🙎┃character-guides

[magic hinge]

But changing direction leaves you super vulnerable, because it has lingering frames or something

You can’t parry or atack immediately after changing direction I’m pretty sure

Especially parry, prob why they added back parry

[karmic wolf]

I see, so no bueno

Thanks

so it just better to just back parry if I wanna parry

noted

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-patrick-star-noted-notes-gif-26231953

[magic hinge]

Yea if you are running or just moving and see a blue

Just jump parry or just press parry

The game will register them

[karmic wolf]

I was thinking more on me poking situation

charge blue dash back then quick turn front

but if turning front is canceling my iframes I guess Ill just back parry if I wanna parry

while dashing away

[magic hinge]

you can immediatelz parry after turning 180 degrees?

imma hop on and check later, not at pc right now

if you could, would you record a vidd pls

but scissor parry is the same as normal speed

like after some update, it stopped being quicker than normal quick parry

so same speed

[kind ginkgo]

There are still some minor differences, mainly in the dash parry

Scissor is still slightly faster

Or at least it should be

[magic hinge]

yeah but when you turn 180

it has like a turning frame

you parry later than if you just run and jump parry

[kind ginkgo]

Should have, yeah, but I'm pretty sure it does not matter ATM 🤔

Cuz of back parry

[magic hinge]

no IF you turn to them

[kind ginkgo]

Jump parry is considered to be the slowest parry if I recall correctly tho 🤔

[magic hinge]

if you keep running, you can still back parry

[kind ginkgo]

You should, yeah

But in any moment

Parry simply covers in front and behind now

I reckon the sides are sometimes weird

[magic hinge]

but the thing is the frame when you turn there is a delay

the turning frame

so the parry comes out slower than if you just back parry without turning

[kind ginkgo]

On paper yeah 🤔

But parry should be able to overwrite that turning animation and put you instantly in the direction of the parry

Not fully shure, but it should work that way

[magic hinge]

not sure what happens on 0 ping

but in game this frame is gonna be a thing def

[olive sun]

i don't get it

what turning frame you're talking about?

[magic hinge]

when i run in 1 direction

turn 180

and parry

not the camera turn

[olive sun]

so hold dodge into directional key movement into parry?

yea that definitely leave you vunerable

but why would you do that tho?

[magic hinge]

this

idk he wanted to change direction or smth

so i said you should just parry or jump parry

[magic hinge]

a bit of confusion, but we okay

[olive sun]

the moment ur character move after a dodge you're already out of dodge iframes and definitely will get hit for sure

[magic hinge]

mhm

[rocky briar]

which zai ult should i use for solo matches

[karmic wolf]

So I see a lot of deleted messages regarding the subject, so I am gonna assume he realized he was wrong and was ashamed of its claims

[kind ginkgo]

where?

[karmic wolf]

How can I point em if they are deleted, but scroll up and youll see

[kind ginkgo]

i now see

[karmic wolf]

[rocky briar]

[muted fulcrum]

Hello I main Kurumi, but for duo ranked, which characters make a good team with kurumi ?

[magic hinge]

Zai

(Do not let people see me recommending Zai kurumi meta)

[muted fulcrum]

XD ok zai ty for answer

there is a special way for play with zay ?

zai*

should i know with kurumi

[magic hinge]

You can also run Akos, but I feel like Zai and kurumi is alr a standard in duo

[kind ginkgo]

Not really

[muted fulcrum]

okok

thanks !

[kind ginkgo]

Just try and protect Ur teammate as always and it should be fine

[slate sierra]

Kurumi pairs well with everyone tbh.. character is insanely strong. However playing her with a hyper carry is more meta (commonly Akos, Zai). Kylin does better with a Ziping.

Shayol Kurumi has also popped up recently after Shay buffs

Kurumi also has circle interactions with Valda (water circle) or Justina (Ice circle) so you could play around with that if you wanted

[kind ginkgo]

And let's not forget the fire circle with tarka 🤔👍👍

[magic hinge]

Might as well add temulch then

[kind ginkgo]

?

He does interact with kurumi ult?

[slate sierra]

Yes he does, sand circle

It reduces enemy stamina slightly

[magic hinge]

Can you still add effects of nearby objects?

Like if you fire a ballista or into mushrooms

And kurumi circle takes these affects

[olive sun]

still does i think

it doesn't get mentioned in any patchnotes so it should still works

[slate sierra]

Yeah I haven’t shroomed a circle recently but I assume it’s still there

[kind ginkgo]

[muted fulcrum]

Ok I see, yes i love play kurumi, i'm silver 5 and I make 15/20k heal easely

its strong

I win often but I play with random player ;c

[lost dagger]

I feel like they removed that but i could be remembering wrong

[magic hinge]

kurumi mains in chat pls

aka Penemue probably

[muted fulcrum]

And what is better with Kurumi, it is good to leave rage rune for gain supp rune (like +luck and -% in store) ?
Wich spell is better ? The first or the second ? I play always with the firt for better heal restoration, but I see many times kurumi player play with the second for armor and it seem very powerfull

[kind ginkgo]

I would say that luck is pretty much never a solid choice, aside some special cases 🤔

Discounts u usually want for trios, but in duos they are a minor part

As for the skills, you can check the pinned comments, there is a list of the most used ones for each hero 👍👍

[muted fulcrum]

Again thanks for ur answer ;3

What is "Playing with double transformer" ? Sry im not english and i dont understand that

[kind ginkgo]

Transformer heroes are mainly yueshan and tianhai, we use the term to refer to heroes that transform into smth else when using their ultimate

The comp the comment was addressing is: kurumi, yueshan, tianhai

[muted fulcrum]

Oh thanks u again !

[kind ginkgo]

No problem

Happy to be of help

[magic hinge]

Who plays that

Is this some bullying comp

[muted fulcrum]

In duo there is some valda cui/ viper ning

;x so annoy

[kind ginkgo]

It's a pretty common trios comp, especially in CN server

[modern kayak]

Hey all, any tips on learning / playing yoto? which skills and ultimate selection is better for her?

only have yoto and cyra so far ^^

[muted fulcrum]

F2V3 or F3V3

pinned message

for skills and ultimate

[modern kayak]

Ah, thank you!

[muted fulcrum]

for gameplay i dont know, i only play support/heal

[kind ginkgo]

as dies irae said, those are the skills we recommend 👍

as for playstyle, consider that the second part of the f2 is a combo break and also a combo start, so just try to keep that in mind and it's going to pay off a lot 👍

u basically need to learn to play around it

as for the ult, try to not spam, enemies will try to dodge, and it's relatively easy to do

so this is going to be the hardest challenge on yoto

[muted fulcrum]

maybe in duo with a viper ning or valda cui, can be strong

?

[kind ginkgo]

i am of the opinion that for duos pretty much anything can work

since it's solos with more leniency basically 👍

viper i'd say yoto wont capitalize much around; valda could work i guess

[muted fulcrum]

Personnally with my kurumi I have play with a Kylin Zhang, it was strong in ranked

Now I use my F2 Lclick for combo break ennemy or push them on a wall for block them 😮 its strong

[kind ginkgo]

kylin works well with her, but has a better synergy with ziping overall 👍

cuz hes super mobile

[muted fulcrum]

Ok good ty !

I play ziping too

[modern kayak]

ok i've been having fun with cyra tbh

any other chars y'all recommend that's similar to her?

the CC daze is quite nice

[kind ginkgo]

she's pretty unique tbf

[rocky dove]

If I’d say similar play style/ CC capabilities try out Tessa

[willow urchin]

viper ult could always pierce temmy sandstorm ?

[kind ginkgo]

yep

its not a projective

projectile*

[willow urchin]

I thought it wasn't possible. ty

[kind ginkgo]

np

[modern kayak]

Ty for the suggestion! Found her quite fun and fitting.

Back and forth on the two ultimate choices for Tessa so far but still good

[rocky dove]

Ones for group fight oriented the other for more selective targeting

[kind ginkgo]

V1 always better; cc reigns supreme

[modern kayak]

Yeah, so far seems like characters with CC are highly picked

[rocky dove]

Now if you wanna try a different style, offensive CC try Lyam

[kind ginkgo]

Solos meta is mobility mostly, cc is second 🤔

Or so it was last nbpl

Trios cc always was king, same for duos

[modern kayak]

Might try, sadly I’m a sucker for playing good looking women at the moment 😂

[kind ginkgo]

Totally valid 🤔👍

Valda might be a possible choice then

[chrome cliff]

that's a very misleading way to look at it imo

matari f1 v1 has great mobility, but nobody plays it

if you want to understand why a character is meta, you have to look at the whole kit and match it with a strategy

for example, in the 2023 jcup, Mike played max rage tessa

if you look at it in isolation, picking rage over energy in Solos is a bad choice

and tessa never had good mobility

but it makes sense if you combine it, an initial rage third-partying monster that keeps refinancing her low-cost ults by taking flowers, with a matching set of glyphs to get optimal value

[kind ginkgo]

Not my words, literally those of nbpl 🤔🤷🏻‍♂️🤷🏻‍♂️

But then again, u got a better grasp of all

[granite epoch]

What are best starters for new people? Or at least some not that difficult to play with on the start

[rocky dove]

Zai viper Tessa is who I started out with

[granite epoch]

Zai! Perfect I stared with her also

So I'm on good way

[slate sierra]

Zai is a noob stomper, the character is hella strong. But honestly I find that new players who spend a lot of time on her struggle a lot in neutral since Zai can just hold gold focus and tank blues during her ult

[rocky dove]

Facts

[slate sierra]

yea i wouldnt reccomend her to new players actually

builds a lot of bad habits

[rocky dove]

Zips always a good choice though atleast starting out

[karmic wolf]

Zai is a scrub buildder

[chrome cliff]

it's the statement that's potentially misleading, not the sender of the message 😉

if you're quoting an official nbpl caster, it would be good to know if there was a certain context that prompted this

and sometimes casters are just waffling to create an entertaining atmosphere or make the game look deep

they need to improvise almost everything they are saying and they are generally not too worried that they'll get quoted by coaches later, so always take things casters say with a grain of salt

if you ask a creator to be a caster or a coach or an explainer video producer, you'll get 3 different quality levels (unless they are doing something fundamentally wrong)

[karmic wolf]

what is wrong with this attack rotation thing? don't they understand that the game is already a mess with massive FPS drop to just decide and add more bloat? haha

Im hoping that if I have it turn it off then I do not see anyones else doing that crap

Im really trying to keep going but these kind of thing just deprive me of hope of ever having a decent product here

I think I am ranting in the wrong channel

combo combo V1 V2 yadayada

WALLACE!

https://tenor.com/view/cat-stare-gif-22341545

[wraith frigate]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1266625076250415216/1349180564745359513/image0.gif

[karmic wolf]

https://tenor.com/view/manul-pallas-cat-grusha-stare-angry-gif-13274783065358599182

[lost dagger]

you only ever see your own

and I've been playing with it on, my performance hasn't been affected as much as I expected

[muted fulcrum]

Justina Gu is so hard to play, someone get some advices on her ?

[olive sun]

justina v2 is easy, v1 need practice

v1 gameplay rely on hitting the dash and stop the dash at the right moment then attack input to win neutral

even if it fails to freeze the target it still caused a stagger, enough for you to land a light attack

that's pretty much it, everything else is on her abilities description

[muted fulcrum]

ok thanks to u

there is someting to know for stop the dash at the right moment ?

or its just practice ?

mb in animation or somewhat ?

[olive sun]

just practice

try to stop it right at the moment it hits the target

[kind ginkgo]

as soon as you press a mouse button, crouch or jump you cancel the animation instantly

as tabbie said, practice is the key here

[muted fulcrum]

ok ty

[magic hinge]

untrue combo from grapple lmb

into 2 lmb on DH

peak

Uphill btw

[modern kayak]

why is V1 Ziping better than V2 for trios etc?

[kind ginkgo]

Long stun

U can easily kill people with that kne

And it's also easy to setup in trios

Relatively

[rocky dove]

… on zip?

[modern kayak]

erm, who are you talking about

[kind ginkgo]

Viper

Her ult stuns

[rocky dove]

He asked about zip

[kind ginkgo]

Fml I misread 😂😂😂😂😂🤦🏼‍♂️

[rocky dove]

[kind ginkgo]

Sry, just woke up

V1 gives quicker healing

[modern kayak]

LMAO

[kind ginkgo]

The enhanced healing is pretty valuable

[rocky dove]

V1 better tracking to now no?

[kind ginkgo]

True, V2 can give a mortal defiance effect, but v1 heals more and keeps the team alive

[modern kayak]

does the full rage auto proc on fatal strike or do i need to pop it before im at fatal hp?

[kind ginkgo]

Better to have everyone alive longer than just have a small Res when they die

[modern kayak]

ahh i see

[kind ginkgo]

Auto proc is only at full rage, when u use it before full u won't have the auto res

[rocky dove]

Wait nvm I forgot buttons for a sec mb don’t mind me I’m sleep deprived

[kind ginkgo]

😂😂😂

[rocky dove]

[modern kayak]

ahh so save it if im about to be one shot by an ambush or something, but if in a teamfight etc, just pop it to enable everybody to survive longer and win the fight

[kind ginkgo]

Consider it like this: if above 50% hp, just ult, nothing can oneshot you in the game pretty much

If under 50% when you can use ult, keep it for the auto proc

[modern kayak]

ahh ok, tyty for the advice!

[kind ginkgo]

Np

[chrome cliff]

v2 barely heals, your teammates get the proc but they immediately die afterwards unless you f them, especially against burn effects like zai, hadi v2, rupture gale orb, stuff that's common in trios

ziping with v1 is a kylin slave

i press it before my pepega kylin does his blood magic and starts killing himself

you can also use v1 zip with matari v1 in zai comp to scale her lifedrain

but in general, kurumi is the better support

due to hero score, there is a limit how many times you can play kurumi, so they made a comp where ziping is paired with kylin to at least be usable

[magic hinge]

Penemue and the Kylin hate

[indigo mulch]

🎉 | Aero leveled up!

[magic hinge]

and now the cyra spam takes kurumis place

[chrome cliff]

doubt teams will entirely skip kurumi, if you don't play her with zai, you'd put her with kylin

kurumi with kylin plays f1

but pretty sure kurumi f1 is still better than ziping

ziping would be entirely skippable if it wasn't for kylin or comps where she is combined with matari to scale matari's lifedrain

[void flower]

which justina gu ult is better?

[rocky dove]

It really is preference if solo V1 duos or trios v1/v2 depending on how you play her

[void flower]

okay

also how do u do a c.V, G, c.V?

i am confused on how to get the second c.V out, it just does a normal V for me

[rocky dove]

That’s a question for @kind ginkgo he’d explain it better

[void flower]

@kind ginkgo help

[little cargo]

You mean uppercut -> grapple -> uppercut again right?

[void flower]

yeah

i saw that ur supposed to click crouch as you grapple bump them but i couldn’t get it to work

normal vertical slash always just comes out

[little cargo]

Could you provide a clip, it is better if you can include input

[void flower]

i’m not on rn

but is that correct that you just click crouch when u bump them

crouching in the game is the hardest thing for me so far, it feels finicky idk how to explain it

[little cargo]

Well, from educated guess, I think the problem is your input has some problems, either your crouch input didn't go through or go through too late, causing vertical input goes first and overwrite it

[void flower]

i mean i’m pressing vertical after the crouch

[little cargo]

Yep, but in case of low fps, you might face with input sometimes got eaten by the game for no reason

[void flower]

like once i hit the ground

i’m at 350 fps

probably more in training

[little cargo]

Well, then that can't be the case of input being eaten

[void flower]

yeah idk

it’s like the crouch isn’t working

[little cargo]

Well, then keep us update on your progress once you return to try it.

[kind ginkgo]

Just woke up, sry it took that long 🤔😂😂. There are 2 main reasons usually that are giving you problems for the second uppercut: first and foremost, grapple position, you really need to end up as close as possible to the enemy while also keeping the bump as high as possible. If you try to aim a bit further than usual it should work. Secondly, timing; doing an uppercut after a bump requires you to be insanely precise with inputs, since you need to start crouching the instant you bump the enemy. A hint for this, might be to hold the crouch button all the way after the bump, until you see the uppercut work.

Third reason is frames, but for that we'd really need a clip to check effectively what the problem you are having is 🤔🤔

[void flower]

okay thanks a lot

i’ll try to get a clip tomorrow after work

[kind ginkgo]

👍👍

Tyt

[umbral monolith]

so how does one actually fight akos in solos? seems like a stupidly overkitted character

access to 2 combobreakers, one of which gives unreal damage reduction, can be swapped to a combo starter with good range and stupidly huge hitbox

insane mobility on ult with hyperarmor, neutral autowin capability, another combostarter with hp recovery

cant fight it, cant run away

[scarlet dew]

he has just 1, his ult activation

his tigers in V2 u can dodge on reaction

if u have ur own ult u use this to fight him, if u dont u kinda dont have much choice

u need to run asap

sadly u cant really win neutral against him unless he makes mistake

so eventually u run out of stamina and he will combo u and u die

he is unpunishable after missed slash

unless he misses and then does light attack, but thats entirely his mistake

[umbral monolith]

oh yeah my bad, for some reason thought the dmg reduction slam is also a breaker

doesnt he still have access to grapples during ult?

[scarlet dew]

ye

[umbral monolith]

yeah i mean its still insane

you just end up helpless as soon as akos pops up cause of all the hyperarmors and mobility he has

[chrome cliff]

clash with single charge claw attacks, dodge double and triple charge claw attacks, dodge eat attacks

or kite and shoot

you only get hit if you're out of stamina

then you lose by design unless you have an F or V to trade with his stagger

but you should have that unless you lost neutral at the start

a lot of characters work this way, their kit is only problematic if you lost neutral at the start and we're forced to F and V early (in solos)

don't apply this logic to trios though, trios is completely different

[tender wedge]

should i be using tessa v1 or v2 in solos

[rocky dove]

V1

[static lagoon]

can i get some tips on tarka ji, i want to play him because he looks cool but honestly playing against other characters i just get clapped. im guessing its because i dont know match ups but it just feels like hes out classed by other characters, so if i can get some tips on match up that would be amazing 🙏

[rocky dove]

Tbh he is kinda out classed by most

[olive sun]

he's getting reworked soon

for current tarka gameplay pretty sure you can just do an youtube search

[static lagoon]

i see, yeah ive seen a few videos but still struggling tbh. i might just wait for the rework to pick him up again sadly

[surreal hound]

any yueshan tips

[magic hinge]

Learn to use the running charged attack

And you will be set

[surreal hound]

you mean in v?

[kind ginkgo]

Yep👍

[surreal hound]

anyone got a updated tier list

and like content creators who still play to learn from

[mild granite]

anyone have a vid to a lannie guide

that they think is good

[kind ginkgo]

there isnt really one; best would be to simply check what players played in NBPL recently

as for the content creators, i definitely recommend MasterDeemo, DunkingDonuts (especially for tarka here)

a few others are also pretty good at explaining

[magic hinge]

This character does not need a guide really

You learn the infinity on v2 and that’s it

There’s prob some movement tech to make here a better disengage

But you prob don’t need it rn

I think LongNotes has a combo video on her, check him out

[mild granite]

yeah i prob should've been more specific

i was looking for like combo stuff cuz idk how tf to do it at all

so ty ty

[magic hinge]

zay also has one for many weapons

my hatred for the infinities will not stop me from helping people get better

[fluid jay]

any yoto main can tell me how to hit the slide uppercut?

[kind ginkgo]

Enemy bounces badly from Ur f; need to change angle or /and timing

[exotic marsh]

Uh is there any guides on how to effectively use zai’s ultimate

[kind ginkgo]

Hold focus, release in their face 🤔👍

Pretty straightforward ult

Light attacks are to catch enemies

[exotic marsh]

bots don’t seem to care for how easy the ult is

Makes me look like a noob hitting air

[lost dagger]

Overhold then release during their dodge and you will catch them everytime. Just don't override your melee aim assist and it won't miss.

You can also do a combo with her light attacks, light into uppercut, land, 2 lights, crouch light. I think that's it you can practice in free training

[exotic marsh]

Thank you so much for actually valuable input

[surreal hound]

recommended characters to learn

[indigo mulch]

🎉 | KlainGrayheart leveled up!

[kind ginkgo]

Anyone that you think looks cool 🤔👍

(you can try characters to see if you like them, just press "h" while in practice tool and select the one you want)

[magic hinge]

Take hadi

:))))

[tawny hemlock]

I just started playing again, it's been maybe almost 2 months at this point, but did tessa get buffed? She feels a lot better

[magic hinge]

I don’t think so

Maybe you just got better

[kind ginkgo]

She got nerfed quite a bit over the last year actually 🤔👍

[olive sun]

they buffed her Vs recently

[kind ginkgo]

I reckon they reverted her rage regen NERF right?

[olive sun]

uh no

health gain when hitting v

[dreamy hazel]

Hi, what glyph for Yueshan ?

[kind ginkgo]

Check pinned comments, there is a penemue video that can help you out 👍👍

[little cargo]

I would recommend trying them all out. Only character I recommend to avoid trying if you just started is Tarka

[wanton compass]

Which character can 1vs3 without needing a team?

[kind ginkgo]

None and every single one of them

If you are playing trios, it is required for you to play with your team

Either the enemy is insanely weak, or in no case you will be able to win a 1v3

For solo gameplay there is solos 🤔👍👍

[magic hinge]

Skill difference is the answer

If you play absolutely newbies

You can 1v3 with monk even

In no world of equal skill is a 1v3 possible

[mild swift]

Super new but can't find anything from googling - Not sure if this is a weapon or character thing but does anyone know what the 4 diamonds beneath the reticle are for?

( Playing yoto hime in showdown)

[magic hinge]

I think it’s lotus charge, check your jades

But just to be sure

Go to #👾┃showdown

[mild swift]

Ok thanks! Didn't consider it was from jades

[kind ginkgo]

Yep, it's the lotus jades

[sleek kettle]

why always a Zai shows when im low HP :))

[rocky dove]

They smell weakness

[sleek kettle]

they smell blood :)) or they hear my heart-rate going wakkabuuum

[lost dagger]

You are manifesting zai with your fear

[rocky dove]

Could I do that but with a rumi instead

[lost dagger]

Sure

Wait

I miscclicked an auto reply on my phone

No you can't

[rocky dove]

To late auto reply gods have spoken

[surreal hound]

is there an update for the glyphs now guys

[rocky dove]

Rage and stam or rage and grapple

[little cargo]

None is the better answer. And against similar skill players, 1v3 is relied on mostly luck and "teamwork" from your enemies.

Which means best option for 1v3 is

[kind ginkgo]

Running and praying

[little cargo]

https://tenor.com/view/forrest-gump-running-gif-5218444295714452030

[magic hinge]

And if you’re in Yang : survive for as long as possible

Try to get them to lose on time

[little cargo]

If I cannot win, they can't too

[magic hinge]

Make them feel as miserable as possible:)))

[pale pollen]

.

[magic hinge]

Question to trios Enthusiasts

What comps outside of the meta ones in NBPL do you know?

Takeda, Temulch and Cyra seems like a good comp

But strangely I saw even very good players losing randomly to something like a Viper Shayol Yueshan or like Viper Shayol Cyra

I wanna play more Takeda, but outside of the syphon comp, anything else?

[magic hinge]

(Doesn’t need to be meta, just fun picks)

[rocky dove]

Tanhai valda rumi

[magic hinge]

Tianhai is hard as a non Tianhai player ngl

I’ll see what I can do with it

[vast star]

Hello i just start the game and i want to learn how to play akos hu someone can help me and tell me if it's a good character ?

[magic hinge]

as a former akos main

he is a good character, but not ideal to learn neutral

[vast star]

oh i'll see

[magic hinge]

he has no combo break, but his ult can be used under attack

[vast star]

but i really like his gameplay

[magic hinge]

he is fun yeah

not discouraging to use him

[vast star]

okay and you got like some combo

and what skills should i use ?

[magic hinge]

do you know basic grapple?

[vast star]

nah

[magic hinge]

then you should prob start with that

[vast star]

okay i'll go train in practice

[magic hinge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDS8LU2d7lw&t=153s

after that you can try this

but some aren't possible anymore on the current patch

[vast star]

okay i'll see

so first i learn basic grapple and after this vid

tysm

[magic hinge]

np

after akos you should try out other character with no neutral skip and learn them too

because akos ult is essentially a combo starter pack

you easily skip neutral learning and depend a bit too much on it

[vast star]

okay tysm

[compact ledge]

Was monk or valda changed recently? I swear I've been able to water spear a ulting monk to momentarily stun them in the past. It works against ulting feria mech

[olive sun]

that's weird

[slate sierra]

@compact ledge Have you speared a mech recently? I have and it didn’t have any effect on the feria in cannon mode… I think valda might’ve been shadow nerfed

[wraith frigate]

I think it's because the v1 Valda blocked the spear? I'm not sure because why's the monk wet 😭

[chrome cliff]

since when can v2 stagger transformers mid-attack?

i thought only v1 can do that

just test it in 0bans though

and let us know what you find

[olive sun]

not just stagger, if monk get hit by valda spear he kneel down and is unable to act for awhile, i'm certain that's an interaction

[compact ledge]

Hmm I’m not sure how recent. I’m 100% sure always speared monks and ferias to slow them down/stall for teammates with v2. but this season I’ve mainly been in dous so I’ve seen less of those too.

being able to stun a ulting monk to let a teammate escape his grasp has been my go to, I’ll be sad if they nerfed that interaction without even a word about it :

[slate sierra]

I’m busy with Easter family shenanigans but I’ll try to get a friend into a custom with me later to see what’s up

[compact ledge]

https://tenor.com/view/traewockhardt-sad-jjk-jujutsu-kaisen-gif-16591014784735052511

Confirmed; Valda v2 no longer has any stun effect on ulting monk or ulting feria. Just tested in customs, can post a video later if needed

why they shadow nerfing my beloved water bender that changes trios dynamics so much It not like it was broken?? Its interactive gameplay, my ult vs your ult not you ult I run away then I ult and you run away

Not a word about it in patch updates either

[olive sun]

wt

there's a chance it's a bug tho

[chrome cliff]

there is a good chance it was in a patch note, just not under valda

but under monk/feria

though honestly valda v2 was so strong at one point that you'd regularly see her in trios, even competitive

valda/zai/hadi, valda/hadi/feria, valda/zai/kurumi and what not

infinite water armor to the point where she never died or got canceled in ult and ability to stun anything

while being a transformer with no downsides of a clunky transformation

I'm not surprised they nerfed v2

and even before hadi and feria era, you'd sometimes see valda tianhai temulch in nbpl

[compact ledge]

makes 0 sense to me

[olive sun]

nope doesn't get mentioned anywhere

either a bug or they shadow nerfed it

[compact ledge]

It's interactive gameplay, ult vs ult Idk how that was deemed too broken. Do people really want to see more monk gameplay in nbpl? I cant show my friends monk gameplay and expect them to try the game out. Im #salty

[compact ledge]

I will be hard coping its a bug soon to be fixed

[chrome cliff]

your favorite character got nerfed, ofc it doesn't make sense to you

but being a onetrick is always bad

Just learn something else

if you want to survive in this game, you need to have a pool of 5 solo and 4 trio characters anyway

[olive sun]

make a bug report thread

[chrome cliff]

or only one of the two if you only play one game mode

[compact ledge]

[magic hinge]

Oh Valda doesn’t stun transformers?

About to spam sandformers comp

But doesn’t shayol shield stun transformers even if it doesn’t hit?

[scarlet dew]

she does

[scarlet dew]

it still makes no sense, valda isnt even that good

cyra is 1000 billion times better

and can stagger transformers for days

[low bear]

Hello!

[scarlet dew]

is not bad if u have fun onetricking

[scarlet dew]

u dont need

there is like what

about 30-40 players who compete in tourneys regularly

maybe 50

thats prob not even 0.01% playerbase

[magic hinge]

Yo Takeda can’t steal weapons on f1 if he is holding a long range weapon

Fix it

[scarlet dew]

besides if u know ur hero really really well, u find ways on how to deal with unfavorable matchups

[magic hinge]

Penemue and his ziping be like

-_-

[scarlet dew]

well this may to some degree not apply to solos i guess

if u play hero that doesnt have combo breaker

u will just get TOD'd on cooldown

[magic hinge]

But if you play against viper it doesn’t really matter when you have no buildings and bad movement

[magic hinge]

Lannie TOD moment

[low bear]

Hey guys/girls new player here, can you recommend me a hero to try out mainly for trios my party is playing Justina Gu and either Kurumi/Tessa, I've been running Zai, however wanted to try out something else as well, played a bit of Viper Ning which seems like a good option for trios, would like to hear some suggestions, thank you!

[chrome cliff]

Justina f1 v2 tessa v2 kurumi v1

Justina f2 v1 yoto feria f2 v2

viper f2v1 tessa f1v1 wuchen f1v1

these are some comps you can try

[low bear]

@chrome cliff Thank you 🙏

[elder wind]

Quick Question whats justina's glyph build ?

[rocky dove]

Default rage stam build

[surreal hound]

guys temulch f1 or f2

[rocky dove]

F1 is faster but f2 tracks

If your good a free aiming go f1

[chrome cliff]

f1

it's the only f played in high level games because it has the shortest cooldown and the fastest travel speed

no point in playing another f to have an easier time temporarily

eventually you're gonna switch to f1 anyway, so might as well save yourself the trouble of relearning it

[empty swallow]

f1

[surreal hound]

thanks all

[surreal hound]

guys

what skill to use on takeda

[magic hinge]

trios? f1 v3 or f1 v1

[kind ginkgo]

Check pinned comments, there are written all skills that are the most used for each hero 👍👍

[surreal hound]

omg i didnt realise thanks eldran

is takeda a good hero to learn

for trios would u ratehr have a yueshan or a takeda

on ur team

im debating between the two

[surreal hound]

and actually dont understand diff between v1 and v3

[olive sun]

they're the same but v1 deal extra damage to airbone targets (so it's the go-to V for solo and fancy airbone combos) and v3 damage/number of use scale with your whole team's weapon quality (so it's the go-to V for team modes, also the reason why you see a team with Takeda buy lots of weapon bags and hold lots of weapons in their bag)

in short: V1 for solo, V3 for team modes

[toxic hare]

Best v tarka ji for trio pls?

[olive sun]

V3 usually

but tarka is getting a rework soon

[kind ginkgo]

I wouldn't personally recommend tarka for trios 🤔👍

He's built to be a solos herk

Hero*

[kind ginkgo]

He's decent, but it's been a long while since he was meta

As for the takeda / yueshan question, it depends on the teamcomp

[toxic hare]

I knew that but he is freaking badass🥹

[kind ginkgo]

Both of them are comp dependant

[kind ginkgo]

Fair point

It will be super hard tho sadly

[vapid bramble]

Unless you are him… A good tarka with greatsword or polesword is very scary

[kind ginkgo]

for that you need to be dunking donuts 🤷‍♂️ 😆

if not i dont think it's worth

but, as long as you find it fun, it's definitely the way to go, screw meta 🤷‍♂️

[rocky dove]

All I gotta say on Tarka is

FIREBALL

https://tenor.com/view/wizard-battle-magician-nice-argument-fireball-punkeydoodles8-gif-16383972292825395645

[worn elm]

Is there a section for souljades? I need help building my Tessa

[olive sun]

#👾┃showdown

[worn elm]

@olive sun sank you 👌🏽

[magic hinge]

V3 is just stun really

The damage is really low

Even in gold

The cool thing Abt him is the long hit animation + stun

And it‘s wider hit area

More uses yeah( 4 instead of 3)

Sometimes v1 is also used in trios, I’m not sure why tho

But nonetheless both are viable

[magic hinge]

I need monk tips

Monk mains here, anyone?

[rocky dove]

Have good aim that’s about it

Or play a comp that can stun enemys in place like viper Justina or valda

[magic hinge]

isnt every justina freeze immune to grab?

[rocky dove]

Not that I’m aware but I could be wrong

[olive sun]

aside from hitting grabs it's also important to know when to ult and what to do with it
try to create situations where your enemies have to dodge your grabs and your teammates attacks at the same time

[slim spire]

wuchen solo potential, all solar or half solar half omni?

[kind ginkgo]

not sure what you are asking

you asking about showdown?

[slim spire]

pvp, potential tree

all on red

or half red half green

[kind ginkgo]

#🙎┃character-guides message

you might find this useful

i'd go with the one u sent personally tho

[slim spire]

thanks

[kind ginkgo]

np

[slim spire]

i mean it doesn't mattr what i pick in my low elo games but was just wondering which is better

[kind ginkgo]

i personally think that it's mostly a matter of what you want, but i'm definitely not the most knowledgeable person about glyphs; i like to test things and i don't really knw what's best

penemue's video i sent you should give you the idea on how to build them overall 👍

also i would say that glyphs can vary based on your environment and playlevel

pros for example seem to be building a parry oriented page of glyphs, which is definitely not recommended for new or intermediate players i would say

cuz parry is a dangerous action

[kind relic]

Spamming grabs will alternate your hands, good to keep in mind. Moving will reset your first grab to right hand, this matters a bit as the angle and hitboxes for both are slightly different for left and right grabs. Don't look like a bot and spam grabs if you're consistently missing, just readjust your position and get a better angle. Try to ult with some armor left, so when you come out of ult, you aren't completely naked. Getting a double grab and slamming, one enemy will take more damage than the other, I forget which, but test it in training tool and go for a re-grab on the less damaged one. Learn the interactions for other transformers and how to deal with them.

[surreal hound]

is takeda f1 noob trap

and i should use f3?

[magic hinge]

Wdym noob trap?

In trios, because of all the chaos you’ll catch someone’s blue and steal the weapon

It’s usually more of a safe measure to not get blued when u miss a parry

[empty swallow]

it's good

it's deterrent

u disable one of their options

and in trios with all the effects going on, some worse players will not even notice the purple aura and give u their weapon

but u can also use f2 if u want a more surefire weapon steal

[little cargo]

The noob trap in Takeda kit is his F2 and V2. F2 is debatable since you can use it as an active parry in a 1v1 situation. V2 on the other hand is straight up noob trap.
F1 is really decent in trios but rather expectable in solo.

[surreal hound]

can i do follow ups with f1 or f3

i feel like the value is very low if i cant

i need more takeda resources from the takeda pros pls

or should i just screw it and main viper

but i need my males (i assume u know why)

[olive sun]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lu7V_IIM9QA&list=PLrQP2TtQ1X4dywoFSV-xHAmDU2ny3S4wu

watch this dude takeda

[surreal hound]

tq!

this is pretty old

still viable?

[olive sun]

the playlist is shorted by oldest to newest

scroll down

there's recent vids

[surreal hound]

TQS

he has 85k gold wtf

no he has 858k

WTF

o.0

i wish the streamer had his inputs on screen

that would be the cherry on top

cause i have no idea how his able to do whut half his doing

that unhanded movement is wtf

that dagger movement 0.0 whta i dream of

@olive sun now i need me to teach me all that tech hahahahhaha how do i learn to do that rofl

how does he keep his momentum from the dagger grapple attack for so long

rofl

[olive sun]

those are general mechanics not takeda exclusive

[surreal hound]

yea even better

sry i just started last month im lacking everywhere

[olive sun]

check out these vids

[surreal hound]

tqs

[toxic hare]

Is anyone trying tarka ji rework?

How strong he is for solo duo and trio after rework?

[magic hinge]

The strongest most broken character in every mode pretty much

Solo? He can eat gold focus and knee it

Duo? You are getting insane peel and fire balled to death

Trio? He is broken, spam golden fireballs and knee people

This is like infinite peel against parries

Insane damage

You can’t be parried

You can still do everything like before

[kind ginkgo]

f3 i reckon yes, but unsure, f1 no followups

[toxic hare]

good to hear that sir🫡

[magic hinge]

And monk/feria/yueshan is dead to u

So transformers are like easy kills for a tarka

[magic hinge]

Are u by chance a tarka main?

[toxic hare]

Yes I'm ready to spam hadoken

[magic hinge]

I’ll wait for real patch tarka

But if he is as he is now

Bro is the definition of non interactive

[vocal grotto]

whats best champ to main?

[indigo mulch]

🎉 | Frozy leveled up!

[lost dagger]

just play who you find fun tbh

[vocal grotto]

okay is viper and valda good?

[lost dagger]

the meta heros are always changing with balance patches. Currently shayol, lyam, zai, valda, lannie, kylin are meta i think, might be missing some

viper is good in trios especially but requires coordination with your team

[vocal grotto]

i got lannie too

she is fun

[crude terrace]

If I'm new what are some good options for characters 🤷‍♂️

[little cargo]

I would say any character that has combo breaker (the text "Can be used under attack") in their F. So most of the character

Only one I recommending against is Tarka since he is both hard to master and has one of the easiest ToD in the game. A recipe for disaster. Also he will get a rework soon

[magic hinge]

Take Valda

Pretty straight forward and easy character to use

[dry perch]

Im new in the game and I’m main cyra. The nerf on her is just for her damage attack on ult? I was trying understand

[olive sun]

it's her shield when she pops ult

her ult dmg is the same

[dry perch]

Ohh ok thanksss

[surreal hound]

idk how to get more value out of takeda ability and ultimate (V3) in trios

i suck i think

[olive sun]

you'll need your team to follow up if you play takeda

[kind ginkgo]

If you have a non coordinated team, always safer to go v1 👍

As Tabbie said, V2 and V3 need team setup and followup

[olive sun]

your teammate need to pay attention to see if you grabbed someone or pushed someone with V

so they can immediately follow up with a charge attack

takeda furen got really high prio compare to other moves in the game

[little cargo]

Just V3

[olive sun]

so you can use it to cancel almost anything

[little cargo]

V2 SUCK even when you try combo with other

[olive sun]

plus that it can be cast under any status

so you (and your teammate who's close to you) could release alot of blues w/o worrying too much about getting parried

[kind ginkgo]

Fair 😂

[olive sun]

also like, let's say for example an enemy tessa ulted, it hits both you and your teammate, and you guys can't take back the soul for some reason, then they're charging blue waiting for tessa V to pops to release
then you and your teammate can just stay close together, when tessa V pops and u guys got enchanted, you can just send out a furen and push enemies back

so they can't release blues on u 2

[compact ledge]

Characters with damage, control and survival abilities are ideal for starter players. Avoid using characters for their looks when you start playing for the first time so that you can get a hang of the game and understand the abilities for each. You should use characters like Zai, Valda Cui and Yoto Hime which is quite good for a beginner however I recommend Zai out of all

[slate sierra]

I would definitely not recommend zai to a beginner. Zais ult completely overwrites neutral gameplay as she can hold gold focus for 90% of the time and tank blues/not have to worry about being parried at all.

[vocal grotto]

tarka ji or valda?

[slate sierra]

If you’re new and want to actually learn neutral weapon gameplay I’d recommend staying away from what we call “pseudo-transformers” as their ult essentially gives them a new weapon + a shit ton of gold focus and stagger protection so they don’t have to respect other players blue holds or anything. Pseudo-transformers of this kind include characters like Zai Kylin and Cyra

[rocky dove]

Valda is a good starting point

[slate sierra]

I agree I think Valda is fine, you are still fighting with weapons all the time which will help you learn spacing and the different attacks that weapons have to offer. Valda’s added health pool will help you survive longer while learning as well.

Tessa is probably another good beginner character

[vocal grotto]

what weapon should i use with valda

[slate sierra]

You can use whatever weapon appeals to you, but if you’re looking for Valda TOD weapons to combo with her ult, Longsword, Hengsword/Katana are popular choices

[vocal grotto]

okayy

thanks

[compact ledge]

I’m all for learning how to play fairly. I use Kurumi and I rely solely on gameplay and skills

But beginning with zai will help you understand the mechanics of each character

It’s up to the player whether they will use characters with extra perks or not

and truly it isn’t a problem, experienced players will know how to beat Zai, the people using her abilities too much have no skill either way

[vocal grotto]

kurumi or ziping yin

what weapons should i use as ziping yin

[chrome cliff]

flying knife

[magic hinge]

Straight to meta ahaha

But is it really a good starting weapon to learn?

It feels like a special case, closer to dagger and fan

[chrome cliff]

the best weapon to learn the game on is katana

the best weapon to use on ziping is flying knife

or if solos, can play dagger

[magic hinge]

Prob just one of the best weapons rn overall

Especially with the cool new jade

Where you can essentially cancel the hits and spam them like a cannon with stagger

[vocal grotto]

i use katana on valda every game and i learnd some combos its op ngl

[vocal grotto]

okayy

[next rock]

you need to be able to interupt katana charge like you can other weapons. Why tf does it gain pretty much super armour and can't be staggered when charging it

I see so many people spamming the charge attack on the katana. Easy enough to parry, but dont think your good if thats how you play (looking at the random I was with last night)

[rocky dove]

I mean that’s pretty typical katana gaming

[magic hinge]

Does it? How so?

[dreamy dawn]

who the most broken character plz or useful for 1vs1 or 2vs1

[olive sun]

what are you even talking about? you're immune to light attack stagger when charging blue with any weapon not just katana

[slate sierra]

Tarka, Kylin, Zai come to mind. Justina is good in 1v multiple if you’re good with her. She’s a higher skill requirement character imo.

[next rock]

blue vs blue bounces same with white vs white but the katana is just harder for me to time I guess. Just me bitching

[magic hinge]

Bruh

[median walrus]

So wanted to know whats some characters to consider while playing trios with randoms or friends

Aswell as some nice but forgiving /slight learning curve characters for solo q

[magic hinge]

Forgiving and good to use - Valda

You can play her in all modes

Tessa too, although a bit harder in solos

[median walrus]

Any others to consider?

[magic hinge]

Shayol is super forgiving and rn the meta in solos

But learning her would give you too many bad habits

[magic hinge]

Akos is not really forgiving, but I’d say a Duelist character who can shine in 1v1s

Ooooo forgot

Temulch

Maybe Justina and Lannie too

Good for control

[magic hinge]

Maybe you have some preference a? Control? Heal?

[median walrus]

Control for solo and maybe heal for duo/trio

[magic hinge]

Just play ziping for duos trios if you play randoms

I think it’s harder to coordinate with randoms to actually stay in kurumi circle

And solos prob Valda, Temulch

And lannie

Can’t wait for someone to tell me these reccs are bogus XD

[median walrus]

Ty!

[little cargo]

you mean clashing? Katana behave the same as other weapons tho

[grand turtle]

Evening dear naraka enjoyers and pros! With the tarka rework what U think is the best f / v to use and is there a Guide who teaches/ tell you what you should learn step by step to master tarka? Want to play him cause he looks funny but really hard too (and I Like my glam on him, dont judge me :p )

Playing on ps5 so if there is (100%) anything to know how I should start to learn to master him (or at least dont be shitty) please let me know great Naraka gods;3

[kind ginkgo]

I d recommend watching dunkingdonuts ' stream

He's the best you can ask for, if we talking about tarka

[next rock]

clashing yeah, brain couldn't think of the word yesterday so said bounces

[tawny hemlock]

is it impossible to counter the charged slap?

[rocky dove]

Correct

Slap is not parryable

[tawny hemlock]

why is it blue then? what were they thinking when they designed this game, all bue attacks are supposed to be parryable

[rocky dove]

I mean are you supposed to drop your hands when you get parried

the way to counter it is to clash blue and then win neutral

[tawny hemlock]

I guess man but it's bad game design, blue is literally taught in the tutorials that every time you see blue, you can parry it. Idc what they do with it, just change the color or something lol. It's very deceptive

[magic hinge]

well u can't parry kylin f choke, it's blue on startup

[kind ginkgo]

It's taught that every time you see blue with a weapon u can parry it 🤔

But it's also true that u can't parry in reaction

Also, blue is also only referred to as a status that overwrites white (light) attacks

Nothing fishy there TBF 🤔🤷🏻‍♂️

U see weapon, u can parry, no weapon, can't parry, as easy as that 🤔👍👍

[little cargo]

But if you see blue, you can grab

https://media.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExdzljejhhYjJzbnNlZDkwOTZpenQ5bzNkdzV2NzhuajN2Z3h1YndiaiZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/86LuJGSmCoYLjmdUhq/giphy-downsized-large.gif

[kind ginkgo]

😂😂

[rocky dove]

Grab these hands

[little cargo]

F3 works

[vocal grotto]

whats best weapon for valda

[magic hinge]

Anything you can combo with

[vocal grotto]

katana and fan?

and longsword

[rocky dove]

Spear had a tod with her second ult

[tawny hemlock]

Yeah I agree, but it's still stupid game design, the color should be changed, the game's own tutorials teaches you blue means parryable, therefore the color should be changed

[tawny hemlock]

yeah then that needs to be changed too, blue is taught to be parryable, apparently you can parry valdas spear ult thing which just shows that it needs to be changed, If blue is parryable, then non parryable movesshould be a different color. Charge slap and kylin choke can be green idc but blue makes no sense

[karmic wolf]

He does have a point, I mean purple is already there, which pretty much is what the slap and kylin choke are

I think blue can clash purple, or am I wrong?

[rocky dove]

Correct purple clashes with blue but can not be parried

[karmic wolf]

There it is

[kind ginkgo]

I don't see the problem 🤔

[kind ginkgo]

Kylin choke starts blue and ends golden 🤔👍

[karmic wolf]

can you parry the blue part?

[rocky dove]

You can clash him so he doesn’t grab you

[karmic wolf]

can you parry the blue part?

[tawny hemlock]

The problem is it’s bad game design, if blue means charge attack and red means counter and red always counters blue then an uncounterable attack should not be blue. It’s just that simple.

Weapon or not, one would naturally assume you could counter it and instead you would fall down or something if you got countered using slap.

Also you don’t see the problem because you’re taking it as an attack to the game. It’s not an attack it’s just straight up bad design. Like I said I don’t mind it existing the way it does but it should be a different color because like I said blue means it can be countered.

Imagine if a new player gets confused? Because why shouldn’t you be confused considering the game literally tells you in tutorials the game has a very clear cut rock paper scissors mechanic. Then out of nowhere they throw it out the window for 2 random attacks like kylin’s choke and slap. All they gotta do is add a new color and it’s fine, they already have 5 they could add 1 more it’s not that hard

[tawny hemlock]

I’m guessing no it the answer

[karmic wolf]

This should not even be an argument tbh

copium is real

[tawny hemlock]

Wdym

[toxic hare]

How can i managing my stamina with tarka ji ult it's depleted very fast🥲

[rocky dove]

Make sure every action you take has a purpose if you just spam you’ll just deplete your stam, kinda redundant to say it like this but I feel you I also have difficulty with stam management

[kind ginkgo]

If you are going for the katana infinite, give yourself time to recover a bit after each 3 uppercuts

[magic hinge]

Go full stamina glyphs

The part before overburn now doesn’t give u increased stamina regen

Before, it did

So before overburn you are playing nerfed tarka

[wheat hazel]

Hi, I'm new and I've bought Takeda Nobuta. Any recommendations?

[unborn grail]

tarka style

[rocky dove]

Fireball

[kind ginkgo]

Check the pinned comments, we have a list of the most common used abilities for each hero 👍👍

[wheat hazel]

okey

[dreamy dawn]

What is the best character for 1vs1

[rocky dove]

There’s a couple choices imo Tarka, takada, shayol, Justina and Zip

Each one has a different stick

Tarka is just broken af rn defensive ability with high stun or a moderate Aoe attack, access to the easiest Infinite TOD with ult
Takada can force them into a neutral battle
Shayol has very good defensive capabilities as well as a great combo starter
Justina’s defensive ability can be used to start combos at the right timing
Zip is just really annoying to fight XD

[rocky dove]

^

[dreamy dawn]

Thx so much

[chrome cliff]

lannie, lyam, temulch, akos, kylin, cyra, tarka, shayol

justina just got nerfed and builds bad habits if you aren't a pro

people do untrue stuff on her all the time outside of china and get away with it, but you will lose to good players

takeda hasn't been played in solos in a long time

ziping is 2023

if you want to play a character that has been meta since launch, go for temulch

no matter how the game changes, temulch has always been a staple in solos

he has the shortest CD combo breaker in the game despite having extra utility, and an ult that can trade for most ults

and imo outside of china, viper can be very viable right now

just be careful with third parties on you

[mild granite]

what was the nerf?

[indigo mulch]

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[magic hinge]

Question Abt glyphs for viper in AOT setup

The f is alr super fast regen

15, right?

Does anybody run the full green glyph? To lower f cooldown

I just run full red, green to 30% distance and then blue

Also question on first purple glyph

Does Zai ult count as weapon focus?

What else also counts as weapon focus

Does Takeda grab count as a weapon focus?

[chrome cliff]

can't raw dragon

if you don't know what it is, please ask someone else

[mild granite]

i do just didn't read to closely in patch

[kind ginkgo]

I'm recently having some trouble doing raw dragon with Lannie aswell, do you know if they nerfed that one aswell?

[karmic wolf]

what is raw dragon?

[magic hinge]

When u start a combo with ult after uppercut

[karmic wolf]

Thanks

[magic hinge]

My glyph question got ignored hard 😦

[lost dagger]

They nerfed lannie, her bounces are harder to chain together now. They knock people back further

Idk if this affects raw dragon but it might

[kind ginkgo]

Gotcha

[chrome cliff]

lannie raw dragon got removed from the game entirely

[chrome cliff]

you are wrong, her bounces are easier to chain together than they've ever been, she got a physics update that greatly improved consistency and QOL for lannie players

it's just that raw dragon got removed, so you can't start a lannie infinite from a grapple bump or uppercut anymore

[lost dagger]

Ah i guess i was misinformed. Tried her only once since the patch and felt less consistent

[chrome cliff]

yeah, it's not less consistent, it is fully gone
if you managed to hit a raw dragon, you are either super high ping getting away with unintended stuff, or you broke the matrix

[lost dagger]

Not raw dragon

[chrome cliff]

raw dragon might be possible against a wall, but that's the only thing i can think of

oh i see

well it shouldn't be less consistent

the knockup height got boosted, she can charge her balls for guaranteed knockup, and the 2nd and 3rd ball guarantees knockup if the first hit the enemy

[lost dagger]

I'll have to play her more ig

[chrome cliff]

it used to be that most characters needed a highway to combo, but lannie on launch needed a soccer field (e.g. staff combo required a lot of space, also in the x-axis)

now she can even combo uphill

[kind ginkgo]

Is there any way to still start combos from her ult activation?

[chrome cliff]

in general: no
in certain terrain: maybe, didn't test yet

[olive sun]

tf is an AOT setup

[chrome cliff]

attack on titan, when you give moxie and raven a beer, this is what they'll come up with because simply calling it "viper comp" doesn't cut it for them

why wouldn't you run CD reduction on viper

you want the enemy silenced as much as possible, every second counts

but besides, not all vipers run silence f, the other is viable too

[kind ginkgo]

Kk

[olive sun]

also they nerfed viper F1 cd from 15 to 18s

[magic hinge]

Then I should just run standard green and red

[magic hinge]

Hey, It’s a fun name

We tried the dmg f, I like the silence a bit more

Feria silence f is also cool

[chrome cliff]

i think these names are pointless, iirc someone started calling the tessa version "blind date"

since tessa got added, the yoto version isn't played anymore, so just calling it "viper comp" is perfectly fine

[sudden bloom]

guys best chara for solo ranked for new players

[kind ginkgo]

Anyone who you think is cool is fine 🤔👍

Characters come into play once you learned the basics and fundamentals of the game 👍

[slate sierra]

For solos you just want to avoid transformers really as they are meant to be played in team modes. So no Tianhai, Yueshan. Kurumi is also a support that’s dependent on her team so she isn’t played in solos either, but if you like the sustain style gameplay Ziping Yin has been played in solos a lot, though she’s fallen out of meta at the moment

Solos meta rn is probably Lannie, Lyam, Shayol as top picks.

For a beginner though maybe Valda? She has an extra HP ultimate and combo potential in her kit. So the extra HP should help cover for your mistakes as learning and her ult is a good setup or extender for combos

[native siren]

Ehem. Kurumi is still played in solos thanks to me lol. I regret it almost every time, but I still do it xD

But yes, listen to sky’s advice. She’s a great player that has repeatedly cooked me in BR matches

@kind ginkgo

[kind ginkgo]

Why the ping? 🤔

[karmic wolf]

Why do kittens require milk?

[magic hinge]

Nutrients

[karmic wolf]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-swim-in-milk-cat-kitty-milk-milk-cat-gif-23473453

[merry pasture]

what is the counterplay to tarkas new ult

[kind ginkgo]

Pray 😂🤔

Jokes aside,you should try to run away

And use the combo break to get out of the Tod combo

The ult itself works the same as the old one pretty much, only real difference is the knee hit, that's faster and has longer reach

[merry pasture]

so basically i should never queue solos without a combo breaker again

[kind ginkgo]

Yep

[merry pasture]

rest in peace ziping

[kind ginkgo]

As already was the case 🤔😂

[merry pasture]

nah back then you could still have a chance without combo breakers

[kind ginkgo]

Zip has i-frames, u can use those if u are super precise

But definitely a bad matchup for zip, yeah

[magic hinge]

Well you can just simply not get tod

[kind ginkgo]

Fair

Also, how possible is that?

[merry pasture]

hide in a bush all match 😎

[kind ginkgo]

I'd say that the better the tarka is, the less possible for you to avoid doing 1 mistake is

[magic hinge]

You can play viper no combo break

[kind ginkgo]

Yeah, so he can't ult 🤔😂🤷🏻‍♂️

But aside that not much luck

[magic hinge]

Well you can still Be in ult already on Akos

[kind ginkgo]

And he can still infinite you

[magic hinge]

The Akos ult lasts longer than v2

[merry pasture]

i saw a video on douyin where he can infinite akos ult

[kind ginkgo]

He should be able to

[magic hinge]

If you get caught

Just don’t get caught

[merry pasture]

o

[kind ginkgo]

Id say that this is the main point 🤔👍👍

[magic hinge]

But if you are in ult alr

For Akos, you can still outplay him

[kind ginkgo]

You still get hit

[magic hinge]

Takeda gameplay is still the same vs Akos

[kind ginkgo]

His knee can interrupt gold focus aswell 🤔🤷🏻‍♂️

[magic hinge]

Have u fought people on tarka on Akos?

[kind ginkgo]

I don't play much of both

[magic hinge]

Good Akos vs good Tarka is a fair game

[kind ginkgo]

But had the "chance" of testing out in custom a ton of interactions

With some huge tarkas

[magic hinge]

If he runs v2

[kind ginkgo]

If akos runs V2?

Depends 🤔

If u can land the pounce maybe

But if tarka has better reaction you are cooked

[magic hinge]

V2 tarka vs v2 tarka is fair game

[magic hinge]

If he has better reaction, better timing, better ping you are cooked anyway

You can catch Tarka jumping around all the same on Akos

[kind ginkgo]

Yeah

[magic hinge]

Tarka doesn’t have inf stamina

You have essentially infinite jump pounces

You can also delay them

[kind ginkgo]

Does he need it? 🤔

[merry pasture]

thx this saved me

[kind ginkgo]

[merry pasture]

got third partied after and lost but it still saved me 😌

[magic hinge]

Wahahhaaha

[merry pasture]

how many times do i need to tap dodge out of wuchen ult? i just did it twice in a row and it still hit me both times

[kind ginkgo]

If u dodge when he throws the blade at you, you are finr

Otherwise u are hit

[merry pasture]

i did, i wasnt even in the radius on the floor but it still focused me 😵‍💫

[kind ginkgo]

If the first sword hits u are doomed 🤷🏻‍♂️

Hard to tell what happened without a clip, but most likely I didn't manage to avoid it 👍🤔

[merry pasture]

wish this game had a replay system

[kind ginkgo]

Windows button plus g 🤔😂

If you are on windows

Records the last 30 sec

[merry pasture]

damn i did not know that

[native siren]

nobody likes Ziping, bleh.

[finite burrow]

I think she is cool 😁

[native siren]

Cuz you weird lol

But seriously

Nobody likes her

[finite burrow]

A lot of them play her tbh.

[merry pasture]

i do!

[native siren]

But nobody ever has a good time fighting a ziping. You can’t punish a Ziping for casting her F skill even when you fully predict it. You can’t catch her because of her focus state, you can’t blue her because she can react parry it, and it doesn’t waste her F because she gets all the healing and buffs. Compare that to other characters where a bad use or predicted skill use can go poorly for them. There really is no losing with Ziping skill and ult casting.

Not to mention her built in mortal defiance for her ult makes her a pain in the ass to kill. As long as she has ult and skill, there is no killing a Ziping quickly

[little cargo]

Now now...

Ziping with explosive armor and mortal defiant with V and F available

[magic hinge]

Does mortal stack with red jade?

[olive sun]

it does

[magic hinge]

Let’s do an ultimate ziping build

Red ls

Yang line buff

Red armour

Explosive armour

Both Ls gold jades

[olive sun]

iirc mortal defiance also stacks with itself

[magic hinge]

So we got

2ls jades

2morral

1vulpine

1explosive

Peak ziping

[signal chasm]

hi can anyone give like a character tier list? Some I see online are quite outdated

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[kind ginkgo]

Depends on solos duos or trios

Considering that duos is meh and all works....

Tarka is there everywhere atm

Justina also strong, Lyam and Kylin are solid

For solos

Kylin a bit less at high level atm

[signal chasm]

just solos will do to save yourself time haha

more or less looking for a low tier

[kind ginkgo]

Low tier?

Any kind of gameplay in mind?

[signal chasm]

hmm all around really

not too fussed

[kind ginkgo]

Mhhh

Why a low tier then?

All around characters usually stand at the top of mid to high tier id say