[Project Wisteria] Integrating Viola into P5R [SPOILERS INSIDE] | Persona Modding | Page 3

molten garden Sep 22, 2024, 5:59 PM

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they sounded rather strong about it tho

dense flower Sep 22, 2024, 6:00 PM

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morgana fans rise up

molten garden Sep 22, 2024, 6:00 PM

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morgana>ruferu

dense flower Sep 22, 2024, 6:00 PM

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combine morgana and kasumi. Best of both worlds

dawn tulip Sep 22, 2024, 6:01 PM

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But yea, most people complain about mods.

I got a decent amount of "hate" from Removed Morgana but I don't let it get to me since it's mainly like a joke mod

hardy violet Sep 22, 2024, 6:05 PM

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stupidity aside
i totally relate to the urge to make ones niche-ass fic "good" as that labor is part of the fun to me but yeah, i dont think "how do i integrate her good" is gonna be a useful question to field here

dense flower Sep 22, 2024, 6:06 PM

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^

dawn tulip Sep 22, 2024, 6:07 PM

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hardy violet stupidity aside i totally relate to the urge to make ones niche-ass fic "good" a...

What would be the better question then, do you think?

tribal crescent Sep 22, 2024, 6:08 PM

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As the saying goes, Persona fans don't read... and they definitely don't know how storytelling works.

dense flower Sep 22, 2024, 6:08 PM

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I mean you do read for like 100 hours so I can understand it.

hardy violet Sep 22, 2024, 6:09 PM

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i read umineko for the same amount of time and understood it so nah, its on them

dense flower Sep 22, 2024, 6:10 PM

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umineko deez nuts

molten garden Sep 22, 2024, 6:10 PM

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reading? what's that?

dawn tulip Sep 22, 2024, 6:12 PM

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molten garden reading? what's that?

think its some sort of food

hardy violet Sep 22, 2024, 6:12 PM

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i think whats more useful is are you getting across everything you want to in this mod

dense flower Sep 22, 2024, 6:13 PM

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hardy violet i think whats more useful is are you getting across everything you want to in th...

^

lofty compass Sep 22, 2024, 11:55 PM

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I never understood people upset by mods - they're optional! In terms of replacing, Violet, she exists in ~188 EVTs, but that doesn't account for things that happen in the overworld controlled by scripts.

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By controst

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Haru appears in ~338 EVTs

molten garden Sep 22, 2024, 11:56 PM

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Overall in total or just overworld stuff aside from palaces

lofty compass Sep 22, 2024, 11:56 PM

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overall

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so for the most part, the EVTs will be anything that's a cutscene with the fast foward options

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so that can be in a palace, a confidant event, a school event etc

molten garden Sep 22, 2024, 11:57 PM

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That's a lot of EVTs demistare ....
And Haru is somebody everyone is saying to replace for the most part

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What EVT count do you think would be a good number to aim for?

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Probably somewhere between Haru count and the large amount certain other party members get, if i had to guess....

lofty compass Sep 23, 2024, 12:00 AM

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Joker 1619
Skull 533
Mona 558
Panther 531
Fox 375
Queen 397
Oracle 283
Noir 338
Crow 152
Violet 188

tribal crescent Sep 23, 2024, 12:02 AM

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I'd say to focus on making just a few good ones, because even if/when event-editing gets easier, it's still going to be a lot of work. Hundreds would be if you had, like, a full dedicated team working on this.

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Unless you're thinking of just adding her to scenes in a relatively minor way, but even that is a non-trivial amount of work.

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Pick a few that you find meaningful to start with, low-frequency high-impact etc., to just get the mod finished. Then you can think about whether it feels meaningful to pad it out.

lofty compass Sep 23, 2024, 12:04 AM

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Just for comparison:

Shinya 25
Maruki 71

tribal crescent Sep 23, 2024, 12:04 AM

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^^ That's a good point of reference!

lofty compass Sep 23, 2024, 12:05 AM

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also you'll need to consider, if she's tied to maruki - what happens if his confidant is not completed by his deadline?

steel escarp Sep 23, 2024, 12:06 AM

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nothing A_Troll

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Or pull a sumi and lock half of it to 3rd semester

molten garden Sep 23, 2024, 12:08 AM

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tribal crescent Pick a few that you find meaningful to start with, low-frequency high-impact etc...

True....

lofty compass Sep 23, 2024, 12:08 AM

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btw - everyone's favourite and most useful confidant:

Ohya 47

dense flower Sep 23, 2024, 12:09 AM

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ohya protag mod

molten garden Sep 23, 2024, 12:09 AM

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steel escarp nothing <:A_Troll:931212635351973898>

I was also thinking nothing
It'd be unrealistic to have to versions of the 3rd semester
Telling the game whether two do the new 3rd semester or regular, dependent on her confidant finishing

molten garden Sep 23, 2024, 12:11 AM

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lofty compass also you'll need to consider, if she's tied to maruki - what happens if his conf...

Game plays out like normal 🤷‍♀️ (normal ending)

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You just won't know who it is she likes

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If anything, people will just be a bit confused

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In 3rd semester

lofty compass Sep 23, 2024, 12:25 AM

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Just for reference here's the breakdow of the EVT count where the character's ID is seen. This includes events that are unusued, duplicates, debugs, and potential variations due to bitflags/conditions, things like darts, billiards, jazz club (where you can different people attend based on randomness so everyone has an ID for that). Take it as a rough guide for the numbers (since weirdly the IDs for caroline and justine don't appear the same number of times!)

JOKER: 1619
SKULL: 533
MONA: 558
PANTHER: 531
FOX: 375
QUEEN: 397
ORACLE: 283
NOIR: 338
CROW: 152
VIOLET: 188
SOJIRO: 171
IWAI: 32
SAE: 102
HIFUMI: 50
OHYA: 47
TAKEMI: 56
KAWAKAMI: 102
SHINYA: 25
MISHIMA: 78
YOSHIDA: 21
CHIHAYA: 49
MARUKI: 71

molten garden Sep 23, 2024, 12:26 AM

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tribal crescent Pick a few that you find meaningful to start with, low-frequency high-impact etc...

Well, that requires the big picture first, like Croissant said 😅 i can have ideas, but the big picture should be figured out first
And other important details like awakening and so on

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Certain specifics need to be ironed out before moving on to other areas

tribal crescent Sep 23, 2024, 12:28 AM

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Making an awakening scene is gonna be, like, mega hard.

molten garden Sep 23, 2024, 12:28 AM

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Well i already cut that out

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That's an off screen thing

tribal crescent Sep 23, 2024, 12:29 AM

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Hmm, okay then.

molten garden Sep 23, 2024, 12:29 AM

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I already know that's biting off more than one can chew

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If anything, i'm interested in seeing her in 3rd semester events

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For the most part it's just adding her in and adding some dialogue to existing scenes to lengthen it

lofty compass Sep 23, 2024, 12:38 AM

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so i guess you'll need:

Introduction scene - how does she meet the party/joker, and what reason does she have for knowing them/joker and keeping in contact.
Confidant Introduction - Different to the above, why does she become a confidant and what's her arc (sounds like you have this)
Context and background information for her either tied to a confidant arc, or to the plot, or both depending on your implementation
If you want to do hangouts - what hangout events make sense at locations, what stats does she boost (if any) and how do they help/hinder confidant
What is the climax of the confidant arc, and how does she remain interesting post it (don't wanna turn out like ann!)
6 Romance??
Ending, saying goodbye at the game end

molten garden Sep 23, 2024, 12:41 AM

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There is no way you can romance her. 😂
She'll be shocked, say she's flattered but tell him she likes somebody else, and that she wouldn't dare be so irresponsible as to date a minor (a student, nonetheless)

steel escarp Sep 23, 2024, 12:43 AM

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True

molten garden Sep 23, 2024, 12:45 AM

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Unlike a CERTAIN teacher we know

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By stat, do you mean social stat?

lofty compass Sep 23, 2024, 12:51 AM

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that's up to you

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she could also boost HP/SP if you wanted to

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or just give an item

molten garden Sep 23, 2024, 12:52 AM

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I feel she's increase something like intelligence or understanding
Leaning into understanding tho

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Because joker is learning and starting to understand her (a foreigner's) point of view rather than a typical japanese person

lofty compass Sep 23, 2024, 12:55 AM

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which stat s that?

molten garden Sep 23, 2024, 12:56 AM

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Ah shoot that's right
Understanding was in p4

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Maybe you need rank 2 guts and rank 2 kindness? Enough guts to approach and the kindness to ask what's wrong

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And her confidant raises kindness

molten garden Sep 23, 2024, 1:26 AM

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Still don't quite have one for this, seeing as under normal circumstances they wouldn't meet
Yeah, I already have an idea for that
I imagine the topic of her past would be something she feels is too heavy for a teenager to listen to. I feel like pieces gradually being revealed would be smart. Saying that this happened to her but not going into full detail. something like 'this happened to me years ago.' 'are you okay?' 'Don't worry about it; happened years ago. I'm over it.'. And the biggest bombshell of her past (the grooming) could be revealed in Maruki's palace (likely via the tape)
Hangout would be a good idea, give her more of a presence in game. I'd have to look at hangout locations and decide which places though
The confidant itself isn't written in full, but I have a vague idea. I haven't pinned down something like an external conflict yet.
n/a
probably thanking him for taking the time to get to know her, her perspective as a foreigner, keeping a lonely person company lol, and for helping her come to realizations she may not have reached by herself

molten garden Sep 27, 2024, 9:07 PM

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We have wiwi (Viola) PT sprites, I repeat: we have PT wiwi sprites now

steel escarp Sep 27, 2024, 9:07 PM

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pogU

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glorious

dawn tulip Sep 27, 2024, 9:23 PM

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She reminds me of Wonder

molten garden Sep 27, 2024, 9:24 PM

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The mask?

dawn tulip Sep 27, 2024, 9:27 PM

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The sprite mainly

molten garden Sep 27, 2024, 9:28 PM

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I don't see how but okay lmao
The person who made this never even played P5X, which is the funny part

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Viola's thief design was made before I even saw the design for Closer

molten garden Sep 28, 2024, 12:47 AM

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These sprites make me want to expand on the first video tape scene (after the tape finishes)
Poor Viola...heartbroken that she never had a chance....

dawn tulip Sep 28, 2024, 1:18 AM

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molten garden These sprites make me want to expand on the first video tape scene (after the ta...

Will you also be getting a sprite for upset viola? Aka the sprite of Sumire where she looks like shes been crying for days

molten garden Sep 28, 2024, 1:20 AM

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When she's shaken up just before and during that battle against her (sumi)?

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That would have to be photoshopped

dawn tulip Sep 28, 2024, 1:21 AM

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Before the battle is more anger, then sad.

The sad one is when she says "please let me live as kasumi!"

molten garden Sep 28, 2024, 1:22 AM

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Show me which one specifically

dawn tulip Sep 28, 2024, 1:23 AM

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Me when the mod crashes when it's supposed to load.

but its this one

molten garden Sep 28, 2024, 1:24 AM

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i left it that way purposefully

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Viola doesn't have a sprite equivalent to that, so it was left as is
same with some of Sumi's models

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oh wait the mod i did was just only vivi's models over sumi

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not her sprites

dawn tulip Sep 28, 2024, 1:26 AM

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So she becomes sumire in some scenes and viola in other scenes on purpose?

molten garden Sep 28, 2024, 1:26 AM

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for testing animations and how the model worked in game

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yes

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like for cutscenes

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uhhhh

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some of her dlc outfits

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otherwise I covered over her other models

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I believe I did go over her PT models with Viola's tho

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all of them I think

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there may be one that was untouched, by likely because it's called by a cutscene

dawn tulip Sep 28, 2024, 1:28 AM

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custom dlc outfits for her, or normal violet costumes but fitted FOR viola?

molten garden Sep 28, 2024, 1:28 AM

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violet's custom dlc outfits

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the only ones that her changed were her everyday stuff (costume wise)

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her other ones like p3,4, arena, dancing, etc are untouched

dawn tulip Sep 28, 2024, 1:30 AM

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Gonna try to make those work as well for her, or just not bother with 'em?

molten garden Sep 28, 2024, 1:31 AM

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well, like I said, this mini model replacement mod was just made so that we can see how her model works in animations in game

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So if there's any issues, we can spot them

dawn tulip Sep 28, 2024, 1:33 AM

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Btw, I had to take down my ZMenu cuz 1.0.4 don't like it.
I'm afraid I'll be retiring from helping with cutscenes.

I'll be expecting my check in the mail, I assume.

molten garden Sep 28, 2024, 1:34 AM

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An example of two models Viola doesn't have is a game compatible version of the transformation model and the model of her in her everyday clothes with mask (another type of awakening model)

dawn tulip Sep 28, 2024, 1:34 AM

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It was take it down, or not mod in 1.0.4

and also to port my 1.0.3 mods to 4

molten garden Sep 28, 2024, 1:34 AM

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So the in game sumi ones were left alone

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femmcbean
I haven't had my exe updated to 1.0.4

dawn tulip Sep 28, 2024, 1:37 AM

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Yea it kinda broke most mods that aren't 1.0.4

CBT/BGME are up though so thats good, same with Essentials

molten garden Sep 28, 2024, 1:40 AM

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But mine is just model replacement, so it shouldn't be broken?

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At least I don't think

dawn tulip Sep 28, 2024, 1:42 AM

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Nah you should be fine

molten garden Sep 28, 2024, 1:42 AM

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Was it just ZMenu that broke?

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Atlusscripthook or whatever?

dawn tulip Sep 28, 2024, 1:43 AM

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ZMenu full on closes your game if you play in 1.0.4

molten garden Sep 28, 2024, 1:43 AM

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Oh wow

dawn tulip Sep 28, 2024, 1:44 AM

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Works in .3 tho

molten garden Sep 28, 2024, 1:44 AM

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I know DDA had that other mod menu

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But it was made for ps4 p5r i believe

dawn tulip Sep 28, 2024, 1:44 AM

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Yea, ShrineFox.

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Works in PC as well

molten garden Sep 28, 2024, 1:44 AM

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But a port is slowly being worked on

dawn tulip Sep 28, 2024, 1:45 AM

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Yup, I got the PC version

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Though I do not know how well it works.

And rn it does not have 3rd semester stuff. But putting on skills/starting battles do work

molten garden Sep 28, 2024, 1:45 AM

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Shoot

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Well, the F number keys work wonky on my keyboard

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I can't use F3 in Blender with it

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I was when I was using the backup HP keyboard we have

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I may need to occassionally switch the two out
Possibly why zmenu isn't starting for me

steel escarp Sep 28, 2024, 9:20 AM

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PolitisInvestigating_Nmexsis

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uhh my mod menu can call things and edit skills fine

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all I've tried really

molten garden Sep 28, 2024, 12:23 PM

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Is your's the one shrinefox made or some other?

steel escarp Sep 28, 2024, 12:38 PM

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it is the shrinfox one

lofty compass Sep 29, 2024, 8:40 PM

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I use both, and I also use the console that someone releaed as well. Ive not updated to the new exe though, since Zmenu can run even during cutscenes, and I'm not willing to give that up (yet).

molten garden Oct 7, 2024, 12:52 AM

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Yeaaahhhh i haven't updated either
Especially since Zmenu has no intention on updating further

dawn tulip Oct 7, 2024, 1:01 AM

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So we've gotta test it in 1.0.3 and once EVERYTHING is now you want it, then we'll put it in 1.0.4

molten garden Oct 7, 2024, 1:45 AM

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That's what it sounds like dark

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I have the .exe for 1.0.3 still

steel escarp Nov 25, 2024, 4:01 PM

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What's our status on this? feeling motivated to out some things in place if you need to. Gonna work on my own mods otherwise

molten garden Nov 25, 2024, 6:47 PM

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I've lost some steam on this 💀 it's not that I don't love it, but i've bit off morr than I could chew atm
I did start on her all out attack cut in
But her all out attack finisher isn't in the game yet

steel escarp Nov 25, 2024, 9:58 PM

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I see

dawn tulip Nov 26, 2024, 3:14 AM

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Bro I haven't seen anything posted in here for a WHILE jeez

molten garden Nov 26, 2024, 3:15 AM

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I'm sorry 😭 i'm all over the place

dawn tulip Nov 26, 2024, 3:15 AM

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molten garden I've lost some steam on this 💀 it's not that I don't love it, but i've bit off ...

Also modder to modder?

I completely understand biting off more then you can chew. That Okumura arc overhaul mod? Yea I didn't uh think about that one too well. Same with SMT Skill in Royal. Fucked up something in there and completely lost track of all smt skill listings so that mods basically done for.

molten garden Nov 26, 2024, 3:16 AM

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I wasn't planning on showing anything haha
It was gonna play like normal

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Her awakening was never meant to be on screen - i already knew that was too much to ask for

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Smt skills? What are you talking about?? She just uses the ones found in game

dawn tulip Nov 26, 2024, 3:18 AM

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molten garden Smt skills? What are you talking about?? She just uses the ones found in game

I'm talking about my mods. ;-;

#[Project Wisteria] Integrating Viola into P5R [SPOILERS INSIDE]