lore

[worthy trench]

As for FB i see them doing at least 1 more film there so we can get the big duel which is one thing that brought people to the FB films as they were wanting to see it on screen at some point

[brave echo]

Is there a source material for the founders of Hogwarts ? An origin story would be interesting to watch

[worthy trench]

We only have what we get in books and pottermore and tweets and interviews from JK for their stuff

[olive swan]

Wizarding World, Pottermore does no longer exist. The reason why this was changed was to expand the world, and tell new stories.

[worthy trench]

Info from it is still canon regardless unless overriden later

We have no info on the origin or early lives of the Founders to my knoweledge

We can only extrapolate based on era they lived in, known traits, clothing in portraits and what hat says bout each in its song.

All were probably nobility i think.

Godric, master swordsman.

and Helga may have had kids or she had a sibling or cousin who did.

Slytherin must have had at least one for him to have direct descendants and a sibling or cousin to have indirect ones.

[open glade]

They were probably copulating on every side, on this era

As long as they were pure blood, for Slytherin

We know that Ravenclaw had a daughter

And there's nothing about Godric having any descent

[brave echo]

Is there any immortal spells in the wizarding world ?

From the interviews it is known that Slytherin left the castle and never returned after an argument. Is there any chance that he could still be alive. Salazar Slytherin does know dark magic after all

[open glade]

Horcrux

The philosopher's stone

But i doubt he used that

[random moon]

No immortality spells.

A Horcrux would give you a way to evade death but if your physical body is destroyed and there’s no way to create a new one you’re kind of stuck as a incorporeal form

[open glade]

Voldemort was afraid of death, that's why he was so obsessed about it

But Slytherin is not known for being afraid of death

[random moon]

The Philosophers stone was created long after Salazar died.

[open glade]

I don't think he would try to become immortal

[open glade]

I'm aware of that

He asked for known way to be immortal

And there is becoming a ghost too, which is different from being dead, but means you're stuck in this state

Voldemort was in the middle between being a ghost and being alive

I guess his horcruxes were maintaining a link with life state, preventing his soul from passing on the other side or becoming a full ghost

[brave echo]

Interesting

[brave echo]

Since Salazar and the other three founders had a disagreement and he left the castle. I thought he would take some sort of revenge.

[open glade]

He did

He left the chamber of secrets with a basilisk hidden, as a tool for his heirs to purify the school of half blood

That's hella revenge

And he is the main reason for ppl being in Slytherin are so obsessed with pure blood, which helped guys like Voldemort to raise to power

[brave echo]

Ah , makes perfect sense

[brave echo]

Do we know what happened to him after he left the school ?

[random moon]

Not half bloods, just Muggle borns specifically

[open glade]

No, but he seems to be already quite old when he left. We only know that he died at an old age

[open glade]

Half blood mostly means muggle born, except when it comes to Hagrid

He disliked anything that wasn't pure blood

[random moon]

No a half blood would be someone with one Pureblood magical parent.

Hagrid is a Half Breed. Not a Half blood as one of his parents was a non human being.

Salazar didn’t trust Muggleborns specifically because muggles hunted wizardkind and he feared they might be spies.

[random moon]

That was everyone else who took his view of Muggleborns and twisted it into only purebloods are superior. Salazar specifically wanted to get rid of Muggleborns, not half bloods

[brave echo]

A half blood is like a one magical parent and one muggle parent right ?

[random moon]

Yup.

[open glade]

"Yet when shrewd Salazar Slytherin, ‘from fen’, suggested that only those from magical families deserved to come to Hogwarts, his three friends stood against him."

The description includes half blood

Some of the victims of the basilisk on the chamber of secrets book are half blood

And he is known for only accepting pureblood into Slytherin, when he was still in charge of the house

[random moon]

The only one who’s blood status was unknown was Penelope Clearwater. But Colin, Justin and Hermione were all Muggle borns.

And he left the Basilisk behind for one of his descendants to cleanse the school of Muggleborns.

[open glade]

I guess so, then

[worthy trench]

there is a way but it requires help from others

Founders origins and lives are fanfic fuel and we can reasonably guess some aspects of their lives from the era they lived in

I imagine they were all of noble status in society at the time

[random moon]

Yeah but the ingredients it requires to gent yourself a new body are very specific.

There’s only so much “bone of the father” or “blood of the enemy” before you use it all up.

[worthy trench]

yah i know hence you hope you don't got to use it ever if ur a horcrux user

heck we dunno if a horcrux even prevents you ageing further or the body dying from it

and then you get stuck in incorporeal form

[random moon]

They don’t, Voldy made his first one as a late teen and he was an aged man by the time he died properly

[worthy trench]

ur right, sorry i should have said prevent body dying after a certain point of living.

Like would it let him live past a natural lifespan for wizards whatever that is and outright stop his body just dying from entropy or ageing

[random moon]

Wizards can have a pretty long lifespan anyway, living considerably longer than muggles.

But a horcrux only preserves a part of the soul, not the physical body

[worthy trench]

well we dunno their natural lifespan is

its over 100 at least but they still are elderly than if only possessed of more vitality

[random moon]

But we know it’s longer than Muggle lifespans. Over 100 is common for magical folk.

[worthy trench]

dunno that either

most don't seem to have gotten there based on known ages of death for them in history

it likely increased as time went on and better magic medicine and healing spells were invented

most of history, life was crap for everyone in general

[random moon]

Yeah they live longer. Dying younger is probably more to do with how dangerous the Wizarding world can be.

Disease or injury or being killed by someone/something would explain those that die younger.

But if they can avoid such hazards they’ll live far longer than a Muggle

[open glade]

Dumbledore was in a good shape, before he messed up with the horcruxes

Probably could have lived longer

And there is probably plenty of way to live longer in the wizarding world

I doubt the philosopher's stone was the only thing like this created in the whole world

We know very little about the outside wizarding world aside europe

[worthy trench]

well all we know that can artifically extend life is the PS for sure. Hrocruxes we dunno if they even keep your body from dying of old age or entropy.

AD didnt even reach the wizarding average in britain by 1990s

137 years in UK by HP book 1 start

[olive swan]

Where is this from? This would conflict with Dumbledore's WW age

He died at the ripe age of 115 years. So, again JKR and her timeline.

[random moon]

It’s from an interview JKR did in 2000

http://www.accio-quote.org/articles/2000/1000-scholastic-chat.htm

[olive swan]

It coincides with the confirmed birthday at Pottermore.

So, idk - depends what once considers canon, I certainly don't what she says during interviews.

[random moon]

Yeah her inconsistencies are pretty common lol

But even 115 is still pretty old and he was still pretty energetic for an old man lol

Plus Dippet lived an unusually long time, even for a wizard

[olive swan]

Yeah, we don't know if his age was unusual though, only that he become Hogwarts Headmaster at 200 years of age. Anything beyond that it movie canon, I think.

So, I'd agree with you that magicals tend to live longer than Muggles.

My head canon is that a lot of people died during both wizarding wars, that's why we don't see many old people around. Also, most wizards probably didn't care too much about Voldemort. He was a UK thing, and that's that.

[worthy trench]

That Dippet age thing is from the COS film stuff only

So thats dubious canon

[olive swan]

Nope.

[worthy trench]

Yah

Its only from the films

In the newspaper held up by Snape in the film adaptation of Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets (set in 1992), an elderly Armando Dippet is said to have been born three hundred and fifty-five years before, in October. This places his date of birth in October 1637.
In a scene in the film adaptation of Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets taking place on 1 September 1992, he was still living (see this image). His portrait's first appearance is in the Headmaster's office in May 1993 (see this image). According to J. K. Rowling at the 2004 Edinburgh Book Festival, all the portraits in Hogwarts are of deceased individuals. Harry Potter Limited Edition states he died in 1992 (see this image). He had to have died between 1 September and 31 December 1992.
According to Harry Potter Limited Edition, he died in 1992. So, he died before 31 December 1992. According to the film adaptation of Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets, he was still living in September, and was born in October. He was about to celebrate a 355th birthday, so if he died before his birthday he would have been aged 354. So his age by death is dubious canonically. Though unless its overridden then I guess it holds. Though thats way past the life average of wizard age in Britain by 1990s which could indicate he used magical life extension to achieve that age by his death.

[random moon]

Yeah, plus the fact that the magical world is just inherently a bit more dangerous with the magical creatures and magical diseases that are in it.

All it takes is for a magical person who can’t see Thestrals to run into a herd of them and they protect themselves.

There’s a lot of stuff in the magical world that could kill you if you just weren’t able to protect yourself or deal with it properly

[olive swan]

Yeah, my bad. His age is not canonically 200+ years. All it does say is that he had been headmaster during Tom Riddle's years and that he was no Slytherin. So, it's anyone's guess what normal wizard ages might be like.

[worthy trench]

I can accept it though I do find it unlikely he'd live that long past the British average of 1990s without magical assistance.

The average i think was 137 in britan by 1991 though i think that from films also. We know they can reach over 100 years and be sprintly in elderly age at over 100 years in any case

Ok i checked the 137 average is only a film thing

still they can get over 100 and be in the shape and vitality of people far younger naturally.

So we have that at least

and it seems they could potentially bear children later than muggles in their lives since James was had late in life by his parents

[near silo]

Someone said snape would be able to be almost as strong as Dumbledore if he lived to be his age however I don’t agree what do you guys think(snape is one of my favorite characters)

[random moon]

I think he potentially could have, Snape created brand new spells as a teenager and reportedly started at Hogwarts already knowing more spells than any of his peers.

So who knows. He could have been.

[devout geyser]

Is this supposed to be a fwooper?

There is this one too but it looks more owl like

[slate tendon]

Yeah this one I think

[slate tendon]

The Fwooper was a magical African bird with brightly-coloured feathers, which could include orange, pink, lime green and yellow.

Fits the description

[devout geyser]

It’s from the media image in the PS gallery - there is a teal one also but way too blurry to make out.

[brave echo]

Looks like a parrot

[austere valve]

Im wondering if were more powerful then dumbledore if were around the same age of dumbledore in fantastic beasts SoD would we be able to fend him off. another scenario is if were both in our older years and he has the elder wand but we spent decades experincing our ancestry and the possible decendent of merlin mastering anchiant magic and all the other stuff. who would win a battle like that?

i think in our prime the two woudl tie or at least each would have a edge over the other but if there both old Our character would win hands down.

[stuck epoch]

we are a few years older than dumbledore but would win just because of the ancient magic regardless of the time

[devout geyser]

I think it’s said we are starting Sept 1 1890 and Dumbledore would have been 11 in 1892 - so if we play through year 7 he would be an incoming first year.

[stuck epoch]

yes

so we are around 6 years older than him

[vapid parcel]

Why are there so few magic schools in the world? 700 million people in Europe get three schools. 4 billion people in Asia get a single (Japanese) one. What? Also, are languages not a challenge or something? You'd need a crap ton more than just 8 schools. Most countries would need their own school. I know the answer to this is just that Rowling is a bad world builder but I'm still curious what people will say.

[brisk aurora]

Well, I could be wrong but I’m pretty sure the books just said Durmstrang Hogwarts and Beauxbaton were the most prodigious European schools

[random moon]

Because the Wizarding population is actually tiny compared to Muggle population. And the Wizarding population varies from country to country. Add to that the fact wizards can live longer and can be of childbearing age much older than muggles the amount of kids they have is generally smaller for most of them. Also some might choose to homeschool instead.

[clever yacht]

also, the named schools might just be the ones on par with Oxford, Harvard, etc

Ilvermorny could be the equivalent of MIT

[vapid parcel]

'It is stated that there were ten times more Muggles than wizards in the world. If the global Muggle population was about 5 billion in the 1990s, it would mean that the wizard population was 500 million.'
That's from the fandom wiki.

So 400 million wizards in Asia roughly. And then there's only one school there? That speaks Japanese no less?

[frozen ermine]

Must be a nasty language barrier.

[indigo pelican]

Or there's a Wizarding World version of a babel fish

[worthy trench]

JK probably didn;'t take real world population into account when making comments on how many students are in each school at once or at all times or when asking how may wizards there are in the world.

Maths is not her forte

which she admitted

Like if you take some of her answers bout Hogwarts student size and do the math to add in population estimate of britain and ireland over the last 1000 years and extrapolate the wizard population in there then Hogwarts has very few students in its early years of existence.

[stone matrix]

and why would you make a massive castle for only a few students. Yeah it’s all a bit weird

[timid juniper]

Imagine Hogwarts but smaller lol

Idk why that's funny

[worthy trench]

As i said, if you look at estimated rl british/irish population at hogwarts founding and know that wizards are a part of it and only a small one at that, then her math doesn't work if she goes there's 1000 students at hogwarts at any given time unless that number is only in recent times

[sharp snow]

Most wizards choose to homeschool because it's more convenient. There are a number of smaller schools, but they aren't among the top 11. Consider the 11 schools (the 8 we know, and 3 we don't) to be the Ivy League of the Wizarding World.

[velvet siren]

That’s not right though because many witches and wizards are still in hiding there could be more. There would have to be a census to count every last one but how would the Confederation of Wizards implement this worldwide.

[sharp snow]

Each magical government is responsible for the Wizarding population within their borders. They can presumably report those numbers to the ICW.

[cobalt jolt]

Also, the fact of how many of those countries that have been at war with each other for so long

Thought it is a minor issue I have with Harry Potter

[brave echo]

And how many magical schools are there like Hogwarts ?

[cobalt jolt]

11

One for each continent other than Europe, which gets 4

And Australia doesn't have any known schools

[rare knot]

The international aspect of HP kind if irks me and I wish JK Rowling sort of just left it alone and focused on Europe. Like China and India share a magic school? Also that the world's most powerful wizards and artefacts all just happen to be British.

Or at the very least she could have brainstormed the names and short context of maybe 15-20 more schools.

[umbral mortar]

What makes you think China and India share a school. There are more than 11 schools but only 11 are registered in the international confederation or something

Plus many countries simply choose to homeschool

[rare knot]

Some map I was reading in an article about where the schools are located. But not explicitly mentioning a school in the two countries with the largest population in the world seems odd. Especially since historically, China had a much more egalitarian and developed education system than Europe.

[worthy trench]

Well one of the op wizards ever is not British (GG) and he's the 3nd most powerful wizard in the world in modern era if not the 2nd.

The British centric nature of HP books is due to the author being British and naturally set her story in Britain

And the most OP artefacts in the magic world bar the Deathly Hallows who were made by British wizards it seems and the PS which was made by a French wizard are made by wizards and witches of unknown nationality.

[rare knot]

Thanks for clarifying

I'm not saying I expect anything different. Just that it irks me and really this has only come to the forefront since Rowling has tried to make her Wizarding World more international with stories exploring the WW beyond Europe.

[rare knot]

And tbh British/French/Austrian wizards having a monopoly on the most power in the world isn't really much better.

[stray veldt]

You guys fr writing paragraphs..

[umbral mortar]

Can't really say they have a monopoly, considering we barely know about wizards from other countries

I mean there's this Chinese dragonologist, so there's something https://harrypotter.fandom.com/wiki/Quong_Po

He appears on a wizard card

[rare knot]

European Wizards make up the top 3 most powerful of all time. I sort of prefer the idea that there is very little contact between foreign wizarding communities. It would then mean they are simply the most powerful wizards/artefacts that they know of within Europe.

[umbral mortar]

Possibly yeah

[cobalt jolt]

It says Mahoutokoro teaches all of Asia

Also, shouldn't Uagadou be the oldest school, not Hogwarts?

People have been living in Africa WAY longer than they have lived in The British Isles

[cobalt jolt]

I don't even think MACUSA is that isolationist, and they used to kill wizards for even KNOWING No-Majs

[rare knot]

Nice name

But I was just saying I prefer that the wizarding communities would be more isolationists, to make it seem more that the European's perception of their own greatness is simply because they don't know much about what happens in, say, the Asian wizarding communities.

[cobalt jolt]

Thanks 🙂

[rare knot]

You may appreciate my profile pic haha

[cobalt jolt]

I do

And I understand some of that, though my interpretation is they also participated in colonialism, since I read somewhere that the Imperious curse was invented for the trans-atlantic slave trade

[rare knot]

How would that have worked really? It's one thing for more technologically civilisations to colonise other parts of the world. I think wizards would have had a much harder time of it, and less interest in doing so.

Since I am sure wizards in, say, China, were just as capable as their European counterparts

[cobalt jolt]

It's not that wizards in these areas were less capable than European wizards, but maybe they used similar tactics that were used with real life colonialism

Such as proxy wars, biological warfare, political destabilization, trade warfare, and other methods

[rare knot]

Such as?

[cobalt jolt]

Also, perhaps psy-ops

[rare knot]

I just don't think the parallels are there. China in many ways was more advanced than Europe for most of history. It was only thanks to the technological advances of the 1800s that enabled the European powers a foothold there. I also think European wizards would have had a much more difficult time colonising foreign powers since the level of magical development would be roughly equal. Also I don't think there is any evidence that the magical communities engaged in colonisation (that I know of?).

[cobalt jolt]

Even in real life, Europe was only able to colonize very small pockets of China, like Laos, and Hong Kong, so idk if they are the best example

Especially since China gave Portugal Laos

[rare knot]

True, but I also think it just didn't happen really anywhere and the wizarding communities mostly kept to themselves. There just isn't any evidence to my knowledge what wizards engaged in colonialist practices against other wizards.

[cobalt jolt]

Then why are there European wizards in The Americas?

And why does MACUSA exist?

[umbral mortar]

I thought it was only Japan

[cobalt jolt]

No, I remember the article saying it teaches ALL of Asia

[umbral mortar]

You remember wrong

https://www.wizardingworld.com/writing-by-jk-rowling/mahoutokoro

[cobalt jolt]

I will look when I am more awake

Another thing I have wondered about for a while, most of the stuff that lead to wizards go into hiding, like the Salem Witch Trials, and Spanish Inquisition, are mostly confined to Europe, America, and The Middle East, which leads me to wonder why the rest of the wizarding world went into hiding

[umbral mortar]

I think the rest of the world may have simply followed others. Reason idk. Maybe out of peer pressure sort of?

[cobalt jolt]

Even Japan didn't enforce it until like 1960

And idk how good an example this would be, but what would a wizard in Thailand care if some other wizard in Luxembourg was getting burned at the stake?

[cobalt jolt]

I just checked your link, and it doesn't mention other places it teaches children from, but it is also the only school she wrote about in Asia

[umbral mortar]

I also found this. Seems like most wizarding populatuons choose homeschooling

[cobalt jolt]

Don't Ilvermorny, and Castelobruxo teach all of The Americas?

[umbral mortar]

I think so

Ilvermorny yes, castelobruxo idk

[cobalt jolt]

I remember that specifically coming to my attention when I had an idea for a Canadian school to use for both an rp with my cousin, and my ex

Either way, I think we can make that sort of inference for the other single school continents

[rare knot]

Still doesn't explain why Europe has 4 Wizarding Schools and the 2 countries with the worlds largest population have none between them. I'm not usually one to have a go at JK Rowling, but the fact she can't set aside 30-60min to brainstorm a name and short background for a Chinese and Indian wizarding school is kinda poor form.

[umbral mortar]

True

Although not all 11 are named

Also there are likely more than 11 schools, but they just aren't registered in the international confederation of wizards

[cobalt jolt]

I also did have an idea for an Indian school, before I was told all Asian wizards attend Mahoutokoro

[worthy trench]

We dunno what the oldest formal magical school is but the oldest ones are comparable in age.

[cobalt jolt]

Isn't Hogwarts cannonically the oldest school?

[random moon]

Pretty sure it’s Uagadou. It’s been around for at least a millennium making it about as old as Hogwarts if not older.

[cobalt jolt]

Logically, it should be older, but I remember reading that Hogwarts was older

[worthy trench]

Never stated to be. All we know is the oldest schools are comparable.

One would think JK would make Hogwarts the oldest due to the British centric nature of the verse or the HP books and the her own nationality but who knows if she does or not.

[cobalt jolt]

I also would assume Africa would have the most some of the most powerful magic, since that is where humans came from, it would also have had the most time to advance it

[worthy trench]

Logically they would but who knows how magical humans were treated in Africa for most of history or how many there were pre-migration. It would have ranged from reverence to fear to maliciousness from non-magic humans

According to FB, that place were the election took place hold some of the oldest and most powerful magic in the WW in any case

I just assume Africa's school is the oldest still existing formal magic school

[umbral mortar]

Even in modern day there are witch hunts in africa

[worthy trench]

Alas

We know the oldest recorded magic use is from ancient egypt at any rate

they'd be revered if they were in a high position or royalty

and feared or shunned or killed if born a peasant i imagine

[umbral mortar]

Didn't all magic originate from Africa in hp lore

?

[worthy trench]

oldest recorded use of it is there

no one knows were magic originally came from though

like when it first came to exist in the cosmos or on Earth

or when it was first discovered

[cobalt jolt]

Magic itself, I believe would be as old as time

Though I have always been a bit more interested to know how magic was treated in America, before the arrival of a certain someone, for whom I would be banned if I tried using the words I want to to describe him

[random moon]

Yeah magic seems to be a natural force. There are loads of magical creatures and other sentient beings that can use their own kind of magic. So it’s not exclusive to humans, different races just naturally utilise it differently from each other

[worthy trench]

Well from what i read it ranged from revered to cursed and killed liike everywhere else

and i mean read in RL

i assume the same would apply to WW America pre-colonization

[cobalt jolt]

Though, in most nations, witches weren't women that could use magic, they were spirits that took on human, and animal form to mess with humans

[cobalt jolt]

Also, the existence of ancient magic implies it to be older than humanity

[random moon]

Yeah it’s for sure a natural force that’s older than humanity.

[worthy trench]

I would assume it was born when big bang made the cosmos

[cobalt jolt]

Me too

Or maybe it even caused it

[worthy trench]

ultimately we'll never know

unless JK tells us

[random moon]

Oh and the magic that’s used is like the residues of that? Like cosmic radiation or something.

A literal echo from creation lol

I like this headcanon.

[worthy trench]

Wizards and witches wouldn't even be used for most of history as terms for magic users

other terms would have been

like mage or magi or something depending the place

[cobalt jolt]

Yeah, and I think in The Americas, they probably would have ended up medicine men, or shamans

[cobalt jolt]

Now I like it even more

[sharp snow]

She clearly planned to roll out the other three (officially 4, because Koldovstoretz hasn’t really been officially mentioned) during the course of the FB series. Ilvermorny and Castelobruxo were intro’d because stories took place there (Brazil was cut) There’s likely one in China considering we’ve met two prominent Chinese wizards.

People really need to stop thinking the Big 11 are the only schools. They aren’t. No one ever said they were.

[rare knot]

Are you referring to my argument or just a general statement?

[sharp snow]

Just in general. I read a lot of “how is there only one school for all of X?” posts all over the Internet. And the answer is clear.

[rare knot]

Well let's hope she does at least end up revealing a school within some of the largest countries that have been left out so far.

Because if she says that they only have home schooling or some "smaller and less-well regulated school" within those regions, it would be a bit of a cop-out

[sharp snow]

I think someone tried zooming in on the Phoenix book from FB2 and found Tao’s name before he became a character. Also found Singh. I’d guess the 3 remaining are China, India, and Australia.

[rare knot]

Is there any in the Arab region? I'd probably swap the Australian one for one in the Middle East. But we will see.

[sharp snow]

I think she already hinted that Australia has one. Nothing about the Middle East

[mystic seal]

Quite a few witches/wizards are home schooled too

[rare knot]

I'm assuming the Australian school would be based on the magic of the indigenous people? Or would it be a school made by more European wizards after colonisation?

Honestly Australia would make sense for one of the smaller and less regulated ones

[frozen ermine]

Imagine what the magical creatures are like in Australia, seeing as the regular animals already want to kill you.

[rare knot]

Care of Magical Creatures would be a tough gig, I'm sure

[sharp snow]

Well, my understanding of the lore is that there was communication between magical communities earlier than muggle communities. So, it would either have developed from the indigenous people of Australia or in partnership (despite their non-magical counterpart conflicts.)

I did some digging around concept art and discovered that James Steward was originally intended to be an indigenous wizard.

[rare knot]

My knowledge of Australian Aboriginals is that centralised education institutions probably wouldn't make much sense within their cultural context.

Honestly just feel like JK Rowling probably should leave it mostly alone unless she does some serious research.

[sharp snow]

I’ll defer to you on that. We’re theorizing so I don’t have any idea the direction she may have decided to take, but she’s all but confirmed they are one of the 11.

[rare knot]

I just hope she does it tastefully and I think a well-established magical institution in Australia could be very problematic

[sharp snow]

Considering the reaction to some of the other schools, we might not ever get the information at all.

[rare knot]

A part of me just wishes she left it to the European sphere, but I sort of talked about that earlier.

[mystic seal]

Igy, but Uagadou sounds interesting, as does Ilvermorny (despite the awful House names)

[sharp snow]

Right? I think they all sound interesting and with great execution and detail could be just as rich as Hogwarts. But I also understand the hesitancy.

[frozen ermine]

I'm now picturing Wizarding public education.

[austere valve]

im wondering theoreticly if we grow older in our like 20s or something would be powerful as professor dumbledore when he becomes a proffessor at hogwarts?

since in theory we control ancient magic the magic of merlin and morgana themselves?

[mystic seal]

I wonder how that’s going to be addressed. But if we become that powerful why would our character be out of action when Grindlewald was doing the rounds ?

[hybrid lagoon]

Someone knows who is the father of Helena Raveclaw?
How is possible that Merlin was student of Hogwarts arounf 1000 if it was beside King Arthur around 500? Did he travel throught time after Hogwarts?

[mystic seal]

Yeah I was confused by this before. Wizarding World history doesn’t map onto our world’s mythology well where Merlin/Morgana are concerned

[rare knot]

Basically the WW version of Merlin happens 500 years after the original legend.

[hybrid lagoon]

So in the WW version the legend of King Arthur happened around 1000?

[rare knot]

Essentially sometime after Hogwarts was founded

So 1000 at the earliest. He could have been a student of Salazar and clashed with his beliefs on Muggleborns being untrustworthy.

[mystic seal]

Yes which introduces a number of historical ramifications

Merlin first good slytherin wbk

[cobalt jolt]

What'd I miss?

[rare knot]

What do you mean by historical ramifications?

And what is wbk?

[mystic seal]

Well, the legend of Arthur is shrouded in myth due to the complete lack of recorded sources. By the Wizarding World’s reckoning however, the year 1000 conflicts with a lot of other events occurring for the whole Arthur business to kick off. Sources from this time are also a tad more reliable. It’s a minor point of course but I’m a nitpicker

[mystic seal]

We been knew

[cobalt jolt]

Also, where's Avalon, and is it still inhabited?

[rare knot]

Yeah we knew this (wbk?). But I don't think JK Rowling really considered that. Tbh I would have just left the legend of Merlin before the founding of Hogwarts, but I guess it might be something we explore in HL.

[rare knot]

I hate this

[mystic seal]

Contemporary sources agree that the area around Glastonbury is referred to as the site of Avalon, but everything is very very sketchy

[mystic seal]

ok

[mystic seal]

It definitely seems to be very connected to the main story

[rare knot]

They can't really decide if it's English or French either. I guess JK Rowling just wants to add her own twist.

[mystic seal]

It’s all just a fun story

[rare knot]

We will see

(Wws)

[mystic seal]

😭

[rare knot]

Haha acronyms for incorrect English is new for me

[woeful brook]

Of course the ravenclaws love the lore… dont blame em tho

[hybrid lagoon]

Any chance that Merlin could travel back in time?

[severe radish]

Do we have that bad witch in hogwarts legacy

Marvolo or w.e it was what dumbledor had on his finger

Marvolo gaunt is it idk

[fallen lantern]

#👉faq

[umbral mortar]

To be fair we don't exaxtly know when hogwarts was founded. The info about it being founded in 990 is from the films i think.
The books only say that hogwarts was founded over a 1000 years ago, the precise date being uncertain

[worthy trench]

If time turners or other time travel device existed back then, then yes

Which would make the stuff with Arthur and Morgana make sense from a RL myth pov

[vivid dove]

If it's that old, the castle must've been remodeled at some point, maybe in the 1200's or something, it's definitely newer than it's real age design wise. Which is an interesting thing to think about honestly

It seems to be a design from before the development of cannons but late into that era

So I'm assuming the design was updated at some point in that time period

[worthy trench]

Yah we have a far clearer picture of events and kingdoms and who the kings from 1000 AD and beyond are. Which basically leaves no room for Arthur unless history is different in this era in WW verse and he replaces one of those kings. A way to avoid that is just have Merin and I assume Morgana time travel to the past and meet up with Arthur there and become what we know in legends. Or they were named after the legendary counterparts only later to time travel and find out they are in fact those people and its a time loop deal.

[worthy trench]

No one knows in or out of universe prob

Avalaon candidates in rl include Glastonbury Tor which was in a lake at one point i read. Isle of Man, Isle of White and others i imagine. Odds are it is just made up and not meant to any specific rl island.

Or if was, then it was mistakenly believed to a magical one, and home to fae and whatnot

Borrowed from the Celtic Otherworlds

Avalon is also described as a valley

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avalon#Other_proposed_locations

besides Glastonbury

[modern moth]

Most likely the one off the coast of Wales if any of those

Because most likely there was an Arthur

[hybrid lagoon]

In Harry Potter & the Prisoner of Azkaban. When we see Hermione and Harry using the time return it is as if the main story for us was normal. But there is also the story before she's using it

What if for Merlin it was the same with Arthur not having known Merlin not having become king or whatever. Merlin having studied at Hogwarts then using a time-turner or other to return to the past where he isn't yet born without interfering on his future birth and help Arthur to become king.

If we take the dates, there would be at least 400 years difference.
Merlin who was a great sorcerer could have found a way to go back in time so far without influencing his future.

Basically it's only possible to go back in time by 5 hours maximum. This limit was put in place by the Ministry of Magic. Except that the Ministry of Magic was created in the 18th century, more than 700 years after Merlin's time.

[worthy trench]

The 5 hour limit is a safe limit.Further than that is dangerous for the traveler but Merlin being Merlin can avoid such dangers

Its possible Merlin of HP lore was named after the legendary Merlin of RL lore and figured out he was in fact the same Merlin via future time traveling.

Or future Merlin in 500/600 A.D. left something for his yet to be born past self to discover to ensure he would time travel back in time to do that in the first place.

Or Merlin foresaw his own time traveling sheninagins and knew when and how to set them all up in advance

[mystic seal]

This just gets incredibly convoluted and hard to follow

[worthy trench]

I know, thats time travel for ya

but plausible if Merlin could see the future

and ofc time turners have to actually exist back then

or a device of the same nature

Like basically every power he has in myth and later retellings can be explained by magic that exists in HP verse

even his ageing backwards via rejuvenation amulets

if they existed back then

Like Merlin is born in late 900s/early 1000s or after but before 1500s

and then goes back in time where he meets Arthur and Morgana and some versions of Arthurian legends happens in the 500/600s.

And Merlin doesn't accidently cause his own unbirth in the process

And even if the people who wrote references to Arthur and Myrddin pre-Goeffrey are seers, they still wrote them as existing prior to themselves in history.

Which is weird.

We likely won't get explanations for the time descrepencies for Merlin, Morgana and Arthur in HP lore

and its just a case of alt history were they lived much later in time and the history of the kings of Britain post 1000 A.D. is different to some extent in WW verse

[umbral mortar]

Ngl the time traveling merlin theories are pretty interesting

Also didn't Merlin age backwards or some stuff like that?

[cobalt jolt]

At least in Arthurian legend

[umbral mortar]

Ah yes

[vivid owl]

Merlin could just be very old by the time Hogwarts opened and have been sorted just for fun.

As you've pointed out, the Arthurian legends happen around the time of the 500s CE. Sometimes even in the late 400s CE.

So he could just be a 5-600 year old dude.

We know that that age isn't unreachable, just rare.

[worthy trench]

I think that part only came from TH White's Once and Future King book. Could be wrong

[worthy trench]

We dunno if that age is reachable naturally for wizards. I'm not expecting Merlin in HP lore to be super old even for wizarding standards upon death or to have magically extended his lifespan

Odds are he was a child when he went to Hogwarts and was just born in the late 900s/1000s

[vivid owl]

We know obviously of the Flamels, but they aren't actually the oldest living person in the Wizarding World by the time of Harry being at school. There's another dude who's over 770 if I'm remembering correctly. Either way dude is old.

Armando Dippet, the headmaster before Dumbles was born in the 1600s and so is some 350 and alive and well by the time of the books.

So it is possible, just really rare. So yes odds are obviously higher that he might have been young, but also he could also just be really old.

[mystic seal]

Yeah wizard lifespans are very sketchy

Dippet was ANCIENT

[worthy trench]

Dippets lifespan and the 700 year old guy is from the movies only. Not the books or any lore outside the movies. So those ages are dubious canonically. And Flamel we know only achieved his age to the Elixir of life.

All we know for sure is wizards can naturally reach over 100 years and retain the vitality and vigor and sharpness of mind of those who are far younger in age.

But thats all we know

I don't expect Merlin reached an age that is abnornally old even for wizards naturally

I suspect he was killed by Morgan or another apprentice of his per Arthurian legend regardless.

[cobalt jolt]

Though in my thing, some healthy wizards can expect to make it to 600

Without magical assistance

[worthy trench]

No wizard is known to have done that in canon to my knowledge

[cobalt jolt]

Though like I mentioned, it's an au

[worthy trench]

Well in AU you can go nuts

[cobalt jolt]

True

On that topic, how long could a soul remain in Limbo, before making its decision?

[worthy trench]

Unknown

I guess it either stays until it makes the choice or it moves on cos the body will die eventually

so there would be a timer one way or the other

then again time may be relevent to the person

only a moment or few passed for living world for HP and LV while HP had his chat in limbo

If one meant ghosts then maybe as long as it took the person to choose between ghost and moving on

but then who knows maybe higher entities will come down and force them to choose after a time

or just straight up drag them onward

But HP's case, time was moving forward in the living plane while he was there so he probably only had as long as it took his body to die or till someone checked his body and then killed it upon realizing it was still alive

[cobalt jolt]

Without going too much into religion, what do you think happens to those that decide to move on?

[worthy trench]

Probably everyone goes to the same place. So that’s gonna be awkward for many people. Then again you don’t necessarily have to talk to people you didn’t like in life in the afterlife

So Potters and Sirius and Lupin don’t have to talk or meet Pettigrew etc

[quiet seal]

Is this game canon to the Harry Potter universe?

[timid juniper]

I don't believe so?

[vivid owl]

the game will sit in the same semi-canon state as the other games

basically unless it is directly contradicted by either the books or Rowling's own extra writings, then it can be assumed the game is canon excluding the parts where player choice alter the story.

the player choice parts will just be a wonderful unknown fog of "Well it could have happened like this."

[timid juniper]

I never assume games are cannon

More like ... spin offs

I'd rather keep Cannon related stuff to the books and movies. I don't want Harry Potter to be like Kingdom Hearts XD

Further, if you meant Cannon as in, it establishes new lore, then I hope not

[vivid owl]

Well there's nothing so far that contradicts the games new professors or other characters that'll be at Hogwarts upon the game start, same with Hogsmede.

So I see no reason why such additions couldn't be considered canon for as long as there is no film, book, or writing directly from Rowling which contradicts it.

Again anything with player choice would obviously not be as well it's the player choice and that can't be said to be one way or another.

But the stuff the player can't change, should be fine

it's technically quaternary canon if we're going by the levels of: Primary being the original books, Secondary being Rowling's additional writings, Tertiary being the films, Quaternary being the games, and Quintenary being the stuff at say the Wizarding World sites at Universal Orlando and the like.

As much as I love Horizont Alley, and Carkitt Market, they are at Wizarding World, and so most likely on the lowest rung of canon. Though supposedly everything at the first park was signed off of by Rowling herself so, I guess they'd count as Tertiary level maybe if looked at like that, especially cos they take the design cues and aesthetic from the films.

But again, as long as it doesn't contradict, then it can be assumed to be canon.

[timid juniper]

What I'm saying is it's just adding to the complexity of Harry Potter as a whole for those who want the complete story. I would prefer that it doesn't add anything to the main lore of the series (outside of games). The most I'd like is nods to or small details

[olive swan]

It is inspired by the Wizarding World, but it is not Canon. This question is getting asked every other day. It hasn't been canon three months ago, and it's still not Canon today.

[timid juniper]

That's what games should do if the series it's tied to isn't originally a game first

Inspired is a great word for it

[olive swan]

They changed the wording a couple of months back. Pretty sure, when the game was first announced WB was fairly vague on the whole subject. But now, I really wouldn't call it canon compliant.

[hybrid lagoon]

What i heard is that the game is inspired by everything exist in the Wizarding World books, movies, theme park.

[cobalt jolt]

I really want it to do just that, and it so far seems like it will

[olive swan]

Depends on what one considers canon. I would only consider anything JKR wrote herself and stuff that has been listed on the WW page canon.

While it's bs, FB is canon.

[cobalt jolt]

Mostly I consider anything not fanmade cannon

[cobalt jolt]

And what is your issue with Fantastic Beasts?

[olive swan]

It breaks canon in some ways, or retcons established story plot-lines.

[cobalt jolt]

How so, aside from the McGonagall stuff?

[olive swan]

Statue of Secrecy is basically a joke, you can obliviate left and right and it does not matter.

The elder wand and how Grindelwald didn't lose its allegiance when he was disarmed.

Nagini. lol

Apparition into Hogwarts.

Grindelwald and Dumbledore, and their blood pact.

AK being blocked by idk, magic?

Just to name a few.

Also, for a franchise that calls itself Fantastic Beasts there is very little in the Fanatastic Beast department.

[cobalt jolt]

1. I thought that was how that would normally be handled, but doing what Lockhart did always seemed a bit overkill for me

2. I think it's possible he managed to reassert dominance over it

3. What about Naghini?

4. Remind me when that happened in the films

5. What is the issue with the blood pact?

5. Was it blocked with magic?

[olive swan]

This is impossible. Well, It should be impossible.

Wrong tag. lol

https://youtu.be/guPCBCXrCrs?t=30

Number 5.

[cobalt jolt]

That's the video that shows when it happened, or the blood pact clip?

[olive swan]

That's AK being blocked by hot Dumbledore and his brother. lol

blocked

And whatever happened after that, no idea what JKR was snorkeling to show it as such.

[cobalt jolt]

I don't normally click on links I can't see what it is a link to

[olive swan]

It's a YouTube video showing the fight.

Your choice. lol

[cobalt jolt]

Moving on, what is it about Naghini?

[olive swan]

Just google and search up, Fantastic Beasts canon problems. And then we can discuss the topic.

[worthy trench]

As far as him being disarmed goes, Tina didn't defeat him, she just disarmed him. Newt didn't either technically. It was the the beast he set on him that bound him, then Tina disarmed him. So I guess the wand didn't consider to have won it since she didn't overpower him first.

[worthy trench]

Nagini isn't a retcon since we didn't know her actual age or history beyond she's LV's pet in HP books. Apparition into Hogwarts - doable once the enchantments are lifted to allow it. Don't see the blood pact contradicting anything. I feel thats just to make Dumbledore more sympathetic by actually making it impossible for him to fight much earlier in the timeline other than him not wanting out of fear of him knowing who killed Ariana. AK being blocked by magic - its been done many times. Spell streams can intercept it and hold it off. if their paths intersect with AK spell stream. Thats not new.

[stuck epoch]

also nagini became voldys pet after the potter incident

[mystic seal]

So rather the whole premise of AK being unblockable is…a plot hole

Or simply that it cuts through spells like Protego but is blocked by expelliarmus? Something doesn’t add up

[olive swan]

Which by established lore should have switched the wand's allegiance. Defeating isn't the only way to get the wand's allegiance, disarming does it as well. That's at least what we had known so far. So, meh. Makes little sense.
Depends, I guess what one considers disarming and whatnot - which begs the question, how much does the wand really know, as in how sentient is it?

But Wand Lore has so many inconsistencies, so we'll see how they go about in movie 4.

[mystic seal]

It’s the weakest part of the HP lore in general imo

[olive swan]

Source for AK, this being possible.

[worthy trench]

Well all users who won it by disarming overpowered the person first. Tina never did. Newt i guess wasn;t considered by the wand to be won since he didn;t do the overpowering part himself

[worthy trench]

AK manifests as stream of energy. Thus it can be intercepted by other spell streams if they intersect. Thus canceling each other out.

[olive swan]

Source pls.

[worthy trench]

The spell can be blocked by spell streams or physical barriers. Its the effect when successfully cast that cannot be reversed unless in extraordinary circumstance like HPs in forest

[olive swan]

Where is the source for the stream of energy part?

[worthy trench]

Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows, Chapter 4 (The Seven Potters)

[olive swan]

Not nice," he said calmly. "Not pleasant. And there's no counter curse. There's no blocking it. Only one person has ever survived it, and he's sitting right in front of me.

~ GOF chapter 14.

Moody.

Telling us about the Unforgivables.

[worthy trench]

More Killing Curses flew past Harry's head from the two remaining Death Eaters' wands; they were aiming for Hagrid. Harry responded with further Stunning Spells: Red and green collided in midair in a shower of multicolored sparks, and Harry thought wildly of fireworks, and the Muggles below who would have no idea what was happening--

Thus spells or some spells can block the AK by interception

hard to do but doable.

[mystic seal]

By your logic, protego can stop the killing curse

[worthy trench]

No it can't

[mystic seal]

Exactly

[worthy trench]

I said some spells that collide with it

Red and green collided.

obviously referring to energy streams

killing curses and another spell

the stunning spell i read

so there you go

right from the source

[olive swan]

It does not specifically state that Harry blocked AK. There are several spells that can omit green colour. AK isn't the only green spell. Also, if we're going after semantics here. Voldemort had specific instructions to not kill Harry Potter.

AK is not block-able, and certainly not by magic apart from Harry's forehead.

[mystic seal]

Suppose I was holding a frying pan. And someone shot a killing curse at me. And I blocked it with the frying pan

[olive swan]

Voldemort specifically told his followers, that Harry was his to kill.

[olive swan]

It would work.

[worthy trench]

Killing curses were fired by death eaters. they were out to kill. And i didn;t refer to HP there. In general, the AK was blocked by the others who were also attakced to be killed

Thus the curse is blockable by spell jet streams if they hit it AKs own

simple as that

[olive swan]

It really isn't

[worthy trench]

yah it really is. its right in the text

if its preventing the curse from hitting person, it is blocking it

simple

[olive swan]

Seriously. It does not state that Harry blocked AK. It only says that green and red collided. That's all. There are other spells that are green, those can be blocked. In no way does it say he blocked AK. You can't block the Killing Curse, that's the overarching plot line of the whole story.

Why did Lily die, heck why did any wizard die with AK if all it really took was Stupefey?

[foggy sable]

Will expecto patronum be in the game

[stuck epoch]

we dont know and please dont ask in all chats

[mystic seal]

Whenever that person asks a question they spam it to all channels

[olive swan]

I agree with the Nagini part; it not being a retcon. To me, there really wasn't any need to give her some tragic back story, as to justify her actions or none-actions. It would have been fine if JKR just left her as is. Alas, it's her choice, and I now have to live with the consequences. lel

Dumbledore wasn't the headmaster during that time. So, normally he should not have been able to do it. There have been numerous instances in the books that specifically mentioned Dumbledore either lifting it and/or moving out of Hogwarts and then using Apparition.

The Blood Pact in general. It was introduced in the FB franchise, which doesn't really add anything to Dumbledore's character. It only makes him look silly, also it's not fully explained how it works, why it works and why it suddenly does not work. Maybe the next movie will explain it. lmao - don't think it will though.

[cobalt jolt]

I think the blood pact was supposed to be, out of universe, a symbolic tie between Dumbledore, and Grindelwald

[mystic seal]

Frankly was it really necessary

It cheapened the psychological battle in Dumbledore’s mind. Who he used to be and who he wanted to be, his love of Grindlewald in the past in contrast with the man he became.

[modern moth]

I know you'll come with the argument "but movies..." but rly, check the movies:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNFjRnDiP0U
Dandelion is right

[olive swan]

Nope.

Fantastic Beasts is canon because the screen-play was written by JKR.

The movies were not. There is no discussion to be had here.

[mystic seal]

Cursed child was also written by jk unfortunately

[olive swan]

Also, with FB and how spells are done there, that's how they will mostly likely also work in canon. The movies were never a good depiction of how magic was done, until FB.

[hybrid lagoon]

Is it possible that Salazar Slytherin or Godric Gryffindor could be the father of Helena Ravenclaw?

[olive swan]

Yeah, unfortunately it was. And she also confirmed it to be canon.

[mystic seal]

Whilst we’re on the topic of THAT play. Do you think she’ll explore albus and scorpius again sometime

[modern moth]

also the argument "it's just red and green" is a bad one
crystal clear that green is AK
sry

I am so sure I would even bet a copy of HL. 80$

[olive swan]

To be honest, I think not. I see her doing more on what happened before Harry and his gang attended Hogwarts. Elaborating more and lore and all that.

I think WB would be well advised to maybe change the setting, move to the US and tell a story from there and leave the UK and all its continuity problems as is.

[olive swan]

Nope. Ak is green, yes. But it's not the only spell that is green.

You're entitled to your wrong opinion.

[modern moth]

if you are so sure I am sure we can continue via DM and bet.

[stone matrix]

She’s always said the Marauders is the most asked for story. Easily get a TV series on Netflix or whatever for that

[olive swan]

Bet on what? There are other spells that are green, one was shown in the books - unknown name, Ron used it and it propelled against his stomach or something. Chamber of secrets.

[modern moth]

that Dandelion's interpretation is the correct one (streams of energy colliding)

but yo, DM
don't want to spam that place

[olive swan]

This is literally the lore channel. lol

Either write it here, or don't.

You can't block the Killing Curse with magic apart from Harry's forehead.

[modern moth]

no, all arguments have been said
and I am still waiting: bet yes or no
also I don't want to sound too aggressive 😄

[olive swan]

Why would I bet? Its not like JKR will explain to me how her magic works?

It's speculation, yes. But AK can't be blocked. That's the effing plot of the whole Harry Potter Epos. If it could be blocked, what's the point.

[modern moth]

I'd assume with enough googling one could find an official source explaining it
betting would show your conviction

[olive swan]

Show me the source then, that's is written by JKR herself and not movie or fanfiction.

[modern moth]

that wasn't the question
question was if you'd bet

whether I find a source is a different thing

[olive swan]

I don't need to prove a point. You didn't show me any evidence, I did on numerous occasions.

[modern moth]

aha, ok, no conviction

[olive swan]

Whatever, mate.

[modern moth]

one thing I learned

if people are really really sure about something, they put their money where their mouth is, i.e., skin in the game

they can be wrong ofc but it's a good indicator

anyway. agree to disagree

[frank jewel]

What is the talking point here, without me having to go really far back

[olive swan]

AK can't be blocked.

Certainly not by red sparks.

[coarse bramble]

it can if I intervene

[olive swan]

Mostly inconsitencies in lore.

[frank jewel]

It can only be blocked by solid things, that's about the only thing

[olive swan]

FB and how hot Albus and his brother blocked AK by golden light in the most recent movie.

And Harry's forehead.

Everyone forgets Harry's forehead.

[coarse bramble]

i would simply do a backflip and disarm Voldemort

[frank jewel]

well and ancient magic I suppose

[olive swan]

I'd say the sacrafice mayhaps was ancient magic, so this could maybe open the door for HL and its magic being somewhat explained away.

[frank jewel]

Oh was it the crossing beams stuff from the gameplay that started it?

I thought that was silly and out of place

though the movies did the same I think between albus and voldemort

[olive swan]

The movies are nonsense, and before FB we didn't know how magic and duels looked like. Like I've said, with FB and JKR having a hand in that, that's how magic seemingly works now.

[frank jewel]

I mean, JK definitely was a consultant for the original movies, so I don't think it's fair to say that FB was the first time we got to see how duels were supposed to look.

[olive swan]

Spoiler obviously.

In the most recent movie, Albus and his brother block Grindlewald's AK. Now, we know that AK can't be blocked by magic. There are very rare occasions in which the spell might counter the other spell, say the twin core thing we've seen in the books.

But otherwise, the spell can only be intercepted by other objects, and thus 'blocked'.

[olive swan]

Meh, yeah. But she didn't write the screenplay, so they can't be considered canon. FB was written by JKR, the movies were not.

[frank jewel]

That is true, but she was still there to make sure things were how she wanted them. Like how she told Alan Rickman the truth about Snape's character before anyone knew so he could play him accurately

Though I doubt she was very much in charge of the visuals

but that would be true for both series

I think the fact that they blocked AK in the third FB movie was nonsense and broke the lore

[olive swan]

Hermione got most of Ron's lines. He was reduced to a comic relief character. In the books, that's not the case.

Giving one character, Snape, more depth doesn't make the movies suddenly canon-compliant.

[frank jewel]

I'm not saying the movies are canon, but I also don't really see FB as canon

I'm just saying she was aware of what they were doing, and if something was terribly bad or out of place, she would have corrected them on it. So whatever they ended up with was apparently good enough.

[olive swan]

Yeah, that's up to you. I also tend to forget Cursed Child exists whenever it is convenient. lol

[frank jewel]

Yeah, AK can't be blocked, but they block it in FB, which is why I don't really see it as much better than the original movie series

in terms of canon material

[olive swan]

Yeah. I just found out that the Harry Potter wiki has a section for canon as well. lol

https://harrypotter.fandom.com/wiki/Canon

[sick night]

I wish the final battle between Harry and Voldemort was better in the movie.

[olive swan]

I am shocked.

[frank jewel]

Yeah I heard about this tier systembefore

[sick night]

Meant movie, not book. I just now edited it.

[frank jewel]

Voldemort definitely shouldn't have disintegrated like he did. It really missed the entire point of the books.

[olive swan]

Duels are piss poor in the WW to begin with. Really hope JKR does some elaboration on how they work and shows us some more in depth reasoning behind it.

[sick night]

Also, didn't Voldemort's real name become public knowledge after the Battle of Hogwarts?

[sick night]

Yeah, I didn't like that either. It didn't make sense.

[frank jewel]

It's really different scene to scene based on what the scene requires. Not really well defined at all in the books either. Honestly kind of boring most of the time. HP did not get popular due to its action

[olive swan]

Yeah, it is most peculiar how it turned into the cultural phenomenon it is today. If you really think about the lore, it's not really there. lol

Like a lot is either missing or never explained, or idk contradicting itself. But it's a book series that sold better than the Holy book itself.

[frank jewel]

It's because JK writes good mysteries and great characters. The magic is just a very fantastical setting

[turbid obsidian]

I heard once how jk actually sucks at worldbuilding

[frank jewel]

You can tell she planned out the story, but you can also tell she adds new fantastical elements in every book, which sometimes just discards something else she has added previously

[random moon]

This is what headcanon lore is for lol

[olive swan]

Ah, try rereading the first books. The adults are some of the stupidest people on the planet. lmao

[olive swan]

Amen.

[olive swan]

I belive she said in an interview that she never re-read her story. So, there is that. lmao

[frank jewel]

That would make a lot of sense

Especially as she added stuff on after the books

[cobalt jolt]

Though I like them best in FB

In the HP movies it just felt like a glorified laser fight, but in FB, the magic in combat feels much more magical

[modern moth]

Hello , may I ask what is the chat for ?

[undone zealot]

"Discuss the lore of the Wizarding World from the 1890s and the decades prior (maybe a bit later, too)."

[full crag]

Just swipe right to see

[vivid dove]

I find it funny that the minister of magic for this time period was one of the longer ones, from the 1870's to 1903, but the only real notable thing that happened to him was getting kicked by a centaur

Hopefully we hear a little more about him? A lot of the others seemed relatively interesting but this one is just a little bit of a meme honestly

Since the game has to do with a goblin rebellion in some aspect, and the player will probably be involved in that, it seems like maybe the ministry will be as well. From what we know, they might've taken an interest in us that may grow as the game progresses, perhaps we'll hear from the minister

[rare knot]

Has there been any explanation of how the Baslisk managed to leave the school plumbing system and attack students in a variety of different locations?

[boreal shuttle]

All the duels not involving either Dumbledore or Grindelwald are just as bad imo. That's really the main thing with the movie duels - and to a lesser extent the book duels as well - they're only engaging when one or two of the magical titans are involved.

[rare knot]

I really enjoyed reading the duel between Snape and McGonagall actually. It's a shame they seriously watered it down for the films - but I guess the CGI effort to bring it to life would have been too much.

[lone mauve]

I was wondering, if i kill someone in harry potter world using the killing curse avada kedavra, can i see a thestral, as their lore depicts only those who have seen death can see a thestral

[balmy ocean]

[modern moth]

In Harry Potter lmao, yah bc it’s his world 🌚

[cobalt jolt]

And it is one of the reasons people love the battle of the department of mysteries so much in the book

[random moon]

You need to witness, process and accept death.

So committing murder would give the sane result yes

[simple tide]

but i feel like itd not just be from killing ppl, itd be from actually having a traumatic experience

too easy to just use avada kedavra

[stone matrix]

Agreed

[worthy trench]

Dumbledore lifting the enchantments isn;t that big a deal. And did he even do it in FB era? Did JK say he did or the screenplays say he did. Cos if not then its logical to assume the actual headmaster/mistress of the time did or just gave AD permission to do it. LV himself forced his past the castle's enchantments and extra defenses in 1998.

[balmy ocean]

[cobalt jolt]

Also, remind me how far away they were from the castle itself? Maybe they arrived just out of range?

[worthy trench]

We know enchantments are lifted temporarily cos Jacob sees the castle as it is etc

Like either AD did it which he can no doubt do or the headmaster/mistress did it

like this is not a big deal

[cobalt jolt]

I think it was Dippet at the time

[stone matrix]

Are we sure the “anti muggle” charm doesn’t work same as secret keepers? Dumbledore took him there so he saw it, simple

*Newt took him there

[worthy trench]

anti muggle charm just makes people see old ruins or whatever and compells to turn away.

its not embedded into the soul from all indications

occams razor says AD or the headmaster/mistress lifted the protections to let them in

[vivid owl]

If they are brought inside the charms though, do they still effect the muggle or is it just like a barrier that if dragged past they'll be fine.

As far as I'm aware it's just a barrier and once past it they'd see everything as it is

[worthy trench]

shouldn't

the point is to keep muggles out. the charm makes them leave after seeing the uninteresting ruin illusion

so once it inside it should no longer effect them

Like all AD or the headmaster has to do it lift theanti apparition and muggle replling charms to let them in

thats it

and thats what happened

and we know hogwarts defenses can be forcefully breached from outside

so i imagine if the ministry really wanted to ( and some of them were apart of the group that were with jacob at end of fb2), they could break past the charms themselves. They do have a lot of aurors and unspeakables to do that

[vivid owl]

I think a muggle could just be picked up and carried through

no need to lift the anti-muggle charm, just force them through it and they'll be fine, it's not like it hurts them, just makes them think the area is uninteresting and that they should go somewhere else

[inner blade]

Just asking out of curiosity, I know the Unforgivable Curses were classified in 1717 by the British Ministry of Magic.

However, I was curious do we know any countries where curses are legal? Or just legal in self-defense?

[olive swan]

We don't.

But again, I would assume that killing someone carries a penalty regardless of country. Now the question is, how much sway said killer has and if the sentence of the killing is truly enforced. I think a lot of the nonsense that pops up in the books, can be explained away by powerful families lobbying a case and thus getting away with stuff, penalty free.

Now for the other two spells, there might be a similar rethoric, that in using them is frowned upon but they are never stated to be banned or illegal across the globe.

[cobalt jolt]

I would assume they are legal in the Nordic countries, since they are chill enough about dark arts to teach it to teenagers

[worthy trench]

I mean I doubt its that simple since the protections at the time were increased cos of GG. But otherwise a wizard could just do that probably assuming there isn't a magic shield blocking unauthrised entry by non-apparition. Can't even fly in normally it seems cos AD had to lift enchantments while they flew there

[inner blade]

I don't think Durmstrang is the Wizarding school for all the Nordic countries.

Considering all the factors, it seems too be eastern European. Not Nordic.

[olive swan]

It's somewhere in Scandinavia, mayhaps near the Russian Border.

The movies skewed the whole situation by quiet a bit.
It's never clearly stated how far The Institute's reach is and which countries' students would be allowed to attend the school.

JKR at least said in an interview that she thought it would be in Scandinavia somewhere.

Russian would still go to the Institute, so would Sweeds, Fins and Norwegians and some Eastern European magicals as well sans Muggle-born.

[inner blade]

And I think she's would be doing a mistake then.

But for my knowledge she's not ever definelty said. I would see fins maybe going. But non of the other Nordic countries if we consider history.

[olive swan]

History does not matter.

Hogwarts is in Scotland, and all of the UK goes there.

History is completely out of the window when it comes to WW. And mayhaps only important to children of muggle heritage.

Alas, that's my head canon otherwise it makes no sense.

[cobalt jolt]

The Eastern European countries are taught by Koldovstoretz, which is located on a frozen lake in Russia

[cobalt jolt]

That has always been one of my only nitpicks about WW

[olive swan]

Your only? Hmm, okay.

[cobalt jolt]

One of

[sharp snow]

There’s never been a location cited for Koldovstoretz other than Russia.

[cobalt jolt]

More recent info I found said a frozen lake. I think they might have given a specific name, but I don't remember if they did, or what it was

[sharp snow]

I think that was a fandom wiki.

[cobalt jolt]

Maybe, it was also on Harry Potter Theory

[sharp snow]

They might have taken it from that same source since there’s next to zero information on it. But I can guarantee you there’s no official location stated for it.

[cobalt jolt]

Ok, either way, Eastern European students attend Koldovstoretz

[cobalt jolt]

How do you get the elixir of life from the philosopher's stone?

That is something I have always wondered about

[worthy trench]

we don;t know

not likely to

i assume flamal just shaved pieces off or something

[cobalt jolt]

That is my best guess

[worthy trench]

or the elixir poured from it

like its magic so

my question is, is there a limit

[cobalt jolt]

Or maybe he melted it

[worthy trench]

like if he shaves pieces off

or melts pieces

then there's a limit

since he'd run out of stone

or make more

which he could do

[cobalt jolt]

I assume he could

[worthy trench]

since he has to drink elixir often

he did it once

so he can do it again

he surely kept the process in his head or on paper somewhere if not

[cobalt jolt]

He probably had to record it somehow

[worthy trench]

yah

especially as he worked to make it

wonder if the stone goes through the RL process to do so in WW verse

accrording to various alchemical works

like the different stages

and colors

which produce different effects

before you get to the final stage

[cobalt jolt]

I mean, the philosopher's stone isn't real

[worthy trench]

I know

but i wonder is the process the same as per the instructions that exist in rl

there is RL instructions that alchemists used in the attempt

like the stone was said to be done in stages

you get different colors as you go

and they produce different effects

like one color gives you silver

another gives you that and a pancea maybe

[cobalt jolt]

How well do they actually work?

[worthy trench]

i mean it doesn't exist

but alchemists presumably tried the methods that are written down to do it

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnum_opus_(alchemy)

and the Emerald Tablet allegedly contained the instructions aswell

[cobalt jolt]

Do you think those instructions would work for wizards?

[worthy trench]

Maybe

i mean they have magic

and i just if the WW verse method uses the magnum opus for it

[cobalt jolt]

I also head cannon that chemistry was created as an attempt from muggles to recreate potions, and alchemy, since irl, that is sort of what it started off as, before evolving into our modern understanding of chemistry

[worthy trench]

Possibly yah though chemist stuff has been known since antiquity

with priests and such using it to make followers think certain effects the doing of their gods or to induce visions

[cobalt jolt]

Oh?

[woeful hemlock]

hi

[inner blade]

Krum is from Bulgaria....

[cobalt jolt]

Bulgaria seems like the exception

[inner blade]

Not really, there's 2 named characters from there. And it would be the weirdest exception in history, Bulgaria borders Turkey

[cobalt jolt]

Personally, I think Turkish wizards would probably be in Beauxbatons' school district

But I said Bulgaria is probably the exception, not Krum

All the official stuff I looked at said they only teach the Nordic countries

Which does make some sense, since Hogwarts doesn't teach outside The British Isles

[inner blade]

I done some research, with the regards too only canon sources like official pictures or Wizarding World Websites (since the fandom wiki are so unreliable).

It's only said too be Northern European, and if you look at the map from
https://www.wizardingworld.com/writing-by-jk-rowling/wizarding-schools

You see it places the school in well former Imperial Russian lands.

Sweden has occupied some of it once. But really Finland is the only other Nordic candidate.

[sharp snow]

The founder of Durmstrang was Bulgarian, so not sure how that exception works. I think Durmstrang's location has more to do with secrecy than anything else.

[olive swan]

It conflicts with JKR's interview. The question is who is correct in this one.

It's somewhere in Scandinavia, so that still stands.

[cobalt jolt]

Also, maybe I am just asking because it's 1 in the morning, but what is that island at the top right?

[inner blade]

Can I get a source for that interview?

And I think she might have changed her mind. Since the evidence points away from it being there.

Like the map would be completely off the mark, it doesn't touch any Scandinavia country on the map.

And the maps is official.

[cobalt jolt]

Maybe she just didn't know what she was talking about, like when she said the gene that allows people to use magic is dominant

[olive swan]

http://www.accio-quote.org/articles/2000/1209-hpfgu-scruton.html

[cobalt jolt]

Even though, if that were true, magic would be about as prevalent as brown hair

[olive swan]

lmao. It's her world, she can do whatever the hell she wants.

[cobalt jolt]

True

[inner blade]

True, but I am allowed to give criticism.

And she's kinda famous for changing her mind on stuff.

And honestly, i would say the map is better evidence that's its not in Scandinavia.

[sharp snow]

The maps are an approximation. The location for Ilvermorny looks closer to Montreal than Massachusetts. I wouldn't put much stock in the map. It's just providing a general location.

[inner blade]

Since at least the page its was created on the Wizarding World site was published 2016.

Then there's the theres the fact she wrote the page. So, 7 think she would oversee the art there.

[inner blade]

It would make sense, Canada wasn't really a country until modern history.

And still the area it reaches the northern lands of the United States.

[sharp snow]

That doesn't change the location of Mt. Greylock? I mean it's in the general vicinity which is my point. The Wizarding Schools map isn't supposed to reveal an exact location. Durmstrang's location is closely guarded even among wizards. So putting it somewhere around Finland still works.

[olive swan]

Russia has their own school, so not sure why you're so vehemently against Scandinavia or Finland having one.

[inner blade]

Except, it still would conflict against the interview.

[cobalt jolt]

How?

[inner blade]

Because Finland isn't Sweden or Norway

[cobalt jolt]

But it is Nordic

So is Denmark

[sharp snow]

Well the same interview says that Order would be shorter than Goblet, lol, so grain of salt.

[cobalt jolt]

And Iceland

[inner blade]

That's my point.

The interview isn't a reliable source and I think since the map is the most modern source and has JKR writing the article, it's probably in Greater Finland or slightly south, closer too the Baltic nation.

[olive swan]

And if we're being pedantic here, Russia did not exist in the 13th century when the school allegedly was created. The grand duchy of Moscow payed tribute to the Mongols. So, there is that.

[inner blade]

You mean this?

[cobalt jolt]

That does make the thing about Salazar Slytherin's time there odd, since that's 300 years after he was alive

[inner blade]

You should learn a bit more about Russian history.

The map WW wouldn't even conflict with the Grand Dutchy of Moscow

[cobalt jolt]

Everything I know before the USSR, was how it was founded by Swedish Norse, and named after that group's leader, Rus

[cobalt jolt]

So what about Koldovstoretz?

[olive swan]

What makes what odd?

[inner blade]

Then maybe do some more research? Also, Swedish Norse? There's no such thing. Norse are Norwegian. Swede are Swedish and Danes are Danish

[cobalt jolt]

The fact Salazar Slytherin likely died before Durmstrang was even a concept, but it was also alleged that he spent time there, and that is why they hate muggleborns

[inner blade]

Russian is kinda large if you didn't know. It would be definitely possible and justified Russia having 2-3 school whitin their lands. Especially considering the poor infrastructure.

[olive swan]

Bruh, Africa has one and Russia gets three?

Not sure why you care this much. lmao

It's fiction.

[inner blade]

Africa has one we know of, JK Rowling has hinted before we don't know about most of them

"Smaller and less well-regulated institutions have come and gone, are difficult to keep track of, and are rarely registered with the appropriate Ministry"

[cobalt jolt]

Going to sleep now

[inner blade]

It's fiction based in something called our world.

[inner blade]

You sleep well then. Hope you get some good rest.

[sharp snow]

I think it's more likely that Durmstrang serves Eastern Europe particularly wizards that align with their philosophy, while Koldovstoretz takes Russia and perhaps any Muggleborns that don't homeschool or are rejected from Durmstrang.

[inner blade]

Also, regards too Koldovstoretzs, it's probably not really. Not finding anything on it.

[sharp snow]

It's real, it's just never been officially announced. It was included in Pottermore tie-in games, which is how we even know about it at all.

[inner blade]

I don't find it on the Wizarding World site, you sure?

[olive swan]

I still don't get why you're so against the Institute being somewhere in Finland and serving nordic countries and Scandinavia?

[sharp snow]

It's not on the WW site, because like I said it was never formally announced.

[inner blade]

Because too be frank, most of us Scandinavia doesn't like Russias (aka no hate, but certainly not like)

[olive swan]

It really doesn't matter. To most wizards, borders are a construct of Muggles.

If you're a muggle, there might be a case to be had.

But if you could traverse big chunks of lands when the fasted means of transport were still horses, you really don't think about auch silly things as borders and barriers - that's my head canon at least

[inner blade]

But let me ask you this, what's the problem with it laying in Russia northern west ? Around the former Grand Dutchy of Moscow?

[sharp snow]

A student was included in a potion's competition for the Book of Potions game, and the anecdote about Koldovstoretz students playing quidditch on uprooted trees was included in an edition of HP books in 2014. That's why there are the images of students flying on trees on the Wizarding Schools map.

[inner blade]

Then I would probably bet that it's actually one of the small schools.

[sharp snow]

As in, not one of the premier 11? Because I find it hard to believe it would be name dropped anywhere otherwise.

[inner blade]

Was talking on the ones on the map.

Can definitely be one of the 11th.

[sharp snow]

Yeah, I think it has to be. I'd place the other three in China, India, and Australia based on information gleaned from other sources.

[inner blade]

Australia would probably be a excellent location for a school. Considering how empty it is, when you leave the coast

[sharp snow]

Plenty of room for it, for sure. I believe someone asked her if there was one in Australia and she told them to keep watching [Pottermore]. I'm going to assume that's a soft confirmation.

[inner blade]

Yeah probably. Or just her encouraging people to use it.

I only use that for information on the Wizarding World.

And definitely, it be easy to hide a school in Australia.

[inner blade]

That's cool. Maybe FB will go there? Idk.

[olive swan]

The movies are dead in the water at the moment, so unsure.

[olive swan]

Nothing. I said it was in Scandinavia or Finland somewhere, e.g. The far north.

[glossy yoke]

Where’s my Australian wizard school!!! And the Australian ministry of magic, I want a kangaroo patronus

[orchid dagger]

I'd be very wary of what we name some spells, though...

[severe blaze]

They are sent to an Island called Australia, comparable to Azkaban

😉

[worthy trench]

Where does that info come from?

[modern moth]

Is there anything to do with harry potter after watching the 8 movies and the 7 books

???

I am pretty confused

Could someone help me out

[frank jewel]

Wizarding World website maybe?

[modern moth]

👍

[olive swan]

Cursed Child.

[modern moth]

Ok

What is it a movie or is there a book

[worthy trench]

play

[worthy trench]

not mentioend there. i check his page and drumstrang

[olive swan]

There is a book as well. The play is extremly well made. The story is hot garbage though.

[mystic seal]

Ah yes the “Eighth Harry Potter Book”

Only saving Grace was Albus and Scorpius

[cobalt jolt]

I remember it being on WW

[olive swan]

Source or it does not exist.

[cobalt jolt]

Check there, it's as good a place to any to start looking

[olive swan]

I did not state it as a fact. lol
Why bother?

[worthy trench]

I check his page and Drumstrang. No mention of him visiting there

[cobalt jolt]

Ok

Though it does also beg the question why Durmstrang hates muggle-borns so much

[modern moth]

Than you so much guys

[worthy trench]

Hating muggle-borns isn't limited to Salazar

never was

He doesn't need to have any involvement in Drumgstrang's enrolement policies

[cobalt jolt]

But I would assume he was the one that started that whole "muggle-borns stole magic from Pure-Bloods" tomfoolery his descendant spewed

And I don't buy that that was because of the witch-hunts, the earliest of those started LONG after Salazar Slytherin was alive

[worthy trench]

No that was a LV thing from all indications

And Salazar's views weren't shared by most of the WW in his time

according to the WW website

[cobalt jolt]

LV?

[worthy trench]

Voldy

[cobalt jolt]

Oh, ok

[worthy trench]

No one was going on about muggles stealing magic until he took over from all info we have

[cobalt jolt]

And I thought that started with Salazar Slytherin

[worthy trench]

Not likely

[lilac sky]

not really and the muggle steal magic thing comes from LV using the ignorance of pure bloods how magic people come to be, there is a damn good reason why weasleys got tons of kids while pureblood unions never eclipsed 2 kids if any. Of course its only a theory, but it would seem that squib lines that were cast into the muggle world emerged the "newbloods" but we will never actually know. Had Hermione done a Bloodtest at Gringotts would she been the heir to the Dagworth-Granger Bloodline ?

[cobalt jolt]

I thought it was older than LV

[rotund portal]

Hello, do you think we can have beard ingame ?

[uneven garnet]

We’re 15 so maybe

[coral kestrel]

Are there any muggle-borns in slytherin? Or the sorting hat just follows Salazars guidelines and puts them elsewhere even if they have the slyth personality traits?

Somehow this never occurred to me as a question to ask, lol.

[lusty relic]

they do allow muggle born i believe

[dark haven]

a quick google search implies that being a muggleborn slytherin is possible

[coral kestrel]

Probably when Salazar left the other 3 founders we're like 'listen here sorting hat-' 😆

[boreal shuttle]

Remember that we don't know for sure if this is actually true - the only source we have for Durmstrang hating/not admitting Muggle-borns is Draco and he is a questionable source at best.

[olive swan]

This whole blood test thing is nonsense and pure fanfiction.

We know basically next to nothing about Goblins and how their magic works.

[lilac sky]

conjecture or basically its a theory, problem is here that lk never actually described how people identify themselves with the bank should they loose their key it gets stolen. So you cant say its pure fanfiction because we dont have factual hands on knowledge

Sure Fanfiction take their own ideas and go with it but thats because the working of Gringotts are open ended and nobody knows better, so i based a theory on that open endness

[lilac sky]

The reason why muggleborn actually rarely end up in Slytherin is there little knowledge about the wizarding world, if they dont know what to aim for, whats important and so on they cant do that sheming and ambition thing, slytherin is known for. So they end up in one of the other three houses, they wanna go for books, want have more friends or just play and party around. Really its a toss up. But if you are a Muggleborn and plan to introduce something awesome to the magic world, you may have plan already forming, then slytherin could be for you.

Of course abused Newbloods have shoe in to Slytherin too, because they have to be hidden, sheming how to get most out of their situation or just to survive, like each house has a shadow side to itself.

Tom Riddle for example didnt know he was a half blood at first, but honestly i dont know how he actually found out about his history.

[olive swan]

She actually did. First of all, Goblins did let Harry enter his vault without asking for additional identification later in the books. ~ Chamber of Secrets

There also is an instance in Deathly Hallows where Hermione poses as Bellatrix and is asked for her wand to identify herself.

So, blood tests aren't even a good theory, since there has been absolutely no indication in the books or JKR herself, that Goblins use blood to begin with.

[lilac sky]

Which is strange on itself if you think about it, goblins identified by key but why the wand ?

But still maybe she adds it later on or we can interpret it how we want, is it possible to test which family you have ties to ? Thats the real question at the end. FF Authors used Goblins as their point of Reference because they worked with different magics then wizards.

[olive swan]

Strange or not, that is canon. Blood tests, and vault rings and whatnot is fanfiction and not lore. If you want to discuss topics from that point, mention it as such and don't state it as fact.

Who knows, blood magic might take a centre role in HL. Alas, HL ain't canon, so there is that.

[lilac sky]

i never stated it as a fact, sorry if you misunderstood it as well

[lilac sky]

HL still place in Wizarding World Lore if you read the FAQ, they have the Support from JK

[olive swan]

Takes inspiration from the source, but it's not Canon. I had that discussion last week already. It. Is. Not. Canon.

[lilac sky]

#lore message read it again i definitely stated its a theory

[lilac sky]

never said its canon, i said it holds itself to the rules of the wizarding world, are you misinterpreting my words just because you can ?

[olive swan]

I said nothing different, HL is not Canon. That's all. You mentioned it being part of the lore and whatnot. All I said is that it's not Canon.

[lilac sky]

Thats not what i meant, HL does take the Wizarding World Lore into Account but isnt part of it, its not a JK Rowling Production, not one of her stories but the game itself tries to hold itself to the rules and lore presented at that time to give a factual immersion. At least i hope thats what they meant, the FAQ reads itself something awful at times

[feral niche]

This was such a Slytherin conversation

Arguing to agree is incredible

[worthy trench]

Well he's dead and regardless of blood, Slytherin's other values and traits could suit the muggleborn better at the time of sorting over their other traits. Like if a muggleborn has great ambition and is a clever and resourceful person more than the traits valued by the other houses founders, that'll get you put in Slytherin cos Salazar valued those traits.

[worthy trench]

He learned his mom was a witch and his dad was muggle so he did

[cobalt jolt]

As far as I know, that started after the battle of Hogwarts

[cobalt jolt]

Didn't Krum mention something about it?

[boreal shuttle]

He didn't.

[olive swan]

He went to the Yule Ball with Hermione, that's why some people think that despite the Institute not allowing Muggle-born children to attend, not everyone shares prejudicial views against them, otherwise Krum would not have taken Hermione to the ball.

There ought to be some Muggle-born Slytherins.

..Well, well, looks like we really 'ave caught a little Slytherin." said Scabior. "Good for you, Vernon, 'cause there ain't a lot of Mudblood Slytherins. Who's your father?"

DH, chapter 23. So, there have been some, if Scabior's words are to be trusted.

[dim loom]

Wait I thought Slytherins were only stigmatised during the voldemort era and were mostly find before that? Cas it’s just ambition innit ?

[random moon]

Slytherin has a long history of being a house commonly frequented by old Pureblood families, who often still clung to old Pureblood traditions and subsequent prejudices.

The founder himself believed that Muggle borns shouldn’t be allowed admission to the school.

The prejudices in Slytherin, while not a thing every Slytherin believes in, date back to the very founding of it,

[cobalt jolt]

True, though like with what I mentioned about Bulgaria being in Durmstrang's school district, despite not being one of the Norse countries, he might be the exception

[boreal shuttle]

I still think JKR would have included Durmstrang not accepting Muggle-born students in the official WW/Pottermore article if it were actually the case and Draco was just talking nonsense to rile the trio up, as usual.

[thorn zinc]

Idk, wasn't the Durmstrang headmaster a Death Eater?

[cobalt jolt]

Though I do head cannon that Durmstrang tries to teach anti muggle-born propaganda, but that most of them don't really buy into it

[thorn zinc]

It wouldn't surprise me if Durmstrang was prejudiced against muggleborns- especially based on their headmaster who served Voldemort who was definitely against muggles and muggleborns.

Is that the same as not letting them in? Not necessarily. But I'm not sure either way.

Of course Viktor did mention the sign of Grindelwald being on the wall, which I know he didn't like. And others too

It's hard to tell if that tells the full vibe of Durmstrang though

“Grindelvald killed many people, my grandfather, for instance. Of
course, he vos never poverful in this country, they said he feared
Dumbledore— and rightly, seeing how he vos finished. But this”—
he pointed a finger a Xenophilius— “this is his symbol, recognized
it at vunce: Grindelvald carved it into a vall at Durmstrang ver he
vos a pupil there. Some idiots copied it into their books and clothes,
thinking to shock, make themselves impressive—until those of us
who had lost family members to Grindelvald taught them better.”

[boreal shuttle]

That is true but JKR explicitly mentions Karkaroff's time as headmaster as the "second dark period in Durmstrang’s history", which suggests that he was the exception, not the rule.

[thorn zinc]

True, and the antics of other students seems alike to just teenager antics rather than genuinely bad people

[thorn zinc]

Do you think there would be a chance that during Karkaroff's time, what Draco said was true?

But in general, was not the case?

[boreal shuttle]

Yeah, that could actually be the case, now that you've said it.

[thorn zinc]

Because I'd be very surprised if Karkaroff was happy with muggleborns in the school- as a death eater (would make him look pretty bad to voldy). And if him being dark magic user was the exception, not the rule, then perhaps the muggleborn thing was too

But of course to Draco, you look at a school as it is now, not as it was or as it could be

[worthy trench]

Dunno if he was a DE before or while headmaster. I thought he only became Headmaster after he turned on DEs

[cobalt jolt]

Didn't Sirius say no one ever stops being a death eater?

[worthy trench]

I mean Snape did. People can change their views and ways.

[cobalt jolt]

True, though in Karkaroff's case, wasn't it more cowardice, than attonement?

[random moon]

Karkaroff sold out other Death Eaters to be pardoned be pardoned. He didn’t go back when Voldy summoned the Death Eaters to the Graveyard.

[cobalt jolt]

And that was why he was killed?

[worthy trench]

Yah Karkaroff's views didn't change it seems, he just didnt' want to go to jail

and was killed for it

[random moon]

Yup. When Voldy returned he ran.

So he was hunted down

[worthy trench]

Hell LV would put blood supremacy beneath his own self-preservation and agenda if had to or if it got in his way

Like everything was secondary to his desire for rule and immortality

He took advantage of and exploited something that already existed cos he saw it as an easier way to power

and due to his misplaced hatred of muggles due to his daddy issues

[cobalt jolt]

Though I think he should have just fled with Naghini, and had his mooks take care of Harry, when he realized they were picking off his horcruxes

[worthy trench]

Yah not his way

He had to do it

in his mind

Its who he is

[cobalt jolt]

Like, I get it, your ego won't let you make someone else kill him, but he's breaking all of the only stuff that's keeping you alive

[worthy trench]

Yah for all his cleverness and power he is foolish and illogical

The only time he actually allowed someone else to kill HP was book 1 when he ordered Quirrel to do it

After that, he decided it must be him

though ironically his own soul fragment may have pulled it off without his knowledge in book 2 if things went different

LV didn't seem aware of what went on there till after some time later

[cobalt jolt]

Yeah, and I have seen some videos talking about what would have happened if Voldemort won the battle of Hogwarts. As horrible as those timelines would have been, I think his victory would have been short lived

Since in all of those scenarios, he had lost all his horcruxes, and some of his strongest soldiers were either dead, or they had fled

[worthy trench]

His long term goal was gona be harder at least cos conquering the world is a different story than just the magical gov of a single country

[cobalt jolt]

Yeah, and most dictatorships don't outlive the original dictator, at least not very long

Same goes for cults

[worthy trench]

And muggles were good at killing witches and wizards back in the middle ages nevermind modern day

where we have nukes and modern tech

[cobalt jolt]

Yeah, we scared then into hiding before we even had guns

[worthy trench]

also their low population makes their victory in all out war slim if not outright impossible

and LV would be opposed by most of the WW

i think

[cobalt jolt]

And without the support of Muggle-Borns, or blood traitors, he would also likely be DANGEROUSLY outnumbered

[worthy trench]

He's outnumbered anyway

[cobalt jolt]

And I have seen some stuff claim he would have waited, and built up his resources, and power, before invading the rest of the world, but what if MACUSA just decided to march on Britain during that time?

[worthy trench]

Or the other ministries.

Im not they would have tbh since they did nothing during his reign in the books

It seems they have the attitude of its not our problem

until it is

[cobalt jolt]

And there are some videos explaining some possible ideas why

[worthy trench]

The rest of WW may have only acted once he attacked them

but didn't bother cos he was only attacking one country

[cobalt jolt]

And that's not even mentioning the infighting that would no doubt result after his death, since they would probably have schemed for power grabs

[worthy trench]

like RL nations

LVs death if he gained power would have caused his reigme to collaspe

His grasp on power was based on his followers

a small group compared to those they oppress

if he or they fall, its over

[cobalt jolt]

And unlike Grindelwald, who had the genuine respect, loyalty, and admiration of his followers, Old-No-Nose ruled through fear

[worthy trench]

Pretty much

GG also had the charisma

[cobalt jolt]

Long story short, even if Voldemort would have won, I doubt that would have lasted long

[worthy trench]

Problably not i think

Heck if he's taken out once with a Horcrux, he has to do his whole ritual process all over

[cobalt jolt]

Yeah, and I think at the point he died, his soul was already so unstable that he wouldn't have been able to

[worthy trench]

Dunno bout that but he'd need to get the ingediants again and he'd need people to help

He'd also need Nagini or another snake like her for her venom for his initial temp body before the ritual

which he would also need help with

Like he was lucky Pettigrew went to find him

cos no one else bar Crouch and Bellatrix would

He admitted he was resigned to wandering forever as a disembodied soul after the stone plan failed.

[charred trench]

eloooooooo

[torn urchin]

btw im not sure but dooes one actally need to hit the other guy with spells or just aim and shoot
like aim assist
do wands have aim assist

[brave echo]

Do you want them to have aim assist ?

[torn urchin]

with a mouse no, with a controller

of course

i cant aim for crap with a controller

but im not talking in game i mean like in the universe

[abstract hamlet]

in the showcase it lookt like some sort of targeting assist

[torn urchin]

i mean again , im asking for lore not really for the game

[abstract hamlet]

https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxNZxRbnXtag4git4oo7me8Zb-_5dpyqIx

not if u look at this 😛

[torn urchin]

makes sense

on the other hand the people in the movies really do be aiming wherever and still somehow hitting stuff

[brave echo]

Gamers play fps games with controllers very well.

[torn urchin]

no console peasants do

[brave echo]

A controller is a controller whether it is used to play on PC or console

[torn urchin]

why would anyone of their own free will use a controller to play games where you need to aim when you have the mouse

[brave echo]

I have seen people play games on controller on PC. Some games are fun if you play with the controller.

[hushed tundra]

hi y’all!

[torn urchin]

yeah but not where you aim , like fifa sure , ac makes sense but cs nah

[hushed tundra]

Yeah I agree, every game calls for a specific input way that’ll go better with the gameplay

I mean I know people who prefer controller over mouse and keyboard for COD!

[torn urchin]

mental i tell ya

[hushed tundra]

Haha I agree. I prefer keyboard and mouse for fps, but the more people I talk to, I’m leaning towards getting a controller for HL

[abstract hamlet]

i think controller for HL is gonna be optimal TBH might have to get one for my PC:P

[worthy trench]

I just realized one ancient spell is lightning that disintegrates the target it hits. Identical to a spell in BBCs Merlin

[cobalt jolt]

With the stuff Beauxbatons, and Durmstrang did for their arrival to Hogwarts, in Goblet, what do you think the other schools would have done?

In one rp I did, there was a similar event where Ilvermorny had its students singing the song Queenie, and Tina did in that deleted scene, while some Pukwudgies fired their quills into the air, that the students blasted with firework spells

[sharp snow]

It seems like Magic Awakened is doing a Triwizard Tournament of sorts with Ilvermorny and Mahoutokoro. They’ve chosen to fly in on a carriage with a hot-air balloon. Mahoutokoro fly in on their storm petrels.

[cobalt jolt]

Storm petrels?

[worthy trench]

Big birds

[tired hornet]

Fun fact: Gringotts was filmed in the Australia House's Exhibition Hall in London, constructed in 1918 for the first movie.

[cobalt jolt]

I thought it was all green screen

[unreal drift]

does anyone know much about the great lake drought which happened in world lore around the 1850s? i was wondering if it's going to have an effect on the game and whether or the great lake will be a location in game.

[candid karma]

im not sure but in the gameplay trailer it does say late 1800s

so the game takes place around 1860-1890

[unreal drift]

Hmm, hopefully it isn't locked behind a paywall like some of the other features

[candid karma]

like the dark arts pack?

[candid karma]

did that drought occur in england at all?

[unreal drift]

yeah

[random moon]

The game takes place in 1890

[candid karma]

has it been confirmed?

just wondering

[random moon]

From the SoP

[candid karma]

cause all i saw is the devs say late 1800s

[candid karma]

interesting

in september?

that's close to 1891

[random moon]

September 1st

First day of the school year for Hogwarts

[candid karma]

is that when our character attends the school?

[random moon]

Yeah that’s from when we see the MC in a flying carriage with Fig and a man we assume is from the Ministry, on the way to Hogwarts

[candid karma]

okay

[modern moth]

You can hear a train blow its whistle in one of the hogsmeade videos. Hopefully hogwarts express makes a cutscene entrance

[plain thunder]

do we know if werewolves are in the game?

[lilac sky]

how old is the steam train, i thought our character arrives by carriage.

[modern moth]

Nothing has suggested they are

[random moon]

If they’re arriving after the train has left due to other circumstances then taking a carriage with a teacher makes sense.

[modern moth]

https://harrypotter.fandom.com/wiki/Hogwarts_Express. Made pre 1830

[lilac sky]

yeah my question was a bit false formalized, i meant, when did the wizard stole the train ?

[modern moth]

Good question. The locomotive was invented in 1804. Idk enough information about the specifics of THAT locomotive or how quickly the tech was implemented.

[random moon]

They stole it right after it was made

They stole the track too lol

[umbral mortar]

So about the sortimg hat. I noticed that in the books the students places the hat on themselves, but in the movies McGonagall does it for them

[plain thunder]

i just found something

[modern moth]

What'd you find?

[plain thunder]

the bottom

[modern moth]

Lupus means wolf. "Decrease damage taken from wolves." Sorry mate. That youtuber knew what he was doing with that, just a scam

[plain thunder]

it was from hogwarts legacy

tru tho

[random moon]

I think it’s for Mongrels tbh

As the Wolf looking things can’t be wolves as they were extinct in 1890, had been for a long time.

Most likely they’re magically bred dogs, therefore Mongrels.

And the scientific name for dogs is Canis Lupus familiaris. So that’s what the Lupus protection is more likely for.

Because werewolves would only be an issue for one night a month. So it wouldn’t make sense to protection for that

[modern moth]

could be

cuz u wouldnt exactly be fighting spiders, inferi, etc every day

but it has protection for them

[random moon]

But they’ll have particular areas you’ll find them

So if you want to go dungeon diving or deep into the Forbidden Forest then you slap on some Inferni or spider protection

But werewolves would only be a thing for one night a month. Which would make it silly.

Werewolves also aren’t a confirmed enemy

Makes much more sense for it to Mongrel protection, because we know they’re confirmed and they resemble wolves

[modern moth]

What about the permanent werewolfs in the forbidden forest?

[random moon]

You mean the very very rare phenomenon of two transformed werewolves breeding and having fully Wolf offspring?

That’s such a rare thing. And the wolves it produces are considerably more intelligent than normal wolves. So they’d know better than to attack people

And again, it’s such a rare thing that it wouldn’t make sense for them to be a regular enemy.

Mongrels make sense and are confirmed enemies

[modern moth]

We'll see I guess.

There probably are werewolf enemies though.

[balmy ocean]

[brave echo]

Is gobbledegook another word for lies ?

[random moon]

Yes but it’s also the name of the Goblin language