lore

[wooden copper]

Why 18

Why not 25 when the brain is fully developed

Why not 30 for some people because it depends on body

Weird argument lol

[frank jewel]

The 1 second between 17 and 18 is where your body gets injected with all the right answers, don't you know?

[wooden copper]

Of course. And if they're 1 second too young that's jail.

We all know all dating starts at 18. No dating at Hogwarts everyone. Umbridge says so

[viral badger]

As this has nothing to do with lore of the game . Let's get back on topic please

[wooden copper]

https://tenor.com/view/dolores-umbridge-harry-potter-gif-25832648

[wooden copper]

The context is should dating be allowed at Hogwarts

There was no need to delete that

<@&755190193367023772>

I know

[scenic plover]

What happened

[viral badger]

Certain topics are best not said

[wooden copper]

Not really

Two 16 year olds dating is no issue

There's a reason most countries have it at that age

[scenic plover]

Move on

[wooden copper]

idk how you watched the Yule Ball scenes then

💀

Hermione and Viktor must've sent you out the theater

[modern moth]

Nothing Sir
All ok🫡

[viral badger]

You've been asked to move on.

[worthy trench]

I'd like if the game or a Portkey future game delved into this potential Merlin written book or potential Merlin owned box

and the potential mark of merlin

[fallen lantern]

Does a wand actually need to be a wand? Like there is obviously wandless casting but with a wand you are just using it to focus & channel magic thru right. Would it be possible wand could be like a bracelet

[worthy trench]

Probably

U can have a staff, an amulet or other tool probably.

Magic tools just help focus magic better for magic users, so they are used more often than not but they ain't required. The only exception is the Elder wand which explicitly amplifies the power of any spell it casts making it better than any magical tool since none are known to be capable of the same and making it better than any wandless magic spell in terms of power since wandless would not amplify the spell though it may not matter if the Elder wand user's amplified power boosted spell doesn't match up to the power of the wandless spell (the two spell users won't always be at the same default power or skill level afterall).

Basically tools are good for focusing magic better in general but a skill wandless should I think be able to cast just as good a spell without the magical tool

unless its the elder wand they use

[stuck epoch]

You need some kind of thing to channel your magic through be it wand finger or whatever else

[stone matrix]

Hagrid uses an umbrella (with fragments of wand in it but still… you could put fragments of wands in anything. It’s what the wand is made of not how it’s shaped)

[brave echo]

Mcgonnagall and Dumbledore use only thier hands for some.

Harry too

[stuck epoch]

yes like i said

it doesnt matter what you use you just have to use somethin

[worthy trench]

You don't need any tools to use magic, just the skill. Hence the existence of wandless magic

Also you need to have the magic gene.

Otherwise forget it

[stuck epoch]

the tool being your finger hand

you need something to channel your magic through or it wont work

[worthy trench]

ya i think they mean a magical tool like wand or something, not your own fingers

[stuck epoch]

that also yes

dont matter as long as you do use something

[stuck epoch]

like i said here

[worthy trench]

some magic you don't even need gesturses but its limited to teleportation basicaly from what i recall

[random moon]

Though magic can happen in young magical folk. Often a bit erratic or uncontrollable because they don’t yet know how to focus of control it. Often triggered during states of heightened emotions.

Like Harry vanishing the glass of the Boa Constrictors display at the zoo.

And young Tom Riddle at the Orphanage. He claimed he could make people do what he wanted.

Animagi don’t use gestures to change and that transformation is a form of Transfiguration magic.

Similar case with Metamorphmagi and skilled Legimens (like Goldie who could read thoughts/feelings without needing to gesture or use her wand)

Gestures can help with magic that needs to be guided or aimed.

But some is innate or even more like a reflex action. Not a conscious one, due to high emotional states.

[worthy trench]

Ur correct on such magic, but I mean more in the case of spell castings, I think hand gestures or minimal such are required for those used with a wand. But then I also imagine the most powerful wizards/witches could do some of them without hand gestures but you'd still have to point ur hand to ur target for some spells.

Like AK and Exspelliarmus

[brave echo]

What about the time when harry flickered the lights and made his aunt into a balloon . He wasn't using his hands or wand then

[stuck epoch]

read this

[brave echo]

Interesting

[stuck epoch]

he was just hella mad cause she insulted dumbledor and didnt actively cast magic (he was surprised as well) like the time at the zoo

[brave echo]

When harry was talking to the boa constrictor , do others hear it as parstletongue or normal words ? The scene was in Harry's pov

[stuck epoch]

parseltongue like the time he talked to the snake in the duel

others just didnt pay attention to him at the zoo

[brave echo]

When the snake said "thanks" and he said "anytime". That was parstletongue as well ?

[stuck epoch]

yes

all the times when he talked to a snake it was parseltongue

the time he talked to nagini disguised as the old lady was also in parseltongue

[merry cosmos]

Parseltongue sounds like hissing so they heard hissing without being able to understand, meanwhile harry could make the hissing into words in his brain

[stuck epoch]

hermione did notice that he was talking weird but probably didnt think to much about it or just didnt really hear him i forgot that

[stuck epoch]

its just like any other language you dont undestand it unless you know the language

just a little more special cause its a fantasy language

[merry cosmos]

yeah - others wouldnt even know they were talking because usually snakes dont talk

[brave echo]

And how did Ron speak parstletongue to open the chamber of secrets. Did Ron know parstletongue at that time or was it just luck ?

[merry cosmos]

mimicked what harry said in his sleep

[stuck epoch]

he learned it from harry

cause harry speaked it in his sleep

[brave echo]

It's too much of a coincidence that harry would say the exact words that would unlock the chamber of secrets in his sleep.

[stuck epoch]

only thing it took was to say "open"

[merry cosmos]

i doubt that - harry only spoke when he needed to open something in parseltongue

[stuck epoch]

ron just did trial and error

without us seeing the error

[merry cosmos]

in the books he mentioned that it took a couple tried to get it right

[brave echo]

Yeah , he did it right the first time.

[stuck epoch]

in the movies it was cut for convenience

[merry cosmos]

like so many other things ; . ;

[stuck epoch]

you only have so much time after all

sadly

[merry cosmos]

yup

imagine if they re-did it in a couple years as a series instead, where each chapter is an episode

i would love to see that - i would want it to be as faithful to the books as possible

[brave echo]

I would totally watch it

[brave echo]

Iam getting more and more convinced to read the books because I know nothing even after all these years

[brave echo]

How is quidditch mentioned in the books ? Is it like a commentatory in a sports game ?

[merry cosmos]

yes! exactly - also the commentary is soo funny when it brings the different commentators' personalities out :D and i 100% recommend reading the books. they make the magic so much more real. ive read them 4 times now and each time they are still equally as amazing

[finite maple]

I’m reading the 3rd book, I’m currently on the last chapter but the commentary for the match Gryffindor vs Slytherin was hilarious lol I enjoyed it. First time reading the books btw

[brave echo]

Does the books mention only Gryffindor vs Slytherin or does it show quidditch with other houses as well ?

[merry cosmos]

all teams

[modern wraith]

I wish they made 6 hours movies but were split into parts.

[modern moth]

You just joined and boosted the server
How cool you are!!!

[modern wraith]

I am so mad I didn’t know it existed before this lmao

I am beyond geeked to play with you all when the game drops!

[brave echo]

Technically you can't. It's a single player game

[modern wraith]

Not with* but you know what I mean, play while y'all play ya feel

[wooden copper]

I think I’d give it a year max until a multiplayer mod is released

[brave echo]

Yeah I get it.

[brave echo]

But I would love to play with y'all if they do a multiplayer quidditch

[glossy skiff]

Love to have a quidditch game in VR. Think it would be awesome

[static cosmos]

Ditto Wizard's Chess ♟️

[modern wraith]

I saw in the interview, they aren't considering putting Wizards Chess unfortunately 😦

[stuck epoch]

they did consider but arent able to same with gobblestone but they want to have it in the world at least

[vivid owl]

Makes me a tad sad that we wont get them in as mini-games.

I know it's a tad off-topic, but Bannerlord managed to input 6 different table-top games that you can play against AI opponents in the taverns and inns and castles in the game. It's a small thing but it helps make the world feel truly alive.

I personally think the addition of Wizards Chess and Gobstones would have helped immersion that little bit.

[dark haven]

Yeah I’m honestly really annoyed that Wizard’s Chess and Gobstones won’t be in the game

Honestly immersion is what I’m worried about the most

The game can look as pretty as it wants but if it doesn’t FEEL right it’s gonna ruin the whole thing

[granite nebula]

Faris Spavin

He is the Minister for Magic in the era in which the game takes place

He became the minister with 109 years of age and was elected 6 consecutive times by the British and Irish people.

Spavin guided the Wizarding community for 38 years. Known for his long-winded and sometimes thoughtless speeches, Spavin infamously survived an assassination attempt by a centaur

[vivid owl]

Makes you wonder why the centaur tried to assassinate him.

Probably wasn't all that great for the other sentient species of the British Isles then.

[thorny estuary]

And most important, how did the centaur try to kill Spavin?

he could't use avada kedavra due to the wand ban of 1631

i wonder if he used an actual gun, that would be awesome

[random moon]

A gun? Lol no Centaurs are well established as Bow users.

[vivid owl]

or a spear

Though there's nothing stopping him from having bought a potion and put it in Spavin's food

[static cosmos]

I would’ve loved for it to be included, but in a way, I can appreciate that the developers chose to place their focus elsewhere.

When you think about it, there’s a huge amount of potential to create a wizard’s chess game that is, itself, deep and immersive and a very unique experience. Rather than shipping something half-baked now, the door is open for Avalanche to put more resources into a potential extension later that delivers on this. (Same thing applies for Quidditch and other mini games within the world 🤞)

[timid bane]

It took offense to a bar joke

[shy rampart]

Do we know who had the invisibility cloak during 1890s

[worthy trench]

A Potter did.

[wooden copper]

Concealed carry wands

[modern moth]

Oop

[timid bane]

There were other invisibility cloaks, but there was only one true invisibility cloaks, the others’ power wore out over time. So I think there’s a chance we’ll see invisibility cloaks in game

[brave echo]

That's again good with multiplayer

They gotta add multiplayer if they want to see massive success which would last long.

[modern moth]

Yeah but story mode might not work as well so they may have to add more aspects to the game

[brave echo]

As long as the story mode is interesting and keeps me on the edge of my seat till the end of the game , it would work. They should later add multiplayer and mini games as an expansion

[idle salmon]

Can cooks in Hogwarts use killing curse on chickens in-order to cook them?
Or any animals that's served to eat there basically

[brave echo]

Why did my comment get deleted ?

[idle salmon]

Straying away from Topic IG 😆

[brave echo]

Oh , fair enough

[idle salmon]

Are mandrakes only used as food?

Can mandrakes consent?

[brave echo]

Since when are roots of a plant food ?

[idle salmon]

I'm guessing you're not Asian

But we eat a lot of Roots here

[brave echo]

Iam not

[idle salmon]

You may have heard of Ginseng?

[stuck epoch]

they are mainly used for potions not food

[idle salmon]

How are they killed tho?

Won't they cry in pain?

[stuck epoch]

and the cooks in hogwarts are all elves so dunno if they would use such means or just do magic

for other cooks probably also a no cause youd have to be a dark mage to cast ak

[brave echo]

Yeah I have. I have heard of carrots extracted from the roots and stuff but I didn't know you would eat actual roots

[stuck epoch]

with regards to potion ingredients they are probably just chopped up no mercy given

[idle salmon]

No I did see they had roast pork
So can they just use killing curse to kill pigs to cook for their students since it's much less messier & also painless to an extent?

[stuck epoch]

or magic

[brave echo]

Are mandrakes born from a baby and raised and then chopped up as an adult ?

[stuck epoch]

i dont think house elves are allowed to cast dark magic so unless they have it from somewhere else (where they would probably just slaughter them without AK) they just let them appear

[stuck epoch]

they are a plant so yes

[idle salmon]

OMG that's horrible
Why did JKR make them soo detailed like say that they turn to moody Teenagers & have acne & sh't like that?

[brave echo]

Why do they scream ?

[stuck epoch]

as the adult ones have the most usefulness

[idle salmon]

Like why humanize them soo much? 😭

[stuck epoch]

dunno man ask JK

its a magical plant

[idle salmon]

I'm guessing they hate the sunlight

[brave echo]

But they are plants. They need sunlight to live

[stuck epoch]

there may also just be a folklore/myth anything with screaming plants/roots and she just took that like she did for most things

[idle salmon]

Their 'hair' does not them
The plant bit is their Hair

[brave echo]

Too late for that

[stuck epoch]

there are some plants that dont and mandrakes are mostly in the sunlight just covered up with dirt

[brave echo]

They have mouths , do they use it ?

[stuck epoch]

probably not as they absorb nutrition and water from the roots (maybe)

but they can use it seen when one bit draco

[brave echo]

Technically it didn't bite. They don't have teeth.
It just closed it's mouth for a few seconds.

[idle salmon]

My mind is too dirty fam 🤐

[stuck epoch]

you dont need teeth to bite

babies can bite and they dont have teeth (not all atleast)

[brave echo]

I thought they can't do too much damage as they don't have teeth. It's different if they had teeth

[idle salmon]

I always thought they were like Groot
So It's sad that they're killed

[stuck epoch]

doing damage doesnt matter on if they can bite

i mean i can hit you and it doesnt have to do much damage but i still hit you. you get what im saying?

[brave echo]

Yeah , I do

[stuck epoch]

more like an evil screeching relative from him

[idle salmon]

BUT STILL...

Anthropomorphic plant folk are always adorable

[brave echo]

There were huge venus flytraps in herbology class in the socerers stone game. Is that part of the lore as well ?

[stuck epoch]

i dont think they have been mentioned anywhere else but its possible for them to exist in the world

[idle salmon]

Would cursed meat taste foul?

[stuck epoch]

dont think so its more of a "youre a creature so you dont get to" thing like wands and all that

ofc unless instructed to do so by the owner

[idle salmon]

AK won't hurt as much as slaughtering right

[stuck epoch]

yea

ak is like the most "humane" way of killing

instant painless and in some cases you dont even know how you died

[idle salmon]

Since Mandrakes have mouth & teeth
Would feeding mandrakes polyjuice potion make them look like the person's DNA it was made out from?

[stuck epoch]

(no teeth) the facial "features" if you can even call it that of the mandrakes might change to the look of the person

[idle salmon]

Chapter 6, page 94.
"The Mandrakes didn't like coming out of the earth, but didn't seem to want to go back into it, either. They squirmed, kicked, flailed their sharp little fists & gnashed their teeth; Harry spent ten whole minutes trying to squash a particularly fat one into a pot."

[stuck epoch]

hmm

doesnt change my answer besides the no teeth part

but good to know ty

[idle salmon]

Like a wooden statue of them?

[stuck epoch]

kinda?

ig

if it even works

[granite nebula]

If anyone is still interested I am pretty sure the centaur , just simply tried to kick him to his death.

[short basin]

I just want to know, how many hours will Hogwarts Legacy give players?!This in full gameplay

[brave echo]

Iam guessing about 70 hours

[short basin]

I hope it's a lot more. 70 hours is almost nothing. It would be very sad.
Also, there are plants that take 24 minutes to be born.

[brave echo]

Iam talking about 70 hours of the main story. Excluding Side missions

[olive swan]

I see the game being way shorter than that. Maybe 30-ish hours. Nothing has been confirmed as of yet though.

[stone matrix]

I agree. Short main story with lots of side stuff

[brave echo]

God of war Ragnarok is around 40 hours and has 36 trophies which most people took around 50+ hours to complete This game has 46 trophies so Iam guessing it to be about 60+ hours

[river pebble]

Trophies say so little about game time though

[rocky sierra]

70 hours is a lot lol, god of war is like 46h and it's an amazing game.

[rocky sierra]

You are probably setting yourself up for disappointment

[brave echo]

I said iam "guessing" not expecting. It's open world after all.

[brave echo]

What do you think then ?

[rocky sierra]

Realistically 30h at best, hoping for more of course

Not even red dead redemption 2 has 70h

of only campaign

[brave echo]

Witcher 3 had 60 hours of campaign

[timid juniper]

You talking only base game? Though there were more

[rugged stream]

Guys this is the lore channel

[timid juniper]

Lore

Yes

[rugged stream]

You're not talking about the lore, please go to #💬hogwarts-legacy-general

[viral badger]

Seeing how we do ask people to stay on topic. Yes please listen when told to do so

[fossil shell]

you deleted my message :(

[brave echo]

We get carried away sometimes. Fine , we will stick to the lore.

[rocky sierra]

One game out of 10, just saying, it's not likely that HL is going to be that long only on main story, it's their first game with this scope, cdred had a lot of experience already, hope i'm wrong tho and the game's story is huge

won't say more since this is lore channel

[olive swan]

The lore they are going to show us will be done in a 30-ish hour window. Here, fixed it.

[brave echo]

Yeah , you have a point. It makes sense that this could be a 30 hour game.

[brave echo]

How many hours do you think side missions might be ?

[rocky sierra]

imma respond in #💬hogwarts-legacy-general

[wanton gale]

Im sure alot of you already know this story, but I recently stumbled across it on Harry Potter Theory and found it very interesting...

[stone matrix]

I thought that was about to say Salazar IS Herpo then (immortality via horcrux etc) and therefore still alive now.

But was just a nice “factual” story 😊

[brave echo]

https://thedirect.com/article/harry-potter-tv-warner-bros-spin-off

[brave echo]

What more could the possibly do if they make a harry Potter tv series

[wanton gale]

I mean, there's alot of stories to tell. not just in HP's era but before and after...

[hollow marlin]

if they were to do it again i would say they would need to stay as close as possible to the books and the only way to do that really is to do a tv series

[worthy trench]

Do s Founders show and get the 4 actors who did them in the portraits to play em

[hollow marlin]

i dont think all of those actors are alive, but while i was looking for it, i was reminded that peeves umbrad the prankster of the school, lived alive and dead at hogwarts sinces its creation in 993

[worthy trench]

I don't know who each actor is bar Ken Bones (Salazar) who I think is stil alive.

Peeves has never been alive to begin with. He's amortal, not living to start with so cannot die as a result. He's a spirit of Chaos who came with the school. Its possible he manifested into existence from chaotic magic or the chaos that comes from school.

[hollow marlin]

i thought they were neither alive or dead

but i have never checked it

[worthy trench]

That's what Amortal means. They are not alive or dead to start with

Peeves has never been alive in the any sense of the word and thus never died and never can it seems.

[hollow marlin]

makes sense

[mighty loom]

no wonder hes so annoying

[tall berry]

hey have a question, is thd Black's family rich ?

[rocky sierra]

Yep

[wanton gale]

of course they were. bellatrix was loaded for example

[brave echo]

You are saying a reboot ?

[hollow marlin]

Ye

If they do it I know they are considering due to the reports that are mentioned by the head of the Warner brother

[snow harness]

How does magic work in terms of "power" does it take effort to cast a spell? If it's a large spell is it draining?

.

.

If I cast a spell and have something moving when I am not around or like "active magic" does it drain on me when I am not around. If I die does the spell go away because it's attached to me?

(Just in the wizarding world, not specific to Hogwarts Legacy)

[stuck epoch]

There is no indication that its that way or that there is some kind if mana or something similar

From what we have seen you cast the spell and thats it it doesnt drain you and there is no limit to how much you can cast

[tall berry]

thank you ^^ i'm doing a small story about my Oc and she Belong to the black's familiy but i was not sure if in 1850 they were already "rich" ^^

[idle salmon]

Like a virus basically

[stone matrix]

Highly likely they were

One thing we never really know is how rich Harry is. We know it’s loads for an 11 year old. But enough to buy a house etc? No idea

[tall berry]

(Me realizing that I have this ugly face picture I did as a joke to a friend … and forgot everyone can see it :’) )

[tall berry]

I see ! Thank you !

[worthy trench]

Well in the sense they ain't alive per what we consider alive. But viruses can die out and be killed. Peeves apparently cannot be.

[cedar torrent]

Got a question for big brain Harry potter people

What makes deaths invisibility cloak different from all the others? I heard that there were multiple invisibility cloaks but idk if that's true or not, but if it is what makes it any better?

[stuck epoch]

the deathly hallow one last longer than normal ones

aka indefinitely for now

[rugged stream]

And it's more efficient than the other ones. You're truly invisible with it. Other capes might malfunction sometimes.

[stuck epoch]

thats the lasting longer part

they break after some time and dont work as well or at all after some time

the deathly hallow one is like a fresh one

[modern moth]

if i remember correctly, you can't steal it with accio.

[boreal shuttle]

Yeah, it's everlasting and immune to certain spells, with Accio being the prime example. It doesn't protect the wearer from spells though if they are hit despite being invisible.

And it still has a lot of "weaknesses", like true sight (e.g. Moody's magical eye), Homenum Revelio - although that could be a case of Dumbledore being his usual ridiculously powerful self as we've seen no one else do it - and of course the Marauder's Map which continues to be a magical enigma and I'm still convinced that no one could ever duplicate it, including the Marauder's themselves.

[brave echo]

It would weird to see someone else play harry , Ron or hermoine

[hollow marlin]

Indeed

[worthy trench]

and animal senses can find you still even with it

Like sure your invisible but they will still smell you and hear you

Its innately better than any other cloak in the invisible department

its other effects may be due to protective enchantments on the cloak

like it can't be summoned

but it won't protect you the wearer from a spell that is targeting you directly

and its not albe to alter size so it can't fit many under it

The Hallows are basically just higher quality magical creations which could be replicated with the right skill and knowledge i think

[sinful stratus]

on the site it says the player character is a pureblood, halfblood, or mudblood. does that mean when creating a character you will choose between the three and it may or may not have a impact on character interactions or are they just skipping blood status

?

[random moon]

Where does it say that?

[sinful stratus]

https://harrypotter.fandom.com/wiki/Unidentified_19th-century_Hogwarts_student under blood

[random moon]

This is the wiki. They fill in for stuff that isn’t known. Which is a lot when it comes to the MC in HL

We don’t know what the blood status is for the MC or even if it’s a choice,there wasn’t anything for Blood status in the CC

[sinful stratus]

ok

[timid bane]

I’d say in general, don’t rely on the wiki for knowledge. Instead go to its sources

[boreal shuttle]

I mean, the Wiki isn't wrong on this one - the MC will definitely be one of these considering they're all there is to blood status in this case because they're obviously not a Squib. But as Siren said, there wasn't an option in the CC, so the blood status is very likely fixed

Probably story/background related with Half-blood being the most likely imo as it's the safest option.

[timid bane]

I don’t think they’ll be a muggle-born, i doubt muggle-borns can even be sorted in to slytherin

[random moon]

Muggle born Slytherins are a thing, they’re just pretty rare

[sinful stratus]

true, plus merlin was a muggle lover and a famous slytherin

[timid bane]

Based

[olive swan]

Only because JKR had to come up with someone on the spot.

[worthy trench]

Merlin does make sense to be in Slytherin from the fact he was quite ambitious.

and in myth a manipulator and mover of events and people

[modern moth]

Did JKR ever address the safety of Hogwarts

[sinful stratus]

given that there is a monster snake living under the girls bathroom i doubt it is very safe

[modern moth]

Hogwarts violated so many safety regulations

[timid granite]

That snake is a safety feature

[sinful stratus]

not for mudbloods

[timid granite]

Vocabulary!

[modern moth]

I dont think wizard students would call Hogwarts safe either

[timid granite]

Hmm, doesn't seem so bad, aside trolls, three headed dogs, snakes, a forest full of creatures, deadly tournaments, plants that can eat you, and incompetent teachers

[modern moth]

Moving Stairs without warning. no exit signs. potato defense, neglectful teachers (some are possibly spies), to young too ride a broom,

[timid granite]

The moving stairs are also a safety feature

Same as the trick steps

They train your mind

[modern moth]

yea after i end up in a wheelchair

[modern moth]

and the other things mentioned

[sinful stratus]

plus quidditch injuries

[timid granite]

Why do you need Exit signs? Can't you find your way?

[sinful stratus]

harry nearly died at least twice playing it

[modern moth]

evacuation

no elevator so i cant go upstairs when i broke my leg using the moving stairs

[worthy trench]

Hogwarts and other magical schools would be shut down if Muggles knew of em at large and they were under Muggle jurdistication

[timid granite]

Quidditch is something for the more brute students anyway

[sinful stratus]

plus given that i plan on being a bigger baddie than that voldemort loser safety is not a priority

[modern moth]

still. muggle safety would be a good example for wizarding world

[sinful stratus]

they have potions for broken limbs

[timid granite]

Skelegro yay, you are in for a great night

Also you can just levitate injured students

[modern moth]

still atleast warn ppl that stairs are gonna move

[timid granite]

And what if not?

Do you want to sue Hogwarts or the stairs themselves?

That would be a fun lawsuit.

[sinful stratus]

you dont go to hogwarts for safety you go for magic and mastering the dark arts so you can rule the world

[timid granite]

What is the ICW?

[sinful stratus]

thats a muggle group you squib

[timid granite]

Even googling it doesn't provide results that make sense

[modern moth]

then the ministry and no i aint no squib

[sinful stratus]

its a workers program for unsurance and safety

[timid granite]

I can't even find it in Google, seems to be very important

[modern moth]

international confederation of wizards

[sinful stratus]

the ministy has supported hogwarts since it;s founding so i doubt they would change it for you

[timid granite]

Ah yes if I take the complete name, I can actually find it

[modern moth]

they would if they know the benefits
less stops to the clinic right and less potions needed

[timid granite]

And I don't think the International Confederation of Wizards would give a standard in safety

[sinful stratus]

how do you know whether or not they make money from it

[modern moth]

they should atleast consider it

[sinful stratus]

and hello its magic of course there will be risks, especially since there aren't any universities or colleges after hogwarts so they have to teach you everything during your stay

[modern moth]

safety first applies everywhere.
even staff there are questionable

Dumbledore shouldnt have hired Snape

[sinful stratus]

do all ravenclaw's whine as much as you

[timid granite]

No

And they especially don't hate on the stairs

[sinful stratus]

snape worked for Dumbledore remember

[modern moth]

but he was a former death eater and killed Dumbledore later

[timid granite]

Because they came from Rowena Ravenclaw herself

[sinful stratus]

dumbledor literally ordered him to you twit

[modern moth]

i get it
but snape is not the only one

[sinful stratus]

umbridge forced her way in using that idiot from the ministry who didnt want to admit voldemort returned

if he accepted it from the start and tried working on it maybe BLACK wouldnt have died

not a hogwarts fault it is a political fault

[modern moth]

thats true

but what about Hagrid

[sinful stratus]

he is a good guy

[modern moth]

"If he doesnt, well get to that later" -Hagrid

[sinful stratus]

and a magic zoologist

[timid granite]

Well he isn't the best teacher maybe

But he is a nice person

[sinful stratus]

there are worst people who are actually teachers IRL

[modern moth]

hes nice but he may have to look into how hes teaching animal encounters
especially dangerous one's

also
Detentions in a place thats "Forbidden"

[sinful stratus]

also technically he is mainly a gamekeeper rather than a teacher, that said there were no problems with his teaching as he provided ample warnings when dealing with hippogriffs, the only problem was with that fool malfoy

[modern moth]

He should have stopped Malfoy

like pull him back

[timid granite]

And those Blast Ended Skrewts

[sinful stratus]

i though eagles were supposed to be fierce. from you i think maybe ravenclaw should be a chicken instead

[sinful stratus]

i would prefer if buckbeak ate malfoy in full graphic display

[timid granite]

I love that Slytherin personality

[modern moth]

does that justify my point here
so just because we are eagles and be fierce doesnt mean going into a forbidden place

[modern moth]

same here
Buckbeak should have killed him

My other problem
Restricted areas being vaguely protected

[bold crystal]

If he killed him, maybe Buckbeak wouldn't have been able to be set free 😦

[sinful stratus]

they had a time travel magic necklace so they could still save him just the same, and besides because of malfoy's corrupt father buckbeak was scheduled for execution regardless

[modern moth]

opening restricted area of the library with a spell?
seems like we need more security there

[timid granite]

WHy?

If it can be opened with just one spell, its easier to get the knowledge out of it

Also you could, you know, just ask your teacher

[modern moth]

restrictions are there for a reason
may aswell not restrict it at all

[sinful stratus]

if they had more security i wouldnt be able to study horcrux and live forever, horcrux and philosopher stone are the only confirmed immortality methods in the wizarding world

[timid granite]

It never got confirmed that a Horcrux makes you live forever.

For that you would need unlimited horcruxes

[modern moth]

imagine if anyone can do that. i think there will more problems occurring than finding the sorcerer's stone

[timid granite]

Excuse me, the what?

Its the Philosophers Stone!

[sinful stratus]

actually it was it's just that if the horcrux breaks you in big trouble and if you make more than one you'll be a lunatic like voldemort

[timid granite]

Well the part of the soul that is trapped can live forever maybe, but the actual you still ages. So you can only refresh yourself as often as you have Horcruxes left

[sinful stratus]

so just get refreshed so long as you dont actually die there is no problem as far as i see it

[timid granite]

Hmm, I don't think that works. Even if you reunite yourself with the soul, you will be older at that point, if you would break it again at that point, you would have less time for the next, until there is to little time to redo it

[modern moth]

In the american copies, its Sorcerers Stone

[sinful stratus]

technically that is for movie title they still say philosopher in the actual movie

[timid granite]

They do not I think

[worthy trench]

We dunno if Horcuxes even stop you aging

[timid granite]

As far as I am aware the british actors did speak both lines

[worthy trench]

They don't use PS in American version. They say Sorcerer's

[sinful stratus]

at this point i think i will be sacrificing a ravenclaw for my horcrux if it is in game

[worthy trench]

They did the scenes twice or dubbed the word in. Its almost identical

[modern moth]

no they dont

[timid granite]

So when Hermione pulls out her "light" lecture, in the british version she says philosophers stone and in the american version she actually spoke sorcerers stone

[sinful stratus]

by the way i saw the magic caster wand is coming out soon, i plan on ordering when it is available

[timid granite]

And yes I am aware that the americans called it sorcerers stone, its just to fun to call them out on it

[modern moth]

lets not do that

[worthy trench]

they figured amaericans wouldn't know what a philospher was

and in france its striaight up spoiler

cos Flamal was french

[sinful stratus]

in the actual alchemical lore it is always referred to as the philosopher stone which could be found after completing the magnum opus

[worthy trench]

i know

[timid granite]

In german its also pretty much a spoiler. The "Stein der Weisen" we also know very well

[worthy trench]

read up on it after learning bout it all from the book.

[sinful stratus]

although the philosopher stone is pretty much always red in various works of media and fiction

[worthy trench]

aye the last stage

the color notes what it will do

And when you completed it, you would realize you don't need wealth of gold or eternal physical life cos you will have found enlightenment

[timid granite]

yay Philosophy

[worthy trench]

and its referenced in how you get the stone in the book - find but not use it to get it

[sinful stratus]

i hope the philosopher stone and or horcrux method is included in the game, immortality is the ultimate goal for fantasy

[worthy trench]

won't be

JK has never reveled the method and likely wont

and its likely only flamal has ever made the stone

in lore

[timid granite]

Maybe we meet him

[sinful stratus]

he is still alive during the 1800's

[worthy trench]

we wont

[modern moth]

who?

[timid granite]

Flamel

[worthy trench]

Ya'd think Flamal would have several attempts at theft against him by book 1 or be hounded for his method or urged to share immortality with the world

People would call him out on hording the secret for himself and his wife

like you can cure magical diseases with that can't be yet maybe

[timid granite]

That doesn't stop us from meeting him.

[worthy trench]

if it does keep you in perfect physical health minus not stopping ur aging

[timid granite]

I mean over centuries he could meet people once in a while

[modern moth]

wait whats goin on

[timid granite]

Doesn't need to tell anyone about the stone

[worthy trench]

its well known or rumored he made one

in rl and in lore

so everyone knows

or will try and find out

[timid granite]

So he could still meet people and just hide his home via secret keeping

[worthy trench]

especially since he's alive by book 1 and seen in the magic world

[sinful stratus]

also given how well known the stone is in the alchemical world it is possible that other accomplished alchemists could succeed in it's creation

[worthy trench]

if he did hide via that, he risked exposure long ago

by allowing people into the house

AD

newt

jacob

etx

thy could succeed but the implication is only he has done it

and its unlikely anyone else has since

[stone matrix]

He would be a good character to meet. Maybe as someone trying to understand the ancient magic… a alchemist could be useful

[ruby thistle]

Voldemort didnt use a horcrux to return, although one of them tried in the second book.

It was his original shade that returned to life, without direct use of his horcruxes.

They only aided him in the sense that without them, he would not be able to survive as a shade.

So as long as his horcruxes remained he would be able to regenerate a new body and rebirth himself forever.

[ruby thistle]

Was a reply to this comment.

[random moon]

Probably not forever

There’s only so many “bones of the father” and only so much “blood of the enemy” he can use in the resurrection ritual

[ruby thistle]

Thats fair. Although I think its fair to say he would find an alternative method in time, being who he is.

But yeah, that spell would only be viable for so long.

[worthy trench]

No he couldn't. he'd need people to help with that. And long term, people won;'t be around forever. He was doomed to fail no matter what he did

His end fate would be to wander in the void post heat death if he got his way in the end

[ruby thistle]

The more I think of it, the horcrux is very similar to the one ring of sauron.

[worthy trench]

Yah though its more based on the Lich Phylactery concept

while the Ring is based on the Ring from Wagner and Greek myth prob

[ruby thistle]

The philosophers stone could bring him back, which was the plot of the whole first movie.

I'll grant that no explicit solution is stated, but I cant see voldemort fail in such a lame way.

Just fading into obscurity because he couldn't work a way around his dwindling daddy bone supply.

[stone matrix]

If Tom Riddles diary returned as full form… AND book 4 went ahead… would there be two full form voldemorts?

[wanton gale]

interesting theory. I'd think he would attempt to take over the death eaters from our original voldy. maybe he'd keep og voldy around for some dark purpose or lock him up. but, maybe og voldy might have some power over that part of his soul and can contain it in some way...

[ruby thistle]

Yeah, I think so. They don't even feel it when the other horcruxes die due to being separated and wounded for so long (split soul).

Honestly curious why the horcruxes aren't more active, if they from their perspective are just chilling in some dank cave, not experiencing what the living voldemort is doing

[wanton gale]

who knows if a soul contained in a horcrux could start making horcruxes themselves lol

[random moon]

I think that if the Tom Riddle memory had fully formed it would have just been a Vessel for the Main Soul of Voldy.

[ruby thistle]

Just a guess, but the pieces are too small to do it.

Only the "main" piece was big enough to keep making them, but at the end of the movies even that one was too stretched thin to make more.

If voldemort had won after neville killed nagini, he would still have failed since all his horcruxes would be gone, and he would be too weak to do it again.

So mortal essentially.

If not he could have made like 7x7, so 49 total, lol.

[wanton gale]

your 1st point seems very likely, but we dont really know the limit, since voldy managed to make 6, then one accidently but still survived. it was just the killing curse that backfired

[frank jewel]

Assuming 7 was the limit, and the soul got actually split into 7 equal pieces, then I wouldn't expect them to be able to create more.
However, if it gets split in half every time, then I would imagine the first 2 - 3 could maybe create some of their own.

[ruby thistle]

Its a bit unear what actually killed voldemort the first time.

He unintentionally made another horcrux, which normally requires some complicated ritual.

This hints to his soul being so unstable and fragmented that he just split apart when Harry became a horcrux.

Thus the curse didn't necessarily kill voldemort, the creation of the eight horcrux did.

[wanton gale]

both good theories. I thought about it recently. maybe the killing curse worked similar to ppl looking at a reflection when they see the basilisk eyes, just in that scenario where Lily used her powerful magic. maybe it weakened when it hit voldy??

[ruby thistle]

Its never stated explicitly, but the way it refers to the soul being fragmented and cracked, and creating a horcrux severs the cracked part makes me thing its a tiny piece each time.

It just sounds more "natural" to me atleast.

[wanton gale]

so just like when you see the reflection of basilisk eyes and become petrified, same might apply when a killing curse bounces off Lily's magic of love. instead of voldy dying, it split his soul. he should have legit died

I mean, who in history of magic has ever tried deflecting the killing curse and lived to tell the tale lol

[ruby thistle]

Voldemort be breaking ground in magical research, maybe he should have been a ravenclaw. 😄

[wanton gale]

slytherclaw lol

I think if its the soul in the diary, he'll definitely try it, but who knows if it succeeds or fails? I also think he'll see og voldy's actions up till then as a failure and try to re-do it all...

[sinful stratus]

slytherins are also academically successful again the famous merlin was one, as were many other succesfull witches and wizards

[wanton gale]

Snape was pretty smart too. slughorn probably his main rival

[ruby thistle]

I wasn't being super serious. More a joke, downplaying his mad crimes as research typical of ravenclaws. As if his house would be important in the context of things.

[wanton gale]

when it comes to potions

[ruby thistle]

I missed more characters like Peter pettigrew. You know folks who seemingly didn't fit their house, atleast at first glance.

[wanton gale]

another theory. reflection of a reflection of basilisk eyes. that might only make u faint for a while. killing curse bouncing off multiple love shields might relegate it to something like crucio 😂

[worthy trench]

Given the soul split off on its own from sheer instability when he failed to kil HP first time, he was probably nearing the limit I'd say

[sinful stratus]

slughorn was a slytherin

[ruby thistle]

And snapes teacher I think.

[wanton gale]

when it comes to potions, I see them as rivals. but what we've seen from snape, he probably has the edge...

[worthy trench]

Snape modified potions to be better so he has edge i think in potions

[wanton gale]

slughorn didnt do anything noteworthy, except knowing a little too much about other topics lol

[worthy trench]

Slughorn was able to hold his own against LV in a 3 - 1 so he has power, abovr average i say

[ruby thistle]

Snape was genius level in 2 fields of magic, and expert in several others.

A bit unfair to use him as the skill bar.

[worthy trench]

Only broke cos LV screamed and caused an explosion throwing em back

Its hard to guage who is most powerful wizard/witch past the big 3 in modern era

So what if the limit of Horcrux splitting is 13 cos its the unlucky number

[wanton gale]

I bet the only real limit is how much it takes until you become a living shell in a body lol

they have physical side effects too. the 1st one he created made his hair fall out if I remember

[ruby thistle]

It was a slow process, but yeah, he is described as being less and less human.

Although not so much that he was avoided. He still got jobs and was viewed as handsome and charismatic.

Only his regrow body i think shows the true state of his soul.

Not sure he lost his hair? Wasn't that a fan film?

[wanton gale]

I also think since he created his new body in the 4th book, that one didnt possess any of the physical side effects from his 1st body

[ruby thistle]

I think its the other way around. His regriwn body was made of dark magic, and his soul was mega splintered at that point.

[worthy trench]

No cos he made it as a teen and kept his hair

Memory TR is the one from after he killed his dad and grandparents and made his diary his first.

[ruby thistle]

Oh you meant his first horcrux, nvm my comment about the hair.

[stone matrix]

Agreed… seems impossible it could be 7 equal pieces as they balanced over so many years

[wanton gale]

I think the best info we had was from his meeting with dumbledore when voldy returned for the dada position. his face looked really weird and he had red eyes. different from last time dumbledore saw him...

[worthy trench]

he looked burned and blurred in the face

[wanton gale]

exactly

[worthy trench]

Also i don't the books ever says he lost his hair until after movies came out

Movie influenced the books to some degree i think as they went

[ruby thistle]

Yeah, fair. But it couldn't have been as bad as his regrown body. He could still be viewed in public at that point.

In the 4th book he is a walking masquerade breach for muggles, lol

[wanton gale]

I dont think he had any physical ailments though. I remember that being some type of magic he created himself to regrow a body. his soul would still be fragmented but I feel like that is the perfect body for his purposes...

[ruby thistle]

Anyways, its clear his looks deteriorated as his horcruxes and deeds in dark magic grew

[wanton gale]

I also read somewhere about nagini's blood being used too. maybe thats why he looked that way

[ruby thistle]

Yeah at that point his looks didn't matter. He was powerful to the point were being covert and charismatic were no longer necessary. Hence his brute force strategy from thereon out

[wanton gale]

could be her venom though not sure?

[ruby thistle]

Her venom and unicorn blood was for the temporary body, not his regrow one

• unicorn blood was to extend quirrels life as he possessed him.

Anyway, hope we get plenty of spells from dark arts to play with.

Fiendfyre would be lit

[wanton gale]

He would still look that way before he died though, so the body he created in the cemetary just looked that way for no particular reason.

[worthy trench]

LV got way he was cos Horcruxes and AD thinks some other magical transformations he did to himself

He's the only known guy to make so many so its all guesswork but likely the correct answer

[wanton gale]

I cant see why horcruxes would make him look like a snake specifically. it would just make him like he did pre-killing curse backfiring...

[worthy trench]

I guess snakes in JK verse are a mark of evil

though in many eastern cultures they are not just that

[wanton gale]

probably so. its always associated with dark arts

[worthy trench]

He didn't actually look snakelike it seems until his rebirth so maybe its partially due to Nagini venom at least

Still had his nose i think or it was flattening by his meeting with AD

He doesn't really look like a snake minus the slit nose, just a walking emancipated corpse

[wanton gale]

the ritual in the cemetary was a form of dark arts too. that was probably the reason. I didnt hear anything about limitations with that body vs pre killing curse backfire

[worthy trench]

well his new body took in protection of HP which screwed him over. otherwise no seems to be fine

minus his apperance which to most is decidedly not fine

[wanton gale]

to be fair though, horcruxes are kinda linked to his ancestry, who created the 1st basilisk, spoke parseltongue, and created the 1st horcrux. so it was always linked to snakes in some form. just a wild guess though

similar to patronus and animagus I suppose. just not something he can really choose. it chooses it for u. so if he were an animagus it would probably be a snake...

[worthy trench]

nothing indicates hes actually related to herpo

and theres no way to know anyway

[ruby thistle]

Nah, but dude had a fetishis for power and being associated with power.

He despised his half blood status, and liked to imagine himself as slytherins heir. He probably became a bit obsessed with snakes, not for the animal itself, but for the symbolic power/heritage it would represent.

[wanton gale]

there's 3 things that indicate he's related to herpo that I listed above. nobody is gonna outright tell us though. just like nobody outright told tom he was related to slytherin. Also, translated into different languages, Herpo can mean, "he who is slithering". but i will have to search where I found that tidbit and go over it again here...

[ruby thistle]

I mean all his horcruxes are artifacts owned by famous and powerful wizards. Even if the horcruxes didn't get more powerful from it, he had to be powerful in symbolic terms too, to feed his ego.

[worthy trench]

no one in verse can actually know.

[worthy trench]

no one knew he was

[wanton gale]

I found it in Harry Potter Theory's video on it, in the comment section. I dont know Greek well so I can verify it myself: "but all you non-Greek people who have the same idea miss the most important detail, which is really hidden in plain sight.
The name Herpo, is a direct transfer in English from Greek of the word Herpon-Έρπων (most -ων male names lose their -n in Latin/English, thus why Herpo). Herpon-Έρπων is the participle of the verb herpo-έρπω which means slither. The participle is analyzed as "ούτος ος έρπει"/"ootos os herpee". That in English is translated as "he who is slithering". You english speakers dont pronounce the -g at the end when you speak and the y makes the name sound better than with an i, not to mention that it makes the word sly appear in his name. Thus JK Rowling gave us Hepro's name directly as Salazar's surname: [he who is] Slytherin'.

Lorewise probably Herpo or his descendants took the english version of that name as a surname when they moved to the british isles."

[ruby thistle]

Exceptions are nagini and his diary and Harry. Although nagini was a wizard before the curse transformed her, so she kinda fits the uniqueness he wanted in his horcruxes

[worthy trench]

no one even knew his surname if he even had one or if he had any kids or relatives

[ruby thistle]

That sounds a bit too concrete to not be intended ill admit.

[wanton gale]

It says, they took the english version of his name and used it as a surname when they moved to the british isles. but hey, im not greek so I cant verify it

[worthy trench]

where in lore

not a theory. i want lore source

[wanton gale]

I found this video on the subject. and JK wrote about it a bit too

not particularly the part i mentioned about the surname, but it might have been a likely culprit...

also, there aint many parselmouths we know of. only the Gaunt's and Slytherins bloodline. its a hereditary trait...

read through the wiki a bit. there's some mention of African parselmouths in fantastic beasts

[worthy trench]

african ones exist yeah

prob not related to him

[wanton gale]

yea, likely candidate would be Herpo or his relatives

closest know ancient parselmouths to the british isles too

[worthy trench]

well I'm not going to assume any relation and i'd rather their isn't cos it makes the world smaller

and i dunno why theory is putting herpo in same era as razcidian. That guy seemed to be a middle ages wizard based on his artwork and herpo a B.C. Wizard based on his artwork

[wanton gale]

kinda made it more mysterious imo, since there's still parselmouths roaming around in Africa this day and Slytherin's bloodline can be traced back to Greece and not just british isles...

[worthy trench]

well im assuming no relation between him and LV cos its just not needed and makes the world smaller imo

[wanton gale]

yea that's kind of a stretch i'll admit. since Salazar himself lived 1000 years ago, way before razcidian lol

[wanton gale]

fair enough. I respect that opinion

[worthy trench]

i respect urs aswell

Yah Razcidian to me seems like a medival wizard.

[random moon]

Oh wow. Folks just respecting opinions and not fighting tirelessly to be “right”?

Must be a Christmas miracle

[worthy trench]

hallelujah praise the lord

[timid granite]

Given the discussion in #💬hogwarts-legacy-general I wondered about the following question: The stairs to the girls dorm are enchanted, so no boys could enter, would they be able to detect an actual trans character? So a biological boy that walks them freely or a biological girl that gets denied?
Any thought on that please without getting political.

[boreal shuttle]

#🧠theories might be a better place for a discussion like that. We basically know nothing about how the charm works aside from its execution when triggered and the reason why it's even there.

[wanton gale]

Bryden's probably correct about asking in the other channel, and I'd assume that's up to the head prof...

[ruby thistle]

You can visually look like a boy, but still pick the witch dormitory. Thus be blocked from the males dormitory, while being let in to the witches.

So a transman (wizard dorm) would be denied into the witch dorm despite biologically being female.

Im Guessing based on the character editor, btw.

[frank jewel]

In terms of the game, your choice of 'Witch / Wizard' will determine the dormitory you belong in. In terms of the in-universe lore, I would assume it wouldn't really be something that JKR put that much thought into.

[timid granite]

Obviously she didn't, but I still wonder about the nature of that enchantment

[frank jewel]

Would it trigger on someone who has used polyjuice potion and turned into someone of the opposite gender?

[timid granite]

No idea actually, I think that never got mentioned

But I would assume it would trigger, as that person isn't really trans at that point then, but mimicing someone else

[random moon]

I’m pretty sure the sentient castle can see through Polyjuice potion

[ruby thistle]

I'd honestly not be surprised if it failed. I mean if the enchantments could be so surefire, why not just enchant the common rooms to only allow the respective house members to enter.

No password needed.

I mean the enchantment failing, not the potion.

[frank jewel]

But how, and if this stairwell detecting enchantment on the boys/girls dormitories can tell, why not have the same spell guarding Hogwarts. Could have avoided almost the entirety or book 4 if that was the case 😅

I don't think it's necessarily against the rules to enter another house's common room though. As long as you know how to get in you are allowed to get in

[ruby thistle]

I mean, 5hey did have spells that kept them out for a while. But they didn't hold for too long. Atleast in the movie voldemort breaks down dome sort of shield around hogwarts and the death eters storm the castle.

[timid granite]

Its not magically forbidden for sure

As Harry and Luna enter Ravenclaws Common Room, so does McGonagall

And the Carrows

[frank jewel]

Even Black enters the Gryffindor common room when he's a supposed mass-murderer

[timid granite]

Yeah but he would be Gryffindor

[frank jewel]

Yeah I know,

[ruby thistle]

He did have to threaten or scare the painting guarding gryffindor dorms though

[timid granite]

Thats true. But I think that was a "decision" of the painting itself

Not really an intended safety feature

[stuck epoch]

Luna is a ravenclaw iirc and its only against school rules to enter other houses common rooms

[timid granite]

Yes, but Harry isn't, but he enters together with her.

[stuck epoch]

Yes

Which is only against school rules so who cares about that

Harry sure never

[wanton gale]

I think it's ultimately up to head of the house.

[carmine shadow]

Good question. Let me think about it in another 20 years.

I keep forgetting this was a channel, since I'm always usually in HL general.

[timid bane]

The sentient castle certainly didn’t stop a potential mass murderer from getting into the third-year’s bedroom

[timid granite]

Maybe the sentient castle was 5 steps ahead though

And knew no one innocent would get injured

[timid bane]

It didn’t stop moaning myrtle from dying either

[wanton gale]

it comes back full circle. he got locked up in said sentient castle at the end anyway (more human intervention than castle intervention but still) 😂

[timid granite]

I mean Myrtle...tragic but well

No one liked her anyway

Maybe the castle thought it was for the better

It didn't calculate her staying though

[boreal shuttle]

Maybe Hogwarts went like "I mean, I know I should intervene... but that girl's a real piece of work. Eh, let's wing it." Joke's on Hogwarts though

[timid bane]

Worst decision ever

[ruby thistle]

Two werewolves mated while transformed, and they birthed wolves with near human intelligence. They were said to be given sanctuary in the dark forest by dumbledore.

So I guess clever kittens?

[timid bane]

They completely nullified a room of perfectly good toilets

[ruby thistle]

Oof

[random moon]

Werewolves and Animagi are completely different

[timid granite]

Just for the girls...the castle wanted to make sure, even there is still a line in front of Womens Toilets

[ruby thistle]

Different, but the closest example i can think of.

[random moon]

One is a disease and the other is conscious magic/advanced transfiguration

[ruby thistle]

You are not wrong. But they are both transformed people.

The cases aren't that different.

A completly different case would be something like a person on polyjuice, vs a transformed animage

Imo

[boreal shuttle]

Slightly off-topic but I've always loved that part of Werewolf lore, especially so since it's an extremely rare event.

[idle salmon]

Why are ppl even scared of her?

I'd get my homie NH Nicks to whoop her Azz

I'll put a boggart in the toilet & give her a taste of her own medicine if she tries to ruin my peace while peeing

[brave echo]

Sanctuary for wolves ?
What else is Dumbledore hiding ?

[idle salmon]

Never understood why anyone would be scared of a whimpy ghost in a school full of ghosts & talking portraits

[ruby thistle]

How you gonna have peace while peeing if you have a bogart in your toilet

[timid granite]

If you start with Polyjuice...can you get pregnant while under its effect? And what happens to the child if you transform back, especially, if you are male?

[idle salmon]

No that is if she tried me
If she went out of her way to mess with me
I'll do whatever Dark arts stuff that is available to torture her

[brave echo]

Weird question but still interesting

[idle salmon]

Polyjuice is only for an hour tho?

[ruby thistle]

I'd probably just ramp it up to, no, you can't.

Polyjuicing into voldemort wouldn't make you a parselmouth (i guess), f.eks. so I think the changes are mostly superficial.

[ruby thistle]

You can have large stock of them to be transformed indefinitely

[brave echo]

What if you drank like a bucket full of it . You can stay in that form for a long period of time

[brave echo]

This

[idle salmon]

You'll puke

[idle salmon]

Oh I get it
So you mean like if Ron turned to a female & got preggo & turned back to ron what will happen to the baby?

[timid granite]

Yes

[idle salmon]

God that is quite the scary predicament

That probably happened sometime in the past 🤣

[timid granite]

Will it die? Will the magic protect it and stop the transformation back, or something completely different

[idle salmon]

I swear even JK Rowling don't hav an answer to that

Only wattpad writers who write stuff involving Harry, Ron & Malfoy will have an answer to that 😆

[timid granite]

I don't think the predicament itself is that scary, I am fearing the possible outcome more.

The predicament itself would have so many possibilities

[ruby thistle]

I can imagine some crazy parties involving polyjuice. magi folk have it good

[idle salmon]

Why would anyone even want a girlfriend?

All the boys & girls can polyjuice themselves & their friends to whoever they liked for whenever they wanted

[idle salmon]

Glad it wasn't explored

[ruby thistle]

Its one of those terrible whatifs where the answer is "just don't do it"

[random moon]

Pretty sure polyjuice is just an external alteration. It gives you the external appearance of someone, it doesn’t actually turn you into them.

It doesn’t alter your genetics or anything

[ruby thistle]

If it did you could make it even more whack.

Drink polyjuice of a werewolf right before full moon.

[timid granite]

@idle salmon I am a little sad it wasn't. I need answers to those questions.

[ruby thistle]

Just to double dare the universe

[timid granite]

And if I have to research it personally. I would try it, if I could

[sinful stratus]

plus harry used polyjuice and still had the scar so it shows there are limits

[ruby thistle]

I dont think he actually did? Or maybe thats an exception, since dark art wounds are typically notoriously hard to remove

[timid granite]

He hadn't. It was just the first to reappear

[boreal shuttle]

And that's even a film-exclusive scene iirc

But yeah, JKR didn't really go into detail regarding most things, so there's a lot of guesswork involved. Polyjuice in particular can lead to... interesting discussions.

[timid granite]

So lets dive into them. I might find my answer

[boreal shuttle]

I'll write something up when I'm home in a couple hours

[timid granite]

Yay

[hushed nest]

canon lore: this man is pique masculinity.

[brave echo]

Technically , if Ron turns back then the baby should disappear

[hushed nest]

wait what the heck are you guys talking about?

[idle salmon]

NSFW (not safe for wizards)

[hushed nest]

society.

[simple swift]

lmaoooo

[viral badger]

Let's not

[brave echo]

Why did my comment get deleted

[viral badger]

Keep the topics appropriate please everyone

[brave echo]

They brought up the topic. I was just curious

[viral badger]

None the less what was said isn't appropriate

[thorn geyser]

Isn't this the same year that the Ministry started to use trains to get to Hogwarts from Kings Cross Station?

[random moon]

Pretty sure the train has been around for a while before HL

[boreal shuttle]

Platform 9 3/4 was added to King's Cross Station right around the time it was opened to the (muggle) public - so around 1852/53

[worthy trench]

I wonder if Vampires are natural beings in HP verse or if they were first born from a curse and if full vampires can even be born to vampires or dhampnirs to humans and vampires.

[empty knoll]

JK doesn't say much in her archives about vampires, and nothing about dhampnirs: https://www.wizardingworld.com/writing-by-jk-rowling/vampires

Does anyone know of any other sources of vampire lore in the Wizarding World?

[worthy trench]

Not much more really. They suck blood and are nocturnal

She didn't really do anything with em cos she felt she couldn't

[timid granite]

Do you mean they actually die in the sun and don't just sparkle?

[empty knoll]

🤣

[worthy trench]

So we have no idea if they have their traditional powers or not or weaknesses etc.

[timid granite]

How was Cedric alive then?

[worthy trench]

Like they prob ain't immortal or raised from the grave for one.

[random moon]

We know that they’re vulnerable to garlic

And most have an ability to beguile their prey

[worthy trench]

well i doubt they have biological immortality

[exotic lotus]

In the lego harry potter wii games, there is a mission where you use a spell or potion to turn harry into a girl so you can enter the girls restroom and save hermione from the troll

So if the lego games have any influence or involvement with cannon then the castle cannot detect that

[timid granite]

The Girls Bathrooms are not protected by a spell though

Only the Dorms are

[frank jewel]

I think that's just a contrived 'puzzle' rather than a meaningful deep-dive into the lore, especially given that Harry and Ron enter the girls toilets multiple times in the books

[random moon]

The Lego games have zero influence on canon

[thorn geyser]

^^

[clever yacht]

Where is that in canon other than in connection with "p-p-p-poor st-stuttering p-prof-fessor Q-quirrel"? Because I'd take anything coming from someone possessed by Tom with a grain of salt 😆

(Besides that, I think it was guessing on the part of Harry and his classmates that linked Quirrel's garlic with vampires)

[stone matrix]

Someone has been thinking hard about this issue 🤣

[clever yacht]

Myrtle's bathroom is only protected by an "out of order" sign

[timid granite]

Well I am still thinking about the ability of the girls dorm enchantment to detect trans people

[clever yacht]

As far as I know there's nothing about trans people at all in canon. Closest I'm aware of is the fact that metamorphmagi can take the shape of someone of either sex

I know there are a few fanfics that address the issue, but I'm not aware of Rowling ever addressing it

[stone matrix]

Uh would you expect her to?

If she did, she would just make things even worse I’m sure

I think if a hat can know which house someone should be in… let’s assume any enchantment works well too

[clever yacht]

I actually expect she'd deliberately avoid addressing it at all

[timid granite]

Well my personal hope would be, that the enchantment does detect that and would let a trans girl, maybe before she even knows for sure herself into the dorm.

And the other way around would deny a trans boy to enter

[clever yacht]

The fanfic New Blood (IIRC thats the one I read that had it), dealt specifically with trans students and the dorm protections - in that case it was a trans boy

And the kid had no idea why the dorm wouldn't let them in - meanwhile the boys in their year didn't think about the fact that their room had an extra bed

That's the only specific example I recall from the stories I've read, other than in TheSinisterMan's Prince of Slytherin - in there it's just a metamorphmagus disguising themselves, so it doesn't really count

[timid granite]

Hmm.

[exotic lotus]

I guess its fun to speculate and all, but this story canonically has no trans characters and the writer is a transphobe. So we are really to assume that if trans people were ever incorporated into Rowling’s cannon, they would not be allowed into their preferred dorms. Any other conclusion will not align with cannon, and is totally valid to play around with! I myself could headcannon, but with the cannon’s contex, it just isn’t so

[timid granite]

I will propably think about that for days. Thats what I sometimes do. I get a thought, I take it in and take ages to let it go

[stone matrix]

But maybe it should let them when they are ready. Like Harry choosing his house.

Imagine not being “out” (or even truly knowing yourself) and not being able to get into a dorm

[timid granite]

@stone matrix That would be pretty shocking, but at least what I know from personal experience the person in question could get to the conclusion pretty fast, if its so openly smashed into their face. Its not something that comes out of nothing.

It could actually be a relieve too

The earlier you know, the better you can act on it. 11 is a great age

Also it would kinda prove to everyone that its not just an idea or a phase, but something real

[clever yacht]

if you want to see how New Blood handled it - it's the one where Hermione gets sorted into Slytherin and pulls a long con on the entire wizarding world to convince them she's not actually muggleborn despite having muggle parents

[timid granite]

How did she manage to end up in Slytherin in the first place...

[clever yacht]

nope, not gonna spoil 🙂

only reason I said as much as I did is because there are hundreds of fics titled 'New Blood' on ff.net

(most of them aren't even Harry Potter related, though)

[timid granite]

So yeah. If it would be me in question I think I would prefer the brutal way of suddenly entering the girls dorm with no problem. Instead of being lied to by the castle.

[ruby thistle]

It sounds a bit wierd to have the castle make such a decision for you, instead of deciding h it yourself.

Why would the person making that enchantment be better at deciding for you, than you?

Lack of autonomy is not a good thing.

[frank jewel]

Security often comes at the risk of lack of autonomy

[ruby thistle]

Is this really a security issue though? It sounded more like an issue on who chooses the identity.

Like if a new student expects to go into the witch dormitory, but then the castle decides no, sounds horrifying to me, talk about a rude awakening, surrounded by people you don't know, afraid to be judged.

Its not impossible with in game lore though, with the sorting hat and all. But, for me that should be a personal decision, not something the castle just enforces without explanation.

At the very least have the hat ask and clarify what you want instead of just having you blocked out of your sleeping quarters the first day of school.

[timid granite]

@ruby thistle technically its not a decision at all. To know when you are ready can be. But being trans is not.

So I came more from a point, where you yourself deep in your heart and soul already know.

[ruby thistle]

Alright, fair enough.

[timid granite]

Yes the Outing via Castle enchantment could be harsh, but honestly any outing is. The earlier the better for your future.

To me it would propably be assuring to know that magic agrees with me. You feel less alone. And thats propably the worst thing that can happen. Being left alone after an outing, not able to do anything because those who make the decision (parents for example) do not stand with you and try to talk you out of it. While you know what you want and have to helplessy watch puperty destroying your very being.
With the castle on your side, no one can really stop you to go your way.

And now I am crying and leave it at that.

[frank jewel]

Well according to the books, the enchantment exists due to the founders found 'boys' less trustworthy, so I guess you could argue if someone identifies as a witch it wouldn't actually be a problem. I just don't know how the spell would know. But that could probably be said for many spells 😅

[boreal shuttle]

A little bit later than promised and I think the most important things have already been said, but anyway...

Polyjuice: I think that one comes down to how exactly the physiology of wizards differs from muggles and whether or not Polyjuice affects internal organs in the first place. Both of these questions are impossible to answer with certainty and the closest point of reference we do have, which isn't close at all, is that things like eyesight are part of the deal. Personally I like to believe that Polyjuice is 100% external because anything else sounds like a fanfiction nightmare come alive.

The charm on the girls' staircase: I believe that the charm is linked to Hogwarts' sentience and thus fully adaptable to the scenario you proposed. There are no arguments to make a case one way or another because we simply have no idea how the charm even works but "well... magic just... knows!" is a valid point when you have no real facts* to go by.

*if I may theorise a bit though: The charm still being in place - and apparently unchanged at that - does at least suggest that even the current headmaster/headmistress doesn't have the power to alter it, which can definitely be interpreted as slight proof that the charm has basically become part of Hogwarts itself. It's a more romantic view on the situation as a whole but I think it fits.

[sinful stratus]

can you have a pet other than the standard owl,cat,frog? i remember ron had a rat and that other gid had a iguana so is there a chance to have a pet snake at hogwarts?

[boreal shuttle]

The whole "owls, cats and frogs" thing seems more like a guideline than a rule that is set in stone. We do have several examples of other pets, Lee Jordan even had a Tarantula.

regarding snakes specifically, I'd say it depends on the exact species.

[sinful stratus]

ok i would hope for legacy to have more than three options for pets

[ruby thistle]

Not sure about pets, but we get to build an animal shelter basically. So should be plenty of animals

[brave echo]

Why does this makes sense ?

[boreal shuttle]

Hermione pretty much breaks all of her self-imposed rules when it comes to Harry.

[sinful stratus]

it doesnt Hermione found the basilisk in hogwartz library also at the time he knew none of the details about the basilisk

and in a life or death situation regarding the whole of hogwarts (or at least all the mudbloods) vandalism can be excused

[random moon]

Yeah pretty sure it was just Draco being a little jerk. He was probably only interested in what was on that i and didn’t want to go through the effort of buying the whole book

[sinful stratus]

i thought it was because he didn't like the book's author who was making a scene with harry

[random moon]

Plus it was only in the film.

Just a nice little visual cue that Draco is still a jerk

Such a scene wasn’t in the book and Hermione still had the torn page in the book so yeah, she absolutely would damage a book if it was for something important

[random moon]

Don’t think it was a Lockhart book. It didn’t have a picture of him on the front. Which seemed to be a thing he did going by the Magical Me front over and his general inflated ego and narcissism

[sinful stratus]

exactly how "EVIL" will we be able to be in game, personally i want to go full massacre dark mage?

[ruby thistle]

No idea, but all the unforgiveable curses are there.

[sinful stratus]

ok i hope to be a murderous dark lord

[ruby thistle]

However I suspect the main story will be mostly linear, aside from how exactly you get at the endings.

Like you may throw avada kedavra around, but im uncertain how much characters around you will respond to it.

And you seem to be trying to save the wizard world from some threat, so you might at worst be some sort of anti hero

[boreal shuttle]

Gameplay-wise that shouldn't be a problem, but I highly doubt you'll be murdering others (especially humans) as part of the story and cutscenes. You can likely be the cold and calculating type but there won't be any Voldemort temper tantrums where you murder an entire room full of people

[ruby thistle]

Something like that. Maybe a comment will be thrown about how you use such spells, and you might be able to respond with some arrogant or cynical, or end justify means type of answer. But in the end it sort of goes the same direction.

[sinful stratus]

darn it i was hoping on killing students and making a horcrux

[ruby thistle]

Mods I guess.

[sinful stratus]

i heard WB games typically avoid mods so that may not be an option

[random moon]

The game is rated Teen lol

And generally most game devs don’t allow murdering children characters as that makes ratings boards slap them with AO or equivalent ratings which utterly kills sales

[sinful stratus]

d*** it

[viral badger]

Let's try and avoid the topics about killing children please

[sinful stratus]

some hogwartz students are teens

[viral badger]

Be that as it may WB has asked us in the past to shut that sort of thing down. Also Teens are still minors this still children

[timid granite]

@boreal shuttle Well I think Polyjuice is more complete than that. As you said Eyesight gets restored too, so I guess there will be all organs affected.

About the Enchantment on the staircase, it would be the best indicator and the best back up for you. There is other facts scientific and psychological too though, and usually if you are trans, you know it deep inside. Other people might have trouble to understand that and in those cases I think the enchantment would be an insanely good proof of what you do feel and know. It would be the master argument.

[sinful stratus]

i know there is a McKinnon clan of wizards, is that the same mckinnon clan of the muggles?

[timid granite]

What is a McKinnon clan?

[sinful stratus]

https://harrypotter.fandom.com/wiki/McKinnon_family this is the version from the story but there is a real scottish heritage of McKinnon that i am descended from

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clan_Mackinnon

i am asking if the wizarding mckinnon family is the same as or connected to the muggle mckinnon family

[timid granite]

Maybe, as their blood status is unclear

[sinful stratus]

ok i just found it curious as my ancestors were the mckinnon

[timid granite]

Oh

Well then maybe ask your family members

[sinful stratus]

you do realize wizards are fiction

[timid granite]

Yes

But who knows

Maybe there is magic of some kind in your family

There is many types of it

[ruby thistle]

There is a girl in my town who owns a crystal shop, calls herself a witch and sells love potions.
🧙‍♀️

[timid granite]

See

Magic does exist

[sinful stratus]

my mother just said that there is truth to your statement

about magic in my heritage

[timid granite]

Amazing

[harsh frost]

Magic is real, it's just not the same as HP

Though I do wish it was

[ruby thistle]

When people describe magic, its always so vague, it might as well not exist.

Like when Harry pretended to give Ron the luck potion, and that made Ron confident enough in his abilities, leading to them winning the game, is probably a good description of "magic" as it is described by wicca today.

I dont disagree, simply believing you can do something sometimes enables you to do that very thing, but its not like you can cure cancer or foretell the future with self-confidence as some would have it.

And if magic is just wanting something, and focusing on what one wants, and believing you can do it, then bloody everything alive is magic.

Which to me sounds like playing with words and definitions rather than describing something real.

[olive swan]

Isn't that the whole point of "magic" though, the whimsical and fictious aspect to it?

The moment it loses the vagueness, it's more of a science, no? As in, you can research it and properly harness it.

[exotic lotus]

This is honestly one of my favorite parts of fantasy magic! The science :trollchad: I like thinking about its limitations and such, even if the characters in the world are unaware of the actual workings

[stone matrix]

Same here

[worthy trench]

Well ya got to have some limits defined to some extent or you should just be able to use it to easily solve the plot

Like if Gandalf could use his full power in LOTR/Hobbit he'd resolve the plot in 30 mins

[sinful stratus]

are there going to be giants as well, i remember hagrid's mom was a giantess yet in all films and books i know of there is no appearance of a female giant

[stone matrix]

Madame Maxine was half giant too

[sinful stratus]

half not full

[ruby thistle]

Do you think voldemort could see thestrals?

I mean he killed tons of people, even died himself, multiple times.

But not sure he experienced a personal loss, unless he himself counts.

[sinful stratus]

it doesnt say you have to have a personal death just that you have to have seen death so yes he would be able to. though now that you mention it there is a thestral mount in legacy so would that mean the player character has witnessed death

[random moon]

You need to have seen death and accepted it.

Voldy saw plenty of death. And it’s meant nothing to him, only his own death was something that he refused to accept

[ruby thistle]

Harry saw death as a baby but he could not see thestrals before cedric diggory died in book 4. And it still took months before he could see them.

He also saw death when quarrel died in book 1 i think, and when voldemorts horcrux died in book 2 (although he was not aware it was a horcrux he was aware the book was living)

The basilisk does not count maybe, as an animal.

[ruby thistle]

Accepted it, and it must have meant something to you i think. Hence why seeing someone you don't know die may not make you able to see them.

O guess atleast

[random moon]

Harry was a baby. He didn’t even remember seeing them die, never mind accepting death.

In the books Harry was unconscious before Quirrell died. So he didn’t see it. The film had him awake a bit longer so that was an goof on the films part.

The book wasn’t alive per se. It was just a memory fuelled by a tiny soul fragment. The soul fragment wouldn’t be enough to consider it living either.

And yeah, deaths of animals don’t count. It has to be the death of a human.

[ruby thistle]

Voldemort got angry when his horcruxes died. He clearly accepted their loss, he wasn't delusional thinking they were all still around. He just didn't accept defeat while some still existed.

He could go both ways imo.

[random moon]

It doesn’t have to be someone close to you necessarily. Just witnessing, processing and accepting a death you witnessed is enough.

Harry and Cedric weren’t exactly best buds. They were acquaintances at best, and primarily through circumstance.

We never really saw them interacting outside of the odd hint for a challenge and in the challenges themselves. They weren’t close.

[ruby thistle]

I agree they weren't best of friends. But they were rivals, and had communed together several times. There was a sense of respect at the end also.

They totally would have been friends if the port key hadn't been hexed

Ignoring that an unhexed port key would make bo sense considering why Harry was there in the first place.

[random moon]

It’s just that most folks first experience of death and who can see Thestrals,witnessed the death of a family member, which I think is where this misconception of it needing to be someone you were close to came from.

[boreal shuttle]

You have to comprehend what you saw and accept death as a concept. There's nothing that suggests that you need to see someone dying who is close to you or that you even have to care at all.

[ruby thistle]

You may be right.

But it seems wierd symbolically, and voldemort never mastered the elder wand, which included a thestral hair.

The fandom wiki states you have to witness death. But it also mentions how it took several months before harry could see them as he hadn't processed the death.

If you dont need to care, what is there to process.

[stuck epoch]

He never mastered it cause he never was the master it got nothing to do with the therastral hair

It was dumbledor<draco<harry

Thats like the main things why harry won

[ruby thistle]

The entire deal about the deathly hallows were to be the master of death.

I mean voldemort fricking "killed" Harry for a few minutes without the elder wand changing allegiance.

Before harry could simply disarm malfoy to become the owner, but voldemort knocking him unconscious in a semi death state didn't make the wand change.

[stuck epoch]

He didn’t kill harry tho

He killed the part of his soul inside harry not harry

[ruby thistle]

He was in limbo, but was able to go back, presumably because voldemorts soul died in hos place.

[random moon]

He killed the part of his soul yeah

Harry was just along for the ride. He had the choice to go back

[ruby thistle]

Besides, disarming is enough to make the elder wand change allegiance. Surely knocking Harry unconscious would count too

[stuck epoch]

That wasn’t really the limbo its a thing between life and death

And the limbo is something else

[stuck epoch]

Not how dueling works

[ruby thistle]

It was limbo, dumbledore said so himself. An in-between world where you were neither.

Voldy got stuck there.

[random moon]

The EW can’t be used to kill it’s true master.

So the EW refused and killed the parasitic bit of Voldy’s soul in Harry. Harry just got dragged to limbo with it

[stuck epoch]

Well yes but no

[random moon]

It’s why Harry had the choice. He could get on the train and move on to the afterlife, or go back and save his friends.

[stuck epoch]

The harry death is a separate matter as you don’t escape from the limbo and normally dont even get there in the first place

You get there if you distort your soul (making a horcrux)

Atleast from what i understood

[random moon]

Folks who come back as ghosts must though.

Because they actively have to choose to return

[ruby thistle]

Ok, my point is.

Ew changes allegiance when owner is beaten.

Draco was owner, but got disarmed by Harry.

Harry is owner, but got knocked out, and I dare say lost his wand in the process. I mean you don't hold things when you lose consciousness.

Therefore, he got disarmed, and should have lost ownership of the wand.

Unless the wand does not solely care about who defeats who.

I suspect Harry kept ownership, because he had ownership of all the hallows at that point, and had accepted death. He willingly went to die for his friends, meaning he was the true master of death, therefore also the thestral wand.

[stuck epoch]

Doesn’t their soul just linger as they refuse to leave and then dont get the opportunity to leave once they refused?

[stuck epoch]

Him being the true master of death may be right yes (if its even a thing)

[ruby thistle]

Think they have to choose to go back. I suppose you could say that refusing to move on, is essentially choosing to go back. A bit semantic though

[random moon]

But Voldy tried to kill him with the EW. Not some other wand.

So the EW was still Harry’s. And so it refused to kill him.

[ruby thistle]

It doesn't matter in terms in being beaten. He got knocked out, even lost his wand. Ew changes ownership, as far as we know when that happens.

Since it didn't, I argue the ew is more complicated than that.

[frank jewel]

But Harry didn't get 'defeated' as such, he went there willingly without the intention to fight. And I'm pretty sure that matters.

[ruby thistle]

Harry didn't kill draco either, ew still changed ownership, so murder is clery not necessary.

[ruby thistle]

Aye, thats part of what I'm arguing above, with being the master of death, accepting it and all that.

Which leads back to the ew being a core of thestral hair, and whether voldydoldy can see thestrals or not.

[frank jewel]

It's definitely more complicated though. as is repeated a million times. The wand chooses the wizard. I'm sure the wand can choose itself whether something is 'enough' to change its owner

[stuck epoch]

I understood it this way: you a normal magical human die. The you go straight to the afterlive no stops in between but if you just stay/ refuse to go you become a ghost and only distorted souls go to the limbo with it being a separate thing from death

If you die go to the limbo the the afterlive/become a ghost youd be correct with harry being in the limbo

[ruby thistle]

Yeah. The choice is whether you move on or not.

Unless you ruined your soul, in which case the choice is made for you.

[ruby thistle]

Did not get that

[stuck epoch]

I mean that you decide on earth and and go to the afterlive or stay

Not that you go to the limbo after death and then come back/move on

and it was possible in the rarest of cases for wizards to visit the borderlands between death and life, in a state called Limbo, and return to the world of the living
So i was wrong (sauce the harry potter wiki so dunno how credible it is)

[boreal shuttle]

It almost definitely matters, yeah. After all Dumbledore's original plan was to have Snape kill him and die undefeated - that at least confirms that Dumbledore firmly believed that the situation and intent matter when it comes to being "defeated".

[worthy trench]

Yah most don't get a choice to go back from Limbo alive it seems. It may be how ghosts come to be though, they die go to Limbo and choose to go back as ghosts. Muggles don't get a choice it seems. They just go straight on to the afterlife it seems. And souls split so badly don't go back or on but remain stuck in Limbo forever.

Yah the EW wouldn't kill or willingly betray HP, its master, regardless of whether his choice to die mattered in the EW staying with him or not. Even if it would since HP chose to die, he could not be defeated since being defeated implies intent to fight and defend yourself before self beforehand in which case LV could have defeated him and won the EW but likely only if he used another wand to do it.

[ruby thistle]

The intent to fight thing cant be true. Dumbledore died on purpose too, meaning he had no intent to fight either.

Wand still changed owner.

[modern moth]

This was because Draco actually beat Dumbledore. It has to be a real win, not just practice or pretend

And the specification of “win” is pretty broad

Basically, the plot required it

[ruby thistle]

Thats bull man.

Harry got knocked unconscious, if that's not equivalent to winning i don't know what is.

Later Harry "won" by disarming, draco, thus, Harry being knocked unconscious should 100% mean that voldemort became the master.

But he didn't.

Why? Because he willingly went to die? No dumbledore did the same, but died and lost the ownership.

Because the wand didn't want to hurt him? Maybe, but he still went to limbo, and had to choose to go back. Clearly the wand did hurt him enough to knock him unconscious, again this should make him lose ownership like draco did when he was disarmed.

I am assuming here that Harry isn't some exception to the rule. Therefore whatever reason is made to allow Harry remain the owner must apply to dumbledore and draco aswell.

[umbral mortar]

Did Dumbledore get disarmed by Draco willingly? Or did Draco surprise him?

[ruby thistle]

Dumbledore had chosen to die that night.

I dont think he knew specifically that draco would be chosen for the job.

[modern moth]

Like I said, the win condition is strange, and the plot required it

[ruby thistle]

Man thats capitulation

[modern moth]

Basically like hermione being in griffindor

[umbral mortar]

But draco didn't kill him, he just disarmed him. The wuestion would the be if Dumbledore decided to get disarmed

[umbral mortar]

She fits in gryffindor though

[modern moth]

She would be in ravenclaw

[umbral mortar]

I think she fits both, but she herself values gryffindor traits more. She says so herself

[ruby thistle]

She valued gryffindor values more than ravenclaw. No potholes there.

The girl in first year willingly fought flesh eating plants, three headed dogs, and snuck around after curfew despite risk og being expelled.

She is 100%a gryffindor, even though she clearly has a head for learning.

[modern moth]

Apparently “she had a different type of smarts” which is the reason she’s in gryffindor and anyway, that was because she became a gryffindor which is why she said that which is a biased view

[ruby thistle]

And risk of being expelled is a big deal. She was muggle born. Imagine being allowed to learn magic exists, then risking losing access to it cus your friends need help doing random stuff.

[modern moth]

I have to go bye

[olive swan]

lmao. In the Epilogue of DH, Harry tells his son that the Sorting hat will listen to his request. So, idk - the whole Hermione part is way overblown to be honest. In the Sorcerer's Stone, she even tells Ron and Harry that she hopes she'll be put in Gryffindor.

That's where JKR's excellent world-building shines through once again.

[shy gyro]

Dumbledore asked Harry to step aside, so he could stun Draco, and couldn't see him, because of the cloak, so he didn't know he wasn't fast enough until it was too late. He hit invis Harry instead of Draco and Draco used that to disarm Dumbledore.
That's when the shift in ownership happened.
In the book, at least.

[timid granite]

I don't think it was an accident that Harry got stunned. Dumbledore was shown multiple times, that he can see through Harrys cloak.

[shy gyro]

Yes. Excellent in those few parts where she actually used more than 5 seconds of brain power: The Characters. She has well thought out characters. World Building, as soon as it doesn't include specific characters anymore, it stops making sense. Right then and there.

[timid granite]

So he had to know exactly where he was

[shy gyro]

He had asked Snape weeks before to kill him.
He couldn't risk Draco killing him before Snape could take that job.

[ruby thistle]

I mean, its quite consistent that the house you are placed in represent the values you value the most. Not necessarily the values you have the most of.

Peter pettigrew, the most cowardly gryffindor ever is an example of that.

He was apparently in-between gryffimdor and slytherin, but got gryffindor in the end.

He didn't really get to achieve the virtues of gryffindor, but I think that is who he wanted to be.

He was to much of a coward to do it though.

Examples, crab and Vincent goyle.

Neither were were cunning, both were simple thugs.

But they clearly had ambition, and wanted to be leaders on top.

Both were poor slytherins in terms of cunning and what they achieved but they did calue the slythrrin virtues the most.

[olive swan]

JKR should have just left the line out. But she didn't. And since she did not, it's canon and thus established as fact.

You can chose your house - the hat takes suggestions like he did for Harry when he told him he'd be great in Slytherin. Harry said no because as children are, being influenced by the first person who showed him any kind of love, influenced his decision making greatly - Hagrid, telling him that all the 'evil wizards' come from Slytherin didn't help much. Furthermore, when Hagrid, or Ron - not sure who did exactly, told him that his parents were killed by an evil wizard who was - also from that evil house, doesn't make for a great unbiased decision making.

While I love to theorize, this ain't it.

[ruby thistle]

Mcgonnagal was super brainy too, but became a gryffindor.

And Lockheart was not exactly much of a researcher or philosopher, nor very skilled (except in obliviate) But he was extremely ambitious, in a negative, willing to lie way.

[ruby thistle]

Able to choose because they were hatstalls.

Most of the students got decided in seconds.

But when the hat was unsure, it let the student tip the scales in one direction.

Harry, was clearly fit for both slytherin and gryffindor.

He showed great cunning, leadership, courage and loyalty. He just valued some of those traits more than others.

And yes, being able to say which house you want is not contradictory to which traits you value more.

If you value ravenclaw traits more than slytherin, clearly you then ask for that house.

The hat still chooses a house according to the traits that suit your values.

If this is not true, then explain how does ravenclaw get students who fail in tests, how does slytherin get daft and uninspired leaders, and how does gryffindor get occasional cowards in its ranks?

The answer has to be you get a house based on values, not necessarily what you have the most of.

[timid granite]

Did any Ravenclaw ever fail a test?

[olive swan]

Source pls.

But if it matter to you, you'll be able to choose Gryffindor over Slytherin.
The Sorting Hat takes your choice into account."
"Really?"
"It did for me," said Harry.

DH - Epilogue

That's what Harry tells his son.

[ruby thistle]

Yeah, because the choice you make there is the same as your values lol

[timid granite]

Taking a choice into account doesn't mean you can choose your house how you please though

[ruby thistle]

If you say "please make me go gryffindor", its because that house, and its values are more correct for you.

[ruby thistle]

True, we've only seen it when it was a hatstall between 2 houses.

Which i guess means that the hat is working for the most part.

[olive swan]

All Harry tells us in Chapter 7 of Sorcerer's Stone is that some were chosen faster than others, and the only example where we get any sense of speed is when Draco had been chosen without the hat even being properly placed on his head.
If anything, it proves my point. Draco had been influenced strongly by his parents and their blood-purity and overall superiority over other wizards and/or other magicals in general.

Dumbledore even mentions to Snape that he thinks that the Sorting hat sorts too soon, of course that discussion goes nowhere but it shows. Values can shift, this was in direct contrast to Snape's earlier ambition and how he no longer fit into Slytherin. If even Dumbledore says so, I mean, I wouldn't put too much thought into the whole sorting ceremony.

Nooooo

My comment was partly deleted.

I'm too stupid for my keyboard.

Yerah, I wrote half an essay, I won't write all that up again.

[timid granite]

Thats for example why you are not in Ravenclaw

[olive swan]

The shade. lmao

But true.

[ruby thistle]

Source for ravenclaws not acing every test, and slytherins not being amazing leaders always, and gryffindors being ocasional cowards?

Peter pettigrew - gryffindor, clearly not brave enough to stand by his friends.

Gilderoy lockheart - ravenclaw, was clearly subpar in several spells, except memory charms.

Crab & Vincent goyle- clearly the epitome of cunning and resourcefulness in the story.

Cedric diggory, showing great bravery and dignity. But was hufflepuff nonetheless.

I dont know what kind of source you want man. Examples are j the characters themselves.

[ruby thistle]

Yes, draco was influenced by his parents. Meaning his values was closest aligned to slytherin.

We agree i guess?

[olive swan]

Meh, I don't see how that contradicts anything I've said earlier.
If we were to go by your explanation, the hat choosing based on the values one weighs most importantly at that particular point in time - outlines the problem with the hat and the whole sorting ceremony.

We've seen throughout the books that values can shift and change. So, idk - going back to well, they didn't live up to the expectations the house represented because reasons, is a fairly easy way out of the whole discussion. Because, you know - people change and, value certain aspects differently or not at all.
The very problem with the hat and its sorting is that you can't define someone by four/five attributes alone, especially not a child of 11 years old.

---

Children are gullible, throwing some special circumstances into the mix, maybe even pressuring them somewhat, can tip the scale considerably. So, idk.
If you were told by your peers that a particular house is extremely evil or useless or whatnot, you would be more inclined to not choose that particular house - as in pressuring the hat to not place you in that house, or wavering with your decision and thus, again, the hat either convincing you of his choice and or insisting on your own - to not go to that house, only not to be ousted by the peers or the people you've just become friends with on the train. Or the stories you've read in your books about all the great wizards and their houses. I think people give the hat way too much credit, when it all boils down to circumstances and maybe some original intent.

[olive swan]

Yeah. That I agree on.

[boreal shuttle]

I think ultimately the sorting hat and how it makes its choices is a little more complicated than many people think. It does absolutely consider what an individual student values, but it also looks for what's inside and if said values can realistically transition into traits. It also makes some of its choiced based on which house would be the most advantageous for the personal development of specific students.

Then there's the oversimplification of some characters when it comes to their traits and the house they were placed in. Pettigrew is a good example of that as I can and have argued repeatedly that he definitely possessed some of Gryffindor's traits and had shown bravery in his life - we aren't 100% brave or 100% cowardly, that's not how it works - and just because he wasn't brave enough to stand up to Voldemort, that doesn't mean that he wasn't brave at all.

It's also important to note that some people just don't fit any of the others really well, which makes certain choices/placings of the hat seem weird at first glance but they mostly make sense when you really think about them. Let's use Pettigrew as an example again: it's a common argument that he should have been placed into Slytherin but why exactly? He did have some cunning but only when it comes to his self-preservation and that's really where his Slytherin traits and values end. He wasn't ambitious or proud and he certainly didn't have any leadership qualities.
So there really wasn't a great or even good fit for Pettigrew when it comes to the Hogwarts houses, meaning the hat basically had to pick the one that at least somewhat fits, could help lessen his load and potentially make him the best person he could be - even if that didn't work out.
We actually have a lot of examples that fit into this category, like the aforementioned Lockhart or obviously individuals like Crabbe and Goyle.

[brave echo]

Too long, didn't read.

[olive swan]

Same.

[boreal shuttle]

RedWing has a short attention span, so they're excused. You on the other hand though... some of your posts are just as long, so you're being rude for the sake of it! Not that this is unusual, considering your house

[brave echo]

I don't have a short attention span. I'm just not in the mood to read essays.

[boreal shuttle]

Late answer but: He definitely didn't get disarmed willingly and was legitimately caught off guard. It was his plan after all to die undefeated, so that the Elder Wand would "die" with him.

[frank jewel]

Not so much caught off guard as the time he would have spent defending himself, he spent freezing Harry instead

[boreal shuttle]

Dumbledore was basically just an old man with very little magical and physical reserves in that moment - I think he originally planned to freeze Harry and then block Draco's curse, so he could try reasoning with him, but he didn't take his own fatigue into account

Or he did take it into account and still felt that ensuring Harry's safety was the most important thing, both scenarios are possible.

[ruby thistle]

Same result though, but sure.

[timid bane]

I don’t think he was expecting Draco to disarm him, definitely caught off guard and weak after having to drink the potion

[boreal shuttle]

He 100% knew that someone was coming and could have defended himself - the question is whether he planned to do so after freezing Harry and failed or gave up his plan so that Harry's safety could be assured.

[frank jewel]

They say it pretty literally in the book

[boreal shuttle]

I still think that he easily could have done both, under normal circumstances; which is why this scenario is especially interesting.

[frank jewel]

Of course, the fact that he was weak did not help

I just don't think he did it willingly or was caught by surprise. He just prioritized both of his students safety

[boreal shuttle]

with caugh off guard I meant it more like he was intending to do both but underestimated his own fatigue, which fits Dumbledore's character imo

[frank jewel]

Maybe, I didn't interpret it that way personally. Dumbledore seemed to be in control of much of the confrontation, so I don't think he minded losing his wand.

[boreal shuttle]

I'd say he definitely did mind being disarmed by Draco, because it went against his original plan and potentially put Draco in more danger. But it's absolutely possible that he knew he'd be unable to both secure Harry and defend himself, given his state, and Harry was obviously the bigger priority.

But it's impossible to say for sure, Dumbledore isn't exactly the most transparent character.

[frank jewel]

Well I think he figured that if he had no wand, then there was likely less of a chance where Draco could be in danger. Since Draco's whole mission was to take down Dumbledore, and the threat was that if Draco failed they would hurt him and his family. If Dumbledore could make it seem like Draco had succeeded, he would be much safer. At least that seemed to be why Dumbledore never confronted him directly about the situation before.

[boreal shuttle]

Dumbledore didn't know that Draco was coming though, he just knew someone was coming. And he could have just tossed the wand aside if he wanted to have a heart to heart with Draco, or waited to see how the situation would develop.

He did put a potential mark on Draco's back because Voldemort could have figured out that Draco disarmed Dumbledore on the Astronomy Tower; so even if you disregard his original plan of wanting to die undefeated, that still leaves us with an undesirable situation.

Draco immediately disarmed him after bursting through the door, and even by Dumbledore's standards it'd be a stretch to assume that he could make a calculated decision like this so fast.

[frank jewel]

I just think Dumbledore saw that it was Draco, and reacted accordingly.

I don't think he would have frozen Harry if it was someone else

[boreal shuttle]

He definitely would have imo. He knew he'd die there, ensuring Harry's safety was an absolute necessity - and Dumbledore knew that Harry is a hot-head better than almost anyone else.

But thinking back on the situation does make me lean towards him giving up the wand in favour of protecting Harry. I don't think he intended to defend himself after he saw who came through the door; even under normal circumstances that would have required excellent reflexes.

Or rather excellent reaction time

[frank jewel]

Draco also would have to react to who was there and where they were before casting his spell, so I think Dumbledore would have had the time to do the same, given his reflexes are usually, way faster. I'd say his weakened self was on par with Draco's. Personally I always thought he froze Harry not to do something to Draco specifically. Since Harry could have easily jinxed him from under the cloak. However, if death eaters or anyone else came up and saw Draco incapacitated it would have been bad news for the same reason I mentioned above.

On top of that I don't think Dumbledore thought Draco would actually kill him. So Draco vs Him, it was better he had no wand. If it was a death eater that was not Snape though, I think he might have preferred the wand, so he didn't die/get disarmed prematurely according to his plan.

Though honestly, with the information we have, either scenario is just as likely

but that was always how I viewed the scene

[boreal shuttle]

That's basically what I mean though and why I disregarded the first scenario I mentioned - Dumbledore waited to see if it was friend or foe but the decision to freeze Harry if an enemy came through the door was made right then. I don't think he would have risked Harry in any way and he likely knew that he was in no state to fight anyone really and definitely not a Death Eater. So he basically decided to give up the wand in advance, which would explain why he'd be willing to put a target on Draco's back, because at this point he had no real choice.

It's sloppy either way but I made the error of treating Dumbledore like his usual self in my earlier argumentation - he was basically mind tortured and mentally, physically and magically fatigued.

And because of this your interpretation is definitely possible as well.

This wasn't the Dumbledore we had known up until this point.

He also knew of Draco's mission and Snape's unbreakable vow, which could have affected his decision as well.

That could also be used as an argument for your interpretation - if an overzealous Death Eater arrived, he might have tried fighting them together with Harry, because dying to them would probably have meant losing Snape.

[frank jewel]

Exactly, if a death eater came instead of Draco he would want to fight rather than protect, due to his entire plan

[boreal shuttle]

Man, second-guessing Dumbledore's decision making is a pain

[olive swan]

lmao. As if I would shy away from a good debate.

[olive swan]

Okay, where to dissect this.

A lot of your evidence hinges on one particular individual, Peter Pettigrew, which to me is just too easy. The problem is, we don't know how the hat considers certain traits - as in which ones he deems more valuable and thus weigh more heavily when pondering his decision making.

Again, I'd wager that very few children - at that age, know what they aspire to be. If anything, I could see some aspects instilled in them from an early age - which is well, pretty much what we all have had at that age. But to me, even if the hat had all the knowledge of your past and how you've interacted so far, pushing you towards a certain house, purely based on traits - which are very much open for interpretation to begin with, is well that, I guess.

You've said that people are multifaceted, 'no one is 100% brave, 100% loyal' etc. But the hat basically cherry-picks whichever traits the child exhibited or aspired to be at that particular age. Since you don't have to be the epitome of a certain trait, or multiple for that matter, to fit - there ought to be some that, well, do.
Looking at it in retrospect and going, well - this didn't work out, or well it did work out because these three events I've chosen to reveal to the audience just happen to fit into whatever choice the hat had made years, decades back is - too easy. in my opinion at least.

One of the major themes of her book, and one as old as time itself, good and evil. Harry Potter's, the book-series, foundation is built on that stark contrast between overcoming the big bad and finding a place to belong.

[modern moth]

I think dobby is secretly voldemort

[worthy trench]

Snape: Your evidence?...

As for AD Draco thing, ya he was just legit too late to defend himself and too tired to do so by the point the spell was cast against his wand. Did Draco do the spell at the same time he immoblised HP or after? If it was the former he then he'd have no chance since he can't cast 2 spells at once since he has to say both in his head (I think) if he's doing non-verbal.

Ultimately it works out for him even if its not ideal as Draco has no clue he just won the wand from him, nor did anyone bar GG know he had the wand as far we know (I assume FB won't have people sus he won the EW from GG or that GG had it). So plan A - die with wand and wand loses its power or just becomes a normal wand presumably. Unintended plan B - Draco dies naturally or if the wand is won from him in the futue, hopefully no one knows by who and so and so on making it more likely as time goes, its owner will die naturally thus ending the wands power per plan A.

It just takes longer in the Draco got the wand instance but he wasn't planning that. At that point, he'd just have to hope no one learns who the true owner is or the true owner dies naturally at some point.

Ofc everyone would know who the true owner is after DH given HP told everyone in the grand hall.

Whether CC changed the ownership later is unknown.

But HP may aswell have put a neon sign over his head saying "Disarm or kill me to master the Elder Wand, most powerful wand ever."

[azure python]

me too

[modern moth]

I got the yew wand lol

[timid bane]

I agree with everything here except the last bit about not fitting into any other houses- I thought it was canon that students that didn’t really fit any of the four houses were sorted into hufflepuff?

[worthy trench]

Hufflepuff takes those who the hat decides don't fit better into other houses

As hufflepuff said, she'll teach everyone and treat them all the same

[modern moth]

I think so too

[loud barn]

bro sammmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmme

[ruby thistle]

Sort of. Hufflepuff didn't have the strictest criteria on who should study magic. She generally thought that education should be for all.

But her personal virtues were hard work, discipline, fair play, loyalty and such.

My interpretation is hufflepuff is the more practical and down to earth house of the lot.

[plucky cape]

I have a question. After using expelliarmus on enemy wand it always belongs to me?

[timid granite]

No, it doesn't

That worked for the Elder Wand, but not for every other wand

Especially Unicorn Hair wands are very loyal

I think its up to the wand to decide if he wants to switch the owner

[random moon]

This. It’s up to the wand and depends on the core and wood how well it might work for someone who isn’t it’s original owner.

Some woods are very finicky and will just refuse to work for anyone that isn’t their original owner.

[olive swan]

It's up to JKRs storytelling and if the plot demands it. I'll see myself out.

[simple tide]

wasnt that what we saw with voldemort and the elder wand

the wand was like "lol you didnt win me"

[random moon]

The EW wouldn’t actually kill Harry. Because it can’t kill it’s true master, which is why the killing curse kills Voldy in the final fight.

[lusty relic]

who or what is CC again

all i can think is collin the caterpillar

collin creevey maybe lmao

[random moon]

Character creator

Or Character Creation

[lusty relic]

ah ok thanks

[boreal shuttle]

That Hufflepuff "takes the rest" has been over-intellectualised imo. From everything we know to be true it simply means that in Hufflepuff your traits (whether present or future) don't really matter all that much if you're willing to embrace the virtues of Hufflepuff. Otherwise I'm pretty sure students like Gregory Goyle would have landed there, Crabbe at least had the excuse of hiding or being unaware of his ambitions.

It's definitely not the house of the misfits or left-overs, as many people claim to be the case, and simply more inclusive than the other houses.

[rotund portal]

Hi, do you know if a map of game have leaks ? or just théories ?

[harsh reef]

Hello. What’s this thread for exactly? Confirmed stuff?

[olive swan]

Lore about the WW.

[turbid obsidian]

"Discuss the lore of the Wizarding World from the 1890s and the decades prior (maybe a bit later, too)."

[harsh reef]

Ok… How much late Victorianism do you all think we’re going to see?

It’s an interesting thought, considering how much of the WW of 1990 was still residing in it.

[ruby thistle]

What are you asking here?

Some person did create a map of hogwarts using the minimap shown in gameplay. Other than that we don't have a map

[rotund portal]

Map of world are in Lore ? or not ?

[whole nacelle]

i was gonna try and figure out but i couldnt tell lmao

[shy gyro]

If a Squib and a Muggle have a magical child, is that a Halfblood or a Muggleborn?

[timid granite]

A Squib has magical blood, so its a half blood