lore

[reef kindle]

I like the fact that no name, non-entities call for common sense whilst they themselves are woefully ignorant of the world we are living in. What these "theorists" are forgetting or ignoring is that Dumbledore was a stigmatised man, with a father in Azkaban, a mother and a sister dead on his watch, a brother that was as stigmatised as he was because of Aberforth's "fascinations" with goats. Dumbledore was accomplished, successful, and truly despised for it by large parts of the political scene. Those people would have blocked him in every turn, and they did. So maybe not so much as Dumbledore didn't want to help, as much as he simply couldn't...

[frank jewel]

As for going to Gaunt to read his mind in Azkaban, Dumbledore only does that because he's after memories about Voldemort, not because he wanted to clear his name. The only reason he tried to clear his name was because of what he saw.

[neon kindle]

The pair of socks thing was obvious

[jovial fulcrum]

You're living too much in the "what if " and "should" instead of accepting what the story IS...

just like voldy COULD have killed (or at least tried to kill) harry many times, but he didn't because story.

its about what happened, not what could or should have happened

[reef kindle]

wisdom of hindsight is no wisdom at all, it is called nagging 😉

[jovial fulcrum]

Im going to use that quote from now on

[frank jewel]

What can he do exactly? Plenty of death eaters were cleared without the help of Dumbledore. So Dumbledore being able to clear his name doesn't speak so much to what he could do as it was just him putting in a good word. He could have done the same to Sirius, however it wouldn't have changed the outcome. As there was no proof and Sirius had acted guilty throughout the year on top of everything else.

[neon kindle]

People should just read the books sometimes instead of saying nonsense

[frank jewel]

Theories are fun and all, but they are just theories

[jovial fulcrum]

honestly, theories are amazing and I can get behind someone, but I will never take them as canon unless they are accepted / acknowledged by WW or JK Rowling as true.

[celest pasture]

Yes, I agree. In the end it's the author's world.

[stoic snow]

He saves Harry from the guy

What more could you ask of him

And snape is the only reason Harry was able to kill Voldemort

Without those memories and snape killing dumbledore you have nothing

[meager harbor]

Anyone ever realise how pointless the sorcerers stone book was? Like the ending I mean? The only reason Voldemort got close to the stone was that Harry pulled it from his pocket. If he hadn’t been there in the first place then Dumbledore would have arrived at the ministry. Realised it was a hoax. Gone back and dealt with the weird Quirrel/Voldy hybrid himself..

[reef kindle]

yeah, well Harry was a dud... also, Philosopher's Stone if you please

[meager harbor]

My apologies. I have the American versions of the books on my kindle.

[reef kindle]

it is understandable, just always bugs me, like philosopher is not English enough for the publisher in the US? 😄

[fiery pilot]

[neon kindle]

WW?

[reef kindle]

Wizarding World, the website, I guess

[reef kindle]

After leaving his position as headmaster in the hands of Phineas Nigellus Black, Brutus Scrimgeour wrote The Beaters’ Bible, a guide for Beaters and a list of strategies he implemented as a professional Quidditch player.

Brutus Scrimgeour has just shot up the list of possible headmasters in 1890

Eupraxia Mole in 1876
Brutus Scrimgeour sometime between 1876 and circa 1890, maybe as late as 1900
Phineas Nigellus Black anything before 1925 in which year he died at the age 78

at the age of 30 in the year 1865 (approx.) Black had a wife and a total of 5 children, so that allows us to calculate his academic career

if he takes up a job at faculty in Hogwarts in and around the age he is 30 years old and dies as headmaster for some decades even, he might have been appointed as head around the age of 50 to 55

giving him roughly 20 years of teaching, that seems very respectable in muggle terms

[past nacelle]

Well, the guy we presume is the headmaster in the state of play is the distinguished gentleman standing to the left of the sorting hat stool, right? He doesn't look particularly old, in my opinion.

Not like Fig/Figg who you can obviously tell on the older end of the spectrum due to his grey/white hair.

[reef kindle]

true, I'm just merely stating, that whoever that person is, between Eupraxia Mole and Phineas Nigellus Black there seem to be Brutus Scrimgeour who was, for however long, Headmaster at Hogwarts

[past nacelle]

Was it stated specifically what years PNB was headmaster?

[reef kindle]

no, we only know that it lasted until 1925

[past nacelle]

So, wouldn't surprise me if the year we start is the same year PNB does. Especially if he ends up peripherally getting involved in our story, outside of being headmaster and not just Fig/Figg getting involved. I mean, he's the headmaster - he'd need to have an obvious role because it is an important role in a story set at Hogwarts, y'know?

I almost can't imagine them setting the headmaster role up for anybody else in this era except for PNB because he's both famous and infamous and it probably gives them an interesting character to play with story-wise. Brutus Scrimgeour, I'll be honest - just sounds like a temporary headmaster until another could be found that was more fitting. Especially if he was prominently known for Quidditch and the like, he was probably minorly popular as a headmaster choice but probably not the headmaster choice until PNB came along, regardless of how much he loathed the job. Considering what we talked about a few days ago about the Black family being rather prominent in politics in this time, that was maybe one of PNB's major reasons for being tasked as headmaster or him taking the role.

[reef kindle]

so, the video that I was watching got me thinking about Scrimgeour... it claimed they got the name as "leaked" and that said character is the potions professor from the State of Play video

I was just hoping to disprove or verify it

[past nacelle]

Honestly, now that you've gone and said that...knowing what Rufus Scrimgeour looks like and we know family genes in the wizarding world are pretty distinctive.. He does look quite a bit like Rufus' design in the movies and what I imagine he looked like the books so.. I'm thinking the potions professor might actually be Brutus Scrimgeour, I mean..he obviously walks with a limp (possibly Quidditch injury that ended his career) and he probably had to seek a back up career so he fell back on his second best subject outside of Quidditch, Potions. I've no idea, honestly though.

Honestly, until we get a roster of the professors names and such..we'll just be theorizing until the cows come home.

[reef kindle]

yeah, said video also mistakenly states that the potions prof is going to be the head after PNB, before Armando Dippet, that seems unlikely, since Dippet was already well over 200 years old at that time he took over

[past nacelle]

Hm, possibly he stood down as headmaster and stayed as potions professor because he knew he wasn't the best choice for the job, especially if PNB was coming into the picture.

[reef kindle]

makes it a bit crowded in the post in the 1880s, I think...

reminds me of the Dumbledore - Umbridge - Dumbledore - Snape - McGonagall saga from 1995 - 1998

[past nacelle]

Perhaps crap happened for alot of folks who were in the headmaster role in the 1800 and it was similar to the DADA post. Bad shi- happened until PNB got the role and stayed on for a long while.

Yeah, especially makes sense given the headmaster is also a politically charged role and wizarding politics from what we've gathered in the 1800's was a charged environment, especially if the Blacks were a political powerhouse at this point.

[reef kindle]

that we do not know, but Eupraxia Mole was in that post for a while

[past nacelle]

Especially if they're on the verge of another Goblin Rebellion and who knows how many have happened at this point.

[reef kindle]

true enough, which makes the more curious for me to choose a Quidditch Beater from the Montrose Magpies, who was a Slytherin, same as Black

[past nacelle]

Perhaps it was political decision, especially if he was injured and they were seeking somewhere to put him because he might've been a popular Quidditch figure.

Could be the same reason Rolanda Hooch became Quidditch instructor at Hogwarts instead of obviously playing professionally, as she probably could. Something happened (her gold/eagle eyes which don't seem quite natural) so something obviously occurred and she took the next best role she could that involved brooms and Quidditch because if it's a botched animagus form that gave her those eyes or a wonky transfiguration that gave her a permanent eagle eyes. That'd be the sort of thing to keep out of professional Quidditch for a sense of fairness.

[reef kindle]

interesting theory there, but I give you this, Brutus Scrimgeour is the one being credited to give Hogwarts a decent broom flying curriculum and the refurbishment of nigh derelict quidditch pitch, not to mention the securing of a budget for brooms, as we will take flying lessons, it seems to strengthen the argument that Scrimgeour was the Headmaster when we arrive, weather he was the potions prof, I cannot say

[past nacelle]

Hm, makes sense. Most other headmasters don't seem to particularly care for the sport.

[stoic snow]

also just wanna clarify. in canada we call it philosopher's stone as well

[terse glade]

Who’s the headmaster during HL? If it’s Everard (the guy in the painting who Dumbeldore converses with) then that’s cool to see him come to life; however I think it’s before his time

[jovial fulcrum]

We don't know yet. There are theories about it on youtube tho. It could be Eurpaxia Mole

[modern moth]

Yea, I was hoping for Mole.. other folks say we're getting Phineas Black

[terse glade]

Phineas Black will be odd but fan service for the sake of having a black in the game

[jovial fulcrum]

That's also something I heard, I personally think hes the potion teacher we saw in the trailer! (He used to teach potions no?)

[terse glade]

Ohh is that the bloke that looks like Aragorn or Boromir from Lord of the Rings hahah

[modern moth]

hahaha glad to know you saw that too! he does look like Viggo

[terse glade]

There better be context for some new spells “ancient magic” we’re going to get canon or not

In the form of collectibles similar to AC and the animus data collectibles that shed a story on them or like some arcane book or scroll that helps us learn/educate about them

[jovial fulcrum]

Oh yes please!

[gaunt glade]

I feel like Phineas is the most likely only because I remember reading or hearing somewhere that he was headmaster in the late 1800s

It'd be interesting though since I do remember Sirius saying that he was the least popular headmaster the school has ever had and I'm curious as to why

Maybe in the game if he is headmaster he gets that reputation because he didn't act on the goblin rebellion or didn't believe it was problem similar to how Fudge didn't think Voldemort was a problem and that will explain why he's described as being Hogwarts worse headmaster

[drifting turtle]

Does anyone know if they’ve said wether or not you can have an animal companion from the start. Kinda like with the books how you’re allowed a cat, owl, or a frog.

[reef kindle]

@terse glade @jovial fulcrum @gaunt glade There are 3 candidates for Headmistress/Headmaster, Eupraxia Mole was definitely the Headmistress in 1876, we know that. We also know that Phineas Nigellus Black was taking up a teaching job at Hogwarts around 1865, and he was Headmaster in the year of his death in 1925. Further to this, I found a line about Brutus Scrimgeour who was leaving Hogwarts in the capable hands of Phineas Nigellus Black. Brutus Scrimgeour was a very famous Beater, the youngest ever captain of a Quidditch team for Hogwarts (he was a third year when promoted to Captain of the Slytherin team), played for the Montrose Magpies. He is an interesting character in that he was the one that established broom flying lessons in the curriculum, secured budget for brooms and refurbished a derelict quidditch field at Hogwarts. I thought Phineas Nigellus Black would be the front runner, but I'm now on the opinion that Brutus Scrimgeour is the best candidate at the year 1890. Everard is too early, btw 1700s or early 1800s

[reef kindle]

it has not been expressly said, but at least we will have an owl for our post, I should think

[gaunt glade]

That's very interesting! I'm guessing Brutus is related to the Scrimgeor we know of as the Minister of Magic after Fudge?

[reef kindle]

most likely, that one, the Minister was called Rufus, very similar sounding name

[drifting turtle]

Sweet thank you for the info.

[reef kindle]

you are very welcome ^^

[gaunt glade]

Yeah that's very similar.

I know that there was a rumor in the books that Rufus was apparently a vampire. Idk if that rumor was actually true though

But maybe Brutus or somebody in the Scrimgeor family was a vampire and the disease or whatever vampirism is in the wizarding world got passed on thru the family

[reef kindle]

no, it wasn't true, Rufus Scrimgeour was the head of the Auror's office, a hard liner on law enforcement that is why he was selected to succeed the ousted Fudge. He also died most valiantly during the fall of the Ministry

I never came across anything like that, I would have teased my friend endlessly with that, as I have a friend whose last name is Scrimgeour 😄

[neon kindle]

Is rufus scrimgeour the one who puts the hat on the mcs head

[reef kindle]

in the State of Play video that is a witch

[gaunt glade]

Lol Scrimgeor is a really cool name! Awesome that someone irl actually has it lol

[neon kindle]

Or is it someone else in the scrimgeour family

[gaunt glade]

Interesting lol I suppose it makes sense the they wouldn't allow a vampire in the ministry

I looked it up just to refresh my memory and actually it wasn't really a rumor it was something the Luna Lovegood and her dad believed

[reef kindle]

Brutus Scrimgeour may have been the Potions professor we saw... I don't know if that is true

[reef kindle]

ah, so it was hogwash all together! Love Luna, but the girl had some issues 😄

[gaunt glade]

Her and her dad also wrote a long article but the ministry apparently forced them to not publish it lol and yeah agreed!

[reef kindle]

http://www.scrimgeourclan.org.uk/

[vivid owl]

Kind of happens when you see your mother/wife die in front of you with nothing you can do to stop it. Both of them dug into the weird as an explanation, but it was just an unfortunate accident.

[reef kindle]

sure, on the other hand, do you want weigh in on the Headmaster debate? Would like to hear what you think of it

[vivid owl]

I think Mole is out as she's most likely retired not long after the Peeves accident, she had been headmistress for a while already by then

so it's between Scrimgeour and Black

[gaunt glade]

I'm betting most of my galleons on Black lol. I think he's a bit more well known than Scrimgeor so more likely they'd choose to make him the headmaster I think

[vivid owl]

Maybe Scrimgeour is head whilst Black is the potions master

[reef kindle]

I have a niggling feeling it might be Scrimgeour, because of the flying lessons

[past nacelle]

Well, whoever the potions teacher is, he's got a limp so clearly he must have an interesting story to tell there if it's either Black or Scrimgeour.

[vivid owl]

Could be black and one of his kids just kicked him

remember he wasn't great with children and his eldest Sirius would be attending school and in his 3rd year

or just pranking his dad simply cos

[past nacelle]

Well, if pranking ran in the blood....

[vivid owl]

I'd love it if everyone assumes the potions professor has a limp cos of some cool mysterious story and it just turns out that he was chasing after his kid and fell over and broke his knee that badly that even magic couldn't set it right properly

Phineas just being like "Sirius get back here!" Sirius runs around a corner at speed, Phineas tries to follow, slips, twists and hears a snap as his knee just goes

oofed

[past nacelle]

Yikes..As someone who's injured their knee before, it's not pleasant.

[reef kindle]

I did break my right knee while playing rugby at age 14, it was fun getting back to health... never touched the darn ball again, I can tell you 😄

[past nacelle]

Yeah, see - I didn't injure my knee playing sports. It got injured from wrecking it in an accident on a scooter as a young'un travelling with my mother to my grandparents. I didn't even notice I'd damaged it enough to leave a scar or that it eventually screwed with my already crappy balance until long after. Pain tolerance is through the roof, at times I swear.

[vivid owl]

My dad tore 7 out of the 8 ligaments around his knee in a football accident, couldn't walk for 2 years almost, then got super fit to do martial arts again, but beyond playing 1 game of football again to prove he could do it, he never really kicked a ball again, as it'd still cause pain for him.

Then he had 2 kids and both of us would run to give him hugs as children and we'd run straight into his damaged knee. lol. We didn't know about it at the time being too young.

So yeah recovering from that sort of accident is difficult

especially if you have children

so however the potions professor got his injury, if he is professor Black then he'd not be having a fun time having to chase after his children

perhaps that's why he doesn't like children, his own kept running in to his injured leg when trying to give him a hug.

[reef kindle]

he had 5 of those after all

[tropic jewel]

I'm on the fence rn on who the potion master/teacher and the headmaster are

I'm happy to wait and found out or get more info before forming theories. better not to be disappointed

[slow horizon]

headmaster is Black

Potion is a noname

[reef kindle]

the thing is Tuck, Potions has a leaked name, that is Brutus Scrimgeour

[vivid owl]

Thought Brutus was just meant to be a headmaster option for the time, not the potions master

[reef kindle]

I was watching a video about Hogwarts Legacy, a wild theory here and there

but the fellow named the potions professor as Brutus Scrimgeour and also named the Herbology professor and the divination professor, the latter being Cassandra Trelawney (in her maiden name)

[tropic jewel]

that makes more sense on why he has a limp

if it's true of course

[slow horizon]

One hears many things, my lord. Which among them is the truth is not clear.

[past nacelle]

I feel like that's a reference...

[reef kindle]

that may well be true, it bears investigation, nonetheless

[slow horizon]

Where was that leaked anyway ?

[high creek]

We shouldn't really be discussing leaks in here.

[reef kindle]

I'm still looking for that, I found out about Brutus Scrimgeour, but it never states what was he teaching, only that he was a famed Quidditch player, a Slytherin and that he was Headmaster right before Phineas Nigellus Black became Head

[reef kindle]

true, I'm only trying to disprove it anyway 😄

[high creek]

Let's call it a theory or a rumour rather than a leak, just for my sake.

[vivid owl]

Whilst I think Cassandra Trelawny is Sybil's grandmother, I can't remember anything about her working at Hogwarts. Yes she was famous as a prophecy maker, but not as a teacher.

[reef kindle]

I can do that, rumours they are...

here is the rumour mill that got me thinking
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VqbyiaIN5iI

I have to stress, that I do not condone most of the things said in the video

and he has factually misplaced Brutus Scrimgeour in time, which really got me thinking on the veracity of anything he says... 😄

[past nacelle]

Well, let's be real - JKR's timeline is all over the place..I.E Slughorn for example.

[tropic jewel]

reminds me of the days of trying to understand the naruto timeline

[past nacelle]

Oh gods... Don't, just don't.

[tropic jewel]

the fact that fans made an accurate timeline of events when the creator didn't boggles the mind to the day

no doubt other fans for hp did the same for this franchise

but yeah, LASTMARUADER isn't the best when it comes to his vids lately. I was following Podcast Now and RetroRaconteur

[modern moth]

where would the author of the video get Mason as Cassandra's maiden name? I thought she was supposed to be Vablatsky

[past nacelle]

Well, so far - LASTMARUADER has held my attention so far. Wouldn't be surprised if he flubbed it a bit because he's got notes all over the place, gods know I couldn't keep my shtick straight if I had notes going all over the place. xD

[reef kindle]

apparently, the rumour was originating from actress Julia Farino, who stated on her imbd page that she voiced Helen Thistlewood and Cassandra Mason

I found no evidence to support any of this

[vivid owl]

RetroRaconteur does seem to stick to the already existing known lore and even accepts info from others who know lore that he doesn't so his videos on HL have been pretty decent.

[modern moth]

I see, well I mean, it's plausible, since we don't really have much to link Trelawney & Vablatsky anyway

ty Lahr

[vivid owl]

Also Cassandra Mason doesn't have to become Cassandra Trelawney

[past nacelle]

To be fair, Cassandra is a rather common name for potential seers and the like. I believe it's a name dating back to ancient Greece.

[vivid owl]

You know what's a Pureblood family I'd like to see more of, the Tripe family.

lol

and yeah true, Cassandra is a very common "seer" name

also don't laugh at the Tripe family, they exist.

[past nacelle]

I snickered, but that's it.

xD

[vivid owl]

https://harrypotter.fandom.com/wiki/Tripe

[past nacelle]

It's not the worst name, honestly.

[vivid owl]

Got to like how the family even redirects to the meal/bertie botts bean

lol

[neon kindle]

How is that confusing?

[vivid owl]

https://harrypotter.fandom.com/wiki/Magenta_Tripe

But that's the character we know exists

[past nacelle]

Longbottom is definitely sounding like a Hobbit name, the more I think on it.

[tropic jewel]

conflicting information about characters, events and the like makes it hard to place people in one time. It was worse when it was being released and before an unofficial/heavily fan made and pretty accurate timeline broke down the universe

[reef kindle]

actually Longbottom is sounding like the upper class chap's name from the Two Ronnies sketch 😄

[tropic jewel]

there were timelines for Kakashi gaiden/childhood since there were a lot of conflicting information from dozens of characters about this time. conflicts, retcons and so on made it a headache to follow and trace events if someone wanted to do a more canon based setting/fanfiction/fanart

[modern moth]

Longbottom is the name of someone with a longbottom

[vivid owl]

You know here'd be an interesting Pureblood family name, Plantagenet.

If only, lol.

[neon kindle]

Oh ok fair

[reef kindle]

I'd love that 😄

[tropic jewel]

then there were conflicts with the first few wars of the ninja world. As in hashirama died in the first and Tobirama died at the end of the first or during the second.

So just a mess

[past nacelle]

Considering the muggle side of the family line.... Twisty turvy doesn't even begin to describe it.

[neon kindle]

I wonder if we will be able to see many people in families like the potters or the grangers

[vivid owl]

But I mean potentially if a child of one of the Plantagenet kings had magic, then they could have been made to "disappear" from public sight, allowing them to go off to Hogwarts and join the magical community

[covert pivot]

Well granger is a muggle name so probably not. Potter, yes

[vivid owl]

there are plenty of Plantagenet children who died around 7 or 8 when accidental magic is meant to be showing up to make it work

[past nacelle]

Potentially there might be a Granger ancestor, since I always assumed the Hector Dagworth-Granger name was an ancestor to Hermione's family or some relation.

[neon kindle]

So? They can be muggle born

[vivid owl]

Names become double barrelled, they don't undouble-barrel

[reef kindle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4HflC2L7M4

[covert pivot]

But if there is they prob won’t be in any relation to hermoine

[vivid owl]

In otherwords you couldn't go from Dagworth-Granger to Granger without also losing the Granger in a marriage

[covert pivot]

We will probably see Weasley, potter, malfoy, black, longbottom and so on. The sacred 28 or whatever

[neon kindle]

If there a granger then there gonna be an ancestor

[tropic jewel]

since i believe the sacred 28 were formed earlier that century it would make sense to see

[past nacelle]

Is this lore talk or is this family tree talk? It seems like that's all we've been on the past day or two. Family line talk. xD Not that it isn't interesting, because it is. I'm just entirely amused that it's a large chunk of the topics in here.

[covert pivot]

Except hermoine is muggle born, so no, they won’t be

Unless the granger we see is a muggle

[vivid owl]

Blame Rowling for making it such a big part of her world.

[reef kindle]

well, those at least we know of 😄

[neon kindle]

If there also muggle born then technically yes but whatevs

[tropic jewel]

could even have members that nearly died out or died out by modern day

[covert pivot]

Mate what?? You’re making me lose brain cells

[past nacelle]

Muggleborns are either born from dead lines that have gone muggle or gone squibbed or they're brand new family magic. It's up in the air because it's never really looked into.

[serene ibex]

Usually muggle borns have a wizard in their line somewhere

[tropic jewel]

technically, by the third generation the muggle blood should have been replaced with magical or what not. Why they wouldn't be considered a new pureblood line/family (technically) nor would their children, their grand children and great grandchildren would be fully magical overall

[neon kindle]

I worded it wrong i ment if there a Granger then it depends

[covert pivot]

I was just under the impression muggle borns are just rare cases. Anomalies

[tropic jewel]

of course, compared to ancient magical families they would be upstarts but that's just normal new money vs old money

[serene ibex]

Not sure about the exact lore

[reef kindle]

no-one is... we formed a theory in which magic acts like radiation

never dissipates, always building

[neon kindle]

Exactly

[covert pivot]

Well JKR isn’t even sure about the lore herself

[past nacelle]

YES! Glad to see that is still alive and kicking theory.

[tropic jewel]

or magic is internal source for each person and ancient magic is primeval/natural magic

[reef kindle]

generation by generation, until one is magical enough 😄

[reef kindle]

a few things we came up already, so yeah, we will keep the flames alive 😄

[neon kindle]

Well shes not involved so they basically can do anything they just need to explain it in a good way

[tropic jewel]

ngl, i stopped caring about anything she said after the books/movies ended

[neon kindle]

Same

[past nacelle]

Amen to that.

[tropic jewel]

if it's not in the books or what not it's not canon and is more author headcanon

[vivid owl]

I mostly came up with this cos the way Rowling describes it reeks of eugenics and frankly I'd like to pull HP away from that.

[covert pivot]

Would be nice if WB is using HL as an experiment to see if they can start doing expanded universe in the wizarding world. New content retconning a bunch of bs JKR put out

[tropic jewel]

that would be really fun

[neon kindle]

I hope HL means more wizarding world games

[tropic jewel]

could also go alternative timelines/worlds

[past nacelle]

Just do us a favour JK and hand it over already, it's not a George Lucas situation where they've driven the franchise into the ground but clearly - it'd do far better in other hands. 🤣

[reef kindle]

but Sangueists can explain this so eloquently 😄

[tropic jewel]

so because the game starts off in 1890 we could end up drastically changing things and retgonning events or even have them not happen...or happen differently

[vivid owl]

That's why I talk about muggle-borns potentially getting new bloodline traits, and the like, keep with the existing lore but not follow the fairly nasty pattern that Rowling has set up.

[vivid owl]

Give it to me, I already know the lore better, lol.

[tropic jewel]

i'm curious on why no one married out of countries. there has to be noble clans/families in other communities

[past nacelle]

I don't think Rowling even realized the implications she'd set up.

[reef kindle]

well, the Lastranges are French technically...

[vivid owl]

I don't think she fully understood it either, but she still wrote it.

[neon kindle]

Just give the franchise to actual fans of the hp universe and they can start off fresh

[tropic jewel]

True

but that's still european

[past nacelle]

Yeah, I don't see the HP franchise getting the Disney Star Wars treatment.

[covert pivot]

Like HL is to gauge the public’s reaction to new wizarding world content, it prob costs less than tv show or some other kinda content. If positive reaction, tv shows maybe?

[vivid owl]

I'd give Leta Lestrange as an example, but err how she came about was less than ideal.

[reef kindle]

you will find to this day it is not a custom of other continentals to marry outside their "tribal" norms

[neon kindle]

Like i want explore morg outside of hogwarts make a book/movie in a different school or just make a story at hogwarts but a different main character in a different house maybe in the future or past?

[tropic jewel]

Huh. interesting

[past nacelle]

I'd love for an eventual MMO, personally. Especially if it ends up being a big world and covering more than just Wizarding Britain.

[neon kindle]

Id love to see another open world game honestly i want many

[reef kindle]

Albania, here I come 😄

[vivid owl]

The story though would have to be kind of limited in such a thing, either that or it could be set in an alternate universe where the 1st blood war is still going on

[slow horizon]

And it shouldn't. Sequels should never have happened. It was a butchery.

[neon kindle]

An unreal 5 hogwarts would be epic

[tropic jewel]

Could do massive expansions and story lines in an MMO and have it focused on some element or country. have it hinted at in prior expansions and base etc

[past nacelle]

Honestly, my idea about wizarding world MMO taking place at the age of the Founders or before where it was more than just wand waving wizards floating about seems like a good idea. It also spreads it out so that the idea that there's far more than just wands to cast magic with.

[tropic jewel]

but i honestly see this as a test to see if HP can be salvage and improved

wand magic is more european magic tbf

[reef kindle]

what the devs captured perfectly is that they've identified Hogwarts as a common theme in all the Wizarding World, if you take that out, you need to have established something in its place, a more universal truth... Hard to do that.

[neon kindle]

Id love to see a massive tournament with other schools in other countries do a sort of tri wizard tournament

[past nacelle]

Yeah, so probably Founders era if we ever get back that far would be the strong point for an MMO.

[neon kindle]

a founders book franchise would be amazing

[tropic jewel]

there are pros and cons on that but it would likely be really controversal

[covert pivot]

Waiting on marauders series.

[past nacelle]

Seeing Hogwarts being created or when it started out would be cool.

[tropic jewel]

at least on a character standpoint. Some of the mystery of that time is we don't know the finer details or many details of things

[past nacelle]

Pft, no. No Marauder series. We don't need to see James being a bully 24-7 and mooning over Evans.

[reef kindle]

founders era is early Middle Ages, the start of the Dark Age in Europe, it is a risk taking the franchise so far back, it could easily become an Assassins' Creed Franchise 2 with less killing pseudo-historical figures...

[covert pivot]

Yes we do

[tropic jewel]

so one of the things that could happen in the founder era is declare once and for all what happened to slytherin after he was yeeted. We could find out whether the modern/current beliefs of blood purity were meant or he was just very overzealous about bringing in muggleborns when the muggles ran around harming/killing them.

Any answer would be likely deemed unsatisifactory by now

[covert pivot]

Durmstrang or beauxbaton series. Maybe grindlewald & albus origin story

[reef kindle]

I think exonerating Slytherin in any way, just to wash it down the throats of modern audiences would be a mistake, leave it in the forgotten

[tropic jewel]

Yeah, I agree with that overall

best not to ask/question

[past nacelle]

I'm rather fond of my theory that there's something in the water/air that creates major dark lords/ladies/dark wizards for every generation going back as far as Merlin and Le Fay's time because really, it would take a stupidly strong dark witch or wizard to infect the magic in the world like that. Especially if we go by Albania being a Dark nexus where it's practically a haven for those of the darker tendencies to hide out.

[reef kindle]

also, now that the core of the readers of Harry Potter are in their adult years, I think we shouldn't shy away from the negatives or downright dastardly events and attitudes

[tropic jewel]

it also makes more sense that whether good intention or not or outright paranoia it was tied to the schisms in that world and snowballed over centuries of indoctroations

honestly there isso much wrong with this world that is brushed over

[past nacelle]

Or if Slytherin's direct descendants besmirched his name because of their own inflated egos got out of control, especially if one was named Salazar II Slytherin or something and history blurred the lines between them. It'd make sense, somewhat. History can get real blurry like that.

Especially if details on the Founders time is truly scarce and almost forbidden knowledge outside of the accepted common truth that is currently going around modern Wizarding Britain.

Also, notice there's no wizarding portraits of the Founders? That's especially telling, in my opinion.

Mostly because it seems like every great witch and wizard has a portrait somewhere but the Founders? It's as if they vanished from existence, leaving only their name and descendants to go down in history. Methinks someone removed/destroyed those portraits because it didn't fit with the ideal image that people had of the Founders.

Some things are better left forgotten, as the saying goes.

[reef kindle]

their personalities live on in the Sorting Hat, so that is more power to them that all the paintings in the castle

[tropic jewel]

ngl, i like wolfe's conspiracy theory

hands over a tinfoil hat

[past nacelle]

[tropic jewel]

I enjoy all kinds of theories

and what ifs

[past nacelle]

Well, I've been going through these conspiracy theories for a long time. It's just nice to have someone to put my thoughts into words.

[tropic jewel]

keeps the series alive anf fresh

[past nacelle]

Also, does it really sound like a conspiracy theory? Especially knowing what we do about the fragile egos of the Pureblood dogma?

[tropic jewel]

nah. it makes sense

probably ministry backed too

only let the official version be known

[past nacelle]

Considering that the Slytherin purebloods likely would have a heart attack if they knew their founder wanted to help and save abused and orphaned muggleborns who had nowhere to go because of being ousted for their magic.

[tropic jewel]

I have no doubt the other founders had just as much dirty laundry

[past nacelle]

Oh yeah, we can guess as much looking at Helena Ravenclaw/The Grey Lady and the Bloody Baron's story. Especially if we pick up the hint that Rowena wasn't as perfect as her house made her seem. She was probably not quite capable of looking after her family, especially if she was enamoured with her work and had an especially workaholic attitude that her daughter just couldn't connect to.

And if they had a huge massive falling out that led to her stealing the famed Diadem of Ravenclaw and taking it to Albania, where she died by Bloody Baron, who committed suicide out of grief and somehow their ghosts made it back to the castle.

Wouldn't surprise me if Bloody Baron didn't initially mean to kill Helena. Especially if Albania really is a warped and vile Nexus of dark magic that screws with everybody but those attuned to the dark arts/dark magic.

See, this is why you shouldn't let me get rolling with my lore/conspiracy theory hat on...It makes scary amounts of sense but also...I hate when I ramble and nobody answers my ramblings!

[tropic jewel]

I love reading the ramblings

I adore lore so just having others to bounce ideas with is enough

XpectoGO is another lore/theory channel for the game. he does weekly or twice weekly theory streams. One is going on rn

[pine summit]

I know that feeling when ppl don't answer anything... Just came to check this out so had to take some time to read 😅

[pine summit]

Surely everyone had something

Personally i liked the founder story of Ilvermorny and would be really interesting to hear more of that too and somehow i see it could be linked to this, bur probably not. Someone has surely said this here already tho...

[slow horizon]

To be frank, I think Salazar is getting a bad rap for the blood purity. I don't think he felt that pure bloods are superior, but that muggle borns are untrustworthy and he had good reasons for it since muggles hunted wizards back then.

So if an all out wizard muggle war were to break out, wizard families were obviously going to fight alongside their kin, but there was a risk that muggle borns would fight alongside muggles against wizards since their families are muggles , and so training them to use magic was risky. It's like training a potential enemy.

[past nacelle]

There's also that too but I don't think he'd think they were mudbloods and filth, I just think he'd be cautious and he'd probably gladly have helped the abused and orphaned muggleborn with nowhere to go, too.

[celest pasture]

But he thought wizards were superior.

[tropic jewel]

sips tea

[past nacelle]

Possibly in the 'we can wield magic' sense but not in the lording it over everyone sense.

[slow horizon]

There's not only pure blood wizards. Dumbledore also belived that wizards have a right to lord over muggles just because they have power.

[past nacelle]

Dumbledore is an idiot but also he's a smart idiot. Gryffindor for a reason and not Ravenclaw, y'know?

[slow horizon]

"Yes, we have been given power and yes, that power gives us the right to rule, but it also gives us responsibilities over the ruled. We must stress this point, it will be the foundation stone upon which we build. Where we are opposed, as we surely will be, this must be the basis of all our counterarguments. We seize control FOR THE GREATER GOOD."

• Dumbledore

[celest pasture]

Looking at salazar's descendents and worshippers, I don't think so.

Yeah, and Dumbledore regrets and changed. That's why he is different.

[slow horizon]

He still work within that framework even after he "changed"

thus he raised Potter as a swine for slaughter

[tropic jewel]

never liked dumbledore. One of my least favorite by far.

[celest pasture]

I'm talking about applying this world view to the treatment of muggles and not Harry.

[past nacelle]

Eh, I like that he's a complex and multifaceted character but as a person? Much like Snape, he's not that great.

[slow horizon]

Ever play the pass it on game ? Were the message always retained ?

Muggle borns are untrustworthy can quickly become in the course of centuries that pure bloods are superior and others are scum

[past nacelle]

Harry's just an idiot and looking at them with rose tinted glasses to be naming his kid Albus Severus Potter. He must really want this kid to be hated and loved in equal measure, poor kid.

[celest pasture]

Even Harry thinks that "for the greater good" is needed to kill Voldemort in the end.

[tropic jewel]

he drank the koolaid

[past nacelle]

Oh yeah, totally.

[tropic jewel]

after one of the few people who were a semi-positive adult figure in his life indoctrated him

the entire series was drinking dumbledore koolaid

[past nacelle]

And I've also repeatedly complained about Harry's faults and stupidity. Along with the fact he didn't try to kill Voldemort properly but fired either a disarmer or a stunner at him...I swear, he's malfunctioning from coming back from the dead. His brain isn't all there then.

[tropic jewel]

and i went through too much irl stuff to trust or like any of the characters as a person

[slow horizon]

And Dumbledore, planning to transfer the Elder Wand's ownership to Snape... If his plan worked out, Riddle would've mastered the wand

[celest pasture]

Yeah and that wouldn't change his destiny, since Harry himself said, that the Horcruxes are more important than the Hallows.

[slow horizon]

He was always an idiot, but at least he was "lucky" cough plot armor cough.

But yeah, he should've used the killing curse on Riddle especially since he knew that the elder wand was his

He had no problem using the other two unforgivables

[past nacelle]

Perhaps not the killing curse. Gods know the sheep watching the fight on the sidelines would've labelled a dark lord, again.

[celest pasture]

Harry knew that he was protected by blood magic, so no need for the killing curse.

[slow horizon]

At least he could've fired a few sectumsempra, no ?

[tropic jewel]

there is a lot of issues with the blood magic

[slow horizon]

he knew the bloody curses

[past nacelle]

Maybe something lethal but not outright dark, like Sectumsempra, yeah. Aim it for the neck, he can't heal that quickly.

[tropic jewel]

especially since it would have been weakened/broken by the ressurrection or so it says

hades, just a normal spell at the throat. set him on fire or blow him up

there has to be general cutting charms or something

so just slash his arms, legs and neck and cause him to bleed out

[slow horizon]

I mean, Potter had no issue with torturing Carrow with the Cruciatus curse properly, he could've used a lethal curse on Riddle

[past nacelle]

I think Rowling just cemented Harry was an idiot with plot armor and luck. Looks at Naruto. Oh, who else do we know like that in other popular franchises? I swear, why is making an idiot the main character such a popular trope...It gets annoying.

[slow horizon]

And we know that he DID enjoy torturing Carrow, since the curse worked properly this time, unlike when he used it on Bellatrix in his 5th year

[past nacelle]

Bella' would've been proud. Haha.

[tropic jewel]

trixie would be indeed

[slow horizon]

but then hero cape goes back on, brain malfunction and disarming is the only noble way. almost as if he had principles lol

[celest pasture]

His curse was "torturing" the carrow for like 2 seconds, before he collapsed, so not really comparable to Bellatrix's use of it.

But yeah I agree, that generally Harry's magic was not very diverse.

[slow horizon]

Nah, I meant that he cursed Bellatrix with it, but he was only rightfully angry that she killed Sirius and did not mean it nor enjoy causing pain to Bellatrix so the curse did not work on her.

He on the other hand suscessfully used it on Carrow, and even noted Bellatrix's advice.

[past nacelle]

Well, we can tell Harry was taking the kid gloves off for the majority of the war, fighting dangerously and with certain spells but then the final battle comes and it's like 'Oh shi - people are watching, better act like an idiot and malfunction and cast a stupidly simple and unbelievable spell at Voldemort...wait..did that actually work?'

I'd think Hermione or Ron who was with him for the entirety of the time would be questioning why the hell did he stop using dangerous spells? Like..come on, Potter... xD

[tropic jewel]

but that would sully his hero persona

[slow horizon]

"“Never used an Unforgivable Curse before, have you, boy?” she yelled. She had abandoned her baby voice now. “You need to mean them, Potter! You need to really want to cause pain - to enjoy it - righteous anger won’t hurt me for long"

• Bellatrix Lestrange

"Harry pulled the Cloak of himself, raised his wand, and said, “You shouldn’t have done that.”

As Amycus spun around, Harry shouted, “Crucio!”

The Death Eater was lifted of his feet. He writhed through the air like a drowning man, thrashing and howling in pain, and then, with a crunch and a shattering of glass, he smashed into the front of a bookcase and crumpled, insensible, to the floor.

“I see what Bellatrix meant,” said Harry, the blood thundering through his brain, “you need to really mean it"."

• Deathly Hallows

[celest pasture]

It probably was used to underline the superiority of Harry, since Voldemort couldn't even hurt the other Hogwarts students and teachers after his sacrifice.

[tropic jewel]

and make him morally grey and we can't have that

[past nacelle]

The hero is supposed to get blood on his sword, metaphorically in this case and it's a significant sign of 'He's finally killed the enemy that's been plaguing him since day one in this world'.

[slow horizon]

Blood on his sword hmm

[tropic jewel]

just reminded me of the golden gryffindor and having to be heroic/good and pure

can't do anything that might get tongues wagging

[past nacelle]

He was already going morally grey, using the crucio and imperius already.

[slow horizon]

He def should've used sectumsempra

[celest pasture]

That would be very weird tbh.

[slow horizon]

I mean that's a simple and lethal spell, does not even require you to know what it does let alone mean it mentally

Perfect for war

Hit Riddle a few times in the chest with it, and as he lies on the ground, mercy kill him or just let him suffer to death.

[celest pasture]

Of course a lethal spell would be more epic, but using dark magic in such a moment totally wouldn't fit.

[past nacelle]

I just think Rowling fudged up and tried to recover the golden boy persona but it's kinda ruined, honestly. He's been using dangerous spells, almost lethal spells at times and used the Unforgivables already. He was practically rounding out the Light Lord Dumbledore and the Dark Lord Voldemort with becoming the Grey Lord Potter.

[celest pasture]

I didn't have this impression at all. Otherwise she wouldn't have written Harry using crucio etc.

[slow horizon]

But okay, forget lethal spells, forget dark curses.

at least use something OFFENSIVE instead of just defensive nonsense

[past nacelle]

I don't see Sectumsempra as a dark spell, honestly. I see at a lethal combat spell, that it's suppose to be.

[slow horizon]

A Flipendo would've been more proper than Expelliarmus

[celest pasture]

Snape calls it dark magic. I'm gonna trust him in this case.

[past nacelle]

Snape was probably trying to ward Potter off from using his spell, thinking Potter would go 'Ick, dark magic.' when in reality..he's been using dark magic like Crucio and Imperius throughout the war. What's one more to the list? Kill him, Potter! - I just imagined me saying that to Harry in a Palpatine/Sidious voice. xD

[tropic jewel]

would have still made more sense than canon

[celest pasture]

Another instance, which proves it's dark magic is that Fred's cut off ear, was cut off by...dark magic.

[slow horizon]

Just realized a plot hole, Potter did incriminate himself with the note of Bellatrix's advice in front of McGonagall.... The curse was not yet legal back then

[past nacelle]

If it was Sectumsempra, they wouldn't have been able to heal him. He'd have bled out because only Snape knew the counter, none of the Order did.

[celest pasture]

Reread the passage. Lupin explains what happened.

Cleaning and healing a wound is still possible. But the damage can't be reversed completely.

[tropic jewel]

I'm with wolfe right now

it makes the most amount of sense given the canon and what we know of the spell and how it worked or could be reversed/attended to

[celest pasture]

It literally is in the book.

[tropic jewel]

i don't have the books with me but was the exact spell used on him?

[celest pasture]

Yes, Snape hit Fred with Sectumsempra.

[tropic jewel]

alright then it shouldn't have been able to heal this wound. So i put it up to jkr mixing up her own lore or deciding tro do something different

[celest pasture]

...

It just proves that it's dark magic, as Snape himself said.

[tropic jewel]

okay so it shouldn't have been able to be healed or cleaned really due to the nature of this spell

but this is ngoing in circles

[celest pasture]

What indicates that? You think he should have just bled to death?

Just his ear got cut off, nothing "serious".

[tropic jewel]

why are you being so confrontational

[celest pasture]

uh, I just use the book as my source

[tropic jewel]

Clearly several people here, along with myself, agree that given the nature of the spell it would have likely caused him to bleed out or have a far greater injury than just a nonserious missing ear based off what was presented in prior books

this set up what to be expected of the spell

[past nacelle]

Given what the spell did to Draco in book 6, I'd imagine even a small cut from the curse would be messy and I do recall the book stating Fred was pale, meaning he was losing blood and losing it rapidly. Even if your ear gets cut off, if it's in a messy fashion, there's still potential to bleed out.

Yeah, Draco almost had a death experience from Harry whammying him with it in the bathroom and that was practically from hip to collarbone.

[celest pasture]

How does this disprove that it was dark magic? The point I make is that it is indeed dark.

[slow horizon]

Yeah, though I think he aimed for a death eater and it missed and hit him instead

[celest pasture]

Exactly.

[pine summit]

I prefer Harry didn't end Vold with the killing curse, cos first of all he was only 17yrs teen!! But a do agree that something else than Expelliarmus would've been nice, like why not stop using it so often after hearing it had become his label anyway?

[past nacelle]

Exactly. The stunning spell and the disarmer was becoming his trademark, it's how they found him in the beginning during the Seven Potters thing.

[tropic jewel]

even for mundane injuries you can die from that easily. I would imagine magical would be far more horrific

[slow horizon]

Well, Riddle killed first when he was 16 maybe ? And he tortured others before he was 11.

So Potter could've used the killing curse just fine

[past nacelle]

And he quickly switched up to more dangerous spells over the course of the war, and even used Imperio and Crucio. Killing Voldemort with something like Sectumsempra would've been better than the non-lethal 'I'm Gryffindor's Golden Boy and I don't kill'. Bish, excuse me, you killed Quirrell. Your hands aren't clean, buddy! But no, seriously - the way I saw it was Harry was rounding out to be the Grey Lord that was sat firmly between the Light Lord Dumbledore and Dark Lord Voldemort. He wasn't afraid to get his hands a bit bloody.

I mean, you put him in dangerous situations - you can expect him to eventually reach a point where he's going to go lethal. It makes the most logical sense but I think it was just JKR backtracking.

[pine summit]

And make him killer? I do get the point Volde deserved that in every way but still i wouldn't have wanted the blood on Harrys hand. Rather some from Order of the Phoenix, but naturally that couldn't be the great end in Harrys books.

[pine summit]

But true true still

[past nacelle]

Harry already had blood on his hand and honestly, logically - metaphorically, the hero is supposed to kill the bad guy in the penultimate showdown, bloodying his sword with his enemies and showing the world He is here and VICTORIUS!

[pine summit]

Would've been nice to give him to the dementors first

[pine summit]

Yeah, that's why i didn't like the movie version of the ending fight. There would've been the more glorious victory even with the Expelliarmus if the audience would've been there around them like in the books.

[past nacelle]

I liked one aspect of the movie showdown that the books didn't have, that flying battle going all across the castle.

[pine summit]

Showing off was pretty much against Harry's nature anyway

[pine summit]

Even tho you cannot apparate in the castle? That was against the magical laws there

[past nacelle]

To be fair, the wards had shattered at that point due to Voldemort overpowering them with his army firing on the wards and his use of the Elder Wand/Deathstick.

[pine summit]

I liked the fight inside the castle tho, before Harry wanted to hug and jump over the edge and unite with Volde

[pine summit]

Probably were. It still didn't work for me that well. Yet do like all of the movies, it's not so big deal. More pissed of that ending what Harry did to the Elderwand 😩

More like why followinf the whole "story of the broken wand" if they were not gonna end it correctly

Just wondering

[manic igloo]

Theres a lot from the books that's not translated to the movies and there's a lot in the last few movies that's not in the books. The whole last movie almost is just a SFX-fest and trying to tie some loose ends the other movies left open. I don't really like the last 2 movies that much tbh. It's pretty and dramatic here and there but a lot is over the top in my opinion

Though I adored the last book

[past nacelle]

Pretty sure the giant horde of spiders when Ron is being tempted by the Horcrux wasn't in the book because I remember looking at that scene and going.. "I don't remember a horde of spiders being mentioned.."

[gaunt glade]

I would love it if like Percy Jackson if Harry Potter also got a TV show entirely based off of the books lol I feel like that could be so good

[past nacelle]

Honestly, I feel like that should be far in the future for a while because we're still in the age where the movies (despite not being really recent, still kinda feel like they've not long been out, y'know?) Might be because the Fantastic Beasts films are still ongoing, they've kind of kept the movie series somewhat relevant.

[vivid owl]

On the Black Dog thing that had been raised in a different chat.

Padfoot
In Wakefield,[14] Leeds, Pudsey and some areas of Bradford the local version of the legend is known as Padfoot. A death omen like others of its type, it may become visible or invisible and exhibits certain characteristics that give it its name. It is known to follow people with a light padding sound of its paws, then appearing again in front of them or at their side. It can utter a roar unlike the voice of any known animal, and sometimes the trailing of a chain can be heard along with the pad of its feet. It is best to leave the creature alone, for if a person tries to speak to or attacks it then it will have power over them. One story tells of a man who tried to kick the Padfoot and found himself dragged by it through hedge and ditch all the way to his home and left under his own window. Although usually described as black, another tale concerns a man who encountered a white Padfoot. He attempted to strike it with his stick but it passed completely through, and he ran home in fear. Soon afterward he fell sick and died.

Though English, black dog folklore has spread to other parts of the British Isles. In Scotland the "Muckle Black Tyke" is a black dog that presides at the Witches' Sabbath and is supposed to be the Devil himself, whilst near the village of Murthly is a standing stone, and it is said that the person brave enough to move it will find a chest guarded by a black dog.

So there is a chance we could meet Muckle Black Tyke

Or if you wanted a cat instead
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beast_of_Buchan

Though the earliest sightings of it are meant to be from the 1930s, so that puts it a bit late for the game, but eh you can mess with the timeline a bit.

I guess the problem is after wolves died out, Britain hasn't really had any large predator, so uncertain sightings through the mist always get blown out of proportion into mythical beasts

[reef kindle]

not too long ago we had that black panther scare, that turned out to be the vicar's cat... so yeah

[vivid owl]

I mean there was one recorded instance of a jaguar escaping from a zoo or something like 20 years ago, but it didn't get very far from what I remember

[reef kindle]

also Murthly is in Perthshire, there are a lot of golf and hunting lodges in the area

[vivid owl]

though people claimed for days that it'd been running through their gardens

[reef kindle]

yeah, they also claimed to have seen in roam free, weeks after its recapture

the local Herald had to have a field day with those 😄

[vivid owl]

probably

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_wildcat

Here's an animal I'd love to see in the game

they prefer wooded areas over grassland like feral cats or the hybrid Kellas cat

[reef kindle]

yeah, although those kittens look sweet, they are a menace, better give them a wide girth if you meet them in the wild

fiercely territorial, they are

I met one around Aviemore a few years back as I was hillwalking in the area... we gave each other professional courtesy 😄

[vivid owl]

Just sort of nod at it and carry on

lol

but considering apparently they'd fallen back to western and northern Scotland come 1880, then perhaps we can find some in the Forbidden Forest or something

[reef kindle]

hopefully, kneazels are in, so we might be able to cross bread them, a la Arabella Figg 😄

[vivid owl]

Maybe we can unleash a magical creature on the overabundance of deer that the country is having

both Scotland and England have way too many deer currently

I think last I checked in Scotland they were estimating to bring the population under control they'd need to cull like 40,000

cos there's just no large predators for them

[past nacelle]

Downside of having no wolves, really.

[reef kindle]

well the Scot Nazis have ruined a lucrative hunting industry, so now instead of the yanks and arabs paying to shoot our surplus, we are paying millions for the ghillies and hunting societies to do it...

[drifting solar]

have you guys seen "how the wolves changed the rivers in yellowstone" makes me cry every time.

[vivid owl]

honestly the reintroduction of macropredators to a society is such an important thing

in Yellowstone they have done an amazing job

but like HP lore offers the potential for like 20 different macropredators that could be used in the British Isles

(got to stop myself from going too far off topic)

[past nacelle]

Hm, aside from hunters and the like...what would be the best way to cull the deer? Would reintroducing wolves be a good idea or would that end up being a disaster knowing how the people are over here....

[reef kindle]

in terms of Scotland, due to the farming practices wolves would prove a natural disaster

[vivid owl]

That's getting into #😎off-topic But yeah it's an issue.

[drifting solar]

since wolves are not werewolves (lore, check), they'd for the most part stay away from humans. the biggest issues would be on farms where wolves would want an easy meal. but then they just have guard dogs for the livestock

[reef kindle]

if the SSPCA and the Scottish Forestry office were to be trusted by the glorified county council that is the Scottish Parliament, the problem wouldn't exist, as I alluded before, it would pay for itself... but muggles are stupid...

[drifting solar]

wizards are stupid too though, forcing magical creatures into half-existences and then ending up with uprisings on their hands

[reef kindle]

the wildlife sanctuaries on the other hand doing just fine, from birds of pray to sea mammals, to all manner of beasts, great and small. they have an absolutely excellent program of nursing them back to health and then releasing them in selected locales. Barn owls are one great success of the last couple of years, so the owl mail is safe 🙂

and that was the last off-ish for now from me 😛

[slow horizon]

wizards are in half existence themselves all right.
statue of secrecy

[drifting solar]

i'd argue they choose to remain separate but equal to muggles.

[slow horizon]

not much of a choice when you are forced out of fear of being hunted is it ?

[drifting solar]

thats a really good counterpoint

i'd say its to avoid war. but is there really that much of a difference between war and genocide?

[slow horizon]

exactly, they had to hide to avoid the genocide of their kind

[tropic jewel]

from what i remember of the trailer kneazels are in. I imagine the fluffy orange cat with a lion tail is it

[opaque swift]

I think wizards would be able to beat muggles.

It would be a tough fight, though.

I don't know if Protego can block bullets.

They probably can.

[vivid owl]

not really, it tends not to block solid objects

[harsh frost]

Reducto would work to blast the bullets apart before reaching the wizard/witch.. protego shields spells, but reducto explodes solid objects!!

[dusk summit]

Dumbledore used it to block glass shards and Umbridge deflected arrows with it so it might be possible that it can stop a single bullet

[opaque swift]

True.

However, bullets are extremely fast.

A lot of wizards don't even know what a gun is.

[neon kindle]

But they can cast protego before they shoot

[dusk summit]

True, an arrow is not a perfect analogue to a bullet

[opaque swift]

They have a very limited time to react.

If you don't know what a gun is, you will most likely fail to react in time.

[bitter rampart]

Ayo would the HP characs be in this?

[jovial fulcrum]

Barely any..

Nearly headless nick is confirmed and so is peeves

[hexed wadi]

I think we also saw Bins in the trailer too if I'm remembering correctly

[modern moth]

yup

[neon kindle]

Very few but im pretty sure we will be seeing ancestors or families like the potters and weasleys

[neon kindle]

Ohh now i understand what you was saying

[pastel lynx]

yes Professor Binns is still teaching the same class in the 1890's

it will be interesting to see our connection to the ancient magic and how we are able to use it. when just a few human-beings only possessed this ability. aka Merlin

[tropic jewel]

i imagine it was more well known centuries ago.

My current theory is that hogwarts, and later other schools, thought it was too dangerous to mess with ancient magic even as theories/practicals and so dropped it back during founder's generations

[past nacelle]

That's a possibility. I mean, it's ancient magic for a reason at this point.

[tropic jewel]

yup. and that screams primeval energy source to me

[modern moth]

Hum I have a theory that we can become the next Tom Riddle. Or the next Harry Potter if we choose the good path.

[lilac cloak]

I'd rather not become the next "harry potter"

Dont get me wrong great guy and all
But new game new setting so we can have something different from the whole chosen good guy routine is nice

[modern moth]

Hummm you're right.

But I prefer to become the next Harry Potter, because I wanna my character in that game, like she/he/they was a Harry Potter.

Do you know what I mean?

[lilac cloak]

to each their own, but im deff gonne enjoy the evil path haha

[modern moth]

Lmao

Will we be able to gather followers?

[tropic jewel]

that would be the previous harry potter/chosen one 😄

I would love to be able to affect our friends or those we bond with

maybe shift them lighter or darker with us

[modern moth]

Hum

[mint onyx]

I wanna be the person that inspired You-Know-Who We-Don't-Speak-His-Name

[modern moth]

But you are a Gryffindor!

[mint onyx]

no everyone that goes bad is a Gryffindor

[modern moth]

Ah yes, totally

Gryffindor is the house of evil

[mint onyx]

it takes a lot of courage to be worst than You-Know-Who

[modern moth]

True, I hope the game lets you go that dark

[mint onyx]

Luna lovegood> bellix

[modern moth]

No 😢

[mint onyx]

In the books luna lovegood some times say the most abnormal things ever

and it takes me out so much

like when she commentated a game in harry's 6th year

[modern moth]

She is funny, and well written, but I still prefer Bellatrix

I would put Luna above a lot of characters though

[mint onyx]

yeah But Books Ginny > everyone but luna

Ginny = Luna

[jovial fulcrum]

Luna >>>>>>

[fathom oasis]

OH! I love that!

[merry ruin]

Same

[sick night]

Did any of the Death Eaters know Voldemort's real name was Tom Riddle?

I think Bellatrix knows because Dumbledore calls him Tom in her presence, but I can't think of anyone else.

[timid compass]

@sick nightYes, Lucious Malfoy Knew because he had his diary which was entrusted to him by Voldemort himself.

Voldemort broke his wand later as a way to punish him for it

[sick night]

Yeah, that's right. I forgot Lucius had the Horcrux diary.

It would've been funny if one of the Death Eaters called him Tom on accident.

[timid compass]

lol true, but only if they had a death wish I bet

[reef mauve]

The wand broke when he borrowed it to bypass the twin cores

It was unintentional

Voldemort picked Lucius’s wand because he was part of the gang that escaped from Azkaban and they couldn’t reveal themselves in public because the ministry was too busy pretending everything was fine

So he didn’t need his wand much

The perfect candidate for Voldemort

[reef mauve]

Salazar Slytherin?

[sick night]

I thought it was because Voldemort was punishing him for indirectly letting the diary get destroyed. And to let him know how far down the Death Eater hierarchy he had fallen.

[reef mauve]

Nah
He “borrowed” the wand from Lucius because he wanted to kill Harry when they were on the way to the safe house

And it broke when Harry’s wand casted a spell on its own

Harry’s wand did magic on its own accord and destroyed Lucius’s wand in the process

[sick night]

I know he borrowed Lucius's wand to bypass the twin core issue, but I thought he specifically chose Lucius's wand to punish and humiliate him.

[reef mauve]

That was one of the reason, the other reason is also because the wizarding world didn’t know that Lucius and a bunch of Death Eaters escaped Azkaban so they were lying low in the Malloy Manor

Since he wasn’t going out and about, he didn’t need his wand

That’s part of the reason why Voldemort picked Lucius

[quaint cypress]

https://tenor.com/view/beyonce-voldemort-dance-dancing-gif-10851429

[jovial fulcrum]

Does anyone know why Madam Hooch has her yellowy cat-ish eyes?; I can't remember if its explained ever

[celest pasture]

I don't think it got explained.

[past nacelle]

Best theory for it a botched transfiguration or if it's an aspect of her animagus transformation (assuming she can do it) bleeding through.

[celest pasture]

Yeah I saw that theory as well.

[slow horizon]

he says so himself, something along the lines of "i see no reason why you need a wand"

in front of everybody

[reef kindle]

it could be related to her professional quidditch career, it hasn't been explained as of yet, and I think those are eagle eyes

she consequently retired from professional quidditch as she had an unfair advantage

[simple swift]

I actually saved a video to watch later discussing that i’ll let you know if there’s any interesting theories

[jovial fulcrum]

Please do!

[simple swift]

oky there was a good point that to teach flying and ref quidditch you’d need really good eyesight and hawks eyes are yellow, so she may either have developed a potion to have the eyes of a hawk or she could be metamorphmagi, being able to turn her eyes into that of a hawks at will

quite an interesting theory and would make sense

[jovial fulcrum]

yeah would make sense!

[earnest linden]

Family magic? Her family is just naturally hot hawk eyes?

Also hooch was holly head harpy wasn’t she?

[earnest linden]

Yeh but queer-ditch.

Quidditch

[past nacelle]

How..Just...how?!

[vivid owl]

I mean if people can pick out feds walking through a crowd cos of how they act, they can surely pick out obliviators

[past nacelle]

Well, true...Wizards (and feds) aren't exactly the super subtle type...

[vivid owl]

mix that with living in a tent or on a house boat or in a caravan and then you're in a different place each day

make sure to then only be out and about in crowds

should limit the amount of chances that they have to get close to you

[past nacelle]

Sounds like you have experience with it. Are you a dodgy one? xD

[vivid owl]

but also just in case you want to write everything down in journals and back it up. In the modern day you'd just record it on your phone or on a computer cos no wizard is gonna know how to use them really, but back then just have multiple notebooks recording the same thing.

Post one version via normal post (wizards don't check that) to a trusted person. Put another version in a place you aim to visit again in the future. And then keep the final versions in your mobile home.

and of course date everything

[past nacelle]

Wow, you've put some thought into this.

[vivid owl]

nah, just thought of that right now

that's the simple stuff really

more complex stuff would be keep a copy of your CV with you at all times cos you'll be working odd jobs and may need proof of prior employment.

I'd say "insist on payment in cash" but again magicals and not understanding tech, in the modern day using a debit card is perfectly fine

when in large crowds, never stride purposefully, follow the movement of the crowd, go with the flow and mix in

[past nacelle]

Also, distractions are useful too.

[vivid owl]

always keep a couple of changes of out layer within your bag, be it a second coat, a couple of hats, that sort thing, swapping coats and putting a cap on can often make people walk past you

So yeah I'm sure it's possible for said person to have avoided obliviators for 40+ years

[past nacelle]

When did he get caught?

[vivid owl]

it seems he may have just died of old age some 40 years after witnessing whatever it was

so well done to him, he won the game

😛

[earnest linden]

Or got killed by moldy shorts.

[vivid owl]

CONSTANT VIGILENCE!

[earnest linden]

Saw something wasn’t supposed to.

Like the old gaffa at riddle mannor.

Saw the lights flicker came to investigate. Step aside wormtail. Dead.

[earnest linden]

Always.

Need a mirror.

[vivid owl]

Alright Severus, calm down. lol.

[earnest linden]

Haha.

I should have said indeed. Oh well.

What do elves do with uneaten feast?

Do they let it rot and give it to the ghosts?

Or compost it for green houses? Or both?

[past nacelle]

Possibly.

I mean, what can't be reused would likely be left for the ghosts and their deathday parties or the green houses, depending on what it is.

[vivid owl]

I'd assume they do like my families does, split it into piles to compost and to feed birds/others.

so meats and breads and the like would go to feeding animals that can eat them

whilst the variety of plant matter, would go into the compost

we tend to also put rice and potatoes and stuffing to the birds as they will eat it

[earnest linden]

Fair. Be careful with stuffing to birds. Bread can cause birdie gut problems.

I’d feed appropriately. To what they usually eat. Like meat to meat eaters seeds to seed eaters fruit to fruit eaters etc.

Like crows to budgees to parrots.

[vivid owl]

oh we generally just lay the stuff out and let the birds choose from either the stuff we put out or the stuff in the feeders

so a lot of the smaller birds eat seeds and nuts and the like, the bigger birds tend to go for the meet, and pigeons are just flying dustbins

but yeah, I assume that's what happens to most of the food in Hogwarts

[high nexus]

i don't understand a bit about lore

[vivid owl]

?

[high nexus]

sorry my unikey forgot to turn off

[vivid owl]

no worries

what lore are you struggling with?

[high nexus]

hmmmmm

the origin of magical beast i guess

where they from

and who create them

[past nacelle]

That's actually a good question because some of the magical beasts are just way too bizarre to have not had some wizardly hands in their creation.

[high nexus]

hmmm

like thunderbird:3

[vivid owl]

I think most of them are meant to have a natural origin

but some like Aethonan seem to potentially be a sub-species of winged horse that was specifically bred for adaptation to Britain

either that or Abraxans were specifically bred from Aethonans for greater size and the marble white coat that Abraxans are famous for

Or maybe Abraxans come from Granians

or Granians come from Abraxans

who knows

[high nexus]

hmmmmm

[vivid owl]

not I cos it isn't detailed

but the idea is that say 95% of magical creatures are natural whilst the rest are bred

which I'd say is similar to Order Mammalia

[past nacelle]

I mean, looking at Hagrid's Blast Ended Skrewts in GoF...Those things weren't natural by any bloody means.

Like, what the hell did he put together for that monstrosity?

[earnest linden]

Well they were like mules or zorses. He took fire crab and mated them with skrewts.

If I remember correctly. Can someone else be hermione or Theo nott pls.

I’m tired of being wrong in lore. 😭😭😭😭

Also dibs on all y’all for hp trivia. 🤣😎.

[slow mauve]

I mean we know one aritificaly made magical b3astie

The basilisk,

[past nacelle]

When I hear fire crab, I think a magical crab the size of a dog. Manticores, on the other hand? Absolutely frickin' massive beasts...My mind boggles at the sheer size difference between them for that crossbreeding..

[vivid owl]

I wonder if the spell that allowed for insemination between a manticore and a fire crab (and such a cross species jump to work) is the same spell that Bellatrix used to make Delphini

imagine poor Barty Jnr just taking notes on Hagrids method for it for Bella for when the Dark Lord returns, just stood in the edge of the Forbidden Forest like "Why am I doing this? Oh yeah Bella's crazy and will kill me if I don't"

[past nacelle]

Honestly, I'm of the opinion that a long time in Azkaban and around the Dementors causes people to go sterile. Would explain why Sirius never attempted to have an heir, even if it was during his time abroad. So, by that logic - Bella' should be barren too and I don't imagine Riddle/Voldemort has the proper equipment since he's never given any indication that type of thing interests him.

So, personally it is my belief - Cursed Child is fanfiction and never exists in the canon timeline.

[vivid owl]

I think that Sirius didn't try cos well A) he has an heir as far as he's concerned, Harry, and B) it's not like he has much in the way of options to shack up with someone to even try it.

Also again calling Cursed Child fan fiction is an insult to fan fiction.

[past nacelle]

What, should I call a corpse unalive or would you prefer I call it what it is?

[vivid owl]

Though personally I will note I've nothing against the idea of Delphini as a character.

I think the opportunity she opens up for a big discussion piece about "The sins of the father" would be interesting, especially if as she's not made from natural means (Bella using some weird spell) and with Tom having been made via a love potion and therefore apparently having no empathy, you can run an angle that she has very muted feelings most of the time unless she's in high stress situations like the confrontations that being a bully at school could give her or later going down a dark path could.

But then you can have her pushing back against this expectation that she was simply born to be evil cos of who her parents were.

It's an interesting concept of having a character whom almost everyone treats as evil from the get go and who tries to prove herself opposite but finds she only really feels things when she's playing that evil role.

How does she live? What choices does she make? And is she doomed to follow the path laid out for her by society?

[past nacelle]

Honestly, yeah- Delphini character-wise is an interesting one especially given she'll likely know of what her parents were and what they did and since everyone's opinion of her is likely to swing towards 'she must be the same' could either cause her take in stride because in a way that's more like 'don't push the sins of the parents on the child' or would she push back and their own stupidity and fear caused her to become what they didn't want. It's a very tight rope to walk, here.

[vivid owl]

Which is why I'm so disappointed with the story, cos it had potential.

[past nacelle]

Yeah, potential that just went up in flames. Torched like Dumbledore's right hand.

[slow mauve]

... i did a mistake
I read the synopsis for cursed child on wikipeedia
Please send me your strongest mindbleach

[vivid owl]

they did Cedric the dirty

cos there is no way that making Cedric lose would make him a death eater

[past nacelle]

Cedric's the universal pretty boy who might be conned into stupid things but I don't think he'd intentionally do it.

[vivid owl]

He's just too good of an actual person to ever sign up to that ideology

[past nacelle]

Personally, I think people are just slightly crappin' on Cedric just because the same actor went on to play the thrice-damned sparkling vampire in Twilight...

[vivid owl]

hmm, and here was me thinking his next movie appearance was as The Batman, but in anycase we're getting a bit #😎off-topic

[earnest linden]

Thx lahros

Well I mean also slytherin.

Lol.

Just felt like I’d do like malus.

Correcting or cheering up.

I was curious about their common room.

https://tenor.com/view/blue-cry-sad-bad-day-gif-21150950

Working on it.

Mostly hellos.

Not much talking.

Also lots of talk about books.

Like a giant book club.

Been great for book reviews but in other languages I just go. Che?

Reviews, recommendations. Semantics at this point.

Typical lions. If it not shouting it’s heavily repressed.

I’ve taken this to south common room. So not chttering the lore.

[earnest linden]

Idk have you?

[earnest linden]

awwww

[long plume]

u look like u were talking to ur self lmao

[true musk]

Deatheaters does not exist in this era right?

[dire folio]

no, they shouldnt exist in 1890 but some other kind of dark wizaeds im sure

[timid bane]

I think that masked guy we see in the trailer is a henchman of some sort, maybe a 1890s version of a death eater

[timid bane]

Robert Pattinson is seriously one of the most underrated actors of all time

[past nacelle]

He's good, I'll agree. I think people just underestimate him because the first thing he did after his role as Cedric was Edward Cullen and we all know how well those were recieved...by a normal audience. I don't mean the fangirling teenage girls who buy into that Twilight crap. He definitely looked impressive from what snippets I saw of him in The Batman.

[timid bane]

I’ve never seen twilight lmao. But I’ve seen the lighthouse and I’ve seen the Batman and he’s excellent in both

[modern moth]

Yeah he's a great actor, his role in Twilight was probably his worst performance ngl

[lilac cloak]

typical case of blaim the script not the actor

[lilac cloak]

https://discord.com/channels/750787322349355108/961353857642942504

channel to talk about the movie

@fierce heron

[fierce heron]

Ok thanks

[gaunt glade]

So irl I'm actually hard of hearing and I have to wear a hearing aid to be able to hear at all. I'm 100% deaf in my left ear and can barely hear in my right. Anyway something I've been very curious about is how my hearing disability would be within the wizarding world. Do you all think there is a spell or potions for fixing hearing loss? Also if hearing can't be fixed even in the wizarding world then how would someone who has to wear a hearing aid go to Hogwarts? Electronic devices don't work in Hogwarts so I've always wondered how I'd manage with not having my hearing aid there lol

[livid elm]

You cant fix them sorry

There are some things not even magic has power over

[inner jungle]

i bet there is a thunder/electricity spell which will work as electricity to charge.. unless its Seamus performing the spell..

Blast

[inner jungle]

Kidding me? One wiz lived more then 700 years, wonder how he kept his organs functioning?

[livid elm]

alchemists are diff

[inner jungle]

I see

[livid elm]

This is the reason that Gilderoy Lockhart, victim of his own mangled Memory Charm, has permanent amnesia, why the poor Longbottoms remain permanently damaged by magical torture, and why Mad-Eye Moody had to resort to a wooden leg and a magical eye when the originals were irreparably damaged in a wizards’ battle

• JK Rowling

even losing it by magical means, means its lost, there are other rules that govern the wizarding world, like you CANNOT conjure food out if thin air

You can duplicate it or manipulate it once you have it, but cannot make it from nothing

[gaunt glade]

That's a shame ;; although anything is possible I think with magic. Honestly wouldn't bother me either way since I'm used to it lol I'm more curious about the issue with my hearing aid since it's an electronic device it probably won't work at all

[livid elm]

As for illness like the bad kind

Remus Lupin’s affliction was a conscious reference to blood-borne diseases such as the HIV infection, with the attendant stigma. The potion Snape brews him is akin to the antiretroviral that will keep him from developing the ‘full-blown’ version of his illness

So even from this we gather that not everything can be stopped or cured

[frank jewel]

I’m sure there’s a potion that ‘heightens’ your senses if not fixes it completely. Similar to how there’s a spell to raise a persons voice

[inner jungle]

Illness and disability

Wizards had the power to correct or override 'mundane' nature, but not 'magical' nature. Therefore, a wizard could catch anything a Muggle might catch, but they could cure all of it

Or maybe, unicorns blood.

Earing loss is mundane afaik

[livid elm]

the rules isnt really clear what is and what isnt allowed

i think she wrote it on purpose that way

gives her freedom to answer things when and how she wants

[inner jungle]

I know a friend living with pacemaker in chest due to neck tic disorder and he asked me something similar of how will he charge his pacemaker battery in hogwarts lol

Something called deep brain stimulation.

[gaunt glade]

Oh yeah lol pacemakers would be an issue too at Hogwarts

I bet there is a magical version of the hearing aid maybe

Perhaps for that pacemaker as well

[inner jungle]

Yes, he needs to charge every week, maybe a small generator one can bring and transport it back and forth every month through some means

[inner jungle]

I bet, it's magic yeah, also it's not spiritual by nature so why not.

[gaunt glade]

Thing is I don't think it's an issues of charging or batteries lol pretty sure devices just don't work at all the moment you enter the grounds at Hogwarts

[inner jungle]

Oh, no idea about that.

Could use solar batteries lol

[gaunt glade]

True lol

Although since a spell that enhances your voice is a thing it makes sense there should be one for hearing

[inner jungle]

Very true

[gaunt glade]

I like to imagine that when I go to Hogwarts I'm immediately sent to Madam Pomfrey who gives me a potion and after drinking it I can just suddenly hear properly like everyone else lol

It'd be a really amazing moment

[inner jungle]

yes true, sorry to hear about your hearing aid

The hogwarts express has electricity lights inside it, yes? Well can use the train to charge every now and then

[gaunt glade]

Lmao I suppose we could!

[past nacelle]

Provided it stays stationed at Hogsmeade rather than going back to London, or something.

[inner jungle]

Looks like light to me.

[inner jungle]

uh yeah

[past nacelle]

Pretty sure the Knight Bus had lights too.

[inner jungle]

The Hogwarts Express was the name of the train that ran between London King's Cross Station Platform 9¾ and Hogsmeade station. It made this run about six times a year, maybe more, as needed. It also made the run back again to London at the end of term in June

Pretty sure if it runs 6 times or more a year for students I suppose then it's mostly stationed at hogsmeade.

[past nacelle]

Hm, interesting. I totally forgot about the holidays and that some students go home during that time so of course, they'd use the train. I feel like I just had a blonde moment..

[frank jewel]

In the 6th book the train starts driving back to London when Harry is still on the train. So it’s probably in London by default.

[vivid owl]

I always wondered if it did regular trips for normal passengers, those that can't apparate (some 50% of the magical population) who still want to go to Hogsmede or Diagon

So the Hall class locomotive that we see in the films was made in 1937, so I do wonder what class of locomotive that we'll see in the game

[past nacelle]

Might be the flying carriages, kinda like taxis or such before the Hogwarts Express became the main way to Hogwarts.

[vivid owl]

we know the train is in the game

we've seen it and the station in Hogsmede

the problem is before the 1920s Britains railways were a mess of a lot of small companies who all owned varying amounts of track and worked out deals to run over parts of each others lines to reach the destinations they wanted

so I'm trying to find a train made before 1890 that was a decent passenger locomotive that also had about 50 members of its class built (can't really take a loco from less than that as people would know otherwise)

[past nacelle]

I doubt we'll see the Knight Bus though, since I believe that was a more recent creation than the Hogwarts Express was.

[vivid owl]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caledonian_Railway_294_and_711_Classes

Perhaps this type of loco could be the one

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-_n965MiB8

that video isn't exactly the same class of train, but it's close enough

you'd just have to change that wonderful Caledonian Blue into the Hogwarts Scarlet

[shell pine]

but the hogwarts express probably is in the same as in the main movies and books, its an alternative railway not built by a company, just magic itself. so its an entirely seprate system than the normal empire's messy system

[vivid owl]

Well it joins up with the normal railway system and uses the border railway between Britain and Scotland. It also connects into Kings Cross. So it's not alternative. It runs on the normal tracks for most of its 7 hour run up to the school. The branch line to Hogsmede is magically made though.

[shell pine]

hmm true, but this is an alterante universe, so refrences might differ, depending on who you ask, the british empire probably must have built proper railways at the time in the wizarding universe.

[tropic jewel]

has it been stated if this is an alternative universe

[vivid owl]

nope

just that it is a hundred years in the past

you could take the "This is our version of Hogwarts" as stating that it's an alternate HP universe but if so it seems to be one with very little difference to the main one

any case even if it is an alternate one, in the HP universe, muggle or normal history is meant to have gone the exact same as how ours did

So at the time of the game, Caledonian and several other companies would have been building rail in Scotland, and a variety of companies doing the same down in England

[tropic jewel]

that being said, treating this as an AU would allow far more creative freedom down the line

[vivid owl]

Potentially but they've said they are sticking as close to the lore as possible

meaning nothing so large it could alter Harry's story

[tropic jewel]

We'll find out

[simple swift]

they changed hogwarts a few times in the films, like the location of the entrance to the griffindor common room so I don’t mind then changing it a little as it still seems to be pretty accurate in a lot of places

I put a kiss on the end of that because I was just texting my grandmother if anyone saw that

😅

[tropic jewel]

aww

that's adorable ❤️

But yeah, i tend to keep an open mind about things

whatever helps this very interesting game series continue

[jovial fulcrum]

awkwarddddddd ;p

[simple swift]

I do it all the time I end up sending kisses on discord to random people i’m dull

[jovial fulcrum]

I swear I use the wrong emojis more than the right ones...

[simple swift]

same

but yeah i’m really excited to see hogwarts

[jovial fulcrum]

SAMESIES

urgh, I hate how slow the days seem to go...

I wanna play it NOOOOW

[simple swift]

yeah I was fine until the last video and now i’m like counting down the hours

two days feels like a week

[jovial fulcrum]

THIS.

I only dont notice the time when I'm working or when I'm streaming, which isn't often enough...

[simple swift]

everytime I sit down, I check the date, sigh, then open the HL discord so I can talk about it

[jovial fulcrum]

relatable, I have never been invested in any discord before. Sure I'd talk sometimes but I'm literally like OEHH what do people say now?!?! I can't miss anything!!!

[simple swift]

yeah usually I just poke my head in every couple weeks and say hey but I check this like every 10 mins

[jovial fulcrum]

exactly!

[past nacelle]

I'm the same, this is the only official discord for a game or franchise that I'm actually active in. xD

[fading brook]

https://harrypotter.fandom.com/wiki/Hogwarts_Express
The real engine was build in late 1930s. For Harry Potter lore it was chanced to the early 1830s to 1850s

[vivid owl]

Yeah there's no way they were stealing a train which wouldn't yet be built for 100 years, so we're just going to say it's an earlier locomotive type and every 50 years or so the Ministry steal a new one but they couldn't do for the 1980s cos Britain had changed to diesels and electrics and no magical is going to know how to work a class 37 pulling Mk3 coaches or the like.

I do wonder why they didn't use a Castle class locomotive in the films, but hey-ho Hall class it is.

Just gets me that you have a train called "Hogwarts Castle" in universe and you don't pick a Castle class locomotive to play it.

I know that the Castle and Hall class locomotives do look similar with the Hall class being smaller and lighter, but still.

Especially as there are several preserved Castle class locomotives that could have played Hogwarts Castle and hauled the Hogwarts Express.

[sage sonnet]

they are listening

[errant vigil]

Well what we know is that the company that operates The Jacobite steam locomotive-hauled tourist train service has lent Warner Bros. the locomotive GWR 4900 Class 5972 Olton Hall aka Hogwarts Express to film on the Jacobite's route for all the films. My understanding is that the GWR 4073 Class or Castle Class locomotives are maybe too large or too heavy for the historic route. That last bit is just my guess though...

All of these steam locomitives were designed and built in and after the 1920s though, so they should not be in the game from the outset.

[craggy moon]

[dreamy crag]

what if the wizarding world is actually in the past and all the students are time travelling back in time to get there.

[errant vigil]

Sounds like a #🧠theories kind of conversation

[south harbor]

Wow

[earnest linden]

What did you do??? Your yellow?

[jovial fulcrum]

I would never

[past nacelle]

Preeetty sure you used to be blue. House traitor, eh?

[jovial fulcrum]

I used to be green aswell

but, my latest test was 93% Puff... and the common room is too cute... Forgive me 😦

[past nacelle]

Hm, forgiven - for now. xD

[earnest linden]

Idk. You dating diggory? I don’t know any other puffs lol.

[dire folio]

its the plants isnt it. god, slytherin needs plant lamps

[jovial fulcrum]

No?!

[earnest linden]

So then y?😭😭😭😭

[jovial fulcrum]

Cause I'm a puff?

[earnest linden]

But are you?

[jovial fulcrum]

Yes?

[earnest linden]

Sure?

[formal pelican]

My latest test said I was a Gryffindor but I refuse to accept it. Tis but a fluke (no offence Gryffindors)

Your personality is too complex for a quiz on the internet to truly determine which house you'd belong to (even if we're talking about about Myers Brigg's test, we're just far too complex to act the same under different circumstances with different emotions e.g. if you're stressed you'll do different things while if you're not you'll more likely seem to do more extroverted choices)

[earnest linden]

Hmm. True that. An old personality test said I was a melancholy sanguine

Tis funny cause their polar opposites.

In their description.

Also is from a book that talks about the humours and how they process blood health cleaning via the stomach which is completely false but whatever. The liver cleans the body of nasties and tries to send it to kidney for excretion but if it’s too big a molecule it’ll deposit in the muscles where it minimises organ damage.

That is if it doesn’t kill you first.

[tardy furnace]

i mean all the tests are bs tbh, they don't describe the scenario's well enough... half of it is just guessing or just clicking on something you think is good enough lmao

[formal pelican]

And the majority of the results are just vague and similar to one another, just the wording is slightly different.

I mean, there's no way to truly capture your personality in a test or quiz. We're too complex for that either way

[tardy furnace]

like the patronus one is prob the worst test of them all: choose out of the next words: Cake, Corn, Meat, veggies... --> you picked veggies: hurray you got a ferret 😄

like wut?

wym

[formal pelican]

Yeah and it's like so short. How can you like-

And the wand one is really bad too

Just like 7 random questions!

Where is the integrity to have at least 20!

[tardy furnace]

Yea it's so bad lmao

make some worthy tests lmao

[formal pelican]

Smh the only saving quality of the patrinus quiz is that it's interactive

I wish the wand quiz would've been too, like it gives you a wand "to try" but depending on your next answer it either works or not and then another. And the questions could be between 15-20 (because kids still take these quizzes, so they need to be fun to keep their attention while they keep some integrity for the older audiences)

[dire folio]

Yeah but beware of running out of time or youll get salmon

[earnest linden]

Bonito flakes.

[tardy furnace]

Kelp.

[earnest linden]

Salmon.

[fathom saffron]

What is the most interesting Lore?

[dire folio]

Is ur True that merlin believed wizards should help muggles?

[fiery garden]

Would be cool to see a Weasley or Dumbledore parents or something on the game

[neon kindle]

Its confirmed

[hollow marlin]

due to it being in the mid late 1800, we might see a student albus dumbledore at most

[vapid lake]

In the PlayStation blog they kind of confirmed a Weasley

[still patrol]

albus would be cute

[vapid lake]

It depends whether or not you are stuck in year 5 or progress

Because dumbledores first year is in the main characters 7th

[hollow marlin]

would the headmaster be phineas nigellus black? or is that a little early

[vapid lake]

It is possible

[hollow marlin]

just looked it up, he was the headmaster when dumbledore was a student in the 1890's so good chance

[vapid lake]

Dumbledore started in 1892 I think

So it depends

https://www.reddit.com/r/HarryPotterGame/comments/u8481z/i_made_a_list_with_some_people_who_might_appear/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

There is a list I found on reddit

[slow horizon]

Yes.

What do you think the Order of Merlin is ? He himself founded it to promote muggle rights and aid of muggles by wizards and witches

[fiery garden]

Thats awesome hope to see a future game with characters like Dumbledore Grindelwald minerva etc or that explore maruders

[dire folio]

I just couldnt believe it but its nice.

[earnest linden]

What. Which one?

[celest pasture]

https://blog.playstation.com/2022/03/17/hogwarts-legacy-your-first-look-at-extended-gameplay/

[earnest linden]

Wood slyhterin. Che….

https://tenor.com/view/pickuplines-oliverwood-harrypotter-gif-4563661

[celest pasture]

lol

[earnest linden]

😁

I wanna know the spell precursor to sectum sempra. Kinda want to create a bastardised version of it.

Or at least a greatly inferior version that snape can then improve upon.

I think that’ll tie in the law nicely.

Like instead of being invisible blades make them very visible or something.

Like the weasley snow ball jinx. So that but with knives.

😇

[celest pasture]

Idk about that lol

[earnest linden]

It’s be fun to use though. Like put on label to be used in butchers. also enemies.

Lol

[static dragon]

Agreed!! My tests almost always put me in slyteryn, but i know me better

[merry ruin]

Same

I’m a RavenClaw at heart though

[white raft]

I agree, at the end of the day you can choose your house despite what tests say

[shell pine]

TESTS?

tests don't exist

the hat forces you to be a group without you're consent and will kidnap your family if you d-

nvm

i went to far

[vapid lake]

Yeh it takes your opinion

Harry was a Slytherin remember

[earnest linden]

tbh he should have been written as a hatstall.... theres loyalty, not a bad mind either, and a thirst to prove ones self, but first where to put you.....

if he hadnt said not slytherin he wouldnt have triggered the choice part. .. also i would have at that demand put him in slytherin cause im an evil dm so sew me

[cursive chasm]

The hat considered slytherin as it sensed voldmorts soul inside harry

No other reason

[past nacelle]

No, Harry had his own Slytherin traits. Can't survive a practically abusive household without gaining some Slytherin survival traits, after all.

[earnest linden]

exactly also in the books it says he stole food while they was sleeping, picked a lock after meeting gred n forge and a few other sneaky cunning slu thinngs too

[fathom saffron]

What your saying is that HP was a Horcrux? 💛

[cursive chasm]

But minutely tho

He was a griffyndor from the moment he stepped in the castle

[neon kindle]

Not really

[fiery garden]

Harry couldnt be in other house
Too Pure of heart

[earnest linden]

not relly im sure he did but like he had cunning and thirst to prove himself in spades, but i burried it and stayed avg...to me that screams cunning not to stand out in a crowd...and bam power....but he didnt do that either i just felt he could have been more also but alot of his personality was drummed into him by dursleys and wasnt until book 3 we saw him break free

a little then book 5 slammed on again....then everything changes then on as dudley get terrified of him...lol

[slow horizon]

he was always slytherin

the hat does not make mistakes

[earnest linden]

except when you ask for it

literally

[celest pasture]

It's what you value not possess, which sorts you into a house.

Even without that, Harry was a Gryffindor in and out. Brave, courageous, loyal and passionate. Of course you will argue that he had Slytherin traits, but those were marginal next to his Gryffindor traits :)

[earnest linden]

the hat i stand by what i said last year you would have done wel in slytherin

[slow horizon]

Potter's choice was a one time thing

it does not take into consideration what you want

take Longbottom for example, he wanted to be in hufflepuff and the hat sorted him in gryffindor

[earnest linden]

the hat takes your choice into account potter sr to A.S.P.

[celest pasture]

There is still the thing that Harry had a part of Voldi inside him.

[slow horizon]

yeah and you say that as if harry knows everything lmao

the hat did not take Longbottom's wish into consideration

[earnest linden]

it was written by jkr ill take that.

[slow horizon]

Neville wanted to be in Hufflepuff

and yet sorted into Gryffindor

that was also written by JKR

[earnest linden]

gryffendore was good for neville

i thought

[slow horizon]

it was good, and thats where he belonged despite wanting to be Hufflepuff.
The point is, the hat does not make mistakes.
Harry Potter belongs to Slytherin

[earnest linden]

hahaha

[celest pasture]

...Neville was intimidated by the Gryffindor reputation, still he valued bravery the most, which made him get sorted into it.

[earnest linden]

on that point i agree im just quoting lol

[celest pasture]

You even say it yourself that the hat doesn't make mistakes. So you basically undermine your own point.

[earnest linden]

also wasnt frank a gryff?

[slow horizon]

and Potter was intimidated by Slytherin's reputation, yet he was still cunning and ambitious

[celest pasture]

It's about values c:

[slow horizon]

Harry Potter does not and never belonged to Gryffindor

The sorting hat was correct, he belong in Slytherin

[celest pasture]

Then I guess you are the 0,01% of people who believe that.

[earnest linden]

yeh but he was also told by hagrid his saviour from his abusive fam that there wasnt a witch or wizard that didnt turn bad because of slytherin and if it wasnt hagrid it was ron his first friend... draco's extention of friendship...

could have been very good if taken sooner

if only draco didnt suffer from foot into mouth syndrome

[past nacelle]

Harry just ran into people who just gave him blinders as 'Slytherin evil - Gryffindor good'.

[celest pasture]

The killer of his parents was a slytherin :)

[earnest linden]

and?

[past nacelle]

Although, I think Dumbledore and Snape would've suffered heart attacks if Potter got sorted into Slytherin. They'd immediately be panicking like 'Oh crap, oh crap! We've got Tom Riddle Version 2 here!'

[earnest linden]

hahaha

nah harry would be more like gridlewald

[celest pasture]

It shows clearly why harry didnt want to be in this house.

[earnest linden]

imo

i just feel like that was a dumb thing to do and obviously if you tell an orphan thet their parents killer was from such n suc theyd be apprehensive about going their

[past nacelle]

I think, if anything...Slytherin might've actually helped Potter craft himself into the Grey Lord that would've sat firmly between Light Lord Dumbledore and Dark Lord Voldemort on the scale. He was somwhat on his way there but never went all the way into the Grey, as a Gryffindor.

Grey Lord or as I also call it 'Lord of Balance'.

[earnest linden]

also he could have undermined voldy by giving his generatuion of slytherins a place tyo belong instead of turning out like crabbe and goyle jr

haha dr fate

dr stange

avatar lol

[celest pasture]

Right, living around blood puritists and voldi sympathizers would be so good for him.

[vivid owl]

Whilst Dumbles would be, Snape would be upset because he'd be forced to confront his own prejudices and not push his unresolved anger onto a child that has nothing to do with it.

[earnest linden]

it would wake snape up

[past nacelle]

Considering that Dumbledore was firmly the Light Lord and Voldemort was the Dark, there really should've been someone in the middle that emphasised balance. Potter could've been it, especially with his experiences on both ends of the spectrum.

[earnest linden]

also character development

[vivid owl]

okay but Dumbles wasn't a "light lord" the man was good intentioned but definitely not "light"

certainly not by Harry's time

[past nacelle]

I should amend that to 'self-styled Light Lord', if anything.

[vivid owl]

that's more fair an argument yes

but overall Harry didn't need to be balance, he needed to be reform

the problem isn't dark versus light, good versus evil, it's a societal problem.

[past nacelle]

If he was going to be reform, he apparently didn't do a very good job of it since I'm sure with how so far their own backsides most wizards in Britain were, it would've been more of 'the more things change, the more they stay the same.' Or something like that.

There wasn't gonna be reform in just one generation.

[vivid owl]

The wizarding world values traditions a lot, and the problem they have with non-magical people is that they don't understand that the magical society is a separate culture with its own traditions.

This has over time since the Statute of Secrecy been corrupted into a belief that magicals are better than non-magicals and so we see the blood purism that is present in Harry's time.

[earnest linden]

agreed its a reflection of bipartisan govt but now were talking govt and mods are gonna shut it so lets no go down this rabbit hole

[vivid owl]

Also sorry, I've got dyspraxia so my explanations will be slow if I'm writing big blocks of text.

[vivid owl]

Only if you turn it away from HP lore.

[earnest linden]

true

[past nacelle]

Especially not when Harry was essentially running away from who he was and should've been, for the majority of his time. I think, if he'd embraced being the Boy-Who-Lived and ignored the connotations that came with it, he could've been a major power before he'd even left school. Especially if you give him the tools and the trade to be better and do better.

[earnest linden]

ok so voldemort and his knights of wulpurgis were all about reform were they not...

[earnest linden]

agreed so far

[vivid owl]

I personally think that this hold to tradition creating the blood purity (again something that can be paralleled in real life with conservative beliefs leading to xenophobia) is also the cause of this Victor Rookwood's campaign against the Ministry and why he's joining Ranrok and his Goblin "Rebellion" (can it really be a rebellion if they are a separate nation?)

[earnest linden]

yes, if that nation is within the societal structure of another nation

theoretically

which the goblins are they hold the wizards bank and do not allow any other peoples, (wizard dwarf, elf , centaur, mer) to establish their own bank.

[vivid owl]

makes you wonder if the Vatican went to war with Italy if it'd be a "rebellion" or a "Civil war" ? lol. but that's getting a tad to real world

[earnest linden]

yup

dial back pls

[vivid owl]

The reason Harry doesn't though is because he's just not told anything about his past so he has no idea the political power he can wield.

[earnest linden]

nor was it a subject in hogwarts

[past nacelle]

Wouldn't surprise me if it was a subject but Dumbledore did away with it, before Harry's arrival at the school.

[earnest linden]

if wizarding etiquette was a subject like ettiquette was in 1800s then also mess woudnt have happened

also it was mentioned theyre were more classes in toms diary in CoS

just saying

also so many fanfics point that out

[past nacelle]

Perhaps Dumbledore did away with some of the classes, to fit his vision..gods know the man was playing a chess game with everyone's lives.

[vivid owl]

I don't think wizarding etiquette or culture was ever a class. As it seems that Rookwood is acting on the same problems as Grindelwald did and Moldyshorts did, and Rookwood is before either of them.

[earnest linden]

true enough but think about it he didnt want to create a gridlewald when he took over from amando dippet

[vivid owl]

Healing was one such class apparently but that got stopped when St Mungo's became a thing.

[past nacelle]

Mighty fine job there, he probably created one worse than Grindelwald in Tom Riddle/Voldemort.

[earnest linden]

dont know why it would have aided st mungos entry

[earnest linden]

neither im speculating

i did tart my train of thought with IF

[vivid owl]

you'd think so, but apparently St Mungo's wanted to be the only people to teach healing to "make sure it was taught properly and up to standard"

or something like that

[earnest linden]

haha but unis require pre med before med and then post med to specialise

and as far as we know wizarding world runs off of appprentiships

[vivid owl]

ah not in Britain, we can take first aid courses but they generally aren't offered by schools but by medical organisations and they aren't needed to go to university to be a doctor

and as I like to complain, Rowling doesn't seem to understand or know culture outside of a modern British perspective

[earnest linden]

aus can take firstaid but you cant work in a hospital with just first aid need more to it. like nursing or paramed or med.

[earnest linden]

and that makes sense shes a product of her times and locales

[vivid owl]

oh yeah to work in a hospital you need training, but what I mean is that you don't need to take a first aid course before going to uni for that nurse/doctor training

[earnest linden]

as are we all