👾┃showdown

[fierce light]

Especially with it not giving Gold, cause then it feels like an excuse for the drop rates to be so bad particularly for Souljades

[thorn narwhal]

specially we're getting the "Less" attention

[fierce light]

Oh we can see that with the hero release rate

[thorn narwhal]

not just heroes

now they are having 2 seasons while we're stuck in 1

[hidden creek]

?

[thorn narwhal]

they gave u 1 fragment what more could u ask for

[lone umbra]

double the drop or normal?

[hidden creek]

it's a nirriti ns run

[lone umbra]

[hidden creek]

i couldn't believe in my eyes

when i saw the drops

[lone umbra]

i got 3-4 toxic lotus in hard run

but ns shit drops

[hidden creek]

at this point i can definitely say there is something wrong with how the drops was calculated

there's no way

no way drop like this on a 150% run should even be possible

[lone umbra]

150% is a myth

[fierce light]

Catch-Up Points probably made that equal to 2.5 Souljade Fragments.

[hidden creek]

yeah which is another thing that fked up

[hearty rivet]

My theory is that they somehow normalized the loot between all quadrants and that results in an average low reward. Till the beginning of November I got about 80% of my fragments from the first 600 fatigue bracket and since then the drops from that part got lower and lower.

Since new season I got 0, 1 or max 2 gold souljades, even from potion runs regardless my fatigue. (only 150% potion run I did tbf)

(disclaimer2: there were 2 runs when i got 3!!! gold souljades in this past 2 and half weeks)

[hidden creek]

and my point is even if that run i got THE WORST DROP POSSIBLE it still couldn't be THAT BAD

make absolutely no sense

the min max variations is high but how it could be this high? it's like there's 100 drop variants or something?

[hearty rivet]

honestly no idea... they made each souljade have an individual 5 and 13% of becoming better than blue without any guaranteed minimum and the multiplier from fatigue means how many souljades we get nothing more?
But yes it is pretty disheartening system.

[hidden creek]

yeah this is exactly what i'm thinking

[hearty rivet]

Kinda what I hate in many mmos, when they turn the game into a chore or 2nd job with repetitive things to do.

the more you grind = the better the game it is

[hidden creek]

fatigue only determine how many sj you got, the sj quality on the other hand are completely random

and you need TWENTY of the blue sj to do one convert

with 10% chance of getting a gold and 90% chance of getting a purple

the rate is just disgusting

[fierce light]

Getting less than a single Recasts worth of value from a 10+ minute run for sure is disheartening at 150% rewards at that.

[woven ingot]

Moreover when the recast system is that harsh on the RNG ^^'

[hearty rivet]

Yeah especially since that conversion becomes even more important now that regular loot is nerfed.

[hidden creek]

rng on top of rng on top of rng

[thorn narwhal]

almost done

[tacit nest]

anyone know the astral 2 boss

[hearty rivet]

Bough

[tacit nest]

three levels?

[woven ingot]

2

The buddha form and the ugly 4 legs tree like form (no idea what that thing is supposed to be)

[tacit nest]

really?

only those two?

at astral?

[woven ingot]

Yep, without much hp. But dealing quite high damage.

[thorn narwhal]

there! https://discord.com/channels/750237703739539497/1319415139170127964

[tacit nest]

this seasons the highest ive been yamas wise

i feel like its been a lil easier than previous

do i feel alone on that?

[hearty rivet]

@hidden creek 😔

[thorn narwhal]

who ever finishes reading please let me know your thoughts and if there's anything missing

[woven ingot]

Seems good to me. It's well written and constructive, not just "I want more free and easy things".

[hidden creek]

HOLY SHT

WHAT THE F**K IS HAPPENING?

[hearty rivet]

wtf o_o

[hidden creek]

enigma gold key

WHAT

???

[hearty rivet]

and 0 fatigue? 💀

[thorn narwhal]

they keep exceeding our expectations

[woven ingot]

Mave you could add one thing to the review: "add a ranking for ... the worst loot of the week". Tabbie is on the way to rank #1 easy peasy 😂

[thorn narwhal]

[woven ingot]

With that loot, with gold key, and 150% reward .. it's forcefully an unbeatable top 1. You literraly can't do worst, there are 0 gold, 0 purple, 0 key, 0 shrouded. The perfect absolute nothing.

"Thanks for your 10 minutes and your gold key spent in Enigma. Here comes your reward: nothing. At. All."

[cyan grove]

I just finished a normal niriti run, and I got skyforce with windfall on it, is it normal?

[hearty rivet]

one way to top it is to make it a potion run 🫣

[cyan grove]

Also, what can I do with it? I don't play that garbage jade

[woven ingot]

Normal .. yes, you can have a rare attribute by veryyy low chance.

At least now we know where tabbie's luck went ahah

[woven ingot]

Right, there is still that!

[cyan grove]

Is dismanteling the best option?

[hearty rivet]

yeah

[woven ingot]

Ye, it's still a great drop because you can dismantle and get a half Flux Jade.

[cyan grove]

alright, thank you

[hidden creek]

💀

[cyan grove]

Talking about enigma, is it worth killing the 9 bosses or do I just leave before? (solo)

[thorn narwhal]

its not worth playing it at all

leaving on 3 bosses if u only want to level up ur sense level fast

[cyan grove]

I do it to get gold/purple jades

and I actually get around 3/4 gold and 10-14 purple every run with gold key + that little item that boosts your drops

[woven ingot]

But for a change and for some challenge/training you can go there. I do the 9 bosses for training, now if it's only to level up sense 6 is better. But for that you're better just doing Nirriti.

[cyan grove]

I'm never getting enough jades in nirriti tbh

and it also takes quite some time, for less fun

[woven ingot]

Try your luck but overall Enigma isn't doing better in Jade colors. For most people Nirriti is more reliable.
You can have good drop like you had in Enigma, and then you'll have tabbie's drop for 3 runs.

[cyan grove]

I never ever got 10 purple jades for a nirriti run

that's weird

I don't remember even getting 5+ and some gold as well

[hidden creek]

''my drop'' got a name now? 💀 fuuuuck

[thorn narwhal]

u are playing a different game mate

[woven ingot]

If it's for farming, do normal runs in Nirriti, I never felt any difference in rewards between normal and NS. And normal is less than 10 min and you can listen to music, watch a movie etc.

[hidden creek]

''the tabbie drop''

💀

[woven ingot]

ahah, sounds quite right!

[hidden creek]

fml

[cyan grove]

That's weird

[woven ingot]

The absolute nothing drop. Thanks for coming.

[cyan grove]

Which one are you doing to get jades to dismantle?

[woven ingot]

Honestly overall they are pretty much the same. Play the one you enjoy the most.
According to tooltips and in game message Enigma is supposed to be better. For most people tho they are equal, or Nirriti is better.

[cyan grove]

I'll give nirriti a try again

but are you doing it in hard or higher

to get better drop

[woven ingot]

I do normal mode, because I never felt it was better in NS. Well once all my challenge for the season were done that is.
Would seem logical that NS drops better, but never felt that way for me. But that could be me.
So easy version let you play the hero you want to level it, or level the weapons etc. without paying much attention to the game.

[cyan grove]

Yeah, all my heroes are already max level

and I already completed all nirritis quests

My only goal now is to make my build better

and I need a shit ton of jades to do so

I used 300+ green shards to get one rare attribute that I never got today, I'm almost crying rn

[hidden creek]

i got 3 mod 3 windfalls on my poison lotus build, no 2nd rare on jades yet

but rn i'm seriously considering quitting showdown

[cyan grove]

Isn't windfall good on this build?

[woven ingot]

The PvE endgame that is. Hard RNG and not much loot, which doesn't feel really well.
We would need to run big samples to have real numbers, but for what you should play, I'd say test them both for a few runs (5-10) and see if you seem to have more luck in on of the two. But mainly: is there is one mode you enjoy more, because in the end that will be the most important.

[hidden creek]

windfall good on all builds

[cyan grove]

Yeah, I rly enjoy enigma since it's way too easy on Viper / poison build

And it makes me practice my defuse skill

[woven ingot]

Tabbie: you play Nirriti in NS because you feel like the drops are better or for the season challenges?

[hidden creek]

i feel like the drop are better, plus ns doesn't take much more time compare to hard to me

[woven ingot]

Yeah I agree on that. Enigma is good for practice for me. Nirriti also have pretty much all bosses, but you don't play your build, and it's not the same to me, in term of training.
Enigma is less fatigue, so it's good if you got lots of playtime during your week, but in exchange it ask for a key.

[tacit nest]

alrighty

[woven ingot]

I see. I will run a few more runs later in NS to see if i feel the drops are better. It still asks for more attention than normal mode tho, and takes more time (I never use hard mode, it's normal or NS)

[tacit nest]

so i randomy imbued another attribute onto my thunderproof jade

[cyan grove]

I'll try a few nightscream nirriti to see, but I'm honnestly not convinced

[tacit nest]

and got scorching

instead of getting it on draco

what do i do

[cyan grove]

Do you play solo or do you play with 2 other players?

[woven ingot]

I always play solo. Not sure if it change anything for Nirriti loot.

[hidden creek]

always solo

don't have time to find ppl to run nirriti

[cyan grove]

Alright, I'll give it a try

ty

[woven ingot]

If you already got +12 scorching, you reroll it.

Solo means you don't have to look for people, and overall the game is way easier in solo than in party.

[tacit nest]

i dont tho, i heard you need windfall on purples jades for thunderscorch tho

[thorn narwhal]

i think i added this not sure, but lets hope they don't get the wrong idea and make more immovables

[hidden creek]

the actual reason is i don't want to wait for anyone and i don't want anyone to wait for me, cuz i usually do something else too while farming showdown

[tacit nest]

i needed scorch on draco

[hidden creek]

that's why i go solo

[tacit nest]

unless i can just put windfall on draco instead

?

[cyan grove]

Which hero do you guys pick to complete it the fastest way possible?

[woven ingot]

I'll let people who knows the build to answer, but i don't see any reason for a rare attribute to have to be on a purple or gold, and vice et versa

[cyan grove]

The canon build is cool but it doesn't work in nightscream

since mobs are tankier

[hidden creek]

wuchen

• long range attack, good aoe, good mob gathering on his aegis break skill
• high dmg ult
• F heals armor so you don't need to glug glug

[woven ingot]

When it's farming, play the character you're used to. You want it to be fast an painless.
Tabbie's pick is a solid one.

[tacit nest]

@fierce light got scorching on thunderproof, instead of draco, i dont have all 12 scorching yet. you know the build well, should i keep it till i get it on draco or should i be good?

[cyan grove]

Alright, ty

[woven ingot]

In term of efficiency: Wuchen, Ning, Tessa, Tarka, those are solid picks.

[fierce light]

Yeah, that's a core jade. I'd say keep it.

[woven ingot]

High damage, reactive, easy to play.

[tacit nest]

i got you. bet, just thought it was better to get windfall on purple, do i go for windfall on draco now??

[drifting lance]

🎉 | MidgetMan leveled up!

[fierce light]

Getting +12 Scorching is the biggest priority, but doesn't hurt to get a Windfall.

[tacit nest]

thank you mr naraka wiki man

🙏

[turbid scroll]

i need two to finish doom , can any one help EU

[woven ingot]

If not already done, post in the looking for group PvE channel. That may help.

https://discord.com/channels/750237703739539497/1045610531953852446

[turbid scroll]

i did it before but i couldnt find anyone

[bronze wharf]

I don't understand !
look at the health bar , what kind of damage ?
never seen before .

[hidden creek]

looks like 2 thunder procs at the same time + kurumi circle dmg boost

prolly soneone got fatal finish ring also

[fierce light]

It procing on the bot might've carried over somehow? Idk its a weird bug

[bronze wharf]

but. fatal finisher is didn't work like that

[woven ingot]

Fatal Finish would have been a good reason, but I don't see any counter. The boss didn't blue focused at that moment, and I don't see anyone countering a thunder proc on himself.

[cyan grove]

What would you guys suggest to do first to improve the build?
(Beside using a shrouded jade on Toxified Lotus and Ghastbloom (I’m doing it next)

[hidden creek]

i mean the elemental blast

[hidden creek]

why are the stats on your jades are so low

[cyan grove]

I started from scratch a few days ago

[woven ingot]

Xiao as Kurumi is doing her charged attack, same for the Tessa doing her charged attack when the boss dies. So maybe the Wuchen is doing something strange I can't see.

[thorn narwhal]

better not waste materials on low stat jades

[bronze wharf]

well the bots are might be carry 1 hit souljade , i'll decided like that .

[cyan grove]

So you’re suggesting to farm the boss to drop better Toxified Lotus and Ghastbloom jades?

[hidden creek]

yeah

you can just use a ''place holder'' setup to do yama til the flux shard stage

maybe make a build so you can finish enigma, but just enough for it

[cyan grove]

I can do everything rn with this build

[hidden creek]

then you go farming until you got a good base jade to begin recasting

to find rares

and make and end game build

[cyan grove]

Alright, I’ll do that then

Thank you!

[hidden creek]

ideally you want a jade with 2 opts around ~90% or more

to make it an end game jade

[cyan grove]

2 opts around 90%?

me no comprendo

[hidden creek]

like u got a jade with 4.8% dmg to boss and 28.5% poison blast dmg for example, even the 3rd opt is like 50 armor or something

then this jade is worth it to recast for rares and imbue

to make an end game jade

or a 100% + 80% is ok already

[cyan grove]

Alright

That'll be long dear god

7 tries, not a single jade

[hidden creek]

yeah

but you got 6 months anyway

btw it's just what i think

if you find that you got decent rate with the value recasting and going that way gonna cost you less time/effort/materials then go for it

i got painful experience with the value recasting

i once spent 150+ recasts just for a 0.2% value increase

so 😂

[woven ingot]

Yeah but we know how your luck is, so ...
We call that a "Tabbie's drop" for a reason 😂

[hidden creek]

😂 man

[cyan grove]

Is there a way to increade the drops?

My luck is pretty bad when it comes to rng drops like these

[hidden creek]

you saw what happened to me so you know that i couldn't make any comment about this

[cyan grove]

Is there any video to show how the Lotus poison build works on Tessa?

[hidden creek]

dark prolly got

[cyan grove]

Hello @fierce light

[woven ingot]

Rule 39: if Dark doesn't have it, it doesn't exist on the Internet.

[fierce light]

Don't have a video guide about it, but I can sum up the gist of it. Are you talking about with Mod or without?

[cyan grove]

Mod as moderation?

if so, yeah

I'd like to try it on the boss

to see if I can kill it faster

I'm currently doing it in 5 minutes with Viper

[fierce light]

Okay so it goes like this:

• [Poison Blast is NOT on Cooldown] - Accumulation Phase

Ability → 2nd Charged Vertical → Aegis-Break Skill [if able to] → (Poison Blast)

• [Poison Blast IS on Cooldown] - Infectious Touch Phase

Charged Vertical → Aegis-Break Skill → 2nd Charged Vertical [if able to]

If you can't fit in the Aegis-Break Skill in the Accumulation Phase, then you can try a couple of Uncharged Attacks to proc Poison Blast instead. During Tessa's Ultimate, it should proc just from the Charged Attack.

[cyan grove]

Well okay, that's pretty straightforward

thanks a lot

[fierce light]

Here's a clip of the rotation, but it was before I discovered she had a 2nd charge to her vertical.

[hidden creek]

bruh

so you don't play pvp at all?

[fierce light]

Not seriously since they added Ziping Yin.

[hidden creek]

ic

[fiery rock]

Is poison lotus better than ice lotus?

Or are they roughly around the same?

[fierce light]

Ice Lotus does seem to be producing better results. But tbf I haven't seen any Poison Lotus gameplay at the same investment.

On Yueshan though, Ice Lotus without question cause he can do 3 abilities during his Ultimate instead of 2.

[fiery rock]

Ight, thanks man

[thorn narwhal]

we really need the free training stats asap

[fiery rock]

Got worried since ive been heavily investing in ice

[hidden creek]

tbf even if ice lotus is better in term of damages, poison lotus still got its niche

[fiery rock]

But I just keep seeing everyone use poison when it comes to Yamas

[hidden creek]

which is the aegis break

so in team modes at least one person running poison lotus is still ideal

[fiery rock]

Good to know

[fierce light]

Ice Lotus has the advantage of faster proc rate. Especially when considering Arcane Thunder vs mobs.

Poison Lotus has really big bursts though, but the removal of Poisonous Assault (6 stacks to 5 stacks to activate Toxin Blast) was a pretty sizable nerf. Still it does a lot of Aegis DMG and think it makes Poison pull ahead for extended fights.

[hidden creek]

well you really shouldn't look at current yama and thinking which build is better atm

we're still on the early stages

bosses are weak

later when they became much much harder to kill and the fight is much longer

only then we could see

[thorn narwhal]

lol eerie ent canceled my ult transformation midway

[hidden creek]

also it depends on the bosses themselves too

like on bosses that have the habit of throwing alot of blues

thunderscorch prolly beat both ice/poison lotus

[cyan grove]

That's crazy fast, it gives me a doubt, am I even playing correctly with Viper lol

Do you by any chance have a video with viper as well?

[fierce light]

Yeah Bough's first form can throw a crazy amount of blues without even parry chaining it.

[fiery rock]

Thanks for the info guys, will keep in mind

Still need my last scorching to max out my thunder achorch build

[hidden creek]

thunder

https://tenor.com/view/tomandjerry-cat-sneeze-sick-cartoon-gif-18234173487203628000

also let's see if they gonna give paragon stages alot of mobs too

i have a feeling

that this season is mod season

[fierce light]

I haven't really used it with her all that much since her ability is on the weakside now.

But, if you use her with Arcane Thunder it does make her rotation with Poison a bit more bearable. It's pretty long otherwise, unless you use Cyan Fang• Element or Horizontal Energy • Element.

• Ability → (Arcane Thunder) → 2nd Charged Horizontal → 1st Charged Horizontal

She also favors Ice more so than Poison because she has low accumulation on her attacks.

[cyan grove]

Man

Showdown is just too much for me lmao

[tacit nest]

im tryna recast the scorching level and tha bih aint even going up lmfao

[fierce light]

Lol, I'd just recommend Ice, only Poison really has a set rotation cause it needs to activate Infectious Touch in time.

[fickle linden]

is ice build best for beginner?

[thorn narwhal]

doom legend removed from speedrun?

i think they don't want triple yueshan

[fierce light]

Poison is easiest to get right now cause of the event, but yeah in terms of late game builds it's the easiest

[fickle linden]

oh okay, i might change to ice later then. im currently using these but all of their stats suck

[fierce light]

Just with Ice, be wary of the self-freezes

Harder to account for without Moderation

[hidden creek]

tessa's defuse is fuggin dumb

[hearty rivet]

Isn't this a defuse solve speciality?

I had similar experience with Kurumi or Viper many times

(still can be annoying)

[hidden creek]

no but tessa's iframes at the start of the defuse is so long

and the iframes must ran out first for the defuse to actually taking effect

so you always need to defuse earlier than usual

if you want a succesful defuse on tessa

but since we're familiar with the duration of the iframes on other heroes's defuse

so easy to miss defuse on tessa

[fierce light]

Is that with a Poison or Ice Potential set up?

[hidden creek]

like on this boss, i always defuse when i heard the sound of his tail blade

and it works on every heroes

but tessa always miss

[hidden creek]

uhh poison

[fierce light]

Curious how it performs with that Defuse Boost node

[hidden creek]

and this idk what the fu just happened

[plain spire]

I hate that boss too much attack delay that i make so many mistake because of it.

[hidden creek]

it's not even about the delay attack

i defused at the right moment

i got hit anyway

[twin ledge]

That’s why I don’t use her to much that shit be happening to me with her to much

[thorn narwhal]

1 gold jade, 150% elixir 3x G keys full boost awesome

[wind light]

does windfall increase another windfall

[surreal saffron]

nop

[spice canyon]

Imagine windfall increasing windfall increasing winfall .....

[fierce light]

They would be much stronger than builds without it

[plain spire]

Nitiri NS 2nd boss matron yushan and rock seems broken, they don't seems to stop attacking at all.

[fierce light]

I think rock was designed in mind with you whittling down it's Aegis with Defuses, but didn't account for it scaling so high in later levels. Doesn't make sense that it scales anyway when our Aegis Damage doesn't.

[lucid ore]

is it even possible to compete in yama abyss without a thunder scorching build?

[drifting lance]

🎉 | DDLaw leveled up!

[lucid ore]

all the leaderboard reverting back to last season with scorching doing 20-40 secs and every other build in minutes

[tacit nest]

do yall play the normal mode too or just showdown

battlepass for trials kinda sick

[lucid ore]

Just showdown for me, maybe bot mode sometime for quests

[tacit nest]

thats what i doi

bot mode

[twin ledge]

Atm yea but won’t know for the later stages till they out

[lucid ore]

I noticed the current abyss all the top people are thunder scorch now, i.e tessa, fastest with ice lotus is at least 1 min

[twin ledge]

That’s just because boss attacks

Got 26 with kurumi cause u can get 3 counters back to back right at start

[lucid ore]

ah I see

[fierce light]

Probably not, especially not against Bough. I think Lotus builds are more on par for Trios play and the like though

[tacit nest]

@fierce light i finally completed the thunderscorch build

🥲

so much grinding

[hidden creek]

2 imbue, 2 scorchings

on poison lotus build

fml

[fierce light]

You're set for Yama's then

As long as there's no mobs. 💀

[tacit nest]

the mobs ones do kinda be fucking me uo\

up

so does korvine i hate tha woman

[signal kite]

I need 1-2 mods in my scorch build but who cares started building new Lotus build

[fierce light]

Poison Lotus in current Speedrun vs 2 Thunder Scorches:

[tacit nest]

jesus bro

you cooked

[fierce light]

Lmao ofc while this theme song plays on my Spotify this happens 🤣

[wind light]

lotus deal alot of dmg

hmmmmm should i invest

or use thunder scroching

mannn im broke

[signal kite]

Grind grind grind

3 weeks of max fatigue farm = a decent build

6 Months season so

[naive vector]

somebody carry me nightscream mantihunt

[round glacier]

The game has decided that poison sorch mod is what i will be playing. Time to build up an ice build 😔

[fathom bobcat]

A decent build where everything is taken up by scorching. It's like the game is saying that the build should have 24 scorching, all other stats are unnecessary.

Recasting in an attempt to get a rare property? Scorching. Adding rare property? Scorching. Do you want to play in PvE? Friend, take scorching and forget it exists.

[twin ledge]

Lmao

Didn’t have to catch me laughing right there with emote lmao

[woven ingot]

Your luck is still at its best!

[hidden creek]

https://tenor.com/view/no-cat-gif-20807115

[wind light]

is that true

[woven ingot]

I agree that mod ice lotus does well in 3 players. I usually get the top score even when i didn’t did especially well.
For solo, the scorch clearly does better. Last week i managed a lucky top 9 on yama Korvine. I was the first of the ice users, everything above was scorch.

[woven ingot]

Rng is rng in the end. I clearly won’t have a maxed build in 3 weeks of fatigue.

And if you take tabbie as a reference you can aim for 3 months at least.

(If not 3 years)

[wind light]

naraka showdown season 69

💀

[wind light]

im going to build another kit but im fine with thunder scorching

[signal kite]

It's not max build but something that will work

[woven ingot]

If you want to cover everything, 1 thunderscorch (for solo speedthings) and one lotus poison/ice would prolly be ideal.
Now you need the mats to do all that…
I agree with Luczy’s version: in 3 weeks of fatigue you can have something totally decent that will do the job in every game mode. (Except maybe enigma peak, i can’t judge but as it won’t open before next year, it doesn’t matter).

[timid stirrup]

this is what i plan on doing. im currently working on thunderscorch cuz my poison lotus mod has 4x mod and 7x wf currently. just need a flux jade and pray i get wf. but my t.scorch has 1 mod i think that i need 2 change

[woven ingot]

That’s definitely a nice poison build. And if you got your attribute pretty much maxed on it, you can clearly start to work on something else while waiting for that last rare attribute.

[wind light]

yeah i might doing ice lotus

now i have to find darkzero build

[timid stirrup]

all stats r either maxed or 80+%. Only the single rare jade has a stat that is less than 75% but also needs correct attribute on it.

@fierce light is there a soft cap on elemental burst dmg%?

[fierce light]

No, just as high as you can get it on your attributes

[wary trellis]

Can anyone explain how to get Gambit anima ring? For some unobvious reason I can't get it no matter what. And that's not the first season I'm trying to find it. Others just tells me that "oh I getting a lot of this" and seems like there is no restrictions like "You have to use specific hero", but maybe I'm wrong and there is some requirement?
I've finished a quest to unlock it's spawn.

[timid stirrup]

it was random for me. i think i only saw gambit 2-4x last season and only once so far this season

[hearty rivet]

Yeah this week too, 20 sec thunderschorch kills start to appear everywhere, while ice/poison kills top at 40-50 secs as I see.

[fierce light]

It seems inherently random, like the effect itself. I think I've seen it 6 times this season so far.

[fierce light]

Bough is pretty much always going to favor Scorch though. But if it ends on Manticore, it might be a bit closer in times.

You can parry chain it though, so there's still that unfortunately.

[hearty rivet]

Yeah both he and Korvine are pretty mobile and do a lot of blue attacks if one is lucky

[formal lark]

You can chain parry Manticore? I was tarka third last season on para 10, so I think I know how to play Scorch with him... but I have problems against manticore with the build. With my IceLotus build wich is not even ready (no attack on it yet) I feel I do way more dmg on him.

[formal lark]

no you was too early ^^

[fierce light]

Not often that it throws a Focus Attack, but I've had a triple parry chain a few times.

[woven ingot]

In theory you can chain parry Manyicore phase 1 and 2. Thing is, Manticore has very few blue attacks. Mainly when she goes in iron skin (which is random and overall is pretty rare for me). The only common blue attack is when she throw her thunder after putting poison balls. But as it’s a very special attack i m not even sure it can trigger her chain attacks.

And the way that attack is done your chances to parry it and be close enough to do the punishing move after are low.

[fierce light]

Yeah that's also another thing Scorch could benefit from that a Lotus build wouldn't. The parryable lightning balls are usually too far away to land a Counterstrike.

But in Yama's Abyss you can restart pretty quickly as much as you want, so some of the top times are going to aim for those parry chains.

[woven ingot]

Afaik it has no special requirements. I had it on different heros. But it’s a secret animas, so not very common by default. And that one is especially rare. Like the « useless rock »

[fierce light]

I've noticed that Avarice requires at least 3 Currency Rings on-hand. So if you're aiming for that, be careful not to discard the Rolling In Its

[hollow herald]

Can souljade random gift give you souljade that you haven't unlocked?

[fierce light]

Yes, believe I got Ghastbloom from one before I beat NS Manticore

[hollow herald]

Good to know because there's no way I can beat NS Manticore

[woven ingot]

Once unlocked you can also have it with a low chance from Nirriti. That's where I got my first. But that requires to have killed the NS Manticore once, which can be troublesome ^^'

[granite marsh]

Don't have to beat Manticore on Nightscream to have it drop in Nirriti Nightscream/Legend

[fierce light]

Just a vary low chance cause of its huge drop pool.

[woven ingot]

Right, my bad, the text says "Any souljade" and not "any souldjade you have unlocked". It's even better as everyone got a chance. Even if low as it's from "Special Item Drops" and not even the "common reward". They don't say what's the drop chance for that "special". And then it can drop any existing Jade, so of course if you're looking for one Jade the chances are quite low. But still a possibility.

[bronze wharf]

need to fix that Shit , can't get out of the body everytimes .

[twin ledge]

It’s annoying I don’t see them putting time in to fix it been like that since it came out

What’s weird seems to only do it for tarka and Tessa for me sometimes with Feria near the head

[bronze wharf]

[thorn narwhal]

people really do be caring about cosmetics more than gameplay and QOL

[woven ingot]

Don't be a bad boy! Comestics are nice! 😛

[hidden creek]

i'm not, and you're blind

[woven ingot]

Talking about QoL. The guy who thought infinite respawning could randomly occurs on "capture the flag" missions in Nirriti ... may need a little glimpse of what QoL could be -.-

[thorn narwhal]

@fierce light what u think of changing builds / potential before combat

i think there should be 3 general plans linked to each tab of builds [ 1 , 2 , 3 ] for quicker change

[hidden creek]

this should've existed long ago

[thorn narwhal]

on pvp they make glyphs for characters, on pve we make for builds

[fierce light]

Oh, like have a Potential Plan linked to a Souljade Set Up?

[thorn narwhal]

yeah

having character specific plan isn't for pve

[fierce light]

Oh like that

Yeah that is odd. I tend to use the General Plan for whichever build is more universal.

[thorn narwhal]

now that im tryin switch between 2 builds it feels.. uncanny

[hard vector]

Between poison lotus and ice lotus, which of the 2 is doing more damage? Keep in mind that I almost always play alone

or are they the same?

[signal kite]

Ok I'll keep mind u almost always play alone

[hidden creek]

there hasn't been a proper compilation but from the number, most of us agree that ice is a little bit better than poison

also on real scenario poison got more chance of losing damages compare to ice

bosses jumped out of poison pool or you get knocked out before it fully stacked for example

each stack of toxified is 1 lotus so losing 1 stack = losing alot of dps, while on ice you don't have this issue since it rely solely on elemental blast to summon lotuses

[fierce light]

Damage per Burst goes to Poison, but Ice is much more consistent at procing its burst. Arcane Thunder makes Ice uncontested for mobbing, while Frozen Blast brings it more single target DPS.

[hidden creek]

Dark, does lotus explosion dmg scale with dmg to boss?

[fierce light]

Yeah, only burn doesn't

[hidden creek]

alright

[vivid merlin]

Is it about getting stuck? Not sure if that's really the case but I'm going to add something anyway.

At Manticore's phase 2, when its down and I'm using VIper, her Aegis break attack (after charge) seems to pass through Manticore like she's not hitting a hitbox, she just go through Manticore.

[fierce light]

Yeah it was really annoying trying to use poison on her cause of that

[vivid merlin]

Yeah, phase 1 is fine, but at phase 2, Viper just go noclip or something.

[hard vector]

@hidden creek @fierce light And in the case of ice, which build should I use?

[fierce light]

Someone did manage a good time with the Ice-Thunder Lotus build. Regular Ice Lotus build should be easier to use though.

[hidden creek]

yeah but that dude finished the 444 build lol

i mean like, how many people are able to do that anyway

is it even worth the investment

and the risk

[naive vector]

Where the hell can I find poison blast souljade, literally doesn't exist

[hidden creek]

wdym poison blast souljade

and wdym doesn't exist

[fierce light]

Tbf, it's probably easier in terms of rares since any roll is good

[hidden creek]

but the thing is if you can't get 444 then you better off playing mod ice/poison

also even with this perfect build, the dmg diff is not even that big

except on yueshan

need 3 more windfalls then i'm done

@fierce light https://www.douyin.com/video/7447828601145232678

just in time

444 thunder ice lotus vs 5w 4m ice lotus yueshan, upper boss is 1075 while lower is 1100

[fierce light]

Same

[fierce light]

Yeah i getcha, personally don't like the idea of using Ice without Tundra Might

[hidden creek]

watch the vid on the link i send

it's not even make a difference

though this is easy to kill boss

peak maybe there'll be a difference

but overall looks kinda meh honestly

[fierce light]

I did. More effort than the payoff.

[naive vector]

@fierce light is noxious blast the poison blast aka elemental blast?

[wind light]

what is max for scroching

12

[naive vector]

I still dont understand what is the ice blast version of poison

[wind light]

or can be more than that

or the best value is at 12

[hidden creek]

capped at 12

you can go higher, but the exceeded amount doesn't do anything

[naive vector]

yes there is, its called noxious blast

[hidden creek]

that's toxin blast

caused by 6 stacks of ''toxified''

[naive vector]

so this toxin blasts = elemental burst?

[hidden creek]

no

poison blast is elemental blast

[wind light]

thanks bro

[naive vector]

In order for elemental burst lotus to activate, it requires an elemental burst, which can only be activated through poison blast aka noxious blast, correct?

[hidden creek]

no

when your jades got imbued with thunder/ice/poison (aka wielding)

your attacks will accumulates the corresponding element

and trigger elemental burst on target when it's fully stacked

[naive vector]

but stacks only accumulate from jades that actually give stacks

but stacks doesn't mean == kaboom, right?

[hidden creek]

noxious blast jade gives the effect that everytime a poison blast happens, a stack of ''toxified'' also happens

and this toxified stacked up to 6 times = big explosion

this big explosion is toxin blast

[naive vector]

so 6 stacks means an explosion happens?

[fierce light]

No, it's just a jade that applies a stack of Toxified when Poison Blast occurs.

[hidden creek]

6 stacks of toxified, yes

[naive vector]

wow, they never told 6 stacks of toxification = explosion anywhere in the game

something you gotta figure out for yourself

[hidden creek]

wdym

it's literally there

[naive vector]

I been trying to search for poison blast souljade this whole time, and It didn't even exist. This is a chinese game and the translation isn't understandable in english

[fierce light]

The old potential tree explained it under Poisonous Assault as well. Kinda wish they just brought it down to 5 stacks.

[hidden creek]

well yeah you're confusing between poison blast (aka elemental burst) and toxin blast

[fierce light]

Ice Blasts can occur without Successive Ice Blast, it just adds an extra effect.

Similar to Noxious Blast, which adds an extra effect to Poison Blasts.

[hidden creek]

heh, poison gonna be so gud if this happens

[signal kite]

33.7% increased dmg to boss 🥵

[naive vector]

Look, this is what I want to happen:

I want to build poison stacks and as the stacks are building up, lotuses appear, and as the stacks are max, I want the explosion to happen.

[hidden creek]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-yes-yes-oh-yes-so-excited-gif-1963529362985371661

[naive vector]

Very simple thing, but very hard to achieve with the bad translations of the game

[fierce light]

Tbf in free training, they have all the jades grouped up

[hidden creek]

i mean the ''stack'' is toxifed stacks, and there's many sources of it not just from poison blast with noxious blast jade

[naive vector]

I thought nixous blast was the thing that triggers the explosions

apparently not

[fierce light]

Nope, just having at least 1 Poison-Wielding will allow it to happen

[naive vector]

so the purple icon that appears next to bosses hp is the stack right?

[fierce light]

The pink bubbles are Toxified stacks. Those can only be built by any of the 3 Poison Souljades.

[naive vector]

I wouldn't call that pink though

You also said that as long as any souljade had poison wielding, it can build stacks

I see a purple icon, and below the icon there is a number

The number indicates the amount of stacks

[hidden creek]

yeah, the bubbles looking one

is the toxified stacks counter

[naive vector]

then what is the one next to it

because I am getting that one

[hidden creek]

the 1st?

it's poison blast cd counter

[fierce light]

Yeah as long as any has Poison-Wielding you can cause a Poison Blast.

But for Toxified and Toxin Blast you need certain Souljade(s).

[hidden creek]

from left to right:

• poison blast cd counter
• toxifed stacks counter
• soaked status

[naive vector]

I am sooooo confused right now

I am here trying to maximize the damage I can output with a single concept

I don't want poison + toxin

I want just 1. I want to maximize it

I dont care about poison wielding

[hidden creek]

well you have to care if you want to maximize your damage

[naive vector]

I want an explosion that cuts hp like butter

[hidden creek]

🤷‍♂️

[naive vector]

Then explain to me how poison wielding is related to toxin

[fierce light]

Souljades that stack Toxin require a Poison Blast to even work.

[naive vector]

because to me, poison blast sounds like different entity from toxic blast

[hidden creek]

it is

they have connection, but they're 2 entirely different things

[naive vector]

What I am trying to understand is. Is poison wielding required for toxic to work, or is poison wielding just a cherry on top or ''extra'' damage

[fierce light]

Noxious Blast

• Activates on Poison Blast
• Builds 1 Toxified stack on activation.

Pestilent Pool

• Summons a Poison Pool on Poison Blast
• Builds 1 Stack of Toxified per 2 seconds, up to 2 Stacks for enemies standing within.

[hidden creek]

poison blast is elemental burst, which caused by having poison wielding on your jades, doesn't matters what the jades are, if they're poison wielding then your attacks will accumulate poison and eventually cause poison blast
toxin blast is caused by stacked 6 stacks of ''Toxified'' effect onto the same enemy, and to stack toxified on enemy you need certain jades which are Infectious touch, Noxious blast and Prestilent pool

[fierce light]

Infectious Touch can technically work without Poison Blast, but requires something to inflict you with Corruption.

[naive vector]

so what I should do is imbue poison wielding to all my 6 jades. That would activate 6 stacks of poison and 6 stacks of toxic = maxing the attack

my confusion is. Does poison blast work the same as toxic blast. requiring 6 stacks? and only way to get to 6 stacks is by having all 6 jades imbued as poison?

[hidden creek]

read

[naive vector]

is there a meter or something to indicate how much poison I have accumulated?

[hidden creek]

no

[naive vector]

the higher the poison wielding the faster it accumulates right?

[hidden creek]

yes

[naive vector]

I see

I understand it now, thanks

The reason why I wanted to go so deep into this is because I wanted see if there was a even more powerful build than the one you posted

[naive vector]

this one

I was trying to figure out if there was some souljade that could be switched to get a greater damage output

[hidden creek]

on poison lotus build there's 5 jades are core jades already

[naive vector]

you are right

but 1 of them is not

[hidden creek]

you can only replace miasma drive with something else but there isn't really a better option

[fierce light]

Hard to beat nearly free 25% Attack

[naive vector]

My friend destroys bosses like butter in nightmare mode solo and refuses to tell me his build. So that is why I am so eager to find out why he is so powerful

I have to be sceptical that he is not using the same build as you

[fierce light]

You can see their highest level builds in their profile under Showdown

[naive vector]

How can he do more damage than 3 players on the same sense level as him

[hidden creek]

lol what a dick

dw if there's a more powerful build the chinese has already came up with it lol

[naive vector]

Thats the thing

he is Chinese

[fierce light]

Poison Lotus is 3rd strongest rn for current contents

[naive vector]

I thought they were all equal

[hollow light]

What's this logo Tessa has?

[fierce light]

Collection probably. Looks like the extreme hair

[hollow light]

Gotcha, thanks

[naive vector]

anyway thanks guys for the help

[hidden creek]

tbf it's not just the sense level, it might be their jades just better than yours

[hollow light]

now that I look at it, it's probably the Whale Badge

[signal kite]

[bronze wharf]

you mean body ? Through the body and not getting hit a damage?

[vivid merlin]

Yeah..

[fathom bobcat]

+++

[drifting lance]

🎉 | Гусев/dagot leveled up!

[bronze wharf]

looks like the problem is boss

[hushed rock]

how do i get the last lotus anima ring?

[timid stirrup]

Poison essence at start will give the chance for miasma lotus

[hushed rock]

ahh thank you :D
there also 3 secret rings im missing, is there anything special i need to do?

[woven ingot]

Depend n which you have. I'll bet the missing ones are Useless Rock, Inferno Hero and Divine Army from the sky?

[drifting lance]

🎉 | Migosha leveled up!
ℹ | Level up messages can be disabled for the guild with owo level disabletext

[hushed rock]

yeah useless and inferno hero, if divine army is from this cave woth the 2 bosses i have that already

i have these (+avarice)

[woven ingot]

Great if you have Divine Army as it is the absolute worst nightmare to have.
Useless Rock and Inferno hero are linked, you can only have Inferno if you found Useless Rock earlier in the same run. Both have an extremly low chance to appear (and you can have the first without getting the second).
If there is a condition with Animas to have first, I'm not aware of it.

So your last missing one is Gambit.

[hushed rock]

inferno could be hydroflare something?

[woven ingot]

Could be Hydroflare, but from its effect I would bet on things linked with charged attack.

That's the one you miss, the name is confusing, it's not about fire but charged attacks 😉

[hushed rock]

and what about gambit?

[woven ingot]

As far as I know it's also a random one with a vey very low chance to appear. For a terribly bad Animas moreover.

[hushed rock]

but i cant believe its just random these have been there for 2 seasons now and i never got them. there must be something im missing

[woven ingot]

Never saw someone mentionning "you need X animas of that type". Doesn't mean it's not the case, but that I'm not aware of it.
I saw them very very rarely.

For useless rock, from old messages I see, you would need to play Viper Ning, Temulch, Tarka Ji or Matari.

[hushed rock]

ooh that could be it, i never play those

[woven ingot]

If you never play those, that could be a reason (beside the fact they are extremely rare)

I can't tell for Tessa, as she wasnt released when that message was written.
I know I had a rock not long ago, but I can't tell if it was on Tessa or Ning.

I would bet Gambit also has a requirement, but I don't know or see any information about it.

[fierce light]

You need Poison Blessing I or higher for it to appear

[woven ingot]

@fierce lightin the guide in the Target Attributes section you use "x4 Ice Blast DMG, x4 Attack" on the builds. I'm missing the point, shouldn't it be x6?

The Blast DMG/Attack being exemples, it's the same for all the builds.

[fierce light]

Ah good catch, let me fix that.

[woven ingot]

As you put the rare attributes before, I bet your mind got locked on multiples of 4 ^^

I'm trying to figure the meaning of the color scheme for Jades' names. White/Light Blue/Red/Purple. It's not the rare attribute you'd want on them. It's not the season they appeared in.
Is it how important they are in the build?

[vagrant girder]

anyone for nirriti ruins hard ? my sense lv is 781

[woven ingot]

Do not worry for your sense level, Nirriti doesn't use it 😉

[vagrant girder]

Fr😭

[woven ingot]

The only thing Nirriti takes into account is what you unlocked in the Fire Forge (the bonuses you get from season challenges). And, I guess, your hero level.
It doesn't use your build, your potential nor your sense level.

[vagrant girder]

Thanks

[fierce light]

It's a work in progress. Red being the hardest to acquire, Blue being the easiest.

[woven ingot]

Alright, that makes sense that way ^^

[timid stirrup]

If u never play them it will b hard to get useless rock. Higher chance when u play either of those mentioned and apparently yoto can get it also

[jade lodge]

can anyone help me to clear 9stars in doom mode?
sea server

[stoic rapids]

I think doom is pretty ez except the manticore

Spam nirriti mode update jade

[rancid rivet]

i cant fucking win manticore nightmare man

im lvl 1055, should i get more lvl first?

[hidden creek]

it's enough

you should work on your build and gameplay

[rancid rivet]

kk

im running this

[woven ingot]

That's solid, the Ice Lotus minus Ghastbloom, that's fine.

[rancid rivet]

yeah, only problem i have i freeze to death

but im doing manticore for ghastbloom

any other way to get it?

[woven ingot]

Yes you can have it in Nirriti NS. But the chance is very low.

For the freeze it's the downpart of that build. Hitting will slow the freeze a bit. And you're supposed to use your ultimate/skill when the freeze procs to cancel it. But without Moderation X4 it's not easy to do, as you won't have your skill often.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HiFRw0Opaec

That can help you to see all the attacks and how to react to them.
Manticore asks for quite some training to be at ease with what she's doing.

And don't forget she's not very agressive and doen't have much long range attack. If your life is low, run away and take your time to heal.

[rancid rivet]

ty broski

[hidden creek]

you can time your F/V to be immune from the freeze

[vivid merlin]

if I'm not mistaken, you can defuse before you freeze, that will cancel the freeze itself.

[fierce light]

Depths Blast + Frozen Blast + Sub-Zero Seal is pretty much a death sentence. I'd recommend Yushan Shadows, Defuse Thaw or Cinderfrost in place of Depth's Blast.

[rancid rivet]

need yushan shadows for that

kk ty

[vivid merlin]

Like @fierce light said.

[jade lodge]

i know, but i cant find game with random matchmaking at all

[stoic heron]

I am currious, does anyone know what type of build that deals the most amount of damage in Nirriti's Ruins? i've run alot of runs and from my experiances i feel Awakened/Thunderbuild are strong. But what are you guys favorite builds?

[bronze wharf]

idk about others but i run with Ice + Elemental + Lotus .

[stoic heron]

Is that on all Heroes or are you a one trick? xD

[bronze wharf]

what do you mean ?

[stoic heron]

As in, Are you using that build for every hero or just for 1 specific?

[hidden creek]

really depends on what anima ring you get
for example i usually run burn + poison but if i get Sheer Momentum i'll defo switch to thunder

[bronze wharf]

oh ! I run all hero with that .

but sometimes got a bad drop ring so i pick random like a range card XD

[stoic heron]

Alright 😄 i will give it a try ^^

[fierce light]

My usual go to's:

• Thundershock + Lotus
• • Yueshan
• Thundershock + HydroFlare II
• • Any Hero, except Wuchen
• Thundershock + Yin Yang + Awakening I
• • Wuchen
• Ice + HydroFlare II
• • Viper & Wuchen

[round glacier]

Burn/hydroflare on 12 gets you the atomized ring which makes it a breeze. Chars with lots of hits like tessa/wuchen are great with awakening. Personally i just get everything to 4 unless 1 type comes alot.

Tessa with awakening 1 on horizontal attack is funny as hell. Just running around spamming thunder lol

[rancid rivet]

ok im gonna kms

i did it

but no ghastbloom

got it from a drop kk

does this build look good?

[hidden creek]

i mean it's literally the basic ice lotus build

[rancid rivet]

kk ty

just wanted to know

cuz was looking at zer0 git on the build

[fierce light]

Yeah that's listed on there

[wind light]

lotus + any elements

i finished nightscream with 2 people with lotus maxed

kinda op

3 people in hardest nirriti can finish

legend nirriti or something i forgot the name

[thorn narwhal]

honestly thunder + max counter buffs seem to outdamage everything, specially with sheer momento xD

damn days for his dominating every leaderboard is over

he even switched to ice lotus

[trim token]

aaaaaa, so close

he had 1/4 health left (Rock)

[fierce light]

Glad I'm on Xbox boards tbh. Can be more lenient with my builds

[granite marsh]

For this fight:

1. Is the combo pattern optimal? Charged Horizontal > Aegis Break
2. And is defusing a better option vs parrying?

[loud citrus]

guys what is the best jade for health? like, something that heal you over time, or give u more health etc.. i keep dying 😭

[fierce light]

1. Yeah, Charged Horizontal has a shorter animation, leading to more overall DPS than Charged Vertical. Also leads into Aegis-Break quicker.
2. Parrying is usually better in most cases unless you're using a Defuse HydroFlare build without [Scorching].

[granite marsh]

Even when Aegis is broken do I keep up the same combo? Or should I go Charged Horizontal > Dodge > Charged Horizontal

[fierce light]

Yeah, his Aegis-Break hits really hard, especially with Aegis-Break Rage on the potential tree.

You generally want to avoid dodge canceling with Wuchen since it has a much longer animation than other dodges.

[granite marsh]

Got it, cheers

[round glacier]

Sap best for that.

[loud citrus]

it called sap?

[round glacier]

Yes

[loud citrus]

oki thank you

[round glacier]

You counter blue focus attacks and then get a shot in

Can heal alot in chunks, just relies on blue focus attacks to archieve that though

Good for boss fight

In trios there might be a better option. Or you can just play with kurumi lol

[signal kite]

Thunder with Lotus cooked 🍚🥢

[signal kite]

Is that speed run leaderboard and he's using ice mod ?

[fierce light]

He got that run with me lol

[signal kite]

lol

Have to say that's very fast

[signal kite]

[rocky bay]

+1 showdown 9k

[tacit nest]

anyone know the astral 3 boss yet?

[woven ingot]

Yueshan can face tank if in Ultimate form during the rotating breath and the 50% hp special lightning phase I bet?

[fierce light]

That's not out yet

[fierce light]

Yup. Face tanked the entire thing

[woven ingot]

Not risking of dying is already quite great, and also being able to do damage at a moment no one can, as they are the "run for you life" phases.

[tacit nest]

i completed ns nirriti

when do i aquire ghastbloom

?

[stoic heron]

you have to kill Manticore on Nightscream difficulty

[tacit nest]

i was told that wasnt needed

that if ns nirriti was completed i could get it as well

[bronze wharf]

just make your decision XD

[fierce light]

It's not guaranteed. Very low chance actually due to its humongous loot pool.

[tacit nest]

from a might or just from ns nirriti?

[fierce light]

It can drop from there, but you can't choose it in choice gifts till you beat Manticore NS

[woven ingot]

Falling asleep while fighting, she's got talent!

[stoic rapids]

Any one want play rn sv sea?.?

[warped pumice]

how do u complete this challenge?

[surreal saffron]

upgrading means going from 1 to 2 on the ring, that would count as 1 of 8 for this achievement, if you have a ring at 3, that counts as 2

[drifting lance]

🎉 | Nova leveled up!

[cyan grove]

Hello, how does the Ice lotus build works?

[wind light]

do you have ice lotus potential points chart

[fierce light]

Yeah it's on the site:

[fierce light]

Mainly just attack enemies for Ice Blast and the rest is automatic.

[thorn narwhal]

just noticed they removed finish a nirriti ns run without any rings challenge

[woven ingot]

There wasn't a "without any ring" was it? The one there was last season and that they seem to have removed is "complete a NS without more than 3 animas type".

[thorn narwhal]

yea its basically nothing as u only pick 2 rings

the element blessing counts as 1

[woven ingot]

That one was rude, I'm glad they removed it. I was pretty sure I saw it the first week, but couldn't find it after second week.
In a way it was extremly easy to do if you were in party. As soon as you got 2 types and the game don't offer one of those, simply close the window and ignore them until the run is done. You can't take green scrolls, but so be it. You can give your coins to your teamate, so even if you don't get stronger, they do for you.
If you're in solo it's much more troublesome to stop getting Animas.

[thorn narwhal]

yea was interested to see how it plays with something like gambit but that never occured

[woven ingot]

Gambit would work. But you have to find gambit before being "locked". Or i could even stop at "you have to find Gambit"

[cyan grove]

Oh, well pretty easy then

Would it be possible to add Cyan Fang for Viper in this build?

It's pretty easy to spam it and I feel like it could potentially help in that build

[fierce light]

Yes, you have a free slot

[woven ingot]

Cyan is great, you'll get less damage than with Frozen Blast, but to learn a fight it's very good as you get some life sustain. Making it easier to make errors and still go on with learning the fight.
It can also be good if you're in a party in Enigma and you are the jungler.

[cyan grove]

what is the meaning of the colors?

[thorn narwhal]

@fierce light does yushan shadows attack scale with ice blast?
and compared to non mod is it better than arcane thunder

[wind light]

appriciate

[cyan grove]

yeah, I love this jade, especially on viper

[thorn narwhal]

does it accumulate also

[cyan grove]

Nice, thank you

Iirc tundra might drops from nirriti nightscream and above

[fierce light]

Yushan Shadows is Extraneous DMG. So doesn't scale from Elemental DMG or Weapon DMG bonuses.

It does a lot of Ice Accumulation though. Guaranteed proc on even bosses iirc.

[thorn narwhal]

oh that's interesting

[lucid chasm]

what level can i get tundra might?

[thorn narwhal]

nirriti nightscream

[lapis sundial]

Is naraka down for anyone?

[tacit nest]

i was gonna say maybe

shii lagging helllla hard

[lapis sundial]

Getting this error on my roommates series S but not on my series S

Cleared game data in console settings, wiped network and re-did connection, tried hard reset with holding power button down and even unplugged

The only thing I haven't tried yet that I can think of is reinstalling

But if we do that we prob just gonna play PoE 2 for the rest of the day and let naraka dl over night 😂

[tacit nest]

good ol xbox

i remember those days

just switched to pc not long ago

[fierce light]

They can probably help you better in #❓┃help with that.

Cause I haven't seen that before on my Series S.

[plain spire]

Try relogin steam, that's what i do when i encountered that problem

[wintry mantle]

what is defuse in showdown?

[drifting lance]

🎉 | depressnloneli leveled up!

[wintry mantle]

is it just a better parry?

[plain spire]

You can defuse normal attack and blue focus attack instead of using (shift to dodge) you use defuse ( some certain boss you can't defuse blue focus attack)
Parry is ony for blue focus attack

[ebon parrot]

is there a guide for manticore

the second stage seems to have like way more attacks than matron

[magic prairie]

https://youtu.be/HiFRw0Opaec?si=FdJ90fBmL-YGpB5E

[timid stirrup]

just made this. only need atk on it now lol

[amber terrace]

noice

same but i use ice

[timid stirrup]

nice

it was the last rare for my build. im 4x mod 8x wf now

[hidden creek]

show stats

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[naive vector]

what does luck do?

@hidden creek

[timid stirrup]

@hidden creek

i still need to max out a few atk and poison blast attributes

i have a 3.4 n 3.2 atk and a 28.9 poison blast

and once i change the last attribute to atk it will b 80%

[woven ingot]

Asking tabbie what is luck, that’s cruel!! 😂

[cyan grove]

I got exactly 5 rare attributes this season, all of them were moderation, idk how you guys get Windfall

[timid stirrup]

tbf most of the windfalls was from last season. this season tho i did get double windfall on toxified lotus

[signal kite]

I keep getting windfalls all I need is 1 mod that's it ahhh

[grand pier]

How do I level up my sense level up faster I’m at 810

[fierce light]

It's a slow process

[grand pier]

so just play a bunch of games or is there a mode that will level me up faster?

[sterile kraken]

Dios les llama al arrepentimiento. Nosotros pecadores merecemos el infierno por haber roto la Ley de Dios; nuestra propia conciencia nos condena.

Por eso, Jesucristo (Dios en la carne) murió en la cruz. La Ley fue violada, pero Cristo pagó la multa. Él sufrió en cambio, como Sustituto, y resucitó después de tres días y vencio a la muerte. Ahora está sentado a la diestra del Padre.

Arrepiéntase y ponga su fe en la Persona y obra de Cristo, y entonces así será salvo de la ira de Dios.

“Porque por gracia sois salvos por medio de la fe; y esto no de vosotros, pues es don de Dios; no por obras, para que nadie se gloríe.” (Efesios 2:8-9)

[round glacier]

Niriti normal is your best option. Gives enough blue jades to level up

Put them all into 1 jade to get that 1 higher. It should increase the level of drop jades. With higher level jades its easier to get the sense up of your other core jades

[woven ingot]

Simply spam Nirriti normal. You'll get lots of Jades. And you need to spam it to unlock the bonuses/do the season challenges anyway.

[round glacier]

Each run increases the sense level of the drops

[woven ingot]

With just doing Nirriti your sense level will level decently fast.

[round glacier]

Good way to learn the many bosses to

[woven ingot]

But I'd use the autmatic leveling sense button, not put all in one Jade. I don't think the game take your highest Jade sense to choose the level of your rewards. But more an average of your 6 or 10 highest.
And by spaming all into one Jade you'll lose lots of leveling.

[round glacier]

Meh if leveling is the goal then i would not focus on leveling at all but increase the sense level of the drops as fast as i could

If that makes sense lol

Just do runs and stack jades till the drops reach the level you want and then start leveling

All other blue jades just convert in a purple and deconstruc

[fierce light]

Yeah the level of the jades dropped will increase per run even if you don't level. So you can convert the low level blues to purples and golds.

[woven ingot]

You sure about that Dark? I had the opposite feeling when leveling. That if you leveled your Jades the drop increased faster.

[grand pier]

If I'm playing a character that uses the longsword and then equip aerial rend poison, does that poison effect work for me or only if I have a greatsword character?

[fierce light]

Only for Greatsword's since Longsword doesn't have the Aerial Rend attack.

[grand pier]

ok thanks because I was wondering, also what's the best build for tessa?

[fierce light]

Thunder Scorch for Yama's Abyss.
Probably Ice Lotus with Arcane Thunder for mobbing.

[stoic rapids]

I dont know how but i alway timing fail the thunder

[grand pier]

why am I getting sense level 760 stuff when I'm playing at sense level 815 lol

I just fought gelid yushan

also do your potential points reset every season?

oh nvm I figured it out, the limit is 760

[woven ingot]

Yep potential get reseted every time afaik.

[grand pier]

Is it possible to team with someone higher rank and do missions with them to get better stuff? like for example if I'm level 815 and team with level 1000 will my jades be higher now? or does my stuff only scale with me

[fierce light]

Drops scale individually. Best to do the lowest thing you can do that can drop things above your level.

[summer canopy]

hey guys i have a question
how can i help someone level their souljades fast to catch up to me? does anyone have any recommendations?

[granite marsh]

Nirriti Normal is the fastest, but I'd do Hard instead because its not that much longer and has way better drops

[summer canopy]

aight thanks so much 🙂

[naive vector]

@granite marsh I need your help

I helpu needu in tha nightscream moodo, chapter 5 and 6

[granite marsh]

Sure, i'll be on in 30 mins or so

[naive vector]

awesome

[wraith summit]

Yall know the best way to get showdown seals? Ive played showdown for a while and haven’t been able to gain much. Worried im missing the obvious 😭

[fickle linden]

got fatigue capped and just to senselvl 1049, i need to wait reset for more levlups?

[woven ingot]

If you're out of fatigue, yes. Nothing you can do

[fickle linden]

trying to do astral 2 yama but i need little more umpf to finish the boss or to play better 👀

somehow i defuse way better with tessa than with viper

[round glacier]

Tessa defuse much better

[fickle linden]

never noticed it before

[round glacier]

Difference type of defuse if im correct

[fickle linden]

also there astral 3 is locked and says its available 26th? are the rest of levels timelocked

[fierce light]

Both have Defuse Solve

[fierce light]

Yeah they release weekly

[round glacier]

Really my bad lol

[fickle linden]

do they release weekly like from when i started the game, or when i get to certain boss or to certain sense lvl?

[fierce light]

Same time for everyone

Just like Enigma Peak is locked for everyone currently. No one on the leaderboard can go above Astral 2 rn

[bronze wharf]

i think i bug the boss before Menticore Ulti with just timing XD

[woven ingot]

I'd like her to do that versus me.

Just standing still and do nothing.

[fierce light]

If only this jade was any good

[woven ingot]

Getting trolled. Great stats, poor Jade ^^

That's why you shouldn't look at the stats of the "bad jades"

[fickle linden]

aaaah i did iit

took like 10 tries but now all yama levels available down xD

[woven ingot]

Congrats. Now it's waiting for a few days for the next unlock.

[quaint girder]

I still use it

Anything that changes the base attacks, my brain juices are happy

[fierce light]

It changes the follow-up to an attack that is already really long and misses half of it's hits on most enemies.

Wish they gave one for the charged Vertical

[fierce light]

7.8k Lotus ticks with barely any upgrades for it

[woven ingot]

That's surprising you get that much with so few Animas for it.

[woven ingot]

So no more 12 burn for you, you're trying Lotus/Element to compare?

[woven ingot]

Ah right you play Yueshan with a different loadout.

[fierce light]

Yeah it's a fun trios build

[woven ingot]

Tabbie, you need to get your bad luck back please, I got too much of those lately! 😂

[oak spindle]

would anyone be able to help me with this... I tried to do it solo but I failed 😭

[drifting lance]

🎉 | 月07 leveled up!

[fierce light]

Yeah i can, what's your ID?

[oak spindle]

Its in my bio!

7783500040164

[hidden creek]

RUDE 😂

[timid stirrup]

what is the rotation for yueshan in ult form? I'm only getting 3 skills off and i have no idea what im doing wrong

mainly cuz i dont normally play yueshan

[fierce light]

Had an interestingly fast run with Ice build.

[fierce light]

I think 3 is the max amount. 16s Ultimate, 4s cooldown on Ice Blast (with Frozen Blast).

• 0s - Skill
• 1s - Ice Blast
• 5s - Skill
• 6s - Ice Blast
• 10s - Skill
• 11s - Ice Blast
• 12s - Skill

The timing is really tight if you're aiming for 4 Ice Blasts.

Actually yeah the last skill doesn't matter since it's cooldown will be gone anyway on detransformation

[oak spindle]

Would you be able to help me with souljades?

this is what I am currently using but I dont know if I should do one of the recommended ones or not 😭 like the one I showed above

[fierce light]

As far as builds go, I've listed all the meta ones on the site : #👾┃showdown message

[oak spindle]

Oh wow okay thank you, do you have any rec on which one I should use to just get through the story?

[fierce light]

They should've given you some jades you can use for the poison set for logging in, can use that for now

[oak spindle]

so this?... sorry Im a little lost 😭 showdown cofuses me a lot

[fierce light]

Yes

[oak spindle]

Alright super thank you!

[fierce light]

You're welcome

[timid stirrup]

interesting. i couldve swore that the video of the person using yueshan did 4 skills

welp. at least i know im not completely off

[fierce light]

You can do 4 if you skip the 4th Ice Blast

[timid stirrup]

oh i was using poison mod lotus

[hidden creek]

so apparently this is possible

[fierce light]

Oh, the cooldown is too long for Poison lotus

[fierce light]

Yeah it even works against Aureate's charge

[hidden creek]

tessa really got one of a kind of a defuse

[signal kite]

Demi defuse

[woven ingot]

How do you do that? It looks like Wuchen multi defuse.
Just after the defuse you defuse again? I m not seing you having a blue charge (and i bet you d get hit if you did that).

A little trick i found yesterday for Manticore in Nirriti, in the boss arena the place where you re supposed to come from had a kinda arch. A very small part of that arch is inside the playable area. You can use one grapple to jump up there and then spam « jump ». Your character will grab the ledge and try to climb the roof the usual way. There is not enough room to stand on the roof so you ll fall. But spamming jump you ll grab the side of the roof again. Stay doing that and you re done with the breath phase for the cost of one grapple.

[hidden creek]

defuse but don't let go of rmb, keep holding it, then you press lmb she will defuse again

[woven ingot]

Oh?!! That’s some nice trick! So you’re being a Wuchen.
And … that’s a Tessa unique thing due to her strange position mid air after defusing or all heroes can do that?

[hidden creek]

only tessa

she's also the only hero that can lmb after a defuse to cast a charged attack and can rmb during this attack to defuse again actually nvm i forgot valda exist

so this mechanic is exclusive to her

her defuse is unlike any other's

[woven ingot]

Ok too bad. The multi defuse would have been sweet for that and also some of Manticore attacks that are very close to each other.
Or the worst of all: the ball transformed into that big 5 hits « cloud ».

On the video the guy simply dodge right and left like it’s nothing. Tried that. And I got hurt 😂

[fierce light]

Yeah it requires some timing, especially on Trios ping

[hearty rivet]

Thx for the tip :) and fwiw, could reproduce it with Matari too :) (just held down the lmb and kept tapping the rmb)

[drifting lance]

🎉 | Ardiehime leveled up!

[sour wedge]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-revenge-of-sith-anakin-vader-darth-vader-gif-19644107

that move always kills me

[fierce light]

Yeah, you can thank the Defuse change Matari got for that.

[lone umbra]

does fps and ping matter here?

[hearty rivet]

Only a couple of seasons and her daggers get fixed too 🥹

[hidden creek]

i think ping and fps always matters

[lone umbra]

damn that i have fps but no good ping 90-100

[lusty pilot]

What are windfall skills?

[lone umbra]

It increases the other attribute value by 50% of that souljade. Ex. If you have attack attribute in your jade valued at 4% then windfall increase that value to be 6%

[lusty pilot]

Ok

[warped falcon]

Should I deconstruct these two for the flux shards?

[fierce light]

Hard to say. They aren't necessarily bad jades, and if Thunder Scorch ever gets nerfed, they'll be the go-to following that nerf.

[fickle linden]

is getting showdown seals really slow without showdow pass?

i need 65 more, idk where to get them anymore tbh

i have the reward box that gives either skin or 100 seals but id like to have the longsword skin too

[twin ledge]

I would keep flaming in case

[warped falcon]

Which one Blade or flame

[warped falcon]

Ok thanks

[twin ledge]

Defuse flaming blade

[warped falcon]

Ok ty

[twin ledge]

Could still be useful for a lot of things

Wait u do have thunder burn with 12 scorching?

[gleaming zenith]

any ressources for the new showdown Potentials?

[fierce light]

All the currently used Potential Plans can be found here.

[gleaming zenith]

Thank you!

[topaz goblet]

anyone down for showdown harder difficulty?

[dusk crystal]

Guys is there to get higher percentage for element here u can see it’s +9
How to get higher now ?

[twin ledge]

Dmg to boss

[dusk crystal]

No I mean my poison blast is +9 how to get higher

[twin ledge]

Switch dmg to boss to poison would be the fastest

Or u can recast value but I would just change dmg to boss

[dusk crystal]

recast value doesn’t give anything I try

[twin ledge]

There is a chance it goes up not everytime it will go up

[dusk crystal]

But wdym change to damage to the boss

[twin ledge]

Can Change poison into a random stat and recast dmg to boss till poison appears

[dusk crystal]

aha

[dusk crystal]

Then i switch random to damage to the boss?

[twin ledge]

Yea

[dusk crystal]

Ok I understand now thx .

[twin ledge]

Np

[tacit nest]

you think thunderscorch will get nerfed???

its like the hardest to get and use

[fierce light]

Good chance of it considering how they nerfed Backfire + Desperation in the past

It's pretty much uncontested in Yama's Abyss right now, aside from the mob based ones

It's about equal in difficulty to get as a mod build though

[lusty pilot]

Did you solo all showdown? I struggle to get through some defense levels even though I have higher sense level. I tried multiple times but still stuck, what should I do?

Current at 760 hard mode

[fierce light]

Immovable and None Shall Pass are sort of build checks. You can have a higher Sense Level, but if your build doesn't synergize quite right, it won't be clearable solo.

Particularly for those types of stages, an elemental build is strongly recommended. It'll be hard to get most of the core jades, but they're giving out the core ones for Poison for 7-Day Login event. Unless that event ended, then you're kind of out of luck. There's the Thunderpull + Thunder Counter you can get from a first clear around that stage as well.

[lusty pilot]

I have the ice souljade build, but still feel like lacking dmg due to slow lotus spawn, anyway to increase the spawn rate?

[ebon parrot]

does anyone know if the points (stack up to 2400) for this thing (like if i collect the jades now, will it remove 600 or do i continue)

and I saw someone have like 27 gold jades why do i only have like 4

[hollow escarp]

this is possible!?!?!

[leaden relic]

Yes, happened to me too as well. Moved the void enough and then beast spawned to the same spot. Shouldn’t happen but occasionally these 2 appear same time on same spot.

[hollow escarp]

not even

he spawned on top of him

when we were fighting

xD

[leaden relic]

Yeah happens, dunno why

[hollow escarp]

new stage not yet play test throughoutly possibly

i was running for my life till team shows up

[leaden relic]

Your team mates has enhanced the % up while you were on void, this same happened to me as well. Obviously it shouldn’t happen even if we all boss spawn spots were occupied with other bosses even, yet it does. Make feedback if it’s bothering you and want it get fixed, not sure if someone already has done it 🤷‍♂️

[lusty pilot]

Can souljades’ attributes be duplicated?

[fathom bobcat]

Obviously it shouldn’t happen even if we all boss spawn spots were occupied with other bosses even
Why do you think it shouldn't happen? If players for some reason decided to go the most inefficient way possible to spawn a lot of bosses, why should they be prevented from doing so?

[fathom bobcat]

Only rare, if you mean having the same attributes on the same jade.

[woven ingot]

I wouldn’t call having two bosses active on the same spot « efficient », more like a slaughter 😂
I had Korvine phase 2 and water dragon in duo. No need to say it’s not really efficient as all as there is nothing you can do with the permanent attacks they deliver.

[plain spire]

if only this is elemental lotus

[woven ingot]

To avoid the double boss situation follow Dark’s explanations on the guide: you kill mobs up to 170% (one boss spawned plus 70% done for the next) and go kill the boss. You ll do 3 bosses in a row that way. They won’t double spawn.
When in party it can be bit more chaotic. But tell your jungler to spot doing mobs when one boss is present and 60–70% of the bar is filled so it will be easier.

[woven ingot]

A nice Christmas gift in advance 😉

[woven ingot]

You can redeem your 600 points reward. You ll have up to 3 others for 1200, 1800 and 2400.
As for the number of compensation chests it depends on your bad luck until now. 4 chests to get means you had quite decent jades drops.
Not sure people can reach 24 for any given 600 segment. If so, don’t be envious that mean they had nearly zero gold and purple jades dropping for 600 fatigue. Not something you want. Ask Tabbie 😂

[lusty pilot]

I think the problem was my technique, I didn’t cast combo and charged attacks so I couldn’t get the build to its potential, I have learned to improve and gotten through all the hard modes. Thanks!

[gleaming zenith]

Guys do you consider WuChen to be a Aegis or Health DPS ?

[granite marsh]

both

[gleaming zenith]

oh, I was hesitating on how to build him

[granite marsh]

Doesn't really matter which meta build you go for, he does everything pretty well

[gleaming zenith]

alright thanks ~

[leaden relic]

Other maps have not spawned double bosses for me, nor I found any feedback of it happening before (can’t tell if was before the wipe of feedback channel) and I wouldn’t call it inefficient way to spawn all bosses in trios, as it’s in the picture. Yama will have double bosses, so I don’t necessarily see it as bad even if bosses spawned on top of another, bigger poison splashes at least 🤷‍♂️ Like I said, idgaf if it’s there or not, I told him to send feedback if it’s bothering HIM.

[fathom bobcat]

IIRC it is possible on other maps to spawn multiple bosses at same time.
And yes, it's not time efficient. There is no better method of spanning bosses one after another, where after killing one boss, next one immediately appears in same place.

[hidden creek]

there's only 3 spawning spots for bosses on the whole map
so if you have 4 bosses alive at the same time, one of the spot will have 2 bosses

simple as that

so to avoid it, don't have 4 bosses alive at the same time

it shouldn't happens anyway since if you have 2 bosses alive at the same time then you did something you shouldn't already

[fathom bobcat]

On new map? 4. Celestra - 5, Desert - 5.

IIRC

[leaden relic]

@hollow escarp in case you want to avoid that in future, read what tabbie said.

[fathom bobcat]

how many were in north Morus I don't remember.

[hidden creek]

it doesn't matters, if 3 bosses is alive and you spawns the 4th one it will spawns on top of a spot that already got a boss

and for quick clear you never let 2 bosses alive at the same time, if you did then you made a mistake

not to mention spawns 4 bosses

that's really screwed

it will make the run take alot more time cuz you have to travel alot and with each bosses spawns the mobs are enhanced

[signal kite]

[fathom bobcat]

Of course. This is the reason why I once had to write guide on Enigma, because as a newbie I failed many times to pass it simply because I didn't understand how to properly distribute mob slaying/boss killing.

It's a pretty non-obvious point for those who have never played/played little. Surprisingly, optimal passing pattern was also new to many already experienced players.

[hidden creek]

unless there's a bug which make 2 bosses spawns on the same spots where there isn't 3 bosses alive at the same time

but i doubt it

cuz i've ran like 500 enigma and it never happened

[magic prairie]

Not ppl ranting abt how to do this and how to do that when its just abt basic enigma. As long as you clear do what u want. U dont always have best mob build in ur team or best boss build in ur team. As long as u clear it none gives a f

[hidden creek]

someone spit onto your bowl or something?

[plain spire]

In enigma peak the mobber needs to know what he is doing though for the boss killers to not run around going to point A to point B boss spawn.\

[hidden creek]

they asked why it happened, i explained and add an advice so they won't make the same mistake again and cold make a quick clear, suddenly i'm ''ranting'' now?