🙎┃character-guides

[turbid saddle]

need some help up on building a character

i need to build Tarka but dont know how!

[undone fern]

is tessa f1 or f2 better for solo's? Also how important are glyphs I just use the auto allocate button but should I not be doing that?

[signal ibex]

Tessa
Solos/Duos: F1V1
Trios: F1V1 or F2V1

Pretty important as they can enhance your game and combat experience

[signal ibex]

Tarka Ji
Solos: F1V1 or F2V1
Duos/Trios: F1V2 or F2V2

@undone fern @turbid saddle Check pins for more info

[undone fern]

ok thank you

[tawny swift]

[turbid saddle]

Thank you! but what about the glyph?

[signal ibex]

Pins

[slender stone]

[lunar tree]

you need to get all three pieces then you click ‘use’ on the item. You need 3 different pieces of the same weapon to craft the weapon

[lunar tree]

use it the same way you activate a telluric crystal

[autumn steppe]

hello

[slender stone]

Hi

[undone fern]

What is the better build for xunhuan li for solos? Also what are some good glpyhs for him. He is newer so I can't find either of these in the pins of this channel.

[feral fern]

[crisp heart]

which option for ult and ability is better for zenda wu

[lost dagger]

Depends on the mode. Her combo breaker is always good but in team modes the other f is a good option too. I use v1 for trios and v2 for solos and duos

[jovial shale]

What are Viper's best skills currently

[young gorge]

I like the F blast thingy, helps knocking/takedown people when they're on very low HP.

Been a Viper main since start, and will continue forever.

[jovial shale]

Viper Supremacy

Any tips for Tessa?

[young gorge]

Fr

[young gorge]

Nah man, never played.

[left river]

I have this glyph plan for her:

I'll explain in a hot minute

So, Tessa's main role is CC, that much is clear, but since she can ulti at 60% rage, she can be more aggressive, deadlier and more disruptive than other CC characters.

I decided to sacrifice every other bonus in favor of rage (ulti charge) gain with her, so that I can cast her ulti as often as I can. Since her Enchant ends after enemies take a hit, as opposed to Viper's stun, the most effective method, I think, is that you S P A M her ulti as often as possible (when the ulti hits an enemy, it also staggers them like a grey attack hit, so it's nice, too)

With this glyph plan, if I go in with 100% ulti to a trio fight, start with the ulti, go down to 40% charge, attack/get hit, generate rage, pick up a Soulbloom, get +10%, by then I'm at around at least 55-60%, can ulti again. Then, b/c I parried/picked up a bloom/killed, I also regenerate about 0.75% rage (educated guess) per sec for 15 secs, on top of the bonus boost to getting rage when attacking/being attacked/killing. Then I'm down to 0% or so, because of my second ulti, but regular fighting pushes it up to 20-30% really fast, so if the battle isn't over in ~10-15 seconds, I can ulti a third time as well, all this within at best 20 seconds

Since her CC ulti is kind of weak, the more you can cast it, the better

With the bonus after parry/kill/soulbloom, a parry and counterattack restored a whopping 21% rage for me, went from 22% to 43% in literally 2 seconds

Sure you won't get the luck or discount bonus,. but who cares if you can spam your ulti so many times? I could have sacrificed grappling bonuses for 40% starting rage, but honestly I don't feel like it's worth that much, since that bonus is only ever significant at the very start, so I decided to put the 2 remaining points into it for 20% starting rage, because there weren't any better options, but that's it

@remote gale I hope this has helped you understand her better 😄

I also use the tail strike F, not the Tap or whatever (the knockback one, not the AOE damage one), and, of course, the enchant CC ulti, not the damaging one

One downside to this is that since you don't have skill cooldown reduction b/c of rage gain, your skill is fixed at the original whopping 27 seconds cooldown, so you can maybe cast it 1x per battle, so be careful and mindful of when you cast is (save it for when it could save your life, rather than using it as a combo extender)

but this setup has worked for me really well in trios, carried me from Empyrean to Asura, provided I had competent teammates (started maining Tessa at around Empyrean I, but I confidently say that this setup for trios will work from Bronze V to at least Asura)

there is no bad or good time for her ulti, unlike Ning's (so don't worry whether you cast it at the beginning, in the middle of, or near the end of a fight), since you WILL be able to cast it at LEAST 2x like this

your one and only role is to beat that ulti key 24/7 like it owed you money 🤣

Sorry for the wall of text but I wanted to add all details 😢 ^^"

I mean I did manage to eliminate a complete enemy team as the only one surviving member of mine in Astral I just yesterday because of the insane amount of stun I dished out

granted, they had no ulti left and about 50-60% armor, but it still was a frigging 1v3

[chrome cliff]

40% initial rage is standard on tessa, its not worth going lower

f2 is meta and already was the best skill before everyone started playing it in akos comp

rather than spamming tessa ult, you should cast it when at least 1 opponent is animation locked or staggered and you have lineup to hit at least 1 more

good players will not fight seriously but only watch tessa always ready to dodge until she shoots her ult

that's why you have to make sure to get at least 1 guaranteed hit, even if it means ulting a few seconds later

you can skill less grappling distance for more initial rage

and I'd rather have CD than rage over time

f2 is about as strong as her ult

Just make sure to only hit targets that already used their combo breaker

[left river]

Waaait, F2? 😮 I never knew it's useful... 1 sec or something CC/pull and moderate damage at best; how is it used then?

[chrome cliff]

watch these #🙎┃character-guides message

[left river]

Yeah, I'm thinking the same, too, just forgot to add. "spam", as in, whenever there is at least 1 guaranteed hit, sorry for unclear wording.

[left river]

Thank you, will do so later

[left river]

Is it that important? 😮 I mean if you don't spawn directly into a spawn fight, by the time you face enemies, usually you have your ulti ready and/or within the first 2 hits traded

at least that is my own personal experience so far

[chrome cliff]

it's the difference between winning and losing hotdrop in high skill environment

almost all trio players run it on almost all characters

on tessa it is even more important than other characters

[left river]

that's true, no questions there 😄

thank you for the corrections and tips, though! ^^

[jovial shale]

@left river you the goat hope your pillow is cold tonite frfr

[left river]

full disclaimer that I'm not an expert player, nor do I play Tessa higher than at Asura 0 star currently, so obviously players like Fix Our Timeline's advices are way better, but in my experience, up to this pouint, it has worked well for me

[jovial shale]

That's fine. I'll take both advices to heart

@chrome cliff what's the main difference between f1 and f2 and v1 and v2

Also I just noticed they reduced the amount of character skills 😭
Haven't played in about a year so im rusty

[left river]

and reworked Yoto 😄

one of her ultis now isn't a floating ulti but she gets a Greatsword as a weapon like Zai does her chains and you run around hitting everyone with a BIG BOOM STICK for 25 seconds LEL

[jovial shale]

Reminds me of this

[jovial shale]

You can answer too @left river ion mind

[left river]

F1 close range 360° tail strike which knocks back enemies, can be used under attack, basically a get out of trouble free card with very limited range

F2 places a trap on the ground which has a small circular area, where if enemies enter, it triggers, dealing damage and pulling them closer like a black hole, bit for a short time

V1 is a cone-shaped ulti, like Lyam's, if you hit enemies with it, as the description says, places a ball at your potision, enemies who don't touch it (interact) for 1.5 secs will be stunned

V2 you jump in the air, smash down, create a ball which hits enemies in a wide area, same rule as V1, but instead of a stun, you deal damage at the end and heal yourself

[left river]

F1 also gives you a buff where if you would get staggered within 5 seconds of casting it, you trigger an effect same as the Explosive Armor souljade

[jovial shale]

Welp time to relearn this whole shtick

[left river]

She is MUCH easier than my short novel here makes her out to be 😂😂😂😂

[jovial shale]

Tbh i used to Main Viper and Valda but trying out sumn new

[left river]

I also main Valda in duos 🥰❤️

[jovial shale]

[jovial shale]

Lezzz goooo

I heard they nerfed Viper into oblivion

💀

[left river]

umm, no...??? not to my knowledge?

[jovial shale]

Ahhhh alrighty

[left river]

Cyra got nerfed to the ground xD

[jovial shale]

Never played her 😭 how bad is it

[fallen spindle]

a

[left river]

She was broken OP on releasey now IMHO they nerfed her so much she's borderline useless

But I rarely play her, Cyra main people, please correct me if I'm wrong

Her heals are half as effective as Kurumi's or Ziping's, her laser damage is OK but nothing to write home about (better off with a DPS hero then), her dazzle IS strong, but for CC, Tessa, Ning, or even Shayol (if you count her shield and counterattacks as CC) is much better

😂😂😂

Don't get me wrong, on release, she was brokenly OP, so the nerfs were welcome, but now with all the nerfs she got, you have to be a godlike player and play 25-26 hours a day (yes, sarcasm xD) with her to have some serious use other than to be an annoyance

Or at least that's my experience

[jovial shale]

Ive met only one Cyra player out in the wild and she got blitz so hard it is not even funny

[jovial shale]

But how are the newer legends compared to the oldies

[left river]

I have no clue 😂

[left river]

Her V1 ulti is still good in solo ranked

18 sec, huge range, OK damage and stagger

If she ultis in your face in solo, GL escaping her AND EVEN MORE GL surviving her IMMA FIRIN MAH LAAAZZZAAAAHHHHHHH for almost half a minute

But that's solo 😂

I faced one Cyra in solo ranked once

She mopped the floor with me like that

😂

Also, a question to veterans, because I'm as clueless as if I was looking for a grey donkey in the fog, maybe @chrome cliff or @signal ibex, any tips for me how to play against a Valda+Shayol combo in duos? Because for the life of me I cannot figure out a working strategy

Sure, as a Valda main, I can ulti and kinda keep one at bay for some time, but that's barely a "strat*, and even if I hit my F and 3 water spears, they only add up to about 10 secs of CC, and both their ultis last 22-25

I can count on one hand how often we were able to beat that duo, and since it's kinda meta now in ranked, we face off against them at least once every 2 matches

"run away" barely works with the utter hyperaggression of players in Formless rank

[chrome cliff]

in duos valda should not hit many spears tbh

you can dodge all spears

shayol is a bit harder to dodge because you have to do it on prediction

depends on how good shayol is

i'd say just scalerush until their ults are out

use Fs and Vs as needed

shayol valda doesn't have good offense

it's basically ult for HP and some mild stagger

comparable to fighting a kurumi, ziping or cyra

[jovial shale]

@left river was it ranked?

[left river]

I know but for some reason I cannot do it consistently, lol. Shayol's counters, I can dodge like 60-70% of the time, but Valda spears are a different beast for me

Also the issue is that since they have protection/CC, they usually rush us so hard that either 1 or the other stagger-locks us with grey attacks (or maybe Shayol does her shield bash rush), giving the other time to use a skill for CC and we are toast

[left river]

Yea, otherwise I wouldn't have any issues 😂

Thank you for the tips! Full disclaimer it's the first time in my life that I reached this high rank, so I'm well and truly aware that my skills as a player are lacking as of now for the rank, and I am learning a ton every day, just like I did when I first got to Solar/Empyrean (IMHO 2 big skill gap jumps), that's why I'm asking here if there's anything I should keep in mind

[left river]

The issue is (for me) that even a mild stagger is basically a guaranteed instadeath at this rank (Formless Dragon) due to the others' skills and aggression 😂 It's the same for our side as well, usually if 1 of my spears hit an enemy, or if my partner is a CC as well and theirs do, we kill the enemy if they don't have a fleeing skill like Lannie, Feria, etc. which can be used while CCd

Sorry for the late reply, it was 2 AM when I asked this, then I went to sleep XD

[chrome cliff]

valda is easier to dodge than shayol

[left river]

lmao for me it's the other way around, I'm not joking with you XD

[chrome cliff]

one can be dodged on reaction, the other only on prediction

you're struggling more with the one you can dodge on reaction

it makes no sense

[left river]

I know but it's still true XD Even in Solos, when I was up against a Shayol in her ulti, I triggered her blocks and dodged at least 2 out of 3 consistently instead of waiting it out, LOL

[chrome cliff]

you are probably dodging all on prediction even though you should dodge valda on reaction

there fixed your skill issue

fix timeline next pls

[left river]

Thank you, will try that consciously next time I face off against a Valda! ❤️

Never thought about it that way tbh lol

[lost dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-calm-coffee-gif-2708113315709123064

[slender stone]

a

[chrome cliff]

it's a common mistake to play on prediction against things that should be reacted against

prime example is heng focus LMB

you can dodge it on reaction, but if you try to dodge it on prediction, it will chase your dodge and hit you

there are many things like that in the game

[left river]

Yeah, or even the RMB after charged LMB. It literally catches enemies 90% of the time if they didn't parry the first charge, lol

[left river]

True, in any game with such combat. I guess my skill issue is that Valda's spears come out waaay faster than comfortable for me. I mean, I can semi-reliably dodge Inor's ulti attacks, but they at least have ample wind-up/telegraph of about half a second or so, with sound cues and are easier to see when they would come out because of Inor's big body's movement

[lost dagger]

You will get better at dodging them over time

Just tap dodge to the side for the longest dodge, and don't input any attack during your dodge animation so it isn't cut short

[left river]

Thanks for the encouragement! 😍🥰

[chrome cliff]

valda's spears don't come out fast at all actually

shayol is practically instant and not reactable at close range

for valda, you can hold blue up to the point where she throws it, and react to the throwing itself

don't react to her threatening the throw, but the actual throw itself (most valdas will hold their spear for a bit)

[left river]

Thank you both for the useful and helpful advice! 🥰🥰😍😍

So, in essence, I should treat Valda's spear throws as I would the parry bait blue focus charges where people either release it just before the 1sec mark or dodge and attack with a grey attack, right?

As in, react to the opposite of what one would expect

[true lance]

Any Akos player here who can help

Ive been playing him a bit more

But when i try and cancel his ult by holding C

V*

He always does atleast one of the tiger grab attacks before i can cancel it which wasted rage

Any workaround?

[lost dagger]

No you need to do the grab then hold v to cancel

[true lance]

Rip

Lol

Thanks

[austere panther]

What’s the best ult version of Lannie to use

[signal ibex]

Check pins

[cerulean raft]

Am I still considered a noob? How can I improve😅

[chrome cliff]

I dont think the concept of skill applies to showdown

its a casual mode

[scarlet dew]

technically it has leaderboards

and well getting top spots is not exactly easy

[lost dagger]

I don't play showdown but that's not fair to say. People put a lot of time and effort into making the best builds and getting the best times they can. No need to put others down just because they play a different mode than you

[chrome cliff]

it's a casual mode, there are no official showdown tournaments

im not putting anyone down, referring to oneself as a noob is effectively self-depreciation

differentiating between noobs and whatever the other categories are just makes no sense in showdown

people who wanna progress in that mode improve their parries and defuses, and watch douyin to copy builds like lotuses or ranged

naraka coats everything in leaderboards and competition, but its just a way of engineering engagement

like fresh accounts being the top 97 viper in Norfolk or whatever

[scarlet dew]

well then every mode is casual mode in global

IW with 8 teams format is used, not available in ranked queues

[chrome cliff]

yeah anything that isn't custom lobbies with scrim settings is casual

that's why it also makes very little sense to take a screenshot of your position on the leaderboard and ask "am i a good player"

rating exists to drive engagement, not to reflect how good a player is

would be a different story if naraka had a working rating system, but right now anyone can play more to rank up, regardless of how good or bad they are

[old monolith]

@chrome cliff everyone on NA is medicore compare to immortal/tryhard/hypernova

like even top 10 is like a freekill for them

[quick hornet]

What's wrong with being mediocre these days ...

[blissful siren]

The scrim mindset is poor, call of duty folk have the same mindset. Casual does not = less skilled, it also doesn't mean someone can't be proud of their achievements in casual modes, they've worked for it after all, just as those in scrims or ranked would. Nothing wrong with being a casual player or "mid" player so long as we all have fun 💕

[lost dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-zoning-out-cat-stare-black-cat-black-cat-tiktok-stare-gif-6568742496074847242

[old monolith]

thats true , i love being medicore:c

just answering new ppl questions on skills, just play for fun tbh

[quick hornet]

Can't be good at everything, gotta pick your battles 👍

[cerulean raft]

What modes do you guys play

And thanks for the advice? Ig 😅

[signal glade]

I’m kinda boring and just play ranked. Have been meaning to play Rift Traversal soon though.

[cerulean raft]

Am I the only one that doesn't like rift traversal?😅

[signal glade]

Im sure you’re not alone lol

[chrome cliff]

ranked, mostly trios

[chrome cliff]

isn't it logical that most casual players are less skilled than most competitive-minded players?

there is nothing wrong with that ofc, but they are still in different positions on the skill spectrum

[scarlet dew]

arent top "casual" players better than NBPL pros in CN?

they just dont compete because stream money is better

[chrome cliff]

that's a different topic i think

kelie when he didn't compete in tournaments was arguably better than some of the nbpl players

but i wouldn't describe him as a casual player

if kelie only played pve, he sure as hell would be less skilled than nbpl players

that doesn't make nbpl players better people

but they are still more skilled

going in circles here

[scarlet dew]

but maybe he would be insane in showdown

and get rank 1 every hero or something

[chrome cliff]

good luck trying to defuse mike's light attacks in nbpl lol

[scarlet dew]

i think "casual" just indicates relationship to time spent in game

[blissful siren]

Not really no. Casual doesnt = less skilled, comp players are also on the same skill spectrum.

[blissful siren]

^

[scarlet dew]

ye and same good luck trying to learn agnivat moveset in BR without bosses

[chrome cliff]

it's not even about time imo

in season 1 and 2 i was one of the players who had the most hours played in EU

i was still a casual player because i was onetricking kurumi and random queueing, learning almost nothing about the game and being hardstuck skill-wise

[scarlet dew]

i dont think u were casual

u could say u were bad or onedimensional

but not really casual

if u play naraka 24/7

[blissful siren]

I play naraka 2/24 and sometimes 6/24, 4/7, am I casual? 😂

[scarlet dew]

literally by definition

[scarlet dew]

doesnt look like it

8-24 hours/week

quite a lot

[blissful siren]

What if its 8-24hrs one week and 6hrs the next week?

[scarlet dew]

XD

[blissful siren]

I'm joking I'm joking

[chrome cliff]

anyway I dont understand this whole argument

[scarlet dew]

what if u dont play one week, then play 24/7 7/7 next week and die from heart failure

[chrome cliff]

what's wrong with comparing people's skill level

[scarlet dew]

the point is u cant compare apples to oranges, different modes require different skillsets, with some overlap between them

u can be super tryhard showdown player grinding rank 1 all year

and know every single boss move

or u can be JCUP winner

or u can be best rat matari in rift traversal

[chrome cliff]

then what would you tell someone who asks: "am I still noob" with an account that has 10 hours of playtime exclusively in pve

[scarlet dew]

well if he is clearly showdown player, i would advise him on what to do next in showdown

from screenshot i can see his souljades are still far from optimal in terms of stats

maybe his builds need to be looked into

if he is showdown player, so be it

he can be showdown noob or showdown rank 1 skibidi sigma

[chrome cliff]

I give up

[scarlet dew]

u can also consider spirit of his question instead of trying to go by some textbook definition

guy is clearly excited he got up some jade builds with ok stats and cleared some yama stages (showdown ranked)

he is basically asking " am i doing well for a newbie?"

[chrome cliff]

yeah the spirit of the question is: I wanna feel good about myself, please help me achieve that

and I'd rather redpill others than making them feel they are doing great in everything

[scarlet dew]

i mean if u answer it truthfully its not really some super praise

he has a lot of work still before he becomes showdown skibidi sigma

[chrome cliff]

if they are concerned about how others see them, the truthful answer is that grinding showdown isnt gonna make them respected more by others

[scarlet dew]

its gonna make them respected in showdown community

u can argue its smaller community than BR

[chrome cliff]

best case, top1 showdown guy might be seen as a nerd with a niche interest

by general naraka population

like an alien who lives in another world from the rest of us

[scarlet dew]

i mean showdown is much different than BR

its like comparing elden ring player to naraka player almost

and tbh if u wanna be the most "beloved" player by community

u would probably want to become big streamer

rather than tournament winner

[chrome cliff]

haha and even that doesn't work

even if you're the nicest guy, you will always have some haters

[scarlet dew]

besides frankly naraka community is toxic in general

[chrome cliff]

more visibility means getting more attention from the good and the bad people

[scarlet dew]

its not really worth it to make it big for public applause

[chrome cliff]

that can be said about anything

heroes are engineered for propaganda purposes and otherwise dont exist

even jesus has bad press

[nocturne pivot]

Correct my ignorance given I am still new, but I was told that solo rank is where it is at for individualize fundamental combat skill and trio is more team comp. Personally I feel that there is a lot more blues, parry and team comp in trio, not seeing a catch to a ls infinite in trio unless it's 1v1. I also see some solo players look down on trio players and saying that's it's an unskill mode, but I feel that a lot of good trio players are also good solo players which contradict that. Bottom line is just have fun, self improve and not nitpick.

[scarlet dew]

solo and trios both have some overlap in skill and some clear differences

its gonna be easier becoming good trio player if u are first decent at solos at least though

u dont wanna be a deadweight when u need to kite enemy to get away or do a basic combo when u need

overall its harder to perform in trios because u have 3 people

its rly hard to coordinate and deal with human factor

[nocturne pivot]

Definitely, especially with no mic, and queue in with randoms for trio, it makes it a very interesting experience for me lol. A buddy keep telling me to play more solo and custom to improve basic fundamental. But man the chaos in trio despite dying or not is fun as heck. When I play solo, it feels like I am always on edge, oh well, I guess I have to embrace that to get better.

[scarlet dew]

naraka is entirely unplayable with randoms without comms

[nocturne pivot]

Borderline a form of torture and hell, living up to its name 😂

[scarlet dew]

also ultimately biggest problem in trios is

u need to find 2 ppl u enjoy playing with

that also enjoy playing with u

and u have compatibile schedules

and other stuff

[nocturne pivot]

Agree, and also not minding losing streaks before winning and improving together

[blissful siren]

Team building

[nocturne pivot]

Hi also, if you enjoy showdown, check the showdown tag. Some of the players there including xzer0x, have great knowledge about different build, they are good resources

[sly pumice]

@.@

[chrome cliff]

if you want to play trios you have to know the basics from solos, or else you're wasting your time

if someone plays trios without having played solos before, I think it makes sense for other people to look down on them

not saying that looking down on other people is a good thing to do, but I understand it in this example

[blissful siren]

Is someone able to point me in the direction of glyph recommendations for characters? I'm having trouble finding it

[finite burrow]

https://youtu.be/cCackuyYBwI?is=6g3UtAkpzJ1Lzuye

Might help

[blissful siren]

Thank you so much!

[nocturne pivot]

I agree just like for the other player who enjoy building their showdown build

[nocturne pivot]

agree this was mentioned by ImbaSkillz above

[empty swallow]

saying trios is a no skill mode is ignorant

a lot of solo players who haven't played trios would not last long there

but yes it's true that you need skills from solo mode to be good in trio

[nocturne pivot]

"I also see some solo players look down on trio players and saying that's it's an unskill mode, but I feel that a lot of good trio players are also good solo players which contradict that." I agree, what those players say seem contradictory

[empty swallow]

it's just classic "what i play is the hardest, what others play is no skill so im better"

[nocturne pivot]

I couldn't agree more, toward the end of the day, it's a game that meant to be enjoyed, some enjoy rank solo, rank duo, rank trio, iw, some enjoy playing showdown, some enjoy rift, capture spirit well, Golden roc, blessed brutality, custom etc... people shouldn't throw shade at others for what they enjoy playing or improving in that one particular niche

[empty swallow]

yeah

personally i would say trios is the real test of skill

it demands a broader set of skills and teamwork

[livid bone]

Tbf, trios and solos are fundamentally different. While skills from each modes can complement each other, it’s not fair to just assume one is more difficult than the other

And realistically, no one really start off playing trios :/ You’d at least experience solos before dropping straight into teams

[nocturne pivot]

is duo a good in between in your opinion for trio and solo?

[empty swallow]

it's neither

duo is its own thing

for fun mode with a friend

[livid bone]

Me and my friends calls it the quick match of rank since in my experience, it’s a combination of both trios and solos.

In duos, you can 1v2 per se

And it’s easier in a way

[empty swallow]

pretty much it's casual mode

[livid bone]

Yup, pretty much

[nocturne pivot]

Sounds fun, maybe I should play duo more next season. Right now, I just play whatever I can queue in fast with queue time, which is another topic on another thread in this server that unfortunately will likely have a never ending discussion XD

[livid bone]

Tbh, if u just wanna chill and learn at the same time, I’d recommend quick matches or bot mode

Ngl bots are better than the majority of players anyways

Sparing with them will help a bunch

[nocturne pivot]

yeah I pretty much play anything naraka related, going to be one of those "Jack of all trades, master of none" kind of player. In the end it's just for the enjoyment value

[livid bone]

Tbh, once u grasped the basics, u can jump into any mode without any issues. Though in teams, the key is to compromise and adjust

Plus, become a Tarka main I’m preaching cause it’s fun

[empty swallow]

the only issue is

how many teammates do you have

if you have enough for trios, i say just go for it

best mode imo

duo is cool to just chill with one mate or try synergy with your team, but trios is so much more fun to me

playing trios with randoms is just eugh

they dont listen to anything and have no clue how to play

but if u have ur own team, it's a great experience

[chrome cliff]

can't stress enough how important this point is, people who go straight into trios before playing solos generally build a habit of getting hit by Fs or getting hit in the back like that's a normal thing to do

solos teaches you to keep track of enemy abilities and play around them, and it teaches you camera control

for someone new to the game, trios is so overwhelming that it feels unrealistic to keep track of everything, but good players do it

usually by learning it in solos first and then applying it in trios

[nocturne pivot]

I may know the answer already, but out of curiosity, which mode you prefer most and why?
Also, for a new player, once getting slightly decent with the fundamentals above and starting to tap into the trio rank, who are some good balance heroes to start using and reasons why they are good in trio. I know that the othe player mentioned tarka above.

[chrome cliff]

i like trios best

for beginners i recommend viper and temulch, you can play them in all game modes and they have a strong neutral focus

many other characters tend to become a comfort zone if onetricked, which makes beginners hardstuck

[lost dagger]

This is not true. Bots don't play or function like players and you will learn bad habits fighting bots

[livid bone]

Bad habits such as? I’m interested to hear why you think so since from experience, sparing with bots definitely helps

[blissful siren]

Sparring with bots helped me grasp certain moves/combos to apply in games so it can be beneficial

[livid bone]

Most certainly. While I agree they don’t function like humans, they can guide newer players towards their own play style

Plus, if you can win a hard no fill trios bot lobby, you’re pretty set to play any modes

[lost dagger]

They function with 0 ms so timing for most things are different, parryjng especially. Bots also don't think like players, they are terrible at chasing, and sometimes they do impossible things too. I mean as a brand new player learning the game it's fine for just learning to press buttons and basic interactions, but you are playing against bots in your first few ranked games regardless. It's way better to learn vs players so you can get an actual feel for the game

[livid bone]

You do know that parry timing varies between individual players, right? It’s not a bot exclusive issue. For chasing, it’s fundamentally the same. Even if they’re terrible, how you counter it is no different with real players.

At the end of the day, you have to play the game to know the game, bots are just a better alternative to the limited player base

Matter of fact, bots have offer consistently parry timing than every players in the game.

[austere panther]

Help on Matari???

[livid bone]

Specifically?

[austere panther]

Ability setup and glyphs

[twilit coral]

Any tips for zenda?

[livid bone]

Idk much about her glyph but for her abolites, r u using V1 or v2

[nocturne pivot]

So does that means against real players with different Ms, my parry timing etc will be different so basically I am playing against a moving target, how can I bet consistent and get better then? Some players seem like the are parry monster, and everything are automatic guarantee for them

[livid bone]

To set up her kit, once you gain some distance, charge blue then teleport. Once you teleported to them, release instantly

[livid bone]

This also depends on your own ms as well. If you have a higher ping, you’ll get delayed parries and it goes the same vice versa. If you have low ping but are going against higher ms players, there’ll be a mili sec delay in their release

The thing about parry timing is to anticipate them. It’s nearly impossible to parry on reaction. There are so many nuances to this, so I’ll just leave it up to experience. The more u play the game, the better ur feel for it gets

[nocturne pivot]

Ty, so all prediction no reaction

[wise wharf]

some attacks are parryable on reaction , but most of them is just prediction

[olive sun]

That's if ur ping is low

I'd say at like 50+ ms ping, all succesful parries are prediction

[nocturne pivot]

Yeah, 55 on a good day but average around 60-65

[tawny swift]

[livid bone]

Mine’s 17-25 and against 70+ just can’t be reacted

[indigo mulch]

🎉 | 冰溪冰晰冰汐 leveled up!

[livid bone]

but it does make it 10x easier to parry

[chrome cliff]

you're playing the wrong kit, the other 2 abilities are used with matari

f2 is better than f1 because it deals damage or sets up combos

v1 is better than v2 because it counters viper and xunhuan, while v2 is just asking to get parried

[minor heart]

is there a site to check which glyphs are the best to use?

[chrome cliff]

v2 doesn't really do anything except move you to your enemy; you can just move to your enemy yourself instead

[chrome cliff]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPIkVk7-CkU

if you are a new player, just play the generic glyph page

[scarlet dew]

both her ults are basically useless though

its just v1 counters viper

this is the only reason for matari existence in any trio comp

but also i want to add that V1 matari, while it gives some benefits to team like F refresh or tiny bit of lifesteal, is extremely weak for matari herself

its just 2 Fs basically

the entire ult

1 good TP with GS can actually oneshot someone with V2

and in duos i'd for sure run V2 instead of V1 honestly

[chrome cliff]

the last time v2 was good was when it didnt have a sound queue and parries didnt work in 360°

that was more than a year ago

I wouldn't recommend matari to any new player, but if you want to run her, at least play the right ult

[low meteor]

imho, if you play just for fun - it doesn't matter which ult/build you run 🤔

[scarlet dew]

u can also TP and hold check 0.5 sec

[scarlet dew]

agree i wouldnt recommend to new player

but realistically v1 for new player will be just randomly timed ult into 2 panic Fs without charging or doing combos

[austere panther]

Gotcha thanks man

[chrome cliff]

yeah but then there would be no point in this channel

in this channel, people ask about what's recommended

answering every question with: it doesnt matter, just do what's the most fun for you isn't really catering to user intent

they already know that

[livid bone]

Tbh, just choose which is best fit to your play style

[chrome cliff]

and they can take the recommendations in this channel, ignore them and do what they want instead

[chrome cliff]

lmao the play style argument

"I choose a bad ability that no competitive player plays because it's my playstyle"

like bruh

find someone who plays this in China on top level and makes it work, emulate it, and then you can talk about playstyle

the skill ceiling in this game is so high, most people are bad at it even when they run the strongest characters with the strongest kits possible

beginners choosing non-viable abilities don't have a playstyle

they just do whatever they feel like, but it's not something anyone should copy

[livid bone]

If we talk about viable heroes/ abilities, Matari wouldn’t even be in the conversation outside of solos.

No one is literally countering your points, but play style is one aspect of choosing what characters/ skills you’d like to use (for casuals)

[chrome cliff]

what do you mean by outside of solos?

matari is bad in solos, not trios

[scarlet dew]

sometimes the meta setup just feels so awful to play it may be better to go with theoretically worse option

[chrome cliff]

in trios she is actually played as a viper counter that gives an F refresh to teammates

[scarlet dew]

i havent seen matari in a long time

[chrome cliff]

but with V1, not V2

[livid bone]

Yeah, no one really uses her in high rank. I get that

[scarlet dew]

except maybe some random 1 of pick in hero points starved scenarios

[chrome cliff]

the EU scrim 8 days ago had matari comps

a lot of teams practiced yueshan matari inor/xunhuan, copying Chinese teams

in yesterday's scrim, everyone was using a shayol version of the comp instead of matari

there are 4 versions of that comp in total

with feria, shayol, inor and matari

[scarlet dew]

sooo basically she is played in 0.25 comps

doesnt look too promising if u ask me

[chrome cliff]

some teams still run zai matari cyra

[scarlet dew]

rivelia u mean

after buying star skin

XD

[chrome cliff]

we're also gonna play it

at least experiment more with it

since the inor nerf its viable

[scarlet dew]

what inor nerf

[chrome cliff]

and there are a lot of vipers in EU

[chrome cliff]

the nerf where hitting enemies in his impale breaks them free

and damage reduction

from a few weeks or months ago, dont remember exactly

[scarlet dew]

hmmm

i dont remember such nerf

i only read about his ult not being cancelled during execution if it expires

[chrome cliff]

the main reason you didn't want to run matari was that inor is the perfect matari killer

but since inor is a bit weaker, you can make matari comps work

[scarlet dew]

i think main reason is that matari is utter dogshit vs everything that doesnt have viper

[chrome cliff]

depends on the team ofc

[chrome cliff]

having 3 zai Fs or 2 yushean impales can be nice

she doesnt do much on her own, but she is supporting the team

[scarlet dew]

can be nice but also having 3 ults can be nice

[chrome cliff]

matari still has her Fs

its like tessa, her fighting power is split 50-50 between ult and f2

I would even argue that her f2 is better than her ult

it does the same thing as the ult, but it doesnt cost rage

and the cooldown is short

or kurumi, her f is about as good as her ult

and yueshan as well lmao

hit a terror on enemy monk in transformer fight, and it becomes very one-sided

[scarlet dew]

i cant find any info about inor nerf

[chrome cliff]

they reduced the impale damage and they made it so that teammates can grief impales

these changes

it was a while ago

[scarlet dew]

this had to be ages ago

[chrome cliff]

it is now slightly harder to explode someone impaled by inor

[scarlet dew]

execution dmg nerf was super old

[chrome cliff]

he used to be even stronger than currently

[chrome cliff]

yup

[scarlet dew]

he received super buff last patch tho

[chrome cliff]

and my point is that matari comps are viable since that nerf

[scarlet dew]

execute not cancelling is huge

idk about that one, seems like very arbitrary reason for meta shift

[chrome cliff]

at least they have a niche presence in scrims again

[scarlet dew]

matari needs to have viper countering removed from her kit

and be buffed to be real hero

[tawny swift]

[chrome cliff]

she is somewhat similar to yueshan

he is also not a real hero arguably

and super clunky to play

inor feels like what should have been yueshan

[scarlet dew]

agreed

[tawny swift]

[hearty turret]

😮‍💨

[hearty turret]

Wuchen

Do you like Wuchen?

[jovial shale]

Any Kurumi tips

[olive sun]

• Cut the tether
• Her ult purifies bad effects
• You gotta do damages too not just heals
• Dont go in first

[jovial shale]

And what about her v and f

[cobalt plover]

is justina generally considered harder or easier than valda in solos?

I wanna pick up the easier one until I have really solid fundamentals

[lost dagger]

valda might be easier, since she gets another health bar and justina has a higher skill ceiling but you should just play both of them if u find them interesting. just takes practice to improve

[scarlet dew]

valda is one of the most new player friendly characters

justina however

v1 justina for new player is basically hero without ult

even she doesnt even do much until u are really good

v2 justina is easier mechanically but its not that strong

and is reliant on smart ult pacing and positioning, predicting enemy movements

[cobalt plover]

so she’s basically horrible if youre horrible and insanely good if youre insanely good

i fw that

[scarlet dew]

u mean justina?

not valda

[cobalt plover]

yeah

[scarlet dew]

yeah pretty much

maybe this insanely good is a little bit much, but she is really good in good hands

[cobalt plover]

im wondering if its something that requires you to get good specifically at using justina or if my general skill from playing others will transfer?

[cobalt plover]

who would u say has the highest skill ceiling

[scarlet dew]

some of it justina specific ( u need to know how to cancel dash etc)

but mostly u need general game skill

[scarlet dew]

probably tarka as he can do basically whatever he wants

[cobalt plover]

Id love to start using her now and get good at her but I dont want my early games to be miserable if yk what i mean

[cobalt plover]

interesting

[scarlet dew]

also how much fps u have ?

[cobalt plover]

200-240 but i got 70 ping

[scarlet dew]

should be fine then

justina dash is kinda ass with low fps

[cobalt plover]

im pissed I cant do long sword focus combos lmao

but im consistent with my grapple uppercut 211 combo

ls is my favourite weapon for sure

[cobalt plover]

what do u think about viper?

and zenda

[scarlet dew]

viper is like casino character but ur odds of doing something scale with how good u are (and ur team, since she is ass in solo)

even if u are the most garbage viper on planet, u can kill a pro player

[cobalt plover]

aw im probably exclusively a solo player

[scarlet dew]

because one lucky 5 sec stun is ggs

[scarlet dew]

kinda very mid rn

[cobalt plover]

is valda good at a high level?

[scarlet dew]

in solo yeah

played in tournaments

[cobalt plover]

cool thanks for your insight

ima go to bed now cya

[scarlet dew]

gn

[chrome cliff]

if you like flashy gameplay, look into lyam

[tawny swift]

[livid bone]

Thing is, her ult is very easy to dodge

[livid bone]

Easy to understand but hard to master ahh character

[cursive wraith]

Not sure if this is the right channel.
But im trying to run a Tianhai Thunder Build.
Fairly new. So some of the concepts (Diffuse, Threefold, Demons Bane, etc) are foreign concepts to me. Im about to finish Hard Mode for showdown. Atm im NUKING bosses with the swarms deadeye.
Running Deadeye and the 3rd tree that does elemental stuff.

Currently have
ThunderPull, Thunder Counter, Skyforce, Boltshot, Backfire, Thunderproof, and Staff Onslaught.

Any recommendations and stuff?

[olive sun]

you're in the wrong channel
head to #👾┃showdown

[tawny swift]

[unreal oracle]

Anyone here plays duo? What are some good hero pair to do good combos with? (I’ve only seen Temulch and Valda V1 and Viper Akos )

[indigo mulch]

🎉 | FuwaPie leveled up!
| Extra rewards were added for missing levels

[empty swallow]

shayol valda should still be strong

but in duos you can really make almost anything work, it's a very casual mode

[torpid anchor]

Is zai actually to any good in pvp?

[torpid anchor]

I constantly hear that every Single Character counters her

[finite burrow]

@quiet tundra can tell you. I’m sure he plays Zai a lot.

[quiet tundra]

TLDR: Yes she is, she has her weaknesses but in ranked mode she can always work well.

Zai is pretty strong in duos (her strongest mode), especially when paired with a healer or tank like Kurumi or Valda. In solos, she’s not that good, since the current meta (Xunhuan, Akos, Tarka, Shayol, etc.) works against her. That said, a skilled Zai player can still win these matchups depending on how they play. Realistically though, she horrible in solos.

In trios, she used to be very strong, but her impact has dropped due to the current meta. Still, she’s playable in every mode. If you enjoy her, you can make her work. I've done it many times in solo's, duo's and trio's, no matter who I fought, the better you master Zai, the easier the match ups get. The most important thing when playing Zai is learning the matchups against other heroes.

[quiet tundra]

Most of them do, I think the match ups that favors Zai so well is against Ziping and Viper (if you ult early)

[torpid anchor]

okay thanks a lot

then i have to start mastering her. i usually just spam without any skill 😅

[quiet tundra]

It's also very helpful to watch someone play Zai against other heroes. The main important thing is to have patience when you're playing Zai. For example against Valda, you have to dodge her spears in order to win, you can't recklessly spam your gold focus against certain characters as they have the possibilities to counter you

[quiet tundra]

That's exactly why it doesn't always work out 😊

A good player knows how to punish a Zai player that spams haha

[torpid anchor]

thats why im always getting punished xD

[torpid anchor]

do u know some players or mind showing me sometime?

[quiet tundra]

I don't really like to self promote, but you could watch me or Master Deemo, I post weekly on Youtube and Tiktok and stream a lot on Twitch. Many of my video's are about Zai and you can see the way that I play her

Here's some video's that might take your interest

https://youtu.be/yr8zR9i-TGk?si=lmscF47qHsR2aa2Z

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=plAqCACX6NQ

[torpid anchor]

thanks a lot ill take a look at it now

[earnest star]

Maybe Prosp3r too? He still plays Zai a lot in Trios/IW.

[torpid anchor]

akiio why dont u master her. its easier for me to stalk u xD

[earnest star]

Im not good at the game, so

[torpid anchor]

https://tenor.com/view/disappointed-disappointed-fan-seriously-what-are-you-doing-judging-you-gif-17485289

[torpid anchor]

watch shall i say then

[torpid anchor]

that im not even trash?

[earnest star]

[scarlet dew]

rn she is one of the worst characters in the game

across all modes

she only does something if enemies dont have ult and she has ult

and even then she can be beaten

[torpid anchor]

[torpid anchor]

welp i think ill be dead before that happens xD

[scarlet dew]

yeah if inor looks at u once, its ggs

[earnest star]

[scarlet dew]

i think the only way to make zai remotely playable is going zai+kurumba in duos

and focus on kiting

just blow zai ult early, bait out 2 ults, then run like headless chicken

[earnest star]

I mean I’ve told you many times, that Zai gets diffed from like every Char in the Game. But glad you’ve asked that question now here

[scarlet dew]

the final nail in the coffin was the anniversary patch where they removed up to 5sec from ults in game

before that she was kinda good against charged based heroes, as u could exhaust their charges and still have some ult left

[earnest star]

Then came Inor

[scarlet dew]

inor is basically zai without any drawbacks

he is far more mobile, does more dmg, harder to stagger

[torpid anchor]

okay running liek a headless chicken, i can do that !

[earnest star]

I laughed a bit, when they announced that Zai could stagger Inor now. But it was only the full gold attack. It did basically nothing

[torpid anchor]

i knowwwww but im not listening to you

[scarlet dew]

they need to give zai ultimate focus on meter dump or something

otherwise i dont see how she can be ever useful

or at least give her rage conservation

[quiet tundra]

Ah yes of course, how could I forget about him😭

[torpid anchor]

yeah. shes still my favorite no matter what but in ranked ill stick to my shayol

[quiet tundra]

Definitely check Prosp3r out too @torpid anchor He’s one of the best Zai players that I’ve watched

[earnest star]

I know.

[scarlet dew]

i used to play zai 24/7 but rn she is just unplayable

like unreal how bad she is

[earnest star]

The Goat

[scarlet dew]

just play shayol and enjoy a good life

[quiet tundra]

I don’t think that she’s unplayable, you can make her work in duos and even in solos if you play her right. She just doesn’t have the “press on lmb and let her do everything for you” aspect anymore because of characters countering her

Trios on the other hand is where it gets really hard

[scarlet dew]

she is like bottom 20% in solos, bottom 10% in trios

and in duos idk

bottom 50% max

[quiet tundra]

Her strongest mode is duos

But she isn’t meta atm

She’s not good but not unplayable

[scarlet dew]

yeah usually garbage heroes are not meta

[quiet tundra]

Kurumi isn’t meta in trios atm right?

That wouldn’t make her garbage or unplayable

[torpid anchor]

is there actually any hero worse than zai?

[quiet tundra]

Yea most likely, but if we strictly look in the dps aspect it would be Takeda probably

[scarlet dew]

u can maybe find one per mode basis, but if u were give her overall ranking based on every mode

she is probably worst in the game

pretty much every hero in game rn is at least good in one game mode

many of them in all

[torpid anchor]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-wipe-gif-16574265568803907770

[scarlet dew]

even if im super generous, i can at most say she is mediocre in duos

and trash in solo/trio

[quiet tundra]

Just play her because you enjoy her

Who cares if she isn’t meta

[torpid anchor]

i dont really play showdown but in the beginnning i thought she might be good there

[scarlet dew]

whats funny

shes trash even in showdown

actual peak comedy

[torpid anchor]

yes thats why i do it anyway, even bought her extrem hai a few days ago🙈

[quiet tundra]

Awesome

[scarlet dew]

ye she is not meta because she is trash in trios rn

she got nerfed many times

while everything else got turbo buffs

[quiet tundra]

Would that make her unplayable tho?

[torpid anchor]

thats why i dont understand shes trash and got nerfed like wtf

[quiet tundra]

Idk tbh, I don’t think that you should stress about her being bad or good. Just play her and you’ll notice that once you understand match ups. She’s not bad as how people claim her to be

[scarlet dew]

she basically is unplayable, if u all huddle together in circle u gonna get removed from existence by inor or autododger

kurumba is at least pretty decent in duos coz its much harder there to burst down circle

with just 2 people worth of dmg

[torpid anchor]

yeah but no matter what char i use that happens to me because im that bad xD

[quiet tundra]

It’s a skill thing too, main thing with Zai is your movement and patience in battles

[torpid anchor]

yeah im still trying to get a grip on movement. but after playing for 2 years with 30fps i got now a graphics card

[earnest star]

Buy her Hair. +25% increase in Skill. And Naraka is happy too

[torpid anchor]

did that

[earnest star]

Now Star Skin

[torpid anchor]

pay me

[earnest star]

I don’t have money

[torpid anchor]

https://tenor.com/view/sucks-gif-19485890

[earnest star]

[livid bone]

+25 skills -30fps

[earnest star]

True

[livid bone]

To Justina mains, give me some tips on how to infinitely dash through groups of people (successfully)

Somehow some of the dashes I make don’t micro stun post freeze

[earnest star]

Wait and line them up

[earnest star]

This is still a bit bugged, no?

Same as jump lmb after a freez. Sometimes they don’t unfreez after the 3rd hit with Katana or Duals.

[livid bone]

I’m not entirely sure since it’s been a while since I played her

Aiming is a bit hard after the 4th dash

Sometimes I get ghost hit after a dash, kinda annoying

[tawny swift]

[hidden zenith]

How can i switch to that portal

[lost dagger]

they reworked all heros to only have 2 ultimates instead of 3. this ultimate was removed in wuchen's rework

[hidden zenith]

So why didnt the worked on the hero walk-through

[lost dagger]

which walk through

[hidden zenith]

The heros guid

[lost dagger]

is this on the website or ?

[hidden zenith]

Press F4 on heros details

[lost dagger]

these are not updated i guess

[hidden zenith]

Lol

[lost dagger]

the baize guide was made once and never looked at again

[hidden zenith]

Lol

[remote otter]

Anyone have any viper guides or tips for using her?

[errant pulsar]

hello

[unreal oracle]

Who is a good duo for Inor wan??

[worthy mesa]

I feel it depends on which heroes the person can play

You could go with a control heroe, support or even another dmg dealer to try and burst

[worthy mesa]

Based of the movement a ziping yin in the support category would work, for control a tessa probably

Think of a duo that would “counter” the counter for inor wan. You want to get away from him using distance and grapling hooks when he transforms

So a tessa that you need to get close and interact with the vessel, an viper ning that you can’t grapple

[lost dagger]

So what are our thoughts on the new glyphs? I'm thinking the silence parry glyph is quite strong. Not sure if i should put 1 or 2 points into it. And i got 2/2 for the second tier purple, i didn't run spirit dash before but now it's a nice tool to have for a low investment

[worthy mesa]

The new glyphs look great, i feel like even with 1 point it should work really well

I didn't saw that the glyphs got "reworked". That's what i felt strange in yesterday ranks

[unreal oracle]

How about Shayol? What hero is best to pair with her in Duos besides Valda?

[livid bone]

1. Tarka
2. Tessa
3. Kurumi
4. Inor

I mean, you can make almost any hero work

[thick quarry]

anyone know what are the best skills for zenda wu, and whats the best gylph path to run?

[worthy mesa]

Yeah literally you can make all heroes work

But with tessa is a combo i have seen multiple times in rank

[worthy mesa]

I mean technically it depends

[thick quarry]

may i ask what it depends on

[worthy mesa]

On your gameplay, if you know combos , if you're on team

I saw a lot of zenda wu making combos with the second ability but the first ability you can used it under atack to get out of combo

[dark reef]

wich skills on cyra ?

solo*

[unreal oracle]

Can anyone help me with Zipping 's Glyph. I run this in duo. but it doesn't feel right. I feel like her skill takes so long.
I play more of a support role running around and get chased often while my team does the damage and i tank but i always get caught and runs out of dodges (stamina)

[hidden zenith]

Whats for wuchen...??

Anybody ..??

[wise wharf]

i need me a tarka main to coach me

[livid bone]

Ur prayers have been answered

What do u need

[wise wharf]

i need to learn the "op" combos

and ult usage

[livid bone]

His bread and butter is animation cancelling in addition to his V2 grab

You should start with this: https://youtu.be/kVwrxujAfVM?si=AVXwkjN47BlRQ9G8

[livid bone]

Idk what button u have dash mapped on, but for Tarka u press dash to enter a kick animation when you are running

[wise wharf]

appreciate it ill take a look at this later

[livid bone]

double dash if you’re not running

[wise wharf]

imma need some in game experience with ult

[livid bone]

Mess around with it in training

[wise wharf]

yanyu setup also looked cool af

[livid bone]

The challenge ull face afterwards will be stamina control, till then tho

[wise wharf]

fireball v1

[livid bone]

yh, depends what u wanna use

offense or defensive Fs

[wise wharf]

offense is always better

[livid bone]

8/10 I agree

Until the moment u realized defensive would’ve worked better

[wise wharf]

ahahahah never ending cycle

[livid bone]

Well, good luck! I’m always here with Tarka questions

[wise wharf]

was trying some cool ls extensions with ult in free training yesterday , felt like a brainless stephen hawking

[livid bone]

I rec NoBiNam and Thang Ko Win

Great stuff

[low bear]

Hey can you recommend me a good hero to pair with Valda? I am talking about duos, we play Viper/Tessa mostly right now and want to switch it up a bit.

[livid bone]

1. Viper
2. Tessa
3. kurumi
4. Justina
5. Shayol

[low bear]

Thank you, would it be convenient to ask, I am interested what Kurumi brings specifically into that duo? For the others I do see it.

[cursive birch]

healing burst once out of ult and constent peel

if played f2 also dmg resist during link duration

[worthy mesa]

Tianhai

If you get both persona with the first valda ult, tianhai can grab them in his ult

A normally “irregular” combo

[low bear]

I appreciate your insights guys, thank you! Which F/V should I use on Kurumi for that combo and also I tend to use glyphs that gives me early rage and dmg reduction, do you have any suggestions on that?

[livid bone]

Yup, basically as M mentioned. Kurumi pairs well with a lot of heroes. If ur partner can handle themselves, playing a full support role would bring in more value

[worthy mesa]

I guess it depends if you're relying in a full support role

You could use the 2nd F

if you're gonna stay linked while your partner fights

and the V both works

[worthy mesa]

Any ideas for combos for duos with yoto hime?

[chrome cliff]

shayol and zai are the most common characters to pair with valda in duos

inor is the strongest team mode character in the game, you can put him with everything

hadi often gets paired with valda in trio comps, you can run hadi / valda in duos too

valda doesn't really do anything tbh, she presses V to get some HP and that's it

her spears are super easy to dodge, unless teammate sets up a stagger

you can combine burn effects with valda for instant burn damage applied to HP

i wouldn't recommend valda / viper or valda / monk because it's a wombo that will kill bad teams easily and die to good teams

totally pointless to play unless you want to press 2 buttons and either fully win the fight or fully lose it

defeats the purpose of playing a fighting game imo

between valda and justina, i don't see any synergy at all, the characters are completely redundant

[livid bone]

Fairs. Totally forgot to add Zai, it’s a pretty old comb. Tho realistically, I rarely see Valda and Zai now up in high ladder. There’re mostly Tessa, shayol and so on but almost any hero works in duos

[cursive birch]

can someone show me good duo kurumi glyphs?

[crystal ravine]

im new on this game my first favourite character is matari i love stealth style game play can you guys suggest me some tips to immprove gameplay

[unreal oracle]

can anyone suggest me a better Tessa glyph? I'd like to be an escapist and spam my ult XD

[hexed crane]

You are supposed to ult and kill your opponent.

Otherwise her ult won't be useful at all

[hexed crane]

But, If I may suggest.

You can run green glyphs, to get 40% rage at start

Tessa may be one of the best characters to start a match in a crowded area.

[chrome cliff]

tessa doesn't need stamina glyphs

in trios, you run 40% IR and rage per damage taken

put red until you are full red

and then you have like 4 points left for a few purples or extra green

and play f2

f1 is skill issue pick

tessa f2 is stronger than tessa ult

especially if you run skill cooldown, there is no point in running f1

[unreal oracle]

okayy thanks. I'm trying this one now for Tessa glyph

[scarlet dew]

going green for 10 initial rage seems pointless

just go full greens and reds

20% dmg reduction is not bad

or skip initial rage and go full purples instead

[unreal oracle]

okay. I'll try that. no wonder she still feels squishy and easy to kill ;-;

[scarlet dew]

ye well with this setup she has totally 0 defense

not even stamina refund

the thing with this glyph system is

they made it extremely bad to branch out

u are basically forced to full commit

to a tree

since last glyphs are so strong

and only contain 2 points anyway

also take tournament glyphs with a grain of salt

in tournament u play IW and get money for kills

pretty much everybody goes greens for initial rage

since getting ult quickly is critical

and the ults are so OP rn u can do literally nothing at all ult vs no ult

so everybody is forced going initial rage

just to not autolose spawn

[chrome cliff]

you don't need to run clown naruto run glyphs

unless you wanna become hokage

[bright widget]

hello guy have anyone got a good glyphs for all hero ?

[pearl flame]

hellp me anyone whit Inor Wan ? i need glipg and skills

[worthy mesa]

i feel like f2 and v2 are the best in a ofensive matter

and for glyphs you can run full red and green looking for rage

So you try to spam the transformation all the time

I'm having a dilema with glyphs for wuchen with f2 and v2

[bleak lantern]

Im interested in glyps for kylin and lyam im assuming its just rage based glyphs. But I feel like for them their f is better to get up faster?

[worthy mesa]

wym?

with their f

[bleak lantern]

For me its the y button. There quick ability idk what yall call it. But are there glyphs to charge that skill faster? I feel like for those 2 that ability is super useful

[worthy mesa]

I mean yeah, you have 2 glyphs to reduce cooldown on them

But at least the first one is kinda useless in most cases bcs is compared vs the 40% rage recovery

And at max is 12% cdr

[bleak lantern]

So just stay rage and stamina focused then?

[worthy mesa]

In a 25ish sec cd 12% being only 2 seconds

Is kinda a waste vs the rage

You could play with green and red tree

Or red with purple

I been running on zenda trial glyphs

For the 7.2% attack that gives the last glyph on the strategy tree and all the rage recovery i can

Stacking 4 attack jades with that glyph, if you manage to get a juggernaught stacked too

I already got the breakpoint with a ultimate kill a gold armor oponnent

[bleak lantern]

Pretty beefy attack

[worthy mesa]

So maybe with kylin that can work too

Like trying to burst the more you can on the ultimate

[bleak lantern]

Yea might be good

[scarlet dew]

going full attack jades like this will just put u in mathematical disadvantage against someone who builds full dmg resistance

[worthy mesa]

At least those glyphs helped me climb to asura 3 ⭐ atm

[bleak lantern]

Well in those terms wouldnt you just be on equal footing? Attack and defense buffs would cancel each other out?

[scarlet dew]

no

[worthy mesa]

Dr is "capped" at 24%

In jade department

[scarlet dew]

each attack jade (blue+) is 4% while DR is 6% each

[worthy mesa]

or you can be ambitious

that match was a run in the park

[scarlet dew]

here u have math

if u go with full attack against someone with full DR, u deal 12% less dmg than if both of u have 0 jades

[worthy mesa]

It depends a lot on the jades , variability of builds the other person can use, and skills

So mostly play whatever you want

[scarlet dew]

it doesnt depend on anything, u just deal 88% dmg while enemy deals 100% dmg

simple as that

[worthy mesa]

I'm saying like you "can't" know if they're running full dr but yeah, you should expect worst cases always

I already faced a viper that i did almost negative dmg when she ulted

[scarlet dew]

there are some edge cases where attack may be better, but in terms of raw stats u are always better off going DR

[worthy mesa]

Her ult dr, jades and glyph literally. She was like 5% hp and didn't died

[bleak lantern]

So what glyphs board do you use?

[scarlet dew]

either full purple + full red or full green + full red

the amount of rage u get from red glyphs is really a lot

and 20% dmg reduction on ult is quite substantial for 20 sec

[bleak lantern]

Whatdya mean by full? You can only max out one line of each right?

[scarlet dew]

yeah u can spend at most 10 points into one path

color

[bleak lantern]

I currently have this

[scarlet dew]

3grapple/1stamina, hp on parry x4, stamina refund x2

basically this

yep

same

its the most cookie cutter build

good for everything

oh

except

u should go 3 grapple/1stamina split

or at least 3 stam/ 1 grapple

first point gives much larger benefit than next 3

for these

this glyph rework is horrible though

the old glyphs were much better

[scarlet dew]

now its just forcing weird gimmicks down our throats

[bleak lantern]

Like that?

[scarlet dew]

yep its good

u can run this on anything

also take note

in tournaments u will probably see A LOT of green paths

due to initial rage

reason is in immortal war u get money for kills

so if u dont take initial rage u auto lose to everybody who did take it

and then u get outscaled

by ppl who got kills

[bleak lantern]

Cause they got money faster

[scarlet dew]

in regular ranked it can be still good but u gotta ask urself

if u are fine losing 4 points

for extra ult % at start

with no benefit later in game

i think on tessa/zippy can be good

others its questionable

but alternative which is 80 hp

is not earthshattering either

1 grey hp jade

and the dmg resistance glyph

is kinda ass in a way too

due to 120 sec cooldown

e.g. if u are after yang

and start fighting right away

prob it wont be active yet

as i said

the glyphs are awful rn

it would be honestly better if they removed glyphs entirely

than this current page

(there is also this purple sprint they cannot balance at all still after half a year)

tomorrow patch they nerf it again

as people used it for free combo starters

we will see how it is

also consider

some glyphs are for consistency

like rage glyphs

or stamina glyphs

they provide u solid value all game

and limit ur weak spots as much as possible

and there are power spike glyphs

like parry silence

or dmg reduction on ult

they provide large benefit in limited scenarios

[worthy mesa]

[bleak lantern]

Damage reduction on ult be why viper ning is such a damn tank walking around bout to stun me lmao

https://tenor.com/view/frank-castle-wait-please-stop-please-no-please-gif-21133188

Thats me when I see those purple beams of doom

[scarlet dew]

most ults have 70% or higher dmg reduction

during initial cast

[worthy mesa]

Yeah she has 70% dr base

when ulting

[lost dagger]

She would just die whenever she ulted otherwise. Even at full health

Just break los to avoid the stun

[scarlet dew]

she wouldnt die, she would be still unstaggerable and it would be hard to put damage on her

not to mention she has teammates too

although she would need to blow ult much earlier

[scarlet dew]

this advice doesnt really work in realistic scenarios

u will have viper's entire team trying to stagger u + possibly blowing other ults to setup viper ult

like akos cage or justina v1

u need to have prepared viper counter beforehand like a yueshan in team

or some contingency plan how to save teammate stunned for 5s

[chrome cliff]

yueshan is one of the most overrated trio characters imo

you have to play yueshan a lot to get value out of him, he is extremely clunky and very immobile compared to inor

there are many characters that can counter or survive viper and temulch like yueshan, who can also do other things on top of it

for example, feria can drop her mech to save a teammate from viper/temulch

justina can dash out of viper and temulch ult

ofc she will die if silenced without peel, but yueshan also dies when he gets silenced and there is no peel

getting viper silenced with no other viper counter on the team is just a misplay

so having a plan or counter against viper is a great idea, but it doesn't have to be yueshan imo

unfortunately matari is not a good character, her F cannot reliably self-peel

[lost dagger]

It's the basic concept behind counter playing her. New players don't know this and die to viper ults they could have avoided. I wasn't giving advice to an adavnced player in unrivaled lobbies. Don't ignore the basics, they are essential.

And saying complicated stuff instead will just confuse a new player

[bleak lantern]

Which tarka ji ult is preferred by high skilled players? Base or extend?

[livid bone]

Base = solo
Extend = Team

[wooden drum]

i see

[unreal oracle]

What's the best F and V skill for Justina?? I've been getting killed by a lot of players using her V2.

[scarlet dew]

generally either f1v2 or f2v1

v1 is more competitively viable but also its very hit or miss

if u dont know exactly what u are doing, u will probably just waste all the dashes for nothing

on other hand v2 requires slower approach to fights where u outlast enemy

so u also need to space out ults correcly and so on

so overall a lot of effort for not much results

[livid bone]

The thing about Tark most people tend to do is spam dash brainlessly

V2 is useless in solos and V1 is not really good in teams

[scarlet dew]

tarka? we were talking about justina

[worthy mesa]

xd

[bleak lantern]

I believe they were meaning to respond to me

[bleak lantern]

Whats the benefit of kurumi healing ray vs guard

[chrome cliff]

guard keeps your teammate alive, the other does nothing

[worthy mesa]

True

[unreal oracle]

Can anyone help me with my Wuchen glyph. I like V2 ult more but it feels like it's not making any damage XD (any tutorial recos on how to use him better?) I previously encountered this amazing Justina and Wuchen tandem and my duo and I were pinned in place (instant ded meat XD)

[olive sun]

so can anyone explain why my F does damages but didn't knockback Temulch?

also how could Zenda pops her V in this situation?

also also, how did i hit this parry on 60ms?

[lime briar]

You can only break the Parry Attack with Gold Focus Attacks not the Parry State

So in that case you have to delay your attack a bit

[stone dawn]

So I've started to learn Lannie and I really like all the

Abilities

I mainly play solo and don't know which ones I should play with

And also looking for a glyph chart for her too

If anyone has

[cursive birch]

play combo break and ball catching ult

not the one where youre flying and stuff

[stone dawn]

Ball catching is the tricky bounce leap right?

As regular one is just a flying carpet

[stone dawn]

I also can't find any glyphs for Lannie (atleast newer ones) (Solo too)

[cursive birch]

https://b.catgirlsare.sexy/kvfBEcW9SMJS.png

yeah yeah this is what i would run with solo lannie

for glyphs i would probably use on of those

i run this on justina

p good for any char

[stone dawn]

Okay awesome tysm

Is there a way I can find out the Numbers for each ability

[cursive birch]

0

[stone dawn]

Thank you 😊

[unreal oracle]

Can Inor and Cyra be a good synergy in Duo?

[worthy mesa]

Ehh

[chrome cliff]

it's 2 good characters that don't often play together

but it can work well in duos

just open inor ult and cyra ult when inor turns small or is low hp

try not to use inor and cyra ult at the same time

inor needs any character to follow up with melee when he impales

cyra needs any character to stagger for her v2 stun

cyra is more commonly played with tessa/akos, viper/akos or viper/justina

i.e. any character that is good at controlling and executing, but bad at surviving

the natural teammates for inor are ziping/hadi and feria/xunhuan

[gaunt mesa]

can someone share zip glyph?

[indigo mulch]

🎉 | laz leveled up!
| Extra rewards were added for missing levels

[unreal oracle]

this?? (dunno if its good for ur playstyle)

[scarlet dew]

skip 2 red rage glyphs and put dmg resistance in greens

[unreal oracle]

Is there any way to doge Wuchen's Sword piercing ult -thingy ;-;???? just got Tessa stunned and Wuchen sword ulted for like 4 games now ;-; and I keep dying from it. I was using Tessa and Inor (my duo).

and I'm having a hard time being useful to Inor in fights XD i keep dying early (skill issue)

[olive sun]

you're supposed to be able to react dodge it just by reacting to the ult initial cast animation

but when ping and fps comes into the equation things aren't that simple anymore

wuchen ult is known for being a notorious rubberband ability

but anyway, try to react dodge it

if u get hit by it remember that you can blue hold to be immune from the small blades stagger, for the big blades you need to tap dodge

or gold focus tanking it

[left river]

when you hear the DING, dodge RIGHT AFTER, lile a Pavlovian reflex, and you should be able to dodge it no prolem

don't panic, even if the small blades hit you, they do minor damage and don't stagger you enough to guarantee the hit from the large sword

begin moving as soon as you her TAI CHI RIFT, then wait for the DING and dodge 😄

[gaunt mesa]

whats the best zenda wu combo

[ocean robin]

What's the best cyra glyph for playing mostly solo and sometimes duo/trio?

[chrome cliff]

pavlov mentioned on naraka discord wtf