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[mint magnet]

I made.....plat ans lost it all

And rank is too much of a grind for me

So i stopped playing ranked in games

[karmic herald]

BRING ME TO PLAT

JK

[mint magnet]

Booster

[karmic herald]

no i prioritize

[shy latch]

what’s ur duo rank

[karmic herald]

like

solo

i dont duo nor trio tho

all solo

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ah

[hollow gull]

Ah ok

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delve into the chaos and go trios

that mode is pain after like, solar

[hollow gull]

Trios is wete its at

[shy latch]

but so fun

[karmic herald]

i do duos with @valid hedge but im tryna go past him >:33

[mint magnet]

Solo queue trios

[karmic herald]

bc im a competitive twat

[shy latch]

no

[mint magnet]

Relatable

[mint magnet]

Yuckie

[shy latch]

don’t go too high or u won’t be able to til they catch up

[eager trail]

Lmfao

[valid hedge]

exactly

[eager trail]

@shy latch here

[mint magnet]

Rathoknows cause shes always higher than everyone

[eager trail]

So you can fav it

[shy latch]

thank u💛💛💛💛

[shy latch]

i have been thru it

[mint magnet]

Piss hearts

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on ranked

[mint magnet]

Yucjyyy

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i am tired

[mint magnet]

Then sleep

[shy latch]

crying in the club rn

[mint magnet]

Lmaooo

Ive never been left behind in ranked

Couldnt possibly relate

[shy latch]

i only started doing duos and trios last season

[mint magnet]

How long have you been playing in general?

[shy latch]

well, i started the season before that but toward the end

a year

[mint magnet]

Daaaaang

Youre so new

And yet youre better than me

Sad day

[shy latch]

nuh uh

took a long time to understand this game

[mint magnet]

Ibe been playing for 2 years

[karmic herald]

i want to carry my partner LMAO

muscle woman

[mint magnet]

Power

[shy latch]

[shy latch]

LOL

[mint magnet]

Damn

[karmic herald]

he even agrees

teeheee

[valid hedge]

as long as i can gamble

[mint magnet]

Aint nothing like free wins

[mint magnet]

Truuuuue

[thin tiger]

Baaakaa

[mint magnet]

....

Yikes

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[clear blaze]

[mint magnet]

Wh....

Am i trippin?

[karmic herald]

trippin

[mint magnet]

Lmao

Fr

[eager trail]

You love me

[eager trail]

Oh

Someone said something bad

[eager trail]

Dance

Don’t cry

[shy latch]

i will do this exact one

🙏🏼

[mint magnet]

Youre going to make everyone leave

[clear blaze]

Nah I’m just teasing ppl

Ever since I got my hand on this emote, I’ve been abusing it on all my friends servers 😭

[mint magnet]

Lmaoooo

Villian

Or i guess opposite

[clear blaze]

I actually gaslit someone into getting banned with it LMAOOO

[mint magnet]

Lmaooooo yeah Villian

https://tenor.com/view/skeletor-laughs-in-evil-laughing-myah-myaah-dasmemeistgut-gif-5356566587527840753

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https://tenor.com/view/kafka-honkai-star-rail-gif-27232678

[eager trail]

I’m glad you like it 😂

[eager trail]

Whaaat

[mint magnet]

Hmmmmm Honkai?

[eager trail]

[clear blaze]

Best decision and emote EVER

[clear blaze]

I literally pissed someone off by my responding to one of their gifs ONCE and they literally started TOP TIER crashing out FOR NO REASON, eventually got banned LMAO

[mint magnet]

D1 Crash out

W

Standing on buisness

[clear blaze]

Like they started arguing with random ppl and cussing them out, and then really attacking the mods for telling him to calm down it’s not that serious

BRO WAS TWEAKING

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Frrr

[mint magnet]

That probably woulda been me years and years ago

Probably not to a gif tho

Or i mean an emote

[severe yacht]

😄

[mint magnet]

Hello uuuh Nyxie?

[severe yacht]

Hii

[mint magnet]

How is your day or night going?

[clear blaze]

I dare you to crash out right now… if ur a MAN of course.

https://tenor.com/view/rebecca-jack-black-ill-be-waiting-half-stance-funny-gif-17917419

[severe yacht]

The day was good, I played a lot today, now it's 2 am here.

[mint magnet]

Lmao hell nah there aint no reason to

[eager trail]

Average server clown

[mint magnet]

Well good morning. Are you liking Naraka?

[eager trail]

Hello

Welcome

[clear blaze]

I’m sayingggg, I wasn’t expecting it ngl 😭

[severe yacht]

Yes, it's an amazing game, I'm loving it

[clear blaze]

So glad you’re enjoying it!!! You should main Tessa :3

[mint magnet]

Thats great to hear, if youre on NA and ever want some pointers, im not the best but dont mind teaching you a few things. Just lmk

Who are you playing so far?

[severe yacht]

My Main for now is Shayol

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https://tenor.com/view/gojo-gojo-annoyed-gif-16577936018911977061

[mint magnet]

The only character i havent touched

[clear blaze]

I’m a kitsune irl, so seeing someone NOT MAIN a kitsune hurts my soul

[mint magnet]

Shes a kitsune?

[severe yacht]

Oh sure, thanks, I'm from South America, but tips are always welcome lol

[mint magnet]

But Zai>Tessa

[mint magnet]

Of course

[clear blaze]

Yep, once you inherit the soul of Kitsune. You become one due to a Kitsune’s soul overpowering your own being. Aka: You’re one of the same :3

[mint magnet]

...i see i see

[clear blaze]

Naruto is a kitsune… (Well WAS… 😭)

[mint magnet]

Lmaooo spoilersssss

[clear blaze]

So spoilers BTW MB

[mint magnet]

Tiktok already destroyed any plan for Boruto

[clear blaze]

Frfr

[mint magnet]

At least for me. I know everything that could happen

[dusky sorrel]

[silver shard]

Sekkie peek

Theyin long a

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[young raven]

🍪

[dusky sorrel]

[young raven]

What your name mean?

[dusky sorrel]

owo read it backwards

[young raven]

Oh

I see

[dim walrus]

Vang hates my ranged weapons

[young raven]

Yes

I hate that I have to respect it

[ashen kettle]

Hi, does anyone have a good video on how to play Lyam? Esp solo. Still new and just unlocked him 😄

[mint magnet]

#🙎┃character-guides I'd say check here. Theyll probably have more info than anyone in general

[ashen kettle]

yeah i already did a search there but couldn't find any videos

[dim walrus]

I'd say it's best to learn the basics before trying to tackle character specific skills

Things like winning neutrals, hold checking, and movement

[young raven]

Because without winning neutrals, your ability is just there to get you out of jail once

[dim walrus]

Lyam is a character that benefits from knowing combos, but in order to gain the best value from combos, you must know how to win neutrals in order to initiate those combos and the movement to chase fleeing players

[tropic robin]

why do you guys just assume that he's not learning neutral...

he ask for lyam abilities guide, just gives him lyam abilities guide first

[dim walrus]

We never assumed that, we're just explaining since Lyam is very dependent on core mechanics as his ult isn't one that lasts a long time like Zai, or is super easy to use like Tessa

This is very important for characters that are reliant on combos to perform at their peak

[tropic robin]

meh

i don't need combos to do fine on lyam

also he got plenty of tools to cover up for neutral mistakes

[dim walrus]

Like sure, we can give a guide on how to use Lyam's pull to initiate a combo, but once you use it, and they have a combo breaker, now you need to neutral again

[mint magnet]

This is why i play Zai, just w key

[tropic robin]

as for neutral is important, obviously it is, on all characters

[dim walrus]

3 on ult, 1 on skill

that's not a lot of cover ups

[tropic robin]

😂 that's not alot?

ok

[dim walrus]

lets put it this way

the moment you use skill and ult to make up for your mistake, you've already lost a lot of value

[tropic robin]

meh

as long as it do something

[dim walrus]

it means your opponent got you on the defensive

[tropic robin]

and defensive is bad?

[dim walrus]

in most situations, it's not optimal

[young raven]

Because he said he is still new, and most of people just assume this game is character focus instead of being a combination of both character and weapon to make it works

[tropic robin]

in most situation you arent always be ''optimal'' and have to work with what you got

[dim walrus]

like i understand trading ult for ult or skill for skill is equal value, but that's not a good way of thinking about it

[tropic robin]

yes but that comes AFTER you gave him what he asked for

like, gives him a lyam abilities rundown

THEN tell him to learn neutral too and that's important to make the most out of the character kit

not ''eh just go learn neutral''

[dim walrus]

why would we need to do that, are you assuming he doesn't read the in game description?

[tropic robin]

because the ingame description doesn't have the tips and tricks which requires real experience to know?

[dim walrus]

ok and if you tell a tarka noob that one confirm on ult on an enemy without a combo breaker is a free infinite? that takes experience to know, but it helps the new tarka player how?

[tropic robin]

why would you tell him to learn neutral when his question is ''how to play this specific character'' not ''how to be better at the game''?

[dim walrus]

answer my question first, don't try to deflect back to what we're trying to talk about

[tropic robin]

as long as you gave them an information about the character that he don't know yet then it's helpful, and also ''to the point''

because that's what he asked for

[young raven]

tbfh, you can add some guide on your own instead of leading conversation to go this way

[tropic robin]

you're the one who's doing it bruh, answer my question first, why didn't you give him the answer for what he asked for but tell him to do something else?

[tropic robin]

why didn't you guys do it on the first place?

[dim walrus]

yes, and he'll also eventually realize on his own that the tarka infinite exists through, what is it? "experience" yes, there we go, now knowing how to neutral better would make that a much faster process

[tropic robin]

where your guides?

[young raven]

I don't use Lyam much outside of testing, last time I when I did guide on him, he is still in test server and I did it for an event

[tropic robin]

i've made my point clear, gives the dude what he asked for then everything else is a side note, advise, whatever you wanna call it

[dim walrus]

@tropic robin don't try to act like I didn't answer your question about not giving a direct skill rundown on a character who's skills relies on neutral to be good

[young raven]

You can still go into that channel and ask, people there are usually more qualified at giving character guide than people just roaming in general chat

[tropic robin]

try to act you say 😂

[young raven]

We talked about cat, music and water melon here

[tropic robin]

imagine a character who doesn't rely on neutral

[dim walrus]

all I'll say is, in high elo, if you use your skills and ults to cover up your mistakes too often, you're not going to make it

[tropic robin]

😂

[tropic robin]

that's game sense and is the same with every character

[young raven]

I hate how giving guide and 2 people with different approach can legit going on and argue for damn 10 minutes on internet

[tropic robin]

funny how all you got to say is ''if you're bad at the game you're bad at the game''

while still not giving him what he asked for

[dim walrus]

Zai Ult, Hadi Ult, Tessa Ult, Yueshan Ult, Feria Ult, Tianhai Ult, Viper Ult 1, Kylin Ult

[tropic robin]

i'm gonna give this back to you, ''in high elo, if you use your skills and ults to cover up your mistakes too often, you're not going to make it''

😂

[dim walrus]

these are characters that sure, here's how to maximize their skill and ult outputs

[dim walrus]

so you're saying you want me to tell these players to learn neutral in ults that literally negate neutrals?

[tropic robin]

so you're saying with these characters you don't need to learn neutral?

[dim walrus]

Sure Lyam can capture you with V2 and Bind you with V1, but what's the point of those without above average neutral?

[tropic robin]

wdym ''what's the point''? the f

are you even on rn

[dim walrus]

V2 can be tap dodged, and V1 is a free starter

but combos to benefit off V1 come after core mechanics

[tropic robin]

as if you can't dodge zai or hadi or tessa's etc

[tropic robin]

he didn't asked for combos?

[dim walrus]

you're trying to nitpick small flaws to avoid the original question

[tropic robin]

or are you saying that if i play lyam and i don't do combos then i haven't play lyam at all?

[ashen kettle]

heyy...i appreciate the help guys lol. im trying my best to learn everything as a newbie

[dim walrus]

ok, what does lyam skills benefit the most from?

[ashen kettle]

i will focus on learning neutral and focus on a few weapons for now

[dim walrus]

he asked for tips on how to get better at lyam

[tropic robin]

imagine saying nitpicking while you didn't even gives an answer for the question in the first place

[dim walrus]

lyam is a character like Tarka or Takeda that scales directly with core mechanics

[ashen kettle]

dont fight 😦

[dim walrus]

we're not fighting, i'm having a blast lmao

[tropic robin]

so where's your lyam tips?

[young raven]

For Lyam, his F1 (varient number 1) is usually your go to option since it is a combo breaker that also avoid getting parried. For V, it is up to reference which V you want. However Lyam benefits the most when you caught enemy with their pant down and make good use of his ability to either winning or force them into a lose lose situation

[dim walrus]

Lyam F1: Combo Breaker
Lyam F2: Combo Starter <-------
Lyam V1: Combo Starter <-------
Lyam V2: Combo Starter <-------

[tropic robin]

💀

[young raven]

F2 can also be used as combo extender but tbh it is too much of a hassle since it technically almost useless in trios

[silver shard]

Only just ti na gu

White to yellow

[young raven]

Wait, you can eat bloom that fast?

[silver shard]

Easy

[finite yacht]

Klaus Werner Johannis

[young raven]

The menu didn't pop up

[silver shard]

Just tab and then press e

[hallow moss]

Or if you are looking at the body press e 2 times

[young raven]

I know but in the clip you didn't even do so

Oh... you spectage

[dim walrus]

Point is, I've been here long enough to see new players get what they ask for, but then neglect everything else in pursuit of said answer. It makes them worse and harder for them to break the new bad habit, like when new Tarka players only want to know how to Tarka infinite without learning the neutral or movement needed to start the infinite.

[hallow moss]

Because he was spectating

[dim walrus]

Yes sure, they can infinite sooner, but at the cost of rarely ever getting to use it due to poor neutral as they spend all their time practicing Tarka infinite

And now transitioning between characters just became way harder

[young raven]

Or worse, didn't consider stamina when it comes to fight lol

[dim walrus]

[hallow moss]

This and then they ask Dunking Donuts (since he is known worldwide for his Tarka) and when he says the same thing they say that they are doing that already

[dim walrus]

but Dunkin also tells new players to work on the core mechanics first

soooooooooooooo

[hallow moss]

Exactly

[tropic robin]

so? they want to know how 2 infinite, gives them the guide on how 2 infinite

[young raven]

My friend spent the first month of his learning heaven step then constantly dropped it in matches because of terrain, bad stamina management, and worse... playing trios with Tarka and forgot enemy can peel for their teammates

[hallow moss]

Sure but if you can set yourself up to actually hit the infinite its pointless

[dim walrus]

tabbie is the type to give a man a fish
We're trying to teach a man to fish

[hallow moss]

Unless you only play against easy bots, then sure go ahead

[tropic robin]

that's the thing that comes AFTER you have given them what they asked for

as an advice

🤷‍♂️

[dim walrus]

There is no shortcut to character mastery, especially those that LITERALLY have combo starters and benefit from a higher knowledge of core mechanics than others

[tropic robin]

no one says anything about shortcuts

[hallow moss]

You usually ask them if they know how to play neutral before teaching them

[dim walrus]

And we already gave them what they asked for

don't know why you've been saying we didn't for this long now

[tropic robin]

just the general knowledge that you know that you think they don't

[tropic robin]

you didn't

[dim walrus]

I'm not scrolling all the way up, but you're missing the point

[tropic robin]

😂

nah

the only one missing the point here is you

[dim walrus]

and if you're asking for a character guide, it already shows you don't have the core mechanics down

[tropic robin]

what

😂

[eager trail]

Good morning

[dim walrus]

Think about it, if you've played the game long enough to see the older characters in action, do you need a beginner guide on them?

[tropic robin]

character guides as in what you COULD do with their kit, HOW to get it done is a different story

[young raven]

Long story short:
Tabbie want Verna to provide what new player asked then proceed to tell him about neutral
Verna want the dude to learn and get good at neutral first before getting into character who need you to win neutral to make the best use of him

[tropic robin]

and you haven't given anything related to what lyam could do

[dim walrus]

tabbie, please go ahead and tell me when he joined Naraka, then we can talk seriously

[young raven]

And I have no f-cking idea why you two can go on that long both trying to help

[dim walrus]

I'll give you a hint, under 2 weeks ago

[karmic herald]

hi

[dim walrus]

hello

[karmic herald]

im back4

[dim walrus]

wb

[azure bone]

🚫 | YKZ丶Verna, Create a team with the command owo team add {animal}

[dim walrus]

no

[tropic robin]

just gives him the general stuffs like the F1 direction turn trick, F2 stagger metter reset, V1 knockup cancel into light attack/focus attack, V2 capture then heals, that's what he was asking for

[young raven]

Also while you two argue, I think the new dude see the conversation going on, afraid and flee already

[tropic robin]

THEN

and ONLY THEN

''you better go learn neutral''

[dim walrus]

by then he's gone

[drifting willow]

morning!

[hallow moss]

Morning

[dim walrus]

you underestimate human psychology and the impacts of modern social media and society

[dim walrus]

Henlo Era

[drifting willow]

hello verna 👋

been a while

[tropic robin]

bruh, have some faith...

[dim walrus]

And once you've had that faith betrayed 95% of the time?

[tropic robin]

i mean if he gonna play naraka he gonna realize that learning neutral is a must, sooner or later

[dim walrus]

I've coached my fair share of new players, most just asked me for character specific tricks they saw on Youtube, Twitch, or TikTok, even though I kept telling them to learn the basics too, I cave, tell them how to do the trick, and they never wanna come back to learn the core mechanics

then they get fed up once they start facing real players, and most quit soon after

[hallow moss]

I wish that was the case, but there are many and I mean MANY players who don't think that way

[dim walrus]

so

[karmic herald]

i am merely stupid what these terms are so i am going to agree with everything

[dim walrus]

🤝

[tropic robin]

if they don't think/don't do that they gonna lose, alot
so they gonna come to the point that either learn neutral and be better or keep losing
and nobody like losing

or maybe they just gonna quit yeah, if so then the game is not for them, what else to say

[hallow moss]

If you check reddit there are a lot of players that quit just because of this

[dim walrus]

then they quit cuz Naraka's matchmaking gives the added psychological bonus of brutally not existing, so not knowing basics kills you and as you said, no one likes losing, so they just stop after getting floored enough times

[silver shard]

Nuh uh

Tab then e

Sometime press e sus

[west monolith]

To be fair, 90% of character skills is so simple, I don't even know why anyone even need a guide for, so your statement is not wrong

[hallow moss]

I agree, I myself prefer pressing tab and then E but there are people that do the double E method

[silver shard]

Still sadge cause the arrow wont kill him

If the arrow hit it then it highlight

[dim walrus]

@tropic robin I agree that we should give the answer they seek, but let me ask you this
A man asks for a fish because he's hungry, do you just give him the fish to last the day, or teach him to fish to last a lifetime?

[tropic robin]

i give him the fish so he can be full first then teach him how to fish after

[dim walrus]

tabbie pick one

[tropic robin]

🤷‍♂️

[dim walrus]

teaching to fish also gives the fish

[tropic robin]

no i want both

[karmic herald]

https://tenor.com/view/naraka-rock-yoto-gif-12241091053746795405

[dim walrus]

tabbie's in full damage control mode

jkjk

[tropic robin]

but he'll learn how to fish better if his stomach is full

[dim walrus]

and here we go with another nitpick

missing the point entirely again

[tropic robin]

it's just looks wrong to me when someone asked about a specific character and all you tell them is to go learn neutral

[dim walrus]

put simply, we just have different ways of approaching questions from new players

[hallow moss]

Based

[dim walrus]

My background comes from coaching over 30 new players and seeing what works best for the vast majority of them

[tropic robin]

that's the point
he didn't asked for your coaching on ''how to be good at the game''

[hallow moss]

Skill issue

Jkjk

[dim walrus]

and I didn't offer to coach him, you're now just making stuff up

[tropic robin]

suuuure

[dim walrus]

I simply gave him a response that works best with newer players based on a sample of over 30 similar players

[karmic herald]

what even is this convo

[dark coral]

In games like this you learn neutral before all things

It's common sense

[hallow moss]

A convo about how you should teach someone if they asked you something specific that might be out of their league

[dark coral]

You learn to walk before you learn how to hop around and do tricks with jumps

[karmic herald]

can y'all use me as a lab rat for this convo

[dark coral]

You save the tricks for later

[hallow moss]

Nah I prefer to learn how to run before I walk

[drifting willow]

how so ?

[dark coral]

Same for coaching in everything

[dim walrus]

the percentage of players who learn a trick with a character only to never be able to do it against real players due to lack of fundamentals and leave as a result, is ridiculously high esp in Naraka

[karmic herald]

like to prove different approaches

try approaches on teaching on me

[drifting willow]

oh, i see

[dark coral]

You might feel more excited about running than about walking but you're just gonna slow down your own process of learning and it's important for this reason to remain disciplined in the sense that you follow the best possible path even if it's not the one that looks coolest at the moment

[dim walrus]

so teach them the trick and they leave soon, or give the higher chance of actually enjoying the game and staying?

[hallow moss]

[dark coral]

That's my two cents

[terse horizon]

Yes , I teach you a fool proof combo and you do it ingame

[hallow moss]

True, but my stubborn self fully knowing that this is the hard way still chooses to go with running

[karmic herald]

is the neutral an in game thing or just a thing from cars

[terse horizon]

You need Valda and a greatsword

[karmic herald]

im

[tropic robin]

you just refusing to see my point
for example, i gonna tell him that he could cancel the knockup part on V1 by immediately charge a blue/release a light attack after the teleport, but now HOW TO land the V1 that's another story

[dark coral]

It's not the hard way, it's the dumb way where you go for shiny things instead of the next logical step

[dim walrus]

plus, as you yourself stated, experienced player giving the newer player the character specific skills is cool and all, but who taught the guy who originally made those tricks to begin with?

[tropic robin]

and it has nothing that goes against the fact of ''neutral is a must''

[dark coral]

People can do what they want though, just a game in the end

[dim walrus]

tabbie you keep rephrasing the same rebuttal over and over again, please say something else

[tropic robin]

what

[hallow moss]

I should switch my tip to new players is just say "play Takeda and forget about neutral "

[karmic herald]

teehee

[tropic robin]

as if you're not doing the same thing?

still haven't answered my question

[dark coral]

But if your goal is to improve then there is a series of steps to take, and going any other route is stupid

[drifting willow]

neutral is the base of the fighting system; by saying "neutral", we refer to the part of the fight where you try to land an attack on the enemy in order to start a combo, or simply the fight itself without combos and skills 👍

[tropic robin]

no one said to him that he shouldn't follows the steps

[dim walrus]

how am I supposed to answer the same question differently when they're the same thing just worded differently?

[dark coral]

Is that not what it's about? Telling a new player that the path to improvement is to learn the cool tricks first and then the foundations later?

[karmic herald]

ah thank you so much.. i just linked up the reference in irl fighting experiences i had so i can see it now tyy

[tropic robin]

then how am i? 😂

[tropic robin]

it's not

[dim walrus]

I've already answered his question about Lyam, you may not like it, but don't go saying I didn't answer his question

[dark coral]

Then I misread it, what is it about

[drifting willow]

oh, that's interesting 🤔 i had never made the connection 🤔

[tropic robin]

i can and i still do

[dim walrus]

Well lying isn't a crime so I suppose go on then

[terse horizon]

New players should just learn tarka infinite and go asura

[dim walrus]

I agree

[karmic herald]

though others call it a stance... i like to call it being neutral as the core for any action well.. thats my take though

[drifting willow]

[tropic robin]

as if you're not doing the same thing

[dim walrus]

so does tabbie

[dark coral]

You can reach asura while remaining a noob

[drifting willow]

oh, i see

[tropic robin]

now THIS is what called a made up

[dark coral]

The question is not about reaching asura, if you can tie your shoelaces you can reach asura, but about getting good, no?

[dim walrus]

I broke down Lyam's 2 skills and ults on what they're used for, that answered his question, I provided my additional answer of how to maximize their potency

[tropic robin]

''broke down''

[tropic robin]

😂

[dim walrus]

@tropic robin

[tropic robin]

yeah that's your ''broke down''? 😂

[dim walrus]

3/4 rely on what i've been saying about fundamentals

[tropic robin]

nice break down indeed

[karmic herald]

i am merely a lab rat to test the war before executing on the field

[dark coral]

Ok I just scrolled up

I'm with verna

[tropic robin]

uhh congrats on u 2 ig?

[terse horizon]

You can just agree to disagree

Different paths can still lead to the same goal

[dark coral]

They can but one is much slower and the other is much faster

[dim walrus]

I don't main Lyam, you can go ahead and tell him Lyam's tricks, but as someone who has faced many Lyams and coached over 30 new players, this is my answer, if you don't like it, simply provide your own rather than trying to fault my approach

[dark coral]

Lyam is 100% reliant on understanding core mechanics

[dim walrus]

Unless you can fault my approach on learning core mechanics first, I don't see why you're hell bent on trying to say I'm not helping?

[dark coral]

But I don't think it's wrong to explain what abilities do either

I would've just explained to him how they work and how they are used for optimal damage and impact

[tropic robin]

you just didn't gives him what he asked for, what SPECIFIC thing he asked for

[dim walrus]

I did as shown in my last ping of tabbie

[dark coral]

And then explained that to maximize that, he needs a solid grasp on fundamentals

[dim walrus]

as I stated, I don't play Lyam

but I do know how to counter him

[tropic robin]

this is exactly what i've been saying all this time

[dark coral]

Ok so you both agree

It's just a matter of semantics lol

[dim walrus]

that's what i've been saying

[dark coral]

You both just agreed with me

There we go

[dim walrus]

yes, thank you Marko

[dark coral]

That means you agree

[tropic robin]

yeah except you didn't gives him the 1st part

[karmic herald]

https://tenor.com/view/goro-akechi-persona-5-hop-on-dress-to-impress-roblox-gif-15865863989881848219

[dim walrus]

@tropic robin as stated I don't play Lyam, this is my understanding of what he does from a core mechanics stand point

for you to say I didn't do the first part is just straight up fabrication

[tropic robin]

so you don't play lyam and you go answer a question about how to lyam?

i see

[west monolith]

If there is anything to add, you can go through the full match without using any skills or ulti

[dark coral]

@ashen kettle i highly recommend this as your primary learning resource, as a new player

[dim walrus]

Am I unqualified as someone who has slain many Lyams in high elo?

[dark coral]

It will teach you everything you need to master to start competing with current players

[tropic robin]

slain many lyams in high elo but you can't gives the informations about what he could do with his kit?

or just refusing to?

[dim walrus]

As someone who see's the weaknesses in Lyam's kit and gave my answer on how to minimize those weaknesses and my understanding on how to capitalize on his strengths, which is what teaching Lyam tricks would do?

[tropic robin]

and everything you could put out on lyam is that ''break down''?

[karmic herald]

this is nice even though i am no the one you pinged for butttttt

grabs

[dark coral]

On top of this, I also recommend you use some sort of replay saving software like nvidia shadowplay or medal.tv to save replays of your fights, and analyze them afterwards to see why you died and what you need to improve on next time

[dim walrus]

Just because my approach isn't to your liking, doesn't mean it's not an answer to his question

[tropic robin]

yeah where did you mentioned ''the weaknesses in lyam kit''?

[dim walrus]

about using his skill and ult to cover mistakes

[tropic robin]

😂 what

[dark coral]

A reminder that you two are in agreement XD

[dim walrus]

if you have to resort to using Lyam to neutralize damage being done to you, there's something wrong, so I'm trying to avoind him having to do that

[paper quiver]

[drifting willow]

in case you want more useful guides, there are some general ones pinned in #1030084870904492113 and #🔱┃weapons-combat

👍

[dim walrus]

I know we are, I'm laughing so hard rn

[tropic robin]

bruh we do that all the times, as if you never use your abilities to cover your mistakes?

[dim walrus]

He agreed and is still trying to fault my proven approach

[tropic robin]

most of the time you just have to work with what you got

[dark coral]

I think you are arguing on semantics

[dim walrus]

yea, and then always do that and get fed up and quit?

[tropic robin]

yeah cuz it's just not what OP asked for

[dark coral]

but have a nice day i have to go

[dim walrus]

cya Marko

[tropic robin]

why is it became ''always do that'' now?

you gave them the tools, how good they are with it is a different story

gives them time ffs

[ashen kettle]

thanks marko! i watched this on day 1 and watched it probably 2-3 times after 😛

i think im gonna watch it again

i keep losing duels T.T

[dim walrus]

tabbie, my final statement for this matter, I gave my answer to his question based on my understanding of Lyam and his kit. I refrain from giving direct advice as I don't know specialized tricks for him, just how he generally plays. You can provide that as a Lyam main, I'm not sure why we're arguing on 2 correct statements trying to disprove the one I stated. I'm trying to keep him in the game longer by giving him a better time playing the game. I recognize that a question is being asked, and even though I'm not an expert on that direct answer, I am still well within my bounds to know when the question itself is wrong and provided a middle ground answer to both answers the original question while correcting it at the same time. We both provided valid answers that benefit Kalejo, so lets just leave it at that. Both are correct, neither is wrong.

[karmic herald]

help

[ashen kettle]

i would like to agree that you both should agree to agree that you both are right

[karmic herald]

HELP

[tropic robin]

ehhh i guess so

anyway

[dim walrus]

what's up

[karmic herald]

Nah someone randomly joined vc AND I PANICKEDS'DZSLKFHSZLJKDF

[dim walrus]

[karmic herald]

I LOCKED THE VC JUST IN CASE

MAMA IM SCARED

[dim walrus]

But yes, my answer to you is, Lyam's kit is 100% reliant on your fundamentals and game knowledge. If you think you are sufficient with the basics, please ask @tropic robin for specific tricks on Lyam

[thin tiger]

RAWR

[karmic herald]

I

[terse horizon]

[dim walrus]

https://tenor.com/view/frieren-beyond-journey's-end-sousou-no-frieren-frieren-emuach-flying-kiss-gif-1166051893005797096

[azure bone]

🎉 | YKZ丶Verna leveled up!

[drifting willow]

ahahahaha, fair; just in case, here people have the habit of joining at random :laui

😆

[karmic herald]

im locking the vcs everytime unless

theres someone who wants to teach me'

thats the only purpose i have

[terse horizon]

I can teach you kurumi in solos

[dim walrus]

I volunteer @terse horizon as tribute

[karmic herald]

i play tessa for now ;;

😭

[drifting willow]

sadly SEA server is off limits for me 😦

[karmic herald]

rip

[terse horizon]

I am completely out of touch with the game , unfortunately there is nothing I can teach

[karmic herald]

they touched the grass

[dim walrus]

Always use protection

[karmic herald]

YIPEEEE

[thin tiger]

We all touch grass

[dim walrus]

[thin tiger]

naraka is not the way

[karmic herald]

Tessa is evelyn and ahri from league (dont ask me how i know the game)

https://tenor.com/view/lol-league-of-legends-evelynn-demon-gaming-gif-14050304

[west monolith]

Tessa is currently one of my main, but I'm not sure I can offer anything to teach, I'm porbably just as much a noob as you're

[karmic herald]

omg

YOOO

[drifting willow]

he's back!

[dim walrus]

[karmic herald]

WAIT

I WAS ABOUT TO CALL YOU A SIS

WOOOPS

😭

[dim walrus]

what's wrong with that?

[karmic herald]

i fear that i am misgendering everyone and people might take offense

older sister

[drifting willow]

nah, dw

[hallow moss]

wait... Arii did you switch your name to match the situation...?

[terse horizon]

You can use a neutral term

[dim walrus]

if they get offended by that kind of stuff, probably not worth your time, no offense

[karmic herald]

yes

i did switch

[hallow moss]

lul

[karmic herald]

still a lab rat

must be tested

[hallow moss]

Still Arii

[karmic herald]

https://tenor.com/view/rat-jimp-gif-14669346785959366972

[dim walrus]

Audio stimuli test

[karmic herald]

the use of operatic choir and dubstep is a classic

i havent touched my violin and drums in years yikes

[west monolith]

https://tenor.com/view/yeet-mouse-rat-freezer-feeder-gif-18124273

[karmic herald]

https://tenor.com/view/ratin-rat-rat-of-doom-rat-exercise-exercise-gif-6512773604715643596

[karmic herald]

is this manual or midi inputs

[young raven]

I would like to help because I'm SEA

However I am ass at this game

[karmic herald]

coz the chord timing is impeccable to match the song

[west monolith]

Same

[hallow moss]

@dim walrus I challenge you with the only theme I can play on this game's instruments. The crysis 2 theme

[karmic herald]

me at every game except hide and seek

[dim walrus]

lmk if it sounds like midi, cuz I just might be a bot lmfao

same song, no original audio

[karmic herald]

since i can't see breathing (implication of lifeform playing)

its assisted?

safest bet

[dim walrus]

assisted by my eletric piano and its driver on my computer to turn note inputs into letter inputs yes

[karmic herald]

LOL no wonder

coz if it was they keyboard then holyyyy

[dim walrus]

but the playing itself is unassisted

[karmic herald]

yesyes

imagine playing the piano but the game doesnt have the supported octave

[dim walrus]

want more of just piano?

[karmic herald]

please

i need more musicians

[karmic herald]

i lost my touch after ditching the orchestra

[hallow moss]

Nah, you just need Verna

He is a master musician

[dim walrus]

lies

I'm Master Noob

[hallow moss]

No

[dim walrus]

Unrivaled Noob even

[hallow moss]

xD

[karmic herald]

i am hamster

[hallow moss]

Hello hamster, I am Damocles

[dim walrus]

You are Gravel!

She's also a hamster

[hallow moss]

Lmao

[karmic herald]

why can i hear the player's breathing despite no input of it or am i delsuional because i can tell when i musician is about to breathe

[karmic herald]

shes so pretty ;;

[dim walrus]

I think you're hearing things

[karmic herald]

i am delusional

[dark coral]

Focus on implementation

[hallow moss]

I mean... we have ears for a reason

[dark coral]

Perfect opportunities to save and analyze those replays

[main storm]

[dim walrus]

AND IMPROVE NEUTRAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[karmic herald]

oh to be her

omg

[dim walrus]

If you wish to be a different rodent in the Jerboa...

[karmic herald]

gerbil

wait

AM I RIGHT

[dim walrus]

Jerboa

[karmic herald]

yknow jerboas are like

if birds and mouses mated

[dim walrus]

LMFAO

[karmic herald]

bro got the stance

[dim walrus]

I'm giving Arii more art and cosplay ideas aren't I

[karmic herald]

mmm yes... the implication of the real jerboa, having long legs, is hinted in slipping in a peek of her legs

perhaps

perchance

[dim walrus]

alright, give me an animal name

hit me

[karmic herald]

hmmmm

if there's a turtle i would be surprised

[dim walrus]

it can also be a popular mythical creature like angels, demons, or dragons

[karmic herald]

tortol

[karmic herald]

HOLY SHIT SHES REAL

[karmic herald]

https://tenor.com/view/turtle-crazy-dancing-gif-25441430

[dim walrus]

and she go bonk bonk with a bat

[karmic herald]

WHAT GAME IS THIS

HOLD ON

LEMME

DOWNLOAD

[dim walrus]

[karmic herald]

are you a salesman for the game

[dim walrus]

no

just someone who plays it

[karmic herald]

i'm led to the trap of anime girls

my lesbian heart go kaboom

[dim walrus]

hit me with another animal/creature

[karmic herald]

hmmmm

dino

just a dino

:33

[dim walrus]

alr so any dino

hmmmmm, which one to pick

[karmic herald]

THERES MORE THAN 1?

[dim walrus]

the cute one, the hot one, the mature one, the tomboy one...

[karmic herald]

Hit me with them all

[west monolith]

The tomboy one

[dim walrus]

lmfao

[dim walrus]

let's try this one first

[karmic herald]

wait also weird question

is neutral like the first action before doing a move

[main storm]

[dim walrus]

yea

[west monolith]

I'm down bad for tomboy and mature

[karmic herald]

GODDESS

[karmic herald]

wait so how do i execute a neutral

[west monolith]

Press

[dim walrus]

This as tomboy as it gets, not a dino, but if ya like tomboys...

[karmic herald]

finally if i date her, i finally feel like a girl in a gay relationship

[dim walrus]

it's the phase when 2 or more parties aren't in a state to deal damage to each other yet, but winning the neutral grants the winning party the ability to deal damage

[karmic herald]

hmmm

[barren basalt]

Bruh my game randomly decided to put all the graphics settings on lowest

[karmic herald]

so is there a implication of when is that phase

[barren basalt]

I was wondering why it was looking like shit

[dim walrus]

@barren basalt you're a polar bear btw

[west monolith]

Wait, I thought that was negotiation phase? I thought neutral is the normal attack?

[barren basalt]

What

[dim walrus]

her name literally Aurora

[karmic herald]

ICY GIRL

[barren basalt]

Polar bears are cute

[karmic herald]

AURORA BEUARIALIS(??) THE LIGHT IN SKY THING

[dim walrus]

lol, that's a community joke

[barren basalt]

Borealis

[gleaming spindle]

[karmic herald]

So far i have a good setup for neutral right

i think

[dim walrus]

[karmic herald]

idk

[karmic herald]

oh no why is there moe

more

[drifting willow]

yep, these are the best skills for tessa overall 👍

[west monolith]

Nothing that can live in the icy hell hole that is the pole can be considered sute

[dim walrus]

319 on global, over 330 on CN

[dim walrus]

@west monolith also very tomboy

[karmic herald]

tessa my babe'

[west monolith]

Both mature and tomboy, I'm in love

[dim walrus]

hmm

alright @karmic herald @west monolith I'm dragging you both into a vc to stream it

[karmic herald]

i

[dim walrus]

[karmic herald]

I

JUST BE HERE

[dim walrus]

'm not taking no for an answer

[west monolith]

I managed to recreate the eyes color that was used in the Perdoria trailer, it's nice

[karmic herald]

CAN YOU BE HERE

[toxic wadi]

Wat game

[karmic herald]

PLS

[dim walrus]

you haven't heard their voice lines in 4 different languages yet right?

[karmic herald]

i

[toxic wadi]

[dim walrus]

Arknights

[karmic herald]

bring @valid hedge with me pls

he's my kidney

[dim walrus]

alright

[karmic herald]

i need him

[toxic wadi]

Cute game?

[dim walrus]

deal

[dim walrus]

yes

you wanna join too?

i'll make the vc now

or just join @karmic herald 's ig

lol

[karmic herald]

i

[west monolith]

Not possible I'm sorry, I'm in class

Also the uni wifi suck

[dim walrus]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/586588921614303233/1279388165970329693/IMG_1683.gif

oh right there's that Dungeon Meshi collab on CN too XD

coming to EN in a bit too

[drifting willow]

come play maple story verna 😆

[main storm]

[drifting willow]

[main storm]

Eranicks

[drifting willow]

how u doing sam?

[last inlet]

which collab is this

[west monolith]

I accidentally join vc and just blasted your voice across my class @karmic herald

[last inlet]

oop i didnt read my bad

[dim walrus]

Dungeon Meshi x Arknights

[drifting willow]

😆

[main storm]

Just woke up gotta start packing. Wbu man?

[main storm]

[dim walrus]

Eminem of yapping is wild

[drifting willow]

packing? 🤔

[main storm]

I don’t even yap 😭

[main storm]

Going back to university tomorrow

[drifting willow]

u start tomorrow aswell, nice 👍

[main storm]

I’m finished

[west monolith]

Damn, I have been back for a week now

[drifting willow]

that was quick

[main storm]

Having fun?

[west monolith]

It's ok for now, I'm in 3rd years now so the subject is specialty and quite challenging, but I'm still manageable

[main storm]

Yh that’s gonna be me very soon 😭😭

3rd year is gonna be stressful

Good luck to you

[drifting willow]

nah, for me it was super chill 👍

cuz u adapt to the pace in the first 2 years

[young raven]

@karmic herald Mind to have an extra slot for me

[blissful fable]

[thin tiger]

ofc we love u u are great

[eager trail]

Speak for yourself

Also, where is my meme chief

Take away the xp thing from me

/noexp

/removexp

[drifting willow]

😆

can't let him cook

[eager trail]

/remove lexie&kumi

[thin tiger]

noobie.

get exp'd bish

[karmic herald]

noice

[barren basalt]

Yeah I don’t think I’m finishing the bp

[ashen kettle]

learning naraka channel only fits 3? 😦

[drifting willow]

its a private voice call 🙂

arii made it and called like that

[ashen kettle]

ahh

okay

[drifting willow]

usually we host a weekly dojo for naraka free coaching tho , if you are interested :thuim

👍

( #🏋┃dojo-coaching )

[ashen kettle]

i saw that but there's no SEA server

im on SEA lol

[dark coral]

https://www.youtube.com/@masterdeemo/videos

watch this guy

if ur able to learn by watching someone and then implement it

u can learn a lot

[ashen kettle]

i seem to have problems with implementation lol. i'm trying to figure when to dodge instead of just spamming, when to half charge and i start panicking when i get staggered for too long 😭

but i did learn how to tessa a little from deemo haha

[dark coral]

implementation IS the hardest part

anyone can watch someone good and see that they play good and some can even discern the exact parts of their gameplay that are better than their own, but only a small amount of people can actually copy it and implement it properly on their own

the key is feedback

if you can't give yourself feedback, take feedback from his gameplay as an example of what u should do

and take feedback from ur own gameplay as a bad example upon seeing the exact things u are doing wrong, and then take it into account for when you play next to improve

this is without a doubt the fastest way to get good

[dim walrus]

@main storm another one in

[dim walrus]

Kalejo in game:

[main storm]

??

[dim walrus]

another arknights player successfully recruited

[drifting willow]

[ashen kettle]

wtf

that's OP af

im one of the 2 that dies i guess

[dim walrus]

you're op af

[dim walrus]

no that's your POV

[ashen kettle]

no way in hell bro

maybe in another 5 years

[dim walrus]

too humble

I aspire to be like you

[west monolith]

I learnt to use Shayol skill 2 from Deemo, never went back to using skill 1 again

[main storm]

💀💀

[west monolith]

Justia when she has ulti is better at running away than Matari

Heck, if you want, you can use Yoto ulti to run away

[eager trail]

Once more i am here

Wow

@dim walrus thanks for killing chat

[earnest barn]

[earnest barn]

Why is there an arknights response for everything

[eager trail]

What’s stopping you is arknights what’s stopping me is probably because the world would be a better place

https://tenor.com/view/berserk-gif-24342450

[eager trail]

Fun fact everything’s a jojo reference

[earnest barn]

You're like 5 years late on that joke

[eager trail]

This also is a jojo reference

[earnest barn]

Unrelated though I got a Riven for the Ak in game. The Ax-52 or whatever it's called

[west monolith]

I just received the TessaPat emote, thanks @tropic pond

[earnest barn]

Xiran's art is amazing tbh

[eager trail]

https://tenor.com/view/berserk-guts-meme-guts-gif-17696051038207110127

[earnest barn]

Nah this

[eager trail]

Guts solos

Which one is you

Don’t tell me the table

[earnest barn]

Bruh even the lamest frame would break guts.. tf I like berserk and all but that's delusional

[earnest barn]

Harrow Prime obviously other is Arthur from 1999

[eager trail]

Guts solos

[amber basalt]

[eager trail]

So he’s not playable

[earnest barn]

Dawg.. buy the skin when it comes out like they said..?

They'll have one for each protoframe

[eager trail]

Why are you mad im just asking

[earnest barn]

There's no emotion in any of this

[eager trail]

I see

When the skin is coming out

[earnest barn]

With 1999

[eager trail]

Huh

[earnest barn]

Probably December is when big updates come out.

[eager trail]

I see

[earnest barn]

Really only get one huge update per year that's in December. They add stuff rest of the year obviously just not that scope

[eager trail]

What was the last big update

The whatever war?

[earnest barn]

Whispers in the Walls

The labs under Deimos.

You have to clear everything prior to access

[young raven]

This is so shitposting I love it

[earnest barn]

This place

[eager trail]

Damn

[earnest barn]

Did you get your drifter yet or no?

[eager trail]

My what

Only drifter ik is

[earnest barn]

That's the weirdest lore addition since the whole Warframes are people thing

[eager trail]

https://tenor.com/view/drifter-destiny2-ding-tag-flick-gif-16330328

[eager trail]

Right

[earnest barn]

Adult operator is called drifter and is basically a different person/ character in story not guy from Destiny.

[eager trail]

I know the fact that the destiny drifter is different

But i see

Interesting

[obsidian lagoon]

good morning all

[earnest barn]

Some people know who the drifter is before others did since there was that choose your start thing for awhile

[earnest barn]

gm

[earnest barn]

If you haven't tried customizing operator recently they changed it so you can use attachments and syandanas on them

[eager trail]

Good morning

[eager trail]

Ohhh I’ll make sure to check it even tho i did but i forgot

[earnest barn]

Prime operator suits have Drifter variants as well. They didn't for like 2 years though

[tropic robin]

hi, any mods available?

help us pin a message in #👾┃showdown please

[lone field]

Is there a way to see all the legendary cosmetics i got

[deft pollen]

[eager trail]

I see

[eager trail]

[eager trail]

Ok Dori, tell me how you really feel

[eager trail]

https://tenor.com/view/big-house-the-notebook-house-large-home-gif-12232213

[eager trail]

Ok

Hate me

Got it

Damn, u never watched notebook

Shame on you

[young raven]

I'm burning

[eager trail]

You’d understand if you did

😔

[native peak]

hello

[drifting willow]

hello hello

and welcome

[graceful basin]

Which team going represent eu on jcup ? ;D I Fall asleep on stream yesterday

[mental vigil]

hello how can i put symbols on my ign in pc?

[fresh flume]

Cuh

[autumn sandal]

Oh yeah I spamed this mode ! It's so funny

Hello to new people

And old.. shhh

[keen vessel]

https://www.igdb.com/games/naraka-bladepoint

who tf ranked naraka 6.3 stars

yall go rank it 10/10

game deserves it

"33 user reviews" more like 33 WEAK MAD NOOBS

[eager trail]

https://tenor.com/view/eobard-thawne-reverse-flash-finger-wag-nope-gif-16506266197207624020

[eager trail]

Biggest lie in history

[keen vessel]

no its real

[tropic pond]

Gtz 💙

[tropic pond]

Tysm! 💙✨

[ashen kettle]

Hey guys. Is there a replay system in naraka?

[young raven]

Nope

[ashen kettle]

So I have to record my gameplay if I wanna review them?

[keen pasture]

[ashen kettle]

Ohnoooo 😦 aites thanks guys

[keen pasture]

[young raven]

I remember people recommending medal as a recorder

[mint magnet]

Meeeee

[ashen kettle]

Aites, I'll try it out. Thanks

[mint magnet]

@gleaming spindle i didnt know you were repping Zai all of a sudden

[gleaming spindle]

Couldn’t be me prolly an impersonator

[mint magnet]

Idk seems convincing

John to John

[gleaming spindle]

That’s prolly John Doe

[lunar dome]

John Sean

[gleaming spindle]

Maybe

[mint magnet]

Lmao

[lunar dome]

Lmaoo

John Sean: Diddy No

[mint magnet]

No diddy

[karmic herald]

guess whos back

back again

hi guys

[autumn sandal]

GUYS !

13 days left

This chat is ded

GG @rough sandal

[mint magnet]

Veeycdead welcome back Arii

[autumn sandal]

He is already gone

Again

[gleaming spindle]

No diddy

[lunar dome]

Until?

[mint magnet]

F ortnite battle pass fs

[clear blaze]

https://tenor.com/view/fortnite-battle-pass-fortnite-battle-pass-song-fortnite-battle-pass-song-lyrics-fortnite-gif-25161695

[autumn sandal]

Lexie's bday, she will get old

[lunar dome]

https://tenor.com/view/what-huh-face-shocked-zoom-gif-23833189

[autumn sandal]

No genshin now ? Damn

[lunar dome]

I heard she's moving next door to me in the old folks home

How u get the green name

[mint magnet]

Lmaoooo

[lunar dome]

It's nice

[clear blaze]

https://tenor.com/view/raiden-ei-ei-raiden-shogun-angy-cat-angy-ei-gif-25199375

[mint magnet]

Star skins i think

[lunar dome]

I have star skins

[autumn sandal]

She visit France I show her some baguettes 🥖 and croissant 🥐

[mint magnet]

Which one

[autumn sandal]

You will be green when you are a whale 🐋 or the cheap version, you buy a Starskin in steam market (any, legendary too)

[lunar dome]

I am a whale I spent $1200 to pull a legendary star skin

[autumn sandal]

Show them here and tag Lexie

[lunar dome]

I don't have access to steam market place tho

[soft nimbus]

where my sigmas at

[autumn sandal]

Why not 1300 for a 100% extreme ? Tfok

[mint magnet]

Right here

[lunar dome]

I pulled the extreme tessa after, but I was only after 2p

[gleaming spindle]

Unfortunately I’m alpha

[autumn sandal]

Star extreme?

[autumn sandal]

@eager trail he need piss yellow.. eh.. I mean green color

[mint magnet]

Driiiiip

[lunar dome]

Lmaooo

[amber basalt]

I’ll trade you for wuchens

[lunar dome]

Nty, altho I do play wichen more