lore

[reef quest]

Harry didn’t get anything better tho

The Vernon’s were terrible

[stuck epoch]

the vernons are still better

and if you read what the essay i wrote (probably didnt which is more than fine) there are two ways humans cope with trauma

one is the way voldy did it: letting his pain out to the world. and the other is how harry did it: not letting anyone get hurt cause he knows how it is

and harry had better friends than voldy did

[reef quest]

Okay I read it now

Thanks

[lunar star]

Wasn't the whole thing about Voldemort that he couldn't feel emotions like love and compassion because he was conceived under the influence of a love potion?

[stuck epoch]

nope

[lunar star]

Wasn't that rowlings explanation

[stuck epoch]

it was because he grew up without love and the potion was only a symbol of that

[stuck epoch]

the opposite

[lunar star]

Like, im sure i can find the tweet/interview she did where she said that he couldn't feel love because he was conceived under the influence of the potion

[stuck epoch]

. read this

[tidal sand]

This was also my understanding

[random moon]

Nope the love potion or enchantment was just a symbolic thing for being born from a loveless union. It didn’t make him incapable of love.

If Merope had lived and raised him with love he would have turned out very differently. He didn’t know how to love, nor did he want to because he was raised in a loveless environment feeling abandoned by those that should have loved him.

He also endured bullying and neglect because he was different from the other kids. Instead of overcoming that and being better, he chose to hurt others to lessen the hurt he himself felt until nothing could hurt him anymore, not even death

JKR has said that the circumstances of how he came to be was symbolic, and that if he’d been raised by Merope he would have turned out differently

The whole love potion thing was a fan theory that gained a lot of traction to a point that many believe it to be true

[earnest linden]

Shhhhhh. Stop ruining the legit fantheory created by Rowling in her text under quotes by dumbledore.

[modern moth]

Guys where can I read more about the HP universe (like deeper lore and pretty much anything that isn’t in the books)

[strange pike]

Wizarding World? aka Pottermore

[umbral mortar]

https://www.wizardingworld.com/writing-by-jk-rowling
Check this out. There are a lot of stuff outside books Rowling has written. It's pretty cool.

[vivid owl]

So I just bought myself an illustrated book on British mythology because it contains the story of Corineus and Gogmagog and their fight, the foundation of Cornwall and the connection to Brut and the founding of Britain.

In myth Brut led a group of Trojans after the end of the Trojan war and brought them to Britain, meeting Corineus, another Trojan leader, and his group along the way.

Together the two groups came to Britain where they found it full of giants, the largest and meanest of which is Gogmagog, who leads attacks on the newly christaned Britons (named after Brut), Corineus fights Gogmagog and kills him and so claims Cornwall.

[fervent crest]

Love that

[vivid owl]

Now whilst Rowling doesn't seem to incorporate much of British mythology into her work (sort of understandable considering it's not well known), she does mention that most British giants are down south around Cornwall, a land which historically is famous for them in its myths.

[mild prism]

So this has been bugging me for a while since MACUSA made being friends with non-mag illegal would being a pukwedge be illegal since it was created by a muggle four Muggles? Or am I just overthinking this

[cedar torrent]

In the prisoner of azkaban, when bukbeak gets executed and the pot gets smashed in hagrids house, (before Harry and Hermione go back in time in the film) is that due to Harry and Hermione?

Who are in the future

?

Not talking about the bit after we actually see them use the time turner in talking about before that after they watch bukbeak die and Hermione cries

[stuck epoch]

yes thats them

and bukbeak also never got executed

[cedar torrent]

Then why did Hermione cry?

They watched it happen

[stuck epoch]

because she thought he did they couldnt see it

harry and hermione went into the past and everything that we saw them do when they did already happened

[cedar torrent]

But they watched bukbeak die?

I'm confused

How could they not see it?

[stuck epoch]

like the smashing of the pot, the freeing of bukbeak

they were to far away

[cedar torrent]

Yeah that's why I'm asking

Because I'd thought that

Bukbeak died

But the pots got smashed

So I was confused

[stuck epoch]

they only saw the executioner swing his axe down onto something and the ravens fly away

they couldnt see what he hit as they were to far away and didnt have the right angle to see

[cedar torrent]

Because I thought that if Harry and Hermione from the future were to break the pots then ofc bukbeak couldn't die for them to save him

But I makes sense now

[stuck epoch]

yes

bukbeak never died and they broke the pots

[cedar torrent]

Also do we ever find out who sent Harry the firebolt?

I assume it was Sirius? Because there was a large feather

And he rode away on bukbeak

[stuck epoch]

you mean as a present that was sirius

[cedar torrent]

Yeah

And the feathers was bukbeaks?

[stuck epoch]

yes

[cedar torrent]

Okay thanks

[stuck epoch]

dw

[autumn gazelle]

Speaking of sirius he the goat character

[still fulcrum]

https://www.hp-lexicon.org/timeline/master-timeline/the-modern-era/the-rise-of-grindelwald/

[celest sparrow]

A very Happy 42nd birthday to the boy who lived!!
and Neville Longbottom!!

[stuck epoch]

is it already the 31st for you damn

[pulsar fern]

the 31st is... 5 hours or so away for me lol

[stuck epoch]

6 for more

didnt know there was a country that was 6h ahead of mine

[pulsar fern]

lol

[stuck epoch]

well mine is 6h ahead of the us so i just assumed there wasnt one that would be 6h ahead of mine

a few hours sure but not more than 4

[pulsar fern]

you do know

that gmt +1 in which you fall can go till gmt+12?

[autumn gazelle]

The game starts when harry is born

[pulsar fern]

uh what?

[stuck epoch]

im in utc

[pulsar fern]

You are in the wrong century tw lel

[autumn gazelle]

Oh

Wai

LOL

[pulsar fern]

you said 6 hours right? If you are in 6 hours at the 31st and i only need like 5 then you are gmt+1

[autumn gazelle]

💀💀💀

Mb

I00 years before harry born

Damn

[stuck epoch]

nvm im just stupid rn its 5h till midnight

[pulsar fern]

lol

you are in the same gmt as me then xD

[stuck epoch]

yea

[pulsar fern]

Duuuude

xD

[stuck epoch]

europe be like

or most of

[pulsar fern]

if you are in the same gmt, than well

i think people can be like 10 hours in the future of you lol

[stuck epoch]

i mean we are like 6h ahead of new york

so i didnt think some would be like 11h ahead

but its possible

[pulsar fern]

i am using gmt for it sooooo

[stuck epoch]

its kinda cool and kinda weird thinking about it

[strange pike]

yeah

[silver sparrow]

Does Australia have a wizarding school?

Even if Australia in the 1890s was still 6 seperate British Colonies.

It wouldn’t be very old in 1890 maybe 100 years old at most.

I am Australian for those who don’t know.

From Melbourne, Victoria to precise.

[stuck epoch]

not confirmed but i do believe it does

[silver sparrow]

What would be a good name for an Australian Wizarding school?

[stuck epoch]

dunno

not good with names

[silver sparrow]

Royal Australian Academy of Magic?

[stuck epoch]

dont think it would be so glorious

all the other names arent

[silver sparrow]

I would see it been established around 1790 - 1800 with some witches and wizards coming on the first fleet.

[stuck epoch]

nah its probably older as well

there were people living there long before it became a colony so in that region (australia and the islands around it) would have magicians as well and create some sort of school

and australia being the biggest land wise and pretty centered it seems like the best place to open a school in that part of the world

[silver sparrow]

First Europeans arrived in 1788.

[silver sparrow]

Aboriginals.

[stuck epoch]

obviously

[silver sparrow]

They never had their own schools so I would think they would teach them selves passing it down than with a school.

[stuck epoch]

how would we know if they had a school or not

[silver sparrow]

We wouldn’t.

[stuck epoch]

see

and i just think it to be more likely that they had some kind of school

we have only 8 schools really confirmed and that just doesnt make sense population wise so i go with logic

[silver sparrow]

Schools may not be the only way magic is taught.

As I said just before.

[stuck epoch]

home schooling is a thing yes

but population wise it doesnt make sense that 90% of the wizarding world is home schooled

for me at least

[modern moth]

That seems quite odd

[stuck epoch]

there are 3 schools in europe one in japan one in america and one in africa and one in brazil and one in russia

so 8 schools

that just doesnt make sense for me

[modern moth]

JKR said there are 11 schools

apparently

So 8 we know of and 3 we don't

[stuck epoch]

well on the wizarding world website there are only 8 listed

so thats all the "confirmed" schools

[silver sparrow]

So I did some research and JK has confirmed some years ago there is an Australian Wizarding school.

[real wind]

yay i live there

[still fulcrum]

Adelaide for me

[simple swift]

there is a lot of home schooling since schools are so far apart, it came up when I was researching the schools

[stuck epoch]

Yes i know but not 90%

[strange pike]

90% of the wizarding world is home schooled?

[stuck epoch]

No

[umbral mortar]

There are more smaller schools in africa too

Maybe the same is with other countries

It's just that there are only 11 included in the international confederation or something

[stuck epoch]

... thats what i have been saying yes...

[vivid owl]

Whilst there might be more schools, and really there should be, unfortunately Rowling has only ever said about those 11 of which only 8 are named.

So alas it's just a theory about the other schools

[vivid owl]

So I worked out the maths for the population do work out if the ratio of magical to non-magicals is something like 1:10,000 meaning the overall British magical population is around 6500, giving around 1100-1250 children based off the fact that around 20-25% of a population is children, though only some 18% are school age (though that school age number is for modern schooling starting at age 5-6 rather than 11 like at Hogwarts).

This would give the rough estimate of Hogwarts having its 1000 students and then the rest could be home schooled. And that should work for Britain at least.

The problem comes that even at that ratio that the other 3 schools in Europe; Beauxbatons, Durmstrang, Koldovstoretz (though tad debateable on this one but still it's somewhere north east of Moscow yet not as far as Siberia), simply don't have the capacity considering their school population is also around a 1000 students each, which means there's some 10,000+ other school age children without access to education.

[olive swan]

Which year did you pick though?

Durmstrang doesn't take Muggles as well.

[vivid owl]

well I went for the population of Europe estimate from 2000 which was 742 million people, then subtracted a couple of million to move it back to the 90s, so at 740 million people, divided by 10,000 to give the magical population, then by 100 to give a percent then times by 18 to give the school age children and got 13,320.

[olive swan]

Wizards tend to live longer and get children earlier, in general - I'd say.

While it might be true for our population to have exploded throughout the industrial age, I think the comparison between wizarding word and normal population is always somewhat wrong, since the population stayed pretty much consistent through the ages.

Wizards have had very little in disease, child mortality yada yada that threatened their overall population apart from the two lunatics, and maybe the occasional small skirmish goblin altercations.

[vivid owl]

these are just rather quick maths to just show that there has to be more schools or else the world is going to have a lot of uneducated magical kids

[olive swan]

Yeah, please read it again thout my grammar mistakes. I can't write in phone it looks like.

[vivid owl]

I get your point that the wizard population has stayed similarly sized whilst the mundane population but I'll counter that by arguing that Grindelwald's war is meant to have killed around 30,000 magicals throughout Europe

[olive swan]

You're directly comparing the population to our own, inferring from its numbers to theirs which I think, is a good way to go about things, but maybe not the best way to do it.

Before the industrial age, population stayed pretty much consistent throughout centuries (more or less) plagues and war dealt a heavy blow, true - but the 1800s were ludicrious in population growth, and the numbers you're extrapolating from are those past IR.

Which would still work with life expectency and such, no?

[vivid owl]

the reason why I used ratios is that then can change over time, meaning that in the past the ratio was probably more favourable to the magicals

so I used a ratio of 1 magical to every 10,000 non-magicals to represent Harry's time.

that's it

[olive swan]

We're talking at cross purposes, it looks like.

[vivid owl]

it's not a "What is the actual size of the magical population" it's meant to be a rough estimate

[olive swan]

I think 1:10000 is too many wizards.

[vivid owl]

I mean that's already an incredibly small number, like literally it'd mean that Britain would have some 6500 magicals for its 65 million population.

to go much smaller puts them at threat of extinction

[olive swan]

And makes it possible to have stayed hidden for centuries, no?

[vivid owl]

Yes and no for multiple reasons

[olive swan]

And isn't that a good way to throw conflict into the fold. Population is getting smaller and smaller in comparison to the world's and thus lead to lunatics gaining favourable sentiment for their cause(S) ?

[vivid owl]

Oh yeah it certainly does help with the whole "Wizarding culture is being threatened" line that the purebloods give, but it's also something that shows that their population is in decline due to them as they've been separated for 300 years by Harry's time

[raw bolt]

This chat is soo smart for me

[olive swan]

And their heavy inbreeding.

[vivid owl]

well yeah that doesn't help

[olive swan]

Becauss small population and that. My head Canon is that after IR, more and more Muggles entered the Wizarding stages, because child mortality decreased, and overall population growth - further pushing race purity sentiment to the forefront of wizarding culture and pure-blood families. Since they've seen their own culture getting mixed in with those of humbler backgrounds.

I can't type.

[vivid owl]

To some degree I agree with you though I personally think that the very thing created to protect the magical world is what created the "pureblood" ethos of Muggle hating.

After all many of those pureblood families were well entrenched in the governments of their respective nations and would have lost a lot of wealth and power with the separation, hence why they fought against it. The Malfoys being a good example of this.

Also it's a very European/American law that was forced on the world.

After all there are many countries where magic wasn't hunted and was accepted, even if wasn't praised the magicals living there wouldn't have felt a need to hide as they weren't being persecuted.

Overall it's probably a mix of things that caused it.

Which lead to the wars of Grindelwald & later Moldyshort's 1st and 2nd wars in Britain (which probably really didn't help the British magical population)

Actually on that fact, Moldyshorts kills more purebloods than the other side does

all some 20+ of the McKinnons, the Bones (apart from Amelia and Susan, though he later duels and kills Amelia), and also several members of families that served him that he just got upset with and decided to kill.

[olive swan]

That's one of the things, I've always wondered. If those pure blood families, such as the Malfoys were really that disconnected from the Muggle World as most want to make us believe. While, I agree that the Statute of Secrecy does forbid the use of Magic in front of Muggeles and keeping the Wizarding World secret is its biggest tenet, I still think that those families, would have influenced the Muggle World one way or another. Having several big estates and land and all that, people would have eventually asked questions, I'd imagine.
After all, the Prime Minister knows about Magicals, so does the Sovreign (maybe/probably).

[vivid owl]

makes you wonder how you can claim to be a "pureblood supremecy" organisation when more purebloods die at your hands than from the so called enemy "muggle-borns."

[vivid owl]

As far as I'm aware, the Queen is meant to know for Britain. Couldn't say about other countries in the HP world though.

[olive swan]

He was batshit crazy, so idk - maybe that's the reason. But yeah, I think he was prone to make stupid decisions, and killing off his own supporters may have been because of him losing it in his later years.

[olive swan]

I believe JKR never confirmed, if the Sovereign knows about their population. It's just something I would assume, since the Prime Minister forms a government in her name, and the Prime Minsiter should inform her of things that happen in her country.

[cedar torrent]

In the first deathly hallows movie, does Harry's phoenix core save him from Voldemort in the bike with hagrid?

[bitter quest]

what if we create avada kedavra? like there's no known creation date of the spell, or who ever made it?

maybe it's ancient magic

[prime berry]

oi

[modest girder]

I've actually been wondering why Bombarda Maxima could not be used on a person..

Just.. poof instant soup..

[restive adder]

I guess it could be used

I believe all, if not most, spells have some sort of effect difference if it hits a being with a soul rather than something that is just an object or something inanimate

[modest girder]

Yeah.. would be pretty funny to see people casting Lumos on themselves to make their skin literally glow like a LED bulb or something

[stuck epoch]

we dont its been used long before we were born in the game

[stuck epoch]

voldy wasnt one of the attackers iirxc and there is a high chance that snape "attacked" harry and probably killed hedwig as well to protect him.

[glass wind]

Voldemort has lucius malfoy wand at the time if im not mistaken, so I think Harry's wand is just more powerful

[glass wind]

Harry and Hagrid were then pursued by Voldemort himself, who was able to fly without support. Harry's wand, recognising Voldemort as an enemy as a result of Priori Incantatem two years before and acting by itself, sent a "spurt of golden fire" at Voldemort and defeated the wand Voldemort had borrowed from Lucius Malfoy.

[subtle olive]

Incorrect. Thanks to Voldemort using his blood and the Horcrux (and Priori Incantatem not occuring) it turns out every offensive spell Harry uses on Voldemort suddenly becomes the combined spell power of his and Voldemort's magic combined. Against everything else, it's an ordinary wand (hence why it got snapped in two in Godric's Hollow)

Dumbledore's spirit confirmed that in the world inbetween

[modest girder]

The funnier part was, if Voldemort wasn't so keen on killing Harry himself, the none of the protections in place would have protected Harry as they didn't protect him from death eaters themselves.

[vivid owl]

Or from just chucking him out a window.

Really any other method apart from the killing curse would have been effective.

Or if Moldyshorts was actually smart then he'd know that prophecies only hold power if you let them.

So he could have just ignored Harry and gone on with his take over plan and not had to worry because he'd never marked anyone as his equal.

[normal meadow]

Voldy only knew a part of the prophecy. He only knew the part till the point, that there is someone dangerous born from parents who faced him three times. He started with Harry. It also could have been Neville 😅 the unkown part was the reason why Voldy tried to get that prophecy. Although i don't understand why he didn't get there on his own. A little later he is coming to the ministry of magic...

[stone matrix]

It would be cool to see those three times wouldn’t it

[open grove]

He didn’t want to make his return public and put the attention on him. After what happened at the ministry it became more important to go and finish Potter.

[stone matrix]

I just realised, given Voldemort probably didn’t know about the hallows… Voldemort’s “death eater” horcrux kind of stuff was going on without any idea that Harry was becoming “master of death”

(Which surely if he knew about, even if it weren’t really a real thing, he would have done anything to become)

[vivid owl]

It seems that after Grindelwald's War that talk of the Hallows sort of became taboo as he'd used them as his symbol and so to talk about them was seen as supporting him.

But he did know of them, hence him going to Gregorovitch and then Grindelwald to find the Elder Wand before stealing it from Dumble's grave.

The problem comes from the other two having a much quieter reputation, as far as we're aware the Gaunts and the Potters never told anyone outside of their families exactly what their family heirlooms were, and apart from the Potters liking to give the cloak to their oldest children when they went to Hogwarts, where it'd be passed off as a cheaper yet still useful invisibility cloak, those two Hallows were pretty much never seen in public for some 700 years.

So Moldyshorts may never have realised that the Gaunt ring was also the resurrection stone, and he certainly wouldn't have known of the Potter's cloak being the cloak of invisibility from the story.

that's if he even knew the Potters had an invisibility cloak, which he most likely didn't.

[silver sparrow]

What would be good names for 4 houses for an Australian wizarding school?

[stuck epoch]

James potter didnt know it was an deathly hallow btw. And voldy definitely knew of the hallows but everything besides the wand is hella useless not just to him but in general

[autumn gazelle]

Not really

The cloak is useful

[stuck epoch]

not really there is magic that does the same if not better and the only reason the cloak is special is because it didnt break yet as there are other cloaks like it they just dont last as long

[opal cedar]

But isn't the resurection stone useful ? You can bring back anyone that sounds cool, as long as they don't end up like the resurected wife of the 2nd brother who committed a suicide I mean it could be good

[stuck epoch]

you cant bring them back

you can only force their souls to appear before you but they are never really back

so the stone is the worst and most useless out of the three deathly hallows

its more like the stone of depression as it shows you something you likely long for but will never be able to have

[opal cedar]

Ooooh, I thought it brought people back to life, the movies never rlly explained this well ig

[opal cedar]

Imao 😂

[stuck epoch]

also the reason the first owner committed suicide

[stuck epoch]

nope there is no magic that can resurrect the death thats strongly stated in the WW universe

[opal cedar]

Oop, I thought there was just no spell to bring the dead back but some artefacts could

[stuck epoch]

nope

[opal cedar]

Anyway I totally misunderstood the thing 😅

[stuck epoch]

there is no way to revive the dead only ways to prolong your live

[opal cedar]

Well now I know, thanks for your explanations 🙂

[stuck epoch]

no worries

[opal cedar]

And is there any mean to cure an obscurus ?

In the lore

[stuck epoch]

nope

[opal cedar]

Oop

Well RIP Credence

[stuck epoch]

its an uncurable curse for now

[opal cedar]

Oh :/

[stone matrix]

I’m pretty sure the books more or less confirm that Voldemort just knew about the elder wand and not the three hallows being master of death stuff

[stuck epoch]

kinda everyone knows of the deathly hallows as they are a childs story most just dont think they are real

[stone matrix]

Exactly yeah (though chances of him knowing a child’s story is slim)

Whereas dumbledore and brindle walk were obsessed by them

*grindlewald

[stuck epoch]

true but he knew about the wand so he probably knew about the others as well just not where they are or just didnt care for them as they are useless

which i said like a thousand times already

[stone matrix]

Nah the books made it clear

He had the ring but didn’t even know

*stone

[stuck epoch]

yes

but james also had the cloak and didnt know

the point youre trying to make has nothing to do with what i said

[stone matrix]

I just think Voldemort would have wanted to be Master of Death if he knew they were all real

[stuck epoch]

i only said that he probably knew of the existence of the deathly hallows but didnt know where they are/didnt care for them to found out

i dont think he would as its not even really confirmed what happens when you get all three (if even anything happens) and he already had horcruxes so being a "master of death" wouldnt change much if anything for him

[stone matrix]

Yeah maybe

[coral pelican]

Dumbledore explained in the books that even if Voldemort knew the deathly hallows existed he would have only cared for the elder wand...there is no one he would have wanted to ressurect and like already discussed there are many more ways to get invisible without having to wear an invisibility cloak.

[shy swallow]

Doesn’t this sort of explain why the deathly hallows is useless in general?
The resurrection stone is depressing.
The invisibility cloak is useless, as there are other ways to be invisible.
And the elder wand just makes you a target and everyone wants to kill you and steal the wand 😂

[cedar torrent]

I'm confused about how the resurrection stone works, in the story Hermione tells it says that the guy tried to revive the girl he wanted to marry but she died, but she didn't belong there so she decayed or died again? Idk that was unclear to me, but then Harry uses the resurrection stone on himself and he turns out fine?

[coral pelican]

As far as i understand, the resurrection stone only brings back some kind of shadow of the living person. I imagined it to be a little bit like Tom Riddle in the Chambers of Secrets. Harry doesnt use the stone on himself but to bring back the shadows of his parents, Lupin and Sirius. As soon as he drops the stone, they vanish.

[stuck epoch]

the resurrections stone forcefully takes the soul to the world of the living and will have to stay there for as long as the owner of the stone wants.

[cedar torrent]

Then how does Harry survive Voldemorts attack?

[stuck epoch]

because he didnt really die

harry had a part of voldys souls inside him that died when voldy avadad him

although harry had the choice to die as well if he wanted to do so

[cedar torrent]

So the only bit that died was the part of Voldemorts soul?

[stuck epoch]

yes

[cedar torrent]

Didn't know they

That

[stuck epoch]

thats also the reason why harry had to "die" so that the last part of voldys soul (not counting the snek) was gone and voldy could be killed

[cedar torrent]

So the killing of Voldemorts soul inside Harry was enough to protect Harry but give him the choice of dying if he really wanted

[stuck epoch]

yes

[cedar torrent]

And yeah I knew that bit i was just confused about how he survived

[stuck epoch]

it was kinda a gamble as well for harry because hes really special in that regard as he is the first one to have happen something like that

he wasnt a real horcrux but a fake one or something akin to a fake

[restive adder]

Nah he was an accidental horcrux(theory)

[stuck epoch]

he was an accident but not a horcrux

JK said so herself

[restive adder]

Ok well then ye

When Voldemort was brought back to life I guess that kinda brought some type of immunity

[stuck epoch]

for harry?

[restive adder]

Ye

[stuck epoch]

if you mean harry then no harry had that way before

voldy also couldnt kill harry due to the ancient magic his mother accidentally cast on him when she sacrificed herself for him

that might also very well be one of the reasons why harry didnt die when voldy aked him

[restive adder]

That was because of sacrificial love but when he tried to kill Harry that night a part of his soul latched onto whatever living thing it could find near it

[stuck epoch]

yes

[restive adder]

That’s why he could speak parseltongje whatnot

[stuck epoch]

yes

[restive adder]

So basically it wasn’t sacrificial love that saved him the second time he tried to kill him

It was just him killing his own soul

[stuck epoch]

....

[restive adder]

Mb 💀

I’m so braindead rn it ain’t even a joke

[stuck epoch]

really love when someone just repeats what i say... it happens so damn often (not blaming you rn)

[restive adder]

Totally not blamin me

[stuck epoch]

no

[restive adder]

🙃

[stuck epoch]

it legit just happens so often im used to it

[restive adder]

So anyways let’s talk about hogwarts legacy

[stuck epoch]

pretty much everytime i explain something someone else comes in and says the same thing/or does what you just did

[restive adder]

The phrasing felt off so I kinda had to come to understand what u said through my words

You know?

[stuck epoch]

happens

[restive adder]

I also thought Harry was a horcrux

So ye

[stuck epoch]

well now you know

[restive adder]

Ye

[gritty hazel]

Can someone help me out with how a poly juice potion would work with mythical animals?

[stone matrix]

In what way? It didn’t work for the cat Hermionie part turned in to

[umbral mortar]

Polyjuice potions aren't meant for animal hair

[random moon]

Polyjuice potions don’t work with animals, magical or otherwise

[vital wraith]

Or at least don't work well

[random moon]

It just doesn’t work.

You can change into another humans form, but you can’t change species. It’ll leave you looking like a half human half whatever animal you tried to change into

[mortal island]

Damn

I wanna be a niffler

I’ll just take transfiguration to make myself a chair

[broken surge]

when you pour something into the pensieve can it be reused/rewatched

[modern moth]

thats a nice life goal, become a chair xdd

[stiff magnet]

im not sure this has been addressed yet, but i think not. I think at some point the memory just evaporates or something

[vivid owl]

As far as I am aware they can be rebottled and reused or even placed back into someone's mind if needed (considering it seems that extracting a memory creates a duplicate but takes all the emotional connection that a person has to it).

Only poor extraction of a memory, or an extraction with no way to capture the memory or place it into a pensieve, can cause damage to the memory and make it fade or lose all emotional connection that a person has with it.

[frank jewel]

They can be rewatched for sure, dumbledore talks about the memories in book 6 like he has seen them before

like when he tried to use one of the memories to get Voldemorts uncle out of Azkaban

[broken surge]

so for instance can snapes memory in the half blood prince be rewatched since hes dead like could he get the memory back into a vile or

[frank jewel]

Yeah I assume so

Did Snape have a memory in Half Blood Prince?

[broken surge]

sorry deathly hallows im watching half blood prince rn so

[frank jewel]

But yeah I assume you can get it back into a vile either way

cause Dumbledore keeps a lot of the memories about voldemort in vials, and he has watched them before, so naturally it makes sense that he got it back

[broken surge]

yeah true

[stiff magnet]

That's true, I hadn't thought of that. I also think he justifies extracting them so he actually remembers because he's getting old and his memories are fading. So it'd make sense they actually linger in time

[opal cedar]

Guys do you know why deletrius isn't an unforgivable spell ?

[broken surge]

we haven't seen it used on a person it says the definition of it is to disintegrate certain objects so probably wouldn't work on a person

[opal cedar]

But we're still not sure it could work on a human being are we ?

[broken surge]

yes it could but since the description is objects i doubt it would work on humans so i would say 60/40

[opal cedar]

Yes you're probably right, sad it wasn't showed in the movies

[broken surge]

yeah think it was only used once in the book

[opal cedar]

Yeah, I think it was arthur Weasley who cast it if Im not mistaken

[random moon]

It’s probably something that only works on non living/ inanimate objects.

Therefore it wouldn’t work on people or any other living being

[broken surge]

@opal cedar

[opal cedar]

Well we will never know ig

[random moon]

Amos Diggory used it to get rid of the Dark Mark at the Quidditch World cup which implies to me it’s not something that works on living beings.

It’d be like casting Rictusempra on a chair. Nothing would happen as it’s not designed for that kind of matter.

[opal cedar]

Yes but we have no real evidences

And yea it was amos not arthur wealsey 😭😭

[random moon]

If it were something you could use to straight up disintegrate a human being, then there would be no need to use the killing curse as you could kill the persons and get rid of the evidence.

We’ve only ever seen it used on inanimate things like the Dark Mark. And if it worked on people they wouldn’t teach it in schools (iirc it’s taught in tear 5 of Hogwarts Mystery) it would be far too dangerous a spell if it worked on living beings.

Therefore, it makes far more sense that it just doesn’t work on living beings, and only works on inanimate things

[broken surge]

yeah i agree

[opal cedar]

Ah yeah, you're probably right

[hollow bough]

Why are werewolves considered beasts, while veelas are considered beings despite transforming into non-sentient creatures when they get angry?

[zinc viper]

its easier to controller getting angry then it is to control the moon cycles

would be my guess /shrug

[random moon]

Well Veela are naturally born, they’re an actual race, while werewolves suffer an incurable disease spread through saliva.

One is made, the other is not. Plus Veela can cross breed with humans to make half breeds but Lycanthropy isn’t genetic

[vivid owl]

Isn't it just the males werewolves who can't pass it on via reproduction, whilst a female werewolf can.

Cos I remember seeing something about a law saying that female werewolves aren't allowed to have children.

[random moon]

No I don’t think so, Werewolves just rarely have children because of the kind of prejudice and stigma any kid could get by having a werewolf parent.

Some werewolves fear they could pass on their affliction but I don’t think that’s the case. This fear may stem from the fact that if two werewolves mated during the full moon while both transformed it could result in offspring but these would be fully wolves, but with human level intelligence. Not human kids afflicted with lycanthropy’

[vivid owl]

Huh

Did not know that about the mating whilst under the transformation creating a wolf with human level intelligence

that actually makes you wonder though if those wolves would be magical

Certainly you'd think an extra smart wolf that might be magical would fit in with the magical world quite well

[random moon]

I think they’re just regular wolves, just with higher level intelligence

They’re said to be indistinguishable from regular mundane wolves save for their intelligence and beauty. They also don’t have the same level of feral danger as very wolves and are at the same level as regular wolves

[vivid owl]

So they are smarter, look prettier, and are as safe if not safer than normal wolves (not that normal wolves are all that safe for your average human).

[random moon]

2 werewolves mating when transformed and resulting in offspring s incredibly rare, most likely due to how ostracised werewolves are and the fact that they’d be more likely to fight for territory when transformed.

[random moon]

true, but generally they’d just be protecting their territory/young and they’d only attack if they felt threatened

A werewolf would just attack. No if ands or buts

[vivid owl]

Yeah

[hollow bough]

So, if 2 werewolves mate in their werewolf form, do they create a smarter litter of werewolves...cool

[random moon]

Not werewolves per se, actual Wolf cubs, they’re just more beautiful and far more intelligent than mundane wolves but they’re otherwise indistinguishable from regular wolves

I don’t think they’d be classed as werewolves either as they’re not suffering from a disease, they just are wolves

[hollow bough]

A ok, sorry for my misunderstanding

I was also thinking that according to the W.O.M.B.A.T., saltwater merpeople are more beautiful than freshwater merpeople. But according to Newt's book, their appearance depends on the temperature of the water and their species rather than the type of water.

Does this mean that a siren if she lives in a lake looks less beautiful, while a scottish selkie or an Irish merrow can be beautiful if in the open sea?

In the sense, if Harry had encountered selkies in the open sea rather than in the black lake, they would have been beautiful.

[stuck epoch]

I think that salt water merpeople are more beautiful due to the temperature in saltwater being different compared to freshwater so the thought might’ve come from this?

Man ive butchered this sentence

[random moon]

It’s probably also dependant on evolutionary needs based on their environment.

Merfolk are all sub species, all part of the sane species type, the just vary based on location.

Kind of like how all wolves share the same ancestor but have different traits with fur/body shape based on their location due to evolution

[umbral mortar]

The hat that Peeves here is wearing could be the one that was given to him by headmistress Eupraxia mole as a contract in 1876

For more info:
https://www.wizardingworld.com/writing-by-jk-rowling/peeves

[stone matrix]

What a brilliant detail 😀

[vivid owl]

yeah we went over it when trying to figure out who the headmaster was

twas just one of those things noted

[hexed wadi]

It's defently one of those two then by the looks of it

[gaunt moss]

Hey so I decided to do a deep dive on why Newt Scamander’s name (the main character in the fantastic beasts movies for anyone who doesn’t know) appears on the marauders map in prisoner of Azkaban and I found a few interesting things. First off, everyone else’s names on the map appears to be very scribbled except for Newts, so I find it very interesting that JK Rowling made it a point for his name to be there in the early 2000s when these movies were being made. Secondly, Newt is standing talking to someone by the name of Lara Blishen. There’s is no other information about her other than her standing there in conversation with newt but if you were to research the Blishen family you will come across someone named Y. Blishen who was a MACUSA employee in the 1920s which is the time period the fantastic beast movies are set in. So far that’s all the information I’ve found about this and just thought I’d share 😋

[umbral mortar]

I don't think you are allowed to advertise

[uneven garnet]

They posted that in many channels, i tagged the moderator but none came ):

[umbral mortar]

Yeah, i saw that

[vivid owl]

Welp just ordered this, so I can hopefully start learning runes.

Might help in the lore section for any imagery that uses runes

There's 3 other books I want to get but all require ordering from the publisher and will take a month to come in, whilst this will be here at the end of the week

That along with the book of British myth that I have should help a lot

[stone matrix]

Jk Rowling has always said Newt was a favourite character long before the fantastic beast films… but that MACUSA link is impressive! I always assumed it was just some Easter egg by the designer

[steady garnet]

Hmm at this point even she was ex employe, she should tell something happend in Hogwarts to MACUSA or ICW?

[sick night]

I wonder if Minerva knew Voldemort's birth name. I'm pretty sure she was still teaching at Hogwarts when he was going by Tom Riddle.

[past lynx]

i think she did

[stuck epoch]

she wasnt teaching then

so no

[vivid owl]

In the original book lore she was meant to have been born around 1935, meaning she started Hogwarts the year after Riddle left.

Now thanks to Fantastic Beasts, the lore has changed so that she was a teacher (don't know why as she teaches transfiguration, which is what Dumbles should be teaching at the time). So maybe according to the new lore.

[vivid owl]

One of those "Wait hang on" moments when I think it was actually meant to have been 1938 that she was born in, making her 7 when Riddle left Hogwarts in 1945.

Either way, the answer is a no if you follow the lore from before Crimes of Grindelwald.

The problem is that because we don't have novelisations of the films, that we are having to accept the Fantastic Beasts films as background lore for both the book universe and the film universe

[stone matrix]

I’ve seen theories that she has a time turner due to working at the ministry (and obviously helps Hermionie with hers). But that seems quite far fetched

[vivid owl]

That and as far as I'm aware a time turner can't go back before your birth and has to create a closed loop

again according to original lore

Curse Child kind of throws that out the window

[stone matrix]

It does… but I think I can believe the cursed child lore in the sense that they would make sure no one out of the ministry has access to such dangerous weapons. It’s like nuclear… even the ministry having access is dangerous

[vivid owl]

The 3rd book sets them up as limited, and having to create closed loops, meaning that you do what you already experienced.

[stuck epoch]

not sure if that is even considered lore

[vivid owl]

It is the official sequel

unfortunately

[random moon]

Regular Time Turners owned and loaned by the ministry (all of which were destroyed or rendered useless in OoTP) can only go back safely a maximum of 5 hours. Any longer and you risk catastrophic harm to yourself and others.

They’re also heavily regulated. Minerva only got one for Hermione thanks to her previous work for the ministry and a lot of assurances and guarantees it should be used purely for her studying

[stuck epoch]

wasnt it based on something from JK and not from JK directly?

[random moon]

The one in TCC was “perfect” as in it could go back as far as you wanted without the sane risk

And it took years to make and was made by 1 dude for the Malfoy family

[vivid owl]

Rowling came up with the idea and outlined it and then passed it off to the script writer (I want to say his name is Thorne or something like that) who then turned it into the finished script and what we see on stage.

[random moon]

There was a prototype that meant you could go back as far as you wanted but only for 5 mins max and then the perfected version with zero restrictions

[vivid owl]

The problem with Theodore Nott making a time turner like that is that once made they exist in all times, and the Ministry confiscated the remaining one at the end meaning it then therefore would reside in the Ministry meaning it'd be destroyed with the other Ministry time turners back in Harry's 5th year.

This is the problem of Rowling not even checking her own lore before writing something new. She writes stuff that flat out contradicts earlier information.

[umbral mortar]

Honestly i feel like the year 1935 is kinda late for her to be born, but the FB date is too early. She was described as kinda old in PS, and Rowling said that Mcgonagall is like a 70 year old. But if she was born in 1935, then she would only be 56 years old in the first book. I feel like 1920 would be like a perfect date, but that's just me

[vivid owl]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

at the end of the day she was meant to be Dumbles student and apprentice during the 50s and become the transfiguration teacher after he became headmaster

if you moved her birth forward by a decade to 1928, then that'd mean that she'd be a year younger than Moldyshorts, and have graduated in 1946.

The problem though comes from the fact she was meant to be a prefect when Professor Sprout was at school, and Sprout started in either 1942 or 1952, though it's implied that it's the later estimate.

it's one of those things that we don't really know beyond a few dates

and so it makes everything mucky

[umbral mortar]

I knew Pomona Sprout attended hogwarts at around the same time as Minerva, but from where is the birthdate info?

[vivid owl]

someone else worked it out from other information a while back, I think based off Minerva being a prefect in Pomona's time at Hogwarts and the original info about Minerva's birth year.

I can't remember exactly where I found it from, but the workings out seemed to make sense

[umbral mortar]

Ah okay.

[umbral mortar]

Can't advertise my dude

Plus it doesn't have anything to do with #lore

[fast canopy]

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[twilit spruce]

we just deleted that one, apparently they've been spamming across multiple channels before

[vivid owl]

This isn't the channel for that

Question for those who still properly tune into this channel to discuss the lore of the HP world, would you be open to discussing British myth, such as the story of Albina and the founding of Albion, and would you consider it relevant to the lore?

[fast canopy]

What is lore

[vivid owl]

as in the information that makes up the background world of a story

[trail needle]

Considering the Fact that Merlin Himself, And the Sword of Promised Victory, are both part of the official Lore, I would say British Myth is a valid thing to bring up in Lore. Especially since the one trailer explicitly mentioned Merlin with the Puzzles. (Almost put a Theory in the lore channel, Sorry). I digress, I think anything to do with the mythology of England, has a Leg to stand on in the Lore of HP, As the very Nature of the Myth can be described in the World.

[stone matrix]

In fact JK Rowling background is in folklore and everything in the WW is folklore based. So very relevant yeah

[vivid owl]

Then why does she bungle British myth and folklore so?

[umbral mortar]

Idk, you'll have to ask her 😆

[vivid owl]

True.

I'm reading through a fairly chunky book on British mythology and specifically its origin myths.

[stuck epoch]

She got myths from all over the world (and folklore)

[vivid owl]

I'mma just point to all my prior rants about her complete ignorance of other cultures and histories.

And okay most of that was due to me getting annoyed at everyone having a "Ministry" and deciding to explain why such a thing wouldn't be but still my point stands.

[stuck epoch]

Yes

She do be like that

[vivid owl]

In any case, I'm going to stop ranting about that and as I keep reading through the book I've got, I'll share the myths that seem relevant and open them to discussion here.

[vivid owl]

I've got through the section titled "In the Beginning" which has the stories:

Of the ancient giants and their travels from Africa, carrying their mineral bearing rocks up along the Atlantic cost and to Ireland where they'd make baths using the cool rains, and bath in the mineral waters from their rocks, cooling their anger and allowing them to disperse throughout Ireland and Britain, away from the humans.

Of Albina and her 29 sisters, whom not wishing to sold off as wives to their father's barons decided to betray and kill him, only for the youngest to betray them and tell her husband who then told the king. Exiled the sisters (minus the youngest) were put on a boat and sent out to sea, they eventually came to rest in a cold land where no human was, for which Albina decreed should be called Albion after her. And so the sisters became adept at survival, but after a time they were tricked by demons, and gave birth to the newer giants of Britain.

Of Brutus and the founding of Britain. Brutus the great grandson of a Trojan general had been forced to leave Rome after killing his father in a hunting accident. Gathering his fellow Trojan descendants, they travelled for a while seeking refuge from the Greek king Pandrasus, whom kept other Trojans as slaves, so they attacked the Greek king Pandrasus, and Brutus married his daughter Ignoge after they defeated him. Later they came to an island with a temple to the goddess Diana, whom after they gave a sacrifice to, she gave Brutus a vision of Albion and sent him there to found a "Royal line that would rule the whole round Earth." Along the way he met Corineus, another Trojan descendant who was famous for fighting giants. Together they travelled to Albion and set up New Troy and other cities, and fought back the giants, leading to the wrestling match between Gogmaggog and Corineus. And after the land became named Britain after Brutus.

Of Scota and Gaythelos. Gaythelos was a Greek prince who was banished after causing mayhem in his father's palace. Travelling to Egypt he met and married the daughter of the Pharaoh (The one from the time of Moses) Scota.

After all the curses and plagues on Egypt, they left and eventually came to Spain, where they set up Brigantia, but their children, Hyber and Hymec eventually led raids to an island to the north to make it ready for settlement. The called the land and the people who went there the Scotti after their mother, but eventually the land they settled would become known as Hybernia after Hyber and the sea between Hybernia and Briton would become the Hyberian Sea due to Hyber's frequent travel on it.

Eventually though, those that held onto the term of Scotti would leave Hybernia and travel to Albany and claim it as their own as Scotland.

[vivid owl]

And lastly of the naming of the Humber and the Severn. Which is also the reason why the Scotti could travel to and claim Albany without much issue as before that happened, King Humber had come raiding, the three kingdoms of Briton, and had fought and defeated the Albany army and defeated their king Albanac, one of the 3 sons of Brutus.

The other 2 sons, Locrin (who ruled Leogria, not-yet-England), and Kambra (who ruled Kambria, not-yet-Wales), gathered their armies, with the aid of old Corineus, and fought King Humber on the banks of the river that now holds his name, where after being driven out into the river, the foreign king sank into the mud and waves, glaring at Locrin the entire time until he could be seen no more.

Among Humber's ships was 3 captive princesses, and Locrin saw one of them, Estrildis, and decided he was in love and wanted to marry her, unfortunately he was already engaged to marry Corineus' daughter Gwendolyn. Deciding he could have both, Locrin shut Estrildis away in a cave where she'd give him a daughter called Sabrina in modern English, whilst his wife Gwendolyn would bear him a son called Maddan.

After the death of Corineus, Locrin decided that he could put aside Gwendolyn and marry his secret love, but Estrildis had come to hate him and Gwendolyn proved to be just as capable as her father and beat Locrin in battle. After which she had Estrildis and her daughter thrown into the mouth of the river Severn, which became named after Sabrina due to how often Estrildis called out for her daughter before she too drowned.

And that's all just summarising all that.

My gosh though the origin myths of Britain are generally a bit grim.

[vivid owl]

My newest book. 😃

[modern moth]

nice

[fast canopy]

If you guys had to put a name on somewhere in England where you’d put Hogwarts where would you put it?

[vivid owl]

it's in Scotland though

[fast canopy]

How is it the safest place in the wizarding world with also a Forrest full of scary beasts in there everyone has a wand that can kill people there are 3 headed dogs in the castle and also a basalisk

[fast canopy]

That’s what’s it’s based off

Well

[vivid owl]

I mean in the books it's in Scotland, in the highlands

[fast canopy]

It’s tough becuase it’s all in different places if you had to put all the things you can see in the movies in one place where would you put it?

[vivid owl]

The Scottish highlands is a nice out of the place way, which is why the books put it there.

[fast canopy]

That would be good I’d also put the suggestion of bodnant gardens but if it wasn’t already there with stuff in it

Good place to explore

Could have the train station in the middle going through with Hogwarts on the right with the forbidden Forrest then Hogesmede on the left

Well hidden too

[vivid owl]

oh you mean as for a potential theme park variant, like the one in Universal Parks in Orlando, Florida.

[fast canopy]

Yeah but all like Harry Potter based like a replica of the one in the movie with all the areas outside

[vivid owl]

I mean they'd most likely find a place around London, they have the studio tour down there already.

[fast canopy]

That would be good but then again where would you put it as London is so packed and you’d want it to feel Authentic like it’s in the middle of known where no cars or muggles just aload of Forrest and places to explore

[vivid owl]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

Honestly why it's an interesting discussion, it's not really a #lore topic

more a #💬general or #😎off-topic topic

[fast canopy]

Yeah good point

[little knoll]

wait im genuinely curious why wouldnt each region have a ministry?

[vivid owl]

Because some places would have a republic, or a kingdom, or an imperial court, or a council, or may be a dictatorship.

There are a whole range of government types, and magical countries would have those based off of the ones they had from before the separation due to the Statute of Secrecy.

A good example is France.

So with France we know that there were magicals who continued their roles in the nobility after the start of the Statute, and just hid the magical side of themselves from public view. We also know that a French magical duke managed to survive the French Revolution by using magic to make it look like his head had been cut off when it hadn't.

So due to the fact that dukes are related to kings generally, the French magical duke could have claimed the French throne and pulled it fully to the magical side. So whilst the normal French became a republic then an empire before becoming a republic again, the magical French might have stayed a kingdom.

Basically if you look at the history of different countries and their cultures, you'd very quickly see that A) not everyone should have a Ministry, and B) that some countries either shouldn't exist in the magical world, or should follow borders from hundreds of years ago.

Germany is a great example. Whilst there has been a sort of Germanic peoples for thousands of years, the united German culture is around 200 years old, if that. Before then Germany was made up of a variety of small and large states that until 1806 was known as the Holy Roman Empire.

Under the HRE, people identified themselves as being from whichever state they were from rather than German.

After the Napoleonic Wars, Prussia pushed to create the North German Federation which effectively stopped Austria from dominating the minor powers of Germany, and then they pushed to become Germany, der Kaiserreich, from the 1870s through till 1918.

so Germany didn't exist until around 1871, so why is there a "German Ministry" ?

Wouldn't there be an Imperial court, or lets say that the magical German states followed the muggle ones through to the end of WW1 but unlike real Germany, learned their lesson and stayed out of WWII, does that mean that they are still a magical version of the Weimar Republic?

Although in real life the Germans never called themselves that from 1918 - 1932, they just carried on under the name of Deutsches Reich, though they did unofficially call themselves the Deutsches Republik.

[vivid owl]

Either way, I hope I've made enough of a convincing argument, and that's just using 2 nations from Europe, that's not even going out to the wider world and having me debunk China having a Ministry.

There's a wealth of history, hundreds of years of changes that simply giving everything a Ministry and having done with it ignores and tramples over for a one size fits all magical government type that Rowling wants.

[unreal drift]

The name of the German ministry most likely changed to the “german ministry” after 1949 when the nation’s name changed.

wizards are very ignorant of what goes on in the muggle world, we can see that from the main trilogy of books. I very much doubt the German ministry was a magical version of the Weimar Republic and I doubt their government was similar to the German one at the time at all.

Wizards simply do not understand muggles. They’ve been isolated from them for centuries. The argument that ministries shouldn’t exist because of republics, kingdoms, dictatorships, etc.. doesn’t really mean much because they’re all muggle ideas. Perhaps there were kingdoms or a different type of Wizarding government body before the formation of the international confederation of wizards, but after that it makes logical sense for the known Wizarding countries with ministries to have them. It’s what the Wizarding world as a whole was going through, a shift in culture with the introduction of ministries due to the formation of the international confederation of wizards.

[umbral mortar]

Also we don't even know if "all" the countries have ministries. We've only seen a few countries in the FB series

What about India, middle east countries, the baltics, russia

[vivid owl]

Both yes and no.

We know that the wizarding side had different government types before the Statute of Secrecy and that many magicals were active in the already existing government of their nations before the Statute came into effect so do please tell me why they wouldn't continue with whatever form of government they were already involved in but just as a magical only version.

Britain makes a decent example. It created it's Ministry of Magic in 1707, not due to the Statute but due to a variety of issues in Britain meaning that the prior Wizards Council wasn't up to the task of effectively governing and thus the Ministry was formed to take over as it had a civil service side and was able to enforce its rules beyond just saying "pretty please."

That and also if you want to say that the ICW inspired this mass conversion to "Ministries", then again that doesn't line up as the ICW was A) made before the Statute of Secrecy and B) beyond enforcing the Statute and having the ability to declare and cancel international arrest warrants, we don't actually know what influence the ICW has over national policies and culture, certainly by the 1990s we see that the ICW has little to no teeth and does nothing to stop the breaches of the Statute or even to help with the security issues that are caused by Voldemort.

[vivid owl]

Lastly where has this idea that the magical community, which has long been shown to be traditional, would entirely ignore historical knowledge and influence just because of the Statute?

By the time of 1692, many magicals would have been living in republics, kingdoms, empires, principalities, and so on, for hundreds of years, why would they discount all that simply because of the separation.

Heck if I was them then I'd take it as a chance to take the system I'm already living with and make it benefit me even more.

Magical nobles (of which we know many that existed), would have pushed for further powers because surely "they" should take up the mantle of Prince, or King, or Queen, because after all aren't "they" already noble.

It's like the person who told me that Hogwarts didn't have toilets before they put the plumbing in because "That's a muggle idea."

The very concept of a toilet is over three and a half thousand years old. A) wizards know of them, B) it's just hygienic to have them, C) the vanishing spell is a 5th year spell, D) would you really want to soil yourself and then vanish it when you can go sit on a toilet.

And sure the toilets of the time in Hogwarts may have just been a poop chute to a pit which probably has a permanent vanishing charm placed on it so that anything that falls into it is immediately atomised, but still they'd have had toilets.

[vivid owl]

Why would it change in 1949?

That whole split into East and West Germany and the split down Berlin was due to Muggle politics, which as you've said apparently magicals don't pay attention to. Which I'm really not sure how they wouldn't know about a country being split in half.

But also there's the fact that in Secrets of Dumbledore, they visit the German Ministry in 1932. So it was called that before then, but again my point is "why?" when Germany didn't exist until 1871 some 179 years after the formation of the Statute.

Why is Berlin therefore not the Prussian Ministry if you want to keep everything with a ministry.

[umbral mortar]

Idk man, i think the FB movies mess up the canon so much i'm starting to feel like not considering them canon

[umbral mortar]

I like your toilet theory

[olive swan]

This is the correct answer. Anything beyond the first seven books isn't canon, at least not in my mind.
JKR has done piss poor world building, and now she invents stuff along the way, some making sense, others not so much. Just don't question it, has brought me a lot more closure. lmao

[umbral mortar]

I like some of the wizarding world/pottermore stuff, so i take that as canon too. To each their own

[drifting condor]

what about the FB movies mess up canon?

[vivid owl]

Minerva being a teacher before Riddle goes to Hogwarts

or even just her being an adult in the 1920s

[hollow marlin]

there was a theory floating around of Minerva being their due to time turners reason why she seems to know them so well, and when speaking to Hermione, seems to be more informed of the risk then the information the ministry gives about

whether it is true or not is a different story however

[stuck epoch]

I think you cant go back before you were born with time turnes or those who were able to are already destroyed before minerva was born so thats a no. Also you would age the time you went back meaning she would be as old or older than dumbledore.

The reason why she knew so much about time turners was due to her working in the ministry before being a professor

[hollow marlin]

wasnt their stories about people going back 400 years they had issues but still managed it

[stuck epoch]

Thats the reason hermione was even able to get one in the first place

[umbral mortar]

There's this

[stuck epoch]

Not sure bout that but even if thats the case all time turnes that were powerful have been destro

[hollow marlin]

good point

[stuck epoch]

Yes the reason there are non as powerful

[hollow marlin]

when did the powerfil time turners get destroyed?

[silver sparrow]

Can I talk about wizzarding world lore from the 1930s and 40s here?

[hollow marlin]

i think so, as its lore room

we were just talking about FB which is that time

[silver sparrow]

So how do you people think the fall of France in 1940 would affect the French ministry of magic?

[hollow marlin]

most would of stayed hidden but due to the communication betweenn the nations and the international wizarding body, it ould be strained and the german ministry if they were with the germans during the war would be able to seek find and hurt the other ministry members of the french

[silver sparrow]

I do wonder if this would be explored at all in the next two fantastic beast films.

[hollow marlin]

whos knows would make an intersting talks and movie

[stuck epoch]

Dont know the exact time but before minervas birth (the one from the books)

[stuck epoch]

Little to non

[stuck epoch]

The wizards didn’t participate in the struggles of the muggle world like wars

[hollow marlin]

who knows then, they may explain it in the next book/movie. at least i hope so

[silver sparrow]

Well I would think it would at the least it would make for a busy time for the ministry.

[stuck epoch]

They communicated with them but didnt interfere with one another unless they absolutely had to

[hollow marlin]

they dont interfear with muggle conflicts but they do some times share the view of the nations they are in and fight agasint them selves

[stuck epoch]

They do have infighting but i highly doubt they have wars between countries

As that wouldnt have gone by unnoticed from us muggles

[hollow marlin]

in the most recent FB, Newt almost started a conflict himself by the assisnation attempt

[stuck epoch]

Almost

[hollow marlin]

but that was pre-war

relations would have only been more strained

[stuck epoch]

Grindelwald also almost start a war with muggles

[hollow marlin]

true

[stuck epoch]

And there probably were many like him before

But evidently non succeeded

[vivid owl]

Oh dear I missed a lot. Though a note for this, I don't think this incident happened because of a time turner but instead some other form of time travel which was most likely completely accidental.

[random moon]

This incident was caused by early experimentation with Time Turners.

It’s why they’re so restricted and have very explicit rules to follow when using them. Going back any longer than 5 hours puts the user, those around them and time itself in immense danger

https://www.wizardingworld.com/writing-by-jk-rowling/time-turner

[vivid owl]

Ah, well count me corrected

[modern moth]

Lore question. What happened with that time turner incident where a dozen people were errased or something?

[stuck epoch]

this?

[modern moth]

Yes thank you!

[stuck epoch]

the time turner got destroyed and the people were erased from existence

[modern moth]

I remembered a HP theory video where he mentioned that probably happening to the HL MC.

[stuck epoch]

yea no

firstly 8 years after HL secondly the game wouldnt exist then as the mc wouldnt exist in the first place and thirdly dumbledore mentioned that someone like us (someone who can manipulate ancient magic) was there when he attended

[modern moth]

Quote on that last part please?

Ngl it would be fun to meet Dumbledore in HL.

[stuck epoch]

SuperCarlinBrothers think its in one of their vids

[stuck epoch]

we wont as he is 9 at the time of HL and i doubt this game would stretch over more than one year

so maybe in a sequel

[modern moth]

Eh you never know

It might have year segments based upon when you beat the Year questline.

[stuck epoch]

it might but i doubt it

[modern moth]

Students get 7 years at hogwarts right?

And they join on 5 so...

[stuck epoch]

and if it doesnt have that kinda thing we wont see dumbledore as there is no reason for him to be there

[modern moth]

If there is no Dumbledore. Be the Dumbledore.

[stuck epoch]

yup in our 7 th year dumbledore would be in his 1st

[modern moth]

😃

[stuck epoch]

we would be far more powerful than dumbledore tbh

[modern moth]

For now.

[stuck epoch]

no for ever

manipulating ancient magic is not something one can beat

[modern moth]

Dumbledore is the most powerful wizard of his time.

[stuck epoch]

yes of his time

but we are not in his time

[modern moth]

Technically our time and his would cross at a certain point.

[stuck epoch]

in the sense that we are not publicly known

[modern moth]

Actually hang on. Who had the elder wand at this time frame?

[stuck epoch]

if that were the case it would literally world shattering news

[stuck epoch]

three candidates could be possible

Loxias
Arcus and/or Livius

it doenst mean that one of them had to have it tho

but it most probable wont be in the game

[modern moth]

Yeah true.

[stuck epoch]

as all the other deathly hollows

not to mention that they are all rather useless anyways

the wand is the only remotely useful

[random moon]

They were the last known owners before Gregoravitch and there was a gap between them where tracking of the EW became difficult.

It could be with anyone. There’s a big gap in the EW history where no one knew where it 2s or who had it.

[stuck epoch]

yup

these three are the "best" candidates but as i said doesnt mean that any of them would have it at the time of HL

[random moon]

I mean we don’t even know when they were alive or what year they were born/died

So I doubt it’s with them in the time of HL.

[stuck epoch]

we dont know

we dont even 100% know if Arcus or Livius even had it in the first place

btw its been a while how did your appointment go?

[unreal drift]

ancient doesn’t necessarily mean very powerful

[stuck epoch]

sure besides it being the very foundation and essence of magic it aint powerful at all

there are 7 types of ancient magic one is protection (seen from lily) and one is death related (seen when sirius died)

other 5 are unknown to everyone but the ministry personal that studies it

and us soon™️

[unreal drift]

dumbledore turned lily’s sacrifice into protection therefore using ancient magic in the process

[stuck epoch]

dumbledore didnt do anything

lilys sacrifice did

[unreal drift]

no it was both

[stuck epoch]

or harry wouldve died then and there

when then?

[vivid owl]

Dumbles bound the protection to the Dursley's home and Petunia, it may never have needed to be in the first place.

Though we don't know if it had to be bound to Petunia or if it would have just existed in Harry as long as he was loved by someone.

[stuck epoch]

as far as i know the spell worked longer because he was with someone blood related to the caster (petunia) and that was the reason why he even had to go back there every so often. the involment from dumbledore was never stated tho (at least to my knowledge) so if you have a sauce for that pls do share

[unreal drift]

I mean we can deduce that from his great understanding of the protection

[vivid owl]

it's one of those things that is never said either way in the lore but implied that Dumbles did something to tie it to Petunia and the Dursley's house.

[stuck epoch]

great understanding of something doesnt mean he can manipulate it tho

[vivid owl]

as for whether Dumbles did do something can be debated but most tend to take it as he did.

[stuck epoch]

aight then lets just agree to disagree for now

[vivid owl]

and if he did do something, the necessity of it or not can again be debated

it's one of those mysteries of the lore that I think works best as a mystery

not everything needs to be explained

[random moon]

The injection? Uh weird. Not a fan, got a second one on the 9th next month.

[vivid owl]

and I say that as a lore fanatic

[unreal drift]

dumbledore’s beard is so majestic, he definitely used ancient magic to grow it

[stuck epoch]

i see but as long as it does its job thats a good thing

here comes hoping

[stuck epoch]

well as he is dead anyways it doesnt really matter but for the time he was alive if he was able to that would be rather groundbreaking and put him much higher on the "powerful" list

[random moon]

Well the injections won’t fix the eye but they should hopefully stop it getting worse.

And there’s a chance I’ll get flare ups every now and then and get more injections when I do. I’m s glad I like in the UK and have free healthcare.

[stuck epoch]

as the only other person who was able to was merlin (and maybe morgana)

[stuck epoch]

yea meant the stopping with doing its job

free health care do be great

[vivid owl]

I mean Dumbles is pretty much second on the list until he dies, (of people around at the time), he was meant to be fairly fantastic.

[stuck epoch]

third id say with morgana being second. he was the most powerful (known) wizard of his after all and merlin the most powerful of all time (also known) with morgana being the only contestant to him

[unreal drift]

who is morgana?

[vivid owl]

As for whether Dumbles matches up against Merlin and Morgana, you'd hope some 900 extra years of magical theory development would mean he'd have a better base to build off of.

[stuck epoch]

a witch and rival of merlin in pretty much all folklore/tales/myths with merlin in

[unreal drift]

ah I see

[stuck epoch]

not necessarily true as so much knowledge can be lost over the years and it wouldve been possible that 900 years ago there were more powerful spells. also merlin and morgana especially wanted to get stronger at all cost so their goal was different as dumbledore didnt strive for power (atleast in his later years) so while he still improved he wasnt the most powerful he couldve been

[vivid owl]

True, though here's the question, who's more capable, Grindelwald or Riddle?

[stuck epoch]

in terms of overall capability id say grindelwald

[vivid owl]

both were basically geniuses and knew more about the Dark Arts than anyone else of their times, and both at the height of their power could take on and kill multiple witches and wizards.

[stuck epoch]

i would say grindelwald was more powerful tho it might only be a little

[stuck epoch]

also nvm this

they were rather equal tho the fact that voldy lost due to stupidity and arrogance is also there

[vivid owl]

Also I think, and this is a common assumption, that the making of multiple horcruxes definitely degraded Riddle's mind. So by the end he wasn't anywhere near as smart as he once was, even if he knew a crap ton of stuff, he'd just lost common sense.

[stuck epoch]

i think the part where they got destroyed degraded his mind

but thats also just a fact of poor planning due to arrogance

voldy had better chances of winning. if hed done some things differently

like hiding is horcruxes at better places or just keeping one with him at all times (nagini doesnt count as its to big of a target to efficiently protect)

its a rather hard question as they had different goals and how do you define capability

power is also rather a definable question

like grindelwald had the most destructive power (we saw. voldy couldve had more with the EW or he just never showed it) but voldy had the most destructive potential (was able to destroy more without holding back)

[random moon]

Yeah Voldy’s biggest weakness was his arrogance. He fancied himself the most powerful Wizard that ever lived and even split his soul to cheat death and grow his power by becoming essentially immortal.

But as a result he thought he was always right. Horcruxes don’t affect the mind. But arrogance can make foolish decisions seem wise to the one making them because they’re too much of a narcissist to see any flaw.

[stuck epoch]

yea voldy 100% developed a god complex over time and the horcruxes made it even worse and led him to think he was truly immortal

tho the destruction of a horcrux could also lead to your mind getting damaged as a part of your soul gets destroyed

making his decision making even worse

[stone matrix]

Or the opposite… if he had made horcruxes the way most people make portkeys. Turn a dirty old boot into a horcrux and chuck it in a muggle dump. No one will ever be able to find it

[stuck epoch]

as it radiates very dark energy it wouldve been found that way

but just tossing the medallion into the ocean would be more than enough

he went to great length finding a damn cliff in the middle of nowhere putting a curse on it so you have to sacrifice blood to even get in put an army of ghoulish things (forgot the name) in the number of multiple hundreds and filled the thing the horcrux was in with disgusting and mind numbing/corrupting water but never once thought about just tossing it in an ocean or a jungle (where he even was)

[vivid owl]

always make the real thing hidden off to one side whilst the fake takes centre stage.

He literally could have made a little cubby hole in the rock at the bottom of the lake in that cave (before he put the inferi in it) and put Slytherin's locket in there, then put a fake in the potion in the centre of the island.

most people wouldn't have thought that the real thing was in basically the same place as the fake, just hidden out the way, most people would assume that the real one was in a different location.

[stone matrix]

Also… isn’t it funny how hard to kill a horcrux it is. Yet if his soul wasn’t split, it would be simple (theoretically) to kill him. What is it about putting part of your soul somewhere that makes it become so much stronger 😂

[stuck epoch]

there are three ways to destroy a horcrux: ak, fiendefire and basilisk venom all of which would also kill humans and most magical creatures

the thing that makes it stronger is that you survive as long as one part of your soul remains even if you dont have a body

[random moon]

Voldy also had all of his Horcruxes protected so regular mundane damage would affect them.

It’s why you need either extremely powerful spells or materials to destroy them.

They’re also immune to Avada Kedavra because they’re still just objects, not living things so the killing curse doesn’t work on them.

So in that sense they’re a good idea if you’re scared of someone killing you. Basalosk venom isn’t exactly easy to cone by and Fiendfyre is just as likely to get out of control and kill others as it is a Horcrux

[stone matrix]

Sure. But you can kill a person with a whole soul by, well, any number of ways. Yet there’s only three ways to kill a seventh of a soul 😅

[stuck epoch]

pretty sure ak works as you dont have to destroy the object but the horcrux

and i think its stated

[stuck epoch]

not only a seventh but a part of a soul

[stone matrix]

Hmm… seems they went through a lot of effort to kill the horcruxes if they could have just given in and done ak

[stuck epoch]

there could also be more ways but horcruxes are just so unknown that we only know of those

well ak is dark magic and the "good guys" never used dark magic

and you still would have to learn the spell to use it as well

[stone matrix]

RAB would have used it 🧐

[stuck epoch]

its not like the three unforgivable curses are just in text books on how to use them

dont think he helped with the horcruxes

and asking a former deatheater with something like this is rather hard

[random moon]

I’m pretty sure the killing curse would only work on living horcruxes or pseudo horcruxes in the case of Harry.

But if the Horcrux is an object, the soul fragment inside is safe.

The killing curse kills living beings and most horcruxes aren’t living beings. They’re objects

[stone matrix]

It’s in the books that RAB tried to destroy the real horcrux after leaving the fake one in the cave. But was unable to

[silver sparrow]

Can time turners take you forwards in time?

If so what would be the rules of travaling forwards in time in the wizzarding world?

[random moon]

No, Time Turners are Hour Reversal charms contained in a small vessel. They can only go backwards an hour at a time per rotation of the Time Turner

[silver sparrow]

Pity. I wonder if one could reverse engineer it to allow travelling forwards in time.

[random moon]

That would require a completely different spell and time magic is generally not just something you experiment with as it’s extremely difficult to perform and incredibly dangerous. One slip up, one mistake and you could cause catastrophic damage

[stuck epoch]

Yes but how would they know and even if they did its still weird to ask a former deatheater to help them with that

[stuck epoch]

Really no pity. Time traveling is something that should be left alone

[hushed nest]

i will time travel to 1977 to watch star wars and to 1940 to eat the first the first mcdonald’s burger and no one can stop me.

[stone matrix]

I just mean he would have used Avada kedavra and it didn’t work

So we know that doesn’t work on horcruxes

[stuck epoch]

we dont know what he tried tho

i mean if he tried ak why not also try fiendfire which definitively works

[stone matrix]

That’s true yeah

[rugged gust]

No, he died in the cave before that. He ordered Kreature to do it, but he couldn't.

[stone matrix]

Ahhh yes

[terse glade]

Okay I have a question: What magic was used to actually fabricate the marauders map between, Lupin, Sirius, James, Pettigrew. Like considering they created it, surely someone would’ve done something similar? Like on the wrong hands if they could generate a map like that imagine if any other dark minded student could’ve done something similar

[glass crest]

im assuming some complex tracking and identification charms for one thing.

[terse glade]

Yeh exactly

[glass crest]

theres probably a password charm too considering the amount of password only accessible places there are in the wizarding world

it'd make sense for that to be used to open it. I'd also assume it has a 'consequence' variation if say a certain person was to try or a revelio charm was used like with Snape

though im unsure if the reason the map insulted Snape was because of the specific charm he used or if the Marauders made the map specifically identify him and insult him in case it ever came into his possession during their school years

[terse glade]

Yeh exactly was going to say it probably has variables of insults designed for “incorrect incantation or password to open it” haha

[terse glade]

Fantastic as well! Thanks for helping answer my question

[glass crest]

i cant think of what would be used to map out the actual blueprints unless say the map existed and the boys added charms to it, or while exploring the castle they gradually drew up a map of Hogwarts and then charmed it to vanish and reappear after the password was spoken. Kind of like the invisible ink quills that exist, only the ink is there just hidden until asked.

[glass crest]

No problem :3

[terse glade]

Now this leads into what I was thinking! If it was a pre-existing object, tangible or not and they made it a physical map/or not... HL hopefully allows us to use it as the actual map in game... doesn’t have to “be invented around that time before the game existed”

[glass crest]

A pre-existing map probably exists but not to the length of the Marauders. Most hidden passageways wouldn’t be available on a pre-existing map as that defeats the purpose of secrecy. I doubt they’d have individuals locations on it too. So while the map would be handy I can’t guarantee it would be as useful as we wished to be considering this is 1800s hogwarts. Half of those hidden passages probably weren’t even discovered yet

[random moon]

They used the Homonculus charm on a map they plotted and designed so it could track the movements of anyone on it

[glass crest]

ah i see thanks!

[stuck epoch]

The reason why it insulted him was because it was snape casting the spell if any other did nothing wouldve happened

[glass crest]

That's what i figured.

[stuck epoch]

The marauders and snape had a bad relationship and made it so that if he specifically tries to reveal the map he would get insulted

[terse glade]

Wicked thanks for that!

[wicked warren]

So since we can choose to learn Crucio and Avada Kedavra, do you guys think we’d be able to also learn Imperio?

[rocky sierra]

Yes, it has great potential for puzzle solving

Before yesterday's trailer I thought imperio was more likely to be on the game

[amber bluff]

Imperio could be extremely cool as a charisma buff type thing when in dialogue.

“No professor, you will not be giving me detention” 🤣

I find it hard to imagine other utilities, unless you could use Imperio to cause an enemy to start attacking other enemies or something similar.

That was one of the main uses of Imperio in my wizarding world tabletop rpg. Although, it was often used to get the PCs out of trouble.

[verbal bridge]

They'd also have to discover every single area possible in Hogwarts as far as I believe. I don't know how else they mapped out the castle. It does show secret entrances but not the room of requirement.

[trail shuttle]

hermione said Room of requirement can be everything you want, so also be "not mappable"

[verbal bridge]

But I do assume there may be more places that wasn't exactly shown on the map if they were undiscovered. This is speculation though, because I don't remember the details.

[sly kayak]

I can imagine they used their abilities as animagi to their full potential, discovering and mapping down all the lesser known places and possibly drawing their own memories to help out with details and intricacies. I'd imagine Sirius having access to a pensieve based on his family history.

[ocean nebula]

For the map from my knowledge they would travel as animaji when lupin was transformed and they would map out everything and find hidden paths. So from what I know it was all essentially done in hand

[agile hornet]

Does anyone have any theories on the curse that Sebastian sister has?

[worthy trench]

most likely maledictus

[random moon]

Maledictus seems most likely. It’s why he’s so desperate to find a cure

[worthy trench]

alas i fear tragedy for that story

[arctic kindle]

The beginings of Nagini maybe

[stone matrix]

Nah no chance, they are avoiding adjusting anything related to the lore. No origins stories here

But yeah likely a similar theme

[glass crest]

Yeah I’m aware. That’s why I figured the map had a charm on it that can identify him

[random moon]

Same blood curse. Not the sane character.

We’ve met pre permanent snake form Nagini in the FB films

Makedictus is the name for a person with the blood curse. It’s every woman born into a bloodline, passed from mother to daughter.

[harsh reef]

Do we really have any lore that isn’t still theory?

[hardy swallow]

we awake dark magic

idk

[worthy trench]

We awake Ancient magic though I assume it comes with dark magic

[rocky sierra]

Idk about that, dark magic seems optional in game, I don't see it being tied in with ancient magic

[worthy trench]

The game marketing says you can use ancient magic for both good or evil so its either neutral in nature or can be turned dark.

[sour bramble]

Couldnt the room of requirement theoretically have endless rooms of requirements inside it?

[worthy trench]

My guess is there is a limit on it either by design or by the laws of magic itself

[stuck epoch]

There is so much lore that isnt theory

[umbral mortar]

Here is some more lore. Havelock Sweeting could be Poppy Sweeting's ancestor or some other relative. Creature care runs in the family i guess?

https://harrypotter.fandom.com/wiki/Havelock_Sweeting

[modern moth]

So guys when voltermot used the elder wand on Hogwarts barrier the movie showed voltermot kept looking at the wand y is that

[stuck epoch]

because it was acting weird ig

he wasnt the owner so it didnt act like it shouldve and that confused him?

[modern moth]

Yeah he was never the true owner

[stuck epoch]

or maybe just cause his stance was that way so it seemed like he looked at it

[modern moth]

Wait so it had the mind of his own

[stuck epoch]

he held his wand quit high

all wands have a mind of their own

[modern moth]

Oh

[stuck epoch]

if you arent the owner of a wand it wont work/not as good

and the wands choose the owner not the other way around

[modern moth]

But Harry used Malfoy wand

[stuck epoch]

yea he won against him

so the wand transferred ownership

[modern moth]

Draco was the true owner after dumbledores death, but when Harry defeated him Harry then became the owner

Ah ok

[stuck epoch]

if you duel and lose your wand will go to the person who won 99% of the time

[modern moth]

All this time i thought Snape was enemy but then only realised he is a good guy and double agent

[stuck epoch]

always has been

well not always

but since before the movies/books started

[modern moth]

He did save Harry during first quidditch

Using incantation

Little bit

[stuck epoch]

he saved harry all the time

in every movie/book

he is one of the reasons why harry is even alive

[modern moth]

I seriously need to read the book

[stuck epoch]

you can see him save harry in the movies as well just gotta know what hes doing and why

isnt that transparent which is a good thing

[modern moth]

I think Draco changed after this

He even created a time machine

Or Turner i think

[stuck epoch]

he didnt create anything for all i know

but he did change after the war ended

[worthy trench]

Movie's of showing him he wasn't the master of the wand basically. It even cracks under the strain of the spell whether due to resisting him or the sheer power behind the spell though i think it would be to handle it if thats not even using its own full power

[worldly isle]

Yes you do my man , there’s so much in them that movies don’t tell

[worthy trench]

How LV learned in the book the and wasn't working fully isn't seen on page but he just noticed he was only using his own magic and not power beyond what he could normally do

[sick night]

I wonder if Tom's ruined soul could ever be pulled out of Limbo.

[stone matrix]

Ghost of Voldemort?

That would be… such an interesting concept. Can a ghost be evil? What evil could they do… how would anyone stop them. Only danger we’ve seen to ghosts is the basilisk

[random moon]

Voldy can’t one back as a ghost. There’s not enough soul left. He’s stuck in limbo because there’s not enough of his soul left to go either way, either to the living world as a ghost, or beyond the veil

[sick night]

Yeah, he's trapped in Limbo forever. The only bit of soul he had left was the fragment that inhabited his body.

I'm just wondering if it could ever be ripped out of limbo by someone.

[random moon]

I doubt it. Bringing people back from the dead is impossible. The resurrection stone doesn’t bring them back properly, it just calls their souls from beyond the veil but they’re not a whole being.

[sick night]

I wonder if Herpo is trapped in Limbo too.

Or maybe he's still alive.

[random moon]

There’s every chance Herpo is still alive. He was the first to create a Horcrux. And no one knows what object he bound part of his soul to.

He could still be living. But not in a traditional sense. Remember when Voldy’s Killing curse rebounded on him, he remained because of his Horcruxes but was left in a non physical form more like a spirit. He could possess the bodies of some small animals and eventually latched onto Quirrell’s body like a parasite.

Voldy used the resurrection ritual to reform his old body from the rudimentary one he and his followers managed to make. But that ritual requires some very specific ingredients, like blood of the enemy.

Herpo’s enemies are all long dead. He’s got no chance

[worthy trench]

I'd reckon he's dead cos it was learned he made the first Horcrux

So i'd imagine someone learned what it did and what it was

and destroyed it

and killed him

Someone did learn all the info we know about em recorded it all at some point regardless

[worthy trench]

Unless he possessed and overpowered his host's will enough to force them to make a Horcrux rendering their host's body immortal

Or made their host use the Imperius curse on themself to gain full control of the body assuming that can even work.

[sick night]

I wonder if being permanently trapped in Limbo is the standard for all Horcrux creators when they're finally killed for good.

[random moon]

Voldy only ended up trapped there because he split his soul so many times. Currently only Herpo and Voldy are the only known dark wizards to create Horcruxes. Herpo only did it once though.

It’s considered the darkest magic one can do as it goes against the natural order of things and even against the natural laws of magic too. It’s the ultimate foul twisting of magic.

[sick night]

Yeah, it's why Dumbledore removed Secrets of the Darkest Art from the library and put it in his personal collection.

[worthy trench]

probably

We know other most likely made Horcruxes as the info is in books

though not easy to find obviously

and the concept is known regardless to some people

I have some potential horcrux makers - a wizard who inspired Korshei the Immortal from folklore.

[random moon]

It’s not just a ask of learning how to make one from the book.

We don’t know exactly what goes into making a Horcrux. JKR once wrote out the process and her editor nearly puked, so it was taken out and she’s never revealed exactly what one has to to to make one.

So it’s safe to assume that whatever it is, it goes beyond simply murdering someone, though killing is involved in part.

Whatever the steps needed. They may be something hard for anyone but the most depraved and desperate Dark Wizards with ergo morals

[sick night]

I believe she was asked what the spell incantation is, and to this day, she refuses to reveal what it is.

[stuck epoch]

she did write it but a producer (or someone like that) of the books told that its to gruesome so it never got revealed

[worthy trench]

Its probably something along the lines of ancient greek for "split my soul"

or something

[gray anvil]

Everything is possible...

[upper widget]

Hello my Lord 🤩

[gray anvil]

Hello my friend

[amber bluff]

Apparently made the person that read it puke, though I doubt it.

Or the person she explained it to.

[stuck epoch]

Yup

[amber bluff]

During the period of my TTRPG for the WW, my party and I have formulated various possibilities for the Horcrux, but it falls into a category of magic we created to fix some of JK’s plot holes - Blood Magic, this category also features things like the Rudimentary Body potion and a few other bits.

The only actual piece of info we have is that it involves a spell. So I think the whole “my editor puked” is just a bit of drama added to give it some mystique. Nothing we’ve formulated is that ridiculously heinous, and to be honest, I’ve always doubted that her version is. Humans haven’t been squeamish in that regard for a v long time 🤣

Maybe her editor was the most squeamish person on the planet, that’d explain it.

And btw, to whoever said Herpo the Foul might still be alive, Horcruxes are not defined in the same way as a philosopher’s stone. For all we know, Horcruxes do not hinder the aging process, which means death by old age is still a thing for anyone with a horcrux; they can just utilize a horcrux to come back when they inevitably die. Herpo only had one (obvi that we know of, but he was a busy guy, being the Dark Arts pioneer we all love), so he only had one chance to return after death by old age. Which, considering the fact he lived in ancient Greece is enough.

The only conditions for immortality where a horcrux is concerned, is that you are given the ability to return after death.

[worthy trench]

Only if someone time travels to the the past before your demise, which technically is not resurrection back to life and might not be changing the timeline you are in but making a new timeline seperate from the one the time traveler left and thus not affect your state of existence at all.

I would assume a horcrux does prevent the death by natural means as LV decided against the elixir as he would be dependent on regular doses and risk contamination or stone destruction. But we don't actually know

[amber bluff]

He died when he was 70 something, he didn’t have time to think about that.

[umbral mortar]

71

[umbral mortar]

Ooh that's interesting. I wonder at what time period he lived?

I read a bit. Could be 12th century

[opal cedar]

I was wondering on thing, can dark wizards conjure a patronus ? Cause I've heard some things like, if you become too emo the witch or wizard can't use it anymore

[amber bluff]

Koschei the Deathless is where the idea for Horcruxes come from. It’s Russian folklore about a man that uses a spell to hide his soul in objects.

[amber bluff]

That’s correct, the patronus can only be conjured by the pure of heart. An unworthy wizard will die when trying to cast it, at least the wizard Raczidian died when maggots erupted from his wand and devoured him.

[craggy moon]

i can see myself accidentally casting it then get mad at myself for forgetting

[amber bluff]

🤣

Well, Raczidian tried to use it to fend off the mouse patronus of a witch called Illyus. Pretty stupid use imo haha

Considering he had an army of dementors with him

[opal cedar]

Oh, so if we take the dark path and that the dementors are coming for us because we used an unforgivable spell, we're screwed ? Unless there are other spells to get rid of them ?

[worthy trench]

Yah in-universe - Korshei folklore and phylacteries are likely inspired by Horcruxes so odds are there have been a few makers of them between Herpo and LV

We know its not just pure of heart who can conjure patronus as Umbridge proved

One can be an evil bitch and conjure one

[opal cedar]

Mhhhm we shall see in game

[amber bluff]

She’s a hateful, but very talented witch. Rowling herself said that Umbridge is one of the few dark arts enthusiasts that can conjure a patronus.

Snape being another, the thing to note is that neither character is truly “evil”, just spiteful.

And obviously, Snape has his own morality arc going on, so he’s exempt from most concerns of morality.

If she caved in and used the cruciatus curse on Harry, we may have seen a different outcome.

[worthy trench]

I put Umbridge in the evil camp when you do the stuff she does

[rare knot]

But she was woefully incapable of removing any of the Weasley's pranks that the other Teachers could do in seconds. Tbh she seems pretty inconsistent in her magical ability.

Also do we know where Grindelwald was born? I'm guessing Austria, but it hasn't been confirmed?

[vivid owl]

Well there's little to nothing about a Patronus that makes it uncastable by a dark arts practitioner, it really just needs a strong positive emotion/memory to use.

So technically someone like Bellatrix who takes pleasure in torturing people could use the memory of such to power a patronus potentially.

[vivid owl]

Also she was about to before Hermione jumped in with saying there was a weapon.

[sonic lagoon]

So we know its set in the 1800s, but when. As if its 1830 or later, then the Hogwarts Express should be there. But if its before 1830, how would they travel to the school

[agile hornet]

1890

[sonic lagoon]

Ah ok! Ty!

[stuck epoch]

If we go down the dark path the dementors wont really come for us as we are not the kinda food they like

[whole schooner]

They want happiness not depression

[stuck epoch]

The reason why dark magicians dont need the patronus is cause they are used against things that dont really threaten them, generally speaking

[random moon]

Happiness and hope.

It’s why they were used as jailers in Azkaban. They crushed the hopes and happiness of the prisoners which left them too emotionally weakened and hopeless to escape (save for a few)

Dementors don’t care if you’re bad or good. You’re still good to them. If you don’t have any happiness or hope they can just take your soul

[stuck epoch]

And also cause it’ll probably backfire so might as well just not take that risk

[stuck epoch]

Yea but dark magicians arent the preferred typ of food

[random moon]

The DE didn’t need to use the Patronus charm because the dementors were working with them. Because they were oromised to be free to roam and feed on anyone who wasn’t part of Voldy’s posse or working under him in some way.

Essentially Voldy was their way to free, uninhibited feeding on whoever they wanted, magical or Muggle

[stuck epoch]

They are food just not as high up on the liking list

[random moon]

Dementors aren’t picky about their food.

They’re parasites. Anything they can leech off them is enough. Then they’ll move on once their prey is done with (the Dementors Kiss) then they’re off to find new prey

[stuck epoch]

Yes isnt voldy truly kind

[random moon]

Basically

The Ministry: Look stay in this prison and listen to us and you can feed on all the prisoners, easy food without needing to roam right?

Voldy: Nah bro, eat who you want, just not my underlings and we’re all good yeah? Nice

Dementors are aware enough to be able to follow instructions but they have no loyalty to anyone bit themselves.

They’ll work with whoever’s offering them the best meal ticket.

[sick night]

I thought she could only cast a Patronus because she was being strengthened by the piece of Tom's soul in the Slytherin necklace?

[vivid owl]

Surely Moldyshort's soul would make it more difficult to cast a patronus, considering it makes people angry and upset and less happy overall

[obtuse bolt]

if i had to come up with an in universe lore reason is that whislt she's awful and horrid she's not particularly a practisioner of dark arts and seems to be quite delusional and convicted to her illusions of righteousness. so whilst its patheticly weak shes able to conjure a patronus and the lockets influence gave her magical strength to make it coporeal, probably because the dementors either don't respect her enough to not eat her, or the people she was drumheading were irresistably tasty and they needed to be kept on some sorta leash so as to not just immediately feast on them, thus damaging umbridges illusions of due process.

she kinda has a roman thing going on where she makes things she does legal before doing them.

[sick night]

Someone as malicious as Dolores Umbridge would have an affinity rather than an aversion to it, and not be hindered by it.

[neat oyster]

hate dolores -- with a passion

[glossy skiff]

In total agreement

[modern moth]

Meow

[obtuse bolt]

The actor did such a good job

[stone matrix]

Oh yeah she’s an incredible actress. Played the character to perfection.

[prime yarrow]

Totally agree

[unkempt rapids]

My image for Morgan's personality is pomfrey mixed with umbridge

[astral echo]

Has anyone ever told you that you shouldn't blink fast?

[brittle pond]

👀

[weary harbor]

One thing I was always curious about, In the chamber of secrets when Harry uses the floo powder to travel to diagon alley and gets surrounded by all those creeps in knockturn alley did they know who he was ??

[vivid owl]

maybe, maybe not, I think it's mostly they saw a child and went "oh look, someone I can take advantage of"

there are meant to be hags in knockturn and they supposedly eat children

I say supposedly cos I doubt they do, they probably just eat more meat than a normal human

[weary harbor]

Ooooo intresting. I'm rewatching all the movies at the moment and just saw that scene. That part always intrigued me. The creepy lady that stopped him looked very hag-ish lol

[stuck epoch]

May or may not be a hag but: a lost child who doesnt know where he is and is alone while also being in the dark arts ally? Yea no someone will want to kidnap him or something.

[stone matrix]

I would have gone for something more Snape like maybe mixed with say… Ginny

[unkempt rapids]

True that's better

[trim sparrow]

The one thing I didn't get was the amount of times nobody believed harry when they could have used the pensieve to look over the memories that were withdrawn from harry

[umbral mortar]

If we talk about the ministry no believing about Voldemorts return then it doesn't matter. They were just blindly believing the lies regardless

[trim sparrow]

Oh I was just talking in general just using harry as an example couldn't they use it throughout the wizarding world

[umbral mortar]

Idk i guess

Although memories can be altered like slughorn does

[trim sparrow]

Yea exactly that the problem i ran into when I thought about it haha cause they would of tried it atleast once or twice in hearings at the MoM

[random moon]

There are probably rules about extracting the memories of underage wizards. Especially without the consent of a parent or guardian.

[ivory fossil]

Even when it was clear, they didn't want to see it, out of fear.

[random moon]

Yeah as far as they were concerned Voldy was gone, and causing a panic would be detrimental to their status as leaders.

So they went for the whole pretend it’s not an issue method.

[terse glade]

You know the tent in goblet of fire: it’s the got extension charm on it... like how does the physics work if someone inside cuts a hole in it and walks out like what’s the dimensions of it?

Same thing if someone crushed it from the outside how can the inside be bigger depending on where the person flattens it

[stuck epoch]

Dont think to much about it thats magic, normal science laws don’t apply here anymore

[celest sparrow]

in the books harry met draco on the train right?

[shy gyro]

Diagon Alley. Madam Malkins.

[celest sparrow]

okk

[umbral mortar]

Idk, this could perhaps break the charm or smth

[brisk saffron]

It’s Harry Potter

[worthy trench]

Well its bigger inside then outside. Its a tardis. Though if u destroy it outside then u probably the inside aswell

space and time still matter in magic afterall

Either u break the charm or u destroy the tent and whatevers inside all the same regardless of the size of the interior compared to exterior

[vivid owl]

I've seen a couple of theories about what happens to the stuff in an expanded space when the charm fails and it collapses.

The main thought seems to be that it generally all tends to get ejected out via whatever opening the space has, so out the open lid of a trunk, or between the entrance flaps of a tent.

There's also the possibility that it could end up much worse and collapse to quickly to eject things and so instead they get crushed as they are rapidly slammed into each other and the rapidly shrinking limits of the space. This also seems more likely to happen if the entrance to the expanded space is closed at the time.

[daring epoch]

Does anyone know of any bad (evil) huddle puffs in Harry Potter lore

[umbral mortar]

Hmm not really

In HPHM the hufflepuff prefect did some crime and went to azkaban after graduating hogwarts. The game isn't canon, so it's up to you to include that as a headcanon if you want

[compact sinew]

I read somewhere that there was no hufflepuff who did any evil

[daring epoch]

Thank you for that

[sinful heart]

Hufflepuffs are no holy angels like you think. Yeah, there is none register of any evil hufflepuff, but we sure break rules and do bad things sometimes. Just because you do some bad things or use some dark magic, that doesn't mean you're a dark wizard or a evil person. You're just human.
Hufflepuffs are commonly good people and tends to not practice dark magic, but that doesn't mean we can't, specially if we need it to protect our friends.

[umbral mortar]

I don't think that's true. All houses have made dark wizards. Hufflepuff just the least

[worthy trench]

Yes Jane, the devs clearly decided to have fun and give a nod to the memes and fan opinion of her due to the creepiness of her face and/or eyes so had her end up in Azkaban cos she's a clearly a dark wizard and/or Satan in fandom's eyes.

Her Patronus is a Dementer and it draws more Dementors to it not scare them off

[umbral mortar]

Yeah i knew about the whole joke thing. They made her evil becaue of that

[worthy trench]

Well creepier and dark at least

[umbral mortar]

Yes

[worthy trench]

Dunno why she attacked whoever but ya

Apparently a ministry person

Plot twist - it was Unbrigde

[umbral mortar]

Jane is a hero then 💪

[umbral mortar]

Wait what? Her patronus is a dementor?

[worthy trench]

In before that becomes fact in the story

[worthy trench]

Yes cos she's clealy Satan or his spawn

More memes from fans

[umbral mortar]

Indeed

[umbral mortar]

Ok so we know that Professor Dippet was very old. According to the movies he was born in 1637, and died in 1992, so he was over 300 years old. But in actual canon we don't know his age, as the books don't mention it, only movies. So it's possible that he wasn't actually 300 years old.

[shy gyro]

Nicolas Flamel got super old even by wizarding standarts.

If Dippet actually was that old, he saw the actual witch hunts with his own eyes. He was born into a persecuted minority and saw it transition into a secret society.

Would be very interesting to hear his perspective on all that

[random moon]

Nicolas Flamel had the Elixir of Life though.

[shy gyro]

Yes. Him and exactly how many people more?
I see theories about Merlin and Morgana playing an important role in the story. And I do agree that it is likely that there is some importance to their legacy, but I don't think either of them will make an appearance as still alive characters. Because that would make them twice to 3 times as old as Nicolas Flamel or Sir Nicholas de Mimsy-Porpington.

[random moon]

Just him and his wife.

He never shared the Elixir of Life with anyone else and kept the method of creating the Philosophers Stone and The Elixir of Life you could create using it completely secret.

Because no one should live forever.

[vivid owl]

Hmm, makes you wonder if they ever had children and if so why didn't they give them the elixir?

Or mayhaps the elixir of life has the byproduct of making people unable to have children.

[random moon]

It’s unknown if they ever had kids.

Could be that a side effect of the potion was sterilisation while taking it.

Or they chose not to have any as that would mean making more Elixir of life for their kids and then for any other family that came along.

Which would increase the risk of the potion being stolen or any family being attacked or taken and ransomed for the Philosophers stone/Elixir of Life

[umbral mortar]

Somewhat makes sense. If you live forever, then there's no point in heir

[random moon]

Plus you’d have to create more Elixir of Life so all your descendants could also love forever and not outlive any of their descendants.

[vivid owl]

Depends if you can deal with the passing of a loved one or not, if you can then children is an opportunity and there could be loads of Flamels who are whatever great grandchildren of Nicholas and Perenelle

but watching your children grow old and die must suck

[random moon]

Yup which is probably why they chose not to, assuming that the Elixir of Life doesn’t just render you unable to have kids.

[vivid owl]

Really random lore thought, but magic must spoof radar, cos if not then the Beauxbatons carriage in book 4 would have happily looked like a bomber with fighter escort coming into British airspace.

Considering the Abraxans pulling it were meant to be the size of a small adult elephant, and the carriage was bigger than a 2-storey house. They definitely would have shown up on radar, no matter how out there a path they took.

[stuck epoch]

probably an invisibility spell on it

[vivid owl]

but that's for light, not radar

[stuck epoch]

like the car from the weasleys

i doubt any muggle technology works on magic even radar

else many things wouldve been spotted already

[vivid owl]

There's several people who use magic in muggle homes to no detriment, so no magic doesn't stop technology

not unless the magic is specifically designed to counter that piece of tech

[stuck epoch]

not what i said...

you cant find hogwarts with muggle means

[vivid owl]

well muggle means at that time

[stuck epoch]

so there is probably a spell like that on the carriage as well

[stuck epoch]

no. no muggle means at all

technology doesnt work near hogwarts

like phones dont work

and all that

[vivid owl]

Hogwarts maybe, but other things/places less infused with magic

also what about satellites, they aren't anywhere near?

[stuck epoch]

sure but the carriage may have a spell like that

[vivid owl]

that's why I said, muggle means at that time

[stuck epoch]

pretty sure satellites dont work on these things as well

[vivid owl]

especially because they do say that science is making it more difficult to stay hidden

[stuck epoch]

more difficult sure but not impossible

[stuck epoch]

and muggle means of that time is a torch

[vivid owl]

meaning that earth observation satellites like those used nowadays to find ancient cities under miles of dense jungle, might be able to pick up on magical places, even if it only sees them as ruins

[stuck epoch]

hogwarts for example is seen as only a ruin for muggles

and weird when taken on photo

dont think itll change whether or not you use a phone or a satellite as its magic

[vivid owl]

if distance makes the tech work right then it potentially would

but really I'm just speculating

[stuck epoch]

no indication of that tho

[vivid owl]

you literally said it earlier

[stuck epoch]

only ever stated that technology in general doesnt work near hogwarts and when taken a pic of it it looks weird regardless of distance

[vivid owl]

tech doesn't work near Hogwarts due to the amount of magic, so the closer it is to a heavy concentration of magic, the less it works right.

[stuck epoch]

its more due to the concealment spell on hogwarts that tech doesnt work

[vivid owl]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

the problem is we're nitpicking over a section of lore never detailed

[stuck epoch]

well its magic so it doesnt make sense anyways

[vivid owl]

beyond a few vague comments we don't have anything to go off of

[stuck epoch]

yup

[shy gyro]

With the Internet being a thing, and everyone carrying phones with cameras in their pockets, and the ability to put those pics on the Internet as soon as 2 seconds after taking it, obliviating and deleting stuff from the phone isn't enough anymore as of today.

[random moon]

Most Muggle tech doesn’t work in a magical environment like Hogwarts. At least in part due to the protective charms keeping it hidden.

I would expect that Wizarding settlements have similar effects due to the charts used to keep them hidden from Muggles.

[worthy trench]

within a certain radius it won't. nowadays we have tech that could probably spot it from space

Wizards wouldn't have accounted for such things back in the now. No one would have actually

[fading solstice]

hi

[stray skiff]

yo

[shy gyro]

Sure, but that doesn't apply to hikers spotting a Dragon.
And even in Harrys time, obliviating those people is a lot of work.
That workload must have increased exponentially since then.

Or security cameras picking up on people just vanishing... Especially in Britain, where in certain public spaces, every cubic centimeter is being watched.

[umbral mortar]

Would be interesting if wizards adapted and started using magical phones

[stuck epoch]

"hikers" arent muggle tech tho... there will always be things like that

[shy gyro]

They carry muggle tech, make a picture, upload it on twitter and facebook, and the ministry now gets to deal with that...

[stuck epoch]

for all i know they didnt do that tho

and even if they did how many would believe it

[shy gyro]

Ron mentioned it in the book.
Not the phone thing, but the muggles spotting dragons thing.

[random moon]

Probably the same as like Loch Ness Monster sightings and photos. The internet would just like it’s some CGI fakery because “dragons aren’t real lol”

[loud basin]

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[timid juniper]

So is there lore related to what wands can do depending on what they are made from?

[vivid owl]

yes