lore

[stuck epoch]

moral is based on feelings

if you anger an predator is it wrong of it to kill you?

[ancient lark]

No cause it feels threatened, just trying to survive

[stuck epoch]

from a humans perspective yes from the animal perspective no

and when it comes to greed thats a natural emotion every human has (and probably many other animals as well)

you can be greedy and still achieve your greed in "good" ways

[ancient lark]

Yes but when you harm due to greed that’s when it’s no longer good

[ancient lark]

Also I guess this goes back to my other argument about survival

[stuck epoch]

good and evil is really simply a concept humans made to easier live together

[ancient lark]

Right

[stuck epoch]

and ethic is just the overall term for it

[ancient lark]

I’ve been thinking about it this way for a while now

I’m curious when it started

[stuck epoch]

around the time civilization probably

maybe early

(my guess dont really know)

[ancient lark]

Yes we must have been smart enough to create such concepts because I think we might be the only ones with a firm grasp of good and evil

[stuck epoch]

to bother enough to create such concepts would be my choice of words but yes

[ancient lark]

Haha that too

[thorn relic]

oh

wait nvm

YAY

[idle salmon]

That sounds like something a Hufflepuff would ask 👀

But anyways...
You hurting someone ugly just coz they're ugly is Evil
You calling someone ugly coz they're ugly is truthful yet immoral & if you discriminate towards someone ugly just coz they're ugly then it is unethical

[stiff patrol]

I think the real question is can can there be such a thing as dark or light magic if both both can be used with dark or light intent

[idle salmon]

I mean a pillow is soft & fluffy until you use it to choke someone to death with it 🤷🏻‍♂️

[stiff patrol]

yep

[stuck epoch]

well yes cause not all spells can be used for good/bad things

you cant use crucio for good things and you cant use lumos for bad things

[modern moth]

I mean Lumos right in the eyes could be pretty bad

https://tenor.com/view/reaction-my-eyes-cant-unsee-burn-gif-7225082

[stuck epoch]

putting the wand in your eyes could also be pretty bad

[tiny lance]

What if you use crucio on a bad person and stop them from hurting someone innocent

[stuck epoch]

so putting a person through the worst torture is worth saving someone if you could do it differently?

[tiny lance]

I mean if it’s the only option

[stuck epoch]

there is always more than just one option

if you gonna use those kinda examples everything bad is good and everything good is bad

tho good and bad is simply something made up to begin with

[tiny lance]

Yeah good or bad is subjective depending on perspective. I think killing a bad guy would be more effective in the end

[stuck epoch]

then again what is a bad person?

someone who does bad yes

but more specifically

like a killer? but in that case you would also be a killer once you kill a bad guy no? that would mean you should be killed as well and so on and so on

but if killing a bad guy is not something bad (tho that doesnt really make sense as killing is still killing regardless of the reason) who says the "bad guy" who killed didnt also kill a bad guy

[tiny lance]

That’s why it depends on perspective. The person who kills the killer might be bad to one person (because killing is killing) and a hero to someone else because they possibly saved a lot of people by doing it

You can also say theres a difference between hurting innocent people and murderers ofcourse

[stuck epoch]

is there tho?

and what is an innocent person? someone unrelated. and those kinda people mostly dont get harmed by "bad people"

and the times they do thats just them being unlucky (and ofc from the perspective we talking bout) bad

so if you pick a person who has no relation to you and another two persons you pick (and those two people also dont have any relation to each other and you) and for one person to hurt one and the third to hinder the person hurting but only allow the person hindering to use crucio or youll kill them all that would be a "good" intention use of crucio

assuming crucio would even work as there has to be some intent in it and that intent would be "bad"

[idle salmon]

If they enjoy hurting ppl

Like they cherish & relish putting someone thru pain

[stuck epoch]

that would mean that a person who doesnt enjoy it but still does it is not a bad person no?

enjoy killing=bad person
doesnt enjoy killing=not a bad person

going by that

[stuck epoch]

while still killing ofc

[viral badger]

This is getting off topic guys.

[ancient lark]

Why specifically Hufflepuff?

[ancient lark]

And also btw the point I was trying to drive was that evil doesn’t really exist

[idle salmon]

Stereotypes lol

[idle salmon]

Everything is subjective argument?
Like they did in Jurassic world?
To a worm a bird is a monster,
To a bird a cat is a monster?

[viral badger]

Alright guys seriously let's get back on topic

[idle salmon]

Doesn't enjoy & doesn't want to but does it to protect themselves or protect someone else

[stuck epoch]

nono just does it for no deeper reason in particular

[ancient lark]

Somewhat yes you can argue that

[idle salmon]

We always dealt with threats
And I wouldn't consider that Evil
That's just looking after ourselves

[idle salmon]

We're talking about houses right?

Oh wait no it's Magic, oh well

[stuck epoch]

was talking about the meaning of good and bad and how its related to dark and light magic

[idle salmon]

What's the most powerful spell in both of them?

[stuck epoch]

probably the one grindelwald casted

the blue fiendfire one

Protego Diabolica

also depending on the definition of powerful

[stuck epoch]

but probably this for most

[worthy trench]

what we discussing?

GG's fire compared to what?

Fiendfyre?

Can't judge what's more powerful but I would say based on what movie shows, PD is given it could have destroyed all of Paris is unchecked and could spawn more fire forms at once and could used to discern loyalty or not in people for you

[stuck epoch]

to every magic

[worthy trench]

i mean offensively its not as powerful as AK which just straight up kills if thats what ur going for though its area of effect is far greater at the same time

thus you can kill more in one use of it

if ur going for that

the spell can also be stopped by a strong enough finite

AK cannot be stopped by any spell unless ur spell stream intercepts it but it won't counter it or nulify it directly

and PD can probably by a strong enough magic shield

AK cannot

[stuck epoch]

thats why i asked this

[idle salmon]

So light magic is more like a force of nature
And dark Magic is more of a weapon

[stuck epoch]

not really

diffindo is also light magic (the cutting charm) and it was invented for cutting cloth paper etc but can be used for attacking as well

light magic is pretty much all magic besides curses

even jinx

[brave echo]

Using crucio still makes you a dark wizard

[brave echo]

How much damage does it do ? Is it like a paper cut or a deep cut

[stiff patrol]

if I'm not mistaken it can kill

[idle cypress]

depends on the force behind it when it’s casted i believe

[brave echo]

So it is another avada kevadra spell

[vivid owl]

Most spells can kill if used in the right way.

It just matters how creative you are

[stiff patrol]

I wouldn't really go that far the unforgivable curses don't really have any equals

[tiny lance]

It’s funny how incendio= burning people and they’re like this is not a bad spell

[rugged stream]

Dark curses are about intent and magical power. You need to really want to hurt someone to use a spell like Crucio. Also, it's a torture spell, so yeah, you can kill someone with it or at least make them loose their minds (like what happened to Neville's parents)

[rugged stream]

Incendio was not designed specifically to burn people. It's just a fire spell. If you use it against someone, I'm sure most wizards would not be happy with you.

[stuck epoch]

Its like a scissor

A smaller and weaker sectumsempra

[worthy trench]

For the most part, magic is entirely neutral and its morality is entirely on the user's intent behind using it

The 3 Unforgivable spells were made with evil, selfish intent as far as I'm aware.

Like the AK was I read made to end duels quickly I assume by dark wizards

Its not likely a morally good person would invent those 3 spells

I doubt JK had such a person in mind as the inventors by our standards

[upper heath]

With that logic harry became a dark wizard

[ancient lark]

That’s a good point

[worthy trench]

If used it briefly in anger cos someone tortured ur friend or loved one, it does not.

HP used it twice and he was angry for very good reasons

and it only worked the 2nd time

its not like hes goin around casually torturing people for fun

for sadistic pleasure

so he's not a dark wizard by any logical metric

or rationale

[brave echo]

When did harry use crucio ?

[upper heath]

on bellatix first in the 5th book after she killed sirius and then again in the 7th book to get his revenge. harry also used the imperius curse afew times in the 7th book do. but does this make him a bad wizard? (harry never used avada kedavra though so.)

[brave echo]

Was this shown in the movies ?

[umbral mortar]

Harry using it on bellatrix was shown in ootp. Him using it on Amycus Carrow wasn't shown in films

[upper heath]

r u saying you've ONLY watched the movies? im not sure it was. could be wrong i havent watched the last 4 movies in afew years

[brave echo]

Yes , I have only watched the movies. I didn't have time to read the books so ..

[upper heath]

plz read the books you'll learn much more

[brave echo]

Is there more story arc in the books that is not shown in the movies ?

[upper heath]

duh

[worthy trench]

Books have alot more than in the movies. Movies can't put everything in them

[brave echo]

There are four types of harry Potter fans
1 Watched only the movies
2 Read only the books
3 Knows both books and movies
4 Read harry Potter from a fandom website.

Iam the first lol.

[worthy trench]

Ya can get the info from books from HP wiki or HP Lexicon if you don't have time to read books

[brave echo]

I really want to read the books but not getting time. I will try reading them

[brave echo]

Alright , I will read them

[worthy trench]

Take ur time

[upper heath]

plz do

[brave echo]

Are there books for fantastic beasts too ?

[upper heath]

no just movies that everybody thinks are crap

[brave echo]

In the showcase , there was a mention of gobstones. What are they ?

[upper heath]

its a wizarding game that i think is like marbles dont take my word for it. theres exploding ones in the books tho

[brave echo]

Are there any other weird Hogwarts books that is mentioned in the books other than the monster book shown in the prisoner of Azkaban movie ?

[stuck epoch]

it is like marbles but the loser will get sprayed with water (like she explained)

[upper heath]

invisible book of invisiblity, a death omens book, theres probably more that werent mentioned

[brave echo]

It would be cool if we had minigames like wizards chess or this one in the game

[upper heath]

you should go to harry potter world. last i checked they had the sweets hogwarts (the one i've been to is hogsmead) and wizard chess. all irl

[stuck epoch]

they did say that they wanted do implement it but didnt have the time/whatever so maybe in the future they will

[upper heath]

yeah maybe in an update or something

[brave echo]

How can wizards chess be irl ?

[upper heath]

it doesnt move but you get the pieces and board

[brave echo]

Of course. I assumed it did.

[upper heath]

k

[stuck epoch]

so regular chess?

[upper heath]

essentially

it just looks cool

[brave echo]

Is it a magnetic board ?

[upper heath]

idk i dont have one

[brave echo]

All these minigames would be good in multiplayer. I would play wizards chess for hours.

[upper heath]

😂

means you could beat me in chess anytime

[brave echo]

Lol

[void garden]

There is a book called fantastic beasts and where to find them, that gives pictures and descriptions for the creatures

[fallow parcel]

I have a lore question

If students go to hogwarts at 11 years old, where does the muggle government think that they go for schooling?

[stuck epoch]

well boarding school

probably

[random moon]

Yeah pretty sure that the Prime Minister must know that they go to a magical school, but on official paperwork/records they’re at some obscure boarding school

And those records are probably also enchanted so folks don’t go digging/aren’t interested in investigating

[terse kraken]

Do you think the Royal Family also knows about the Wizarding World

[sand shell]

i feel as if the government knows of the wizarding world because they rely on them for protection from all sorts of supernatural threats

so they do something like what the us government did with the NSA

the NSA was founded in 1952 as a classified government organization to protect against cybersecurity threats, but it wasn't publicly revealed until 1975

so the royal family and the parliament keep tabs on hogwarts and relevant organizations, but they keep this information under intensely close watch

[random moon]

Not so much that they keep tabs… more like the Ministry of Magic update then on important things that may end up involving them or spilling over into the Muggle world.

It’s impossible for Muggle governments to keep tabs on them because of magic. They’re just told stuff on rare occasions

[sand shell]

This also sounds reasonable.

The thing that bugs me the most about this situation is the intense power dynamic at play here. Wizards are immensely more powerful than Muggles, heck, a few kids could wave around their wooden sticks, say some funny words, and immobilize entire armies. I think worldwide, governments know full well that Wizards could take them over with ease if they wanted to.

[random moon]

I think only the absolute highest members of governments know and are sworn to secrecy, possibly even with magic. But not the entirety of a government would know.

[sand shell]

Yeah, I could definitely see that happening

[stuck epoch]

Thats the reason why i don’t understand why the ww is so secretive about themselves

[random moon]

Because the last time the WW and Muggle world were one, muggles hunted magical folk. Even children.

And magical folk used to Muggle bait, possibly even Muggle hunt

There’s a history of violence on both sides. It could easily spark again. Fear can make people do awful things and muggles would be terrified. Muggles have very dangerous weapons. Attacks from one side would cause retaliation from the other

Muggles have come a long way Wheaton’s wise from pitchfork and pyres.

[worthy trench]

Muggles were killing wizards and magical beasts back in the middle ages and no, not all wizards and witches escaped that despite hermione's claims

many were killed

nowadays they can kil them much easier and on a far larger scale in one go

magical population is far too small to takeover the world

[random moon]

Kids too.

I ven muggleborn kids. Children often can’t control their magic and if a kid accidentally did magic, they pull be found and killed

It’s a big reason why Salazar went so extreme with his whole muggleborn fears, he was scared muggleborn could report back to witch hunters and they could attack the school and all the other students under their care

[worthy trench]

I actually think the witch hunts didn't really kick in until the times after his death though i imagine their was prosicuations of magicals in his time

It was distrusted even before his time

Something must have happened either to him or his family or he was simply raised with the distrust and prejudice built into him by his family

Ironically, his potential student Merlin became a champion of muggle-wizard relations and tolerance

and arguably the greatest wizard ever

[modern moth]

Possibly! An ancestor of Lucius Malfoy was set to marry Queen Elizabeth I but she didn’t go through with it

Anne Boleyn was also stated to be a witch

[vivid owl]

The lore itself doesn't support this with how much interaction we get between magical families and their non-magical rulers.

Plus what about large parts of Africa or South East Asia where the idea of magic has pretty much always been seen as a good thing.

[vivid owl]

Indeed, for most places in Europe, the witch hunts started around the late 1200s and finished around the 1670s or so.

Certainly the height of them was in the middle of the 1600s.

[brave echo]

How do muggleborn families send thier kids to Hogwarts as a 11 year old.

[merry cosmos]

I reckon its a regular place but it's been magically protected from outsiders. Then again you could consider such hidden places to exist in a parallel dimension

[stuck epoch]

Thats cause they were to soft on us how bout they just kill those how hunt them

[stuck epoch]

They get a letter as everyone else does and someone from hogwarts comes to them to explain everything (it was hagrid for a while but they changed the designated person after the war iirc)

Same place they were before just like in the beast movies with the American ministry of magic

The same place did

Its the same place just not accessible/visible for muggles

[brave echo]

Harry and Ron went in a flying car with the train so it's in the same dimension.

[stuck epoch]

Same place as in they are still at the same universe planet and place (like going through the wall at the trainstation means you are still at the trainstation)

[brave echo]

But why can't any muggles see that they are going through a wall. Not even the officer who is always there saw it

[frank jewel]

There's spells that make things harder to notice if I remember correctly, like when they see something weird it gets ignored, not investigated kind of thing.

[brave echo]

Iam sure thousands of people should have asked the officer "Where is platform 9 3/4 ?" .
Shouldn't he be suspicious or curious to know what's going on ?

[frank jewel]

I don't think a lot of people would ask, maybe some muggle families. But if it was me I would think it was an elaborate joke. It only happens once a year by a few people on this one specific day.

[brave echo]

Makes sense.

Is Kings Cross station the only station to Hogwarts or are there more stations on the way to pick students up ?

[frank jewel]

Likely the only one, since there's just one track on the station and all students arrive at the same time

[brave echo]

In that case then thousands of students are coming to Hogwarts at the same time.
Even if muggles can't see students going through the wall. It would be weird for a muggle to see why so many students are lined up to run between platforms 9 and 10.

[frank jewel]

It's more like 300 - 500 I think, and sure, if they all arrived at exactly the same time it might be suspicious, but people would be arriving at different times as some people like to be early and some people don't

[brave echo]

300 - 500 is less considering students from first year to final year have to board the same train.

[frank jewel]

yeah but looking at Harry's year, there's like what, 5 boys? Harry, Ron, Neville, Dean and Seamus. Maybe I'm forgetting someone. But if 5 is the 'standard' then 10 students per house per year. so 10 * 4 * 7, which would be 280 total students.

• some parents and siblings seeing the students off I guess

but it's also Kings Cross, so I would think it is always booming with people, so if anything it would just seem like an extra busy day

[brave echo]

Yeah that's 5 from Gryffindor. Malfoy , crabb and goyle were there as well.

[stuck epoch]

Thats one thing i also don’t understand maybe the magic is also around the area and not only on the wall? Tho humans in general are not that perceptive so only a very small fraction would even somewhat notice

[brave echo]

Yeah , that makes sense. Thanks

Was the bus from prisoner of Azkaban invisible to muggles ?

[frank jewel]

Yes I think so

[stuck epoch]

Besides the times it was going to fast to see yes

[merry cosmos]

technically yes, although stan implied that if muggles were to look harder they might be able to see the bus

In general when magic is explained in the books it is said to be there and be visible to muggles but they just dont look hard enough. So while the pillar at kings cross exists and is solid to those who only see it as a solid wall, its also the port to the hogwarts express.

And just like with enchanted tents that have been magically made bigger, the space inside the tent is still in the tent - magic therefore breaks laws of physics and could be argued to take you to an alternate reality but i reckon its not reasonable to attempt to explain magic with muggle science when it doesnt comply with the rules

[subtle olive]

Well she established muggle technology - built by science - particularly electronic devices, go haywire around concentrated magic (Hermione explained this concerning Rita Skeeter's spying techniques). It would also explain why even the Ford Anglia crapped out and likely only came to life after getting flattened by the Whomping Willow thanks to all the enchantments Arthur put on it.

Muggle tech reeeeally doesn't mix well with Magic and it seems the more complex it is, the worse it gets.

[brave echo]

I thought the car came to life when the car came close to the invisible wall surrounding Hogwarts that protects it from the outside world. It started acting bonkers the minute they entered it.
Or did the car came to life after the encounter with whomping Willow ?

[merry cosmos]

the car "developed its independent actions and feelings" after it got slapped by the branches

[brave echo]

Then why was the car acting crazy before and headed straight for whomping Willow ?

[merry cosmos]

as @subtle olive explained, it might have something to do with muggle technology entering a magically busy place and therefore malfunctioning

[brave echo]

And what happened to the car after chamber of secrets ?
We don't know what happened to it in the end.

[merry cosmos]

I personally believe if continued living in the forbidden forest

Since after it saved harry and ron, it went back there

[brave echo]

Does it have unlimited fuel or is that magic as well ?

[merry cosmos]

I reckon it's now being powered by magic until Mr. Weasley dies

just like the fish lily gave slughorn

I could be wrong but that is my theory ^^

[brave echo]

What fish ?

[merry cosmos]

When Lily Evans was at Hogwarts she enchanted a Lily flower to turn into a fish and gave it as a gift to professor Slughorn. The day Lily died Prof. Slughorn discovered the fish had gone. (Slughorn explained this to Harry in Hagrid's hut when Harry attempted (and succeeded) to retrieve the crucial memory from him

in Book 6 (Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince)

Also the same thing with magic disappearing happened at the highest tower when Dumbledore died and the spell on Harry ended

[brave echo]

Very interesting.

[brave echo]

The books really have a lot of story that the movies didn't show

Iam glad to know that the car is still alive now that I know that mr Weasley is still alive in the end of the movies.

[subtle olive]

the latter. It died and then came alive JUST as it was about to get crunched

[merry cosmos]

The movies were amazing to see the magic but the story got really tangled and sometimes completely left out or entirely changed to fit the limited screen time

really unfortunate in my opinion. I feel like it would be great to get a complete animated story from it where everything from the books is included

[brave echo]

After reading the books , do you think that Ron and Hermione were meant to be together ?
I still think Hermione should have gone with Harry.

I still can't believe the ending

[merry cosmos]

I believe Ron and Hermione were meant to be together. When Harry and Hermione were spending time together without Ron, Harry always felt like "it wasn't the same as Ron" and how he "rather have his best friend next to him". Harry never viewed Hermione as anything other than a friend or a sister. Ron however begun to like Hermione quite early on, even tho they started off being annoyed at each other. Ron appreciated and loved Hermione's intellect and ability to remember pretty much anything. Hermione in return felt appreciated by him in contrast to everyone else viewing her as just an annoying "know-it-all". The chemistry between Ron and Hermione had potential for romance while Harry and Hermione were completely platonic friends.

Not to mention how Harry and Ginny had the hots for one another

[true gull]

agreed

[merry cosmos]

It makes sense that Ron and Hermione are a couple and that Harry and Ginny ended up together when Ginny had always appreciated and admired Harry and therefore never tried to stop him from risking his life to fight the Dark Lord. Harry was mentioned thinking in the books that "maybe the reason he liked Ginny so much was because she was different in many ways" - for example she rarely cried in front of people and was tough and funny

[true gull]

whats everyones favourite character

[merry cosmos]

Hard to choose just one

I relate the most to Luna
Have a crush on Sirius
Appreciate Neville the most
Simp for Snape
Love Hagrid to death

[brave echo]

Ginny in the movies was meh in my opinion. She didn't have that much personality throughout her story arc and it was never shown that she played quidditch and she is suddenly on the quidditch trials in the half blood prince . She was only added to the plot during the half blood prince storyline.

[glossy pine]

Probably hermione

[tardy narwhal]

Newt

[merry cosmos]

yeah - thats the problem with turning hundreds of hours of story into a tiny movie saga

she was portrayed way nicer in the books. I like the book version Ginny soooo much. Slightly tomboyish of a personality plus amazing character and looks

[glossy pine]

Still deciding whether or not I should read the books

As long as there is enough material in there that differentiates the books and films

[tardy narwhal]

I think you should, it would make you appreciate the game more imo

[brave echo]

There is . @merry cosmos just said that there is 100 hours worth of material in the books.

[glossy pine]

Wow thats good

Like more action stuff or more between the relationships of the characters?

[tardy narwhal]

There are some interactions yes, but also a better description of places
I think it's worth it

You can't put everything into a movie after all

[glossy pine]

That is true

I wonder which book has the most stuff that wasn't included in its film

[brave echo]

Maybe it could have worked if they did it as a TV show. Probably 10 seasons would cover everything

[glossy pine]

Bigger than game of thrones??

[brave echo]

If there is enough material then sure.

I would watch it

[errant lodge]

It would be hard to make as a tv show, considering the time passing between the filming of each seasons on a normal basis (around a year between each), actors would become too old to stay in character

[true gull]

yep

i love the movies in a seperate way to the books

like truly the movies have changed my life but the books were incredible to get extra content

[true gull]

good choices, id say my favourite will always be severus

[brave echo]

It would take a year or two for movies as well. Some harry Potter movies came out 2 years after the prequel. So it wouldn't make much of a difference

[errant lodge]

yeah, I meant it on the argument of a lot of seasons (just saw you changed you're message, I remember you wrote more than 10 at first ? Or am I wrong ? 😬), they would probably have to go at 7/8 seasons at most

[brave echo]

I wrote 20 at first considering that there was more than 100 hours of book material that they could take lol.

20 is a bit too much 😄

[errant lodge]

yeah, I was just reacting to the 20 ^^

[merry cosmos]

My bestie loves Severus sooo much. I got her a statue of him for last Christmas ^^ She also got herself some potions stickers :D

I feel like you guys would get along well :3

[brave echo]

By statue , do you mean a diorama ?

[merry cosmos]

I mean a 20cm tall realistic mini statue of Snape :3

[brave echo]

You have a photo ?

[merry cosmos]

Sent it to you ^^

[brave echo]

Thanks , it looks cool

[stuck epoch]

the ministry was already kinda in voldys hands at the time dumbledore died so how would one get a time turner

and hermione was a very special case and only was able to get one due to minerva prior job in the ministry

[merry cosmos]

Dumbledore meant to die. He didn't want Draco to split his soul and neither did he want the Elder Wand to continue overpowering all other wands. He wanted its power to die with him because then he wouldnt die defeated. He arranged his death willingly with Snape

But yeah time turners are tricky. I believe Hermione was such a good and honest student in their eyes that it was okay to lend her one. However corruption and the turners ending in wrong hands is a scary idea.

On the other hand if you look at the Department of Mysterie, you'll find lots of dangerous things beside just time turners. To mention a few: Room full of Love (the most powerful thing in there), Archway of death and a Room of profecies. So it would make sense that they also have time meddling things in there

[frank jewel]

Except everything done with the time turner happens the first time around, so if something happens, you can't change it

[merry cosmos]

Funny thing time innit :D

[frank jewel]

At least this was the case in the original series, Cursed Child kind of ruins this limitation though

[random moon]

And time turners can only be safely used to go back 5 hours max

Any longer and you risk immense danger to yourself and others.

Like un births and time going all wonky

[worthy trench]

Well the Love Room only contains Amortentia - useless for discovering how Love affects Magic

Death room - yah thats fatal if you go through the archway. Otherwise its safe

Time room - that's legit dangerous

[random moon]

There was only one created without the limitations (somehow?) by a guy hired by Malfoy specifically to make that, and a prototype that had limitations still.

It wasn’t an official model.

Plus Cursed Child and it’s lore is very heavily criticised by fans. Lots don’t consider it canon because of all the lore it breaks and retweaks

[worthy trench]

Prophecy room - the orbs are useless to anyone who isn't in the prophecy and even those who are in the prophecy potentiaoly

and can't even be taken by anyone but the person/s in the prophecy

so how they study the prophecies are beyond me

Was malfoy tryna revive his wife?

[frank jewel]

Cursed Child breaks canon, so I wouldn't really consider anything from it, 'real'

[worthy trench]

Cos thats the only reason he'd have a time turner made by then

[random moon]

Because the original time turners were made and owned by the ministry and not just something anyone could make safely or something just anyone could own

[worthy trench]

Question - would a house elf obey its master if the master told the elf to only obey someone else from that point on?

Like would it disobey or refuse the master after that point if they tried to give an order after that

[random moon]

Probably? That’s probably how buying a house elf works

The original owner (a house elf breeder) gives ownership to the one buying the elf

[frank jewel]

Kind of, if the master ever called for the elf, he would have to come back

[random moon]

Because time travel is incredibly dangerous and one wrong move could cause devastation.

Plus time is a loop when it comes to time travel

[frank jewel]

Because they can't change anything

For the third book I thought it worked really well

[random moon]

Minera used her connections at the Ministry to have one loaned for Hermione to use for her studies as that’s much more low risk than trying to change he past. Hermione was just using it to give herself more time to learn and take other classes.

Plus Hermione is responsible and Minerva knew that. Minerva also promised to take full responsibility if anything went wrong

[frank jewel]

Student endangerment has never stopped them, has it

[worthy trench]

The time travel device being given to a student is no matter how responsible they are, stupidly dangerous

[frank jewel]

Literally shoved giant three headed dog into the school

let an underage compete in the magical deadly tournament

[random moon]

I mean, I’m my highshool for physics our teacher was loaned a small collection of mildly radioactive materials while we were learning about radiation.

And I’m talking very low level, the equivalent of an x ray at best. But enough to see how a Geiger counter responded to each one

[worthy trench]

and this is the same girl who tried to help stop LV get the stone instead of the logical thing, contact AD

with an owl

heck the teachers are at fault for that

they should have listened once HP told them he knew bout the stone

and it was in hogwarts

[random moon]

gestures wildly at the Triwizard Tournament

Student safety has always been tenuous at best in the WW lol

[worthy trench]

cos it meant someone in the school who is trusted with the knowledge breached the secrecy of it

[frank jewel]

They should and could have, but then the books wouldn't be fun would they

if they stopped any opportunity for adventure and mystery the books wouldn't be interesting or fun at all

[worthy trench]

Yah its needed for the plot

Like if this happened in reality, mcgonnagall is so fired and thrown in jail

Oh for 3?

Im talkin PS

[frank jewel]

I think the time turner worked really well with the limitations of the third book. Nothing that happened could be undone, and you couldn't go too far back anyway

I don't see how they would be that dangerous

[worthy trench]

the plot in 3 needed the time device to resolve by that point since buckbeck was dead they thought and to ensure black escaped as in the previous loop

time turner - one f up, omg time and space is in bits

elder wand - u can snap it in half

[random moon]

They’re only dangerous is you don’t know how to use them properly.

[worthy trench]

even then its dangerous

cos you are dealin with a force outside ur full control

[random moon]

Or safely

[worthy trench]

time is not a construct even magic can fully control and manipulate

[frank jewel]

Like I said, you can't change anything while using it. Yeah you can mess up, and see yourself and think you're gone crazy and if you really mess up do some damage. But that damage would be done immediately anyway. If you go back in time, you know for sure that nothing can be ruined, because it hasn't been ruined until that point.

[worthy trench]

death time space are not within the power of magic to fully bend to its whim. with death, its not possible at all

honestly i wouldn;'t go crazy seeing my future self

i'd be confused and mind blown for sure

then i'd askig questions

[frank jewel]

That's literally how it works in the book. It's a closed loop, nothing can change.

[worthy trench]

I think the time loop requires hp and co failing to save buckbeak to give them the impetus to time travel back in time to save him in the first loop

then they close it in the second loop

[frank jewel]

If it wasn't a closed loop then harry would have 'died' the first time he got attacked by all the dementors, because he would have gone back to save himself yet.

but because it is a closed loop, everything that has happened, will happen again, exactly the same

[random moon]

Only with how time travel works in HP, that wouldn’t work. If you lost a battle then went back in time to win it, you’d create a paradox that time would have to correct.

Because if you make it so you won a duel you lost, how can you then go back to win it, if you never lost in the first place?

[frank jewel]

You can not change anything, because what you changed, already happened the first time.

[worthy trench]

the loop can happen before dementors attck him at lake

that happens after they save him from the tower

in the first and second loop

the origin of the loops would be failing to save buckbeak and when black is in the tower

and hp and co never go to the tower and just do the time travel

[random moon]

If you were meant to travel back and not lose a duel, then you won’t have lost it in the first place.

Because time is a loop.

[frank jewel]

The loop always exists, as there will always be two Harry's during the time between the trio going down to hagrid and and them going back in time.

That assumes you know it was fixed

you can't be seen by yourself, so anything you do while back in time won't be noticed by yourself

Well the choice of you doing it is what would have fixed it, so if you don't do it, it won't be fixed.

So you would do it

Yeah, but it is a closed loop, if you went back in time, then decided not to go back in time, then there would forever be two of you in the same timeline

you can't not go back in time if you have gone back in time

since it is a loop

It's only already done if you choose to go back in time

The time loop makes it all work for me, I'm not a fan of how they did it in Cursed Child, but I have absolutely no problem with how they did it in PoA

[tiny lance]

So basically people in HP have determined faiths?

[frank jewel]

If something has happened, then it will always happen

[sick night]

Did Voldemort's birth name become more known among the Wizarding communities after he was finally killed?

[frank jewel]

Since what you change when you go back in time, happens the first time

[tiny lance]

Yeah because it was decided they went back in time before they actually did it

If they don’t do it, it will create a paradox because that would mean it wouldn’t have happened

But they can’t because it’s indeed predetermined

[frank jewel]

It makes it really clear to me. You kind of can't choose not to go back in time, because you've already done it. But also, if we entertain the idea that you don't go back, then you would have two versions of yourself at the same time, forever.

Which part

No, it's not. The fact that you are two people at the same time, means you have already done it.

If you didn't do it, then how are there two of you

This is literally what harry says. 'I knew I could do it, because I had already done it'

But it is at the same time, yes it is in your current future. But the fact that your current future is here, means you did do it, so you will do it as well. Which means you did do it, and that you will do it.

But he will, and he can't change that, because if he did, he wouldn't have been there. So whether he knows it or not, he will do it.

So he has done it, but he hasn't

Both

Because his future self is in the past

so he must have done it

Yeah I know, but if your past self, sees your future self, then that means that you have time travelled

You haven't actually time travelled, but the fact that you have is now locked and you can't not do it, so you have done it at the same time, because you can't change that fact.

Like I said, it's both. You have not literally done it, but you also have done it, because you can't change the fact that you will.

You haven't, but you have.

Yeah, but because you will, and you can't change the fact that you will, it means you have done it. Nothing in the world can change the fact that this will happen, so it is 'done'. So you have

It absolutely does mean that

Yes, because it is locked.

I'm not. I'm just thinking with time travel

I'm claiming he hasn't travelled in time literally, but he has time travelled, because he can no longer change the fact that he will.

Yes and no, like I've said so many times at this point

[dusk cloud]

So excited

[worthy trench]

Was the closed loop always destined to happen though. Cos if there;s no origin to the loop outside the loop then what does that mean for the concept of time at large in the universe. Is it fixed and predetermined or not

[frank jewel]

There is no origin, as it always happens. And you can't break it for the same reason.

[worthy trench]

Like if there has to be a version were buckbeak legit dies so have a reason to go back and then create the first loop in the book

[worthy trench]

that makes no sense linearily. That implies time for everyone is fixed. but CC contradicts that as does pottermore

[frank jewel]

If such a version exists where buckbeak dies, it means Harry and Hermione didn't go back in time. Which means Harry can't save himself from the Dementors, which means Harry also dies, which means they can never go back in time to save themselves

[worthy trench]

if the loop kept happening always, HP would never get out of year 3

[frank jewel]

So there can't be an origin

[random moon]

CC contradicts a lot of things. It had several writers.

It also completely breaks already established lore and introduces a Voldy child out of nowhere.

[worthy trench]

Im thinkin JK shouldn't have done the time travel

[frank jewel]

But remember when he goes back in time he disappears from 'world', so unless he makes it all the way back to that point he would disappear forever

[worthy trench]

Cos it can't be made to make sense linearlily

[frank jewel]

so yes technically harry is in a forever loop, but not his own self

[worthy trench]

from a cosmic pov

well sucks to be very version of him i guess

and everyone i guess

since some version is stuck in a loop

and non-existent by its end point

[frank jewel]

I definitely can. I am acknowledging that for current Harry the time travel will happen in the future. Which is why 'no' he hasn't time travelled yet. But I am also saying that because his future self is time travelling, he will time travel in the future. Which means 'it is done'. Its the same as someone asking me to do something and my response is 'it is done', because I am saying that I 100% will do it. So he hasn't travelled through time, but he has at the same time, because he will always do it.

[frank jewel]

No version of him is stuck in a loop, every version of him just goes through the same loop, this is why it is called a loop, right

I have said 'yes and no' every time

[worthy trench]

I know why its a loop. Its the fact they make no sense from a linear pov that annoys me

obviously cos i can only percieve time one way

linearly

and i can't percieve non-linearly time

[frank jewel]

Harry is never stuck in the loop so to speak, he always escapes it

[worthy trench]

and yet it will happen again

forever

or until the universe dies

[frank jewel]

To the 'other' harry, yes

[worthy trench]

apparently

[frank jewel]

but he will also escape, but his other harry will go through the same loop

[worthy trench]

sucks to the other harry then

[frank jewel]

and so on

That's literally the loop part of it, you go back, and then you go forwards

[worthy trench]

so the universe decided this random guy is gonna go through a time loop when it began i guess

and the girl too

and i guess everyone else technically

[worthy trench]

yah universe what was the purpose behind that

why do that

i hate time travel

[frank jewel]

I've never claimed that

[worthy trench]

i get what ur saying

but i hate time travel

[frank jewel]

Harry is only locked into his time travelling fate once his future self exists in his timeline

[worthy trench]

time travel and paradoxes hurt

why do i even enter time travel convos

[frank jewel]

No, I've said that once his future self exists in his timeline, then his 'current' self has time travelled.

but his future self is there, which means he will, so it is locked, so it is 'done', he hasn't done it, but at the same time, he has, cause he can no logner change the fact

No it is not

Harry as a baby does not have a future Harry in the current timeline, so his future is uncertain, unkown, undecided. But once a future harry exists in his timeline, then it is locked that he will time travel, so he has basically done it. It can't be changed. But if No future harry exists, then he can do whatever he wants, because his future is unknown

He does need the future Harry to be there, because if he's not it means he hasn't time travelled

Yes, but unless there is a future Harry in the current timeline, that future event is uncertain. But once he is there, he has time travelled.

'Current' harry has only time travelled when it intersects this second line

As I have said every time. It is both.

He will, and he has.

He literally hasn't, as I've said. But the fact that he will, is locked he can't change it. So it is done.

[vivid owl]

Amber doesn't seem to get the idea of a loop

It has to happen to complete the timeline or else everyone dies

If future Harry doesn't save his past self, then past Harry will be dead and future Harry can't exist

[frank jewel]

Because the fact that the future one exists, means the fact that he will is done. So he will do it, but he has also done it.

[vivid owl]

yeah

Basically he both has and hasn't done it.

Because he did travel back into the past, it becomes a fixed point in time, meaning that he has to do the things which lead up to the time-travel, even if he doesn't know he's doing them.

[worthy trench]

Ya can thank dumbledore for figuring it out.

He was smart to know time travel was happening as it happened

[frank jewel]

You seem to struggle with the idea that once something can't be changed, it is 'done'. It will happen, it can't be change. Once something can't be changed it is done. So NO Harry has not LITERALLY travelled through time yet, but he will 100%. So even though he hasn't done it, he has at the same time, because he can't change it.

[worthy trench]

how bout we leave time travel topic

[frank jewel]

But it is yes and no

You highlight that I said he literally hasn't, but then don't highlight where I said 'he has at the same time'

Which is literally my argument, it is both

[worthy trench]

Baically time in HP is cyclical from what i gather

[frank jewel]

but the one who did not, will do it, and can't change that, so he has done it at the same time

It's fine, we'll never agree on this

[worthy trench]

can we move on

any one got another topic

[random moon]

But he will and that’s locked in

I totally understand what Darkstar is saying and the graphic they used is even clearer

[frank jewel]

He hasn't, but he also has. Because that fact can't be changed. If i drop a bowling ball on my knee to break my leg. When I let go of that ball I have broken my leg, but I haven't literally broken my leg until the ball impacts, but the course is set, so the fact that I have let go of the ball, means I have broken my leg.

[random moon]

Dark said is was both

Which is correct.

They’re both the same Harry. And future Harry can’t be there without past Harry time travelling at some point. Meaning it’s already been done, and it’s going to happen.

It has both happened, and is yet to happen at the sane

[frank jewel]

It's fine, you will never understand or agree, so we can just move on. I can only repeat myself so many times.

I see it as a Yes and No, you don't. Simple as that

We don't have to agree, we just see things differently

If it can't be changed, then yeah it is done. It hasn't happened, but it is done.

because it wasn't done until you did it, but if you set a message to be sent in 10 minutes. Then you did send it, but it didn't get sent until 10 minutes later.

So it was done, but it wasn't 'done'

To you it doesn't, to me it does. 🤷‍♂️

Yeah I know you see it literally, and the no it isn't sent. But to me, the fact that it is unchangable, means that it is done.

We've been over this

Yeah, but the fact that it is on a timer, means you sent it

But once the timer runs out, the message automatically gets sent. So if you didn't send it when the timer started, then how did it get sent once the timer ran out

You both sent it, and didn't send it at the same time

We've been over this too, no it hasn't literally been sent, but you have sent it, because you are not doing anything else to it for it to be sent.

And you will disagree with this

but I do not

and we will do this forever

cause we are actually stuck in a time loop

So how does it get sent

yeah, but you didn't send it

but you did send it

Then it isn't 100% locked and you didn't send it

if it is 100% locked, then you did send it

We've been over this

I very much understand that things don't happen until they literally do, but I'm also saying that once you can't change something it is also done, it hasn't happend, but it is done. You don't see it that way, but I do. That's fine.

[sick night]

Is this ever explained?

I know post-CoS, more people became privy to the knowledge that Tom Riddle and Voldemort were the same person, but did it become more widespread after the war?

[frank jewel]

I would kind of assume so, I'm pretty sure Harry used his real name during their fight in the great hall when everyone was looking. So even if he didn't tell people directly I'm sure people would learn it through the stories witnesses would tell

[brave echo]

The devs confirmed that owlery is in the game and it looks very much alive. It's good that its part of the world but what part would owlery do in the game ?

[simple swift]

we have an owl post tab so they’ll be there for that, whatever owl mail may be

[brave echo]

But who will send us owl mail ?

[simple swift]

other characters, possible for quest lines or other things, it’s unsure yet but i’m interested to see it’s uses

[frank jewel]

It doesn't really have to do anything, the quidditch pitch is in the game, but we know quidditch isn't playable. But it just helps flesh out the world, and gives more opportunities for potential quests. Like someone asking you to send a letter for them, or whatever. Your imagination is the limit really

But it just needs to be there, because it is part of the world

[brave echo]

True

[turbid obsidian]

probably similar to what cp2077 did

[brave echo]

There was an owl post section in the ui. Maybe that would have something to do with the owlery.

[brave echo]

What did cp77 do ?

[turbid obsidian]

you could get texts from other characters, they added a little personality to the characters

some quests also started with you getting texts so perhaps that's also a thing

[brave echo]

Like getting phone calls and messages in GTA 5 ?

[turbid obsidian]

yes, like that

[frank jewel]

Maybe, but I think Owl Post will be something not directly related to the Owlery. Since we get the post in the school. If I were to guess then Owl Post would just be a way to keep up with stuff that happened outside of the school, in terms of the goblin rebellions and whatnot. Just like Ranrok was on the front page of the daily prophet, I have a feeling the owl post will be daily prophets that update you on something or other relating to the story. Similar to how radio stations will host a news segment after you do a story mission in gta

[turbid obsidian]

yeah kind of like that, getting mail from outside or other students seems like the way

the owl we saw in the gameplay overview is probably yours

[brave echo]

Interesting

So can we choose cats or toads if we wanted to ?

[turbid obsidian]

not confirmed

the owl might just be there as you unlock owl post

other pets have not been confirmed

there's a good chance the owl is your pet but doesn't have any function outside of being a glorified mailbox

[frank jewel]

I kind of doubt we have other choices, since owl posts seems to be something, and the fact that we capture and can keep magical creatures, they will more than likely act as our pets more than anything. So I don't see a reason to have a toad/cat/rat pet mechanic personally

[turbid obsidian]

very solid point

[brave echo]

Yeah I agree but toads and cats are part of Hogwarts as well.

[turbid obsidian]

it's not a hogwarts sim it's an action rpg so not everything will be in the game

[brave echo]

I don't know why they included toads as a pet in the lore tho. They are ugly and pretty much useless.

[frank jewel]

Probably just because Neville had one

[brave echo]

If done right , Cats could be used as a pet in the game for stealth missions. To spy on people or grab a something that is unreachable and what not.

[frank jewel]

I would definitely not expect any gameplay features with pets, if they were in the game.

You could send a cat to fetch a thing out of reach, or you could just use accio

What could a toad do though

Generally games want any mechanic to have a meaning to it, a reason for it to exist and ideally multiple use cases

[brave echo]

I was talking specifically about cats

[frank jewel]

Yeah but if they have implemented pets you would have to assume they have all the pets, if the mechanic is that you can bring pets with you on a mission or while exploring. So for this mechanic to be worth implementing every pet would need something that they could do, some function they could serve for the player. If you can't think of an application for the toad, then the application for the cat doesn't matter as the mechanic is now bare-bones and useless unless you happened to pick a specific option at the start of the game.

[hazy bloom]

The animals we rescue and go to the menagerie could be looked at as pets

[frank jewel]

Yeah, that's what I think too

[icy umbra]

They used a similar mechanic in the Lego Harry Potter games,where pets were used to navigate maze like pipe structures .. but I don't think ,that would be a mechanic in this game

They could be used as pets in the ROR ,to interact with etc but usage during quests of pets doesn't seem likely
However if we consider Hippogriffs & thestrals as pets,they might be used as shown in the trailer to travel the skies or to reach faraway quest objectives etc

[frank jewel]

We can definitely fly around with Hippogriffs, Thestrals and brooms

I think they will all serve the same 'mount' purpose of just getting around the world faster

Thestrals only if you get the deluxe edition I guess

[icy umbra]

But it's like a rabbit hole of discourse .. Hagrid would consider dragons as pets ..so it would be cool to call your "pet dragon" into battle
A seemlingly inpossible scenario though

[icy umbra]

Yes .. other than mounts ,the concept of pets would be to interact with the magical creatures we rescue from poachers etc

[frank jewel]

Yeah we can definitely do that, but I doubt they will serve a purpose outside of that

[icy umbra]

Agreed ,besides we cannot expect em to include every lil mechanic into the game
They said during the gameplay show that they mention or show some mechanics but they are not playable or interactable
Like gobstones,wizard chess,quidditch etc

Just hoping that the game does exceptionally well & we get this stuff added to the DLC or sequels

[snow harness]

Something's that always bothered me

In my mind every person has the ability in the wizarding world to kill or incapacitate another witch or wizard

So they basically are all carrying lethal weapons or if you want in this scenario you can look at them as guns

So why the hell do they run away from the death eaters when they attacked the world cup?

Like you have thousands of "citizens" all holding guns against barley any death eaters.

I know they have access to more advanced magic but avada would still go through anything

[flint garnet]

I waoukd assume because fear is more powerful then bravery

[snow harness]

I think in the book it said there were 100,000 people at the 1994 Quidditch World Cup so I would assume out of that many wizards there would still be enough willing to stand up to the death eaters

I am just thinking if a few gunman went into the Superbowl stadium and every fan was holding a gun in there hand they wouldn't stand a chance against that many people even if a fraction were brave enough to stand up to them

[flint garnet]

Ya its true there could have been some that could have stand up to the death eaters. Although you also have to think, who has the knowledge to wield a wand and cast their spell. You had all those people screaming and running away from the death eaters, the majority of the crowd was just running with the crowd. Because in reality most when one see someone running they think of the worst and run with them

[random moon]

To cast the killing curse you need to genuinely mean it. You need to fully intent to take another persons life and have no qualms about it.

People ran because Death Eaters are capable of that. More than capable some relish in it.

And there’s no defending yourself from the killing curse. They ran because they were genuinely afraid that the Death Eater were going to start mass murdering them and their children

[snow harness]

If I was under the impression they were willing to murder me or my family I would definitely have no qualms about killing them. I would hope most reasonable people under those circumstances wouldn't hesitate to do the same

[worthy trench]

Snape clearly had qualms with killing AD though and still managed it. Though he was doing it to spare him an agonizing death so that probably overpowered his qualms with it

[random moon]

Exactly. In the end it was a mercy killing. Not just killing for the fun of it, or for sport.

[stuck epoch]

imma be honest your wouldnt be able to (im 99.99% sure on that) not just cause you dont know how to cast the killing curse but also due to fear

(like 99% of humans on this earth me included)

[ancient lark]

Pretty sure a lot of humans are capable of harm if harm will or would be done to people they care about. Even murder

[stuck epoch]

yes

but if you are in a life threatening position your flight or fight response sets in and most humans are on the flight side

[ancient lark]

Not 99% tho

[stuck epoch]

95 at least

[ancient lark]

Nah that’s too much

[stuck epoch]

else there would be way more murder than there already is

[ancient lark]

Either way, someone you care about is gonna get hurt, I’m sure that bypasses the flight or fight

[stuck epoch]

no

you wont

[ancient lark]

No if people didn’t have empathy there would be more murder. I don’t think it’s as simple as that

Or had anger issues

[stuck epoch]

thats litarally a natural reflex you cant control normal refelxes how do you think you could control an natural one?

[stuck epoch]

well yes and more than 95% of humans have empathy

[ancient lark]

I understand it’s a natural reflex, but I think someone you deeply care about is about to be hurt you’ll definitely bypass it especially if you’re angry about it

[stuck epoch]

how many people do you think would do it then?

[ancient lark]

And you probably will be angry

[stuck epoch]

there is no way to bypass it

[ancient lark]

If no one had empathy?

[stuck epoch]

unles you have been in a position like that several times before

[stuck epoch]

? no

like now

in this kinda world

[ancient lark]

I think at least 40 would

[stuck epoch]

if no one had empathy there would be like 1000% the murder there is now but thats not what we talking about

[ancient lark]

But Im comparing it to that so because I don’t think the flight or fight is enough

[stuck epoch]

it you drop a cup and you flexibly try to catch it how well do you think you could fight that reflex?

then times 100 that reflex and think about how well you would do then

assuming you have the reflexes to even do that

[ancient lark]

Ok but my argument is that given the circumstances that a loved one is about to get hurt one would bypass it enough to do something about it

I know how reflexes work and how the lizard brain works too

[stuck epoch]

then the fight respond would set in but thats not nearly enough to really kill someone

for most

[ancient lark]

But 95 is too much of an exaggeration

[stuck epoch]

wouldnt say so

humans are rather timid

[ancient lark]

Why?

[ancient lark]

Not when provoked

[stuck epoch]

cause they didnt have the necessity to not be timid

[ancient lark]

I know a lot of people that would definitely harm if someone they cared about was harmed, yes to the point of murder

[stuck epoch]

for a few thousand years

[ancient lark]

What?

Yes they did

[stuck epoch]

to the timid one

[ancient lark]

Okay but that’s not most people that were timid a few thousand years back

[stuck epoch]

a few thousand years back no

but for a few thousand years most people have been timid due to them having no necessity not to be

at least for the last 5k years id say

[ancient lark]

If it has been going on for a few thousand years then it must be a few thousand years back

[stuck epoch]

yes

[ancient lark]

But that wasn’t most people

[stuck epoch]

but for a few thousand years and a few thousand years back is different

[stuck epoch]

besides the ones going to war and the ones living in rough areas of the world all had no necessity

[ancient lark]

The freeze, flight, or fight response is a reflex, yes, but like a lot of reflexes you can overcome them (not saying all). If someone pulled out a gun at you your first reflex would be to run, let’s say, but that doesn’t mean you will cause you can choose not to

[stuck epoch]

yes cause that would kill you

so the flight or fight wouldnt set in that directly

[ancient lark]

Not even that, MOST people had no necessity. That’s the thing you’re missing. Before the 20th century things were terrible. Terrible

[ancient lark]

My point is you can overcome them and a loved one being hurt is another way

[stuck epoch]

its the action of trying to stay alive so naturally doing the opposite wouldnt make it set in

[ancient lark]

Exactly that’s one way to overcome it

[stuck epoch]

yes

[ancient lark]

That’s my argument

[stuck epoch]

well no

its not overcoming it it its not even being really there

[ancient lark]

Reflexes are always there

[stuck epoch]

if someone pulls out a knive and threatens you and you choose not to run while your whole body screaming at you to run away that would be overcoming it (stupid to not run away if someone did that even if you "know" how to fight but for the example)

[stuck epoch]

and only come out when needed

or do you have a constant reflex to catch a cup when no one is falling?

[ancient lark]

And with enough of a push you can do that

[ancient lark]

I did not propose that

[stuck epoch]

most people wont be pushing enough

and many cant even push

[ancient lark]

People are incredibly empathetic. It’s enough of a push. You’re telling me if your parents were about to get killed, you wouldn’t even try to harm the attacker?

Even if you have the flight or freeze response it’s very likely you would

[stuck epoch]

depending on the situation but probably harm and then run away

[ancient lark]

Then you would have overcome the reflex

[stuck epoch]

but thats not a i would kill

[ancient lark]

What if you had to kill them then?

[stuck epoch]

no the reflex is still to run away its just to create a chance to

[stuck epoch]

i and my parents would probably die

[ancient lark]

You still harmed them, that’s not a flight response

You did it later, yes, but you dtill bypassed

[stuck epoch]

fight response then

[ancient lark]

Ok now we’re just running around in circles lol

[stuck epoch]

if i harm then i overcome the fight or flight response by doing the fight first?

then its the fight response

[ancient lark]

I don’t think that’s how it works

[stuck epoch]

i do

[ancient lark]

I think you have an inbuilt response for every scenario

[stuck epoch]

if you have a and b and its not b then it is a

[ancient lark]

Here’s the thing you just switched responses

[stuck epoch]

yes

[stuck epoch]

cause you said this

basically

if i were in a situation where i could get out with my parents and not harm i wouldnt harm

probably

[ancient lark]

No I just said you overcame flight. I didn’t add by extension you used the fight reflex

[stuck epoch]

and if i were in a situation i had to harm to get out (with a realistic chance) i would harm

probably

and if i were in a situation i had no realistic chance i would comply

[ancient lark]

Okay but your first thought would have been to run, because like you said you have the flight response, then later you would have chose not to

[stuck epoch]

i overcame it by not doing it first but using the other (fight) first

[ancient lark]

But that’s not how you were saying it worked at the start of the argument

We started off both agreeing you had an inbuilt response

That’s why you said 99.99 or at least 95 would have flight

[stuck epoch]

yes

[ancient lark]

So then I’m confused as to why now you’re changing stance

[stuck epoch]

in a situation where they can at least 95% would

[ancient lark]

By they can you mean survive?

[stuck epoch]

in a situation where they cant they wouldnt because again its a reflex to survive

[stuck epoch]

yes

if you chase a deer it will run if you corner it it will kick you

[ancient lark]

Well we both agree there I have no problem with that. The problem is that you’re saying that people can’t bypass the flight response in a situation where one of your loved ones is gonna get hurt

[stuck epoch]

same with most humans

[stuck epoch]

i think many wouldnt be able to

there is a good number that would be

[ancient lark]

More than 5% though

[stuck epoch]

would agree on the 40% you said but only in a situation where its necessary

[snow harness]

I have no problem killing somebody in order to protect my family or my own life. You may feel like you wouldn't be able to but I know I would and I stand by that and if somebody ever wants to try and see if I am bluffing they will find out real quick I am not. Fear causes running but if you feel like you can't run then you will definitely fight.

[stuck epoch]

yes but you could run

in this situation you could

[ancient lark]

And even more than if you can’t run. I think the fact that your family is threatened is enough to bypass the flight reflex

[stuck epoch]

and in a situation where you couldnt you would be done for anyways even if you fight back but thats off the point

[ancient lark]

Peacemaker how come I only see you chatting in lore?

[stuck epoch]

i also do in theories

[ancient lark]

Yes there too I’ve seen you

[stuck epoch]

but not in the hogwarts channel i feel like i lose brain cells there (often)

[ancient lark]

😆

Yes I’ve lost some there too and I’m new

[stuck epoch]

conversing with many people who are activ in there is nice and all but some are just no good (and also the daily questions you could find easier than this discord) just dont do it for me

[ancient lark]

I’ve seen some trolls which put me off but luckily haven’t seen any recently. I often check in there just to see if there’s any news about the game and stuff

[snow harness]

In this situation sure you could run but every person has the ability to kill the death eaters with an avada curse and the counter argument is that people wouldn't mean it enough when I strongly believe many people would mean it enough. These are people who are going to kill you if you let them and you are standing up to them. I would be very confident in my ability to cast the curse. That's just the most sure fire way but if you really don't want to kill them you could cast other ones but they are blockable.

[stuck epoch]

i have never been in a situation where i had the flight or fight set in so i cant say im 100% sure i would be able to kill or i wouldnt but i do believe 95% would just run away (me most likely included) cause its honestly saver than fighting people who have already murdered

fighting against killers is no good cause most of them dont hesitate while you would still hesitate (most people)

and many people are just not able to harm (not cause they are good or anything but cause they are to naive and "kind" (kind for lack of better word) for this world)

[snow harness]

Sometimes you just have to be brave. Obviously it's easier and safer to just run away but when you have the ability to stop them then I would find it hard to believe everyone just run. Once again it was said that 100,000 people attended the world Cup and even if just a fraction of people fought the death eaters they would stand no chance.... Also not to mention the golden trio and just straight up teenagers took on death eaters on multiple occasions so they obviously aren't so hard that the average wizard can't throw some shots at

[stuck epoch]

imma use a rl example cause it fits. the reasons why the nazis could do what they wanted and there were hardly and resistance was for a part cause they were very feared and citizens feared death to much to do anything

tho its only one of the many reasons

[stuck epoch]

(for the mods if you dont like this just delete it)

[candid girder]

what is the root of this debate about fight or flight?

lore wise, that is

[stuck epoch]

that you would fight the deatheaters rather than flee

or fight and kill

[candid girder]

but there only a small window of opportunity to fight them

before you are afflicted

[stuck epoch]

in the time voldy was most active (before he got done in by baby harry) the deatheaters would roam england "recruiting" and killing people and many fleed in fear of them

[candid girder]

if you are at their level, one could fight back

[stuck epoch]

only if you know and are able to use the killing curse

as there are no other ways to really fight back

the killing curse is not blockable and anything else you do is just stalling for time till they cast it on you

assuming you can even stall

[candid girder]

aye, but, I suppose the original question was how bold does one have to be to actually fight them

curse or not

[stuck epoch]

in reality they are not that strong just as strong as any normal wizard/witch would be but they can and will cast the killing curse without hesitation so that ups them by several levels

and to answer the question bold beyond death so non did

[flint garnet]

Dont forget all the so called security from the ministry of magic that was there.

[idle salmon]

I know a lot of fans shipped Hermione with Harry

But is he really missing out on much?

I mean he can still polyjuice Ginny to look like Hermione right?

[hollow marlin]

xD, i dont think that would slide with either hermione and ginny let alone ron

[idle salmon]

I think one of the reasons they didn't do that is, it would've been too obvious & also it would've her into a trophy for Harry for saving the school at the end.

It would've come off a cliche like
So the chosen one saves the day, scores the babe
And they have a bunch of kids & live happily ever after

So JKR ws like Sike! Ron gets hermione

[stone matrix]

Agreed. Harry was a “hero” in some ways but “just Harry” in others. He could have kept the elder wand but didn’t. Same for the stone.

Okay, Ginny is clever and beautiful etc but I do like how he doesn’t end up simply the most powerful guy with the most clever girl etc

And if Harry and Hermione have history… so do Ron and Hermione. And they always had a far more tense relationship, Harry didn’t care that she kissed Krum etc

I do also like how it means they are all one big family by the end of it. Wouldn’t have been the case for Harry and Hermione.

And the fact Ginny was always so shy around him… I think it was a great way to end it

[snow harness]

Question

Do you all believe that certain wizards are more powerful then others because of their natural born abilities or simply because they have knowledge and experience?

For example if Dumbledore cast a spell is it just more powerful or is it his knowledge and experience that makes him cast with more focus or better spells ect

I personally think it's the latter. I don't believe one witch or wizard is just more powerful based on their own natural born abilities but rather their knowledge and experience and maybe how easily it comes to them in the sense of reaction time and ect.

I just hear people say they are a more "powerful" wizard and it makes it seem like they just have more power when in reality I think they just are very knowledgeable and can use their experience to know when and what to cast to have the upper hand

Poll:

Born with natural power= 🏆

Become powerful via knowledge and experience= 🔥

[spiral summit]

A mix of both : 2️⃣

[snow harness]

Well obviously somebody can hone their skills with proper education but my argument is more about if you are born with it or if everyone starts out the same if you are a witch or wizard and it's the years of practice and education which makes the difference

[spiral summit]

I think it's like iq

You are born with a certain value but it's up to you to practice it

Some with lower value may or may not overcome you through hard work

But if you both invest as much work in it, you'll still be higher

[snow harness]

Well I think it's also important to point out there is a difference between knowledge and intelligence. Somebody may be very knowledgeable but not very intelligent. They may know things but not understand them full or how to use them to their fullest potential. The same goes for somebody who is intelligent but doesn't have knowledge. They have the ability to understand the material but when lacking it they fall short.

That kinda leads me into another point I wanted to bring up

I see a lot of people speak about Ravenclaw house like it's the "smart" house when in reality I don't think that's necessarily true

I don't think I am in Ravenclaw because I am smarter than everyone. That's not the reason nor do I believe it. I think Ravenclaws enjoy learning about the world around them and they value knowledge and exploration. They like to ask the question why instead of what. That doesn't necessarily make them smarter than others though because once again what is knowledge without intelligence. Just because you have information doesn't mean you comprehend it or know how to use it properly.

[stuck epoch]

there are some people who are more gifted in terms of understanding magic (no "pure" blood or not makes no difference) but the most important part in strength is the knowledge and experience

[stuck epoch]

knowledge in the sense of understanding

[flint garnet]

I dont know because lets take neville for example, that man was a wreck. And he would try his hardest

[timid bane]

Because it’s much safer to apparate you and your family out of there. And there were many wizards going after the death eaters, the trio encountered like 40 of them

[inland prawn]

💨💙💨

[olive swan]

Voldemort was a UK thing. I'd wager that most wizards didn't care too much about him. After all, it had very little effect on their life.

And with wizards being somewhat disconnected from reality. They could just leave for another city/country and be largely uneffected by Tom Riddle's shenanigans.

[idle salmon]

I hated that elder wand scene soo much
That was such an Idiotic thing to do

He should've kept it as a relic
Or something that's memorable

Like if If it were a magical Katana or something
That was passed down by a master to the student & he just snaps it half & spews some BS like "Friendship is the strongest weapon of all" I'd be pissed 😆

Also he became a frickin auror
He could've kept it in a locker & took it out whenever the school was in danger in the future.

But yea that was quite dumb to snap it in half with whatever logic

[idle salmon]

I definitely agree
I also liked that Harry ended up with Ginny coz I think she'd be a better partner than Hermione since she's not soo full of herself.

[ancient lark]

honestly it's kind of ironic. didnt the two brothers that got the resurrection stone and the elder wand die at the hands of death however the one with the invisibility cloak chose when to die? harry got rid of both the resurrection stone and the elder wand, but never the invisibility cloak which i think is a nice detail

[idle salmon]

Yea but it came off disrespectful to me

Like soo full of himself after killing Voldy

[ancient lark]

nah, i think it was the opposite

i think he was trying to show something along the lines that that wand would only allure (is that the right word?) people who seek power, and chances are they're probably not Dumbledore, if you know what i mean

[idle salmon]

But it's still something historically significant

I'd be just as mad if he snapped the Godric sword in half after killing the basilisk, It was an emotionally impulsive & an irrational thing to do. Especially when his job is protecting the school

[snow harness]

If you remember the story of the deathly Hallows, the elder wand was taken after the guy has his neck cut. The whole concept is that if you have it, everyone is always gonna be trying to take it from you. So spending his whole teenage life looking over his shoulder, he probably didn't want to do that anymore

[ancient lark]

i would be mad about that too, but only because the Godric sword cannot be obtained by someone with dark intents. i can assure you that most of the people who possessed the elder wand were evil or had evil intents, like the first brother, voldemort, and grindelwald

[ancient lark]

right this is also a very good point

[idle salmon]

But does it even matter?
It came back in the Cursed Child right?

[snow harness]

Cursed child is.... Not cannon for most people's minds

[ancient lark]

cursed child is the most atrocious despicable horrendous piece of triceratops excrement ever written

[timid bane]

Exactly. This thing was like a historic artifact in the wizarding world, he shouldn’t have snapped it. That’s why I like what he does in the book better, as he preserves the wand but allows its power to die with him

[snow harness]

The whole point of the deathly Hallows story was the horror that follows if you carry the resurrection stone or the elder wand because they were trying to mess with the natural order of things vs the visibility just shields you. Both items were better off destroyed or lost forever

[timid bane]

Though it does open the plot hole of “wouldn’t that mean that anyone who disarms Harry then becomes the master of the elder wand”

[snow harness]

You think they would have kept it in a museum? Nah both those items would get stolen in a heartbeat

And most likely used for the wrong reasons

[timid bane]

No, he should’ve done what he did in the books

[ancient lark]

yes this is my point

[snow harness]

I feel like your missing the point of the deathly Hallows story and origin

Nothing but death and horror followed whoever carried the resurrection stone and elder wand

[timid bane]

I’m not. I agree with you on that part

[ancient lark]

here

[timid bane]

Either way it’s power dies. It’s just more humble to put it in dumbledore’s tomb than to snap it in half

[idle salmon]

Why does it ALWAYS have to be used for Evil intent?
Why can't it just be used to defend the school if some more scummy Slytherins tried to take over the school in the future?

[snow harness]

They put it in Dumbledores tomb and look how that turned out

[snow harness]

People who are evil seek power

[ancient lark]

most people who seek power dont have good intentions. it can be seen all over history

[idle salmon]

God y'all are making it way too deep than it shud be
I'm just saying it could've been the 'Big Guns'

[snow harness]

We're not making it deep, the decision to destroy it was already a deep one

[timid bane]

Why couldn’t Boromir have used the ring for good?

[idle salmon]

Like blades of chaos in God of War
Take it out when it was necessary

When the situation calls for it

[ancient lark]

pretty sure it would still find a way back into someone else's hands, i dont think it's that easy

you can't hide something like that from literal power seeking pyschopaths

[timid bane]

I’m not saying that they’re the same scenario, but they’re similar. The point of lotr is that one cannot wield power that is not due to them; there is only one lord of the ring. The point of the hallows is that one cannot be the master of death, for death will always come to them.

[timid bane]

Right, intelligence and wisdom are passive traits, ambition and courage are active ones. Everyone tends to have a bit of each attribute, but some outweigh others, it wouldn’t make sense if everyone became slytherins and gryffindors because their active traits of being ambitious or brave outweighed their intelligence and wisdom. Rather, it makes more sense that ravenclaws value active traits of wanting to gain intelligence instead just intelligence

[snow harness]

Exactly, any powerful item will be sought out and used for the wrong reasons. That's why they destroyed the philosopher's stone. Flammel was willing to die to make sure it couldn't be used for the wrong reasons. I understand the creation of a powerful item to combat evil but afterwards you shouldn't keep it around if you have it and they don't. Your just asking for it to end up in their hands. Harry understood this and understood the meaning behind the deathly Hallows story and got rid of both the stone and wand.

[ancient lark]

i really like this story, as sad as it is. it shows the dangers of seeking for too much power, and how it is a never ending cycle

[snow harness]

I think you misunderstood what I was trying to say. Ravenclaws active or passive trait isn't seeking intelligence, it's seeking knowledge, being curious, asking the proper questions and just learning about the world around them. Intelligence and knowledge are two separate things. That was my point

[timid bane]

Yes you’re right. I meant to say seeking knowledge not intelligence

[brave echo]

Looks like the ravenclaw companion has a curiosity to learn and he has a keen interest in astrology but you can't depend on him during combat because he prefers studying than fighting

[ancient lark]

this may be my pessimistic nature but i believe some wizards are just more powerful than others

look at tom riddle for example. also snape i think is another good example with the whole half blood prince thing

[snow harness]

Wish he didn't sound like a wussy haha

I will avoid conflict if I can help it but I will definitely hold my own if I need to

Or if I need to for others

[snow harness]

It seemed like what got them both ahead was their ability to understand complex topics and add their own twist onto it

[ancient lark]

well then you agree?

[snow harness]

Think of famous scientists or mathematicians for example, they are really adept at studying it but they also created their theories or made huge discoveries. I suppose you could say that was just natural intelligence but maybe Snape and tom just have a higher ability to understand magic but that doesn't necessarily mean they start with just more sheer power

[ancient lark]

by natural born abilities do you mean magical ones?

or just in general like higher intelligence

if there are magical abilities like being a parseltongue, and these are things you are born with, i wouldn't doubt power to be another one of them

[brave echo]

If you choose ravenclaw , you are probably on your own.

[idle salmon]

How does he sound like?

Does he have an Indian accent?

[modern moth]

They mean the kid seems like a punk who runs away from a fight.

[idle salmon]

You mean strategically retreat from a confrontation?

[modern moth]

Potato, potata

[snow harness]

Ye

[south oar]

I thought it was more that he would help you if you needed it, but would prefer to be doing other things rather than fighting.

[brave echo]

No , We mean he would run away like a coward.

[idle salmon]

But he's a Gujju, they all run away anyways

[brave echo]

What's a gujju ?

[idle salmon]

People from the state of Gujarat

They're all mostly vegetarian & cowardly

I'd be mad if he didn't have an indian accent 😆

Coz it would make sense coz most indians that lived in the UK in 1800s were the first generation of Indian settlers so it'd make sense for him to not have a perfect Bri'ish accent.

[brave echo]

Yeah , he will probably have an Indian accent . We will see

If you are in ravenclaw , Can you make friends with companions from other houses or is it limited to your own house ?

[turbid obsidian]

power corrupts

[turbid obsidian]

we already know about companions of all 4 houses so yes

[worthy trench]

With wizards/witches, its seems its just luck of the genetic lottery. Some are born with greater innate/raw magical potential or affinity for magic in general than others. But it doesn't matter if they don't study it and train and hone it.

It just withers away if they don't.

As for the Elder wand, he only sanpped it in the movies. A better decision i think given it prevents anyoone ever winning from him and using it as their own.

And in the book's end, everyone in the hall knew he was elder's master and news of that would surely reach the wider WW later on, pretty much guaranteeing someone at some point would try to win it from him either by simply disarming him via magic or physical fight or killing him somehow.

[lucid coral]

True. He did just beat lord voldemort.. but i guess some would be desperate enough tk try and get it from him

[worthy trench]

Ofc they would.

And him beating LV was only due to the Elder Wand mastery he had. Which they'd know. Which may remove some awe factor or nerves they may have trying to get from him. He doesn't even have it in the book post 7 so that makes it easier.

HP is a strong wizard, above average for sure and extremely good and skilled at defense and martial combat but he's not in the running for the most powerful wizards or best duelests of all time.

[brave echo]

That's nice. Atleast we can take someone else if ravenclaw companion is a coward.

[turbid obsidian]

I bet him being a coward means he won’t be actually joining you on afventures

[snow harness]

All I'm saying is I don't want him to have the classic nerd trope. The "omg guys I think this is a bad idea, I am gonna run away now or barley be able to pick up my wand I am so scared" that's how they made him sound

[brave echo]

Yes.

[turbid obsidian]

I think it just implies he’s less adventurous

[brave echo]

I bet he will always be in class or the library most of the time.

[brave echo]

Yup.

[idle salmon]

https://youtu.be/eJfpdTMVClA
I don't know why but it reminded me of this 😆

[stiff patrol]

I'm pretty sure its like the trolley problem you can't really know your answer until you are in that situation

[modern moth]

That sounds like Hermione

And she saved Harry and Ron’s life many times. So let’s hope Amit will be similar

But he better not come between me and my food. Otherwise he will see my dark side

[stone matrix]

We’ve been told before we will learn from our classmates. Bet we will learn a lot from Amit. Maybe be a big part of tutorials for us

[brave echo]

Yeah , let's see.

[gloomy fable]

What will be the main lore of the game? cuz I only looked into the game since recently.

[stone matrix]

What do you mean?

It’s focussed in 1890 on Hogwarts and ancient magic

During time of a goblin rebellion

[gloomy fable]

Ye, but like does it have a main storyline you gotta follow like other games. Or does it just exist out of various mini lores.

[stuck epoch]

it has a main story

the goblin rebellion

[stone matrix]

A main story and side quests. Same as most RPGs. Think Witcher, Cyberpunk etc

[old solstice]

Do we know if there will be they/them pronouns in the game or will it just be witch=she and wizard =he

[random moon]

Just witch and wizard going by the character creator.

Unknown what pronouns those taking about us might use. Could be determined by whether we pick witch or wizard.

[idle salmon]

I don't think they'd do that coz it'd be weird if they shoehorned it into the 1800s coz it wasn't a cultural thing then

[snow harness]

Imagine if the library was interactive and you could read most of the books 🧐 jk that would be crazy

[gloomy fable]

ye, like importing your own e books lmao

also having an old vinyl player thing, where you can listen through with spotify. so you can read and listen the music while enjoying the graphics of the game

[turbid obsidian]

perhaps the game just avoids talking about the mc in the third person

[idle salmon]

That's just taking it too far
But then again it worked with FC5

[idle salmon]

Has any game done that till date?

[gloomy fable]

Yes, vr games

Idk about flatscreen games

[idle salmon]

No I meant open world games where Spotify API is synced to in-game mechanics

Music industry is run by literal scum
Who won't let it happen unless you paid them everything you earned.

[gloomy fable]

I seen a couple VR games doing it

Idk why streaming service would stop it you still need the streaming services their subscription if you want the full spotify/yt music experience

[idle salmon]

But it's an amazing concept to implement in the next GTA game if possible, just have Spotify API available in certain cars

[gloomy fable]

Ig

But I was talking for hogwards legacy Xd

[idle salmon]

Spotify isn't needed for that tho

They can just add some music to the files

Or else they'd be playing WAP in common rooms

[gloomy fable]

Kek

[turbid obsidian]

where's the issue

[idle salmon]

It'll ruin the immersion
We all know they'll only listen to UK Drill in Hogwarts

[turbid obsidian]

yeah true

[uneven garnet]

Eh ?

7 seems very important

Ohhh

Idk

[ancient lark]

Feb 7th

[stuck epoch]

7 is considered the most magical number in WW

And its more like 7.5 horcuxes

[ancient lark]

Why?

[stuck epoch]

Harry

Is the .5

[ancient lark]

Yeah but why .5? Unless alive horcruxes are sloppier?

[stuck epoch]

And the 7 secret passages may also not be true (same with the marauders map)

[stuck epoch]

No its just that harry wasnt a real horcrux but rather a fake or something akin to a fake

Nagini is a full horcrux and she is alive

[ancient lark]

Ah because it was by mistake?

[stuck epoch]

Yes

And JK said that he is t really one

[stuck epoch]

There are honestly only two things on this list that are intentionally the number 7 (for all i know) it harrys quidditch number and the horcruxs voldy wanted to make (tho he failed with that)

And the 7 tasks may be intentional to 7 but dunno

[ancient lark]

His birthday too

[stuck epoch]

31th 7th it may but also dunno

[ancient lark]

Which is the sorcerer’s stone vault 713 rearranged but I might be reaching lol

[gloomy fable]

7 has magic properties tho

I read that in the potermore website somewhere

[sick night]

The Horcrux creation process wasn't successfully carried out. When the Killing Curse first rebounded onto Riddle, his soul was so unstable that it simply broke apart on its own and a piece clung to Harry in a last ditch attempt to live on.

[random moon]

Harry was a pseudo Horcrux. There was none of the usual ritual or process for creating a Horcrux, nor was there any intent to do so.

It was more a parasitic sliver of Voldy’s soul finding the nearest living thing, which happened to be baby Harry

[boreal shuttle]

6.5* - Voldemort wanted his soul to be split into 7 parts with the final piece remaining within his body.

I do wonder though if turning Nagini into his final Horcrux was the original plan when he went to Godric's Hollow to kill the Potter's, or more specifically Harry - although #🧠theories is more suitable for that.

[stuck epoch]

He did split his soul into 7 and harry

He had 6 horcruxes +harry+ his own

[ancient lark]

Whenever you split you make another one. So still 7

[vocal lance]

Was it confirmed that the Horcrux split was halved into two equal parts every time or is that just fanon?

Like at the first Horcrux it was 50/50, then 25/25, 12.5/.12.5...

[ancient lark]

If you have a soul and you split it you now have 2. You split it again you have 3. You just add 1 for every split. 2 splits = 3 souls

[boreal shuttle]

7 parts, still 6 Horcruxes if you don't count Harry.

[boreal shuttle]

It's just fanon based on Voldemort's later Horcruxes not being quite as powerful (in their presence and the associated curses) as his earlier ones. But canon always spoke of soul pieces and fragments.

[ancient lark]

yes you are right, just rewatched the scene. riddle wanted to rip his soul into 7 pieces, not 7 horcruxes

[worthy trench]

8

and a few temp spares

at 1 point or another

quirrel was kind of one

[boreal shuttle]

Quirrell was a host through possession - a Horcrux is fundamentally different as it stores a soul fragment separately from the "main soul", which doesn't apply here.

[primal frigate]

It's either coincidence or just a reference that seven has always been important to those who practise magic or are creatures, of magic. For example: a seventh son of a seventh son and so on and so forth.

[worthy trench]

JK basically said he was a like a horcrux when he was possessed

But he had an 8 part soul ironically. And also ironically he never had 7 Horcruxes at once

[uneven garnet]

It’s interesting

[worthy trench]

Some of the 7 references will be intetiontional, others coincidental im sure

[boreal shuttle]

Yeah, I know. I meant to say that her saying that doesn't make too much sense when you consider what a Horcrux is and how it's created - JKR being JKR again, basically.

[worthy trench]

Well it is what it is.

[nocturne hollow]

idk if this is the right place to say this but .

i really hope that there is an option to support the goblins without having to go down a villain path u know. cuz it kinda sucks that we have to squash a rebellion when these dudes just want equal rights. and clearly wizard society is not 100% non-bigoted considering it uses house elves as slaves.

[violet hearth]

What do you mean by being a bigoted? The house elves likes to be enslaved according to Goblet of Fire. I should have realised that J. K. Rowling wasn't pro-human rights since then, but oh well...

[boreal shuttle]

Goblins don't want equal rights - they want all the good parts of being a wizard without sharing any of their own boons in return. Trying to victimise them is a false narrative when they aren't even remotely inclusive of other races themselves.

[brave echo]

Why do goblins want all the power but elves don't ask for anything. Elves are always seen as a worker or a slave and they never complain or ask for more

[boreal shuttle]

Because they love to serve as it's part of their very nature. Sure, some of them would like to be treated better but the core situation they're in is something they want and even need - with Winky being the best example.

It's still slavery when you break it down but it's volitional slavery, for the most part, and a point of pride for House-elves.

[wicked pollen]

I still think that Elves deserves some rights like a proper payment and better condition of life (like being treated with human decency and not being beaten up or worse)

[frank jewel]

I would say most elves are treated with human decency, the story just tends to focus on the ones that aren't, because there's more story potential there. But we see a few times that house elves can be treated well, maybe not as an equal, but not nearly as badly as Dobby, Winky or Kreacher. More like a companion of sorts maybe.

[wicked pollen]

Well, the elves in the Hogwarts kitchens are treated with human decency but there are many families, like the Malfoys, who treated their house elves very badly.
Maybe there should be a law that prohibits to abuse the house elves

[frank jewel]

I'm sure there are others who treat them badly, but I would say it's the exception and not the rule. The Malfoys, as an example, treat muggleborns terribly too, so it's more of a character trait than it is a societal one

[wicked pollen]

I’m against the “free all elves” thing because some elves, like Winky, didn’t want to be freed but I think they should be treated with human rights and decency.
So, there should be someone that controls how the house elves are treated and punish the families who treat them badly

[frank jewel]

While I'm sure it couldn't hurt, I think it would be hard to enforce, given that it is in the elves nature to serve their master, so their abusive master could just tell them not to tell anyone how they are treated and it would be impossible to follow through on said control.

[worn crag]

I'm not so concerned about the Goblins being oppressed, abd more concerned that they're in Uprising again. It needs to be put down before anyone get seriously hurt, then we can figure out how to right the wrongs done to Gobo-kind.

[wicked pollen]

Yes, you are right about this but I still think there should be something to prevent certain families to abuse their house elves

[frank jewel]

I agree, there should be something that prevents any abuse for any creature

[wicked pollen]

True 💖

[worn crag]

There is- unfortunately, it's not a spell or power, and it's completely optional-

"Do unto others as you would have done to yourself."

If all beings would follow this simple rule, no one would suffer abuse of any kind.

[frank jewel]

Yeah as I said, it would be hard to enforce at all, and you would just have to rely on people being good, which isn't always the case

[worn crag]

But back to lore- What are those tiny, green platypus-lookin' creatures from the trailer?

[frank jewel]

The Nifflers?

https://harrypotter.fandom.com/wiki/Niffler

[worn crag]

Ooooh

They are so cute!

Like fluffy Echidnas

[brave echo]

Speaking of Dobby , where was he after the chamber of secrets till the deathly hallows ?

[frank jewel]

Book 3 - Unknown, out looking for work most likely, not mentioned from what I can remember.
Book 4 - Works at Hogwarts in the Kitchens, gets paid by Dumbledore. Wakes Harry up for the second task and gives him the gillyweed to help him out.
Book 5 - Tells Harry about the Room of Requirement when they are in need of a place to practice. Also Ends up being the sole cleaner of Gryffindor common room as Hermione leaves out clothes to try and free the elves, but they get angry and refuse to clean it.
Book 6 - Both Kreacher and Dobby get asked by Harry to stalk Draco to try and figure out where he is going when he disappears from the maurauder's map. It's how Harry finds out he is going into the Room of Requirement.

[brave echo]

Very interesting.
Now I'm mad that they didn't add any of this in the movies. The movies changed the entire storyline.

[frank jewel]

Nah they just swapped some characters

[brave echo]

They swapped Dobby with Neville for the gillyweed part

[frank jewel]

And Room of Requirement

in the movie Neville finds it randomly

I don't even remember if Harry was even trying to stalk Draco in the 6th movie, but that was a really bad adaptation

[brave echo]

Dobby wasn't even mentioned in the 6th movie. He only appeared in the 7th movie

[frank jewel]

Yeah, he's only there when he's crucial to the plot

which would be 2 and 7

since he's CG it would be a lot of unnecessary money to have him appear as a secondary character for a few shots

[brave echo]

I get it but a small cameo would have been great.

[brave echo]

Does he die in the books as well ?

[frank jewel]

Yeah

7p1 is actually really faithful to the book

With really minor changes

[brave echo]

And what do elves get paid in exchange for the work they do ?

[frank jewel]

No, they don't want to be paid

Only Dobby wants payment, and Dumbledore agreed to pay him. Originally Dumbledore offered him 10 galleons a week, but Dobby only wanted 1 galleon a week

In the 4th book the trio goes to the kitchens to talk to Dobby and Winky (Winky is an elf that got cut completely from the movies, but played an important part in the 4th books plot)

Where Dobby tells them this, and then Hermione tries to suggest to the other elves that they also should get paid, but they all get really offended and throw them out

[brave echo]

What is a galleon ?

[frank jewel]

One gold coin

worth 5ish dollars or so I think

[brave echo]

Interesting

[brave echo]

I was not aware of winky until now. I should start reading the books.

What kind of powers do elves have ?
Dobby could levitate cakes and disappear with a snap.

[subtle olive]

they can apparate and disapparate in places wizards flatly cannot whether it's Hogwarts or the basement of Malfoy Manor; they have binding spells all their own, and all sorts of destructive magic as per Kreacher's Tale but they are also beholden to their own laws such as self-punishment for failure to perform a task

[queen canyon]

can you find love in hogwarts legacy?

[compact anchor]

Fr

[modern moth]

Dating is fine. They’re teenagers.

It’s only weird if you make it weird…

[neon kindle]

Why?

[marble tangle]

yes but not in Character more in the whole Game itself

[frank jewel]

They date in the books from year 4 and up, so I don't really see the problem if they added it to the game. Seems like a natural thing in a story about teenagers

[wooden copper]

This is the funniest thing I've read in a while

Two 16 year olds (minors) who are dating are fine

I'm 19