💬〕general

[zenith fable]

stache was just sitting there being mad happy bout his video being great content

[near pier]

I'll never watch another Stache program

[covert arrow]

same lmao

[outer hull]

never invite him to any illuvitalks or wathever

[near pier]

Welcome Santi, did you get let go too?

[covert arrow]

Nah, still here heh

[near pier]

Thats good

[zenith fable]

Didnt watch much, on the merit for stache broadcasting this or did he join in saying stuff?

[near pier]

Naw just promoting lies flowing out of Wagners face hole

[summer crypt]

Well team there’s some motivation for you.

[stable trellis]

Yeah that was funny

[near pier]

We were all pretty calm about their failures, and then he just comes and attacks lol

Talk about projecting

[lusty mantle]

Who forgot to pay Stache 🤣

[near pier]

https://tenor.com/view/tarren-illuvium-tsg-gif-26768057

[lusty mantle]

Ofc

[spring oar]

I thought there was a tweet that said it did

[snow ember]

Stache is trying to play both sides. In one video his content is trashing Star Atlas and then 2 days later illuvium. Maybe projects shouldn’t give him exclusive access

[gilded path]

honestly lost interest in stache a long time ago after seeing what his pc looked like

[snow ember]

Just let the project speak for itself. This childish bickering just brings down the entire space

[stable trellis]

Well I mean he is a content creator.

[dusty plank]

Amen. When content creators peddling drama drive narratives, everyone is worse off.

[snow ember]

True but that doesn’t mean he can’t be held accountable

[stable trellis]

True, I smell what you stepped in. It's kind of a Kim Kardashian effect, he's doing what it takes to get people to watch his channel.

[zenith fable]

Damn okay, the first time stache brought up illuvium but at 31:40 michael brings up ILV himself and says "not only the product is bad but community is dead" 💀

[snow ember]

Yeah but to me it’s even more sleazy because the volatility of this industry is high and he knows it

[stable trellis]

Yeah I wish the best for both projects, as all ships rise with the tide.

[gilded path]

can finally consider myself a real zombie

https://tenor.com/view/yes-sweet-hell-yes-pump-it-gif-22136641

[zenith fable]

Only in web 3 can you lay off 75% of your company and then talk smack about another one a few days later lol, talk about priorities

[near pier]

Lol... oh man Wagner

kinda feel bad for the guy

obviously floundering

[obtuse panther]

Mmmm flounder

[novel oak]

Naw I don't feel bad for that guy, he knew investing customer funds into FTX was wrong but he did it anyways

[near pier]

https://tenor.com/view/shhh-quiet-dont-talk-gif-14255118

they don't want to talk about that

[summer crypt]

I listened to a little of their town hall yesterday and he said they were talking to VCs that were really interested in investing but unfortunately it didn’t work out 😂

[near pier]

I wonder why?

https://tenor.com/view/hmmm-thinking-will-smith-gif-18323173

[lavish orbit]

Well he is right about that🤣 we couple leagues higher

[sonic dagger]

@cosmic merliny

[near pier]

Are you Cagy? And this is your alt ser?

lol

jk jk youre actually knowledgable @sonic dagger

[sonic dagger]

is cagy no longer here?

[near pier]

hope not

[serene spade]

Pretty active in here 👀

[thin elbow]

just watched the wagner interview...
i really don't get why people have to shit on other projects. Like... if i hear someone talking like that, pretty much anything else coming out of his mouth can't be taken seriously.
i get it when a young content creater does that, but not a ceo of a multi million dollar company... like wtf... why?

[near pier]

lol I see you kept your job... one of the lucky 46

[fallow cradle]

It does sound familiar though... It took Kieran a few rounds as well tbh

[near pier]

Difference is he closed, which also shows Framework doing their DD made sense

[novel oak]

Dude showed his true self in this interview

[ruby kite]

Look guys I tried to steer Michael away from talking about Illuvium. It's not like I set it up.

I simply gave him a platform to tell his side of what was going on.

I'm also not trying to play both sides. I have my concerns about Star Atlas which I expressed in both recent videos.

I didn't think he would say anything about Illuvium, but since he did should I just not publish the content?

[near pier]

Naw you do you... I get it, just dont agree with it

[ruby kite]

I think the fighting is petty as well

[novel oak]

No everyone needs to see who this guy really is

[thin elbow]

yea... also playing down the effect it has on timelines if you fire 75% of your intern employes, would bring serious concern if i had invested in that company. At this point, honesty is worth everything.

[ruby kite]

Which is why, if you actually watched the video, you see me change the topic multiple times to be refocused on SA.

[near pier]

Honestly don't even think about SA on a day to day basis, apparently we are taking up a lot of space in Wagners head though

[ruby kite]

That does seem to be the case man.

[novel oak]

crazy that he shit on Illuvium, it has been months since him and Kieran's beef which looked to be squashed in their debate. Seems like Kieran lives rent free in that dudes head

[ruby kite]

I thought it was weird too...

I support both projects and at the same time have complaints about both as well.

[serene spade]

Idk man, you brought up Illuvium first. You sure?

[rich terrace]

Web3 discussion is currently star atlas laying off workforce. Not great discussion for them. Much better discussion for them would be Illuvium Vs SA. Not much point in interacting with it IMO.

[ruby kite]

I try and be as honest as I can, but if you don't want to watch my content or invite me to illuvium discussions the your loss for sure.

[vagrant inlet]

Hey guys, did I miss anything? Usually only have to read through 5 messages to catch up

[ruby kite]

I brought it up first because how he was trying to pitch their new pivot sounded VERY much like what Illvium is doing with 3 different games.

It made sense in the conversation to call him out on that.

[plain delta]

My perspective is most everything is fair game. I have no problem with it, not that you should care about my opinion. 👍

[novel oak]

Stache you should have asked him if he didn't gamble with customer funds would they still need to lay off staff 🤣

[spiral acorn]

Keep the content coming @ruby kite good or bad mouthing is publicity for Illuvium

[near pier]

The real questions

[thick jasper]

Nice to see all the different colours in here. So I put my orange in here too. 😄

[ruby kite]

I tried to keep the interview as professional as possible while still asking him the though questions.

[spiral acorn]

haters everywhere 🫣

[ruby kite]

No one is ever happy

[spiral acorn]

that is a state which requires a lot

[fallow cradle]

I liked it stash, I think you did great.

[novel oak]

I was just joking no need to had salt to the wound as the interviewer, I watch all your content and you are great

[hazy thorn]

Sheesh, that Wagner guy is just talking shit trying to find holes to poke. He said he has members that spend time on the discord like spying lol

[rich terrace]

I'm secretly SA

[daring jay]

I knew it

[hazy thorn]

I don’t spend much time on the discord anymore because of the bear market but that doesn’t mean we are not actively following the project

[rich terrace]

Delaying PvP a decade to give them a chance to get a few extra models in the hanger

[near pier]

More Ship Sales coming

Reverse Dutch Auction

fomo in

quick

[sage falcon]

I saw that, going to tell Wagner now. 🕵️

[daring jay]

here you got an answer why the PVP is delayed so much....
@rich terrace dude

[near pier]

https://tenor.com/view/shocked-surprised-door-open-guy-gif-20372895

[thick jasper]

https://tenor.com/view/star-atlas-gif-22185754

[zenith fable]

The craziest thing in all of this is the timing, right after probably the worst outcome of the project's entire history, he decides it's a great time to launch an attack lol

[novel oak]

Ben is a double Agent

[near pier]

He says its a bullish announcement

Their discord is stoked

[hazy thorn]

I thought the guy would have been more humble about the situation he is in. He went the childish route which put me off.

[zenith fable]

Im going to hope we can harvest 'COPIUM' from illuvium because i think earth has just lost its entire supply

[warm lantern]

guy is prob just coping about how wrong and reckless he was

[wispy kindle]

I herd the townhall yesterday......I mean...I recognize a snake oil salesman when I see one

[daring jay]

whatever, we just move on with our only NFT thing

[thin elbow]

i hope we hire soon our first blockchain dev, so we can go onchain soon

🤞

[wispy kindle]

Yes ser 🫡 so.......more #🚰〕leaks incoming 👀

[novel oak]

He is known to make bad decisions so it's on par with his character

[thick jasper]

Ok guys i need to go off. The new Witcher episodes are out.

[serene spade]

This is my favorite chat on the planet right now.

Let me come in as a blockchain dev, I’ve been practicing

[thin elbow]

Have Fun... Doing the Same, but need to Cook first

[wispy kindle]

https://tenor.com/view/star-trek-star-trek-tos-gotta-go-got-to-go-leaving-gif-16834365

[thick jasper]

Oh so food channel get more messages soon

[thin elbow]

Lol not today... Poor mans Food today 😂

[near pier]

If you get laid off, feel free to reach out

[humble dagger]

"Illuvium has never deployed a single program on IMX"

conveniently forgets that Illuvium has deployed an incredibly complicated contract on Ethereum, that had to be audited by Samcsun and hit the bytecode limit

[near pier]

And Illuvium Beyond runs fully on IMX

[wispy kindle]

https://tenor.com/view/distracted-roblox-gif-21407649

[silk heath]

ah mate that video was pure propaganda lol

i cringed the whole way through that mid section lol

[summer crypt]

@ruby kite appreciate your content and I’m sure you were loving the drama but you had a perfect opportunity push back a little and ask some tough questions. Let’s get him and kieran on your show for a debate.

[silk heath]

in his defence dude his business is content its not his job to have bias... but.... I cant help agree with you just a little 😛

[serene spade]

Round 2 eh? 👀

[humble dagger]

yeah I wonder if he truly believes what he is saying or if this is just marketing

[summer crypt]

Yeah I watch @ruby kite all the time. Definitely a fan

[ruby kite]

I honestly did not want to shit on someone more then I needed to. Was already a hard day for his company, I did ask questions that I thought were important. Illuvium was a tiny portion of the interview and was never the point of it.

[wispy kindle]

Noooo please STOP the drama. NO more debate keep him focused

[glossy elm]

Agreed, no need to incite more drama

[ruby kite]

I also agree

the drama looks petty and its unnecessary

[glossy elm]

Great work from @ruby kite

[summer crypt]

Fair point

[ruby kite]

can't blame me for capitalizing on it tho...

[near pier]

its solved...

[summer crypt]

Not at all, you do you and I’ll keep watching

[near pier]

ok just got done in their discord, level of delusion top tier... not even mad, quite impressed

[novel egret]

Thank you ❤️

[humble dagger]

"Illuvium had over 5 messages in General chat in over 2 hours"- I think this could be accurate though, Fraggy will be able to tell

[near pier]

He obviously didnt go to #💰〕token

Jag would be offended

[humble dagger]

haha

[novel egret]

I feel cheated how do you become Rich again here but King Dick everywhere else 😂

[near pier]

https://tenor.com/view/its-classified-tom-cruise-classified-private-secret-gif-9579704

[serene spade]

That’s Mr. dick king to you pal

[novel egret]

https://tenor.com/view/obama-fair-enough-nodding-yes-gif-5958816

[spring oar]

@near pier I saw a tweet about revdis...did it start?

[sudden dawn]

https://tenor.com/view/stukk-nodding-gif-19977521

[near pier]

Thats unfair though, SA team is currently dumping their tokens to fund development

[novel egret]

Down 98% is definitely better than down 99% I’ll give you that 🤝

[wispy kindle]

@sonic dagger stop slacking off

[hazy thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/get-to-work-work-simpsons-smithers-trendizisst-gif-15496843

[glossy elm]

We will cannibalize the Web3 Gaming Market over the course of the next year. Head down and focussed on the mission.

[rigid reef]

https://tenor.com/view/hannibal-mads-mikkelsen-gif-23972116

[near pier]

Too much fun

[sonic dagger]

wow chat is alive again

talking about other project

[near pier]

is it though

[sonic dagger]

u left me

[humble dagger]

talks for 15 minutes about star atlas
"any final words to wrap up the interview?"
I think Illuvium's product is bad and their community is dead

[near pier]

i would never

[sonic dagger]

u went outside

[near pier]

Never that

outside is dangerous

[sonic dagger]

[void spear]

https://tenor.com/view/awkward-weather-awkward-conversation-gif-14367865

[sonic dagger]

[zealous dew]

I would like to see more onchain innovation though

[sonic dagger]

[novel egret]

https://tenor.com/view/kitty-forman-debra-jo-rupp-laugh-meme-hysterical-laughter-lol-gif-24893555

[novel egret]

https://tenor.com/view/youre-welcome-gif-21319408

[near pier]

They use Solana so its hard for them to know

[hazy thorn]

Ouch

[novel egret]

Talk about something 👀

I can still see my GIFs 😂

That was 7 minutes ago 😂❤️

[gilded path]

https://tenor.com/view/something-rahul-dua-anything-object-kinda-gif-24002083

[novel egret]

https://tenor.com/view/wheelie-rollin-they-see-me-rollin-jeep-kid-gif-19615923

[wispy kindle]

k guys gotta run......let's leave the drama for the telenovelas

[summer crypt]

[I mean no offense with this question]

I want to know, who convinced their family and friends to invest in Polis/Atlas… are you still telling them to buy the dip?
From star atlas discord.

[near pier]

lol

[wispy kindle]

https://tenor.com/view/abell46s-reface-te-vas-a-arrepentir-me-vengare-venganza-gif-18735598

[novel egret]

You should definitely buy some POLIS 🤔

I’ll trade you some for like a monster egg or whatever you have 🤝❤️

NVM I don’t want a monster egg I’ll just give you some 🤝

[near pier]

Pls no, I have enoug ded coins in my burner wallets

[novel egret]

All that ILV huh 😂

[near pier]

that not in a burner wallet ser

[novel egret]

Down 98% is still 2% alive 🤝❤️

[tender kraken]

But do you have enough dead nfts? A useless ship nft could be a good addition. 😏

[novel egret]

https://tenor.com/view/true-gif-21006811

[summer crypt]

I mortgaged my house for a big spaceship nft, should I convince my family and friends to do the same?

[novel egret]

Jesus 😂

Bad call buddy 😂❤️

[near pier]

They stopped developing that part of the game

better luck in 10 years

[novel egret]

Be honest at least. Ignorance is cool, just don’t lie 🤝

[near pier]

Dont need your project updates here my friend

[novel egret]

Contradicting misinformation gets deleted 🤝

[near pier]

Your CEO is about as dishonest as they come

[novel egret]

Cool 🙏

Okay Richard 🤝❤️

[near pier]

Maybe stopped was the wrong word, SLOWED significantly

[novel egret]

2.2 still slated for this year with a ton of crazy stuff, 40 current UE5 devs 🤔

But yes, deprioritizing for now 🤝❤️

It’s expensive 😂

I can fully render a crazy giant commander ship in UE5 for you and give it animations and flight mechanics and you can fly it in an open test space. Or I can give you a game to play and do that later 😂

Choose 😂❤️

[serene spade]

Okay you gotta follow their discord rules brother 💀

[novel egret]

Aw Richard ratted me out 😂

That’s crazy man 😂

[summer crypt]

I choose your founder keeping his mouth shut

[near pier]

Naw I got better things to do, Dominic reaching out to you on his own

[novel egret]

Nah 😂

You’re good man 🤝

[novel egret]

What a world that would be! Web 3 founders STFU’ing 😂

[near pier]

We will see this year whos leading web3 gaming... wont be hard to tell whos got products and who doesnt

[novel egret]

Got you last year for best graphics 🤔

Let’s see!

[outer hull]

You forgot an emoji

[near pier]

I didnt even notice how many emojis he was using

lol

[outer hull]

I lost brain cells cos of that, so be careful

[summer crypt]

Best graphics in a game that will never launch goes to… Star Shatlas

[near pier]

it seems this is SOP for being in [DARK]

[novel egret]

We won it though 🤷‍♂️

All we can do is wait for this year 🤔

[summer crypt]

Looking forward to playing your Star Wars pod racer rip off

[novel egret]

From the Pokémon guys 😂

[copper zenith]

why are you here?

go talk shit elsewhere

[novel egret]

I forgot you guys existed until Richard visited us 🙃

Community building 🤝❤️

[near pier]

Same I forgot you guys did until Wagner spoke on us

[outer hull]

Needs attention

[novel egret]

Nah 😂

And seriously you are welcome. I’m like 60% of your Discord activity right now ❤️

[near pier]

And yours from what your discord said... we have one of you here too... @sonic dagger

[outer hull]

Dont insult jag by comparing him with this character

[copper zenith]

LOL I just watched the interview

[near pier]

true

[copper zenith]

what a joke

[near pier]

i'm sorry Jag

[warm lantern]

I didn´t catch most of this Star Atlas story, did they lose (gamble) more money on an exchange?

[novel egret]

Poor guy 😂

[summer crypt]

You discord is three people talking about a game with no funding, that will never launch

[copper zenith]

Literally zero vision of how to get to a complete game

[glossy elm]

I still can't believe a single individual had complete control of the SA runway... it could never happen here. Never.

[near pier]

This was addressed they want you to forget about it and buy more ships

[copper zenith]

Thank god we have a competent team

[warm lantern]

ah, cool, can I short those anywhere?

[novel egret]

Maybe 🤔

[copper zenith]

Thank you @glossy elm for all your great updates and congrats on the engagement

[glossy elm]

Thank you ser! Big love

[copper zenith]

Its deep in the bear and the team is head down focused on what matters... building

all the OG members are all here and supportive as ever

so yeah hearing Wagner talk about how ILV lives rent free in his head is hilarious

[near pier]

We need Kieran V Wagner Boxing match...

once and for all

same ring as Elon and Zuck

[glossy elm]

It's a great vision @novel egret , I'm wishing the SA Community and Team well despite the venom from Wagner.

Illuvium has an exciting couple of months ahead and that's where we're squarely focused, although having fierce competition certaintly keeps things interesting.

[serene spade]

That would be hilarious. Good for both teams as well. @near pier

[copper zenith]

Im tryin to see Grant box

After that IG post he had, dude is a brickhouse lol

[outer hull]

More like a rockhouse

[near pier]

That was my intitial thought but... Wagner doesnt stand a chance there, not that he does with Kieran either but I figured CEO battle

[thin elbow]

Rumors say kieran broke a rib when grant just was gently touching him, not sure he's the right man for a boxing ring 🤪

[warm lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/baki-oger-yujiro-gif-21956101

Kieran after 3 days gym prep for the match

[novel egret]

I’ve always supported you guys when you come up in SA as a very solid project. Nothing but best wishes 🤝❤️

[opal cliff]

WOOT

[near pier]

Woot woot

[opal cliff]

Are there quests or other in-Discord community activities here?

[near pier]

We have weekly events, Just had play with pros this morning, people got to learn about how @thin elbow optimises IZ Land for once open beta comes

Will have Arena PWP next week as well

in about 10 hours having Art with Rogier as well

https://discord.com/events/760344898200666112/1133111202491400232

[outer hull]

Arena pvp confirmed next week

[near pier]

Thats a W

lol

[outer hull]

Double v

[near pier]

PVVP

[outer hull]

Player versus versus player

[novel oak]

Oh so it will be 2v2

[outer hull]

Ohh makes sense

Biggest leak ever by Rich, who could have seen this coming

[hard trellis]

https://tenor.com/view/rumor-is-he-started-that-rumor-odafin-tutuola-law-and-order-special-victims-unit-he-started-the-rumor-theres-a-rumor-about-him-spreading-the-news-gif-23380889

[thin elbow]

was trying too at least 😂

[near pier]

Rumors are like assumptions

[outer hull]

So lets assume pvp is comin next week

https://tenor.com/view/pepe-frog-cave-gif-14781630

[hard trellis]

Bahahahhahahahahahah did two SA ppl try to come in here and talk shit. Aight no way

[near pier]

Tried yes

[hard trellis]

That’s incredible

[bronze stream]

they can make a boxing fight, i mean, it is what the people do this days 😆

[iron valley]

Can you link another wallet to your account? I have one linked but I want to use another one.

[fierce vine]

screw boxing, let's feed both CEOs some of these special chocolates and make them have a debate on livestream

winner is the true #1

[stray wind]

Can I ask one thing ? And its not hate and I really appreciate the answer 🙏🏻 I love the vision, the idea behind overlord, bringing Pokémon into auto chess and really- I love everything. But tell me 1 thing - why you put something that important as economic layer into boring, brainless clicker ? Don’t you agree that economic layer should be AAA level experience to make that economy work ? 🙏🏻

[near pier]

It’s really not brainless, much more complexity to Illuvium Zero than one might first think, even today I learned a lot from watching someone else play and optimising their land to produce the things they want efficiently

[stray wind]

For me it was easy to figure it out, and I hoping for some cooler mechanics, maybe make social layer - like negotiations with other land owners, maybe give us buildings that have utility around the ecosystem. Funniest part is that they put those lands on Overlord map and you can’t visit the land from overlord, so what was the purpose? The team focus on the game and token - seems to completely forget about making AAA economy

[tacit phoenix]

What is happening? Wagner revived the channel again

Ilv fanboys waking up from their graves to defend the project

[near pier]

There is a lot to come to Illuvium Zero still, its still in Alpha phase

[snow ember]

You literally setup it up 12 mins into the video. You then smirked, commented on the back and forth between the projects, tried to impersonate Kieran, and then put "Still better than Illuvium says CEO." on your vid title. C'mon man. Eitherway I think it's better to lift projects up then to have project owners take each other down.

[storm rain]

here

[azure narwhal]

Wagner group failed twice this year it seems

That’s a top tier joke and someone better give me my flowers

[near pier]

Also yes anyone can place the buildings down, but do you have all the blueprints? There is ways to optimise gameplay that is more complex than just placing required buildings

[azure narwhal]

Wow rich you’re just going to ignore my hilarious comment

[near pier]

Ser we played this out for hours already in their discord and here lol

You’re late

[azure narwhal]

Damn well I didn’t see anyone make that joke

Get it like the Wagner coup in Russia

[thin elbow]

More features will get introduced for sure in the future, Like social Stuff and maybe Battles etc. But first you need a stable foundation for the economy and then slowly adding some features. If you just throw in mechanics and all Kind of Stuff it is gona be a nightmare to balance all out, most likely gets exploited somehow, etc.
Don't forget it's Big money for majority of people at stake, if the invest in a land plot so you better Make sure to Set it up correct in the beginning and not Change Stuff all the time

[gilded path]

Fundament -> Foundation ?

[thin elbow]

Yea sorry... Autocorrection doesn't speak english 😂

[gilded path]

theres a reason i like to disable autocorrect every time i get a new phone lmao

[thin elbow]

What people also always forget is we are in Web 3 here... Assets are sellable nfts... It will be totally different to play after open Beta Launch, when you have to pay for ow Runs, and you get money for your sold fuel/blueprints, when you create your own Deck, lvl up the illuvials, sell an illuvial you don't need desperstly in your Deck, to buy one you really need to have for your Setup.

[thin elbow]

Yea, for discord would be nice for sure... But the thing is pretty clever in learning. Like, if i write to friends in real life in my mother tongue,sometimes i just have to push the proposed words and it weites an almost complete sentence in Like 2 seconds 😂

[gilded path]

i use chatGPT for that.....i mean i write authentic messages....

[hard trellis]

https://tenor.com/view/posterizer-blake-griffin-dunk-gif-14557465

[thin elbow]

Never used it in my Phone... Good hint

[gilded path]

the microsoft swift keyboard has chatGPT built in lol

[thin elbow]

Thats sweet...

I have Stock Android, so it's not really anything built in other than Google Stuff

[gilded path]

i had to install it from the playstore

[thin elbow]

Lol i thought MS swift is a Phone... So it's just a Keyboard APP?

[gilded path]

yep

[thin elbow]

Nice, gona try that

[manic osprey]

It seemed exactly like you set it up. You basically forced Illuvium into the interview, knowing full well the effect it will have. I get it, it's a long bear market and you need the clicks. It's sad to see that you value the extra 10 cents you make from the engagement more than the potential harm you cause for 2 of the biggest web3 projects. Then you come here and try to explain it, sad indeed...

[novel oak]

I think all it did was make that dude look stupid

[manic osprey]

That is true. But Star Atlas is not the enemy. The reputation of web3 games in general is the enemy. If this childish fight between 2 CEOs of the biggest projects continues, what image will it convey to a potential new player who will be looking at web3 games in the coming months?

[past jay]

I agree, this immature superficial influencer rivalry nonsense needs to be cut

It's degrading to both parties

[brazen heron]

If a tree falls in the woods and no one watches the video....

[gilded path]

how much wood would a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood?

[novel oak]

I disagree star atlas is the enemy, the CEO gambled with customer funds and lost 10 million dollars, now they might never be able to make the video game they promised. They are what is wrong with web 3 gaming, if they fail the investors who believed in them may turn sour and possibly never come back to web 3 gaming

[kindred badger]

did I miss some drama?

[novel oak]

ohhh yes

star atlas ceo making himself look stupid by talking shit about Illuvium

[thin elbow]

I don't follow sa really, but i liked the vision of them... was just too Big of a scope for me to really follow and invest in it at that time. And i read always they have a good community... So i guess it's not Star Atlas is the enemy, it's just their CEO which i don't Like AT all.

[young bone]

Why wouldn't we. It would be weird if we didn't. The two business models are completely different.

[kindred badger]

I see you guys have now been introduced to cryptostache lol

[snow ember]

more like Cypto stir the pot

[glacial glen]

nice, more upside potential for POLIS 💪

[young bone]

I thought he was okay. I haven't watched this video yet. It was 3am and my eyes were already red from jumping in to support Dr.Sooons stream.
It seems I missed a lot.

[novel oak]

you most likley wont like him after you watch the interview

[young bone]

That's a shame

[thin elbow]

Haha it was Kind of a mess, but appreciate it.
Gona do a YouTube vid covering all the Stuff in a more structured way at the Weekend.

[charred lily]

what a politician 😂

[young bone]

Awesome 😎 I thought you explained it well. I do have to watch it again though. I was half asleep. Yet I wanted to support you. 😊

[spring oar]

What is he saying?

[novel oak]

he talked shit about Illuvium, says we suck

[spring oar]

Lol

[novel oak]

https://youtu.be/kQs_eSlBDHA

[spring oar]

I'm more curious about this tweet of revdis starting

[novel oak]

sweet sweet revdis

[nocturne jay]

who tf fires over 120 people and then says the other games are doing a bad job 🤣 😆 🤷‍♂️

[feral canyon]

Can you play illuvium yet?

[novel oak]

Crazy right

[novel oak]

beta is out now

?beta

[narrow vigil]

Beta Access

You can register for the closed beta through this link: https://play.illuvium.io/arena

You can increase your chances of being selected for the closed beta of Illuvium by following these steps:

1. Achieve the <@&870923789985271828> (Level 5) status in the server
2. Get the <@&969492770102341634> role in #1038034977864032276 and promote Illuvium
3. Participate in and win the weekly trivia competition
4. Obtain the <@&1059575774589485116> role from Collab.land

[charred lily]

'' We lost millions playing with players' money + we're laying off 75% of our staff, but we have 100 messages/min in our discord and Illuvium 5... We're better than illuvium in the long run... ''. there are still crazy people to believe this 🤡

[nocturne jay]

mind blowing 🤣 can't even make this shit up

[young bone]

It seems like Star Atlas is using illuvium as a way to gain traction. My thoughts are he would beat it up if he didn't think it was good.
It's annoying though. Probably the only project I know that disses other games instead of working with them and bringing other quality games up.

[young bone]

The discord metric is weird.
Communication is fluid and saying it needs to be always maxed is ludicrous.
If people are constantly chatting, they are probably not playing the game.

[charred lily]

he said our community was dead ^^

but his staff is 75% dead 😂

[kindred badger]

How can he say our Discord is dead when we have Jaganite?

touche SA

[charred lily]

lol was talking about the '' général ''

[novel oak]

jaganite IS Illuvium discord, not sure who even talked in here without him 😄

[kindred badger]

https://tenor.com/view/futurama-nobody-thats-who-nobody-farnsworth-professor-farnsworth-gif-22941958

[charred lily]

So Star Citizen will be released before Star Atlas? 🙂 good luck

[charred lily]

I often wonder what life he must have. And it makes me a little sad

[dense grove]

Illuvium people are now busy playing Illuvium. I used to spend more time here before I needed to spend time in my land.

[hazy thorn]

Someone call Gary Gensler

[tribal gyro]

Sup ILV fam, I see I missed some drama today haha

[near pier]

Sara

[near pier]

https://tenor.com/view/brutal-savage-rekt-gif-9810801

[rough mauve]

Star racing is gonna beat illuium its gonna be te best racing game out there 😭😭😭

200 million dollar racing game 😭😭

[charred lily]

100 million, half of the money was lost in gambeling

[kindred badger]

lol it wasnt lost gambling

[crystal olive]

Just saw the @stache interview with Wagner. Three thoughts...
1 - Very good interview. We need Stache in this industry. He's one of the view broad-base metaverse channels busting ass in the bear market, and this should pay dividends later. It's motivating for a channel like mine, which is totally dragging ass, to get it together.
2 - There's nothing wrong with beef, I welcome it. Illuvium and Star Atlas are not even in competition with each other. Two completely different games.
3 - I really want Star Atlas to do well. It's good for Web3 gaming, which is good for all of us. This battle against Web2 is going to be brutal in the coming years, we need as many W's as we can get. Keep your eyes on the big picture here.

[young bone]

We had a massive chat yesterday

[near pier]

I just asked Wagner on their discord why they had 15m on an exchange and not personal wallets cause after all we all know "not your keys, not your crypto" his response, "this was already addressed, used for cash offramp" which sounds harmless enough. But why keep 15m there unless youre doing something like trading, staking for the apy, leverage etc. When we pull money for cash it goes from multi sig, to exchange offramp, to cash... probably on the exchange for less than 10 mins. So hes either lying, on what the intentions of having 15m on there were, or hes just plain dumb. Because if 15m of investor funds were on FTX for more than 15 mins and they just happened to get up in that 15 mins and they were planning to pull 15m in cash... thats the only viable excuse

[spring oar]

So it's true..people starting getting it?

[kindred badger]

I mean sure he can be lying about what was happening like FTX was

But its not gambling , if he is being truthful

[near pier]

oh youre saying trading isnt gambling I gotcha

I thought you meant what he was doing was ok

[young bone]

I just watched it. So many holes in everything Wagner said. I don't think we need to worry or respond or care at all. There were blatant lies and conjecture about illuvium. Yet time will sort that out.

[kindred badger]

meh I dont think its as bad as everyone likes to say it is

99% of people didn't see FTX collapsing

It wasn't some tiny obviously fraudulent exchange

[young bone]

Regarding Star Atlas I hope they do well. Wagner said they raised 200 mil from people. I hope they get a return.

[agile tapir]

Gm.

Why do the fun stuff always keep happening while I'm asleep. Dammit timezones!

[young bone]

It's a totally different game.
Also there are multiple space games ready to come out so they have competition from the same genre.

[young bone]

Lol. I think we are catching up.

[novel oak]

once the safety pool is full we will, like we did for the Land sale.

[agile tapir]

That was a long read and watched the clip of his tirade. Fun day for web3 gaming hahaha

[median raft]

was there a burn of Mega Disks recently?

[wispy kindle]

Problem with that stament is that you never put development money in any risky investment assets, ether liquid or short team low risk bonds ( if you are chasing yield). That is financial project management 101

[near pier]

Youre right is a was a massive fraudulent exchange lol

[kindred badger]

LOL touche

[kindred badger]

Whats Illuviums treasury kept in?

[near pier]

MultiSig

like I said above

lol

[kindred badger]

We hold an awful lot of ILV...

[near pier]

Would anyone in the world be ok with us holding those development dollars on, Coinbase, Binance, or any major CEX... the answer is no

[median raft]

did illuvium do a mega disk burn or something recently. My disk is gone and says "this assets is unavailable as it has either been bonded or removed from circulation"

[near pier]

I dont think so

[near pier]

We can't burn your d1sk from your wallet, try reaching out to support if something is missing #❓❓〕support ort

[median raft]

are people able to burn their own disk?

[kindred badger]

Yah obviously it wasn't ideal to hold funds on an exchange, but I dont really equate it to gambling

[near pier]

Yes it burns your disk when you load it

[median raft]

I bought the disk awhile back and havent touched it or loaded it ever

but there is an option to just burn it?

[near pier]

Thats the question though, why keep them on the exchange (for an extended period of time) unless your doing something with them there? Trading, leverage trading etc which can be seen as 'gambling' maybe not in the traditional sense but still not ok with others money

[near pier]

Loading it burns it, if you wanted to burn it with out loading it you would need to send to a burn address but it wouldnt show as burnt

if it shows as burnt it was loaded

[median raft]

does loaded mean it was opened/unboxed?

[near pier]

yes

[manic osprey]

Where do you see that message though? Because once you load a disk you don't see it anywhere anymore. Also, a disk cannot be bonded. Are you sure you are looking at the right thing?

[median raft]

my thing says it went to 0x0000... address and it was burned and I dont see any assets

I wish I could clip/screenshot but I cant

[young bone]

Lol. There wasn't much said. Yet what was said was just plain weird. I actually didn't like the interview. There were holes to explore and stache didn't. If they value the community so much it should have been pressed.
Plus saying you get 400 to an AMA is a show of support after such drastic action is a little on the nose.

[near pier]

?beyond-support

[narrow vigil]

How do I report an issue with Illuvium: Beyond?

To report any issues with Illuvium: Beyond, please contact us at http://link.illuvium.io/illuvitars.

[near pier]

If you provide your information here

they should be able to clear up any confusion

[median raft]

I am looking at my profile and it says I burned it 2 days but I dont see that I have any assets

[manic osprey]

If it was opened on your account you should see it burnt and the items minted in your account history, like on this image

[manic osprey]

If it only shows the burnt disk, it means you sold it and whoever bought it burned it since.

[median raft]

can I not link screenshots?

[wispy kindle]

Apples and oranges kind of situation but I will admit that not seeing audited financial statements from ILV goes against my instincts although they have proven themselves to deliver and respond well to adversity in the past

[manic osprey]

Nah, but you can upload them like I did

[median raft]

it wont let me upload either

I thinkI am too low level in the discord

[kindred badger]

Yes its definitely different but still a form of risk as we've seen with the market

[manic osprey]

If you only see the disk burnt (like the bottom one on my screenshot) it means it was sold or transferred to another wallet and opened there. Did you put it up for sale?

[median raft]

are you able to trade Mega D1sk to other people?

I didnt, I have a feeling it was transfered

[manic osprey]

Yes

[kindred badger]

It's all about risk tolerance/management and I'm with most people in thinking that yah it wasnt great what SA was doing but it wasn't some high risk maneuver at the time.

[manic osprey]

You should see that on Immutascan

Put your address in and you will see the transaction history

[median raft]

yea my shit got hacked a couple days ago. clicked 1 wrong link and everything was compromised about a week ago.

just curious if Illuvium team did some weird burn thing or if they got a hold of my stuff here too, I guess so

[manic osprey]

You most likely have your reason then. A disk is an NFT so a hacker could transfer it easily. The Illuvium team does not have access to anyone's account and can't burn assets like that

[old folio]

wen pvp

[analog beacon]

Hey, guys

Curious why you have beef with Star Atlas?

[near pier]

Not sure it's us as much as them...

https://tenor.com/view/greys-anatomy-meredith-grey-its-not-us-its-them-its-not-us-its-them-gif-20412937

[potent glacier]

I am watching some YouTube now and just saying WTF every minute...

That is all!

[narrow plank]

gm all

[kindred badger]

I literally only hear of Star Atlas when they are talking shit about us

So its gotta be on them

[potent glacier]

😆

Hello to all the secret invaders we have lurking in our discord 👋

[novel oak]

https://twitter.com/Fight4Ethereum/status/1684748908394684421?s=20

Fight4ETH ♊ (@Fight4Ethereum)

@staratlas CEO @at_mwagner is soooo humble 🤣

@KieranWarwick and @illuviumio lives rent free in this dudes head

@CryptoStache

▶ Play video

Twitter · Jul 28, 2023, 2:13 AM

[versed verge]

He's just trying to get in the spotlight again with those comments. Anyhoo, I sincerely hope they turn things around there.

[lusty mantle]

Lol why would you promote that this discord is dead 😅

[novel oak]

yeah because you quit Fraggy 🤣

[near pier]

Good thing # of discord messages shows how your project is doing

of course they are going to have a ton more messages... If kieran came out and said we are firing 75% of the workforce and slowing development significantly because we're broke... you'd surely see the 100 messages an hour hes touting

[lusty mantle]

Lol was dead way before that

Hmm not really, you already did the lay offs way back

[novel oak]

https://tenor.com/view/youre-dead-rainn-wilson-the-office-youre-done-its-the-end-of-you-gif-14693669

[kindred badger]

Thats exactly what Kieran tried to do regarding merch. Then it turned out it was including private internal channels lol

[near pier]

75%?

[near pier]

Yeah search function misuse

[lusty mantle]

Don’t think you shared numbers but no, not that much.

[kindred badger]

75% is a shitton

thats more than just standard layoffs

by many multiples lol

[lusty mantle]

Guess he went from 4 devs to 1

Anyway, not allowed to talk about other projects here

[near pier]

I dont think we ever said we were actually doing Layoffs in the sense of "we lost 15m and need to get rid of 75%"

[kindred badger]

Yah its way different

Layoffs/Hiring Growth is commonplace depending on timings. 75% is not normal....

[lusty mantle]

Just how many people are still interested, how tight of a community you have, …

[near pier]

Don't think thats a good indicator either, considering lots of people will sit on the sidelines and wait until open beta. Plus as I've been told some, people get turned off to the discord because of the actions of some community members in discord, while they 'follow the rules' some ppl just would rather not deal with them

[kindred badger]

And some people have been turned off to the Discord based on the actions of members of the moderating staff and team

We can play this game all day Rich

[lusty mantle]

Ah the same is being said about team members, same old story

Lol see

[near pier]

Tomato tomato

[dusty plank]

It can't be easy for SA to try and raise given the FTX situation. That situation is a hard sell to an investor.

It remains not good for the web3 gaming space for SA or any web3 gaming project to fail. I genuinely hope they can make it happen, Wagner's shade towards Illuvium reads a lot like envy to me.

[near pier]

I think there was only ever complaints about 1 moderation staff

[lusty mantle]

Lol

[kindred badger]

https://tenor.com/view/awkward-lol-gif-20709392

[versed verge]

The community ebbs n flows, as it does in most discords I've been a part of. Many things have reduced my input over the recent months, irl being super busy is the main one. The next big flow will be very soon with Wave2 and PvP on the horizon. Once Open beta and the bull run kicks off, as long as we have a good product being released (which we will I believe) then this place will be bouncing!!

[kindred badger]

PvP will certainly bring 'something' to this discord

Lets see what it is haha

[lusty mantle]

I hope there is an emote so I can fling my poo at you, only way I’ll ever 1v1 you

[versed verge]

It's all a wip so, I'm sure there'll be some negatives in here too, but all with the collective goal of giving constructive feedback for the benefit of the open beta release. Even then, there'll be heaps of improvements that can be made along the way. I'm sure we'll all be holding hands and singing together once we get our hands on it.

[lusty mantle]

Hopefully gaming council is already testing it and can get rid of some of the negative feedback before it gets out

[gloomy breach]

They raised in their own native currency. So in the end, they actually lost money due to tax (30 mill tax bill), and held the tokens down 99.9+%.

[little flax]

Called their bullshit from day 1 and I know there seems to be a sentiment of don't kick them when they're down but my lifetime of experience screamed absolute horseshit.
It was quite honestly the most mind numbingly insane thing I've ever witnessed in gaming and that's going easy on them.

Circa @full dome 2 years ago.....

The fact every investor didn't literally light themselves on fire and run the moment he revealed they had 4 internal devs on kierans vs Wagner's stream I felt sad on behalf of their community for buying into the delusion,
It was never even about the funding

[novel oak]

I love this movie

[potent glacier]

https://tenor.com/view/this-is-fine-fire-house-burning-okay-gif-5263684

[little flax]

https://tenor.com/view/feelings-i-am-crazy-pills-gif-19623103

[lusty mantle]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/791148476218081321/1002679533016719420/5a6bb11a-51fa-45a1-ab55-c9e830452758.gif

I believe this was the reaction

[novel oak]

Kieran kept his debate about facts, Wagner now has resorted to name calling 🤣 . the man is falling off a cliff and looking to take someone with him

[zenith fable]

It was the hardest he went at ILV to date

[novel oak]

https://tenor.com/view/jennamarbles-funny-gif-4593065

[little flax]

There was never a challenge and they were never competition

Pisses me off just hearing that dude open his mouth and spew

Rookie shit

[novel oak]

https://tenor.com/view/rookie-deputy-travis-junior-reno911-amateur-newbie-gif-23571674

[zenith fable]

The funniest thing i seen in their chat was them boasting about their runway being longer now and now they are a more attractive proposition due to that

Almost ignoring the fact..that 75% of their team got nuked, like it has no impact on whatever little development they had going on

[little flax]

You can't outsource star citizen on the blockchain, it's just crazy pills

[lusty mantle]

Did you pull an all nighter again Grant?

[junior blaze]

https://tenor.com/view/climbing-viralhog-go-up-cat-wall-climbing-gif-17521564

[little flax]

They are the driving force in Web 2 hating all crypto games, a meme that never even took off and I say that with illuvium also contributing greatly

[lusty mantle]

Arthur?

[little flax]

In cryptos desperation every project made a lot of mistakes that look terrible to Web 2

[gilded path]

Feel like im in the minority by not paying attention to SA, ILV's fair start and economy structure is what caught my attention, not a fan of presales and promises

[little flax]

But outsourcing everything, I'm sorry but just throw me in a mental asylum

[simple patrol]

Best thing is to ignore it and don’t feed the cryptostash drama

[novel oak]

I guess most people dont understand outsourcing=bad

especially when you have a slick talker making it sound like a good thing

[little flax]

Slick talker?

🤣

[gilded path]

Feel like ILV will set a standard web3 games in much the same way the first F2P + microtxn games did in web2, but now ur assets aint imaginary on a corporate spreadsheet

[novel oak]

yeah wagner was spinning the idea of having outsourcing into a good thing

he talks like a politician

[little flax]

Well they lost sperasoft so let's see if they can maintain any kind of standard internally with their 4 devs.

[near pier]

1 now

[little flax]

How ironic is it that all that's left are their minigames

[kindred badger]

Damn so much shit talk and it's not even me doing it

[little flax]

I'm holding back

[kindred badger]

Unleash it

[novel oak]

we gotta pass the time somehow,

[hazy thorn]

I always saw Grant as the calm quite one😂

[kindred badger]

Give in to the dark side

[novel oak]

naw that is Aaron

[little flax]

https://tenor.com/view/billymadison-frustrated-gif-18863469

Omggggg I'm watching the video now with stache

I can't

[glossy elm]

It's wild

[little flax]

I saw your nice comment Nick lol

[hazy thorn]

Just watch it lol. He makes himself look bad by shit-talking after firing 3/4 of his team🤷‍♂️

[glossy elm]

☮️

[novel oak]

Nick is the peace maker

[glossy elm]

I've been battling to not comment on his retweet on twitter about Star Atlas being a better game.

Fighting every urge

[little flax]

Just unleash

SA is a nightmare for crypto and our industry

They literally made all our lives much harder

[glossy elm]

I was going to suggest he takes what little funds remain, buy ILV, stake it and extend his runway using RevDis once we launch our games

[near pier]

I’m just glad grant is as angry as I was today

I had to go to their god forsaken discord

Talk to a bunch of delusional bag holders

[hazy thorn]

SA didn’t do developing web3 games any favors for sure😞

[little flax]

I'm not angry in a sense, I'm more boiling with rage on behalf of the Scientology of crypto making it this far

[lusty mantle]

Did you say hi to WF?

[near pier]

Negative she’s blocked

[storm rain]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/791148476218081321/1131056693254565978/ezgif.com-add-text.gif

[lusty mantle]

Morning Capache

[little flax]

And make no mistake, all crypto games are a risky investment, including illuvium.
When people ask me what the hell happened when we ballooned, I honestly say it was tulip mania, it made zero sense and humanity clearly went insane HOWEVER, it doesn't mean we didn't deserve that hype at a future date.

[storm rain]

Morning froggo

[potent glacier]

https://tenor.com/view/encanto-pepa-madrigal-we-dont-talk-about-bruno-no-no-no-disney-gif-24935713

[lusty mantle]

Ser you have it in your name 🤣

[young bone]

Ouch

[potent glacier]

An odd coincidence 😆 WF = WildFire 🔥 in my eyes lol

[novel oak]

@inner topaz has been oddly quite about all this, I guess he is choosing the high road but there is no entertainment value in that 🤣

[near pier]

Not odd at all… @split lintel

Wait

[young bone]

It felt like Wagner was baiting for another discussion. What a great way to get more media. Stir the shit. Just ignore him. Its not worth it.

[near pier]

He removed his wf?

[potent glacier]

https://tenor.com/view/wtf-dafuq-what-the-shocked-gif-16230812

[near pier]

Also, the sad part is their literally so delusional they don’t see the slow rug from Wagner… there is a meme that describes exactly what will occur from here moving forward with SA

I just gotta find it

[little flax]

All publicity is good publicity- said every loser ever

[split lintel]

Let's play nice

We need to bury the hatchet

Itll.make Wagner look worse

The rest of their community are not bad people

I know its hard but let's try please

[near pier]

But basically next step is Wagner turns them into a DAO since they aren’t already and then lays it on community to develop the game they ran out of money to develop

[young bone]

Lol.

[near pier]

And then Wagner sails off into the sunset 🌅

[split lintel]

Honestly if they switched up ceo they'd probably be better for it. Something feels off with Wagner in general

[little flax]

"Play nice" is such a council comment haha

You know you don't want to

[split lintel]

Im angry too.believe me

[little flax]

Sick of this bullshit and fire dampening

[split lintel]

I like to play mind games

If u want to actually cause danage

There are better ways to do it

[little flax]

Like Waggy?

[split lintel]

This conversation is literally all Waggy

[near pier]

Scoriox… get mad

[split lintel]

We literally have the high ground

[near pier]

Be mad

[split lintel]

And he's dragging is down to their level

Thats the fastest way to pose

Lose

[little flax]

How? Did he fire 80% of our team

[split lintel]

No his comments on stache

[junior blaze]

only 75% of his team I think

[split lintel]

We looked great in comparison

[little flax]

Phew

[split lintel]

But if we now go start Dumping shit

We won't look better

We will look stupid

[potent glacier]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-gif-20945836

[near pier]

They are literally selling their tokens, dumping on their community to pay for their mistake of losing 50% of runway on FTX lol

[little flax]

Only if we also fail, which is a possibility, just a touch less likely.

[split lintel]

I do want to genuinely ask tho

How did they spend 200m?

[near pier]

They lost half lol

[split lintel]

100m?

I thought they lost like 15m

[near pier]

15m

30m was all they had left

[split lintel]

Yeah but how

[wicked nova]

FYI, Blizzard had nearly 1,000 developers working on Diablo 4.

[split lintel]

How do u spend 170m

[little flax]

Who knows, I'm talking shit but like I said it was never about financials

[glossy elm]

With all that said about playing nice, we're working everyday with the intention of dominating this space, burying their project, and eating their market share.

[little flax]

Even if they lost nothing

[potent glacier]

How long before this is reported back through their "admin spies" 👀 lol

[split lintel]

Trust me when I say playing nice is the fastest way to do that

[near pier]

@serene spade and @covert arrow next on the chopping block don’t worry

[split lintel]

Look I serious want to build strong and healthy connections with their community

[little flax]

Why should we trust that opinion man

[split lintel]

Just cause Wagner is kinda douchey doesn't mean the rest of them are

There's good people there

[near pier]

There is a bunch of good ppl here too that Wagner seemed to think were unimportant

[glossy elm]

Best PvP is business PvP

[little flax]

I personally feel web 2 would rather see a war. A fight to the death. May the best crypto game emerge and earn its place

[split lintel]

Attacking them isn't gonna make their runway drop faster

[potent glacier]

End of this year going to be HYPE!! 🔥

[young bone]

There is a lot Wagner has to answer for. The interview was poor. Most likely a set up.

Good luck to them.

What he said was far from reality.

[novel oak]

no one is attacking the community, just the dumb ceo

[near pier]

Naw they will put it on another CEX that does that for them

[serene spade]

👀👀👀

Y’all still talking about us?

[young bone]

Web2 would just see it as confirmation that we are all shit.

[split lintel]

I do wonder what stache actually had on the agenda. I hope he didn't fuel it for clicks

I didn't get that impression tho

[potent glacier]

https://tenor.com/view/pedro-monkey-puppet-meme-awkward-gif-15268759

[near pier]

Of course he did

[serene spade]

We didn’t mean to hit a nerve fr. Good luck to your Pokémon game!

[little flax]

There is a point where they will welcome 1 of us into the gates of heaven

[young bone]

I thought it was a poor interview on his behalf.

[split lintel]

🤣🤣🤣

Oh god

[wicked nova]

Didnt look like stache was setting ILV up there to me.

[potent glacier]

https://tenor.com/view/gotta-catch-em-all-gif-5662253

[split lintel]

Agreed

[little flax]

Stache simply playing the game lol

[young bone]

Maybe.

[split lintel]

I'd argue comparison is one of the best marketing tools

If every other Web 3 game is gone we have no one to compare too

We need star atlas to promote healthy competition

Then we need to be better and that's a great tool

[little flax]

I've never disagreed with you more

[split lintel]

Fair enough

[near pier]

Maybe it’s time grant votes in elections. Lol

[split lintel]

I do feel for all their investors which are down bad

[serene spade]

We never responded to their shit talk because we don’t think comparing ourselves to Illuvium is beneficial to us but after awhile of us living rent free in their head, we had to respond.

[young bone]

I totally think it's fair to point out the badness of the model, and how no one actually wants that.
Surely there are better ways though.

[split lintel]

U tryna get me off council? 🤣🤣

[near pier]

You think it’s bad now?

[little flax]

Scoriox knows deep down in his soul lol.

https://tenor.com/view/i-believe-jum-carrey-gif-5640343

[split lintel]

❤️❤️❤️❤️ I know you are angry. Believe me what Wagner did is out of line

[young bone]

There are more space games on the horizon. Illuvium is not even the same genre.

[split lintel]

If he does it twice

Then it's game over

Im going for the jugular

[near pier]

He did it twice in the same interview lol

[split lintel]

1.5 times

Cause same instance

[little flax]

Does what twice?

[split lintel]

Unprovoked bs

[little flax]

Come at us?
Fate it seems is not without a sense of irony

[zenith fable]

Might be an unpopular opinion, but the personality of all the warwicks, especially Kieran is a major strength

Sure, sometimes it can bite us in the ass but it really does make the project's leadership unique and raw

[split lintel]

Very true

[near pier]

It’s what attracted me originally to the project

Zero fucks given warwicks

[young bone]

Not setting ilv up. Yet paving the way for another 'show down'
I think it's bad interviewing to let lies fly without a swat.
Poor research
Poor investigative questioning.

[potent glacier]

https://tenor.com/view/office-gif-9384820

[little flax]

What our team does should have been the reason 😞

[glossy elm]

Me also, no bullshit.

[near pier]

I’m saying the beginning

When there wasn’t much but the idea and Kieran Danny and Aaron on telegram

That’s where I started

[novel oak]

Same the Warwick brothers is what brought me in and the team has kept me here

[split lintel]

Where's Atlas based anyways? Not the US I hope?

[potent glacier]

But which is yo fave? 🤔🫣

[split lintel]

That would stress me out

[little flax]

Fairy Land

[split lintel]

🤣🤣🤣

[storm rain]

i meet peter pan there

[split lintel]

Was he flying a 1000$ ship or 10000$ ship

[potent glacier]

Waiting for your vote 😆 looool

[young bone]

Web2 will come over when they see it working. Nothing else.

[novel oak]

anyone else thinks its funny we have an Illuvial named Atlas and we have a bitter rivalry with another game called star atlas ? 🤣

[potent glacier]

[storm rain]

10000$

[split lintel]

In the racing game we can make a spaceship vehicle and call it the star atlas

[near pier]

I haven’t met Grant in person he avoided me in Australia, but @inner topaz is my favorite Warwick lol only because we have similar interests and I’m not smart enough to understand a lot of Aaron stuff

[mellow creek]

What happened? Haven’t seen chat this active in a long time

[split lintel]

https://tenor.com/view/wandavision-wanda-come-here-sit-down-please-gif-20734028

[little flax]

Also Atlas is an axolotl (what axies are based on)

[storm rain]

i hate kieran bc he kick me from the private group of telegram

[agile tapir]

IYKYK

[split lintel]

I didn't know axies were based on axolotls

[zenith fable]

imagine how star atlas would feel when the illuvium atlas ends up more famous than their entire project ☠️

[agile tapir]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-more-gif-21856591

[little flax]

I love how literally every person playing nice is being pulled in 🤣

[glossy elm]

https://tenor.com/view/gat-druk-vortex-gif-18787606

[agile tapir]

I honestly wondered if you guys ever thought of that when you were choosing a name or was it all orchestrated

[serene spade]

They’re welcome for the most activity they’ve seen this year. It’s our duty as the leading web3 game. 🫡

[near pier]

Like I said I had to go to their discord and actually ask the questions they didn’t want asked… why are you ok with your ceo losing 15m of dev money and then laying off 75% of the development team? Answer? We’ve addressed this already

[little flax]

https://tenor.com/view/interstellar-edurance-black-hole-blackhole-gif-19755562

[copper zenith]

You should probably find a new job - paychecks might not be cashing soon

[little flax]

The universe willed it

[storm rain]

https://tenor.com/view/its-expensive-dana-white-gif-24944177

[near pier]

Why is it ok your ceo is dumping both your project tokens on your community?

🤔

[serene spade]

You seem upset

[near pier]

To fund development

[copper zenith]

You seem like a gaslighter

[near pier]

Why do you need more funds

Oh yeah question 1

[potent glacier]

Not a single person made the connection....

[azure narwhal]

Was there a second debate or something why is SA still being talked of

[potent glacier]

Leading the way to failure 🫡

[near pier]

Wagner debated himself on why he thought Illuvium was a bad project

[gilded path]

only star atlas i care about....

[azure narwhal]

When though

[mellow creek]

Rent free

[near pier]

Yesterday or today not sure anymore

[azure narwhal]

Oh that’s not a good look is it recorded somewhere

I’d like a good laugh

[potent glacier]

Crypto staches video

[split lintel]

Considering shiny shards almost got voted in. I don't think it was orchestrated. And I hadn't considered it no...

My oversight

[little flax]

He outsourced the debate to stache

[storm rain]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1119388974230810705/1119744643098230784/Recording_2023-06-15_000028.gif

[copper zenith]

Pretty disappointed stache didn’t defend Illuvium knowing we had launched products on the blockchain

[agile tapir]

fair enough. 😄

[near pier]

Stache is a paid monkey

[copper zenith]

But staying neutral is good for business

[split lintel]

What do u guys actually think about atlas being all onchain?

[serene spade]

You guys are paying that guy too 💀

[little flax]

He's a content creator, he knows what drama means for his channel

[split lintel]

Well their 3d models wouldn't be onchain obviously

[near pier]

Wrong

[copper zenith]

Facts

[split lintel]

But wouldn't fees slowly drain from their account

[kindred badger]

Here's an easy thing to do. Stop watching shitty influencers content

[split lintel]

Like a human tax

[little flax]

It's like hating a fighter for shit talking to sell a fight

[copper zenith]

Yet again more false info - seems on par for y’all

[storm rain]

oh mai

[split lintel]

Wait hold on

We need shitty influencers too

🤣🤣🤣

How would @junior blaze get views

[storm rain]

im starting this week calm down

[serene spade]

Oh ya? Just remember who started this whole thing and kept it going. YOU.

[copper zenith]

Why do you keep only responding to me?

[serene spade]

You’re the one responding to me… lmao

[split lintel]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-gif-26024664

[little flax]

You guys definitely ended it 🤣

[serene spade]

True 😏

[storm rain]

https://tenor.com/view/captain-phillips-im-the-captain-now-look-at-me-pirate-gif-9267084

[mellow creek]

Brother you had a guy on his previous stream 😂

[copper zenith]

Anyways I love this community and fk the haters 🫡

[mellow creek]

C’mon if you’re gonna have an opinion at least stick to it

[glossy elm]

This just folded me 🪦

[split lintel]

Lol u think we paid to go get 2000 views

[copper zenith]

Night y’all it’s late on the west coast

[split lintel]

For something nothing to do with illuvium

[serene spade]

You should be thanking us! We revived it for you!

[agile tapir]

he could talk about token price for the views 😛

[gilded path]

ok, gotta sleep as alive as the chat is 🤣 , plan on putting more thought into the Beyond Tiles game after work tomorrow

[little flax]

https://tenor.com/view/shooter-mccgavin-gif-24243676

[mellow creek]

My guy when did I say anything about paying, look at what your boy is typing

[split lintel]

https://tenor.com/view/burn-kelso-that-70s-show-gif-26311276

Got meh

I need aloe vera

[narrow plank]

i'm watching the interview now. it is so bad. Wagner is still hoping for a bull market and pull in 80 million a month. does this guy listen to himself?

[agile tapir]

Was hinting at on chain gaming tbh but ill allow this too LOL

[potent glacier]

You going to end your videos saying this to the camera 😆

[split lintel]

Bahahahh

Fair fair

[oblique lake]

Hey guys

[split lintel]

I like to think of it glass half full. If they can pull 80m a month so can we. 10$ per token monthly. That's bullishhh

[near pier]

Doesn’t mean we paid him lol

@junior blaze enlighten this guy

[mellow creek]

[junior blaze]

Not trying to get involved.

[near pier]

Imagine looking like this when asked about you copying the Illuvium model

[mellow creek]

You guys get waaaay to emotional in comparison how you enjoying your cofounders talking shit 😂

[junior blaze]

Let them believe whatever they want. They just let go of 75% of their team. They must be hurting.

[young bone]

There was a stack of stuff said without back up.
What Wagner was referring to is probably going to take a lot longer than he hinted. Switched from the full game and new users to web3 only. Smelt like a profit haul then a bail out.

[potent glacier]

https://tenor.com/view/kermit-darkside-star-wars-evil-innerme-gif-14818845

[young bone]

Agreed. It's school ground conversation. No substance all puff.

[split lintel]

Agreed

[sage falcon]

someone needs to tell this Wagner guy how the discord works in illuvium. Last place I usually go is the general chat. Our game is so big we have many channels ( illuvium beyond e.g ) where one can go direct and chat there. Those channels are alive and well

[potent glacier]

Off to bed for me ! Have a great day everyone!!

[young bone]

They have a right to express their opinions. Your CEO does a great job of it.

[split lintel]

It could be a fun comparison to see how active each disc is holistically

[sage falcon]

exactly

[split lintel]

Theirs is pre active tho

[mellow creek]

“Our game is so big”

[zenith fable]

He should compare the total value locked of ILV vs Polis 😄

[sage falcon]

for lack of a better word, what would you suggest?

[split lintel]

Im working on imx game tier list

Can I pick your brain?

[zenith fable]

sure send through a dm

[young bone]

I don't think it matters. Star Atlas is a very different game. If It ever becomes a game.

[near pier]

They have a jaganite that stays active too

[zenith fable]

hahahha

[young bone]

Lol

[daring jay]

loving it lol

[mellow creek]

It’s a simple game wanting to implement basic web3 elements that’s only stood out due to first movers advantage

[junior blaze]

That's gold

[storm rain]

my one is longer

[zenith fable]

imagine jaganite meeting signal

[sage falcon]

simple game aye

[zenith fable]

would the earth stop spinning?

[mellow creek]

Oh god you have a signal in your server

[near pier]

They are the same person

[agile tapir]

Thats a thriving community right there 😛

[minor mica]

Y’all burnt out!🤣

[near pier]

I don’t put that on @sonic dagger I actually like him

[young bone]

Is this going to be a thing.
Star Atlas against illuvium. Illuvium against Star Altas.
My dick is bigger than yours.
Is all I hear.

[storm rain]

nono

[mellow creek]

Yes the scope and concept are very basic

[storm rain]

my one is longer

[mellow creek]

Wouldn’t you say?

[storm rain]

trust me

[sage falcon]

you should join the team. We would have released already by the sounds of it

[storm rain]

they call me yvng dagger something

[agile tapir]

It has to play out naturally and just fade away after a few days. It was the same with the debate.

[young bone]

All I want to do when I hear this crap. Is build my ilv and dip out when the market is worth it.

[sonic dagger]

ur gonna leave us?

[young bone]

It's hardly a debate

You would like that. No I'm too stubborn.

I think it's worth staying.

[sage falcon]

a luke warm dance around ask soft questions bs interview. no hard discussions at all.

[agile tapir]

True but the aftermath was the same with whats happening now. In other words, when people are tired of talking about it, itll soon be forgotten. Till then this has to happen.

[little flax]

What I find funny is the announcement they made could have been heavily compressed into "we fired sperasoft"
Am I wrong in saying that's where 75% of their team came from?

[young bone]

100 percent. The reaction is exactly what Wagner wants. People are bored so they need crap to talk about.

[mellow creek]

Why are you talking to yourself? 😂

[agile tapir]

Alternatively, if they fired the 3 devs out of the 4 they'd still be right 😄

[storm rain]

4 unreal devs

[young bone]

He littlerly said. 'lets not over emphasise we sacked 75% of the team. Like it's nothing. Sheesh.

We still have external teams. No data.

[near pier]

They don’t want us sniping their team he’s said this before

[hazy thorn]

I didn’t like the words the Wagner guy spewed out but I think we should move on. We don’t need to go down to his level. How can he even smile after firing 3/4 of his team and be so low as to talk crap about another project?🤡

[little flax]

Because getting rid of an outsourced team is far less personal

[young bone]

Misdirection. Take eyes somewhere else.
It's a totally different genre.
It's just cheap shots.
There are space games ready to go that will most likely leave them dead in the water.

[hazy thorn]

I guess. If 75% of his team was outsourced then he didn’t really care as he didn’t see them in person. I still wouldn’t feel good about firing anyone let alone that kind of number.

[mellow creek]

Please do share which ones

[young bone]

Sure give me a minute.

[tacit phoenix]

I guess I will go to hell, but I love this drama it fires up the engines

[little flax]

As fucked as it is I've literally had to remove friends from Illuvium and while it still sucks terminating an outsource contract (which we have also done) it simply doesn't compare.
I am not hating on sperasoft, they do great work but they're acting like sperasoft was their team. Bullshit

[near pier]

All my friends will be there so it should be fun

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/791148476218081321/1131056693254565978/ezgif.com-add-text.gif

[agile tapir]

Whats surprising is the spin on the narrative. UE5 game is slowed down almost to a halt and focused on the web and mobile games. Not sure how that makes things okay.

[hazy thorn]

The claims he made about his team are truly outlandish. The guy is like a politician or president who promises and never delivers😕

[young bone]

Space nation is one.

[near pier]

No man’s sky probably 10x Better

[young bone]

Agreed. And then said they are still somehow working on a game with the Devs left.

[tacit phoenix]

They are not in our league. They are in the dreams league. Literally

[agile tapir]

Starfield!

[mellow creek]

Oh god, are you serious?

Why do most you correlate speed to quality

It’s insane 😂

[young bone]

Lol. It's addictive. I want to get in too, yet also don't want to become like a guy who looks like senator palpatine

[mellow creek]

Brother you really want to bring in web2 games that are better than yours 😂

C’mon my guy you know better

[young bone]

Because they have 50million in funding before selling anything

[mellow creek]

Cool?

[young bone]

Omg that looks amazing

[mellow creek]

So any vc backed game is automatically good?

That’s the metric now?

[young bone]

Not necessarily, yet it does show they have been rigorously looked at to get that.

There are more and I will reply.
Yet I need food.
My main point, you can't compare the two games, the tokenomics, the genre are completely different.

It actually feels a bit mental that its even happening.
The main issue has always been around the business model. Not the game.

[mellow creek]

In that I completely agree

[young bone]

I don't even know why Star Altas peeps are here or even care what we think.

It's all just smells like marketing.

[near pier]

Wagner said he deployed spies

[mellow creek]

And you went over there to make friends right?

[young bone]

I know, that's so funny and weird. Like illuvium has a plan to destroy them.

Like they even could. It's happening on its own.

[near pier]

I been there, was interested before the debate because I had never even heard of you guys due to you being built on a terrible L1 - SOL

[copper ermine]

Is zero out or still in beta?

[mellow creek]

Brother you’re on eth and you want to talk about L1’s

Don’t do this to yourself please

[young bone]

I looked at Star Atlas ages ago, yet never invested because the scope was too far away and the price too high.

[young bone]

L2

Again. No research.

[little flax]

At least we still on UE5 😞

[mellow creek]

Do you even read what I type?

[young bone]

Never like the business model.

[young bone]

What did you type. Do you think we will use L1?

[mellow creek]

Brother you can be in 3D if you like your concept is still pokemon 😂

[young bone]

Which is massive. Different genres.

[near pier]

Alpha status currently

[zenith fable]

Too soon 😂

[mellow creek]

And leagues

[old folio]

I ever got into star atlas because it was basically "let's copy the game with 500mil in funding over 10 years that's buggy and janky af then add a layer of crypto on it. Like wut

[young bone]

In your opinion.

[near pier]

I played star citizen after researching star atlas and was like I’d still rather play no man’s sky lol

[young bone]

It's possible that good games exist side by side. Like they do now.

[mellow creek]

Would 100% of humans rather play Pokemon than this game yes or no

[young bone]

Anyway I've had enough. It's a circle argument. That's not really worth it.

[near pier]

You’re right, you guys are in that league that ran out of money because the founder blew all the money

[mellow creek]

https://tenor.com/view/wall-talking-talking-to-self-alone-lonely-gif-5869985

[young bone]

It's impossible to say. A lot of people played eve. A lot of people play fortnight. Very different games.

[zenith fable]

You’re comparing a finished product with decades of IP behind it, to an unfinished one

Difference is, ILV can actually have the chance to develop

SA? No chance in hell

[young bone]

I guess that's referring to yourself.

[hazy thorn]

Not really. I’m very nostalgic about Pokémon but can’t play the terrible games anymore. They lost creativity and all Pokémon are easily hacked at perfect IVs (stats). That is why Illuvium is such an attraction for me.

[mellow creek]

I love how quality of concept is something you always stay away from discussing

If would though if I was on your side

Can’t blame you

[young bone]

Concept doesn't mean execution.

[near pier]

I can conceptualize being a fuckon unicorn, doesn’t mean any amount of money is gonna make that happen, and especially losing half the money

[hazy thorn]

Can’t hack perfect stats on Illuvials when they are NFTs. It’s a game changer

[little flax]

I've never argued about the concept but the execution.
How can you defend SAs execution after that announcement?
Illuvium as a concept might end up sucking and might end up failing but we will make it to the finish line because we didn't enormously shoot ourselves in the foot by outsourcing everything.

If anyone at SA thought outsourcing basically entirety of UE dev was a great idea then once again, it's just pure laziness or delusion.

[mellow creek]

Brother you had the same runway we do now a few months ago what are you talking about 😂

[little flax]

I'm not talking about runway...

[mellow creek]

You want to get on your high horse as if you weren’t bleeding cash and hat to cut team members too even though you always had a much smaller burn and team

C’mon

[little flax]

I'm saying the SA team was 75% sperasoft

[mellow creek]

And you would be wrong

And that’s fine

[little flax]

How many sperasoft were working on SA.
At the time of his interview with kieran, wagner himself stated 4 internal devs and sperasift

He claimed sperasoft like it was his own internal team

[near pier]

This guy isn’t even team grant he’s a fan boi that only gets what Wagner feeds him

[glossy elm]

Meanwhile we have 150 psychopaths that hold tokens and work 16 hour days

[near pier]

And obviously as we’ve seen you can’t trust what Wagner says because they would’ve known and revolted if he told them 50% of funds were sitting on FTX

[mellow creek]

Brother please don’t try to come at me sideways I’ve probably put in like 10x what the warwicks feed you a year

[little flax]

Like I'm not even defending all our actions, we have made huge fuck ups too but nothing comes even close to deciding to outsource our entire fucking game to another studio

[mellow creek]

So please sit down

[near pier]

I know I would fuckin flip my lid if @marsh river was like “yeah we’re gonna go farm apy on a CEX with runway”

But Danny isn’t stupid and we’re a real dao

[near pier]

Lol 😂

[open leaf]

Gm ☕️

[near pier]

Gm Mabbsy welcome

[open leaf]

Some drama in here today

[little flax]

Come on cuz, answer me. Do you think outsourcing the entirety or let's say 95% of UE dev was a great idea?

[mellow creek]

From a business perspective of course

[little flax]

Did you realise that at the time of his debate with kieran?

[mellow creek]

I don’t think you fully grasp what’s going on over there my man

And you shouldn’t I mean you got your own project to work on yet your are still here arguing with me 😂

[mellow creek]

Yes my guy, I follow very closely

[little flax]

Well at least you can grasp my angle, I'm not attacking anything but that delusion really.
Simply because it was so obvious a catastrophic mistake to me that it dwarfs all others

[near pier]

*what was going on

Past tense

[mellow creek]

Again, you had the same runway a few months ago and try to act like this 😂

[tulip halo]

https://tenor.com/view/will-ferrell-whats-happening-whats-this-gif-13880717

[daring jay]

how so? imagine getting work done by outsourced, you finish the contract and you need to change something but you don't have internal stuff to do so.

[young bone]

Grant and all the team put in an enormous amount of work. We see that work constantly. We are playing the results of that work.
Illuvium is super close to launch on chain

[daring jay]

we didn't fire 75% though. Yes we did some restructuring, but nowhere close to 75%

[near pier]

We raised because framework did DD and was like oh yes these guys didn’t lose 15m on FTX because they aren’t dumb af

[young bone]

It would make me mad too, when people say stuff that it's completely untrue and let fly without being questioned.

[mellow creek]

Because there was constant back and forth between internal team and sperasoft DURING the process

[daring jay]

but you didn't had internal team

[mellow creek]

Brother you’re talking nonsense about things you have no clue about

[little flax]

Trust me bro, as a founder and artist literally working on our game, you don't understand the pain of managing outsourcing

It's a mind blowingly obvious oversight

[mellow creek]

Life’s tough man

[zenith fable]

^^^^^

[little flax]

Absolute rookie mistake

[zenith fable]

Most people wont really realise it without working in a game project, but the red flags were everywhere

[daring jay]

yeah whatever, gonna go out to do another 'JUST NFT' thing
or maybe @little flax let's outsource it

[mellow creek]

I could outsource a game with your scope on fiverr 😂

[little flax]

The thing I hate is we can sit here and admit our fuckups to our community.
We made tons of mistakes but wagner can't suck it up cause of his fragile ego. He truly believed sperasoft Was HIS team.

Ridiculous.

The best thing I've ever done in my life is contribute to hiring this team