🔱┃weapons-combat

[ember hare]

Can someone help me with a quick question, I haven't played in a while but now from what I saw and how it feels, it looks like quick parry on the button has the same speed as counter parry and jump parry, Should I simply use quick parry or stick to jump parry ? Thanks

[onyx loom]

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[naive plaza]

@ember hare jump parry gives you magnetism towards the attack you’re trying to parry so it isn’t the same as just parrying

[undone anchor]

Quick parry is the button, the only difference there was a while ago was between quick parry to start the input or scissor parry

Dash parries are usually faster, but ATM it doesn't really matter which input u use to do the effective parry 👍

And jump parries have magnetism 👍, as skynyx said 👍

[wise coral]

Im so close Can only do it one time outta 20 and when I do it feels like a accident lol. But its possible to 211 without sheathe/dash Ill keep working on it.

[undone anchor]

It technically is a swap to the same weapon, that's why

Normal 211 is more consistent overall from what I tested at least

For me specifically

[wise coral]

I just cant seem to make the normal 211 work, I can weapon swap to a ps/gs mid air or the katnna juggle ect, but the normal 211 combo hates me>.< So ill keep trying this method, see if I can get it consistent.

[vital marsh]

normal 211 shift seems impossible with +65ms, that method seems way more viable

[wise coral]

New weapon -> https://discord.com/channels/750237703739539497/1347582552285904897

[inner pivot]

I would like to ask for a comparison between a long sword and a spear.

[void current]

I'm prob not the most qualified as I'm still trying to learn the game but...

A comparison as in general mechanics? Bcuz if I were to answer that in a face value, I'd say they have different movesets, range, and combos

[undone anchor]

LS is quicker, shorter range, different set of combos 🤔👍

Spear has more range, slow and fast animations, less of a combo weapon, but some are still possible

I'd say both weapons are really good, but I'd prolly give the edge to ls for combos and dmg potential, while I'd say spear, same as staff, has more pressure on neutral due to the 1.5 release 🤔👍

(there is more to it, but in short this is it 🤔👍)

[void current]

So basically a range pressure vs more combo potential. Am I correct?

[undone anchor]

Neutral pressure does not only include range pressure, but also focus timings,... 👍👍

[wise coral]

Finally close to having the 211 without the dodge Was hard to figure out that video tabbie posted but ive finally got the inputs down now its just getting timing on lock. Inputs are ; crouch- hold rmb-scroll wheel~hold primary weapon~scroll wheel~let go of rmb

You have to do the first swap as early as possible, I just took the combo step by step trying to find the earliest to input things. That first scroll is before you start going up, its your pre-input swap that will proc after you do the next one. I switched my 1 and 2 around since it was easier to hit 2, but you need to be holding whatever button is your "primary weapon" on your way up the uppercut. You also have to wait for the "primary weapon" to proc(bottom right of screen when both weapons are yellow) mid-air before you scroll for the last time. If you do it right, your pre input swap procs after and you staring charging rmb with no pause mid air

[vital marsh]

hmm noooice that one at the end was smooth , thanks for the info ❤️ i will stick with this one too

congrats im sure its not easy to pull out with our ping

[wise coral]

haha thanks and good luck with getting it! Timing's feel pretty precise. Also if you notice you are really close but the bot is barely rolling out in time, with our ping you can count it as a make. The training bot is 0 Ms so its a lil cheater sometimes. As an example I can hit the staff ps/gs swap just about every time in game, but vs the training bot I can never connect the last hit.

[sly ore]

pro tip: turn off grass

your graphic settings are way too high in general

[wise coral]

but the game's so pretty

i keep most settings low and a few maxed, but my lows for fps are 150s and im usually in the 200-240s with my settings

[flat onyx]

is that model texture?

[rotund solstice]

Is that with frame gen off but dlss on?

[wise coral]

I'm AMD but I don't run either for naraka, I believe you're not supposed to for pvp games if you wana attempt to be a tryhard

something about latency but idk the details

[dense ether]

Hi , does anyone know where can I watch Mike pov ?

[orchid walrus]

There Is one on YouTube 2024 j cup solo final

[dense ether]

Cannot find it

[orchid walrus]

Someone can give me advice on how to counter Overcomer effectively? Have problem.with this dam horse

[orchid walrus]

What are you even type on the search bar?

There is not that much on YouTube

Try Chinese platform

[dense ether]

Thanks

[undone anchor]

Try parrying earlier than you think; distance helps a lot. Aside from that, jump parrying is better in this case, since it will close some distance forward 👍👍

[orchid walrus]

Hard to do 🥲

[onyx loom]

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[undone anchor]

it takes practice

sadly naraka does never offer "easy" options

especially around parries

[surreal totem]

you can see more in NarakaAutoReplays. they update it everyday with every pro players.

[surreal totem]

must be experiencing ping issue so your parry keep missing.

[dense ether]

hi sorry i cant find this auto replay

nvm is YT

thank you

exacly what I was looking for

[surreal totem]

https://youtube.com/@narakaautoreplays?si=_amPTg3aFGGjty4d

[rotund solstice]

Some people start combos with hold dodge cancel and some start it with crouch cancel

Like H > C > H > c.H > grapple
Vs
H > hold dodge > H > c.H > grapple

Other than you possibly being able to evade a random attack in the hold dodge, why do one vs the other?

I’m assuming it’s mostly muscle memory in the way that person learned the combo but it feels like there’s more to it that I’m not sure of

[meager trail]

ACCA preserve your stamina while ADA allows you to reposition yourself

[rotund solstice]

Oooh right I forgot about that

don’t some weapon combos interact differently if you start from behind your opponent as well?

[meager trail]

not really

mostly for the terrain

for example if you cornered your opponent, ACCA into grapple blue hold won't hit because they gonna lands on the wall or a rock and is able to dodge earlier (cuz the falling distance is shorted bcoz of the uneven terrain)

but ADA allows you to dash to their sides or their back and change the direction the target gonna fly to, leave room for the blue hold to hit

you can even do AJA (light attack > tap jump > landing > light attack), it's also a true combo

[zenith ravine]

hi, new to naraka, im kinda confused on how i should be thinking abt weapons. in other BR's its good to have your "favorite loadout" but also ideal to have experience with every weapon (recoil patterns etc). Could I apply this same logic to naraka?

[flat onyx]

Yes

[undone anchor]

yep, exactly the same 👍

[dense ether]

can anyone tell me

how do u cancel falling down animation after uppercut?

for example with long sword

[deft snow]

https://youtube.com/watch?v=LK0f7Cj5wCA&feature=shared

I‘m just gonna assume you know it with grapples and skip to this.

[ebon sun]

So from what I've watched this is primarily a melee fighting game, but if you wanted to try to play it like a zoner (aware it is probably a bad idea) I'm curious what chara and ranged weapon combos would y'all recommend

[wise coral]

You can find out more in #🙎┃character-guides but try Feria out in free training see if she’s your style

[undone anchor]

if you want to play ranged it's going to be hard; as they suggested just above feria might be what you are looking for, since her whole kit is guns 🤔

not going to be easy tho, dodging ranged in this kind of game is relatively easy

[wicked socket]

This is pretty much exactly it
Honestly having a preferred loadout is even more common here because of how different and deep a lot of the weapons are
But you still want to have experience everywhere in case you can't find what you want

like for me my preferred weapon is heng and if I find one I'll pretty much always use it, but I still know how to use every weapon at least competently in case I can't find a heng/ I find like, purple other weapon and can only find a white heng

It can also be important here to recognize what you're better at here; sometimes picking up the higher rarity weapon won't be worth it if you're way worse at it

I'd rather have a white heng then a purple dagger personally LOL

I'd be more effective on the heng bc I suck at dagger

so yeah, just find what you like but make sure you at least can defend yourself with everything basically lol

[wicked socket]

You absolutely can play it like a zoner but you still need melee, you can't parry with ranged weapons
As they mentioned Feria is a good choice, and for weapons, stuff like bow or musket are your best bet, they can absolutely shred with good souljades

[viscid kelp]

Tbf for a beginner I'd roll with weapon preference
At high level play your loadout imo depends more on what each weapon is good at. So for example:

Dagger/Fan have the fastest scalerush, so for city environment kiting you should have one of them
DB/DH/Nunchucks are good at chasing, so to track someone down, you should have one of them
Staff/Heng are decent for open field kiting, so you should also have one of those

[wicked socket]

That too but that's way higher level lol

[wicked socket]

Also to add onto this I'd avoid pistol/repeater going for pure zoner builds (unless you get a cracked out Jade loadout)

While both can be good they're way less good at actually killing people, they're more engage tools

[wicked socket]

Also just to make sure we don't discourage you here's someone absolutely shredding with ranged lol

It can be great just requires more work

[zenith ravine]

tysm! My pref weapon is the dagger but out of curiosity, is there a "tier list" for the certain weapon archetypes?

[undone anchor]

Not really, some perform better than others, but it's smth true especially at higher levels

Like fan being slightly stronger than dagger, for certain things, Heng sword being insane due to the possibility to cancel focus attacks, fistblades,...

It depends

I'd say that overall all weapons are good, except maybe great sword, which id recommend ignoring if you are not a tarka main 🤔😂

[zenith ravine]

thanks for the help! ive been enjoying zai and justina alot

[wicked socket]

Not really but I'd avoid greatsword as a new player

[jade gull]

Honestly stay away from heavy’s until you have a decent understanding of neutral

[vital marsh]

True, and if you still want to use it, be sure to first learn about special heavy weapon mechanics, or otherwise you are going to be punished really easy with them.

[ebon sun]

I cant ping everyone so TYSM for all the help I really appreciate it haha

gonna go through all this and figure it out, again im really thankful

Feria looked obvious cause she has the gun, thats also a backwards leap so she looked promising, but I was browsing gameplay on the train and I realized I would need some form of solid CC to really zone, like the water lady. Definitely gonna try and checkout both of those.

[undone anchor]

[rotund solstice]

Feria's most common ability version has a silence on it that is really strong

but if you want more zoning and free pewpew opportunities i think temulch would be best

he has a get out of jail free card, aoe zoning, escape and ways to set yourself up for free/easy damage

although with feria you just poke from a distance and once they get close and engage you go mech and pewpewpew and just kill them all lol her mech is really strong in teamfights

[wise coral]

Finally able to 100% confirm the no sheathe/no dodge version of 211 is viable anyone with higher than 65+ms or so should try this one if they couldn't get 211 the normal way like I couldn't

Fast weapons like heng will let you hit the training bot at 70s ms, but 211 with staff or nunnies it slightly misses. Ive confirmed it in customs tho they still hit real enemies

[undone anchor]

The issue is the uppercut height, not the animation speed 👍🤔

Nunchucks are much faster than Heng on release

But I reckon that they also have the lowest uppercut height of the game, not counting fistblades

Nonetheless, WP!

[wise coral]

i see that make sense bc nunnies feel so fast but i couldnt get them to confirm on the bot like i could swords

[undone anchor]

👍

On the other hand, weapons like DH are animation locked, so u cannot work with them for a 211 usually

[wise coral]

tytyty 211 plagued me for so long. Could never get the normal version so just gave up but tabbie posted that video and I knew I had to try lol

[undone anchor]

(slower swap)

[undone anchor]

👍

Next step is 211 into carousel 👍

(longsword)

[wise coral]

[undone anchor]

🤷🏻‍♂️

[empty flicker]

dagger is the best weapon for running away and is a top pick for pro play due to its strong neutral

[wary escarp]

DID YOU SAY DAGGER?

[zenith ravine]

yeah i like the way it feels a lot

[zenith ravine]

indeed

heng sword feels pretty nice too

[undone anchor]

He's THE dagger lover if you need anything 👍😂

Right @wary escarp ?

[wary escarp]

Some what, I haven't been in touch with this game for a while now

[meager trail]

you shifted to dagger play irl?

https://tenor.com/view/chris-pratt-happy-surprised-gif-1004235684873562570

what's ur current kda

[zenith ravine]

honestly theres ALOT i need 💀

[undone anchor]

About game in general or just dagger?

[zenith ravine]

i'm kinda understanding neutral a lot more

i played a lot of tekken and the idea of dodging and spacing is helping me a lot

[zenith ravine]

but for the dagger specifically i feel like i get parried a lot after i go for a dash attack

i'll do a left click-> dash then try the blue but get parried

[undone anchor]

This is because the animation itself is somewhat slow

This means people can parry it on reaction

[wary escarp]

Don't do it repeatedly

[undone anchor]

It's good to use it as a mixup, but as a go to it's easy to parry

[wary escarp]

If you do, try to mix something like this

[zenith ravine]

i feel like i don't even my options for the dagger

rn the only "mixup" i can get going is a light ->dash -> off rythm attack

then i hope for the best 😭

[undone anchor]

Play around with release timings

Also just going for a 1-2 before backing off is a good option

There is 1 main combo out of horizontal focus that you could do, but only if you hit it

The rest is pure neutral and hold checking

[meager trail]

you could cancel that blue with grapple
or you could hold W and turn your camera when releasing that blue to change the direction

[wary escarp]

When you doing the attack after dash, if you feel like your opponent will parry, hold W and move your mouse so your blue focus whiff and then vertical for a bit of damage

[undone anchor]

Grapple cancel is dangerous usually

Depending on the moment u do it

[meager trail]

so?

[undone anchor]

Dangerous option 🤔

Meaning easily punished

[meager trail]

uhh, so?

i'm saying that it's something he could do in case he doesn't know, doesn't means that he should always do it

[undone anchor]

I knw, I was just pointing out the eventual dangers 🤔

Nothing against you 🤔🤷🏻‍♂️

[meager trail]

well he was saying that he got parried bcoz he was predictable
i just tell him something he could do to make his attack pattern unpredictable with mixups

[wary escarp]

@zenith ravine Something you can try to do if you expect opponent to parry your attack

[zenith ravine]

yeah i was kinda thinking this so ty for validating that

[zenith ravine]

is 1-2 just a left click then right click?

[wary escarp]

1-2 is just starter into second confirrm hit

[zenith ravine]

ooooh i like this

[wary escarp]

1-2-3 is the 3 hit string that end with blue focus (that most likely to get you parried)

[zenith ravine]

ahh ok

[zenith ravine]

ty for this too

ty to all of u guys tbh

[wary escarp]

For dagger, left click then right click usually your go to in neutral, if your first hit got in, the only confirm damage is the second

[zenith ravine]

super helpful

[zenith ravine]

got it

[wary escarp]

Most of dagger combos are from blue focus

[zenith ravine]

is it fine to practice this in the blood mode?

forgot the name

it's the deathmatch style one

[wary escarp]

Not really, bloodbath usually filled with bots and not really good place for practice

Either trying to learn in BR or fighting in custom are ways to improved

[wary escarp]

Yeah... sadly it usually filled with bots

[zenith ravine]

ok so i'll stick w br then

i try my best to take as many fights as possible

if i wanna try the customs is there like a special workshop map

[wary escarp]

It is good to learn how to fight, but also learn when and how to retreat

[zenith ravine]

ow has them so imma assume this does too lol

[wary escarp]

Fight but don't waste your time dying over and over

[wary escarp]

Nope

[zenith ravine]

rip

[wary escarp]

But you can select off list of spot to fight

Usually if you want a flat place without much disruption then gate of yang is your go to

But every option in custom bloodbath is a place you can find in BR

Also, a fun option for dagger is you can try to move out of your opponent sight by dodging toward them

I have experience fight where I won because it just confuse my opponent since they can't see me.

[zenith ravine]

that's funny asf

yeah i'll def have to try all these options out

tysm!

[wary escarp]

More of trick than a solid advice

Also @zenith ravine, for dagger focuses, I suggest hold check. Hold it more than what it need to release a blue focus, cancel if you feel like you will get parry by dodging. You can tell from a couple of interaction like that if your opponent is a trigger happy with their parry or not. This apply for all weapons, not just dagger, but it is important if you want to put pressure between your focus and your normal attack

[dark rose]

yo im having trouble with the grapple bump, i feel like im either not sending them high enough or my bumps are bad

[jade gull]

As soon as you hit the uppercut throw the grapple then buffer charge the blue

[dark rose]

what is buffer charge

[jade gull]

Hold the attack button as you throw the grapple

[dark rose]

thanks

[undone anchor]

@wary escarp if you got a clip of it we can look at it together and try to fix eventual problems 👍👍

(sry vàng for the ping, no idea why it's there TBF 🤔🤦🏼‍♂️🤦🏼‍♂️)

[vital marsh]

put a clip of your best try if you need further help

[meager trail]

what just happened lol

[stray mason]

If you hook someone on green focus you grab him like that

[meager trail]

oh

that's new to me

i never play qm lmao

thanks

[dark rose]

I am trying to hold dash back and then hit to dash to target but it keeps long dashing messing the combo up

[jade gull]

Hold Dodge is short
Tap dodge is long
Mid dodge is an in between

[dark rose]

I’m holding dodge tho

[jade gull]

Try doing it without a directional input

[meager trail]

it's just your input issue

[rotund solstice]

im having problems with a katana combo,

its the H, H , c.V, G, c.V, j.H j.H

1. sometimes the dummy floats with me like its supposed to, other times i go up but dummy stays down despite me hitting them. I think this is mainly from camera placement on grapple? not sure why its not that consistent

2. i cant get the second j.H at all, im making sure im tap jumping and making sure it happens as soon as my feet hit the ground, i jump too high and like lag or something and teleport its weird lol (60ms 140fps)

3. since i practiced the above for so long now my normal grapple 1.0s arent hitting, holding A and lmb the entire time, just isnt happening for me right now lol

any tips? ill record a clip in the morning

[flat onyx]

I told you Abt it bro

[undone anchor]

I need a clip for it, but as a general question, when do you start holding w?

You want the enemy to be exactly under you after the second uppercut, in order to continue the float consistently and comfortably

As for point 1, mostly a grapple / timing issue; if second uppercut does not happen, either you were too slow or your grapple was positioned badly 🤔👍

For point 2, FPS are more than enough; ms should be also fine but a bit weird overall

Second jump horizontal is just a matter of timing

This specific combo is precise, you need to have the correct rhythm and positioning

Grappling a bit further away than you usually do should help with it

As for point 3, most likely timing and grapple issues id say 🤔, but then again id need a clip of it to be sure

[rotund solstice]

so this is a lot of whats happening, though times the dummy doesnt come up at all, so it seems like it is a timing issue mostly, im just not sure where

[undone anchor]

I'll watch in about 1h, my disc is bugged and I can't see anything. For some reason 🤔🤔

Once I got my computer I'll try from yhere

There*

[rotund solstice]

no worries at all 🙂 i appreciate it

figured more examples would be better, here is a couple more with examples of both me getting it and also missing it, i cant tell even watching back why it doesnt work on some of them

[meager trail]

you just need to be very precise with the uppercut after grapple bump

[dark rose]

what is the input so i can do it right, i keep roll doging

[meager trail]

wdym roll dodging

after the 1st light attack hits, press and hold dodge and don't let go of dodge button until you saw 2nd light attack animations started
you could even hold the dodge button all the way til 2nd light attack hits

[dark rose]

so i atk when i am holding dodge?

[meager trail]

yeah

you can attack any moment during hold dodge animation

[vital marsh]

I always seen that combo not consistent with 150ish FPS - 70ish ping (after netcode changes i mean)

[undone anchor]

I have it consistent at 75-80 🤔

[vital marsh]

ping ?

[undone anchor]

30 to 40

I can't go higher atm

[vital marsh]

are there videos of anyone pulling that out consistent with those specs in bot ?

post netcode ofc

[rotund solstice]

not that i know of, but where i got it from and why i am learning it is here: (timestamp included) https://youtu.be/B8wAuUpOdxk?t=395

another example same video 13:45

hes probably got more fps than me though cries in 2k ultrawide

[vital marsh]

yeah it seems he has lit better performance, in free training also he is more in between 48-55ms. Im not saying im 100% sure is not possible, but I just find really hard to pull it out with those specs... but im not sure at all

[undone anchor]

60 ms should be fine for most combos 🤔

Threshold is usually around 75-80 from what I recall

60 is still a bit weird, but it should work most of the times

[compact island]

I have it consistent capped at 120 FPS 40~40ms

the third j.H is the one that is just not happening on flat terrain with those FPS

[rotund solstice]

finally got a full one

[vital marsh]

nice tho, keep going

💪 👌

[rotund solstice]

whats the most common problem when people arent getting the focus off on the bot in the grapple focus katana combo? im holding a and lmb the entire time im grappling

i noticed i only get it if my timing on the release is perfect, like i think they call it the .9 timing

sometimes i release at .9 but it still doesnt get the damage off

so now my j.h's are more consistent now but struggling with the easy one XD

[vital marsh]

do you mean the normal grapple katana combo ?

[meager trail]

many things

uppercut speed, grapple speed, grapple position

pre charge blue

ping and fps

you don't need to hold A when grapple tho

[rotund solstice]

ah yeah, the buffer H stops the roll anyways, nice

[compact island]

what are your opinions on morus weapons?

bloodripper/flamethrower

[surreal totem]

this...why they dont give it to anyone.

[compact island]

I do not think I get what you mean

I was talking more on the side of, are they really useful?

I can see some use on the flamethrower but the ripper seems pretty bad? or maybe I do not know how to make use of it

with that said even the flamethrower seems bit dubius cuz of range, maybe for a finishing blow since they cannot block it and is hard to evade

[surreal totem]

I dont play Showdown much so dont know if the monsters take damage with fire.

[compact island]

I meant PvP, do someone use them in PvE? Did not know

[undone anchor]

Blood ripper meh, flamethrower strong

[compact island]

which situation you feel flamethrower is strong

[undone anchor]

Poke dmg

Flamethrower does not have much range, but excels at dealing dps up close

Plus it burns

Pretty common to burn people caught in a Shayol ult, monk,...

Or also when people try to approach or are doing smth else

[compact island]

So teams mostly? what about Solos? You still feel is strong ?

[zenith ravine]

how does parrying like actually work

[onyx loom]

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[zenith ravine]

i haave like 40 ping so do i press earlier than i need or later

feels super weird

[viscid kelp]

Perhaps this video can help you

[undone anchor]

It is not bad

Shayol ults,... Suffer a lot from it

And it's a good thing to swap to for a brief moment

But wouldn't call it op

[compact island]

my fear was that you are vulnerable to blues, but yeah I guess quick swap could even be used as bait

[undone anchor]

U don't use it as a go to weapon, but more to fit in some more dmg or just to be annoying

The dps is definitely decent

[naive plaza]

Play Shayol, press ult, run in and flamebringer

[compact island]

Hahaha

[undone anchor]

😈😈😈

[zenith ravine]

yea i will play around w it more

i prob just need to like play the game more

[wicked socket]

i've learned to acca

[meager trail]

you could input the light attack earlier

almost the same time with 2nd crouch input

[wicked socket]

ye ik but this was my first time still so still getting the hang

[meager trail]

yeah

just saying

[undone anchor]

Nice!

[meager trail]

how did i hit these parries lmao

[undone anchor]

First one is a normal one 🤔

As for the second one no idea, disc bugged out and I can't see it

[meager trail]

it's not
the red spark was over

many times i get hit with the same situation

though it's quite close yea, i suppose it could happen

but 2nd one is super weird lol

no red spark, also not a dodge parry

i wonder if the polesword hold dodge into blue hold into parry counted as a dodge parry

[undone anchor]

In the slowmo it just had started 🤔

[undone anchor]

I'll come back to it as soon as I can see the clip on my pc 👍👍

Disc videos on my phone bug out

[viscid kelp]

I think the red flash has a consistent animation length
However since we know that weapons' parries differ, it's not too unexpected that you can parry outside the red flash window

You're esp gonna get that with nunnies

Recently I got parried like this too

[meager trail]

yeah probably, i don't play ps that much so this just look weird to me

but the 2nd parry is definitely weird ah

only dodge parry is able to success w/o an actual red flash

but i didn't do a dodge parry

this is literally the 1st time i saw this

[viscid kelp]

There might have been a tiny red flash that didn't get recorded because (I assume) you've recorded at 60fps

So in theory there is a 16.67ms dead zone where it could have been

However it's also possible that the game is just weird

The rule of red-flash=parry is decently consistent, but not perfect for sure

After all it's Naraka

[meager trail]

yeah i recorded at 60 FPS, but this just never happened before

never in my entire time of naraka a parry without a red flash successed

the ''normal'' would be parry animation finished but red flash didn't appear and the parry failed

but here the parry animation barely started and it successed

might try it on the training bot to see if the polesword hold dodge into blue hold into parry counted as a dodge parry

but even if it works in training room idek if it's true in matches lol

[meager trail]

so for ps i was able to get multiple succesful parries w/o red flash

for kata despite the input and the timing is exactly the same, the red flash always present

though this ''test'' doesn't have any real value because in training room our parries are client sided

but it's just weird

[viscid kelp]

Ye in free training red flash is cosmetic
It's the inverse of normal matches

Your parry still has a startup, but the red flash falls out of the equation

[compact island]

so you think in matches the red flash is affected by opponent ping?

[meager trail]

by your ping

red flash indicate that your parry was confirmed by the server

[compact island]

but if it is by your ping, should not be affected in training too?

[meager trail]

nah, if there's no other player in the match, parry is client sided

same goes for training room

[compact island]

I see

[meager trail]

also bot matches

[stray mason]

If the other guy has lag the parry you do last longer than it should be

[undone anchor]

Not always true 🤔

Between players ping interactions are a weird terrain

But like electrons, sometimes they act in a certain way, and sometimes in another one 🤔😂

[stray mason]

Not between players
Player-server-player
That's how it works

[undone anchor]

Fair, but in the end, same thing technically 🤔

I just shortened it

[stray mason]

That's why with PS users you always have to parry earlier, cause of fps and ping

[undone anchor]

Dodge > parry in most cases 🤔

I feel like most of the times early parry is just dangerous

[stray mason]

Same thing, different execution

[undone anchor]

Not really 🤔

Dodge ain't really punishable, parry is

Unless u go into th

Them*

[stray mason]

But we are not talking about what is dangerous are what no, check the video to get context

[stray mason]

This one

[undone anchor]

I did 🤔👍

I knw

Already shared my thoughts on that video specifically 👍👍

Also Takao answered

[stray mason]

So don't change topic bruh

[undone anchor]

????

You went to general context 🤔🤷🏻‍♂️

[undone anchor]

I was just following

(sry for the message delay, went into a gallery with the train)

[undone anchor]

You just cut the whole conversation In the middle....

[stray mason]

Topic

[undone anchor]

Again, take all the conversation, don't cut it to try and mislead

[stray mason]

Check what Tabbie asked

What the parries work

[undone anchor]

I did, also answered Tabbie, Takao also did

.

[stray mason]

And you go what is dangerous and what don't xd

[undone anchor]

Here I answered you. 🤔

Not Tabbie.

Pretty linear

If you don't want to discuss and just try to repeat in a loop, I feel like my presence here ain't really needed

Have a nice day

[stray mason]

Someone got mad

https://tenor.com/view/hehehe-creepy-funny-smile-gif-14696805

[undone anchor]

Not really, just don't feel like having a discussion with someone that tryes to control discussions that way 🤔😂👍👍

Dwz I'm not that easily angered

[stray mason]

Discussion was about conections

But you brought other topic to this

But whatever bruh 🤣

[undone anchor]

?

Tabbie question has been answered by Takao, and I also had a few inputs way back. Remembered I answered about your comment about ping interactions 🤷🏻‍♂️. But then again, no use for g forward on that track I guess

[stray mason]

Nope, the thing was to conection and ping issues about parries

But you can talk whatever you want 👍

[undone anchor]

Everyone can 👍👍

Still, my intention was to talk about ping interactions😂

The whole way through

[stray mason]

https://tenor.com/view/hah-righttt-yeah-right-whatever-you-say-ok-gif-16175049

[undone anchor]

Again, check where it started

No use taking 1 comment in the midst of a discussion 👍👍

[stray mason]

https://tenor.com/view/will-smith-will-smith-smh-smh-will-smith-oscars-will-smith-shaking-head-gif-11929902220898662190

[undone anchor]

Where our conversation started...

I really can't tell if you are trying to troll here ngl 🤔🤷🏻‍♂️

[stray mason]

About ping and conections

[undone anchor]

Anyways, what had to be said has been said, once again, have a nice day 👍

[stray mason]

Not what is safer

[undone anchor]

Yep, ping and connections

[stray mason]

But whatever

Gonna play something this seems like a bad comedy xd

Cya

[undone anchor]

My friend, u literally said "same things, different execution"....

About parry and dodge

[undone anchor]

🤷🏻‍♂️

Dunno what to tell you, but that aside have a great game, since you said u wanted to play smth

This really ain't the place for this kind of diatribe, if so you want to call it🤔😂

[stray mason]

You don't understand that parrying earlier has the same timer that dodge and parry

But keep calling it as you wish

I repeat gonna play, the topic was conection and ping

[vital marsh]

🤦‍♂️

[meager trail]

this dude 70ms 200 FPS gameplay is... interesting

[undone anchor]

200 FPS...

The dream... 😂😂👍

[flat onyx]

Bro looks clean tho

[onyx loom]

🎉 | Aero leveled up!

[meager trail]

too damn clean with his db kata combo
and his repair dodges

with a ping of 70

[undone anchor]

yepyep

[flat onyx]

You think he using something like a fake ping?

I don’t know how stable 50-60 ping looks like

When I had 60-80 pong it was always spikes and falls

But the vert db and katana is only soft true, but he gets away with it

[meager trail]

no lol why would he do so

[meager trail]

this is what i'm wondering too, my 70ms ping gameplay definitely doesn't look like this lmao

but i don't have 200 fps stable, also i'm a much worse player than this so eh

also his repair dodges are just too good

with the change to the sheathed dodge distance i thought there's no reason to repair dodge anymore beside prevent rolling, since now the dodge distance is the same between weapon holding and sheathed
i tested it in training room and the result is if your repair motion took more than 0.2 second then your 2x consecutive dodges is the same speed with a dodge into repair into dodge

but after seeing this dude perform the repair cancel in less than 0.1 second i was flabbergasted

ig this footage just proved that 70ms is completely playable with a certain fps

now we need a good player with 60 fps and 20ms ping lol

[meager trail]

got more video of his gameplay on 55-60-70ms ping

[flat onyx]

Zade

Haven’t watched viet gameplay in a while

[meager trail]

what does this suppose to mean lmao

[flat onyx]

I wanted to see to say

Haven’t watched Vietnamese gameplay in awhile

And forgot people call tarka “thằng Lửa”

[meager trail]

lmao

😂 yeah that's true we do call him that

same with CN calling him huanan

aka ''fire dude''

[flat onyx]

Don’t know Chinese

But the literally names make sense âhhahahaha

[meager trail]

they call zai fire girl and justina ice girl

but they call valda by her name

while vietnamese call zai by her name but justina is just ''ice'' and valda is just ''water''

lol

[flat onyx]

We used to call Feria ô tô

So u understand the idea

Btw now that i play with my Russian friends

Tarka is called slipper

Ziping is Xi Zinh Pinh

Kylin Billie Jean

[compact island]

https://tenor.com/view/billie-jean-michael-jackson-the-kid-is-not-my-son-gif-15577348

[sweet oriole]

Hello guys, i'm new to the game as you can tell but i have a weird question. I don't understand the logic behind ACCA ? Like for exemple, if i take the katana, and i do lmb - CC - lmb - c.RMB - blablabla

Why does the c.RMB connect ?

and why does it not connect when i "fail" the ACCA

[undone anchor]

so,

[sweet oriole]

cause i feel like i still canceled the recovery animation

i feel like it changes frame ?

[undone anchor]

ACCA is a way or resetting the animation

[sweet oriole]

( sorry )

[undone anchor]

totally a good question, there are never stupid or bad ones, dw bout that

the way it works, is the same as doing a normal attack and dashing to repeat that same one

what you do is crouching and "decrouching" in order to cancel / reset the light attack chain back to the first attack

why you do it? main reason is that the first attack of a light attack chain has the highest stagger (normally it's the left mouse click / horizontal attack)

[meager trail]

so long and still not into the point lol

[sweet oriole]

ooooh so i just fail to cancel the animation and instead of a horizontal i do a crouched horizontal

[undone anchor]

in short if you do ACCa correctly, you can fit in two horizontal attacks before an uppercut

[sweet oriole]

and crouched horizontal cannot connect with upercut

[undone anchor]

yep, or the inputs and execution are too slow, and the stagger ends before you can connect the second hit

[undone anchor]

xactly, it has a shorter stagger

[sweet oriole]

ooooooh i get it now

[meager trail]

anyway it's not attack crouch crouch attack
it's attack - hold crouch - tap crouch - attack

[sweet oriole]

I think i was failing to recognise that the move coming out was crouch horizontal, and not standing horizontal

[undone anchor]

taking it by step. not rushing to the end 👍 . most of the times is way better to explain smth by going gradually 👍

[sweet oriole]

ok i get it, so this game is all about animation cancel i guess

Thank you very much

[undone anchor]

yes and no :thum

[sweet oriole]

Love this game

[undone anchor]

👍

combos mostly are

[undone anchor]

let's keep the entusiasm up then!

if you need anything don t hesitate to ask, we are here to help (if we can)

[sweet oriole]

Haha thanks a lot. I'm a tekken player so i try to learn all the combo

Cause combo is fun

[undone anchor]

👍

keep in mind that fps is important for combos execution, just in case 👍

same as ms

[meager trail]

i agree but it's just the way you're explaining it is so... unorganized lol

[undone anchor]

?

seemed pretty linear to me 🤔

[meager trail]

not to me

🤷‍♂️

[undone anchor]

good thing it worked out in the end then 👍

managed to get my point across in the end 😆

[sweet oriole]

yooo i landed it

Thank you

I will need some time to staple it but i got it, thjanks a lot

I was actually mashing it too fast so it was not canceling the crouched state

( sorry my english suck )

[undone anchor]

if you want variables, u can do it also with dash instead of crouch cancel, or you can also do a short hop

[undone anchor]

nah, it's super good

[sweet oriole]

Yeah i staple the dash but i want to land the tech

[undone anchor]

👍

[sweet oriole]

Execution in this game is so satisfying

Love you guys

[wicked socket]

why does spear get shafted in every way 😭

[undone anchor]

Slower animation 🤔

Spear can do grapple combos tho 🤔👍

[wicked socket]

Spear and staff are weird they're like technically congenerics but their moves don't really actually work like each other

[undone anchor]

It's mostly due to the "recent" spear rework

They modified how uppercuts work for spear

[meager trail]

tbh at this point if it works it works, if it doesn't it doesn't, don't question it

[undone anchor]

This is a good standing 🤔😂😂

[meager trail]

😂 how do you think i play this game with random trio

[undone anchor]

Pain and suffering 🤔👍

[meager trail]

it's interesting at first when you're trying stuffs to see how the game supposed to works but then when you get into real matches and most of the interactions are random ah you just kinda give up on it and just play 😂

[undone anchor]

😂😂

Solos trios when?

[wicked socket]

There's definitely still logic to it but you just gotta play and figure it out

[meager trail]

well yeah i mean just don't think too much about it if you want to enjoy the game

if you want to be a real tryhard get good ping good specs first
i don't and i won't so

[undone anchor]

Or, think a lot about it, we always appreciate discovering new things about the game 🤔👍👍👍👍

Most important thing is to have fun

[wicked socket]

Yee

[meager trail]

with the same input timing but in real matches i definitely gonna get hit all 3 times

[jade gull]

I am confusion what are you trying to show here?

[meager trail]

that i'm able to react parry pointblank ps blues in training room

[wicked socket]

am i aiming right for this?

what i doing wrong

[wise coral]

why are these different? Unless they have a soft/normal combo break ive always been able to use jabbing into uppercut, was I just too far from akos in the second one? Or is it a ping thing? Bc I rarley miss a staff/ps swap but the last hit of ps didnt touch him either.(or did the hill betray me )

[meager trail]

try grapple closer

[meager trail]

jabbing into uppercut is totally untrue

[wise coral]

define "untrue" for naraka if you can plz. 🙇‍♂️ Just confused as I do it all the time when i bait out their F first so they cant use it to escape.

even without jabbing i can 1.0 H with stafff into uppercut as long as they dont have a soft/normal break in games.

[wicked socket]

I don't think I've ever seen that combo work, does it work in training?

[wise coral]

The ps swap or the 1.0 into uppercut?

[meager trail]

untrue means on the perfect condition (the condition that the interactions working as how it supposed to work) you won't be able to hit it

[meager trail]

this is also untrue

[wicked socket]

Either

I don't think I've seen anyone else go for that lmao

[meager trail]

well the ps swap is true

[wicked socket]

Yeah to me "true" means "works consistently on the training bot"

Since that's how it's supposed to work

[meager trail]

but you cancel your backward dodge a little bit too late

[wise coral]

tbh I can usually jabbing into uppercut ps swap if they dont have a F to use. So im more confused now on what works/doesnt bc I use that all the time in games

[meager trail]

you hit jabbing into uppercut on combo bot?

[wise coral]

[meager trail]

even if you do, are you sure that the bot didn't get rubberbanded back to it?

[wicked socket]

No thats what I'm saying I don't think it is

I've never tried

[meager trail]

oh wrong reply

[wise coral]

no jabbing into uppercut on bot doesnt work but on ppl it almost always has for me

[wicked socket]

Then thats why they got out bro

[meager trail]

that's the meaning of untrue

[wicked socket]

people are stupid they don't always escape even if the combo isn't true

[meager trail]

well not really, maybe their ping/fps just doesn't allowed them to

[wicked socket]

that too but usually if you be buffering focus or skill you'll get out unless they have very high ping

[meager trail]

tbh at this point the interactions are just all over the place

it's random ah

[wise coral]

try a 1.0 staff H into uppercut with a friend in customs when they dont have combobreak I would be really surprised if it doesnt hit. I custom with ppl better than me/better ping and I hit it.

[wise coral]

[wicked socket]

They do need to fix netcode but also like

[meager trail]

still doesn't change the fact that it's untrue

[wicked socket]

yeah I'm psure this is just a skill issue on their end

[meager trail]

staff 1.5 into upper cut is true tho

[maiden jacinth]

hello there, i want to ask about double uppercut and space LMB katana combo
So.... Is this still possible to do third space lmb? I can do it only twice

[meager trail]

on flat terrain the combo is only true to 2nd jlmb

[maiden jacinth]

why some people still do this on flat terrain if the classic graple combo deal more damage

[meager trail]

because they could attempt for the untrue 3rd jlmb for more damages

[maiden jacinth]

okay thanx

[wicked socket]

Wait what

[meager trail]

wdym what

[wicked socket]

So the third j.H isn't true here,

[meager trail]

🤔 hmm
i don't remember the 3rd air lmb being true but looks like it is

[wicked socket]

Yeah I'm pretty sure it's just hard, not untrue

Doing any more on flat terrain is def noy

[meager trail]

yeah ig if you could time the jump perfectly then it's true

don't know about the fps and ping requirement tho

[wicked socket]

Fps is 120ish but thats for the relaunch after the bump, if you can hit that this should work

Seems doable on any ping

fps requirement will get lower with higher ping

[wise coral]

So personally how do you approach untrue combos in-game? Only do them when conditions seem right/you made them right, you'd go for them? Is it overall safer in the long-run to steer away from them? Ive gotten away with the that staff 1.0 H into uppercut more times than I can count, but in fairness 100% ive also got screwed by it if i mistimed their cds and for instance, get hadi grabbed or matari flashed going for the uppercut after.

[wicked socket]

I usually avoid untrue combos unless it's something like a jump attack after a knockdown that's pretty safe /not a bad options regardless

I'll also take into account how they play, if I see they're bad at the oki game for instance I'd probably be more likely to try and pull some untrue stuff out

[wise coral]

ty but respectfully was asking Tabbie as I trust his advice

[wicked socket]

All good

[undone anchor]

Untrue means that it's not a real combo

Pretty straightforward 🤔👍

[meager trail]

I'll do it if i'm fairly certain that i won't get heavily punished if it fails, but tbh the general advice is just don't abuse it.
But again if ur fps and ping arent on the good side then all kind of interaction could happens, at this point if you tested the water and it works then just go for it again until it stops working

Like you said you was able to get it to work all the way b4 but today on this match vs this akos it didnt work then dont try that on him again

[wise coral]

seems fair. I probably wont completely stop that combo since it works most of the time, but only in the correct conditions. Like forcing that on a hill wasn't a smart choice in my clip.

ty for the responses

🙇‍♂️

[zenith ravine]

how to get that good

[jade gull]

NASA pc

[wicked socket]

Messing with spear a Lil bit

[zenith ravine]

any tips for hitting the katana float?

my character goes too far infront of the opponent

[undone anchor]

Start holding "w" later

[undone anchor]

Not bad 🤔👍👍👍

Wp

[flat onyx]

You can use w and walk button

[wary escarp]

Get used to the game

[zenith ravine]

too real

[zenith ravine]

i will try this

[zenith ravine]

and also this

[torpid trellis]

theres like no incentive to do so though

[undone anchor]

How so? 🤔

[torpid trellis]

if youre a newcomer, you get matched with top players quite quick

and then you get rinsed and you dont even know what happened

you dont know what you did wrong, you dont know what you can improve

you just see your character rubberbanded despite dodging

[undone anchor]

Hence the need to improve 🤔👍

Mh

[zenith ravine]

i got the combo down

[undone anchor]

nioce!

well done

[zenith ravine]

ive been getting down weapon swaps

is it something i should fully implement in my gameplay

and ig switch to

[flat onyx]

Well you could use it

But weapon swap combo often depend on terrain

Like staff to ps or gs

So you can try it out

[undone anchor]

Weapon swap are definitely useful, learning them can help

If not for combos, things like dB swap into katana can be extremely powerful

[ember hare]

How is it possible that mid animation of an attack someone stops and counters parry ? can you do it with quick parry or what?

[undone anchor]

Prolly a ping interaction

[zenith ravine]

what terrain changes it

ik the popular swaps are db and katana

and as u said staff gs/ps

[undone anchor]

Going upwards messes up everything, as for any combo

Flat terrain is no problem, downward terrain is sometimes weird, but overall better than flat 🤔👍

If u going up, u got smaller windows and way less height on uppercut, which does not allow for combos

[wicked socket]

Wdym? Like during a focus charge you can just do that

[jade gull]

Composit parry

[ember hare]

During a normal AA

[undone anchor]

Does not stop the animation; composite works the same as quick parry for the most part ATM 🤔👍

[wicked socket]

Psure i missed up this specific video isn't a true combo but I was messing around and found this proof of concept

Every section is true on its own but I was too lazy to hit it all at once on a bot with teching on

[undone anchor]

Yep, all the way true

U can do it with valda aswell, with F1 👍👍

[wicked socket]

yeah but to do this you gotta not run burst

[undone anchor]

?

wym by burst?

[compact island]

do people have the auto camera tracking enabled with the melee assist?

or do they turn it off

[meager trail]

what's auto camera tracking?

[compact island]

in the melee assist setting, there are 3 options

off->aim assist-> aim assist + camera tracking

pretty much what it does is that the camera repositions with the melee assist direction

[meager trail]

this? it's for controller

i thought you were pc

[compact island]

I am

but I play with controller

[meager trail]

...

why

[compact island]

I have 10k+ hours of fighting game experience with controller

so its just easier for me

so I am guessing people do not use it then, if its controller only setting

cuz I gotta say I have been killed by it couple of times now

[meager trail]

i have no experience with controller so idk tbh

[compact island]

trying to escape with charge dash only to get back to the enemy

[compact island]

but without controller is not a thing?

[meager trail]

yeah

[compact island]

I mean your melee assist redirects your camera?

[meager trail]

mnk doesn't have that setting

no it just doesn't have it, you control your camera manually

[compact island]

yeah figures, setting feels like trash

well off it is

thanks

also take a better picture of your cat

[compact island]

https://tenor.com/view/sigh-homelander-the-boys-exhale-relieved-gif-15406600715060657123

poor thing

hope he takes the trashiest pic of you and use it as his PP

[wicked socket]

Burst = combo breaker

FGC term

[undone anchor]

i see

[wicked socket]

Its specifically a term from Guilty Gear, where you have a combo breaker called burst that's on its own separate cooldown

Got appropriated into just general term for combo breaker over time

I come from FGC I forget what's common term vs weird specialized term lol

[undone anchor]

i see, i see 🤔 👍

[compact island]

I mean KI did it first and it was called, Combo Breaker

https://tenor.com/view/just-saying-colin-jost-saturday-night-live-snl-nbc-gif-18789887

[wicked socket]

Ye but KI's works differently

[wicked socket]

Do you know what oki/okizeme means also btw

[undone anchor]

Nop, I'm not really connected with the fgc community 🤔👍

[wicked socket]

A useful term for naraka contexts

It's Japanese for "Wake up attack" and it basically refers to the entire wakeup game

in naraka that would be tech chasing/generally getting up

Works pretty similar to how it does in fgc

[wicked socket]

Other FGC terms you might see thrown around among people who play both:
"Gatling" another word for cancel specifically when referring to attacks, another term from GG people will say like "oh you can gatling s.H into uppercut"

"Footsies" is another word for the neutral game people like to throw around a lot (e.g "spear vertical is good for footsies")

"Anti air"/"AA" is a pretty self explanatory term but it's a pretty dead giveaway they play fgs

[undone anchor]

Tyty

[wicked socket]

Np ^^
Great site if you ever see a term you don't understand
https://glossary.infil.net/

[compact island]

who uses gatling instead of cancel, you are just confusing my boy, here

you are pretty much talking GG specifically

[naive plaza]

I was gonna say I’ve never heard anyone in naraka use those terms before 😅

And I’ve been playing since before free to play

[compact island]

I get his point, some terms can be conveyed in a more general way, but then he goes saying game specific terms as it was a general rule, at that point better call it what is called here

"oki" could apply, but even then I think "tech chase" conveys the concept in a better way

as sometimes I say "Launcher" when refering to c.V

IDK why naraka community use input terminology, that is very unpractical, since not everyone has the same inputs

so yeah in some things there are better ways to convey the concept

[meager trail]

cuz cV is shorter than ''uppercut''

we do have general term for movements that isn't input terminology though\

[compact island]

I know

I was talking about the

RMB LMB V F and all those

most people in the community use it like that

and I think its so freaking wrong

haha

like did we go decades back in gaming terminology somehow?

remapping exist since my grandma times

[meager trail]

tbf CN called lmb A and rmb B
F is skill/ability and V is ultimate, obviously

[compact island]

"obvioulsly"

https://tenor.com/view/austin-powers-sarcastic-dr-evil-gif-11700948

[meager trail]

i mean

even on league people still calling character's abilities by input terminology

and i don't see anyone got a problem with that

[compact island]

because they are LoL players

[meager trail]

i don't get it
calling movements by their actual name make you feel supreme compare to people who call it by inputs or what

[compact island]

no that is not what I mean

but let say everyone would understadn what horizontal is, no matter where he is playing

is the freaking horizontal atk

so using H is understandable and easy to convey no matter what

if you use LMB is like what?

you need to explain the person

what LMB is and why it represents

[meager trail]

well the same could be said about the H short for horizontal

you just put a H there new players also don't understand wtf is a H

[compact island]

not really is very intuitive if the person is playing the game

and even if he does not getting

you just say

horizontal

no need to get into details

[meager trail]

then you still need to explain it to him so what make it different from saying lmb?

[compact island]

most people will get H

as most people will get P

for punch in figting games

[meager trail]

you did a survey?

[compact island]

literally no one that is not using a mouse will know LMB

[meager trail]

i don't, cuz i don't play fighting games

[compact island]

oh boy

[meager trail]

so what's ur point?

[compact island]

If you were playing fighting games you would know

instead of me saying Y to someone who uses an arcade stick

go take a better pic of your cat instead

[meager trail]

compare the number of people who use a mouse and the number of people who played fighting games, pretty sure the number of people who used a computer mouse is more

[meager trail]

yeah, if
then i could say the same about the lmb rmb, IF you ever touched a mouse you would know

[compact island]

it does not matter as long as is not universal is not optimal

simple as that

[meager trail]

that's the point, your way is also not universal

[compact island]

Horizontal is Horizontal for every naraka player

the have the horizontal atk

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sorry cleaning KB

[meager trail]

ult is universal for every naraka players doesn't means that using V to call it create any problem anyway

so why not?

[compact island]

saying ult tells everyone playing, saying V says ult to KB users or people that already digged in

tabbie I thou you were a logical person

[meager trail]

i am

[compact island]

what is wrong with you?

need your morning coffee?

this is pretty straight forward point

go take a pic of your cat

that one is ugly

go away

https://tenor.com/view/leave-the-office-michael-scott-bye-steve-carell-gif-17333511

[meager trail]

with a pfp like that you have no right to call anyone's pfp ugly

https://tenor.com/view/cat-lick-conk-conky-kitty-gif-18021368

[compact island]

mine is bland, not ugly

different

https://tenor.com/view/cat-stare-gif-22341545

[wicked socket]

I hear non gg use it all the time but I was just naming terms that I hear thrown around by my friends playing this game

Also cancel is already used in naraka in the same way LOL

[wicked socket]

The devs themselves use F and V LOL

[compact island]

so it comes from the root

no wonder

[wicked socket]

Like in the s16 trailer they literally be saying "we deleted vipers f1"

[wicked socket]

I don't see the issue with it tbh

I get complaining about rmb lmb or whatever but like

F and V are easy to explain

I don't even use V for my ult I have it on mouse 5

[compact island]

its exactly the same, the problem is that is input terminology, Im not picking favorites

[wicked socket]

No like

What do you propose instead we just use the real names for every single move lmao

[compact island]

oh boy

https://tenor.com/view/leave-the-office-michael-scott-bye-steve-carell-gif-17333511

[copper canopy]

feels like i missed a lot
uhhh when did they fix the grapple combos and katana slide uppercuts?
i think it was in the game like maybe a year ago no?
sorry been busy with life
what else did they remove from the game?

[compact island]

You have a LOT to catch up to

haha

I think is only possible with tarka now?

but yeah weapon only infinites have been removed

I saw a person doing one with LS, but he had a crazy amount of FPS

[copper canopy]

i still can do double uppercut with katana with tight timing, but looks like the grapple combos are gone for good

the regular upper + grapple works tho, the sliding uppercut doesnt

[meager trail]

yeah removed

you can still do ls and dh heavenstep but it require 400+ fps or something

[compact island]

DH can also infinite with 400?

crazy stuff

[meager trail]

i think takao posted a vid about it

here

[compact island]

hahah

[copper canopy]

oh okay

whats the point removing it from katana tho

[meager trail]

part of big netcode change

[copper canopy]

also i noticed the horizontal followup after lmb release isnt a blue stance

with katana

[meager trail]

yeah that's katana change

you can continuously charging horizontal now too

[copper canopy]

anything else significantly changed?

i sorta been afk since 2023 lol

[meager trail]

with the netcode change everything changed, sorta

some stuffs is not available anymore

[copper canopy]

yeah idk why they nerfed katana tryhards

i was one of them

😦

[meager trail]

idk either

but it happened

[copper canopy]

they still differentiate cn and na markets?

[meager trail]

still

[copper canopy]

okay but did they add anything good tho

[meager trail]

ehhh

https://tenor.com/view/ninersunited-elmo-idk-i-don't-know-who-cares-gif-11214577264606578545

[compact island]

yes they did

they added this

hehe

pretty cute

she was caught in the middle of mischief

emote

[meager trail]

aside lots of cancer heroes and the netcode change that butchered high ping low fps players

more skins and gacha ig

[copper canopy]

i went afk when they released Hadi

so there are 5 new heroes hm

[meager trail]

4 of them are cancer

[copper canopy]

whats good for solo now

matari?

it feels like they didnt change much with f1v2

[meager trail]

they also in the progress of reworking heroes to 2F 2V

[meager trail]

yeah but her F2 V1 are completely new

[copper canopy]

yeah its interesting

[compact island]

tabbie he said anything good, are you trying to scare him away right when he is trying to come back

[meager trail]

i'm doing him a favor

[compact island]

hahaha

[copper canopy]

wait what this v2 does

i mean v1

ah thas for trios

[meager trail]

matari can run whatever in solo

[copper canopy]

what is this btw

dead modes?

[meager trail]

dead modes

[compact island]

did you ever try roc escort? kinda sound fun in paper

but never could catch a queue

on release

right now I do not even try

[meager trail]

i don't even play the game these day lmao

[compact island]

I see

[meager trail]

played pvp for like 30 hours this whole season

[compact island]

those are my numbers maybe 40

I play like 1 hour daily

i like the game but boy is full of crap that stop me from dedicating more time to it

[copper canopy]

ye i used to play like 10 hours a day in 2021-2022 i was like top10 in eu

damn this is cool

[meager trail]

wait until you saw the transparent effect

😂

[copper canopy]

drop da pics

damn its 1200 usd

[copper canopy]

thats like the rarest?

[meager trail]

3rd star 950+

gives transparent effect

[copper canopy]

hm

[meager trail]

anyway this is not the channel for this

go #⭐┃stars-collector

[copper canopy]

fair

[compact island]

damn she pretty much naked

[meager trail]

star skins = pay to strip skins

😂

[compact island]

literally the "Horuny on main"

naraka server does not like that word apparently

[meager trail]

[compact island]

anyways I had no idea they were so revealing

she has petals covering the bits

[meager trail]

it's the trend with recently star skins
or just female skins in general

[compact island]

haha

lies

they are butterflies

I think

they found the nectar, I guess

Its suppose to be Zai, right?

[meager trail]

yep that's zai

[compact island]

well at least they have not taken Kurumi

[rose lynx]

That is a 4 thousand dollars team outfits

[undone anchor]

Sounds fair 🤔😂😂

[sweet oriole]

Honest question do people actually buy those ?

Like who can afford that

Or is it a " ok it was designed to be earned during a tournament but you can buy it if you REALLLLY want it" ?

[undone anchor]

nop, you can only get them in loot boxes, they are limited per server

usually star skin disappear in about 1h after the patch 🤔

[jade gull]

For PC yes

Console usually takes a bit longer

[undone anchor]

Yep, also true

[jade gull]

And tbh yeah some do, some sell for decent money

[dreamy quiver]

Any tips for a starter xbox player?

[jade gull]

Don’t throw 123, learn how to abuse hyper armor (hold blue), throw yourself into fight and find a understanding of how neutral works

[undone anchor]

Try to always stay positive, don't try to jump the steps, always be trying to learning 🤔👍

[meager trail]

turn off bot fill

[flat onyx]

Always drop into hotspots

[wicked socket]

Make sure you don't spam the basic 123 combo, stop it at the 2 most of the time since the third hit can be parried

Remember that you can cancel almost any grounded action into a crouch, dash, jump, or grapple

Drop into hotspots and learn how to fight

Don't focus on combos at all you don't need them until later (and Xbox combos are weird due to 60 fps jank, you need 120 for most advanced combos so you have to do simple ones)

Have fun and don't get salty

[compact island]

also heavy weapons is 1 2, I remember the first week giving easy counter with those

[torpid trellis]

what are grapples actually based on? the camera, or the character model?

sometimes ill grapple into entirely different spots than i want to, and it seems like its either this or that depending on the situation, whichever one suits me less at the time

[meager trail]

if you're talking about this then it's just the game being dumb
to avoid this you need to align the grapple position with ur camera early

[torpid trellis]

that too, but as a whole, taking the dumbass rocks at plumed castle as an example

i spawn there, i aim straight up, the grapple crosshair agrees with me on where it goes, the grapple stops 0.5m away from me

just now i got trolled by the wuchen F wall, where i went through it, wanted to grapple onto him, but it caught on the the wall and pulled me backwards cause the wall was between the character and the camera

[meager trail]

well it's a mix of incorrect hitbox vs ingame model and grapple assist system being buggy af

[torpid trellis]

its a bit crazy to me how simple movement stuff just doesnt work in some places

like random spots you just get stuck in a jumping animation on a wall when you want to go up, or what the game considers a wall still

the easiest example to replicate of the second thing is the current skyhigh racing course with the pillars at the very beginning

[meager trail]

well, yeah

terrain bugs exists

[dim abyss]

Whats shayol f2 combo with polesword?

[undone anchor]

depends what you are looking for

easiest you can get is an uppercut from the f2 cancel

which is also pretty much the optimal option

aside from that i would imagine that there are a few swaps that are possible 🤔

[dim abyss]

hm ok i must be misremembering then

i thought there's some op combo with it

[undone anchor]

maye i dunno about it, could be 🤔

[dim abyss]

might be a swap

like 1000+ dmg

[undone anchor]

i always knew it was op because you simply had a guarantee for a polesword starter

you do already 1000+ dmg with uppercut, air horizontal air vertical i reckon, or close to it

polesword cant start combos; shayol guarantees them

[dim abyss]

oh that might be it

[undone anchor]

you can pretty much stoneform anything then use f2 and guarantee a ton of dmg that the enemy can^t guard

nor dodge

[storm heron]

Hello, good afternoon/evening. Excuse me for asking, but do you need a specific FPS rate to be able to do LMBx2>c.RMB? I stop practicing with dual weapons because I can't do that, I need to do Lmb>c.RMB to start my combos.

[undone anchor]

u never use a crouch Lmb to start a combo, on any weapon

the stagger is shorter, hence why it does not work if used as a third hit

as a rule of thumb, consider 2 hits maximum before an uppercut is what you can get

anything above that is mostly untrue

[storm heron]

Ah, but I don't start with c.LMB, I don't know if I expressed myself badly, but it would be LMB>Dodge/cancel>LMB>c.RMB and lets go combos

[undone anchor]

yep, the use of that crouch lmb is not going to lead to a combo

unless your enemy is badly lagging or has really low fps

[storm heron]

I'm also going to thank you once again for your tips, I managed to get to the solar with the tips you gave me that other time.

[undone anchor]

oh, wp!

crouch lmb for most weapons has lower stagger compared to a normal rmb, and each time u hit an enemy, they get staggered for less time

so, after 2 hits on an enemy, u usually cannot confirm an uppercut; does not matter the kind of attack 👍