

probably too late for that

[neat tangle]

Why do the free players get a tier 2 land to mess around with while some paid players only can use a tier 1? Is the tier 1 not significant enough for f2p players to get any meaningful progress or enjoyment out of?

[dire pier]

seems like a good guess

t1's will need a t3 or t4 to make them useful, but having all that extra space is nice.. ppl buying mass t1's are making a decent bet on price of space being underestimated

[queen folio]

Well, I haven't played any Illuvium: Zero myself, just like y'all 😄

One could speculate that because the people who get free land either just want to try out to the game or play a city builder without earning, the team is giving those plots the ability to be more self sustaining given they'll have a better chance at being able to produce all elements and fuels on one land plot.

Any progress would be considered meaningful, no matter the tier. But some are going to progress faster than others.

[faint rapids]

So a t1 land ? Is inferior of t0?

[dry mango]

nothing is less than a t0 because t0 doesn't literally yield anything

[queen folio]

T1 land can earn, because you can sell your fuel.

T0 cannot earn anything. It is available for those who want to play for fun.

[whole spear]

this

[fickle ore]

just dollar cost average back in. Even if all you can set aside is $10 a week. It makes a difference over time.

[dry mango]

true

[rotund reef]

Good advertising for T2 land maybe?

[hexed thistle]

what’s the average price of t1 lands in the illuvidex

[dry mango]

around 500/700

0.4564 ETH in the last 90 days to be precise

[scenic mica]

Can anyone tell me, will ELEMENT resources be able to be sold / traded for, or is there another function of them apart from building structures, and powering fuel production sites in Illuvium zero

[floral igloo]

Hello, I wanted to know if it will also be possible to make offers for the lands. thank you

[dry mango]

is a planned update for IMX, but it's up to them to implement this function

[floral igloo]

TNX!

[queen folio]

Hey Sean-- no, you won't be able to earn through selling Elements. As far as I know, there will be an option to transfer elements from one of your plots to another one of your own plots (incurring a fee of some sort if the plots are not in a megacity together).

Don't think there is an option to send the elements to plots belonging to other owners... at least, haven't seen or heard anything about that yet, myself!

[scenic mica]

Thanks for the response, yeah I am just trying to get my ahead around the time-curve / usage curve of Elements.

I imagine they will be gathered /resourced at a high rate to facilitate the continuous building /production of fuel, but I’m sure once you get to an advanced level your production of elements is completely arbitrary and they likely will just sit gathering and storing X Million amount without any other use 🤔🙏

Yeah now that you say it like that, being able to send elements from one player to another in a secondary market would be sweet lol!

[queen folio]

Yeah I was thinking about that as well... that's something the team is likely looking into on their end as well. Once you get to end game and your plot is "maxed out," then what? Is it even possible to max out? 👀

Still very early stages of course so I feel like the possibilities are endless! Especially if land is going to be a resource generator for all of the other future games...

[dire pier]

youre not poker sean winter are you?

[scenic mica]

I do play by that name, but I am not famous 👀😁

[queen folio]

I was only messing around-- sorry @dire pier!
Y'all can continue in DMs all you like, of course!

[scenic mica]

Yeah, it would be awesome if there was a secondary /market function for the base elements, or some other usage / minting function, maybe if they were tied to crafting on some way, or to craft food/potions for illuvials with minor stat improvements 👀🥳

[rotund reef]

They are NFTs after all, no? It will probably happen at some point.

[tawny wasp]

Lol I am honestly surprised when people say they are still in the green. Those are the people I need to learn from

[queen folio]

Elements are not going to be ERC20 tokens, from what I can remember, and they cannot be sold on the open market DEXs.

A long time ago, Johnny mentioned there could be an internal Illuvium: Zero though... so it might not be out of the question to be able to sell the elements for something within Illuvium: Zero at some point 👀

[whole spear]

Start earlier

Go back in time

Take profit

Lol

[radiant sky]

Thought about that too...
If it's not possible to Max out, would that mean fuel production just rises as time flies? That would impact future landsales pretty much i can imagine. Also it would make balanced fiel/Element site landplots way more valuable.
If you can Max out your city, a future landsale could be Way earlier, and the balanced landplots decrease in value to pretty much the same price äs a totally unbalanced plot.

[glad junco]

Thanks man! Appreciate the update on that. I guess I was on the right track but that makes sense 🙂

[glad junco]

Yeah we might be a little late on the selling prepump/merge.

Honesty Even IF the game is ready pre merge, I don’t think they will launch it.. I think they’ll wait a week or two for the hype and news and kinks to die down before launching. i expect a heavy dose of demand when they do tho. 🙂

[queen folio]

We may be thinking of different things at the moment or I'm just not understanding your scenario. I probably used the wrong phrase in my comments too, I'm sorry 😅

When I say max out, I just mean having the highest level structures built and in the best set up you can manage. With that, you keep generating and generating these elements however but... you don't have anything to spend those elements on because you've "maxed out" your structures and have the best build you can think of in that moment

[radiant sky]

Yes, we talking about the same

[north lily]

Do you guys know if I can use the fuel from my land to play the game? Instead of buying fuel from the vault like everyone else?

[radiant sky]

No, you can't use your own fuel

[north lily]

Is there a reason for that? Seems like such a waste

[dry mango]

apparently you have to sell the FUEL to the pool and then you can buy it back, I believe they should put the possibility of using the FUEL produced by the player, I don't see a problem, if not implemented, it's probably a technical impossibility

[queen folio]

What Tariquinho said 🙂 There likely won't be a direct "transfer" from one place to another like everyone is imagining because the ETH/Fuel pools need to be used.

Johnny mentioned a function like that could be available and it could "look" like a transfer to the user when they're playing on their land... when it's really the user clicking the button which sells their fuel into the pool on Illuvium: Zero for ETH and immediately buys the fuel with that same ETH you just received in the main Illuvium game.

[north lily]

I see but in this case I would be selling the fuel for 50 cents and buying it back for 10$

[slim harbor]

You'd only be buying back your fuel you sell, not the 19 extra I would imagine

[north lily]

So if you want to play the main game and you own land you get 5% discount on fuel because you'd be using the earnings you make to buy it back, let me know if I'm wrong

I remember someone saying that fuel would be an ERC20 token, but I'm guessing it gets generated into a token when you buy it from the vault not when it's produced on your land? That's why we can't use our own fuel?

[slim harbor]

Sounds like a good theory

[north lily]

It's very annoying, I was hoping to give up my land earnings to play the game 😭

[slim harbor]

I kinda was too actually

But ah well, still same effect

Is selling fuel to the pool a taxable event lolol

Forget I asked that one..

[queen folio]

The way I understand it, you get a 100% discount on fuel (or somewhere close to it) with the model the team is developing.

Johnny's explanation from a while back

main game Action costs 1000 Fuel, you generate 1000 Fuel, you sell for 100 ETH, you get 100 ETH profit, which you can either keep or use to buy 1000 Fuel in main game to do action X

(#🎮〕illuvium-zero message)

[scenic mica]

In that sense you could have any fuel that is generated on your own land, be put across from a story/UI point of view that it needs to be stored under ground due to it being highly unstable (nice lore), any underground storage is connected via pipes (obviously) to the main vault/hub and you can initiate the transfer at any time i.e when it is favourable price-wise, could even be a nice little button saying pump/transfer when you want to send it into the marketplace / void.

[hearty cradle]

wow

[hearty cradle]

when i send the fuel to the pool, its gonna be minted

and no its not a discount

IZ produces up to 5% of total fuel supply

[little moon]

And your telling me if I sell fuel for 1 eth I can buy it back for 1 eth in game? There wouldn’t be a markup on it

[glad junco]

Is that a lot?

5% produced by IZ.. is that a lot? Seems low

[hearty cradle]

for landowner prob no fee, we dnt know yet of they gonna cut us

[hearty cradle]

its actually a lot

[little moon]

And what happens to fuel when used in game? Where does it go? Get burnt or back into the pool?

[hearty cradle]

the DAO is 95% divided by 7.5m token

[hearty cradle]

burnt

land is 5% divided by 20k plots

theres a math to it but u get the idea

divided by number of fuel nodes + bonus

aand the fuel price can go up and down by 25%

plus u get bp

and future utilities

u cant add more utility to token can u

[random cobalt]

I was about to go to sleep but this talk is getting me hyped

Jag dropping knowledge

[spring jetty]

Because Jaganite is a wise man

[clever pasture]

Will illuvium 0 only be available on mobile ? If so, how those people who have their land on trezor or ledger will be able to play ? As far as i know, a mobile no support harware wallet ?

[hollow shoal]

1. Will be released on desktop first then mobile. Unknown time frames.
2. You’ll have a login attached to your wallet through the browser. So when playing mobile it will be linked that way to our knowledge.
3. What’s your favorite land/ what land do you have?

[clever pasture]

Thanks ! I have a T2 in Crimson and i plan to buy other T2 maybe in Abyssal bassin. Do you think its a good choice ?

[hollow shoal]

I think any land is a good choice short and long term. The choice of land I think doesn’t matter because the illuvial meta will change alot so peoples views will change. I went with more brightland because of nature and air. Just what I like. Choice what you like.

[clever pasture]

Brightland seems to be beautiful too ! Do you think it will have a converter for ressources ? I know it have for fuel but i didnt see any info about ressources converter ? Because i dont have any lake for on my land

[hollow shoal]

Not 100% sure but I assume so. I thought the converter did any fuel element but that’s me assuming.
Old notes had it to where resource drops will occur for all elements once a day. Not sure if that’s still true or we will see it. So if anything you’ll have one of every element once a day at the minimum

[thin wolf]

Langames is doing sweeping again

Couple more and top spot

[wary notch]

I'll try to stop when I get there

[empty path]

Let’s hope Polemos doesn’t move them all to 1 wallet then 😅

[clever pasture]

Ok thank you. I will try to get infos about that. Cant wait to farm ressources !

[hollow shoal]

You are most welcome. Blueprints are what everyone is excited for Alpha. Come the full release fuel will rain supreme. I know I hope to make enough to play with friends and make some cool teams.

[clever pasture]

Yeah blueprint is very exiting too ! Hope will be lucky enough to scan one ! Which lands do you have ?

[thin wolf]

No need to stop😬

[hollow shoal]

One each of T1, some T2s. Mostly brightland then Taiga.

[clever pasture]

Oh you have a lot ! Me too i would like have one of each if i could. More possibility

[hearty cradle]

https://tenor.com/view/anchorman-bigdeal-big-deal-will-ferrell-gif-5108168

.

I am grateful for @wary notch sweeping the floor

[hollow shoal]

Exactly! I got lucky because of work and a good bonus. However I bought them at $1500 soooo sadly I could have definitely got a bit more with the current price.

[clever pasture]

Its nice !Congrat for your bonus ! Im agree that you paid a lot ! The Floor for a T2 is about 1200 $ now i think

[hollow shoal]

Thank you. Exactly, not a big deal because I still got them but an extra T1 would have been great. Not sure what I will do next. Might wait for release but the rental system has got me intrigued.

[clever pasture]

Not much info on rental but its interresting

[hollow shoal]

Might try to get another stack of T1s for rental. Help someone across the world get a little extra cash.

[hearty cradle]

tatoz!

[hearty cradle]

can u please sweep crimson? Its embarrasing

[hollow shoal]

Friday is pay day, I could get two comfortably. I just might if it continues.

[hearty cradle]

LFG!

damn u must have a really high paying job man

[chrome goblet]

Cannot wait! Save me

[hollow shoal]

It’s not bad, soon illuvium will be my main source of income 😉
I work in IT for a major company so it does help.

[radiant sky]

Anyone knows how many landplots of each Tier got minted during the first landsale? Can't find the info anymore

[copper inlet]

source: https://gov.illuvium.io/#/proposal/0xc6edddb2618ffb4b1d83933a27c35c7a483afba1d2aba0bd882dcb773c8ef71c

[radiant sky]

Thanks a lot 🙂

[radiant sky]

Do you know if it is confirmed, future landsales will have the same amount of each tier?

[copper inlet]

i believe there is no sentence as "we will keep same ratio" but i don't see why they would change it, it would mess their initial calculations i guess. But in future they can vote for whatever

BUT

keep in mind that land sale number 2 will not come soon. There were talks it will come long after public release of game, when economy is ready for more plots in play. (if i recall correctly)

[fair temple]

It would mess with expected rarity if the amounts would get skewed in the next sales. To protect the investors, who this specific game builds on, the team should make as little surprises as possible 🙂

[hearty cradle]

it will follow the growth of player/revenue

[radiant sky]

Yes, i know... Just wana do some sort of spreadsheet

[hearty cradle]

im quite certain it will have the same ratio

[copper inlet]

share it with us after its ready, we like spreadsheets here 👀

[radiant sky]

Yep, i assume the Same... But confirmation would have been appreciated 🙃

[hearty cradle]

wht do u do man? I do infra

[radiant sky]

Sure, can do that

But it won't look pretty 😅... Will have just some numbers on it

[hollow shoal]

Just desktop support right now. I got my degree a couple years ago then some certs. A+, Net+, Sec+, AWS CCP etc. Will most likely get more AWS stuff for cloud engineering.

[hearty cradle]

oh man thats a lot of rebooting

[slim harbor]

Hey desktop support is fun, beats networking day in day out, gets boring af

[hearty cradle]

i did a client who was migrating to office 365

[slim harbor]

That doesn't sound very professional

[hearty cradle]

that was not fun at all

[slim harbor]

Why you boning your clients

[hearty cradle]

why u hate networking

i kinda like it

mikrotik is fun

[slim harbor]

I used to love it, but it's just become same day in day out really, want some novelty

[hollow shoal]

Got the job done and completed the project? Good job!

[hearty cradle]

completed is relative

i got paid

So

[slim harbor]

Keep watching these vids about language learning models and I just want to get into that somehow

[hearty cradle]

i dnt write at all man

just .bat 😆

too old to learn

[slim harbor]

I feel like my job is even easier, a guy like you with a migration would come to me to make sure all the routing and access is in place then rinse and repeat

I don't even have to do the jobs just open the doors

[hollow shoal]

Never too old to learn

[hearty cradle]

takes a lot of patience man, there are shits that they have been downloading man

well i tried almost all cloud services, gdrive, dropbox, onedrive they all have pretty much the same problem

[hollow shoal]

End users? Haha Jkjk

[hearty cradle]

u cant really dump all files in there man

gotta do it in stages

they cant handle too many little files

even with a bandwith of 100mbps

prob bottleneck in their hdd

and ram

[slim harbor]

I think that's the worst but most fun part of being a network engineer, everything is a networking problem until you prove it isn't so you get used to working with all sorts and troubleshooting things

[hollow shoal]

Alright puppy is back in her cage. I am going back to bed! Night everyone!

[hearty cradle]

one time i accidentaly change something on the routing table and took down the whole network. spent the whole day

prob not accident

like experimenting

[slim harbor]

Hahaha, see I'm confined by change control and lots of red tape

Don't get to have that fun anymore

I'd probably be in a disciplinary meeting within 20 minutes

[meager zenith]

I looking for owner this adress: 0xE139Dd7fC2A49Ff20d5c8436EA1BF3301cC979f9

[rancid lion]

let me tell you about the one time I was changing a Cisco ASA's syslog from UDP to TCP but didn't have the TCP syslog server actually working yet.

spoiler: if the TCP syslog server doesn't reply then the ASA assumes the network/syslog server is under attack to prevent logs from detecting the issue, so the ASA fails closed and denies ALL connections through all its interfaces.

[rocky moth]

🇮🇩

Gasd

[hearty cradle]

jezus
hw did u find out about that

what was the message?

[rancid lion]

actually I fixed it in less than 5 minutes. I had already done my CCNP security so had learned it and it was hidden deep in the back of my brain. Logs on the ASA simply said denied on every single line trying to form a connection.

As soon as I saw denied it triggered my memory and I said "ohhhhhhhhh shit I'm dumb"

[hearty cradle]

i had too many problems with SEPM

[rancid lion]

I think it kicked me out of the ASA too so I had to console my local desk switch to put a port on the same VLAN as our OOB console device so I could console the ASA and that's when I saw the logs.

[hearty cradle]

lucky u werent remote

i always have one pc on console man

u never know

all of my work is remote, and i make changes outside of working hours, mostly weekends

[rancid lion]

you project based or support?

[hearty cradle]

yes, infra setup

[rancid lion]

nice what kind of kit you work with

[hearty cradle]

recently they got proliant and aruba

not many youtube videos on aruba

[rancid lion]

haha that's why I have a love hate with Cisco, a lot about working with them sucks, but at least I can always find documentation and/or videos

[hearty cradle]

i had a proliant 380 dead on arrival

i got paid for 4 months doing nothing

[rancid lion]

had to wait for new device = 4 month backlog?

[hearty cradle]

yep hpe

[rancid lion]

surprised it was only 4 months

[hearty cradle]

lets not talk about cisco backlog

[rancid lion]

we're ordering kit 18 months out

[hearty cradle]

excited about the new CBS line

dnt tell my client but i dnt have ccna

im youtube certified

[rancid lion]

as someone that's had multiple CCNPs, the tests are stupid and a racket.

[hearty cradle]

most of my client dnt even use the advance stuff man

[rancid lion]

if my employer didn't require because we're partner I probably wouldn't care

[hearty cradle]

ur networking engineer?

im mostly hardware, a bit software like autodesk, vmware

[rancid lion]

honestly a lot of the advanced stuff is worthless costly garbage. I'd rather have plain IOS-XE and run my own Python scripts to automate things. software-defined access, ACI, etc. just makes things more complicated with more moving parts that break constantly.

yes, I do net/sec/datacenter

[hearty cradle]

wow i dnt know those stuff tbh

damn datacenter

ur advance man

my clients are small-med companies, with 2-3 servers

just usual AD, app and backup exec servers

i spent a lot of time doing AD policies thi

[rancid lion]

yeah we have some multinationals, places with lots of branches and centralized services in a datacenter or central/head office. it's funny because the network almost never breaks, it's always the fancy applications that run the network, which we can't really troubleshoot because it's all closed.

when DNA Center breaks, you just call Cisco TAC yay

[hearty cradle]

did mikrotik too, but just simple firewall, some queue tree

[rancid lion]

nice my old company did Mikrotik as routers for wireless networks, good for the cost. I still have a few RB1100s in my garage as backups.

[hearty cradle]

i had to filter everything but azure, aws and autodesk

[rancid lion]

those things just chug and mostly "just work" but the documentation is kinda shiet

[hearty cradle]

boy they change IP all the time

mikrotik is really well used in asia

[rancid lion]

yeah used in wireless ISPs too, for the features and performance they are great. some reliability and software problems tho

[hearty cradle]

ISPs are cheap ass

[sacred locust]

Anyone seen up update on when Beta for Zero launches?

[empty path]

Check the pinned messages

[queen folio]

Open Beta for Zero will launch at the same time as the main Illuvium Game, so after all of the private beta phases for Illuvium as well as the Private Alpha phase of Illuvium Zero 👍

A couple of team members have stated here in Discord that the Private Alpha for Illuvium Zero could be in September... so keep an eye out for updates!

[little moon]

wow so maybe next year then..

[sacred locust]

Thanks @queen folio

Its a lot harder to produce a game then most people think. I would not expect this game to launch this year. They are still making the artwork...

[little moon]

Maingame of ulluvium will not start next month thats for sure.. overworld is not even done.. Ulliviums are not done yet.. Not even the small Land game is completed=

[sacred locust]

Its a huge undertaking its 3 games in one.

[unborn pendant]

When will ILV Zero be released?

[little moon]

"The watch out for september" for Zero is just talks to keep the energy alive inside us..

[dry mango]

Check the pinned messages

[little moon]

they will later saying that it ,wasnt said in the annocunmen. It was just "goals"

[queen folio]

Well, because that is the goal...

It's nice to know what the team is aiming for and to have a little peek of what we could possible expect, in my opinion.

[little moon]

Not really when they sending out 2 diffrent messages. One is that is coming in septermber. the other one is that, Zero game priotary not being moved until Game luanch, So the Overworld , the beta phases or now going before the Lunach of Zero..

They saying 2 things at same time, but it doesnt goes togheter

So they are gonna finsihg all the work of game, and betas, and alpas , and everything now until september? No thats Not realistic. So saying that its just rude

[rancid lion]

You might be confusing the different stages? They're talking about the IZ alpha coming in September. That in no way conflicts with full open beta IZ launching with Illuvium main game open beta

[little moon]

Man beta or alpha or privat. Or u can call it testing. just give us a product to play with..

[empty path]

!beta

[dry forge]

You can register for the closed beta through this link: https://play.illuvium.io/arena

You can improve your chances of being selected for the beta by:

1. Becoming a ranger (Level 5 in the server)
2. Joining # twitter-role and promoting Illuvium on twitter
3. Participating in (and winning) our weekly trivia competition

[hearty cradle]

IZ alpha is all that matter now

[rancid lion]

In this case the stage names matter because I'm fairly sure there will be no revenue until open beta, so IZ lands won't generate fuel revenue for land owners before open beta, only blueprints.

[little moon]

Yes no revenue, but atleast blueprints, and we can start playing and building the buildings. They making auctions big sales. But then deosnt delivery the game to play the product, like the advertisted before the auction..

you dont understand my viewpoint of unhappiness?

All land owners and ivnestors, Get fucked basically . And No its not becouse bitcoins is in a bear maarket. Its becouse they basically promisede people to be abale to use and play with their lands. but then no Game .. and then ofcourse Making the prices dumping.. in their faces , they sitting patincitly lookign their money going down. and we we just waiting

[rancid lion]

I do understand you are frustrated, but I don't understand a long term investment in a gaming project and then not understanding timelines and delays. All projects have delays, gaming is particularly known for it. But if it's for quality reasons then...

[little moon]

They should adviestisted their land with , its a long term investment and we wont be abale to touch or use them. Biut thats not what they said

They shoulnt Adversit and marketing and auctuin a product that isnt finished.

now we just siting waiting, and everyone see their stuff plummimlitng in the abyss

[rancid lion]

I don't get it. The game wasn't released at the time of the auction. If you felt uncomfortable buying an unfinished product, why did you do exactly that?

Everything about Illuvium is a long term investment play.

[little moon]

No, what im saying is. The game isnt realsed i know. But they MARKETBING the auctin of the lands with that we are going to abale to use them in zero after we accuired them.

And look now. Zero is not finsihed.

[rancid lion]

I'm sorry but I have to disagree strongly. At no point did they say you'd be able to use the land immediately. I did see estimates of 3-4 weeks after the auction there might be an alpha, but again that's a gaming timeline and was HEAVILY subject to change.

[little moon]

What?

Lol ok let me come back with facts, of printscreend of thumb nails how they been marking it lol

"I did see estimates of 3-4 weeks after the auction there might be an alpha"

That is not how the Land sale Auction got marketed

[rancid lion]

OK please provide the examples, because that is not what I remember or what made me buy land.

https://medium.com/illuvium/51-land-sale-explained-8cbadfb6a6b5

An Open Alpha version of the game is planned to release some 4+ weeks after the Land sale; this date is subject to change. The Alpha version will have Fuel earnings disabled, but any blueprints earned can still be collected and kept from this early release version.

That says "minimum 4 weeks after landsale"

[queen folio]

Definitely understand the feeling of not being able to play a game you're waiting for. Many of us here have invested in Illuvium and purchased land... you're not the only one 🙂

They did state Illuvium Zero was almost ready at the time of the land sale... but then the art team did an overhaul of all of Illuvium: Zero assets. We are going to have a nicer and more polished game to mess around with and test now because of it.

While it might not seem like it to you right now, I think that would be a solid move for the project as a whole in the long run.

[rancid lion]

Trust me, I do feel the frustration at delays because I'm ready to make some money from my land and play all portions of the game, but I'd rather it be good when it does come out so that it draws more players and is better overall. If I have to give up a few meager months for something that might be life changing I'd rather give up those months than rush it and have it crash and burn.

[reef jasper]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-yoda-patience-sw3-gif-21070142

[hearty cradle]

i am frustated too
i bought the DA because i wanted to play early
i literally got no game to play
immortal get boring after awhile

[little moon]

That what i mean, most people buy it to play early. becouse that was what promised.

[empty path]

And that's what you'll get

[hollow shoal]

If you have land you already get to play a piece of the game early. I don’t understand what you are saying lol

Or rather will get hopefully in September

[little moon]

I think they should get their shit togheter and fullfill their requirments they have put on their selves. Pitty them like a baby for their misstake is not in my book. Its wrong this is not kindergarden.

[hollow shoal]

What land do you currently have?

[little moon]

i have 3 pieces of land, what does that matter.

[hearty cradle]

it doesnt

[little moon]

it doesnt

[analog inlet]

You do realize this is an alpha version and the actual "live version" will not be available till Overworld goes live as well in which there is no official date for that.

So really I'm not sure why your so upset that alpha version has been delayed.

[hollow shoal]

Just curious

[empty path]

I don't think they should launch an unfinished product.

[hearty cradle]

Solar got no land

[little moon]

Yes so where is this Alpha version?

[hearty cradle]

alpha stage is unfinished

the definition of alpha

[little moon]

I think they shouldnt marketing and sell a product that they advisterist like ready, and then its not. Thats my point..

[hearty cradle]

yep

[queen folio]

It's coming 🙂 And it will be "early" and well before the open beta launch, as expected.

[analog inlet]

It still in deveolpment They never marketed this as a ready product inthe first place....

[hearty cradle]

yea they did

[empty path]

When it's ready for alpha, they will launch it.

[little moon]

answer my question , yes they did

[hearty cradle]

johnny said it in polemos interview

[analog inlet]

Sorry but the facts do not support your assertion

[muted drum]

They don't sell anything 😄

[hearty cradle]

aaaand it was ready in november lol

it was ready, but grant decided to revamp the graphic

so 100% on team

[little moon]

Now they need to sell Baseballs Jersey to raise the fee money for developmers of overlook maybe? 😦

[hearty cradle]

whoa u went too far

[little moon]

The get their UI sitatuion sorted

Lol

[hollow shoal]

Coming out guns blazing this guy

[little moon]

High graphics bro, expensive bro

[empty path]

Do some research, Illuvium doesn't make any money on those 😉

[hearty cradle]

ok thats enough man

ur upset

All of us are

[little moon]

Pretty sure i know my reserach bro, its was said with some sarcasm if u look above conversation..

[hearty cradle]

we get it lol

calm down

[empty path]

Oh my bad girlfriend, didn't notice the sarcasm signs

[hearty cradle]

lets just wait for a bit ok

[little moon]

yes get ur shit togheter and i ssee you next month, over n out

[hearty cradle]

september

https://tenor.com/view/september-earth-wind-and-fire-say-do-you-remember-dancing-in-september-disco-gif-18346288

time to hit the bong

that guy def need a hit and a lay

[reef jasper]

https://tenor.com/view/deebo-debo-friday-ohyougotsomething-money-gif-21123474

[muted drum]

Just a weird way of making it to Ranger role 😂

[empty path]

If you yell loud enough, stuff go faster. Basic knowledge

[hearty cradle]

https://tenor.com/view/sorn-clcs0rn-clc-tiktok-crazy-gif-22833139

is it working?

[empty path]

Oh for sure, if we have September lauch, it's thanks to your yelling

[analog inlet]

Unfortunately there are people even offline world that believe this ..

[empty path]

Because that is how the word works

[mystic gull]

no words, no works

[hearty cradle]

you're welcome

i bought an ipad for IZ fyi

[empty path]

Can I also get one?

[queen folio]

+1

[hollow shoal]

You know what might calm him down? Some Zero leaks 😉

[empty path]

We should hit up @inner tide, we need it for testing purposes. Right?

[hearty cradle]

https://tenor.com/view/hiding-dont-talk-to-me-eating-my-lunch-abbott-elementary-abbott-elementary-gif-gif-25023219

[hollow shoal]

I just re setup my old one lol

[reef jasper]

im good with pc

[hearty cradle]

wait

[empty path]

They would notice at work if I come out of bathroom with a iPad after 3h, I'll just play on my phone

[hearty cradle]

Its playable on ios right

[empty path]

It should be

[analog inlet]

EWwww ipad???? why would you let your self be corrupted by an Apple product??? ewww

[reef jasper]

https://tenor.com/view/uhh-gif-23984012

[hearty cradle]

wait, u work in an office?

[empty path]

Sometimes

[empty path]

💯

[hearty cradle]

https://tenor.com/view/shocked-shook-shock-gif-15844531

[reef jasper]

theres some alpha for you ^^^

[hearty cradle]

tbh samsung s8 is not bad

its pretty neat

[hollow shoal]

Hoping to see some tomorrow

[little moon]

U takes the breathe of out me. Mr research Ha .. clown

[analog inlet]

Coming form someone who does not have the correct facts yet still seem to want to rant .

[empty path]

Come back when you read the #✍〕rules.

[analog inlet]

https://tenor.com/view/nova-starcraft-snipe-shoot-heroes-of-the-storm-gif-20999109

[hearty cradle]

damn

[hollow shoal]

Soooo Jag, where ya from? Haha

[empty path]

He's from #799010390201466880

[hearty cradle]

https://tenor.com/view/damn-right-breaking-bad-gif-14029087

[safe crater]

Do we have a date or eta for illuvium Zero? :)

[gusty fractal]

no... but we hope in septembre :D