💬〕general

[severe pumice]

cheeeers

[thin elbow]

Holo effect really fits to this cutie

Wasn't a big fan of the Looks of holos tbh...
But this one is dope

[daring jay]

yeah it's not working super well on every single of them, but it's ok for now
we can re-visit them after

[thin elbow]

You for sure don't have to re-visit him, can't imagine it would get any better

[hearty jacinth]

good evening guys

[light tree]

Did the deadline pass to mint the skins from beta?

[sage falcon]

Affirmative

[storm rain]

NO

[normal python]

That pfp man 😅

[near pier]

Back to Caroline

[storm rain]

mayb

i miss capache too

[normal python]

Everytime I seen her I'm reminded of this lass. Same vibe 😬

[storm rain]

i only think in the pretty 2 billions she have on the chest

[obtuse patrol]

Bro... Kieran is a literal embarrasment. The game was actually never limited to 20k players on ILV Zero right? Does he know anything about the project he's developing? Who let Kieran speak again, and why did you let him. The T0 lands were unlimited and free.

[storm rain]

bc its only 20k minted now

[obtuse patrol]

It was never limited... unless people didn't want it. Sure there's only 20k t1-t4, but that has nothing to do with anything. It didn't limit the players

[daring jay]

GG

[daring jay]

there is 0 use case right now for those free plots in IZ
guys are trying to change it

[normal python]

Best looking holo so far 🔥

[obtuse patrol]

I see, now... that is an entirely separate statement than what Kieran made. Which solidifies my point.

[idle fjord]

when iOS version?

[vast spear]

Komodo Dragon line is looking nice specialy with some holo effect!

[candid mauve]

How’s the project going guys? Haven’t checked in in a while? Is the overworked for illuvials roaming free yet?

[lyric pumice]

No they’re shooting to have them in by open beta though I think in a few months

[young bone]

What statement?

[minor mica]

In one of his earlier interviews he said “for the loop play to work F2P players would have to play IZ to get fuel to play t0 in OW and then the auto battler to catch the illuviuals”

So the F2P plots are need if that’s the case

[daring jay]

can you link me?

[livid marten]

That sounds tedious and awful. Overworld ain’t perfect yet however I at wouldn’t mind roaming it for resources unlike being forced to play another game to get resources to play a game so i can capture creatures to use in another game. Good lord that does sound like a chore.

[teal marten]

Gm
Lovely holo!

[untold knoll]

where i can see my last matches?

[tender kraken]

There are a few things that confuse me here, but maybe I’ve missed some Zero news.

I thought T0 runs are free, I.e. you don’t need to buy fuel, so why would anybody need to play Zero to do a T0 run?

Also FinalDawns rant about Kieran is confusing. As it stands currently there are 20k plots of land and you need to own a plot of land to play Zero. So there IS a max cap of 20k players atm.

Maybe I’ve missed some changes.

[minor mica]

I will look it up

[sweet wing]

There are supposed to be F2P land plots for ILZ, but the team has some hesitation recently because it's not very compelling without a clear objective

[sweet wing]

#🎮〕illuvium-zero message

[minor mica]

They still would be free since playing IZ F2P land is free but I will post the interview when I find it. This was one of the older ones when he talked about the loop play.

[tender kraken]

Right. At the moment there are no f2p plots that you can access without owning at least a t1 plot.
This is what I thought.

[sweet wing]

oh yeah, not in alpha

no f2p for alpha unless you also own

[tender kraken]

Forcing people to play Zero just so they can try out tier zero Overworld seems foolish and unnecessary.

An openworld game tutorial that tells you to go play a base builder mini game first before you can have fun is going to be a big turnoff.

[sweet wing]

Agreed. I don't think this was really said, but we'll see if he comes up with a video. Hopefully a misunderstanding.

[obtuse patrol]

he said soon the mobile game will no longer be limited to 20k players (as if it ever was) and like it was something to celebrate

[livid marten]

Unless they make a real game like clash of clans, fortress defense, c&c etc f2p is meaningless. It’s just a pointless time sink to develop a useless plot of land

[thin elbow]

It is right now. Actually less, since there are wallets with multiple Lands

[obtuse patrol]

You are kidding right? The t0 lands are unlimited and free

[sweet wing]

#🎮〕illuvium-zero message

[thin elbow]

Not yet

[minor mica]

The illuvium youtube shows a bunch of cut up clips and not all of them. There was a time he did an interview like every 2-4 weeks before they chilled but I do agree with you with make people play zero may not be the best idea. But no body remember when he was talking about the loop play and how important it is

[sweet wing]

I remember it, just believe it was always the on-chain loop he was referring to, not f2p

At least the times I heard him talking about this

[obtuse patrol]

Gotcha so this is just another one of those things where they said something 2 years ago and it just wasn't true lmao... I see

Good to know f2p lands are finally going to happen I guess, still don't see a reason for excitment tho

[lusty citrus]

https://tenor.com/view/yanatwt-gif-22814884

all of right now until they reveal what is planned completely

[lusty citrus]

that is the dopest holo yet IMHO 🔥 🔥 🔥

[minor mica]

Yeah he probably was just talking about on-chain

[molten inlet]

Which day does the leaderboard pay?

[misty musk]

@daring jay hi bro are u there?

[sage falcon]

Guys your not going to believe it. The frost ❄️ meta is still going strong...

[near pier]

Will usually be before the next snapshot

[sage falcon]

Whens open beta q2 or q3

[lusty citrus]

Chiefs or Niners who u got?

[lyric surge]

Niners

[lusty citrus]

Brock Purdy from my hood

But I’m a Cardinals fan it’s hard to root for niners

But I kinda want to see Taylor Swift cryin

[near pier]

Tough decision because I really dislike San Fran… but I don’t want chiefs to win again and they probably will.

[near pier]

Planned for Q2

[scenic cedar]

is downloading the game from epic store safe?

[dark flame]

yes

that’s the only way too

[near pier]

Yup the only way to download it currently

[slim wind]

Have you fixed the endless search for an opponent?

[red geyser]

I don’t think so

[young bone]

I think this is a misunderstanding.

[red geyser]

No one must play IZ to be able to get their hands on fuel to play overworld.

[sonic dagger]

why do we need to airdrop T0 plot

u dnt need a plot to play F2P afaik

[lusty citrus]

Possibly they may randomly drop fuel to the top players of f2p ILV-0 ?

Get them some dopamine of catching paid illuvials

[short steeple]

Lost a ranked match and lost 400 points

Jesus

[sonic dagger]

i wonder how that work because of the way fuel is generated (19:1)

[sonic dagger]

huge difference of elo?

[short steeple]

I was 1387, other player was 1200ish

[sonic dagger]

oof

[short steeple]

They got +7 for win and i got -400

Havent played ranked in months so idk if that has anything to do with it

[obtuse patrol]

Yall know what's absolutely hilarious btw?

Palworld proved that Illuvium (with a SLIGHTLY different tweak, would have been amazingly successful potentially)...

Mavia proves that ILV Zero could have been something really impressive...if tweaked slightly...

I'm kinda feeling like Illuvium so far is bad at listening to the community (even though we basically said both of those should happen and it was what Illuvium was SUPPOSED to be). So now I'm feeling like not only did Illuvium ignore their investors and community for 3 years while lying to us, BUT... now those ideas have proven to be a wild success and now it seems like Illuvium has a track record of not delivering.

Does anyone think Illuvium is going to compete on either front or is it just me with this perspective?

[sonic dagger]

sorry that happened to u

its not a slight tweak

ok lets go easy on the "lying" part u dnt wanna get banned

[obtuse patrol]

Which one? Mavia is what the community basically wanted ILV Zero to be.

[obtuse patrol]

That's fair... I shouldn't say things that could be so controversial.

[sonic dagger]

mavia is developed for 2 years

[obtuse patrol]

So Illuvium actually has more time... then they do? LOL

[lusty citrus]

Yes possibly a version of sIlV for them to use in game from the treasury. Needs to be sustainable long term for sure and I’m sure council would have to agree

[short steeple]

We wanted a knock off clash of clans?

[sonic dagger]

mavia, whole studio (skrice) worked on it

[obtuse patrol]

It's a good idea, we wanted a better version. We didn't want some idle builder game with no fun elements/no competition/etc.

[sonic dagger]

IZ is a small team

[short steeple]

Just asking, what else did i want?

[lusty citrus]

The first 4 or 5 matches every week are very volatile in both directions. Feels bad to start a week with losing tons of points

[red geyser]

Does not make sense to me either.

[obtuse patrol]

I say we obviously not in the absolute sense, but sure... be difficult lol. I was simply asking if anyone also felt the way I seem to be right now

[sonic dagger]

ICC havent heard anything about it

[covert violet]

I'll judge Illuvium when we get the full release. Right now we aren't producing anything or capturing real illuvials. Plus i like the atmosphere of ILZ better than Mavia.

[obtuse patrol]

Idk, Illuvium as a studio focused WAY hard on the look of things, without the "game" part of things being the main objective to improve and build. I really don't understand considering it's gameplay that matters, and fun... not if something is super pretty.

[sonic dagger]

IZ map is not designed for raiding, we dont have walls and defensive structures

need a major overhaul to do mavia

[covert violet]

raiding was an option but i don't think in the near future

[sonic dagger]

and u need combat units too

[lusty citrus]

Yup is why I’m wondering how Kieran is talking airdrop with no council input

[sonic dagger]

idk maybe IMC

[lusty citrus]

Probs

[obtuse patrol]

Very true. It's far too late to push mavia's lane. I'm saying both things are very close to what Illuvium COULD have been/done. It's far far too late now. We can't all of a sudden take a turn, they'll run out of money before they release anything if they did that.

[red geyser]

Classic K

[obtuse patrol]

Kieran has always been a problem though... although we have some community members that love him somehow. (I say we... idk why I say we, I'm really not part of this community anymore lol)

I'm not even surprised he's spouting weird stuff.

[covert violet]

they just need to go live with the ecosystem, generate some revenue, and develop more of their current games

[sonic dagger]

yes, maybe after OB and a new fund raise

[obtuse patrol]

lmao, ain't no way in hell Illuvium can raise money now. Please god tell me they can't. They've burned how much and have little - zero to show for it. (Actual functioning in the marketplace games I mean)

[sonic dagger]

imo he's trying to hype things up. its his job.
those who are here long enough are more chill

[obtuse patrol]

I meannnnnnnnnn, he's always pushed that bar way past what's ethically reasonable though, for sure.

[sonic dagger]

ethics in web3?
i just want this token to go to the moon lol

ill support anything that pump token

[lusty citrus]

Kieran has been super generous in the past with doing giveaways in discord and contests. His hype is not manufactured. He truly means what he says for better or worse.

[obtuse patrol]

Dude, I swear to you... it's better to just say fuck it and throw your money into something else. I honestly HONESTLY don't ever think this is going above 200$ I don't see how it would.

[hazy thorn]

I’m sure Kieran has a plan. He wouldn’t just go on saying stuff like that if he didn’t have a plan.

[covert violet]

yeah why don't you do that?

[sonic dagger]

on his tweet, he is talking to VCs.
ive been saying for awhile that we need another raise. and we need to pump DAU to do that

[obtuse patrol]

Bro WHY... I don't get it. At this point it's just sunken cost fallacy that makes people put more money in.

[covert violet]

i don't think they'll get many investors unless they can demonstrate the ecosystem is viable.

[sonic dagger]

so be it, im staked for another 200 days and im not leaving ever.

[hazy thorn]

We don’t know what overworld looks like now. Apparently they’ve been working on it for months. Longer than we thought.

[obtuse patrol]

I mean that's fine obviously... but why? Why this over any other game

[sonic dagger]

i invest in mavia and pixelmon too

[obtuse patrol]

Now see THOSE were good calls, definitely. I don't know why pixelmon hit so hard though... I really didn't like it when I looked at it

[sonic dagger]

ILV is always going to be a special place for me, the vision is good, ILV has the best quality. Just need much more funding

[lusty citrus]

We have literally seen few visual leaks of ILV zero in months. We have seen they are working on it in dev update and roadmaps. It seems weird they’d be hyping ILV zero because the community has been in the dark for a while

[hazy thorn]

If Overworld makes those changes they’ve promised, I don’t see how it can’t be successful? I would play every single minute that I could.

[obtuse patrol]

What changes?

[sonic dagger]

Just need to pump DAU ser

[near pier]

Its funny you say, have little and zero to show for it

Go look at some other games

[sonic dagger]

pixelmon closest to palworld, the monsters are cute

[hazy thorn]

Hey Rich. The bosses aren’t around. Leak some Overworld😉

[sonic dagger]

yea rich wen leak

guys its sunday, lets chill a bit i just woke up and my brain is cloudy

[near pier]

Literally, spoke to a team member today about another web3 game, and how easy it is to get similar assets for something that some of these web3 games games are making. All of our stuff is super unique and you can tell with the time that went into it. Now pick another web3 game in testing right now and tell me they can say that?

Its not just something you can use of off the unreal editor and change a little.

[left briar]

just look at the rocks

[hazy thorn]

Illuvium assets and IP are top notch in web3. No arguments on that.

[sonic dagger]

the sunslight is perfectly reflected on the rocks

the grass moves when your feet touches them

[hazy thorn]

But when leak?🥴

[near pier]

Would you rather it look like minecraft

[sonic dagger]

i dont play minecraft im mid 30s ser

[near pier]

I have a child

and I'm sure youve seen it

[sonic dagger]

i havent

where??

[near pier]

https://tenor.com/view/steve-minecraft-mining-minecraft-saidkkl-minecraft-gif-13168357855805716718

thats mine craft

[sonic dagger]

u dnt tell me nothing anymore rich

rich changed, jag sad

[near pier]

you dont write or call

[sonic dagger]

u were busy

[obtuse patrol]

Now that's a very good point actually. However, it doesn't matter HOW good something looks, it's absolutely irrelevant if people can see the amount of effort that went into something, they don't actually care. They just want a fun game, and/or to make money in web3. That's it.

[old folio]

yes?

[sonic dagger]

yes

i have no problem cloning a game

i just want to play my favourite game and earn money

im simple that way

[obtuse patrol]

100%. Nobody ever cared that Illuvium was going to be super pretty, everyone with any sense has always said, gameplay comes first. It's gameplay that matters. If Illuvium is fun, it'll get players, if not... then it depends on the money to be made (which we already know due to changes is next to nothing). So... it HAS to be a good very fun game, in order to bring in the population to make money. We'll see if it does well.

It's not pokemon, or remotely close. It's an auto battler and a card opener/resource collector, a single player game as well. It's super niche. The monsters being in the overworld may really help add fun tho (which I do wanna take a jab and say, the community also wanted that from the very beginning)

[sonic dagger]

i agree with the things u said, im always honest about my opinion like that.
im just glad the team are pivoting

[obtuse patrol]

I have noticed if anything you have always been honest about your opinions, it's the odd balls that decide to ignore everything wrong or dare question that make me worry about the community's state lol

[sonic dagger]

thats fine too, some people just enjoy riding the ride and trusting the team, everything gonna be all right thing.
but there are part of the community that is actively pushing things to improve the project that we all love

and i appreciate u @obtuse patrol dont ever give up

[daring jay]

this 'graphics don't matter' argument pisses me of so much. Sure I'm biased as I'm in the art team, but why you don't play games in excel then? They all start there.

In our case though, I think all of you forgot the amount of scams and rugs thats been around when we started. We had to fight all of this and will continue to fight.

Gameplay is super important, in some cases even more than graphics, but not to a degree 'graphics don't matter'

[lament trail]

Don’t waste all ur resources Trynna get red dead redemption 2 style graphics

[hazy thorn]

Apologies Dmitriy. I know the team puts a lot of work to get things the way they are. Really looking forward to the launch brother.

[sonic dagger]

i joined ILV because of the trailer tbh

ILV strongest suit is graphic, need a gameplay that matches it

[noble sand]

I joined because of the warwicks

Here since April 2021

[short steeple]

I think what would be sick is having 8 person matches like other autobattlers, make it do everyone picks their deck and those decks go into the common pool (x4 or something) so that we can play with some randomness

[sonic dagger]

round robin?

[daring jay]

here is another non matter thing, that you'll own

[young bone]

I absolutely do not ignore anything. Ive listened to and been present to nearly every town hall, showcase, twitter space, interview, in house and out, spoken to members, checked my understanding, ask questions.
I understood the vision, and believed in the plan. Used my brain to critically analyse it and made a decision, that I will support the direction taken.

[hazy thorn]

He looks crazy good

[young bone]

If we follow your logic, every game that comes out with high DAU and user uptake will be what Illuvium needs to be.

[inland turret]

Gm

[plain delta]

Some stuff early next week will go out. Then a couple weeks after that. Should be pretty neat. 🙂

[young bone]

Please explain what you mean by pivot.

[red geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/full-house-bob-saget-danny-tanner-eyebrow-raise-point-gif-13974198

[lyric pumice]

is this a reference to the airdrop? Im really hoping someone from the team can clarify what happens if we sold land to buy a higher tier before anything goes out

In other news my T2 offer was accepted today

[daring jay]

can we show it, but without the graphics please?

[sonic dagger]

DAU is all that matter

[hazy thorn]

We need a decoder for when Aaron mentions something

[tame umbra]

Hi. I have a question on ILV staking. A year ago I staked 0.24 ILV. Yet today I can only claim 0.1 ILV. Why can't I claim the full 0.24 ILV?

[red geyser]

Your pending rewards are not your deposit. Your deposit is in the VESTING tab and should be able to be withdrawn.

[red geyser]

Do not trust any DMs. If you have questions ask and expect answers in #🥩〕staking

Or contact #❓❓〕support on the website to have some privacy.

[young bone]

That really doesn't explain what you mean.

[red geyser]

⤵️⤵️⤵️

[narrow vigil]

Claiming Rewards

When you stake ILV in yield farming, rewards will start accumulating for you. However, you'll need to manually claim these rewards and pay for the GAS fees of these transactions.

You can choose to claim the rewards whenever the pile is big enough to justify the gas fees. If you claim sILV2, it will be unlocked right away and can be used in-game as a substitute currency for ETH outside the marketplace and the Leviathan Arena. If you claim ILV, that batch of ILV will be locked for 12 months and automatically staked in the ILV pool with a token weight of 2.0 for compounding effects. And the process starts over again with new rewards accumulating.

Please note that ILV paid out as part of Illuvium’s Revenue Distribution must also be claimed, but they are not subject to a locking period.

[tame umbra]

Thanks!

[sonic dagger]

im not

[gilded path]

https://tenor.com/view/why-not-grandpa-christopher-lloyd-tender-bar-its-possible-gif-24448923

[young bone]

Okay then keep saying stuff without clarification or any depth other than one line that says nothing.

[sonic dagger]

yes

[young bone]

I thought you would take your position more seriously.

[sonic dagger]

u have no idea

[split lintel]

It takes a lot to piss off Dmitriy 😞 yall must have really done it

[sonic dagger]

and nick too

[split lintel]

Hey Dim how long does it take to apply holo when u make new characters? Is it a built thing now that u can slap on anything in 5 mins (except render time)??

[young bone]

You're right, I don't, because you won't communicate.

[sonic dagger]

lol

sorry nda

[young bone]

You can't explain what you mean by pivot because of an NDA yet can say they are doing what they are doing because of mavia and palworld and that they only started doing that now?

Surely you can find a way to say why you think DAU right now.

Do you see a change when the game is out with its full loop?

[rigid reef]

https://tenor.com/view/well-gif-19125431

[sonic dagger]

team is cooking

[tame umbra]

can you claim multiple rewards at the same time, thus paying only one gas fee?

[young bone]

I know this. It's just what you say and suggest doesn't line up with the answers Kerian gave me. So I'm interested in how you get to where you are at?

[sonic dagger]

can u do this to aaron too, hes more cryptic than i am

maybe we can get some alpha

[young bone]

I tend to understand Aaron. I asked you to explain pivot. Because I don't see where the pivot is. You have stated it's obvious the 'pivot' is because of mavia and palworld.
Aaron hasn't said that.
I've also been told that's not true.

All I see ( perhaps I'm wrong ) is the team implementing what they have said and planned to do.

[sonic dagger]

ive explained what i can explain, i cant make u see it

[young bone]

Lol.

[tame umbra]

can you claim multiple rewards at the same time, thus paying only one gas fee?

[fading sentinel]

Graphics will draw people in, but no one is staying for graphics. Graphics will ALWAYS be second to how fun the game is.

[young bone]

Hey, have you tried asking in #🥩〕staking

[tame umbra]

ah...no. but will do so now. thanks

[daring jay]

I’m not denying that, and while we are still at the stage of getting people in it makes no sense to abandon that side of the project.

[daring jay]

It became relatively easy with the help of our tech geniuses! @pure tendon and @honest pewter helped me so much, I can’t even describe.

[lusty citrus]

Graphics keep me immersed in a game and art direction. Gfx and Gameplay go hand in hand. One without the other is half baked

[daring jay]

Exactly!

[obtuse patrol]

Teloooooolah why would you ever, like EVER, trust anything that brother says? He's got a track record of lying or being wrong, or not making sense... like easily up in the 75%+ range.

[young bone]

Agreed. We haven't seen the full game yet.

[young bone]

I look at the whole picture and all that is said/ delivered I have my reasons for trusting. Like you have yours for not.

[obtuse patrol]

There's... no reason to trust what Kieran says ever. You say you have your reasons for trusting him... could you list some? He's not responsible for any of the work being done, he's been wrong about the timeline 100% of the time, he's been told on multiple occasions to not say things, which he decided to say.

I'm not saying don't look at the whole picture, I'm saying actually do. Just because he can't be trusted at all doesn't mean the entirety of Illuvium is bad, just... obviously he is.

[obtuse patrol]

That's true we haven't seen the full game, full game could be cool (if/when it releases and functions completely)

[young bone]

I've always seen this project differently to you and the other guys. It was hard to stay in line with what I believe is going something amazing in the face of it. I have a feeling we are always going to be at odds with this one. Regardless you are one of my favourite people. Always will be.

[obtuse patrol]

It's not the project completely... I think the game could be good. I asked about Kieran, not Illuvium. Why trust ANYTHING he says? If you can't ensure the accuracy, or legitimacy, of what he says...

[young bone]

Because marketing is different to building. Things moved, yes.
I'm not denying that. I felt it was worth staying regardless of that.
If you want to change something do something about it.
Write an IP or something.

[lusty citrus]

Everyone is entitled to their own opinions. I personally think Kieran is doing the best he knows how. Is anyone perfect? nope. Can we learn from the past? Surely. Game dev is not an exact science especially when making a new game with a new studio and web 3

[obtuse patrol]

Marketing has ethical guidelines. Do you know there's a name for people selling lies right? Several. Either his ignorance, or willingness to say anything that comes to his mind regardless of legitimacy or accuracy, isn't behavior fitting for a "C" level anything.

[obtuse patrol]

That's fine, he can do his best, and it can not be good enough. That's okay.

I will say one thing he's very good about is getting people to spend money on Illuvium. (Which granted... IS his job)

[lusty citrus]

If you believe in ILV project long term getting people to invest is a very crucial talent

[young bone]

I don't believe it was lies, I believe it was scope creep. Which was really common in every project when this got off the ground.
Illuvium started at the change in a whole range of dynamics.
He has never shyied away from talking about it. Unlike other projects at the time.

[obtuse patrol]

Lying to do so is scummy.

[obtuse patrol]

That's just objectively not true and I can tell you why. He said the game was going to be out in a couple weeks when literally... the game hadn't even been remotely developed. You can't blame scope creep for that. It's literally not possible. There was NO game when he said there would be a game out in 2 weeks.

[young bone]

Other projects that came after just never show you the beginning. So you don't actually know what was different from what they planned.

[obtuse patrol]

That's irrelevant. That's just a defense they've used lol. Also, more people doing wrong things doesn't mean what he did wasn't wrong.

[lusty citrus]

What lies do you speak of? Game delays? That is par for the course in the gaming world. I guess every gaming studio is full of lies for delaying a game that is not ready following that logic

[astral stone]

ffs another one

[young bone]

Why do you keep bringing stuff up that happened years ago.
Things have moved on.

[obtuse patrol]

It's you all that are pretending it's okay or doesn't matter or that he's all of a sudden trust worthy...

[young bone]

I also listen to all of the past stuff and I believe people made conclusions where there wasn't anything concrete.

[obtuse patrol]

You're DEFENDING him lying to you and everyone else, blaming things like scope creep... or game delays.
He said the game was going to be out in a couple weeks (this was after a 3 month delay). Even thinking he was over exaggerating would not have led anyone to the conclusion that the game STILL hasn't released two full years later

[obtuse patrol]

He directly said the game would be out in a couple weeks... I'm not sure what concrete evidence you need

[young bone]

Even if I believed it what value does it bring at this point.

[astral stone]

just scrolled through your complaining about trust. in your opinion whats the fix? whats your preferred outcome here?

[obtuse patrol]

I think personally he should have stepped down years ago and put someone else in the position.

[astral stone]

or is it just a rant and you venting some emotion?

[astral stone]

got it

[obtuse patrol]

Oh at this point I don't care, it's that I mentioned he couldn't be trusted... and people defended his actions (tried to) with logic.

[astral stone]

so your proposal is to fire Kieran, find a quick replacement a couple of months before we launch?

[obtuse patrol]

No lol. Obviously not. I'm saying he should have been booted years ago. It's too late now, the damage is WAY done and over with. It is what it is.

The proposal now would be to get the game out and have him monitored and keep him on a leash.

[astral stone]

got it. so everything your saying is a should of, wish we had, but serves nothing for us moving forward?

[obtuse patrol]

I asked a very specific question that led to this because of an illegitimate defense of someone

[astral stone]

got it

[young bone]

Then do it.
The position he is in isn't an easy one. There are multiple competing demands.
I will continue to defend his position, and what he has brought to the project.

[obtuse patrol]

If anyone of you would have been like yeah absolutely, he shouldn't have done that. What now? Then I would have moved from that to, we just need the game out and it to be the best it can be. Stop focusing SO much on graphical design because it looks great. Make sure game mechanics and loops are there and fun on release because if it's not, there's going to be huge back lash considering it's been over promised and under delivered historically.

[rigid reef]

https://tenor.com/view/refresh-repeat-refresh-repeat-spin-gif-17769440

[young bone]

As a community we have already talked about the stuff you say, we had town halls and explanations.

[astral stone]

@obtuse patrol you do realize its darkest right before before the dawn/sunrise right?

we nearly there now:)) and just getting started

[young bone]

It's already happening, has been happening. 3 years isn't a long time.

[obtuse patrol]

Oh 100%, the game (if it's ever going to be released) will be soon.

[lusty citrus]

https://tenor.com/view/chris-farley-running-lets-do-this-excited-its-time-to-go-gif-15610590

I can wait for the open beta

[lusty citrus]

Gonna take some vacation days from work to catch the first holo slappin

[lusty mantle]

[astral stone]

good, so its a game inside our heads then

[young bone]

I'm going to be right there with you. I want Jotun!

[lusty citrus]

He’s one of my faves

[young bone]

Or this little guy

[lusty citrus]

Holo Krunk looks supa cool

[young bone]

The frost line is my favourite

[young bone]

He has been having some happy times 😄

[hazy thorn]

Gaming tokens are pumping today

[lusty citrus]

https://tenor.com/view/hodl-meme-crypto-gif-8440685405279941522

[obtuse patrol]

I just don't know how well everything will... mesh together... on release. Like, I played the overworld, SUPER boring after a few hours. I played the auto battler, few hours, got boring.

Granted, I haven't played either for a long long time though so they could be WAY better (probably are).

[obtuse patrol]

The overworld just felt so empty without life in them. Which, I have heard they're going to be in the overworld (Illuvials) much needed change.

[astral stone]

this is the best holo out of all ive seen so far. absolute magic

[lusty citrus]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-sir-yessir-yup-nod-gif-14614740

[young bone]

Omg!!!

[young bone]

Definitely, it's been worked for a long time. Tbh though having played a ridiculous amount of overworld and the intended purpose of it. It's doesn't need much more. Especially when. We have lore and quest and the progression to unlock the next region, ohhhh and multiplayer is on the list ( not yet though, few)
Yet getting the games out and on blockchain loop are all I care about at the moment.

[tender kraken]

This comment isn’t going to age well.

[covert violet]

yeah let's get it out and generate some revenue! I don't think we can expect a wider player base until there's a fully functional system.

[dark flame]

[hard trellis]

https://tenor.com/view/graduation-happy-dance-gif-13886897

[pearl crest]

Wen dump

[astral stone]

break time

[split lintel]

I mean I think 80% of the reason I enjoyed shrapnel was cause the grenade explosions were insanely satisfying

[hard trellis]

study optimism

[young bone]

I'm looking forward to testing it.😊

[sacred folio]

is the hotfix now applied in the arena?
the nerf to jotun

[young bone]

#📣〕announcements message

[deft rose]

Wouldn’t be surprised to see 200 usd at release.

[thick jasper]

Graphics are very important. If they just added bad graphics we would be just another web3 game. But we are a AAA Web 3 game. People recognize Illuvium by its badass graphics.
Keep it up, team. Don't listen to the people who are only interested in making a quick buck.

[sonic dagger]

gameplay > graphic, its not about making a quick buck

people play games that are fun to them

however, it's subjective to each individual, thats why we use DAU

and eventuallya revenue

we shouldnt debate which aspect of a game you like or people like, we just compare revenue

[charred lily]

people recognize illuvium by its artistic direction. In terms of graphics, do you really think it stands out from what's already happening now?

Crysis, stood out for its graphics at the time

[thick jasper]

Yes it still does.

[dark flame]

☺️

[charred lily]

in web2?

[daring jay]

it also stood out for many burnt gpus lol

[thick jasper]

No but web3.

[charred lily]

ok i totaly agree.

I always compare illuvium to web2. It's been a long time for me since there was a web3 comparison. Or very little

[thick jasper]

But web 2 players are not interested in bad graphic games with nfts. If you have AAA graphics maybe this will bring them in to test the game. Shrapnel is another shooter but they shine with good graphics.

[dark flame]

Graphics ❤️

[sonic dagger]

thats a personal opinion the numbers dont agree

[charred lily]

yep, it's a good argument.

Shrapnel I am reassured to see that we are far ahead of them

[deft rose]

It’s not that easy. Both are important and a good mix makes a good game. Some games are designed to have poor graphics and that’s fine because it fits in their design and it works for them. Some go for graphic fidelity because it fits their design and philosophy. What truly matters is player experience and that experience is a result of both gameplay and graphics. For illuvium graphics are very important and that is just fine. This is what sets us apart. It doesn’t mean gameplay isn’t important - of course it is. But as Dimitry said, saying “graphics don’t matter” is just dumb.

Mixing our graphics with improved gameplay can yield crazy results. This is what I bet on.

[thick jasper]

It is all my personal opinion.

[sonic dagger]

yea thats why its highly subjective and shouldnt be debated. gaming is very personal.
i personally dont like playing minecraft or roblox, but their numbers speak for themselves.
ILV strongest suit is the graphic, we just need a gameplay that the market wants

[dense grove]

I don't think we can judge DAU right now. It will change when we can keep what we are playing for. I like OW but am not playing right now. I don't want my progress to be reset.

For me personally graphics, lore and being able to build my team of Illuvials is what matters.

[sonic dagger]

yes we should

if DAU is not important rn why are we spending 166 ILV/week

and investors are looking at DAU

[thick jasper]

Personally I told them to stop rewards until the arena got the patches out. You give rewards to people that all use the same team. Something that was not fun to play.

[sonic dagger]

there was a huge discussion about this. but we need funding, and DAU is a very crucial matrix

im sorry i dont make the rules

[lusty mantle]

In the early days the team said: The game will bring in people
Now even with rewards I don't play
I think that says enough

[sonic dagger]

we need higher rewards then

[thick jasper]

First we need good gameplay to give rewards out.

[sonic dagger]

im pretty sure the team is trying hard their best, but maybe they need more time

its not ideal, but thats what we got

[young bone]

I agree DAU is important, churn is important for games. I guess it's just how much do we need to be successful?
What is successful?
Illuvium plan to have multiple different genres.
I still don't get how we can be making decisions on a game that doesn't have a full loop yet. We haven't even touched lore.
Investors also look at potential.

[dense grove]

Let me put it another way, the team and DAO need to be aware of DAU but also need to keep in mind that in a collection game not being able to keep your collection because it will be reset will definitely drop the DAU numbers.

My own opinion Jag is that we shouldn't be giving out rewards but I'm looking from the outside.

[sonic dagger]

the game is arena

[young bone]

What about OW and IZ?

[thick jasper]

It's the only game that is played because you get something from it.

[sonic dagger]

just read team's comment that OW is a pack opening

[thick jasper]

It's faking the numbers. You get the right numbers when all games are in public beta.

[thick jasper]

You sound like Sjud🤣

[sonic dagger]

its part of business, my mentor told me fake it until u make it

[young bone]

I thought you were keen for rewards because that's what big time did?

[sonic dagger]

im rooting for OW, but i have to accept the reality

im a huge mmorpg gamer

[thick jasper]

🤷‍♂️

[sonic dagger]

i am

ive said many times, web3 gaming need go be P2E

[young bone]

The OW will be a resource for all the other games. I see that and it makes sense.
I'm confused now.
Recently you were saying it's great they are focusing on the OW like you always wanted.

[sonic dagger]

yes

i am

[young bone]

I don't believe it has to be.

Not in the same sense others are doing.

[sonic dagger]

u dnt have to believe it, just wait a lil longer and you will see it

[young bone]

P2e ruins games because it's all about how much you can extract and nothing about the experience of the game.

[dreamy path]

I would like an xcom style game somewhere in the future, just a thought

[sonic dagger]

id love making money from games

thats the dream

cmon arena leaderboard is P2E lol

U play 5 games, top the leaderboard and get tokens

[young bone]

So has the narrative changed there. The message I've seen from illuvium is ownership and the possibility of rewards, with investment in token being the main reward system.

[sonic dagger]

how is it not Play to earn

Play arena, earn token

[sonic dagger]

the rewards are already here.
beyond leaderboard
arena leaderboard
content creator reward

kieran's airdrop tweet

[young bone]

Right now it might be, I think that's a stretch though. More like rewards for playing. It's not live yet.
Ive always seen the way @plain delta describe the economy loop had more depth and nuance. Different to other games.

[young bone]

Do you know the exact details?

[sonic dagger]

idk nothing

[young bone]

What is that like?

[young bone]

Then how do you make that equation.

[sonic dagger]

i read the tweet

what part of "....the biggest GameFi airdrop in history" is not clear enough

The FI stands for Finance

"GameFi" refers to the intersection of gaming and decentralized finance (DeFi). It involves incorporating blockchain and cryptocurrency elements into gaming ecosystems, allowing players to earn, trade, and utilize in-game assets with real-world value. This trend aims to create new economic models within the gaming industry.

[young bone]

@glossy elm
Please tell me if I'm completely off track. I don't see illuvium as P2E yet maybe I'm blind.

[sonic dagger]

?earn

[narrow vigil]

Game Economy

Illuvium offers various ways to participate in the play-to-earn (P2E) economy, including the option to:

• Sell captured Illuvials
• Sell farmed materials
• Sell crafted items
• Earn a portion of the 1 Million ILV reserved for in-game rewards

Please note that while the game itself is free to play, a monetary commitment is required to fully participate in the earning aspect of the economy

[young bone]

Yes we can earn. Perhaps you have a different concept to the term P2E than me.

[sonic dagger]

different than what the bot said?

[young bone]

No I understand all of that.
The way I understand other games like P2E is more like big time and Axie.

Even shrapnel

[sonic dagger]

big time, you play the game, earn token from leaderboard, earn from selling farmed materials

axie, you play the game, earn token from leaderboard, earn from farmed axies

now read the bot again

[young bone]

Yes I see now.
I thought illuvium were turning away from that concept.

[sonic dagger]

AHA the pivot

cant unsee

[young bone]

Lol I suck at arena

[sonic dagger]

thats why ive been saying that the team is on the right path and im glad

[young bone]

Ive always felt the tokenmoics were different to those other games

[sonic dagger]

good plan, doesnt work

[young bone]

The loop, the market ect.

[sonic dagger]

there was a tweet from kieran that explained it, he thought we would get web2 adoption, but unfortunately we have to settle for web3

[young bone]

Yeah, I didn't think that meant continuous token rewards.

[sonic dagger]

i understand there is part of the community that wants us to be different, but we are a business. and we have to make money

[sonic dagger]

is there an end date to arena leaderboard rewards?

[young bone]

Also why not just say that. It's really devaluing and degrading.

[sonic dagger]

what is?

[young bone]

We have token to give as rewards yet I didn't think it was infinite.

[young bone]

The way you have spoken to me before.

[sonic dagger]

i tried, but you have to come to the conclusion yourself

[split lintel]

Any and all fundamentals aside. Axie infinity became worth multiple billions of dollars and it was like the 1000000th best mobile toilet game in the world...

All I am saying is crypto doesn't follow any rules and never has 🤣🤣

[young bone]

You could actually explain instead of using innuendo. It's super poor communication.

[sonic dagger]

maybe, maybe not

[young bone]

When I ask it's because I seek an answer.

[split lintel]

Itll be given away until there's an iip essentially

The creator program is 12 weeks

[young bone]

Cool.

[sonic dagger]

its part of marketing, so dnt need IIP

[young bone]

Does marking have infinite amounts to give away?

[sonic dagger]

u gotta ask tarren

imo we need go ramp up arena rewards leading to OB

its a very competitive market

[split lintel]

They do liaison with the main council and an iip can shut down their operations at any point

[split lintel]

Everything comes from different places.

The creator rewards are coming out of runway. Leaderboard Rewards are from ingame rewards pool

Both are finite but ingame rewards is currently distributing sub 1% annually

And would be topped up from revdis

[young bone]

OW rewards would be nice. There is a leaderboard

[sonic dagger]

now ur asking for OW P2E

[sonic dagger]

i wonder if the creator reward is bringing us result

[young bone]

Okay. I'm okay with rewards for playing, it makes sense. It's in every game. It's what keeps us playing, not just web3.
I remember suggesting we get rewards in the for of a d1sk once.

[dense grove]

Been wondering that too. Hope release is soon so we can take advantage of that 12 week timing.

[split lintel]

Welcome to ask @junior blaze

Not my place to respond

[young bone]

Yes. My concept of p2E was regarding games where the system leads to some questionable game play.
Tbh I've never equated reward for play with P2E games they seem to be in a different place in my mind. Yet I get giving a reward technically makes it p2E

[sonic dagger]

some projects want to distance themselve from axie, thats why they dont want to use the term "P2E". But thats just marketing word play, the reality is they are still doing P2E.
i just like to call it as it is, P2E

[young bone]

It really is. Plus you kept changing the reasons. First it was pivot because of Palworld and mavia, then Kerians tweet.
Can you see how that is confusing. Then you won't answer. Then I have somehow discovered what you knew all along.

[ripe bear]

Are we not getting leaks anymore ?

[young bone]

I get that. It was used all the time then moved away from.
And aspects of it are P2E

[sonic dagger]

there are 2 topics here
gameplay and P2E

[young bone]

Aaron messaged in here, be ready for some next week.

[ripe bear]

Awesome and do you know if next beyond wave is between Q1 and Q2 ?

[young bone]

Plus Dimitry has been leaking in leaks.

[young bone]

No

[molten agate]

We all know that the dev team and subsequent team members are limited in what they can divulge right now. Play to Earn is the way of the future. Get with the program and support the game and the team that are doing their utmost to bring you all an astonishing Web 3.0 rendition, in their own style, grace and prowess of Mokepon Went 😉

[old folio]

Maybe

[young bone]

My point is, I obviously had a different understanding to what was going on in your mind.
You could have easily pointed me in the right direction when I first asked.
Like you did. I would have seen where I wasn't connecting the dots and moved on.
Instead to me you just belittled me leaving me with more questions than answers.

[molten agate]

Wow, I didn't catch that, @sonic dagger Mind your manners sir!

[sonic dagger]

ive always said my dm is always open if u want further explanation

[thin elbow]

I highly doubt that.
How you going to Fund a serious play to earn game sustainable?

[sonic dagger]

and we dm in the past

[sonic dagger]

did u assume my gender

[young bone]

The team just needs to be ready for the influx of people who become increasingly upset when the game breaks, things aren't balanced and delivery does adhere to their wants.
It's full on.

[molten agate]

Sorry, you didn't leave any pronouns 😛

[molten agate]

Now, can you repeat that in a clear and concise statement please?

[sonic dagger]

[young bone]

I don't want to do that anymore. You can answer in here. Others may also have the same confusion I do.
Never assume someone knows what you are talking about.

[sonic dagger]

so im free not to write what u asked?

[lusty mantle]

Can you take a 15 min break? I ran out of snacks and I have to go to the shop

[young bone]

What I've asked in here, everyone can see anyway.

[sonic dagger]

i can use a double cheeseburger and 20 nuggets

[molten agate]

I suggest going to the seaside and gathering shells, this may get gritty 😉

[sonic dagger]

thats a good one

[young bone]

I share your concerns. Yet I feel illuvium will do it In a sustainable way.

[thin elbow]

P2e means people play and earn money while doing it right?
Where comes this money from?
A Studio earns of people spending money ingame, if they have to pay more than they earn how do they do that?
The only Source would be external, merch/Movies etc. But you also have to pay developement. And the bigger your playerbase the more money you have to Make from those external sources.

I simply can't See this working out, especially not for Studios not being in the top 3 mc

[dark oracle]

is no one playing ? i queue like 10min more to get a matchup

[sonic dagger]

we have 1m token to spend

[thin elbow]

That's what i mean with not sustainable... What you do when tokens gone?

[sonic dagger]

its a known issue

[molten agate]

Thanks Dr.Spoon, that was very well said.

[sonic dagger]

token split?

we can give away shards, fuel

[dark oracle]

thanks for your reply, what can i do about it ?

[young bone]

There is a paid aspect to the game. I can see how it might pump numbers. Yeah lol was just going to say that's why the token split idea.

[sonic dagger]

D1sks

[sonic dagger]

u wait

so many jpegs we can print and give as rewards

[thin elbow]

Hows this working? You mean you wana pay less than you did in past?
Doesn't solve the Problem, just makes it a bit smaller

[young bone]

Anyway it will be what it will be. As long illuvium can survive and fulfill the vision.

[sonic dagger]

token split 1 token becomes 1000 token, then token pump because of the split

easy

[young bone]

I'm going to reserve my thoughts now until the team explains it all.

[sonic dagger]

dont worry about long term, lets worry about now and the next 2 years

[molten agate]

Token split of BTC coming up in April. Lets see what happens there with it's outrageous gas prices and poorly developed over bolstered systems.

[sonic dagger]

u dnt like btc?

[molten agate]

No

[sonic dagger]

its the digital gold

[molten agate]

Not as of April, you watch the whole thing collapse in a heap.

[sonic dagger]

what collapse

[molten agate]

That's my prediction, it's also Elon Musk's prediction

[sonic dagger]

ru saying btc gonna collapse?

[molten agate]

No not the coin, the systems surrounding it

[sonic dagger]

the ordinals?

[molten agate]

Among other things.

[pearl crest]

Is that true that ilv will replace the US dollar?

[sonic dagger]

its programmed

warwicks gonna be the new rochs

new world order

[daring jay]

lmao

[molten agate]

haha blocked

[sonic dagger]

no way

[molten agate]

afr has an article on it

[pearl crest]

haha blocked

[sonic dagger]

whos blocking who

[molten agate]

This server is like the Karate Kid, Blocked with a Wacks Off 😛

[pearl crest]

This server is like the Karate Kid, Blocked with a Wacks Off 😛

[sonic dagger]

think about it
Kain = payment system
Aaron = mastermind, government
Kieran = media
Grant = culture

this is the birth of the new superpower

[molten agate]

That makes a great cheese factory 🙂

[pearl crest]

That makes a great cheese factory 🙂

[sonic dagger]

wonka?

[pearl crest]

Alright enough discord for today

[molten agate]

Alright enough discord for today

[pearl crest]

https://tenor.com/view/peace-out-gif-22295199

[sonic dagger]

wth is going on

[lusty mantle]

Short term gains and let Illuvium labs die?

[daring jay]

https://tenor.com/view/rickcosnett-eddiethawne-klaine-theflash-flash-gif-5179907

[sonic dagger]

i missed the bullish betty

[lusty mantle]

Just translating what Jag is proposing

[sonic dagger]

short term gain = long term gain

in web3

[molten agate]

Anyone know anything about 'transitional procedure'? It's a new catch phrase adopted by... cough XRP cough

[young bone]

Oh, you mean what I asked about what I could do better in running for community council, If I should bother, and my concern about people reacting to me differently. Yeah that's fine I have nothing to hide.
I've asked a few people.
I found your advice helpful and it confirmed what I'd been reflecting on myself.

[sonic dagger]

talking about your questions here

[young bone]

Oh lol. Yeah of course, public is public.

[sonic dagger]

i mean, i dont have to respond to all of your questions to me

[molten agate]

I think this could be likened to finding an ancient mosquito preserved in amber and creating a Dinosaur. 'Yeah, yeah, but your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could that they didn't stop to think if they should'

[lusty mantle]

Blood in a mosquito would just hold mosquito DNA, you'll never be able to create a Dinosaur from it

[molten agate]

My point exactly

Thanks

[sonic dagger]

Whoa

thats not true

we have like 6 movies

explaining that

[young bone]

No you don't. You can just say I don't want to answer you anymore. I'd understand that.
I prefer straight forward. I literally have trouble understanding subtlety.

[lusty mantle]

Ofc it's true, it goes straight into the digestive system of the mosquito, there is no dinosaur dna left in there 🤓

[sonic dagger]

ur lying

[molten agate]

haha

[sonic dagger]

the professor invented a way to raise so many species of dino

from a drop of blood

[lusty mantle]

Why did people vote for you

[young bone]

Oh I'm free to not write what you asked. . . I'm free to not answer your questions. Sorry Jag. Misinterpretation.

[sonic dagger]

people love jag

[lusty mantle]

They also loved the lie about the dinosaurs

[sonic dagger]

how can u say that ive seen the bones

in the museum

and it came alive at night

[young bone]

Dino mosquito yikes.

[sonic dagger]

and theres pharaoh, teddy roosevelt

pocahontas

[young bone]

Good night.

[sonic dagger]

gn

[young bone]

?

[lusty mantle]

gn

[thin elbow]

I feel it's relatively simple, when reviewing last election. You either have a Big Bag or friends with Big bags to vote you in, promise to pump Investors bags or you are content creator 🙃

[young bone]

Lol.

[sonic dagger]

salt bae

ok its true

[sonic dagger]

imo council main job is to pump bags

[thin elbow]

😄
Nothing to do with being salty, i asked myself and tried to review everything. Those are my results, very simply said

[sonic dagger]

they are elected by token holders

when voting for a proposal ask yourself, is this proposal gonna pump bags?

[thin elbow]

Main council you could say... Icc doesn't have the power to do that

[sonic dagger]

IMC cant vote if ICC doesnt vote

ICC is the filter

[thin elbow]

Yea, but their job is to gather sentiment and help community writing Proposals worth voting on for IMC.
It's not really their duty to decide if it's a good or Bad proposal, thats what imc is for.

[sonic dagger]

yes

we are the stamp

[rigid escarp]

Or the wheelchair council

[ripe bear]

Do you know when beyond wave will be roughly

Thanks

[crimson matrix]

3-4 months i guess

[ripe bear]

Really...that long ? I thought was going to be between Q1 and Q2 ?

[crimson matrix]

1 month before open beta is planned for the next wave and i dont see open beta in 1 or 2 months

[sonic dagger]

where did u hear this from

[crimson matrix]

i thought i read it somewhere isnt it true?

[stone saffron]

how to play game

[manic osprey]

This is just your narrow-minded opinion, 100%. Because I can tell you for a fact that I do care about the stunning looks and so do countless other people who will get hooked on collecting these creatures. You may just be here to make money, that does not mean that the whole world operates like you. People have been collecting things since the dawn if time for their beauty and will continue to do so.

The arrogance of many people amazes and triggers me at the same time. Just because they have an opinion or preference, they somehow think everyone is the same.

This is not to say that game play does not matter. It 100% does. But to completely ditch the quality of the assets we have is just nonsense...

[oblique slate]

You can download the game through the Epic Games Store.

[manic osprey]

At this stage, DAU is nothing. You are hooked on the wrong thing.

[sonic dagger]

tell that to team

and investors

[manic osprey]

What was the DAU for mavia, axie or palwords beta? That's right, nobody knows and nobody cares.

[lusty mantle]

It's the only thing people talked about here 😅

[hallow kraken]

i'm an investor and I dont care right now. I'm not a DAU right now. Everything is getting reset.rebalanced all the time. Personally have better things to do with my time. Why grind now? I have nothing but respect for the community members that are playing continuously and giving them feedback. I'm sure i'm not the only one that will be an active user that is not playing right now.

[lusty mantle]

Heroes of Mavia launched for both Apple and Android devices less than a week ago and already has more than 230,000 daily active users

[sonic dagger]

investors are looking at our DAU and comparing it to other games.
kieran is talking to VCs

[sonic dagger]

u have $10m to invest?

[hallow kraken]

what was mavias DAU before launch?

[sonic dagger]

deflection

[manic osprey]

How do say gameplay and making money is what matters most and think that beta DAU matters at the same time??? There is no money to be made and the gameplay is being developed. Beta DAU for a web3 game is irrelevant

[manic osprey]

Or you just don't have any good answer

[sonic dagger]

idk how else i can explain this

do u have $10m to invest in our runway? if u dnt u better support our cause to pump dau

saying it doesnt matter, doesnt help

[thin elbow]

Beta DAU for any game is absolutely not representative, but possible Investors need or Like to have numbers represented before throwing arround money and i guess most of them want to know dau numbers besides other metrics

[manic osprey]

You don't need to explain it. You are wrong. Yes, investors will look at this but they will look at it as 1 data point in the whole picture. And once the game launches, we will see the real DAU, the only one that matters.

[hallow kraken]

well I think the case for DAU is the airdrop. doing exactly what mavia did. they got over a million downaloads. Kieran already said our airdrop will be bigger.

[sonic dagger]

nick explained it lol
ru saying nick is wrong too?

the post is still there

[deft rose]

Hey Jag, I am sorry but this doesn’t make much sense. Of course DAU matter for a released game, we all hope for high DAU once open beta launches. Right now it’s a nothing burger. It would be great if we had high DAU already but current low numbers are not representative of the future at all.

[sonic dagger]

sorry NDA

[deft rose]

lol what

[manic osprey]

Oh I read it and I agree that is is a data point investors look at. But you are saying DAU is everything. It's just wrong.

[sonic dagger]

we are spending 166 ILV/week to attract more players

[brave quiver]

What are the current dau numbers?

[sonic dagger]

good question, its not publicly published

[deft rose]

It might be worth it or not, no idea honestly. Still it doesn’t matter because the full loop is not there yet.

[stoic merlin]

gm

[sonic dagger]

yes im pumped for it

we are heading into the right direction

with the rewards and airdrop

i say we need higher reward for arena

the other projects are giving away so much to get the market share

shrapnel spent $100k in token over 3 days to get 20k players

big time
mavia airdrops
pixels
pixelmon

we are fighting over market share

[ornate sleet]

What activities are there now? I'm a newbie

[sonic dagger]

play arena, theres token reward

[hallow kraken]

think we are a little early for that. Lets wait for pb4 before we do a stress test. Cant give away all the rewards before we start launch. We only have 1million ilv to give out. If we get too exgressive with rewards now that number can go down very fast over the next few months waiting for OB.

[sonic dagger]

create ILV content, theres reward too

[sonic dagger]

from what i heard, i could be wrong. People are waiting longer for matchmaking and the elo is widen. phantom tourney were cancelled due to low participant

those tourneys have cash prize

to establish esports we need those tournaments running

and we do have an iip to grant 100 ILV per month

im not sure its being granted yet

[lusty mantle]

Really?

[sonic dagger]

uve been away too long

[hallow kraken]

Aaron has already said they are doing a revamp on arena. The arena game right now, will be nothing close to what it is when it launches in OB. Especially after hearing Aaron talk in Scoriox's ama. So unless you are really good right now and have a chance at winning money, why enter the tourney? to earn experience in a game that is going to change drastically? Let alone right now people cant even get matched up because of the ghost session bug.

I just don't see why throwing more rewards at it right now makes any sense

[sonic dagger]

to get more players or at least retain them

we dont know for sure when is OB. if its july then its 4 months away, if longer then....

[ornate sleet]

Is it difficult to get into the top 1k?

[sonic dagger]

ru good at TFT?

[obtuse panther]

leader board is filled with smurfs

[sonic dagger]

known smurfs?

[obtuse panther]

its just not a good look for new players

[sonic dagger]

but they are excluded from the rewards

[crimson matrix]

where is all the creator rewards content?

[ornate sleet]

no

[crimson matrix]

i see the same content as before

[sonic dagger]

idk how hard it is, but its free money

[near pier]

Ghost sessions are being fixed manually most are unlocked now

[ornate sleet]

Need to play millet?

[obtuse panther]

i know but that doesnt make it fair when a top 3 player is playing his smurf and plays against a low tier beginner player and wrecks them. To a new player to ilv it also looks very hard to get to the leaderboard if they didnt know smurfs didnt get rewarded.

[obtuse panther]

get a wrench and fix mine dad

[sonic dagger]

so u think the smurfs are smacking the other players to keep them from climbing?

[obtuse panther]

yes i know people who troll 1300 elo

[sonic dagger]

are these smurfs using their real username and adding suffix?

[sonic dagger]

who

[sonic dagger]

whats a millet

[hallow kraken]

I'm under the impression we are in early stages of a bull market and this game will predominantly be played by web3 people before OB (hopefully minstream comes sometime after OB). Web3 people have a short attention spam, especially during a bull. in order to keep their attention for 4 months with no OB, we will go through that 1 Million ilv easily hahaha. Would rather keep majority of rewards for OB, that way the whole ecosystem is open and we can at least get some revenue from them, even if its just fees from the illuvidex. haha

[obtuse panther]

im no snitch but it happens . I just wish you had 1 account with 20 decks to play. if you play the game dont be scared and play your main. thats what makes the game fun. the fear of losing and the love of winning. not playing a smurf playing characters you know you can beat.

[ornate sleet]

no, play game in illuvium?

[sonic dagger]

if this is an issue, we need to escalate it to improve people experience in arena

[latent skiff]

P2e now available??

[sonic dagger]

theres arena leaderboard reward

[sonic dagger]

u can play the game, download on epic

[latent skiff]

How can i earn?

[sonic dagger]

read the announcement

[obtuse panther]

As someone who has been playing for around a year i dont like it but understand why its almost needed right now because of lack of deck space. For new players on boarding i think it is terrible. illuvium already has a steep learning curb with all the terminology , different game modes, fuel, and ways to earn. I'm really excited to see the tutorial i think this well help a lot. I do think having smurf should be monitored but lets be honest we cant stop it but i wouldn't want to promote it either.

thanks you for letting me have your ear jag. have a good day sir

[sonic dagger]

u 2

ill bring this up in our next icc meeting

[obtuse panther]

https://tenor.com/view/magic-gif-26166638

i need some @ripe geode

[lusty mantle]

[wraith ridge]

I never understood, why we wanted to make it so difficult to collect Illuvials in an Overworld game, which is only for desktop and takes a long time to get right.

Don't get me wrong, I love the OW and the planned Illuvial hunting, but for someone, who wants to spend money on collecting Illuvials, it is just to resource restrictive and time consuming to play.

If we had a rather simple mobile game now, that had Illuvials as rewards, we could increase DAU, generate some income e.g. from micro transactions and get people hooked on Illuvials now.

We need as many web3 and other people as possible to be invested in Illuvium now (in the form of Illuvials and land), before other web3 games own their money and mind share.

Illuvials should be our main selling point now, fun AAA games should come later, but we can already show these games, something other web3 projects can not.

This mobile game should be IL:Z with a new F2P experience, that allows for an abstract form of hunting Illuvials.

That's just how I feel.

[thin elbow]

Feel Bad for those, must live a shitty life when they need to get some happyness by obliterating newcomers on low elo.
If you are one of them and read this, feel hugged

[sonic dagger]

can someone please tell me who are these people?

[sonic dagger]

the team has suggested selling booster packs

[thin elbow]

I don't play atm, am a rogue Guy in those Games and rogues don't really perform since the beginning.
But i guess you can blame 75% of the top 20... Just a feeling tho

[sonic dagger]

i know someone who had many alts

[thin elbow]

I can See now with rewards why one want to have 1 smurf, everybody who has more than 1 is one of them...

Doesn't mean that those with just 1 smurf aren't one of those trolling on low elo tho

[normal python]

Alts are toxic imo. You'll never catch me doing it. If I want to test a deck I'll sacrifice the elo and work my way back up rather than trolling newcomers

[obtuse panther]

i think overworld is going to make or break the game. We need a great story line that connects you with your illuvials. Just like in Pokémon yeah haunter might not be the best Pokémon but i always kept him from evolving because he was my favorite character. i think leviathen should be the main arena mode with ascendant only open for big tournaments or testing. The reasoning behind this is it would take more time to find the new meta and really get players connected to overworld and their characters.

[obtuse panther]

this is the way

[sonic dagger]

u guys wanna squash the alts?

[thin elbow]

Don't think you can really...

[sonic dagger]

we can set a rule to prohibits alts and ban the main

[thin elbow]

Don't think you can identify alts reliably.
Especially not if you consider housholds with multiple Players.

[sonic dagger]

we can connect to their socials

[warm lantern]

yeah send people down frustration etc. even worse than atm when they wanna test something new and are only "allowed" one account, would make beta testing and finding bugs etc. worse as well

[sonic dagger]

theres casual

[warm lantern]

noone plays casual

[sonic dagger]

both of the alts can

[fading flame]

how about the dark holos can go invisible for minutes when you chase it in the overworld????

[sonic dagger]

how many alts do u have viper

[warm lantern]

3 atm

played on 2 recently

[sonic dagger]

thats not too bad

[sonic dagger]

sounds fun

[thin elbow]

Why 3?
Isn't 1 smurf enough for testing purposes?

[warm lantern]

2 were to high elo to find games for stream on around holidays, so I made more

and 1 was bugged recently

[thin elbow]

So you get top elo with testing Decks?

[warm lantern]

last patch yeah

[thin elbow]

You sure it isn't because you found a nice one and just played it until you were in high elo?

[warm lantern]

Maybe it is me being a "serious" player of games, but I can´t understand the dislike of people using multiple accounts, most normal thing in any game

[warm lantern]

yeah at times

why wouldn´t I?

[thin elbow]

Out yourself in the shows of Newcomers and you might understand it

[thin elbow]

Cause thats not really testing Decks anymore?
I bet you encountered meta Teams Way before high elo to test if it Beats it reliably, no?

[warm lantern]

it isn´t enforceable in any way to prevent multiple accounts
then you cause anxiety to people who are forced to play, when they just wanna sit on a rank they are happy with, so you lower the amount of people playing/testing

maybe one wants to play, but is tired or w.e., most would not play on an account they care about re elo then, so you again make people not play the game

[warm lantern]

I mean if they are low elo they prob misplay etc. as well

I don´t think I have ever played a game where people were not "allowed" again "" cause not enforceable, to have multiple accounts, for whatever reasons they would want to have them

also a "newcomer" would prob not face many if any smurf accounts, as they quickly leave that elo anyways

[worldly mist]

The problem is increasing the ways people can generate illuvial NFTs is a bad idea due to supply and demand. We need multiple more games that DON'T generate Illuvials and also USES illuvials so that the demand is there. I would be afraid that increasing the player base of a game that generates supply will lead to little demand for the actual use of that supply.

[thin elbow]

I also think it's not enforcable, just want to know reasons why someone needs a smurf or even more than 1 smurf Account.

[warm lantern]

Outside of people do it cause they want to for various reasons idk what answer to give you

Make new acc, play only X-team
Start over
Play when tired/drunk/high
Want to camp main rating
…

My main reasons are content creation related

[thin elbow]

But what i hear it's just 1 reason explained in many ways.... Wana keep the Ranking, sitting it out up there for either bragging or rewards.
Maybe playtime in an Account should get rewarded as much as the Ranking, so you could incentivice people just playing 1 Account?

[warm lantern]

Sure you can do whatever you want if it fits your goals.

It just isn’t normal behavior in most games to play 1 account when you are around the top ranks in team/deckbuilding games

Especially not when you don’t need to spend money on it

We can argue why human nature or behavior are like that, fact is they are.

[thin elbow]

Well i'm glad people Change/improve behaviour, otherwhise we would still live in caves

That's not really a reason to keep a system

[warm lantern]

That’s obv not what I am referring to here

It is very anxiety inducing to have to play when you have a lot to lose, little to win.
That is a very bad thing eg

People strive for positive emotions, getting eg 1900-1910 is who cares, getting minus 30 feels very bad

[thin elbow]

Couldn't you See it as you have to play because there's a Lot to win?
Everyone is in the Same boat...

[warm lantern]

Feels way better to play 2nd account until 1900 and then play more, so you minimize the downside risk

[warm lantern]

That’s not what most see, there is also something re when people achieve a rank, they get it again, they aren’t as happy, what you already accomplished is seen as new normal, falling below that hurts more and getting it back isn’t as rewarding

[thin elbow]

So testing Decks /bugs was actually an excuse for anxiety to lose Ranking? 😄

[warm lantern]

Don’t twist my words, you first asked me for reasons in eg a game like ilv, my recent point was why it is the norm in avg non beta web2 game as well eg

[thin elbow]

I feel it is, it means you really play on that lvl, and didn't just have a lucky run to get there

[warm lantern]

Well yeah, that is why people don’t respect early season high elo players in eg league of legends, still for the avg person it is a good feeling

That is also why games have eg ranked floors

We don’t have that here

Games do reward winstreaks into higher ranks

[thin elbow]

But you get rewards and Ranking in ilv aswell, why is it different in other Games?

[warm lantern]

You said bugs/testing is an excuse, it isn’t it is obv part of why it is good when people play more games in ilv than sitting on a rank and being happy about it/afraid to drop it again.

Obv the 2nd point stands here as well

I still fail to see the issues with this

[thin elbow]

Yes totally, but if you test in 1 Account or 2 doesn't Make it different from a testing purpose

[warm lantern]

Is there some silver/bronze player who quits the game when they lose 1/20 games to someone who instead of 1900main is on a 1700 Smurf?
That isn’t reality as far as I am aware

[silent canopy]

Someone please help me, when I'm playing the screen it flashes black and it only happens when I'm playing illuvium
Does anyone know what this is?

[warm lantern]

Do you not understand that people who care for they ranks in games wouldn’t ever test anything?

[thin elbow]

Idk, i don't play atm but when i hear people habe to wait a Long time, i guess the playerbase is pretty small so i guess the Rate to fight a smurf is mich higher than 1/20

[warm lantern]

Maybe people would wait less if more would play on Smurfs than only on main

[thin elbow]

You could force a decrease in points if you don't play, so they have to play if they wana keep the Ranking. Which would create a healthy fight about top rankings, would deliver interesting content for too Players into content creating, would Newcomers enjoy the game more and maybe other Stuff i haven't thought about.

[thin elbow]

Maybe people would wait less if Newcomers stay and not get obliterated by smurfs over and over and leave

[warm lantern]

Playing at least 15/week is accomplishing the first point.

„Punishing“ casuals who aren’t top rank with that is again not happening in any game, many reasons.

Healthy fight for top ranks or w.e. isn’t a real point, you have to either find new op team or hit a lucky winstreak, that won’t change no matter what, as everyone is playing on the same rules.

Newcomers aren’t loosing to Smurfs in reality, they lose to people who watch YouTube/socials, like in any other game the people who don’t know what do to/where to inform themselves they lose until they are in an elo with mutuals, that’s what mmr does.

The loosing to Smurfs, can’t rank up thing is just „bad“ players coping and not admiting their faults.

Which is a normal thing people do in most games

Doesn’t make riot/blizzard etc. Change anything.

[obtuse panther]

Is you game working ? After it flashed or no.? You can reach out to there is a bug on going right now. #❓❓〕support

[silent canopy]

It works but it keeps blinking the screen goes black I close the game the screen stays normal

[obtuse panther]

maybe try alt + enter

[silent canopy]

That's not it, I've tried a lot of things and nothing 😦

[obtuse panther]

im sorry. maybe try uninstall and re install ?

[dark oracle]

im more than 10 min in queue is it normal ? less players ?.

[rigid escarp]

Its not the players problem that something seems broken.
gamers will game, smurfs/exploits whatever a player can do to have fun and get the edge, he will do.
its up to the devs to come up with a solution.

[rigid escarp]

And in vipers case, i would actually argue he is doing us a favor with making alts, he is the only consistent streamer i see.
He cant find games, but wants to keep playing.
Rank 1 player on top of that, he is the face of ilv arena.

[green condor]

I have my land for about a year and still nothing? you can't do anything in the game with that land but make mint of 15 illuvials of 1$, there is no other function? stake of land? airdrop? points for a ranking? absolutely it's only money frozen in a land?

[rigid escarp]

? i still got these damn tokens, have not received any proper revdis yet, damn so useless, u bought the land as a investment.

[green condor]

Who would buy the land as an investment, right? We all buy it for fun, it doesn't stop having fun 😂

[rigid escarp]

well if u don't know what u buy, or when it becomes useful, i have nothing more to add.
Thanks for participating.

[green condor]

Of course sir, people are in cryptos for fun and no one is there to invest, that's clear.😂

[tame lake]

Its really annoying im stuck in ghosting session and ive reported in game and started a ticket. No help so far

[hallow kraken]

Kieran did talk about an airdrop coming for land holders in one of his latest interviews. I know rewards for land holders, especially for long term holders is something they have been looking at for some time. Obviously anything has to be approved by the council. But I would say something coming around open beta is looking really good for land holders.

[warm lantern]

[obtuse panther]

so your complaining about losing elo to a top player? how does a new player that created his own deck feel about winning 10 games in a row and then loses to the meta deck a viper 3 account -100 elo to a top 10 player "testing'' nah if you are scared to play your main account get out of here we are playing for a nice prize. make excuses all you want . if you are concerned about losing to a 1600 player then play better you shouldn't be worried if your that much better.

im a big fan of you viper and i like you as a person 🙂 i think you are the best twitch streamer of ilv

[rigid escarp]

well, idk dont u think anyone should be able to do whatever they want within the limits set by the devs.
we are still testing the game, who cares. later on people wont be able to do this once they need to own the cards to play them.
and then again, if people are willing to pay for 2 decks they should be able to play it dont think we can ever stop this, or find a good enough argument to stop it.

[crimson matrix]

which new player is winning 10 games in a row with his own deck 😂

[arctic cargo]

how do i update the game? i launche the game and then i get a misedmatch error displaying i need to upgrade the game

[obtuse panther]

if your scared to play your main account go to church. i just witnessed a smurf beating someone trying to grind leaderboard with a non meta deck they created. it just sucks for the community and makes the game les fun imo

[rigid escarp]

well, if u are streaming, and u want to be entertaining your viewers and u cant find matches, i think its fair enough.
whats there to gain if u already rank 1, there is only something to lose.

[obtuse panther]

maybe thats the problem we need to face not smurfs

[obtuse panther]

gotaa play to earn

[obtuse panther]

like i said if u are scared u are scaredd

[rigid escarp]

Maybe, but i think we will never be able to stop it.
all we can hope for is that the top will have to play there accounts to be able to claim rank 1.

it will get better with more playerbase

[obtuse panther]

right now our top players are leading by example and its gross to me. its no good for the community period

[thin elbow]

You probably can't Find matches because they all playing their low elo smurfs 😂
But i can See the content reasononing.
Besides that it's just excuses to not drop in your placement

[obtuse panther]

i hope playing smurfs makes u feel good for playing noobs

[rigid escarp]

idk, i dont think its a problem.
especially later on, if they are willing to invest in a 2nd deck for a smurf, they should be able to play it, its part of our formula.

[tender kraken]

Elo should decay over time.

[rigid escarp]

i think these problems will fade with more player base.
we will probs still have that problem, but i mean all it takes is another try hard to challenge the spots.

i dont know exactly what is going on, and why u guys think it kills the game.
i remember back in the day with wow, grinding gladiator and the rank 1 team started queing with a low rank team on alts.
if u faced them u where fucked losing to a low rank, but in reality u where just playing against the rank 1 team. if u lost, u lost multiple wins worth of progression towards challenging them.
was just part of securing there spot, even WoW never truly managed to fix it.
So its a illusion if u think we can.

[rigid escarp]

With hyper competitive goals and incentives, u will have to deal with hyper competitive players and the autism that comes with it.
not saying that is the case now 😄 I love everyone

[molten agate]

Ultra/Hyper competitive players are the base line of what a game is grown from. Thews and endurance are needed within a game that has a real world earning potential. This potential illuminates ones drive to succeed at any cost. I myself 'identify' as a competitive player that believes in the future of many Web 3.0 ventures, toward building a deep and meaningful online career within this environment. This is the future and it's here in the now.

[molten agate]

Embrace adversity as an opportunity for growth, the impediment to action, advances action, what stands in the way, becomes the way. Marcus Aurelius. This game extrudes potential on a grand scale, and the development team are fulfilling Marcus Aurelius' words of wisdom every day. This is the precipice of wisdom toward the pinnacle of success!

[sage falcon]

What's a smurf

[young bone]

🤣

[sage falcon]

Oh yeah

What's a Dev blog

[storm rain]

its matchmaking working for all?

[sage falcon]

Sounds like some Mofos have found a way to be the top 100 players whilst being one single human being

[lusty citrus]

https://tenor.com/view/blues-clues-steve-blue-think-think-think-think-gif-21976235

I’ve told my kids this is Smurf’s

[sage falcon]

What are gremlins called

Wait rephrase that: what are those things from the movie Gremlins called?

[young bone]

I kind of see where you are coming from, I do believe viper though when he mentioned ( me definitely included) are not learning how to play the game.
Maybe when comps are more competitive against the meta we will see a difference.
I don't know how I feel about it. I'm never going to have the time or interest to make another account, yet I know people who have multiple in ESO , I used to play it for them when they couldn't get in the game.
For them it was storage and being able to max multiple characters. Granted that was before they added Loadouts, so perhaps it is the amount of teams a person can have that may be the issue or lack of casual players to test teams.
For me Botting is more important, yet for people who just don't have the opportunity to put in the time necessary for multiple accounts I can see it being an inequity.

[lusty citrus]

Once all illuvials are available Aaron has mentioned they have an AI balancing system to make multiple teams viable. I am hoping that is the case

[young bone]

Information about game development progress and changes.

[sage falcon]

Haha

Sounds dull af

[young bone]

Also interesting, - mentioned in Nijafes vid recently - is people who play for you.
Is it just mate agreements on rewards or will it need to be within a system that illuvium creates?

[young bone]

Lol I guess it depends on what you are interested in, I used to wake up early to watch the ESO patch explanations, maybe it's a nerd thing.

[sage falcon]

I love you for that

[young bone]

❤️❤️❤️

[near pier]

You watching Super Bowl?

[young bone]

You watching super bowl?

[sage falcon]

Of course not

[young bone]

Can't them serious in all that padding 😜

[near pier]

lol @inner topaz said this too until he saw how much more massive these dudes are and how fast they run compared to AFL

Freight trains running into eachother

Would die if they didn’t

[young bone]

Hehe they are beasts.

[lusty citrus]

https://tenor.com/view/the-waterboy-the-waterboy-water-boy-gif-8227375

[sage falcon]

That's the kinda sport I'd want all my sons playing

[lusty citrus]

I thinks it’s time for the 49ers to win. I’m pretty neutral on this Super Bowl though

[young bone]

Lol. At least they have some protection. There are so many AFL players that have brain damage from the way we play.
I prefer to watch the other one.
Nicer bums. Can't remember the name of it. Because I only watch it for eye candy 🍬

[sage falcon]

I prefer rugby league thighs

[obtuse panther]

yeah gurl yeah

[sage falcon]

AFL thighs are too ectomorphic

[lusty citrus]

Gotta have more epidermis showing imho

[obtuse panther]

i prefer volley ball but hey

[molten agate]

Rugby players have a xenomorphic personality with a boozy twist. Don't objectify men 😉

[sage falcon]

Can I steal this for twitter

[molten agate]

yes you can 😛

[sage falcon]

Why did the token go up so much

Wasn't it 72

[molten agate]

It was a token of the player base appreciation for the developers

[sage falcon]

Well we all know that's not true

You're new here

[molten agate]

I'm also a deep and involved researcher

[sage falcon]

Welcome to the family Johnny Depp

Haha U edited. Coward

[molten agate]

Caught it in time

I got a jar of Dirt 😉

[sage falcon]

I edited Or to Of this morning and I already feel dirty

[molten agate]

So do I, I've been up since the Crack of Dawn 😉

Editing is the difference between attentiveness and not giving a shit. Girls wonder why relationships don't last. An error doesn't become a mistake until you refuse to correct it. John F Kennedy. Wow, it's such a lovely day. Looks like a good day for a drive with the top down, come on Jackie, lets go 😉

[molten agate]

Oop's, I broke General Chat

[old folio]

Wen Jan player #s

[teal marten]

gm

[molten agate]

Wen Jan player #s . No I deleted it myself. I want to comprehend what Stonks means 🙂

Dr. Wen-Jan Tuan is a bioinformatics and health services research expert in using electronic health records, multi-organizational health data exchange.

[noble dagger]

I heard there's talk of putting creatures (illuvials) into the Overworld. Are sandbox elements going to be implemented as well?
..I mean Sandbox elements would allow people to just play around & fantasize, and not always have to be on a mission to collect.
Not everyone is a hard core collector.

[nocturne surge]

estaria bueno que el juego este en español, no les cuesta nada

[novel oak]

it could be a game mode they add in the future and wouldent happen without an IIP getting approved

[split lintel]

howdy howdy boys and gals

and jaganites

and bots

so many bots

https://tenor.com/view/pips-everywhere-gif-26144190

[zealous badger]

whats the best game to make money in

[boreal gale]

Getting a job helps.

[junior blaze]

Inferno tourney was not cancelled due to “low participants”

Unsure of where you got that information

[sonic dagger]

why is it? jim taking a break to play palworld?

what happened to phantom tourney? Can we grant them the 100 ILV/month?

[junior blaze]

Usually the burden of proof is on the one making the allegation, in this case it’s you claiming “wf tourney was cancelled due to low participants”

[sonic dagger]

i said i heard and i could be wrong

[junior blaze]

If it’s not confirmed, I’d be cautious on sharing that info publicly like it is true and using it to support certain arguments you have

[ornate sleet]

I absolutely don't understand how to play

[sonic dagger]

there are many youtube videos

to guide u

[ornate sleet]

2021 year?

[sonic dagger]

its 2024

https://discord.com/channels/760344898200666112/814317365662580786

[ornate sleet]

Is it still possible to earn tokens there now?

[sonic dagger]

yes the arena leaderboard reward

And content creator reward if u apply

[worldly mist]

I feel like this take lacks understanding of how a ranked leaderboard plays out in video games

What Viper does is LITERALLY what every single other top ranked player does in every single other video game

[sonic dagger]

what bots

[brittle mountain]

I hope you guys would allocate more time playing the game instead of arguing online after game launched

[worldly mist]

Seeing as this is a DAO the debating is pretty important lol

[sonic dagger]

yes

debate is part of the game

[molten agate]

Not Mass Debate, Right Jaganite 😉

[sonic dagger]

mass debate, yes

this is a dao

anyone can post feedback/ideas/proposals

then we debate them, vote them

based on sentiment, community council vote the proposals
then main council vote them

so yeah mass debate is crucial in this process

welcome to the dao

and web3 in general

[lusty citrus]

It’s going to OT folks!

[sonic dagger]

OT?

[lusty citrus]

🥶

Super Bowl

[sonic dagger]

oh super bowl is going on?

[split lintel]

Overtime

[molten agate]

Some constructive input as to the state of this game, is that when something is created, and considered valuable, it must hold or continue to grow in value. The current state of this game is seeing a rapid rise in value both to the player base in general and those investors that took a chance on an idea. The concept that you get paid by the hour in a decentralised economy just doesn't fit the constructs of bringing value to the marketplace. Therefore we all must listen to the input of everyone. Not just those that we choose to placate in the hope they will go ask questions elsewhere. Everyone has validity without actively seeking it.

[sonic dagger]

getting paid by the hour?

[molten agate]

Do you value your time Jag?

You should, it's your most valuable asset.

[sonic dagger]

im so confused rn

[molten agate]

Every hour of my day is filled with value. Research, production, economics and creativity.

[sonic dagger]

while sleeping too?

and shower?

[molten agate]

Yes, I make a passive income

[sonic dagger]

okaay

[molten agate]

It could be likened to herding cats, except those cats are dollars

[sonic dagger]

weird flex but ok

[molten agate]

My point is you are on council right?

[sonic dagger]

yes

[molten agate]

Are you researching the market and not just this game?

[red geyser]

lol that’s all he researches

[sonic dagger]

[red geyser]

He’s a market oracle

[molten agate]

1 word, Alice, now without googling, what does that refer to?

[sonic dagger]

a person name

[red geyser]

Hahaha

Stop

[molten agate]

My Neighbor Alice

A web 3.0 game

[sonic dagger]

ok

[red geyser]

Please Explain how you are not marketing here

[molten agate]

I am not, yet someone on the council should be aware of every web 3.0 project that is currently in development

[sonic dagger]

nope

[red geyser]

Every… seems like weak soup

[sonic dagger]

do some more research ser

mam

or they

[molten agate]

Them will do 😉

[sonic dagger]

them

[red geyser]

Is bot are bots

[sonic dagger]

wow nice question

[molten agate]

Weak soup is not knowing. Remember, ignorance is not bliss, it's mounting disaster.

[hallow hawk]

Hey can anyone tell me is arena is free to play or not

[sonic dagger]

yea tell them namaste

it is free to play

currently

[red geyser]

You can find it on the EPIC game store

[hallow hawk]

Thanks

[molten agate]

Imagine this big monsterous thing lifting up in the sky and then crashing down in a perpetual motion. Someone may look and say well that's a stupid arrangement. Now you may criticise it and shake your fist at it, yet the first thing you should learn, is to get out from under it.

[sonic dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/jude-london-flying-lsd-acid-gif-10821217

[molten agate]

it's called your basic smarts

[sonic dagger]

wait what

[lusty citrus]

RIP 49ers

[molten agate]

Dang they lost, I'm sorry

I mean woohoo, we played the game and lost.

[sonic dagger]

ohh ive watched this movie, dnt look up

pretty good

[molten agate]

Transitional Procedure from web 2.0 to Web 3.0. Look it up. Let's protect the interests of this game by first doing the research of what is the future competition. A councillors responsibility, No?

[sonic dagger]

nope

[molten agate]

Wow, I cannot believe you just said that

[sonic dagger]

read the IIP about governance v3

[molten agate]

So you're effectively a police man for Illuvium

[sonic dagger]

im not

icc role is to gather sentiment

and present it to the IMC

[molten agate]

Help me comprehend your role. Without knowing future competition how can you convey an honest and fulfilling report?

[sonic dagger]

my job as council is to listen to the community

and i am invested in other web3 games

been playing mavia for 2 weeks

tried shrapnel

now waiting for pixelmon and pixels

tge

[molten agate]

There are people like me entering this community willing to take their place in the part of creating the type of of community you speak of.

[sonic dagger]

good

[red geyser]

See. We now have an Alice expert in the community.

[sonic dagger]

we'd love that

alice in wonderland?

[red geyser]

Jag does not need to be that expert

[molten agate]

I'm not disputing you at all I'm simply trying to work out if a councillor should in fact be researching the aforementioned items of interest.

[red geyser]

Nope. There’s been no significant sentiment yet.

[sonic dagger]

there are 10 seats in the council, each has their own

im a degen

i know nft market