🙎┃character-guides

[scarlet dew]

at 18 DR

hp very slightly wins out

[stuck abyss]

Are there any characters that have particularly good synergy with Hadi? My partner loves playing him and we run duos all the time, so I'm wondering if there's a good pairing I'm missing. Only been back at it for a few weeks and still catching up on learning about all the heroes that released in the 3 years I was gone

[kind ginkgo]

Not really, no 🤔👍

Everything goes

[stuck abyss]

Fair enough!

[tropic pond]

how to survive zai's ult

do i just run away

[little cargo]

Trade ult with her is an option

[empty fulcrum]

Trying to find a Main since im pretty new to Naraka, Tier Lists are old af sadly. Im stuck to Wuchen now and think hes nice to play especially in 1v1`s (absolute beginner here). Is there something like an Actual Tier list for Solo/duo/Trios Characters?

[slate sierra]

I don’t think there’s an actual list but solos characters (not in any order)
Lyam, Lannie, Justina, Akos, Shayol, Valda, Tarka
Trios characters kinda depend on the composition you’re running I’ll list a few popular ones
Monk, Kylin, Zip
Matari, Zai, Cyra
Feria, Justina, Cyra
Tessa, Viper, Wuchen (V1 Wuchen)
Takeda, Temulch, Cyra

Obviously for ranked you can be way more flexible with character choices, but these were popular trios team comps in Naraka’s pro league

Pretty much any transformer is more played in trios (although feria did have her era in solos as well)

I’m not sure if new Yoto is good yet as I don’t play her at all

So leaving her out of the lists since I have no idea

[chrome cliff]

wuchen is banned, the new viper comp is viper zai matari

or viper matari temulch

[lost dagger]

Check pinned i have a trios meta comp list posted

But that really only applies to high level IW/tournament

[thick folio]

Hi. Is Zai even playable in solos? I'm mostly playing Zai and it's ok, until I run on Lannie. Also, which talents and gliphs will you recommend? I am kinda a newbie, just now reached 60 lvl and playing only solos. F1 and V2?

[kind ginkgo]

For glyphs and talents I recommend checking the glyphs video guide pinned in this channel and the list of skills for each character that @lost dagger made for us a while back 🤔👍

[lost dagger]

Just got updated for this patch

[kind ginkgo]

Zai is playable in solos, but it definitely isn't her best place, she loves chaos in order to free spam with her ult; cc counters her pretty heavily

[kind ginkgo]

Fantastic!

[thick folio]

Thanks.

[wind dagger]

Hi, how can I manage my time using akos ult? I feel like 22 seconds is barely enough to use it, This doesnt happen to me with other characters ult

[lost dagger]

Jump- land-attack for purple focus.
Jump- land-Jump- land-attack for gold focus.
If it staggers you can go into an uppercut and combo them from there and end the combo with pounce. You can also use these to shut down some ultimates because of the quick gold focus over and over.
Your air horizontals and scale rushes are also enhanced so you can make use of those for more damage and chase as well. It's not easy to avoid a good akos and he can usually get a decent chunk of damage in during his ult

[prisma field]

What can you do against Lannie V2? Is it just run away until the ult ends and come back later?

[kind ginkgo]

Yep, sounds fair

Or trade ults, depending on who you are playing

[lost dagger]

dojo signups are open #🏋┃dojo-coaching

[peak pewter]

hi guys

Could someone please tell me which skills are best to use with Cyra?

[stuck abyss]

@peak pewter check this for future reference, you can find it in the pinned messages of this channel!

[kind ginkgo]

Well said 👍👍

[open flower]

Is it okay to use karumi in solo mode.

[kind ginkgo]

Not optimal, let's say that

Her whole kit revolves around having a teammate, you can play her in solos, but it's like playing a character with no abilities

Not really good

[open flower]

The only reason I want to is cus of the persona skin 😭

[kind ginkgo]

Just queue duos then 🤔👍

You can make solo kurumi work, as @drowsy dragon did already

[open flower]

Their prob goated lol

(I only got the game today so idk much)

[kind ginkgo]

But it's unlikely you'll enjoy it with a lower level of skill, since It requires 2x the work because you have no tools outside your nejtral

[kind ginkgo]

Id recommend not playing her solo then 🤔👍

But for team modes you might indeed like her

[open flower]

Alri I understand

Thanks tho

[kind ginkgo]

Np

If u have any questions about the game or need help with anything don't hesitate to ask

Also, make sure to check pinned comments in the various channels , we put there a lot of useful infos to be starting off the game 👍

[drowsy dragon]

Nah not goated

But you definetely need basic knowledge and advanced to be able to dodge more + abilities usage

[mighty arch]

What are new good Yoto Hime glyph ?

[prisma field]

I believe they are posted here @mighty arch

[mighty arch]

So the old ones should still be fine even with the new Yoto Hime rework

[kind ginkgo]

They are indeed

👍

Pinned comments, bin's one 👍

But those glyphs take them with a grain of salt

We should update them.

For reference use #🙎┃character-guides message this instead

[past idol]

I'm like, slightly above average skill level, and want to pick up shayol wei. Any tips?

[kind ginkgo]

Work on your neutral 🤔👍

She's really easy to pick up, her abilities are op

[prisma field]

I ran into Akos Hu v3 a few times in solo and it caught me off guard both times. Are there any good counters?

[kind ginkgo]

If you go twice against the wall you are free

So either stay on and fight akos, or try to bait some openings to exit

[open flower]

Oooo gotcha 🫡

[empty swallow]

it's like fighting with training weights on

a way to force yourself to play good mechanically because you don't have good abilities to fall back on

and to outplay enemy ults because you don't have an ult to give you easier kills

[kind steeple]

Getting used to the game feeling is so hard

To be able to sense in when you can dodge etc

[kind ginkgo]

You will get there 👍👍

The secret is to never give up and always try to figure out how you can improve

The hard part is keeping your cool when an enemy approaches and fights you

[kind steeple]

Not when I get run down by pro league trios

[kind ginkgo]

Always keep your cool 👍

They are better as matter of fact, but you can still kill them

They are not invincible 👍👍

[kind steeple]

3 of us abandoned the hope of surviving and managed to kill one using everything in 2-3 sec

Their team killed all us few seconds later

[cold flax]

Does anyone have any tips or recommendations on who to watch for matari

[kind ginkgo]

Not really 🤔, what kind of help are you looking for?

[cold flax]

just general like understanding of the character

best ways to use her dash like to help combos and whatnot

[kind ginkgo]

For abilities u might want to check the pinned comments in here 🤔👍

[cold flax]

Oh shoot I didn't even realize that was in there lol thank you

[kind ginkgo]

As for her dash, it can soft combo break, it charges into a golden focus dash if u need (good to disrupt team fights with a lot of people), and it's instant cast version is a decent combo starter

[kind ginkgo]

Yw 👍

[cold flax]

Oohh ive only full charged it lol

I'll have to try the instant cast

[kind ginkgo]

It's blue focus

[cold flax]

ya

[kind ginkgo]

U can also use it to extend combos, but I can't send you a video ATM since I'm not at home 🤔😅

I'll see if I can later

[cold flax]

No worries, appreciate it!

I just got into the game about like a week ago lol

She reminds me of jett in valorant in a way so I like playing her

[kind ginkgo]

Fair 🤔

I take them the chance to recommend checking out hold checking as it's the base of the game 🤔👍

[cold flax]

Hold checking?

[kind ginkgo]

https://youtu.be/y59HE32pHqU?si=bjSO0PdUkzZqv5CB

This might help

It's the foundation of the fighting in this game

[cold flax]

Ooh tysmm

[kind ginkgo]

Np 👍

If u need help with anything don't hesitate to ask 👍

[cold flax]

Which of the variants would you recommend for trios? For Matari they recommend 3

Trios: F2V1 or F2V2 or F1V1

[kind ginkgo]

Depends on the comp you are playing and what you want to do as individual 🤔

F1 v1 is single target lockdown

With good mobility

Also self heal for you and allies

(or that's V2? Not sure 🤔)

The other variant is more of chaotic disruption and peel for supports

[cold flax]

You were correct

v1 is allies restore health and armor by attacking aenemies

[kind ginkgo]

Consider matari to be half a support in trios

You are the middle ones position 2 of the three

[cold flax]

well her little stats triangle thing shows mobility support so I figured

[kind ginkgo]

Don't really think about those

The are not always correct

[cold flax]

Oh really?

[kind ginkgo]

Same goes for hero difficulty ratings

[kind ginkgo]

Yep

[cold flax]

Yeah idk she seems really easy to me lol

4/5 seems a little odd

[kind ginkgo]

She has a high skill ceiling

But she is easy

The difficulty is mostly derived from the fact that she does not have a combo breaker

Not having one is really taxing

[cold flax]

Ohhh

yeahh

My friend's mentioned that a ton

[kind ginkgo]

Plus she's not that easy overall, once you get to higher skill levels

[cold flax]

Oh dang

[kind ginkgo]

She's got a lot of possibilities tho

[cold flax]

Shes a good main though?

Atleast for me since I'm still fairly new

I only really found out how she is because I got her extreme skin so

[kind ginkgo]

Especially because u just started, just pick someone u think it's cool

[cold flax]

Okay

[kind ginkgo]

No reason to be forced by the meta, all characters are viable 👍👍

And if you are forced into smth u don't like it's just not going to be fun

Fun > winning and meta

[cold flax]

True

I mean so far I've had fun on everyone I tried

But I also don't want to end up picking someone bad

[kind ginkgo]

No one is bad

[cold flax]

I tried Yoto Hime, Kurumi, and Valda before

Ohh okay

[kind ginkgo]

Everyone has strength and weaknesses

Valda is super solid, yoto just got reworked and it's quite strong atm

Kurumi is made for team modes, not strong for solo

[cold flax]

Is her rework good? I don't think I've barely seen it

Yeah I mostly play in a duo/trio

[finite burrow]

It is good I must say yes.

[kind ginkgo]

She's pretty strong yeah

[cold flax]

Ooh

Oh wait is it that new ult?

[kind ginkgo]

Yep

The V1 is now smth new totally

[cold flax]

Ohh dang, yeah I think I've only ran into it like twice since its been out

[prisma field]

Anyone have tips for dodging wuchen v2 if you get hit by the charm thingy?

[olive sun]

blue focus through small swords and dodge the big swords

you can rely on the sounds it makes to know when to dodge

[prisma field]

thanks

[warm mountain]

[true orchid]

Is there a place somewhere hidden in this discord, about updated builds/guides for each hero?

[cold flax]

tysm for sending this

theres tutorials ingame for it but it def explains it a lot more in depth easier to understand

[buoyant bluff]

Temmy ult clips feel like crack

[earnest star]

I’ve watched a bunch of Pro Gameplays now and then. And in so much Teams there is a Matari…
I mean I’m way to dumb for this Character but what’s her Purpose there in 3s?

[kind ginkgo]

enable zai

counter viper

[earnest star]

Ahh she can’t get stunned when invisible, right?

[iron spruce]

Picked up Cyra for the first time and liking her in trios. What’s the go to glyph setup & F & Ult to choose?

[empty swallow]

by viper? no

invisibility hides you from her ult

[gentle sparrow]

what is the best character?

[kind ginkgo]

All of them

[tropic pond]

which hero in duos should i use to play with my kylin zhang friend

[lost dagger]

kylin wants a support usually, like kurumi or zip

[tropic pond]

Alright thanks

[lost dagger]

you don't need to play that btw, you can also play like a brawler hero too, or shayol, anything can work really

[tropic pond]

Okay just wanted to know to know how to pair well with my friend's main

Thanks again coach

[lost dagger]

[prisma field]

Anyone know some good ways to improve parrying skills? I feel like I’m pretty horrible at prediction parries

[kind ginkgo]

Practice

Parry is a high risk high reward action

I personally wouldn't recommend it ever, unless you are certain of what the enemy is going to do

The more you play against people and the more you improve your hold check and neutral (which are pretty much the same thing), the more you will be able to force a reaction from the enemy and also the more you will be able to tell what they are going to do 👍

[empty swallow]

Dont prediction parry

https://youtu.be/7vMIlhsdQuE

Parry like this

Punish parry

Prediction parry should be a last resort, most of your parries should be punishment parries

But in general work on your reading skill too

You need to be able to read your opponent and you do this by dancing in neutral and holdchecking

[little cargo]

Yeah but the dodge is still prediction still

Prediction should be based on learned information, or educated guess based on behavior of your opponent.

As for how to improve in parry, my recommendations are restrain and read. Restrain your parry just from blue focus, using dodge to avoid blue focus is an option. Read your opponents, guess their actions, release time based on how they move and how they fight, these come with experience (for both keep yourself calm during the fight and for how to read your opponent while observing them)

[prisma field]

Thanks everyone

[indigo mulch]

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[delicate wagon]

anyone has Cyra build, can you drop me pls

[clever shore]

guys, where can I find Zai guide?

[dusky minnow]

whats better to use on zipping in duos and trios f1 v1 or f1 v2?

[wraith frigate]

f1 v1

check pins

[tired minnow]

I need to know is Kurumi good her Violet skin is so tuff 😭

[olive sun]

one of the most popular hero in trio

[daring steppe]

https://medal.tv/de/games/naraka-bladepoint/clips/kKEMIS8tVR2Vl9flt?invite=cr-MSxmZEUsMjE1NTE3NjYy

can someone tell me how i can iframe with trickstep?

why it doesnt work

does it only apply to the first fox hit against tessa for example

[kind ginkgo]

You cannot 🤔👍

It's not an I frame move

[little cargo]

Only moves that makes your character temporary disappear work

[slate sierra]

Lannie’s combo breaker does have invisible frames tho and I’ve used those to dodge a viper V1 snap. But yeah invisible frames don’t work against Tessa ult, or else matari V1 would be uber busted

[daring steppe]

it says immune tho

so how i had understand that, during trickstep i should be immune to enchant, but it clearly doesnt work like this i tried it a few times

shouldnt have called it iframe, my bad

[slate sierra]

they might be referencing the moment where lannie can reactivate her v to teleport to the ball? im not sure if that counts as true iframes or not as ive never tested it

if its the same as shayol v2 teleport than i think it can be used to dodge tessa ult snap

[daring steppe]

She gets the Trickstep stance for like 1 sec after activating ult

you can see above my head in the vid

[slate sierra]

trickstep is the name of the ult variation is my understanding, but naraka english translations have always been touchy

if you have a friend to hop into the custom with i do think the only way lannie v2 could immune a tessa ult would be the teleport after a ball throw as it might be a blink similar to shay v2

but everything else in her ult is just gold frames, so you might ignore a valda spear or shayol shield throw as its the same level of gold focus as when those ults are thrown but tessa ult is a bit different, it pulls people out of gold focus

[daring steppe]

yea guess thats only way to find out

alrght ty

[slate sierra]

yeah sorry i cant say for sure, i have limited time on lannie and tbh ive never thought of using her v2 that way before

[daring steppe]

all good appreciate the help

[slate sierra]

[kind ginkgo]

I frames are invincibility frames 😅👍😂

Invisible ones usually don't have any kind of effect as you kindly pointed out

Lannie V1 is still interrupted by Tessa ult tho

(the flying carpet one)

The other one is the same minus the constant hyper armour u have when flying in the air, since you are grounded and playing normally

[slate sierra]

I’m aware of what I frames are, that’s why I specified invisible/stealth frames on her F.

[kind ginkgo]

👍👍

My bad then, sry for pointing it out again in that case 😅🤔

[slate sierra]

her v2 teleport MIGHT be actual iframes but as i said i havent tested it, though i wouldnt be surprised if it is like shay v2 which can dodge things like tessa ult/break akos v3 etc

[kind ginkgo]

The part where she teleports to the ball for the huge dunk yes, it works

Really tight tho

The other nop, regular dash. It just gets interrupted midway👍

Shayol V2 on the other hand u are totally correct, in fact when Tessa was meta last year, Shayol was used as her counter exactly for that interaction 👍👍

[slate sierra]

Yeah so Lannie does have I Frames then, but it would be hard to use since it requires the ball to be in play + not on your person to activate the teleport blink

[kind ginkgo]

Yep

[lost dagger]

Can someone screenshot the ult description? I think trickstep might be active during her f after the ball throw but I'm not sure

[lost dagger]

Ty

Maybe it is only when activating it then. Although in my experience doesn't really work that way, so the description might be misleading

[slate sierra]

Yeah the only other interpretation I can maybe see making sense is you get the immunity for the very first ball throw? Isn’t Yoto also immune to stuff like that during her first slash? (of the older Yoto ult not the new one to be clear)

So maybe because you ulted but hadn’t entered the “throwing/charging” state you didn’t get the immunity? Idk 🤷‍♀️

[kind ginkgo]

Old one got interrupted by Tessa charm and viper stun still 🤔👍

Possibly immune to staggers from focus attacks of any level but not certain stuns?

[lost dagger]

They changed it

Read the description

Misinformation era

[kind ginkgo]

🤦🏼‍♂️🤦🏼‍♂️🤦🏼‍♂️

[kind ginkgo]

I knw they changed it

I was referring to old yoto hime

[lost dagger]

They changed the old one too

Gave it cc immune on first slash

[kind ginkgo]

On activation, no? 🤔

[lost dagger]

Yes

[kind ginkgo]

👍

[wraith coral]

how to maximize cyra usage on solo? felt like it doesnt do anything, more like I cant hit anything

[prisma field]

Yeah cyra is rlly easy to run away from

You could try spamming cc instead of using the laser

[lost dagger]

Dojo signups are now open for Saturday #🏋┃dojo-coaching message

[dim warren]

this is a really dumb question but is there like a chinese teirlist/meta analysis? The only things I can find on the NA side are close to 5 months old

[wise parrot]

Can I parry matari blue focus F or use takeda F on its ?

[empty swallow]

no

you cannot parry

takeda F on blue ive never tried lol but i highly doubt it works like that

you have to dodge it

takeda F is for weapon attacks

[wise parrot]

Well its work on wuchen F for some reason

[wise parrot]

Thank for the info

[empty swallow]

it might ive never tried it, u should get a friend in customs and try im curious

but 100% cannot parry and should be dodged

[wise parrot]

I don’t have both of those thing :V that why I’m asking here

[chilly relic]

what is champion fight match?

[chrome cliff]

there are no players in your lobby because the dev think it's a good feature

you can set the world on fire by upvoting this https://discord.com/channels/750237703739539497/1398077105022959696

we've had this before a few years ago and it flopped then already

[chilly relic]

ahh gotcha

thank you!

[little cargo]

F3 only

F3 grabs any blue focus. However F1 cannot grab non weapon attack

[wraith coral]

any good reason to prefer kylin v2 over his v1?

[kind ginkgo]

Generally it's better in a team scenario where you have someone that can heal you

It provides more dmg and it lasts longer if used correctly

Also it covers a much larger area in comparison

But without a support like ziping that can outheal what you lose passively with each dash, it's not worth it

[wraith coral]

ah got it

thanks

[light granite]

I agree, it's too bad that I can find a game in solo mode ANY time. Cringe

[dire mason]

what glyph should i use for vlada,lannie in solo/trio

[kind ginkgo]

Standard rage and grapple should be fine

[dire mason]

Thank you and for justina should i use same

[kind ginkgo]

It would work the same 🤔👍

That's pretty much the base for most heroes

Then u can adapt as u feel fit

[dire mason]

Thank you

[chrome cliff]

that's not what I said

you find games, but once you're in there is only 10 players

[light granite]

Only "10 players" but now you can play the game and not wait for prime time from 4 pm to 2 am. Its a pity that most often a lobby of 40 people consisted of 20 bots. Maybe you liked waiting in queue for an hour. lol

My take applies to solo mode i can't speak for others

[chrome cliff]

the "prime time" you describe is 10 hours long and i'd argue it's actually longer since it's no problem to find games even a few hours before and after that

you can play naraka for 16 hours a day no problem, start with some combo practice or customs and end with late night customs

with a fat 12 hour block of ranked

if that's not enough for you, nothing will make you happy

[light granite]

Alright let me put it another way. I like how you pull the main idea out of the conversation and then list other modes that have nothing to do with it. Let me explain it to you in a way even an "alternatively gifted" person would understand.

Say you live in an apartment and you can only get in between 4 PM and 2 AM. But for whatever reason you don’t make it on time and someone tells you, "Hey man, go sleep on a bench or check into a motel." Its the same thing here - i want to play solo, and i dont care about other crap. Champion Fight fixes this issue so you can easily find a match anytime.

If your entire argument boils down to bringing up factors completely irrelevant to solo mode (custom lobbies, combo practice), then don’t reply to me at all. This is starting to annoy me.

[prisma field]

what is the range on tessa ult?

A tessa hit me with their ult when i couldnt even see them

it was v1 i believe

[kind ginkgo]

It's a pretty long range 👍

[olive sun]

and it goes through walls

[tawny hemlock]

how do you beat kylin when he's ulting?

[earnest star]

highground

[tawny hemlock]

so run? I meant are there any intervals where he's vulnerable more so lol

Like for instance with justina she can't freeze you if you're charging so that's the counterplay because for everyone you can kinda say run

[prisma field]

Ah that makes more sense

[olive sun]

more like it goes through everything lol

[chrome cliff]

dodge the slashes, at the end of his attack there is a window to counterstagger

if you have gold focus abilities like ziping F or V, you can also armor through his slashes

don't jump against kylin

[chrome cliff]

highground is pretty bad generic advice

kylin can aim up and if he hits you in the air, he can juggle you

in final circle, it's better to be on low ground against kylin, or he'll send you flying to Narnia

and you die to shadow

[cursive hinge]

How to play yoto hime

[tawny hemlock]

What’s counterstagger mean?

Also thanks I like the advice you’re giving, I also kinda thought highground sounded bad, so I assumed what was meant was run away, but even that isn’t really advice to begin with

[kind ginkgo]

If you are higher compared to the enemy there is a range of things that won't work or that won't work as well 👍

Counter stagger is simply the chance to stagger him as a counter to his attack

A window where he is open to stagger after the move before he can start holding again

[tawny hemlock]

Might be a stupid question but how would I go about doing that? By using what kind of attack? Light, charge or a counter (I assume counter doesn’t work)

[kind ginkgo]

Light attack usually, weaved precisely after his full combo of slashes

Easy way to deal with him is to run away or scale rush around tho

The dodge one is hard and personally I don't feel comfortable with it

[tawny hemlock]

Yeah until he catches you lol, if you’re in a more open area I guess you gotta counterstagger but if I have the opportunity to scale rush I should. I’m alright at chaining scale rushes I guess I gotta practice that, thank you 🙏

[kind ginkgo]

👍👍

Exactly

[karmic wolf]

prepare to be hit anyways, cuz the netcode is awesome like that

[kind ginkgo]

👍

[spice nymph]

any tips for a new wuchen main?

[kind ginkgo]

Your ult is your safety trigger

If you have ult, you nearly always win fights, if you don't, you will have a harder time

[spice nymph]

ok i see but is the v1 useful, i see ppl usually run the v2

[kind ginkgo]

Teleport one is useful in some specific team compositions

But overall the falling blades one is overpower, there isn't much that can equal it

Especially because of a known, let's call it "feature"

[spice nymph]

?

huh

[kind ginkgo]

If you miss the enemy when you throw the blade, it will create an aoe where blades will constantly fall from the sky

Any enemy that gets hit in there, is staggered for the whole duration of the aoe

It technically is a big from my understanding, but it's there

Bug*

[spice nymph]

so usually do u aim at people or terrain

[kind ginkgo]

People of you can

Terrain of you want to lock down a zone where let's say 2 or more people are

It depends on the case

Your nemesis are Shayol and Justina btw, due to their capability to tank your ultimate

This isn't always true, but mostly

[spice nymph]

i see, also does his f1 prevent fatal strikes if there only 1 floating blade?

[kind ginkgo]

Yes

[spice nymph]

damn

[kind ginkgo]

As long as there is a floating blade it will have that effect

It's written in the description afail

Afaik*

[spice nymph]

dont cryra also able to tank it?

[kind ginkgo]

Not all of it

If it's on her, she will get staggered by the big hits still

No idea about the aoe since I don't recall the interaction atm

[spice nymph]

even in her ult?

[kind ginkgo]

Yes

[spice nymph]

cool

[kind ginkgo]

Specifically in her ult

[little cargo]

She can dodge the hit still.

[kind ginkgo]

Yep, exactly

[little cargo]

Rather funny interaction with Wuchen V2 and Hadi V

If Hadi got hit by V2 and then fly around

The big sword will whiff and attack will fall down below him

I have no one to test weither this attack still deal damage or not but seeing a falling blade miss you only to fall to the ground is hilarious

[kind ginkgo]

😂😂

[tawny hemlock]

wuchen is genuinely broken, it doesn't seem all that possible to dodge that. How do you dodge that ult lol

Also is there counterplay for Zai's ult as well

[dusty pecan]

hmmp

[gritty dragon]

what meta hero today?

[kind ginkgo]

All of them are good

Don't bother about meta before getting comfortable with the game 👍👍

Learning mechanics is way more important compared to the hero you play

Picking someone you like is more important

[gritty dragon]

thanks for the advice ❤️

[chilly relic]

Does silence counter Kylin's ultimate?

[little cargo]

Only if you silence him before he press V

[chilly relic]

Gotcha, thank you!

[wind dagger]

How does akos counter shayol? I read he counters her, but how?

[kind ginkgo]

His tiger jump ignores her ult

[earnest star]

Does Hp Jades work with that too, or just Weapon/Armor Rarity?

[wraith frigate]

Just armor and weapon

[knotty silo]

what skill and ult is generally recommended for kurumi in trios? (nvm i checked pinned messages)

[prisma field]

From my experience as a zai main she is really weak to crowd control (tessa, wuchen, a long combo). It is also rlly annoying when people run away

[tawny hemlock]

what about in a 1v1 scenario? is there any counterplay, like intervals where you can attack or things besides running?

[prisma field]

uhh

If you can dodge her charged attack, it gives you an opportunity to start a combo

Most people use her v2 tho which has a wider range, so its harder to dodge

If you wait for her to use that big aoe, then her attacks are basically just a straight line so you can dodge it more easily

I believe there is enough time to start a combo before she charges her next charged attack

[nocturne cliff]

How do I deal with Feria ult? Do I just try to get cover the moment she cast it?

[kind ginkgo]

Either that or you can dodge it

Tap dodge when you see the bullet incoming

It's hard, but it's a possibility

[little cargo]

She will be in either in 2 state during her ult: the running around state and the unable to move state (idk the name so sorry if it is confusing)

While her mech able to run around, she can heal herself but you can damage her armor & hp directly with range weapon outside of cannon by shooting at the middle of her mech. If she is in the unable to move state then you can find cover or just tap dodge her cannon shot

[lost dagger]

also the mech has a healthbar and if you can burn it her ult will end early

but usually just worth kiting it and resetting unless you have multiple people burning her ult

or if she's very low you can try to get the kill on her with direct damage like vang said

[nocturne cliff]

Thanks guys

[teal ermine]

tarka ji glyphs?

[true marsh]

is it still possible to do the tarka infinite uppercut?

[little cargo]

Yes

[kind ginkgo]

Yes, it's his main mechanic

[elfin sand]

help please

[kind ginkgo]

Pinned comments have your answer

[broken pivot]

Can anybody Tell me the perfekt Talents for yoto

[kind ginkgo]

Pinned comments 👍👍, there is a whole list of all the used skills 👍

[lost dagger]

if you are new to yoto, use f2. f1 is great and I always use it but if you can't get value from it just stick to f2. the v1 is very fun to use and can outplay other ults if you know what you're doing, but v2 is solid and can give you easy value if you aren't good with v1

[broken pivot]

Im Not that new but in my Rank rn is really Hard 😂 maybe i need to practice more with her.

[earnest star]

What is more important in Solos/Duos? Stamina Reg or Grapple Distance? idk without grapple Distance i lose an enemy way to often and in fights my Stamina just runs out...

[olive sun]

personally i couldn't live without grapple distance
it's just so nice to have

but i mostly play trios tho

[kind ginkgo]

Grapple distance. In all modes

It's just that impactful

[kind steeple]

I cant live without grapple speed 😭

[true marsh]

alright thanks

[little cargo]

Grapple distance is always better option, especially when you started to have a feel for the game. Stamina management becomes easier while grapple distance becomes more and more important

[lost dagger]

Oh ok. You just joined the server that day so i thought you are new. But you can use based on your preference anyway. Yoto takes some time to learn especially the new ult. If you want I can give you a more detailed explanation. I've been grinding yoto this season, I'm even rank 1 yoto

Maybe I should make a yoto guide

[finite burrow]

Maybe 🥳. Please do 🥹

[broken pivot]

Yes please, I just got under the top 100 yoto in Server Rank but it’s so Hard now 😂👀

[lost dagger]

It will be easier to explain on stream so i can demonstrate but I'll give a brief explanation.
So her ult gives you new attacks that are really good cc and pressure, not too much damage but if you can get a lot of hits in and tank other ultimates you can get a lot of value from it.

The hardest thing to understand is the stoneform. Her light attacks will stoneform light attacks, her charge will stoneform focus and when she finishes charging it will stoneform gold focus too

When she enters stoneform she will tank any additional hits and after 4 hits she will unleash a knockback attack with ultimate focus

When you reactivate the ult it gives you 4 seconds of ultimate focus and a slash that does little damage but a lot of self healing, this is great for countering other ultimates, peeling, or getting back health.

And for combat in ult, try to get light attacks for the most dps, you can even toothpick with her ult. The charge attacks are good but might knockback enemies too much for your team to follow up. The vertical charge is especially good at catching people in the air and you can also use it to avoid tarkas and yueshans or other things by charging then jumping, repeat.

Her jump horizontals are also great at tracking enemies

[indigo mulch]

🎉 | Poly leveled up!

[nocturne cliff]

Ah well apparently I took a screenshot instead of saving the photo but I wanted to ask, are these listed in order of role? Like roles 1, 2, and 3 going left to right?

[kind ginkgo]

Nop

Just who picked who afaik 👍🤔

Because for example in the zai comp she's 1 , not 2

[nocturne cliff]

Gotcha. Thanks

[twilit tartan]

How exactly does this work if you want to parry the hero in Ultimate? I tried it in Free Training, but no luck.

[olive sun]

parry who?

[twilit tartan]

for example hadi or tarka in their ultimate form

[olive sun]

you can't parry tarka ult

hadi ult you can only parry his 3rd stage charge attack

[twilit tartan]

Oh, okay. I can pick him in free practice, so I thought you could counter him.

[olive sun]

''countermeasure'' means like, going against their stuffs

not literally counter as in parry their ult

[twilit tartan]

I've tried the others too, but I haven't had any success, but I don't know the conditions... like Hadi with 3rd stage

[olive sun]

currently at this moment the only ult you can parry is hadi 3rd stage charge attack
with next update you can parry cyra 1st-2nd stage beam

[twilit tartan]

As I understand it, you have to press the parry button. That's why I call it parry xD

[olive sun]

ehh

[twilit tartan]

I only saw a short clip. Yes, it's not a parry in the true sense, but you have to parry at the right moment, then it just clanks.

[olive sun]

bro

no

what i mean

is you can ONLY do that to hadi ult 3rd stage charge attack at the moment

you CANNOT do that to ANY other heroes

[twilit tartan]

yes I understood that

[kind ginkgo]

Only things that are partially are focus attacks that glow blue

And that are done with weapons that you can pick up

If the attack does not fall in that category, it's not parriable, you need to dodge it

[little cargo]

This is to learn how to dodge their move or fight against them using abilities. Still the bot is rather dumb still

[tepid relic]

is Lyam Liu the one with raining swords skill? If yes, what do i do against that guy in 1v1? i got destroyed by 1v1 in last circle against that hero and i couldnt move at all and cant dodge?

is it like viper ult that u need to be out of LoS?

[olive sun]

no that's wuchen v2

you can dodge the initial cast and avoid getting caught inside the bladerain area

if you got hit by the initial cast you can hold blue to reduce dmg taken from small blades while preserving your stamina to then tap dodge the big blades, rely on the sounds it makes

or you can use your own gold focus abilities to tank through it

[tepid relic]

I see.
Thank youuu

[lunar heron]

Trying to learn Shayol but I see people saying she’s a bad character to learn because she teaches bad habits. I’d like to make sure I am mindful of that, what are the bad habits she might teach me? Abusing ult to spam blue attacks?

[little cargo]

I assume it is a similar case to Tarka, over reliant on V

[chrome cliff]

you can't get staggered in her ult except by hard CCs

so you develop the habit of getting staggered all the time if you onetrick her

lmao

[verbal vine]

Hey do you guys have a good video about lannie combo guide ?

[kind ginkgo]

There isn't a single one with all combos afaik, especially now that the raw dragon (combo start from her ult) got patched out 🤔

If you need specific ideas I should have a few saved somewhere 🤔👍

[verbal vine]

Not specific idea, but more like basic working of her ult for example how can i do know the bubble will push the enemy on the last hit

[lunar heron]

Got it. Been playing this game on and off for a bit but trying to actually get good now. Would you say she’s a bad character to learn the game with then?

[kind ginkgo]

That's a good question, it depends on where the enemy is compared to the center of the ground smash

Hence it's pretty imprecise

Depending on how you act around it

[chrome cliff]

yeah, she is one of the worst choices

imo the character that's best for learning the game on is viper

i can also recommend yoto (using the old ultimate)

[kind ginkgo]

As for how the ult works, it's pretty straightforward: after activation, press f to throw a ball at the enemies and this will stagger them for a while. The last hit throws them into the air. 🤔👍

Aside from that, when the ball is away you can press v once to do a big aoe attack

Can't use it while under attack, if you hold it it's golden focus afaik 🤔

[chrome cliff]

learning the game on viper and/or yoto is tough, you will probably lose a lot as a new player
but at least you're learning the game how it's meant to be played, without overrelying on overpowered abilities

[verbal vine]

yea i know that, but how can i not where the last hit of the ball will throw the enemy like in the combos people just upercut after the last hit, but how they know where will the guy be thrown

[lunar heron]

Thanks! I’ll play more of those

Just got to Solar so I’m playing vs more real players and less bots now so I feel like it’s time to actually learn haha

[chrome cliff]

i recommend 3bans for learning https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eEnjEpzzfps&t=178s&pp=ygUMM2JhbiBuYXJha2Fh

then play solo ranked on viper / yoto

you can do 1ban and 0bans in between

but it's generally helpful to focus on one thing at a time if you are new

like learning a specific weapon before moving on to the next

[lunar heron]

Oh yeah I’ve seen some of your videos, I felt like the name was familiar. Great content!

Is there a particular weapon that’s good to learn early? Longsword/katana are my most used

[kind ginkgo]

They don't, the trick is to catch them at the beginning of that throw

If you match the timing, no matter the direction, you will hit them at a similar spot always (near the Apex, at the beginning)

[verbal vine]

Oh okay, i think i got it

Anyway do u have some vids about how to combo with lannie ult ?

Except hightlight no one explain how to learn it x)

[kind ginkgo]

There are not afaik 🤔

There are montages

But all of the ones I found are outdated (still using the ukt to start the combo)

[earnest star]

Any good chars to play with yueshan? Idk i feel so useless, when my m8 plays him...

[weak temple]

is it still possible to do kurumi umbrella combos or outdated? was watching longnote's video from a year+ ago

[chrome cliff]

stick to those for now, they are good

[true marsh]

can someone teach me how to play yoto?

I keep doing poopoo damage with her ult

[edgy stratus]

https://youtu.be/GvYWu_YnckM
Not ult but in general this was good

He's played a lot of yoto watch his other vids too

[true marsh]

ok thanks

[drowsy cape]

can someone teach me how to play kylin zhang?

[kind ginkgo]

What do you need to know?

[drowsy cape]

about his ult

[kind ginkgo]

Pretty straightforward, charge the attack, aim at the enemy, let go 🤔👍

Go v1 if you have no healer with you, so that you don't lose hp; V2 if you have a healer that can heal you

Try to avoid non charged attacks since they cost 1 stack 🤔👍

[lost dagger]

Working on a guide

But i typed up a lot that no one seemed to read

[lost dagger]

@true marsh check this

[lost dagger]

You can use light attacks for good dps. I will usually go for 1-hold dodge-1-2-hold dodge-1 then charge and repeat

[dull turret]

With so much nerfs happening to Cyra (i mean for god sakes, shes been nerfed all year), is she even fun to play as anymore or even useable to go up against others? Any tips especially for the upcoming update?

[true marsh]

alright thank you!

[chrome cliff]

just wait until the update is live, try her out and pay attention to how many cyras you see in the game

pointless to speculate now

[static grotto]

Can Lannie's trick ball leap ult stagger anyone? Ik she can stagger yoto's new ult while yoto is mid charge but anyone else?

[kind ginkgo]

It cannot stun everything , nop

But golden focus it does stagger

What is "saved from it" are abilities like Shayol ult if active, Justina freeze, transformers when transformed

And a few other things I think?

[static grotto]

@kind ginkgo ouhh okay thank you!

[nocturne cliff]

Do we already know which of Inor's abilities seem better?

[little cargo]

For me F2 seems superior in team mode but F1 is better for solo

As for V, I think V1 is worse in most case and V2 is gonna be the general go to

However this is my impression, for the reality, we must wait and see how the game evolve with him in it

[somber mortar]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[kind ginkgo]

No prob

[toxic herald]

Im interested 👀

[willow cipher]

Yea had the same impression from test servers for the last week

[lost dagger]

I have some tips written there, I've been working on a guide if you want to see what I got written so far, but need to record and edit the video

[toxic herald]

I can wait for the video, where will i find it?

[keen hinge]

So Inor his V2 is definitely more comfortable in combos

Ult im still playing with to see which is better

[lost dagger]

youtube once it's done

[lost dagger]

yeah v2 seems way better because of the teleport function too

and ranged attack

[little cargo]

Also you can have your teammates combo with you

Jump -> F -> air Vertical for the confirm thunder plunge attack (idk the name) -> teammate pick up spear -> throw -> you teleport for the second confirm thunder plunge attack

[kind ginkgo]

Can't combo with inor ult

Spent the whole morning testing kt

I got some nice combo extensions with F1 tho. F2 is a bit slower so it can only / mostly end the combo while adding some extra dmg 🤔👍

[little cargo]

throwing at enemy grounded and you can do something similar to dagger Vertical focus -> uppercut (i.e can't be done on bot but possible on players)

[little cargo]

There are couple of combo but require teammates or airborne

[kind ginkgo]

Hence a soft true one🤔

[kind ginkgo]

That's another case, yeah 🤔🤔

Haven't tested coop tho

[little cargo]

@kind ginkgo tested this with my friend

[kind ginkgo]

I got some work to do then 🤔👍👍

[little cargo]

But at the same time

His F2 interrupting gold focus

[small talon]

https://medal.tv/games/naraka-bladepoint/clips/kQHrNwkWPqM0SjQdS?invite=cr-MSxuQlQsMTQ5NzU3NTA&v=96

[little cargo]

on both initiation and recast

[small talon]

sorry to disrupt lol

[little cargo]

no worry, we all discussing here

[tepid relic]

so what you do against Inor Wan when he ultimate?

[little cargo]

Be awared of his F I guess

[kind ginkgo]

Yeah, it's insane

Also high dmg

[little cargo]

For now playing with my friend, I usually waiting for him to use his F mostly, using terrain to buy time mostly

At the same time, he might has high mobility in the air, he cannot hit airborne target without his F

During V I mean

[kind ginkgo]

That carousel I soent the whole morning trying to hit 😂😂😂

[little cargo]

I tried the heng + rampage combo

[kind ginkgo]

Run, beard of the thrown thunders

[kind ginkgo]

I went for basic stuff

[little cargo]

Still the combo extender for F1 seems kinda meh for a lot of weapon

[kind ginkgo]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1253390266010697808/1402947328033292299/Naraka_2025-08-07_11-31-25.mp4?ex=6895c404&is=68947284&hm=8450d99f3a336eda26dbe4a582cd3bba24fc99d3535abb5a6371e74c73f21027&

[kind ginkgo]

It's not really an extension, heah

[little cargo]

I can only make use of it for LS, staff/spear, throwing knives and Heng

[kind ginkgo]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1253390266010697808/1402944690487296030/inor_wan_knives.mp4?ex=6895c18f&is=6894700f&hm=ac7f48e0615e9d1be297ff378cd258871b2dd54121fe38586ee45ff6777cf95a&

For knives and LS looks best

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1253390266010697808/1402940988535865344/Naraka_2025-08-07_11-03-00.mp4?ex=6895be1d&is=68946c9d&hm=2deb1b0921878230d40136f937e34546baa736f0c52f90bc69de10f162f89271&

[little cargo]

Somes of them are even worse than going for standard combo ngl

[kind ginkgo]

Here is a few things I was working on this morning, when I could sit still

[kind ginkgo]

If you go f2, it deals more dmg and it does not need to be fancy 🤔😂

[little cargo]

Well, like I said, for me F2 is superior in team mode

F1 does seem better for solo but F2 is not out of the question

[kind ginkgo]

Yeah

[little cargo]

But for V

V2 is just go to for 99% of the time

[kind ginkgo]

I have to test ults still, not sure of the difference

Just tested if I could extend combos or do combos with neutral attacks

[little cargo]

V1 is like a Temmy team combo but with somewhat ehhh energy

[kind ginkgo]

Notee

What I saw is that the activation is super long

Which makes sense, considered his kit, but it feels a bit off

[small talon]

https://medal.tv/games/naraka-bladepoint/clips/kQIajHM3biGywvxui?invite=cr-MSxJZ24sMTQ5NzU3NTA&v=9

i only get this version when i do one uppercut in the beginning

its gets really hard when i try it with two

[small talon]

https://medal.tv/games/naraka-bladepoint/clips/kQIrMT4qGP3Qk45E-?invite=cr-MSxDSTYsMTQ5NzU3NTA&v=10

[small talon]

https://medal.tv/games/naraka-bladepoint/clips/kQIMSSFKqZBQpszlF?invite=cr-MSxWVkssMTQ5NzU3NTA

figured i could so something with a katana

https://medal.tv/games/naraka-bladepoint/clips/kQIXeo7KhONTH-FC3?invite=cr-MSxSWXUsMTQ5NzU3NTA

and this seems really rng

[little cargo]

@kind ginkgo I currently trying these out but as you can see I am doing the 25% render scale thing only to boost my fps to combo threshold XD

[kind ginkgo]

i got the same problem

gotta ask Luck to do it for us i fear 🤔

their fps look insane

[small talon]

Erm

Im out now

Bouldering

But the thing is you cant get it after doing the second uppercut with heng or katana if you wanna uppercut after F1

In my clips i just do it after the first one

Only works woth longsword i think

[little cargo]

Yeah, did a couple of testing

after they landed, F1 cannot extend combo much

so they have to be high

[prisma field]

I assume you just treat inor wan v as something like yueshan v?

[tired marten]

any glyphs ideas for Inor?

[lost dagger]

you can forego the last red one I would think

so I would get full green top tree, first blue, then the rest in red

[tired marten]

yeah that's basically what i have already, thanks bro!

[kind ginkgo]

Enjoy!!!

[kind ginkgo]

Yep, I was looking for a way to have the enemy higher up

[keen hinge]

Auto has red and green should I change it for inor?

[kind ginkgo]

@little cargo

managed to hit it

[rare bay]

Inor Glyphy just use standard glyps

[indigo mulch]

🎉 | Neffy leveled up!

[keen hinge]

Red and green?

[kind ginkgo]

yes

[tired marten]

guys, going through the thunder pack now for Inor and i'm wondering what's a "hero's theme" and where can i see what it would be used for? any ideas?

[rare bay]

Does it show a record player?

Easier if u show a image

[viral field]

Where can i learn inor wan combos

[rare bay]

He just came out so you will need to give it some time

[kind ginkgo]

We are working on it, came out yesterday, we are testing him 🤔😂😂

If you scroll up a few messages we sent a few ideas we came up with. Yesterday

[viral field]

ohh no not rushing like my qn is more of asking where can i find guides n combos on characters/weapons? cause i think youtube is quite outdated at least for the popular ones maybe there is somewhr i wasnt informed about

[kind ginkgo]

Basic weapons combos we have a few pinned videos in #🔱┃weapons-combat , I've posted a link for one of them this morning since someone was asking 🤔👍

For character specific combos, just ask, I'll see what I have around 🤔👍😂

There are some people with their personal library of combos 👍

[viral field]

where do they find it? or just saved it themselves through discord?

[kind ginkgo]

We mostly clip our gameplay and tests 🤔😅😅😂

It's a self made library

[viral field]

ohh

is there a fast way to find them or do i need to scroll and find it

[kind ginkgo]

For example I got mostly Kylin and Lyam interactions

[kind ginkgo]

Just ask

We don't have many posted around

Character specific ones I mean

[viral field]

alrigth thank u

[kind ginkgo]

Np

[kind ginkgo]

It should be a voice pack

Afaik

[edgy stratus]

Can viper v2 link proc stagger focuses? And up to which color

[kind ginkgo]

Viper V2 stagger aswell as v1 stagger all when they hit

Only thing it's short

[edgy stratus]

I can run up right before, but can't toothpick right? Have to go into uppercut after 1 light

I'm mostly playing solo and duo with someone who doesn't play characters with a lot of control so I just take V2 for myself pretty much

[kind ginkgo]

Nop, ult stagger counts as 1 hit 👍

Hence you can only do an horizontal into uppercut

[edgy stratus]

Ok

[tired marten]

ahh alright thanks!

[rare bay]

Yeah its how they talk

The pack changes their voice

Or dialouge

[tawny hemlock]

cyra got nerfed which is good, but I find it odd that you can counter her now but not other characters, that's odd game design, kylin's ult should be counterable and same with zai

[lost dagger]

they aren't making all the changes at once, hadi got the same treatment and I suspect most the heros will as well

or at least a few more

[tawny hemlock]

I completely get that, it’s just odd because it’s really nice for every ult to have counterplay

[true marsh]

how do I survive Inor's ult? It's pretty easy if the terrain is rocky like ravines, but it's damn near impossible on a flat terrain.

[finite burrow]

Run away 😬

[prisma field]

does lannie's ball stagger gold focus?

[mint parrot]

So I just saw cyras ults kind of gutted, which ult is better now?

They also removed the dmg reduction of v2 it was never overpowered?

[modest sorrel]

They really nerfed Cyra then 😭

[mint parrot]

8 sec ult with just a small ring of healing and dazzle that everyone easily avoids it feels so bad

3 orbs for v1 feels yikes too😭

[tawny hemlock]

I think cyra got nerfed way too hard, she needed some nerf but this is way too much lol

[tawny hemlock]

Yeah I agree, and literally no one used it either

[mint parrot]

Will only play cyra now because of her skins 😔

[little cargo]

Yes

But not ultimate focus (which also has the gold outline)

[tawny hemlock]

Anyone else think inor is a little too insane lol

But then again they make every new character op

Still annoying though

[lost dagger]

Not really. Can kite him similar to yueshan

[kind ginkgo]

Looks pretty ok to me

[supple schooner]

Speaking of which, has anyone found any good combos with him yet?

[kind ginkgo]

A few

But not that many

@little cargo g ?

[supple schooner]

mind sharing a few combos?

[tawny hemlock]

His ability seems really annoying, I can see the potential of it with running away

But his ult idk

[past basalt]

Hey everyone, can you help me find videos/clips (no older than a year, if possible) about Kylin Zhang so I can improve my skills: using the ult... And also, if anyone would be willing to send me their glyph.

[prisma field]

does anyone know why zai's v2 is better than her v1 for solos?

[true marsh]

can someone tell if yueshan's ult has any good quality that surpasses inor's?

both of them are very similar except that inor's ult is much faster and can throw

[little cargo]

No not really

They have the same scaling for hp and armor

Inor is much more faster and can do air movement freely

His plunging attack also stagger for long time tbh

[true marsh]

guess I'll use inor over yueshan now

[little cargo]

If anything, Yueshan only has a combo breaker over Inor

[true marsh]

damn, Inor completely overshadowed Yueshan

[slate sierra]

Is Inor really the same HP as Yue? For some reason he seems squishier but to be fair I haven’t seen Yueshan players in a long time now

[little cargo]

Yeah, I tested him out

Take same damage and scale with HP jades + armor the same as eachother

[slate sierra]

Interesting good to know ty

[supple schooner]

doesn't yueshan's ult deal more upfront damage?

[indigo mulch]

🎉 | Smallfry leveled up!

[little cargo]

Uncertain, but Yueshan's V is easier to avoid (mostly because a lot people is familiar with him, Inor will soon be easy to avoid) compare to Inor

[lost dagger]

You think hp worth taking on inor?

[little cargo]

Well, as much as Yueshan need HP jade

HP provides much more significant effective hp for him

[lost dagger]

[little cargo]

He also animation lock himself during plunge attack that leaves him over 2 seconds of vulnerable

[lost dagger]

I feel he's more like dps and yueshan more of a tank

[olive sun]

he gets 30% dmg reduction during stabbing move next update

[little cargo]

Should be because unless he tags all of the enemy team and happen to slam his vertical/air vertical to all of them at once. He will get dogpile on during that move

[olive sun]

well i know he gonna get buff sooner or later

[little cargo]

ngl, both are cook at soon as people moving mid air

[olive sun]

cuz atm he's indeed underperforming in all modes

[little cargo]

Without V's spear, he cannot hit anything mid air or even ceiling grab

[prisma field]

does the new katana/heng sword congeneric weapon thingy just work the same way as defuse?

[kind ginkgo]

Wym?

[supple schooner]

I mean, it does more damage on paper, no? Of course, you'd have to actually land the attacks.

[prisma field]

Like the attack negation is for like a few seconds right after you switch weapons

[little cargo]

Hard to say, dps on one or multiple enemies, dps of best attack chain over duration or just dps of the most damage chain...

Something like that makes looking for dps on paper seems really meaningless for character like Yueshan and Inor, atleast for me

[hidden marten]

is takeda infinite katana combo possible with this ping?

or what do I need to learn to do so? cus the bot always drop to the ground on the second uppercut no matter how high I juggle him

[kind ginkgo]

Yes, what's your FPS?

Also, if you can, send a clip, I can take a look at it 🤔👍

[hidden marten]

I'm busy rn but will try

[kind ginkgo]

It reflects white attacks in activation (white aura) and parries focus attacks (blue)

[kind ginkgo]

👍👍

No stress, tyt

[hidden marten]

Maybe around 80 ~ 100 I don't notice

Fps even matter?

[kind ginkgo]

For combos for are the important thing

Ms plays a role only when super high cuz it causes weird nap backs,...

But generally low FPS = no combod

75 should be enough for a basic takeda Tod tho

I'm guessing it's a grapple positioning and timing issue

[hidden marten]

I can do grapple combo consistently is what I know

[hidden marten]

@kind ginkgo here it is, idk why it is in mkv file tho

[kind ginkgo]

Bit slow on execution

[hidden marten]

there we go

[kind ginkgo]

Also for some reason your uppercut goes sideways (second one), so it misses the enemy

[hidden marten]

which timing do I need to notice?

like, dodge or slide timing idk

[kind ginkgo]

Here you don't have to run, just dash forward and slide

[kind ginkgo]

The goal is to make everything as quick as possible

Try shortening the delay between your actions as much as possible

[hidden marten]

I just end up doing vertical 1 instead of slide and uppercut

[kind ginkgo]

Gimme a few mins, I'll see if I can manage to clip a similar one for reference 🤔

Most of the dmg on takeda infinite comes from the double uppercut before afaik 🤔

[kind ginkgo]

(This means you didn't give enough time for the slide, in case)

I find that sideways dash is slightly better and quicker personally, but I ain't 100% sure about it

[kind ginkgo]

It's the timing u start the dash at, been testing for a while and that's mostly the issue 🤔👍

[hidden marten]

thx man, I will try, got to juggle the bot past 2 uppercut now

[kind ginkgo]

WP!!

[kind ginkgo]

Id say 3 is prolly the max ATM, on flat terrain btw 👍

[cold flax]

is zai good for duos?

[kind ginkgo]

She's good indeed 👍

[cold flax]

okay thank you

[kind ginkgo]

Np.

[slow hull]

Um double uppercut katana how can i imediately sit after use hook @kind ginkgo

[kind ginkgo]

It's a matter of timing. The challenge is pressing crouch as soon as you bump into the enemy 👍

If, on the other hand, you meant how to stay on the ground after an uppercut by using a grapple; in that case you need to grapple as soon as the uppercut animation starts, you will throw the enemy into the air, but the grapple will overwrite the uppercut keeping you closer to the ground compared to you enemy (and this is what allows to have bumps with a good height 👍)

[slow hull]

thank you i will try this

[strong vault]

I'm new to the game. What do you think about Viper?

[kind ginkgo]

She's really strong, bit on the harder side to start with, due to her f no being a combo breaker

But if you like her then she's good 👍

Everything works in this gamr

[strong vault]

I've got 30 hours of in-game time and I'm playing only her at the moment.
I should probably play all of them to better understand the characters when I fight them.

[strong vault]

Thanks

[kind ginkgo]

[kind ginkgo]

That's definitely a good thing to do indeed 🤔👍

Eventually you can always try them out in practice tool to see how it goes 👍

[strong vault]

Are all melee weapons good? Or are there some that are better?
I think they're all good if you master them.

[cold hemlock]

got the 200 tokens, which character should I get, new to game and played for 3 hours

[kind ginkgo]

So, all weapons are good and are worth learning

There are some that perform slightly better than others due to specific gimmicks (like fistblades dash charge or staff precise release and range)

But overall you will notice that some weapons click better with you than others.

((greatsword is the worst weapon in the game, in case 🤔😂🤷🏻‍♂️))

[kind ginkgo]

This is a hard question to answer I would say. It depends mostly on you 🤔

[slow hull]

i think transform hero is good to survive

[kind ginkgo]

All heroes are viable, some are here aswell a bit stronger than others, but considering the speed at which the game gets updated, it does not really matter. Some characters fit some playstyles better overall, so it depends on what you are looking

[kind ginkgo]

Quite the opposite actually 🤔. They tend to lose a lot of mobility, becoming a giant target for ranged attacks , especially in a solos scenario 🤔👍

On the other hand, they are good to deal damage in trios , if supported correctly

[slow hull]

yup

the special is they have yellow hit and decrease dame from support talents

Justina Gu and Shayol Wei are best choice too to survive

[cold hemlock]

if u were to start a new account what would u choose?

[kind ginkgo]

Personally? Lyam liu 🤔

But I am also super biased, he's my favourite character

Best thing would be to go and try them out to see who you like best (practice tool, press h and select the hero you want)

[tropic shoal]

is cyra just not worth playing now?? her ultimate was so nerfed, she can basically no longer heal since it's only 3 orbs and her laser can be parried now???

i really enjoyed playing her now she's jus nerfed down to the grave

[kind ginkgo]

She is still pretty strong imo 🤔

[low bear]

Hey guys, can someone suggest a Glyph page for Zai, Im using F2/V2 for duos/trios?

[tropic shoal]

is she? i feel like she lacks healing now?

[lost dagger]

She's still meta for solos

The healing was never a focus of her kit just an added bonus

And did the healing even get nerfed?

[tropic shoal]

and duos/trios?

[lost dagger]

I thought her self healing got buffed

And her team healing is the same

[tropic shoal]

her ult allows her to throw max 3 orbs now, healing was buffed a bit but she doesn’t have infinite orbs anymore

[lost dagger]

She's still very strong. 2nd health bar, consistent damage + cc

[tropic shoal]

mm.. okay thank you

[sudden bloom]

anyone know what skills i take for iron wan trio ranked ??

[kind ginkgo]

Id recommend V2 f2

F1 also good , depends on what you like and the situation u find yourself in

[steady magnet]

what glyphs would you recommend for Inor?

Like Zai and Yue Shan?

[kind ginkgo]

Consider inor sake as a yueshan, yeah

[steady magnet]

Oops wrong

Which one of these two is for Duos/Trios. Thanks for the help btw @kind ginkgo

[kind ginkgo]

They are a bit outdated

[steady magnet]

Oh...

I just got back from this game. A newbie.

So i am researching

[kind ginkgo]

Id go half red (rage per dmg dealt) and half green

Grapple distance side

That should be the standard one

[steady magnet]

I see. The auto allocate one.

So no Blunt?

🙏

Tyyy

[kind ginkgo]

Blunt?

[steady magnet]

The purple that reduces dmg when charging

[kind ginkgo]

Not worth most of the times

It only counts for the first hit you take

And the moments where you get hit while charging focus are somewhat rare

(then again, if you see pro players they use other builds also centered around parrying, but it's another world there)

[frigid hare]

can u help me inor wan glyphs?

[steady magnet]

You can just check our conversation above.

[prisma field]

can you no longer interact with tessa's orb while in zai's f?

I remember I used to be able to but in a recent match it would make me exit flame ward whenever I tried

[true marsh]

how do people do quick jumps?

[slate sierra]

Do you mean smaller/shorter hops?

It’s a similar concept to the difference of a tap dodge vs a hold dodge. If you just lightly tap your jump key your character will do a shorter jump, whereas holding the jump key will trigger a higher jump that takes more time to execute

[true marsh]

oh

I see

thank you

[toxic surge]

What gylphs should i put in on Inor Wan?

[kind ginkgo]

Green and red standard should be fine

[long urchin]

I've only been playing for 2-3 days and I got exactly 1 shot from full HP and armor at the very end yesterday. Using Inor Wan. How should I really build him ?
The hit was from a longsword.

[little cargo]

In this game, the condition to get complete one shot is extremely rough, and you cannot do it with LS unless you mean by a combo

[long urchin]

Maybe it was a full combo and it didn't register on my end ? It was one game last night.
That being said, I was in blue armor.
With a mix of defence and attack jades. I flew forward after the attack.

[little cargo]

By what you said, it cannot be a full combo. But for blue armor then yeah you can get blast like to 70% under right condition but oneshot is still far from possible

[prisma field]

I've been trying out justina and i always seem to go way past the enemy when using her v1's skill and then by the time i get back the enemy is unfrozen already. Is there a way to stop in the middle of the dash?

[long urchin]

I see. I must've missed something in the heat of the battle.
Maybe I was hit and didn't notice then. Regardless, it was a VERY short few seconds fight.

[kind ginkgo]

Golden GS with the jade (I knw they talking about LS DW)

[little cargo]

Piercing shot + slowshot + headshot will do

[little cargo]

Also help the guy above a bit, imma go to sleep

[kind ginkgo]

Which one?

(gn!)

[little cargo]

The guy who got oneshotted

[kind ginkgo]

I'll read the whole convo after I take a quick shower 🤔👍👍

[earnest star]

Jump or press Shift

[kind ginkgo]

Jump, crouch, attack

[earnest star]

It works with attack too?!

[kind ginkgo]

Why shouldn't it? 🤔 It's the easiest one to do

[earnest star]

I’ve never tried that actually, even tho I have like 4400 points on her

[kind ginkgo]

How did you discover crouch and jump before pressing left click 🤔

😂😂😂😂

Now that's funny😂😂😂😂

[earnest star]

Good question

[kind ginkgo]

In case you could technically also grapple if you are fast enough

[earnest star]

Guess I need to try that out later

[kind ginkgo]

(Useless info )

😂

[earnest star]

🤏

[kind ginkgo]

If u want another useless one, u can cancel Kylin f2 choke by dashing, and you can cast the kick at another moment

You can chain it into a combo aswell, but it's in no way true, since for some reason as soon as you cancel the choke, the stagger disappears

https://youtu.be/vbKltllE848?feature=shared

Here an example

[earnest star]

Useless, but looks cool

I’ve saw someone here, that you can cancel Akos V2 at the right timing. Looked so weird haha

Akos dashed like 10 meters with no animation

[prisma field]

Oh acrually you mightve been hit by a ballista at the same time if u flew really far

[kind ginkgo]

fun fact, i hit it quite a few times on people 😆

they dont usually knw it or dont react

[kind ginkgo]

yep

[undone cave]

guys anyone knows how to play against inor wan ult??

[quasi saddle]

Hey, lads! how is the current state/view on akos and takeda? I want to learn one of them (but cannot decide), since id like to have one of those 'brawlers' in my pool.
I mainly play Trios. What is their prefered comp to play with?

[nocturne cliff]

Do we have a list of what heroes go in which role? Specifically I’m looking for ones that play well in the 1/Entry role for trios.

I know we have the one video that has a few comps but wasn’t sure if any of the newer champions fall into the role.

[slate sierra]

Akos isn’t really played in trios, but that doesn’t mean you can’t make it work. Takeda is commonly played in a team comp called Sand Siphon, alongside Temulch & Cyra. Before cyras release a standard healer was played in her place (zip or Kurumi)

Takeda is very strong but requires good team coordination to capitalize on his shoves + without a combo breaker he is vulnerable so needs his team to peel for him at times

Akos in trios probably runs V1 (the one with 3 back to back tiger leaps)
Whereas V2 is seen in duos/solos & only gived 2 tiger leaps but you don’t have to chain them back to back the way V1 forces you to. So you can play more mind games with them and be less predictable.

at the higher levels Takeda is probably better than Akos (for trios specifically) but Akos is definitely a bit of a noob stomp character. He is very hard to deal with for new players + lower skilled players.

[quasi saddle]

Ty alot for your efforts!! This been a really good insight! I practice takeda then. I just need a feeling on wich abilities to use and learn how to combo each weapon after he throws ppl to the ground i guess

[slate sierra]

Honestly Takeda shoves in trios are mainly just used for a free blue, since you don’t typically get a combo off before one of their teammates griefs you out of it

Or they’re used to peel yourself/your team after a parry or during a CC like Tessa charm etc

Polesword Takeda is common/popular since you can guarantee a polesword blue which hits extremely hard

[little cargo]

that some reason is because the stagger only exist while you are in contact with your opponent using F2

Similar to other grabbing jades

[kind ginkgo]

🤔👍

[worn mesa]

Does Inor Wan have any weaknesses?

[little cargo]

Quite a few actually

First of all, no combo breaker, if he got jumped and stagger, he is dead. Second, as much as his V seems unstoppable, he can be dogpiled on by people if he plunge attack someone. Third, as much he seems super agile in V, if he used his F, he cannot attack someone who is high in the air, he can't even attack people who is hanging to the ceiling

[worn mesa]

Ah

So we got to jump him and be higher then him

[true marsh]

does inor's ultimate have any good way to catch people running (excluding F)?

[worn mesa]

He catches me all the time when I’m running

So uh yeah I think so

Idk for sure tho cuz I don’t play him

At least for the moment

[slate sierra]

His only gap close is the spear really, if the spear lands on you he’s gonna be right on your head

While in ult^

[true marsh]

After I use F, they always seem to grapple away

or they dodge

[worn mesa]

Idk what’s up with it. Haha

[worn mesa]

I very rarely get away from him. This is probably what happened to me

[little cargo]

Jump attack

[kind ginkgo]

Scale rush, grapples, climbing up buildings are all good options to get away

[little cargo]

His jump vertical is really good at catching running people

But if you are out of F, they hanging from the ceiling, might as well turn off your V right then and there

[true marsh]

isn't jump vertical the plunge attack?

the range is pretty small

[lost dagger]

jump vertical will hit them off cielings tho

[kind ginkgo]

It has a super nice tracking on it

It gap closes somewhat well

[true marsh]

ah ok

[little cargo]

when I tested it didn't seem to connect

[coral token]

Hi guys, i am trying to learn valda as a Solar 5 player. Could you give me some tips pls?

[long urchin]

Oh....

Rip

[long urchin]

I literally installed and got Inor Wan 4 days ago and been using him ever since. Tho, I have few more heroes, I love his ult. As for catching people in air, the only air fighting he can do is when you send someone flying off a cliff and can quickly dash to get to them. That's about it. That said, good players just jump away and climb until it's ult duration is over.

But then, I'm EXTREMELY Noob

[kind ginkgo]

his ult lacks ways to catch people up in the air yeah

there is a way, but it's pretty limited

[prisma field]

Anyone know how to dodge shayol’s flash behind you ult?

Pretty sure its v2

[olive sun]

it's reactable
pay attention to her animation and the sound

[worn mesa]

Hahaha I feel you. I also started playing like a week ago

[compact ledge]

[nocturne cliff]

How am I supposed to be dealing with Kylin ult, it feels like it last so long and it's difficult to hit him

[slate sierra]

Dodge, use your ult to match maybe depending on who you’re playing

If you’re playing something like feria she can just tank him w mech and cannon shoot him for stagger even when he’s ulting

Valda spears can also CC him + give you extra HP to survive

But if you’re something like v2 viper where ulting after him does nothing you kinda just try to kite and survive as best you can

[low bear]

Hey guys I've been mainly playing Zai only with my friend playing mainly Kurumi, but I've been having more and more trouble staying alive in Trios, constantly piled on and almost instantly bursted (playing F2/V2) they are not going for the healer even and I try to play on the edge where I can dish as much DMG as possible but still not give them opportunity to jump on me, but obviously players started getting seriously good (Astral 3) and It's been more annoying because I can't increase my skill level that fast to compensate for the lack of escapes/survivability, do you have any tips on that situation? Another question I would like to ask is I've been thinking about trying Valda/Viper/Inor Wan are they good with Kurumi, my thought process is someone that can survive a bit longer to help the healer if she is focused and also use their kit to setup the team for combo/play?

[slate sierra]

Zai’s best mode is trios but the reality is she’s very hard to play effectively since almost every ult/ability can take Zai out of her gold charge (Matari F, Kylin Ult, any transformer, Cyra dazzle or beam, the list goes on) so you have to have really good positioning and sometimes you really need to try and force out enemy ults first. For example if you ult right away on Zai, but the enemy team answers with something like a Kylin ult, you’ll get next to no value from your ult as Kylin will stagger you constantly out of charges & iirc his ult lasts just as long as Zais so there’s no wiggle room to work with

If you’re looking for survivability I’d stay away from Viper, she is very very vulnerable. One step out of line & she gets absolutely blown up since she has no combo breaker unless you’re running V1, but V1 viper requires a lot of team coordination to lock people down with.

That’s why she was commonly played with V1 Wuchen, who could teleport her or her body out of trouble when/if things went wrong

Valda would probably be the best out of the characters you listed for having survivability + synergy with Kurumi. Valda’s water abilities turn Kurumis circle into a water circle, which also heals HP instead of just healing armor.

[low bear]

TL:DR "get good" ;-;

😄 I really appreciate the answer @slate sierra

[slate sierra]

You might consider feria for survivability if transformers are on your mind

Feria can also peel really hard for her teammates

[low bear]

Not really, I just get days when I get demolished and it's hard

https://tenor.com/view/this-is-fine-gif-24177057

@slate sierra May I ask what is your opinion on Shayol in Trios?

[kind ginkgo]

Not the best, but decently strong 🤔👍

She can definitely create some chaos with her v1 and survive in a fight. The second the enemy starts kiting it gets a bit hard, but if they hit you it's good

[slate sierra]

She can work in ranked like Eldran said but she also gets screwed by the transformers in trios + there’s a lot of cannon fire in trios sometimes. You can definitely try her out and just see how it goes

Valda probably has more play making potential with her ult just because it isn’t reliant on the enemy proccing your shields

But imo Shayol shield is harder to dodge than valda spears

[kind ginkgo]

Yep, it's faster