lore

[indigo holly]

I did. And I never saw those. Much less was it stated anywhere that those are of the Gaunt family specifically.

Are you sure this isn't from a mod?

[subtle slate]

they were very subtle for sure:( i only paid attention to all of the portaits because of a tumblr post i saw before playing the quest

[subtle slate]

yup, got no mods turned on

[rocky imp]

i played it, for some reason i also didn’t see it

[indigo holly]

Literally where is it confirmed that these are of the Gaunts and that's not pure speculation from some rando on Tumblr

Why would portraits of the Gaunts be in some random shop in Hogsmeade owned by a woman with zero connection to them

[subtle slate]

nothing is confirmed. sorry if i sounded like if this came from an official source of something...they are just portraits that i found intriguing

but they look a little alike

[indigo holly]

Yeah it's Britain. You can find eighty other dudes in the same town who look like that.

[subtle slate]

and this man looked like Slytherin

[indigo holly]

He looks like an old guy with a long grey beard.

This is just set dressing. None of this means anything.

[subtle slate]

yea that can be very true

but lore sometimes are just speculating something that is farce

at the end we are just all trying to have a little fun:)

[indigo holly]

There is nothing in that portrait whatsoever that indicates that that is Salazar Slytherin

He's not wearing his colours, there's no snake imagery, he doesn't even really resemble what little we've seen of Slytherin's likeness in the books, films, or games

And again. Why would portraits of Slytherin or his family be in some random shop in Hogsmeade owned by a woman with zero connection to them.

There's a difference between founded speculation and just throwing spaghetti at a wall.

[subtle slate]

Ok!! I gotchu

[scenic marsh]

Goodness, Protection Squad, no need to bite anyone's head off over being excited and speculating about things in the game.

It's a cool detail, OkieDokiLoki, thank you for pointing it out. I will be keeping an eye out for these when doing the quest again 🙂
I do agree with Protection Squad, however, in thinking that it has no connection to the Gaunts: the younger boy in the first painting is looking ahead, just like the older, seated boy, so unlike Ominis, who has been blind from birth, he seems sighted. Not sure about the mother and daughter painting, but I would offer a different speculation about the man in the last painting: it may be Cassandra Mason's late husband, who owned and ran the shop along with Penny until his passing. As Fastidio's domain is an extension of the shop, it is possible he borrowed elements of it (like the mannequins, for example) and its owner(s) when shaping his domain. Of course, a poltergeist is a manifestation of chaos, so who knows? 😄

[drowsy sierra]

lowkey wondering does anyone know who these are in feltcroft? (idk what chat to put this in)

[scenic marsh]

Probably just ambient npcs (unless you heard them conversing and they had unique names?). Judging by the active demiguise statue, it was nighttime when you took the screenshot. I've seen in my game that npcs don't just travel around and gather in groups in various locations, but also enter and exit buildings depending on the time of day, and interact with the environment in sensible ways (like the wizard on the right warming his hands by the fireplace).

[tough quartz]

I cannot for the life of me find an answer to this but does anyone here know what this painting by Mary GrandPré is supposed to be depicting?

[indigo holly]

Order of the Phoenix, the battle at the Department of Mysteries

[tough quartz]

Thanks! I’m not that far into the book yet. I don’t care about spoilers but who is the ghostly figure?

[indigo holly]

It's not an actual person, technically, it's a depiction of a Seer who's giving a prophesy

[tough quartz]

Gotcha, thanks! I’m on like page 600 of the book so far. Also was wondering because I’m doing the puzzle that’s a bunch of her art from the books and that scene is featured

[indigo holly]

Where is this puzzle?

Or is it a literal physical jigsaw puzzle

[indigo holly]

That's really cool

[tough quartz]

Oh yeah, sorry 1000 pieces jigsaw

[tough quartz]

Thanks! It’s the hardest one I have ever done

[indigo holly]

I wish I had that lol

[tough quartz]

It was hard to find, had to get it on Amazon!

[rugged spire]

Does leather flexibility matter in wand lore ?

[indigo holly]

Leather??

[rugged spire]

Wand lore soery phone being dumb

[indigo holly]

Wand flexibility does carry some meaning, yes, but just like everything else it's not a hard and fast rule

[rugged spire]

I can not spell today

[scenic marsh]

You mean length and flexibility, I believe?
They are both meaningful indeed, and tend to say something about the witch or wizard's character and personality.
Based on the lore expended by JK Rowling: Wand lengths are usually between 9 and 14 inches. Those with longer wands usually have bigger personalities. Wands longer than 14 are usually so long to accommodate some physical need (Hagrid's wand, for instance, was 16 inches to account for his size). Wands shorter than the norm, on the other hand, seem to indicate something lacking in the character of the wielder (Dolores Umbridge, for example, who we know well from books to be a cruel sociopath, had a wand about 8 or fewer inches long).
Wand flexibility speaks to a wielder's ability to adapt or change. Inflexible wands may belong to a stubborn or uncompromising individual, a brittle wand may belong to someone who is unchanging yet weak of character, while more flexible wands may belong to adaptable, mentally agile and/or reasonable individual (though too flexible a wand may indicate an easily swayed or pliable personality).

Finally, Rowling indicated in her writings that it is important to never consider any one element of a wand in isolation, as no single one speaks absolute truth about the wielder, and that other elements (wand wood, core, etc.) may compensate for (or accentuate) others.

[blazing dock]

What are the rarest wand cores for a wizard to have? And I don't mean like out of the 3 Olivanders, I mean all included

[scenic marsh]

Well, if not including the 3 supreme cores as defined by Ollivander, the rarest ones would be ones that come from exceptionally rare creatures or unusual and/or ill-advised choices.
The first that easily comes to mind would be Thestral hair, which has only one confirmed instance (the Elder Wand). A core that demands an uncommon understanding to even have a chance at wielding properly.
Another would be Basilisk horn fragment, as it comes from a particularly rare and lethal creature. Salazar Slytherin's wand had such a core.
Veela hair, like in Fleur Delacour's wand, is probably quite rare and unusual as well, as Ollivander was quite surprised to have come across a wand like hers.

[indigo holly]

There was also slivers of the horn of the horned serpent, used by Isolt Sayre for her children

[tough quartz]

I thought the Ravenclaw emblem was an Eagle, but I might be mistaken?

[indigo holly]

Yeah, no, it is.

People see/remember 'bird' and think it's a raven because 'Ravenclaw'. They also keep thinking its House colours are blue and silver for some reason, instead of blue and bronze.

[scenic marsh]

Yes, the movies used an alternate palette, changing bronze to silver. Apparently, this is potentially not a simple stylistic choice but perhaps holds deeper significance. Someone dug up an obscure fact regarding the "Rule of Tincture" in heraldry, which apparently JK Rowling deviated from. Simply put, according to the rule "metal should not be put on metal, nor colour on colour". Quite an interesting bit of trivia that offers a potential reason for the change. If anyone is interested, look up the term. The wikipedia page is informative. I will offer a bit of extra context provided by the person who dug up the info- bronze is unusual, a rarity in heraldry and considered a colour rather than a metal as it pertains to heraldry.

[tough quartz]

1000 piece finally complete. Some of the scenes I don’t understand but I have not finished the books yet, halfway through Order of the Phoenix

Like what is going on in the painting in the upper right corner?

[scenic marsh]

Upper right corner looks like Harry seeing his parents and extended family in the Mirror of Erised from the first book.

That is one cool puzzle 😀

[tough quartz]

Oh sorry! I meant upper left corner! Yeah it was a lot of fun to put together!

[rare geyser]

I can't put my finger on it but Google ai seems to think it's an Alice in wonderland puzzle 🤣

[tough quartz]

lol! I’ll have to look it up! Mary Grandpre is the artist

@scenic marsh @rare geyser here is a better quality image of it! Looks like Harry looking into Dumbledore’s pensieve

[rare geyser]

ohh yea thats gotta be it, falling into the trial scene

https://media1.tenor.com/m/_8MJBmN_0UsAAAAd/albus-percival-wulfric-brian-dumbledore-albus-dumbledore.gif

oof embed fail

[scenic marsh]

That's from Goblet of Fire. Harry, when he accidentally used the Pensieve upon finding it in Dumbledore's office. He was briefly left alone and found it in its cabinet that was left ajar. It was the memory of Dumbledore witnessing the trials of Death Eaters.

Quite a stylised depiction, and description accurate to how Harry experienced the use of the Pensieve.

[tough quartz]

Yeah that’s what first came to mind when I saw the higher quality version! Mary Grandpré’s art is so beautiful, it’s interesting how she interpreted certain scenes and characters.

[scenic marsh]

With the specific scene depictions, she really made an effort to bring to life the book descriptions of JK Rowling. For example, the one with the prophecy apparition, the boy with Harry is Neville Longbottom, and that is a great imagining of the exact situation the two were in during the Battle of the Department of Mysteries.
Her artwork is such a treat 🙂

[unborn ferry]

I've just realized how lucky we are to have Ominis. Characters like him usually die tragically pretty soon in the story.

I was honestly really afraid Sebastian will kill him, because Ominis will try to stop him. Luckily not.

Apparently Ominis has name Gaunt protecting him, even if he doesn't like it.

He is probably the only character of this type I know, that actually lives. It's a nice change. I had recently another heartbreak with this type of nice character in another story 😢

[tough quartz]

I know what you mean. I thought that same about him.

If ok, who was the character in the other story?

[unborn ferry]

I don't want to spoil other story. There might be someone reading it... It was in book fourth wing.

[neon oak]

hi

[scenic marsh]

Absolutely. Ominis is a fascinating character with a lot of story potential, and he is a good counterbalance to Sebastian. I hope he gets more of a story spotlight in the next game.

[unborn ferry]

He is really well written. I love that on a first sight he seems totally different from what he is if you have a chance to actually get to know him.
As someone nicely said "he is slytherin outside and Hufflepuff inside" 😁

[scenic marsh]

I like that 🙂 Indeed, he holds true to his principles, shows loyalty to friends and has a strong sense of justice. It also demonstrates that the writers for the game had actual nuance and properly appreciated JK Rowling's works; from the very first book, we were shown and told that, just because someone is sorted into a certain house, it does not mean they don't possess qualities that would have seen them thrive in one or more of the others houses, and that's how Avalanche wrote several of the characters in the game. Ominis, Sebastian and Poppy are three characters I can easily point out as being nicely multifaceted, which is why they are all compelling characters to engage with.

[dusty osprey]

Excited to see hogwarts legacy 2 and hopefully it expands upon our current story instead of..Going towards Harry Potters era for no reason

That being said I’d love to see bombarda maxima in game :> I know it’s a movie thing but it sounds cool maybe it’s a stronger version of normal spells

[scenic marsh]

The Bombarda mastery talent in Hogwarts Legacy certainly felt like a Bombarda Maxima to me. The large aoe effect the talent added to it was impressive 🙂

It would certainly be nice for a bigger repertoire of spells in the second game. A couple of great spell mods in HL added the range and selection I wanted, but it would be nice if a wider range would be baseline in the sequel.

[grim citrus]

i swear i cannot help but laugh about the start of the game where ominis is like " yeah i mess with the first years by pretending there are mermaids out there" i hope HL2 there' s actually characters like dementors and mermaids in the game and can be interacted with.

[grim citrus]

do you guys think that HL2 will continue on where this story ended but with Sebastian as the villain? like he's so overtaken with the dark arts that it consumes him?

[clear jasper]

Maybe could be a possibility.
Or we could dive further in the past

[grim citrus]

I just like everything was shown in such detail even compared to others like natty that he has to be important moving forward

[unborn ferry]

I think Sebastian becoming a big villain would be too clishé and it doesn't even makes much sense imo... he was doing all this for Anne (as he claimed at least), but now? She is not much pleased... also he is not exactly the "big bad villain boss type", joining wrong side maybe, but not the leader....
Also, I hardly doubt canonically he would not be charged... killed a person and is the last he was seen with. So not turning him in is only about not being judged as well, imo 🤷🏻‍♀️

[grim citrus]

I think the idea of him starting for the right reasons and then getting morphed as he delves further is interesting. i agree he wouldn’t be a main villain

I could see like rookwood level

[unborn ferry]

Not even that... he does not understand consequences of his actions. Without other help he would be quickly charged. He went that far only because he had Ominis as a backup.

[grim citrus]

When it came to Unforgivable Curses, Ominis was always against the use. There was a complete tone shift in sebastien the moment he could control inferi. it seemed to really affect him.

[unborn ferry]

I mean, the fact he was able to use unforgivable curses, get the artifact, sneak into library without being charged or expelled is only because of Ominis. Ominis is the one with ability to talk his way out of things. He didn't wanted his friend to be expelled, but he won't support him anymore now.

[dusty osprey]

Dark Lord Sebastian though

:D

[scenic marsh]

I don't think the role of a villain necessarily fits Sebastian. He is a complex and multifaceted character with quite a bit of nuance, and it is important to look at the changes and back-and-forths to his character throughout his story. He is confident and pragmatic, but also kind and possessing of a good heart. His delving deeper into the Dark Arts was not in pursuit of power or personal gain but to find a cure for his sister Anne. Later in his quest-line, as his personal situation worsens and his frustrations mount up, we see him lose control over himself, but at the end he regains clarity, sees that he has gone to far and expresses remorse.
I can see a path to his darkening if we turn him in at the end of his quest-line, and assuming it would not end with a life-long sentence in Azkaban, but the opposite- a rise after hitting rock bottom- is very possible if we chose to protect him instead and give him a real second chance.

This is a storyline that begs a continuation in the next game. I hope to see that, and I hope Avalanche do it well and give meaning to our actions and choices from the first game (and possibly in the second game as well).

[unborn ferry]

He had many chances, that's the issue. Three to be precise. He didn't stop. He lost his best friend trust. Someone who knows him the longest. Even his sister doesn't want to speak with him. Murder is a murder. Forbidden is forbidden and he had a chance to stop already. Overlook the murder is never good.

Hagrid for example was charged for murder and was expelled, forbidden to use magic with his wand broken. That is fair judgment.

And as I mentioned above, Sebastian doesn't have the traits to become villain, imo. His wrongdoings comes mainly from his reclessness. The only reason he wasn't expelled already is because he has Ominis standing up for him. But he no longer will.

And also there is a question if someone wouldn't find out that they were the last to see Solomon and check their wands... I think it's naive to think no one will figure it out.

People got expelled from Hogwarts even for much lighter reasons than is the murder.

[clear jasper]

Sebastian was obsessed. And obsession makes people do bad things.
His original purpose to find a cure was honorable but he gave himself no limits and became obsessed. Hence why his uncle was so angry with him.
And the MC's presence and specific magic made his obsession worse.

I'm actually surprised Ominis didn't turn him in as soon as the crucio spell was cast.

[mossy crane]

Ominis knew that ||the door|| required Crucio & since Sebastian was able to cast it, he didn't turn him in due to his own life getting saved. ♥

[clear jasper]

No i do understand that. But if Ominis decided to talk to the. Headmaster earlier maybe things wouldn't have gone so dark in the end.
I'm probably just overthinking everything.
I just don't like how bad it ends for Sebastian.

[mossy crane]

Headmaster wants nothing to with most of the kids, but then again, Ominis really doesn't want to use his family to get to Seb either b/c that may very well mean moving back with them, which he doesn't want at all.

[clear jasper]

I know i know. 😩

[mossy crane]

Leave Seb be, cuz if Anne's illness takes her in the end, he'd be free to make sure she's buried with her favorite flowers & have a headstone made lovingly well. Ominis would bring the whole house too knowing him.

[clear jasper]

Sadly i don't think after casting that killing spell on his uncle he'll ever be the same again.
If Anne dies it'll kill him for sure.

[mossy crane]

Death by a broken heart? I can see that, but if nothing else, he'd at least try to make sure that Anne is safe & ask Ominis to be with her for that since he know he most likely won't be able to face her after what he did.

[clear jasper]

On that i have no doubts. I actually can picture Ominis and Anne together until the curse takes her away. But in this picture i can't help but see Sebastian by their side.
Hence why i do wish something was done before he killed his uncle 😩

[mossy crane]

Sebastian blacked out when his life was directly threatened, which is no surprise to me. He knows that if he dies in the fight, Anne will be forbidden to seek a cure with Ominis & the new student on her own since he's a Gaunt & his uncle will silence the new student over their strange magic. When one really steps back to see the bigger picture, Sebastian is far more understanding of his best friend, his sister & MC's magic & accepting of learning new things from everyone. One doesn't have to like his decision to end his uncle's life, but in the end, the lives of those that refuse to progress medical treatment are what hold humanity itself back from living a better life. If he can't find her a cure that's permanent, then perhaps just taking the pain when she's having a severe bout of it to where she can function better will suffice. I'd rather let Sebastian walk free & try to sort things out with his sister & Ominis. After all, Ominis knows the pain of being forced to cast a curse while not truly wanting to cast it & he can help lead Sebastian back into a stable state. Ominis came back from his darkness & Sebastian is capable of the same. I want to see Ominis lead the twins to peace & help them find a cure that respects Anne's wishes alongside MC. ♥

[worthy trench]

I don't think Solomon knew anything bout AM or the MCs ability to use it

I would love to know how Miriam even learned of AM to begin with

or rather the specific form of it that is seen throughout the game

The Keepers were really hush-hush bout it. So Miriam must have found something from another source unknown to the Keepers or something they left behind which didn't require AM ability or use to access

[unborn ferry]

Sebastian attacked Solomon first. Solomon is a former auror, he warned him once before after seeing him casting imperio... and now he saw a boy using dark artefact attacking him. His reaction as former auror is absolutely legitimate.

That is the exact problem with Sebastian. He makes you think there might be a cure. You seriously think, that if not even the best doctors in ST. Mungo knows the cure, you see more then one professor not being able to heal their injuries made by dark magic and even Ominis being through with all this with his eyes - that a 15 year old recless boy will miraculously find it? Yes there might have been an option in ancient magic, but on Isidora's case we have been shown the consequences of such "cure".

He doesn't accept any other truth than his own. He didn't listened even to Anne that said herself she knows, she feel it can't be cured. She refused to go with him unless Ominis comes as well.

As I mentioned before, Sebastian doesn't deserve second chance, because he had more than that already. And Ominis using dark arts is different from Sebastian. He didn't like it from the very begging. Sebastian known his friend and still went down this path, even though someone knowing everything about it kept warning him about consequences. He deserves a punishment.

[clear jasper]

That's exactly why i wish he was taken care of earlier.
And to be perfectly honest the presence of the MC didn't make things better for him, rather it pushed him further onto that path.

But i do also agree that in order to find a possible cure -if there's any- more research could have been done. (Maybe there was researches being done, we don't know anything for certain after all) But certainly not by 15yo kids that's for sure.

I almost had hopes when the mc killed Rookwood by accident, that the curse would have been gone but nope. That was a major trigger to me cause the poor Anne deserved a proper cure.

[unborn ferry]

Yes. But as I mentioned before. There were other characters with wounds or curses that couldn't be cured. Anne wasn't the only one. None of them were cured. And they were even aurors or worked on ministry not just mere students. There is no cure and if so, the consequences are to high to pay them.

[unborn ferry]

And yes, MC didn't help at all. If it weren't for him Sebastian would not get to the scriptorium in a first place. He wouldn't be able to persuade Ominis alone.

[clear jasper]

I understand that. I do. I just don't like how the story unfolded i suppose? But i for sure agree that the use of ancient magic was a totally no go. As much as i want Anne to be cure, i don't want to see her lose her humanity for it.

[clear jasper]

On that i totally agree. And i hate that whatever answer the mc choose, we still have to go there 🤦‍♀️

[mossy crane]

Azkaban is NOT it though. Never should be for a teenager either. He's one of those that has to learn the hard way & he's already admitted his guilt if spared. I'd rather be there while he cries & have him study the ancient magic's workings on what gets affected when pain is drawn out.

[unborn ferry]

No one said he will go to Azkaban. I mentioned it multiple times before. Hagrid got expelled and was forbidden to use magic. People were expelled for much lesser things than murder. And as I said he would be expelled multiple times if it would not be for Ominis.

It's nice he admitted it but bit too late. He had more than second chance already. Now it's just too late.

As the one mentioned above, he should have been judged sooner. But everyone around him still were forgiving him. Trying to understand his reasons. Even Solomon could report him as soon as he saw him used Imperio. He didn't, he "only" forbid him to see Anne again. What else he should do to punish him?

[random moon]

3 days late but ANY Unforgivable curse used against a human is a one way ticket to Azkaban and if Sebastian is turned in yes he’ll be expelled but then he’ll go straight to a farce of a trail and spend the rest of his life in Azkaban. That’s literally the law for it they’re called Unforgivale for a reason.

[unborn ferry]

Well, and he should be overlooked when he literally used all three curses?

[indigo holly]

You have had this same argument multiple times with multiple different people, what part of 'a traumatised fifteen-year-old does not deserve 24/7 mental torture for the rest of his life' do you not understand

[unborn ferry]

No, he is a murderer that doesn't understand consequences. Not only that, he ignores them. And as I mentioned multiple times before he had many opportunities to stop, yet didn't. He does not deserve second chance, because he had it many times before.

And as I said in my country 15 year old is criminally liable. Usually the punishment is meant to teach lessons - for murder often half of the punishment that is for adults. 15 year is old enough to understand consequences. And murder and using something strictly forbidden is worth of high punishment. I wouldn't like my children near someone who killed willingly.

This and we don't know for sure how exactly he would be punished. We are just assuming.

... and the judgement should definitely not be decided by other 15 years old. Sorry.

[indigo holly]

See? Arguing with him is pointless

[clear jasper]

As i stated Sebastian was obsessed and should have been taken care of sooner. He was obviously traumatized by the loss of his parents and then his sister gets cursed.
When his search became obsessional, someone should have take that seriously. It's just sad no one cared enough. Maybe Ominis could have make him hear reasons if MC never showed up at hogwarts though.

But i don't think he doesn't deserve a chance to do better. He clearly wasn't himself. Trauma was eating him up. And no responsible adult did anything to help him with that.

[unborn ferry]

that’s something I agree with. Others were trying to make him feel better, excusing him and the result became too serious…

[unborn ferry]

As I mentioned. He did have many chances to do better. Ominis wanted to reason with him and he didn’t listen anyway. Solomon mentioned they were through with this already before, he wanted Sebastian to understand and accept the truth - Anne knew she can’t be cured and Sebastian not accepting it did make it all only worse. She needed him to be by her side not trying to find cure…

[clear jasper]

Solomon didn't really do anything apart from telling him "there's nothing to do". The boy needed an adult to care for him. Someone who wasn't gonna just tell him " give up it's useless" but someone who was going to sit with him talk with him, understand him and help him get through his trauma.
Solomon was too angry to do that and Ominis' parents were out of the question for this. And no one else in the adults around him did anything. The boy was alone.
In my opinion he deserves a chance to really do better. With the help he truly needs.

[unborn ferry]

Why? I’m giving you serious judgment even based on real life examples. Murder is a murder. Forgiven curse is forgiven for a reason. He used them all without regrets. Ok maybe he regretted the killing curse, but he still was able to cast it. The curse doesn’t work properly if you don’t mean it. 15 years is old enough to take full responsibility. Blaming adults not guide him properly is no longer exuse in this age.

Ominis was through terrible things as well and didn’t harm anyone without regret. Being poorly guided is not excuse to do wrong. Nor in real life. I have lot of friends with terrible families and yet never hurt anyone else…

[unborn ferry]

The issue is, we don’t see real picture. we see only what mc sees and what Sebastian wants us to know. Solomon was taking good care about Anne in this state, imo. Yes was mad on Sebastian. But again that is not an excuse to kill or learn dark arts. Even with bad families and lot of trauma you can be amazing person. He had many opportunities to find good examples among teachers and new friends in Hogwarts. Wasn’t enough.

See Ominis. His family literally tortured him, forced him to do terrible things, he lost his beloved aunt and now even losing both of his best friends. And is he a murderer? Did he broke the laws to proof everyone right? no. Because your trauma is not an excuse. See Harry Potter… Did he became villain? no.

Yes, Most of the villains had some trauma. But there are lot of people that had similar trauma and never hurt anyone…

[unborn ferry]

… anyway. I do find these discussions interesting nonetheless, because it seems it really depends where are you from. If I ask almost anyone I know, who played HL, would say Sebastian clearly deserves punishment. No arguing. But the way you guys speak, the in the place you live it’s apparently different. For me it’s just not much understandable, I was raised differently.

[clear jasper]

You forget an important factor in your explanation.
Not everyone reacts the same way to a same situation.
Not everyone can stay rational.
Not everyone is the same my friend.
I am not saying that using the killing spell is forgivable.
But i also take into account everything he's been through and his obsessive nature.
Obsessive people don't think things rationally. And don't act upon reason. They act upon feelings. Good or bad.
You should never overlook someone's nature when you analyze a situation.

[unborn ferry]

I don’t, but you can’t expect people will treat you any differently because of that. Yes, you can keep it in mind during the judgement, but that is all. The punishment won’t be much different. Maybe shorter and more focused on therapy, but you can’t let him walk freely. And as I said it’s not up to 15 years olds to decide. This should be taken to higher places to judge. I understand what you are trying to say, but You can’t overlook the fact that - he killed a person and used forbidden spells without regrets. That is not something you can just forget and behave like it never happened. It’s serious case.

[wild river]

"murder is murder" is a very deontological statement

sometimes murdering someone does more good than harm

solomon is a person who DESERVES to die

have u not seen how that fat idiot reacted when sebastian literally saves anne's life by casting imperio on that goblin??

he didnt even care if anne died

he just cares about the fact that u shouldnt use unforgivables

sometimes fat idiots like solomon should die for good uk

"i will report this to the headmaster 🤡 " yeah unc u gotta go

[unborn ferry]

his reaction was absolutely on place. he could use any other spell, yet choose the forbidden one. He is former auror and sees his relative using forbidden curse INSTICTIVELY.

you are not to decide who should live and who don’t. that’s the law. if you don’t understand that you as well should be punished.

[unborn ferry]

he gave him the warning. Yet didn’t do that, despite him being former auror seeing curse being used instinctively.

and what makes you think he didn’t care about anne? who was with her all the time, making her comfortable as much as possible in her state? who will take care about her now? Besides if she would be recless as Sebastian, he would not have to save her in a first place. Why was she away from house without Solomon in the first place?

[wild river]

if he really cared about anne that much why didnt he let the relic cure her?

and why exactly did he hate sebastian? coz he practices dark arts?

that is equivalent to saying i hate you because you own a gun

sebastian isnt using unforgivables on random ppl nor for his own needs

the 3 instances of him using those were all used in the process of trying to save anne

[clear jasper]

@wild river i think no matter what we'll say he'll stay stuck into his judgement. It's been days we try to make him understand Sebastian isn't the bad guy here and that Solomon was a bad guardian in the first place but he is stuck to "Sebastian is bad".

[wild river]

seriously 😭

i really dont understand why ppl think sebastian was bad

[clear jasper]

People who believe everything is either black or white.

Sebastian is far from being bad. His trauma was just overlooked by Solomon and shrugged on.
He needed an adult to be there and help him cope with his feelings. Anyone who would really care for the kids would have seen the signs Sebastian was breaking down. It was obvious. Only Ominis saw it and sadly even though he has connections, none of his connection would have cared for Sebastian. Ominis did his best. But there's only so much he could do besides sticking by Sebastian's side.

I said it above, i only wish someone took care of Sebastian earlier rather than let him break down and take that path.

[unborn ferry]

I told you, I understand you see it differently. I was apparently risen differently and in country I live in this is clear judgment - guilty for murder. I think I even mentioned how it is judged in the places where you live? Because for me it really is not understantable. You are the offensives one here not accepting facts even based on real life cases. So I'm asking, how is murder or anything bad judged in your countries if the one is 15 year old?

[unborn ferry]

And your judgment of Solomon is not clearly black or white?

Are you forgiving Sebastian only because he is 15 years?

[wild river]

i think bro is really pissed on the fact that solomon died 😭

ask anyone how they feel about solomon and everyone will say they hate him and he deserves to die

god has given us a brain to think and judge a situation. solomon had to go. he died coz he foolishly came to destroy the relic and started fighting against us

its nobody's fault

if i had learned avada kedavra before that quest i would straight up blast him before sebastian did, no second questions asked

[unborn ferry]

How old are you? Srsly, there is not much to discuss if you can't tell the difference between the issue of murder and not sympathetic character. The fact someone is not someone you like doesn't mean he deserves to die. What the hell is that kind of thinking?

[unborn ferry]

I don't understand one more thing. Why you need to make me understand? I thought this was a discussion. You give me your idea and why you think it and I will give you mine. If I'm still defending my point, then your arguments are not enough reasonable to change my mind. But that is not an issue. Everyone has their opinions and as I mentioned this one can be influenced by the criminal system in a place you were risen. Most of people from where I live would have similar views.

So what do you expect me to say? "Oh yes you are right, Sebastian is poor little boy with terrible trauma, so he doesn't deserve any punishment for the things he has done?" Well, I can say that, just don't agree with that.

[indigo holly]

Trust me, this argument has been had multiple times before you even joined; personally I think !'s viewpoint is too extreme in the other direction, but still

[clear jasper]

I mean i do consider Solomon an irresponsible guardian as he failed to even see his nephew was breaking down, or rather, he saw and chose to shrug it off but i wouldn't say he deserved to die. I agree that's going too extreme. But i cannot agree on the fact Sebastian should spend the rest of his life in Azkaban. He deserves a chance to do better and to be taken care of. He isn't some evil mastermind who killed for the pleasure of killing. Idk how Sinai can have such a heavy hate toward the kid.

[clear jasper]

Nobody said he doesn't deserve a punishment. But saying he doesn't deserve a chance to do better is completely insane.

And saying Solomon was a good guardian is also completely insane.

He shrugged off Sebastian's pain and only denied him.
What good do you think it does to just tell a kid "stop and move on"

He is a kid bro

He needed a real guidance and a real help.

[wild river]

firstly this is a video game NOT real life. if in a video game i do not like a character i have every right to kill them/ want them to get killed

in real life u obviously cant kill someone like that

how is me hating a video game character and wanting him to die make my thinking bad? lol

in the VIDEO GAME hogwarts legacy, solomon really pissed me off and made me hate him so i was elated when sebastian killed him. simple

to sum it up for you, solomon sallow was an idiot who thinks he knows everything and imagines himself as a very responsible adult so he HAD to go and i appreciate that the devs made him die as i was pleasued and entertained, which is exactly the purpose of a video game- to entertain people

[clear jasper]

^ this

[unborn ferry]

I have similar feelings about Sebastian. Even my friend was pissed of by him. Wanted to kill him 🤷🏻‍♀️

[unborn ferry]

Well, then there is no reason to debate here about what Sebastian deserves or not. I was pissed of by him, think he doesn't deserve any more chances because he already had ones and the judgement should be brought higher. Simple. By not turning him in you don't give him any punishment. How is that better?

[unborn ferry]

I said he had multiple chances before. That's the issue. And I agreed that something should have been done sooner. Know it's too late.

[wild river]

wanted to kill whom? sebastian?

[unborn ferry]

Yeah. He pissed us off. How recless Nd selfish he is. Not listening to anyone else but him.

[wild river]

you and your friend have pretty unique emotions then

hating sebastian basically means u dont undrstand the game

[indigo holly]

Buddy just cut your losses, you're wasting your time with him

[wild river]

yeah you are right

[unborn ferry]

Thank you. I also think it's the extreme on the other side. Sorry if my points upset you somehow. I know we discussed it here multiple times. I guess it's me overthinking things and I can see the results in real life...

[indigo holly]

I'm not on your side here

[unborn ferry]

Well, excusing him does mean it as well. We saw what "good intentions" can result in Isidoras storyline

[unborn ferry]

Ok. What exactly is your problem here? That I disagree with you? If you answered me already, then let others answer and don't comment it any further 🤷🏻‍♀️

[indigo holly]

I genuinely do not know how to make you understand that 'lifelong 24/7 mental torture' is not a reasonable punishment for any crime. You keep saying 'we don't know that'll happen' but it's been stated clearly that use of the Unforgivables results in a lifelong sentence in Azkaban, so yes, we do. What part of both of those points do you not understand.

Do you still support flaying? Drawing and quartering?

You are so hung up on the idea of 'Sebastian needs to be punished' that you're refusing to acknowledge the idea of justice

[clear jasper]

Sebastian in Azkaban is simply a no go.

[unborn ferry]

Well, ok... there is a part where someone can say it's a HP world and they went to azkaban for lesser things that what Sebastian did. I don't like the torturing way of course, but that is how it's done there...

Anyway, we still don't know. Solomon, if I recall well used curse as well as an Auror, that is why he is no longer. Didn't went to Azkaban or was there for only short time... 🤷🏻‍♀️

And I still keep asking you, you would rather let someone like this wandering free without any punishment? Because not turning him in is exactly what it means... Overlook a murder.

[clear jasper]

So you legit wanna torture a traumatized 15yo kids who already hates himself for using that spell. What for exactly?

What good will it do exactly?

You can't honestly believe torturing him will help anyone.

[wild river]

according to your logic that "murder is murder", san bakar should have been sent to azkaban for killing isadora innit?? lmao

sometimes murder is for good but making you understand that is pointless

not exactly for good but unavoidable

[clear jasper]

Sebastian goes to Azkaban then what? Anne lost her parents, her uncle, her brother, is cursed.
Do you even think of her in your judgement?

[unborn ferry]

I didn't say I want to torture him. But punish him.

[clear jasper]

Punish him how.

[unborn ferry]

She lost everything already. Because of Sebastian. He lost her already without that.

[clear jasper]

Im interested to know what you think his punishment should be exactly.

[clear jasper]

And that's where you lost my respect.

[unborn ferry]

I've mentioned it above how it is done in real life. 🤷🏻‍♀️

[clear jasper]

That's the point you see. This isn't real life.

[unborn ferry]

Ok, so not punishing him is better?

[clear jasper]

You're not answering the question.

I cannot respect someone who tells me "she lost everything already" bro. Are you even listening to yourself.

[wild river]

@unborn ferry plz answer this lol

[unborn ferry]

I said it multiple times before. Expelled, forbidden to use magic with his wand broken - that is what Hagrid get for murder

[wild river]

do you think san bakar should be in azkaban

[clear jasper]

Let's take something comparative.
The case of the murder of Ariana Dumbledore. Should we send Albus and Abelforth to Azkaban for killing their sister?

You're not being rational.

[unborn ferry]

Well, she used dark arts. Using children.... It was exact defence.

Solomon didn't attack anyone. Sebastian attacked him first after using casually curses and dark artefact...
according to this logic Solomon has the right to kill Sebastian 🤷🏻‍♀️

[wild river]

solomon didnt attack anyone?? 💀

[clear jasper]

The problem is that you compare a full grown up actions to a kid's action

Plus

[unborn ferry]

No he did not.

[clear jasper]

Solomon was attacking mc

[wild river]

we literally had to fight him 😭

[clear jasper]

So we'll just overlook the fact he was attacking mc

While there were inferis all around

Ok.

[clear jasper]

He ain't even rational

[wild river]

ikr

atp ill just quit

[unborn ferry]

15 year old is responsible enough... young so his punishment would be halfed. But no other forgivness

[clear jasper]

He legit shrugged of the fact if Sebastian goes, Anne will be alone by saying "she already lost everything" as if her feelings don't matter.

[unborn ferry]

That was only game wanting a boss fight. 🤦🏻‍♀️ Sebastian attacked him first and if it weren't for mc Sebastian would not come that far

[clear jasper]

No it's not. You're irrational bro. 15 years old is young.

[unborn ferry]

How did Sebastian get Anne's feelings into account?

[clear jasper]

Then, with that same logic, that was for the purpose of the game Sebastian had to kill Solomon. Hows that 😊

[clear jasper]

Sebastian. Is. A. Kid.

[unborn ferry]

I said that is how it's judged in real life in my country. I mentioned it can be the main issue here

[clear jasper]

Omg 🤦‍♀️

[clear jasper]

WE ARE NOT IN REAL LIFE.

You can't seriously compare real life and hp universe omg 🤦‍♀️

Talking to you is useless.

You're clearly irrational.

Goodnight.

[unborn ferry]

You are saying I'm irrational here, so I'm telling you that my "irrationality" is based on real life judgment in place I live. These are simple laws meant to protect people.

[unborn ferry]

I feel the same about you 🤷🏻‍♀️

[indigo holly]

And there it is! There we see your black-and-white thinking. Because no, someone saying 'he doesn't deserve 24/7 MENTAL TORTURE FOR THE REST OF HIS LIFE' is not the Goddamn same as 'he's innocent and should get away with this' even remotely. Genuinely what the Hell is wrong with you.

I don't know what country you're from but I hope to God you never go into law or find yourself on a jury.

[unborn ferry]

You still haven't tell me how you would punish him though. Also talking about black and white and constantly saying "24/7 mental torture for the rest of life"... YOU DON'T KNOW THAT. and I'm saying to turn him in is the right decision. 15 years old are not to decide here what should be the punishment....

And there is literally "turn in" "not turning in". So sorry I assume "not turn in" means not punished at all. Just like you assume "turn in" means Azkaban.

[indigo holly]

'YOU DON'T KNOW THAT' YES WE DO YOU MORON. HOW MANY TIMES DO WE NEED TO REPEAT TO YOU THE PENALTY OF THE UNFORGIVABLE CURSES.

And the question is not 'does he deserve punishment'. It is 'does he deserve AZKABAN'. To which the answer is no. Because NO ONE DOES.

Punishment? Yes. Azkaban? No. What part of this are you not understanding

[unborn ferry]

Solomon wasn't punished like that. You mentioned the professor killing Isidora... they weren't in Azkaban either.

I also said that multiple times

And what punishment you want for him? Hmm?

[indigo holly]

That was someone else. And we actually don't know whether Solomon used the Killing Curse on anyone, we don't know what happened, all we have is supposition

[indigo holly]

Stop shifting the goalposts. That is not the question being asked here.

And San Bakar likely didn't end up in Azkaban because no one reported Isidora's death.

[unborn ferry]

It is. I disagree with not turning him in, because he deserves punishment. You don't want to turn him in, so I want to know what do you expect to happen?

[unborn ferry]

He is literally said to use unforgivable curse on dark wizard. That is why he is no longer an auror

[indigo holly]

Except you keep refusing to acknowledge that the 'punishment' he would be facing is Azkaban. Not just expulsion, Azkaban definitely because Ominis is confessing to Professor Black exactly what Sebastian did. He says at the end of the game that Sebastian is awaiting trial, which will certainly end in him being found guilty.

[indigo holly]

No, we don't. Replay the game. Sebastian tells us that he THINKS Solomon MAY have been coerced into using Dark Magic against an enemy. We know nothing for sure.

Just admit that you care more about the concept of 'punishment' than actual justice and shut the Hell up, you ghoul.

[unborn ferry]

Punishment is for preventing the person to do such things again. What is wrong with that? You don't want someone running wild using curses instinctively and murder people he disagrees with.

Anyway, As I asked you many times. What do you expect to happen, if you not turn him in? He will miraculously get into some therapy and never have anything to do with dark arts again?

Chill down a bit and come back when you can think more rationally. And stop insulting me. Not disagree or be mad is one thing, but insulting another. That's starting to as well be over the line... reportable

[indigo holly]

Punishment and prevention are not synonymous and the fact that you think they are says some extremely unpleasant things about who you are as a person.

I'm done talking to you. You have made it clear that these are views you apply to real human beings and not just the fictional character of Sebastian Sallow and that is something I find utterly repulsive. I say again, I genuinely hope you are never responsible for someone's legal fate and I hope one day you learn to view criminals with the most basic Goddamn shred of humanity.

[scenic marsh]

Well, of course he won't be the same. You saw it on his face when it was done- shock, instant regret, dropping his wand, his rage clearing and awful realisation setting in. This is what I was saying above- it was the moment he hit rock bottom. Someone who gets to such point and realises it can actually rise again. He'll always carry the scars and the guilt, but if he face what he has done honestly and accept any possible consequences that may result from his actions, he can find a better path forward. Our role in this is simply the choice between letting him suffer or extending a hand and helping him get up. I would argue that sparing him was compassionate not just towards him, but also and maybe particularly towards his best friend and his sister.
You can also look at it this way: if anyone has a right to decide Sebastian's fate, it's Anne. As she is torn by the possibilities, us choosing not to turn him in leaves the choice in her hands, if she makes a decision one way or another down the line.

[unborn ferry]

Ok. Can someone answer my question, what do you expect to happen if you not turn him in?

Turning him on means he is just for wrong he did. Punishment is both to teach lesson and prevent the person to continue his actions...

So by not turning him in, what you think will happen?

[wild river]

by not turning him we prove that we are a good friend of him and that he passed on the 3 unforgivable curses to someone mature

mc and sebastian will continue to have fun together and embark on more exciting adventures to destroy all evils existing in the HL world

anyone turning sebastian in is lwk a pathetic person with 0 discretion ability

no offense but your words are lwk giving that "teacher's pet" vibes. those kids who complain about you to the teacher for speaking in the class

if someone wants their FRIEND to get punished for doing something wrong then you are not his friend and also a pathetic person noone should be friends with

say in real life my friend commits a heinous crime and i have the sole discretion to choose whether to punish him or not, i will obviously choose not to.

if its not my discretion and not getting him punished is not in my hands, then surely i cannot do anything

[unborn ferry]

That makes you crime assistant though. If anyone ever get to know your crime, you will be judged the same.

[unborn ferry]

This is honestly naive. Says you are not mature.

[wild river]

i seriously wonder if you have any friends in irl lmao

[unborn ferry]

I do. And none of them would do any serious crime.

And definitely wouldn't drag me with them.

[wild river]

💀

ok bro

i cant argue with a rock

[unborn ferry]

Same here...

[wild river]

wdym same 😭

3-4 ppl in this chat alone says one thing

and u say a different thing

[unborn ferry]

An how old are you 3-4?

[wild river]

u know whats deviation from the mass or majority of people called? abnormality

[wild river]

lmao

how old r u

some 6th grader?

i think hogwarts legacy has some age criteria i forgot some 16+

i think u should play games like astro's playroom or something

[unborn ferry]

that is maybe the issue. I'm even no longer in school, baby. I'm a working person, that plays games on my free times 🤷🏻‍♀️

You haven't answered. How old are you, baby?

[wild river]

u clearly are a manchild "baby"

grow up lmao

please stop having opinions on video games

and even if u do plz dont say it

[unborn ferry]

Same can be said about you 😂

Still haven't answered 😂

[unborn ferry]

I can do whatever I want. You know, I'm an adult. I'm fully aware of the responsibilities and consequences. 🤷🏻‍♀️... unlike certain someone...

[dusty osprey]

Dark Lord Sebastian though 🤔

[grim citrus]

so true

[mossy crane]

Shadow King of the Highlands? I like it!

[tough quartz]

Just got this puzzle and noticed that Ron, Hermoine and Harry are all wearing their house scarves in a different style, like in the Sorcerer’s Stone movie. It’s been years but is that mentioned in the book?

[minor fiber]

harry ron and hermione look possessed what the heck

why do they look like that 😭

[slate thicket]

The story: Harry thinks he is getting a package that hedwig is carrying, but its not hedwig. Its an imposter owl dropping a bomb 👍

[zinc pawn]

i lowkey wish that they’d played a lot more into the pain removal stuff in sebastian’s quest line. i feel like he really would’ve been more begging and pleading and maybe even angry with us to try and get us to use it to heal anne’s pain. maybe if we went with the bad ending n kept that magic, we could’ve taken her pain?? i know it has awful consequences but sebastian doesn’t even know that!!

[worthy trench]

It doesn't take physical pain away

it take emotional pain away

and ultimately turns you into a vegatable basically with constant use

So it wouldn't help Anne anyway

and MC doesn;t even know the spell

and the Keepers likely don't either

[scenic marsh]

True, but Isidora's experiments expanded on the known applications of Ancient Magic and further demonstrated that it can be used to accomplish feats of magic that normal wizardry could not as easily if at all. Her research led to a method of extracting emotional pain, but arguably, Ancient Magic may be utilised to heal, break an otherwise unbreakable curse (if a dark relic could potentially do such a thing, why not the primordial magic that is the bedrock of modern wizardry?), etc. The Keepers were wise to be cautious in their own research and applications of AM, because they recognised its potential for both great good and great harm.
In addition, canonically, Ancient Magic, while requiring great talent and understanding to learn how to wield, if one does not have a natural connection to it (Like Percival, Isidora and our character), is not wielded like ordinary magic. It's methods and applications seem more intuitive and driven by will and intent- no incantations, and perhaps not even a need for a wand (Lliy's Sacrificial protection on Harry is a good example). A potential story thread could have been consulting with the Keepers regarding the possibility of using AM to break a curse and/or heal its damage.
Personally, I was very disappointed that nothing was done with that, that we couldn't actually do anything regarding Sebastian's plea to us to consult the Keepers. I'm hoping that maybe the sequel will explore that loose story thread.

[worthy trench]

The issue is no one knows the counter-curse to the curse Rookwood used or what curse he even used. One can't just remove a curse without that knowledge

Only Rookwood knew it and he was killed.

The Keepers prob don't know it either and they may not even have the knowledge even if the real Keepers did cos portraits only have whatever info the original gave them and those portraits are designed to guide AM users through their trials and on what AM is and to use it without abusing it or becoming corrupted by its power.

They may not even have the ability to help with anything outside that

or have the info on whatever curse Rookwood used

which may well be a curse he invented himself which means only he would know it

and he may not have made a counter-curse or cure to it

But yah MC never does bring it up to Keepers in story

Thats on devs

It would have been a dead end anyway i think since the point of Seb's questline is dark magic leads to ruin and tragedy

and to use the time you have with loved ones to be with them as much as you can and not waste it chasing something that either doesn't or prob doesn't exist.

The devs stance on it prob is that there is no cure for Anne

[unborn ferry]

I'm wondering. Why you think Ominis was sorted into slytherin, even though he didn't want to? Do you think, that him being from Slytherin's bloodline didn't allow him a choice?

Sirius was sorted to griffindor even though his family were slytherins...

[clear jasper]

I am pretty sure Ominis chose Slytherin. To avoid more family drama.

I asked myself that question countless times.
But first he always believed there was more to Slytherin than what his family kept teaching him (he says it when he speaks about Noctua).
And second, Ominis doesn't wanna be tortured by his family no more so he probably did as much as he could to not provoke more Cruciatus spells thrown his way by his so called brother.

[unborn ferry]

I don't think he believed that. He just mentioned Noctua did. He believed everything connected to slytherin is bad. In that cut voice lines, some students asked mc if Ominis is still sad (don't recall the exact word) about being sorted into Slytherin.

[clear jasper]

Nope he does he believes there's more to Slytherin than what's being taught in the olf families. And he doesn't say everything connected to Slytherin is bad but that dark arts are.

[unborn ferry]

Hmm... if I think about it, Harry's son was sorted into Slytherin as well even though he didn't want to, wasn't he? So maybe "don't want to" is not enough. Both Harry and Hermione were certain and strictly rejected any other option. So maybe if you are not absolutely certain, you wouldn't be sorted accordingly. 🤷🏻‍♀️

[clear jasper]

Well. It wouldn't be wrong to assume the hat knew more than we can imagine abt the students he was sorting. Maybe he also take into account a few other parameters. After he's been made out of pure ancient magic along with the castle. We can assume he sorts people not only abt their family and what people want but also what will put them onto the path they're meant to follow?

[unborn ferry]

It certainly does know more than we can imagine.

[clear jasper]

I will never forget that he told Harry that he would have be better into Slytherin.

Why would he say that if not because he saw a part of Voldemort into Harry?

[unborn ferry]

Well.. but if you follow Slytherin's characteristics and traits he would fit. Merlin was Slytherin as well 🤷🏻‍♀️

[clear jasper]

That's true. Tbh i never thought harry fit in Gryffindor anyway. Nor did Hermione.
Even if we remove Voldemort from Harry, he has all the qualities of a Slytherin.

I actually wish we could know more about the hat.

[worthy trench]

It uses Legilimency to see into their minds and read their personalities and traits and bases its choice on those things aswell as what the Founders valued.

In HPs case, it read the traits from LV's soul piece and thus considered Slytherin for him per JKR. Having said that, he still had some traits that Slytherin prized. Resourcefullness, cunning, a certain disregard for rules as Dumbledore told him

Ultimately the hat chooses were it thinks a student is best suited at the time based on the traits they currently have.

Ultimately people change as they grow and can prove the hat right or wrong in the end

[indigo holly]

<@&755190193367023772> Some slipped through

[unborn ferry]

Yes, but it was said it does include students personal choices. When Harry didn't want to he wasn't sorted into slytherin. But Ominis was, even though he didn't want to much.

[neon kindle]

First

[reef kindle]

Second

[high creek]

Discuss the lore and history of The Wizarding World in the 1890's and before (and maybe even a bit after) in this channel. Please try to keep the topic on the game itself and not the wider lore and history of the Harry Potter books, making comparison, reference and connection is fine.

[past nacelle]

Sliding into my new favourite channel. I'm a loremaster, by trade for anything that interests me. Much like how I'm diving into WoD lore, recently.

[neon kindle]

WoD?

[past nacelle]

World of Darkness, y'know? Vampire: The Masquerade and Werewolf: The Apocalypse stuff.

[modern moth]

5th

person to enter the lore channel

7th message in the channel

[reef kindle]

thank you for keeping it organised (8th)

[slow horizon]

The trace will be a problem. Especially when you cast AK. Law against underage magic was passed in 1875

[modern moth]

no problem 10th

fixed

[high creek]

I know new channels are exciting but can we try to keep it vaguely on topic in here please.

[modern moth]

there aint really much lore to talk about yet until we get more HL stuff

Bro

what?

[viral fox]

Channels should still be kept on-topic, please. ❤️

If there isn't much to contribute, that's fine; just don't use it for other reasons.

[past nacelle]

Well, that is a problem unless we don't have the trace..in which case, that's dubious.

[reef kindle]

so, question is, how does Avada Kedavra kill? We know it is instantaneous, we know it leaves no physical evidence of any kind, and we know that the victims face looks like they have seen a great terror.

[past nacelle]

Assuming most see the spell coming at that and not as say, an assassination spell. I mean, canonically, silent casting an AK isn't possible but would whispering work for it or does it need to be yelled/said with major intent to kill? Hmm..

[neon kindle]

Is vampire masquerade and werewolf like a book or is it seperate

[past nacelle]

It started as TTRPG then branched out, kinda like Dungeons & Dragons.

[slow horizon]

It's possible.

[vivid owl]

Surely you could just silently stun someone first and then cast the AK.

[reef kindle]

let's say it is extremely difficult, but it is possible to cast the killing curse silently

[past nacelle]

Hm, let's just put that in the 'dodge any green looking spells', just in case.

[vivid owl]

"Constant Vigilance"

[slow horizon]

Grimmson casted AK nonverbally @past nacelle

as did Tom Riddle

[reef kindle]

right, but how does the curse kill? What does it do to the body of a living creature? does it stop the heart? or rips the soul out, in which case when fake Moody killed that spider did the spider have a soul?

[past nacelle]

Well, I stand corrected. I assumed it was one of the few spells that needed to be said to be cast.

[reef kindle]

oh, lore's a female dog alright 😄

[vivid owl]

Lahros, I just realised you swapped houses

Also I just assumed the AK kills via a massive heart attack or something.

[reef kindle]

you're one of the reason why actually 😄

[wind warren]

hello lore

[reef kindle]

it would leave a physiological evidence... it does not though

[vivid owl]

hmmm

¯_(ツ)_/¯

as many people have pointed out, it's probably one of the weaker parts of the lore of the world and certainly one of the less creative ways to kill someone as a wixen

[vivid owl]

Also yay. And now we have a channel to talk about British history and how it may affect HP lore.

[wind warren]

i love this

[neon kindle]

Avada just shuts down everything i wish there was a cure for it tho

[vivid owl]

a cure for death

I think that's called necromancy

you know beyond inferi, and vampires the undead aren't really a thing at all in HP lore

Interesting question but when would potentially have been the last dark lord to have raised inferi that could be hanging around in the Scottish Highlands?

[reef kindle]

if my neighbours are anything to go about, I'd say Wednesday... 😄

[wind warren]

interesting

i never really think of there being others

[reef kindle]

but in all seriousness, I don't think you need to be a dark lord, you could be a regular undertaker, bewitched, to provide the fresh corpses for the ritual? spell? curse? what creates the inferi?

[vivid owl]

Well the thing is we know there have been quite a few dark lords over the years.

[reef kindle]

one of the first ones is Harpo the Foul

[vivid owl]

Like Herpo the Foul who is the guy who supposedly first created a horcrux, though then supposedly either destroyed it or let it be destroyed cos he ended up dying naturally after having just sort of left the world alone

lol

great minds think alike there

[reef kindle]

I call him Harpo after the Marx brothers 😄

[vivid owl]

I'm never fully sure how Herpo got the dark lord moniker when it seems he didn't really kill that many people at all, maybe only 1 or 2, although he did muck about with some series dark magic, but he was a hermit and a recluse and wasn't bothered with being an evil lord of darkness.

[past nacelle]

Wouldn't surprise me if the British/UK Wizarding World had a constant dark lord problem. I mean, we all know (supposedly) one of those stretches back to Merlin's time, Morgan Le Fay/Morgana Le Fay, however it's spelt so I think there's something in the water in the country that causes there to be dark lords every so often that it's almost common unlike other countries, at least..that's my theory on things.

[vivid owl]

My theory is that it's just British people being British

meaning dumb

[reef kindle]

an interesting theory, but that doesn't account for Gregorovits and Grindelwald, just to name the latest editions

Herpo/Harpo was Greek

[vivid owl]

Gregorovitch was a wandmaker, who just happened to get the Elder Wand

[reef kindle]

yes, he was also a dark wizard

[past nacelle]

We don't have a monopoly on it but we have had some big names for dark lords.

[vivid owl]

Grindelwald was originally German I think but after being expelled from Durmstrang spent his remaining teenage years in Britain

[reef kindle]

Austrian

[past nacelle]

Why was he expelled? Was it ever said? Wouldn't surprise me if it was because he tried offing someone.

[reef kindle]

exactly that

muggles, to be more specific

[vivid owl]

He was performing dark magic experiments even the Dark Arts teacher at Durmstrang thought was super unsafe.

[reef kindle]

these Austrians of a certain age though... they really had a thing for offing people they thought were somehow lesser of themselves

[vivid owl]

Then after he was expelled but before he left, he used a dark magic spell of his own creation to carve the mark of the deathly hallows into the wall of a corridor in Durmstrang near its main hall. And they've been unable to remove it ever since.

[reef kindle]

just tile it up, ffs 😄

[vivid owl]

apparently it resists being covered, or carved out and once they tried blasting the wall and yet it still remained

that's one hell of a tricky spell

[reef kindle]

also, that sounds like a desperate attempt to fit narrative into a place that didn't exist 5 pages before 😛

[past nacelle]

Wonder if it's the same spell Walburga Black used to keep her loudmouth portrait hanging in the hall of Grimmauld Place? xD

[reef kindle]

oh, yeah, that is a super-adhesive spell

but that biddy really irked me...

[reef kindle]

strangely, Hermione used the exact same spell for something I can't remember right now...

[bold roost]

teh one where she went pop

thats the spell

[vivid owl]

So speaking of Black's, we'd meet Sirius Black the 2nd at school as he was born in 1877 making him 13 going on 14 in 1890

[bold roost]

wait serious black be in the game?

[vivid owl]

That being Sirius Black the 3rd's great grandfather

[past nacelle]

Also, I believe (correct me if I'm wrong) Phineas Nigellus Black is the headmaster of Hogwarts, during Legacy's era. I lines up about right, I think.

[vivid owl]

There is technically his younger brother Phineas Black (not Phineas Nigellus Black), who was disowned and a birth date isn't given.

[reef kindle]

and his father Phineas Nigellus is headmaster

[vivid owl]

His even younger brother Cygnus Black is a year old come the start of the game.

I have just realised that the black family tree on the website is arranged wrong

[wind warren]

never had a lore moment where i actually know what everyone is talking about

this is so fun

[vivid owl]

sure Sirius the 2nd is on the left as the eldest as should be in family trees, but then Cygnus born 1889 is further left than Belvina (b. 1886) and Arcturus (b. 1884)

hmm

someone did an oopsie

ohwell not a major issue

[reef kindle]

here is a rather interesting addendum to all this, the Black family was related to Gaunts, Weasleys, Potters, Lastranges, Dumbledores and Crabbes... Harry and Voldemort were both descended from Slytherin, who in turn possibly was a descendent of Herpo the Foul on account of the Parseltongue. And with the Blacks being married into every wizarding family, at Harry's time, Ginny Weasley was also a descendent of Slytherin, like literally 2/3rd of the school, including faculty 😄

🤯

[vivid owl]

Also maybe's it's just me, but the Blacks seem to always have multiple children per branch of the family unless they marry into families where they are more likely to have a single child like the Potters, but as the family tree only goes back to the 1840s, I feel we're missing literally hundreds if not thousands of connections

[reef kindle]

we know about the Peverell connection

on account of the Gaunt ring and the Potter cloak

and we know that the tapestry says The Most Ancient Family Black

[vivid owl]

The reason why I bring it up is that depending on how many cousins the Blacks have at the time of HL, they'd be their own little faction within the school

[past nacelle]

Oh good gods...

[reef kindle]

we don't use monikers like that likely...

[vivid owl]

The Noble and Most Ancient House of Black to be specific, reinforcing my idea that they are likely titled as well

[reef kindle]

that's it, thank you

[vivid owl]

Probably the reason that Phineas Nigellus Black got the job as headmaster despite being unpopular is that the Black name at the time carried massive political capital in Wizarding Britain and so would have given the school access to much better teachers and equipment and the like.

[reef kindle]

yeah, I never liked that no wizarding family has a title because they didn't care for it, but Merlin was at the Round Table and Sir Nicholas was at court...

[vivid owl]

and Sir Cadogan

and the Malfoys being granted land by William

[reef kindle]

the Bloody Baron?

[vivid owl]

and so many other things that hint that noble titles should exist and probably still would due to the old fashioned nature of the Wizarding World

yeah that's an example

and he was one of Slytherin's students, meaning he was a baron around the year 1000

[reef kindle]

and Rowena had a diadem... who had diadems in Scotland at 990AD?

[vivid owl]

nobility and royalty

And sure you can say it doesn't matter in the modern day outside the Wizengamot, so that you're not going to walk up to say Malfoy and call him "Lord Malfoy" in the middle of the street, but in the Wizengamot he'd be "Lord Malfoy Nth Baron or Earl of . . ."

but still even in our world where it doesn't matter much, a noble title brings weight with it that opens doors.

[reef kindle]

actually, that is exactly what you supposed to do, he is not Mr Malfoy in that case, now is he?

[reef kindle]

it certainly does

[vivid owl]

So my interpretation of the lore is that Phineas Nigellus was given the role of headmaster at Hogwarts to use his political power and wealth as the Lord Black to further the establishment.

Which whilst he is considered unliked, Hogwarts held its title as best school in Europe under him.

Where as under Dippet and Dumbledore it slipped from that role.

[reef kindle]

very likely the case

[past nacelle]

A bit disturbing really that there was hints of all that, titles and such but no one has pointed that out to Harry, in the books that the Potters should have all of that. I mean, we know the wizarding world makes the assumption that he knows these things but since we're reading from Harry's perspective for alot of the books...geez, when it's put in that light, it really does look like they didn't want him knowing about it or it just wasn't important and let the kid be a kid kind of thing that Dumbledore used quite alot as his reasoning..or excuse, however you see it.

[vivid owl]

Oh yeah the amount hidden from Harry is criminal. He doesn't even learn his grandparents names.

[desert plaza]

Dumbledore is abuse of power personified.

[past nacelle]

Makes me wonder how he'd cope with all that influx of information if it was dumped on him once he graduated from Hogwarts, because that'd mess with anybody's head that he has all of these things, likely lands owned by the Potters, etc along with titles and such...

[vivid owl]

Dumbles wanted someone who'd willing walk to his death, to do that he couldn't really allow Harry to create an environment he'd be upset to have to leave.

[reef kindle]

in fairness, Harry never inquired it either

[vivid owl]

See that always confused me cos whenever the idea of his parents comes up he leaps on it like a hungry wolf, always wanting to know more. Yet he never seems to go digging in his own time.

[reef kindle]

the plot armour weighed him down 😄

but your right, bit one dimensional

[past nacelle]

I put that down to the Dursley's and their 'don't ask questions' thing they had going on. As much as he knows to do the opposite of the Dursley's, it also affected him quite a bit too. I mean, for all his parents being bright, intelligent and some of the best in school - he's an average, mediocre student. That says to me he's either dumbing himself down (Ron's level) or holding back (to not upset Hermione) or...it's just bad habits from his time in muggle school whilst growing up under the Dursley's.

[vivid owl]

Honestly and I don't aim to be mean to the character as I like him, but I blame Ron.

When Harry first comes to Hogwarts he still doesn't realise he's allowed to be smart and inquisitive away from the Dursleys (hence why he's not a Ravenclaw) and by the time he does realise it he's already been dragged into laziness by Ron.

[reef kindle]

the real bummer is, Hermione probably knew 😄

[past nacelle]

I'd believe that.

[vivid owl]

Honestly Harry needed someone to challenge him to be smart to say "No stop dumbing yourself down, you're capable of learning this"

[past nacelle]

Yep, as much as Ron wants to stand out from his family..he's quite the lazy one. Wanting it easy rather than working for it.

[vivid owl]

Sorry we've gone on to modern lore.

[high creek]

Preempted me there.

[reef kindle]

it comes though from same tit..

[high creek]

Don't mind modern lore being discussed but it has to link to the game in some way.

[reef kindle]

the link is the wizarding heritage

[vivid owl]

Was originally trying to say about Blacks we'd see in Hogwarts at the time and their larger family and then it became a discussion about why that never got passed on to Harry.

[past nacelle]

I feel like if Hermione had an inkling of that, she'd likely tell him to stop dumbing himself down because she's that type of person and she's also academically competitive and needs that to help her do better too, because that's a two way street. And yes, we've delved into modern lore..let's get back on track, where was we at?

[reef kindle]

if we could establish something in Harry's time, we could do it in historical term

[reef kindle]

sadly, the lore as we know it is set in the 1980s and 1990s, rolling it back from there a hundred years is no easy feat.

[vivid owl]

Oh yeah right, so Swift made a point in the theory channel about the character being Merlin's descendant possible, and well if interpreting the lore of HP and that the Blacks are noble and have massive political power and wealth (we know they have stupid wealth from Sirius buying a Firebolt whilst on the run) then that might be part of why we're coming to Hogwarts in 5th year.

Say whatever we've survived, Lord Black stands up in the Wizengamot and makes an argument about why therefore we should become a student of Hogwarts under his care.

And then assigning Professor Fig to look after us cos Phineas Nigellus Black is nortoriously bad with children (also another reason for his promotion to headmaster, to make it so he's not directly interacting with them)

So hence the start of the game we are brought to the castle

[reef kindle]

My inkling is that also we are related to Merlin, but I think we are related to someone else at Hogwarts too

[vivid owl]

Bit of a theory in the lore channel, but based off of the lore we have an a particular interpretation of it.

[reef kindle]

yeah, lore and theory though are very much feeding off each other, almost impossible to keep the two strictly separate

[past nacelle]

I think it depends if our character has a canon last name or if it's one they've made up for this particular game/era.

[reef kindle]

canon, hard coded last name has to be the easy way to fit the new story in

[vivid owl]

it would be, but some people would complain about it not being customisable

[reef kindle]

those would complain either way

you cannot please everyone

[vivid owl]

but perhaps if it was a new family that could say be traced straight back to Merlin, then the player could be won over by saying "Well I'm inheriting an illustrious name"

[high creek]

While I get that once the game is out there is going to be a lot more lore to pick apart. For now as long as you mention the game somewhere it's fine.

[vivid owl]

Ah fair fair in that case.

[reef kindle]

thank you Prof 🙂

[vivid owl]

It is a limiter, heck we don't even really know what sort of brooms are available really.

[swift roost]

even more 🤯

[past nacelle]

Well, if it's one thing...the school brooms might be trash because looking at the books, it's a well known fact that the school budget hasn't extended to the school brooms in a long time because those are some dodgy brooms they're using..I mean, Neville's decided to go commit suicide by flying off into the Forbidden Forest..yeesh.

[vivid owl]

Tell a lie, we can have the Oakshaft 79 as it's one that existed at the time.

[reef kindle]

well, at least we know there should be no acromantulas in the forest as their colony was established by Hagrid through Aragog

[vivid owl]

But it isn't a quidditch broom nor very fast

indeed

[reef kindle]

but what else doe we know of that Forbidden Forest?

[past nacelle]

Acromantulas are still in the game though...I mean, we saw a spider get blasted in one of the vids.

[reef kindle]

there are Centaurs, unicorns but what else

[reef kindle]

I really hope Poppy can solo a nest of those, for I will be behind the sofa for that part 😄

[past nacelle]

You was really hoping there'd be no acromantulas until I'd said that, right? xD

[reef kindle]

well, one can dream, but I saw the vids too, so... and it is right that those things exist

[vivid owl]

Acromantulas don't have to be the only giant spiders.

They are from South America right? and until Hagrid got one didn't exist in Britain.

So maybe there was a native form of giant spider around Hogwarts, then when Aragog gets into the forest, the Acromantulas out compete the British giant spiders and drive them extinct in the vicinity of Hogwarts.

[reef kindle]

not entirely the case, acromantulas or rather their eggs were a fine black market commodity for centuries

and there were no spider colony in the forest until Hagrid got a female for Aragog

[vivid owl]

hmm, I mean though look at the size of Aragog, maybe he just ate all the British spiders

[reef kindle]

still hoping for an uber OP Poppy vs wildlife 😄

[vivid owl]

Aragog is a spider and Aragog is my friend, last time I saw Cecil he was this big 👆 ☝️ and I said "Aragog, what have you been doing?" and he said "I've eaten all the other spiders in Hogwarts"

[past nacelle]

Well, maybe Aragog's an exception due to Hagrid taking exceptionally good care of him. I mean, young Aragog back when Hagrid was a student wasn't super huge, yet so...we'll never know.

[vivid owl]

Anyone who's not a British scout is gonna be really confused by that, though even some British scouts may not get that reference.

[reef kindle]

"An Acromantula was a giant magical species of spider native to the rainforests of Southeast Asia, particularly Borneo, where it inhabited dense jungles. Acromantulas were believed to be a wizard-bred species, designed to guard dwellings or treasure hoards, and were first created before the Ban on Experimental Breeding in 1965. These giant spiders had a taste for human flesh and were first spotted in 1794."

that gives us an indication about the catacombs, and all sort of dwellings where we might get one or two(hundred) of these abominations 🙂

[desert plaza]

[reef kindle]

shoo, go away 😄

[desert plaza]

🕷️

[past nacelle]

I'm not concerned with the spiders...it's the inferi that bothers me. Like, why the ever-loving bloody blue hells is there so many inferi roaming around?!

[reef kindle]

anyway, what or whom are the denizens of the Forbidden Forest?

Unicorns, Centaurs, Hipogriffs (maybe), Thestrals and what else?

we should see a much greater numbers of centaurs in the 1890s

maybe giants could roam the place? or trolls?

[past nacelle]

What are those Cthulu-faced beasts? I want one but I don't know what they're called..or if I do, the name escapes me.

[vivid owl]

oh the weird tentacle faced lion thingies

I've no idea

[desert plaza]

[vivid owl]

and I say that as someone who probably knows the lore of the HP world better than Rowling

lol

[reef kindle]

grindylaw?

[vivid owl]

thought a grindylow was an underwater creature, what attacks Fleur in the Black Lake in the tournament

[modest yoke]

Fuzz help me identify this blondy

[reef kindle]

I know her....

she was a magical beast expert, one that Newt looked up to

[modest yoke]

She is related to griffindor somehow i believe

[vivid owl]

This is from the behind the scenes thingy

[modest yoke]

Yes

[modest yoke]

How do you know this ? Links

[reef kindle]

I read it somewhere 😄

[modest yoke]

Hmm i need a name

[reef kindle]

if I get a name, I'll share

[modest yoke]

Ok , you read from a comment or from a wiki ?

[vivid owl]

A really good question is if that document is written in Old English Latin, or is just random letters

if actual text written in the actual writing system used a 1000 years ago then that's more interesting

[modest yoke]

Most likely latin but what bothers me is the rune symbols on the tentacle

[modest yoke]

The masked creature seems to relate to the masked enemy figures we see in the state of game video

[reef kindle]

it is a text, I could make out dragons or dragonkind and a few other words

old Latin

[vivid owl]

there's a section of runes on the second page of it but I don't know if it's Futhorc, or Futhark at a glance (most likely Futhark cos people forget that Britain had its own runic system until around 1100 CE when the Old English Latin Alphabet became the truly dominant writing system.

[modest yoke]

There is also a chalice with a drop of blood 🩸

Either offered to the blondy or the blondy kills the creature with the cup

[past nacelle]

Yeah, this is for sure going to be my most go-to channel because these types of conversations are deeply interesting. I'm just sat here like Ooh, cool. Ah, neat. xD

[vivid owl]

I'm going to try translating it letter by letter as Futhorc runes first cos British. But the problem is runes also have individual meanings as entire words or sometimes phrases with the use of a single rune.

[reef kindle]

I have trouble understanding the very first line, it seems to me it repeats 4 or 5 times the same word, likely individually carrying a different meaning

[past nacelle]

Having played AC: Valhalla and the AC: Valhalla - Discovery, that's very true. I always thought runes used to be meaning one word or a specific set of words. Turns out, it can be whole phrases as in, verse or a few lines in regards to someone or something. That's legitimately interesting and I would absolutely love to learn a Runic alphabet, if I had the time or the patience for it.

[modest yoke]

Well the background of the blondy has a tree

It is the same tree as this concept art piece

What is notable in this pic is the dead skeleton and the creature

I think the elder wand’core is made from a fiber of this creature

If it is true then it correlates in time with the deathly hollows

Also the blondy seems to somehow have the same colors in the background as the griffindor common rooms

[past nacelle]

Wouldn't surprise me to see it as a wall mural of something in the Gryffindor common room.

[vivid owl]

so we have an X at the beginning which is a G, but also has the meaning of "gift"

the next rune looks to be a upside down F type thing which is a reversed æ which doesn't have meaning like that but as a normal æ it'd mean "Ash tree."

Then we have a M like thing but the top of it being a sideways x, this makes an M which has the meaning of "Man"

The next I think is a reversed F the opening letter of all the Runic systems. In the British system it also means "Wealth" or "Cattle" (gonna assume it's the first)

then we have a reverse C type thing which could be a ᛈ but backwards. If so then it'd be a P but the meaning isn't known from what I can find.

Then we have an I which is simply an i with the meaning of "Ice"

Lastly we have an ᛝ which is an ing sound, which might have a meaning related to Freyr the Norse god.

So putting all of that together I'd assume it's potential meaning is about a gift to man from the gods

potentially

also sorry that took so long

[past nacelle]

Okay, that's impressive. Are you sure you're not a Ravenclaw? xD

[modest yoke]

Ash trees are suitable for wand making

[vivid owl]

I test Ravenclaw but I'm personally really ambitious (just suffer from mental health problems which stop me from putting my knowledge to use) so I prefer Slytherin

[modest yoke]

When the direction manager in the vid talks just before she throws this concept art she talks about ancient magick

Thus the pic is most likely a historic depicting art

The first wandmakers we know were druids before wizards came

Did druids use runes ?

[vivid owl]

whilst ash trees are suitable for wand making, as it's an upside down and reversed rune

err no

so before the Romans ancient Britons used some form of writing system, but it is unknown

[past nacelle]

And given druids (depending on the variation) either worship the Celtic pantheon of gods or old magic so...that's interesting.

[vivid owl]

the only potential example of Common Brythonic (the language spoken by British people after the Romans left until around 500CE when the Anglo-Saxons turned up) is written in Latin but using characters that make no sense.

Before the Romans turned up, we've got nothing

[tropic jewel]

my theory is that it damages/harms the soul. Or in a more extreme way, maybe it set someone's death into that point of time. If in regards to time, it would likely prevent any attempt to circumvent the death. In short if you are killed by the killing curse, nothing (except ancient magic i assume) could prevent or ward it

[past nacelle]

That's us Brits, secretive until someone comes poking us with a sharp pointy object. xD

[vivid owl]

Whilst the Romans were here though we've got one hell of a lot of material. I went to Vindolanda at Hadrian's Wall a couple of years ago and they have one of the most extensive archives of Roman writing anywhere.

[past nacelle]

That must've been a hell of a read.

[modest yoke]

This seems to reinforce the fact that the blondy must be some part of lore related to druids since this looks like stonehedge

[vivid owl]

The stuff they had on display and translated was interesting but also shows you just how much life hasn't changed, it was a mixture of letters between people explaining how things have been and a range of other stuff like shopping lists or what have you.

people write down a range of things

I always like that one of the oldest pieces of translated writing anywhere is basically a catalogue of complaints to a shopkeeper about him selling substandard wares.

[vivid owl]

Also yes potentially. The really ancient societies of Britain were fond of their circles and spirals.

[past nacelle]

Yeah, also really fond of scaring the ever-loving crap out of invaders, too.

[modest yoke]

Do we have any lore by Jk rowlling making a reference to druid magic or history of magic at the time of druids ?

Ok i think i am onto something

[past nacelle]

I'd love a movie or a game based in the Wizarding World that takes place back when Hogwarts was being founded, by the big 4 or even further back, when there must've been more than just wand waving wizards.

[vivid owl]

Not really beyond the Romans making wands and it rapidly spreading throughout Europe and becoming the main means of spell casting

[modest yoke]

Fuzzpot mentioned secret societies

[vivid owl]

did I?

[vivid owl]

when?

[modest yoke]

Look at the hooded figure of an enemy to the right

[modest yoke]

Here

[vivid owl]

Oh wasn't meaning secret, just the old tribes and peoples of Britain

[modest yoke]

And guess what kind of spell the character performs on the hooded figure

That same stuff of a spell that the gameplay video declared as secret ancient lost magic your teachers dont understand

Maybe this scene is from endgame

[vivid owl]

he performs a lighting type thing that looks kind of like an icy tree maybe

[past nacelle]

Looks like someone called down Zeus' thunderbolt or something.. xD

[vivid owl]

to ring it back to my probably botched translation from earlier

[modest yoke]

Where you infiltrate and learn ancient magic from a secret society who hold information on the blondy

[vivid owl]

maybe the "ash tree" rune is upside down become it is coming down from above

[past nacelle]

That'd support the idea that it was taken or gifted by the Gods.

[vivid owl]

after all lighting does have a tree like appearance at times, and so perhaps it is a gift to be able to call down lighting or "the ice tree of the gods"

though I'm spitballing into #🧠theories here

But hey we're using the lore given to us

[modest yoke]

I think you are on a correct path with your first translation about a gift to man from above

[vivid owl]

hey if I am in any way correct then I will take it

I literally have the wiki tab for the Anglo Saxon runes open and it has all the symbols and there known translations and meanings

so I just opened the picture as a new tab and put it next to it and hot-swapped between them and Discord to write it down

[modest yoke]

I think i might have made some progress

[past nacelle]

Could it be a reference to Yggdrasil, the world tree? I mean, from what I recall - that tree got around quite a bit. Wouldn't surprise me if said ash tree used to be part of the world tree. I mean, it makes sense in a certain way. If you're going to gift mankind something to use with wands, a tree descended from Yggdrasil would be one of those, methinks.

[modest yoke]

An Animagus with the ability to turn into a sea bird, she was aided by three magical birds that cured the sick by singing them to sleep. It was also said that she could turn into a wave. She also discovered the properties of Moondew. Cliodne appeared on a Chocolate Frog Card.[1][2][3]

With the ability to turn into a sea bird

[past nacelle]

Is that the same woman in Irish myth who's a banshee queen? Or is that someone else entirely? Because from what I've seen in JK's Wizarding World, it's somewhat acknowledged that old myths and legends have a grain of truth to them and some who were acknowledged as gods/goddesses were actually wizards and witches, either on a power trip or seen doing something by muggle eyes.

[modest yoke]

Is this a sea bird ?

[vivid owl]

Well the last page of the document has 2 peacock like things. But then there's also the gryffin and the weird 3 headed bird thing on the right in the first picture you linked.

[past nacelle]

Also, given the way the fingers are drawn...that looks a bit ominous to me.

[vivid owl]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[past nacelle]

Also, she's covering her face so...inbefore banshee transformation.

[modest yoke]

Omg yes

[vivid owl]

Doesn't have to be a seabird if it's one of the ones aiding her.

As for the Irish myth connection, looked it up and yep that matches

[modest yoke]

Same colors as her cloak

[vivid owl]

How did I not spot the 3 birds in the tree first time round?

lol

Okay so yes that's her.

[modest yoke]

She is given a wand in the pic

Druids were the first wand makers

[vivid owl]

So then assuming that she is a healer but eventually became a banshee, then perhaps what happened is that say Merlin was cursed, she healed him by taking the curse onto herself, but Merlin and his line are left with a minor part of it that lingers as an ability to interact with a particular type of magic.

So it is considered a gift from the gods.

Though it depends on when she was meant to live in the HP universe

[past nacelle]

Yeah, especially since initially, people assumed Merlin lived before the founders but then it came out that he was a student of the founders who presumably, went on to be the Merlin of legend we all know.

So, time and wibbly wobbly stuff.

[tacit jay]

Woah lore?

[modest yoke]

Very nice

[vivid owl]

Yeah, lore and how it plays into HL

so currently we're trying to use the available lore to figure out how the player character got that ability

[past nacelle]

So, could possibly assume most Arthurian myths and legends in the Wizarding World takes place at the same time as most Irish myths and legends, if that is true.

[vivid owl]

I think certainly from the iconography and my naff translation that it's a bloodline trait for certain.

[vivid owl]

Like the Blacks and being a metamorph.

[modest yoke]

This is from a real life book which connects jk rowlings inspirations to celtic real myths

https://ksbarton.com/celtic-mythology-in-the-harry-potter-world/

[bold roost]

guys here is a lore dumbelldoor is actually a bird and not human because he can fly with the fire bird

[bold roost]

yep see bird ⬆️

[modest yoke]

The cup with the drop of blood

[past nacelle]

Hm...I'm not quite seeing the Banshee Queen part there but maybe that's a different woman by the same or similar name. Gods know plenty of myths and legends have similar naming or their tales have been warped over time.

Actually...scratch that - it could still be. I've just pulled up what the wiki says about the Banshee Queen.

In Irish mythology, Clíodhna (Clídna, Clionadh, Clíodna, Clíona, transliterated to Cleena[dubious – discuss] in English) is a Queen of the Banshees of the Tuatha Dé Danann. Clíodna of Carrigcleena is the potent banshee that rules as queen over the sidheog (fairy women of the hills) of South Munster, or Desmond.

In some Irish myths, Clíodhna is a goddess of love and beauty, and the patron of County Cork. She is said to have three brightly coloured birds who eat apples from an otherworldly tree and whose sweet song heals the sick people. She leaves the otherworldly island of Tír Tairngire ("the land of promise") to be with her mortal lover, Ciabhán, but is taken by a wave as she sleeps due to the music played by a minstrel of Manannan mac Lir in Glandore harbour in County Cork: the tide there is known as Tonn Chlíodhna, "Clíodhna's Wave". Whether she drowns or not depends on the version being told, along with many other details of the story.

[tropic jewel]

My instant reaction to hearing banshee queen was war flashbacks to WoW

[modest yoke]

I think we got it right on all fronts

[vivid owl]

Oh wait, I missed a section of runes along a lower tentacle which I think are:

ᛚ for L meaning "Body of Water" or "Lake"

And unidentifiable one. Looks like a line with a backwards flick but I can't see that in the Futhorc system.

ᛖ which is an E and has a meaning of "steed"

ᚱ which is an R and has the meaning of "riding"

[past nacelle]

So, possibly this is the one and the same Clíodhna that we're all thinking of. Well, hell..that's a story and a half.

[modest yoke]

Body of water , lake the story matches

Tentacles water

[vivid owl]

Name one lake we know a giant squid lives in

[past nacelle]

Wouldn't surprise me if she was still around during Harry's time, or HL's era. I mean, depending on the version aren't Banshees supposed to be immortal or at the very least, extremely long lived to the point they may well be immortal.

[modest yoke]

Fk

The great lake

[vivid owl]

So perhaps Cliodhna came to Hogwarts across the Black Lake riding the Giant Squid like a steed to save a student (Merlin) and in doing so gifted him and his bloodline with the ability to access ancient magic that may have something to do with the gods.

[reef kindle]

Clíodhna is indeed the one I was thinking earlier on... for the life of me I couldn't remember her name

[past nacelle]

My memory might be a bit faulty but I'm pretty sure it was mentioned in passing in one of the HP books about someone dealing with a Banshee, somewhere. (And no, I don't count Lockhart - the fop) So, we know Banshees exist in JK's lore.

[vivid owl]

Research Peoples!

[modest yoke]

J. K. Rowling once joked that the Squid is Godric Gryffindor, one of the four founders of Hogwarts. This would make it the world's largest Animagus. On the eleventh hour of every evening, the Squid would rise from the lake and transform into Gryffindor, who would wander the school grounds before returning at sunrise. She was unexpectedly taken seriously by many fans, before she was forced to clarify this was actually a joke.

Maybe this is why is is depicted in griffindor colored background

[vivid owl]

If any of this gets paid off in the game then honestly we all deserve a clap on the back for this.

[past nacelle]

So many theories and lore going around here, it's actually fun to talk about stuff like this. xD

[modest yoke]

We deserve a dinner with JK if we found this

[tropic jewel]

i'm a huge lore fiend

so this is the best

[past nacelle]

Same, I'm quite a loremaster in most things that grab my attention. I'll devour any and all knowledge, like a true Ravenclaw. xD

[modest yoke]

Omg i made one more connection

The tentacles in concept art are red

[vivid owl]

Honestly despite the limit of actual lore before the 1900s in the HP universe, we've done quite well at connecting what we have

[reef kindle]

@tropic jewel I liked your theory on the killing curse, something like that is the most plausible for me too 🙂

[tropic jewel]

thanks lahros!

[past nacelle]

If Clíodhna ends up making an appearance in HL, I'm going to shave my beard off..entirely.

[tropic jewel]

It's something I thought on and off over the years on why it was so despicable when anything could be used to torture, or kill, or control people theoretically

[reef kindle]

Merlin's beard, don't do that! 😄

[vivid owl]

I doubt she will, but she may be tied into the story of Merlin within the game and using existing lore we may have just figured out how.

and I am going to put a major underling on the "May have" and not have actually

[modest yoke]

How did you connect cliodna with merlin ?

[reef kindle]

and what if we are a Le Fay spawn? That would also tie us to Merlin's magic and ancient, primal magic too

Cliodhna is the Lady of the Lake, that bequeaths Excalibur to Merlin

[tropic jewel]

could actually double down on that. Magical eugenics in the form of our parents came from Le Fay and Merlin (one each). Perhaps a magical treaty or branch members that wanted to bury bad blood

[past nacelle]

Well..I believe I mentioned that initially people believed Merlin to have existed before the Founders but were proven otherwise when it was said Merlin was a student at Hogwarts, who presumably went on to become the Merlin we know of Arthurian legend meaning it's quite possible that Irish/Celtic, whatever you want to call it, myths and legends possibly took place about the same time so...it's not too far off to say perhaps Clíodhna was the lady of the lake, but it's also possible she was the Banshee Queen in death, when in life she was a well known witch who was a healer among other things. Honestly, we all went around on this but that about sums it up.

[modest yoke]

Oh she is the lady of the lake ? I only knew her as the lade of the lake since i am not from england

[vivid owl]

So it started with Swift in #🧠theories saying that she thought the player character is a descendant of Merlin, then use talking about ancestry then us getting onto the player and ancient magic, then someone brought up Cliodhna asking us to figure out who she was, then I sort of but probably not that accurately translated the runes, and so tying it back into the player character.

If Merlin is our ancestor then it's possible that Cliodhna saved him and gave him the bloodline trait to connect to ancient magic which leads to the player character in the game being able to wield it.

There are a lot of "ifs" and what have you there though

[past nacelle]

I think I was the one who clipped onto the Banshee Queen bit, because I knew that name sounded familiar.

[vivid owl]

but following the assumptions, it is possible

[reef kindle]

in the Irish Myths there is a revelation that she could be the Arthurian Lady of the Lake, also, the Arthus Myth is Welsh/Cornish by origin

[modest yoke]

At some point in his life, Merlin studied the five secret rooms at Hogwarts that would one day come to be known as the fabled Cursed Vaults and obtained an understanding of not only the purpose for their existence, but also the ancient magic surrounding them. Later on in his life, a portrait was painted by him, which he educated to speak and act like himself, and taught about the vaults so that once hung at Hogwarts, it could advise future residents about them, although its warnings were too cryptic to be of much help to find the vaults and breaking the curses.[6]

[tropic jewel]

ancient magic also could have been studied back during the founder's era but it was dubbed to be too unstable/unsafe

[modest yoke]

“Ancient magic surrounding them”

[past nacelle]

@vivid owl If this was a lore video, we'd all be sat around a round table taking turns talking about this..that's how I'm seeing this conversation in my head. xD

[tropic jewel]

i think i remember from hogwarts mystery merlin's painting tell the pc that what was happening was all their fault because they forgot ancient magic...or something similar

[vivid owl]

As much as the cursed vaults storyline of Hogwarts Mystery is kind of blegh, it is again described as "Ancient Magic" and if Merlin investigated them and he was a student within the first hundred years of the school, then it means they were either built during the schools founding or even before.

[past nacelle]

Wouldn't put it past the big 4 to build Hogwarts over the Cursed Vaults to hide them from unseemly people.

[tropic jewel]

so ancient magic was likely taught at hogwarts for the first century or so

[vivid owl]

Potentially

But what is "ancient magic"

the term is incredibly nebulous

[past nacelle]

I'm thinking 'magic influenced by the gods' or something similar.

[vivid owl]

to some degree Lily's sacrifice is considered "ancient magic"

[reef kindle]

Hogwarts is a fortress of ancient magic. The words of the story director of HL... make of it what you will

[tropic jewel]

I'm thinking more magic influenced by the gods or concepts. Or the raw natural power of the world (neither good or evil)

[vivid owl]

potentially that last one

[past nacelle]

That makes sense. Magic at it's heart is not good or evil, it just exists.

[tropic jewel]

primal, little understood, ever-present energy

[reef kindle]

I think that primal magic flows unabated by nature, the 4 founders sought to harness the immense power of such currents and thus they chose to erect a fortress and quasi trap the current.

[past nacelle]

In that regard, it's like the Force- Oh, don't tell me we're the Wizarding World equivalent of Rey and magic is seeking a balance.. I don't need that!

[tropic jewel]

i tend to see witches and wizards as using more internal magic to shape the world around them or affect it. With varying lengths of duration of effect. Whereas ancient magic would likely be external forces/energy that affects everything internal and external

[reef kindle]

this is just another understanding of the rather vague circumstances of how Hogwarts was founded///

[tropic jewel]

it is harder to channel something not a part of them

[vivid owl]

If a HP Legacy lore video gets done using our work then I'm not going to complain as it'd get the idea out there. I'd just like whichever big youtuber does it to credit me please. Especially if anything comes of it. Though I doubt that.

[tropic jewel]

I always felt the department of mysteries was tied to ancient magic just based on some of what was studied

[past nacelle]

My credit wouldn't be very big. It'd just be the credit to the connection of Clíodhna being the Banshee Queen as well as what she was in life. You did the majority of the work, you deserve majority credit!

[vivid owl]

This I think could be it. The lore on this is fairly nebulous but I'd assume that most wixen use magic that comes from them, their own magical core. But perhaps we have the ability to tap into the world's natural ancient magic that's always existed.

[past nacelle]

That'd explain the massive smiting thunderbolt of the ages coming down to vaporize the dark wizard in the video.

[vivid owl]

well lightning is a natural force

[past nacelle]

Mostly because there's no real wand movement other than thrusting your wand into the air and pulling it down, which the lightning follows.

[tropic jewel]

we use the wand as a channeling/lightning rod

[past nacelle]

Exactly, no wand motions needed - it channel it and direct it and down comes a thunderbolt to make Zeus and Thor envious.

[tropic jewel]

Also, for the person who was looking for the tentacle mouthed rhino colored beast...that is a Graphorn

[modest yoke]

I say if we are correct we should ask from now a dinner with Jk Rowlling

[past nacelle]

THANK YOU!

[tropic jewel]

https://harrypotter.fandom.com/wiki/Graphorn

[past nacelle]

I'd settle for a unique title in the discord, that'd be it. xD

[reef kindle]

bingo... couldn't figure that either form his description 😄

[tropic jewel]

you are very welcome

[past nacelle]

Although, the Graphorn's picture makes them look far more ominous looking than the HL's version. Far more tentacles and spikes.

[reef kindle]

well we didn't see one angry per say... 😄

[tropic jewel]

there is a real life creature called a graphorn named after the wizarding creature. it is a shield bug found in argentina and paraguay

[past nacelle]

Could also be that location varies the look. Like, for example - the difference between a Siberian Tiger and a Bengal Tiger. Differences, but it's still essentially the same beast.

[tropic jewel]

could also be that you saved the beasties and they are chill with you

they were ridden by mountain trolls as well

[reef kindle]

I know that, it goes if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it is a liger... 😄

[past nacelle]

xD

[reef kindle]

yeah, my brain has clocked out and stopped working altogether...

[vivid owl]

worked too hard and just given up

poofed

there goes all my energy for the night

lol

[reef kindle]

😄

[tropic jewel]

did you try to turn it off then back on again

[vivid owl]

lol

I just summarised our thoughts to a friend of mine. which actually wrote out a lot easier.

[tropic jewel]

blessed friends

I know how it sounds with fellow lore nuts bouncing ideas around

[past nacelle]

We was all over the place, yeah.

[tropic jewel]

just bouncing around and putting sticky notes on every surface

then connecting the dots while raving

we need a semi-normal person to translate our ramblings

[vivid owl]

yeah, she loves HP but isn't a fan of Rowling so is always unsure of whether to support new stuff, so is currently experiencing HP Legacy through me going "Here's this info about it,"

[past nacelle]

I'm sure the mods and others silently watching were having fun at us connecting dots and going "You haven't connected shi-!" xD

[reef kindle]

and I was doodling all over the flip side of your notes... still can't draw a stickman...

[vivid owl]

Pretty sure I've probably bored her ears off talking about HP lore for the past 3 months whilst writing my fan fic.

[tropic jewel]

Tea stain makes a shape vaguely like a rune
"It's all connected!"

[vivid owl]

You know what, I'll copy the summary into #🧠theories as I think it needs sharing without having to require the lore dump behind it all.

[tropic jewel]

yeah, i don't have that many irl or online HP lore fanatics so it's hard for me to geek out

[reef kindle]

so I see that your thinking cap is also made of tinfoil

[past nacelle]

Reminds me of that My Hero Academia meme where Todoroki claims to have connected something and Midoriya going "No, you haven't connected shi-!" I laugh, every time I see that.

Exactly, because it's what I'm like when I'm going on a lore tangent and researching. xD

[tropic jewel]

I'm neither confirming nor denying my witch's hat being insulated with the finest tin foil

[reef kindle]

it is damned useful on a rainy day, I can tell you... even though I wouldn't go out on a rainy day 😄

[past nacelle]

Can confirm that, living in England and it rains alot here. Nobody wants to go out there but needs must. xD

[reef kindle]

I live North of the Border, it rains more here 😛

[past nacelle]

I pity you, I do.

[reef kindle]

yeah 😄 me too 😄

my favourite quote from the member berries: 'member Chewbacca again?

[vivid owl]

Summary of work posted

[reef kindle]

brilliant sum up

[vivid owl]

Honestly I'm surprised I managed to explain it in that short an amount of words considering that was as I said some 2 hours or so of research from like 5 people

[tropic jewel]

it was really good

[modest yoke]

🔥

[jovial pollen]

hi

[low roost]

well this is new

[wind warren]

hi

[low roost]

hi

[wind warren]

hi

so… were dumbledore and mcgonagall in the same class? how far apart agewise are they

i dont think shes as old

[vivid owl]

McGonagall was meant to be born in 1938 so she'd start at Hogwarts in 1949, 4 years after Dumbledore's duel with Grindelwald and Riddle graduating from Hogwarts.

Meaning she's about 47 years younger than Dumbledore.

Though if the game has multiple in game school years, then come the 1892-93 school year then we'd see a young Albus Dumbledore enter the school and be sorted into Gryffindor

[merry ruin]

Already brought this up before

Just saying it would be cool to see him as a cameo for the final year

[past nacelle]

If we even do it by years or if the game takes place in one entire year. Although, year 6 and 7 could be sequel games or expansions for the game, who knows. So many things we don't actually know at this point.

[vivid owl]

Well if doing a Gryffindor playthrough you could potentially be guiding him to lessons as a Gryffindor prefect.

I don't think years 6 and 7 should be sequels, but certainly expansions.

Though if the game does well then people are going to want a sequel or the like

[merry ruin]

Nah I just want to beat him up

[past nacelle]

They'd need to be story-worthy expansions, much like the Witcher 3's expansions did because let's be real - Witcher 3 has some of the best storytelling in recent history, for gaming.

[merry ruin]

GTA 5 style

[wind warren]

holy christ

[past nacelle]

She went to school about the same time as Riddle, yeah.

[wind warren]

daaamn

[vivid owl]

That is ignoring Fantastic Beasts Crimes of Grindelwald randomly putting her in 1929 as a teacher.

[past nacelle]

Let's ignore that, that feels like a movie goof.

[wind warren]

could be her mom or smthn

[merry ruin]

True

Anyway they better add dumbledore so I can beat his ass

[vivid owl]

I think it was her father who was meant to be the magical in her parents relationship though

[wind warren]

hm, mother witch in secret? 😂

[past nacelle]

Personally, I chalk it up to movie goof and they didn't triple-check their facts.

[vivid owl]

I assumed it her mother when I watched the film, but yeah it seems they just didn't fact check and follow the already existing information about her character

[wind warren]

am looking at this link guys, can u check this

https://www.mugglenet.com/2021/06/a-young-minerva-mcgonagall-in-crimes-of-grindelwald-doesnt-break-canon/

[vivid owl]

Professor Sprout is only a meant to be 3 years younger than McGonagall and started Hogwarts in 1952

Just one of the problems with Grimes of Grindelwald

like Dumbledore teaching Defence when he was the transfiguration teacher

what did Professor Merrythought take a break?

I mean potentially if she had a kid

but who knows

[past nacelle]

It's possible he was a sub-teacher for a little while, maybe but honestly, it's like they were just going let's do this - because it's cool and it's fanservice to put a beloved character in the movie! Facepalm!

[wind warren]

😂holding out for a reason for these things to exist

[past nacelle]

I call it as I see it. They were being dumb and didn't fact check, like they should've.

[vivid owl]

Best defence teacher was Patricia Rakepick from Hogwarts Mystery, lol.

But seriously look at her character design, woman got style.

[merry ruin]

💀

Didn’t she kill a student

[vivid owl]

yep

and tortured another

[merry ruin]

Put them 6 feet under

Rip

[vivid owl]

not that much new there actually

[past nacelle]

Wonder what the DADA teacher in HL is going to be like..knowing Hogwarts' track record with Defense teachers...

[merry ruin]

That began with Tom

[vivid owl]

good actually at this point in time

[merry ruin]

So it should be good

[wind warren]

is hogwarts mystery canon…?

[vivid owl]

yeah the curse on the position started after Tom got rejected after Merrythought retired after 35 years in the job

[merry ruin]

No

[wind warren]

lol

[vivid owl]

I honestly don't know. It seems some of it is, but some of it isn't

[past nacelle]

I'd say it's a mixed bag.

[vivid owl]

Like some of the characters have been added to the list as a "They were definitely at Hogwarts at this time"

but other stuff is a bit questionable

[merry ruin]

Explain

[vivid owl]

Mostly player choice actions throughout the story of the game

[merry ruin]

True

[vivid owl]

like it seems the overall story is set, but if the player picks certain people to accompony them well that's on them and so their choice is both canon but not as "no one actually knows what happened" cos reasons.

[dry coral]

Did you just look these runes up or do you know them?

[vivid owl]

Looked them up in the sense that I've had a tab with them open for a few months now.

[dry coral]

Ok interesting. Could I maybe have a link to them?

[vivid owl]

But I would in the future potentially like to actually learn to properly read runes and the like

yeah, I'm just really using the wiki page

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-Saxon_runes

[dry coral]

Actually the reason why I asked you about it. I probably want to do the same

[vivid owl]

This is the Futhorc system not Futhark, so it's the British ones not the Norse ones

but it doesn't take much to find info on the Norse ones from there

the nice thing is the page offers a translation of what letter the rune translates into and what meaning the rune carries

it's a good little resource actually

[drifting solar]

fuzzpot lore queen

[vivid owl]

The runes may not have been Futhorc and therefore my translation may have been wrong, but I'm basing it off the fact that the game is set in Britain and therefore should use British runes

[dry coral]

Yeah I just found it thank you so much for the link

[vivid owl]

and yes I am a lore nerd, a proper archivist, expanding his knowledge with any material I can get my hands on as long as it interests me

the thing I like about the runic system and the Old English Latin Alphabet is the letters which are sounds basically

[dry coral]

Interesting.

[vivid owl]

so I showed on earlier which was ᛝ was "ing" and is probably related to the god Freyr one of the Vanir and the twin brother of Freyja, as he was sometimes referred to as Yngvi-Freyr and who's name became meant "Lord" in Old Norse apparently.

but still an "ing" sound as a single letter

just so useful

the most famous example for English is the Thorn

ᚦ

which is a "th" sound

weirdly as we moved to copy more from the French Latin alphabet, this would later become represented by the letter Y

so when you see a pub with "ye" at the beginning, it's pronounced "the"

an example being the old pub in Nottingham Ye Olde Trip to Jerusalem

which is around 900 years old

Do I probably go too deep with all of this, without a doubt yes

but it's kind of fun

Though I think I'm going to leave off and go to sleep for now

it's almost 7am

so bed time

[dry coral]

BST?

[reef kindle]

yeah, we are 🙂

[dry coral]

I thought so. CEST for me so i just got to school when that message was sent (7:53 am)

[violet tangle]

Still a bit crazy how Tom got away with cursing the position, I mean they do have curse breakers that could have break the curse.

[hushed nest]

what are your guys' bets and reasoning to who the headmaster will be?

[modern moth]

Dumbledors dad maybe?

[reef kindle]

the time period supports Phineas Nigellus Black as Headmaster

[wide nebula]

Vernon Dursley

[hushed nest]

it would sure be interesting to have a opposite dumbledoor-- in that case i wonder who'd be our old mentor?

[hushed nest]

brb grabbing my stonewall uniform.

[wide nebula]

Wow Harry, that fall looked pretty bad. I'm glad you're alright. Wizarding world? Expecto patronum? What are you talking about? I need to go to work and make drills.

[reef kindle]

Professor Fig is the one, who tutors the player, that was matter of fact stated in the State of Play video

[hushed nest]

hm, i wonder what role he'll play in the story.

seems like he has a bone to pick with goblins.

[reef kindle]

#🧠theories borderline assumption, but he might be the Transfiguration professor

[hushed nest]

oh, i'm sorry.

[reef kindle]

nah, no need to apologise, since we know precious little about the state of things in the 1890s, we have to fill in certain blanks somehow 😅

[modern moth]

yeah go back to grunnings, muggle

[hushed nest]

those blanks are fun to try to fill in, though. 👀

[reef kindle]

yes, they are, we had a pretty strange night and were researching what we know about Merlin and we found evidence thanks to @vivid owl that the Irish mythological character Clíodhna and the Lady of the Lake from the Welsh Arthurian legend might be a Harry Potter character linked to the giant squid from the Black Lake. We based our finding from the translation of the runes found in images published at the behind the scenes video. If we are right, this is not only a theory but wizarding history.

[hushed nest]

oh wow! that'd be interesting-- linking real world folk lore to the wizarding world.

[reef kindle]

JK Rowling often did

[hushed nest]

yeaaaah, sometimes with mixed results.

[reef kindle]

in case I fudged my recollection, in our thinking Clíodhna is the same person who gave Merlin Excalibur in the Welsh legend as Lady of the Lake, which would make her connected to the giant squid living in the Black Lake by Hogwarts Castle

it was a long night 😅

[hushed nest]

dang, you guys are insane!

[vivid owl]

Was pinged

[reef kindle]

yeah, was giving you credit for your hard work last night, welcome back 🙂

[high creek]

That was an amazing conversation, exactly why we wanted this channel to exist. You guys are great keep it up.

[vivid owl]

danke I guess

[last coral]

I hope the head of Slytherin is the charms teacher.

[hushed nest]

heheh yeah! he reminds me of my biology professor in all his awkward charm.

[vivid owl]

Reminds me more of a maths teacher I had personally

It's going to be interesting to see who are even the teachers at this point as we basically have no information on that

[reef kindle]

we may know only one by name (Prof Binns, History) but I think we've met the core already

[high creek]

Figg is a professor but we don't know of what.

[vivid owl]

Well Binns has been the history professor since the 1700s it seems

[reef kindle]

DADA is the witch that puts the Sorting Hat on our head, the Charms has the quirky, fez wearing, mid-eastern accented, Slytherin cloaked fellow

the broody potions prof is also a fix

[high creek]

Defense against the dark arts looks to be an older woman.

[reef kindle]

so, Figs I think is the Transfigurations prof

[high creek]

That's a good guess.

[reef kindle]

and the herbology prof is the heartthrob of her age 😄

[vivid owl]

actually if he died in the 1700s then that explains his obsession with Goblin Rebellions as there were 3 in 1700s, so he would have lived through them

[reef kindle]

good point

[vivid owl]

Like Aurora Sinistra is for Harry's period, lol.

[reef kindle]

Completely forgot her 😄

[vivid owl]

I had originally thought it might be Galatea Merrythought but she's appears too old in what we see of the game to then continue to hold the position until 1945.

[hushed nest]

i wonder who'll be our hagrid. 👀

i have a feeling our headmaster won't be as benevolent as dumbledoor.

[high creek]

There is a possibilty it's a centaur, I saw some people talking about it.

[hushed nest]

really? i thought it was controversial when dumbledoor hired one so i can't imagine it'd be any less controversial a century in the past.

[reef kindle]

that seems unlikely to me, the centaurs are very much looked down as beasts at this age

[high creek]

It is unlikely but I like the idea anyway.

[reef kindle]

oh I'd love that, the idea is great 🙂

[high creek]

I think there is one shot in the showcase which shows a centaur on the Hogwarts grounds which is where the idea cam from but as you mention it is a tad lore breaking.

[reef kindle]

I wanted to make friends with the many Centaurs of the Forest on my, well second day, for sure as hell I won't find my way out of the castle in my first 😄

[vivid owl]

It'd only be about 80 years since Minister Gamp created the definitions of "Being, Beast, and Creature."

So whilst Centaurs may see some improved relations, they'd still be looked down upon.

[high creek]

It depends how important that job is seen as being.

[hushed nest]

yeaaah, yeesh. the whole "being" definition sure is a load of spoiled beans.

[vivid owl]

I guess, groundskeeper and keeper of keys are mostly extra positions

[reef kindle]

that latter may have been Dumbledore's attempt to rehabilitate Hagrid

[hushed nest]

do you guys think sometime in the 21st century they'd abolish the whole "beings" nonsense?

[vivid owl]

Tell you what's an extra position I'd love to go bother and annoy in the game. Head of Witchcraft Provisions. Who is the person who writes out the lists of what students need for the upcoming year and sends those letters out attached to results or invitation letters.

[reef kindle]

not sure, depends how radical Shacklebolt was before Minister Granger took over

[hushed nest]

wait... GRANGER?

[vivid owl]

In Harry's time the position is held by Lucinda Thompson-Pockle (I think I've misspelt the last part of that name)

[vivid owl]

Yuppers, Cursed Child lore that do be, but she became Minister for Magic

[reef kindle]

Lucinda Thomsonicle-Pocus, close enough

[hushed nest]

well damn.

[vivid owl]

Dammit.

But yeah there's a thought that said position might actually also be the finance position for Hogwarts and they authorise spending from Hogwarts money reserves to actually buy equipment.

[reef kindle]

The occupant of this position might work at the Ministry of Magic Remittance Office. -from potter wiki

[vivid owl]

So the board of governors or the headmaster or the teachers will say "We want this," and the Head of Witchcraft Positions sighs, looks at how much it costs and how much budget they have and then either pays for it or says no.

[reef kindle]

do we know when Hogwarts opted to the governors' body as a format of governance?

[vivid owl]

I am unsure

[reef kindle]

you were getting somewhere last night about the Black family, and how it was good politics to name Phineas Nigellus Black as headmaster

it would be exciting to have a political lobby side of things

[hushed nest]

i've heard a witch also suggested to be headmaster but no offence black seems more interesting because we already are familiar with him-- and him being a total doink could make for a interesting dynamic with the player character. XD

[reef kindle]

I'm not sure if Sirius with his tangible loathing of his family is the most trustworthy source on P N Black

[hushed nest]

headmaster black when the player character tries to ask or warn him about anything:

[vivid owl]

The witch who could be Headmistress is Eupraxia Mole who was headmistress in 1870 when Peeves shut the school down for 3 days and she bargained with him buy buying him that hat he wears.

[vivid owl]

Lol, so true.