🔱┃weapons-combat

[compact island]

cuz this has nothing to do with money

they just start up wrong

[summer wasp]

Eh I mean not really, visually there are clearly big improvements 😂 I do agree they have gone ABIT crazy with light reflections but as I said, it is a huge change since 10 years ago and well, system requirements are only going to keep going up so :/

[compact island]

oh welps, thanks again Vang

you found my issue

gonna play some games now

have a good night fellas

[summer wasp]

enjoy your games and hope you get some wins!

[wary escarp]

People complaint to make the devs know it can get better, a lot of people I know complaint about this game because they have hope it can get better and they love the game itself. Yes there are people complaint about non problem problem. Yes no one want to move backward, but we don't want to game move toward a dead end neither.

[wary escarp]

Goodluck

[summer wasp]

Nah I understand that, but as you said people have brought it up before and I feel like if it was as simple as fixing it they probably would of done it by now, I still feel like this game will be fine, player base seems to be getting larger again so!

[valid bane]

@summer wasp quà sự kiện ở đâu b nhỉ?

[wary escarp]

The moment we stop voicing our concern is the moment they can just sweep it under the rug. Take a look at Valve and TF2 old #saveTF2. At the same time, the game is just fine at the moment, but how can you tell what future will bring.

[wary escarp]

Quà nào bạn, sự kiện nữa?

[valid bane]

Mấy cái gậy cổ vũ ấy t thiếu mấy cái mà làm k ra =)) k nhận đc

[summer wasp]

[summer wasp]

Yeah I get it, I'm not saying that we shouldn't, I'm just saying coding games ain't that easy and I feel like they have done a pretty good job, no game is perfect and they all have their faults

[wary escarp]

Đấy tôi không tham gia. Cơ mà nếu thắc mắc gì thì hỏi ở #❓┃help với coi nhắn Tiếng Anh để được hỗ trợ nhá. Còn nói tiếng Việt không thì có gì hỏi thử ở #💬┃sảnh-chat

[valid bane]

i'm sorry i tagged you by mistake

[summer wasp]

😂 no worries brother

[wary escarp]

I agree, nothing is easy, financially and building it from the ground up. They done wonder with Naraka combat system and its visual, just the way everything run beneath is a mess. The game already quite niche, a lot of people will find the complexity of the game bothersome to learn (This is not advantage, this game NEED complexity), and some who find this game enjoyable got discourage just because their PC is not able to run this game fluidly is pain. I have a group of friends who move away from Naraka just because how bad it affected by FPS and Ping

[summer wasp]

Yeah as I said I can't really comment on that front as gaming is my main hobby and passion so I have always had a pretty up to date pc or built a pc that I know will last for the next 5 years or so, but yeah it is a struggle but I love the game, I'm a very competitive person when it comes to games and love the in-depth side of things so

[onyx loom]

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[naive plaza]

i just dont know why an fps cap hasnt been introduced as a bandaid at leastt

cap frames at 240, no more 300-400fps shenanigans

also as for pc specs, i had an i7 12700k with a 3070 and couldnt keep 60-80fps in trios, so even solid pcs struggle esp intel builds

[compact island]

240 is a bit too high still, very few people can get that high

so Im done with the games

and it did feel different

now I have a question

what about xbox/PS players?

they just can't do the combos?

or can they play at 120 too

[summer wasp]

Hmm, is that on max settings though? If you were playing lower settings that seems a bit iffy to be only getting 60-80, I run my game on max besides shadows because well, way too system intensive for no reason in any game and in trios I get a pretty stable 140-150 and solo and duo I stay above 200-240 most of the time and my specs aren't that much higher really with a i9 13900k and 3090, big difference but not enough to be that large FPS really

[summer wasp]

I'm not 100% sure what the specs for the game on console are but obviously ps5 and Xbox series x have the capacity to play games at 120, but I have seen videos of some console players doing pretty advanced combos so I guess it can be done, but maybe they have overclocked their systems 🤷‍♂️

[naive plaza]

no it was on all low xD the game isnt built for the low l2 l3 cache size intel has in comparison to amd

[naive plaza]

i mainly said 240 since 240hgz monitors are becoming the new norm refresh rate for gaming monitors, up from the previously common 144hz

[summer wasp]

That's weird, maybe the gap in-between our parts really is that big of a difference :/ cause yeah I'm intel always have been and I've had no FPS problems at naraka at all even in some of the complete chaos endgame in trios where abilities are flying everywhere

[naive plaza]

also the difference between someone on 144 and 240 is less felt compared to people on 100-140 and those on 300+fps

[naive plaza]

its the l2 l3 cache like i said, the game eats hard into those parts of the cpu and even though my intel cpu wasnt bad it couldnt run naraka properly, once i went to amd i instantly got 300-400fps in duos, 200-300 in trios. literally instantly tripled my fps essentially

cpu hog of a game

the optimization leaves a ton to be desired in general though

[summer wasp]

Yeah I hear ya, just as I said I haven't had any problems FPS wise on my i9 and I run it on max, haven't even tried to see how much FPS I can squeeze if I go full potato graphics

[naive plaza]

you want fps in this game you grab a 7800x3d and laugh at how it instantly triples your frames xD

[summer wasp]

Nah I honestly can't stand amd builds 😂 hot take but intel has never failed me so il stick with them till they do

I get 240 in solos and duos on max right now and that's mainly what I play as I'm friendless when it comes to naraka so

[compact island]

Yeah the cache area just got destroyed by amd of late

wondering what approach will intel take, for gaming

will they buy studios to not support amd again I wonder

🤔

[naive plaza]

intel needs to stop their cpus from degrading before they do anything else

one of my friends has had 2 faulty cpus from them in less than 2yrs

[compact island]

well their approach is interesting, but yeah I guess it just not happening

[naive plaza]

13 or 14th series i forget which one exactly

[compact island]

I mean it could be just bad luck too

less than 2 years is crazy

I doubt thats the avg

[summer wasp]

Yeah I mean my 13900 still works fine and I have a i7-8700k that still works fine in an old build too 😂

[compact island]

also this is not related to weapon combat so we should stop

haha

[summer wasp]

And that shit is like 6 years old

We are combatting intel Vs AMD, pretty much weapon combat

[viscid kelp]

I mean ngl the most recent intel CPUs are a step in the right direction
They are more efficient and as far as I know have no reliability/QC issues like the 13th and 14th gen

They're just not great value, esp given how hard X3D CPUs clown them in games

And intel will forever be a no-go for me due to forcing you to upgrade your mobo every 2 CPU generations

That's just unnecessary, anti-consumer bullshit

[livid tiger]

wtf😂 😂

[livid tiger]

I'm coming from Battle Royale FPS Shooters.. this whole thing about fps affecting ur combo just added another layer of depth to Narakas combat mechanics for me but it is very interesting

[meager trail]

lol no

there's nothing ''interesting'' about it

it's sht

[livid tiger]

I understand 😄

It also means that I will prob never be able to compete as I have an old pc setup with 60fps max lol 😄

[meager trail]

yeah

if you got 60 fps max you're fked

below 60 the game just refuse to read your inputs

[livid tiger]

is there a way to see my fps in game? cuz actually I might be able to have higher fps but in the settings I had limited it to 60

[meager trail]

no, you can just use nvidia overlay or msi afterburner osd though
also why did you limited your fps to 60?

[livid tiger]

I thought it would increase the performance

sorry total noob here😂

[viscid kelp]

Framerate affecting animation speed (and some consequences of that) are just a quirk of the game engine Naraka is using
It's actually something that harms the experience of the player, given how two people with different framerates might experience things very differently

Limiting framerate doesn't aid performance in any way, it just allows your PC components (namely CPU and GPU) to work slightly less hard

[austere obsidian]

What FPS should you aim for? I'm waiting for the 9800x3d to become not fully scalper priced (which could take some time 😄 ) and am still on a i7 6700K. My FPS are around 80 atm

[viscid kelp]

As high as possible
There is a significant difference between 60 and 100, and yet another significant difference between 100 and 200+

Over 300fps some people report micro stutters, so that's the "goal" you should look for

[austere obsidian]

That's good to know, thank you. I will dive into the settings again and try to gain some more FPS

[viscid kelp]

Oh btw since I see the German role on you, check Mindfactory. I ordered a 9800X3D off them for 560€ on december 7th. Allegedly it should ship by the end of december
Still very expensive, and in a year it'll probably cost like 400€, but it's better than those 700€ ebay listings

[austere obsidian]

Haha just went to their page to check again. I might just do that, I rarely upgrade and this would at least last for a long time. Just gotta read into motherboards again 😄

[viscid kelp]

Same idea here, spending a bit more money to have a strong PC for the next 5-8yrs
In terms of motherboards I've made positive experiences with Gigabyte. I think a B650 chipset is alr enough if you're being budget conscious, but older motherboards might have an outdated BIOS that only supports Ryzen 7000 and not 9000, so that's worth keeping in mind I think

[austere obsidian]

Yeah I upgraded a lot of things in the last years like keyboard, headphones and smartphone but my poor PC got left behind somehow. I feel it by now though in more and more games. Got a 6800XT GPU last year cause my old one died so I was forced to "upgrade" and now the CPU limits it all 😄

Thanks, I will keep that in mind! Indeed I don't need Wifi or anything on the board, better invest that money into RAM and gotta check for my CPU cooler if it can be used on AM5. I saw some brands send new holding brackets (?) for free

[merry crypt]

WHERE DA F*K U GOT THOSE EXTREME EQUIPMENT?

[viscid kelp]

Yeah, especially quality brands such as Noctua or BeQuiet usually ship mounting brackets for their older coolers to fit onto AM5 or LGA1700

[austere obsidian]

Yep got a BeQuiet

[viscid kelp]

Nice, should work out then
As far as I know, BeQuiet has an extra form you can fill out to request these things

[livid tiger]

ok guys so actually my monitor is only 60Hz, so it doesn't really change anything if I put my FPS limit above 60 right? xD

[meager trail]

it does
also, wrong channel

[livid tiger]

oh okay lol. Well the question was related to the whole combat-combo-fps thing earlier so thats why I asked here. I assume the help channel would be the correct channel otherwise?

[meager trail]

yeah

[topaz knot]

Do people have preferences between what weapons they use or avoid (like, do weapons have specific playstyles or something of the sort)? Also, should I try to get good at like 1-2 weapons?

[meager trail]

yes and yes

[topaz knot]

How would I go about picking those weapons and how do I know what playstyle each one has? I mainly use the longsword (because I was told it's easy to pick up and use) and the katana, but I heard the latter isn't that great now.

[meager trail]

try them yourself

[topaz knot]

Okay

[naive plaza]

@topaz knot there are definitely meta weapons or ones considered stronger than others but you can make anything work honestly. As for weapon play styles, things like nunchucks, and dual weapons typically have “fast” playstyles. You want to overwhelm your opponent with attacks and constant pressure as well as good tech chase (esp on nunnies). Comparing those to something like spear/staff that have slower attack animations but longer reach. Spear and staff are good for playing a bit more spaced out with the added pressure of the precise release into dragonslayer or staff 2.0 (I forget what the staff one is called sorry). Dagger and fan are high mobility weapons, and they don’t really have many standard combos since neither can confirm an uppercut off a horizontal or vertical attack landing, but do have a few simple attack strings (hori, crouch hori, vertical). So if you don’t like a combo heavy playstyle you might enjoy those

Heavy swords are the slowest in the game naturally but hit like a truck. Heavy swords are very big mind game weapons. A lot of hold checking & trying to make your opponent constantly guess if you’re going to release or not since they can be charged to 3.0

[meager trail]

and don't forget that stoneforms, one of the most if not the most annoying weapon mechanic in the game
you really don't want to face a ps user who know how to utilize the stoneforms

[livid tiger]

what about swords? katana, longsword, heng sword what are their strengths?

[naive plaza]

katana is considered to be on the weaker side of weapons in general, it was a combo weapon though, some of its combos have been removed.

hengsword has a feint/dodge out of its focus state that is good for mind games/spacing and the feint doesnt cost stamina

longsword is a super fun combo weapon imo, long ranged focus attacks and several different combos and very fun/strong jades imo

[cinder thorn]

katana might be the least relevant weapon in the game it's kinda sad

both spear and greatsword got substantial buffs that left them far more usable in place of staff and ps than they were before but heng sword still way stronger than katana

[naive plaza]

its definitely been overshadowed by the new weapons and weapon reworks yeah

[final basin]

How good are dual hellebardes ?

[flat onyx]

Very fun

[final basin]

Yeah but are they strong ?

I love to play them

[flat onyx]

Pretty strong if you ask me

Love to use them

[flat onyx]

Especially with Akos v2 f2

[final basin]

Don’t play him

Maining sai and lyam

[flat onyx]

Zai is op on her own

But you can do a lot of fun with lyam

[undone anchor]

they work on any hero dw

all weapons do

DH are good

[compact island]

any drills recommended for training?

[undone anchor]

depends, training what specifically?

[compact island]

Well I suck at everything pretty much, so anything

and I do not mean combos

Whiff punish maybe is what I need the most

[undone anchor]

whiff punish is hard

how is your mouvement so far?

[compact island]

for translation is decent, I can do the hop and the charge cancel no issues also air walking

[undone anchor]

what about scalerushing?

[compact island]

I rarely mess those up

[undone anchor]

difference between tap and hold dodge?

[compact island]

yes I got that too

scalerushing?

the wall jump?

[undone anchor]

the wall dash yeah

i would recommend getting comfortable doing them quick and how you want them

they are really improtant when fighting in buildings or running away

[compact island]

that is the one I mess up more, having a hard time identifiying when the char is touching the wall

[undone anchor]

since they are the quickest way to move short distances

[compact island]

but those I know how to practice

[undone anchor]

try, when in game, to dash off all structures u find

[compact island]

I am more interested in fighting drills

[undone anchor]

also, best would be to learn how to charge immediately

[undone anchor]

there are not really fighting drills

mostly you learn by experience and fighting people

for combos is repetition against the bot

[compact island]

Yeah combos is good now that I unlocked the 60 cap

[undone anchor]

u can also set the bot to attack you in specific patterns if you want to train against smth specific

good

[compact island]

so no drills combat movement?

I really need the whiff punishing to happen

haha

[undone anchor]

need to practice and time it correctly

just repeat it each time you fight

[compact island]

thing is, fights in naraka happen so sparely between matches

it will take me a LOT of time to learn that way

[undone anchor]

best hint is to play in custom room

3 bans

so it's only pure and simple fighting without any ability

[compact island]

damn, so no really no drills for that?

[undone anchor]

nop

hard to replicate a player mouvement and habits by simply slashing the air 🤔

or a bot

u need to get the feel of players and adapt to their habits to fight them

[compact island]

Yeah I understand the gist of neutral game and pattern recognition the thing is

[undone anchor]

there is not a solution that always works against everyone, just commmon habits and probability of them doing a specific thing

[compact island]

even if I know they gonna normal atk, so what if I cannot punish it

[undone anchor]

then you need to do it over and over again

[compact island]

the most I can do right now is charge tank it

[undone anchor]

and that's good

u dont always need to combo them

u can kill them full blue if they are stuck in an animation

[compact island]

but is risky, because if they don't cancel I eat the charge

[undone anchor]

clash 🤔

or, dodge badk

back*

[compact island]

yes that

I see they dodge my atks and then whiff punish me

I wanna do that

really hard to learn that in the middle of a fight

[undone anchor]

that's a matter of timing

if you have the initiative, you are the first one to dodge, while the other will react to you dodging, meaning they are slightly late

so the attack of the one that dashed first is going to hit when the 2nd that dashed is still stcuk in the dash animation (end frames)

it s smth that you can't always do for certain

[meager trail]

but if they predicted your dodge then they will catch you at the end of your dodge

[undone anchor]

yep

exactly

the first one to dodge has the advantage, always

[meager trail]

well just keep in mind that blue release is always a risk

[undone anchor]

if the other does not release and they cant parry

[undone anchor]

yep

[meager trail]

parry is also a risk

dodge by far is the safest option

[undone anchor]

always

[meager trail]

plus you can transfer the hold dodge into a parry

a dodge parry

works immediately

no delay

[compact island]

I understand that, thats why I want to train that dodge and whiff punish, I also understand that is not absolute, but I was thinking there could be a way to get a bot help me with that

[meager trail]

nah

bots read your inputs

[compact island]

I do not mean fighting a bot

I mean repeat a motion

[meager trail]

there isn't really a way but to play alot

[compact island]

but Eranicks just told me there is not

which is kinda sad

[compact island]

yes ofc, but with drills you could diminish that time

[meager trail]

i mean every moves you make there's a risk you have to take

with enough experience you'll know what's the least risky move to do

in a certain situation

[compact island]

Is not that I don't or do know

is that even if I know

I cannot pull it of

hands needs to get use to it

[meager trail]

watch more high level gameplay and practice more

it's just that

[meager trail]

yeah that's the hard part

[compact island]

I know I have to practice that is what I was asking

just fight more is not the answer I wanted to get

but oh wells

[meager trail]

well that's the only answer you gonna get

or well you can get a coach

who's able to point out your mistakes

[compact island]

Is not about that, I repeat I just want to get the motions

[meager trail]

yeah i get it

you asked if there's a drill, you got the answer which is there is no drill

so

[compact island]

yeah

thats the sad part

learning will be freaking slow then

https://tenor.com/view/but-i’m-not-original-gif-4077672862622552877

Or maybe just maybe

if there is no drill

https://tenor.com/view/do-it-myself-iwilldoitmyself-gif-5018673

[flat onyx]

What? How?

[undone anchor]

U can start charging a scalerush the frame you get on a wall / vertical surface

Or start one by sliding off an edge also 🤔

It's all matter of timing

[flat onyx]

Oh, okay

I thought there was some secret mechanic

[flat onyx]

I found out how op it was only after watching j cup and one random guy in my trio team

[flat onyx]

Maybe try immortal wars or some bloodbath for pure combat?

[undone anchor]

Iw is bad for combat experience

Too many tryhards, u get beaten up without room to do anything

And need at least plat to access it

Bloodbath works better 👍🤔

[flat onyx]

There’s also that game mode in casual, that is similar to immortal wars

But I think it’s trio only

[undone anchor]

i dont recall; been a while since i played a casual game mode 😅

[wary escarp]

Whiff punish for this game is pretty hard, maybe in this game equivalent of whiff punish is like an armor through attack to combo

[compact island]

I got in a couple of those and yes I would like to play that more, but nobody seems to like it, I most time go over the queue time 25+ mins and nothing, is dead in NA, someone told me it just fills up at the start

[compact island]

Yes, I ve notice, thats why I was looking something to practice, cuz I know is possible, people have done it too me, is pretty smooth

[compact island]

I am empryrial in solos and duos

not that I deserve it, I barely have won a game since plat

but they keep ranking you up with those overkill matchmaking 400+

I just need to get in top 5 and kill 1 to get a lot of exp

[cinder thorn]

whiff punishing is the safest way to counter dual weapons and others with lingering focus attacks

but yeah i agree it's really difficult for normal animations since everything in this game very quick with low recovery

[wary escarp]

There is an option in training room, it called Custom training in which you can choose the action of the bot. It is pretty bad but you can put the bot on doing an action and then tap dodge out, it will dodge out as soon as possible

[compact island]

Yeah im gonna play with it, see what I can do

one thing that bothers me a lot or maybe I am dumb and I am not seeing it

training mode has a freaking short cut for swapping chars

but not a shortcut for reset?

what kind of priority dissorder is this

[wary escarp]

My source of insanity too

[compact island]

This game, I tell ya

[compact island]

The staff combo that is pinned still works? I know it says the final hit is soft but I cannot get the previous one either

c.H

[undone anchor]

which one?

the 1-2 after uppercut?

yes, it's still doable

all combos pinned here are working

the big change was 1 year ago, with netcode changes, but only 2 major combos got patched out (namely the ones that were insanely hard, but that were ToD without any ability from the hero)

[compact island]

ToD?

[undone anchor]

touch of death

[compact island]

H>cV>H>V>cH>H

[undone anchor]

smth like this

where the enemy is stunned till he's dead

[undone anchor]

yeah, that one is fully true

bit easier with spear if you want

[compact island]

https://tenor.com/view/the-simpsons-he-is-already-dead-stop-gif-5552043

[compact island]

damn, okay maybe Im not doing the H as soon as I land

[undone anchor]

this is another tod for example if you want

[compact island]

no crazy FPS needed?

[undone anchor]

u pressing w?

[undone anchor]

nop

[compact island]

yeah that thing I did figure out, without it you cannot land H after landing

[undone anchor]

the crouch horizontal is the soft true part of the combo

u can get till the 1-2 usually

the rest depends on the enemy and your fps

plus your execution clearly

[compact island]

oh well, that cH is the one Im not getting

one time against wall only

but the comment said the last is soft true

and he goes for another hit after cH

so it confused me

[undone anchor]

technically that last hit is true, but it becomes soft true under a certain amount of fps from what i understood

the cH i mean

[compact island]

I see

[undone anchor]

there are not many cases where you want to commit to that cH tho imo

[compact island]

well I can do every not soft/crazyfps req combo from there now

where can I check more advanced ones?

[undone anchor]

there are no crazy fps req combo in that video 🤔

all of those are doable

[compact island]

well you say cH from staff requires high FPS

[undone anchor]

try to start working on double uppercuts now 🤔

[undone anchor]

not high

just around 120 i would saY?

[compact island]

I am not sure if Im hitting 120

[undone anchor]

on 100 is not ocnsistent

and i play there, so i can only guess from experience

[outer phoenix]

dude

[compact island]

yeah I got it a couple of times only

[outer phoenix]

trust me

i can do that

with <60 fps

my pc sucks

[compact island]

the staff cH one? can you send video

[outer phoenix]

no

and not always succesful

but its possible

[undone anchor]

not consistent 👍

as i was saying 👍

[outer phoenix]

bruh

im not even close to my pc

im outside

and my pc sucks that it cant even record

[compact island]

🙄

[outer phoenix]

lol

believe it or not

[compact island]

where can I see this?

[undone anchor]

here is an example

[compact island]

and with hengsword, one of my favs so far

okay I got homework for tomorrow then

thanks

[undone anchor]

heng sword, katana, spear

those can double uppercut

plus LS clearly

[compact island]

all of them after a grapple im guessing?

[undone anchor]

or else there are things like this

[undone anchor]

yes, except the one listed here above, which exploits a swap

but you normally always want a bump; it's a lot of dmg (around 400)

[compact island]

why would I sacrifice that much damage then?

terrain?

[undone anchor]

usually terrain

or you need to adapt if you see that the bump isnt high enough

there are some extenders, some ways to work around that

but baseline, if the bump is too low sometimes you can still do the focus attack, while the uppercut wont always work

[compact island]

ah yeah, need a bit of time before see that kind of details

[wary escarp]

FPS needed nontheless

[compact island]

Yeah the "Normal" ones that need over 80 I already did them, getting them more and more consistently now

[wary escarp]

Most of the ToD combo right now will require you to give up your combo breaker...

[compact island]

You do not need it if they are dead

[wary escarp]

Same way around, if someone got the upperhand, you are dead

[compact island]

they should not exist IMO

60% would be my hard limit

[wary escarp]

Also for the matter of staff combo you mentioned before, I haven't able to pull it off with around 90FPS before, however after spear update, the spear grapple is pretty much more consistent

[compact island]

at least win neutral twice

[compact island]

Yeah Eranicks mentioned you need to get as close to 120 as possible to get it

[wary escarp]

I understand where you coming from, however to be able to pull off a ToD in Naraka right now is pretty unthinkable, you need to spend so much resource after winning neutral and pray that opponent didn't bring a combo breaker

[wary escarp]

Spear is easier

Also I went for H-cV-H-H-cH rather than H-cV-H-V-cH

[compact island]

Thing is I am not very fond of spear, since it has no mobility option

but Ill try it out tomorrow none the less

[wary escarp]

Goodluck to you

[undone anchor]

managed to hit it in a game

bot game, but still in a game and not practice 😆

[compact island]

If it putting some kind of resistance definitely counts as improvement

blue armor deleted

related question

can someone tell me the armor numbers

im thinking something along 500 700 1200 and 1500

source trust me bro

I base these numbers knowing chars base HP is 1k

[undone anchor]

That's dangerous

Hp change with jades

[compact island]

Yeah I know

[undone anchor]

Naraka released a patch notong ago tho, where they said the numbers for armor

But consider that usually with 3.2k dmg u can kill someone with gold armor

3.5k I reckon is the max with no jades , on red armor

[compact island]

damn so it has 2k?

for gold

let me look the patch notes

[undone anchor]

Smth around there

[compact island]

Armors from gray to gold are: 500/750/1000/1250

https://tenor.com/view/andy-bernard-the-office-nailed-gif-23399692

[undone anchor]

👍

[compact island]

🤔

It does not add on tho

with 2 powders you do not fully restore a purple armor

my numbers make more sense

maybe these are old

[undone anchor]

Or, armor powder heals less?

No idea

I can test a bit if you want, when I get home

[compact island]

no, because the powder does specify how much it heals in game

[undone anchor]

I see

[compact island]

unless they are lying

[undone anchor]

U need 3 for gold armor

[undone anchor]

No idea

[wary escarp]

The bar on armor is 300 each if I'm not mistaken

[viscid kelp]

Those are the outdated numbers

1 bar of armor equals 300 now, as Vang mentioned, which means grey to red are 600, 900, 1200, 1500, 1800

A full HP bar is the value of an old purple armor, or exactly 1000HP

So 2800dmg+ is a ToD on red armor if you ignore jades, fruits and other (de-)buffs

[undone anchor]

[worn wolf]

i have been lead astray by the wiki all along

[viscid kelp]

The old Naraka wiki is outdated and it says as much on the front page
Some of its info is still really good, but especially character/weapon/item data is likely outdated

For example, if I recall correctly, Tessa was one of if not the first character rework, reducing her to 2 Fs and 2 Vs
The old wiki still lists the old abilities

[worn wolf]

correct me if i am wrong, but it doesn't show characters and abilities descriptions on the new site?

and not the armor either, even though the site is much better

[viscid kelp]

Yes, the new site is not as abundantly informative
I could ask the creator of the wiki, but I assume they ultimately stopped maintaining all the info because it became too much work, and maybe also because they don't play the game as much anymore

It's not official by Naraka, it's a passion project of some players

[compact island]

so nailed it for the last two then

and do you know why that wiki stop updating?

is so good

better than the "Official"

[compact island]

nvm, you already answered

welp, sadness

how did they get the numbers I wonder, file ripping?

[wary escarp]

They mentioned it on patch note. At the same time some mad man decided to just testing out number by purely testing out with number damage using different weapon and tier of weapon

[compact island]

I see, so he confirmed those numbers, are they still the same?

for weapons

we know it changed for armor

now

[thick umbra]

ok spent 2 hours analyzing why i cant do 211 on 62 ping on the bot when i could before (and its like 60/40 on playes depending on their ping) and figured out why

before netcode was "attacking player priority" which is why you can chain stagger people on high ping (which I agree was bs), now they remove that and always set priority on the rollback for the player with lower ms. Cross checked my client side 211 frames with clips from 24ms players who do 211 properly, on 60fps from the recording it took me 94 frames from uppercut contact to blue contact. Which is approximately the time for other people 211 as well (one guy i saw did it in 95 frames, nonoscryb tutorial he did it in 96 frames), so client side i am doing 211 properly

but if the other player has lower ping and they just spam dodge roll, and the frame is tight (which full charged 211 is), netcode just straight up roll back and put their dodge in priority over my blue contact frames

sucks :/

you can frame perfect 211 but a 3 (on 60fps) to 10 (on 240fps which a lot of competitive players are roughly on) frame difference due to ping could just cause netcode rollback on your blue contact frames and take over

[stray mason]

Literally a guy infinite me with LS vertical crouch vertical just because of this stupidity of lower ping prio

Shitty update tbh

[thick umbra]

yeah, spent a ton of time testing and it seems to be a combination of both frames and fps. Before with attacking player priority they set a buffer on the attacker for a certain amount of frames post stagger, according to their ping for the rollback to choose them, not the defender. Now they made everything work the way it supposed to (good or bad depends on your ping, but this is the way netcode was supposed to work even if im negatively affected by it). Frames are still the deciding factor on the rollback, but ping and fps multiplicatively create the buffer for the lower ping player, so for example if an attack has 4 contact frames before it register and the given stagger time ran out, and the other player has 300 fps, they just need a 13 ping difference to dodge out of the attack, but a player with 100fps will need a 40ping difference

[stray mason]

There's no reason to 24E to solve this right? i mean in CN everyone has low ping so FPS could be at least a minimal problem, but in NA and the whole american continent is a HUGE advantage fr

[thick umbra]

we dont have active frame data in naraka so i cant say with certainty, and this would be a very drastic change and could slow the game down, but what they could do is FPS lock + increase active frame time (the amount of frames an attack stays registering to catch over ping difference). A 20 active frame attack on 240fps lock for a 240fps player would mean they need 80ms difference for the system to prioritize their dodge assuming the attacking player hit first. From my past experiences and how easy it is to dodge out of attacks with 40ms+ difference i think the game has active frames of attacks at around 4-10 active frames per attack.

The hit confirm itself will still be based on server ticks and lower ping priority

just longer frames client side

higher active frame would make the game slower since you can get caught in more attacks and cant react dodge more attacks, since they will over come the ping difference and catch you on that before your iframes go off, so that would even the playing field in the 20-100ms bracket, and if you have more than 80ms over the other player you would still get dodged out anyways, so no infinite stagger

but you need to fps lock to cap the upper bound as well, so people cant just stack fps to lower the ping difference level

[stray mason]

Sure FPS lock will help consoles too, idk why this isn't a thing tbh, i really hope fps lock will appear sometime in 2025 just to help those users with low fps and high ping issues. It is really sad to look to xbox/ps users to do the best they can and still not be able to fight 300FPS 20ms PC players

Even some pc users has 60 to 80 ms or so and suffer this a lot

[jade gull]

Console cant hardly compete against most confident pc players because they can turn blue before we can put an input in to attack

I try fighting my chamber mate and he’s running 400fps 30ms , I can get some attacks in every now and then but for every attack I do he’s already hit me with a 12 spam combo

[undone anchor]

Can't shove it all on FPS tho

I play at 60-75 FPS and I can manage against 300+ 🤔🤷🏻‍♂️

U just need to adapt and play smarter

The major problem with FPS is combos; some ain't aviable under a certain amount of FPS

But the animation speed is less than 1/20 per 100 fps , depending on the case

Another problem could be reaction time dodges, since they are smoother

But then again u can observe and adapt

[compact island]

Im gonna have to disagree here

[jade gull]

I give him a decent fight it just I notice things I can’t replicate on console due to its limitations, blue before I can attack/ set up a stun, he’s hitting me with blue faster than my controller can react, I feel the parry button press but it never comes out

[compact island]

you can say whatever you want about "If you are good you will win"

It is a fact you are fihgting at a disadvantage meaning that an equal level player has more chances to win than you

no matter how you try to put it

yeah you can argue, that if you are waaay better than the other player you still can rekt him at 30 FPS

but the fact is the damage difference between the two players is huge just because FPS

unless you agree to not use certain combos

or something like that

[jade gull]

cough cough PC dual blades and halbert 123 combos

[compact island]

Haha, I come from fighting games and there is this constant BS of "Just because delay you win blablabla" Now that is BS a couple of frame of delay that you opponent has too will not make a huge impact, but here we are talking that you are literally playing a nerfed character vs a fully fledged one even if its the same

Its ridiculous

naraka 2 when, or any studio that want to take on the challenge

this game is very unique

I would have dropped it after learning that if there was another option tbh

[compact island]

unrelated question

now that I am trying to actually do combos in the fights

how do you proper punish, jumpcrazy players?

I know they are pretty much giving you a free punch but I do not seem to get anything from it, just a hard knockdown

[final basin]

So when I parry the enemy they loose their weapon?

With what button do I parry ?

Left and right click ?

[wary escarp]

If you playing on PC, it should be both mouse button at same time or G to parry

However I recommending you playing tutorial

You can ONLY parry blue focus attacks, not other attack

[final basin]

Okay thank you

[undone anchor]

That's not a combo 🤔

[cinder thorn]

generally jump horisontal attacks are good

if sort of kills your combo potential but at the same time their spacing gets ruined and you can charge focus while they can't do anything

[wary escarp]

tbh, if they are jumping because they have general idea how to dealing with certain non vertical focus (attack that have no vertical reach) and using it to parry then it is about mind game. Otherwise dealing with jumper you can float them with most vertical -> 123. If they like to spam jump attack, focus tanking -> punish is my best suggestion

[undone anchor]

Uppercut them 🤔😂

They suffer that a lot

[compact island]

Uppercut launche them high even while jumping? like I can juggle after that?

[compact island]

123 you mean autocombo? cannot they parry?

[compact island]

yeah it does, I was looking if there was a way to get more damage, I mean after all randomly jumping should not be a good idea IMO

[cinder thorn]

restand skills can initiate combos if people are knocked down

[wary escarp]

For the jumping opponent, if you catch them with a vertical, they will get knockback, certain weapon like spear, staff, LS, PS, GS can combo 123 off your opponent jumping without purpose

[cinder thorn]

i don't remember off the top of my head which can hit people on the ground but viper f2 into slide vertical works

[wary escarp]

I think I respond the to wrong message

nvm, I just losing my mind

[compact island]

haha

okay I guess Ill try that

[cinder thorn]

shayol f2 hits people on the ground too idk if you can slide vertical if you cancel the second shield hit

[wary escarp]

You can combo off F2 Shayol tho

[compact island]

I use tessa normally in solos sometimes cyra

[wary escarp]

Slide uppercut is possible

[cinder thorn]

yeah i assumed so just didnt know for sure

[undone anchor]

Yes

[cinder thorn]

(i play combo break on most characters because my neutral is mid)

[wary escarp]

I just hold focus to be safe lol, during air time, they have nothing to deal with blue focus

[undone anchor]

Viper f2 is a rest and, yeah 🤔👍

[compact island]

Nice

[undone anchor]

Technically bow headshot too

[wary escarp]

A lot of people panic parry and that's my signal to give them a combo

[compact island]

Okay, thanks guys, I have many options to try now

[undone anchor]

But really tight

[undone anchor]

Safest option yeah

[wary escarp]

But I prone to just let them almost grapple away if I'm not reacting to them jump on my head and grapple away

However, I'm not that old yet

[wary escarp]

It's an option you will almost always win, the only situation you lose is when you release focus when you shouldn't

[undone anchor]

[compact island]

Oh I did tried the combo with spear, you do not even need to press W after launcher, its just waay easier

[undone anchor]

Or overhold and releases automatically

[undone anchor]

Yep, told that yesterday 😂👍

[wary escarp]

Yeah, after spear update, the knockback is significantly reduce on the uppercut, which help its combo

[compact island]

the reason I drop it is because she advances too much

I think I have to press back now?

haha

[wary escarp]

Sadly that's not an option

[compact island]

So what to do so she does not go over?

wait a bit?

[undone anchor]

?

Wym?

[wary escarp]

I think you will want to post a clip

[compact island]

Yeah if I keep just pressing the sequence

the bot goes over tessa

like she advances too much

even without pressing W

but I think I got it

just have to wait a bit

[wary escarp]

Either that or you can try grapple

Yes, grapple works with spear

[compact island]

I get a charge atkk?

[undone anchor]

u can with current spear

[wary escarp]

Only on high fps

[undone anchor]

it's really tight tho

100 it works

but only on players

[wary escarp]

I stick with the H-H-cH for the damage

[compact island]

yeah I am not getting it on the bot

[wary escarp]

@compact island in this clip I can precise spear charge when enemy stuck in F1 Valda but I forgor

[undone anchor]

i got ur back 👍

[wary escarp]

But as you can see, grapple -> H-H-cH help you adjust the position while dealing more damage

Not much but any help

[compact island]

Ah yeah that I can land on the bot

[undone anchor]

(bot in the clip is deactivated; didnt have the hang of the grapple yet)

[compact island]

I m no valda tho

[wary escarp]

then ignore that part

[compact island]

does that work with staff?

[wary escarp]

the grapple ->H-H-cH is what I mainly want to show you, I kinda just... find the most convenient video to show

[compact island]

or spear only?

[undone anchor]

what?

[wary escarp]

Nope...

[undone anchor]

the focus?

only spear

[wary escarp]

No, the grapple I think

[compact island]

Yes that I got very consistent

[undone anchor]

staff should not work, no

[wary escarp]

We are not talking about the combo with Valda, mostly about spear combo

[compact island]

okay we are getting mixed message

[undone anchor]

yep, solely the spear part 👍

[compact island]

yeah I know Vang combo only works on spear I am getting it now

but the one with the golden focus, does that one work on staff?

[wary escarp]

Staff uppercut is different from spear uppercut since the last update, which improve spear combo but not staff

Gold focus into combo? or the Valda F1 -> gold focus?

[compact island]

this

he does precise charge

into gold focus

[undone anchor]

gold focus? where?

(that's me doing the combo for context 😆 )

[wary escarp]

Both spear and staff precise go into gold focus when it landed on opponent

[compact island]

I know

[undone anchor]

ahhhh that part u mean

[compact island]

that is why Im asking

if that works on staff too

[undone anchor]

the chain?

it will go purple for staff

after the first 2 hits

[wary escarp]

If you talking about combo off staff precise, then no

[compact island]

Oh I see

[wary escarp]

You can do some wackery back when spear staff combo can ToD

[undone anchor]

u can still do some tod with staff

[wary escarp]

Now it is not really worth it to cancel the staff precise focus

[undone anchor]

like the 123 one on grapple

[compact island]

damn is a lot of damage if I do the combo with the precise charge

Im getting 1880

[wary escarp]

Talking about combo off staff precise focus

[compact island]

with no bubles

[undone anchor]

oh, i see

[wary escarp]

You can still consider cancel it if you have restand ability

[compact island]

so with staff is not worth it

[wary escarp]

But tbh you don't need to

[compact island]

only with spear

[wary escarp]

Staff is strong don't get me wrong

Spear is just way easier to combo

[compact island]

oh yeah I like staff more, but Im seeing the charm on spear no

seems like way more raw damage

[wary escarp]

Spear with its jade is a menace in team mode

[compact island]

the silence one?

We are color bros now

[wary escarp]

and the horizontal one

both are effectively stop opponent from living

[compact island]

haha

not sure which is the other one

let me check

ah the multiple goldfocus spin atk

I thikn I never seen it before

thats how lil I use spear

[wary escarp]

I have never seen the appeal of staff and spear

But I use them a ton because idk, sometimes I see it I guess

[compact island]

I do like staff because it has mobility and range

[wary escarp]

I mostly play with dagger, I'm in love with mobility and mind game. However I have tougher time fighting people after giving it up to learn more about other weapons

[compact island]

My favs are the claws

the polesword and the fan

I do suck with the fan tho

but I feel it has lot of potential

once I learn proper neutral

[wary escarp]

Fistblade... I used to spent like 4 hours study it back when it came out. Now I just hating and refuse to pick it up

[compact island]

damn from love to hate

bad marriage?

[wary escarp]

Yeah, fan is super neutral focus but at the same time really strong if you know how to use it

[wary escarp]

Yeah... they simplify the weapon after one patch

[compact island]

yeah that is why I like it right now, is the easiest combo to pull

how was it before?

[wary escarp]

It used to be stronger but more complex, which requires more knowledges to use effectively and just not burning stamina

[compact island]

so it didnt have the dash charge?

what did it have back then?

[wary escarp]

The combo aspect is the same, it always have the easiest combo. However it used to have 3 charges

Every charge requires 1.1 or 1.2 seconds to charge instead of 1.0 like other weapon

However each dash will increase the charging state by 1 while not ignoring the countdown for the next charge

Which means for people who don't know how to use it, spamming 2 dodges will burn 1/2 your stamina bar to reach stage 3 while using timing it helps you reach stage 3 in 1 dodge and less than 1 second

I remember just writing a damn document about it and now it is just the most unfun weapon for me

[compact island]

haha

well it is pret ty simple

but since Im starting to learn the combos it feels nice to pull something in a real battle

[wary escarp]

Goodluck

Pulling off combo feel amazing in a real fight

[compact island]

but yeah I get it, when they oversimplify something you like

it kicks you in the nuts

totally understand

[wary escarp]

You weirdly sum it up for me

[compact island]

Has happened to me more than Id like to remember

actually that is one of the reasons I am here

my fav genre just keep getting simpler and simpler

I just do not like it anymore

cannot get on any of the new games of the genre

and I found this

also back to your exwife

the Hadoken jade is pretty damn cool

https://tenor.com/view/just-saying-colin-jost-saturday-night-live-snl-nbc-gif-18789887

[wary escarp]

You don't even need the jade to Hadoken

You just winding up the Hadoken with the jade

[compact island]

which make it more baddass

https://tenor.com/view/ryu-street-fighter-anime-hadouken-gif-24790209

[wary escarp]

Also it has a Chun-li kicking Jade now

[compact island]

yeah but that is not as cool

[wary escarp]

But that jade is so bad, no one uses it outside of getting the atk%

[compact island]

is nice tho

sadly the shoryuken sucks

[wary escarp]

I just realize you can sum it up with street fighter

[compact island]

yeah clearly all those jade are homage to street figther

I do not think is coincidence

too on the nose

[wary escarp]

It combo off nothing lmao

[compact island]

Sadness

they did it dirty

I would give it a bounce after the normal launcher

like just add the extra hit damage

like a shin shoryuken

https://tenor.com/view/metsu-shoryuken-shin-shoryuken-ryu-street-fighter-sf4-gif-17847370

that way you can combo same as the normal launcher

just more damage

[sly ore]

I don't see a huge complexity loss in losing 1 charge on fistblades

People who tried to use third charge in 1 dodge had a more predictable timing

A weapon with movement as good as this doesn't need 3 charges

[compact island]

Dude didnt you hear is a delicate subject for him, geez

[wary escarp]

Could be me being salty, but because of it I kinda lost interest in it pretty much

[compact island]

he had a tesis and all

[sly ore]

Find something else that interests you about it if you care about improving

[wary escarp]

Thankfully they nerfed the stamina cost tho, back then dodging like 5 times in a row with it is a normal thing in test server

I use pretty much every weapon, just have least fun out of fistblades now

and I think I kinda just play for fun now

[sly ore]

It needed some mala oil to balance out the flavor profile

Who doesn't like some numbing pain

[compact island]

mala oil, haha

[compact island]

Fun?

what is that?

[sly ore]

Ridiculous

I knew something was wrong with him

[compact island]

I swear he is cool, maybe he is sleepy now

[wary escarp]

Same, why I gave up on insanity for fun, I never know

[compact island]

past traumas

[wary escarp]

I could have spent 18 hours playing Naraka, reach UA, know every combo, collect every anima rings in showdown, reach Paragon within 30s of the fight, fight until I top 1 immortal war but I giving it all up for fun

How insane I was

[compact island]

You are having negative thoughts, get some rest, my man

[wary escarp]

Anyway, if you want to find me tomorrow, I will be in the training room or the custom room testing for bug

[compact island]

well sadly we are very far away

otherwise Ill join your room

some nice ass kicking will help me for sure

Im still very green on the neutral of this game

anyways for me is time to sleep

have a good day fellas

[wary escarp]

Goodnight

[compact island]

@sly ore Oh you are the one how made those videos, thanks man, you 2 year old videos helped me a lot when I just started, before I join this groups, which has helped me a lot too

anyways, Im off for reals now

[compact island]

https://tenor.com/view/sherlock-benedict-cumberbatch-hat-tip-greetings-smile-gif-4268618

[compact island]

So im practicing these now, what does it means when the bots shines greens and evades?

[vocal silo]

can someone give me an example of 211 been practicing i dont know what i miss out

[compact island]

So I have been here for over a month and I still do not know what these numbers mean

[wary escarp]

It's the staff combo with weapon swap mid air to restand and doing a focus with it

[compact island]

oh so the numbers are the inputs for the weapon?

I thought you could only press it once

[vocal silo]

so

uhh

[undone anchor]

That you forgot to disable disengage

It's a quick match only mechanic

[compact island]

so only the bot can do that?

or all players in quickmatch can

[undone anchor]

All players in quick match

U can also counter it, but it's hard

[compact island]

How do you do it, and why the hell the combo bot has it by default if its not universal

https://tenor.com/view/gosh-napoleon-napoleon-dynamite-gif-5699289

damn I have always trained my combos with that on

I though it was necessary

haha

things are way easier without it

well without disengage I can do the double grapple but I cannot land the third air H

also, does it worth it? vs the one grapple charge atk

for hengsword

[viscid kelp]

https://youtu.be/LK0f7Cj5wCA?si=4WKc1warbVBJndU-

[viscid kelp]

Afaik you used to have to press 211, but now you only need two swap inputs

[undone anchor]

Which one?

[compact island]

the one you show me I replied to it

.

[undone anchor]

Sry, for some reason I thought u were talking about doing 3 uppercuts 🤔😂😅

The double uppercut is always more dmg than a classic grapple combo

[compact island]

ah yeah sorry I mesed that up

[undone anchor]

Nah, my fault for not completely understanding

[compact island]

but is it as reliable?

[undone anchor]

It got mixed up in my head with a LS combo I do, with 2 bumps 😂

[undone anchor]

Depends

Requires more FPS in general

[compact island]

seems very iffy for that small damage difference

oh yeah makes sense

[undone anchor]

Mhh

It's not a small dmg overall

Especially cuz that one u can extend

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1253390266010697808/1318509317242097664/Naraka_2024-12-17_10-07-40.mp4?ex=67648f3d&is=67633dbd&hm=1c5d78d7acdcafdb6683a080461bb8a9a8a93863c422963ea2e917f1173bd55b&

Like this for example

(LS; I don't have Heng sword combos at hand since I'm still not at home)

[compact island]

yeah but that is using a specific char, but the no special skill req, is only 100 more damage

than charge atk one

[undone anchor]

It opens possibilities

Most characters can extend similar to this

Then again, it's up to you

[compact island]

I see

[undone anchor]

On higher FPS (200+) , u can get up to 5 juggles

[compact island]

damn

[undone anchor]

So the dmg is significantly hogher

[compact island]

haha

yeah that would be crazy

[undone anchor]

Or also while going down a slope

[compact island]

ohh

[undone anchor]

U can chain jump horizontal for a long time

[compact island]

you are right

okay make sense

Ill keep practicing

[undone anchor]

Also, that little dmg could be the difference between killing someone or getting killed 🤔

(plus, there is the tilt value to add 🤔😂; no one likes getting juggled for forever)

[compact island]

yeah for sure, but its looking very iffy for me now, I just need more practice

[undone anchor]

Yeah 👍

Try it on LS; it's a bit less strict

And easier than focus

Also, the double grapple variant shown above, is even more dmg , because of the second bump

[compact island]

I get it on hengesword, just very inconsistent

[undone anchor]

Got a clip ?

[compact island]

have not get my hand on one, need to update my windows version soon

[undone anchor]

👍

[compact island]

that new Dx12 update requirement is messing me up

haha, the tilt factor

it is definitely a thing for sure

[undone anchor]

For windows?

[compact island]

yeah I have a very old windows10 version to avoid the bloatware it has

but it is getting behind

I have dx12

[undone anchor]

Oh, I see

[compact island]

but I cannot update it

to the newest version

so its messing me up

need to do something about it soon

[undone anchor]

Computer problems? 🤔

[compact island]

I already got 2 possible solutions

but been hit by the flu this week

so extra lazy

I could share screen, I guess?

okay I got it 3 times, Ill keep practicing tomorrow

Im guessing the grapple aiming is more strict in this one cuz I need a higher bump

I have not find the sweet spot yet

[undone anchor]

U can aim a bit further away; it will help

[digital epoch]

https://youtu.be/5aBGeef2dEA?feature=shared

[worn wolf]

best damage type

[undone anchor]

Yep

[neat hound]

the goat uploaded

🔥

[eternal wolf]

i'm stuck on how to do a katana combo is there any way i can share a clip somewhere so people can look at what im doing wrong?

[neat hound]

u cant send it here?

[undone anchor]

Sure, which combo??

(I can send any combo clip u need, but in about 10 mins if it's aight)

[dim abyss]

send here

be sure to check pins to see if you're doing it correctly

and then we can find the reason your combo keeps failing from your clip

[eternal wolf]

am shy

this is the vid
the first iteration is me actually SOMEHOW managing to do it so it's not impossible on my configuration
but then i either seem to miss my grapple (which is why i strive to the right) or i don't time the focus attack right

and the thing that's bothering me is, one of these attempts i legit release focus too early which results in neutral instead of charged attack, and the bot still dodges it, so for that attempt it wasn't me misstiming the focus attack that caused it to not hit (since he dodged it before i was even able to charge it)

[dim abyss]

2nd one made me laugh

1st one was good yes

you just did a grapple attack

here is the proper way to do the inputs

https://medal.tv/games/naraka-bladepoint/clips/28mBhE4tMz9DfC?invite=cr-MSxkUHEsMTExNzEyNDA3LA

after the uppercut, you are buffering the focus attack, and at the same time holding A or D to prevent rolling on the ground

the crouch and uncrouch thing in this video is interchangeable with the dodge attack

it's an alternative method that doesn't use stamina

[undone anchor]

You got the hang of the idea, there are 2 improvements that will probably make your life easier 🤔👍

1. Start holding the focus button when the grapple throwing animation starts, and don't let go; it will start to charge as soon as possible after the bump, speeding up your animation (this will help avoid late charging like the first attempt and grapple attacks 👍)

2. Take your time whenever grappling; try to not snap into direction while trying to force as much speed as you can, if you are calm and precise you won't nearly need to move your camera at all 👍

(namely if you pre aim the general zone, it will work generally better)

((with the pre focus hold while doing the grapple, as long as you bump you won't roll btw, so you can also not press any key at all during the whole combo 👍))

[neat hound]

yh what he said

[compact island]

to be completely fair, I would always start these advice with

"What is your FPS?"

literally would have saved me hours

[compact island]

what is your FPS?

[wary escarp]

It seems like they are on the higher end of FPS

The grapple is little late and the bump is not ideal if you asking me. However it works

nvm, just rewatch it, they done good on the timing of grapple, just need to buffer the focus and they should be good

[meager trail]

yeah and be more consistent

it looks like he was too afraid of not hitting the blue so he tried to rush it

[summer wasp]

In simple terms, incase you dont understand a few of the terms, as soon as you throw out your grapple you want to be holding your focus charge rather than after you hit the bump and trying to time it for when you land, also you want to use vertical focus generally from grapple bumps (rmb) as alot of weapons from your lmb focus attack will pull you backwards and can cause you to miss 👍

[summer wasp]

other than that your fine, just need to practice a bit more, grapple bumps with weapons other than katana and heng sword require a little better timing as with longsword, dual blades and halberds require you to release your blue timing on 0.9 release (so you would release right as the sound queue is about to happen) rather than waiting for the sound queue, its good practice to learn this timing for all weapons anyway but you will miss 9/10 times with longsword, halberds and dual blades if you dont time it this way.

[undone anchor]

It's still 1.0

0.9 will be a light attack

Just need to be precise with it

[summer wasp]

Yeah i know, i just explained it in the way i do it, which honestly is a confusing explanation, i 'get ready' to release at 0.9 is probably the best way to describe it 🤔 so that my release is happening simultaneously with the sound queue

[eternal wolf]

ty guys
im on the higher end although i have this issue where it keeps setting my graphics back to high every time i open the game

it's kinda rough to have these exact timings to go with but i understand it
i'll try to train it a bit more next time i get the chance to, probably before i go into my bronze 5 games to play against top 80 server ppl haha

[naive plaza]

just so you know the top X server titles have no relation to someones place on the ranked leaderboard, those titles are for something called the hall of fame which is character specific. It just means they play a lot of that particular character. Also you'll be in bot lobbies until youre out of gold most likely 🙂

[compact island]

So I was playing with nunchucks today, and I did some kind of parry while charging an atk

how does that work exactly?

[compact island]

See all you need to do is read the weapon description

this guy cannot read, geez, loyalight, get a grip

https://tenor.com/view/tom-hiddleston-loki-this-guy-gif-10466991

[meager trail]

[gusty moth]

So there is compatible weapon combos???

[undone anchor]

you mean congeneric weapons combo?

if so yes, there are 2 in the game at the moment: spear x staff ; greatsword x polesword

[gusty moth]

Like I had a polearm in one hand and a great sword in the other first time I ever did a move like that

[undone anchor]

to use them, u need to swap from one congeneric to the other after a light attack on the ground (either left or rightclick on the mouse)

it will start the congeneric combo

after that it's a matter of clicking to keep it going 👍

[gusty moth]

Dude!!! That’s sick!!!

[undone anchor]

yepyep

sad thing tho is that even if you hit with the start of it, people can dodge out or parry if they wait for the first focus hit

spent a lot of time trying to guarantee either of them, but no way to make it a true combo

except a nerfed interaction with the congeneric for staff and spear that could once be turned into an infinite combo

[teal root]

Merry Christmas to everyone ❤️🤍🎄✝️
Wish you all the best great health and happiness!

[undone anchor]

This is more of a message for #💬┃general-chat , but nonetheless thanks!!! And have a merry Christmas aswell! , I wish you all of the best things

[rain yew]

How to escape from being staggered while being down? high ranking players can just "combo -> enemy down -> enemy dodge -> light attack -> enemy stagger -> combo again"

[meager trail]

https://youtu.be/dX0oYscqPFw?si=1asQ7fC5d4dppyMh

And don't do "obvious" dodges

[compact island]

https://tenor.com/view/huh-intereasting-gif-27177481

[meager trail]

https://tenor.com/view/eating-cat-cat-eating-stare-gif-11298948497590297995

[meager trail]

🤨

[neat hound]

grapple placement

[viscid kelp]

DB toothpick is merely soft true but yeah you can rubberband the bot

[long idol]

s olike

[viscid kelp]

Which is strange given it cancels desync and mostly seems to run locally, but this game is an enigma in terms of netcode anyway

[meager trail]

it's not about the db soft true

my grapple just yeeted itself away from my cursor

[long idol]

Im tryna do the grapple combo with dual halberds and it just doesnt work idk, the charge after grapple just misses

i have 40ms

[meager trail]

dh/db grapple combo requirement is abit tighter compare to kata/heng

[neat hound]

the bot dodges everything doesnt it

[long idol]

yea it does

[neat hound]

then it would work on sm1 who doesnt have 0ms

[long idol]

Like i never managed to do it eh, the only thing i can do is dagger

but apparently dagger is bad for newbies

[neat hound]

yh cuz neutral diff

[long idol]

ill see if i can do it on a player, but never actually managed to land it

[viscid kelp]

There is a certain point within the grapple animation where any further cursor movement won't change its direction, so that could be part of the issue

because you did look at the spot where it ended up landing at some point

however that was well before the usual "lock in" point of the grapple

so yeah it's a bit weird

but so is this entire game

[meager trail]

i encountered so many weird stuffs lately

grapple misposition

and when i do basic grapple combo on 100 ping the game just refuse to read my grapple input

it wasn't this bad before

again

[neat hound]

high ping problems wouldnt know

[viscid kelp]

Usually I would say high ping shouldn't affect that, because grapples (aside from their stagger/bump) are entirely client sided

But maybe the fact that you uppercut an enemy beforehand, which is 100% a server sided interaction, also affects the grapple

[meager trail]

man

fk this game

it's getting worse everyday

[viscid kelp]

I think the safest bet is to just align your camera as soon as you notice your lmb connecting

since aligning it after the fact seems to cause trouble

[meager trail]

yeah ig that's a way to ''fix'' it, but i mean i never got this issue before, and suddenly it hapens out of nowhere

like

[viscid kelp]

It could always be that you somehow changed some of your habits, but I also recall them mentioning in some patch that they altered how buffering works on DB uppercut

it's a long shot either way, neither of these things seem likely to cause this

but who knows

[meager trail]

i'm not even using brain for grapple combo anymore so it's unlikely that my input habits changed but eh

[viscid kelp]

Yeah, I figured as much, it's not rly normal for someone to just change their habit for no reason

But we have the theories of

• Habit change
• Buffer change fucked smth up
• Dark magic

Not a great selection

[meager trail]

[long idol]

im lookin at heng combo and what exactly is he doing

crouch crouch?

its lmb crouch crouch lmb crouch rmb

but when i double press crouch my char just does a crouch lmb

[neat hound]

acca?

hold crouch tap crouch ting

just search up how to do acca on yt theres prolly a tutorial on there

[undone anchor]

i bet my money on the third part

[slate quarry]

People are crazy, a Zai play solo in trio, and bro win the game solo vs team

[undone anchor]

zai = op

in team modes at least

[primal vortex]

can anyone explain why uppercuts don’t go as high on console. combos literally feel impossible. can’t even do simple grapple combos either

[undone anchor]

uppercuts go the exact same height 👍

the difference is your ping, your fps

those are what impacts on your combo execution; high ping or low fps delays the animation speed and it coincidentally makes the lock frames in animation longer (cuz the animation itself is a few frames slower)

for grapple combos u need minimum 65 fps, better to get to 80 minimum on katana

LS is really precise, and so are DH and DB

so ideally start with katana and try getting that; if you are on 65 fps it's really precise, both in timing and grapple positionement

[rain yew]

The input for the wakeup roll is kind of weird, sometimes I roll, sometimes I just stand up.

The input for direction is also weird, sometimes I input S i roll forward, or I input D I roll backwards.

what the hell

[fossil crystal]

How good/bad is the stealth on dodge souljade with sth like dagger's quick dash attacks?

Or like the fan with the quick dash altering souljade

Im mostly curious about whether the stealth is meaningful enough to make a difference

[rain yew]

And when I tried it in songbird arena, my character just stands up, not doing any wakeup roll

[jade gull]

I believe there 3 kind of dodges , tap dodge, hold dodge and wave roll. Tap dodge is a longer dodge good for moving, hold dodge is short and good for combo starts and winning neural imo, I’m still new to this game other can probably tell you more

[dim abyss]

That's pretty much it, if you think you're being hit mid dodge, you're probably just being hit at the end of it which is called a tech chase

It is possible to time your hit to land on the enemy just as their dodge iframes are finished

there is also a "mid dodge" but it is essentially just a short hold dodge without the movement

it looks like you're stepping through the enemy or ducking under an attack briefly and can act immediately after

[meager trail]

yeah this is why i use dodge input for wake up roll

[rain yew]

does it roll even if you use dodge input? then how do you set the direction of it?

[meager trail]

by holding the directional keys before inputting the dodge

[viscid kelp]

If you just stand up, it's because you have been restood or waited on the ground for a few seconds

Restanding refers to the fact that if someone has been knocked to the ground, attacking them with an attack that would not knock them to the ground forces them to stand back up

So for example if you're on the ground and the enemy does a longsword light attack onto you, you will be forced to stand up afterwards

However, the stagger of attacks is usually(!) lower when you use them to restand an enemy

[slate quarry]

She use 2 waepon on the same times, how the fuck its possible ?

I have never viex this and hear it was possible

[viscid kelp]

Equip polesword and greatsword in your two items slots
Attack with one, then switch to the other

Works with staff and spear as well

[slate quarry]

okok ty

its strong as fuck, she combo me and os me

cant do anything

no escape, nothing

wtfff

[undone anchor]

it's a parriable combo; after the first two hits you can parry the first blue, and it's pretty slow

or dodge out aswell

safer option

[slate quarry]

Ohhh oook

thanks !

[compact island]

Do focus still recieve damage from ranged weapons? I see a "Deflecting" animation for the projectile but Im not sure if damage is dealt just not stagger like with normal meelee atks

[meager trail]

when in focus state you only get dmg reduction
when releasing a focus attack you're immune from some ranged weapons projectile which are bow, crossbow, musket, pistol and swarm, with bow and crossbow will show the arrows being deflected while musket, pistol and swarm the bullets will just disappear
but it does nothing against flamethrower i think

[compact island]

I see, so let say my teammate got engulfed in staff/spear gold furry stuff, I can only watch If I do not have a gold focus to clash myself?

you did not mention cannon, so thats my only option to damage them I guess, damn bow charge shot should work too

[meager trail]

not sure about cannon cuz aside from the direct hit there's still the explosion

[compact island]

Okay, thanks

[undone anchor]

In golden focus there is a huge dmg reaction factor, Ur only choice are abilities there

[compact island]

Im guessing you meant "reduction"?

[undone anchor]

Reduction*

Autocorrect did me dirty 🤔😂

[compact island]

how much?

[undone anchor]

The dmg reduction?

I reckon is around 70-80% if I'm not wrong, while you are in golden focus

[compact island]

yes