🙎┃character-guides

[wise parrot]

at what point does the character recognition problem disappear. i have like 700h on this game and still cant recognize most hero until they use their skill and its get worse if they cosmetic
die many time in the realm of yang because enemy viper decide to use a cosmetic that show her eye and change her hair same with tessa

[lost dagger]

4k hours in and still have the issue. Just ping the enemy and it says who it is

When they started giving characters cosplays of other characters it was cooked

[kind ginkgo]

1100 hours and also got this problem 🤔😂😂

Especially now that tarka and inor have a really similar skin 😂

[wise parrot]

yike guess i just hover my finger on the V key every time a women decide to fight me in the realm of yang then

[lost dagger]

Like i said. If you ping the enemy it will say which hero it is

[kind ginkgo]

🔝

[wise parrot]

ok thank

[lost dagger]

Btw viper ult is reactable

So if you see it go off you have time to ult before ur silenced

[earnest star]

@kind ginkgo Any Glyph Suggestion for Lannie?

[kind ginkgo]

Basic ult and green ones are good enough usually 🤔👍

[earnest star]

[quasi saddle]

hey, im recently getting into takeda for trios mainly. but i have troubles deciding between f1 and f2 .. what do u guys prefer? i find myself sometimes running out of alert stance in f1 feeling like i wasted a spell kinda, so i think about using the active f2 for heal shield regeneration. then again, sometimes people appear in my back or things evolve into chaos and f1 saves me 😄 its hard to decide. also for f2 im not entirely sure how to combo after it succeeds, same for his V3. atm i use v3 more defensive

[kind ginkgo]

Id use F1 v1

If you are playing without a team

[quasi saddle]

so his V1 and propably also V3 is used as combo extender or get free of pressure tool rather than opener to start a combo?

[kind ginkgo]

Id use V3 only if I have a telmuch or smth to set it up guaranteed

Otherwise v1 is just better in most cases

[long urchin]

I've started to enjoy Tarka Ji and Yueshan too, besides Inor Wan. They just seem to survive more for me.
Inor is faster yet everyone just seems to run away from him and then focus him down.

Is Yueshan a good hero to use overall tho ?

I mostly play solos

[kind ginkgo]

Not for solos

And even trios and duos there is better pick generally

But he's solid (not for solos tho)

[long urchin]

And Tarka Ji ?

[prisma field]

Afaik tarka is rlly good

[lost dagger]

unless you are the 1 cracked yueshan solos player in NA

[young thunder]

looking for some character guidaince

[slate sierra]

Can you be a bit more specific in what you’re looking for? 🙂 the mode you play, or a playstyle/role that you like? (Front line engage, backline support, etc)

[still pilot]

I have been practicing with ferie shen's skills and ults. It seems like her machine ults is recommended to be used when she is far away from enemies correct? so she can deal more damage before they can reach her and break through her shield? (assuming they don't just flee away and grapple away). I think her 2nd skill is more useful than her 1st since if the enemy is close, you can stagger them with the shot and then proceed a combo on them?

[haughty thunder]

You have some good glyphs on Iron Man

to trio

[still pilot]

is this a response to me?

[haughty thunder]

To anyone XD

[nocturne cliff]

Anyone have a short list of who the better frontline characters are for trios? I play Viper and I know Zai is supposed to be good.

[little cargo]

F1 is a combo breaker, a safe option. However from what I heard F2 is more use in team mode due to its silence property but require more skill to use. As for V, V is not something you use from afar before enemies reach you, it is more of something you use for safe healing, get away or counter other V from my opinion, you can use V2 in game mode as a peeling tool for your teammates, save them when they got jump.

[coral token]

Hi everyone, does someone know if tarkas infinite combo has been patched?

[junior canyon]

akos is still very good in solo ? sorry long time no play and i didnt see any akos since a long time, what f do we use on him too ? thanks

[olive sun]

solid
f2v2

[junior canyon]

they use f2 bcs combo starter ?

[olive sun]

yeah

[lost dagger]

No but there are many ways to avoid getting infinited. He was recently nerfed and isn't too strong anymore so if you are losing to tarka there is likely a mistake you made. Try using veritcality and avoiding him. Use dodges and light attacks, don't parry or hold blue against tarka.

[coral token]

Ty Very Much!

[chrome cliff]

it depends on character matchup and terrain though

tessa and ziping if caught in the open with no scalerushable terrain are pretty bad against tarka

[ember wraith]

Hi everybody, is there a guide for inor expertise quests ? I’m stuck at the last one with 120 enemies but i don’t get it

[sharp valley]

Any advise for a new player?

[kind ginkgo]

In general the most important thing is understanding that Naraka is a game that has a really steep learning curve, this means that at the beginning it can be pretty frustrating. Don't give up, you will get better insanely fast if you keep at it.
Second thing: don't think a lot about meta, all is viable (with some specific exceptions)
Third thing: focus on fundamentals, those are what make you strong
Fourth and most important thing: have fun!

If u got specific questions #🙎┃character-guides is for asking about how heroes work, #🔱┃weapons-combat for questions about combat and combos and #🏋┃dojo-coaching is a weekly free coaching that we offer in the server thanks to @lost dagger that's organising it 👍👍

[sharp valley]

Ok i under stand, but can u give me some names? I have only the First 4 character and now i unlock akos

[kind ginkgo]

Character are all good, the best way to determine which one is best for you is to go into practice tool and press h; you will be able to chose all of them and try them out without having to unlock them

It's hard to recommend a character when someone is starting out. Id say avoid kurumi , tianhai and yueshan for solos , the rest should be fine

[edgy stratus]

does zai F2 dmg scale with weapon rank?

[olive sun]

yes

most of abilities damage scales with weapon rarity

[still pilot]

For ferie shen (against the hardest bots solo and 1v2 scenarios), what glyphs are recommended for her. I know her rage is really not the strongest (even with her ult2). the bonanza path might be avoided in general.

also does her ults in general not take advantage of the solar aegis glyph?

[lost dagger]

you take last red glyph because it activates on her summoning the drone without having to go into the mech. you can use her ult summon as a soft combo breaker + you can combo into a focus attack off it. it's also great for peel. so it's already a great utility skill that can get more value with that glyph

[still pilot]

Thx didnt know that. Also does the drone mess with the enemys auto lock too or the ais

When placed down?

[little cargo]

Nope, the drone is pretty much there just for disrupt when throw down or for your teammate (or you) to jump in later

[lost dagger]

Yeah. Kind of like Kurumi umbrella, it will mess with auto aim and also tank ranged shots

[nocturne cliff]

@lost dagger my beloved

Did you ever make that Yoto guide? I’m out here just hitting buttons like an idiot when I hit ult.

[lost dagger]

I keep procrastinating it i never made a guide before. I'll try to record it today. So come by the stream and you can watch me recording it

[nocturne cliff]

Sweet, what time do you usually stream?

[lost dagger]

At like 3 or 4 pm est. So 4 or 5 hrs from now

[quasi saddle]

hey, we playin trios and kinda brainstorming. i play takeda and i know he is sick with valda or temulch with their possibilities to give him the air V1 extra dmg. problem is, my mate doesnt like valda/temulch. do u guys think liam might be a nice combo with tarkeda instead? his ulti also seems to be a great knocking tool? or do you guys always play tarkeda V3 in trios anyways and dont mind about airborne extra dmg

liam seems to be very interesting, but we didnt look into his tios potential yet, especially as combo to takeda

[olive sun]

trio takeda run v3 not v1
trio lyam is basically takeda but worse, he's literally one of the most underperforming character in trio

[quasi saddle]

ty alot, fam!

[quasi saddle]

can u maybe tell me who is best performing in trios? i have troubles determining who is worth practicing for us. we kinda new and hopping around platinum.

[olive sun]

technically speaking all heroes are viable in trio, but the most important thing is teamwork
so you're right when you thought about synergy between heroes, and how to build a comp that got good synergy and is particularly good at something that increase your chance of winning

for that reason there's technically isn't a ''best hero in trio'', it depends on your team comp and your team tactic

for example wuchen viper tessa is good at one shotting ppl and wuchen teleport can fix their mistake if something went wrong, but this comp is bad at contesting objectives and long fights

on the other hand something like kurumi temulch takeda or kurumi tianhai yueshan is good at long fights, you can't kill anyone in these team quickly

[quasi saddle]

ty alot, for ur insight! very helpfull!

[lost dagger]

check the pinned

[normal mica]

is inor wan better than kylin?

[slate sierra]

I don’t think so

I find it much harder to kite/dodge a Kylin ult vs an Inor ult

[normal mica]

ty

[lost dagger]

u can check the vod if u missed the start of my stream I recorded it

[nocturne cliff]

Yeah sorry I’ve been busier at work than I’d like. I’ll for sure be checking the vod.

Thanks

[earnest star]

What does Trickstep actually mean? And what controlling effects are meant? We tried Viper and Tessa but they're not working

[olive sun]

it's simply the status when you active the ult

saw the trickstep bar on top of her head?

when it still there you're immune to tianhai grab, valda water spear, tessa enchant etc

[earnest star]

[frigid hare]

which character is the best duo of inor wan?

[coarse tree]

I dont normally play with transformers, but I see alot of people play tessa and valda with transformers in duos

[wet shale]

So with yoto himes new rework have the glyph recommendations changed?

[lofty moon]

How should I use Valda's V1 properly? I feel like I don't get nearly as much use out of it compared to V2. Thanks!

[olive sun]

unless you're running some cheese comps like viper v1 valda v1 monk, else just take v2

[empty swallow]

@chrome cliff do u have advice for inor's role in trios? i'm kind of struggling to decide between chasing people down that I KNOW I can finish off vs peeling for my team (in situations where they don't obviously need help but are in a 2v2 that seems even) to ensure it doesn't go the enemy's way

sometimes it works out great, other times my team dies in the 2v2 that started off as even, and then I am stuck in 1v2 and i'm wondering if there's a better way to play the transformer

but if i do "babysit" them, i kind of have to let that person go and heal up, essentially wasting my ult for "safety"

it's fine if i use it to counterult and peel for my team, like iframing viper v1 stun and then keeping enemies off my team, or tessa enchant, or to stagger yueshan or another inor, but i mean in situations where enemy is not ulting them and they don't obviously need the peel

[chrome cliff]

no sorry, i've barely played the game since champion fight updates

i'll play again when solos has a playable lobby size, e.g. 16-20 players

then i can form an opinion about inor

[empty swallow]

sure

but

@chrome cliff u know they changed it?

[chrome cliff]

they keep changing things

[empty swallow]

solos is now 32 players

champion fight

[chrome cliff]

yeah but it caused queue times to be long

so it can't stay like this

[empty swallow]

i thought so too

its too much

i think like 20-24 would be healthy

[chrome cliff]

yeah

it shouldn't be less than 16

that's too small scale

[empty swallow]

if u havent tried inor yet, i'd say, expect something like yueshan with the speed of tarka

its very fast and good dmg and cc, but kind of squishy

[chrome cliff]

if less than 16, there is no point in having ranked in addition to IW

[chrome cliff]

check nbar

see how the chinese use him

[empty swallow]

is he the best inor?

[chrome cliff]

no point in developing our own thoughts about the game

[empty swallow]

i have never heard of this player

[chrome cliff]

we are all brain damaged compared to CN players

[chrome cliff]

it stands for naraka bladepoint auto replay

takky's channel

[empty swallow]

https://www.youtube.com/@NarakaAutoReplays

this?

[chrome cliff]

just reverse engineer chinese gameplay

yeah

[empty swallow]

its like domsium replay nice

ill check thx

[chrome cliff]

like don't blindly copy it, try to understand why they do what they do, and why it works

[empty swallow]

yup

[chrome cliff]

it's geniunely insane that people from the discord helper team don't know about this channel

[empty swallow]

oh nice they posted pro vods too

[chrome cliff]

what have you been cooking all along

[empty swallow]

never heard of it yup

[chrome cliff]

this is what every entry-level scrim player uses

[empty swallow]

i wonder how much this will help me

considering doing this in other games got me from plat to gm

and i haven't had a chance to do it in naraka yet

im excited now

[chrome cliff]

lmao

when i make a glyph video, i don't make up glyph choices

i analyze what CN is using and summarize it

using channels like NBAR

or bilibili, douyin

if every community helper did that, the quality of advice you are giving would be a lot better

[empty swallow]

it's a lot harder to find these for naraka

i see these have like 100-200 views each, if that

[chrome cliff]

you can use chatgpt

[empty swallow]

lets see if it knows im curious now

[chrome cliff]

if it doesn't exist, it will tell you

in this era you don't even need to research anything anymore

[empty swallow]

it does mention narakaautorepalys

nice

[chrome cliff]

you just ask a bot

[empty swallow]

to be fair most of the players who ask for gameplay advice are still on basics here

this will just serve me and my teammates

[chrome cliff]

most of the advice shared here comes from casual players who don't look into competitive play

so unfortunately, it is not very actionable or outright misleading

i keep having interactions like that

i remember some months ago someone was coaching a beginner on feria gameplay

and that person didn't know you can f2 into a true ranged shot

which is literally what playing feria in trios is all about

🤯

you don't have to be smart, just do your homework

or wuchen ban

so many people here didn't know about it

big oof

[empty swallow]

wuchen ban?

[chrome cliff]

wuchen was banned from competitive trios for a few months

[empty swallow]

because of the floor ult?

[chrome cliff]

because of chinese pro players teaming with other wuchen comps

[empty swallow]

what does teaming have to do with wuchen

ban the players no?

[chrome cliff]

nothing, but they didn't know what else to do (i'm speculating here)

tactical teaming has gotten really common in CN

if one team is doing particularly well, everyone will try to focus them

if you and another team play an early game comp, you will both focus the late game comps to get them out of the game, and then duel at the end when everyone else is dead

this has gotten so out of proportion with wuchen comps teaming that they banned wuchen temporarily

meanwhile on this discord, everyone kept recommending viper/tessa/wuchen as a suitable comp for competitive trios

while it was literally illegal to play it

i hope the helper team will consider such changes in the future

you need to establish a method to share such information internally

or else you're only helpful in name, while unknowningly misleading people

sorry for being this direct, but i think it's really important that official helpers live up to their role

[frigid hare]

i need kurumi glyphs and skills pls help

[kind ginkgo]

Skills in pinned comments

Glyphs depends, the pinned video should help 🤔👍

[tough thistle]

What’s the best ultimate for takeda

[lethal shell]

justina trios glyphs?

[primal sorrel]

first 1

is hard to play but 2nd is better too if u wanna click and run

[coarse tree]

she doesn't need anything in particular, I normally run this, but you can even get rid of the green tree for something else if you don't care for grapple distance.
I basically never run out of stamina when I use her in trios so I don't bother with that either.
just make sure you keep the red

[empty swallow]

not v2

it looks flashy but it's horrible

in trios definitely v3, it upgrades with your team's total weapon quality

in solos i'm not sure

[chrome cliff]

solos is v1

[little cargo]

Deal the almost same damage as Katana focus

Absolutely worthless even if you want to combo it with your teammates.

[nocturne cliff]

Is Feria at all playable in solos?

[lost dagger]

Yeah but she's not a top pick or anything. You can make her work tho

[frigid hare]

which is the best duo character of inor?

[kind ginkgo]

Quite a few work pretty well

U can take a "conservative" perspective and play smth like a ziping to keep him alive or, even better, things like valda, or others that cc enemies and can hold their own for a while

@empty swallow could tell you better tho, he's the expert

[empty swallow]

aggressive offensive characters

my favorite is viper

with silence abilities

[autumn steppe]

cyra glyphs for solos?

[chrome cliff]

tessa showcase, mostly focusing on trios and f2 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEPj9YsdvEM

[blissful silo]

Can anyone tell me about Hadi? I'm starting to play with him and I'm really enjoying it, but I wanted to know if he's a character worth focusing on and where and when he's most used, I didn't find any recent videos of him

[lost dagger]

He's been gutted and isn't played much anymore outside of some trios comps

[blissful silo]

I understood

What are the best solo characters?

[lost dagger]

Lannie, shayol, lyam, justina, kylin, some others

Most heros are viable

But if you aren't competing with top players in the server just go with who you find fun, i mean even if you are that's still the most important thing

[blissful silo]

Got it

thanks man

[lost dagger]

np

I've just been playing yoto and inor this season btw

They aren't top of meta but i find them fun

And I'm top 10 in solos

[blissful silo]

I'm also enjoying Yoto Hime because it's easy to play.

[lost dagger]

Yeah she's really good after the rework

I'll have a guide coming out soon

[blissful silo]

I started recently and losing discourages me lmao

[blissful silo]

I'll be the first to see

[little cargo]

Weird thing to say but in this game you have to get used to losing. You will face with a lot of bs situation the more you play and it is best to learn how to just take the blow and move on.

But if the game stops being fun for you, don't push it, take a break from it.

You only learn and get better when you are mentally well. At the same time, game is suppose to be fun, right?

[craggy stag]

Any tips on takeda? I run f2 and v2 they feel the best for my style, I only play duos

[chrome cliff]

yes, the tip is to run f1 and v1 or v3

v2 is the most useless ult in the game

it's not about style, when something is objectively bad, it's time to evolve

[blissful silo]

you're right, but I think I died and could have done more or better with some other character, so I'm confused about my main

I'm in love with Viper ning, inor and some others, but when I can't get the best out of them, I try with another one and I succeed, then I feel down

[little cargo]

Well, for me the combat in this game is composed of weapon and character, so the struggle is not only coming from a character choice but at the same time weapon choice and decision you made in that moment

Just because of what you did on your fav character didn't yeild the best result when compare to other does not mean you did well because of said character. At the same time I recommend you pick a comfortable weapon that you enjoy and know how to use too. Also also, two character you mentioned kinda don't have an option if they got jumped and you don't react fast enough so be warry of that

[little cargo]

tbh, Takeda V2 are kinda just bad, V2 might seems flashy but it deals equal damage to a Katana stage 1 focus, V1 and V3 also provides you with tools to deal with more situation compare to V2.

As for F, F1 Takeda is just easiest to use and cover a lot of situation, F2 and F3 is depended on references.

[craggy stag]

Okay I will try them out, V1 or V3 for duos? I never play solos or trios ever, I have a perm duo

[little cargo]

I would say V1 since it is on the safer side

[olive sun]

i mean this game is, arguably, one of the highest skill ceiling pvp game out there
you just started, you're bound to not fully utilized character's capability

[craggy stag]

Ty for ur help, do you have any tips for wuchen that I should know?

[blissful silo]

I'm trying to improve without using skills, so I hope that later I'll just fit them in, but it's all a matter of habit

[kind ginkgo]

Not really; just play around your ult

[earnest star]

As soon as the fight begins, pop ult and the fight is over

I can say that from experience. I never win a fight against Wuchen

[kind ginkgo]

Tap dodge the ult, once you do that it's easy

[earnest star]

Im Too dumb for that.

[blissful silo]

Is there a solo character that is good at both defense and attack?

[kind ginkgo]

Shayol hwei, Lyam 🤔

And a few others

Valda for example

[little cargo]

Well, more of matter of experience

[sleek shoal]

lannie glyphs for solo?

[nocturne cliff]

I think I was told standard at some point but I could be wrong

[lost dagger]

Yoto Guide is finally out! https://discord.com/channels/750237703739539497/1411116898883731609

[craggy stag]

Any tips on Lannie? Or best duo for her?

[drowsy dragon]

You wanna take your time with Lannie, the flying ult of Lannie is good in trios but it's sometimes too slow so I'd advise using the other ult. In duos her mates could be characters who do dmg / or need stagger because Lannie staggers so you need someone who benefits from it. You could for example have Zai in your team or you benefit off of the stagger and have someone play as your support it varies from how you wish to play her I'd say

[fallen spindle]

Hi guys. I always queue randomly in duos and trios. What are the top heroes for duos and trios when I match up with random people?

[glossy raven]

Viper with v2 is a great choice for both modes

[fallen spindle]

Do you have any other hero? Thanks for recommend VIper

[glossy raven]

Tessa and Matari are also both really good options for both modes

But you'd probably prefer Viper over them

[lethal shell]

best viper f and v for duos?

[kind ginkgo]

you should find the list bin made in collaboration with a lot of good players in the pinned comments 👍

we did it for every character 👍

[slate sierra]

Meta is F2 V2 but F1 is also viable. V1 isn’t really seen in duos much as you only have one teammate to try and lock down two people to confirm the stun

[stuck relic]

Any tips on kylin zhang? Or best solo for him?

[dusky meteor]

Any tips for Tessa ?

Figure she’s pretty simple but maybe there’s things I’m not aware of

[light nebula]

Yo im very new to this game and i want to pick up zai. any tips?

[kind ginkgo]

your ult is literally your strong point. play around it

dont fear releasing focuses when you are in that form because that's literally the strong suit of zai

she excels in messy fights where it's easy to catch enemies

[kind ginkgo]

nop, she's super straightforward. f1 to combo break and v1 to stun 👍

[light nebula]

cool thanks a ton. any matchups i should be aware of that are like 90% insta losses?

like does anyone hard counters zai

[quick hornet]

Shayol ._.

[kind ginkgo]

kylin it's a really interesting character; one of my favourites personally. if you are just starting out i'd recommend v1 since it has no hp draining downsides. as for the f ability tbf it's good with both. f1 it's super good for combo break so it's prolly the best choice to start off with aswell at the beginning

[kind ginkgo]

as shikiq said, shayol hwei is an insta lose, due to the nature of her ult. unless you can manipulate them and make them waste either ult or stacks early

kylin is a somewhat hard matchup aswell

otherwise jst beware of stuns. you are really still when attacking, so it would be wise to keep an eye on surroundings

[olive sun]

tbh most heroes shit on zai on 1v1

[kind ginkgo]

if the enemy knows a bit usually they will try to run away and stall out your ult

she has poor chasing ability and that's her biggest weakness

[olive sun]

due to her ult attack being weapon focus not skill focus

[kind ginkgo]

but for the early stages and ranks of the game it should'nt matter too much

[light nebula]

oh damn maybe i should switch mains later down the line

[olive sun]

well she's ok on trio

[olive sun]

also this

[kind ginkgo]

my biggest hint is to try out all heroes as you progress; it will give you insight on what they do and also you can find some that you maybe like more

[light nebula]

yep yep thanks for the advice guys

[earnest star]

Yoto V1

[summer fjord]

Are you able to iframe tessa's group prey ult?

[slate sierra]

yes, you can tap dodge the impact or use abilities like temi F to avoid it

[summer fjord]

[little cargo]

To be clear, you can dodge i-frame her V when she throws her V out but you cannot dodge i-frame when the timer run out. When her V running out, you can i-frame through it by abilties that make your character disappear like Temmy F

[summer fjord]

ty

[empty swallow]

it has different timing

than v1

if u don't wanna overthink or learn both timings, you can dodge v2 like it's v1 and then just tap dodge immediately again

and it will be perfect timing

[chrome cliff]

in team modes, look for lineup to hit multiple people

against good players, don't just spray the ult, make sure enemies are staggered or animation locked

avoid using dagger unless you have jades or it's for running

all other weapons are good on her

spear, staff and flying knives are probably the strongest

greatsword with aerial rend is insane

[empty swallow]

listen to this, it's very good advice

[frigid hare]

glpyhs for lannie?

[light nebula]

yo quick question. can you tell me what are meta chrs in solo?

[wraith frigate]

justina, lannie. lyam, shayol, temulch, valda

[chrome cliff]

missing yoto, the most meta character out of all

the others are correct

could maybe add akos

oh and definitely kylin over some of the others

kylin over valda

and probably also Justina

[slate sierra]

is cyra dead in solos now?

because i would also list her, unless the nerfs really did put her under

[finite burrow]

I’ve seen a lot of Cyra in solo tbh

[lost dagger]

[night patrol]

Is Tarka good? I started yesterday and ive been maining him I also have 150 hero coins but dont know who I want, I was thinking of choosing Kylin

[olive sun]

he's ok

if you just started it's abit rough if you choose tarka as your first character

cuz his kit rely alot on animation cancelling to make use of

kylin is ok

[night patrol]

Kk thanks, I also just got more coins so I can get someone else if u dont mind recommending someone

[novel night]

Just got back into the game. What are the meta kurumi abilities build for duos/trios? Also what glyphs?

[slate sierra]

F2 V1 (damage reduction F & circle ult)

glyphs I think are pinned in this channel but everyone pretty much goes green/red. grapple distance is a must

[lost dagger]

check the pinned

[novel night]

Oh this is great thanks!

[wary pebble]

is there like a clearly best character ib the game?

[kind ginkgo]

Technically, nop 🤔

Afterwards it depends

[wary pebble]

like just purely fighting wise

[kind ginkgo]

Solos, trios?

[wary pebble]

Solos

[kind ginkgo]

Others may be of more help then, I've not been keeping up with meta recently

But I can say for sure that the most important thing is the neutral itself. If neutral ain't up to standard, no matter the hero you play, it's not going to help much 👍

Naraka does not have any "insta win" characters if we want to call them like that 👍 (unless you already got a good neutral and spacing, at that point some can be insanely strong)

[wary pebble]

what do you mean by "neutral" like just how good i am mechanically?

[olive sun]

neutral is the phase of the fight where neither player has an advantage

[wary pebble]

And also what about weapons, which is the best for that?

[olive sun]

if you manage to stagger them/start a combo on them/burned their combo breaker etc you ''won neutral''

[wary pebble]

oh okay thx

[olive sun]

you start the combo by staggering your opponent, usually with light attacks
and if you hold you got blue focus armor, which make you immune to staggers
so the game basically boils down to ''holding your attack to gain blue focus to be immune to staggers, don't let enemy stagger you, while trying to stagger them'' (they will try to be in blue focus to be immune to your staggers too)

this is called hold checking

usually the fight starts with it

[wary pebble]

oohhh, thank you so much bro i didnt know that

[little cargo]

My recommendation is to go into free training and try out every character, then choose the one you like. Just starting out means you should get used to the game and enjoy it first

[night patrol]

Thanks I already did that and started using zai and inor instead of tarka

[little cargo]

If you need help in the future, just ask here and in #🔱┃weapons-combat

The game has a lot in it and it will be rough to learn by yourself, however there are people here always ready to hellp

[night patrol]

Alright I'll have it in mind already learned movement techs and some combos thx

[empty swallow]

@chrome cliff is f1 or f2 for shayol better in solos?

[kind ginkgo]

Pros use F1 more

F2 goes well up till the enemy can Tod u constantly id say? 🤔

No combo break gameplay is always a bit risky after all

F2 lost a bit imo, after they removed the combo extender interaction. Dmg is good for sure, but you jump double jump and it becomes pretty much useless

Hence F1 has more use overall

[empty swallow]

true

[chrome cliff]

f1

f2 only in trios if cooking with experimental comp that has matari in it

[chilly trail]

how to counter Inor Wan?

[kind ginkgo]

His ult? Run away

Same as yueshan pretty much

[chilly trail]

but this Inow Wan is fast, he can flash blink beside u and put hole in your body 😭

[kind ginkgo]

Tap dodge the spear

He can only throw 1

And make use of the environment

Scale rush is advised

Same for grappling hooks

[little cargo]

If he used his spear, just grapple into the ceiling if it is a really high ceiling

[empty swallow]

his attacks are reactable

[nimble saddle]

How can i master Inor Wan ?

[earnest star]

@empty swallow

[mint parrot]

Does anyone know the best way to utilise justinas v2 i really like how often it comes up so I wanna try use it for ranked more often

[indigo mulch]

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[chrome cliff]

bore enemies to death and then die at the end because you're playing a character without abilities

[earnest star]

What are some good Character Combos at Duos atm? Like for example,
For Feria, Akos or Temmy

I mean I see Guides for Solos and Trios. But Duos no one has a guide for what to pick (or I only found something on yt that is like 3 years old now).

[mint parrot]

What do you mean without abilities?

[little cargo]

I assume what he means is her V2 don't help you much in solo since people can easily react and dodge it, afterward you have either option to heal yourself in your V while they do the same outside (while they themselves can still have their V) or get out of it which return you to neutral

I hope it makes sense

[kind ginkgo]

mostly because duos is pretty much a in between of solos and trios

no real meta there

just about anything goes well togheter

and cc dominates

[earnest star]

[chrome cliff]

her abilities do literally nothing but waste everyone's time

yours and your enemies'

you can still get shot while healing in the ice

if you are worse than your enemy, you will die

if you are better than your enemy, you are better off playing another character or at least her other abilities because when you can speedrun the lobby and kill all, why take things slow and make every fight take 12x longer than it needs to be

all it does is lower your potential kill count

her v2 isn't even good in final circle because there are other characters who can stall better while regenerating hp or cheating blood into the game

[empty swallow]

use v1

i think v2 is bad

[chrome cliff]

it's mostly because duos is a casual mode noone takes serious

people play it to edate, to chill or because they don't have enough friends to play trios

or they want end of season rewards from being asura

there's a reason naraka doesn't host official duo tournaments

[slate sierra]

Almost anything can work in duos but if you want some “meta” or commonly seen pairings there’s
1: Rumi + Hyper Carry (Akos, Zai, Tarka being the most common but also Shayol, Yoto)
2: Viper Tessa (really aggro comp)
3. Kylin Ziping (kylin does better with zips constant healing from ult to keep him healthy w V2)
4. Shayol Valda (really tanky comp w good CC)
5. Valda Rumi (water circle is crazy sustain)
6. Valda Zai for soak/burn proc
Then there are “wombo” comps but I wouldn’t recommend those. If one ult misses or you don’t have ult you pretty much get rolled.

For Temi, you could pair him w Viper. Locking them down w ult guarantees they can’t break LOS against the viper. I’ve also seen Temi Inor recently. Again, just can’t really kite away from an ulted Inor when Temi takes all your stam.

[earnest star]

[scarlet dew]

i think u kinda got it backwards, there are no resources for duos, because there are no tournaments

and the reason there are no duo tournaments, i mean its just arbitrary, they could have made duos jcup if they wanted

tbh the way solos are rn is basically duos

and trios are capture spirit well

12 vs 12

i guess we will see how the 12 unique heroes meta works out for solos

but i have a feeling nbpl pros will still find ways to team

realistically probably biggest reason there is no duos, is because it would need to basically increase by 50% the amount of work and prize money they have to put out

they already have 1 solo and and 1 team tournament

is good enough i guess

[scarlet dew]

u missed most important reason, its fun

u got decent mix of weapon combat and teamplay

u dont have to scared of TOD's like in solos, but also u are not as reliant on ults as in trios

trios is extremely ult-centric

it gets very tiring after a while

tbh trios in rift are kinda refreshing

with longer time to kill and weaker ults (ults in rift are basically nerfed in duration by another 5 sec and most things that have normally 3-4 charges have just 2-3)

the fights feel better

not to mention duos is better suited for playing off-meta characters since u have good chance to kite enemies who have characters that counter you

[scarlet dew]

this is very good write up actually

i'd add shayol zai also is quite solid

and shayol kurumi

[slate sierra]

i did list shay as one of the pairings as potential hyper carry w rumi but yea i was just listing the more common stuff i see as someone who plays duos more than other modes

[scarlet dew]

o right i didnt see shayol kurumi

that combo is also rly good if u wanna make dmg records

[chrome cliff]

haven't noticed yet

to me duos is a big downgrade compared to solos and trios

it feels like a dumbed down version of the game with super rng enemies, few good teams and a ton of bad teams

it feels more natural to me to solo queue duos for movement practice than to duo queue, unless i there is someone i really want to spend time with

[karmic wolf]

Pick cookie cutter comp > press buttons > max rank in no time

https://tenor.com/view/go-fla-fla-esports-flamengo-esports-gif-18807901

E-Sports

This guy is funny

https://tenor.com/view/he-he-he-laughing-funny-lizard-heh-heh-heh-gif-5728538792722150615

[scarlet dew]

i mean the real question is, is it because there is something inherently wrong with duos itself, or its just byproduct of there being no tournaments in duos, so players like sachiko etc dont play duos too much

for instance at one point around zai release, i was winning like 80% of duos games or something

and it was getting kinda boring ngl

but it was not because mode was bad, just not enough good players there at the time

it's fair to say its boring due to not enough good players queueing (as byproduct of no tournaments)

but also look at perspective of average naraka players

for player like this, it will be "competitive enough"

there will be still plenty of teams that are hard or even impossible to beat

[slate sierra]

I can’t speak for other regions but for NA there are a lot of high skill players including comp players who play duos. There are definitely easier lobbies earlier in the day typically but nighttime duo lobbies can be really sweaty/competitive.

I find duos to be a nice mix of solos/trios. Teamwork and coordination still matters, but you also find yourself in a decent amount of 1v1 interactions where your individual skill/mechanics matter.

🤷‍♀️ that’s just my take on it. I will say duos can be quite frustrating when there’s a hard meta (I remember fighting endless Kylin/Zip duos during his broken era), and the duo wombo comps are annoying asf, but I just shrug it off cuz those players who only do wombo never learn to fight & will stay bad at the game lol. At the very least duos provides a team environment that’s not transformer heavy which can be nice at times too when trios is almost all Monk Kylin teams

[scarlet dew]

o yeah thats a good point

i despise monk

and in duos he is like once a week occurence

trios is too ult heavy

i only ever had fun playing trios when i play with 2 people i really enjoy playing with

but maybe if they implemented similar balancing to rift

trios could be more fun

and less ult-centric

[slate sierra]

I also despise monk lmao

He’s been S tier for so long idk why they don’t nerf him

It just sucks cuz if one of my teammates gets grabbed they’re cooked. The only time I can kinda save them is if I’m on Feria and can stagger him (I don’t play Justina but maybe I’ll have to learn her just for all the monks honestly lol)

[scarlet dew]

whats funny, if he is not S+ tier for one patch

they turbo buff him

until he is back to S+ tier

[lost dagger]

Monk favoritism by the devs it seems

[scarlet dew]

its probably some mix of him being fairly iconic char in naraka

and also the fact he is always atrocious in solo

[heavy summit]

What ult and skill for inor Wan?

[little cargo]

From what I seen, F1 & V2 is his best

However for me, F2 still somewhat considerable from time to time

But be noticed that he doesn't have a combo breaker

[empty swallow]

u do see good players there sometimes but ima be honest it's 90% bad players

but yeah i think the mode is fun so long as you have a friend you like playing with

and i do agree it is a watered down version of trios

but nothing wrong with that

trios isn't suffering bc of duos or vice versa

and if u wanna face more good players, u can always just queue trios around and after midnight

[scarlet dew]

most of the player difference comes from the fact that typically the best players practice for tournaments

and if there are no duo tournaments

they dont go play duo

[empty swallow]

yeah, that is logical

you see tournament players in duos frrom time to time but no one is taking this mode seriouslyy really

[scarlet dew]

that being said, there isnt very many of these tournament players

[empty swallow]

it's just a casual for fun mode imo

[scarlet dew]

in eu we barely have enough for a trio scrim

[empty swallow]

last time i played duos i ran into hypercube windy few times back to back

[scarlet dew]

i saw taliska lots of times too xd

probably boosting some guy

[empty swallow]

ye ye and taliska

it feels weird to have such a high skill disparity in a single lobby

there's players who feel like they just got out of plat

and then there's tournament players where we gotta focus aagainst them lol

[scarlet dew]

i mean zay has like 70% winrate in solo this season

and HEX similar

[empty swallow]

probably

[scarlet dew]

the skill disparity is in any mode

[empty swallow]

dunno why people even buy boosting in this game

as if you can't put on a blindfold and still hit unrivaled

[empty swallow]

maybe one day

we will have more players

[scarlet dew]

hopefully

rn its looking grim

[empty swallow]

it would be so fun if this game had the playerbase for actual matchmaking

[empty swallow]

but legit i face the same players every night

atp i memorized everyone's names and customizations and know how they play lol

[scarlet dew]

yeah that was always the case

same

xd

[empty swallow]

it feels like a school u know

everyone knows everyone

[scarlet dew]

i guess to some extent

u can change up lobby

if u go eat or something

after game

[empty swallow]

lol

[scarlet dew]

u can go another lobby probs

XD

[empty swallow]

or immortal war

some ppl play only that

[scarlet dew]

immortal war is fun for farming points

in trios

[empty swallow]

i mean in the sense of seeing new players

that u wouldnt see in regular ranked

[scarlet dew]

but 3 teams per lobby

is silly

[empty swallow]

just not enough players

IW would be peak with more teams

[scarlet dew]

trios iw never had chance tho

[empty swallow]

imagine like 10 trios teams

[scarlet dew]

it was doomed to fail

with 6 team limit

[empty swallow]

all fast paced fighting, hot dropping, racing to snowball first

man that'd be fun

[scarlet dew]

everybody asked

[empty swallow]

10 different teams every game

[scarlet dew]

for more players

in iw lobby

[empty swallow]

i stilll play it cause it's a fun deviation from the regular slowpaced mode

and the top 10 title icon looks cool

but it could be so much better

[empty swallow]

u dont even get this in EU often

it's usually 4 teams

from my experience

6 would be nice

sometimes my match literally ends in 4 minutes

we all spawn imperium, people rage res, we take red sword, gg

[scarlet dew]

well i said above

its 3 teams or so

[empty swallow]

and even that's fun

[scarlet dew]

6 team is just limit

[empty swallow]

but imagine with more ppl

[scarlet dew]

cant have more than 6

[empty swallow]

ah

i see

[scarlet dew]

but usually is 3-4

[empty swallow]

they should definitely raise the limit

maybe put 6 as minimum instead

and 10 as max

it makes it worse that ppl are for some reason afraid to hotdrop in this mode, they all spawn separate, and run away from u when u move to their square

even though it's the mode where u are rewarded and pushed to do so

[scarlet dew]

not really

[empty swallow]

so when u queue for this fast paced high snowball mode, high chances are u wont even get to fight much

at least in EU

[scarlet dew]

u are rewarded for being successful

[empty swallow]

ppl legit run away from u

[scarlet dew]

if u lose however

its basically over

[empty swallow]

i mean that it's a mode for chasing kills and fightingg early

[scarlet dew]

what u gonna do with blue trash against people with purple/golds?

[empty swallow]

but people dont do this

u can't even get golds

that's the point

and purple is super rare

most scenarios u fight with white/blue

[scarlet dew]

purple is not super rare

[empty swallow]

maybe one purple gear in the entire fight

[empty swallow]

not rly

[scarlet dew]

the loot is like normal ranked but everything 1 rarity tier lower

[empty swallow]

but it is over if u dont fight at all

then u have no money

[scarlet dew]

depends, in pro play a lot of teams opt for chill early spawn

u dont need 10000000 teams in hotdrop

[empty swallow]

it's just ranked though there isn't money on the line

who enjoys spawning alone and doing nothing but looting for 10min straight

thenn have 1-2 fights

[scarlet dew]

yeah true

[empty swallow]

and queue again for 7 mins

[earnest star]

Anyone knows, how that Trick with Matari works? When she’s in her Ult, Holding Blue and releasing it right after the Dash?

[olive sun]

after the dash?

[earnest star]

Yup

[olive sun]

like, which dash

[earnest star]

Right after the dash she releases a full Blue

[earnest star]

When she pops Ult and then F

Idk if it’s v1 or v2 actually

[olive sun]

well there's no dashing

that's the v2 teleport

it doesn't interrupt blue charge

so you charge > teleport > release

[earnest star]

Ahh I see. Thanks for that

[scarlet dew]

well u can do it with F too kinda

F1 u can just hold blue after tp in air

[earnest star]

[scarlet dew]

and F2 u can dodge into hold blue

even if u are in air

[olive sun]

not the same thing

[earnest star]

Cause yesterday I had a Matari with a GS and I ate 2 full blue rmb‘s and was just dead

It was the second Matari that did that. Thought it was more complicated to do.

[olive sun]

in good condition you can react parry it

parry when you heard the teleport sound

but

[scarlet dew]

not the same but worth mentioning this is possible

[earnest star]

Yeah I couldn’t really do much, cause it happened only the second time haha. And I didn’t knew what she was doing. And she just stomped me

[scarlet dew]

u can play around it by blocking vision

like go behind wall

[earnest star]

But now I hope I can counter it when it happens again

[scarlet dew]

if she doesnt see u

she cant tp

and in general staying mobile

if u move fast she can miss blue attack after tp

[olive sun]

i don't see how it's relevant to what he asked because plenty of abilities allows you to directly charge a blue after casting, or hold dodge then charge

[scarlet dew]

well if u want to argue semantics, he asked about matari releasing blue after dash and the only "dash" in her kit is F2

[olive sun]

which i pointed out that it wasn't a dash but a teleport

if a matari was able to do exactly what he described then that matari was hacking

[earnest star]

Ok so just for clarity. F is a Dash and V is Teleport?

[olive sun]

nah

f1 is teleport

v2 when active and you tap v it's also a teleport

but only the teleport from tapping v during v2 won't interrupt charging

[earnest star]

Ah Alr. I don’t know Matari well. I played her like 15min in Training and 1 Time Online.

[olive sun]

so you pops v2 > charge til blue is ready > tap v to teleport to target (still holding blue) > release

[earnest star]

[olive sun]

with gs yeah it's gonna be a problem if you couldn't avoid it

[earnest star]

I felt that yesterday

[heavy summit]

What ult and skill for Kylin Zhang?

[slate sierra]

F1 V2 for team modes, if playing solos or w out a healer you might want V1 since it doesn’t cost health to slash

[nimble saddle]

How to play Tarka Ji in trios and how to improve more ?

[finite burrow]

@lost dagger is your guy 👌🏻

[nimble saddle]

Oh thanks

[lost dagger]

no not me

i don't play tarka at all

you should check dunking donuts stream

[nimble saddle]

@lost dagger oh, i see. Thanks

[finite burrow]

Sorry my mistake. I thought you do play him

[little cargo]

Tarka in Trios sound like picking him and don't expect winning

[olive sun]

i never played trio as tarka but all the tarkas in my team was either a 1v3 machine or is completely useless, no inbetween

[light nebula]

guys how do u play against shayol in solo using kylin?

just run away while her ult is active?

[lost dagger]

You can either run out her ult duration or try to force out all her shields quickly so you can stagger her. Just be ready to dodge her shield throws

[chrome cliff]

the final fight between the 2 best solo players in CN was a shayol vs kylin matchup, maybe it helps

timestamped it for you: https://youtu.be/D-RoL3DD6L8?si=Bf6or1ZTyllosybg&t=995

in general, it's a good idea to watch chinese and reverse-engineer what they do

this is also zay's recommendation in the interview (also in this video)

[scarlet dew]

i hope spider gets better and better and gets 3 mortal defiances in final game of jcup 2025

[light nebula]

thanks a ton

[light nebula]

aight thx. i'll keep that in mind

[crude raft]

Should i be running fireball on tarka? The other ability seems useless since people just wait it out

[kind ginkgo]

It depends

Mostly the counter ability is considered better

[crude raft]

Interesting

[kind ginkgo]

But in some cases fireball is more appreciated, like for example in team modes

[kind ginkgo]

The enemy waiting your ability out means that they have to reset the combat phase back to 0, no advantage whatsoever

Plus it also is a soft combo breaker, so depending on how and when you use it it's pretty annoying to deal with

[crude raft]

I do ult into fireball spam, sometimes it works, sometimes doesnt

[crude raft]

Ohh that makes sense

[kind ginkgo]

I recommend asking DunkingDonuts on his stream tho, as he is the highest expert on tarka we have here. He's always super happy to help

[kind ginkgo]

Fireball is easy to dodge, that's the issue

It is used more as a combo extender in some cases (solo) and freely used in team modes where there is more chaos but tarka is less popular

In recent nbpl matches there was a pro that played fireball, hence in the end it's mostly up to preference 🤔👍

[crude raft]

ty very much, tbh im still not very good at combat so unlock tarkas full potential

[kind ginkgo]

It will take a while

Especially when starting out tarkas kit ain't really friendly; his ult can teach some bad habits due to less punishing gameplay and his lack of real combo breaker makes some situations way harder

But as you progress through the game, it will be easier 👍

[crude raft]

[kind ginkgo]

If you ever beed more help hesitate not to ask, we're always happy to do our best to be of use

[rare mulch]

if interested in fireball-centric gameplay

https://youtu.be/rZAWEn_yU8U?si=J4MSiiEs48hZ0xSd

might contain some diff combinations/angles you can consider

[crude raft]

I really need to learn that perma airborne ult combo

[midnight belfry]

I also want to learn, it sounds cool

[little cargo]

You can also tank it with blue focus

A good react focus tanking might get you a combo against fireball Tarka

[kind ginkgo]

Yep

[little cargo]

Burning out rage on one of the dangerous V in the game isn't really worth it in my opinion

[kind ginkgo]

It's prolly top 2 easiest combo in the game, it's just a matter of getting the habit of doing a faster slide uppercut after the first one 👍👍

10 mins and you have it

[little cargo]

Counter F(F1) might seems useless but you can use it as a safe defensive option.

[crude raft]

I assume its like justina gu F? But with a counter if you get lucky

[little cargo]

If the enemy press and being too agressive while your F up, free combo. If you opponent do nothing then you only lost your F and not losing much more

[little cargo]

No, not really, it is not a combo breaker so it is a bit worse than Justina in my opinion. Enemy also can bait the counter by hitting you and then tap dodge with attack that does not contained too much recovery like dagger & fan.

At the same time, I gonna repeat Eranicks point from earlier, Tarka is not newbie friendly due to his gameplay doesn't allow mistake if you don't have V and when you have V, it is hard to control while making you over-reliant on it. He will teach bad habits if you just starting out

I will not tell you to hop off him, but I will recommend you to get used to not rely on his V way too much while practicing getting good at weapon combat

[crude raft]

Youre right, my weapon combat is very random to say the least

[rare mulch]

any specific questions, just lmk or put them here cc @midnight belfry

[midnight belfry]

What are you talking about?

[rare mulch]

#🙎┃character-guides message

?

[midnight belfry]

Sounds so difficult

[rare mulch]

just need to know what your exact intent is and what inputs / combinations you are currently comfortable with

something like lmb > uppercut > fireball is fairly basic in terms of timing . once you are comfortable with punching, you can substitute that for lmb. then, add another fireball at the end, etc. at that point you've got good damage

[crystal mountain]

Hello, which character should i buy, im a beginner

[finite burrow]

Any that you find interesting 😊

[elfin quiver]

Hey i started playing the came recently and I gotten attached to wuchen if y'all got tips to help me i would really appreciate it

[kind ginkgo]

Mhhh 🤔... Wuchen is a solid hero in pretty much all modes; his gameplay, unless you are going for specific teams / comps in trios (like viper wuchen) also is. You revolve around your ultimate, the one that makes swords rain from the sky. Hit that and you are pretty much fine against anything and anyone.

His combo break is also quite potent, since he can completely disengage and eventually catch whoever was attacking him. The swords that give shield also allow you to stay in blue focus state while throwing them, if used correctly it can save you from specific situations

I d still recommend working on fundamentals such as hold checking and neutral in general tho, since they are important no matter what hero you play 👍

[elfin quiver]

Ok thanks

[kind ginkgo]

np

[final spruce]

Any tips on chasing people? Feel like people have an easy time zipping away from me and I lose em

[kind ginkgo]

https://youtu.be/dX0oYscqPFw?si=1ZnWSxUanp7-8Azd

https://youtu.be/x5CuyjDwqzg?si=NxS6xSNpSn7d6u8M

Check out those, they might give some insight 👍

[final spruce]

thanks!!

appreciate it

[kind ginkgo]

Np

[crude raft]

are characters with ults that transform them (like feria shen) are generally worse? since you can just run away?

[kind ginkgo]

Depends

[crude raft]

hmm

[long rampart]

so may I ask anyone who's available

what's the deal with the state of Lannie?

I know even after the nerfs way back then to her raw dragon and combo potential, she's still isvery mobile, has good sustain, and cc.

Why the nerfs this patch tho?

and is she still like in a decent spot?

[kind ginkgo]

Her ult has way too much stagger, once you get hit you are done for pretty much

Plus it also heals her

[long rampart]

well isn't her combo potential with her ult super niche?

compared to like Justina who can tod much more reliably?

and lyam the super criminal

[kind ginkgo]

The issue is that Lannie stun can't be avoided, Justina can't freeze you in focus state

Plus it does not heal her

And it does not deal dmg

[long rampart]

https://tenor.com/view/nod-cat-hyper-gif-9540792418684483949

[kind ginkgo]

The niche part of Lannie ult are Tod combos, but you can just leash out a few focus attacks each activation

And you have 3

Which pretty much can't miss due to the homing ability of the projectile

[long rampart]

I understand

that makes sense

[kind ginkgo]

So there are most likely the reasons, or some of them, for which they decided to nerf Lannie's ult once again

[long rampart]

well what if we factor in justina pressing V which makes her next freeze go through focus

[kind ginkgo]

Can only happen once

In her whole ult

[long rampart]

doesn't that one freeze guarentee death excluding combo breaker?

[kind ginkgo]

Depends on the situation

Not always, but definitely

Issue with Justina is that she has a mid combo breaker on the other hand

Lannie has a super strong one

[long rampart]

ohhh

what makes her f1 strong?

by comparison

im assuming one is the aoe stagger so you can use it for peel

is there anything else?

[kind ginkgo]

Lannie's?

[long rampart]

yes

[kind ginkgo]

Full combo break plus real fight reset, due to the distance

Plus a small window of invisibility which can throw enemies off their game if used well

[long rampart]

ahhh wheras justina leads to more of a tech chase situation?

instead of a full reset

well maybe tech chase isn't a good way of saying it but like

I see pros like mike dash through the stagger and continue their offense against justina f2

[scarlet dew]

justina has good combo breaker since the justina rework

[kind ginkgo]

It's decent, but can't compare to Lannie's

You stay stuck in place 🤔

[scarlet dew]

but she can stay in it

and regen stamina

and dash out

and stagger everyone

when ending

• cleanse

lannie is pretty whatever as far as combo breakers go

and in team modes

justina F can protect teammates

by clanking

and setup free dmg for them

[kind ginkgo]

That's not the main use tho 🤔

Although I definitely see your point

[sudden bone]

what’s the best ult for kylin, his first or second?

[olive sun]

v1 for solo, v2 for trio (usually pair with a healer)

you could run v1 in trio too

[crude raft]

can someone explain how this part works? especially the "sudded smash attack", it doesnt seem to work

[kind ginkgo]

When in "f" with ult aictive, you can press right button to do a sort of counter when the enemy hits yu

You*

[long rampart]

when you 2nd stage dodge, (a dodge which would normally be a roll) you will instead do an elbow strike inside of tarka ult.

if you do this after the ring of fire surrounding your ultimate bar fills, it will instead be a knee strike...If you knee strike and then press right click/vertical, you will do a grab that heals you

[long rampart]

this is unrelated to the ultimate, you're confusing it with his normal f

[kind ginkgo]

He has a different f , it's what's written there 🤔

The one with the huge waves of flames around him

[long rampart]

this is the description of v2

[kind ginkgo]

Or am I just being gaslit by the rework

[long rampart]

yes

perhaps

[kind ginkgo]

Rip

Misinformation nicks at work once again 🤦🏼‍♂️🤦🏼‍♂️

[long rampart]

his f has two moves, you get hit and left click, it's a simple elbow strike stagger. Get hit by right click, you get the big aoe move

[long rampart]

all g it happens

you're helpful more often than not <3

[kind ginkgo]

😂😂😂

[elfin pumice]

Can someone help me a little to understand the abilities of Zai please:D

[kind ginkgo]

sure, what are you having trouble understanding ?

[elfin pumice]

The two kinds of ult

[kind ginkgo]

oh, i see

someone else might be better suited than me to explain that part then. i haven't kept up with her "recent" update

[elfin pumice]

Ok, thx btw

[kind ginkgo]

sry bout that 😅

[elfin pumice]

Dont worry

[little cargo]

When you see a blue flame on your Tarka, while running, press dodge will result in knee strike, after the knee, you can tap vertical to follow up with a grab attack

To be clear, Tarka in V has a different kind of dash that can cancel animation and go straight into running, while running, pressing dodge will result in a palm strike, in heat, it replaces with a knee strike. Both are combo starter knee has better track, range and has a safe follow up

[empty swallow]

just use the burning one

[lost dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/laughing-duck-gif-1363576254939741235

[elfin pumice]

Ok

[signal ibex]

[glass shard]

that sure explained her abilities well 😭

[empty swallow]

why overthink

the game explains the difference

no point in me copy pasting that

[kind ginkgo]

One burns enemies when attacking (they take dmg over time). The other has a weird combo system that in the end does not really do much in game (it should stagger them if I recall correctly). Stun one is v1 (but it's overall "bad", and fire one is V2 (good as Marko said)

[empty swallow]

i can tell him which one is better though

[kind ginkgo]

[glass shard]

valid point, but i think they wanted a simpler explanation than the game provided

[empty swallow]

doesn't get much more simple than that

just a few sentences

i can explain why fire is strong though

fire in this game applies antiheal effect

on top of the burning hp damage that penetrates armor

[glass shard]

@little cargo there u go

[glass shard]

"hehe chain fire go brr"

[little cargo]

I'm not the one who asked

[light nebula]

im seriously having trouble trying to differentiate characters in a glance. any tips?

[olive sun]

none, everyone looks alike nowaday

but ig it's easier to differentiate them if you pay attention to their character exclusive accessories (specially head and tail), if they're wearing one

[unkempt shell]

а все

[chrome cliff]

middle mouse button them in prefight hold check or ranged combat

[empty swallow]

play longer lol

u just need to know which skin belongs to which character

[steel crane]

Hellop actually how to dodge Wuchen ult ? those blade are cancerous 🙁

[kind ginkgo]

Need to reach dodge when he throws the sword at you

When they are raining you are done for already

[olive sun]

wait 11 days then ask this again

[kind ginkgo]

They reworking him?

[olive sun]

not really a rework but some changes to his V2

which supposed to make it easier to avoid

[lost dagger]

He has 2 charges of his ult. Try to anticipate it and be ready to tap dodge when he shoots it at you. If you do get hit you can still avoid the blades. Hold focus for the small hits and tap dodge the big ones, try to go off the sound cues for the big blades. It always has the same pattern and ends with 2 big blades so you can get used to it over time

[lofty moon]

What is a good counter play to Iron Wan's ult? I sometimes have trouble moving while he gets on me. Ty

[lost dagger]

You should expect him to ult when he gets low and be ready to disengage. Grapple away, use verticality, and if you can go into a building it will be the best way to avoid him

If you are stuck fighting him don't just jump in front of him, wait for his attacks and react with tap dodges, try to use scale rush to make distance then grapple away

[glass shard]

which F variant would ya'll recommend on kylin? i currently use the choke one, usually to bait out attacks or cooldowns

[chrome cliff]

the other one

[glass shard]

The one that lets him auto parry? any particular reason?

[little cargo]

combo breaker

mostly

F2 is a combo extender but it is only really strong if you already have the advantage

[chrome cliff]

100% of kylins in competitive play f1

0% play f2

that's your reason

if you just want to be told that playing your favorite ability is fine, yeah it is fine

but it is not optimal

[empty swallow]

combo breaker 100%

[glass shard]

No i was genuinely curious😭

[glass shard]

Yeah thats a valid point

[empty swallow]

even if you are a strong player

combo breaker

being harder to kill scales with how good you are

[glass shard]

Yeah makes sense actually

[empty swallow]

any extra safety you can get is just going to make you more lethal

it's good to train without having a combo breaker

so that you aren't depending on it

but for real gameplay definitely combo breaker

[glass shard]

Ahh aight

[empty swallow]

a lot of players use it as a crutch, use it wrong actually

and then once their combo breaker is down panic

it's not the way to play

you need to confident in not losing neutral or taking huge damage even without your combo breaker

imagine fighting a bad player with explosive armor mortal defiance vs fighting zay with explosive armor mortal defiance

[glass shard]

Bet, gomna start warmup lobbies to gey used to his playstyle even more

[empty swallow]

a good practice can be custom rooms

where F and V ability are disabled

[glass shard]

Yeah i was gonna do that

[empty swallow]

it is a little boring

but good way to learn

[glass shard]

Ay whatever gets me better at the game to not be combo'd to hell and back to the title screen😭

[empty swallow]

that'd be good neutral then

i can send u videos

[glass shard]

For sure, anything will help

[empty swallow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZw3aPhmgiE
https://youtu.be/y59HE32pHqU?si=RnjQSIr9lCzRrFwS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ERpDpM4tck
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vMIlhsdQuE

fundamentals to get u started

and a good yt channel to compare your gameplay to top players in china server(higher skill server) https://www.youtube.com/@NarakaAutoReplays

[earnest star]

I still whiff my Combo Breaker all the time. Then I just get staggered to death

[empty swallow]

it wouldn't work 100% in EU because EU plays different, but you can get a good idea

[glass shard]

Gonna check these videos out first in that case

[empty swallow]

for example you can't throw 1.0 focus so often, EU players parry a lot

in EU you wanna hold blue for longer

[empty swallow]

at least you practiced 5000 dmg combos

so when you do stagger an enemy you don't need to worry about having to fight back

[earnest star]

Was cool in the beginning but pretty much useless when I look at it now

[empty swallow]

xd

i never see these combos get performed in real matches

[earnest star]

Makes sense

Cause it’s not useful at all

[earnest star]

First I thought maybe k get a better feeling for the game. But that don’t teach you how to fight properly.

[empty swallow]

neutral reigns supreme

[earnest star]

And I lack heavily on Mindgames. They’re just… Not existent

[empty swallow]

fancy combo is only to increase the reward on getting a combo starter, if terrain and environment allows it

[earnest star]

True

Like the guy I sent in Dc, where I got a crashout. He was mindgaming completely. I whiffed all and panicked completely

But playing without Combo breaker is actually a good idea. Never thought of that this much. If I made a mistake = insta punish.

[little cargo]

Basically a win more button, or a flexing one

[empty swallow]

playing inor taught me to play without combo break lol

not like his F is bad

one of the best Fs in the game imo

but you definitely have no safety net if you are caught

besides explosive armor and mortal defiance

[kind ginkgo]

Now time for f2 Lyam then 🤔😂👍

[glass shard]

@empty swallow dude, kylin is actually hella fun😭

[empty swallow]

yes

[glass shard]

Thanks alot for the vids earlier, helped me switch my playstyle abit and actually giving me a chance against custom lobbies

[empty swallow]

no problem

it is just the surface

the skill ceiling in this game is enormous

so have fun digging into that

if you're a beginner and you've mastered the fundamentals, i recommend learning the grapple combo and baasic combo for all weapons, and learning weapon swap techs

there's youtube tutorials on swap

and there is a combo tutorial for every weapon pinned in #🔱┃weapons-combat

the combos are essential for guaranteeing damage off of a light attack

[glass shard]

returning player actually, but even when i was playing, i focused on showdown completely instead of pvp

[empty swallow]

showdown is a different game

if you are playing pvp now consider yourself a beginner

[glass shard]

yeah exactly

[glass shard]

gonna check that out, need me decent combos on dual blades and staff

[empty swallow]

dual blades and staff use grapple combo

but staff does have a slightly more damaging one

[glass shard]

i mean, peak?

[glass shard]

@empty swallow i actually managed to win a few fights because of the focus checking

heng sword is hella fun paired up w dual blades

[empty swallow]

very nice

[glass shard]

is kylin's cultivation quest on mortal legend for dealing x amount of damage using musket a must on herald's trial?

tried using it on showdown and it didn't count

[earnest star]

You can do it easily in Bloodbath

[glass shard]

OH YEAHH, Thank you pooks

[wind silo]

why didn't the ball catch him and just splashed him around

[olive sun]

iirc they changed Lyam ult so you can't capture ppl if you yourself got cc'ed

[wind silo]

damn

[stone jungle]

Any tips on solo tessa? Bored of zai/ lannie and matari

[kind ginkgo]

she's pretty straightforward to play tbf

use f when caught in a combo or lose neutral

and ult on cd .

only thing to keep in mind is to defend the beacon of the ult. don't let enemies close to it. you do that and you win the fight.

[olive sun]

use your 1st ult to force enemy to ult, then disengage, wait for their ult to be over, then come back and win with your 2nd ult

[mighty sigil]

I'm new to the game and have a lot of problems
combo has stuck buttons, when pressing block, it has to complete the animation of the white attack before blocking, meaning it's delay
do I need to adjust any settings?

[lost dagger]

If you do an attack you can't cancel the animation. It will need to complete before you can do another action

[stone jungle]

With justina I always seem to "overdash" So I freeze em but I cant get a combo starter out of it. Anything I have to do?

[little cargo]

Nope, this is a fighting game, if you commit to an attack, the animation must go through before you can do another action

[olive sun]

you can stop the dash by inputting attack, hold, jump, crouch

[stone jungle]

ah makes sense lmao. Never played justina. Smh now I keep messing up my normal grapple combo after the dash

[olive sun]

should learn katana/hengsword float and ls 985 float on her

so you can do TOD

[stone jungle]

Do I need to be able to do 211 for katana/heng float?

[olive sun]

No

[kind ginkgo]

Just need high enough FPS 👍

[uncut rune]

Hi, just started playing wuchen, how do I use his 1st F? I'm used to playing his 2nd F for a few matches but still don't understand the first one

[little cargo]

Basically just like F2 on the first activation, i.e combo breaker and dash backward

But instead of throwing 1 sword and teleport to it on second activation, his 3 next F activation throw out a sword that restore your and your teammates armor by a little bit and block projectile for a while

[stuck abyss]

In addition to what Vàng said, the blades will protect you from 1 lethal attack as long as at least 1 is still floating around you (unused/unthrown).

[next vault]

i just wanted to say the biggest F word to those who made Inor Wan and all his abilities

[blazing sinew]

vouch.

[stone jungle]

Agreed. Ult and ur dead 90% of the time

[next vault]

fair point

lets nerf lannie instead

Freaking nerds

[stone jungle]

Leave my lannie alone

[next vault]

she already nerfed lmao

[potent sand]

boo

[stone jungle]

Wich Justina ult do u guys prefer?

[kind ginkgo]

V1

[empty swallow]

V1

[signal ibex]

P5

[glass shard]

Too real

[next vault]

@empty swallow don't worry you're just a character hiding behind "seasonal meta" 😏

even Shayol ult doesn't work on u 🥴

[kind ginkgo]

He's op, not hiding nowhere

He's searching for people to fight (in game)🤔😂

[empty swallow]

yes yes i'm hiding

even though other Inor players can't even touch me

but you can cry about his abilities if you want xd

[stone jungle]

Marko how do I counter inors ult? Once he pops it im as good as ded

[empty swallow]

i answered u in #💬┃general-chat

but i could just

the abilities that counter it are many cc abilities or abilities that let you move around fast/out of reach

[empty swallow]

if u are EU u could try to ult me as inor tomorrow and see how i defend myself

i think thats better