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Just run the non-lethal burn talent and spam Ember
But yeah on other stages, it will be more apparent.
Well I mean ya since there is hellhole, I was speaking in general I guess.
Im sure Enigma is going to be obliterated wednesday. Especially the Thunder one.
All new anima Rings
do we know what bosses will there be in enigma peak yet?
may new boss
its possible to get similar time with normal hydroflare build
i got 1:20 without even having 12 scorching
would be possible to go lower but need to play perfectly and get good rng
i think like 1:10 should be doable
if everything is perfect
[Eerie] form Matron Yushan on ice, Metal on lightning and Tree on poison. I assume. About rest of the filler, I won't even speculate.
Yes but this is because of hellhole
i mean its helpful but the main damage comes from scorching
like the problem is mostly scorching dmg output
thunder counter build just streamlines triggering it
but if u get good rng with boss releasing many blues
the difference is not that crazy
like rn i think optimal strat is
4x trigger ember
get good rng and parry blue in first 10sec
boss will change to ghost phase
u need to defuse + parry one ghost early
then u can nuke boss down to minimal hp
then parry one more ghost, keep scorching charge
defuse aoe flame
shoot him in the head to switch phases
and preserve scorching
then u start next phase nuking him with saved scorching
and hopefully he releases one more blue quickly
then he goes ghost phase
and here u need to parry enough ghosts
to put him low enough
so he dies after ghost phase is over
last season having scorching was still strong on hydro build
just not crazy strong
now its strong enough to be a build on its own
separate from normal hydroflare
either way i find this build fun
honestly i would rather see more builds buffed to this kind of power lvl

that is a lot of msgs to read 

I read the last sentence of you saying you wish more builds would be buffed to this kind of power level and that was it for me. This build is not its own build its a hybrid of Thunder Counter/ Hydroflare dependant on having alot of rares. This is exactly why it is hard to get people into showdown, especially now with all the vets having 3 rares PER jade and Max attributes. Finishing the top Yama levels in under a minute and I am sure Enigma will have a huge disparity in times as well just gives no desire to even want to try. Hydroflare build was strong last season nonetheless but Ice Mod still had its place, Thunder Counter would still compete, and Skyfire as well. Hydroflare is still second but it cant beat this build regardless of Hell Hole.
Imagine trying to start out and catch up to any of these Scorching Counter builds with how hard it is to farm Crystals and Fragments right now....it is a joke.
u missed one thing. it was already the case before u needed multiple rare attributes per jade and honestly maxing out regular stats to 100% is probably more expensive than getting rare attribute
there was already build like this, moderation viper that required multiple moderations
Wishing more builds were as strong defeats the point of having skill...If the boss fights are this quick it lowers the skill ceiling and gives people less room to make a mistake. Having to know the bosses patterns and being consistant is less important vs just having a strong build to practically 2 shot the boss.
the truth is u wont compete with these top dudes even if u have all souljades with maxed stats. they played so much they play much better and understand bosses much better
like look at some video from cleraring yama 60 last season
with copper ward
guy can get oneshot at any moment
but still pulls through
Yes but that was earned over a long fight
55 seconds vs 6 minutes even 3 minutes is big difference of consistency
its less about grinding down gigantic healthbars and more about perfect execution
remember also we are very early in the showdown season
the scaling is still pretty weak on current stage
Perfect execution is crazy, well just agree to disagree.
the boss isnt even sense lvl 1030 yet
also they removed P2w from yama
last season cleanse stones were extremely helpful
in high yama runs
another thing is last season rng played very heavy role
even if u played perfectly, without luck getting jades fast, you would not be able to clear in time
remember its not pvp. its pve
its fun to be OP
there is still many things in showdown that make it accessible for new players
like for instance new poison jades require very little investment to clear fast
they should fix rng involved in getting rare attributes though
like instead of trashing bad jades to get more rare attribs it would be better if we could just spend some fragments/crystals to redeem flux shard
This is a completely different subject....
last season nothing could compete with hydroflare in yama
it was pointless to even try any other build
Missing the point of what we were discussing
Hydroflare wasn't 2 tapping bosses, I could care less if there is a Thunder Scorching build but it is to strong.
its 2 tapping bosses that are very low scaling
current paragon 1 is laughably weak
compared to last season yama 50+
when they unlock last stage of yama this season
probably will take several minutes at least
even with thunder scorch
you cant seem to stay on subject here...
what is ur subject here?
I know last season Yama was different from this season, point is regardless of how weak it currently is, no other builds are doing what this thunder scorching crap is.
Ignoring the one Hell Hole level people want to bring up, the disparity in times is nothing like Hydroflare was last season.
i mean even last boss
without thunder build
u could do it in 30 sec or something
probably
.....
yeah thunder scorch was still faster
but at least on EU u could still claim top1 or top2
without even using strongest build
thats pretty accessible no?
the guys from 2 onwards are just straight up trolling
if it takes them
almost 5 minutes
doing this boss
i mean if u compared last season
hydroflare clears 60
next non-hydro build
mybe 50?
Good night
This week yama thunder scorch is not that better than the hydroflare build
Thunder scorch is slightly better still
ye i agree
last week was bigger difference
as the boss was kinda pepega after switching stage, not wanting to release many blues
Ew, Aegis-Break Assault is so bad.
Yeah I got 1:12, I'm at Scorching 6.
Honestly, it makes sense for Scorching to be stronger than the Defuse Burns. Harder to land a Parry than a Defuse. It also makes sense for the Defuse Burn build to be stronger than the Elemental ones, at least against bosses since it requires more mechanical skill to pull off.
I don't think Scorching should be as strong as it is though. Nearly 5x the Burn damage than Ember and base damage that's higher than Toxin Blast, while also being able to reach a higher max damage bonus (x1.6 for Toxin Blast, x3.35 for Scorching) is a bit nuts.
Literally everyone keeps crutching on Hell Hole omen ....
I mean tbf between the Jellyfish Omen for Poison, Divine Strikes for Thunder and Hell Hole for Ember, a lot of Yama's is abusing the Omens for extra DPS.
even stuff like frozen spikes
u can defuse for free
but this defuse is only beneficial to certain builds
i dont stay on hellhole
that run was with water and fire raged
Looks like devs learned from the thundercounter+scorch thing ^^;
That's the way the old Counter Heal Potential worked
Which I'm surprised they haven't done for Scorching. You also only get one stack of Mighty Counter Resonance from a Thunder Counter.
Ohhh, didn't know that. Was it an 1.0 thing?
👀 Huh, true! I forgot about that collection bonus
@woeful monolith yo u ever end up getting the skyrace done just wondering?
paragon 1 abyss is kicking my ass, i cant beat it, i have a poisen build which i kno isnt the most ideal but i just wanna kno is it just a case of learning to not miss and defuses or parrys, i defo feel like my damage as poisen is sub par tho but ive annoyingly got alot of red attributes on the jades so im hesitant to respec into a higher damage meta build i see topping the boards
playing as feria but ive tried it as a few differernt characters
even still i see someone with the same build as me cleared it and is ranked 6 so it makes me wonder is it just me not playing correctly or missing something glaringly obvious
Attribute-wise you want:
- Increase DMG to Boss
- Attack
- [Windfall]
with the 4th slot varying between: - [Windfall]
- [Scorching]
- Poison Blast DMG
- Melee Weapon DMG
Paragon 1 isn't very ideal for a Poison build though cause of Hell Hole.
i can defo believe that, but the question is, how has this guy with the same build as me and worse attributes cleared it in 2 minutes and got to rank 6
i cant work out how he has nuked the boss down so quick, like possibly a solid attempt with good rng and no mistakes or what? i dont feel like im doing the damage i need to be doing or maybe im doing the incorrect rotations etc, idk whatever it is its bugging me, hence me reaching out here, espesh after seeing your vids of clean af optimal fights its crazy to watch im ngl
i got 12 scorching, 75% moderation and 2 windfall, all highest rolls, so a literal shit load of stacked gems
How who nuked the boss? Depends on the build they're using
Oh damn
rank 6 on the leaderboards got my build with worse attributes and killed em in 2 minutes
What potential tree are you running?
i suppose some of my rolls on the non red attributes havent been attempted to get closer to higher rolls
Aegis-Break Rage, Hydro's Bound, & Poisonous Assault are the most important glyphs.
ive tried a few different variations but im have this right now
Okay that's right. What attacks are you using on the boss (i.e. Charged Vertical, Charged Horizontal, etc)?
i used all my recasts i just had maxing out all my red attributes, maybe ill just farm more jades to get higher rolls on em
the aegis break spam with defuses when i can and parrys, maybe i aint really got the pattern of the boss down and get hit too much or make mistakes
ive had some decent enough runs with crazy long parry chains which got me into 2nd phase but thats it, i cant see how someone using my build is blitzing the boss in 2 minutes unless im doing something incorrect, like i saw a vid of someone clearing it using a different built and absolute melts the boss, aint no way poisen build doing that
i really am a bit annoyed i just settled for poisen as it feels like im just worse off with no real other benefits i guess, idk its good in enigma but there aint too much else content so basically bosses are the thing you want to be best at currently in the state of the content we got to do is what i am forced to think
Yeah I'd recommend setting up a Poison build and work on a Hydroflare-based build
Poison will help a lot on those Speedruns with lots of mobs, while Hydroflare will work on anything Boss-based (except the 4-headed Giant).
this what i got going on right now
even this and reds on all but stormstride currently
What time did you get?
switching to something like this
i aint even beat em, but i feel like i was way over 2 minutes even the furthest i got alone, i guess i am getting hit too much because im making mistakes so thats on me really, but seeing the rank 6 doing that i would love to see him kill it so i could see how he was playing exactly tbh
last season yes, this new one I havent t r ied
tbh i suppose now i think about it i do stupid things like defuse when i get hit after by the following blue attack, but the amount of damage im dead so quickly, not much room for mistakes at all
watching a feria nuke them down so fast using another build it literally didnt even give them time to be able to get hit so much, like the almost insta dropped them into 2nd phase with insane burst damage
the video i see is lordshen beating in 55seconds, and i think im seeing them using the hydroflare build youve advised to go for
but yeah they are so crisp and on point with every single input, i suppose im sloppy and just need to fine tune and learn, i just never had this complete stop before this stage released
okay i think i recognised my issue, i need to just dodge more and not defuse and work off parrys
coz you get some stupid 5+ parry chains ive noticed
ayy i cleared it atleast, thank fuck
not amazing time but alot to perfect so im fine with that
@fierce light what are fastest builds to clear enigma solo?
and what time would u expect on celestra map?
Fastest iirc was like 3:30 with the Thunder Scorch build. The Desert map does seem to take longer cause of the way the camps are spread.
Oh if u need route I made a video for the best route I’ve found atm
@fierce light wanna farm ruins?
Wait nvm
Max fatigue atm, waiting for tomorrow
I low key just did it , supringly easy . Time is a bit high I think.
appreciate it tho
how u spent fatigue
in showdown?
aye. i mean, 2400 is big
I found a new route that can get u below 28 to 25 seconds
But only one weapon I’ve been able to do it was heng
Trying to get it lower but really hard with this weird lag
Alot of people are running it I think is why, Im not a big fan of the pillars they put in they dont register for shit.
How many season does it take for the red badge, Ive done like 3 or 4 seasons and im still blue. But now I have a red one in my inventory which is strange
No it’s not they don’t register it’s the ping in fairy land
If it was fairy land could get below 20 seconds because I wouldn’t have to work about slowing down
At start I lose like 10 seconds just to land on top of it perfectly
ya
i kinda figred way to land on it pretty good from first scale rush
But the floating platforms I just cant get a hold of so i just decided to slide down the ramp and im only about 2 seconds behind the other routes time
So how do i get the red secret ring when i have useless rock?
How u got the useless rock
and i got it on stage 3/15
No im saying u get red how u got the useless lol
ah i meant how to turn it into the red one xD
Yea u get it like u got the useless rock but later on
I’ve got all rings but 2 range I swear they never appear anymore after I get it 2 times and that red ring too I couldn’t evenly get it but finally got it randomly
I swear the range rings be rigged for me
dang xD for me it'll be the gambit one
Now we have 3x more rings and I didn’t get it last season it’s never appearing lol
Gambit should be called the useless one tbh
haven't seen it or have it since the starting of this season xD
sad me
you be fine xD everything have it own unique trait
I’ve seen it so much but I’ve only ever grabbed it once
you made me sad bro :<
Oh was just saying it’s the worse and useless thing I’ve seen naraka add in game it’s like they couldn’t think of something and just put some random asf like they did with being yoto and not Tessa to showdown
ahhhh
hm i wonder what im doing wrong
🎉 | ImbaSkillz leveled up!
was getting like 7+ min clears
but i still dont have optimal build
defuse raging flame still in, waiting for 1 more scorching to throw it out
i do a bunch of mistakes for sure. like i dont always have scorching charge saved when i move between camps
Just go to Nirriti & repeat, 45 ftg per game. Do normal Nirriti if you need crystal & if you need crystal + jades for fragments go Nightscream Nirriti
Does the red anima ring only appear in legend mode?
Dam showdown needs to do a better job at making shit less obvious of how rigged game is for na
They need to stop doing that weird favoritism and fix the fcking servers sad ass game fr fr I can’t
Could of had many times under 1 minutes on Yama newer stage
I got it in normal mode
But everytime I get that time needed game does weird as shit Ik for a dam fact boss doesn’t do but u know def isn’t rigged weird asf how obvious it is
Wow youre so lucky… 300 games later and i still dont have it >:
Only certain weapons have the red jade so better make sure u play a hero that has the weapon (gs, dagger, duals at least)
longsword too
Yeah i usually play viper or tarka. I was told by someone to restart if i didn’t get useless rock before the first boss so I’ve been doing that but still no luck. Does anyone know if the chances of getting is higher in trios mode?
Try Temmy I got useless rock n red jade first run after I spam with viper for 2week 😅
dont think trios vs solos matters
Oh okkk ill play some more later then and try again :<
Okkkk
any trick to get aqua chains 😦 still missing it
Appears to be random tbh
playing viper ning ice all night dont have it, swap to thunder and get it at stage 2, really weird
hi, im trying to get Red Gelid Yushan badge, only done Hard so far, 775 Power thingy, can anyone tell me what i should do now?
i have the full Hard campaign done, Nirriti Hard done, Doom 9 stars, Yama Gold 2
i cant progress any further so im asking here if anyone has an idea of what my goal should be rn
keep farming nirriti and enigma for a good set of soul jades
i have a good set afaik
so what are you trying to achieve
you can't do it?
then go up your sense level
ive been told she is super aggro and pretty tough
how? do i replay any level?
like what if i spam Gelid Hard, is that efficient?
im new new to showdown haha
as i stated, nirriti and enigma farming
it unlock after you cleared chap 4 nightscream iirc
Each mission has a max level that it can drop. Farming it past that point will be inefficient. Chapter Missions also generally just have the worse Fatigue / Souljade ratio, so you're better off in Nirriti.
Interesting % on conversion
grinding Nirriti rn, my autistic ahh self wants to get all Cards too so win win ig
is Fatigue that important? im at 1k+ rn so 100% Rewards, lost 50% already lmao
or 33%, not sure
Well if you're not reaching the cap weekly, then probably not. It pretty much determines your progress per week.
ah okay
I want some one to help me with showdown
Do you have questions or you need in-game help?
For finding groups, I'd recommend #🐲┃showdown-lfg.
Oh oky
How do you finish this? I been stuck for 2 weeks now
It's a weekly quest. Any of them that mention Nirriti's Ruins counts.
Okkk Ty
huh in this new game mode poison vipers just melt everything 👀
Yeah, every ability cast summons water spears that hit everything
does anyone know which stage is the best to farm poison jades?
The event will be when the 2nd part is out. Otherwise you farm the new chapter on Nightscream or hope that they drop in Nirriti's Ruins Nightscream.
So it's more by luck, thanks for the tips 
You can use Tarka and spam in Ultimate.
Or use Valda and spam her low cooldown ability.
finally some good luck
no more ghetto setup
i tried stormstride sword, incineration and defuse flaming blade
flaming blade seems kinda useless
stormstride sword is rly good
incineration not bad also
but idk hard to test on enigma
prolly need to do testing in yama
stromstride sword is excellent for clearing mobs though
now 2x more scorch and it´s perfection xD jk that looks nasty
Bruh, what is this
😭 but when you want moderation it refuses to give it
What is the maximum level of scorching now?
Still +12
Use ur skill
Yea
@fierce light lol, i think i see this skill somewhere
Haha nice
Good to know
Congrats on the win
What is the optimal fatigue usage again? 150% enigma 100% nirriti?
Crystal = Nirriti, Jades = Enigma
thanx
you're rolling away your rare attribute? I guess if you only want scorching
More useful having any other rare or a max attribute than Moderation on that build.
My build problem right now but I'm scare of rolling away the rares stats
Got like 3-4 moderations and a few scorching on my poison build for wuchen.. he doesn't need those
feels bad rolling them away .. idk
Yeah I'd roll those away last
But Moderation is pretty much useless for Thunder Scorch, unless you're Viper ig.
@fierce light i wanna ask, farm in event is better?
For Crystals no, maybe for Fragments.
I don't think it beats Enigma w/ Gold Key though.
what do u can do?
Hi, does anyone know what the new potential of this build is?
thanks dark zero < 3
is the same for copper, true?
Yes, Copper is useless without Blazing Flame (the Green Node at the end).
guys can i get a tteam for enigma peak ?
thankssss
I tried it without copper, now go with copper to see how it goes
can i get spring's call in suffer no demon even if i didn't complete miasma swirl nightscream to unlock it?
how hard is new enigma peak?
the answer is yes
Suffer no demon is great for reaching max level lmao
1 min clear and like 15-20 jades for me
15-20 jades?
I only get like 5-6 ish
Still good for farming tho since it's so fast to complete
Haven't checked if it uses fatigue tho 🤦♀️
so like everyone is stuck at 1080 progress this week?
dont u get 1100+ if u clear enigma peak?
Yes, you get it.
so diligent study, fabled hero, and great haste "Red" badges are still no clearable right?
Challenge of the week?
maybe u didnt complete some nirriti challenges?
i believe i am 1029 without clearing enigma peak
Giant killer
u need to kill 8 bosses in enigma peak
so even after i defeat the final boss, i will be 1080 o.o
wdym u will be 1109
you had 1079
oooooh shoot i thought i had 1050 only
+30
ok ok
How's Enigma Peak compared to last season?
Somewhat more sweaty, it seems to me. There were Eerie forms of Aquatic Omnius (both), Wood (both), Rock (both). Initial bosses are the same as on Topaz.
Only thing is, Beast died very quickly from poison.
guess his body parts exploded?
Ofc. And two players with poison kept him from attacking, just breaking aegis by cd along with his limbs. So you can save a lot of time on him.
Yeah Elements and Extraneous sources do a crap ton of damage to his parts
whats a good way to increase sense level? first time playing 2.0 and it feels like no matter what I do my drops are kinda low
They won't be more than 3 levels higher than you. Between Nirriti Normal and the Limited Time Mode would be the fastest. When you can clear the first 3 bosses of Enigma Domain, that's also an option.
What about levels from temporary event? They are very quick to get through even in solo.
second one has level sense of 1010 for dropped jades
I seeee, has it always been like that with the 3 levels higher thing?
if so I don't remember that being a thing in 1.0
dementia is catching up to me
Yeah pretty much.
Yeah lol. Finally Cleared all Peak!
nice
could someone help enigma peak ?
im down for it
They're on SEA/AS Server
=)) too lazy :3
I'm on a vacation actually
yh like everyone got max sense
I will start farming after this week

When peragon 2 will unlock?
it opened today
eerie omnius rock
with stone monster
I can pass on my first try i believe
1017 sense is enough right?
Depends on you
I got 1.30min on paragon 1
No idea how strong is peragon 2
Then I'd say you can clear Paragon 2
Since someone who finished it in 1:33 last time did this one
Then It's fine
Hydrofire is still good
Yeah
Sad 😭 I hate omnius rock sm let alone eerie
How do I play Suffer No Demon?
Rip looks painful, but how do i access the gamemode? One my my event quest say i have to play one
durr i found it im good
Holy Cooking Boss
Wow they got creative
spin the wheel lol
fucking stupid stone monster
it's kill me so many time lul
finish paragon 2 with 10s left with 1010 sense
not so bad 😦
eerie omninus fire feel harder than eerie omnius rock
lul
the crab is rolling XD
Didn't think we were getting double bosses in Yama's this soon
Granted Stone Monster takes forever to start attacking
yeah, but it's just attack at the right timing :3
he usually dies before he attacks XD
Yeah feels more like a measure to keep you from bursting Rock down as he's spawning.
Jesus
60 runs of Suffer No Demon to complete the Elite Monsters quest
well at least all my Fatigue will be gone
well if you strong enough :3
i cant even find a match for it 😐
So about an hour of it, when you account for loading screens.
It doesn't care about your sense, so as long as you have any decent element build, you can clear it pretty fast solo.
i dont have the full thunder build yet, im still needing thundder counter... should i try it solo with matari or wuchen
you can solo it, its pretty easy
Should be easy with Wuchen for sure
Wuchen, Matari is just bad atm aside from some niche burn builds.
is he good? i unlocked him for showdown bc someone said i should but havent used him, ive been soloing matari up to where im stuck on hard rn
aw dang
Wuchen is one of the strongest heroes in Showdown currently
I run an Abyssal Aura build, its fun, but I hate the hitbox bug that gimps my DPS
currently what im using
you dont have fire
Wuchen has __ __
- the strongest ultimate in Showdown right now.
- the strongest martial skill.
- among the best AoE.
- a really reliable Defuse.
- flexibility to work on any build (although he's iffy with HydroFlare).
- the highest DPS kit.
currently i only have matari at lvl 20, wuchen is at lvl 12 now so im missing out on alot with him
you dont have defuse flaming blade nad defuse raging flame?
im still new, im only lvl 52 and ive literally just soloed through it not havin a trio
i solo most of the time tbh :3
I wouldn't recommend equipping Thunderpull without Thunder Counter, even if you have Thunderproof.
i am using a funny thunder scorch build with 6 thunder wielding because i a windfall for divine thunder lul :3
oh ive kinda destroyed and used all my other soujades uping this build and chnaging the attributes
well thunder counter can easily farm
what does thuinder weilding do exactly?
You can re-equip it later
im saying i dont have another soujade atm to use in its place 
But generally the builds listed under player's favorites and the ones used at the top of the leaderboards are reliably good.
more thudner wielding = more divine thunder dmg
You can use an Attack Souljade II in its place with Thunder-Wielding
ooooo i did not know that i need to start using my essence
you'll get a build up thunder much much slower
with 6 thunder
0 thunder with thunderpull
you'll get zap a lot
it's good with thudner scorch build :3
but thunder scorch build need so many resource
so unless you are lucky
i do get zapped alot as of rn, its usually what kills me... it killed me in my yamas abyss run\
dont use it
HOLY
ya imma hold off on that
i already feel like im not doing enough dps on these hard levels as it is
Don't start doing that till you've settled on a build
@fierce light do you think thunder scorch build with 6 thunder wielding is fine :3 or just go with 0 :3
Ideally one that's already been established since they're generally BiS
well you just need higher sense lv first
start your build later
just spam the event
so ok you saying that... is it a bad idea if i want to run stormstride instead of draco slide and be full lighting?
it's easy and fast
You want less, that table doesn't account for accumulation on yourself, that formula hasn't been deciphered.
it gives matched sense soujades?
plus 3 lv
The challenge drops up to max level drops
Matari is hard-mode ... I also had started on her and played exclusievely Matari until I hit a wall. Then I tried others like Viper, Kurumi, Yueshan, Yoto, Tianhai and was impressed how comparatively easy they are ... Wuchen is still missing on my list, but I do recommend to try others out. And if you have some alchemical crystals left, you can quickly level them to at least 12 (to get defuse) ...
Dagger unfortunately has really bad DPS and awkward hit boxes that make Matari perform worse generally.
ya i legit only play matari in this game, even in heralds trial i only play her
i also just got my wuchen to 12 a little bit ago and my yotohime is 13
my bad
no yoto
viper
She's only good in cases where her Souljade build can carry her, like Burn builds, but even then, it takes more effort.
i see
okok ill swap my souljades over to wuchen and give him a go
brb im gonna try the event thing
@fierce light if i have like 150 divine thunder damage, is it worth to mix thunder scorch with 6 thunder-wield :3
tbh matari defuse fell really weird to use
well, there are some strange effects, maybe my playstule is just weird, but I got stuck at Yama Empyreal (with that Ice Thingy) and funnily beat it only on Matari ... flying dagger (dreadful wail) ftw ...
so i dont like burn build on her :3
What is the base damage of scorching? And how much did it increase this season?
Also flaming blade, raging flame and ember what are their base damage now and how much did it decrease from last season?
a lot tbh :3
Not really, Thunder Scorch wants to dodge cancel their Thunder Counters, while Thunder build wants to carry them out.
well you parry 4 and hit 1 scorching hit
but tbh
i think 0 thunder is much much stronger
i just like zap zap zap the enemy too :3
25% (per level, maxed at 12) of your Attack per tick for 18 seconds.
It was increased from 11% of your Attack.
that per lv right
try to get the last scorching for 12
but no luck for me
😦
got windfall instead
lul
They increased it 14%, that's more than double, very nice
does 2 scorching lv 3 in 1 souljade stack?
So [Scorching] +12 does 300% of your Attack per tick. For a total of 5400%.
Meanwhile, Thunder Counter does 329% of your Attack per Counter. For a total of 1316%.
Yeah
Sorry i didn't understand what thunder counter doing
Do you mean the burn damage from potential when triggering element?
Oh wait, sorry that's the base at 0 Thunder-Wielding, fixed it
wait wuchen is kinda fire
Burn Damage from Scorching
so if we have 150% thunder divine dmg
better for now?
So why they put ice wielding in thunder - draco build
the total damage is like 3xxx dmg
What about the burn jades? Why are they so poor even with multiple windfalls?
Thunder Counter w/ 150% Divine Thunder DMG = 3290%
Still less than a single [Scorching] +12, nearly half the amount.
Even at 360%, the optimal max, it would equal 6053.6%, which is slightly above a [Scorching] +12. But ideally you'd land two [Scorching] +12's per Thunder Counter.
[Scorching] +9 = 4050%
is wuchens defuse just a fancy way of blocking for that special attack??
also how do you guys know what your % on stuff is?
Yeah it's a 3rd option of avoiding damage, besides Dodging and Parrying. It deals bonus damage to Aegis as well.
In the preparation tab, there's a button on the top-right that shows all your stats.
ooo sickk ty
So does sorching work at least with poison and red potential?
Yeah, each [Scorching] +3 is roughly equal to an extra Counterstrike's worth of damage.
wow thats sooooooo butttttt
I wouldn't worry about that till you get all the right jades tbh
you willing to help me out with the second challenge of suffer no demon? im gettin hit too hard at the end by everything
I can help if you're around and on NA server
Does Stamina Strike Ice Wielding exist anymore? Regular Stamina Strike says incompatible, but I can't find it in the Narakapedia either
I can't get on atm
they so weak compared to previous season
I mean burn jades, just replied to wrong message
what is their current base damage compared to the previous season?
They're still the same
Just Blazing Flame got nerfed so the numbers you see are lower even though they're higher from Water and Fire Raged.
Do we know what the % chance is to yield a rare attribute?
Used up all my souljade fragments rn and no rare in sight 
It’s random
I’ve recasting my old Draco around 1k times and not even joking or being sarcastic and not a single time rare appeared so I refarmed a new Draco then it gave me scorch in 23 recast
Truly random then oof
Oh well time to farm for materials again xD
But should be able to get a rare if u keep recasting the same stat like 100 times from what I seen just spam recast and seems game gives u it
Is it just me or these rewards each week are getting worse when it comes to dropping purple and gold souljades at 150% on enigma? @fierce light
Idk, they were alright for me.
I haven’t had a game (gold key) that’s dropped me more than 2 non blue jades and I’m at 450 fatigue now
That ain’t normal
finally finished peak poison xD
lol this was fun the thing rolling around
@limpid pecan i did it!! 😄 😄 ❤️
Damn sound luckier than me
That looks scary to fight in Yama's. Strong suspicion it'll be whatever is after Paragon 5
i think it will be eerie bough at paragon 5
wait, there's more after paragon 5?
They're going to have to skip a boss or two if he is
- Scorch
- Rock
- Matron
- Aureate
- Void/Beast
- Korvine
- Bough
How is that luckier? I’ve already got all my build jades to 1030. I don’t need blues I need purples and golds to get souljade fragments 😭
i think they skipped rock... either that or they put rock and matron in paragon 3 together
because paragon 3 is full of ice oments
omens*
Every game one of my games I would get all blues than at most 2 non rare jades
I at most get the front page full of non-rares, but it's still a lot of rares
Huh? Paragon 2 is Rock.
ahh my bad.. so paragon 3 matron does make sense
4 is definitely aureate
with thunder omens
5 is not showing anything yet.. so i guess you're right, there will be more than paragon 5
maybe a mid-season patch and sense lvl bump like last season o.0
I’m needing that front page of non rares wtf 😭
That was only at 150% tho
What is the recommended wielding for each character? Like, I was told that a poison set is good for Matari, I don't know if that's true. Or is there no specific recommendation, it depends on each person's gameplay? I made my Wuchen with ice wielding, is it good? 
what is your best time on the new gamemode, the 1010 sense one, everyone?
any wieding has a reason to be there, and that reason depends on the build that you're running, not the character
but why though? why do you care about the ''best time'' for an easy newbie friendly farming map?
Hm
understood, thanks 
idk it seems fun to try to get a good time?
does anyone have like a newbie guide for showdown? i see a lot of things about "_ is good" "the _ build does that much better" but I want to know the why. either like normal showdown or nirritis, both would be useful. i still pick the first essence entirely at random every run of nirriti. I have no idea what works well with what or why.
id prefer it not just be like 85% numbers, but ill take what i can get if thats all there is
Is it possible to kill 2nd phase rock in one go?
First tries lol. Ended up dying more each run 🤣
Ugh, finally. 5+ minutes, but kill, so my 2nd least favorite boss this one 😭
When it comes to Wielding, it's determined by 3 things:
- Are you going an Elemental build or a Burn build (only viable main damage sources atm)?
- If Elemental, then you want the matching Element-Wielding.
- If Burn, then you want Thunder or Ice.
How effective an Elemental set is on a Hero depends on how well they synergize with it. This is mostly determined by the -Wielding Souljades they can use, the base DPS of their weapon's attacks and how clunky their attacks are.
For Matari for example, she synergizes really well with the Cyan Fang Souljade, it's currently her highest DPS option at the moment. However, cause her base DPS is really low, she builds up Thundershock really slow in the Thunder build, making it not so good on her. So that leaves Ice and Poison. Poison is pretty much powercreeping Ice at the moment, so that's what people recommend.
For Nirriti, Thunder Essence is generally the best unless you're going for a Ranged build, then probably want Poison Essence. Ranged builds are only advised for Heroes with a Cannon as well since other Ranged Weapons are pretty lacking at the moment.
For newer players, outside of Nirriti's Ruins, I'd say you should avoid Ice builds since Poison just beats it in sheer damage output (only advantage it has, is it's slightly faster activation rate). Poison builds also require minimum investment to do high damage as well so you can't go wrong making one. The 2nd part of the limited stages will be out <t:1727913600:R> and it drops everything you'd need from the Poison set.
I didn't know that
thanks for the help 
WOOOOOOOOOOOOO
finally got counter
OOOO I DIDNT KNOW IT WAS GONNA HIT IT AT THE MONSTERS
i thought it was jsut gonna make it not hit me
Is DMG to boss better than Attack?
On what
I wanna say in general for damage output. At the moment i have matari w thunderbolt awakening build w tundra nd sub zero
Attack is better
A lot of builds scale off attack think atm only poison really helps with dmg to boss but the rest attack will make u do way more
Might be wrong but from why I use attack works better
Okay thank you!
Any tips for paragon 1? I can't beat this... thunder/poison build. Nothing works for me. Maybe i'm just really bad((.
DMG to Boss > Attack; for non-Elemental DMG when going against bosses since it's often the only DMG Bonus source.
Attack > DMG to Boss; everything that doesn't meet the above criteria.
Equipping the Armor Guard Potential can help, but it can also leave you one shot if you Burn for too long.
i have seen these but which build do you use for which hero? im always confused on that
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Yeah probably
You can think of Scorching on a non-Burn build as +100% Counterstrike damage.
Sounds like it wants you to make a Thunder Scorch build
I should probably do that, but I wanna get my fourth Scorching first
What if they improve scorching rare into:
Counter: deal elemental damage base on your main elemental damage.
So it can do burns, poisons, ice
That would be a nerf for Burn builds (since it's not an element), but definitely a buff for other builds, especially Thunder build.
@fierce light chan, what builds do you use to clear thunder-wielding and ice wielding?
and also do those stages have different bosses?
I didn't run into Omnious Aureate or Matron like I was expecting. I think the bosses are the same between them; Void/Beast, Rock & Bough.
I ran Burn builds. Tried a poison build, but then it gave us Impassable so it was painful.
yeah, also cyan fang and the omen where the mobs counter, don't really mix either XD at least for the mob clearing guy xD
Yeah I could see that being an issue too. That love to Counter Tarka's Cyan Fang.
question, if theres 2 rare on a jade, salvage would give u 2 shards?
alr thanks
no
only 1
in situations like this, should i try to build an entirely new jade or just recast the scorching o.0?
i have very little shrouded jade and it's really not enough 😦
Better try a new one i think...because its gonna take same crystal to get another rare <100
ok meow
Quak
Recast rare on same jade as I see you have good stats.
If you got a better jade only then would recommend to start fresh.
@fierce light how does a poison cannon potential look like?
Is there any progression guide for new players? im at 736 sense level right now
Check the Pins for old guide & more details..
The Making of new guide is in progress by DarkZero.
I think they got nerfed too
Sense can b raised pretty quickly rn with the new event and build a Thunder build at the same time
A poison build will b built next week when 2nd chapter opens
Who else can a poison mod build go on other than viper?
Anybody? Wuchen is good, for example.
Damn I was hoping tarka would b ok. Or have a version of it.
Oh i could've sworn it gave one per rare, weird.
i swear i only got one though.. but is it like a random kind of thingy?
killing 120 elites in new event is really annoying
hmm no
Tarka to an extent. Fireball + 3 Petal Fall Flurries should proc Poison Blast on a boss. Should help to keep the debuff active.
it should be 1 per 1 rare attribute
i am doing it for the shrouded jade without fatigue and i am about to fall asleep
Does someone know how much % health/armor healing formula recovers on counter?
Wuchen is probably the worst for it, you don't want to spam his ability and generally would have worse DPS trying to use it.
Nice. But to what extent
How much less effective would it be
Ah
If the Fireball and Arcane Thunder hit a small mob, it should proc Poison Blast instantly. Also in his Ultimate it would be really good cause of Arcane Thunder spam.
Didn't see the edit part
I'm still far from a mod build as I only have 25% but it's good knowledge 2 b aware of
Yeah if you get 50%, it lines its cooldown just right with the debuff. Above that helps with mobbing.
So ur telling me I have hope... lol
For poison cannon build which potential you recommend?
The one with two in the Blue Path. That's not for Thunderbolts.
anyone want to do enigma peak :3 cant find a party anywhere 😦
Ive tried getting into this mode but I find it so confusing, is there a guide anywhere
There's a website in the pins, but it's a bit outdated (info mostly from last season).
Thank youuu ^^
For now you'd probably want to grind Suffer No Demon to max Sense Level while also getting some pretty good Souljades and other materials.
Do I grind the challenge one
Yeah, when you've reached the cap for the normal one
Sorry, what do you mean by the cap for the normal one
They both have a different max sense level they can drop, it'll list it right under where you select the mission.
Tyy
Does my potential plan work in Nirriti's Ruin? I assume not
No. It has an isolated progression system, aside from Hero Level.
I was looking at some of the builds but im missing some of the souljades, how do I aquire those specific ones
In the narakapedia, it'll tell you where a Souljade can drop if you haven't gotten it before. But for the most part most of the meta Souljades can drop from Nirriti's Ruins - Nightscream or from the Suffer No Demon mission.
Hello, what is the best way to farm purple shards so I can destruct them for materials please?
Purple Shards? Flux Jade Shards?
Start by grinding to max sense level, either in suffer no demon or nirritis ruins. In nirriti your jades dont matter at all, just make sure you get your characyer to lvl 12 to unlock the defuse move. For quick runs I used either tianhai (any build) or tarka (full ranged build)
Tyy!
Enigma Domain seems to be the best bet, other than that, somewhere between Nirriti's Ruins and Suffer No Demon. They haven't really given much information on the drop rates, but Enigma Domain just gives the greatest amount of Souljades per Fatigue.
Alright, ty
Im currently grinding suffer no demon, is it always just a +2 increase to sense level per completion?
I got more than +2
The soul jades im dropping are just +2 each time so its taking a long time
That's pretty weird because I got like +5 or more
And after a few run, I often get +1/2
I started to play yesterday, I was 900 ish
now I'm 1010
I started today but I started at 700
I'm getting +4 rn
Yeah it's going to be a long grind, but it's consistent.
Damn, ill keep at it then, ty
Ok, I managed to get all the jades for the hydroflare build
can someone explain to me how it works like I'm 5 please?
(I'm on Viper), I don't know if I can use it on Wuchen
oh wait, can i not do the limited time thing solo? 😦
wdym
suffer no demon, i dont see the solo/trios toggle
uncheck fill party
oh thanks
attack to build up raging flame
defuse to get the dmg buff from solidification/aegis break and for your next attack to cause burn (raging flame and flaming blade)
attack to apply burn onto target
dash to summon a wave which apply soaked onto target (draco stride)
burn + soaked = hydroflare
when hydroflare triggered, incineration give u dmg boost while also burning urself
u got burned = build up ember, ember full = next attack also cause burn
How do the spear attacks works in buried giant? Last time i tried to use it and flew towards the mask and fell to my death and seemed like nothing happened lol
stage known bug
try to aim it directly at the eye in the middle of a face
and don't input anything else while doing it, wait till the whole animation finished and you have fallen down to the platform, only then you start moving
Ok thanks! I'll try that.
Just tried and still no luck...
Any strategy to beat it quickly i hate this stage 😂
still fall to your death and nothing happens?
Yeah
I'm supposed to use the right click attack right?
no
Ohhh
just aim, left click
That might be whats causing the bug tbf
lol
Just clicking the wrong attack button
😂
Im only at 800 sense and struggling hard mode
The korvine boss (no mount) took me ages cause she refuses to blue attack
For one, you can use it on Wuchen, but you'll have to play him a bit weirdly.
To explain the Hydroflare build like you're 5:
- First, you use your fire tricks to make the bad guys feel hot and burny (Defuse Flaming Blade & Defuse Raging Flame).
- Then, you do a special dodge move that splashes water on them (Draco Stride). This makes them wet and super burny at the same time!
- When you do this, all the burning happens super fast, like WHOOSH (Hydroflare)!
- Your magic clothes then make you feel a little hot too, but that's okay (Incineration).
- When you feel hot enough, you can make the bad guys even more burny (Ember)!
- You have a special shield (Copper Ward) that makes you feel a bit weaker, but it actually helps you use your fire powers better and faster.
Thanks to Claude.ai
Alright, thank you guys I feel like I'm not using it correctly
Thank you!!
Here is the build I’m currently using
Yeah that's the Standard Hydroflare build.
I don't see huge damages, maybe it's because I'm trying on Nightscream - Autumn Plains Turmoil?
Just make sure you have Blazing Flame equipped on your Potential Tree, that's the most important. Second most important is Water and Fire Raged, but you have to be close to max Potential Level to get both.
Sadly Hydroflare DMG doesn't show any damage numbers. So you'll just have to see it through the boss's Health Bar. Autumn Plains Turmoil is probably the best boss fight for that build (it was released at the same time the Souljades were).
Here's one of my older videos of it in action there: https://youtu.be/ongULx2bmno
Decided to revisit Autumn Plains Turmoil on Nightscream. Managed to cut an entire minute off of my previous run from when I was Sense 749.
Ok, I'm absolutely, extremly FAR from this
fighting omnius beast while locked on to the tail is going to make me develop motiuon sickness stg
That's one boss I definitely wouldn't recommend locking on to lol
good roll?
in what context...
24% divine thunder dmg is just 80% of the max value (30%) so it's egh anyway
i only have that 24% for it
lets goooo im on matari yamas leaderboard top 50
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where can i ask chamber questions?
Probably in #❓┃help
thanx i forgot that channel is there
@fierce light i wanna ask should i use 0,9% atk or 3% HP is better?
on thunder scorching
Are you using Copper Ward?
no
Then you'd want the Health.
k
+0.81% extra Burn DMG (3% Health) vs +0.46% extra DMG (0.9% Attack).
Assuming you're also using Incineration
Is 40 potential points the maximum?
lv.40 is the max but it's 48 points total
I asked my gemini AI
not quite what I thought
Lol yeah I typed in a description and had it convert it 💀
You get 39 points from your potential level, 9 from the seasonal challenges.
@fierce light Is it possible to complete enigma peak with poison for ice and thunder one?
Should be yeah, main issue really is if you get the Impassable omen imo
Makes it take way too long to farm, unless you have a burn build
what elements need to b used on each peak? i've only been able to kill 5 in poison/thunder and 3 in ice
I'm assuming poison for poison, and ice for ice etc since you get a buffs that accumulate the specific element faster

thanx. i was thinking that also just wanted clarification
It doesnt completely matter, its just the omens.
Anyone got tips for Viper Ning on Paragon 2 yama?
Is this possible to change the weapon of any character?
What’s the best way to attack as Yoto hime? Do I charge earth shaker vs mobs and just spam one sec blue charges vs boss?
Sad, but no.
firsttime i got rare drop

If you have Aerial Rend equipped, you can just spam that as well.
been seeing alot of ppl getting rares on jades dropped this past week, did they do something or are more ppl playing showdown now
i literally just picked 2 collections then stopped chosing any, is this just bugged
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In your match history, what you got?
I think some players did come back for the new season.
I have it so you can get it
nirrits history isn't there for some reason, but i picked like element and burning i even avoided currency and secrets if they do be considered as a collection
maybe will just do a fully vanilla run
Weird
last harddd, here we goo
my first rare sub from a drop
What do you mean by uncharged bro?
Do I have to keep dodging to cancel out the blues?
Just tap the corresponding attack button. You dodge cancel at the end yeah.
Oh ok Ty bro
This might be a really stupid question, but since this is a standard thunder build, I should probably reimbue the ice element soul jades into lightning, no?
Question here, since it s absurdly easy to get the required ice jades via the event atm,
Do these jades drop in other elements too? Since other jades also seem to drop with random element...
I wouldn t be opposed to farming them as I:
A find it comfortable to get sense level and
B believe it could be cheaper than to use consumeables, of which I don t even have enough atm..
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afaik Spring Call can drop other element, but Sub Zero and Ice Break is fixed element so you need to imbue them
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Souljades related to the effect of an element or the element itself (i.e. Thunder-Wielding: mentions Thundershock/Divine Thunder) will always drop on that element. So you'll have to use Essence to convert it to anything else.
ah
ty so much!
I will try for spring call and get a bit of sense whilst at it.
I think I have enough for Both Ice break and sub zero seal. Just not for three.
Maybe I ll get some god drops on the way?
I just wanted to make sure that it s correct for them to be converted to elemnt lightning?
It would make the most sense to me.
Furthermore, Is there a variation where Thunder standard uses Cyan Fang or Thunder heal?
What attributes would be exceptionally cool on these two?
Yeah if you're using that build, you want them all Thunder-Wielding. Divine Thunder DMG is it's primary damage source.
You could use those in place of Thunderproof, but generally they don't increase the rate you generate Thundershock on yourself cause of their lower DPS than the Charged Attacks or speed from Thunderproof.
That makes sense, but I find cyan especially to be insanely more coomfrtable to farm with.. like It just makes me immortal due to the constant AOE clear swipe that just flattens any small mobs.
If you're on Viper or Matari it's a good DPS option
could be cope, but to me it feels l ike it jus accellerates the runthrough by a lot whilst just coonstantly sapping hp or shield with every consecutive chained attack
It works better for Poison or Ice than Thunder
Thunder is all about getting damage out as quickly as possible to charge Thunder Counter.
I am trying to explain the new event to my friends but one of them is getting this despite finishing the stage. Does anyone know what this means, or how to fix it? Her account level is 27.
How do you do the deal 6000 damage challenge
musket/cannon, ranged anima rings, headshot when target is down
I’ve done 18000
Headshot from Musket when enemy without aegis. With range anima rings, ofc.
Spring's Call is related to Frostbite, so it's always Ice-Wielding
I still wanted to roll a good one.
Managed neihter thunderproof, nor ice blast, sub zero seal or spring break.
This requires a specific build or could I just lob this into a standard ice deck?
It's only really used in some Ice builds. You want Ice Break on Thunder build and neither on Poison/Burn.
oh? as soon as i get all the soujades for the player favorites they change 
More people had time to finish their new builds for the season. So they moved on from their old ones.
Better off seeing the builds used on the leaderboards tbh
Yeah there's definitely going to be something after Paragon 5. They got a lot of bosses to cover.
Don’t think it will be to hard tho cause it’s solo
it will waste a ton of time tho
where u cant hit him
so probably need good rng so he doesnt do that attack
or does it just once
Curious what the fastest times for Paragon 2 are
For Na?
I think in NA is 1 min and 9 sec
Last time I check
Jesus
Think it’s 1:06
And it’s the same person for each character times pretty much same
They skipping Rock's Ultimate somehow?
Pretty much only person that’s even trying there hardest tho
i got 1 min and 10 sec cuz i did a silly mistake at end
Wait think it is 1:09
Ok bro yea it’s def not possible to beat that if not running burn that’s so broken
I hope it’s not like that next season
yeah unlucky but still there is 80 days i think to grind maybe and get that thunder scorch
still too much time
Yeah once i get it set up, i'm going to start stockpiling
Tired of being behind each season
wish u all the luck broo XD
Granted Xbox Leaderboards aren't anywhere close to that speed.
i just was so lucky cuz last sesson i had to many scorchings
At least the elemental meter needs to go up same speed as it will with thunder wielding
Wait why did my auto correct say speedrun thats so weird lol
I think they were trying to avoid that cause it would make the elemental resistance on Thunder-Wielding pointless.
Btw u seen was able to get 2 minutes exactly for speedrun or did I say yet?
Yeah you said iirc
Ah ok
Yea we could do it faster but it’s just what we are fighting those spears are so fcking cringe
Can’t see them
Wait isn’t it dodge what’s it called tho
Not sure it has an iframe.
I think they need to reword it because they not dodging anything but air
@polar light ur right it’s 1:09 viper
Yeah XD the best timing until now on all servers
But on CN it’s 1 min and 1 sec lol
Like top 1 to 9
XD
There times gonna be way more crazy last stage
The build needs to be nerfed in my opinion
It will I think every season but for now it’s the meta
There has never been a meta that op tho
Each season their is a best build
That’s just broken and unbalanced
Yeah they did Poison dirty with this build coming out.
The fact that Scorching is an AoE too now is insane.
And if everyone had this build it will be challenging to all players to utilize it in yamas XD
And it will be balance after all
If all use it
That’s the issue not every can build that in 1 season
They could but won’t get the amount of rares
Yeah the lack of hard pity on rares is a bit painful
Yeah I know XD
I had a close friend is is lucky on getting rare attributes but not scorching lol
All windfalls
Also just some builds not even being usable without having enough of a rare sucks too. Particularly for Moderation builds.
I think Windfall should be the only rare, and Scorching/Moderation be turned into Souljade equivalents.
Value recasting
So farming will still be useful
But that would force them to add more jades than what they do like a lot
I think bringing back the old recast and having 1 rare it will be good option too
That would trigger a lot of people if they brought it back
Making Scorching & Moderation their own Souljades would improve a lot of things tbh.
- You could work on other builds instead of having to focus one an entire season.
- Easier to balance when it's a Souljade, rather than a range of values depending on multiple Attributes.
- They could introduce other rare Attributes that are purely for altering Attribute values rather than changing combat mechanics.
- For example: [Willful] - Increases DMG to Health by x%
- [Sorcery] - Increases Elemental Accumulation Rate by x%
Oh God no old Recast. Even if Value Recast is painful, it was another level with that.




