💬〕general

[left nest]

Thanks, just saying a lot of the gamers might choose that over illuvium (like me)

[versed flare]

If you want to know how good a card is for arena look at the stats, if you want to know how good a card is overall look at the tpi

[plain apex]

I think it means it the latest highest tpi lynx in your collection. If your last highest lynx was a tpi of 60 if you draw a tpi lynx of 71 next its your new top tpi lynx but if you then pull a third tpi lynx of 75 it trumps your prior 71 tpi lynx and is now your newest top tpi lynx... i really didnt explain that very well >.<

[dreamy path]

still love old shool

[tough mortar]

but "TPI" stands for what?

top power illuvial? something like that?

[languid silo]

Trait purity Indicator

[loud apex]

Hi guys do we have any news about G-shock watches ?

[rain moss]

there rewards now for leaderboard in ranked?

[elfin granite]

how do i see TPI of my illuvials?

is it the lightning bolt thingy

oh that's energy, so i'm looking for the tpi number that appeared when i got it initially

can't seem to find it anywhere after initially seeing it

i found it on the market on the website! for anyone looking for it

[mystic vigil]

why it does not show me the stats of each illuvial on illuvidex

[languid silo]

https://tenor.com/view/bun-burn-out-gif-23448898

Sam Right now on the Download Podcast.

[fallen meadow]

Nice first AutoDrone Charged Run 🙂 - Tier 5 95 🔥

[wispy kindle]

Top should be 100 but I've only seen 99s

[solar thorn]

We need a way to burn illuvials with "bad" stats, maybe in exchange for some fuel. This way the market won't be so full of bad illuvials that no one will buy

[wispy kindle]

https://tenor.com/view/standing-ovation-gif-24495838

[mortal brook]

😭 All the fuels I harvested in IZ for months and the ones I bought with hundreds of dollars on Illuvidex are all reduced to almost oblivion!

[wispy kindle]

That's weird, it should. Try clearing cookies and cache from browser if the problem still persists open a ticket with #❓❓〕support

[sinful venture]

This new reward system seems not attractive for most players. Earn only 5, 50 or 100 players from big player base (pro or big invest players). All other just spend (or not spend) and earn 0.

Previous system was bad but at least attract to participate

[left briar]

and then there were 2

[mortal brook]

Context please!

[rugged geyser]

If the tpi ranges from 0 to 100
How come that i have 300% stats and it has only 97 tpi?

[abstract forum]

Best and simplest explanation I've seen so far. Thanks bro 🤝

[left briar]

they are now saying TPI is for your hand only 99 for you is not 99 for me, so its a fools chart?

[dense grove]

Basically there are 10 stats we can't see. Each Illuvial apparently has 16 stats. The hex we see is only for Arena stats not the future games.

From Aaron's blog post found in Announcements

[rugged geyser]

Thats bad

[dense grove]

Agree.

[rugged geyser]

I bought 300% thinking it was full power

[dense grove]

So far I haven't talked to anyone who has bought a 300% who didn't think they were buying full power.

[vestal token]

what you did is not right

[vestal token]

.

[split lintel]

I've been using cursor, shit is awesome

[thin wyvern]

every time i tried doing something with cursor it just broke the functionality, but just sonnet alone oneshot code almost everytime

[cold bane]

i need help.. after this new update i cant find where are my previous rewards i still didnt colect them

they were under missions earlyer now i dont see them helppppp

[lone spoke]

It’s confusing with the new TPI.🥺
the 300% IS full power for Arena. and as Arena is the only game right now its the only thing that actually matters at this time.

I think they should have added an “Arena Power” number to start with instead… (made a feedback post about it)

[dense grove]

I think they should have made it clear on the Illuvidex that there were 10 other hidden stats so we knew what we were purchasing before we purchased it.

[cold bane]

can anyone help and explain is it just bug on site that is not shown after update. They said we have 365 days to claim rewards

[rugged geyser]

Would appreciate some support on this
https://discord.com/channels/760344898200666112/1355162049864269834

[nova sphinx]

Hey guys heres an IIP for better communication in ILV

#1355168989583511662 message

[vocal yoke]

if I burn old fuel, how much new fuel will I get and what do the cycles mean?

just burned some but it didnt tell me any info how much I got from the new one

[fallen meadow]

🚨 The marketplace filter and list are currently using the old TPI.

If you go to the Illuvial details page, it will show the updated TPI. Also, if you buy from the list page, the TPI will be updated.

[wispy kindle]

I'm inquiring about this issue......tag me again in 24h to see if I got a response on it

[sonic dagger]

wait what

no, thats not true

there are only 6 stats

variable 6 stats

[dense grove]

The 6 stats that we see are Arena stats. Not necessarily the stats for future games.

This is how I read this anyway. Am I wrong?

[silk bridge]

Turns out there are 16 stats

[silk bridge]

No I think you're right

[vast spear]

https://illuvium.io/news/trait-purity-or-how-i-learned-to-stop-worrying-and-love-feedback

[dawn heart]

🥶

[cold bane]

ok mate got scared a little cuz i just cant find it

[silk bridge]

@split lintel do you think that there will be a proposal to burn all illuvials?

I've watched your live stream and I know that you said that you don't want to be in the council if they ever do it and it's just a suggestion from people who are not part of the team but your voice matter

But I can't stop thinking about it, have you discussed about the potential compensation that there would be?

Honestly I've always been positive and supportive towards Illuvium as far as I remember and I don't think that I've ever been hostile or unfair towards the team, I rather tend to recognize that mistakes are made and forgive them

However this is different: it would be crossing the line between "just sacrificing early adopters a little bit" and outright "let's rug them"

From the perspective of someone who has invested a lot of time, money and energy into building their collection this is simply theft unless the compensation is huge

[dense grove]

"do you think that there will be a proposal to burn all illuvials?"

Why are you asking this? What has been discussed to bring this question up?

[thin elbow]

Please note the rules in this discord

[silk bridge]

Did I violate a rule?

[lapis thorn]

they talked about it today on YouTube

[dense grove]

Ahhh...OK. Haven't listened to that one yet. Thanks.

[silk bridge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXzafNAiaN0&

[cyan anchor]

Dude if there was a burn all Illuvials thing, I’d lose my shit. Invested a lot of time and money on building my crew.

[silk bridge]

I didn't find the timestamp

[dense grove]

Thanks for posting. Will give it a listen later. 🙂

[lapis thorn]

I think it is quite possible!

[silk bridge]

I didn't post misinformation, burning all illuvials is a topic that has been seriously discussed in the video I shared above

And I added that it has been discussed by people who are not part of the team and that Scoriox didn't seem to back up the idea

[lapis thorn]

true!!

[silk bridge]

I don't think that it's misleading

[thin elbow]

I don't think there's any information officially provided from illuvium.
That would then be more a topic to talk about on his Chanels or dm's.

[sonic dagger]

hi aaron
Can you pls tell us what are the 16 stats?
we have been buying, catching and fusing illuvials based on the 6 stats, are you saying all this time those 6 stats are spesifically for arena and OW?
it is never mention on illuvidex that the current wheel is only for arena and OW

[dawn heart]

It's a pointless discussion then, such a thing is not possible

[silk bridge]

I thought about it but since the conversation is public it's worth talking about it publicly
This isn't about fudding, this is about discussing with critical thinking and patience
Believe me when I say that I'm exercising emotional control right now

[languid silo]

It was brought up by Sam.

[lapis thorn]

They also have taken our fuel because only a few people had a lot of it.

[dense grove]

Ahhhhhh.....

[main reef]

Any smartphone app yet ?

[lapis thorn]

It's maybe not the right time to have a lot of anything

[silk bridge]

But maybe you're right and I should have DMed him

It's probably nothing

[thin elbow]

As far as i can Tell from your previous Post you know exactly what effect that has on other people this turns into instant fud and said it's official info

[silk bridge]

I didn't say that it's an official info from Illuvium
But yeah maybe I shouldn't make it sound like it's a serious topic, maybe that's just an absurd idea that will never be implemented

[mossy ravine]

As of now (from what I can gather from the messages in Discord and discussions with players), here’s what we are seeing.

The community is very excited about the news regarding rewards.
This is a positive point.

The community is very dissatisfied with the introduction of the new Illuvial quality index.
Some even felt deceived.

I’m writing this simply because news articles on the website usually end with something like, "share your opinion, discuss," and so on.

This is my opinion.
The rewards system is amazing. I like it.
Buying a perfect Illuvial and then finding out it’s not quite perfect, I don’t like that.

I can't take seriously the arguments that, supposedly, for some modes, they are still perfect.

It doesn't work that way.

We only knew about the 6 stats. Nothing more.
We didn't pay for the maximum in some part of Illuvium.
We paid for absolutely perfect Illuvials.
And now, on top of that, we have 10 more stats.
Yes, stats that no one has seen, can't be verified, but they exist.

This is not right.

And this is not fud. This is an unemotional conclusion based on my emotions and the emotions of some other players.

At one point (more than once), Illuvium mentioned that they would listen more to the community.

Maybe it's worth paying attention to this thread and realizing that people don’t like this?
https://discord.com/channels/760344898200666112/1355162049864269834

[dawn heart]

Those who buy directly by spending money and;

Players who spend thousands of hours in the overworld and produce great things...

Now when we enter the TPI index, I see that most of the things we have are showing an incredible downward acceleration, okay, I can understand that, but when I enter the market and see the TPI values ​​of illuvials with much worse features above 96, I cannot control my anger

[sonic dagger]

Lets just IIP the stats and make it 6

simple

[cyan anchor]

They talk about it at 14:10

[mossy ravine]

I like this.
Will you organize it?

[sonic dagger]

thats the issue when u dnt put the stats on chain

[sonic dagger]

id like to convene with my fellow council first

[silk bridge]

I don't know if it makes sense to remove the 10 hidden stats completely or if it's even possible since they are part of the NFT

Instead I'd suggest to give a TPI of 100 to illuvials that are 300% perfect and if they ever need to use other stats in another game just give us the opportunity to burn our illuvial to get the same one but with a TPI of 100 in every game

The downside is that it's making things more complicated though

[wicked mantle]

Hi guys...just checking the trait purity thing....how come a perfect +5 all stats lynx has 96 purity and its orange, a another one with just 3 perfect stats has 98 and its red?

any sense?

[thin wyvern]

tpi is just a bait for people who don't know what they're doing, literally nothing changed for most people with this update, the same stats u paid or grinded for stayed the same stats

[rugged geyser]

https://discord.com/channels/760344898200666112/1355162049864269834

[rugged geyser]

Its litteraly not the same man.
I paid 600$ for a perfect illuvial, only to find that he will have 10 trash stats

[wicked mantle]

uh?

[thin wyvern]

ye man 5 years from now when those stats are gonna be relevant

[wicked mantle]

hows that? (ill check the feedback)

[rugged geyser]

I didnt buy the illuvials for a limited time
I want to be the same for the whole ecosystem.
Why not remove dark holos in the racing game because they dont look good?
You have a dark holo, but only for a few games

[silk bridge]

From the perspective of someone who is only an arena player nothing has changed
From the perspective of someone who invests in the best illuvials it has changed

[wicked mantle]

hidden stats???? is that a thing now?

10 hidden stats? wtf? where is that info?

[dawn heart]

actually, if 16 stats are on the way and coming, wouldn't this affect arena players as well?

[silk bridge]

These 10 hidden stats aren't supposed to be relevant in arena

[sonic dagger]

i dnt think they are part of the nft, i cant find stats on immutascan

[thin wyvern]

no, arena relevant stats stay the same

[silk bridge]

That's even better then

[dawn heart]

Imagine a 5 5 5 5 5 Scoriox with 0 movement speed, and then they'll say movement speed is actually important for it?

[sonic dagger]

i believe stats are on server-side

[wicked mantle]

Im still digesting this

you mean the perfect expensive illuvials I've been trying to collect are not that perfect afterall

nice. Got shafted again

no info on that, just a nifty surprise later on

[silk bridge]

It's not the best example but I get what you mean, they talked about it in the blog I think and said that they would implement guardrails to protect owners and try to not change stats hierarchy
If they would they'd try to compensate us

[wicked mantle]

Nice for the already damaged credibility 😐

[thin wyvern]

btw u might be missinterpreting something about tpi too, each of the stats has a number between 1 to 100, 80-100 are all considered 5 in arena, so a 300% is 97 tpi because it has something like 97 98 99 95 94

[wicked mantle]

hope so

[split lintel]

To make things clear. I don't think we should burn all Illuvials. I think it would solve the problem Tarren and Sam were describing, however I like to think around the problem rather than choose the first and shortest path to an outcome.

I think there are many solutions, like I said I think a relaunch alongside 'set 2' would be the best move.

Ultimately even if U burnt all the Illuvials I'd still be bored recapturing the set 1 Illuvials anyways...

[dawn heart]

What do you say to this ? @thin wyvern

[rugged geyser]

Idk, the new system feels very bad

[thin wyvern]

aaron said a lot are bugged, idk if still is, but tpi is completely irrelevant for anyone who didn't literally start playing today

[dawn heart]

What exactly is this ''burn to all illuvialls'' term? I mean, are we going to refund a player who spent $5000?

[rugged geyser]

I am playing dor a long time and it is relevant for me.
I have ocd.
My, 300% contradicts with the 97 tpi
Its disturbing

[wicked mantle]

Make it make sense....

[sonic dagger]

u cant

[thin wyvern]

xD

[silk bridge]

I didn't find a single 99 TPI so far, has anyone found one?
You need to click on it to click on the Illuvial to get to the Illuvial page and check the real TPI there

[wicked mantle]

no there is none

[silk bridge]

I have several 98 TPI though 😎

[sonic dagger]

lets make it simple
300% = 100 TPI
no hidden stats

[rugged geyser]

I bet they were cheaper than $600 🥲

[dense grove]

I tried to post the link to the Announcements where Aaron talks about this but I got a timeout. Not sure why a timeout appeared for trying to show people how to find accurate information.

Find the blog post written by Aaron so that you can see why your TPI doesn't match your stats.

[dawn heart]

when I click on my favorites it shows 99 but it's actually 97

[sonic dagger]

its just the bot

[wicked mantle]

Well...at least it was not a T4 land :p

[silk bridge]

Haha yeah I couldn't afford this

[rain moss]

so ranked rewards have started?

[silk bridge]

Simplicity for the win

[dawn heart]

april 3rd

[silk bridge]

100 TPI should be rare but not 1 chance out of 30 trillion

[near pier]

Gm

[dawn heart]

gm

[thin wyvern]

i don't get what u're even mad about, u don't think my verimillia is as good as ur jotun?

[wicked mantle]

seems so obvious! Perfect stats are the ultimate flex (well....has much as one can flex ilv stuff....)....having a perfect stats with lower "one number says it all rank" that another "unperfect" one is just pissing on the morning coffee....specially for OCD collectors lol

[dense grove]

I looked last night and my best TPI Illuvial is a Holo Tibi'Rukko that has low resistance. I gamble rolled up from a holo Ti'ru to get it and it is better than the 5 I purchased because they were perfect. I didn't know whether to laugh or cry tbh.

My best overall Illuvial now:

[rugged geyser]

Who knows what a golden mine i have on some 10% atk speed kukka
Maybe it is 99 tpi

[wicked mantle]

o.O

[rugged geyser]

So these are the same, right?
Seems logic

Btw, its the same illuvial line (so no different illuvials with different important stats)

[silk bridge]

😎

[rain moss]

well 2nd arena, an i cant buy any illuvials hahah

[languid silo]

https://tenor.com/view/perfection-perfect-michael-fassbender-magneto-x-men-first-class-gif-2260686001358167676

[silk bridge]

2 off

[rugged geyser]

I miss the extensions made by the comunity with stats power

[silk bridge]

To be honest I don't care that much that my perfect illuvials don't have 100 TPI but it's misleading to beginners

[rugged geyser]

@split lintel can you sell them your traits extension?

[rain moss]

cant eaven recconect

[silk bridge]

And bad for those who invested in what they thought were clearly perfect illuvials

[thin wyvern]

Corporate needs you to find the difference between these 2 pictures

[wicked mantle]

Simple and fair fix: make all 5 perfect stats illivials 100TPI. No brainer.

[silk bridge]

By the way have Aaron and the team already implemented their bin hierarchy work or is it still do be implemented?

[wicked mantle]

bin hierachy work?

[silk bridge]

If not perhaps TPI will become more accurate

[thin wyvern]

Would probably be better to just go with grades, like S,A,B,C

[silk bridge]

They assign each stat with something they call "bin"
Bin 1 = most important stat
Bin 2 = 2nd most important stat
etc

[wicked mantle]

ah ok. Makes sense

[dawn heart]

It seems that the TPI values of perfect traits have been updated, but no update has been made for Illuvials with bad traits

just a guess

[silk bridge]

Yeah it's better for beginners and investors

Unless some stats have negative value

I think that one can make the case that movement speed has negative value in fighters VS fighters match up

[wicked mantle]

that would be even more of a mess! lol

[silk bridge]

In this case you prefer your fighters to be slower

[wicked mantle]

oh well....always full of surprises this game is.

[vast flame]

These traits have always been there (earliest internal post I can see about it is like 2022 wayyy before my time). It's just now that we've visualised it all properly in an effort to make it easier to reason about across multiple games (as per the blog).

[sonic dagger]

unless u put them in the corner

[vast flame]

I totally get the frustration though

I just wanna be clear that we didn't just suddenly add 10 random traits for no reason 😄

[hearty dune]

movement speed has negative value when your ophisto/scoriox get charmed by quinx like in the middle of fight and die from cleave

[silk bridge]

What do you mean?

[sonic dagger]

Internal post is not a good argument.
people made investment decisions based on the 6 public stats

[silk bridge]

Even if your fighters are on a corner, if the opponent is doing the same but is slower than you then your fighters will start hitting the tanks first and your opponent's fighters will arrive late and hit your fighters

[sonic dagger]

ah yes

[vast flame]

All I'm saying is that they've been around just not shown (because nothing has used/needed them yet)

[wicked mantle]

More than the 10 visible traits?

[sonic dagger]

not shown is the problem

theres nothing on illuvidex that indicate that the stat wheel is only or mainly applicable to "arena" or "OW"

[wicked mantle]

What I dont understand is the need to piss the players/"investors". The problem is almost only regarding perfect stats illuvials, that are very rare and between. But even so, instead of a 100tpi round number, they had to "be creative" and mess things up in the 95-98 range. Its surreal 😐

Next will we expect to have fuel explosions in illvium land?

[sonic dagger]

i just cant see how having 16 random stats is reasonable

[rugged geyser]

It is excessive

[sacred flax]

It has been nearly a day since the update that we have all been waiting for and anticipating and from what i can tell......no one seems happy and there is No positive comments or viewpoints.

[wicked mantle]

Its very frustrating...been in here since the beginning, have a T4 land that costed me an eye, was nerfed 80%, then nerfed again, not it is worth 20% of the initial value. Got a lot of illivuals, some with perfect stats that I paied for and now they are not "perfect" because of hidden stats. I understand that no one can garantee the value of stuff (token is 99,2% down from ATH), but man....would be great to NOT piss the people that are supporting this

[wispy kindle]

Devs are on it.....claim page should reappear soon

[rugged geyser]

At least lets try to not lose value on what we can control
Now not only the market lowered the resell value, the update made my illuvial to sell even lower

[wicked mantle]

exactly!

[sonic dagger]

i mean if you really want some complex ecosystem, you probably can get away with 16 stats, altho balancing will be a nightmare, but at least show them if u want people to spend on them.
if the answer is because the other stats are TBD then idk man

[vast spear]

If fact there way more than 16 illuvials stats... in the end

[sacred flax]

Very True, I am sitting on 7 lands and thousands of hours put into collecting and getting ready for the game to explode...now this new version is not what we were told nor the path we planned for. Illuvium really needs new players more than ever because they are loosing the old player base with these misdirection. But hey we got a cosmetic....

[vast spear]

Yeah, illuvium need players, so PVP will be good.

[sonic dagger]

the different is if they are "base stats" or "RNG stats"

people just want to know what they are buying

[vast spear]

Yeah for sure!

[wicked mantle]

The old player base of morons like me that paid more than 5k bucks for a land on a game that they had high hopes for! But the rules are always changing, always messy. In 3 years, is more than enough time to get it right. But now the priority seems to milk the illuvitars thing.

After awhile it geens annoying, and the will to just liquidate everything at firesale and assume the loss becomes strong

[sonic dagger]

at least show the other 10 stats

even if we dnt know what to call them yet

[rugged geyser]

Even if i see the other stats, its not helping me man..
I paid alot of money to get a perfect illuvial.
Seeing the hidden traits that make him trash is not helping me

[sonic dagger]

alternatively cancel displaying the TPI and let new unsuspecting people buy them

[covert flint]

Hey guys, So I have a question, Si If you bough 100k of fuel, before with the migration, you lost lots of money?

[deep elk]

Thats crazy i almost bought a 100% illuvial

Feel bad for ppl who did

Makes sense tho why they werent 100%

but the traits showed perfect

The odds of a 100% must be 1 in a trillion lol

[thin wyvern]

you don't use the fuel, u go to support->request fuel refund and you get back the eth

[covert flint]

Yeah but before I could do so many more runs,I had a lot os solon and other thingy, Now I can only do 1 run?

[thin wyvern]

if you do the run you lost the money, if you don't do it and refund u just lost the upside

[rugged geyser]

The fuel got more expensive.
They somehow negated all that bonus fuel we got before
So if you bought tons of fuel anticipating because you thought it was cheap, they made it be more valuable.
It kind of sucks, but i know this is a smart move for the economy

[dawn heart]

In short 89:1 ---> if you have 100k crypton solon and hyperion in total, you should have 1123 fuel in your hand right now

[dense grove]

Honest question:
If you knew your Jokull had perfect stats in Arena but may or may not have perfect stats in future games would you have spent that much on it?

[dawn heart]

The amount of fuel that came to my account was correct in this context, so I did not feel the need to send an e-mail

[rugged geyser]

Clearly not.
Arena is not my game. I play overworld and waiting for mmo

[dense grove]

This is how I feel too. I would have still looked into purchasing but the amount spent would have had to be lower before I would have bought. I was curious if others felt the same.

@hearty dune could you explain what you mean by ❌ ?

[covert flint]

Is it worth to do a refund on previous fuels or not?

[rugged geyser]

He is a good arena player.
Some people value arena so the stats being important for arena its ok for them

[hearty dune]

i don't feel anything about this TPI. it's just number. if everyone at same position - i don't care about it.
yes, bad that we don't see "all stats". that our work which was done for past 8 month again go to void. but everyone at same possition.
so - no reason spend nervous for it

[dense grove]

Thanks for the explanation.

[thin wyvern]

it's the same for overworld too tho no? this only changes things for games that we don't even know about yet

[rugged geyser]

I paid 600$ for a 300% that has a 97 tpi
Other got a higher tpi with no maxed stats.
As it was highlighted, the tpi is an important indicator for sale value.
If i knew that the full maxed illuvial is actually a bad one, i wouldn't have paid for it.
So for some people is a pretty big deal.
And i only used this example, but i spent thousands of dollars in order to get high % illuvials

[rugged geyser]

Mmo might include those hidden stats

[wicked mantle]

No really. Some people were betting on full stats (for the flex, for the collection, for OCD), and willing to spend the extra mile for "perfection". Only those got screwed for the time being.

[hearty dune]

you can feel anything. i just explain my possitions.
as well - this TPI, it's created for other thing. - my own oppinion, and it's can be different that yours.
yes - that strange that we don't have 100 TPI at perfect illuvials.
but all my collection - i get it not for number, but for most utillity.

[rugged geyser]

I got it for utility too ( among others)
Just not arena

[hearty dune]

it's strange decision then. nothing around horizont, that your investmant got back to you.

[rugged geyser]

The decision was to buy a perfect illuvial
Nothing strange about it
It was strange for the team to decide it will not be perfect from now on

[wicked mantle]

My decisions on illuvium have been nothing short of strange.... 😛

[vapid citrus]

So what's the overall mood now?

[wicked mantle]

sore....

[hearty dune]

but you buy perfect, for what? to get better collection. it's no other utility for them, if you don't play arena.
yes - you pay x10-20 for them, that you buy just common without stats. but you decide you need them, and take risk for you.
but about hidden stats - yes. strange that we have some hidden.
or when they add omega for units don't use. or move speed for Fludd.
or when remove weapon/suits.
or when all shards/ores become usseles.
so - better think 10 times before doing something

[vapid citrus]

What are the reasons?

[dense grove]

Look in feedback ideas.

[hearty dune]

or stats which change with lvls. it was 5 stats before. now it's only 3.
someone noticed that resistance and move speed not up anymore with lvl?

[vapid citrus]

Just trying to garner mood from new people I haven't seen post changes

[rugged geyser]

In my country (an european directive) prevents this kind of transactions.
For one party to sell a product that has hidden flaws.
Its called a viciated product.
You cant introduce me a product that shows its perfect, and then modify it to make it worse

[wicked mantle]

You buy a Ferrari. Think its the fastest Ferrari in the world, with 832hp. Then Ferrari makes a software upgrade and tells you that that power number is just statistical, in reality it uses a Fiat engine that only puts 273hp. You feel stupid because there are faster cars out there, even Fiat Puntos. But you still can ride the Ferrari in the highways, and go fast....thats the argument 😦

[vapid citrus]

Ahh so another point of contention is the hidden traits

[rugged geyser]

Also, another law is to not make retroactive modifications.
Changes only should take effect from the moment the law has passed.
Same should be in here.
No modifications to already minted nfts.

[wicked mantle]

Next we will have sporadic fuel explosions and burndowns in random lands to reduce the supply.

[hearty dune]

but they sell you nothing. you buy it from market

[rugged geyser]

You missed my point.
We're not getting anywhere

[vapid citrus]

So for now all the things that make people upset are:

• 89:1 conversion
• Hidden traits
• No more plot to account fuel transfer
• OW items no longer nfts
• Stats changing randomly on illuvials
• Other?

But would we all agree the changes are going in the right direction?

[hearty dune]

i understand you, if place myself on your possition.
but i'm on different.
just tell you that it's your decision what to do or not. and we in crypto, so it's high risked every time you made decision

[heady sluice]

Why 89:1?

[dawn heart]

for it to go in the right direction, we need to have a sub-base that is supported by new player inflow

the weekly ILV rewards announced for adr and overworld must be increased, a player will spend $10 for stg3, I hope we are aware of this

what prize exactly will the new player be competing for? He will already spend much more for what he will receive

[vapid citrus]

Right... Do the benefits of the changes outweigh the painful consequences? I'd love to hear feedback of people that are enjoying the new system

[wicked mantle]

OW items no longer NFT??? The suits and such?

[vapid citrus]

that's right

[dawn heart]

yeah

[wicked mantle]

meh

[dawn heart]

and shards / ıngots etc.

[vapid citrus]

In an ideal world... this new economic model and game structure would have worked better if at original launch

But so much damage has been done

Curious how sentiment will shift

[dawn heart]

At the very beginning, for example... Didn't everything start off well? August - September...

[wicked mantle]

Honestly I dont k now what to say of it. There seems to be a will to change things, but they end up half-assed, cant understand why. That hidden stats thing is moronic. Is it very important? no, but it feels like another breach of trust for the ones who bought the perfect stats.

[vapid citrus]

No

[wicked mantle]

No

[vapid citrus]

Launch was terrible

[dawn heart]

for me the number of players was definitely good at that time and there was no such thing as this bonus amount

[wicked mantle]

And after a while lands got nerfed bad and everyone was wandering around with T5S3 illuvials

[vapid citrus]

Launch was padded with airdrop farmers... not genine players

[wicked mantle]

indeed...

[dawn heart]

ahh there is already a group living for this.. i can't deny it's true

[vapid citrus]

I think LB rewards are a much smarter way to incentivize... people will actually play and get good and not farm meaningless tasks

But I wonder how new people will come despite the rocky road to get here. Marketing?

[silk bridge]

Are you a French speaker?

[vast spear]

Oui

[thin elbow]

Maybe add

• decoupeling of Zero from economy
• dev Pause of Zero
• nerf of leviathan stats (maybe thats just a minority of people)
• skin System of zero
• new pricing model

[vapid citrus]

definitely

But... are things set up now for new players to come?

[silk bridge]

Nerfing leviathan stats was the right move in my opinion and that's from someone who has lvl 60 illuvials with perfect genetic

Having huge stat bonuses makes the game way harder to balance and it's not like you need a big % bonus to have a big edge

Having +5% HP here and there already gives a significant edge for example

I just hope that they will keep levels relevant

Having XP is a good excuse to implement a burning mechanism

I would understand if they make XP easier to grind though, it shouldn't be as painful as it is right now

While giving a small compensation to those who painfully grinded their way up to lvl 60

[thin elbow]

Might be the right move, yea.
But the goal of going 80% skill 20% p2w likely gets to the result that you just onboard pro whales and Miss out on the other 97% of whales.

Nobody is going to pay 10k for a top Deck if he gets beaten by a pro with a 200$ deck

[dawn heart]

sorry sota, is there an article about these level 60 illuvials being less important now?

[thin elbow]

No

[hearty dune]

if i know that traits will give less % per lvl/traits - i'l spend less time to grind all this exp.
if difference betwine 50lvl and 60 5% and not 10 - why have spend extra 5 days to get 8 illuvials at this bonus.
if difference betwine full traits at 4 and 5 - 5%, why have to try made perfect stats deck, if 40% will be decend?

and not fact, that they not touch that again

we already lose impact of resistance by lvls.

[silk bridge]

There are ongoing conversations about removing XP
Besides that I think that a recent patch included a 50% bonus stats nerf but they just talked about it shortly if I remember correctly

[craggy pine]

you guys are making the game worse and worse! i invested in the game from day one and now i am so disappointed!

[dense grove]

@vapid citrus Looking at this from a completely blank slate I'm concerned about ADRs and what they will do to the prices of S1, S2 Illuvials especially considering what fusing costs are.

Fusing was a way to get people actually playing in order to level up their Illuvials. It was the burning mechanism for lower stage Illuvials as people gambled to get a S3 or for those wanting to make skins out of the higher Tier Illuvials. Not including T0s, Dualeph is the only Illuvial I don't own (used mine for a skin). I can buy it for $20. on marketplace. Why would I pay to do runs to get my Alphies up to a point I can fuse them when that would cost me so much more? Risk to reward has become far too great to make it worth the gamble on stats.

[silk bridge]

I'm mostly happy about this change because balancing seemed impossible with the previous system
If there were no balance problems I don't know if it would have been the right move

[versed flare]

Exp should be included at the end of gauntlet matches, gives extra incentive to play more gauntlet....can be tide to battle pass any update on this @near pier ?

[vapid citrus]

Def going to flood the market more with lower tiers

[thin elbow]

Idk, i'm not a dev.
As a noob i would argue one can balance everything if the Goal is to have a balance. Just some Systems need more Effort than others

[silk bridge]

I think that 5% is still a big enough advantage, especially for a pro like you

[hearty dune]

not at this state of game. at leviathan you will win still by build/augs.

[vapid citrus]

why... what specifically are you not happy with?

[craggy pine]

about how to convert FUEL! you are making a serious mistake by losing the richness of the game!

[vapid citrus]

You mean from land plots?

[stable notch]

didn't expect to have 89:1 ratio of fuel i do understand that fuel system would be overhauled as it mess of system, not sure if i will get refund or not as still not yet to understand how it works,
illuvium is incomplete game any investment is very risky do at your own risk guys.

[craggy pine]

overWorld

[vapid citrus]

Not sure I understand

[thin elbow]

There will be a blog coming covering everything about refund very soon

[craggy pine]

idnt expect the fuel ratio to be 89:1, i understand the fuel system will be overhauled as it is a mess, not sure if i will get a refund as i still dont understand how it works,
i bought it for $90 now not worth it!

[rain moss]

i guess i would needd to pick what to buy no?

[silk bridge]

It's a bug

[rain moss]

ye i see all things changed exept bugs

[silk bridge]

I just surrender when it happens to me, I don't know how to fix it

[rain moss]

im on 7th reconnect rn

make it 8

[mystic vigil]

soo now new players will have to pay $50 for fusing a tier5 stage ill and compete with old players who have plenty of them already ?

stage3*

[rain moss]

while thatt is going on im on reconnect 10 in arena

[dense grove]

Yes but they will also have a much higher chance of getting them on runs than old players did.

[silk bridge]

If you're an early adopter it's normal to have an advantage

[tepid spindle]

nothing could be more normal than for the company to favor those who held on and stayed on the project, wouldn't you agree?

[silk bridge]

Let them give some love to early adopters

[rain moss]

worst thing is i cant eaven surend

[mystic vigil]

it's 50/50 I would say

[dense grove]

I mean lots of us who were playing OW were collecting S1 Illuvials thinking we could fuse them up later so....

[mystic vigil]

but kind of unfair too

how many attempts is needed to make a decent tier5 stage3? and how much money ? I play since 2 month and still don;t have any tier5 stage3

[dense grove]

Drop rates have increased now since OW opened back up.

In testnet playing I caught a Rhamphyre in the first few runs

[silk bridge]

I don't think that I've seen any T5S3 in the first 2 months I played as well and I have spent more than $1000 in fuel and played hundreds of T3 runs

[tepid spindle]

you know I think there should be seasonal dolls. with unique opportunities to capture them after the event just by buying them.

[rain moss]

game is getting worse and worse as much as i can see

[vapid citrus]

why?

[rain moss]

there is no why it just is....

[thin elbow]

<@&821154860816793604>

[wispy kindle]

https://tenor.com/view/dance-hammertime-mc-hammer-gif-352549262400188015

[jagged oasis]

How do I open a ticket? In the past, I bought fuel worth $120. I’ve used some of it, but not so much that it would now be worth only $5. Back then, I had calculated that I could afford to do many 'rides' at Stage 3. I understand that you’ve changed the system, but please at least take into account the value that was originally purchased. Now the new fuel shows a value of only $5.

[hearty dune]

just buy on market, or catch in OW/ADR

[final jackal]

I unistalled the game and installed again but I keep getting error 403 😪

[median jay]

Now fuel is expensive and the price of the things we sell is not even enough to replace the fuel we use... I'm from Brazil, I'm used to such high prices, but I never imagined I would experience this in the game too. hahaha... Stage 3 is way outside of what would be good, since farming/loot also didn't increase to compensate for the price... My opinion, although there may be people who are finding it good as it is.

[wispy kindle]

#❓❗〕community-help message

[hallow solar]

So, if I got the new system right. I am probably best of in demanding a refund and buy new fuel with the refund money, because the conversion rate is insanly bad

right?

[thin wyvern]

they could pull an airdrop based on points per collection like they did in beta to boost illuvials prices and people doing runs but then they'd just drop right back after the event

[median jay]

What they should have done was to refund those who purchased at the previous price... If I spent $5 and I spent $1, they should have refunded at least the $4 of the previous price.

[hearty dune]

it's already start with LB that come in next 5 days

[thin wyvern]

isn't bounty hunt actually catching them or is it gonna just give points for collection?

[hearty dune]

catch, but you got points for every catched.

[mystic vigil]

Ok so the main point is to by increasing fusion cost we will stop flooding the market with low stats ill and use fusion only for the best ones

[hearty dune]

but i'm not sure if that will work. coz price of every run high now.

1. you run and try catch only good illuvials, but every run will take 1.5-2hours.
2. you catch all high points illuvials, and doing run for 15-20mins.
   at 1st option - you got something, but spend much time.
   at 2nd - you probably lose much money, depend of token price when you sell it

[hearty dune]

i have 150 illuvials tier-5 stage 1. i'm also upset with this fuse price.
but if you need something for your collection - i'm just show 2 easy way how you can resolve it.

[hallow solar]

is there a way to see my old fuel purchases?
I am absolutely not sure anymore how much fuel cost over the last month.
We had like 50000 fuel for around 0.0037 eth?

[hearty dune]

do you remember bonus % at which you buy fuel? if was around 5000% - then you got amount of fuel, which you can buy if refound.

[hallow solar]

hmm, I believe for my 1k purchases I had like 20k, 40k and maybe some 70k purchases.....

I guess I open a ticket and ask how much i would get

without demanding a refund...

[thin wyvern]

there's no reason to not refund, if u wanted to buy u can just buy with the refund money anyway

[near pier]

SDFJHK

Hollow join

custom lobby

[sudden dawn]

join us - SDFJHK

Game -> Arena -> Custom Lobby

[woeful shale]

The game has had nonstop bugs for almost two years now; they should hire better game developers and designers.

[near pier]

win a cosmetic d1sk if you beat rogier and me

and you have to beat tuk tuk

@wicked wyvern

we cant lose

[woeful shale]

The money they are wasting with the council should be put toward this instead. imo

[thin wyvern]

are there any big multiplayer games that don't run on their own engine?

[vapid citrus]

Illuvidex revamp makes navigating to marketplace difficult

[wispy kindle]

Easiest cosmetic d1sks ever.......join now

[languid silo]

So your basically giving away Discs?

[deep elk]

Land should have a chance in minting some fuel or d1sks thatd be cool, to make up for the absolute shit show

[wispy kindle]

GG.....Beast of a comp

[hearty dune]

do i win something? @near pier

[thin elbow]

Dream Team

[novel oak]

Once this MMO goes live we will board the rocket, start buying ILV now

[near pier]

yes send me your address

[near pier]

lol he stole my units

[hearty dune]

you have in dm, in pined message

[near pier]

ok

[thin elbow]

And you let it happen 😆

[silk bridge]

If Illuvium is implementing these changes I think that there won't be many big problems left to address:

• Migrating over to another blockchain like IMX ZKEVM
• Mobile optimization
• Translating the game to all important languages
• Having a good gauntlet game without major bugs
• Burning mechanism for XP
• Purchases in-game as well as d1sks purchases in fuel
• TPI equivalent to strength in arena

Tell me if I forget anything

I give you 48h

[stark anvil]

This game is crap, whoever stocked up on 1000 dollars of gasoline some time ago, has the equivalent of 30 dollars of new gasoline hahahaha
and whoever bought it cheap, can request a refund? What's the logic?

Soon they will release wave 12 of stickers for you to spend your money on hahahaha

[vapid citrus]

At minimum increase the leaderboard rewards so it’s on par with the other games

[stark anvil]

Does anyone want to buy my account with everything? There's a lot of good stuff, I've played for 2 thousand hours, I'm getting out of this shit

[wicked mantle]

IS there anything planned in terms of illuvials burning besides for XP? for retraiting/restats, fusing, etc?

[hard fossil]

hey guys, I haven't seen or heard anything of the game ever since the trailer got released 2 years ago. How's the player count and general competitive state of the game right now?

[vapid citrus]

It’s like relaunch right now… just getting started

[wicked mantle]

cautiously optimistic about this "relaunch"....still semi skeptical. Maybe just PTSD, dunno.

[vapid citrus]

Lots 😝

[vocal yoke]

wen marketing

[hard fossil]

ah its not officially released yet?

[wicked mantle]

it was released in a clumpsy way some months ago....now its getting reworked. Lets see 😛

[deep elk]

Got any alpha illuvitars?

[vapid citrus]

Economy has been reworked and just released.

[wicked mantle]

Its like the Euro € in 2002! We have a brand new economy running :p

[hard fossil]

interesting, I suppose that they made it possible to earn ILV ingame?

I bought my ILV for $1200 a piece 😂

[vapid citrus]

Leaderboard rewards are coming

[vapid citrus]

Yah I bought a t4 land near the top and still have it

[wicked mantle]

Oh God. And are you ok? We' re here for you 😛

[silk bridge]

I don't think that there's anything official about it but the community has voiced their concerns about restats

[wicked mantle]

I bought both....a T4 near the top and ILV at 1200...

Still have twitches when thinking about it.

[hard fossil]

yeah I only ever invested what I was comfortable with losing

[wicked mantle]

Me too. Still twithcing though.

[hard fossil]

some lessons have to be learned the hard way

[wicked mantle]

Should have put it all in 32 red, vegas style.

[hard fossil]

that sounds like a low risk investment in comparison

[wicked mantle]

ye...

[deep elk]

Make ilv great again

[hard fossil]

I'm just curious how the competitive state of the game is, a game is usually built from the top

do people actually care about ranks, leaderboard positions, tournaments etc?

[vapid citrus]

I care about leaderboards rewards and community. Beyond is mostly what kept me here… including the leaderboard rewards over there

[hard fossil]

thanks for your inputs, would you say you are more invested economically or emotionally in the game?

I get the feeling a lot of people might play because they invested so they feel obliged to, or they see it with rose colored glasses because of it

[vapid citrus]

Used to be heavily invested… now just a little less heavily 😂

I am a realist… and unafraid to call out shit when it’s clear it needs addressing

But there’s things that are working here… and things also not working. It’s a big ecosystem.

[wicked mantle]

excelent question....surely both....

[hard fossil]

I see, thanks for the insights guys I really appreciate it

[wicked mantle]

good luck! I still have hope in this game...but yes, some soreness.

[vapid citrus]

I’ll tell you that shifting my mindset to that of ‘I could lose it all and be ok’ made it a lot easier. So I got out of Ilv and just hold NFTs and play the game.

All rewards I get go back into the ecosystem. So it’s a self funding mechanism now.

I won’t put fresh capital in any more.

[wicked mantle]

Exactly what I'm doing....assumed it was just lost and move on

[stark anvil]

floor price

[wicked mantle]

And its my biggest crypto loss by far 😐

[hearty dune]

we talk about it already half years ago. seems it's long way untill all happend

[deep elk]

Whats wallet ? Lemme look thru it

[slate venture]

Illuvium is in a good position. It would be cool to get loyalty fuel drops? We got this far with no advertising, imagine with??

[languid silo]

https://tenor.com/view/come-on-come-to-me-i-got-you-austin-powers-dr-evil-gif-22424600

So close

[stark anvil]

0xf1b40be8089df4bc05e9bd72dcace10ce00bafbb

[stark anvil]

0xf1b40be8089df4bc05e9bd72dcace10ce00bafbb

[stark anvil]

This game was the biggest shame of web3, almost 5 years of project, they promised everything and delivered nothing hahahaa

[stark anvil]

illuvium came out with fifa 2020, now fifa is in 2026, and illuvium went to 1997

how to waste 200 million from investors
watch the next chapter
with beyond wave 14

[wind forge]

Is there any info about conversion rates of fuels when they created that one fuel thing?

i feel like i spent hundreds on it and got like 20$ of new fuel in returd

wtf lol

[dense grove]

89:1
You can ask for a refund if you prefer. Details on how to do that should be out soon.

[wind forge]

rofl, i had fuel for hundreds of runs and now when i entered the game i can see that i could make 3 with new fuel

nice scam

[narrow vigil]

DMs are scams

Mods and Team members will never DM you.
Never trust advice or links received in DMs.

Beta access, giveaways, and promotions are not given out via DM. Scams are designed to trick you into installing malicious software to gain access to your wallet or to convince you to enter your seed phrase into a website. Never give your private key (12 to 24-word seed phrase) to anyone.

Support is not provided via DMs

Support is handled publicly, or in threads within the Illuvium Discord. People offering support via DM are scammers.

Please follow the instructions pinned in #report-scammers to report bad actors so we can remove them from the server.

[dense grove]

That's why they offer your money back if you aren't happy with the new pricing.🙂

[wind forge]

and probably they offer it vs current pricing so it would be like 40$ 😄

[dense grove]

From what I understand, it will be what you paid.

[glass flume]

i came to see how everyone was taking the update sheesh smoked us on the conversion so where do we go to get the refund on fuel ect

had $20 of each lol now im like 3 runs worth

[wind forge]

Im so glad i didnt touch this for weeks, if I would be active player on overworld i would be no. 1 hater

[dense grove]

If you look here there is some info. Look at the blog about fuel conversion.
#📣〕announcements message

[wind forge]

feels sorry for people who were active here. i guess ill come back to check in few months if this thing is still alive

[foggy inlet]

To be perfectly honest I could care less about the fuel lose as long as they keep moving forward and the auto drone runs a awesome

[glossy kettle]

They offer refund for the same dollar amount you paid and people still cry about being a scam or whatever. Such a joke

[narrow vigil]

DMs are scams

Mods and Team members will never DM you.
Never trust advice or links received in DMs.

Beta access, giveaways, and promotions are not given out via DM. Scams are designed to trick you into installing malicious software to gain access to your wallet or to convince you to enter your seed phrase into a website. Never give your private key (12 to 24-word seed phrase) to anyone.

Support is not provided via DMs

Support is handled publicly, or in threads within the Illuvium Discord. People offering support via DM are scammers.

Please follow the instructions pinned in #report-scammers to report bad actors so we can remove them from the server.

[glass flume]

crazy i mainly played for the overworld now i cant do all the runs i saved for

[wind forge]

You mean like around 12$ per run autodrone runs?

good games on steam costs that much if You get good price because of some promotions

[dense grove]

The one thing to remember with the new pricing of runs is that you do get a lot more for the runs than we used to. Higher tier Illuvials showing up more often. There are no longer sharding costs either.

[hearty dune]

but why you need all this high tier illuvials?

[dense grove]

Well, I needed them when I was planning on making every skin there was to make and selling some.

It takes 3 of an Illuvial to make a skin.

[wind forge]

Dunno, I feel like i played for weeks playing on my T4 land and OV and i was investing allot of time and effort to just get screwed tbh and i wasnt even that active this year

[hearty dune]

you can buy from market x3 cheaper

[wind forge]

for me this looks like cash grab right now

especially on T4

[dense grove]

For awhile that wasn't true though, it was cheapest to buy T5 S1 and level them up, especially if, like me you wanted to complete an album and own all the Illuvials at the same time. With the high fusing costs I will buy from marketplace if I want to do skins.

Some people like to capture their own though and have their name in that captured area.

[wind forge]

feels like they just hired EA or ubisoft microtransactions director lol

[glass flume]

Crazy how they converted 3 currencys to 1 and said everyone gets 3 lol

[hearty dune]

you will see a lot of cheap T5S3, T5S2, T4S3 in 1.5 week from now on market. my predict T5S3 with price of 5-6$

[dense grove]

I agree.

ADRs are going to lower the cost of Illuvials.

[glass flume]

i was hoping the price was gunna go up for illuviums

[hearty dune]

curent OW, and this new airdrop will be reason, not ADR

[wind forge]

ok thanks guys, sorry for salt dropped but tbh i came to see some cool update and it was only the biggest disappointment so far but probably thats why we are at all time low

[glass flume]

there is an airdrop again?

[dense grove]

It might long term. If Illuvium does great things in the future.

[dense grove]

ADRs are included in the airdrop and people don't have to put in time just push the button.

[wind forge]

ah nice, they also took all my IZ fuel away on T4

[glass flume]

whats the new air drop? thought it was cancelled?

[hearty dune]

then think again, how better farm LB points in OW.

yes, you can push button and doing 100 ADR. and get 10 ilv as revard. is it worth?

[dense grove]

I have no interest in chasing LB points in OW, especially through ADR but then I also don't buy a ton of Beyond Disks hoping for a rare holo and to be on that board either.

Some people love that kind of thing and if it gives them a chance of also getting 10 ILV they do it.

[hearty dune]

most of this people have big believe/hope. or have problem with math.
yes, some doing that for fun. but most - not

[glass flume]

where is info on the new airdrop??

[hearty dune]

in announcement?

[dense grove]

Maybe, I think it's just that dopamine addiction that kicks in and people think, just one more...
Ah well, you are going for the Arena LB I am sure you will do well on there.🙂

[languid silo]

the TLDR:

[hearty dune]

i'l play both LB i think.

[dense grove]

Where do we find the MBLBIWTR
(Might Be Long But I Want To Read)

[foggy inlet]

Hell yes just dropped another $100 lol

$10 runs that way have you looked at a mtg collectors pack

Price

[languid silo]

almost got a seizure reading those letters.

https://illuvium.io/news/illuvium-rewards-are-back-rangers

Here you go

[split lintel]

The one that shows U the stats and has toggles?

Lol they can have it Idc

[dense grove]

I will be the death of you one day but today is not the day.
(Which is good, that wasn't a creepy threat)
BTW thanks for posting that for me.
I'm just going to go now

[split lintel]

I don't know. If someone wants to write such a proposal, then they can decide what they'd want.

I agree it'd be pretty brutal without a refund and also that the DAO doesn't have enough money to refund anyone what the Illuvials are worth.

[foggy inlet]

So I have no problem paying $10 per run or $1

[languid silo]

Rich is more likeley to end me than you Torial

[dense grove]

https://tenor.com/view/okay-sounds-good-jim-halpert-the-office-good-point-gif-1570599340039365094

[languid silo]

I just lost against him and i feel really shitty,waiting for him to rub it in

as one should

i would 100% do it to him

[dense grove]

He isn't a good loser but he is a worse winner?

[hearty dune]

or you can go on market and buy x5 more different illuvials for price of 1 run

[languid silo]

game started

[foggy inlet]

No fun in that no gamble

They should add a 1 of 1. Illuvial per month or week or whatever

[hearty dune]

it will be. 1 illuvials set per every.... soon

[near pier]

i lost right after you lol

@hearty dune i sent you d1sks

@inland tartan send me your passprot

ill send you d1sk

[left briar]

converted everything above 1000 and its in your passport 89:1

@near pier did you give me 5 cosmetic d1sks for the #ILVHunt, i have to kill the project, the auto drone runs dont have anything to distinguish captures from real captures, so i want to return the gifts

[warm lantern]

Illuvials have a liquid? worth?

[left briar]

let me get out of passport, i think i can tell on the illuvidex

[near pier]

you can keep em

[glossy kettle]

The mahmut isn’t correctly being recognized in the illuvial collection page

[left briar]

there was a reason for that I gave the bug report to the team, they have a ascii code problem on the name

some are named Mah'mut some are named Mah%50Mut or something like that, i forget

[plain apex]

Price/demand of correctly named Mammoth has now skyrocketed. Best hunt for the right named Mammoth now while you still can ^_^

[left briar]

errored, i think i am refunding illuvitar d1sks to you? #ilvhunt was canceled due to ADR

your wallet end in 2562?

[plain apex]

Keep one for yourself as i appreciate the initiative/work you did but i'll take the other 4 back please

Ah let me grab it for you

Thanks for reaching out, and if it starts up again happy to contribute or help you out getting it working again if you wanna co dev

[languid silo]

It helps

[plain apex]

0x4537ac052492391b2b1ff26cb4ec2e01c0fbd9b0 @left briar thanks mate

Passport before

https://illuvidex.illuvium.io/ranger/Errored

[left briar]

got it thx

[plain apex]

Got them thanks mate 🙂

[left briar]

np, ty

[thin elbow]

https://tenor.com/view/morgan-freeman-gif-24496452

[arctic wave]

Hello babyy spoon

[thin elbow]

https://tenor.com/view/spoon-big-spoon-funny-mad-evil-stare-gif-17762991

you got it?

[glossy kettle]

Is ADR not optimised for mobile? Just did my first opening on chrome iPad and it literally crashed my application after I flipped 3 of the 8 cards. Terrible experience unfortunately 🥲

[thin elbow]

haven't heard of that before... a report would be appreciated 🙂

[glossy kettle]

Where can I report?

[thin elbow]

can submit a request in #❓❓〕support

[thin elbow]

did you try it multiple times and it crashed always?

[hard warren]

Include the device / specs

[glossy kettle]

No was literally my first try on ADR. First impressions matter to many people so it should be right, especially in a mini game like that

[vapid citrus]

Yah I noticed it didn't work on safari for ios but it worked on chrome

[glossy kettle]

Or wait I did a try on the testet too and had a similar behaviour there

I am using chrome on iPad Pro 6th gen

Submitted a bug report now

[thin elbow]

oh yea, absolutely agree 🙂

[arctic wave]

Yess boss

[thin elbow]

looks like you have a nice run

[inland tartan]

0xcf815f01210ac2baf7efe9349777b4e3dd0d588e

[arctic wave]

Co'z you're here so I enjoy hunting illuvials.

[cyan anchor]

My first stage 2 dark holo!

[green carbon]

Damn I bought like 150 bucks in fuel so I had enough for about 50 runs in T3, then I took a break for a month or two and now the fuel conversion leaves me only enough for 3 or 4 runs? Can I just get a refund of my original purchases instead taking that conversion?

[dense grove]

Yes you can. The info for exactly how that will work should be being announced soon.

[green carbon]

Thank you, I will keep an eye out. Lol that was quite a shock to see.

[dense grove]

Yes price went up. There are better drop rates now though and you don't have to pay fuel for things like shard crafting.

[tawny sorrel]

I cant connect

[green carbon]

Yeah I kind of expected the changes, but 3 runs for a hundred and fifty bucks is a bit overboard I would think.

Then again, I missed the last little while, it was about 11 to 1 and 13 to 1 bonuses when i last bought it. I guess recently it got out of hand to they had to come down hard.

[vast spear]

I created a report to keep track on Fuel sale, Enjoy!

[hoary mist]

Love it

[vast spear]

Soon points will start accumulating and Fuel sale increase as well 😄

[atomic rain]

guys how can i join phantom discord?

[vast spear]

Try #1169004294473793597

[bright patio]

How far back can you go to ask for a refund

[signal yoke]

Are they scamming players now? More than $60 in gas turned into less than $10. What the hell is this?

[narrow vigil]

DMs are scams

Mods and Team members will never DM you.
Never trust advice or links received in DMs.

Beta access, giveaways, and promotions are not given out via DM. Scams are designed to trick you into installing malicious software to gain access to your wallet or to convince you to enter your seed phrase into a website. Never give your private key (12 to 24-word seed phrase) to anyone.

Support is not provided via DMs

Support is handled publicly, or in threads within the Illuvium Discord. People offering support via DM are scammers.

Please follow the instructions pinned in #report-scammers to report bad actors so we can remove them from the server.

[novel oak]

https://illuvium.io/news/fuel-migration-what-you-need-know

[arctic wave]

exlusive only for those who have thousands in there wallet

[gloomy ibex]

Same here. over 70$ spended, now
Thank you team for stolen me
And now I can play "the amazing package gacha opening games"

[signal yoke]

true

crazy

[hard warren]

You can request a refund, it's part of the fuel squish to fix the economy

[dense grove]

I have sent you an invite.

[timber torrent]

lot BS being spoken recently doesnt even need comunity feedback

[summer prism]

Good day to all. Wishing you a very great Saturday ahead

[signal yoke]

Is it still possible to see the history of all the gas I purchased?

[worthy juniper]

3rd April 00:00 is confusing. it would be better to use 23:59.

But I think the rewards and all of that starts midnight from 3rd to 4th?

[snow ember]

So what is supposed to be the best value discounting time. Drone runs or Overworld

[glass parcel]

What's this rumor of burning all Illuvials, Joke right?, if they ever did this it will be the nail in the coffin that kills the game and I would expect thousands of $$$$$ of compensations for what I have and the time I have spent in the game.

[worthy juniper]

Drone runs are expected to give you 20% less value, so playing overworld yourself gives you more bang for your buck at the cost of the time investment

[worthy juniper]

where you heard that from? 😄 I can assure you that there is no burning of all Illuvials planned in even the slightest way.

[timber torrent]

Everybody top of there own leaderboard atm 😉

[snow ember]

I hope so\

[timber torrent]

check out the Downlaod E83 on YT even I was shocked so much BS

[glass parcel]

People were talking about in this chat a few hundred comments up, or I must have mis readed it LOL Do a search for Burn All Illuvials or something you may find it.

[near pier]

https://discord.gg/illuvium?event=1355383175836205178

[worthy juniper]

You can still sign up right now https://x.com/Phantom_ilv/status/1904454171245330892 Link is in the first comment, If we have enough people on the waiting list, we will open up the tournament to more people!

Phantom Guild ♊️ (@Phantom_ilv) on X

Illuvium sponsored Community Tournament🔥🔥🔥

The Phantom Gauntlet Clash #9 kicks off at 8AM(!) UTC, on Saturday, 29th March ‼️

60 ILV on the Line! 💰

Sign up fast, only a few spots left. 👀

Cu in the Arena, Ranger! 👋

X · Mar 25, 2025, 8:43 AM

[dense grove]

Sam brought up in Scoriox's YT Download Illuvium News.

[near pier]

ill put the link in the event

[worthy juniper]

@small summit you sure all Illuvials are getting burned? 😄 I haven't seen the video but that sounds wild and very much against anything I have heard from the team and community about this in the last years.

[dense grove]

He said that is what he would do. Not that is what is going to happen.

Glad they are NFTs and that Sam isn't on council.

[near pier]

wow is that a rumour lol

i watched the first 10 minutes and heard that part, he cleary said what he would do

[worthy juniper]

okok 😄 that makes sense

[dense grove]

I thnk Sam likes a bit of drama....

[worthy juniper]

yeah don't worry, we ain't gonna burn all illuvials. There is some small burn mechanisms already in place, and if there is any more being added, they would be structured in a way that doesn't threaten the overall supply, since we need these illuvials for future games where ownership matters and for example unlocks your race car drivers 😛

[worthy juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/burn-gif-20530397

[dense grove]

Besides, anyone tries to take Steve and heads will roll.😜

Are you in ranked Gauntlet right now???

4/8

[near pier]

ill fire it up

shoot its updating

im on my laptop

my daughter and i inside

gona be a minute

[dense grove]

We area at 4/8 you have lots of time unfortunately....

I was hoping to jump on for a quick game but I think I will need to do my land while I wait.

[small summit]

Haha I’m just saying what I would do knowing it wouldn’t be a super popular opinion ☺️

[small summit]

100% haha

My opinion ☺️

[left briar]

to make skins and fuse a lot of illuvials will be burned, a lot more than you think, if you never crafted yet... 3 per skin

[dense grove]

Yeah if we can bring in enough players and they want our skins we will be going through Illuvials for sure.

[left briar]

i pretty sure it wont matter, all you need is a filter to remove all TPI < 40 etc etc

[dense grove]

Gauntlet 4/8. I have to practise before the airdrop farmers hit.

[left briar]

ill let you beat me up more

[dense grove]

That would be nice of you if you let me win.

[left briar]

i wont let you, but if you seen my skill level, hehe

[dense grove]

I made it over 1,000 again finally. I was so happy but I am only 6 over so I am a bit scared to play again.

[left briar]

nice, i only got about 10 games under my belt, im 1181 so trying to hold on that 1200 mark

[dense grove]

I got down to the low 800s so it has been a tough climb back up.

[left briar]

yeah been there, it hurts

[dense grove]

It's not looking to good for us that we are going to get players.

[left briar]

we can try begging.... 6/8 lets go one more tonite!

7/8

[dense grove]

How are you at 7/8 when mine says 4/8?

[left briar]

wow, 2 queues?

[dense grove]

I'm going to cancel and see if I can get in yours.

[left briar]

hrmph lost one, now 6/8

[dense grove]

Yeah, now it says 7/8 I was a second too slow.

@near pier are you on yet?

[near pier]

mim in

[near pier]

Im in

3/8

[bright patio]

Damn sucks this fuel conversion guess I will get the special item

Any one know if the special cosmetic reward for holding 1k in fuel is tradable

[left briar]

gg gnite, couldnt get that last illuvial slot unlocked... :/

[dense grove]

Goodnight, thanks for playing it was fun.:)

[dense grove]

Thanks for coming on, even if you were too late for the game.

[left briar]

i keep forgetting to sell my old armor weapons, cost me my 9th water... no time for a newb lol

[dense grove]

It's hard to read everything. You are doing amazing for not having played much yet.

[near pier]

im waiting for the next

[dense grove]

same

[left briar]

I had 3 tsunami, such a blunder... got beat up really bad early though... caused panic

but i also have to learn what tsunami actually does lol

energy after omega...

not important unless you put it on the right dude... so he can cast again.... would that be alphie?

i had the +40 omega thing on him, prolly woulda worked out

[hard warren]

No way in hell this happens. It’s not even required, we should make a good enough game that the current supply is eaten up and repriced over time.

More players + avenues to burn our low stat duplicates.

I need to burn my garbage Illuvials for "Rare Candies" like in Pokemon to grant XP to my top Illuvials.. or similar.

[left briar]

not burning anything, in 10 years ill have a plethoria of OG scratch everyone will desire

[near pier]

@dense grove nooooooooooooooooo

lol

i literally just went and checked the game

and i was dyign

no ping or nothing

[dense grove]

It took me so long to realize that you were gone. I thought you were doing a losing strategy and then I got too focused on what I was doing. I am so sorry I just let you die. I feel awful now.
If it makes you feel better Illuvium paid me back for it by giving me a major crash - twice. I think I still came third though, not sure...

[near pier]

lol

Yeah I do losing strat so often it bit me in the ass

[hazy dome]

Cash app cards not able to buy fuel is gay.

I know its not yalls fault but wtf

I just wanted to do a hyper run

Eveny if you just wanted my money

So much spent to feel so broken .

[bright patio]

Is special cosmetic tradable

[hazy dome]

There going broke they dont care if your selling just buying.

Someone had to say it.

[bright patio]

Might be true they messed up with lands and I bet regret selling them but they needed the cash

[hazy dome]

Hahahaha thanks for the reinsurance

Love this game but just feels like we got rug pulled.

So did I.

[bright patio]

Well i don't like the conversion rate but I haven't seen how much runs are costing since I have logged into since the new fuel

[verbal ridge]

market place not working?

[uncut token]

How do I convert my land resources to fuel?

[verbal ridge]

guys, is your market place working?

[vast flame]

So you have someone from the team as well. No burning of all illuvials has been done or is being planned or will be planned

🙂

[lapis thorn]

but, there are rumors!
and they did it with our fuel, so it's normal that people don't trust the project anymore.
We need clearance!

[velvet bolt]

are the converted fuel accurate?

i had lots of fuel, now i have 987 and by the looks of it 1050 is 9.99$, i definitely had over 10$ in fuel

[thin elbow]

https://tenor.com/view/illuvium-ilv-yield-farming-yield-farm-play2earn-gif-23069193

[thin elbow]

the fuel got converted with a ratio of 89:1 to the new Unified fuel.
There will be a blog coming soon describing in detail how you have to do a refund if you like to do.

[velvet bolt]

a refund? like refunding fuel - money? or how does it work

[thin elbow]

yes, you basically should get the same $ value back you invested for the fuel you already hold.
But there's a blog coming explaining it in detail.

[velvet bolt]

oh okay, i probably wont refund anything since OW is back

i just didnt know the ratio was 89:1, all good tho

looking forward to seeing what the team represents

will the MMO use the undefined fuel too?

[vast spear]

Here is the report tracking Fuel purchase.
69 Transactions, Avg: $34** **
**39 **Unique wallet adresse:
One wallet represent 39.19% : 0x355c399b3b6068fcaeed022c871a4e855393d391

[inland tartan]

When these connection bugs (can not reconnect or surrender) will be fixed ? It is so annoying to play - community tries all the best - to play, to do tournaments, to report everything. The game can be imbalanced a bit but now ? it is Sizifus work 😦

[spring breach]

Purchase history of fuels, at what dollar amount, and what quantity etc.. where do i see that? Feels like the value I had has been insanely diluted, in the way this has been implemented. I definately purchased fuel for a value total that far exceeds the value i have now

[thin elbow]

can't see that anymore... at least i haven't found it yet.
Ya, i feel the same
I hope stuff gets more clear when that blog about refund dropps.

[spring breach]

yes this has to be made visible, you pay for something and recieve it, then it is diluted 89 to 1, how can we otherwise know what we will get refunded is correct unless we get to see all previous transactions we had

[thin elbow]

yes, i totally agree

[spring breach]

so now, we just wait and see? What about all items etc, they are removing those as NFTs? to me that is insane, make them untradable? I thought that was the entire differentiator for Web3, ownership and tradability of assets. For me that has followed the project over 2 years, i have no clue what to do, its all blurry. I have been purchasing fuel, stacking up, playing the economy, and now they just split it by 89. Whats the reason, and is that legal?

[thin elbow]

there are some unknowns to some collections like weapons and suits.
But yea, i got surprised myself those collections not being nft's anymore.

[spring breach]

There cannot be unknows about these things, this should have been clearly thought through prior to these changes. Imagine having spent hundreds of dollars on what you thought was tradable items, that in some way you could recoup, and now they are just some sort of account bound item... no sane person would put a dime back into the project unless these things are sorted out

[thin elbow]

don't have to imagine that 😄
Bought some suits and weapons...

but also it looks like just the new minted stuff isn't tradable anymore, so you can still trade them.
Only question is if they will have any demand.

[spring breach]

Okay, so previous NFT items are still tradable, thats a good thing. So you could still sell an NFT weapon, but if you can get cheaper a non-nft with the exact utility, then the value of the NFT in itself is diluted

[thin elbow]

not all tho.
Check the last section of the screenshot above

those aren't tradable anymore

can also just check illuvidex to see what you can trade and what not

[spring breach]

So how will they accomplish that.. but you still need them? Im confused.. have not been very active last months, was very deep into everything prior to new-years.. but now it is all very blury. should prob read the blog post

[thin elbow]

yea, you still need the shards if you want to go hunt in the overworld.
Just have to farm all by yourself to craft stuff.

@spring breach
The blogs in those 2 announcements should bring you up to date. There's a lot to read tho 😄
And yea, some stuff is a little blurry, i guess mostly because the new 2 mmo leads just started a couple weeks back and they probably still in the very first design phase where they see how to set up which collections.

#📣〕announcements message

#📣〕announcements message

also maybe rewatch the latest "going hyper podcast" which had steven as a guest.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSBQ6UHjGys

[spring breach]

Thanks 😄 i will do some digging, im just very non-inclined to put money/time if these large changes keeps coming, you do smart stuff, then are punished for it almost

[thin elbow]

yea, i feel you mate

[mystic vigil]

if shard no longer be nft's why pay energy for them ?

[thin elbow]

https://tenor.com/view/dont-know-idk-dunno-no-idea-no-clue-gif-22858277

[night heron]

I need a Quinx Mozart blueprint 👀 🥹

[vocal yoke]

any1?

[thin elbow]

Burning fuel gets you a share of the revenue Made in the cycle you burned fuel.
You can't Transfer fuel to your Ranger anymore

[vocal yoke]

ok, and how will the revenue be distributed?

and where to see how much the share is

[thin elbow]

I guess someone is pushing some Buttons until it is automated 🙃

[thin elbow]

#🎮〕illuvium-zero message

[vocal yoke]

classic

ty!

[ashen laurel]

Friend, I think the same as you, they should clarify this issue, the ideal would be to give the fuel based on what you have spent on buying it previously.

[mystic vigil]

is this the revenue distribution address https://immutascan.io/address/0x9989818ae063f715a857925e419ba4b65b793d99 ?

?

[vast spear]

Look at the last link: #💰〕token message

[mystic vigil]

thank you I was close 😄

[ashen laurel]

Let's suppose, if I had 100 dollars bought in fuel, and now I have the equivalent of 10 dollars, the best thing would be to return the remaining 90 to you in fuel at the current price. I think that would be the right idea.

[vast spear]

I think the link you posted was about:
The IMX wallet with the IlluviDex trading fees and sales revenue.

[simple mason]

Hey, still can't access illuvidex via mobile??

[plain zodiac]

The fuel price will always be fixed, $5 for 500 fuel ??

[vast spear]

Yes it's fix to $0.01 per Fuel

Mistake in the price should not it be $0.01 instead of 0.01$ ? The $ is not in the proper place...

[plain zodiac]

this means we will no longer do fusion with tier 4, 5 😅 ..

[vast spear]

Apparently, fusion cost is pretty high yeah

[night heron]

At least every assets’ price will go higher

🥳

[barren field]

they should fix it

is too much inconvenient than autoruns

[vast spear]

Time vs $, it's in fact

[barren field]

idk

[rain moss]

ranked points will be reset on 3rd?

[crude vortex]

Yep, should be

[near pier]

Gm

[languid silo]

Feel bad for Rich not being able to qualify for this

[arctic wave]

Where can i see this whole details please?

[thin elbow]

https://illuvium.io/news/illuvium-rewards-are-back-rangers

[arctic wave]

Spoon my dear🫶

[mystic vigil]

OW bounty also starts on 3rd?

[languid silo]

Yes ser

Everything starts April 3

[arctic wave]

In the game Leviathan, is it possible for us to compete with those who are already good at Leviathan? or is your rank still the basis for searching for opponents?

[thin elbow]

Rank is the Basis.
However,since the playerbase is currently low, it is likely you get matched up with top players

[arctic wave]

Okay ill just avoid paz in that case🥲

[near pier]

You spelled rich wrong

[limpid matrix]

200 ilv divided by top 100 right? so rank 100 probably gets 1 liv 🤧🤧

[thin elbow]

I believe there are Way more dangerous people out there... But ya, paz definetly an opponent to be afraid of 😄

[arctic wave]

https://tenor.com/view/post-malone-hype-excite-lets-go-excitement-gif-21872605

Paz is hype ryt now

[arctic wave]

Hes kindaa like he knows how to counter and stab you at the back easily😆

[near pier]

You leaving out my name on purpose?

[languid silo]

“The Pro has entered the chat”

[hoary mist]

https://tenor.com/view/yeah-fuck-yeah-gif-9335306

[thin elbow]

Who?

[timid willow]

Any news about compensations? Me and my clan members submit tickets 2 days ago and no response... And canot play or use autodron, as "moderators" (Rich and someone) said here.

Blog with more compensation details still not online 😦 As promissed...

[thin elbow]

@near pier when refund blog?

[near pier]

Yeah apparently there is some discourse about the refund policy still

[timid willow]

Hmmm, promissed and written refund system.... and still dont know exact rules? Interesting... 😦

[near pier]

They were done and decided on I think there was a misunderstanding

[humble trail]

Nice

[timid willow]

And any idead when rufend starts? Only our clan have more than 5 tickets....

[thin elbow]

<@&814435151307866142>

[ionic sun]

I just send my fuel to passport

and disappeared

[mystic vigil]

i thought that my fuel dissapeard too but I was logged in by wallet, make sure you are logged by passport

[carmine hazel]

Finally OW is back!! 🥹
Illuvials now apear on map from start?

[mystic vigil]

yes ask how much is tier5 stage3 fussion 😄

[vast spear]

I will do a sheet for that next time I log in

[ionic sun]

My question is, where did i just sent my fuel?

[lone spoke]

indeed... and you can see Illivials stats, also in the "capture sequence" 🔥

[lone spoke]

How did you send your Fuel... did you send "Fuel" from your Land. like Crypton, etc. ?
If that is the case you might not have updated the game. (it should no longer be possible to send Fuel from ILZ, only to Burn it).

[ionic sun]

Yes right now is possible

[lone spoke]

it should not be, if you have updated the game client. 🥺

#📣〕announcements message
make sure you have the latest version, from 2 days ago

[ionic sun]

I didint update

Are you telling me that i have lost all fuel i sent today?

[lone spoke]

sucks.. that it's still possible to use old client and send fuel 😦
might try to contact support if you send a lot of fuel.

[ionic sun]

I Will contact

[lone spoke]

all fuel is now converted into one Unified Fuel. (there is an announcement with all the information too). It's a fairly big change , so recommend having a look and ask question in ILZ chat. 🙂

[carmine hazel]

So what are fuel used for now? Travel and fusions only?

[gusty hull]

illuvitar d1sks, store cosmetics, etc

[lapis thorn]

Is there a response to the "Illuvial burning theories" from some core people already?
regarding the scoriox video with tarren and sam.

I consider scoriox and tarren as core members.
but I don't know.
there were some strange massages coming out of tsg, wich I will not discuss in in open chat!

[snow ember]

ignore tsg. He's a troll man

[lapis thorn]

i dont know, but he hnows insights.

[snow ember]

He thinks he does

[lapis thorn]

does he not? idk to be honest

[snow ember]

You'll have to ask yourself that. There are good reasons why he no longer works for the team

[lapis thorn]

didn't know that he does not work for the team anymore

[lapis thorn]

but, why would they put him in a video to represent ilv?

[lapis thorn]

A lot of questions wich i don't will discuss here

I would like the video to delete, to be honest.
i still love the game and the artwork!

I still have my lands, and i'll never sell them😎😎 trust me!

but the puplic work has to get better, otherwise we'll go down the drain all together 👋🌲💐

[dense grove]

Tarren has been doing Illuvium videos for years, back when he was TSG he and Scoriox did videos together. He was a community member first and then became a team member. The team or DAO is not putting him in these videos. He is making them as a community member. Scoriox should be viewed as making them as a community member too really, yes, he is on council but he was doing them long before he was elected. Don't view their videos as "This is what the team from Illuvium says". They are friends who have been in Illuvium a long time together and like making videos for the community.

I do think it maybe can be confusing for people who don't know all of this, but Tarren repeated many times that he doesn't have inside info and he is not with the team, just a community member. Sam is just a community member. I think no one would have thought much of the video if everything hadn't just happened with fuel.

[thin elbow]

Didn't watch that Video.
But as a council member you have to be aware of what you talking in public. People take words as facts since you are also the individuals voting on Stuff.
Especially since ep-1 dropped, and people realizing that Stuff Like that can just happen over Night.

[dense grove]

And that is fair too.
People should let Scoriox know that feedback if they feel that way.

[lapis thorn]

thank you for this information!
As you sad, it is confusing as they represent themselves. I don't follow everything whats going on anymore, but after every game changing update I come back,because I still believe in that project!

[thin elbow]

It's obvious people do, just a question of how many people and how Big of a controversy it can get

Probably not the best combination, sitting on council and trying to Farm Engagement in social media

[dense grove]

Scoriox himself didn't say that Illuvials should be burned. But he could have made it clearer I guess that it wasn't something that was being planned.

Yeah, it's a tough one with that. In some ways having a council member doing content is good as when he does videos that are information based it can be a way to reach people. On the other hand when it is just a discussion, throwing stuff out there people tend to think maybe it is still information based.

[lapis thorn]

such a discussion may have a massive impact on such a small base!!

[thin elbow]

Pure informational Videos could be a Big win indeed, but thats not what has happened in the past in that series... AT least not when i watched it a couple Times in the beginning

[lapis thorn]

you can't start nothing, communicating like this.
and if you are in the council or you are a pool boy at illuvium. you have to be aware what you are talking about if you like this project

[dense grove]

Considering how many people did take it as something that had a definite possibility of occurring obviously it did. Hope Scoriox is aware of it and cautious of it in the future. As Dr Spoon rightfully points out, being on council means you have to be aware of how people will view what you say.

I just wanted to point out to you that it is nothing to worry about. Paz was on last night reassuring people as was Stuart from the team, both said our Illuvials will not be burned.

[thin elbow]

"not yet"

Just joking

... Am i?

[dense grove]

https://tenor.com/view/daddys-home2-daddys-home2gifs-stop-it-stop-that-i-mean-it-gif-9694318

I've said heads will roll if they try to take Steve and I mean it.

[thin elbow]

They don't have to take it away to Make it worth less...

As kieran stated

[dense grove]

https://tenor.com/view/the-office-michael-scott-steve-carell-you-are-a-thief-of-joy-thief-gif-4331360

[thin elbow]

Guess i'm out for now

Rewards are back 🎉

Lezzgo

Cya

[dense grove]

We are all walking on eggshells I think.
I am not even going to make all my skins now.

[lapis thorn]

I know that one.
This is why i'm waiting..........

[thin elbow]

I guess most are waiting...
Looks Like they want a fresh clean restart of the Games, and there are ways to achieve that one Part they accomplished with exposing all who stacked up fuel as exploiters and with the Sweets conversion rate... Now just illuvials are a small Problem... Better said high stat illuvials...
We shall see what happens

[sacred flax]

where do we go for the Zero refund?

[lapis thorn]

you can always "restart"
but in our space is nothing more important than a core community. but if you rip them of 2 times in a row, how should that work out?

[dense grove]

Yeah, I don't think I will get over the perfect stat Illuvial thing tbh.

[dense grove]

The information on that isn't available yet, keep checking Announcements. Hopefully soon.

[dense grove]

Loyal customers are important for sure.

Or I guess as we say here "community"

[sacred flax]

Thank you, as I was one that played thousands of hours and EXPLOITED the fuel issue as it seemed like a good play for the future of the game to stack up on. HA.....HA.....

[lapis thorn]

now we make commercials for automatic drone runs, with all this plans in the background!?
explain that to me please?

[languid silo]

https://tenor.com/view/hellmo-elmo-burn-gauntlet-atlas-gauntlet-gif-23871877

[rain moss]

👀

[languid silo]

👀

[rain moss]

rdy to get rekt?

[languid silo]

always

[rain moss]

i got new comp

im unbeatable

[languid silo]

first time trying out?

[rain moss]

just lost now oe

[languid silo]

lol

get rekt

[rain moss]

2nd time trying out xD

[languid silo]

good

are you in que?

[rain moss]

yes

[languid silo]

Good luck ser

[rain moss]

u2

[languid silo]

If i win,everyone will know.

If i lose,everything above gets deleted

[rain moss]

🤔

ill go with oposite

if i lose everyone will know

[languid silo]

and if you win?

here we go

[rain moss]

nowone will know

dont hack me now bro

[languid silo]

did you get to reconnect?

[rain moss]

ye

got in and couldnt pick

so i restated

[languid silo]

you are greyed out ingame

[rain moss]

connecting now

cant get in

[languid silo]

looks like you are in now?

[rain moss]

cant get in or out

will try delete saved folder

[languid silo]

any error msg when it happend?

[rain moss]

no

cant do shit

cant surend or reconnect

cant start new game

must 8 till ur game finishes

[timid willow]

Nice. If I understood good:

First step: destroy zero.
Second step: you stole all of our Fuel
Third step: stole all illuvials And items...

Perfect! Extractors, which sell all, have Money And laught. Playerem, which build team, play and invest - The team will laugh at them and rob them of everything. Sound as good business plan!

And yes,players, which play very active and burn 20-50K fuel daily... yes, let's call them exploiters. let's pit sections of communities against each other. divide and rule. I was daily in top10 in OW. I was in top10 in season 2. And now Lost 1,5M of Fuel... Prepared fór 3-weeks play. Now I will lost illuvials ... And 10000 of my deposited USD was stolen before game really to start.

Lasts statements from the mods and admins lately sounds like: we'll cash you all out quickly and then we can turn it off. Really motivating.

[chilly chasm]

Do we have an update of when the casio watches will be shipped?

or a current estimate?

[timid willow]

Soon? 🙂

[thin elbow]

what do you mean with statement of mods?
In case you aren't aware... mods have the just public info, basically the same information as you have.

[red geyser]

Regarding FUEL refund. https://illuvium.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/requests/new?ticket_form_id=12288744548111

[thin elbow]

you know how exactly that works?
Is there a way one get the $ amount he would get with a refund (like a list with the transactions etc) and can then decide if he wants really a refund or not?

[timid willow]

No, briefings? No instructions? Interesting...

May be statement isnt best translate from my language to EN... but words in lasts days (include you messages, "blogs", annoucements, unpaid many rewards from Beyong, ignoring the notified refund. ... etc...") ... How to write it and not get banned?

And normal player cannot read all of threads... Player never have same info as mod, who is paid to be on Discord 8 hours a day.

[timid willow]

Timeline of refunds?
2 day I have no answers... Same all our clan members.

4.1. start new season? And if we would like to have refund - we are not allowed to play!

[red geyser]

My reading of things is that those that paid for fuel using ETH when the fuel was below the identified threshold will get their eth returned. It’s just sitting there.

[red geyser]

Sorry I’m getting back from overseas and don’t have that info. Your support thread is the best way to get info. And if there’s no info to get yet then support won’t be sending you any information.

[thin elbow]

ya, but i don't know anymore what my average buy price was.
is there no way to get some numbers before actually executing?

[timid willow]

Same Support, which hasn't sent any information about unpaid rewards from Beyond for weeks... except for "may be soon" ?

[red geyser]

I was thinking about that myself. Without the fuel exchange analytics there’s not a great way to get the info I’d want. I could look at immutascan and see how much eth I sent to the fuel revenue wallet.

But that’s pretty limited info. And immutascan is annoying for lots of tx digging.

[thin elbow]

yea and the fuel you bought above current price doesn't get refunded, and you can't figure that really out how much that was

[timid willow]

After 2-5 months you can check yours fuel tradex on immutascan? Maybe if you're not actively playing...
For example my wallet:

[red geyser]

While I assume this is a hypothetical question intended to take a dig at the illuvium support team, the fact is that the support team will receive tickets and bring them to the attention of the proper devs. The support team rarely takes much action to fix these things directly. These sound likely to be two different dev teams.

[red geyser]

No not that

Basically figure out how much eth you transferred to this address after a certain date https://immutascan.io/address/0x2208850ea5569617d5350f8cf681031102c1d931?tab=2

At least that’s what I would do to get a basic idea. I don’t know what date that would be unfortunately

[timid willow]

I understand that I'm probably annoying... but I represent the opinion of a clan of about 30 members who played ILV very actively and prepared for Leviathan...
A new season has been announced. Instead of discussing tactics and how to play, we:
about 10-15 can't play at all because they are waiting for their ticket refund to be processed.
About 10 members have already made it quite clear that this is a stupid scam and we should all say goodbye to our money and NFTs.

I'm trying to do something else and give the game a chance. But it's hard when you get an answer to all the unpaid money from rewards - arena tournaments, beyong, etc.. "open a ticket"... and then no one answers the ticket for weeks...

[narrow vigil]

DMs are scams

Mods and Team members will never DM you.
Never trust advice or links received in DMs.

Beta access, giveaways, and promotions are not given out via DM. Scams are designed to trick you into installing malicious software to gain access to your wallet or to convince you to enter your seed phrase into a website. Never give your private key (12 to 24-word seed phrase) to anyone.

Support is not provided via DMs

Support is handled publicly, or in threads within the Illuvium Discord. People offering support via DM are scammers.

Please follow the instructions pinned in #report-scammers to report bad actors so we can remove them from the server.

[timid willow]

Hmm... exactly... which date? I buy fuel every day. I burn fuel every day. At the end I have 3/4-weeks fuel supply... cca 1,6M of fuels... estimated at 2-3 thousand USD? (little more than 1 ETH?)

[plain apex]

I'd expect it will take alot longer than expected, refunding stuff like this isnt easy. You explain some of the complications just then. Catch me some more atlas please mate ❤️

[timid willow]

Cannot catch any Atlas before refund 😭 And my spacialization is 6x50 Holo fusions :)))

[plain apex]

Aw ok, well fingers crossed they can streamline and get it sorted quickly. Its the sort of bulk transaction you dont want to do wrong. But I have a feeling it wont be a quick transaction to achieve I really hope I am wrong though!

[night heron]

Wow! He is better than the previous one I have 😄

TPI 96

[red geyser]

You could create a new account and transfer whatever NFTs you want to use to that new account. While you won’t have any of the fuel you previously had you would be able to play. While the refund is processed.

[arctic wave]

And perfect ador will brag you $3 🤣

[velvet bolt]

ohh? more atlases..? u really on that till now huh? ahahaha

[night heron]

Never! He is worth more than 28$ 😎

[timid willow]

I can transfer my consumables to OW battles? Shards... Ores? etc... And 300 Illuvialls to Arena Leviathan? This is really valid advice... 😭

The system was shutted down how long? One months... ? All this time the use of fuel was blocked. MANY TIMES for prepare changes or do it in advance. And now it seems as if the team suddenly discovered that the "certainly long and carefully planned fuel changes" and the "new season" and reward system... are actually not ready and players can't play?

Sorry, **but the exact rules of compensation are not yet known. **Additional info on the blog promised in the annoucements. Every day the answer is only "tomorrow" or "soon".

And then comes the advice to "create a new account." ... and since the seasons of Arena, OW, Leviathan, Beyond... or other events they don't have the same terms... so what? Will be my "stats and position in leaderbords" transferred between accounts when I want to unify them? Ores? Comsumables... OMG 😦

[arctic wave]

And he will brag this $1 🤣

[ebon wren]

ranked 5/8 anyone coming?

[hoary mist]

Live now.

[ebon wren]

I have lost the track of tournaments

every week every tournament changing. game changing.

I dont know how new players will do

I left dota and came but good thing with dota was it was changing little by little you would catch up even after not playing 6 months

[hoary mist]

this is a lb event..just play ranked..we will keep track of the points.

[limpid matrix]

200 ilv divided by top 100 right? so rank 100 probably gets 1 liv 🤧🤧

[vast spear]

__New day new metrics! __
Note that this report only show fuels purchases in ETH, SILV2 and USDC.
• We can easly drill on each wallet or day.
• Most sale are coming from Tier 5 with 20 transactions = 72% of total Fuel sale

[split lintel]

Just wait til you check how many outstanding fuel crate NFTs exist 😛

[vast spear]

What does this mean ?

[split lintel]

Your calc is finding ETH/USDC sent to a specific address right? To calc fuel

What about fuel crate burns

Remember the airdropped crates

[plain apex]

Always mate!!! Hope you are well bro ❤️

[vast spear]

No the data are the purchase of the Unified Fuel only in ETH, SILV2 and USDC... missing a lot of other paiment method.

I can't find the fuel create

[thin elbow]

How many are there?

[sonic dagger]

about 60%

[thin elbow]

Amount of crates or amount of fuel?

And how many are on dead Accounts?

[sonic dagger]

about 60% of the 1m

And we still have the 2nd fuel crate

haha

[thin elbow]

Fuel out of crates or crates?

[sonic dagger]

$600k

[thin elbow]

I mean if 60% isn't redeemed yet i would say thats positive

[vapid citrus]

If illuvium starts popping off then I'm pretty sure some of the dead accounts will wake up

[sonic dagger]

how is that positive

[thin elbow]

Who knows

[sonic dagger]

Before the fuel change people redeem fuel crate at top rail