🔱┃weapons-combat

[meager trail]

💀

[wary escarp]

Get used to not using parry as a way to deal with blue focus, relied on your offensive play and your movement to actually play defensive.

Usually when you get better at the game and not being destroyed by trying to parry people willy nilly, you will learn how to use parry more effectively

Parry is either a punish for certain blue focus attack or a call out when you pick up your opponent pattern

[undone anchor]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFhMiSDPgDI&t=58s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGLZWqXPDog&t=1s

here are some nice guides for parry; the most important tip i can give you tho, is to get some experience. parry is an insanely aggressive callout, that also has a large risk of getting you caught in a combo if you mess it up. if possible, unless you are sure that someone is going to release, it's always better to dodge and not parry

with more experience you will be able to tell instinctively habits of the enemies, and you will be able to tell when someone is more likely to release an attack against you, but it's never smth of which you are sure

in short, there is no way to make a parry 100% a surefire answer, since it will always comport a huge risk. with some exceptions, in naraka, no attacks are react parriable, meaning that you can only predict most of them (let's say all in order to not complicate our lives) and not react to them when you see the flash

this is due to the activation time of the parry animation (approx 200 ms except in some cases that get explained in the videos)

[timber geyser]

How do u roll without using stamina?

[toxic briar]

Sprint and tap shift

[onyx loom]

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[toxic briar]

Or tap dodge

[flat onyx]

Which characters are easiest to main in your opinion?

I got Wuchen after Akos, but he seems pretty hard to play

[meager trail]

wuchen V2 is literally the simplest hero in the game lol

[flat onyx]

And his f1 is pretty useless in duos or trios, unless you have good communication. Then the f2 heals very little armour

Do you have any recommendations on how to play him and which hero’s to pair with?

His V1 is so cool though!

[meager trail]

well you always need good communication in team modes
F2 not only recover armor but it also block projectiles, create a safe zone for your team to heal up or res a downed teamate w/o getting shot at

[flat onyx]

I‘m pretty low ranked, so people don’t use ranged weapons that often

Maybe I’ll learn to appreciate him on higher ranks

[meager trail]

it block feria mech shots and tianhai ranged grabs too

[flat onyx]

THE WHAT NOW?

[meager trail]

mhmm

[flat onyx]

I didn’t know that

[meager trail]

now you know

[flat onyx]

Thank you

I’ve got 200 more hero coins

Should I try some other heroes? Or should I try to just play the ones I have more often

?

[meager trail]

i mean eventually you gonna get them all

can try all of them in training room

[flat onyx]

The new heroes seem busted

[meager trail]

nah she's underperforming rn lol

[flat onyx]

We tried 2 cyras and 1 kurumi before and got on a 7 game winstreak

How much did they nerf her?

[meager trail]

they actually buffed her

and she's still egh

[flat onyx]

Her F is pretty bad

But the ultimate is good though? No?

[meager trail]

actually the opposite

[meager trail]

i mean if it works for you, sure why not
but then one day you gonna face a real good synergy comp and you'll know

[flat onyx]

Probably higher ranks than gold then

We’re still newbies

[meager trail]

yeah

if u're new i would advise you shouldn't care about comps and characters that much

basically all chars are playable, specially in trios

[flat onyx]

My first hero after tutorial ( Yoto was free) was Akos

He had a steep learning curve, I didn’t like him at all

But now, he seems the most versatile one out of all

He just cool like that

[meager trail]

you wanna look for crowd control, burst damages, peeling, survivability... stuffs like that

like

just look at your team and find the missing piece

then you'll get a decent comp

[flat onyx]

Okay, thanks. I’ll try to keep that in mind

[meager trail]

one of the most common comp with wuchen is viper-tessa-wuchen

all 3 running v1

tessa hits her V > almost guarantee for viper to hits her V > almost guanrantee 1 ded

and if thing didn't went well wuchen will just yoink whole team away

or viper/tessa go first, bait out enemies V then whole team run away using wuchen V, heals up then come back with viper and tessa V ready

and start again with the tessa & viper V combination

[flat onyx]

That sounds very skilful

[meager trail]

there're many, many comps that works on different ways

some comps was solely focused on winning yang

some comps was really good in burst, while some others can stalls the fight and burn out opponent's resources

[flat onyx]

This probably what we did, having 3 healers

[meager trail]

like if you meet a kurumi/tianhai/yueshan

you'll probably thinking ''well how tf do i kill this team''

😂

[flat onyx]

I think Tianhai and Yueshan are pretty easy to deal with overall 1v1 or 2v2

But getting tag teamed with a healer is hard as hell

Like Ziping has insane survivabiliyy

[meager trail]

yeaaa i mean in the end comp isn't everything

which is why i suggest you to just play whoever you feel like to play

if it works it works

until it stop working

then you need something else

[flat onyx]

I’ll be running Akos and Tarka till the end of days then

:)))

[meager trail]

and by that time you already got enough experience to see what's wrong and what you should try next time

[meager trail]

some silly comps like akos v3 and viper v1 still works even on unrivalled so who knows

[flat onyx]

We’ll try them all, thanks for the tips

[meager trail]

glhf

[native rune]

tips against heng sword plz

the blue into horizontal confirmed combo is silly

[undone anchor]

it's soft true

but overall dont parry it if they go for a lunge attack

try to simply release in their face

either clash or hit them, and you are good to go

for vertical focus, just treat it as a katana

[native rune]

so the best thing to do is just release

they usually try to condition after a clash so they can crouch parry

it feels like they have the option select advantage every time lol

i feel the same when im playing heng

[meager trail]

the best option is a backward dodge

and catch them at the end of their release

but it require percise timing

[native rune]

yeah that sounds hard to do if u mean tap dodge

cuz horizontal blue has a really long lunging active frame

ill try it tho

[meager trail]

the thing is

backward dodge making you safe from both the blue release or the fake blue into light horizontal

and you can catch your opponent at the end of their animation with your light attack

and start a combo

[native rune]

i see. ill keep that in mind ty!

and what if u get hit by the horizontal blue and they go for the light horizontal?

[meager trail]

you can always dodge out of it since it's not a true combo

[native rune]

i get that its soft true but holding blue and dodging still gets caught

idk if its a ping thing

[meager trail]

if you can't or get rubberbanded, blame the game ig

[native rune]

yeah i always get rubberbanded lol

if i see it coming i usually jump so they atleast get a hard knockdown instead of a full combo

[meager trail]

or crouch

usually it's a horizontal follow after that lunge

[native rune]

yeah

does it go over u if u crouch?

[meager trail]

yeah the horizontal won't hit if you crouched

[native rune]

makes sense

[meager trail]

but again if ''the ping thing'' happens you'll probably still get hit lol

[native rune]

~w~ lol

probably the hardest weapon to go against for me

alongside fistblade

[meager trail]

yeah heng is kinda broken in 1v1

[native rune]

ill try the things u guys said tho

'preciate the tips!

[meager trail]

overall it's all about movement

dodges op

[wary escarp]

It's not even true

Like you can clearly tap dodge afterward

[wary escarp]

Once they release it and you see they charge at you, they cannot cancel out of it without the help of ability, so unless they are Tianhai with F2 or Takeda then you would not have to worry about they bait you for a parry

[native rune]

my ping is on the higher end so i get caught usually

but i tend to hold dodge alot in general

ill try tap dodging backwards more against it

[undone anchor]

Depends on ping and FPS difference

[wary escarp]

That explains why you get combo by the lunge into combo

[undone anchor]

But yeah, it should be untrue

[undone anchor]

Tap dodge always if you want to get out of range; hold dodge has way less i frames

[wary escarp]

But for 60fps and around 100ms, I still able to escape it

And sometimes 30fps even

[native rune]

Yeah im aware. I just subconsciously hold dodge alot lol

[tidal anchor]

:playdead:

[short cloud]

[dim abyss]

it can be

[crimson cloak]

.

[onyx loom]

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[gray pecan]

need someones help with the Longsword Carousel

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkXNcKMbRAo&t=55s

this is the tutorial im following

but the problem is that i cant land the first bump

here like this

[undone anchor]

U holding w?

Also, what are your FPS?

(carousel is insanely inconsistent, setup changes depending on the direction you and your enemy are facing btw)

[gray pecan]

Pretty sure, that's what I feel like I'm doing, might be accidentally releasing it

Let me try it out real quick

[gray pecan]

Ehhh like 100-110ish

Average

[gray pecan]

Oh deadass 😭

That's wild

yea im def holding w

i js think my timing on the first hit is horrid

i was able to get it twice in like 2 hours

theres the good one i got

changed some settings so now im averaging 120

i js got it like another 2 times but idek what im doing differently 😭

[undone anchor]

Under 100 it's not consistent

Nearly frame perfect

120 is way better

It's the frames the big difference

[gray pecan]

oh you recon

frames seem to be my biggest problem wit hthis game

got a question

lets say that i had 144 over 120, would that make combos drastically easier

[stray mason]

Yes, more fps easier to combo

[gray pecan]

hmm

then i dont think fps is the problem

i turned it on unlimited and im averaging 130-140ish

[undone anchor]

FPS is always a part of the problem

Since Naraka is programmed in unity, and in a certain way, FPS directly impacts the speed of the attacking animations you do

And also allows for smoother animations overall

This makes some combos possible, which are not on lower ping, and widens windows for the ones already aviable

The rest is skill based and situation (terrain,...)

[solar spade]

someone please help i cant do the grapple thing cause my character wants to do a flip before starting the charge 😭

its the first combo im trying to learn i just started playing

it wasnt doing the stupid flip until like 10 minutes ago and wont stop

[wary escarp]

Recommendation: Hold attack during grapple initiate animation (while your character throw out the grappling, not while they are moving) and hold A or D during said time

The roll after bumb usually result from hold W

[solar spade]

FINALLY

thank you

i was losing it

[gray pecan]

I still cant get the longsword combo

😭

why dosetn it work for me

[wary escarp]

It takes time but at the same time it is not really consistent and easy to do

[raven snow]

any tips for a newer mnk player? trynna become top 10 in the US but this is a struggle also any good combos someone can tell me so i can practice?

[undone anchor]

which one?

[undone anchor]

wym by mnk?

also, if you need to practice for naraka; combos you can ask specifically in this channel, and we'll see if we can help; don't rush tho

start by learning the basics of fighting, such as hold checking and mouvement overall

once you got that down and solid i would say it's time to learn combos and optimal combos

it will definitely take a while tho

naraka isnt a simple game, and also not really beginner friendly

[red glen]

can somebody explain why i my grapple combos dont work with longsword / katana?

longsword i do vertical vertical crouch vertical grapple hook and then instantly blue charge after the grapple hook hit

but they can combat roll out of it before my blue charge lands

does anyone know why this is?

[undone anchor]

Do you have a clip of you trying one of those combos that you can share?

There could be many reasons, but my first guess would be that you grapple too late and also hold focus too late 🤔👍

[red glen]

i dont have a specific clip in combat but i can record it in training practice when i get home

but those might be the case honestly

[undone anchor]

That would be much apreciated

In combat remember that also terrain is a big factor

[red glen]

usually its flat terrain

[undone anchor]

Then it's most likely one of the aforementioned reasons

Or FPS, but considering the mas gear everyone has these days it's unlikely

[dim abyss]

Watch master deemo on yt

Combos are important but they wont make u top X, they just increase your dmg output when you get your combo starter

U need to master the fundamentals and a whole lot of other tools to get there

Deemo is a good example of how a top player plays

Nonoscrybb as well

In simple terms u need to play fast, smart and optimally, giving no room to opponents to outplay you or punish you

And take advantage of every opening

[torn granite]

p

[eager grotto]

Can somebody clarify if skills that have "Can be used under attacked" tag can by used while under a golden focus attack?

[undone anchor]

yes

[meager trail]

depends
you can't use it if you're being grabbed by pride fall or will form hook

[eager grotto]

That's the bloody one

Good to know the one time I can't get out of that in the clutch moment in my game sighs

[meager trail]

[shrewd pilot]

Hi all, hope you're having a good day.
Can anyone please point me to where I should look for info on the weapons and characters (stat tables and hopefully some play advice, etc).
I'm returning to the game after a year away and looks like the info at old.naraka.wiki is completely out of date, and naraka.wiki doesn't seem to supply such info.
Did the green focus get added to the game btw?

Thanks!

[wary escarp]

Green focus is added but not in rank, I remember it is there in mode like Spirit well. About the stats table, I cannot find anyone who documents it. Weapons and characters advices are usually specific to themselves (outside of getting good at neutral). Sorry that I cannot be at help a lot

[flat onyx]

Any tips against double alebards and swords and their chase stack?

How to dodge or counter?

[undone anchor]

hold focus

it has an insane reach; your best bet is to super armor it, as you would do for any light attack, and strike back when they are stuck in the animation

this works for all weapons

just need to work on your hold checking; check their habits, bait them, answer

if they only spam vertical-vertical, then hold focus and hit them back

[wary escarp]

And if you mean their horizontal focus running attack, if you picking up that they only running up to you and release right away, parry it, if you thinking they consider the parry situation and going in waiting for you to parry them, just combo them since they stuck in a non focus state. There are some more tips which included jumping and using environment but it can be counterplay by grapple

[flat onyx]

Tips for bows and muskets?

Close range, the canon seems better and long range I can’t aim

😦

[undone anchor]

None tbf

It's a matter of getting a better aim

Bow is true strongest weapon at range

If you are struggling with aim you might like to try out pistol tho

(consider that ranged weapons are not the focus in naraka; it's mostly a melee based fight 👍)

[wary escarp]

Still make use of it if you able to

[undone anchor]

Yep

[wary escarp]

I have some tips is your aim is more forgiving if your crosshair is slightly on the right of your enemy instead of left. So if you want to shot someone, you can aim a bit the right of their head

[dim abyss]

not much

you can cancel the cooldown between shots by doing a hold dodge between shots

it looks like shoot->dodge shoot-> dodge shoot->repeat

you can shoot like 3x faster doing this at the cost of stamina

besides that, aim for the head and practice the aim

headshots with a bow stagger the opponent so it can be devastating to be hit by it

and yes cannon is easier to hit of course

nothing wrong with using cannong so long as you know how to shoot at the right range

it does a lot of damage

and i really recommend u learn to use bow and musket, because if you want to win more, it makes a huge difference, you can win the fight solely off of the ranged weapon by taking away 600-1000 HP from them before the fight even begins

[viscid kelp]

One thing to keep in mind is that bow and musket aren't hitscan, they're projectile based ranged weapons. So when shooting a moving enemy, depending on how far away they are, you need to aim ahead of wherever they're moving to account for the travel time of the projectile

While headshots are nice in terms of damage, they're often hard to hit at high range. I recommend aiming for the enemy's hip area if they're too far/moving a lot

Another little oddity in melee range is that Naraka doesn't align your character to the crosshair perfectly. You stand slightly off center, to the left of the crosshair. This also means your projectile is shot slightly off center and converges towards the crosshair over distance

At high range this doesn't matter, but in melee range it heavily affects where you need to aim

The location where the bullet will actually impact is usually indicated by the little red dot, but it's not 100% reliable. It's good to just get a feeling for it

It's good to know for certain attack strings that allow you to get a quick shot in melee range, though this is moderately advanced animation cancelling stuff

[flat onyx]

Thanks everybody

[cinder thorn]

it's worth noting this staggers players if they grapple onto you so bow is a bit safer than other ranged weapons at grapple range

you also stagger players with charged body shots iirc

[bitter atlas]

any good guides a newbie should read or watch guys

[meager trail]

https://youtu.be/MZw3aPhmgiE
https://youtu.be/y59HE32pHqU
https://youtu.be/Rduuu7Qt7JE

[primal vortex]

is there anyone that i can dm for help with a combo im trying to do? i just need someone who can help me figure out what im doing wrong

[undone anchor]

sure

which combo are we talking about?

also, do you have a clip of you attempting it that you can share with us? having a visual reference to work on, especially with combos is always an insane help

[neat hound]

they nerfed basically all combos if u on xbox dawg u might be cooked

[undone anchor]

Always was not feasible to combo on console 🤔🤔

Also Xbox isn't supported anymore, am I wrong? 🤔

Or was it only for the older version?

[neat hound]

older version

[neat hound]

but they used to be possible but the netcode change made it impossible

[undone anchor]

Netcode combos were never meant to be 🤔🤷🏻‍♂️

[viscid kelp]

Netcode change affected all combos

[onyx loom]

🎉 | Takao leveled up!

[viscid kelp]

not just ping reliant combos

so that point is sort of eh in this context

The amount of ppl who stopped being able to do a basic grapple focus combo is staggering

[neat hound]

i like touching takao

[primal vortex]

i have a clip of it

but for some reason i can’t send them in here im like blocked from sending the clip

the combo i was trying to do was V, V, CV, G, CV, AH, JH

but i have been noticing i can’t really do grapple combos like at all

the only way i was able to actually get close to a grapple combo was using matari f2

[cinder thorn]

are you trying to land them against the bot

because against players it's a bit more lenient

[primal vortex]

i 1v1 my friend a lot and he was able to escape my grapple combos

however i dont have a clip of that only the bot on combat mode

[cinder thorn]

i was on 60fps until recently and i could do all basic grapple combos on players but only land katana and heng sword against the bot

for dual weapons and longsword it was a lot harder than before the netcode change though

[primal vortex]

no yeah because i’m noticing the difference in the height on console vs pc. when i try to do the long sword combo my bot doesn’t seem to be as high but on pc the height looks right

high as in when i do a CV

like he just falls so fast i can’t do another CV

[cinder thorn]

yeah your inputs are correct i think your framerate might just be too low to allow it idk

i couldn't get a followup uppercut at all on 60fps after the netcode change

@viscid kelp is grapple into uppercut with longsword totally dead on console and lower framerates?

[primal vortex]

i found the combo when i saw psyclops valda tod combo and was attempting it but noticed i could never get that uppercut

and just couldn’t land any basic combos with grapple in general

[cinder thorn]

basic grapple combos (not spear) should all be possible, just quite precise

they might be impossible against the bot though

[primal vortex]

alright when i get a chance im gonna try practicing against my friend to see if i can do it. not the uppercut after grapple just basic grapple focus

[wary escarp]

I think the input of the second cV is a bit slow

Yeah, it is... if you execute it right, you will not see the crouching animation

[undone anchor]

Yep, the crouch input is way too slow; ideally everything follows a smooth animation

If done correctly there is no stop after the bump, but the uppercut windup will start as soon as you touch the enemy

[primal vortex]

so it’s not a netcode issue just inputs being done too slow ?

[wary escarp]

it seems, I have done the combo in the past in which my fps is less than ideal

Imma try to capture a video of the combo with 60fps

[primal vortex]

do yk how to do it faster or what i can do to make it easier? i’m not too sure if you play controller though

[primal vortex]

okay sounds good

[wary escarp]

Doing it faster is a matter of you getting the hang of it. For controller I have no idea

the timing of when you hit, input crouch and vertical should be done really quick

[wary escarp]

I admit that it is harder on lower fps and at the same time, your input will get eaten if the lag spike

@undone anchor Lmao, the first carousel I did is by accident when low frame rate eat my crouch input

[undone anchor]

Wpwp

I still can't hit those, no matter how hard I try 🤦🏼‍♂️😂

[wary escarp]

I feel like low frame rate causing the attack to bounce less?

[undone anchor]

It slows the grapple animation aswell

So the bump is always lower

[primal vortex]

that makes more sense.

[undone anchor]

Also it impacts how the blade floats the enemy, mostly due to speed of animation

So at lower frames you need to be insanely more precise in order to hit the enemy at the angle and timing you need

For carousel especially, since the vertical of the LS only floats correctly in specific positions

For carousel aswell, the timings vary depending on the orientation of the enemy btw 👍

Under 120+ frames I would definitely not recommend it

Under 100 it's not feasible

[primal vortex]

is it only pc that gets to 120?

[undone anchor]

Yes

Console is usually capped at around 70 max 🤔👍

From what I know at least

In fact, combos on console are pretty much nonexistent

With some exceptions

The double uppercut u sent the clip of, it's 100% feasible, u got a lot of room there

So I would say that your console has probably a higher framerate

[primal vortex]

the closest thing i got to grapple combos were using matari f2 🥲

[primal vortex]

okay so i just need to practice my timing more

[undone anchor]

There are plenty of possibilities dw

[undone anchor]

Yep

[undone anchor]

I'm ATM no at home, but if you still need help in about 4-5h I can send you some clips of the combo 👍🤔

[undone anchor]

Yep, this is one of the easy ones 👍👍

[primal vortex]

i’d appreciate any help thank you 🙏🏻

[undone anchor]

With double uppercuts u can do one every single f that u use

So it's a bump (600dmg) + an uppercut (200dmg) for each uppercut u can do more 👍🤔

Or around there

Not completely sure about the dmg of the bump, it's either slightly more than 400 or 600

[wary escarp]

If you experience fequence stutter and lag spike, I recommending focus more on neutral and less on combo, because those are just straight up dismiss your combo if it happens

Still you will suffer in neutral if that happen, but combo aren't easily access if you are in that situation

[undone anchor]

here are 2 examples 👍

maybe they can help with the timing and such 👍

[flat onyx]

Any nunchucks combos?

[meager trail]

pinned post

[primal vortex]

thank you

[undone anchor]

yw!

if you need for any combo, feel free to ping me 👍

[snow gyro]

Hello guys,
I am trying to learn combos and I was trying the basic Grappling Hook Combo. No matter how many times I tried, I cant hit the blue charged attack after the bump. I also watched videos from YT. But no luck. Here are the videos I uploaded of trying them with katana and long sword.
https://youtu.be/2MYn28KLWlo?si=9ZWyvxoHVNGhyxpF
https://youtu.be/5BtKFu2q6OI?si=TdVfpb_GjMlDKFzX

[undone anchor]

In both clips grapple is too late

And you can also start holding focus during the grapple animation; at the moment your bump is too low, cuz the grapple is late, and the hold is too slow

[snow gyro]

Ok thanks will try that

[undone anchor]

👍👍👍

[undone anchor]

@dim abyss this is prolly my proudest work atm on kylin 😆

still can be improved, but didnt have time in the last weeks to work on it

[dim abyss]

this is why i run combo break

[undone anchor]

😆

it's not even tod tho

needs 1,1 k dmg more

these are easy tod that tilt people easily tho 🤔

recommend those instead

[meager trail]

i can't hit the spear grapple combo lol

[undone anchor]

in this video the bot is disabled because i had some issues aswell at the time; on real players it's much easier

just grapple a bit more far than what you would usually think

it can help

[meager trail]

meh still hardly works on combo bots

on player i come to the conclusion that the risk of getting parried is too high

so i won't attempt to do it

[undone anchor]

ewven easier yeah 👍

[wary escarp]

And more consistent compare to the blue focus grapple combo on my case

[undone anchor]

definitely more consistent

for me they roll out from the crouch part

that one is soft

[rich olive]

[rich olive]

how good

what did the bot do

haven't played for a long time

we need to go back and hone our forgotten skills

although with real players everything will be different

[undone anchor]

?

where

[cinder thorn]

dragonslayer out of f1 is an extra like 400 free damage

that combo should work with any character with a restand though which is pretty cool

[undone anchor]

yep, although a bit different on kylin

[wary escarp]

Yes, but my muscle memory said "H O R I Z O N T A L"

[cinder thorn]

suboptimal combo only did 2500 damage instead of 3000 💔

[low sphinx]

Any pointers for combat I downloaded the game yesterday

[wary escarp]

Spare me, update it for me, wouldn't ya?

[undone anchor]

Check the pinned comments, there are a few guides on how everything works 👍👍

[flat onyx]

How fast does the grapple need to be for katana

[naive plaza]

for the basic grapple combo?

[flat onyx]

Yeah

Cuz I feel like the double alebard and swords is easier

The uppercut timing is faster?

[naive plaza]

i was using katana yesterday so heres in game footage but if youre looking for a video with input overlay theres probably some on YT

https://youtu.be/GJuBjk4ubFk?si=kj718oHH_Q4bqfNN this video is a little dated as it doesnt include fistblades for example but i used this to learn the beginner combos including katana

you want to cancel the uppercut animation with your grapple

[undone anchor]

halberds and blades are slower

there is more windup in the uppercut

feels faster because you dont leave the ground if done correctly

katana is easier if done with vertical focus, since it covers the ground better

[flat onyx]

Yeah, that’s what I was talking about

[flat onyx]

Vertical is faster?

[undone anchor]

nop

[flat onyx]

Then how is it different?

I feel like I get too high off the ground with katana

[flat onyx]

He got a lot higher of the ground and still hit though

[meager trail]

karana horizontal focus after grapple make your character step back abit

vertical doesn't

[undone anchor]

what is your fps?

[naive plaza]

i was using horizontal focus in the clip i shared, thats just the way i learned the combo 🤷‍♀️

[naive plaza]

its hard to say without a video of you attempting it but you might not be starting your blue charge fast enough then if theyre rolling out of the focus

[undone anchor]

or the grapple is too slow

if you leave the ground with katana

[worn badge]

Does 211 work with staff/spear and the free training bot?
Is it true?

[meager trail]

yes yes and yes

[worn badge]

So im too slow with this weapon type, ty

[flat onyx]

Omg i can finally do the basic grapple combo

Thank you everyone

[undone anchor]

wp!

[terse wave]

lkk

[coarse bay]

I have like 400 hours in the game and still can’t do grapple combos

[flat onyx]

Probably a ping thing

[undone anchor]

Can't do them consistently on console, it's a FPS problem , and most likely a timing one aswell

Ping doesn't really matter for this one, up to 110

[coarse bay]

@undone anchor that makes me feel relief in a way, but it’s also a problem for damage optimization and growth as a player in the game

[lusty cosmos]

Idk how true this is. I've seen a few console players that are cracked at combos

Also ping is a factor

[undone anchor]

Depends on the console 🤔👍

From my understanding most of them are capped at 70-60

Ping is less of a factor compared to fps up till 80-100, no? 🤔

[dim abyss]

u can do the combo on console

ive seen ps players do them np

you either didn't practice enough or you practiced wrong

but an important distinction to make is 400h of gameplay doesn't translate to being able to do something that requires specific practice and feedback

the grapple combo is learnable in 10 minutes if you have someone watching you and correcting your mistakes

and then 20-30 more minutes to get it consistently

[viscid kelp]

I had 600hrs before I learned any real combos

You can play casually, just because someone can't do a combo at 400h doesn't mean an fps/ping diagnosis is necessary

Both ping and fps matter heavily, and the lower fps/higher ping you are, the more they will compound to a struggle on combos, in particular for those involving a grapple

But some ppl also just don't really feel like trying super hard

[violet mural]

Can someone explain what is going on here? This player basically just button mashed regular combos on me and it canceled my blue charge 3 times in a row?

[viscid kelp]

At 7s they released a third stage horizontal melee attack, which is blue focus. It clashed with your blue focus
At 8s they sent out Yoto Hime's third F skill, that hovering blade. It blocks all weapon attacks, which is why at 13s your focus attack didn't do anything
At 18s your jump got cancelled by their grapple, if that info is required
At 21s you both used a light attack and thus clashed

[violet mural]

Ah man... right i guess i didn't take into acount the combo was started before they got in range, but good to know about that Yoto Hime skill as well though thanks for taking a look. I was ready to call shenanigans on that one 🤣 as you can see in the video i was literally just so flabbergasted at what happened there i just sort of gave up.

[viscid kelp]

No problem, yeah that happens sometimes when you don't understand what went on
You can test some abilities in free training, but properly understanding all interactions just takes time playing

[undone anchor]

@viscid kelp quick question, do you know if the slide focus can be used for LS aswell to start a third uppercut? 🤔

And also, do you have any hints on how to do it? I saw a clip today and I'm still trying to figure out what happened 🤔😂

[viscid kelp]

Never rly experimented much with focus slide combos tbh
Mainly since it doesn't exist in solos, so actually getting to use it for combos is not that common

[undone anchor]

I see 🤔

Wym by it does not exist in solos? 🤔

[naive plaza]

its literally not in solos

because its op. can be used to infinite people essentially (soft true iirc)

same way draco buff doesnt exist in solos

[compact island]

draco buff should not exist anywhere IMO, its so dumb

are people okay with that thing? or is it controversial?

[viscid kelp]

It used to not be very popular since draco didn't restore rage and lasted only a short time
Not sure how the perception has changed after it got buffed

But I personally always despised draco storm too
It's borderline impossible to fight and even if you didn't lose yang, you might just get rolled by it for no reason

Escaping is an idea but also tough with random lightning

I also hate stormstride because it randomly is detrimental for both the enemy and its user, but can also be excessively powerful for its user

[wise coral]

You and most of the players 😂

It’s OP and it’s the universal sign of “don’t touch this team”

[compact island]

That's good to hear hope it goes away then, how long has it been like this?

[cinder thorn]

you can still staff infinite with it right?

[undone anchor]

I see, I see 🤔👍👍

[flat onyx]

Oh yeah, saw it first time in duos

[runic palm]

How do you get better with combos

And mixups

And is anyone willing to coach me and help me improve on the game

[undone anchor]

Usually with practice; I reckon that watching the pinned guides here and in the #🙎┃character-guides channel is definitely helpful aswell

As for the coaching / training I can help, since you are in NA; I would recommend checking out #🏋┃dojo-coaching for that

[runic palm]

Ok thank you

What coaching/training would you be willing to help me with

[undone anchor]

Can help solely with combos since I am from EU and can't play with you nor get into a custom 🤔👍

[runic palm]

Can you change the servers on naraka

I don’t remember if you can or not

[meager trail]

you can

but the ping would be too high

can't do sht

[runic palm]

Oh ok

[runic palm]

What are some good hang sword/ katana combos

[undone anchor]

Check the pinned comments, there is a comprehensive guide / wiki of all combos for each weapon 👍

Divided per difficulty

But as a baseline try going for basic grapple combos

[runic palm]

Which # would that be

[undone anchor]

?

[undone anchor]

#🔱┃weapons-combat message

[runic palm]

Thank you

[undone anchor]

Np

[runic palm]

And how do you do grapple combos

[undone anchor]

Inputs are in the video 🤔

Cancel uppercut animation with grapple, bump the enemy in the air again, do a focus attack

In short

Hard part is timing, grapple position, precision in inputs

[runic palm]

Ok

[lusty cosmos]

An important mechanic to help with combos is input buffering. Which is basically queing up your next action during your current animation. So for example you can input crouch and vertical near the end of your horizontal animation

@runic palm

[runic palm]

Thank you

I didn’t know you could do that

[lusty cosmos]

[wary escarp]

For mixups and mind game, you have to improve it with experience, to get better, you have to fight against people more. Also keep your calm in stressful situation so that you don't go back to your muscle memory or panic is a good thing to do

[runic palm]

Ok thank you

[wary escarp]

People who know how to pressure you and force you into an uncomfortable situation will make use of your panic and win thank to that. At the same time, take a look at your opponent, you can exploit them the same way.

[runic palm]

That’s great advice thank you

[misty karma]

How do you counter double blades and claws (forgot the name)?

[undone anchor]

fistblades?

you play neutral; try to guess when the release, if they dont, when they hit you with a light attack , release in their face

fistblades it's a bit more tricky; need to understand when they release, their patterns

consider that most people do 2 dodges and then release

or simply dodge in your direction

dodge (tap dodge) back a few times when you see they are coming to you, and then after a while oyu should be able to tell what they usually do

[cinder thorn]

i've been able to pretty reliably dodge the purple focus projectile on the charged horisontal for a punish but the weapon is really hard to counter imo

[onyx loom]

🎉 | HuffleVEVO leveled up!

[cinder thorn]

just playing better and outspacing it feels sort of mandatory outside of prediction counters

since people generally don't like to release focus after 1 dodge and 3 costs a lot of stamina, baiting prediction counters with a delayed release or dodges with a hold dodge light attack feels almost mandatory

[misty karma]

Wdym by "release in their face"?

[cinder thorn]

release a focus attack

[wary escarp]

Also the weapon attack is not vertical at all, jumping and using grapple is somewhat safe to deal with them if they try to pressure you. If they release Horizontal 1st (which not alot do) or Vertical 2nd, you can react parry them

[wise coral]

If someone is already right on/close you how do you deal with the slap? Just have to iframe dodge it? Can't stand winning a fight and someone brings out a last sec slap as a free combo starter

#nerfslap2024

[undone anchor]

Dodge back and hit them when they are still stuck in the animation

[wise coral]

tap dodge?

[undone anchor]

Hold is better imo

But slightly harde

If you tap dodge back, they will have time to recover

[wise coral]

good to know ty ty ill try it out when I get pimp slapped again

[valid pawn]

jump parry is helpful against Firstblades

especially if the opponent has the habit of making many fast tap dodges

[misty karma]

what did I do wrong? and what was I supposed to do

[undone anchor]

first, when fighting you need to try and spend the most time you can in focus stance, since it allows you to not get staggered by light attacks

try to not aimlessly run around

secondly, tarka f does not allow for a full focus with its stagger, it's to start combos, namely with light attacks, like horizontal

and thirdly, you are just waiting for them to attack; no initiative

you are using fistblades, you can dash around while still charging the focus attack; it should be them on the defensive guessing what you are going to do

[wispy flax]

U also tried to use a light attack as a counter

But bc they did a 123, the last is a blue focus which overwrites ur attack

[primal perch]

holy fook, watch some youtube vids brother

[misty karma]

wow wow

[wary escarp]

Several things:
First from the couple first attack, this guy doing 123, which means they are new to the game, don't overthink what they will do, second time they did it you should have know there is a posibility.
Second, you can see that they jump attack which means F to defend yourself there is wasted.
Third, on Tarka's F, you can combo off the fist by uppercut, instead you went for non true focus attack which they F out of.
Fourth, you horizontal enemy off a hooked grapple, you should hold blue there to not get stagger from grapple bump.
Fifth, the second time they do 1-2-3, instead of making use of dodge or just read that they do 1-2-3 so you can parry, you retaliate with a non focus attack that will make you lose 80% of the situation.
Sixth, after got down to little hp, you got panic and keep dashing, rolling into a wall that cause you your stamina while make you unable to escape.

[cinder thorn]

you should probably also play a simpler character than tarka given how combo-reliant he is and work on your fundamentals

[misty karma]

peak embarrassment

anyway, ty for tips

I did panic its true

[wary escarp]

No shame in asking, if you ask, you will be a fool in a moment, if you don't ask, you will be a fool for the rest of time

[misty karma]

wise indeed

[misty karma]

Why cant I sometimes do the attack that sends enemies in the air?

[wispy flax]

U mean cV?

[misty karma]

idk what that is

[onyx loom]

🎉 | Xezor leveled up!
ℹ | Level up messages can be disabled for the guild with owo level disabletext

[misty karma]

I mean crouch+rmb

[wispy flax]

Crouch vertical
Default keybinding c and right mousebutton

[misty karma]

right

[wispy flax]

Erm, i dont know in what situation u mean it

But it counts as light attack

So u cant do it when somebody has blue focus

[undone anchor]

no embarassment 👍 ; we all started there

[undone anchor]

if you are doing it in a rush, it can simply be that the character didnt actually crouch, and you end up doing a normal vertical attack 👍

[viscid kelp]

Tarka F punch does allow 1.0 focus for most 1.0s

Tarka ult punch doesn't

[undone anchor]

If you are too slow it won't tho, need to hold focus instantly, no? 🤔

[viscid kelp]

Well, yes, but if you take 2 seconds to light attack it also doesn't allow a combo start

Of course there are timing requirements for everything

But Tarka F punch does very much allow a 1.0

Some very slow 1.0s might get soft combo broken, but those are rly the exception

[undone anchor]

Fair point

[misty karma]

What was I supposed to do if I'm being perma stunned? I have no clue. Btw, what is that character?

[undone anchor]

not stay still

u did 2 attacks both times they ulted

if you go back and dodge to the sides they wont hit you, both times

first one is redeamable, since you were fighting someone else, but second one u could've easily avoided 👍

also try to not jump in when someone is doing a combo if not with a blue attack 👍

[compact island]

are these all still working?

Im doing the fist, since it seems pretty easy, and I cannot seem to land the last kick consistently

or are these kind of things where "Bots can evade it but players can't"

[undone anchor]

Those are soft true combos and also false combos; if the person has low enough ms or high enough FPS they will dodge out

All that works on the bot, with 1 exception I can think of, works on real people aswell

#🔱┃weapons-combat message

Refer to this post for all basic combos ATM 👍👍

Or the most useful ones at least

[compact island]

well the fistblade one is there too, so I guess Im doing something wrong

also the fan is crazy, you have to comit to throwing the grapple and you do not even know if that launcher is landing

[undone anchor]

There are ways to make it sure it will

I just finished watching the video, depending on your FPS and positioning the dual blades follow-up after the focus is not going to hit, but all the rest is going to

[undone anchor]

Probably, got a clip of it? We can see togheter where to improve if you want 🤔👍

(for context, after the uppercut, try just spamming right click; it will be automatic)

[compact island]

Oh that would be cool, do not have anything to record myself atm, but Ill take you on that offer

[undone anchor]

Sure 👍👍

If it's combos ping me whenever you need 👍👍

I'll do my best to help

[compact island]

I do not think is my ping, Im at 32ms at evenning and 50ms at night

thats decent in my book

[undone anchor]

That's decent yeah 👍

For ping to affect combos it has to be over 100

[compact island]

I just suck atm

[undone anchor]

(with some variations)

[undone anchor]

We all started there, it's normal dw 👍👍

[compact island]

why advanced players do the dash out instead of in

arent you suppose to be on invul frames?

[undone anchor]

When doing a combo?

Or in general?

[compact island]

when doing combo

[undone anchor]

It resets your position and the attack

Going forward bumps you to the enemy, so it can mess up the position you were in (putting you to the side for example)

[compact island]

Ohh

I thought closer == better

[undone anchor]

You want to be in front of them or watching directly at them usually, because otherwise the uppercut will send them sideways

[undone anchor]

Yes and no

The hold dodge back into horizontal attack closes the distance back in for most weapons 👍

Consider it as a position and attack pattern reset

The only use for it, is to be able to do a second 1st stage light attack before an uppercut, to add a bit more dmg

U can do that also with a short hop reset (not recommended imo, cuz it's easy to mess up) or a crouch cancel (ACCA)

[compact island]

Oh yeah I understand you can link horizontal into dash horizontal with it, but I do it forward, way easier, but now you are telling me it can actually screw me over

so I better start getting the outdash cancel

timming

[undone anchor]

Same exact timing for all directions

You could also do it sideways if you want to reposition for example

[compact island]

Werid, I get it for foward all the time, and for back I fail a lot

[undone anchor]

Prolly your fingers are not yet used to dashing back 🤔

When I started it felt super uncomfortable to dash back

[compact island]

IDK, I feel it gets you out of range if you mess it up, with forward never happens to me

so I feel out is more strict

[undone anchor]

Mhh

If you get out of range you are tap dodging instead of hold dodging 🤔

Cuz hold dodge u can cancel the animation really quickly

[compact island]

Im pretty sure I lose it even on hold, tap is very different animation, Im not contradicting your statement, probably is same "Min" timing but Im thinking in has some frames to spare?

like if you mess it up

[undone anchor]

The hold dodge?

[compact island]

forward vs outward

[undone anchor]

Ah, nop, it shouldnt

But follow-up question: when do you input your horizontal when dashing?

Like, during it or at the end?

(brb in a bit)

[compact island]

at the end

when I feel the dash starts

before Icon pops

[meager trail]

that because you can still do the combo with the forward tap dodge, since the travel distance is short

but not side way or backward tap dodge

side way or backward you have to do hold dodge

[compact island]

If I tap the NPC can dodge before I can hit it even when forward

[wary escarp]

If possible, please provide a clip, it helps us identify where the problem lies

[compact island]

Oh no I am not asking for particular guidance yet, Just was wondering if the combos pinned were still doable

Eranicks already answered the question

[undone anchor]

Try right in the middle of the dash, it will queue the horizontal as quick as possible

No need to wait for the dash to end

[viscid kelp]

I need to update that one I just realized

Cuz of spear

Oh well

[pliant bough]

@compact island they are all true, c.lmb of fist got nerfed I believe, will still mostly hit on a player. For the duals you need to 180 spin your camera back and forth to hit the follow up or have good terrain

[undone anchor]

And decent FPS 👍

Bare minimum won't work

Or so usually it's how I learned it

[pliant bough]

True you meed decent fps

[undone anchor]

Can do it when I'm at 110, but not on 85

[pliant bough]

I know how it is to play with low fps

[undone anchor]

Fistblades crouch got nerfed, but 2 you can still chain if the enemy is higher ping

[pliant bough]

When I first played naraka it was on a 1060 6gb with a i7 4470 xD

[undone anchor]

Still need to discover the beauty of high FPS 😂😂

[undone anchor]

Same 😂😂

And still there now

Maybe a bit worse

[pliant bough]

Enjoying the beauty of a 7800x3d w 4070ti now

So worth it

Best purchase of my life

[undone anchor]

I can imagine 😂

[compact island]

Okay, then it was not me, sometimes I land the finisher kick other don't on the bot

The fan one still works? that one driving me crazy

I can sometimes land the others grapple combo, but that one it just does not come out

[compact island]

are you familiar with parsec?

[undone anchor]

Parsec?

[compact island]

I guess thats a no, haha

[pliant bough]

Yes it does

[compact island]

Okay I am doing something very wrong then

Ill keep trying

[undone anchor]

Rings a bell, but I fear not

[compact island]

Its a software so I could stream directly from my pc to you, for the offer you made

also is it me or normal fist launcher seems better than special jade launcher? I mean is cool that is a Shoryu ken

but seems like a downgrade

[undone anchor]

?

Fist launcher?

U mean skypunch?

[compact island]

yes

[undone anchor]

It's generally a downgrade

But it has it's uses

[meager trail]

works for me

[undone anchor]

Like tarka ult

[compact island]

So I was not wrong, any site/link to the crappy souljades, I was checking everyone and many seems like that one

[compact island]

maybe you are right then, wonder why sometimes it fails to connect then

[meager trail]

because you was slow

[undone anchor]

There are worse ones

[compact island]

https://tenor.com/view/key-and-peele-jordan-peele-yikes-gif-24593175

[meager trail]

generally speaking you don't use tap dodge on this, but what i meant to say is if you do it forward, even if you failed to do a hold dodge (you did a tap dodge instead), you can still execute the combo

but sideway and backward must be hold dodge

[undone anchor]

Yep

[compact island]

withevery weapon or just katana? I am almost sure it didnt work with longsword and fist

[undone anchor]

And tap dodge for slow weapons like spear won't work

[undone anchor]

Fist it does not work

LS it does

It's the fastest hitting weapon we have, faster than katana

After dagger and fan

[compact island]

I see

See, this is what is weird to me, if LS is faster than katana then why katana seems easier to do than LS for me

I got some wrong cables

haha

[meager trail]

ls and fist both work

[undone anchor]

Prolly because clicking left click is easier

LS is right click for combo starter

[compact island]

Im on a controller

[meager trail]

still tap dodge forward

[compact island]

welp, cannot argue with that

[meager trail]

but this is just to answer your question about why sometimes it works sometimes it doesn't

to be clear, on this combo you ALWAYS want to use hold dodge

knowing tap dodge forward also works is just like an emergency solution

[compact island]

Why? Does not tap has more invul frames?

[meager trail]

but also longer animation lock
also why do you want iframes on this combo anyway?

[compact island]

incase they combo break?

[meager trail]

nah you got it wrong

tap dodge got more iframes DURING the dodge, which is longer distance than hold dodge

[compact island]

I know

but if they press skill right after first hit

would not I dodge it?

[meager trail]

and if you want to execute this combo you want to dash as short as possible

[compact island]

or do combo breakers, have way more active frames?

[meager trail]

it doesn't matter cuz with this short travel distance hold dodge and tap dodge got the same amount of iframes time

[compact island]

I see

[meager trail]

it only different if you do a max range tap dodge

which is sideway or backward

[compact island]

had no idea there were different distances with tap dodge, I thought it was fixed distance for tap

[meager trail]

forward shortest, sideway mid range, backward farthest

and out-of-combat tap dodge is even longer than in-combat tap dodge

so there's the repair dodge, heal dodge and bomb dodge technique

[compact island]

Ohhh

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-patrick-star-notes-noted-gif-26232003

Thanks for the info

[undone anchor]

But as a rule of thumb consider this

Tap dodge : dodging away

Hold dodge: everything that's combo related

[meager trail]

yeah when you use tap dodge it almost always is to back off

not to initiate

[compact island]

Yeah never intended to do tap for combos, but as tabbie pointed out, that was probably the reason why forward was easier for me

[meager trail]

though it's not the same with hold dodge

[compact island]

https://tenor.com/view/chris-pratt-andy-dwyer-omg-shocked-face-meme-gif-25585329

[meager trail]

you'll soon find out in most situation hold dodge is better than tap dodge, even when you want to retreat and keeping distance

[compact island]

Im no longer Poo

https://tenor.com/view/bb-baby-yes-celebrate-happy-gif-15513304

[compact island]

yeah this gonna take a long time, for proper spacing, I keep trying to whiff punishi and failing miserably

[daring kayak]

is the combat mode setting accurate to how real players are able to escape combos?

[onyx loom]

🎉 | tippytapdance leveled up!

[daring kayak]

^ in training grounds

[meager trail]

not always

but most of the time you can count on it

[undone anchor]

Yes

Except a few interactions like Kylin f2 cancel

[daring kayak]

ok plz help me what am i doing wrong

[meager trail]

slow grapple

[daring kayak]

when should i send it out

[meager trail]

when your cV hits

[daring kayak]

alright ty!

[undone anchor]

consider that your goal is to not leave the ground when you grapple 👍

this is how it should look 👍

[summer wasp]

Soon as you have done the input for CV you can hit your grapple, you can pretty much cancel the entire animation for the CV so you barely see your weapon swing and won't leave the ground at all :)

[daring kayak]

why is it still not working i spam the grapple button the second it sends out my cv

[meager trail]

this time your grapple timing was right

but the blue charge was slow

pre-input the blue charge, as soon as grapple fired, before you actually bumped into target you can start charging already

[daring kayak]

let me try that rqqq

it wont let me pre input the charge

[meager trail]

maybe try vertical charge instead of horizontal

[daring kayak]

same thing happens

[meager trail]

you can see when my character bumped into target, he does the charge animation immediately

compare to yours, you got a ''landing'' animation before your character does the charge

horizontal charge make your character step back abit

so without proper grapple position and camera controlling you gonna miss the blue release

vertical is simplier

since there's no step back

don't spam any move, press them just once but be precise

[daring kayak]

i’m instantly holding charge once the grapple hits the ground but the landing animation still shows up 💔

[meager trail]

more practice and you should be able to execute it

the mechanics are there

[daring kayak]

really dumb question but could it be related to my framerate

[meager trail]

hm fps you having

[daring kayak]

55-75

[meager trail]

that's rough

[daring kayak]

could that be the reason tho

[meager trail]

limited my fps to 50 and yeah the combo stop working

[daring kayak]

ok great at least i know it’s not my fault

does that mean that most combos won’t work for me

[meager trail]

ehh idk

[vocal silo]

how do i charge focus mid air

is it has something to do with weapon swapping?

[meager trail]

hold after a mid air side way/backward dash

[vocal silo]

not work the bot kept dashing off

it similar to grapple combo but without the grapple

[meager trail]

bro you asked how to focus charge mid air

[meager trail]

this combo is called 211

there's plenty guide on youtube

[vocal silo]

i see thanks

[undone anchor]

Careful, it's an advanced combo 👍

In case

If the dodge timing isn't precise and the cancel as short as it can be, it won't work

[wary escarp]

Still, on your videos, your focus release is a bit late, usually you want to release at 1.0 but due to a bit of delay, it should be around 0.95, if you wait until it flash blue then your character will be release at around 1.08 at best

[daring kayak]

so i actually release it before i hear the charge sound?

[wary escarp]

Yeah, a little bit sooner than the sound

[daring kayak]

lemme try rq

[wary escarp]

Matter of practice, about the fps, yeah it sucks but if your fps is low, try consider down grade the visual of this game (turn everything to low)

[daring kayak]

everything is on low T_T

i tried playing with the render scale at 25 aswell but no differnece other that my eyes start tearing up because its so blurry LMAO

[wary escarp]

Not recommending going that low, 70 at the minimum

[daring kayak]

yea im usually at 72

[daring kayak]

omg its finally working thanks to this tip i just need to figure out the timing exactly because it works like once evry 20 times thank u everyone

[wary escarp]

Glad to help

[undone anchor]

65 + they are doable

So most likely you are slow on the execution somewhere 🤔👍

The lower the fps, the more precise u need to be

[cinder thorn]

your release seemed slightly delayed for the first and your grapple bump wasn't ideal for the second since your grapple was late

[compact island]

Now I am wondering if my FPS could be messing with me

whats the optimal number for combos? 60 like most fighting games?

also how do I display my FPS on screen

[livid tiger]

how do you even get the two Horizontal strikes in 😖 the grapple combo I'm actually able to pull off, but H-dodge-H don't work for me. I also have only 60 FPS. Does that actually matter? And I was wondering if my keyboard sucks too, do I need a gaming keyboard?

[summer wasp]

Depends on if your tap dodging or hold dodging, hold dodging your 100% guarenteed to be able to get the 2 hits in providing no combo break etc and that it's not with a few certain weapons, but if tap dodging unless your tap dodging forwards you won't get the 2 horizontals in 90% of the time. So moral of the story, always hold dodge for the combo but yeah the 60 FPS is rough and will make combos alot more difficult and need to be practically perfect timed for everything

[wary escarp]

The higher the better, after the netcode change, grapple combo only be consistent for me once the FPS is 80 or higher

[compact island]

damn, that is very high for a basic combo, where do I check my FPS?

[wary escarp]

I just use steam overlay

Also guess why I'm playing this game with 70% render scaling

[compact island]

damn, Im in epic, the game does not has an option for display? I mean it should if its that demanding for basic stuff

[wary escarp]

There should be some other app that help you with it, but I am not familiar with any of them

[compact island]

so I cannot see how much FPS im getting but I had the cap at 60, just moved the cap to 120 and got it at first try

game is freaking weird

[wary escarp]

Lmao

[compact island]

why does it do that

[wary escarp]

Uncap it tbh

[wary escarp]

Something something with Unity Engine

I heard people talking about Unity Engine handle animation speed with FPS

[compact island]

@undone anchor So Vang said that FPS lower than 80 screw you over, IDK what is my FPS but I had it capped at 60, I took the cap off to 120, got it the fan combo at first try no problem

Should not be like that, netease is doing something wrong

@wary escarp Well thanks man, you found the problem, I think is dumb, everything should work at 60 frame but oh wells thats netease crapshow not us

Could that also be affecting my parries?

[wary escarp]

Most of the thing got effected by FPS so yes

[cinder thorn]

most animations are slightly (and sometimes pretty substantially) faster as you increase framerate

[wary escarp]

Tho for parry, it usually ping heavy rather than FPS

[compact island]

my ping is decent enough 32~evening 50 at nights

[wary escarp]

If you want to learn about this game wackery then I can bbe of help sometimes

Did you know this game has a start-up animation for most thing in which you can cancel by going from already start-up move to it

[compact island]

I do not think I understand what you mean

also the camera movement is so freaking fast now

there is some shitty coding practices going on here for sure

[wary escarp]

I will show you an example, I know my wording is like a needle in a haystack on fire got pushed down into a ravine

[compact island]

damn, combos are just so easy now, I was starting to believe I was just trash

[wary escarp]

Take me like 30 minutes to open this game

[compact island]

ouch

need new hard drive

Ah you mean like getting a move startup and canceling with another move without its startup?

some kind of feint

[wary escarp]

Yeah, like this

The first one need a start up animation, while the second one, blue focus act as start up and override the startup and send out right away. This example is just to show, it is pretty useless in game

However this is really important when it comes to parry using composite parry (this knows as scissor parry). This removes the start up animation for parry and makes it comes out faster

[compact island]

what exactly is scissor parry?

[wary escarp]

Holding focus but before the first charge, release the holding and press the opposite attack button

[compact island]

IDK if its because of the stupid triggers(They should sell controllers withouanalogbackbuttons) but is it normall that it detects release as a press?

[wary escarp]

wdym?

[compact island]

like I do what you say, I get the parry but if I keep pressing the trigger after a period of time then release she throws an atk

on release

[wary escarp]

Have you turn on composite parry in the setting?

[compact island]

I get the parry pressing the two buttons

my question is

Is it normal to get an atk on button release

[wary escarp]

Yeah, on button release it should send out an attack

[compact island]

okay

then is normal, Just have to unpress quicker

[wary escarp]

If the attack got send out instead of parry, it could be 1 of 2 problems:

1. You pressing the other attack button too late
2. You hold focus over the first charge

[compact island]

Oh no thats not the problem, the stuff I get is sometimes I get an atk after the parry

I just need to get use to tap the button fast

no real issue

[wary escarp]

Oh I see, yeah then problem might be because you over hold the attack button and the game see it as you buffer an attack

[compact island]

yeah the fact that it detect release as a press

is just wrong IMO

[summer wasp]

You will find most games with combat systems like naraka everything from animation speed and hit detection to DPS will all be increased with higher frame rates, it's not just netease coding, it's just generally the way these games are coded to allow the way the combat flows

[compact island]

well I come from fighting games all combos work as intended if your game meets the minimum requirements

[wary escarp]

The problem with this game is it got affected quite significant, enough so that you can notice with your own eyes.

[compact island]

if your basic mechanics as combos do not work as intended with minimum settings you are doing it very very wrong

[wary escarp]

Well, at least they are taking the right step to at least communicating with the community

They have attemped to fix the problems before, which grants less than ideal reaction

[compact island]

The thing is that the issue is BIG, I mean I am a newbie at the game, but man I know I have pulled some heavy combos in otherb games, and I just could not land these basic ones, took the cap off from 60

everything is too easy now

different is HUGE

animations should not be linked to your FPS in anyway

that is why you use delta time when coding

time is static

[summer wasp]

Fighting games such as Tekken are not remotely similar to games like naraka, whilst Tekken etc are yes very technical, it's not the same style of fighting, play a game like black desert online for example where out of any game I've played realistically it has the most similar combat system to naraka, that game literally everything down to the ability to even hit your target is increased with FPS I can't say I notice it because I can run naraka on max graphics with 150+ FPS, but to not be able to run the game on the lowest settings at 60-80 FPS your system probably isn't really up to scratch to run it anyway 😅 I know that isn't the issue but as I said, the way alot of these games with such in depth combat systems are made it ends up having links to your FPS most of the time, I haven't played any game with combat like this that doesn't have it, probably just huge complications when coding it in a normal way and dont allow the functionality they are going for

[compact island]

I played black desert not remotely close to this game

and I am not saying is not an issue in other places

I am saying is freaking wrong

black desert is not a big issue cuz precision is not really a part of it, its an RPG so it all ends up with stats increase at the end

so I never had a problem with it

but this you are literally saying that a guy at 60 FPS will never win vs a guy with 80 the advantage is huge

[wary escarp]

You can consider writing a post in #1266666196552519742, they just implement a weekly respond to feedback this week, so I'm watching if they acknowledge respond like this

[compact island]

I mean unles they are both really new and just go with charge atks

[wary escarp]

Post like this have existed for ever since I joined, and I keen to watch if they will attemp to respond and letting us know what they are doing lmao

[compact island]

the thing with this, is that if they didnt code their stuff using delta time, the game foundings have to be redone

is not something you can just "Fix"

its fundamentally broken

[wary escarp]

I feel attacked

[compact island]

naraka is a very nice concept and I like it, but man the more I learn the more I see how poorly developed is, sadly

[undone anchor]

60 FPS u can't do combos, no. 👍 Game is FPS dependant because it's programmed in unity; no way around that

[wary escarp]

Guess where the Naraka 2 joke came from

[compact island]

There is way around it, I code in unity

[wary escarp]

It is fundamentally broken and everyone know it

[wary escarp]

Execute of combat system is really nice, but the way everything seems like it belong to a spaghetti mess is uhhhh

[compact island]

https://tenor.com/view/jake-johnson-nodding-nodding-head-i-agree-i-approve-gif-27480928

I mean not really an issue for me, I can run it at 120 but is still very wrong

I guess we have to hope for naraka 2 then

haha

[wary escarp]

I have been playing this game for a year now, with less than ideal stuffs and ughhhh

[wary escarp]

If I'm not mistaken, some advance combos are not doable till you have like 200fps

[compact island]

Yeah I would not be even remotely surprised

the sky is the limit

haha

very dumb

[wary escarp]

I have spent a lot of time playing this game by bug testing lmao

[summer wasp]

I hate to disagree with you here but as someone who has over 15k hours in black desert and it ultimately is primarily a game focused on PvP, believe me, that game is far worse coded in that respect, you can out gear someone on black desert by a good amount but if your running 90 FPS and he's running 140, his damage will feel like double yours and his iframes will last twice as long and well if you iframe in that game and he throws a cc out even just after you've iframed, it will still hit because of his frames being ahead of yours. Trust me, that game is much worse yes it is an RPG but it was designed to be a PvP game. Either way, Naraka is fine and ultimately on lowest graphics it's really not that system intensive so only the lowest spec setups can't run it at 80+ FPS. But yeah, alot of the big dev tools like unity used to make games are ass so

[wary escarp]

Also, ping affected how much stagger you ditching out, the lower, the longer the stagger

[compact island]

My point is the game was not made for that, if players found a way to enjoy it like that cool, but developers never even thought about it

they just went you press 1 hit your skill wait for cooldown

[summer wasp]

In black desert? Lol nah see now I know you didn't touch the game, no one who plays that game has ever used hotbar skilling 😂

[compact island]

and the problem with having your stuff hitting based on FPS is that sky is the limit

the higher your FPS the more stuff that will be possible

it is fundamentally wrong

[summer wasp]

Yeah ofcourse, I don't disagree with that

[compact island]

I know it has commands, man, oh boy

you know what I mean

[wary escarp]

Also, funny, if you have 1 fps in this game, 1 non focus horizontal takes 5 seconds to come out

Lower FPS also eat your input

[summer wasp]

But at the same time, it's what we have and they clearly can't figure out a way round it without messing up the game otherwise they likely would of by now, or it's just not that big a deal because only the 1% don't have systems who can run it

[wary escarp]

Oh boy, luckily the 99% is CN playerbase aren't it?

[summer wasp]

I'm just saying the Devs did think about it in BDO, hence why they developed their own entire framework for the game rather than using unity or UE, but yeah

[compact island]

As I already said is not possible, if you do not consider that as an issue when coding your game, the foundation is not made for it, and is just not possible to "Fix"

you HAVE to remake the foundation

which means pretty much redoing the engine

[summer wasp]

Eh? No just the 99% have a computer that can run the game bro, it's not only Chinese that have access to buy themselves a functional pc 😂

[wary escarp]

I heard the conversation in which people dissatisfied with Naraka being bad in that aspects from both old players, some e-sport participants where ping and fps affected the game so bad, playing against people with different FPS and ping feel uncomfortable

[compact island]

Its just dumb

but welp the thing with naraka is like we cannot just go to the other naraka

it is very unique

haha

[wary escarp]

In CN server, they have multiple server to avoid situation causing ping to rise and FPS for them is not as big as a problem if you go to net coffee. Meanwhile other server have lacking server node and lacking playerbase, some people have to choose between 2 server with both equally high ping

[wary escarp]

We have Naraka mobile

[summer wasp]

Ping yeah, pretty unavoidable depending on where your located and access to better speeds etc, as for FPS I can't talk for the old days but it's fine now aslong as your pc can handle it, and I'm not trying to be an ass, but ultimately if your getting into pc gaming, you need to go in knowing your going to need to spend some money to buy a pc that can effectively run the games you want to play, personally I couldn't even dream of playing a game under 120fps now, 60fps honestly hurts my eyes with how disgusting it is 😂

[wary escarp]

Guess I just used to looking at disgusting stuffs then

[compact island]

Ping is currently unavoidable, yes

and I see a very long time for the moment it stop being an issue

but that get your super PC or bail take is not okay

while I have a good PC and can run the game at 120

it should not be something that destroys the games basic mechanics

[summer wasp]

Well until you are accustom to higher you don't notice it, I never did back on console etc, but after playing constantly on between 140-240fps going back to 60 was torture 😂

[compact island]

I do not mind playing at 30 FPS

or at 120

as long as the game works as intended

I adapt

[wary escarp]

Dreaming of Naraka 2 is like dreaming of winning a lottery now, unless Naraka mobile grow big enough for them to affording building Naraka from the ground up

[wary escarp]

I have better before, I just adapt to what I have

[compact island]

the thing is that game learning curve is what make it cool to me, if they just go overwatch take and you can just kill everyone pressing Q, to get more people it would just be boring for me

so I can get monkey pawed here easily

[summer wasp]

But the game came out in 2021, every single year each game that releases comes with higher system requirements because the gaming industry and visual quality of games is advancing because that's what people want, no one wants to move backwards. Everything costs money and you can't expect developers to make their game worse for the smaller percent of players because they can't afford to buy a better pc

[compact island]

I do not want the game to be less complex so the masses can jump in

like rivals right now

[wary escarp]

I don't neither

The complexity is what makes people stick to Naraka

[compact island]

you say this but games are pretty much the same shit, since a decade ago, they just wondering how to bounce light more times instead of actually advancing the complexity of games

[summer wasp]

Not to mention the game is literally free now also with pay for gacha/cosmetics which is completely optional so realistically we can't complain about much. If it was $65 off the shelf like most games these days delivering poor quality it's understandable, or a pay to play sub based then yeah, but it's a free game 🤷‍♂️

[compact island]

I just think they didnt think it through, hahahah

they made a whoopsie