lore

[tiny flower]

That’s the point I have been trying to make with a few people…

[upper cliff]

Avada…………

[tiny flower]

That’s our job!

[upper cliff]

Avada kedavra

[tiny flower]

He said the thing!

[upper cliff]

Crucio

[mint warren]

So this goes into their astrological element as well. Water is seen as an element of emotion and empathy. Water signs are typically going to be more in touch with their own emotions and the emotions of others, allowing them more easily read the room and plan things out logically with emotions in mind.

[upper cliff]

Imperio

[tiny flower]

English please

[mint warren]

Slytherins astrological element is water, which means they're good with emotions and adaptable.

[boreal shuttle]

James was a bully but there's simply nothing in canon that suggests that he was worse, or even remotely as nasty as someone like Draco.

He even saved Snape's life despite their history when Sirius tried sending him to Remus on a full moon - which has to be in the top 5 of dumb decisions made by teenagers in the series.

[tiny flower]

Why do I find endless contradictions with Harry Potter lore lol

I must say too, Goyle was a poor example of a Slytherin. As snape would put it “lazy. Arrogant.”

[boreal shuttle]

That's an oversimplification of Pettigrew's character imo. Him not being brave enough to defy Voldemort and valuing his own life over the life of his friends doesn't mean that he was a complete coward - we aren't 100% brave or 100% cowardly. He has definitely shown actions of bravery throughout his life and very likely would have remained a loyal friend under almost all circumstances.

Pettigrew is one of the more nuanced characters in general.

[tiny flower]

He’s a traitorous swine

[boreal shuttle]

It's ironic that you're advocating for Lucius of all people to have felt remorse for his actions - which is farfetched at best - while simultaneously reducing another character to a single act; a character who was less involved in Voldemort's success and plans, with the obvious exception of his resurrection, and very clearly felt actual and genuine remorse, considering how he died.

Yes, he was a traitor as well as self-preservative to a ridiculous degree and he deserves little to no sympathy, but he was also more than that. It's easy to dismiss the last part because you have to read between the lines but it is there.

[flat zealot]

That’s because it fits his worldbuilding. Similarly to how Dumbledore was willing to have innocents killed to redeem draco/snape

[boreal shuttle]

Wait, in what way was Harry intentionally and repeatedly manipulative? Also, you mentioned Cedric being self-sacrificing, caring and compassionate as part of him "embodying everything Harry wasn't", implying that you believe that Harry was neither of those? Which would honestly be the absolute hot take in the history of hot takes.
Sorry if I'm interpreting this wrong.

To me it always seemed like Cedric was meant to portray what Harry could have been like with an actual family and a normal upbringing and life.

[boreal shuttle]

I'm not completely sure which part you're referring to with "his worldbuilding".

[flat zealot]

Sorry, his vision of the world

He has been arguing for two days that Slytherins are the loyal ones, for example.

[boreal shuttle]

Ah, understood.

[mint warren]

The 'self sacrificing and caring' bit had more to do with why he was willing to sacrifice himself for Harry, not his typical Hufflepuff loyalty. Cedric was different from Harry in that he was the star student due to hard work and a friendly demeanor. Harry, at this point in the story, was starting to lean more heavily on his chosen one status, and his attitude towards his friends was more negative. Hence his jealousy towards Cedric.

[boreal shuttle]

I very strongly disagree with the last part. How exactly was Harry ever leaning on his chosen one status? His jealousy towards Cedric was also more complicated, pretty much a combination of Cedric being popular, confident, having the luxury of a normal life and getting the girl Harry fancied.

[mint warren]

Okay, then you win. Not exactly in the mood to debate it right now.

[naive rock]

Does anyone know where on the map the whomping willow was eventually planted? It was near Hagrids shack right?

[modern moth]

It's on a hill quite far from the castle, but still within Hogwarts ground.

[boreal shuttle]

iirc Rowling never specified the actual location in the books. The segment during PoA where Crookshanks is chasing Scabbers/Pettigrew doesn't make it seem like Harry, Hermione and Ron followed them for a very long time though, which implies that it can't be very far away from Hagrid's Hut. The passage during CoS where Ron crash-lands the Ford Anglia into the Willow is even more vague and just hints at it being relatively close to Hogwarts' front doors.

But ultimately she could have been skipping over things to maintain the urgency of the moment and the overall flow of the story in both cases, so we don't really know.

The most accurate location would be the one from JKRs original sketch of Hogwarts, which had the Willow pretty much in the middle between the castle and Hagrid's Hut.

So, long story short: In-game it would have to be pretty close to the Merlin Trial that is near the hut.

[dawn ridge]

Lore

Hogwarts legacy is good

[lucid coral]

Sold lore 👍

[modern moth]

Please tag spoilers. /s

[tiny flower]

Slytherins are loyal to those within their inner circle, but not to everyone. Hufflepuffs are known to be the generally loyal ones, yes. But Slytherins don’t give out their loyalty easily. So if you’re apart of a Slytherins inner circle of friends, you’ve got an extremely loyal bunch.

[blissful ginkgo]

Define loyalty. Even a Samurai goes against his lords orders, when he thinks he must do this to prevent his master from something stupid.

And yeah Slytherins can be loyal, like other aristocrats are loyal to family, faction, etc.

You can put every house in a stereo type. But there is more than black or white. Mix it and you get many shades of grey

[tiny flower]

Sometimes going against someone as well can be a sense of loyalty. Like Ominis goes against Sebastian’s choices but he feels as if it’s for his own good.

Loyalty is such a grey area but everyone’s got their own perspective on it

[blissful ginkgo]

Same goes for many other things. It depends on perspective

[tiny flower]

And from mine, a Slytherins loyalty holds the most weight to it since they’re very particular on who they let into their lives.

[blissful ginkgo]

Well Slytherins are basically the aristocrats of the mage world. At least how I interpret it. So doing this would be normal as aristocrats

[tiny flower]

They rightfully think they’re better than everyone else. It’s not our fault that we’re just THAT good.

[worthy walrus]

I have three questions, btw I am not that deep into HP Universe, so apologies for the question

1. Is the ancient magic in the game are connected somewhat to the one in the latest Fantastic beast, what I mean is that since Dumby mentioned that "Some of our most important magic has its origins there", or is it different, cause both Hogwarts(in the game), and Bhutan(in the movie), is mentioned that "the wizarding world's most ancient magic had its origins there", so I am just confused which one is more likely, the spells that we learnt in the movies originated from there or it is the ancient magic itself?

2. Sebastian mentioned that the librarian casted an anti Alohomora, so how can you make an "anti " spell to counter something, or it is more likely that there is a spell that is used to counter Alohomora(or set of spells) just that since we are still students, we dont know what spells that was so for convenience, they just called it "Anti- *insert spell here"

3. I forgot which npc mentioned that non verbal spells is not recommended by the Hogwarts professors, however I wanted to ask how do they usually conjure one if wanted, like was it like the killing curse whether you have to "mean" it, or u can just say in your heart the spells? or smthing else?

and srry for the long questions btw

[peak tundra]

Can't answer your first question, but to your second, there is a counter spell to Alohomora called Colloportus and I think they use that at some point during the books to keep the compartment closed on the train if I remember correctly. I don't remember in which book, but pretty sure it's either 5 or 6. As for your third question, at least by Harry Potter's time, they start to learn non verbal spells in year 6 of Defence against the Dark Arts. From what I remember, you just have to think about the spell you want to cast but don't say it out loud and some of the students were able to do it quicker than others. So there definitely seems to be some kind of difficulty level.

[worthy walrus]

so for the answer to my second question, it seems that there are spells that can be used or called "anti" smth, it is just that like I said, since the student havent advanced that far yet so they named the spell to counter their own as "anti" smth, like Colloportus as "anti alohomora", is that correct?

[peak tundra]

Pretty much. Colloportus is more Alohomora specific while "Finite" is a more open counter to most, not all, spells

[dapper lark]

Umbridge’s door even melted Harry’s super lock picking knife

[worthy walrus]

Ah...okay, thank u both for the answers, the reason why I join the server, one of them is cause there are some questions that I had when I read let say pottermore, play hogwarts legacy, etc..

[dawn ridge]

Oh my god I'm so sorry

[mint warren]

Now everyone knows the game is good! How could you???

[dawn ridge]

Not everyone those good for nothing #HogwartsLegacyboycott people still are stoopid

[tiny flower]

Oh, they make me want to buy two copies instead of one

[modern moth]

Personally would've bought another copy for my brother if it isn't so bloody expensive thanks to exchange rate.

[coarse sparrow]

winning House Cup is cool and all but what's the actual benefit tho?

[modern moth]

House pride.

[coarse sparrow]

worthless

[modern moth]

I would say there must be more than just a house performance competition, and there could be some benefit we don't know yet.

[naive rock]

If no one knew about the horcruxes until much later in the books, why did people think that Voldemort might come back? Why did Quirrel for example go looking for him in Albania? What was the reasoning as to why he might still be alive?

[flat zealot]

He told them he had beaten death.

[naive rock]

Did he publicly declare this cause even Dumbledore knew about it

[flat zealot]

He declared it to his death eaters. Also, Quirrel didn’t go looking for him, afawk

[worthy trench]

Yah he told them prior to his first defeat i think

[naive rock]

Yes cause I know he punished some of his Death Eaters when he got his body back for not having faith or some similar reason. But Dumbledore always knew that he would rise again. What's the explanation for this? And clearly people were still scared of him hence the not wanting to say his name. If people thought he was dead for good they probably wouldn't have cared as much.

[worthy trench]

Fear, simple as that. It lingered despite most thinking he was dead

He inspired it that much they didn't wanna speak his name

[modern moth]

Probably because his reputation precedes him. He was quite literally the most powerful dark wizard in history. Even before that night, he already looked physically somewhat inhuman, so people would've figured a simple curse rebound wouldn't have killed him. That & my personal theory is if he was really dead, the Dark Mark on the Death Eaters' forearms would've disappeared.

[worthy trench]

They never did, only faded after he died i think. Unsure

[naive rock]

Okay so what about Dumbledore? How did he know?

[worthy trench]

He's a genius and he suspected for years Tom made a Horcrux and its why he had the book on them removed from the library.

[naive rock]

Ahh okay so he was just confirming it then I guess with the Slughorn thing. I thought he said something like "It's beyond anything I could have imagined." Which would suggest he had no idea Voldemort made horcruxes.

[worthy trench]

He just needed Slughorn's memoty to prove it

He had an idea it was Horcruxes since he knew LV wanted immortality for a long time perhaps the day he met him since Tom does say his mom wouldn't have died if she was a witch showing he viewed death as weakness and something that wizards/witches should be able to conquer and be above

And he knew HP was a living Horcrux back after LV was disembodied in HPs home.

[naive rock]

"This is beyond anything I have ever imagined" was Dumbledore's first words out of Slughorn's full memory in the movie. Might be different in the book let me check.

He did suggest that he had already been looking for horcruxes though.

[worthy trench]

that was maybe only a movie line but he thinks long before that LV has a horcrux

he says in book 1 there are ways LV can return after he's beaten in mirror room, so he knows LV isn't dead

LV couldn't stay disembodied in the physical plane without a horcrux

he knows that. He just didn't know how many he had.

[naive rock]

Okay the book is waaaaay different lmao. Dumbledore's first words are "I have been hoping for this piece of evidence... it confirms the theory on which I have been working."

[worthy trench]

Seems only a Horcrux can anchor a disembodied wizard to the physical plane, otherwise you just go on to limbo

Even in movie, he suspects its a horcrux since movie 2 when he got the diary

[naive rock]

Yeah I just was watching the Half Blood Prince the other day and that scene threw me a bit.

[worthy trench]

You can apply any seeming inconsistancies to maybe JK not coming up ith the horcrux stuff yes or not have it all fleshed out in book 2 or 4 but it seems she did since she wanted to put much of book 6 stuff into book 2 like LVs backstory

[naive rock]

The following page Dumbledore explains how it confirms the diary which he strongly suspected it was a horcrux since a mere memory wouldn't have been able to control Ginny, etc.

[worthy trench]

hmm

[naive rock]

“Then you told me, two years later, that on the night that Voldemort returned to his body, he made a most illuminating and alarming statement to his Death Eaters. ‘I, who have gone further than anybody along the path that leads to immortality.’ That was what you told me he said. ‘Further than anybody,’ And I thought I knew what that meant, though the Death Eaters did not. He was referring to his Horcruxes..."

Confirms the DE did not know about the horcruxes.

They probably just knew he was immortal as you said.

[modern moth]

Horcrux is generally a no-no topic iirc Dumbledore even got rid of the book that just mentioned it & was locked in the restricted section, but he was too late (after Voldemort found it). Knowledge of horcruxes is extremely rare, so if anyone else were to know, it was definitely Dumbledore.

[naive rock]

Unlucky Tom found the one book lol

[modern moth]

That & Slughorn blabbed.

[naive rock]

Imagine a kid that young asking about the viability of murdering 6 people

[modern moth]

Fr & if Dumbledore was headmaster at the time, he would've definitely done something, but Tom was manipulative, charming & model student. Nobody else would've believed Dumbledore.

[worthy trench]

I think AD should have removed the book regardless once he knew it was there.

[naive rock]

There are so many questionable things at Hogwarts lol

[modern moth]

Imagine how crazy the other teachers would've looked at Dumbledore if he told them the handsome, intelligent & polite prefect was one effed up dude.

[worthy trench]

He wouldn't have too. Just discreetly remove the book years before and burn the thing or keep it with himself

[modern moth]

They send kids into Forbidden Forest as detention already got me raising an eyebrow. lmao

[worthy trench]

They used corporal punishment for ages. Torture essentially

[modern moth]

Probably bureaucracy tbh. The librarian would've probably raised hell if they noticed a book missing especially in the restricted section.

[naive rock]

I doubt they would have known. They didn't do anything when Voldy took it.

[modern moth]

Did he actually take it or just read it? Iirc the book didn't contain much except for surface level stuff. Tom even had to ask Slughorn how horcruxes are made.

[naive rock]

Yeah who knows. I was thinking he probably wouldn't have had enough time to read it while in the restricted section. Maybe he got a note from a professor to be in there idk.

[worthy trench]

He can just read it other disillument but odds are he took the book

[modern moth]

Tho it's still hella messed up Hogwarts even had the book in the first place.

[worthy trench]

Yah hence i think AD should have gotten rid of it long before TR showed up

Just burn every copy of that thing.

Ofc other books may also have the details of horcrux making unknown to him and wizards in general

[naive rock]

I wonder if they have a committee deciding these things. I mean certainly someone decides which books should be in the restricted section.

[worthy trench]

I wonder if the book had the info on destroying horcruxes other than remorse for soul healing

[naive rock]

"all in favor of removing the book about splitting the soul via murder please raise your hand"

no one raises

[modern moth]

A bit political, but knowing how governments work, won't be surprised if the wizarding counterpart is exactly the same.

[worthy trench]

corrupt, obstructive etc.. yeah ofc they are

[modern moth]

I mean they even tried to destroy's Dumbledore's reputation to deny Voldemort's return.

[naive rock]

How much of Umbridge's assholery was due to the horcrux she was wearing?

[modern moth]

0 because I unfortunately know people like her irl.

Basically Karen on steroid.

[naive rock]

Verified Karen

[worthy trench]

none. she's just a grade-A evil b*tch

[naive rock]

Anyone know off hand how thick an object has to be to stop AK? Was thinking about shields.

[worthy trench]

like many fans hate her more than LV

[worthy trench]

who knows. some physical barriers could probably deflect the energy stream

[naive rock]

I always think OOTP is gonna be a good watch and then I just end up hating her so much.

They should give all aurors convex shields

[modern moth]

No idea but Dumby used a statue to block it in OotP.

[naive rock]

Made of like goblin silver, would probably do the trick.

Crafted with love ☺️ 🥰 😘

[modern moth]

If vibranium & Nokia phones exist in HP universe, they definitely can stop it.

[worthy trench]

coated in Ancient magic

[naive rock]

It’s a shame Lily Potter died. She could have made a killing with all her love

[worthy trench]

She had great potion skill it seems and DATDA skills

[naive rock]

Was James Potter actually a dick?

[worthy trench]

he was a bully in his teens yes to snape. otherwise it seems he was ok in general. he grew out of bullying ofc. his love for lily prompted that.

[naive rock]

Imagine not moving on from a crush for literally your entire life.

[worthy trench]

that was snape for ya.

[warped thistle]

I think he didn't take it, or if he did he put it back, because eventually the book ends up in Hermione's hands somehow, if memory serves. I think I remember her saying how it contains some of the vilest magic or something like that

[flat zealot]

None, she only got the locket after sirius’ death.

Mundingus couldn’t have stolen it before.

[flat zealot]

There is a reason why books about the dark arts are not destroyed but kept, and that is the same reason why Sebastian is looking into dark magic.

If you know the specifics of what curse hit someone, it is already easier to craft a remedy. And « secrets of the darkest art » (btw, a book Sebastian comments on during your trip in the forbidden section) is likely to also contain a lot of curses.

[dapper lark]

They just shouldn’t be kept at a school. Should be at the auror office or at St Mungos.

[worthy walrus]

I have questions regarding the founders;

1. Why does from all founders, the only one who have surviving descendants are Salazar's? Rowena's died by bloody baron(quite young as well I think), Godric's dont have any descendants(according to the wiki), and Helga's only known descendants are Hepzibah Smith(even then the wiki stated that she "claimed to be descended from Helga Hufflepuff", so how much was it was true?, there are also some parts of the wiki stated that she is just a distant relative)

2. If Salazar's descendants to be able speak parseltongue(which gave me the impression that only his descendants able to speak them), then how come Herpo the Foul also be able to do that, despite him being from Greece?

Disclaimer: I know that wiki isnt a great source to take the facts as accuracy, but as someone who is new to HP, I find it is only way accesible for me to know the rough history or origin of smth in the Magical Universe, btw most of what I know are from wiki, so just keep that in mind haha...

[dapper lark]

Yeah, it’s annoying that none of the other founders are explored as much as Slytherin. Salazar gets secret chambers around Hogwarts, a secret snake language, and prolific offspring. Every other founder just has the one relic.

[rare knot]

Parseltongue, while associated with Salazar Slytherin and his descendants is not unique to that line. There are others who have the skill as well, with Herpo the Foul being the most famous.

And yeah, hopefully HL goes into more details about the other founders, because tbh I'm sick of Slytherin getting all the attention. Secret Slytherin Chambers here, Secret Slytherin Scriptoriums there.

[naive rock]

Slytherin is the only house that needed to be secretive lul

[dapper lark]

One reason that Slytherin’s descendants are more well known could be that as Pureblood supremacists they are most interested in Tradition. It probably wasn’t as important to the other founders’s descendants that it could have faded a bit or at least not been at the forefront of their characters like the Gaunts made their ancestry to be.

[random moon]

Parselmouths aren’t exclusive to Salazar and his bloodline. He’s just one of the most infamous and well known examples and why there’s a strong association between parselmouths and dark wizards.

It’s an innate skill that is found in other parts of the world, but it’s not exclusively a Salazar bloodline trait

[worthy walrus]

Ah..okay, I was just wondering cause it seems that his is the one who passed down through generations(or the one who get the spotlight so to speak), while others are just mentioned briefly I guess...

[civic egret]

During the game, if you're roaming around at night, you can see house-elves cleaning the school, etc. If you approach them, they disappear. I assumed they apparate away, but you can't apparate on Hogwarts grounds, can you?

This also happens during the last mission of the game, when a few teachers ||apparate in under Hogwarts to fight with you|| ... doesn't it break lore about apparating into or out of Hogwarts?

[warped thistle]

House elf magic seems to not be bound by wizard magic limitations in some instances.
For example Dobby could also apparate into the dungeon of the malfoys although it was enchanted against apparition if I remember correctly

[civic egret]

Hmm, you could be right. I don't remember if it was explicitly called out their dungeon was guarded against apparation, but it makes sense logically that it would be. I also don't remember if that scene varies from the movie vs. the book

[warped thistle]

For the teachers it might be breaking the lore or it might not. I'm not sure if the anti apparition protection is like a boundless cylinder around hogwarts that extends infinitely in the air and underground, or if it is a finite sphere around hogwarts, so if the teachers apparated in an area that is deep enough under hogwarts the anti apparition protection might not reach that far

[civic egret]

But they apparated from Hogwarts

[warped thistle]

Ah yea that sounds like it's breaking the rule

[random moon]

They could have just temporarily lifted the anti Apparition Jinx on the school so they could get there quickly rather than having to go there on foot

[rare knot]

It was also mentioned that then protective enchantments did not extend to under the school. That being said it probably would have made more sense just to run down through the map chamber as opposed to exiting the grounds and then apparating.

I think the most logical explanation is that the anti-disapperation jinx was temporarily lifted.

[flat zealot]

For the founders, the room of requirements was made by Rowena, if I remember correctly.

[feral forge]

rowena was smart enough

[restive lotus]

🤣

[warped thistle]

🤨

[modest robin]

FB 4 when

[rare knot]

I've heard this mentioned a few times but which source backs this up? I just thought it was headcanon.

[flat zealot]

Might be fanon, not sure

[rare knot]

I think it is

[naive rock]

How did Merlin go to Hogwarts if he was alive during Arthur's time at around the 6th century?

[warped thistle]

I think Hogwarts lore is a bit different than real life legend of Merlin. They put the hogwarts founders earlier than Merlin

[naive rock]

Yeah I think they just put King Arthur like 400 years after it actually happened. Which would mean history in general is waaaaay different.

Seeing as Arthur is famed for fighting the Saxons

According to Hogwarts history King Arthur came…after the Norman conquest?

[lucid coral]

So I was rewatching Chamber of Secrets and I think I found a problem. Tom Riddle (young Voldemort) blames the death of Myrtle on Hagrid and his pet spider. Than in Harry’s time the attacks start to happen again. So the ministry arrests Hagrid and says it’s because of what he was accused of in the past. Here’s the problem tho… During Harry’s time when the second attacks are happening everyone (but apparently Harry) knows Tom Riddle is Voldemort. So why is the minister taking the accusation against Hagrid present by Voldemort seriously any more. In fact, in “real life” not only would Hagrids name have been cleared long ago, but there would probably be some sort of law suit against Hogwarts and the ministry of magic long ago on Hagrids behalf.

[naive rock]

Lol good point. And American Hagrid would definitely sue lmao

[lucid coral]

The last part was more of a joke, but it doesn’t make any sense as to why Hagrid was arrested the second time. It only makes sense in so much that the audience/reader don’t yet know Tom Riddle is Voldemort, but presumably everyone else does right? I mean Ollivander knew he sold Tom Riddle his wand and Ollivander knew Harry had the same wand core feathers as Voldemort. So it’s clear that ppl knew Tim Riddle was Voldemort

[naive rock]

Yes definitely

[vernal mountain]

Hagrid is half giant so i don't know how well he'd do in court with if he weren't put on trial with the same rights as a wizard presumably has

They already had his wand revoked too

[naive rock]

Yeah the only explanation i can see is that for some ridiculous reason everyone thinks Voldemort turned bad after his time at Hogwarts or something dumb like that.

[lucid coral]

But he should have been cleared long ago. Even if we forgot about him be cleared. Wouldn’t someone at the ministry or Hogwarts when they are getting ready to arrest Hagrid be like… wait a minute what’s the reason we are blaming him? Because the most evil wizard of all time said he did it…

[vernal mountain]

Well lucius malfoy for the most part

[lucid coral]

Like I could see it maybe working if they found out Hagrid still had the spider and it’s huge now, but they didn’t. That part was never found out. The accusations against Hagrid during Harry’s time are beyond baseless

[vernal mountain]

And really they don't have tangible proof it wasnt Aragog. They would never have been able to trace it back to hagrid since tom riddles testimony is defunct, but still they know of his aflliation with the creature so

I don't recall if lucius malfoy was the guy who made hagrid take the fall am i thinking of PoA

[lucid coral]

Lucius was there the second time to arrest Hagrid, but Lucius shouldn’t have a leg to stand on. Lucius would be basing this on what Voldemort said Hagrid did.

[vernal mountain]

Not necessarily, i mean all they have to do is look up if Acramantulas can petrify people and rule out aragog as a possibility, if we're down to it. Honestly it seems like they never just hold people for questioning unless its the court room or some other paperwork thing, and just send them criminals straight to azkaban, a place you're never supposed to come back from unless it was a petty crime. Due to the many students having been lost in the dark forrest in the past is totally possible they knew of aragogs nature and couldn't rule him out entirely. It's more than plausible Lucius would convince fudge to detain hagrid temporarily, which is what i thought they did.

[naive rock]

I haven’t watched or read in a while but is it possible they just thought Hagrid helped Tom open the chamber and them during chamber of secrets events they thought he opened it again

[vernal mountain]

The first time no way since Tom absolved himself of all blame and pointed fingers. The second time, that would've meant Hagrid would be accused of conspiring with Voldemort?

[lucid coral]

It’s an interesting idea, but it doesn’t work with the events that took place in the past. Also, if that was the case, why on earth is Hagrid even working at a school. What is wrong with Hogwarts HR department if that is what we are supposed to believe happened

[naive rock]

Ok just thinking here, the first time what actually happened was Tom accused Hagrid then Tom got cleared. Then after people figured out Tom was Voldy they (or there could have been a contingent who) could have believed that Hagrid helped Tom open the chamber or otherwise handle the snake or something and Tom wanting to rid himself of all blame just accused Hagrid.

[vernal mountain]

We really need a wizarding department of homeland security aurors are basically a worse FBI

[random moon]

Very few people actually knew Voldemort’s real name.

He detached himself from it so much it was information very few were privilege to

So as far as the Minisrty we’re concerned, Hagrid was involved as a student and when it starts happening again while he’s working at the school, then he’s the most logical (and easiest) person to blame

[vernal mountain]

With the exception of the ministry and hogwarts staff which are the two relevant parties

There's no way the ministry didn't know tom was voldemort he almost became minister of magic so many times

[lucid coral]

Here’s what’s unclear in the past. Tom says Hagrids spider was responsible for killing myrtrle. But we also have several references to the chamber being opens that killed myrtle. I guess it’s possible that ppl thought Hagrid opened the chamber and found the spider in it (as no one knew the basilisk existed in the chamber). I can be down with that idea, that Hagrid was originally being accused of finding a pet spider in the chamber. The problem is in Harry’s time all these accusations came from the most evil dark wizard of all time. It should be obvious to anyone in Harry’s time that Hagrid was framed

[random moon]

He stopped calling himself Tom Riddle and I doubt the ministry kept track of some random orphan with no parentage of known note (they didn’t know he was a Gaunt either)

[vernal mountain]

Wasn't he almost thrown in Azkaban for his misdeeds are borgin and burkes too?

Registered employee there, no matter what alias

[lucid coral]

I consider this. That maybe it’s like Anakin Skywalker and Darth Vader, but the problem is Ollivander made it clear in sorcerer stone that he knew Tom was Voldemort. As Ollivander knew he sold Tom his wand and Ollivander says the wand core is from the same one that gave Harry his scar (or whatever Ollivander said). Point is unless some retcon is done. Regular ppl knew Tom Riddle = Voldemort

[vernal mountain]

If they didn't track him into the eighties fine but you'd think even someone with several canidate opportunities and employment status would be followable by a paper trail or something

[flat zealot]

Wait, what misdeeds?

Also, no, most people didn't know he was Tom Riddle, as Tom Riddle was a known half blood, and Voldemort wasn't.

On top of this, Fudge says directly why Hagrid is sent to prison: The ministry needs to be seen as doing something, and Hagrid is a ready made scapegoat.

This is not a country with a fully working justice system, don't forget that

[vernal mountain]

Even the fact that under that alias and as a boy his known death eaters surfaced as those same servants of Voldemort

[flat zealot]

And Voldemort disappeared for a few years between school and being Voldemort, that's when he went to Albania and got the diadem. Also when Dumbledore became headmaster.

[vernal mountain]

I know im just saying fudge and the department of magical law enforcement would

[flat zealot]

How? Sure, you could know via wandlore, but Ollivanders doesn't seem that opposed to Tom per se...

[vernal mountain]

Up until he reinvented himself completely anyway, if he did it suddenly one day. 🤣

[vernal mountain]

What i just said, paper trail

[lucid coral]

If it’s everyone’s stance that Tom/Voldemort is like Anakin/Vader. I need to know why Ollivander knew Toms was Voldemort. Sorcerers Stone really makes it seem like ppl knew Voldemort “secret identities” (if it even WAS a secret)

[vernal mountain]

Thats of course holding it over their heads that they even regulate businesses to that extent

[flat zealot]

What paper trail? He didn't use the name Voldemort before disappearing, nor did he use Tom after reappearing

[lucid coral]

Sorry to beat a dead horse, but how did Ollivander know Tom was Voldemort than?

[flat zealot]

With the wand used?

[lucid coral]

Ollivander sold Tom his wand. Ollivander knew Tom was Voldemort. Ollivander said so much to Harry when Harry purchased his wand.

[flat zealot]

Like simply that? Ollivanders knows every single wand he sold, and who he sold it to. However, wands are not wheighed often, and nobody ever asked Voldemort whether they could wheigh his wand. Sure, the first death eaters include some of his school friends, but we don't know much more afterwards, so they probably guessed it was him, but didn't want to spread the word/were afraid about it.

On the other hand, Ollivanders was relatively safe during the first war, so he would have no reason to compromise on that to reveal who Voldemort was...

[lucid coral]

Look I’ll say this. It’s POSSIBLE. I have heard of worst retconning, but you must agree it’s a stretch. Maybe if we get a Harry Potter prequel one day they will include this.

[warped thistle]

Was it common knowledge though that Riddle was Voldemort, or that Voldemort was the one who opened the chamber?
I don't think it was.

[warped thistle]

Did Voldemort publicly say he opened the chamber?
In which book?

[spare rain]

My understanding is that Olivanders understood what type of wand associated its wizard, Tom Riddle dit amazing things, Terrible but amazing

The wand chooses the wizard, and if the wizard is supposed to be a strong one, the wand should know, thus Olivander should know

[warped thistle]

exactly... the wand was Olivander all along

...wait wut

;P

[lucid coral]

Ollivander says the wizard who had the other wand is he who much not be named. Are we all saying that Ollivander was not referring to Voldemort but only Tom Riddle?

[spare rain]

By the time Voldemort was feared so much, his name should not be named, I feel like Olivander did indeed know this was previously Tom Riddle

After all, he could correctly identify the wands he was presented after Harry, Hermoine and Ron expelled some wands from deatheaters

[warped thistle]

Yea there were a select few like Dumbledore, Slughorn, Olivander, some early death eaters and some others who knew. But I don't think the book depicted this information to be common knowledge

[lucid coral]

No, but the point is not that it’s known that Tom opened it. The point is he is no longer a credible “witness/accuser”. It’s honestly not a hard step in logic to think Tom framed Hagrid, but if someone wants to take that stance, technically I can’t prove otherwise

[warped thistle]

What stance am I taking? That there is no source material where Voldemort claims the opening of the chamber for himself publicly?
I guess I am taking that stance

[spare rain]

Tom had to frame Hagrid to keep the chamber safe I think, yes...

The book was a horcrux, Tom, beeing Voldemorts past/former self, surely went to the Chamber as he is ultimately a parseltongue if thats what you mean

or am I reading your question wrong ;D

[lucid coral]

Here’s my line of thought. When I was thinking to myself if regular ppl knew Tom was Voldemort. I asked myself do we have any examples of ppl knowing Tom was Voldemort. To me it’s clear that in sorcerer stone Ollivander knew Tom was Voldemort, and it looks like everyone else here now agrees that Ollivander did know (it was hit and miss at times, but I think we laid that to bed). If you (or others) want to say only a handful of wizards knew than fine, but unless the books say so there is more evidence that ppl knew Tom was Voldemort than did know (we only have Harry as an example of someone that didn’t know)

Is there any examples of ppl not knowing Tom was Voldemort? Beside for Harry?

[spare rain]

Well its more that Voldemort used to be Tom, the time he went by the name Tom Riddle, he was unassuming and not much of a worry to anyone

So only the people that were willing to trace back Voldemorts origins would know I assume

[warped thistle]

but unless the books say so there is more evidence that ppl knew Tom was Voldemort than did know
Can you rephrase this I don't understand. Did you mean to say that there is evidence more people knew than didn't or something along those lines?

[spare rain]

the general public isn't interested in who Voldemort was, more than the fact it was a killer and a vicious one

But all his former professors at hogwarts, yes I think they know Voldemorts past

[lucid coral]

Is there any evidence that ppl didn’t know Tom was Voldemort? Any examples? The only one I can think of is Harry. I can however think of several example where someone DID know Tom was Voldemort

[spare rain]

all younger people that didnt live with "Tom" wouldnt know unless they were told

[vivid pier]

For me it's easy to imagine that Ollivander might have realized, eventually, who Voldemort was but at that point the "who is he" was less pressing than "is he or his psychos going to burn my shop down and murder me for even implying I know who he is". And the answer is yes, they would, and so you keep your mouth shut until maybe some kid walks in and you go "oh spit" and let something slip, already knowing who this kid is and what he went through.

Cause like... isn't that what happens later in the series when Ollivander gets Disappeared

[warped thistle]

You are asking the other way around. It would be easier to list the people in the books who did know than did not.
Lets even take the order of the phoenix, Voldemorts most fiery opponents. How many of them knew? I bet if my enemy prides himself on fighting to make pure bloods rule over all the others but is a half blood himself I would mock him with that publicly as a means of propaganda against him. As well as using his birth name which if I knew he didn't like because he was named after his muggle father, I would exploit that.
Didn't happen though

[spare rain]

Considering Dumbledore knew Grindelwald through and through, he surely would have been alarmed by Tom if he was such a bad boy then.

Only after Tom became Voldemort is when the people that knew Tom realised who he really was.

So Yes, almost everybody from that time would have known if that answers your question

[lucid coral]

I have thought about calling him Tom would be a good way to take the edge off him. I’m still not buying it tho. It’s very good apologetic on your end, but I’m not buying

[spare rain]

And dont forget, Harry joined the wizarding world quite late in his life

so yes probably only Harry didnt know, and his friends didnt care what Voldemorts old name was, at the time it wasnt important

[warped thistle]

I don't think the issue was about caring or not. Was it really common knowledge? I don't think it was.

[lucid coral]

It looks like I converted cybearean

Don’t give up Altair. You’re still one of the smartest Harry Potter lore ppl I know. If anyone can find an example it’s you

[spare rain]

It wasnt common knowledge if it wasnt important is what I am trying to say 😉

The main thing, is that the general public MAY have known his former name, but whether the killer is called Tom or Voldemort doesnt necessarily make a difference to the fact the individual just Killed someone!

[lucid coral]

The ultimate question is whether it’s common knowledge or not (that Tom was Voldemort). If it was not common knowledge I would agree Hagrid would still be too suspect

[warped thistle]

If it was common knowledge Hermione would have solved the secret behind the mystery of the Chamber of Secrets sooner. When Harry discovered the diary and T.M. Riddle and his award for special services, Hermione would have known who he was, IF Voldemort’s birth name had been public knowledge, considering her thirst for reading and for knowledge. As a muggle born she knew who Harry Potter was, as well as the wizard who attacked him, and even that you shouldn’t mention his name, and this was when she first met Harry, before actually setting foot in Hogwarts to begin her magical education. I take it then that if Hermione has read up on Voldemort and his attack on Harry (because when first meeting Harry and hearing his name she did know who he was and that he was famous), and the name Tom Riddle were public knowledge it would have been included in whatever info it was she read up on him…..

[spare rain]

That is why I think only the people that knew Tom from his school years likely would have known

Dont forget that Hermoine had Muggle parents

and never went to school with Tom

[lucid coral]

Did Hermione see the diary and know it was Toms? That would be huge

I would agree if Hermione did not know Tom was Voldemort than it was NOT common knowledge

[warped thistle]

You can't say

only the people that knew Tom from his school years likely would have known
and
it was common knowledge
at the same time.
Pick one

[spare rain]

Ive said in my previous comments, I think it was common knowledge amongst the older people, not the students that studied alongside Harry

[lucid coral]

Meh. It’s not a big deal. He can change his mind

[vivid pier]

Canonically we know only his closest friends knew he used the codename "Voldemort". Death Eaters wear masks. I don't think anyone beyond his inner circle would have made the connection beyond Dumbledore.

[spare rain]

So yes it was common knowledge, just not amongst the kids, just as much as Wingardium Leviosa is Common knowledge for anyone that has been taught

[lucid coral]

Ok. Thank you for clarifying what you meant

[lucid coral]

Altair help me to find if Hermione knew about the diary and that it was Toms. It needs to be clear that she knew it was Toms diary and didn’t say anything about who Tom was. And please don’t have it be something like she sees the corner of the diary sticking out of Harry’s bag but he puts it away before she can get a good look at it or something like that

[spare rain]

I highly recommend (re)watching the movie with this question ;D

[lucid coral]

I might have to again lol

[spare rain]

same, cause I honestly want to know now 😛

[lucid coral]

This game got me to going deep into Harry Potter lore. I thought I was past this part of my life lol. Before this game came out I honestly don’t know if I would have remembered the names of the different house ghosts or something like that

[spare rain]

https://tenor.com/view/dumbledore-albus-albus-dumbledore-harry-potter-harry-potter5-gif-25796324

I have another question... The link above: Would Dumbledore also be someone that could perform Ancient Magic?

And Grindelwald to that extend?

[naive rock]

Alright guys so Merlin and King Arthur and Hogwarts. Make it make sense.

[lucid coral]

lol. Im exhausted at this point lol

[naive rock]

Also since we’re all so good at deciphering inconsistencies I thought I’d ask why we have a law for seatbelts if motorcycles are perfectly legal.

[lucid coral]

I don’t think we ever get too much info on Merlin. He’s almost like an easter egg or fun fact type situation

[naive rock]

Yeah but we know two things for sure. He’s from Arthur’s time, and he went to Hogwarts. It makes no sense.

[lucid coral]

Motorcycle existed before seatbelts were required in most countries. I guess motorcycles could be banned, but most government don’t like to ban things (usually)

[lucid coral]

Correct. Unless time travel or something

[naive rock]

Seatbelts just shouldn’t be required by law imo.

I do wear them tho

[spare rain]

Hogwarts is inside a Wizarding world, Arthur lived in a Muggle Castle somewhere else. I'm sure Merlin as a younger feller was more inclined with the Muggle world and only later was interested in teaching students

[warped thistle]

From chamber of secrets chapter 13:
“Oh, Ron, wake up,” snapped Hermione. “We know the person who opened the Chamber last time was expelled fifty years ago. We know T.M. Riddle got an award for special services to the school fifty years ago. Well, what if Riddle got his special award for catching the Heir of Slytherin? His diary would probably tell us everything – where the Chamber is, and how to open it, and what sort of creature lives in it – the person who’s behind the attacks this time wouldn’t want that lying around, would they?”

[naive rock]

King Arthur lived in the 6th century. Hogwarts was created in the 11th.

[lucid coral]

Without doxing myself. The majority of fatality losses I have handled happen when seatbelts were not wore. You might still get injured, but without a seatbelt you will get ejected from the vehicle

[naive rock]

Yes of course they’re vital for survival. But if motorcycles are legal it proves we don’t care about personal safety from a legal standpoint. Most of our laws are aimed at preventing deaths and injury to others, not to ourselves. Though this is not completely true, there is an inconsistency when it comes to driving.

[lucid coral]

You found it! : D

[warped thistle]

Yea I think we had that discussion in short a couple hours ago. Harry Potter lore places Merlin much later than real life lore places the legend of Merlin

[naive rock]

I felt like that was a bit of a cop out answer. I guess it’s true though. It’s so stupid. They should have just made Merlin a totally different wizard to the one in Arthurian legend.

[lucid coral]

That’s why I think it’s just an easter egg situation. Not fake, but not too be taken too literally. However, the game clearly takes it very seriously

[warped thistle]

I wonder how many more differences there are in Harry Potter lore.
Was there a magical creation of the world, or did the current humanoids like goblins, house elves, humans and giants all evolve from a common ancestor

[vivid pier]

maybe Morgana (which, btw, I like that some NPCs ambient dialogue is that she wasn't bad and got a bad rep) put him to sleep for a few hundred years like sleeping beauty

I try not to think about this one too much haha

[naive rock]

I HATE this one being somewhat of a history nerd.

That wouldn’t make much sense anyways because what he is Arthur’s grown up wizard and then he gets put to sleep and then attends Hogwarts lol

[vivid pier]

maybe he benjamin buttons on a long scale. maybe he divides himself to reproduce so it's him but not him. some say merlin wanders the earth to this very day (spooky ghost story sounds).

[naive rock]

Loooool

[spare rain]

Who said he didnt live to be that old? After all, Dumbledore somehow survived all kinds of stuff

[lucid coral]

I actually wondered about their religion before. Only I do want to point out they all celebrate Christmas. Even the Weasleys and they are pure blood. So it’s not just a muggle holiday. In my opinion wizards are some form of Christian. Maybe not traditional like Catholics, Lutherans, Baptists, ect. But some form. At least the ones that celebrate Christmas. I presume half borne and muggle borne could be made up of any religion or atheist or whatever

[naive rock]

Then he was a 400 year old first year lol

Also super experienced wizard first year.

[spare rain]

😛

You can always enter as a 5th year regardless of age

[vivid pier]

it's probably easier to blend with muggles if you at least pay lip service to their basic holidays

[naive rock]

Yes and I never liked how all the spells were Latin. They should have been Gaelic.

[lucid coral]

But if they didn’t care about holidays Hogwarts wouldn’t celebrate it. It’s muggle free zone

[spare rain]

Who would want to miss their christmas?

[naive rock]

I suppose the original Romans were pagan and probably had witchlike beings but usually Latin is associated with Catholicism and they despised witches.

[lucid coral]

It’s also entirely possible that JK just added Christmas since it’s very English. And the books reflect an English life style

[spare rain]

Many kids at Hogwarts had a Muggle upbringing aswell, just like Hermoine

[lucid coral]

You just made me realize something. The spell are in Latin. That is very interesting.

[spare rain]

They would want to be with their parents during that time

[vivid pier]

Yes, but the secrecy statute has been in place for hundreds of years. After hundreds of years of being culturally adjacent you pick things up. They also study astronomy, which is seasonal, so I feel like there would at least be an observation of the solstices and such, which often coincides anyways.

[naive rock]

Christmas is also based on a pagan holiday in large part, especially the tree. So it makes sense the witches would be into it.

[vivid pier]

in the same way most of my atheist friends celebrate christmas but... not in the exact way a christian does

[spare rain]

& I am dying to use Wingardium Leviosa to decorate a huge Christmas tree

[lucid coral]

The Weasleys also celebrated it at home. I don’t think we can say it was all for show (to trick muggles). I might agree that they just like the celebration and had no belief in Jesus or God

[spare rain]

or conjure some pumpkins for that matter

[vivid pier]

I'm not saying it was all for show, I'm saying cultures permeate one another

[naive rock]

I wish JKR made the universe more pagan. Also it’s such a tragedy that India doesn’t have a wizarding school. India essentially has real life wizarding schools they would be the most advanced wizards in the world in the HP universe.

[spare rain]

There was some mention and a knod towarts Tibet though

which I like

The whole Qilin ceremony

[lucid coral]

It honestly would have made sense lore wise. I think she did it this way because the Harry Potter world is supposed to reflect the real world in a way. Specifically English life and you can’t have kids at school without Christmas

[naive rock]

The Himalayas would be such a ridiculously large store of ancient magic let’s be real

[vivid pier]

I am jealous of everyone who can emote react in this channel haha

[naive rock]

The only thing is that in real life Christians hate witches. I mean there are literally Christians who think HP is the work of the devil lol

[spare rain]

There are some random channels where I cant either its weird

try changing houses to Hufflepuff and back

[vivid pier]

I think it's because I've got a house but also the "To Be Sorted" role :\

[lucid coral]

That’s why I would presume if the wizards are Christian they are a specific sect/denomination probably not known to muggles

[naive rock]

Did they bestow the Hufflepuffs the power of the reaction?

[spare rain]

you can usually clear the To be Sorted role by resorting yourself

[naive rock]

Yeah maybe some gnostic Christians

[lucid coral]

It would be good lore.

[naive rock]

Damn Hufflepuffs and their special privileges

First they get the kitchen proximity and now this

[lucid coral]

Best house for a midnight snack

[spare rain]

Then again I joined Discord quite a while ago... maybe some role perms changed in the mean time, so probably some inconsistency

Hufflepuff Spoiler:
||I also went to Azkaban >:)||

[lucid coral]

Yep. Best side mission.
Without spoiling anything. There is a lot of evidence someone found in the game files that we might all go their for a real mission. Possible future dlc

[naive rock]

Recently I saw a video on YouTube about how most people who consider themselves Griffindors are actually Slytherins because if you think you’re a Griffindor that sometimes means you want to be seen as the main character/super badass and brave and that sort of ambition is more true of a Slytherin.

[spare rain]

that would be Amazing!

[naive rock]

That mission was like a second long though

[spare rain]

very true 😛

[naive rock]

I liked the Griffindor Jackdaw quest

I haven’t done a Ravenclaw one yet though

[spare rain]

oh by the by... there seems to be a top exit in the Ravenclaw tower?

[lucid coral]

Apparently in the steam version during one of the updates a bunch of files with the root name of that place were found. That means someone is working on game assets for that location

[spare rain]

when flying around Hogwarts ive noticed one of the towers having a top exit

[naive rock]

Yes there is one

[spare rain]

is that only for ravenclawians?

[naive rock]

Locked with a 1x alohamora

Yeah only for them

[spare rain]

Id happily trade in peartickling to enter the kitchen for that tbh!

[modern moth]

O

[naive rock]

I would too if you spent more than a microsecond in your common room in this game lul

[lucid coral]

It is in a tower so it makes sense. Would be sick tho if you could dive into the lake and end up in slytherin common room all wet

[naive rock]

Hahaha yeah

[spare rain]

ahah or some secret way through the Restricted Section of the lib?

[naive rock]

Anyone else not like the grand staircase in this game? They need to move like in the movies 🍿

[spare rain]

yeaaa.... was thinking the same!

probably done for performance

[lucid coral]

I actually really like the design. What I don’t like is it’s not random. Since it’s not random in a way it doesn’t actually make sense for them to even exist. Just make normal stairs lol

[naive rock]

The design is cool in and of itself but the way they are in the movies is just such a classic hallmark of HP at this point

[lucid coral]

Although I guess it could be said that having random stairs is impractical… I have a slight theory that all the crazy stuff (not Voldemort related) that happens at Hogwarts is intended as part of their education.

[naive rock]

Actual random staircases would be quite a pain in a game I think but they could implement the moving staircase with like a switch you could press or something.

[lucid coral]

Yeah. But I kinda like that the stairs might bring you to a secret/forbidden location. If I remember correctly isn’t that how Harry and Ron found the mirror that shows you what you want to see? I don’t think Hermione was with them at the time, but I might be thinking of something else

[spare rain]

I am missing that floor that was denied to students during Harrys first year, with the braziers that lit up and a door in the end with a cute animal inside

[lucid coral]

Sorry I forgot what the mirror was called

[naive rock]

I think Harry found that after being in the restricted section of the library

It was after he knocked over the lantern I think

[lucid coral]

Wasn’t there a hidden floor or something that the stair case took them too?

[spare rain]

yea

[naive rock]

Yeah it took them to the floor that was hiding the stone

[lucid coral]

What’s was that?

[naive rock]

3rd floor

[lucid coral]

Was that where the three headed dog was?

[naive rock]

Yeah Fluffy

[lucid coral]

Fluffy lol. That was his name

[naive rock]

He was guarding the entrance to the trials which resulted in the stone

[lucid coral]

Does that room exist in the game?

[naive rock]

Nah I don't think so

[spare rain]

by the by, I absolutely love we got to see the alchemist that made that stone in the Fantastic Beast series

Nicolas Flamel

[naive rock]

I haven't watched those. Any good?

[spare rain]

YES

[naive rock]

Incoming biased Hufflepuff opinion

[spare rain]

abso-lutely It helps you understand a lot of Lore aswell!

[lucid coral]

I didn’t see the one with Johnny Depp yet

[naive rock]

They 100000% need to make a Gaunt family HBO series

[spare rain]

I only chose Hufflepuff cause of its common room 😛

[lucid coral]

I watched the first one and third one. The third one was on HBO or something

[spare rain]

definitely not a true Huffle I think

[naive rock]

I think I would have actually been a Hufflepuff

[lucid coral]

It’s a very cozy looking common room

[naive rock]

I value integrity and honesty and love and all that more than anything.

[spare rain]

1st one was also with Depp right? dont remember if he even appeared really in the first movie

[naive rock]

Also I'm a good cook

I just like Slytherin cause it's cool

[spare rain]

but yes the Crimes of Grindelwald (2) is really great

[lucid coral]

I think in real life most ppl would be either Hufflepuff or Ravenclaw. Hufflepuff are salt of the earth type ppl and Ravenclaw are like good students. Few ppl are like hero/villain type ppl (sorry slytherin for calling you villains)

[naive rock]

I think a lot of people would be Slytherin these days. Everyone is obsessed with making money and being super ambitious.

[lucid coral]

lol maybe

[spare rain]

Id likely be a Ravenclaw, but dont want to associate with nerds, too big a nerd myself for that 😛

Just joking, just joking

[naive rock]

Few would be Griffs tho

[spare rain]

few are true Griffs indeed

[naive rock]

The common room would be like three gigga chads and that's it

[spare rain]

I question my courage, but apart from that really do follow that Griffindor style

and besides, who doesnt want a badger as their shield

[naive rock]

I would pretend to be a Ravenclaw just to spend more time with Luna

[vivid pier]

I think hero/villain is a very narrow way to look at the personalities of those houses

[naive rock]

Stop flexing Huff

[spare rain]

xD

[vivid pier]

hahahaha

I HAVE THE POWER

[spare rain]

Muihahahahaha we must rrruuule the world

lets form a bloodpact

[lucid coral]

I chose Ravenclaw at first because I was excited to see more about the house we get the least info on in the book. I think I still fit as Ravenclaw personally, but I didn’t go into the game wanting to be with the house I was most like. I am planning on playing all the houses eventually anyway. I am actually on my slytherin run right now. I am also playing a female character this time as I heard the voice actor of the female character does a great job (spoiler alert. She 100% does)

[spare rain]

wait

[naive rock]

I think your theory was right

[spare rain]

What did you just do @naive rock

has thou learned the spell of emotes?

[naive rock]

I stole the power as any true Slytherin would

Come to the undercroft maybe I'll reveal my secret

[spare rain]

You are somehow still "to be sorted", I guess Discord doesnt know its roles anymore

[lucid coral]

I have a theory that the real reason everyone was hiding Lunas clothes is… well… umm.. nevermind… I don’t want to get banned

[naive rock]

You guys ever think that getting to Salazar's secret room was literally the stupidest thing in the world? Like have those three torches really never been lit at the exact same time before? All the other torches in the castle are lit

[spare rain]

Well I dont particularly fancy hiding her shoes though

[naive rock]

Yeah but I noticed the emote wasn't counting as reacted so I reacted again

The creeps are thinking that if you hide her shoes then in order to be comfortable walking she would need to take off her socks. This is the creeps thinking, not me.

[spare rain]

wouldnt it be fun if one accidentally lost the power of emotes in the Choose your House chat

you'd be lingering as a ghost forever!

[naive rock]

Lol yeah but you can always add an emote once there's been an emote added already

[lucid coral]

I might be wrong but didn’t she say at the end of the movie that not just her shoes were missing and it’s staring to become a problem

[spare rain]

yup

she did find her shoes at the end though

[lucid coral]

Yep. Good thing too. Her feet were getting cold!

[spare rain]

I'm going to give you homework soon @lucid coral Though must rewatch ALL ze Wizarding World movies 😛

Starting with Crimes of Grindelwald

or with Fantastic Beasts 1

[lucid coral]

Oh boy lol

I watched the first Fantastic Beast and the third one. I missed the second one : (

I liked them both tho

[spare rain]

Youve missed Nicolas Flamel then

[lucid coral]

I know!

[spare rain]

We cant have that!

rent it on Youtube or Amazon Prime Video 😛

[lucid coral]

I know what happens, but i haven’t seen it. Maybe this weekend I’ll finally watch it

[naive rock]

Flamel dunks on Voldemort in the immortality game

[spare rain]

No Spoilers!

[naive rock]

Guy literally gets bored with life

[spare rain]

with your emote powers and your spoilers

[naive rock]

I think this is said in Harry Potter

[spare rain]

xD true

but still!

[naive rock]

I didn't even watch the movies how can I spoil anything lol

[spare rain]

you what not did ya?

Watch them now! Binge them!

Cerrrtainly the Fantastic Beast films, they are quite good

[naive rock]

This is like when I walked in on my coworkers watching the Haunting of Hill House and I said ||"let me guess the ghost is the girl"|| having never seen it

!<How do I spoiler tag>!

Or blacken rather

!>jfnsdjfn<!

Ok nice

[spare rain]

our little secret 😛

you can also still underscore things by using __ twice... but doesnt show up in the contextual menu when reselecting your text in the chat box

[naive rock]

Sweet it was nice talking to you. I've got to go get some work done, I'll be back to discuss various lore related business later.

P.S. Merlin had a time turner.

It's the only explanation.

[spare rain]

Does this work include watching movies? if not... How dare you!

I must also go to my beds, due to "work" tomorrow...

[dapper lark]

It’s work in the department of mysteries. They are not able to tell what it entails.

[spare rain]

maybe he did invent it?

[naive rock]

By work I mean split my soul and bind it to a ring

[spare rain]

ah yes, I might join in tomorrow!

[naive rock]

I would have thought you'd have been more into the Sorcerer's Stone route of immortality.

[naive rock]

Did anyone else bully the crap out of Puffskein Dunkein?

[lucid coral]

lol. I helped him

[naive rock]

Well you have to you’re ravenclaw

I laughed in his face

[lucid coral]

I told him he’s being ridiculous or whatever it was, but I still got him what he asked for

[naive rock]

Actually I tend to agree with the MC's reasoning for not giving it to him. He needs to not be a little B

[lucid coral]

I agree, and he shouldn’t be lying about going down there when he didn’t, but I gave him a break

If there was an option to make him come. I would have made him come and help

[modern moth]

Didn't give it to him either & I like the writing for MC's reasoning. Besides, if he's so terrified of puffskeins, what makes him think they all would believe that he really went down & a dark, forbidden area to retrieve a piece of a giant carnivorous plant?

[naive rock]

"I bet you recruited that new 5th year to grab that. Definitely something you would do, Puffskein Dunkein"

[flat zealot]

To be fair, phobias aren't necessarily logical. I know someone who is handling wild animals in the day to day (within a zoo, but still), but is terrified of dead mice. He doesn't care about dead rats, or hamsters. Nor about live mice. Just dead ones.

[naive rock]

Am I a monster for thinking some level of pure-bloodism should exist in the HP universe? Wizards need to preserve their existence, there's really not many of them. Does anyone know the chances a half-blood is born capable of magic? If it's over like 70% then it's really not a big deal. If it's under, then I think at least the sentiment should be that you should try to keep it within the magic community but if you happen to fall in love with a muggle it's fine.

Also does anyone know if you have a baby with a muggle does you kid have a bigger chance of not passing on the magic gene?

I really wish magic didn't require a gene to be honest. It's kind of stupid. Hence you get all sorts of wizards and witches who essentially have no place being magical; total oafs like Seamus for example. Being a wizard should require some level of intimacy with the inner workings of the universe. Not simply a gene which makes you able to harness intricate energies.

[frank jewel]

What do you mean? pure-bloodism does exist in the HP Universe. That's what the term 'pureblood' means. PURE blood.

[random moon]

Nothing really increases or decreases the chances.

The “magic gene” isn’t like regular genes and I’d argue it’s not really a gene at all in the traditional sense.

Two purebloods can have a Squib child even if their bloodlines are as pure as possible and then that squib child has a chance of someone in its subsequent disrespect bloodline being born with magic even if both their parents are muggles,

Muggles and wizards genetically are the sane thing, they’re both humans, there’s no difference beyond the fact one one can harness magic and the other can’t,

I think it goes a bit deeper than just a “magic gene” I think that’s just too simple a concept for it. It’s maybe a more easily digestible concept but I don’t think that’s exactly what it is.

We’ve eeen that soul fragments, without a physical body (and therefore nothing with a “magic gene”) can influence others and have a degree of magic themselves.

Tom Riddles diary was able to show Harry the memories it had. And talk to Harry and Ginny through writing. Even possessing Ginny to a degree and then draining her life force in order to give itself a physical form.

It could even speak to and control, the basilisk even though it was just a memory and had no physical body.

So personally, my theory is that magic isn’t a part if genetics, but a part if the soul itself, as split bits of soul can still influence and use magic to some degree.

[naive rock]

The soul is infinite and therefore has no qualities. My idea is that there is a gene which allows souls to find expression more, and magic is just an intimate wisdom of the workings of the soul/its relationship with the universe. This is why I think it's silly the way some people can be total morons yet still magical. To me this is just representative of the current scientific understanding of our Western world irl. Whereas in India there is a concept of magic but it is all about the infinitude of consciousness being ultimately the same as the universe itself, and when realized, can manipulate the universe itself just as the consciousness manipulates its own mind.

I do wonder what the chances are of Squibs in pure blood families vs half blood and then the chances of two muggles birthing a magical child.

[naive rock]

I meant that there is some level of justification for it.

[frank jewel]

Some characters do justify it

[naive rock]

Ok I am saying that the justification is warranted.

[frank jewel]

I would disagree, since the series really does show that whether or not you come from a pure-blood family really has no bearing on skill or power

Pure-blood ideology tries to say the muggle-borns are lesser somehow, but have never really been able to show any difference. If they really wanted to preserve the existance of witches and wizards, then surely allowing non-purebloods is essential.

[flat zealot]

It's close to 100%. A squib is already defining children of a single wizard and we know even then they are rare. I only found one example of squib from a wizard/muggle pairing.

[naive rock]

My idea is based on if pure bloods in fact do have a greater chance at creating magical children.

[naive rock]

Okay never mind then

[frank jewel]

Well there's no data on that other than the characters we know, and the gene still exists in people without magical abilities. That's how muggleborns come to be in the first place

[naive rock]

I came here trying to see if the theory had any basis

[flat zealot]

as is the whole idea of pure bloodism, but no statistics ever showed that. In fact, you'll find far more examples of squibs born from two pure bloods than any other group... As if there were some inbreeding issues... And that is despite most families killing their squibs.

[frank jewel]

So even if they had a greater chance for magical children, there would be no reason to limit it, since any couple could lead to multiple magical children down the line, even if they don't have a magical child of their own

[naive rock]

I think the truth behind the idea is that when the idea came about, muggles were very brutal to wizardkind, so some people developed a hatred toward muggles and anyone who associated with them. Then this got taken by the ignorant and twisted to something like "muggle borns are not as good wizards" which is obv not true. Sort of makes you think why such good wizards hold such an obviously false idea. Makes no sense really. But I have never heard anyone making the claim that mixing with muggles is bad because it lessens the chances of a magical child.

[random moon]

They often just cut squibs from the family tree entirely, disinheriting them and acting like such a travesty never happened.

A lot of pure blood families that might claim to have nothing but Pureblood ancestry probably have quite a few squibs that were erased entirely from any records and exiled from the family to avoid shame

[naive rock]

I think if there was a lessened chance at creating a magical child for mixed couples or for mixed bloods, then there would be a good argument for pure-bloodism even if it were still possible for magical children to be birthed by muggles. It's still fairly rare for that to happen, and there's something to say about keeping the wizarding community alive. Without a proper base of wizards then it would collapse. And muggle born wizards couldn't help with sustaining that in any real way.

[frank jewel]

I think the inbreeding would destroy them

[sleek perch]

The vast majority of wizards and witches are either half-bloods or muggle-born anyway
Pure-bloods make up a very tiny part of the whole tbh.

[frank jewel]

In the world of HP there were only like 7 actual pure blood families left

[sleek perch]

Aren't there 28 pure blood families?

[naive rock]

That's just Britain too.

[frank jewel]

idk, maybe I'm pulling some unrelated number out of my

[frank jewel]

You right, it's 28

[sleek perch]

28 families are still really not that many

[naive rock]

With teleportation it wouldn't be so hard to keep things pure.

Anyways this is all a bit beyond the point if there really is no credence to the idea that pure bloods produce magical children more readily.

Also it depends if a half blood is considered to be a pure blood genetically speaking or not.

[sleek perch]

Cross-breeding between wizards/witches and muggles existed for thousands of years really.

There's no way to return to the "old" days when every witch and wizard were pure.

So, this pure blood elitism doesn't make sense imo.

Should only members of 28 families be allowed to attend hogwarts?
The classes would be really small.

[frank jewel]

It's not something they can police either

[naive rock]

If half bloods were the same genetically speaking as pure bloods but simply a muggle and a wizard/witch had a lower chance of creating a magical child than a witch and a wizard then I think there would still be a good argument for it.

[sleek perch]

Last thing I want to see is an ethnostate for wizards and witches Lol

[sleek perch]

Clicked the wrong thing Lol

[naive rock]

The only policing would be a general attitude amongst the population that it should be the ideal aim. It doesn't even have to be based on ignorance or hatred either. Just a realization that in order to keep wizardkind alive, there needs to be a conscious effort to keep it in the wizarding world unless there is a deep love connection outside of it. This is all assuming the chances are significant enough to warrant this.

[frank jewel]

Why? Lower chance for creating a magical child doesn't matter. You have 28 families vs potentially millions of families. Even if they produce a magical child 1% of the time they would still out-child the purebloods

[sleek perch]

Half-bloods make up the majority of wizards/witches, then muggle-borns and then on last place are the pure bloods.
So; being pure isn't useful...you only get bragging rights really and a tendency to be an aweful person.

[naive rock]

The argument in the case of genetic sameness between half bloods and pure bloods would be changed to include half bloods in the pool of "pure bloods" so to speak.

[frank jewel]

But then it's not pure-blood any more

[naive rock]

The idea of pure blood would be different if this were the case.

[sleek perch]

When a half-blood and another half-blood have a child, the child would still be a half-blood.
I don't think you can return to pure-blood anymore after mixing with muggles.

[naive rock]

This is using the current understanding of things.

This idea is based on if the chances of creating a magical child are the same between half bloods and pure bloods. It shifts the conversation to be only about likelihood of magical children when talking about pure blood.

[flat zealot]

The 28 are just a list by Thaddeus Nott, though. Even when it was published, it was VERY controversial, as it was not exhaustive at all.

[naive rock]

The Potters aren't even included.

[sleek perch]

Being pureblood also has very little effect on magical ability as well.

Hermione was a muggle-born and she was basically a natural talent.

[naive rock]

Yes this is obvious. Which is why I advocate for switching the conversation to be only about birthing.

It also makes wizards like Voldemort seem overly stupid if he really did think pure bloods were better wizards.

Which is poor writing imo.

[flat zealot]

Depends on your definition, as the definition used by Voldemort is all 8 great grand-parents being wizards

[sleek perch]

I dunno.
It could work in a sense.
Perhaps he just suffers from internalized self-hatred...
There were jews who agreed with Hitler you know

[frank jewel]

Voldemort was stupid in some areas, like every other character in the books, he had very obvious flaws

[flat zealot]

Voldemort isn't following the ideology, just using it, IMO.

Pure bloods are easy to manipulate, as they are basically the extreme right wing, thinking they should get benefits from being pure bloods. They also are the most powerful politically.

[naive rock]

When something is so obviously true then you expect the best wizard in the world's beliefs to not go against it.

[naive rock]

Yes I agree.

[frank jewel]

Well Voldemort didn't experience anyone being better than him, so of course he'd think everyone, especially the people discriminated against, were beneath him.

us the readers see it clear as day with Hermione

but Voldemort was the best during his time at school, everyone liked him

[flat zealot]

Voldemort was a half blood, he wouldn't think pure bloods are better than him

[sleek perch]

Yeah it certainly helps being charismatic and good looking I think

[frank jewel]

He didn't, he didn't think anyone was better than him

I'm just explaining why Voldemort didn't think that Muggleborns could be better than him, when he didn't think anyone was better than him

[sleek perch]

He rather thought that everyone was beneath him...or perhaps he had a kind of inferiority complex because he tried to be the best to compensate for his muggle half.

[frank jewel]

I don't think he was trying to compensate

He was just angry at muggles, for making wizards hide. And he was angry at anyone who accepted that as okay. He thought they were weak, but he also thought wizards were weak, cause they allowed themselves to die.

[naive rock]

My point about pure-bloodism is that the way it is presented in the HP universe is just so ridiculously stupid. As if real live human beings would believe something so dumb. Especially people who have the power to tamper with subtle energies of the universe, which takes some level of intelligence you'd think was beyond such a dumb idea like the pure-bloodism in the books. My point is that it's ultimately bad writing. JKR should have given it a bit of a more justified rationale so that we're not here thinking wow all these people are so stupid. It gives more humanity to the bad guys.

Pure bloodism in the HP universe as presented in the books is literally like thinking that the sky is not blue.

[frank jewel]

But Voldemort would have no reason to think Muggleborns were not weaker, as he was consistently more talented than them, and the other people he was also more talented than him kept re-iterating how much weaker the muggleborns were

[naive rock]

He was a half blood himself and was the greatest wizard of all time bar Dumbledore. He would realize it's complete bogus. Plus what, he never met a muggle born that was a decent wizard?

[sleek perch]

I always thought that J.K.Rowling introduced the whole pure-blood, half-blood, muggle thing to work with the theme of racism but it really serves no other purpose because it's very inconsistent
Pure-bloods are stated to be more powerful but half-bloods and muggle-borns show equal or even better magical abilities.

So...it's really just a story device.

[frank jewel]

He would realise it, if he wasn't so self absorbed, so set on him being special. Voldemort didn't reflect on others. That's how he could do what he did both as a kid and as an adult.

That was his flaw, he thought he was better than everyone

Which ended up being his downfall

[naive rock]

Yeah exactly but my idea is just that it would have been better if she made at least a semi decent argument for pure-bloodism. The way things are it just makes the Malfoys looks really stupid.

[flat zealot]

You know, the same thing is being seen in many countries about other people's skin color or religion. It's not that it specifically doesn't make sense, it is that it makes exactly as much sense as wanting eastern europeans out of western europe. There are people who arrive suddenly in your community. They outnumber you wildly, and they have relatively no wealth of their own.

[naive rock]

Okay then my argument is that the progression of magical abilities is stupidly written by JKR because it apparently has nothing to do with subtleness or real intelligence at all.

[sleek perch]

Perhaps it's also a way to tell people that all of this just exists in the mind of pure bloods.
Perhaps they believe their own propagands just as much as racists in the real world believe theirs.

[naive rock]

That's true.

But the idea that I have complicates things of course because it throws the uncertainty of a real rationale into the mix.

[sleek perch]

If pure-bloods really were so much better and half-bloods and muggle-borns couldn't keep up no matter how hard they try it would kinda send a bad message I guess.

[frank jewel]

Magical skill is like any skill. If you practice you will be better at it.

[sleek perch]

Which is why they send everyone to school.
And like in every school, there are good students and bad students.

[flat zealot]

They are not dumb, they are afraid. They see their vision of the world slowly disappear, their traditions being replaced. That's why they are afraid.

And the idea that you have changes nothing, as your rationale is proven wrong. They are simply racists, and their racism is shown as even more stupid because of the "migrant" point of view that we have in the books.

However, their point of view is somewhat validated a few times, what with Hermione wanting to impose her views on the world in terms of slavery before even checking what impact that would have on said "slaves".

[naive rock]

It's true that there are people who genuinely think that white people are better than other races. The only difference is that in my opinion the focusing of magical abilities should have something to do with the intelligence of the wizard. So you see a bunch of really dumb people today being racist, but they don't have any intelligence at all, whereas a witch or wizard is supposed to have a base layer of intelligence requisite of being magically gifted.

[frank jewel]

Exactly, but just like in real school someone being bad doesn't mean they are less intelligent. It can be many reasons. Like Neville being pretty much useless until taught in a safe environment with his friends.

[frank jewel]

I don't think there's any pre-requisite of being intelligent to be able to do magic. Children perform magic accidentally without knowing it all the time

[sleek perch]

If that was the case, Ravenclaws would consistently be the best wizards

[naive rock]

This is why I said real intelligence. I mean something like an inherent connection to the subtleties of the universe's energies. This comes from a general gripe I have with the HP world as a whole. It seems to have no basis for magic at all. Just like some genetics or something.

[flat zealot]

there are plenty of quite intelligent racists, as well. Not all racists are dumb, as there are legitimate reasons to some form of racism. There ARE some statistics that you can show to prove that you shouldn't accept migrants, just as there are statistics that you can show to prove that you should accept them.

[frank jewel]

It is genetic

[sleek perch]

Well...let's just agree that J.K.Rowling kinda sucked at explaining what exactly determines magical ability

[naive rock]

There can be racists who are good with their minds at remembering facts, at solving riddles and forming arguments and the like. But no racist has real intelligence at all. Real intelligence is only the ability to be closer to truth/love.

[frank jewel]

But by looking at statistics that support their view, they are talking ‘truth’

[sleek perch]

It's really all over the place.
I believe it would be best to just say "The more you study and practice, the better you become."

[naive rock]

No because truth is much deeper than a simple statistic. It has to do with what all the statistics entail, etc. Basically real truth/intelligence is beyond the capabilities of the human mind.

It can be grasped at but not mastered by the mind.

To really be intelligent, you would have to be a complete combination of all the houses.

Perfectly in balance.

My opinion is really that the HP universe could have been so much deeper. It's kind of a shame but it does the job at giving people a sense of magic in their lives, which is sorely missing in today's day and age.

[flat zealot]

That's a very bold statement. Intelligence then depends, according to you, on your country of origin?

Because, to me, the classical definition of intelligence doesn't exclude racism. Quite a lot of the brighter minds of the 1920s were racists/eugenists, because on a species level, discarding the individual level, some amount of eugenism, while unethical, is optimal.

[naive rock]

Wait what? I think you misunderstood me.

Why would country of origin matter given what I said?

[sleek perch]

I once read a really cool idea of how to make every student be part of every house.

In the first 2 years, they are part of Hufflepuff to learn the values of loyalty, hard work and kindness, then they become part of Ravenclaw for 2 years to learn the value of learning, wisdom, knowledge and creativity, then they join Slytherin for 2 years to learn how to be ambitious, resourceful and cunning and the last year they will be part of Gryffindor to learn how to be brave and chivalrous.

Because let's be honest, every single house has great values that would be important for students.

[naive rock]

Yeah that is cool actually

At the very least it should have been the goal of the school to teach all the values equally and for the students to come together so to speak between houses.

[flat zealot]

because opinion and openness depends on the country of origin. Similarly, truth is not unique, sadly, as far as we know. You say intelligence is the capability to get closer to truth/love, but that doesn't hold, as some countries are more tolerant than others, hence you should be considered as more intelligent if you were educated there and given those values?

[sleek perch]

Yeah.
Instead of house pride, perhaps there should be a way to make all the students have school pride.
You know, they all attend hogwarts and they could all learn from one another instead of trying to beat the other houses every year.
This really just leads to division and animosity.

[naive rock]

Proximity to love has nothing to do with your country of origin. Everyone on earth has an equal chance at understanding true love. In fact that is the only point to life at all. That is what everyone's life is aiming at and what the process of life is achieving. Some people have more weight to wade through, and that is called Karma. But that has very little to do with your country of origin as all countries on earth are essentially equally ignorant just in different ways. It's not as simple as being in a country that is more tolerant. Truth and love is compassionate but it can also kill you. That is its nature.

[flat zealot]

I still think that your definition of intelligence is not the global definition of intelligence.
Therefore, if you want to use it properly, you would have to redefine it to avoid miscomprehensions

[naive rock]

Oh it's definitely not the average definition, but it's the true definition. As any sane person would realize love is the answer instead of, say, remembering facts that contribute to a theory conceived by an imperfect mind. So really a more developed and intelligent person would realize this. Hence intelligence is about love, not the mind.

[flat zealot]

On one hand, I do agree, on the other, it creates some competition. Maybe changing house every year, but with still 4 houses per year?

[sleek perch]

Love and empathy is what we actually categorize under emotional intelligence

[naive rock]

Modern western people have no idea what love is, really.

[sleek perch]

I think I have an understanding of what love is.

I believe that what I feel for my family members is love.

[flat zealot]

not really. That's your definition, which is not necessarily true. Some could say that the main goal in life is to improve the world around you for everyone, not just humans, and therefore be quite atrocious towards humans.

I don't think anyone or anything has come close to it yet. therefore, the definition we have to go to is the one that exists, which includes as intelligent some people that aren't included by your (cyclic) definition.

[naive rock]

Yes everyone has an inherent understanding of love. Sorry I meant like the western philosophers/scientists.

[naive rock]

There is no improving the world except through love.

[sleek perch]

Perhaps instead of having a house cup, maybe individuals could get points for being a good, well behaving student.

[sleek perch]

Oh I see.
Yeah I guess that's true somewhat.
For eastern philosophers, love is a far more important concept

[naive rock]

Yes there are definitely glimpses of true love in a relationship like that when the ego dissolves and you can meet each other in a state of love. But real love is usually thought of as beyond emotional love.

[sleek perch]

Beyond emotional love?
How can love be anything but emotional?
Can love even be separated from being an emotional feeling?

[naive rock]

Plenty of people have realized love in this world. Some examples include, Krishna, Rama, Ramakrishna, Jesus, Buddha, Vivekenanda, etc.

[flat zealot]

Not that sure about it. In practice, the professors want to have social pressure to prevent students from making dumb things.

[sleek perch]

Yeah that's true I guess.
But in real schools we also punish or reward students individually and most of the time it works.

[flat zealot]

I’m not about to debate philosophy/religion on discord with someone I don’t know nor care about much.

Because we both have our frame of reference for the world, and even aligning on that will take far more time than I’m willing to give, let alone agreeing on what that frame guides towards.

[naive rock]

Emotional love is just the human experience of love framed from a state of ego, which by its nature is separate from everything else. But love breaks down all the walls that separate us, so at the point of experience of true love, there really is no experience at all because there is no separation, and all experience is based on separation. What we call as emotional love is just a very limited experience of it felt through the ego.

[naive rock]

Okay that's fine.

[flat zealot]

But not all the time. Being a boarding school, they have to ensure that students have an interest in preventing others from causing chaos, as they are but 13 teachers for 350 students roughly.

[sleek perch]

Tbh, I have a hard time loving things that I'm unfamiliar with.
Be it people, places, etc...

I need to know something before I can make a conscious decision to love something.
Otherwise, saying that you "love all beings and the entire world" is an empty phrase because you can't realistically love everything.

[naive rock]

Yes of course, because that phrase would have been said through the ego.

Those people are pretentious.

[sleek perch]

True I think.
But they kinda shoot themselves in the foot tbh.
At least try to instill a spirit of being united under the hogwarts banner but people see themselves as part of their house first, and a student of hogwarts second when it should be the other way around

[naive rock]

The only argument I can see is that people are not ready to feel one with the whole school, so at least they get to feel that unity within their own house. And if you think about it, an unripened mind would only extend its prejudice to people outside of the school if a Hogwarts-wide pride developed.

Which would ultimately be the same thing.

I still think trying to instill some attitude of working through the values of each house would be valuable, as it would teach students to surmount their differences through inner growth, which they could take to their lives outside of Hogwarts.

[warped thistle]

Magically gifted and intelligent have a strong correlation? Say who?

[naive rock]

I just said it should if JKR knew anything about irl magical lore. Irl magic is connected to the idea that the universe is made of the same thing as consciousness itself. Therefore those who are competent at manipulating consciousness can manipulate the universe too.

[random moon]

They don’t

Neville was terrible at most thing, but excelled in Herbology, enough to become the future professor of Herbology as an adult.

And he came from a Pureblood family. Both his parents were pure blood

[warped thistle]

Are you still talking #lore of anything we can check or are you making stuff up now? Because it seems like the latter

[naive rock]

I’m talking about real life and saying I wish it were true in HP too.

[warped thistle]

There is no magic in real life

[naive rock]

All of life is magic

[warped thistle]

Magic is the suspension of physical laws.

[naive rock]

Nope

Anyways it hardly matters. We’re talking about the beliefs of essentially all the communities on earth that believe or believed in magic.

They all see it as some spiritual process which is innate to all people if only unlocked.

JKR’s idea of magic is quite juvenile imo.

[warped thistle]

Ok so for the sake of argument I'm putting on Amit's hat now and pretend to be you and agree with you.
"All life is magic"
"Magical ability strongly correlated with intelligence"
Therefore all living beings have magical ability and all are intelligent.

[naive rock]

It would mean those who dedicate themselves to the realization of true intelligence (see my explanation above) would be more magically inclined. That is if they value magical ability at all. Most people think it’s not important in those communities which do believe in magic irl.

They see it as something which is superfluous to the real aim of life.

[warped thistle]

So your problem among other things with HP lore is that squibs exist and that not everyone can learn to do magic?
Ok

[naive rock]

I’m not sure why you’re being rude but if I were to have a problem it would only be that the HP universe is a bit juvenile and modern in its understanding of magic. Whereas it could have been much deeper.

[warped thistle]

Ok. I thought I was just trying to summarize one of your critiques of the HP lore, and ask if I was accurate. I guess some see that as rude.
Sorry the books/movies weren't as deep as you hoped them to be I guess

[naive rock]

Okay maybe I misunderstood where you were coming from but it seemed like you were trivializing what I said.

[random moon]

I mean

They’re kids books. The magic isn’t going to be this super complex thing intricately connected to human nature or the idea if “true” intelligence

[naive rock]

There already is the idea of love being the most potent magic, etc. It’s just a matter of JKR not being the smartest person in the world really.

[warped thistle]

I wasn't trying to trivialize with my last comment, but admittedly before that, I was trivialising the view that all life is magic

[naive rock]

A lot of the inconsistencies in the lore can be attributed to JKR’s own ignorances. And we’re talking about the fundamentals of magical lore. I think a lot of the inconsistencies wouldn’t be there if JKR was the type of person to know about irl magic. Instead she just wrote a modern almost western scientific view of magic. Which as I said is fine because it serves its purpose as a source of inspiration to people but it would be nice to have something deeper. Especially I get this feeling when I see the glimpses JKR gives us into something deeper. Like the idea of love magic for example.

This isn’t to discredit her. What she’s written is still amazing and we’re all better off with this in our world.

[flat zealot]

magical lore isn't really unique, though.

So yeah, she is basing her ideas more towards western magic, because, guess what? She's from the western world.

As for what is magic? Magic is plural, by nature. Magic is basically all of the unexplainable. And that's why I don't like the concept of magic being called magic when it has rules. Those rules should always be avoidable/breakable, otherwise it, at some point, becomes science rather than magic.

[naive rock]

Magic is a science. It’s only called magic by those who don’t understand its inner workings. At least this is the view of people who believe in real magic irl. And by western I meant a modern western idea. If she had an ancient western idea (or at least as far back as when magic was believed to be real in the west) then it also would have been deeper. It’s just a juvenile understanding really.

[naive rock]

Also I’m not convinced you actually believe that. Because if magic was totally unexplainable/illogical there would be no basis from which this channel could exist.

[random moon]

This channel is for HP and HL lore

[naive rock]

Yes and HP magic is not totally unexplainable.

[lucid coral]

Ultimately it’s magic. By definition it’s not science at least not any traditional western science. It’s still fun to try to think of how to explain it with the scientific method, but the answer can be “it’s magic and that just how magic works”. Science can’t accept an answer like that.

[naive rock]

No real magician would accept that answer though.

It’s the same principles. If the magic is beyond the understanding of the wizard then he may say something like that. Just as a scientist would. For example many scientists just accept the Big Bang without any explanation. It’s just that we don’t know as of now. Same is true for magic.

[jovial dune]

just accept the Big Bang without any explanation.

That's not a thing. There's more data exploring the big bang than most people could read in a lifetime, and whole teams dedicated to studying it. It's not a "Just accept it without explanation" thing, lmao.

[naive rock]

There are many things that scientists accept that they don’t know for sure. To deny this is pure ignorance. The Big Bang is one of those things, because we don’t know everything about it. That doesn’t mean we’re not trying to understand it. Another thing is dark matter and physics on the quantum scale. There are many theories regarding these things but science hasn’t come to a total conclusion of what’s actually going on yet. This is all in line with how irl magic believers see magic.

You are being quite dismissive of me. Actually most of you are. It’s quite rude really. Just because I’m proposing some view which is different from yours. I don’t really get it beyond this.

[jovial dune]

To deny this is pure ignorance.

You are being quite dismissive of me.

Ok bud.

[naive rock]

Yes you get what you give buddy.

First rule of magic.

This was a response to your own dismissiveness.

[jovial dune]

While you are smugly dismissive of the entire body of knowledge that scientists have put together as "accepting without explanation" - which is grossly misleading to the point of being an outright lie.

In any case, I generally agree that in fantasy the important thing is internal consistency, and it would be interesting to have more details around things like the mechanics of the HP world's magic (is it like D&D with outer planes? Gods of magic? Chakra-type influence?) There's more flavors of magic through all fantasy than anyone could count.

That being said, in literature there's a lot of value to "Show, don't tell" and leaving "white space" for the reader to fill in the blanks. The novels indicate things like creation of new spells, creation of new potions - but the MCs never go through that process in their schooling, so we never get to see it. That's fine in the context of the story.

I think it's a bit like HP Lovecraft's writing in that what he doesn't elaborate on is almost more powerful than what is enumerated. It's much more powerful as a literary vehicle to leave the magic vague and unspecified, than it would be to drop a 100-page dissertation on the "Spheres of Magic" As long as it feels internally consistent, with just enough detail to move the story forward, it's pretty much perfect. Every additional detail is unnecessary fluff that makes the magic less magical, not more.

[lucid coral]

So Ominis is my favorite character in the game, and since he is a descendent of Slytherin. Does that mean he is also related to Voldemort? Like direct relationship? Possible even grandfather or something 😳

[random moon]

Most likely a great uncle

As Marvolo was Voldy’s grandfather and timeline wise, Marvolo would be older than Ominis

[lucid coral]

Actually the timeline is too short for grandfather… and Voldemort father was a muggle. Maybe Ominis is his uncle or something

It looks like Tom Riddle was born in 1926

Hogwarts legacy takes place in the 1890 something

Does anyone remember if Ominis ever mentioned his siblings. I think he mentioned a sister, but I might be confusing it with Sebastian (I know Sebastian definitely has a sister, but I think Ominis mentions his sister as well, but not positive)

[random moon]

Marvolo was his maternal grandfather.

And was he died in Azkaban anywhere between 1925 and 1928

So it matches up if he was an older sibling of Ominis as he’d fathered two children who where grown when he was first sent to Azkaban

[lucid coral]

Do we know the relationship between Omnis and Marvolo?

[dapper lark]

Probably very bad because that’s Ominis is the black sheep of the family.

[random moon]

Not explicitly beyond his family casting crucio on Ominis when he refused to use it on the Muggle victim they’d brought in.

And as Marvolo is very much into the Gaunt ideals… they probably didn’t have much of a relationship considering Ominis is practically estranged from them by his own choice

[paper lodge]

They're possibly cousins

[lucid coral]

He’s my favorite character : (

[dapper lark]

I like him too, but his family probably doesn’t as he’s not a pureblood sociopath.

[warped thistle]

Name one Scientist who publicly did that.

[naive rock]

That was not smugness at all. It's true that there are a lot of things the scientific community accepts as true but does not have a perfect explanation for. The BB is one of those things. You took that how you took it and made it into something bad. That's on you, not me.

[naive rock]

Anyone trying to explain anything fundamental to the universe. At a certain point of fundamentality you have to just accept things as they are and there's not much explaining you can do.

[warped thistle]

You are shifting the goalposts here from going "accept without any explanation" to "accept without having a perfect explanation".
Could have fooled some people nice try

[jovial dune]

👆

[naive rock]

First of all it's you trying to make this into an argument. You've been doing so the whole time. I just came here trying to explain my view of JKR's shortcomings in her idea of magic. How it could have been better, etc. There is no need to get defensive or offended or anything like that.

And no, there are things that they have no explanation for. Many things, in fact. I mean the nature of humans is such that they will always try to explain something. But a wrong explanation is akin to no explanation.

[sleek perch]

You guys are still at it?!

[jovial dune]

What else am I supposed to do? Work?

[naive rock]

No I stopped for a while and then came back

[warped thistle]

You must be replying to the wrong comment. You claimed many scientists would do X thing and my comment challenged you on naming one example of a scientist doing what you said.
Your reply isn't a name of a scientist.
Do you know why scientist accept the explanation of the big bang? It has to do among other things with what hubble discovered and how the big bang model predicts the ratios of chemical material that we find throughout the ubiverse. They don't just accept the model without any explanation like you first claimed.

[naive rock]

The fact that we're still talking about scientists, a minor point in this whole discussion, is so ridiculously stupid. You guys are so caught up on this because it seems you have identified a great deal of yourselves with science. I just said something in passing about the nature of magic and how communities who believe in magic generally hold a scientific view of it.

[naive rock]

Great well there are many things about the nature of the Big Bang that we don't know at all, like if anything came before it or not. And if nothing did, how in the world was something created from nothing? There are many things scientists don't know for sure yet still have opinions on or hold to be evidently true because of some other factor that leads that way. But there are many things that are contentious.

[warped thistle]

No one denied that there are things about a model we don't know. But your claim was much more far reaching than just that

[naive rock]

Not really actually.

[valid sail]

This feels so far from Harry Potter lore at this point

[jovial dune]

It's a significantly easier argument to have the Strawman of "Scientists," and to claim things they do without citation.

[flat zealot]

Could we just have someone close the topic?

Like I said earlier, I’m not here to talk philosophy/religion with some guy on the internet. On top of this, the link with HP is pretty much inexistant, starting from a derisive comment about JKR while adding a known false information to try to rationalise the pure blood fanatism.

This has both no real place here and just makes me, and probably quite a few other people, want to avoid the channel.

[naive rock]

Yeah it is only because they are so caught up on science.

[jovial dune]

May be a byproduct of some knob speaking out of turn with sweeping and incorrect statements

[flat zealot]

Your only point was saying that JKR’s magic is just shallow and modern westernal, therefore roughly valueless. Paraphrasing slightly your point.

[naive rock]

Then don't talk philosophy or religion with me. You people are pretty insane I'm not gonna lie.

[valid sail]

That's not ok

[naive rock]

What's not okay?

[valid sail]

Calling everyone insane

[naive rock]

You people attacked me far worse than that.

[valid sail]

That's just not ok

[warped thistle]

I'm a ravenclaw I like to argue. If I see something that I think is wrong I call it out. Either the person I'm arguing with is wrong, I'm wrong or we're both under a misapprehension and both wrong. But whichever it is, we are less likely to find it out if we just leave it unchallenged and undiscussed

[naive rock]

Don't be a hypocrite.

[jovial dune]

Do you own a mirror?

[valid sail]

It's not hypocrite to call out that it is not okay to call people insane

[warped thistle]

I challenged you on your claim I didn't insult you

[naive rock]

No what actually happened is you got caught up on the wrong thing entirely based on a misunderstanding, really.

How do you guys not see this behavior as insane?

This was such a good chat before all this.

[flat zealot]

Ok. I think this « debate » is just going to snowball at this point. Could we just leave it here, and close it? None of you are going to change your point of view, and the only real possibility besides that that I could see to make this channel once again about its topic, i.e. HP lore (and more specifically HL related lore) would be to ask a moderator to redirect the conversation, forcibly if needed…

[valid sail]

This is not what insane means nor imply

[naive rock]

I brought no negativity at all to this chat.

[warped thistle]

Name one wrong belief that I espoused.
There was no wrong thing I got caught up on, there was something wrong with what you said and I chose to challenge you on providing an example to support your claim, which you refused

[valid sail]

Calling people insane and hypocrite is negativity

[topaz verge]

Ok, so idk what happened, but this already feels like too much. Debate or not, it's not nice insulting each other and blaming the other for stuff they might or might not have done... Right now you guys are on a public chat, so either stop altoghether(or whatever it is written) or continue this in a private conversation

[warped thistle]

Ironic how I never insulted you, just argued with some of your points. You literally call my behaviour insane and pretend you're better than me in this conversation.
Ironic

[naive rock]

Nothing was wrong with what I said. What was wrong with you was that the point I was making was that magic communities are scientific, and you got caught up on the small point I made that even some scientists make claims based on things that have no good explanation [yet]. This was such a minor point it's not even funny, because a true magician would never even do this. There are all sorts of different scientists I am not sure why you think they are all great just by nature of them being scientists.

[naive rock]

Literally this whole time you have been thinking that I am some dumb idiot insane person. It's so very clear. You can't come here with that energy and then expect someone not to say anything.

[warped thistle]

Never said all scientists are great. Nice diversion. Also very good faith summary of what happened 😌 👌

[daring spire]

Stop

Youre both behaving like children

[naive rock]

You implied all scientists are flawless, actually. Because you couldn't imagine a reality in which a scientist made a claim on something that had no explanation.

[warped thistle]

Quote one of my comments that prove what you just said. You are hardcore projecting here

[daring spire]

If you wanna fight fight in your dms

[serene ibex]

Lets leave this conversation be and move on

[flat zealot]

Ok. Sorry for them, but could a <@&755190193367023772> come here stop the debate BEFORE it degenerates too much and both of you need to get banned?

[warped thistle]

I didn't imply that.

[serene ibex]

Im going to look back and take a look. But if you want to debate any further, take it to DMs

[flat zealot]

Sorry Swift, clicked on enter as you arrived

[serene ibex]

Youre all good

[river sand]

I didnt even know this was an active channel

[daring spire]

Its sometimes active

[torpid mauve]

Wish this job earned 1300$ per hour lol

[jovial dune]

I think the 'S' word needs to be banned from this channel 🤣

[valid sail]

Slytherin? 🤔 😂

[daring spire]

Which s Word we talking bout here

[flat zealot]

Science

[jovial dune]

I mean, Slytherin ought to be banned from most things. 👏

[daring spire]

Wow

[naive rock]

This is how they treat us Zeina

[jovial dune]

[naive rock]

I definitely know not to mess with the scientists. They're almost as bad as the religious folk.

[serene ibex]

This seemed like a well you can't even explain science conversation - that kinda philosophical discussion unfortunately does not belong in this chat. Even if magic is likened to it, it eggs on too real to be in the HL spoilers section lol

[torpid mauve]

you actually read it 😂

[daring spire]

The commitment

[topaz verge]

Dude, I just tell you this

Both the scientists, religious folks and other people you could think of are bad IF they get extreme.

[naive rock]

Swift your sims are dying as you read

[serene ibex]

Its paused

[topaz verge]

Even I didn't had this commitment to read all the chat, wow

[naive rock]

Yeah definitely. Everyone gets very defensive if you say one small thing which can be construed as wrong.

[valid sail]

Can we stop

[naive rock]

I literally only wanted to talk about magic

[daring spire]

Yes so why are we still talking bout this

[serene ibex]

Hello yes please stop with the real life debate as i mentioned above

[torpid mauve]

🍿

[naive rock]

I just replied to someone.

[serene ibex]

magic in HP is uh soft magic, so it has no real explanation other than just being ~magic~

I personally prefer hard magic stories

[fiery pilot]

fun fact, popcorn doesn't taste as good in the ban bin or mute corner, best to listen to the guidance by Swift

[naive rock]

Same that was the gist of my argument. Any suggestions?

[serene ibex]

But ~magic~ gives you a lotta room to move which is also nice. Plot armour

[modern moth]

guys i need help in one of the hogwart quests uhhhh

[serene ibex]

Would recommend asking in either #‼-spoilers-general-‼ or #1063582649647628409

[modern moth]

thanks

[naive rock]

Does the quest have to do with the epistemological nature of science and magic? If not then it doesn't belong here.

[flat zealot]

This might not be the best channel for that at the moment. Tag me in your question in #1063582649647628409 , I’ll try to help you

[topaz verge]

Yeah, because magic is just ✨ magic ✨

You can't really explain with scientific stuff a lot of things there because you can always think and say somethung out of air that would work and therefore it won't ever stop lol

[naive rock]

Yeah that’s really the main problem with HP magic imo.

[tiny flower]

What does “bendy flexibility” mean when pertaining to a wand?

[serene ibex]

I think it means like your own personal flexibility to change

If you mean in terms of what it represents about you

[flat zealot]

Wand flexibility or rigidity denotes the degree of adaptability and willingness to change possessed by the wand-and-owner pair – although, again, this factor ought not to be considered separately from the wand wood, core and length, nor of the owner’s life experience and style of magic, all of which will combine to make the wand in question unique.

According to wizarding world

[tiny flower]

So basically it’s how easily you’re able to connect with the wand?

[flat zealot]

Not that clear cut, to be fair.

It’s more the adaptability of the wand, both to changes within yourself and to changes of who use it. I would expect some woods to be mostly rigid, like elder.

[tiny flower]

So it has nothing to do with the physicality of the wand? Cause when I saw “bendy” I was like “does that mean by wand is all wobbly when I flick it” lol

[simple swift]

the wood will be slightly more or less bendy to reflect the characteristic of the wand and owner and their ability to change their views and perspectives

[naive rock]

Is this true for the game? I never noticed if bendy wands are actually more bendy in game.

[tiny flower]

I’m getting differentiating views I’m lost lol

[simple swift]

it won’t make a difference in game no

[simple swift]

everyone’s telling you the same thing lol

[tiny flower]

So is it bendy?

[naive rock]

Not in game but in lore

Does anyone know if they stain wands in the HP world? Or paint them.

[tiny flower]

Ohh I don’t like that very much

“wand flexibility, otherwise known as rigidity, “denotes the degree of adaptability and willingness to change” for both the wand and user.” I don’t see anything saying it’s bendy

[simple swift]

‘wand flexibility’

the more flexible the more ‘bendy’

[tiny flower]

Ok I like more sturdier wands

[naive rock]

I wonder if the sturdier wands choose wizards who are more established in truth because they’re less likely to change as a result. Hard to say because they are also more willing to change if need be.

[flat zealot]

I’m sure you do 😉

More seriously, both are true, i.e. according to Ollivanders, physically bendy wands are more adept at adapting to different circumstances

[lucid coral]

Willingness to change vs strong in their convictions

[worldly gyro]

And then there's "Too stubborn to be classified into any category what so ever"

[tiny flower]

Blackthorn, Hawthorn, or Ebony wand?

[modern moth]

Certainly. Harry's wand is made of holly wood, which is pale beige/cream, but Harry's is dark brown in the movies at least. Even in-game, wand appearance doesn't necessarily looks like the original wood.

[dapper lark]

Wand makers probably keep their production methods secret so no one else can make wands.

[modern moth]

It'd be interesting if we get wand crafting lore.

[vernal mountain]

Nah i always figured it wasn't so much of secret as much as it was um.... whats a good comparison... like a artisan who erects perfectly mirrored marble statues of people. It takes years of learning to master and years more to perfectly envisage a person, it's not a skill you could just pick up in a one day. At the same time there aren't any minor marble statue artisans on the market because the people able to afford it wouldn't settle for shoddy craftsmanship, the same way the quinticential wand wouldn't be accepted at a lesser level ( even though Grogorovitch has lesser quality wand cause he uses weaker cores). I'm sure Ollivander would tell you exactly how he makes wands if you asked him enough you would just be terrible at it either way.

[river sand]

why does Natty say wandless magic is just as powerful as magic with a wand? Are wands just a big scam made up by big wand companies to drive up prices so CEO Olivander can get a bigger bonus? but no really though, even goblins or was it elves are not allowed a wand in fear of their power being to great or something right?

[tiny flower]

Natty can go kick rocks. Ominis and Sebastian are where it’s at

[warped thistle]

Because Natty is naïve

[lucid coral]

I tried to like Natty. I just couldn’t get into her character.

[valid sail]

I don't do well with characters that are into ||self loathing and blaming themselves|| and things of the sort either

[naive rock]

It's probably harder to master wandless magic, but when mastered, it's just as good.

[lucid coral]

Is that official? Can wandless magic be just as powerful as magic with wands?

[naive rock]

No I'm just guessing.

[lucid coral]

kk

[worn ridge]

i feel like it's more just cultural norms

wands are just the way everyone knows how to do it in england, and there's no need to change it so it goes on. Whereas in africa maybe it's just typical for wizards to do it wandless

[flat zealot]

There is a semi official validation, though. Wandless magic is as powerful, just less precise/crafty. It is more instinctual, not necessarily harder to learn, but harder to manipulate in precise ways...

[warped thistle]

Assuming this description is accurate, then in overall terms it is less powerful.
Like when you choose a gun in an FPS game and you compare two of them based on their stats, even though the two may have the same damage per round and same fire rate and all the other stats being the same, if one of them has higher stats in accuracy and handling, overall it will be the better weapon.

[naive rock]

But who is to say it can't be mastered by someone and then be just as accurate? I would also imagine it would be more intuitive to handle.

[warped thistle]

I don't know who to say it is. Fendalynn just said it and I took their word for it tentatively.

[vivid pier]

JK herself had some ideas ("It depends entirely on the individual witch or wizard!") https://culturess.com/2016/03/12/j-k-rowling-clarifies-wandless-magic-details/

[feral forge]

voldemort was never that powerful, his only arguable feats are making horcruxes and controlling fiendfyre, and that glass thing in the ministry, like all he ever does is use killing curse, never anything that requires skill

[naive rock]

Wouldn’t snape have known who the marauders map was referring to when he caught Harry with it in the hallway?

[random moon]

In the books he also altered the memories of Morfin Gaunt so he believed he’d killed the Riddles and had him framed for the murder

Memory alteration is really advanced and difficult stuff, especially to do it so thoroughly

[feral forge]

true

[random moon]

He also managed to achieve unsupported flight. Something no other wizard has ever managed to do successfully.

[feral forge]

also I wonder if his charm was magic?

[random moon]

Not even Dumbledore

[feral forge]

snape could do that

[random moon]

Because Voldy taught him how

[feral forge]

i thought you were born with the capability to do that, bit like how our HL character has to hone their ancient magic

[random moon]

But Voldy was the first and only one to discover how to accomplish it and only taught Snape

[random moon]

Unsupported flight?

No

It’s a kind of magic only Voldy managed to crack. Many witches and wizards have tried over the centuries and none ever managed to crack it

[rare knot]

It wouldn't surprise me if it was some kind of magic found in other parts of the world, but as far as Britain is concerned - only Tom is known to have managed it.

Which is a shame really and makes me wonder why Dumbldedore never could.

[vivid pier]

Is there a source on this? Voldemort + Snape explicitly doing it it vs no one ever doing it before feels like an important distinction. The language in one of the wikis (also no source) says "Sometime prior to 1997, Tom Riddle succeeded where most other wizards had failed and managed true flight." (emphasis mine)

I'm also not sure that we know Dumbledore couldn't, just that he didn't? My self-argument goes: "well he fell off a tower" "yes but he let himself be killed so of course not"

[jovial dune]

Voldy confirmed noob

[worn ridge]

He was already dead when he was falling

[worthy trench]

LV is an extremely powerful wizard and is acknowledged as such by AD himself. Indeed AD said his most powerful protections minus Fidelius Charm likely won't hold if LV came back to full power.

He had the talent and skill to be more versatile in his magic in combat but he just mostly relied on the killing curse cos it was a OHK spell usually and he ignores or forgets bout magic that would be useful to him if he knew its full workings or more in depth stuff cos he doesn't understand nor care to understand love and his racism makes him overlook it in the case of House elf magic. And as someone said he discovered a means to achieve unsupported flight though JK noted on twitter a witch/wizard of sufficent skill could do it.

Thats one area where GG surpasses him imo. GG while also displaying the trait of ignoring the magic of things he considers simple, has more knowledge of deeper aspects of magic than LV does it seems and is more versatile in combat in comparison to him.

I do put GG above LV in raw power and skill though when it comes to magic overall.

[vivid pier]

Ahaha fair

tries to anticipate objections
instead raises different, off topic objections 😂

[warped thistle]

Who is GG

🤔 Gilderoy Glockhart?

[lucid coral]

Any theories/evidence on whether Dumbledore thought Sirius Black was innocent?

Dumbledore usually has good instincts on stuff like this

[worthy walrus]

I think he meant Johnny Depp's, Colin Ferrell's, and Mads Mikkelsen's character in Fantastic Beast franchise

[warped thistle]

Ah Grindelwald I see

[modern moth]

Natty is okay but she's so boring except maybe in the last quest

[worthy trench]

No indication he did. He had no evidence to indicate he was until he heard so from the Trio (which wasn’t hard evidence as he noted) and he realised a time loop was in play and had to be taken care of.

It unknown when he realised the loop was happening but he seems to have realised while it was going on at Hagrid’s house or just before or after that.

We just know he copped on their was time travel going on

[worthy walrus]

can someone explained to me about the elder wand? idk if wiki is a good source but according to it, the elder wands owner keep changing when the owner either got defeated or killed by another wizard, however how did harry able to get the elder wand(as in does it follow his orders?)from voldy when voldy himself when he does it, the wand started to crack, and also since dumbledore has the elder wand before, so does it more make sense that snape may be the one who gets them(or will be obeyed by the wand) cause he is the one who defeated/kill him(Albus)

[worthy trench]

no he won it when disarmed draco in malfoy manor. and refused to kill or harm him when it was used on him by voldy. he is the current master of it

[naive rock]

Voldemort thought that wands transferred only when one wizard kills the other iirc.

What a fool

[worthy trench]

a mistake to be sure, but an expected one

[naive rock]

This is why wandless magic is superior

None of this nonsense

[worthy trench]

well wandless does have an advantage of not backfiring on you when you cast spells with a wand of elder. the tradeoff is you won't get the amplification effect of the elder wand (which is currently unique to that wand only)

[naive rock]

Plus who wants to be reliant on something exterior to you? If I was in the HP universe, I'd be the biggest wandless magic proponent.

[worthy trench]

well most in europe can't do it nowadays due to reliance

[frank jewel]

Pretty sure it didn't refuse to kill him or harm him, if that was the case the entire last final battle had no stakes

[naive rock]

Down with big wand

[worthy trench]

It did. It would not perma harm him and would not kill him directly if used on him.

indirectly you can defo kill him with it

[frank jewel]

I'm pretty sure it would

The wand isn't that special, it's just a bit more powerful than other wands

[worthy trench]

it wouldn't you AK the master of the wand, no dice. it won't do it.

it will backfire most likely or just leave the master with a very painful after-effect as HP found out. or just staight up refuse to cast it

wouldn't even crucio him

you can explode the area in front of him sure and that'll prob kill him cos expolosions of sufficent size will kill you

[frank jewel]

I'm pretty sure Harry was still hurt by the crucio, and could have very much died from the avada kedavra cast at him

it wasn't the wand that saved him

[worthy trench]

He wasn't hurt by it. he notes it himself when LV does it on him.

LV just can't kill him directly due to the protection. It won't save him from pain spells as demoed in GOF when LV crucios him with his own wand

EW mastery was the deciding factor in the final duel. The forest is according to JK just down to their choices being why HP survived or rather was allowed to go back.

But their duel in the hall at the end was just down to HP being the wand's master.

[frank jewel]

You're right he wasn't hurt by it, though I do not thing it was related to the EW, since the EW really isn't that special that it can block this kind of stuff. All the hallows are just slightly more powerful objects than normal. Not some super objects

More likely it was because of Harry's sacrifice

since Voldemorts spells didn't work on anyone else either

[worthy trench]

Ya may be right on the crucio but counterpoint would be HP had protection from LV already through their shared blood protection in GOF still to some degree and it did not stop crucio with his own wand from hurting him.

But the EW is more powerful and unique than any other wand in the lore so far so its not out of possibility that it won't directly cast a spell on its master that will harm them. Only JK can confirm or debunk

[frank jewel]

True, I just don't think the elder wand was as special as people think it is. And I definitely don't think it would have the power to stop AK

It's rumored to be more powerful and unique at least

but it wasn't unbeatable

nor was the invisibility cloak truly invisible

they were just slightly better versions

Like Dumbledore says, he doesn't think the hallows were actually made by death, but rather special magical artifacts made by the 3 brothers

[worthy trench]

well I put it down to just what the text in the book implies to in the hall before the final duel which is the wand wouldn't kill him directly cos he was its master. and we already know its more powerful than other wands cos it can repair utterly broken wands, something that was believed impossible by modern wizards and are not able to do with any other wand.

the invisibility cloak did make one visibly invisible by normal human sight, its true power was, it didn't age overtime and the effect wear off and a spell or some spells used on it directly would not effect it seemingly.

othewise its beatable by any spell usedon the wearer of the cloak or by the senses of an animal or a charm used to see hiddenpeople.

and the stone is unique in that no known other item can do what it can do. so that one has a leg up on anything else in the lore.

[frank jewel]

I've read and listened to the book many times, and I never got that from any of the text. Do you mind sharing the exact phrasing that suggests it? I'd love to reconsider my stance

[frank jewel]

Madeye's eye saw straight through it, and spells definitely affected Harry under it. He was stunned at least twice while under the cloak.

Granted, Mad eyes eye also saw through clothes, but unless the eye itself is some crazy magical artifact, I can only assume that a decent spell could make someone be able to see through that cloak.

So the cloaks only power then, is just being very durable

The stone is just kind of a 3D painting, paintings already have some resemblance of sentience, technically allowing you to speak to dead ones even after they pass. Much like with the stone though, they aren't truly there, nor are they truly themselves.

And the 'unebeatable' wand was beaten by Dumbledore in his duel against Grindelwald, as far as I know.

So seems it just granted a bit more power, so any talented wizard could beat it still

So as magical arifacts they are all just kind of slightly better versions of other things

[vapid zealot]

Isn’t that Frey I see?

[frank jewel]

Yeh it's Frey

[warped thistle]

What does that mean?

[vapid zealot]

I like Frey. Playing Forspoken got me really good at playing Hogwarts legacy.

[warped thistle]

I think the way the book talked about the cloak it was truly invisible, and it wouldn't wear down with time like other invisibility cloaks.

[frank jewel]

Yeah but some magic could see through it

So it wasn't 'truly' invisible

[warped thistle]

Yea but it is invisible in the sense that there are no visual effects you could detect like from a disillusionment charm only special eyes like mad eyes that can see invisible things could detect it

[frank jewel]

Yeah then that begs the question, how special was mad eyes eye

[vapid zealot]

I think the invisibility cloak Harry got is special.

[warped thistle]

Even Hermione had to admit that, at the same time when she doubted the hallow's existence

[frank jewel]

It's special in that it doesn't get any wear and tear

[warped thistle]

I think it is also special in how invisible it is. It is implied that the other cloaks aren't 100%

From demiguise hair or how it was called

[frank jewel]

They are, they just get wear and tear and lose their invisibility after a while. At least that's how I interpreted it when they talked about it in the books

[warped thistle]

Ah I stand corrected. I read up the chapter and it says that Dumbledore was so powerful he could produce a disillusionment charm that made him completely invisible. So it is the wear and tear thing, and maybe how light the material is.

[jovial dune]

Lots of interesting questions about Mad Eye considering a lot of our exposure to him as a character is not actually him

[frank jewel]

If his 'fake' persona was good enough to fool Dumbledore I'm gonna assume it was pretty accurate to how mad-eye actually would behave. But I agree for sure, it's a bit odd how in the 5th book he's just treated like a character you know, when you really don't

[jovial dune]

Right. My fiancée and I were talking about learning the unforgivable curses in the game, and I thought "Well I mean, Mad Eye knows them..." And then went, "Oh wait, but does he really know them? Would he have used them in a classroom setting??" lol

[frank jewel]

I feel like he would probably would, but yeah it's just gonna remain an unanswered question

[jovial dune]

Yeah, generally I think aurors probably know, and just don't use, the unforgivables?

They kinda have to in that line of work, one would imagine

[warped thistle]

I think I vaguely remember that during the Barty Crouch Senior era they did, but then stopped after that

[dapper lark]

A “license to killbe forgiven”

[flat zealot]

I confirm that they got the green light to use said green light.

Moreover, it is extremely likely mad-eye would know and be able to cast all three unforgivables, but far less likely that he would have used them in class.

[dapper lark]

Teaching people to resist Imperio does seem like a good idea imo. It is a defense class after all.

[worthy trench]

Ik. I said this. Cloak isn't effected by any spells that are cast on it, it seems. It won't protect the wearer from a spell that is cast on the wearer like a killing curse. But it will not be affected by a spell that is specifically affecting the cloak only like Accio cloak.

[worthy trench]

That he realized there was time travel going on. That's literally what my comment said. I just misspelled "there" but the context makes it obvious what I'm saying.

[worthy trench]

Not like the stone. The paintings can only tell you what they are thought and learn on their own in lore. There are limits to that. They are also not the actual souls. Not even real. Just copies with some degree of sapience. The soul summoned back by the stone don't have those limits since they seem to know things they were not present for and are the real deal.

[worthy trench]

We know that. As did Emeric the Evil. The wand has never been unbeatable but it is more powerful than any other known wand in lore.

[warped thistle]

Ok I see. Wasn't obvious to me. Didn't know what copped meant too until I googled it.

[worthy trench]

Its ok. Ur good. I guess they don't use that term where you live then. We tend to use it here as another word for realize etc.

As for LV, there's no indication HP is protected by sacrifice protection against LV directly at that point to me. It came down to the wand ownership from what I read in text. Cos HP would not overpower LV in a straight duel without shenanigans, no offense to him.

[frank jewel]

He already did it before, twice without being the owner of the elder wand, no?

[warped thistle]

Harry has like tripple protection. First it was his mother's sacrifice (which Tom went around by taking his blood for his new body in the goblet of fire), then when the wand chose him, the twin cores didn't want to hurt each other, and on top of that at the end he also was protected from the elder want by being its master.

I think without those 3, Tom would beat him in a duel, but that doesn't really say much since Harry was still a student.

[frank jewel]

but even before, without the twin cores, and without the elder wand, he fought him off at the start of Deathly Hallows while trying to get to he Weasleys

I mean he very much says it wasn't him, but his wand

[stark atlas]

The twin cores were destined because as the wand chooses the wizard which means they made an infinite amount of wands and as they get sold new ones from the back of the shelf come out for the new wizards(if that makes sense)

[worthy trench]

Yah his wand recognised Voldy and acted on its own. Shenanigans saving his life again. When it comes down to it, Voldy is just more powerful when it comes to raw potential and power and skill with magic. In a straight duel with no plot armor, HP loses to him imo. He's just not on LVs level. He's an above average wizard but he's not in top league of most powerful wizards/witches in lore.

[frank jewel]

Yeah I didn't mean to imply he was stronger, just that he didn't need the twin cores or the elder wand to be able to pull something that would let him win in a battle against Voldy

[worthy trench]

Well I don't think he can beat LV in a straight out fight anyway without some sort of shenanigans, and each time he was saved by them. Which implies he needed shenanigans to beat him. That thing were HPs wand acted on its own only happened once. Why not every other time HP fought with his Holly Pheonix feather wand? Like would that happen everytime he fought LV when LV used any wand that wasn't his own wand or the EW? What if LV was the master of the EW? Would HPs Holly wand have pulled shenanigans there? Even if it did, I don't think that trick would have worked on the EW. But we'll never know. Like I wonder would HP have died in Depot of Mysteries if LVs AK had landed and AD not used a statue to block it. Or would HP survive that one, and then the ADs plan regarding that Horcrux be no longer needed and he'd have to start talking about things months earlier regarding his belief LV had Horcruxes? We'll never know.

[modern moth]

is merlin stronger than slytherin?

[warped thistle]

Hard to tell, I'm leaning towards Merlin though. Salazar Slytherin was one of the founders so probably quite powerful and naturally talented, his descendants got a special gift.
But on the other hand Merlin was so legendary and exceptional that to this day people use him for speach mannerisms in Britain like instead of "oh my god" they say "by Merlin's beard"
He is like the wizard that everyone seems to know even muggles, that is saying something.

[sick night]

Tom Riddle vs Gellert Grindelwald is a fight I would love to see.

[worthy trench]

GG I give it to

[lucid coral]

I wouldn’t be surprised if Voldemort was more powerful than Salazar.

[warped thistle]

Yea me neither. Voldemort studied alot. And he probably got the benefit of studying some magic that was developed and written down after Salazar's time. And the thing where you'd have to kill him more than just once also gives him an edge ^^

[flat zealot]

That is the main reason I believe this.

Salazar Slytherin lived a long time ago, and probably would miss some knowledge due to that.

[lucid coral]

I guess it also depends on when ancient magic was not ancient but common. Ancient magic appears to be very powerful. If ancient magic was used around Salazars lifetime he might have the upper hand

[flat zealot]

They say Hogwarts was build by a powerful and forgotten form of ancient magic. That’s literally what Fig says the first time he talks about it while you are getting to Rackham Manor on the coast after the portkey

[lucid coral]

.

.

Nope it said built by and stronghold of ancient magic

You were correct Fendalynn

[blissful ginkgo]

If I translate the text from my localized version back to English it would be something like, it was built with the help of some forgotten magic. Translations can sometimes change the meaning a little. About Ancient Magic, don’t forget it is only mentioned in the game.

Thinking of it like speaking with snakes isn’t something every wizard can do, this kind of magic would be some rare talent.

Maybe the founders just heired a guy who could do it for them?

[lucid coral]

I found the last part funny

[blissful ginkgo]

Yeah it sounds funny but where is it written, that a founder of anything must build all by him self? Anyway what I wanted to say is, we don’t have any clear proof, that they could or couldn’t. 😉

There are also other schools for magic around the world. Story focuses most of the time around the wizard’s world in Great Britain. We don’t know much about other regions so far.

So there is a possibility, that this ancient magic is still practiced somewhere in the world, but they keep it a secret. Or all the Users were whipped out in some war between mages

Other Question, there is a Spell which let you turn into an Animal. There Spells for changing hairs and so on. Are there ways to change your appearance permanently? Like Skingcolor, high or something more extreme?

[warped thistle]

I think there may be a curse like that. Wasn't that how Nagini became a snake? I don't remember whether it was fully explained in fantastic beasts but I think it was implied it was a curse that one day she will not be able to transform back.

or maybe it was a condition she had

Ah I looked it up. It was a condition that she had from birth (maledictus)

[blissful ginkgo]

Oke, but nothing done willingly like I have to do an undercover job for this I change my whole appearance permanently

[worthy trench]

Ancient Magic in HP lore in books and Pottermore/canon media is only mentioned in these ways - During Gormlaith Gaunt's attack on Ilvermorny School, Isolt Sayre and her husband were awakened from a magical sleep by the power of Love when their twin daughters started to cry (Pm).
Dumbledore's protections around Harry were connected through his mother's blood to his only living relatives, the Dursleys. (GF33,OP37)
Lily's sacrifice of herself for Harry created a protection Voldemort could not break through. In fact, the sacrifice infused his skin with that love and Voldemort and Quirrell when under Voldemort's control couldn't even touch him. (PS17) Voldemort made a mistake by using some of Harry's blood to resurrect himself because it meant that while he could touch Harry without fear, he also couldn't kill him (GF32,DH35).
Dragons have thick hides full of Ancient Magic, "which none but the most powerful spells can penetrate" (GF20).

Ancient Magic as portrayed in the game is unlike any magic seen in canon and is based off the little is said of it in canon.

Hogwarts Castle was said to have been built by and was itself a stronghold of ancient magic, defended by countless ancient protective enchantments.[3][4] - OOTP and HBP

So the game uses that in its story to have it be related to its version of Ancient Magic.

Also since some of Merlin's trials are also found near some Ancient Magic hotspots and are sensed by the MCs Ancient Magic sense, it implies Merlin made his trials with Ancient Magic or knew of it at any rate (also he speaks of Ancient Magic in HM and is the first to do so in the game and in Portkey games lore) and we know Salazar predates him in lore which suggests Salazar himself may know of it at least along with the other Founders.

[worthy trench]

Some family may have been transformed into some dangerous unique monsters in lore but its unclear if they used to be humans or not.

[flat zealot]

It is very clear for the Quintapeds

[worthy trench]

yes those guys

[flat zealot]

One fateful night, the family heads, Dugald McClivert and Quintius MacBoon, engaged in a drunken wizard's duel, which resulted in Dugald's death. In retaliation, the McCliverts later crept up on the sleeping MacBoons and turned every one of them into monstrous five-legged beasts. The McCliverts realised too late that they had only made the MacBoons more deadly. Resisting desperate McClivert attempts to untransfigure them, the MacBoons killed all the resident McCliverts.

BTW, it is made clear in transfiguration texts (and I think quidditch through the ages) that human to animal transfiguration is to be done with a partner, because, except for the animagi transformation, you will not be able to turn yourself back, nor will you keep your own mind, which implies permanent transfiguration. It is unclear how that affects partial transfiguration, as Krum changed his head but was still able to save Hermione

[worthy trench]

You can do partial at least but you still risk being stuck like that

so you better have someone who knows what their doing on hand if you can't turn back yourself

[blazing blade]

So is there a max length on wand length?

[flat zealot]

it doesn't seem to be practical to have a huge wand. But Rubeus Hagrid has the longest one Olivanders saw/did

[dapper lark]

Probably practical for Hagrid so it fits his huge hands.

[blissful ginkgo]

I would say the max length has something to do with the wieldability. With longer wands it’s more difficult to move it around with much precision. I think that’s one of the reasons using a Staff is not used much

[random moon]

Wand length also probably has some tie to the height of the witch or wizard

[dapper lark]

But as the wand chooses the wizard there must’ve been some hilarious mishaps. Giant wand really wants a tiny person.

[tiny flower]

I like longer wands. Why would you want a small one?

[warped thistle]

I don't know, maybe easier to hide, easier to make the same movements with lesser effort and higher speed, many reasons.

[jovial dune]

Imagine if that's just an all-too-successful Ollivander's marketing campaign.

Uh, yeah! Our wands are so advanced they, uh - they choose the wizard!

[dapper lark]

I could see that. No other wandmaker is there to discourage his claim.

He checks who’s coming to his door and works out the right priced wand for them. “Ah, you’re Mr Millionaire’s kid, look the priceless ruby encrusted wand wants you. Don’t you feel special.”

[jovial dune]

Great way to force old stock off the shelves.
"But I really prefer the look of this one..."

Sorry. Wand picks the Wizard. That'll be 500 Galleons. Next

[blissful ginkgo]

The Wand is made by a wandmaker, so there should be wands in all sizes. But how does he know how to make them this or that size?

[hollow marlin]

More of a Random question/ theory.
as we know when Ginny and Ron we near or heald onto a horcrux they became violent and horrid as people. do you think that the Dursleys would of been also been affected by being near harry making them horrid individuals

[worthy trench]

nope

they just unpleasant in general.

vernon detests anything he thinks is abnormal

petunia has been envious of Lily since childhood after learning she was a witch and she took it out on Harry later in life

also Ginny wasnt turned into a horrid person near a horcrux, She was put into a trance state and made to do things like kill roosters and write messages with their blood on walls against her will.

Dursleys were just not nice or good people in general.

best you can say bout them is they loved their own son and Petunia loved her sister despite her resentment