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I could forgive the sjud ban, to an extent, but itās what that leads to which is whatās gotten us here where people are being banned for being critical. The team using weak and loose reasons such as āsuspectedā of being an alt account to completely ban them, therefore deleting all their messages
Think back to lehalel and runway conversations in the beginning
We're talking about safety in a conversation about someone who threatened to doxx team members?
The other council members have my name and phone number, and you're campaigning for someone with a track record of getting drunk and threatening to doxx people?
Is this a joke?
nobody threatened to doxx anyone, thats fake news
I'm going to tell you 1 last time. We appreciate all feedback and critical views.
As long as you present it in a respectful manner.
Nobody is going to get banned for giving feedback.
ive seen the transcripts
Post the screenshots
such a non-argument tbh, playing on emotions
Post the screenshots
So you wouldn't mind getting doxx'd?
It's really not, but if you think doxxing is an emotional issue, that's your perogative.
You'd be wrong, but you're entitled to that.
he literally didnt know bens info dude, he COULDNT doxx him even if he wanted to
That's not what he said
dude i have the screens in front of me
Great, so he thought it was a funny joke. That's perfect.
he said ben lied on his resume cause he wasnt involved in high level TFT development
he didnt know ben personally, just knew he was lying about his work expericen
here you go
dont shoot the messenger
btw that other guy, hughwizzy is also banned now for 2 hours
so i guess he kinda proved his point
Listen, I'm 100% for open governance, and I do think he should be allowed to run, but I think anyone rational can understand that including people in the community who have made threats like that is not an option. It's not on the people who threats are being made against to know whether the person is serious, or has the information.
It's on the person making those threats to not get drunk and threaten to do that kind of thing.
there have been no threats... thats the whole point
He has been timeout after refusing to hear the warning he received of disturbing the chat and with a one-sided conversation
this is not a ban, please use the correct terminology
so now having "a one sided conversation" grants you a time out?
sure, if you want to twist my word go ahead, i'll go back to work
Wow that seems really out of line to me
between the fake narrative of sjud making threats, rich asking him to not run basically, tsg not inviting him to the panel... i mean draw your own conclusions
Wasnāt it meant to be a panel for all who ran?
tsg "forgot" to invite just one guy
Do you know for sure he wasnāt invited?
total coincidence
Bringing up Walking Feather is old news. @near pier you donāt think WF would ever run? Or get votes? Wildfire guild has entirely moved past that saga, just so that is entirely clear to everyone here that we have no connection to her whatsoever
im speaking to the guy right now lol
Lol I did not ask him not to run
Probably because all people running are invited in sub threads and clearly SJUD was not in that theead
you told him its a bad look
what does that even mean?
"the crown thinks its a bad look that a member of the peasantry is running for council"
WF could run and I couldnāt stop her that was the point lol
Would I not like it sure
IMO thatās actually quite bad. Elections should be open and fair
I never told him not to run I said some ppl donāt like it
@junior blaze it seems like you forgot to invite somebody since he was not in the channel when you sent out the invites
He canāt be invited because heās banned thatās the whole issue
And he got himself banned a year ago
Ah it happens on Discord?
well maybe its time to unban the guy and see if he behaves for the election
Ah I thought you were just referring to the thread
Well I assume Tarren just invited the people in the thread
he prolly forgot
so I pinged him
problem solved
So just unban anyone that decides to run? Seems like a pretty easy way to get unbanned
the election is just a week or something
Jaganite for council
you can reban him after that if you see a reasno
sad jaga always get tagged for no reason
Miss him š„²
but if youre a true dao you should let everyone who made a serious attempt at council get the chance
𤣠š¤£
i mean you saw his resume and its no joke
especially compared to most other candidates
who used chatgpt to write some answers lol
I would have done this too tbh
If I ran
yeah but you would have been smart enough to remove the chatgpt tags :
I was requested to share this photo.... š
Okay š thanks Fraggs
GM but seems like general chat chose violence today
gm šæ
Yes they have
general woke up wrong side of the bed huh
No neend to save PvP it's already on good hands š
Chat gpt has tags? I only use it as my next-level spelling checker sometimes š
it said something like: chatgpt cant answer the question it asked itself
Hey Tailess - not so much Violence... I think it's more along the lines of FAIRNESS....
SJUD is not getting a fair shake for his campaigning and interview opportunities for Gaming SubCouncil
I am speaking on the behalf that EVERYONE deserves to have a voice for governance. Let the votes from the DAO speak on behalf of the community...
Who was it? They got my vote
Now I need to read the nominations. Daimn. Was hoping I could just listen to the panels
Provide an overview of your perspective on Illuvium's governance procedures and describe how you intend to engage with them to enhance the DAO.
Chat GPT had no answer to this Question generated by chat GPt itself.
its updated now, but i still had the text copied
How am I hearing this just now. Oh man
Oh that one was entered as a joke because he thinks its a stupid question. I remember now
Is it too late to run for council?
Yes
Oh well
i will vote for you
Closed at 3am EST 9 hours ago
for example: viper and caveman both from polemos
do we really want 2 polemos members on a 5 man panel?
Kinda late to give feedback on gov v2 now isn't it š
especially when you can essentially buy your way in
Of course. My bio is š„
Please enlighten us
whats a 'sub council' and how is it different from the normal ones
Best man for the job should get the position, doesn't really matter what guild they are in?
Only if you extend deadline š
No more changes pls š
of course it matters
they have their own interests as a guild
for example they have a ton of lands
their voting could be not independant
leave the guild for voting period, then join again after voting ends. It would be easy to dodge
Well you gotta vote for the people who you think will do the right thing for the DAO, not for themselves

i have a bridge to sell you š
dont get me wrong, i like both viper and caveman a lot
Write a proposal to change gov v2
We had months of feedback on this
and i think they are pretty much locked to win with good reason
but illuvium being official partners with polemos
He was afraid to get banned for giving feedback ofc
putting 2 members on the council
no, i didnt read any of the proposals cause i dont really care much about the whole dao side, i just want a good game to play
but now that it has come to my attention is does look suspicious
the same as with ani getting on the council and running ethlizards, also partnered
its jsut not a good look when all your partners make the council
Xborg partnered with us as well
So sjud shouldnāt be on council?
What are you arguing
No, that would be sus
Voters decide, not who is partnered with who.
they all had a fair voting to be selected as council.
lol who do you think the voters are?
the top 20 wallets decide every outcome
kieran himself can literally divide his ilv into 20 accounts
and pick 20 winners
Nope
So letās sun up everything you said:
- Sjud doesnāt have a fair shot at running
- Partners shouldnāt be allowed to be on council
- Sjud is xborg who is partner
partners should be on council if they are the best candidate, but if you ask me, limited to one person per partner
so a=b, b=c, so a =c
Yes thatās fine you wouldnāt like it, but I donāt know anyone that would lol. As long as you, the team and community know Wildfire guild banned Walking Feather and are not connected to her. No votes from us!
So guilds that are not partnered can have multiple?
This is getting confusing
You're explaining a unsolvable flaw that's in in every voting system. You could even think of guilds as political parties. Certainly in the future. I don't see it as good or bad just the nature of governance
kinda hard to have a serious discussion when you get instantly labeled as a conspiracy theorist
I do get it. If you have 4 people from Polemos or Xborg in the council for gaming then that may be a bit weird.
But if polemos just has 4 experts, and they make good decisions, then i truly couldnt care where those people came from.
Yes, a few times. Most recently with alphas.
I didnāt even think of being careful of being banned once.
frightening
so polemos is getting 4 dao members?
Depends who the DAO will vote in
who is ahead in the surveys
like what do you even mean "the dao"
I think there's validity in preventing any one group from controlling any sub-council or the IMC (3 or more members), but I think you're confused about how you want to get there.
its just polemos having tons of ilv in wallets
and voting their own members in basically
its literally buying votes
the doa 2
Is anyone in the current council even in Polemos? Sasha didn't get elected did he?
i would understand the concern if they somehow get 4 members, yeah
I am also a member of Polemos just to be transparent on the issue.
lol so we have even more polemos running in one sub section
I stepped down as mod in Polemos when I became a mod here š
i like polemos. 
if there is a request in here to increase our Syble resistance I agree that is something that should happen in regular intervals.
Important points around Gov V2 are that itās a tiered council structure for a reason. An LIP would need to get through the community subcouncil, one of the specialized sub-councils and then the IMC. Iām very confident that weāre decentralized enough that no organization can buy enough influence to control that process. Additionally, any council members are expected to recuse themselves on any votes or decisions that they potentially have a conflict of interest in. In the Ethlizards partnership example, Kieran and I both recused ourself from the discussion and the rest of the council (majority of whom are not Ethlizards) supported. If a sub-council votes to make decision like this that appears to be biased, we have both IMC and community options to remove council members who canāt follow standard ethical practices.
Can you rephrase that please? I have no idea what you just said
just join every guild flaw solved
So you saying you want a reservation for council votes
Nothing to mod in Polemos anyway lol
LIP = ethlizards ani š
There was 13 months ago
splitting Ilv into lots of wallets to get more votes is a syble attack on our governance system
So what does this partnership mean then?
im saying if a dictator is running an election, and 3 out of 8 runners are his close family members, and they all get voted in, its not a good look
dafuk
Yeah true, it's very quiet in there now though
can also add that Scoriox and Ani are both high level members for Wild Fire š
Hmm I see there is very good point to denie your idea
Don't play victim card
Are you saying Ani and Scoriox just made the council because their guild and not because of the skills they have?
Damn man I'd be screwed. I'm a member of all these guilds š
scoriox has skills? š
Not finalized yet but we are having discussions about Ethlizards building a gamified extension for Beyond so the team resources can be focused on the other games.
Im adding to the conspiracy pot lol š
ive seen like all his videos, they keep getting worse tbh
I'd also support clear disclosures if there is vested interest in a daa that is 'playing' Illuvium or any group really. I would change my votes to not vote in only ppl from one group
Well now you are just spreading false information
Agree
how can i spread information by asking a question?
Sorry, forgot you don't do jokes. Carry on
It's a bit amusing that if you look at the actual data, the person who got elected on the basis of a few whale wallets was myself, and I'm not affiliated with any guild or organization.
It's definitely fun to spin narratives about guilds or organizations controlling election results though.
For reference you can check the voting data from last election, it's linked in Deraji's profile.
but youāre a mod canāt be trusted
Well now I don't trust you anymore
Blickter and his whale friends
so now mods can“t run too?
it's rigged
i did not know this last election - think it's fine. But this should be disclosed I think. Even if just by social consensus
I think it depends what guild they are in?
even life is rigged if you believe in destiny
Mods are part of this big guild or whatever this Illuvium thing is. They have a huge voice already. Better keep them far away from council.
Mod Guild dosn“t count?
There is a mod guild?
Thats a good governance change. Citing your affiliations.
switch dao to dictatorship, supreme leader
A full disclosure of associations when running wouldnāt be that terrible of an idea. Just more transparency.
can i lead? š
Oh no, I forgot to press enter for my application. Sorry @ripe geode
church of squizz members also cant run?!
I once had an affiliation with chess club in high school
well this was fun, i have to go for now though
sjud sent in his ban review request btw
Iām also a council member of Wildfire, Hoplite in Polemos, partnered with XBorg, newly named CEO of Ethlizards, supporter of several of our IlluviX projects that are building add-ons to the project and more. Itās almost like I want Illuvium and the sector to succeed and will do whatever I can to make that happen. If someone can tell me which affiliation I should count against (or all of them) please let me know.
Well you lost my vote
we will fix it in 6 moths buddy ^^
you cant do that many things and be committed to one with all your might
its like having 7 wives
So many posts
is any off it related to showcase,leaks or dates?
so yeah if you ask me, youre a bad candidate
wow jetski is now a community helper congrats i just noticed
Nope, carry on
Did you get demoted from mod? š¤
Will do
He never was a mod, he is a community helper
Hes poopie color now
Some would say the bestš„³
He did brag about being a mod some time ago.
Jimbo disagrees
Kieran ceded leadership to @gritty citrus was it? š
Is Kieran a bad candidate too? Heās even busier than I am
I canāt believe all this is from someone who got banned a year ago lol
Had it in name and all
he“s a helping hand for all of you.
Yes, he should be in the meetings to inform you guys but he never should have gotten a spot.
imo
Ani Knows Time Manipulation
Seems sjud just contracted @narrow jetty to complain for him and start this
at least Kieran has way more inside info and doesnt get council pay
Not anymore
All previous epochs he did
time works differently in web3
Quite sure he did, yes.
is like 1 hr here is 1 day irl
nvm then
Show me where, i was trying to explain everyone I'm not and you come with this...
Honestly I feel uneasy about Mods running. Could I as a voter count on a mod to take a controversial stance against the wishes of the team if it was necessary for the DAO?
Why not?
Oh sorry. Hadnāt seen it as an issue
Mods are just community members
Just some fun. Thought it came through, as my voice had that little grinning to it
Donāt even know how you can brag about being a mod
Nothing to brag about
Itās litterly the job I would want the least
Congrats your promoted
It's just a new color so people know you can probably guide them in the correct direction where they can find what they are looking for
Can i get a Something too?
yes sure, i am a member like you. i am only a mod for helping you all out.
Leaks
Next week
sus
Soon
cant trust dates
I think it makes you a better candidate, but I'd like to know affiliation with groups that have a vested interest in Illuvium and the community. I did not know most of this and don't see any/or many disclosures in ppls announcements to run in general
Iam fine with that
Then don't go on dates. Trust is everything
I see many people now days are very good at playing victim card š
I feel offended
Andrew get his pc fixed?
No, he got a new one
Q2 hopefully
Got destroyed
No don't be š
4090 incoming!
he can send me the old one š
ill still play with it lol
Could someone give me a Super short Tldr on the Sjud thingey?
Banned from discord
Running for council
Not in discord
Doesn't like it
Don't forget Polemos buying Gaming Council seats
You are and I'm not saying mods should not be allowed to run. However you are paid for this role. This could be a conflict some situations.
And lots of gov v2 feedback a month after itās already passed
He is in a different guild afaik
Back to leaks channel
Just vote accordingly - You can check voting bias in #šÆćcouncil-chambers for this past epoch. I'd be happy to have a conversation about any of the decisions if you feel there's some bias due to me being a mod as well as a council member.
Lol
that wont make more leaks happen
To be fair you didn't mod much since you made it on the council
did we ever get pvp leak?
It could
Council decided not to share
i don“t think so. if i follow the rules its all good. i understand both sides.
Brings up a good point. I included as many as I could fit without boring people in that section. @near pier, maybe we should add a spot next Epoch for affiliations in the nomination form.
i can give you a new wall leak this week @languid silo changed the room a bit š
Where is the positivity?
I'm talking in general terms. Definitely not suggesting there's evidence of bias in current or past epochs.
Awesome,lets have a look.did you add more?
yes but you will see soon :d
Busy day today, hope everyone else is doing well.
I LOVE watching paint dry šš„°
Well Synix seems to have it covered here (I hope they all trust you to do your job).
I'm gonna go cook some dinner
So...next year
i promise this week.
If @dusty plank is any sort of indication, Iād be happy to have more mods on the council. He always has the strongest pulse on the community and is regularly bringing up topics and points of view because he sees and hears so much. I didnāt really know him before this Epoch but have been incredibly impressed with his engagement, knowledge and consideration of all the topics at hand.
The DAO is made up of people pursuing a common goal. Their voting power comes from how invested they are in the DAO. It is led by people that are invested and get support by the majority. With quadratic voting high investment has less power so the majority is a mix investment amount and popular vote. This leads to people voting in a mix of the best interest of their selfish monetary motives and the goal of the DAO. Your main point might have some validity, but your examples are not all well researched in how gov v2 is setup and many things were put in place to help mitigate.
People can hate on the whales but whichever whales knew Blickter and voted for him did a huge service for the DAO. We would be worse off if he wasnāt in council this Epoch.
Not if i sneak in and mess up AWall's computer again!!!!
Can't he be unbanned if he gets on the council?
Donāt see that in the rules, no?
I donāt decide on that anyhow
Yea I thought theyād be over it by now. Besides the incident a year ago, SJUD would bring a lot of value to gaming sub- council.
What if the community sub council looked to change the way moderation is done throughout illuviums social? Maybe challenge the amount of pay they receive. This is an obvious conflict. Would it be appropriate for elected Mods to vote on something like that?
im gonna buy 100k ILV and vote for him
Second this. I didnt know blickter at all before this epoch. After working with him closely on some topics, I have nothing but respect and admiration of his work ethic and critical thinking. Been wanting to work with him ever since ā¤ļø
A lot of mods just got demoted, fired or got a paycut. Council doesnāt decide on this.
It would have to go through the strategy subcouncil and then the IMC afterward. Is your argument that a mod on the community sub-council would somehow sway the other councils?
I think he means he would vote in his own benefit
But I mean anyone could do that, not just mods. Maybe we should cancel the council š
Maybe. He voted against his own benefit this Epoch to reduce his own pay along with the rest of us
Not talking about blickter. Mods in general it seems
No I'm just exploring hypotheticals that may put elected mods in a difficult situation.
5k is insane, makes sense to lower it
*was
Depends on your point of view
My point here goes back to my statement that people need to recuse if they canāt be impartial. And we have both peer pressure and more extreme ways of making sure that can happen (removal of a council member).
i know it has bee lowered
Well itās 2500 after taxes š
What is this word, ātaxesā?
EU texas
Anyhow thatās all changed and voted on now
i think its plural for "taxi" š
I saw you type pelican, we know you are here. Iām out
Makes sense. Letās go with this.
Taxi bills would be around 2,500 a month.
Howās your training going?
You keeping at it?
Yes
Nice. Getting that summer body ready
2026 here I come
Soon
100% @dusty plank has done a fantastic job.
I had my moment, and in my moment I returned leadership to @inner topaz š¤£
And I have a great solution.
We still have time before voting starts.
Why don't you please contact, organize, host, edit and publish all these interviews with all the candidates and then maybe and that's a very strong MAYBE, I'll even consider that you know what you're talking about.
i can think of few things i would hate doing more
its a good thing you had me to remind you, basically helping you do your job
Would you like to be banned?
Treat the team with respect or you're gone
the response is very much in proportion to tsg's own comment
if he can dish it out, he can take it
I agree with Fraggys comment about how Tarren shouldnāt be speaking to him like that, and that they wouldnāt tolerate it if he spoke to them in that manner. The comment that was up for a second but was then deleted
3 people sent me a screenshot of it either way, so no worries š
I got 2 š
im more popular than you are š
what a funny backread. feel like smartass falled in love with SJUD.
š
But we all knows DMās are a scam
i am for justice
Mods and Team members will never DM you.
Never trust advice or links received in DMs.
Beta access, giveaways, and promotions are not given out via DM. Scams are designed to trick you into installing malicious software to gain access to your wallet or to convince you to enter your seed phrase into a website. Never give your private key (12 to 24-word seed phrase) to anyone.
Support is not provided via DMs
Support is handled publicly, or in threads within the Illuvium Discord. People offering support via DM are scammers.
and i dont like bullies
@red geyser pls give immortality
Your bullying me in poker
thats the whole point of the game š
Chat GPT says something else
Thatās the best gif I could find. Since religious talk is against the rules.
Just donāt copypasta a big cgpt response into here
Nah, Fraggy doesnāt like that
@red geyser thanks, you are the man š¤£
so i am back from the world outside. is it still ongoing?
Did you just assume itās gender?
We were waiting for you to start it up again
Remind me, where did we end it
im done for today, going for 1st place in arena now
Streaming?
nah, just chilling
You're accusing a team member of collusion?
@lusty mantle I thought about not doing it but cmon "man" š
best deck ever today, my dream deck for real š
Is this todayās deck?
yes, you can go 11 empaths š
Might play some then
no i like it more positive here.
Damn you gonna make me wanna play
Wow
Imagine having that many empathic people gathered in real life
Even I could do alright with that deck
Maybe
Ew, people
I should probably take down that gif before I get screenshot for posting lewd images.
Good night šš“
Donāt get too excited, Iām not gone yet
These stickers are so cool man
fraggy is always here, he only is in charging mode.
My charging time doubled since you started š¤£š¤
Yeah I wasn't aiming my point at Blickter.
However you do raise an interesting point about having the time to perform two roles. Maybe a community helper should be selected to temporarily cover an elected mods role while they're a councilor.
Feel free to write an IIP or go back in time and give feedback on gov v2
Iām not running for council
is that good because i take some load off you? or is it bad because i made you much work to reload much more š
Ok somebody change the topic š
We were informed that we would not be able to receive funds for both roles at the same time. So thereās that
Today is fomc meeting š
Im dieing
It was nice knowing you.
Yeah that was fake news
The person who told you that was confused. The information is incorrect.
Please refrain from being patronising and condescending to the people that come into the server thank you, you wouldnāt appreciate it if they spoke to you in the same way. Mods need to conduct themselves and hold themselves to the same standards they hold others, and preferably not ban them for 2 hours, then comment about them knowing they wonāt be able to reply ā¤ļø
I may need to start doing some work and let some greens get some messages in here so we mods donāt get accused of over filling the chat
Please donāt call a mute a ban. And since I didnāt muted you or talked about you, maybe assign your message to somebody else.
I love how you deflect and claim it wasnāt you etc, your the only one in here all the time. Mute, ban, you know exactly what it means please donāt be pedantic thank you. Never underestimate the mods propensity to make up rules as they go along so as to justify muting and banning people.
Maybe you shouldnāt blame people for things they didnāt do? A team member did and he posted why here in chat. You really do like to change stuff so they sound better to you and I donāt feel like itās helping you.
Letās not deflect Fraggy, sure, I believe you š anyway, like I said, please donāt respond to a comment from someone in a patronising or condescending manner, your here in an official capacity and weād expect you to uphold yourself to some standards.
Is this how Andrew broke his pc?
browns incoming!
It is a strong possibility
*keeps breaking
Kinda wanna ping em now 
Should get both š¤·āāļø. If we're saying mods can mod and be on the council that is. If we're not saying that then we can't expect elected mods to also moderate for free.
Pay a community helper to step up for the epoch. Seems to be the fairest way to go about it.
I won't weigh in either way, because I am biased in this regard. If there's a community desire to change the system, it would be best to get it ironed out prior to the next epoch starting.
Kinda sad all this feedback is coming now and not when we had discussions about gov v2. I assume best way would be like any change and make a post in ideas and see if it gets any traction from the community
Yeah think itās important to have diversity on the council and financial motivation is a key aspect.
All else equal, I would not want one outside group to own a majority of seats.
it typical though. There is always an uptick in interest and a call for change right as elections are happening. Hopefully the community council can fuel this engagement so it continues on past the election time. Would love to see more consistent participation and interest in gov.
What are we even debating here?
Well itās mostly about changing the rules who can run atm. Probably should be dealt with before elections š
Somebody mentioned they donāt think multiple from the same guild should be able to run for council and somebody else has concerns about mods running for council
Damn Artemis is here, I really should go to bed š¤£
No not always because as you said this could have happened during the initial discussion. Should it be considered yes, but does it HAVE to be pushed through before elections - certainly not. I am not saying to stone wall it either, but I am kind of tired of rushing proposals just because it's an election. If there is a security issue thats one thing, but this - this is not. This issue has been around even before Gov V2
it's like if i work in the government and can“t me elected to be a governer
if we're going to shut out people from other projects those who are experienced with the qualifications we're looking for will never come because they'll be "bias" or team members
Oh no need to push it at all. Just get it out of general and see if people are even interested about these ideas. I personally donāt think itās needed but they might say Iām biased
Maybe we can take this conversation in #1020759212172775464 I'm truly getting lost in what people are really trying to express
Wow power hungry. No council for you
Greedy for POWER
Greedy council does ring a bell
only for power. i am eating pizza, so the other hunger is gone š
With pineapple?
Maybe something that can be considered is mods being considered like team members though, part of the pool that could be appointed to councils and have it an addition to their current roles. Heck it would make sense to have an appointed mod on Community in that case
I do not like this, if mods aren't involved in day to day business
Mods donāt get payed like team members. That would be a horrible deal
I've never been educated on this, what do mods get paid?
hard to make informed decisions or suggestions with out all the information
Which is the same boat mods are in
I donāt believe pay is shared with the public
is their a rule against it?
There was a yearly pay shared in the runway document
paid in gum?
Well it was, broadly but not specifically
Yeah but people got fired and we got paycut after that so itās less now
Thanks for that btw š¤£
to less for the stuff from the last two days š
No. Just that personal information can be kept private.
Or maybe it was baked into the expectations š
No idea what that comment means
Also. I don't really care
Most of my replies resembles this comment
I am not saying they HAVE to share, but if you're making the argument that it shouldn't be a continuation of their duties because the pay is so low well I would be curious to compare is all
again not trying to force anyone to share anything
spitballing ideas
My math says differently. Iām fairly certain the expected cost for mods was based on the amount that had previously been paid out.
Maybe a different mod will like your idea, I donāt š
Canāt speak for all of them š
And also there isnāt a team member in the community council so doesnāt add up
You understood my comment. That's nice. Thank you
what doesn't add up?
Having a mod in the spot of a team member in the council. There are no team members in the community council
But if you want one, I believe blickter is running for community š
Oh yeah I know there currently isn't - which is why I was suggesting it if people wanted a change. The natural place to put a mod would be the community council since they are ingrained in the community day in and day out.
Aha
Community is way different from team though. We have no visibility compared to a team member.
never felt the need to bring it up in discussions because I personally don't mind that mods run for council.
Think the community council would be a natural fit for the mod role
We are just community members anyhow
isn't that what I said?
I am not cranky š¦
Give me 5 min
I was trying to have productive clarifying conversation
ayoo
Nothing makes me more cranky than people calling me cranky
where is my snickers
I like your video Artemis. one of your videos is a bookmark of mine
Do you cry a lot?
now I am super curious, which one?
Quickest path...
What sub council are you running for?
There used to be 23 mods (varying levels=varying pay). $174,000 was expected yearly expense. That comes out to an average mod pay of $630/month. Which seems like a very accurate average based on my knowledge regarding specific mod pay prior to mod and pay cuts.
Have they opened nominations again?
No
How many do we have now? 4?
Ohhhhh thanks for this break down!!
even if it's general I appreciate knowing the general ballpark
It says 12. But thatās counting Aaron and rich and Jeremy I think.
Kinda wild
Oh yeah, I found the list. I forgot a bunch š¤£
Ok now really goodnight. If I donāt pass my exam tomorrow I get fired š¤£
We gotta choose the knowledge to keep and the knowledge to let pass through.
Good luck brotha
I can take it
all the best
good luck and good night
You not even good at your own job, what makes you think you can do mine?
Good luck
hi guys, wen game?
Good luck
that reminds me i need to test remote desktop playing illuvium with a xbox controller paired to the phone when i get a chance and remember lol
was away for months, i really don't
here's the recent roadmap #š¬ćgeneral message
q4 oh dear
it's probably removed already
boooooo lol
Speaking of the roadmap, Kieran said there would be a monthly update. The last one was on April 9th. So are we expecting an update sometime next week?
Cant speak for him, but hopefully we'll have something.
Yea was hoping a mod would have some info but don't want to ping them for another "wen" question lol
you know the answer š
Lmao
Has it really been that long?
No
This is just false information, I have DMs with him and all he does is attack me verbally lol
why not just post them?
im not taking sides, but i think transparency is important. he does seem to have grounds with his argument in his reply, and he was banned unfairly it seems without evidence, just guilty straight away
Just let it go
presumed guilty i mean.
This should be dealt with privately. We don't all need to be seeing these DMs
Just stop
But he wants transparency
i disagree, transparency is important. theres an issue here and for both sides transparency is important
I gave him opportunity to appeal you can obviously see he said "I don't care about your appeal"
Jeremy has now done the same
your advocating for someone that doesn't want to fix their problem
he cannot even follow that, so no use
yes because it involves him being interrogated like hes a criminal, you want him to reveal personal information to verify himself, i dont think thats fair, he still hasnt been told why he was considered an alt account, hes just been presumed guilty without any reason
he made an account the day he came in. if he's been part of the community longer, he would have had an account long ago
Kind of get the feeling this is all just a troll having Fun.
He keeps repeating himself, obviously has an insulting attitude, and does anything but to be open to Find a solution. He doesn't even got in the call to hear what they would ask him...
or would have been on Discord and speed run to a ban, either way was going to get banned
I wonder how many alt accounts they already had?
its too easy to write someone off like that to de legitimise their argument, like saying you suspect them as an alt account without any evidence, reasons, grounds or definition. to be honest, id be really uncomfortable with being asked to go on a call to reveal personal info about myself, having to prove myself,to get allowed back on a server i dont think i should have been banned on in the first place
as much as im not taking sides, the guy makes valid points in the email, and its really sketchy how he was banned in the first place, twice
Just my opinion, i can have an easy opinion no? š
of course you can, same as myself, no reason to clarify that thats a given
the point here is the guy has been accused of something without any evidence, hes been presumed guilty and banned from the server, and now hes being asked to go on a call and reveal his personal info and identity to be allowed back in. that doesnt sit right with me, i dont think its good at all
There is evidence that he was in a one day old account
what would be your solution?
my solution would be prevention is better than cure, the guy should not have been banned and i think illuvium looks really bad here to be using baseless accusations so as to justify completely banning someone, presumed guilty of something that hasnt been defined, and now has to reveal his personal identity ? like i said, doesnt sit right
and that is your opinion, looking into his behavior it doesn't sit well to hes case
The mods and Team need to be able to police the discord fairly. If someone doesnāt want to follow the process to appeal then what is supposed to be done. We have had plenty of people come in on alt accounts just to cause problems.
would you not be pissed off if you were him and the same happened to you ?
so don't try to fix the past
Yes, but I know how to be respectful
I would reflect myself, and recognize that i also could have been banned for bad behaviour
not 13 here
why cant anyone address the points ? claiming hes disresctful doesnt contribute to anything to do with why he was banned, and the problem with the way it was handled. whats even more concerning is that hes being treated like a criminal having to go on a call and verify himself with personal info, just to be allowed back on a server he shouldnt have been banned on in the first place
Being respectful is one of the rules for the server. It always has been.
well he speaks as disrespectful as SJUD
I literally addressed his points very early in the conversation
That Verifikation process isn't really unusual, had to do it once to in a completely different Business.
but he could argue that all the people that made fun of him and were rude were disrespectful, its a really weak argument to make that your saying, and it wasnt why he was banned
and they continued to repeat themselves exactly over and over and insulted people repeatedly
never even remotely attempted to continue a conversation in a meaningful way
thats your opinion, a lot of people would find it very weird. this isnt a business, this is a discord server and profile, you could make the accusation that anyone in here is an alt and should have to reveal their identity, its even worse when they should not have been banned in the first place
@dapper cradle went through this process quickly and easily no arguments, fully understood. Back in the server in 24 hours.
You have way more patience than I have @near pier, it's probably good i'm not running for community SC lol
maybe mr patches is fine with giving personal info and his identity to people he doesnt know, but you cant expect everyone to feel like that and be comfortable with it, particularly someone who feels aggreived to have been banned unfairly and is being treated like a criminal \
Why you always keep saying he should not have been banned, when he clearly should have? Like it was said multiple times now from officials.
how should he clearly have been banned ? they banned him for suspecting he was an alt account, with no evidence or grounds for it, how many times does that have toibe repeated haha
i have to admit, the reply email to him doesnt explain anything, and then expects him to come on a call and reveal personal info to people he doesnt know, and who have already treated him poorly in his opinion. il be honest, i wouldnt feel comfortable with that in the same circumstances, and im sure a lot of other people would not either
Who said personal details, all we ask for is verification of social accounts, if they have been banned before, if they have other discord accounts, how they found out about Illuvium. There is no "personal details" requested like ids, names etc.
but why on a call ? why not via the email ? and why cant they state the questions he needs to answer ?
To make sure they are a real person, Chat GPT is very good these days I hear.
No grounds? He had a new Account and was talking about Stuff Like an og.
And everyone was treating him OK, he was the one not communicating in a normal maner.
Did you see the chat before his latest account got banned?
Didnt mean for his chat to get removed either, that was an accident
man the guy is way too many spelling mistakes and detailed to be AI, im not taking the piss out of him i think hed admit it, thats silly
but chat gets removed when you block someone thats well known its happened before
No we have the ability to save peoples chats when banned
in fact we try to, to avoid situations like this
define 'communicating in a normal manner', thats subjective man. having a new account and speaking in your opinion like an 'og', is that grounds really ? then theres a lot of people in this chat who need to go on a call and verify themselves !
Cmon... There is something Like common Sense about being disrespectful or not.
then can they be put back ? i got involved in this because i was in the middle of reading them and then they were gone. i dont care if im blacklisted now as a 'hater' or whatever, im not, i just hgappen to think the guy was treated unfairly and irt concerns me from my own perspective about illuvium, i doubt im the only one
well you are telling him, that does look like he is missing it as well
but like i said earlier, the way people jumped on him and spoke to him can easily be interpreted as rude and disrespectful too, but i dont see you asking for them to be banned also,
He was claiming people jumping on him, when they were just talking normal š
well thats wat you think, but they were as rude and disrespecrtful as you are saying he was
They were as disrespectful is i am now
Again, have you seen the Chat?
this is just semantics your engaging in now tbh man, my point is no one was rude. your just on the side of the people against him, and your not contributing much of meaning here. to claim hes rude and not the people who ganged up on him, is just silly
if we are adults here, none of anything either way should be considered rude, defo not rude enough to be banned for
I'm as objectively a human being can See, there's no point defending/attacking people i don't know š
this statement doesnr really make sense, you have been saying the ban was justified, but it was not
your defending rich and the ban, and attacking him saying he was 'rude;' and the ban was justfified
so not sure why your claiming not to be attacking/defending people you dont know
Again? We are going in circles here.
Objectively claiming something as rude is not an attack...
your just not really contributing anything of substance, and im still giving you a reply
So do you, and i reply to you aswell
can i ask why these issues always end up getting kicked into the long grass ? none of the initial points or questions have been addressed, instead now we are in semantical arguments abiout what is rude or not rude,
but i am contributing substance, your just not thus far
You didn't even read my messages. I explicitly addressed his concerns, and he proceeded to ignore my replies.
can you make a list of all of your points?
Make it clear and concise and we can then just refer to earlier messages
a list of 3-X amount of bullet points would be highly effective.
I do find it weird you have been inactive for 12+month and just come back after this person got banned for being an alt, have changed your name to something else and now know exactly what happen in the message that have been deleted
you did not though. if you look at the email screenshots, can you answer the questions therein ? thats the crux of this matter, and his reply is whats got me of the opinion that this is really bad in terms of how illuvium has handled it
just read the email screenshots he sent me to post, its simple
i read that email. is that all you wanted me to do?
i do find it predictable considering how things have gone with this issue, that now i am being implied as being the actual person
no, i think the email should be responded to and every question should be accurately answered in detail]
I know you are an actual person, you might not remember but we have been in a voice call before
Being critical is good, I fully support this. I am one of the most critical people in this community around the game. When critiques are responded to, the natural follow up is to agree and say "thanks for the reply" or disagree and say something like "hmm, I don't believe that really addresses the concern, can you elaborate?"
but why is that a problem ? and why does it justify implying i am the guy, you know thats what your im plying, and i think thats unfair tbh
But this guy completely and utterly ignored my reply to the exactly 2 points he made, and continued to repeat himself 992 times.
because you have talked about 1 thing and only 1 thing only for the entire day and haven't listen to anyone who replied to you
man i have said many times, look at the screenshot and see the questions that were asked in relation to the response from jeremy
but thats just baseless, i could argue that you are the one who has not replied to anything the guy said, none of his concerns have been addressed and the difficult questions have not been answered. i have replied to every single comment in here tonigh and have ignored none of them
I still don't even know what your argument is so no you haven't been very clear lol
and yeh i find it pretty unprofessional and disrespectful for you to imply im the guiy in question
i get what hugh is saying
yeh, no one in here seems to, despite the screenshots being posted and the issue detailed on numerous occassions
really? i don“t
thank you @mellow furnace
He sent a message to support and got a reply within 3h, he didn't reply for 24h, I can see he just sent a reply now and will get a reply but there's no need to talk about this here
it seems like the guy getting banned wants to know why he was banned in the first place. so he created another account so that he could come on here and find out. Then he gets banned bc he has an alt account that he created to come on here.
i disagree, this should never have had to get to this stage in the first place, the conversation should be him and everyone in the discord like how it began, i dont like this urge to make things private, avoid transparency and hide uncomfortable topics
so maybe didn't do anything wrong and then had multiple accounts disobeying a rule
I didn't ban the guy, I don't know the specifics around that. All I know his account was created the same day he came in bashing, with no meaningful conversation, literally never replied to a response to his concerns, only repeated himself over and over (and yes, I have now repeated this description over and over because it's not seeming to stick). Yet he claims to be a longstanding investor/member, whatever the wording was.
ok well now that your here, lets avoid confusion and il give you exactly what you need
save you all scrolling back up
So this is between him and support, so i'm asking you one more time and just one, please stop disturbing this chat.
Perfect TLDR, except add in there he was given the reasons why and a solution to fix
now you're repeating yourself, that was already posted
There comes a point where this conversation just goes in circles. There is a path to remedy it doesnāt need to continue to clog general chat
THIS!
thank you
no meaningful conversation ? thats a lie, he was critival. of the team not consulting high level pros from other games dota or whatever , and he got jumped on by the whole chat
yeah get out of general
conversation is multi sided, he monologued
his point was trash tbh and he didnt respond to anyone else, just kept repeating
trust me, if i say it, its true
you're still not reading my replies. I responded to his two concerns (tft pros and augment balance)
that is literally all he complained about, and never progressed the conversation when it was addressed, multiple times
man this is like the weird way to justify the ban for that guy in the first place, your making stuff up like im 'disturbning the chat' and you will use that as a justification to ban me and consider saying that as a warning, this is all just so werid,, i think a lot of people would disagree that its betwen you and him, i think its a community issue and it highlights a major lack or transparency and bad practices, its been handed terribly by the team
Monologing is a vibe killer
i am reading your replies, and your not addressing anything in the email screenshots i sent you, theres several questions to be answered there and not one of them have been.
critique my reply, is this not sufficient? what would you like me to say?
You have been asked and you have been warned and yes you'll say you have been banned if you're being time out and going to twist my word but for real this is the last warning, after that you'll get another timeout if you refuses to stop
thats just a screenshot of an old comment, and yet again its nothing to do with the contents of his email im directing you to. i have even sent you another screenshot, but you keep ignoring that,, and replying to me about something completely different
I'm not part of customer support. I am on game design, and as a former professional auto battler player, I did my best to address his concerns around the game. What are your continuing concerns with my replies @sage falcon ?
I think you have made your point. I think we have all heard your point. Many of us were there for the original conversation and disagree with your point of view. There is a clear path for remedy. The team are happy to help. I think itās time to move on
the email is not directed at me, none of that is in my control
Please stop
Jeremy, with all due respect, how am i twisting words ? and if thats the interprtation, then why was the guys account and activity twisted so as to justify a ban being put on him ? i dont like how you want to shut down the converdsation again
then dont come at me and dont get involved if your not prepared to address it
it is general, you should talk it in private
Imo stop replying there's better use of your time instead of replying to someone refusing to understand
I asked many times, i'm sorry.
or expect this type of replies as it's not welcome what you are doing for the ones in chat
thank you. now we can back to normal. so wen pvp š
guys tell me something good and funny
u
thank you š
no i was calling u a joke š
good and funny
ok thank you
he was muted again? I just had finished writing my elaborate response on the mail lol š„¹
thats what i am talking about
love u too 
Showcase next week!!! 
sorry had to do it š
wen Season 1
before end of month I think was the planning
very soon i guess
Everyone take a deep breath. Ahhhh. All better now.
LLAAMMAAA!!
There is a good answer to the question "How much wood can a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood?"
As much wood as a woodchuck could of course.
if he had a saw in his little paw a ton of wood he could
Well, a New York state wildlife expert, Richard Thomas, decided to answer that question some years back. He found that, while a woodchuck doesn't actually chuck wood, they do in fact chuck quite a bit of dirt when digging out a burrow. On a good day they can chuck around 35 cubic feet of dirt (or about 700 pounds). 
Only a luxury ball will do for my spitting friend. š
Did you know that the King of hearts is the only King without a moustache?
Thatās because the king of hearts likes kisses from the queen
Correction, there might be several good answers to that question.
(And ty, that was quite interesting)
first thing that google give me š
guess I never actually googled that one...
Ever kissed a man with a beard?
me too, untill now. if i don“t know i ask google first.
nope š
I rest my case
I feel Like that's a Trick question.
But nope i haven't š
i know what you mean. i need to shave it every 3 days because of my wife and my baby.
Itās not that nice lol
did you? maybe drunk? š
I had to grow my beard for my ex.
Guess some Like it with and some without š
I guess so. š
only time i let it grow was the Eishockey Playoffs for the Chicago Blackhawks š
I like the look of a beard but kissing not so much
Besides... People do things that are not nice daily... Wearing Jeans, high Heels, eating vegies etc. š
and they won the cup that year. so got a bit of a beard š
Looks and other things you can do with a beard š
Aaand your wood chop skill is +1 with a beard
and youĀ“re back š
Auto mod does not like that word, @simple patrol
Heals are no fun. š
My bad
what word? the one with ki..
No b word
ok 
It was taken out of context.
The auto mod is a dumb bot
Well my heals would have been offended so itās fair
they can do better. i saw them dance
Fraggy would have left me to stew for 10 min. Hahaha
I thought about it
i would bring you back but i canĀ“t. no power in here š
Savage
Really? You canāt remove a timeout? I feel like we should test that out on splendor⦠I think you can remove the timeout
maybe i can. but not on Splendor
There⦠try it
ohhh i can.
Wth
sorry needed to test my power š
We apologize for any inconvenience our test has caused
Crack up. I was talking about morphodods and bam Iām out lol
there are other channels in this server? oh man i need to check them out.
is a good one
i know i watched you all š its on my follow list š
devious š«¢
Have a wonderful day my fellow Rangers. š
Have great day Splendor 
I will now that you have wished me well. ā¤ļø
wish you a wonderful day too. 
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I just did a lot of reading.š
Kieran's last Escape Pod with Rich, someone asked the question of how he can be patient with the people who aren't Dick fans. Think we just saw that in action. Jeremy and the Mods too.
Brought back memories, I used to be a manager dealing with people all the time. Makes me all the happier that I am heading back out to touch grass and deal with animals.š
Not trying to start all the conversation again, just wanted to give you all kudos as it is a tough job.
thanks for the words.
yes sometimes its not easy. not only here on discord. on twitter and other social medias too.
this should be a please for people to come in here and want to have fun. talking about the project and be a big family.
its bad and it hurts a bit to see people literally fighting. there is enough hate in the world and much more important things in life to deal with.
things that make you happy. so be happy everyday. 
Good night Family.

Disagreement isn't necessarily bad as long as it is respectful. I do think a lot of it is that people are really stressed right now.
GN Synix.š
This.
Feedback and discussion is welcome, many don't know how to do this in a constructive way.
How I saw it. The dude was disrespectful and broke rules and thought everyone else was being unfair.
Guy comes in blazing into general (not really even the place to have this specific non-general conversation), people in general reject what he is saying in a respectful way, guy repeats himself endlessly and plays victim, guy has a 1 day old account and was breaking rules #4(spammy), #5(rude), #10(alt account) and #14(having fun). Banned.
Guy comes back with another alt(rule #10). āI didnāt break any rules.ā Spams(rule #4) this all over. Again breaks rules #5 and #14. Banned again.
Another guy comes in and spams (rule #4) about emails not being specific enough and that the way to resolve is not fair to the 1st guy who is rightfully banned.
I see Discord like it's a house party. I can come on here as long as I'm willing to follow the hosts rules. If I'm not then I will be asked to leave. If I normally behave then the host might be kind enough to tell me to cool it rather than kicking me but they aren't obligated to allow me to stay.
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I actually think tip bot is good for any channel
Poor Jeremy š
Just makes sense for recognition purposes

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I don't even know what to say so I will just say thank you. 
It took me a long time to type that because I have calf trying to grab my phone. š
A mod. Could I get some thumbies plz : #1103481565402632262 message
Haven't seen it
But supportive nonetheless
Thanks crystal 
Hey @little flax last night I had a dream that you rejected my invitation to go on a date, and then I woke up and was so glad it hadn't happened in real life cos that would be so embarrassing. So can you just reassure me that you wouldn't reject me irl cos my self esteem is hit
Grant is on another date
Yeah well that's just outta control
Grant is officially less friendly than Aaron
Aaron bites
Grant has sore hands but that's no excuse. I'll fix em
Going to be pretty busy tomorrow. So happy May the 4th.
Weird fact about me, I have never watched Star Wars. I caught bits and pieces along the way but I have never seen an entire movie.
Hmmm. I donāt know what to advise on that one.
They are classics but I donāt know if watching them all now is worth it. Certainly going in the right chronology is advised
I just never bothered and yeah, there are so many now. My husband has kept up over the years. Few movies keep my interest.
Id watch the original trilogy but lower expectations. With todays standards of CGI and effects watching old movies who used hand painted backdrops and old school effects and comparing the two might impact your experience negatively
I was watching a show with my Mom awhile back, I think it was on Turner Classic Movies or something, it was about how they used to make special effects for movies and it was really incredible to see how things were made at a time BEFORE all of our technology. They were so creative.
GM. Any news wen merch?
soon fellow ape
Not often enough
I watched it from episode 1 with my wife and she enjoyed it like this had never seen any
Why. What more do you need. Greedy
Its always never enough for me
Never say always
Who has not? Kkkkkk
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I worked in a coal mine since the age of 9. Sue me. Productive citizen
I almost believed u
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In a coal mine but as the human resources right
Hey all,
A brief update on the status of significant projects:
I won't speak to the Art Department as I don't have oversight
Illuvium.io Website - A minor update currently In Test on UAT
Illuvidex - Update currently In Test on UAT (QOL changes, Minor Design improvements)
Beyond - Update currently In Test on UAT (Includes Public View Collections + QOL changes)
Zero v0.1.6 - Build currently In Test on UAT (Following this deployment we will be in a position to schedule the start of S1)
Merchandise Store v1 - Currently In Test on UAT (Physical goods have been shipped to Fulfillment partners and the Merch is looking excellent)
Overworld PB2 - Currently In Test on UAT
Staking - Update currently In Development
Arena PB3 - Currently In Development
Account System - Currently in the Early Stages of Development
Fuel Pool - Currently in the Early Stages of Development
Deck Builder - Currently in the Early Stages of Development (UIs look phenomenal, very exciting)
**Hiring: **
- Recently we added another Senior Backend Engineer to the Team š
- The focus is hiring Senior/Lead level Engineers
A general rule for each hire is that you must be outputting high value work that closes the gap between Alpha and Open Beta, hence the focus is predominantly engineers - I don't see this changing in the short-medium term
Operations
- Jeremy continues to do the work of an entire team.
- Hiring a Junior/Mid level to support him.
- Reduced outgoing $spend alongside Danny & Varto this past month or two.
Production
- Documentation across each project is robust. This forms a much improved way of briefing project work and estimating delivery dates.
- Clear roadmaps for each Project through to Open Beta and Full-release
- Continued improvements to tracking/reporting of operator SP burn-up
Ba-dun-tssk
You deserve to be happy
Haha
You should come out of the closet
Kkkkkk
Thats awesome man thank u very much
VERY much appreciate your updates Nick. Any idea when we will get the normal dev blogs back?
Aaron is currently killing himself ensuring the documentation for Fuel Pool, Game Launcher, Account App is immaculate (The better we can make the documentation, the faster the developers can find a solution and knock it out, less questions, less back and forth)
He's also revisiting Arena Documentation and uplifting it completely to match the new Project Model. (This is a massive piece of work that will take him within inches of death)
I was hoping for the launch of S1 Zero to be imminent
Good morning beautiful people
Apparently I should be in bed. You and Fraggy are here now, means I have stayed up too late.š
I am way to early. But baby is awake so. All good 
And thanks again for the nice words. 
Itās ok I got timed out twice today. Mods picking on me while you were asleep. They know I love the abuse.
Must be cause you deserved it
Once yes twice no
There is a lot of pride to be selected in a mod experiment
What is this account app I read? š
Nick, now delete that part so he sounds like a crazy person
VERY much appreciated your egirl date
Which by the way should have been me
In it's current state our Account Areas aren't as unified as we would like.
The Account System will be a single central app that integrates with the existing Web-Apps, Games etc.
It will feature standard Account type Settings, as well as game-specific data such as progress, achievements, and preferences.
Nick you're a legend, more transparent than the entire council
Great things are close š„µ
What is UAT?
Appreciate the updates šš¾āØļø
User acceptance testing
Oh i see. Thanks
Which stage of Zero now? When can we get the Zero BP?
We still in Season 0. According to this message #š®ćilluvium-zero message ,we are going to have 0.1.6 update this week, and then Season 1 with blueprints before end of this month
New role dzierski
Very clear, Thanks!
would prefer green color tho, i'm more "UP only" guy xD Red matches JoshETH.eth better ^^
How long has Ricky Tan not been Alex Wukar? Like this whole time I thought they were the same dude
Lol Crystal, I have not changed my base name
Nah my brain read two sets of words as.the same words.
I have prosopagnosia
Btw we're ALL waiting now...
It's grant Warwick.. it's literally the only topic that matters
Accept it, you got rejected again.
There isn't


