👾┃showdown

[limpid pecan]

she is so chill to play too

[fierce light]

Personification of the Ice Meta.

[hidden creek]

2:35 topaz 😭

[fierce light]

I'm glad Bow feels good as well

Crazy how fast it is Solo compared to Trios.

[limpid pecan]

i hate how we need to hit exactly 2nd stage bow

with the variable holding time

and dogshit indicators

[fierce light]

I think it's a fair trade off for the damage it does.

Don't have to aim as hard as Musket

[limpid pecan]

if there were better animations for it

i wouldnt mind

but rn it feels like absolute trash

[hidden creek]

do you think it's better for justina to be bossing or mobbing on peak?

[limpid pecan]

bro just solo the peak with justina

[fierce light]

Oh wow

[limpid pecan]

she doesnt need some snails in party

[fierce light]

Just cleared this Yama's faster with barely built Musket faster than I did with Maxed Ziping.

[hidden creek]

i'm fairly certain eerie huanyue gonna give me a hard time

[fierce light]

Probably bossing. That ultimate does so much especially on a down.

• Justina + Bow user on bosses.
• Ziping/Tessa/Wuchen/Feria/Matari on mobs.

[limpid pecan]

she just a furry

[hidden creek]

ye i also thought her V is too good to not be used on bosses

[limpid pecan]

tho im worried

what will the eerie super ultimate move

normal huanyue is already rather crazy

[fierce light]

Found a more optimal Toxin Surge build last night too:

• Pestilent Pool
• Infectious Touch
• Miasma Drive
• Element Surge (Poison-Wielding)
• Toxin Seep
• Toxified Chain

[hidden creek]

ew poison

https://tenor.com/view/stormviking-stormviking010-storm-gifs-justin-timberlake-gif-4425345313093066812

[fierce light]

Updated some of the old parses, it's not that far behind Ice anymore after the buffs.

[hidden creek]

wtf am i seeing

FS zip does more dps than FS justina?

[fierce light]

In theory

In practice no, cause bosses aren't going to sit there and let you Razor Swift spam it

[hidden creek]

640 attk, 28% dmg to boss, 25% ranged weapon dmg bow good enuf for peak yet?

[fierce light]

Sounds like you're half-way there.

[hidden creek]

🥹 is that a no?

[hard storm]

Is double windfall on the same souljade ok?

[hidden creek]

totally ok

well, on most builds

[hard storm]

just wonderin lol tried to add the flux jade to frostbite chain

[hidden creek]

on most builds you want 2 main stats and 2 rares on each jade

[hard storm]

kinda of a dream to get two rare on each jade buuut yea

[hidden creek]

well

i guess so, can't call it easy

[fierce light]

Yeah should be good though, plenty of damage.

[fickle linden]

swapped tundra might to the new elemental surge jade or whatever it's called

cost me like 500 shards to get windfall on it wtf

[fierce light]

To be exact, you have:

• 60.91% of max Attack attributes.
• 57.73% of max DMG to Bosses.
• 58.82% of max Ranged Weapon DMG.

[hidden creek]

that's what they get for stealing my justina heheheh

[fierce light]

Main reason I want my Bow build finished, cause ik there are going to be some Justina hogs.

Ooo looks like I got some competition

[hard storm]

Heh

[limpid pecan]

fight for ur ice queen

[fierce light]

Bruh Huanye's AoE attack is so cancer

[hard storm]

????

[hidden creek]

hmm
let's say i got 2x of ice/poison/thunder imbue on my bow build
then i got 25% mod on it
so when i proc 3 elements at once will my F cd reduced by 75% or 25%?

[fierce light]

More like ~58%

[hidden creek]

huh why 🥹

[fierce light]

It doesn't combine them it does them in succession iirc

So it'll be like
( ( 20s - 25% ) - 25% ) - 25%

( (20s * 75%) * 75%) * 75% = 8.44s
-25% = 1 - 25%

[hidden creek]

🤔

oh well

[fierce light]

So you'd need at least 50% Mod if you're trying to spam Skills

Honestly, Tessa's Skill buff lasts 10s, so it's unnecessary to get more than 25%.

Hmm, think I just found a way to make it through Huanye's (Phase 1) AoE consistently.

[hidden creek]

the aoe with the indicator on the ground?

[fierce light]

Yeah

You just dodge roll either away or towards her at 2 specific times.

Don't even have to switch to melee

[hidden creek]

i think i remember someone said that if you maintain a certain distance from her when she begin to cast the skill

then the safe zone will always be at her feet

[fierce light]

I heard that too, but it seems random.

Can only know when the sand stops swirling, what she's about to do.

[hidden creek]

lemme go check flamebane's vid

[fierce light]

Wow it's so easy now lol. The trios timing will probably be different, but this is what I do for Manticore's Lightning anyway.

[hidden creek]

his guide said that depends on her animation after the sandstorm vanish

• if she stand in the place then the safe zone is far away (the attack radius is not too big and won't cover the area completely)
• if she jumps back then the safe zone will be at her feet (the attack radius is big, covering the entire area)

[fierce light]

Yeah

When the sand goes away you can tell what's about to happen

But that's often too late if you're not going to iframe through like my method.

You can keep doing damage with mine instead of having to keep a middle distance

[hidden creek]

inb4 her eerie version got multiple delayed and fake moves

[fierce light]

Someone named Oblivion putting up a fight.

[limpid pecan]

maybe just stand in the middle

so u have time to move in safe zone but also time to move out completely

[hidden creek]

yea that's the tactic but still hard to pull off cuz the attack is quite fast

[fierce light]

Think it'll cut off like a couple seconds just iframing it

[hidden creek]

anyway
FS is finished and ILC lacking 2 wf for me
guess that's enough for now, gonna focus on bow

also i just noticed

that you should wait for 100% rage and use 2x ult in a row with justina

because when the ice trail exist you got rage gain ban

[fierce light]

Yup

[hidden creek]

2x full hits justina ult on downed boss gonna does alot of damages

[fierce light]

And makes your Aegis-Break hit harder than Feria's Skill (w/ Aegis-Break Rage).

[hidden creek]

damn

i know that her V enhance her aegis break

but i didn't know it's that big

[fierce light]

2 big multipliers on it

3.1x from Aegis-Break Rage and 2.73x from Ultimate.

[hidden creek]

multiplicatively?

[fierce light]

Yup

[hidden creek]

aegis break rage is 2.1 multiply tho

[fierce light]

Yeah it reads kinda weird.

[hidden creek]

so it's 100% plus 210%?

[fierce light]

But it essentially adds 210% extra DMG to Health. So 100% (base) + 210% (Aegis-Break Rage).

[hidden creek]

ahhh

[fierce light]

While the Ultimate increases the DMG Multiplier of her Aegis-Break and Defuse Counterattack

So you can get increased accumulation as well. Helpful if you miss your Skill.

[hidden creek]

i thought the accumulation rate only consider the base dmg of the attack?

[amber terrace]

[fierce light]

Yeah, the Ultimate increases that.

[hidden creek]

damn

[fierce light]

Quadruple dash tech.

[hidden creek]

lol

[heavy gulch]

Whats ur build

[fierce light]

Frost Surge.
-# Check the pins.

[heavy gulch]

yea but which attributes u have?

and guys i accidentally gave someone leader to my chamber is there a way to get it back?

[fierce light]

• x6 Attack
• x6 Ice Blast DMG
• x4 [Moderation]
• x8 [Windfall]

[fierce light]

Not that ik of, but can try asking in #❓┃help

[formal lark]

what would be a thunderbuild and rare attributes?

I mean the rare attributes?

mod

windfall

scorch?

[fierce light]

Depends on the kind you're going.

But generally you want at least 6 Windfalls.

You don't go for Scorching, unless you're going for a Thunder Scorch build in particular, which uses Draco Stride.

[formal lark]

kk so 4x mod rest windfall I guess

[fierce light]

Thunder has a particularly low accumulation rate, so Moderation isn't as effective either.

[formal lark]

right now, Ice>Poisen>Thunder?

[fierce light]

Yes

[fierce light]

Got my last Windfall on my Bow build, now just to max it.

[amber terrace]

[amber terrace]

i can do 6

[hard storm]

congrats on your windfall on your build xD

[fierce light]

😯

[cursive fable]

@fierce light hi bro

[drifting lance]

🎉 | genesect__ leveled up!

[fierce light]

Hey

[balmy coral]

I love how Justina melts everything with just F

[fierce light]

Yeah my fastest run in Yama's I didn't even have time to use her Ultimate lol just spamming F

[lone umbra]

So for this we have to have chain crush ready, right?
So it is F -> uncharge attack -> F -> unchanged -> F -> freeze -> F?

[fierce light]

Yup, either have it ready before or have it come up on your first Ice Blast out of Frost Surge. So it'll activate the 2nd Ice Blast that will freeze you.

[lone umbra]

Can't wait to see justina in peak now

She destroys the lvl 100 topaz bosses in seconds

[fierce light]

Likely going to be using Bow watching Justina zoom around haha

[lone umbra]

Lol

So it is justina/Tessa/zip?

Zip for farming?

[fierce light]

Likely so

[lone umbra]

I have to take care of zip F freeze protection
Sometimes I forget I m on zip F protection and lose my F of justina

[peak finch]

can anyone explain how he does huge damage to astral aegis here?
https://vt.tiktok.com/ZSBJXvdfH/

I can finish the first boss faster than him but my blocker is the astral aegis damage on the second boss

[cursive fable]

@fierce light whats the best build for tessa ?

i think justina will just be perma picked by temmate

i assume tessa use surge?

[fierce light]

You doing the follow-up after the Skill? It doesn't do much Health DMG, but it deals Bonus Aegis DMG.

So far this my fastest, but it looks like they used the +5 Ice-Wielding trick

[fierce light]

She can use Surge or ILC. Hard to say which is better for mobbing as Surge has higher stats while ILC does more Ice Blast DMG against multiple enemies.

If you're bossing though, you'll definitely want to use Bow (Desperate Arrows).

[peak finch]

Yes I do

[peak finch]

Yes he does, I always finish the first boss within 9-10 secs using that method

[peak finch]

Because of the aegis damage the boss always starts the storm

[fierce light]

Yeah the reduced damage from +5 Ice-Wielding, hitting 2 Skills and their Follow-ups, allowed him to do enough damage in time probably.

I tried it with my Ultimate earlier and it was making the boss start the storm instantly.

[peak finch]

Well I think he used the ultimate

1 skill -> ultimate -> wait cd -> 2 skills -> the boss dead
That's what he did in the 2nd phase

But he deals more astral aegis damage, i don't know why

[fierce light]

You got the +6% node in the potential?

[peak finch]

I tried this too but it didn't make a big difference

[fierce light]

Oh nice, just got 24s with that strat

[peak finch]

You tried it?

[fierce light]

Yeah it worked even at +6 Wielding lol

[peak finch]

I mean 1 poison 5 ice

[fierce light]

Nope, not wasting imbues for Astral 3

The strat works at +6 it seems anyway

It's just you can't activate Surge as quick

[peak finch]

I tried for learning purpose

I know in paragon 10 we wouldn't need astral aegis damage

[peak finch]

Yes when you full ice

Does poison wielding on a certain souljade give more astral aegis damage than others?

[fierce light]

No, that doesn't affect the aegis damage

Decreases your Ice Blast DMG by 1/7th

and some of your accumulation, but not enough to matter for Justina

[peak finch]

Ok then I am shocked of the damage he does maybe he converted one of the attack attributes to dmg to astral aegis + the potential

Do you have a record of your 24 sec run?

[fierce light]

Yeah, I have to upload it

Trying to replicate it, but there's a tight window

Where I have to hit the follow-up of the 3rd skill before Ice Thorn hits

and that'll make the boss die in 10s

[peak finch]

Oh ok got it

[fierce light]

Oh I forgot about Poison Blast activating Moderation too

[peak finch]

Yes

With the poison wielding you can do 4 skills in a row then wait for the cd in the 5th one

[fierce light]

24s might be the fastest I can do atm

Cut 2s off my previous time cause I was skipping my 2nd Ice Thorn unknowingly.

[fierce light]

https://www.xbox.com/play/media/ngNBizAuat

[cursive fable]

hi drk

@fierce light who would be the best jungler in peak?

i think ziping+justina sit boss?

[balmy coral]

Dope

[lone umbra]

If running zip, justina and Tessa then zip would be farming the mobs
As Tessa uses bow and justina tank

Else zip may want to side by justina

[fierce light]

If Justina is bossing, then next best would be Ziping for mobbing.

[hidden creek]

zip would be the best for mobbing

because her skill and ult are global

and obviously you don't want to pass on justina on boss

second bossing could be whatever ig

tessa is still the top choice

obviously

[peak finch]

Nice game i don't know why the boss goes to the middle very fast with me

[balmy coral]

more work for zip tan justina

rip

Release inferno please make zip everyone's main again

[balmy coral]

Speedrunning is more of if the boss do smth weird jus reset

Thats how Yama works

[fierce light]

Yeah when I tried fitting in her Ultimate before, it would instantly teleport to the middle. Idk why it didn't that time.

[balmy coral]

I did notice that when I was doing Tessa speed run

Boss algorithm matter a lot

You gotta find that perfect attack pattern

[fierce light]

Gonna have to calc if 5 Ice-Wielding Justina is worth it for longer fights.

[balmy coral]

Isn't Justina for that mod F and ult downs

[fierce light]

You'll be in Element Surge state longer, but it'll be like not even having the buffs.

[fierce light]

Hmm I think they had to run Hydro's Bound as well, so that's even less buffs

[viscid wraith]

Where's my SnD

[fickle linden]

that's the dream. i would finally burn more than 600 fatigue if SnD came back

[fierce light]

Yeah I thought they mentioned it earlier

Ziping and Justina going to be nasty in there.

[lone umbra]

Justina become cannon ball there
Dash and booms

[viscid wraith]

Just stand there and watch ziping and justina obliterate anything

[fierce mountain]

Looking for someone to help clear windswept wasteland nightscream

I got demolish within 2 mins

[fickle linden]

that's the way gods intended fatigue to be burned 🙏

[fierce light]

Lol I do too much damage to farm DITD with Justina.

[hidden creek]

https://tenor.com/view/tracoon-tracoon-too-rich-tracoon-suffering-from-success-gif-1458791985615496704

[fierce light]

Tessa it is

[lone umbra]

Wait what does it mean? 🤔

[fierce light]

They die before Ice Blasts go off

[hidden creek]

yep
that's why on topaz you shouldn't use ur skill on non-aegis mobs

also @fierce light at what % should mobber stops on peak, i forgot again...

[limpid pecan]

boss gives 33%

so u wanna stop at 67-74

[fierce light]

Yeah on Topaz I can start using it on melee mobs without aegis at wave 2. Ranged mobs without aegis at wave 3 iirc.

I guess I can see why they'd recommend a luck set for DITD lol.

[limpid pecan]

tbh maybe the strat is

we dont clear 100% mobs

just dash through big ones

and take out some small

and also lotuses seem quite a bit annoying

they spawn boss when i dont want

[hidden creek]

always have been lol

[fierce light]

Yeah Lotus still has that issue unfortunately.

[hidden creek]

that's the dumb thing about lotus

[fierce light]

Tried using ILC in DITD and it was doing too much.

[limpid pecan]

they need to make enigma peak solo for justina

[fierce light]

Actually the issue got worse since they made them weaker so it often doesn't one shot anymore.

[limpid pecan]

so she can play like normal human

[delicate stream]

Hi guys, say I got a dropped souljade with the highest attribute being ice blast 21.3%. Whats the highest value I can recast this attribute to realistically?

[quaint girder]

30% you can see the max values in the Recast Value menu

[delicate stream]

Getting to 30% will take like how many recasts in this case if we were to estimate?

[fierce light]

Can't lie, DITD is consistently dropping 2 Crystals even at 75% rewards.

[hidden creek]

ye always guarantee 2 crystals

[hidden creek]

rly hard to estimate

prolly like 50? 80?

[fierce light]

Hard to say an exact number, but this chart should help.

[delicate stream]

Oh okay. So its more of a crystal resource thing. Can I do it in one day if I have all the resources available? That is get the ice blast attribute to 30% from 21.3%

[hidden creek]

yeah ofc

[fierce light]

Ice Blast DMG +21.3% is 71% of max.

[hidden creek]

you can get 2% on 1 recast, you could went through 20 recasts with not even a 0.1% increase

[delicate stream]

This is helpful, but what do the axes mean?

[fierce light]

Interesting, their soft pity calc dropped to 90.

[delicate stream]

RNG thing i see.

[fierce light]

The %'s (x-axis) are how close to max the attribute is. The integers (y-axis) are how many recasts on average it takes to increase.

[delicate stream]

Oh I see it now, so 21.3% when converted is 71%??

Am dumb dont mind too much

Anyways, thank for the information guys.

[wind light]

12 scroching in lotus ice build

is it good 💀

[fierce light]

No way to activate it consistently (Thunder Counter) and no way to douse it consistently (Draco Stride)

Generally no, but there's some stages in Yama's that can favor it.

[heavy gulch]

What is ditd

[fierce light]

__D__angers __i__n __t__he __D__eep.

[crimson cave]

target not reached i agree

[fathom bobcat]

how?

[fierce light]

Looks like a bug, 1000 Score is too specific.

I'm at 979 and the next lowest points I can get is 25, which would put me at 1004

[fathom bobcat]

Yes, an even number in PvE is weird

[fathom bobcat]

Same thing, I've done all possible quests.

[crimson cave]

theres a few that gives you 4 points i think

but thing is you cant get over 979 this week

[fierce light]

Seems weird for them to skip a 4 point quest and manage a 25 point quest early.

[fathom bobcat]

hmm, another dude with 1000+

[fierce light]

Maybe it counted the speedrun before maintenance

[fathom bobcat]

Interesting.

[fickle linden]

it didn't count for me

[fierce light]

Either that or the Nirriti's Weekly Quest

Idk, we'll catch up next Wednesday.

[fathom bobcat]

I selectively ran through PvE players on CN and found the same thing in one of them. Apparently some kind of rare bug.

[crimson cave]

off topic but jeez this ru translation sucks bad

[plush grail]

Display bugs are fun

[crimson cave]

i doubt it's a display bug

probably some kind of exploit with weekly counts before resets

either speedrun or weekly ruins idk tho

[plush grail]

It's just a display thing it's happened before

Over all it doesn't really matter in my opinion

Mostly everyone who plays showdown will have it next week

[crimson cave]

damn the grind is over again

[fierce light]

Mainly prepping for Enigma Peak right now, and then you'll stock up on resources from it for Curios.

[crimson cave]

im actually pretty lucky on golden keys this week

already got 7 from first 600 fatigue

[chrome seal]

Russian translated interface is always bad
Russian only works good as source

[peak finch]

The boss gives 34%

[fierce light]

It rounds up at 99%

[peak finch]

Maybe it's because of fps

[peak finch]

Resetting doesn't always work but yeah, you need to have a lucky game

[cursive fable]

@fierce light hi bro

you got a team for peak yet?

[fierce light]

Just going with whoever is on

[fierce light]

Yeah

• 24s with Frost Surge-Justina
• 30s with Desperate Arrows Temulch
• 34s with Desperate Arrows-Tessa
  seems to be my limit for this week's Yama's.

[fierce light]

Some Naraka Mobile Showdown gameplay.

I wonder if this is a teaser of the next meta, Yin-Yang? But also Dual Blades on Viper Ning?

[heavy gulch]

When does that come out

[south tusk]

Dual blade and Pole sword

[fierce light]

Interesting she still has Defuse Solve (the backwards flip), but it has the same Counterattack (the slicing blades) as Tarka.

Curious if that's how they're going to let us be able to switch.

[fierce light]

No idea tbh. Afaik it's CN-only.

[empty rampart]

there is also polesword as 2nd weapon, so maybe 1 day they will make this for us also

they were talking about 2 melee weapons but that was almost year ago or more

[fierce light]

Seeing as eventually all Ranged Weapons will be viable with this Deadeye system, being able to change what you have on would be nice. Could have Cannon and Bow or Swarm and Musket, etc.

[empty rampart]

anyway the updates with 2 locations which u do maybe in 1 week and than its old grind in niritis,enigma

It's just sad

[fierce light]

They would have to release some universal Ranged Jades though, unfortunately Ranged still has the weapon specific ones they did away with for Melee.

[fierce light]

Yeah, going to be a little better for Half-Seasons, but worse for Full ones. Didn't even get a new element this time.

[empty rampart]

barely playing pve rn tbh, cause its just same stuff over and over again.

U dont have dps changes its either 1 att spam or skill spam

with different effects from elem,lotus,chain

[fierce light]

Yeah they make one attack too much better than the others so it's all you use in between Skills. If they even have a good Skill.

The Curios did change it up a bit though at least, but that's close to 2 months away.

[empty rampart]

Well curios changed kurumi for another 1 button spam

And kinda tarka for ult burst dmg

That’s all

Buried giant was 1 stage I was happy to play, but playing it for 2 min over and over again it’s just boring
Bring back old mmorpg style bosses with interesting mechanics and make levels playtime not 2 min

[fair shuttle]

anyone doom and speedrun?

[fierce light]

It kinda introduced rotations.

Kurumi pretty much wants to spam Soul Slash whenever she can, and if not, she will aim for her Aegis Break on bosses without her Curio. It would be nice if they added a perfect timing boost for charged attacks, like PSO2.

Tarka had to figure out the optimal amount of accumulation to get to his Ultimate quickly, so his play became more of a Ranged hit-and-run style.

Tessa aims to fit in as many Charged Attacks and Skills as she can during her Ultimate, so you'd have to be hyper-aggressive during it, but also time it well to minimize the gaps between your attacks. Really curious if it's going to work with Bow, as it would give it some decent AoE.

[fierce light]

Yeah

[empty rampart]

i mean tessa didnt get anything that changed her dps or smth just extra effects

[fierce light]

It mainly made Dragonlike Might (Charged Horizontal) and Benthic Dragon (the follow-up) viable since it could pull off more Fox Spirits. You could also Defuse at any point during it allowing you to stick on the boss.

[empty rampart]

well kinda but its still 1 button spam mainly

maybe im just getting too old for this new type games, they dont hit like they used to lol

[fierce light]

Yeah, as long as there's only 1 Skill and Ultimate, I don't see the rotations getting overly complex.

They would have to add some jades or some sort of move decay to encourage dynamic rotations.

[fair shuttle]

whats wrong with spamming 1 button

[fair shuttle]

sending inv?

[empty rampart]

just make smth stupid, make some boss stages to hit with aerial att or smth while aeg up

[empty rampart]

just an old man crying for a nostalgia of good mmorpg projects with interesting pve

[fierce light]

They gotta balance these elements better too

[fair shuttle]

i also need good ones

but gave up already

[empty rampart]

naraka had some perspective when pve just came out

but they killed it long time ago

[fair shuttle]

i do stuff i find nice

and ask for help otherwise xD

[fierce light]

For one, they could've gave Poison an extra damage bonus against enemies with broken Aegis/without Aegis since it's so focused on Aegis-DMG. They also want you spam Aegis-Breaks, but it's BiS build removes the bonus Aegis-DMG Aegis-Breaks do.

Thunder could let you store charges instead of being forced to use them right after your previous attack. Otherwise, as it is now it forces you to tank hits since windows aren't long enough for it

[empty rampart]

c there is a lot of things can be done if u just think for a bit, but 3 min stages 1 button spam

also killing core characters roles was a strong uff for me, times when u had have at least 2 aeg breaking characters like viper, telmuch with ults

[fair shuttle]

@fierce light sorry lol game chose some random char

kept frozen

[fierce light]

Yeah the later stages of Yama's having so much Astral Aegis makes any builds focused on it irrelevant.

Bow does so much Aegis DMG though that Tessa and Temulch are pretty much the best at it atm. Might actually be able to down bosses later.

[fair shuttle]

thx for carrying

[crimson cave]

theres mobile naraka???

ah not out yet

[fierce light]

Only out for CN

[sleek bronze]

Naraka BOWpoint lmao

[amber terrace]

[sleek bronze]

I need SnD now so i can spent all my fatique since im too lazy 🫠

[fierce light]

Ah patch is upcoming Wednesday, wonder what they'll adjust.

[cursive fable]

this game needs temepred inferno

[turbid agate]

For showdown? Or next week for the new pvp season?

[fierce light]

Yeah for Showdown, I don't really mess with PvP.

[turbid agate]

Oh ok yeah I get you I just didn't know if you meant that showdown was getting an update this upcoming week or the next.

[peak finch]

Finally, but i played around it to force break the boss astral aegis, not same as the video

[fierce light]

How much wielding?

[peak finch]

5 ice and 1 poison but I had to hit extra 1 aegis break martial attack which affected me in 2 seconds more

[peak finch]

but what i noticed if i converted attack to dmg to astral aegis i wouldn't need that and would achieve 21 seconds easily

[fierce light]

Yeah knowing CN, I wouldn't be surprised if they did that

[amber terrace]

[peak finch]

I believe they did that maybe even they converted most of the build to this because the damage to astral was significantly larger than mine

[fierce light]

I still haven't gotten around to testing how it performs in the long run, but it is a neat idea.

[brave pagoda]

can u no longer re-cast red rare attributes on jades?

[lone umbra]

what you mean?

[brave pagoda]

recasting attributes for jades last season couldnt u recast and aim for red attribute?

[lone umbra]

you still can do that

there is no change in recasting

[fierce light]

If you select Auto-Recast and the option for Rare Attributes isn't there, then you can't.

[lone umbra]

does your jade already contain one red attr?

[brave pagoda]

yes

[lone umbra]

then you can not recast another rare using recasting ... it has to be imbued

and it was like that in last season too

juicy drop at 75%

[lone umbra]

you can only recast that rare attr into other rare but not other attr into rare from that jade

[brave pagoda]

o.0

my brain

im trying to recast a rare attri into other rare. this jade has 2 rare and doesnt let me but my other jades with 1 rare let me

[lone umbra]

ok you cant do that

you 2 rare on jade

if 1 rare then you can recast that red into other rare
but if you got 2 rare then you can't do that

[brave pagoda]

okay thought i was trippin ty

[fierce light]

Auto Recast shows all the possible options for the Attribute you have selected

[cursive fable]

@fierce light hi
dark

is 8 WF always the part where it gates people from getting the bestsetup

[fierce light]

Usually, yeah. It's the most rares you need

[novel shell]

These drops when gonna be fixed ? 1 purple jade drop at 100% is anoying -_-

[fathom bobcat]

In PvE Naraka Mobile, you can freely choose weapons for your heroes.

It's interesting that desktop and mobile versions took opposite approaches in this regard.

[crimson copper]

anyone know if there's stanchion sky pillar jade in showdown?

[lone umbra]

Nope it is not there

[crimson copper]

Sadge, thanks anyway

[sour coyote]

I wanna build my justina gu in showdown. How do I get rare attributes? (Windfall, Moderation)? How can I farm souljades most efficiently?

[north lynx]

You got rare attributes from recasting. There is a small chance that a souljade without any rares will get a rare attribute. This chance increases the more you recast, with an estimated pity timer around 250 recasts. In order to get a 2nd rare on a soul jade, you need a flux jade, which can be obtained from achievements, events, end game 1 time quests, the showdown battlepass, or flux jade shards. You get flux jade shards from disenchanting souljades with a rare stat on them already.

Currently the best way to farm is to spam Nirriti Ruins hard and do your quests/dooms. If you are in a good chamber, participate in your chambers Heroes Assemble, buy souljade boxes with your justice chamber tokens. You can also exchange gift points for souljade boxes.

When peak is out, peak will be best for souljades. When inferno is out, inferno will be the thing to grind.

[fierce light]

Yeah, noticed the Defuse Counterattack does high damage as well.

[sour coyote]

thx

[fierce light]

They found the average recasts to be between 90-95 for a rare with the max being 151 in CN.

[north lynx]

This must be updated, because last season I've definitely done 200+ recasts with no rares

This not so much

90-95 seems accurate though for average

[fierce light]

They're adding Yueshan's Aegis-Break to PvP? https://youtube.com/shorts/1H1OdKbIljY?si=2ryEAAnSMGb30v5k

[fierce light]

Yeah i usually don't go past 2 full guarantees before a rare appears

[north lynx]

It's either a jade or from a new mode, that map looks odd

The purple focus makes me think jade though

Cool add! Jades are fun

[hidden creek]

yeah looks like a jade that alter the lmb blue strike after ps stoneform dodge

[formal karma]

anyone for nirriti farming on nightscream?

[sour coyote]

how tf is one supposed to do the 9 star doom mode?

[hidden creek]

easily solo if you got a decent build and know what you're doing

[fierce light]

It limits you to 5 levels above its recommended, so at least have that. Your build matters more so, but also general strategy.

Chapter 2's missions have a lot of newb traps that can end up wasting more time than necessary, such as the Teleporters in Desert Tribulations and Pendulums in Immovable.

• Only use the teleporters after you've cleared the side you started in, and reach the beginning of another side.
• • Ideal Route: Start of 1st Path > End of 1st Path > 2nd Path Guardian > End of 2nd Path > Start of 2nd Path > Teleport to 3rd Path Start > End of 3rd Path > Fight Boss

-# The start of a path is away from the center, while the end is connected to the center.

• Never build Pendulums. They knock mobs into places they get stuck at so you have manually look around the map and try to get them down wasting lots of time. Netherbells and Ballistas are more useful.

[sour coyote]

welp I just started playing showdown abt 2 days ago xD

[north lynx]

Focus on leveling and getting a build together first

[north lynx]

You think scorching can make a comeback in new thunder surge?

I remember it being strong in pts but idk

[sour coyote]

I just need a few more jades luckily. Then I just have to reroll them all to gert enough moderation and windfall, attack and ice blast damage bonus

3/6 jades

[north lynx]

Yupp! You'll get there

You are on the right path

[fierce light]

Hard to say. It has a high base damage multiplier (54.00x Attack) and Incorporeal gives it inherent Counter Recovery. It just has low bonuses.

It's also competing against Bow with its Void Destroyer (46.25x Attack) and Frost Surge with Ice Thorn (9.10x Attack) & Chain Crush (32.90x Attack).

[north lynx]

I rolled like 4 windfalls on my bow build this morning, I'm just trying to figure out if I should start scrapping my old burn build or if working on a side elemental surge burn build would be worth.

[fierce light]

I could parse it later, would mainly do good against bosses that spam blues.

Can you even dodge cancel the same way as before with Incorporeal?

[cursive fable]

@north lynx for the rare recast @fierce light

did you guys made sure you guys cast it on the exact jade/the exact affix for all the 200+casts?

[fierce light]

I rarely go above 120 Recasts per rare tbh

Only time I could think of, was because I was recasting a jade with a rare already

From when I was recording how many recasts it took between each rare:

[brave pagoda]

trying to do quest for counter divine thunder once what build do i need in nirrit for that

[fierce light]

Just get at least 4 element rings with Thunder Essence

[brave pagoda]

ty!

[sour coyote]

So when I recast my attributes theres a chance I get rare ones? Is windfall and moderation one of those?

[summer ridge]

Is this a good idea

I want feira Shen Aegis break

[viscid wraith]

kinda

[fierce light]

Probably not, it would be somewhat free damage with how fast it starts up.

[fierce light]

So I went ahead and did a full parse for the +5/+1 version vs the +6 version, it actually pulls ahead in DPS. Assuming you're using Justina's Skill after every Poison Blast.

The accumulation rate for Ice is almost on-par with last season's Ice Builds that used Tundra Might instead.

[balmy coral]

Poison wielding on surge?

[fierce light]

Yeah, it's kinda sweaty to use as you'll have to keep track of when your Skill resets to make the most of it.

[rotund forge]

doom 12* anyone

[balmy coral]

I see. I will try but which jade is best to have the poison weild?

[fierce light]

I made Chill Spike Poison-Wielding since it's only used on Frost Surge.

You could also do Depths Blast.

[chrome seal]

Why do you guys suggest 5ice wielding+1poison for the frost surge build on Justina?
Just wondering, I genuinely don't see why

[fierce light]

It allows you to do this:

[signal kite]

NASTY

[chrome seal]

Ok thank you. But what exactly is the point of that 1poison wielding instead of max ice wielding?

[fierce light]

It gives an extra Moderation proc. But also allows you to activate Frost Surge in one Ice Blast.

[chrome seal]

Oh that's pretty cool

So should that be a thing in general for the build or just for that astral3/yama lvls only?

[fierce light]

It's generally more sweaty, but you can use it anywhere.

[sour coyote]

so uuuh would someone be as kind and perhaps help us in this mission and the third doom mission? WE just want he 9star doom quest so we can get the main quest done soon xD

[fierce light]

Yeah, I can.

[sour coyote]

Uhm give me like 15min

[fierce light]

No Pendulums pls

[sour coyote]

some1 else just joined so well try this one first with that dude

[fierce light]

Ah okay

My goodness this build is a nightmare to try and optimize.

Have to watch your Frostbite, keep track of when Ice Blast goes off cooldown, keep track of your accumulation after the 1st Poison Blast, keep track of when Chain Crush is ready and pay attention to whatever the boss is doing.

[viscid wraith]

sweaty indeed

[north lynx]

Eh it's not that sweaty tbh

Scorching was harder to play last season imo.

Allot of the ice blast and poisen keeping track can be done by just watching your f

Chain crush is just counting ticks

Justina f being a reposition helps keep you fairly safe

You just gotta keep in mind it can be interrupted

It's allot to keep in mind, but not especially hard to time

[viscid wraith]

I mean...fair and valid. I didn't touch scorching last season cuz I hate copper ward

🏃‍♂️

[sour coyote]

Aight got time?

[fierce light]

Yeah, 411800070166 right?

[sour coyote]

7411800070166

[fierce light]

I got the wrong potential on.

[balmy coral]

Doom seems annoying this week

Don't even wanna solo it

[fierce light]

Holy crap this build is busted on Yueshan

Still not quite on Justina's level, but still good.

Ima be a little sad if they nerf this, but it's understandable if they do.

[fierce light]

I'd run it with you, if you weren't on the server on the opposite side of the Earth.

[balmy coral]

all good I appreciate it thou

[balmy coral]

Nice drop

[fierce light]

Beautiful

[amber terrace]

omg

good drop

[balmy coral]

I even had a 6 gold drop

No elixir

[amber terrace]

[balmy coral]

Help me doom

[amber terrace]

id

[balmy coral]

Doom this week are the type so to take so much time

[balmy coral]

742200010173

how is it auto Q

[balmy coral]

thanks !

[amber terrace]

ok

[balmy coral]

Nice

[lone umbra]

Gold key runs!

[balmy coral]

I got 6 gold drop earlier no elixir just gold key

[lone umbra]

Gold key runs are good

I m gonna do gold key runs with Elixir next week first 600 fatigue

[balmy coral]

Ngl I only have motivation to run for 600 fatigue

Last week I only spent like 700

[lone umbra]

Rest of them maybe nirriti or DITD.. ngl liked the DITD farming.. fast runs and crystal drop similar to nirriti

[balmy coral]

Oh dangers in the deep

I might try but I'm not really lacking on crystals

[lone umbra]

I was farming just for fun

At 75 % DITD seems good to farm

[fierce light]

Yeah it honestly didn't feel that bad. I think Tessa is the fastest for it.

Nice change of pace from Nirriti's

[lone umbra]

Need to try her

[amber terrace]

Noice

[lone umbra]

pro

[soft axle]

Any one down for nirritis ruin hard we can go up from there i need one person plz

[rotund forge]

anyone can help with astral 3?

[sour coyote]

How does a jade get 4 attributes?

[balmy coral]

Do u have shrouded jades? The green box

u can use it to add a random attribute to a jade

One jade can have up to 4 attri

[north lynx]

I soloed the speedrun for 3 stars cause bored

[sour coyote]

Ah alright thanks :D

[balmy coral]

Damnn

[quaint girder]

I wish I had more time to grind all my brown keys this week

[sour coyote]

whats the droprate on elemental surge here=

[fierce light]

Click the chest at the top right (Drops Preview) and divide the legendary drop rate by the number of legendaries that can drop there.

[sour coyote]

Thanks :)

[wooden whale]

so if i got a rare attribute that i dont want, my only chances to change it are to spend more flux jades?

or just normal rerolling until i get another rare attribute?

[hidden creek]

you can roll that wrong rare into a right rare, or you can roll that wrong rare into a max/near max attribute, then roll the next lowest attribute to a new rare

flux is used to get 2nd rare on the jade since you can't get 2nd rare on one jade by normal rerolling, so you would want to get the 1st RIGHT rare first to then use flux to get 2nd RIGHT rare

@fierce light i think you should pin the jade rerolling tactic

or include it in your comprehensive guide

[fierce light]

I don't have pin priviledges, but this is the link: #👾┃showdown message

Believe it is in the guide though.

[chrome seal]

At least these guys make sure to ask and it prevents them from wasting 400crystals trying to recast in search for a 2nd rare like I did back in the day

[fierce light]

Yup it's in the guide, in more detail.

[fierce light]

Quick way to test if a rare attribute is possible through Recasting:

• Select an Attribute and choose Auto Recast.
• If Rare Attribute is not an option at the top-left, you can't acquire a Rare Attribute in this slot through normal Recasting.

[wooden whale]

yes so this is the 2nd rare attribute which is wrong

then just use flux jades to get it right

[fierce light]

Yup

[wooden whale]

alright, thanks

[hidden creek]

didn't know that it's already there

[raw magnet]

pinned it

[fierce light]

Yeah there's a whole page for Recasting under Progression.

[turbid agate]

Toxin surge actually seems pretty good and fun lol. You spawn the chain fast and Ive been using it without any rare or good attributes at all lol

Might need to make a poison build again

[fierce light]

Yeah it's pretty good on Wuchen and Kurumi

[cursive fable]

@fierce light hi dark

i disenchanted one of my jade with Scorching+windfall

and i used the 2 rare crystal fragmenet on a other jade,, windfall+mod

not bad

4 out of my 6 jades have double non -scorchings rares now

[fierce light]

Congrats

I think that's the CN strat

[amber terrace]

wishing they can add gruanteed for rare attribute after x times

or can choice rare att after x times

[north lynx]

I wish peak was out

[peak finch]

They should add option to choose the rare attribute after x times

[hidden creek]

i know why they keeping right rares so hard to get

[balmy coral]

sounds about right

[north lynx]

https://tenor.com/view/veeunus-spongebob-spongebob-squarepants-squidward-done-gif-24674884

Me after pulling the 5th windfall ina row on my deadeye build

[signal kite]

[fierce light]

Naraka Fest starts <t:1751428800:R>!

[waxen narwhal]

need party for showdown

[grizzled canopy]

what is best build for toxin now guys?

[lone umbra]

why do you want toxin build ?

[turbid agate]

They're all pinned.

[fickle linden]

open inferno im done with nirriti

can't even get to 600 fatigue anymore

[quaint girder]

I do enigma

It's fun to test and theorycraft builds

[fierce light]

Yeah Enigma was fun this week even if it was slower to burn fatigue.

[fickle linden]

i need something that is fast to burn

DNS TIME!

[hidden creek]

nah we need good gameplay contents that doesn't make us feels like long, tired, exhausting, bothersome grinding but actually enjoying the gameplay

[grizzled canopy]

last season i already in toxin dont want to farm too much

[fierce light]

Yeah they need to get rid of the the bad anima rings, improve the current blessings and add blessings for the remaining collections for Nirriti's Ruins to really feel decent.

Probably buff Toxic Blow to instead of only increasing Chain Crush's Aegis-DMG, increase all Aegis-DMG by 50%. If they want to lean into the Aegis-Breaking archetype for Poison.

Buff Thunder Smash to where Chain Crush generates 50% of the Thundershock bar regardless of the current cooldown.

[fierce light]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1052311236466970754/1389693262817923222/ToxinSurge.jpeg?ex=68658c35&is=68643ab5&hm=bc8957ef603fa706d7a69ad8302f39956df24b3d606dd1c68e1dcc1e9f9eeff4&=&format=webp&width=814&height=538

[fickle linden]

just don't see it ever happen in naraka

pve will always be just a secondary thing

[turbid agate]

Is toxin surge worth it on anyone else besides rumi and wuchen? Obviously ice is always better, but just wondering @fierce light

[flat tide]

Element surge ,toxin seep noxious, infectious touch, pestilent pool , toxic chain

[fierce light]

Possibly Feria, Yueshan and Matari since they have fairly spammable Aegis-Breaks, but they just benefit too much from high uptime on their Skill.

[flat tide]

Dark stop stealing my valda😂

[fierce light]

Hmm?

Just seeing how good I can do with Musket lol

[flat tide]

Are u DarKZer0

[fierce light]

Yeah

[flat tide]

Yea I saw 😂😂😂

Ahits wild

I’m ISOQUON

[fierce light]

I got fairly lucky on the run tho iirc

[turbid agate]

Yeah makes sense, it is fun to switch it up tho. Gets boring just using one element lol, even tho I love ice

[flat tide]

Yea I get it I’m makin a thunder for the new character

Heard it’s gonna be valda cuz father lighting god or some shi

[fierce light]

Yeah managed 1:11 on Wuchen with it, without any investment in the new jades.

Granted this current stage does favor it a bit.

[turbid agate]

Nice

I tried it on tianhai, and it felt horrible lol

Not so bad on valda and feria tho

Also ziping

[fierce light]

Yeah, has to be on someone with quick access to their Aegis-Break

and preferably with a safe Aegis-Break, so kinda counts Yueshan out despite him being able to spam it.

[turbid agate]

It felt good on ziping without using her aegis at all, just spin to win w her skill

[fierce light]

What set?

[turbid agate]

Toxin surge

[fierce light]

Cause Toxin Seep is useless without using your Aegis-Break.

[turbid agate]

Ohh lol

What would be good to sub out for her?

[fierce light]

Toxified Lotus maybe

Noxious Blast since she can activate Poison Blast relatively quickly.

[turbid agate]

Yeah probs blast

Thanks dark.

[fierce light]

Yw

Toxified Chain probably wouldn't be all that great either. Since you'd need 3 Poison Blasts to activate it instead of 2.

[turbid agate]

damn thats tru, ah we'll see lol

[north lynx]

Is lotus definitive on poisen instead of infectious?

[fierce light]

Wdym by definitive?

[north lynx]

Someone showed me an old thread where you posted lotus surge seep stuff over infectious on I think wuchen

And I did 1 min dot testing and it seemed to easily do more

Pretty sure my potential didn't even have the lotus one up yet

But I notice on your github it has infectious still on it

Here

I was labbing poisen just so I could have a mob build with what I had left over and it seems like pls on wuchen is stronger than normal ps

Even with single target

Better than miasma too

But I got a friend asking for a poisen build on wu and idk if I wanna give the miasma or the pls one

[fierce light]

Oh that was for that weird stage where you needed a bit of extra damage right away when you broke their Aegis.

Current meta for Poison seems to be the new one

Pestilent Pool
Infectious Touch
Miasma Drive
Element Surge
Toxin Seep
Toxified Chain

[balmy coral]

Yay

Last windfall missing

[fierce light]

Looking like the season most people finish their builds

[balmy coral]

Dark should I prepare Ice lotus Chain in case for inferno?

[fierce light]

Yeah, you can get an extreme bell pretty early

[balmy coral]

Okay, only one jade needs fixing and I'm done with it.

thanks

[fierce light]

Np

I hope Peak is in the new map

[balmy coral]

Yes

need it asap

[viscid wraith]

Yes pls

[fierce light]

Hmm looks like PvP is getting some PvE mechanics

Oh snap

[fickle linden]

kylin, akos and zai confirmed

[fierce light]

3 more heroes

[fickle linden]

lets gooooo

zai timeee

[wind light]

yoooo

zai

kylin

akos

in showndown

@fierce light

next update

[fierce light]

Scroll up

[wind light]

you already saw it

dang

im slow

[fickle linden]

i doubt they release all 3 next update lol

[wind light]

im watching the trailer

[fickle linden]

just those 3 are next ones to come to showdown

kylin was leaked months ago thought already

[fierce light]

Yeah, probably so

Damn they adding RPG mechanics to PvP it looks like

But it's 3 heroes instead of the usual 1 per 2 seasons

Yeah it just says they're coming in the future, alongside new modes.

[surreal saffron]

at least one of them has a new weapon

[fierce light]

Yeah can use our Heng Sword Skins

[surreal saffron]

akos with fist wouldve been great, but when you preview both extreme poleswords it akos carrying them, it is what is is i guess

[viscid wraith]

ZAI MENTIONED

[river stratus]

there any chance those hero get musket or bow as ranged weapon?

[fierce light]

They'll add more Ranged Weapons to the Deadeye system eventually haha

Might even do it on their release, since they like giving the new heroes, the new stuff.

[wind light]

yesssss

[north lynx]

I hope not

Most of the showdown stuff are overtuned asf

Take brutality

[fierce light]

It's going to be a separate mode

[fickle linden]

i wonder if the release order will be what they showed in pic

kylin then akos and lastly zai

i just wanna play zai

i'll even go nirriti with her!

[turbid agate]

kylin makes the most sense first since the summer going to have an event or something w his crossover. An since he's a crossover, they want to get him in asap

super excited for all three tho

[fickle linden]

yeah and kylin was leaked earlier already

other 2 weren't in the screenshot

[fierce light]

Yeah we got a lore character, so probably crossover next

[sleek bronze]

crossover for showdown mode is something new right? i mean look like it is not just a character thing

[fierce light]

Crossover Hero

Haven't had any full crossovers for the mode itself, just heroes.

[balmy coral]

I have completed all the rares now. 4 mods and 8 wf

and for the first time I ran out of crystals

[fair shuttle]

how to get 2 rare attribute

[north lynx]

Use a flux jade for the 2nd

[signal kite]

How to get 3 rare attribute

[subtle bramble]

quick question, do any of the chapter stages drop backfire? I am going through the drops for them and can't find it, I am not seeing it on commemorative either

I can only see it on Nirriti drops preview, is this the only way to get it to drop?

[hidden creek]

any stage could drop it

[subtle bramble]

got it so it's like a random drop

[hidden creek]

it's one of the ''general souljade'' that could drop on all stages

[fierce light]

It's under common reward when you look in drops preview.

[subtle bramble]

was just asking because my luck seems bad with it I only have two in my inventory and they both have terrible sub attribute values

[hidden creek]

ah yeah ''common drop pool'', that's the word

[fierce light]

Old image, but it's in there

[chrome seal]

4 windfalls on 1 jade is peak

[signal kite]

Will definitely work on it thankyou

[north lynx]

Same

I have 3 windfalls on my blessed

[fierce light]

-# Please avoid using more than 2 rare attributes on a jade (except if you're trying to maximize Luck).

[north lynx]

^ it's bad on everything but luck maxing, which might as well be placebo maxing

But o boy do I love my placebo

[viscid wraith]

[hidden creek]

[fierce light]

They estimate a 14-28% increase in fragments from running a Luck build depending on your Fatigue in CN. Not sure how much Luck they're measuring it with though

Essentially does nothing at 75% rewards though.

[signal kite]

Yama top 1 soon @chrome seal

[plucky fog]

so 3 Windfall and 30% ice blast isnt good ?

[north lynx]

😂 😂

I'm glad I clicked that

[fierce light]

It gets significantly less efficient once you pass the 2 rare attribute threshold. The only case it was good for damage output was when Blazing Flame scaled really high from Health % so you could run 3 Windfall + 1 Health on a single Jade for a slight increase in DPS.

0 Windfalls → 1 Windfall

(-) 1x Attribute #4
(+) 0.5x Attribute #1
(+) 0.5x Attribute #2
(+) 0.5x Attribute #3

1 Windfall → 2 Windfalls

(-) 1.5x Attribute #3
(+) 0.5x Attribute #1
(+) 0.5x Attribute #2

2 Windfalls → 3 Windfalls

(-) 2x Attribute #2
(+) 0.5x Attribute #1

[north lynx]

It definitely helps, but since there's no info on a cap, and since it will eventually skew fragments over crystals, it's just placebo tbh. I only caught up in crystals because of new season yamas, otherwise I'd be starved again. They should make luck affect that as well

[chrome seal]

I don't wanna even imagine how many fluxes were wasted trying to get the 3 WFs after first one

I personally don't care about high yama rank and never maxed a build to 100% or close
Usually I get my 1build for entire season and that's enough with
Attack/blasts to 80-100% per jade, 4mods and 6WFs at max if I'm not too lazy

Only play showdown when I'm bored and PvP is off-time cause PvE is playable solo

[amber terrace]

@signal kite i saw u somewhere

[signal kite]

Ayo that's someone looking like me but not me( believe fr fr),, i would've been no 1 (believe fr fr) which that guy isn't no wonder that's someone else using my name for fame (believe fr fr ) wish it was that easy 😞

[fierce light]

Haha, so I made a table that automatically calculates the best Attribute setup for a given build based on your damage spread and base stats gained from Potential, Souljades and Hero Level. I had to create this monstrosity of a formula just to calculate the average damage multiplier (Avg. DMG Multi):

=IF( G30<0, , SUM(

1,
bg_Spread_Melee*SUM( bg_External_DMGIncrease, bg_External_DMGtoBoss, 
( SUMIF( $C$29:$F$29,$H$24,C30:F30 )+50%*MIN( ( 4-MATCH($H$24,$C$29:$F$29,0) )*SUMIF( $C$29:$F$29,$H$24,C30:F30 ), G30 ) )*SUMIF($H$26,"*Melee*",$H$25), 
( SUMIF( $C$29:$F$29,$I$24,C30:F30 )+50%*MIN( ( 4-MATCH($I$24,$C$29:$F$29,0) )*SUMIF( $C$29:$F$29,$I$24,C30:F30 ), G30 ) )*SUMIF($I$26,"*Melee*",$I$25), 
( SUMIF( $C$29:$F$29,$J$24,C30:F30 )+50%*MIN( ( 4-MATCH($J$24,$C$29:$F$29,0) )*SUMIF( $C$29:$F$29,$J$24,C30:F30 ), G30 ) )*SUMIF($J$26,"*Melee*",$J$25) ),
bg_Spread_Ranged*SUM( bg_External_DMGIncrease, bg_External_DMGtoBoss, 
( SUMIF( $C$29:$F$29,$H$24,C30:F30 )+50%*MIN( ( 4-MATCH($H$24,$C$29:$F$29,0) )*SUMIF( $C$29:$F$29,$H$24,C30:F30 ), G30 ) )*SUMIF($H$26,"*Ranged*",$H$25), 
( SUMIF( $C$29:$F$29,$I$24,C30:F30 )+50%*MIN( ( 4-MATCH($I$24,$C$29:$F$29,0) )*SUMIF( $C$29:$F$29,$I$24,C30:F30 ), G30 ) )*SUMIF($I$26,"*Ranged*",$I$25), 
( SUMIF( $C$29:$F$29,$J$24,C30:F30 )+50%*MIN( ( 4-MATCH($J$24,$C$29:$F$29,0) )*SUMIF( $C$29:$F$29,$J$24,C30:F30 ), G30 ) )*SUMIF($J$26,"*Ranged*",$J$25) ),
bg_Spread_Skill*SUM( bg_External_DMGIncrease, bg_External_DMGtoBoss, 
( SUMIF( $C$29:$F$29,$H$24,C30:F30 )+50%*MIN( ( 4-MATCH($H$24,$C$29:$F$29,0) )*SUMIF( $C$29:$F$29,$H$24,C30:F30 ), G30 ) )*SUMIF($H$26,"*Skill*",$H$25), 
( SUMIF( $C$29:$F$29,$I$24,C30:F30 )+50%*MIN( ( 4-MATCH($I$24,$C$29:$F$29,0) )*SUMIF( $C$29:$F$29,$I$24,C30:F30 ), G30 ) )*SUMIF($I$26,"*Skill*",$I$25), 
( SUMIF( $C$29:$F$29,$J$24,C30:F30 )+50%*MIN( ( 4-MATCH($J$24,$C$29:$F$29,0) )*SUMIF( $C$29:$F$29,$J$24,C30:F30 ), G30 ) )*SUMIF($J$26,"*Skill*",$J$25) ),
bg_Spread_Element*SUM( bg_External_DMGIncrease, bg_External_DMGtoBoss, bg_External_ElementDMG,  
( SUMIF( $C$29:$F$29,$H$24,C30:F30 )+50%*MIN( ( 4-MATCH($H$24,$C$29:$F$29,0) )*SUMIF( $C$29:$F$29,$H$24,C30:F30 ), G30 ) )*SUMIF($H$26,"*Element*",$H$25), 
( SUMIF( $C$29:$F$29,$I$24,C30:F30 )+50%*MIN( ( 4-MATCH($I$24,$C$29:$F$29,0) )*SUMIF( $C$29:$F$29,$I$24,C30:F30 ), G30 ) )*SUMIF($I$26,"*Element*",$I$25), 
( SUMIF( $C$29:$F$29,$J$24,C30:F30 )+50%*MIN( ( 4-MATCH($J$24,$C$29:$F$29,0) )*SUMIF( $C$29:$F$29,$J$24,C30:F30 ), G30 ) )*SUMIF($J$26,"*Element*",$J$25) ),
bg_Spread_Burn*25%*SUM( bg_HeroHP, bg_External_Health, 
( SUMIF( $C$29:$F$29,$H$24,C30:F30 )+50%*MIN( ( 4-MATCH($H$24,$C$29:$F$29,0) )*SUMIF( $C$29:$F$29,$H$24,C30:F30 ), G30 ) )*SUMIF($H$26,"*Burn*",$H$25), 
( SUMIF( $C$29:$F$29,$I$24,C30:F30 )+50%*MIN( ( 4-MATCH($I$24,$C$29:$F$29,0) )*SUMIF( $C$29:$F$29,$I$24,C30:F30 ), G30 ) )*SUMIF($I$26,"*Burn*",$I$25), 
( SUMIF( $C$29:$F$29,$J$24,C30:F30 )+50%*MIN( ( 4-MATCH($J$24,$C$29:$F$29,0) )*SUMIF( $C$29:$F$29,$J$24,C30:F30 ), G30 ) )*SUMIF($J$26,"*Burn*",$J$25) ),
bg_Spread_Extra*SUM( bg_External_DMGIncrease, bg_External_DMGtoBoss, 
( SUMIF( $C$29:$F$29,$H$24,C30:F30 )+50%*MIN( ( 4-MATCH($H$24,$C$29:$F$29,0) )*SUMIF( $C$29:$F$29,$H$24,C30:F30 ), G30 ) )*SUMIF($H$26,"*Extraneous*",$H$25), 
( SUMIF( $C$29:$F$29,$I$24,C30:F30 )+50%*MIN( ( 4-MATCH($I$24,$C$29:$F$29,0) )*SUMIF( $C$29:$F$29,$I$24,C30:F30 ), G30 ) )*SUMIF($I$26,"*Extraneous*",$I$25), 
( SUMIF( $C$29:$F$29,$J$24,C30:F30 )+50%*MIN( ( 4-MATCH($J$24,$C$29:$F$29,0) )*SUMIF( $C$29:$F$29,$J$24,C30:F30 ), G30 ) )*SUMIF($J$26,"*Extraneous*",$J$25) )

) )

The example table is for Toxin Surge on Wuchen/Kurumi.

[rotund forge]

how u have so many 999 shards

[fierce light]

They haven't worked on a build in a while

[fierce light]

Okay I tried out PLS again (PP, IT, TS, ES, TL, Gb), and it gave me faster runs on Astral 3 w/ Wuchen & Kurumi. Even managed 59s on Wuchen. So I guess even though it parses lower, in practice it's actually better since the damage isn't backloaded into Chain Crush.

I have about 20% more Poison Blast DMG & 6 Attack more on PLS than Toxin Surge. Which shouldn't be enough for such a gap.

[balmy coral]

Now he's playing ranked

[hidden creek]

[fierce light]

What a way to start lol

[hidden creek]

how is this drop even possible

[fierce light]

3.5% chance of happening

At least without considering Luck.

[balmy coral]

The drop will stay like that until they set the changes

[fierce light]

What changes?

[balmy coral]

Catch up points shouldn't put u at a 100:0 ratio

wait lmao I was tripping

[fierce light]

lol

But yeah Catch Up Points give you 100/160 of the fragments below average you were (without considering Luck).

[balmy coral]

I thought they changed the drop rates

[balmy coral]

and considering the catch up points settlement only gives u reward of 1-2 gold jades the rest are purple

u basically get scammed

[fierce light]

Yeah it tries to keep a 1:4 ratio with Golds and Purples iirc.

[balmy coral]

[cursive fable]

@fierce light hi dark

the boss percentage for trio topaz is 75%?

@fierce light wanna join my topaz run in a bit

2 guys with gold key here

[hidden creek]

[balmy coral]

Ye lol

It always do that

Or run thru u without pause

[fierce light]

Full atm.

[fierce light]

Stop before 75%, that's when the boss spawn is determined.

[cursive fable]

u got a group?

3man topz feels so slow

[fierce light]

Yeah it's 3 of us atm

[signal tendon]

Would anyone be willing to help with either doom domain or yamas aybss? Am new to the game and showdown only level 60 but trying to finish doom before season starts and get to at least plat 2 in yamas

[quaint girder]

I can help. Also Showdown Seasons are separate from PvP Seasons so you don't need to worry about missing rewards.

Send me your ID and I can help with Doom

[signal tendon]

Yeah lemme get my id rq! Thank you didn't know that the seasons were separate haha

6234900120174 is my id!

[fierce light]

Yeah all the stages aren't even unlocked yet, so you have plenty time to do Yama's.

[signal tendon]

That's perfect! Just wanted to clear for main story mainly so I'm glad I have time

[hidden creek]

bruh this shit keep counting after 600

[hidden creek]

0.4% attk and 10% ice blast dmg to max FS
4% attk and 25% ice blast dmg to max ILC
guess now is the time for bow build for me

[fierce light]

Nicely done

[cursive fable]

you guys feel topaz frag drop rate nerfed?

[fierce light]

~2.6 Fragments the average per run of Topaz (Purple Key)

4.2 Fragments the average for Topaz (Gold Key).

I swear the algorithm for Nightscream Ruins is intentionally worse. Back to back none of the rings are remotely related to what I have already

[plain spire]

Yes definitely got nerf 🏴‍☠️

I got 168 fragments for 600 fatigue 150% last week i got around 290+

[balmy coral]

Ye that

What I do is choose the highest rarity and discard it to get better rings of my chosen type

[cursive fable]

@fierce light ya the fragments got nerfed so hard this week

wtf netease

[fierce light]

My drops are pretty decent in topaz ngl

Don't think it's worth running Ruins in 150% since the drops don't change much.

Crystals seem about the same which is the main reason for Ruins.

Yup we've definitely reached the strength where we can Free For All Enigma Topaz.

[amber terrace]

[balmy coral]

I didn't even know today is reset lol

[cursive fable]

ya pve is gonan be dead

with this drop rate

less than 20 players on NA server

lol disgusting drop rate this week

3 purple jades from gold key topaz solo

[amber terrace]

@balmy coral do something?

[balmy coral]

Let's do topaz?

after this

[amber terrace]

ye

free 6k

[fierce light]

Got this from purple key Trios

[balmy coral]

Okee

Oh u in-game

[amber terrace]

yea im at 6/9 boss

[balmy coral]

got a free slot?

[amber terrace]

yea

im random

[balmy coral]

Okee

[amber terrace]

@balmy coral i'm all in top 1 last week

[cursive fable]

@amber terrace pc?

[balmy coral]

[cursive fable]

@fierce light with fatigue pot?

[balmy coral]

Scawwy

[amber terrace]

pc

21-22s all char

@balmy coral rent my char for strong

[livid lake]

does show down reset everyweek?

[balmy coral]

AHH can't rent if u are using it already

[amber terrace]

enigma topaz can rent

[cursive fable]

@amber terrace u feel topz drop ratenerfed?

[amber terrace]

nirriti ruin bad for me this week

[balmy coral]

let me try

[amber terrace]

9k

[fierce light]

Nope, only using that in Enigma Peak Gold Keys

[amber terrace]

what

am i got bugg

frostbite chain damage on boss but 0 dmg

[fierce light]

Can multiply Topaz's drops by 1.5 before comparing it to Ruins

[amber terrace]

@balmy coral did u rent my char?

[balmy coral]

Yuup

[cursive fable]

@amber terrace

ya its stealth nefred

in topaz

the amoutn of jades we getting vs previous weeks

[amber terrace]

i got 4 gold, 3 purple

[cursive fable]

netease is good at stealth nerf

they nerfed the stat reroll too

[amber terrace]

yea maybe

wow, look like good

[balmy coral]

Seems good

[tender kernel]

good

[fierce light]

Drops aren't guaranteed, so you'll have some bad runs. Just not as much as you'll have in Ruins cause of Luck being active

[balmy coral]

I gotta get lunch now it's getting too late

[amber terrace]

ok

[balmy coral]

Byess ty

[steep nexus]

topaz w/ blue keys or brown

[balmy coral]

blue

9k

[steep nexus]

thnk you nice drop

[cursive fable]

@fierce light finally got my 4th mod

the drop RNG is very shit for me today, but my rare crystal went 2/2 without scorch

[north lynx]

Yeah when I tested it it did more

[fierce light]

I'll probably have to start making a timeline alongside my parses.

PLS has much more consistent DPS.

[steep nexus]

PLS mean?

[fierce light]

Poison Lotus Surge.

Pestilent Pool
Infectious Touch
Element Surge
Toxin Seep
Toxified Lotus
Ghastbloom

[viscid wraith]

have you tried thunder surge with sap? replacing thunderproof

[fierce light]

Sap is more of a utility jade, won't see a DPS increase from it.

More of a decrease since you'll charge up Thunder Surge slower and can be staggered

The stat buffs did help it though

[amber terrace]

wow, nirriti ruin this week

[fierce light]

Just realized, we're already on Eerie bosses

[cursive fable]

@fierce light im 1 winfall away!

4mod 7windfall

need next weeks peak!

last 1 always the hardest imo

[plush grail]

I finally tried Ice surge Justina AND HOLY you really just end up zooming around xD
haven't had that much fun since Poison Lotus with Tessa tbh

i need One more Moderation though. 3 is fine imo but 4 def is better

[fierce light]

Yeah 4 Moderation is huge for Justina in particular since she can proc Ice Blast with just her Skill

[fickle linden]

70 something days season left

[plush grail]

Justina Ice Surge is just

WOW

SO FAST

[cursive fable]

ya 4 mod is a must on justina

[amber terrace]

[fierce light]

Oh damn 37s

[signal kite]

Pro

🛐

[amber terrace]

[fierce light]

I don't even see how 37s possible

That's the time it takes for them to transform

[amber terrace]

wow

[amber terrace]

what, feria shen 37s?

[fierce light]

No

I can speed it up by skipping the charged attack

But don't think it'll be 37s

[amber terrace]

[amber terrace]

29s for justina gu now

[fierce light]

6 Ice-Wielding?

[amber terrace]

5 ice, 1 poison

[fierce light]

Must be some sweaty mouse and keyboard tech

[amber terrace]

first stage, boss must use 1 kick

any atk will be reset

1 kick will transform in ~1s

any atk will take >2s

[fierce light]

Yeah boss doesn't get to move for me in 1st phase

[amber terrace]

if u can stack 100% rage

[fierce light]

He's transforming at 5:55

[amber terrace]

at phase 2, 2nd

it will use 2V and done

use first F from Corpse Monster to Rock

[cursive fable]

surely range build is less frag needed ?

[fierce light]

Ranged, Poison and Thunder are all relatively cheap to make compared to Ice.

Their BiS only needs single rares.

[cursive fable]

thats niceee

how many builds you have atm?

ice surge and ranged?

[amber terrace]

52s on Feria Shen with sniper

[fierce light]

ILC (max), Skill Surge (max), & Deadeye Bow (88% max).

[cursive fable]

skill surge is ice surge?

@amber terrace thats cn server?

[amber terrace]

yea

[cursive fable]

steam cn or netease cn?

steam cn is a meme i heard

[amber terrace]

steam

[cursive fable]

i think both cn client share the same ladder tho?

[amber terrace]

i think same

[cursive fable]

could you screenshot immortal war solo?

[fierce light]

Yeah with 5 Ice-Wielding, 1 Poison-Wielding

[fickle linden]

what attributes you want for musket build? ill do it if you only need single rares for it

[fierce light]

Attack, DMG to Bosses, Ranged Weapon DMG.

[fickle linden]

i've not paid any attention, there is new attribute for ranged dmg i think too?

oh it's just ranged weapon dmg

[cursive fable]

@amber terrace oh ya its shared between both client

[fierce light]

Musket doesn't need Deadeye build rate anymore with the buff to elemental shots.

[amber terrace]

wth leaderboard?

[cursive fable]

thats the univerity name

[north lynx]

Known issue

[cursive fable]

for exmaple #7 is tsing university