but yeah do this to all of the outfits and your problem will be solved.
#[Project Wisteria] Integrating Viola into P5R [SPOILERS INSIDE]
dense flower
molten garden
ugghhhh making me do so much work /j
wait what version of blender did you do these in
steel escarp
no I bound it 
dense flower
4.0
molten garden
okay good
i didn't want that data loss stuff between all of us in the case one of us opened in 4.1 or 4.2 instead
but wait what about her shoulders constantly warping as well
weird...I don't see a thigh twist in the list
i see the thighs
dense flower
but wait what about her shoulders constantly warping as well
idk but you should just check the models ingame. Thats what I did each time as you saw.
molten garden
well it looks like for these jeans you used Makoto
dense flower
it's joker iirc
dense flower
Yeah, i don't remember her having jeans though.
steel escarp
we may have unrigged verts
Im looking aat my version and some part of the left arem has some
I can fix them soon
steel escarp
theif model
molten garden
ahhh
a lil bit above I linked all her models if you want to look at the others too
steel escarp
sure
molten garden
now I need to go do some mopping 
molten garden
.....lots of them cause warping
dense flower
try them ingame
molten garden
these are her field animations and I put here what it does to each of Viola's models
but yes you could also test in game since I made that quick model replacement mod
molten garden
None of them have real official model numbers, so i'd just call them 3rd semester, autumn, summer, spring, work, and metaverse lol
molten garden
For the metaverse?
steel escarp
Yes
molten garden
No wonder the "shoes" wouldn't stay on the feet all the way during animations
It liked to slide around
steel escarp
so I adjusted it so only the very tip of the shoes are bound to toe (as you would expect)
god damn snipping tool is so slow I pasted my tf2 sever details
this isnt a model thing this is just a broken animation
molten garden
Oh?
steel escarp
is this her at big bange burger or something?
molten garden
If it's sumi's armature, then it should work because they're her animations
molten garden
is this her at big bange burger or something?
I don't know, exactly
steel escarp
which is why I think its at big bang burger
because you wont see the legs at all then
or the cafeteria scene
molten garden
Like i said, i listed there what the field animations are (what she's doing) and how they're affecting the model, as seen in gfd
So if you wanna try a specific one, you know which to open
steel escarp
hmmm ok ok
the clipping is an animation problem, not a model problem really, we could try andinstead bindthe skirt to the leg parts however that can become inaccurate in could make other animations worse, for the autumn outfit
molten garden
Yeah
Autumn outfit is a real hit or miss one
It works or it doesn't
99% of the time it's the skirt
I kinda figured the clipping was animation
The model is just posing according to the file and depending on the outfit, it'll clip
I was just confused by the warping
molten garden
The warping?
steel escarp
the clipping
molten garden
Ahhh okie okie
Yeah, most clipping is minor
molten garden
Ahhh i always love a good nap
I realized though that in game how is her model supposed to call these animations if her model ID isn't 010? Because it's been agreed she'll use an unused model slot
tribal crescent
Copy/paste the animation files to the same new directory her models go into ✌️
(With updated file names.)
molten garden
Ahhh
So just change 010 to the new ID
tribal crescent
Yep!
molten garden
Btw what's the smallest unused model slot number after 10?
Or are all of them at the way bottom instead of spread out?
molten garden
Idk i just figured those numbers would be confidants
molten garden
Maruki is 1014 👆🤓
tribal crescent
There you go, then.
molten garden
I ended up having to memorize his model ID while working with his models
So i know it off the top of my head lmao
Just like party member ids are named in order of when they joined the PT
dense flower
almost, harus is 7 and futabas is 8
tribal crescent
Mostly true, although outside of the models that gets weird. And that, yeah.
Futaba's also 9 in the CORP scripts, for some reason.
And cutin IDs are all funky.
molten garden
Corp scripts?
tribal crescent
CORPXX.BF files, which are what get called when you talk to the party members in the overworld. Most of the rank event calling logic is in there.
dense flower
I feel like they must've originally had futaba join later then changed it somewhere down the line.
tribal crescent
Definitely seems that way....
molten garden
They must've realized 'hey, don't they need a navigator sooner than later?'
But changing the id was too much of a hassle
dense flower
maybe haru was gonna be the navigator
molten garden
....that is an odd thought
tribal crescent
Or just Makoto....
dense flower
almost got haru navigator😔
molten garden
I can imagine her giggling and saying to use physical to dice them up
tribal crescent
Lol, cute.
molten garden
You know she'd say it in that happy, carefree voice
dense flower
but I mean they had some difficulty figuring out the PTs (hifumi) so maybe the navi role wasn't that thought out at this point?
molten garden
"Okay guys, this one is weak to slash! Just cut them to pieces 😊😄"
dense flower
persona 3 reference
molten garden
?
dense flower
cause you said weak to slash
molten garden
Ah
Well i mean
There's slash, pierce, and i think stab? Or was that last one named something else?
steel escarp
strike
molten garden
Any other discoveries, DDA?
steel escarp
Well a lot of the issues are fixable by editing thr animations, haven't gotten to any of the further gaps yet but they probably have similar issues
molten garden
It's kinda odd this is the case, considering the armature is the same
Tomorrow I should go look at the models and see if any of those thigh twist things need to be renamed
99.9% of the issues are just: warping shoulders and legs (sometimes part of the arm) and clipping of the clothing
But otherwise they're fine
But those are the parts that displayed the most issues
It could be the animation, it could be unrigged verts like you mentioned earlier
We have to look at each model to see how they look (to be more precise, I should be the one looking, then reporting back)
molten garden
Out of curiosity, has the community already figured out how to edit the text messages?
The already existing ones
upbeat current
Out of curiosity, has the community already figured out how to edit the text mes...
As in the ones you get on the phone? If so then yeah
molten garden
Okay good
upbeat current
(that was a tall embed so i deleted it but i linked to a mod that edits the texts messages to be clear lol)
molten garden
Gotta make sure we can edit Tora's texts
molten garden
I (finally) looked at each of the models and they all look like what's in that pic 🤷♀️ I don't think there's anything wrong with the vertex group names
dense flower
did you look at them ingame
molten garden
kinda difficult when I can't get zmenu to start
dense flower
what version of p5r are you on
molten garden
the 1.0.3. one
dawn tulip
what version of p5r are you on
Everytime she opens ZMenu, a new window opens.
molten garden
a new browser window, to clarify
and it's so weird since it was working fine before
I can try again tho 
nope
I should probably just make a post in the mod user channel
dense flower
uneven widget
NO VIVI WATCH OUT THAT'S A FREAKING PEDO
molten garden
LMAO
dense flower
and it shouldn't be an issue for the rest of them since I did no edits to the legs aside from fixing the vertex group (which I did for all of them). So you should be fine.
molten garden
🤔
There is one thing I still need to try that isn't models
I made Viola's confidant portrait so I need to email that to myself
dense flower
i'll test it
molten garden
you're a life saver 🙏 i'll keep looking into how to resolve this issue
it's supposed to go over Tora's confidant portrait but technically we can try any
dense flower
ok
steel escarp
Oh wait I should ummm
dawn tulip
but im the tester. ;-;
molten garden
lol
steel escarp
If you want the fixes for the pt model
dense flower
simply too slow
molten garden
shrimply*
steel escarp
Represent the shoes
dense flower
yeah, the weight bug
molten garden
the useless ones
who's portrait should I replace for the test or does it not matter?
dawn tulip
simply too slow
well soRRY I have stuff to do. >:c
dense flower
just gib file
dense flower
well soRRY I have stuff to do. >:c
a true tester drops everything they're doing to test.
dense flower
thats the right file type
molten garden
dense flower
dawn tulip
HE.
molten garden
SWEEEETTTTT I don't have to make any corrections
sorry not sorry Tora
gotta think on how to do her text portrait
since typically they aren't a copy paste of the confidant portrait
dawn tulip
Does she have a battle portrait?
molten garden
nope, not yet
I should make one though
gotta figure out where those are unless I already extracted them and don't remember
ah, I did
well
P5_BATTLE_PARTYPANEL.SPD
dawn tulip
When you do make one, you could prob just use that as the text portrait
molten garden
true...
make one that's normal face and one that's battle
this is where I'm glad I invested in an ipad pro
so I could make stuff like this without hassle
so I got the panel fine
but the rest of it just exports as spdspr and amicitia won't export that to dds or whatever
dawn tulip
so I got the panel fine
but the rest of it just exports as spdspr and amicitia w...
what rest do you need?
I can try to get it for ya
dawn tulip
If you got the panel, what else do you need?
molten garden
well clearly we don't have the character sprites there
the black and white ones
I can see that in there is the hp and sp bar
so I assume the other battle bust sprites are in there too
because the png i just showed is their white background behind the sprite
dawn tulip
is that what you needed?
There's also this.
It has a picture of Kasumi in it though idk where it's played
molten garden
What about when they're highlighted?
molten garden
hmmm
but wouldn't it be that if we replaced Haru's metaverse model + this gui sprite, it would replace her entirely instead of just 3rd semester?
molten garden
i got my work cut out for me 😔
dawn tulip
but wouldn't it be that if we replaced Haru's metaverse model + this gui sprite,...
Yea
molten garden
there's also her all out attack finisher
@tribal crescent @hardy violet , know any possible work arounds?
dawn tulip
Phantom thieves don’t have unique models for 3rd semester besides winter outfits, so you’ll need to replace harus winter outfit with violas metaverse outfit, or stick with the normal world outfit.
You’ll also need to change the battles that involve her to use the winter outfit
molten garden
wait hold on
party members have copy models, right?
couldn't we paste over a copy model and tell the game to load that model?
Hypothetically that would also make it so EVTs can be edited to add this new model for cutscenes (not the full blown animated ones)
so she AND Haru can be in the same scene with Viola just using Sumi animations
I could be wrong though
just a hypothesis
c0007_171_00 and c0007_177_00 are both listed as placeholders that use Haru's metaverse outfit
tribal crescent
I don't see how that's a benefit over just adding models under a new ID...?
Also, not sure what you're looking for a workaround for, exactly.
molten garden
Well if we replace Haru's model for Maruki's palace
Wouldn't it replace her in all the palaces Haru's available?
And Viola is only in party 3rd semester
tribal crescent
Well, party member stuff is inherently going to be more complicated. I don't think there's a way around this that isn't "replace Sumi instead" for battles.
If you don't want Viola in place of Haru pre-thirdsem.
For events, it's not really here or there.
molten garden
Does the game call a specific metaverse model in battle?
molten garden
Shoot
Problem is, is that Viola wields a morning star so Sumi's attack animations would make no sense
tribal crescent
You can replace Sumi's battle animations with Haru's.
molten garden
Which is why I brought up Haru, considering she wields a big axe
Tje swinging motions wouldn't be all that different
what if we got rid of Yusuke because Ryuji is still a tank amd since Viola is an ice user we wouldn't have to get rid of the psi-user
tribal crescent
It's just the file paths that are hardcoded. You can change the files themselves.
molten garden
Hmmm
Maybe Yusuke would be the better replacement
If players wanted to keep their psi user
Just a thought tho
I also thought about the dlc costume route for battle
lofty compass
can you force a costume?
tribal crescent
Oh, that could be a good option.
IDK if you can force it... maybe with flowscript...
But even so.
molten garden
I just didn't want users to have to manually turn the costume on, is all
But it'd work for battle
tribal crescent
Also, I don't know whether changing the costume could change the animations....
dense flower
someone was working on that iirc
molten garden
Well, I meant more for cosmetic changes in battle without 100% replacing Haru in the overworld over the course of the story
We could add Viola's model to cutscenes since I believe in cutscenes the models go back to normal?
In the metaverse
molten garden
Then yeah
dense flower
yeah thats just event editing
molten garden
We can easily have both of them in an event
tribal crescent
Well... "easily" 😅
You gotta add and position a new model. Not easy, but possible, yes.
molten garden
True....
tribal crescent
Hopefully easy eventually 🫥
molten garden
I need to learn EVT editing if it ever gets easier
tribal crescent
😶🌫️
molten garden
Cause i'm positive I need to learn some coding 💀
dense flower
Do I have some news for you
molten garden
I know the evtgui is in works
But more for adding the models into scenes amd positioning them like ajda said
tribal crescent
Right, you'd probably still want to be somewhat aware of flowscript.
molten garden
I don't want to drop everything in your guy's lap if I'm capable of doing it or capable of learning some basics to do it myself
Nagisa was willing to pay for her project, but I want to stand and do whatever i'm capable of so i'm not a burden
tribal crescent
🫡
Flowscript is a hell of a way to learn to code, I'm ngl. But the things you'd want to add should be simple enough.
dense flower
trial by fire
molten garden
Right, you'd probably still want to be somewhat aware of flowscript.
Yeah
I try to take that into consideration when I'm brainstorming
There's only so much that the code of the game can do
tribal crescent
True... and yet also more than you'd think, sometimes!
All the overworld stuff and confidant event scheduling... should be very code-able.
molten garden
I probably know there's limits at all from my dad
He's a total techie and tests traffic cabineta for the state
Technically he is qualified to become an engineer, he just doesn't apply for the position
molten garden
All the overworld stuff and confidant event scheduling... should be very code-ab...
I'm fine of availability just goes with Tora's schedule
Though there will be occassions she's not available because Maruki is with her
Like how you'll see random customers in leblanc
Overall though, at the moment, I'm tackling the small things
Making sure there's no model glitches, making stuff for the ui, etc
molten garden
Making sure there's no model glitches, making stuff for the ui, etc
I'm just glad her confidant portrait fit in perfectly -
tribal crescent
Yeah, that logic seems like a finishing-touches sort of thing.
molten garden
They're small, so overall digestible
I still want to see her all out attack portrait in game 😭
I've heard it's hard tho
And you said they're split into pieces
I wouldn't even bother considering changing the animation pre-all out attack image
(Where she sits at a table sipping tea)
tribal crescent
You'd just want to replace it with a textured plane rather than messing with all the rest of that nonsense, yeah....
molten garden
OH SHIT THAT'S RIGHT VIOLA NEEDS CRIT CUT IN AND THE AOA CUT IN
I got my work cut out for me 
Idk where they are though
dawn tulip
Idk where they are though
Critical Cutin is BASE.CPK/BATTLE/CUTIN
AoA is BASE.CPK/BATTLE/EVENT/BCD/GOODBYE
The portrait that appears before the AoA commences is BASE.CPK/BATTLE/GUI
dawn tulip
All but the AoA finishers, they sorta are but need to be manually edited
Like in Blender
molten garden
Akechi has a lot
dawn tulip
You can guess why lol
Also, I don't have a clue of editing AoA finisher screens and was looking into that for Removed Morgana
molten garden
well since they're split up, maybe morgana is one piece of it and all you need to do is make a blank thing for it?
dawn tulip
Here's the thing though, almost all of the good stuff is in EPLs and idk how to get into those.
PersonaEditor/Amicitia don't work
molten garden
ask ajda
dawn tulip
@tribal crescent What are your thoughts? How can we get into EPLs to edit stuff, then compile it back up?
Also BCDs
tribal crescent
BetterEPLInjector
dawn tulip
And BCDs?
molten garden
😱
tribal crescent
Why are you getting into BCDs, anyway? They're mostly battle camera data, no?
molten garden
ohhh okay
dawn tulip
Why are you getting into BCDs, anyway? They're mostly battle camera data, no?
I'm trying to get into AoA finisher screens. The actual characters I can't find, only the props
Well, the ART of the characters
tribal crescent
I don't think they'd be in BCDs 🤔
dawn tulip
I see a couple BCD files that seem like they are them. They have the character ID numbers on them
molten garden
alrighty...got the 2nd gui stuff all sent over, so I can tackle those
dawn tulip
oh I found him btw. So he getting removed from there as well XD
molten garden
Lol
dawn tulip
alrighty...got the 2nd gui stuff all sent over, so I can tackle those
Also here's her Finisher screen.
(Uzuki was her beta name, just like Ryuji is called Reiji)
This however is hard to edit due to her being inside the background as well
molten garden
Oh crap
I just realized Haru would have to have her skill set changed
dawn tulip
wait I forgor, she's replacing haru?
molten garden
Yeah
I was speculating Yusuke earlier since they both use ice
And since there's other tanks in the party
molten garden
Wasn't there a thing where you could give party members different personas?
dawn tulip
Someone was working on that, but idk if they continued it. They got to the part where they got the persona to summon but the game crashes.
You CAN change the model and animations of them though
Along with their name, arcana, stats, and background.
molten garden
Yeah
dawn tulip
Just can't actually change-change them, like you can't give others izanagi no okami
molten garden
That (the model replace) sounds easy
Looks like either Viola os inheriting Milady's skill set or we change it
Can't change skills just cause she's in a new costume
dawn tulip
It is.
I managed to replace the party personas with reloaded personas
name, arcana change, model change, animation change
molten garden
She's (viola) is an ice user but a psi user is invaluable because she's the only one you get unless you fuse a psi centered persona
Which is more work for the player
dawn tulip
If Viola's a Ice User, and the point of the mod is to replace haru entirely (i think?), then shouldn't be too hard to change the skills to ice
molten garden
It's not that
It's the fact we'd be overwriting the psi-skill user
Unless we made a persona and put it into the compendium so players still have access to psi skills
dawn tulip
I mean, you COULD take Milady and put her inside the compendium, replacing a UNUSED persona slot
molten garden
Didn't think that was possible
dawn tulip
I did it before with Nyx Avatar.
very annoying to do but it works.
molten garden
Is it possible to make it free?
dawn tulip
Is it possible to make it free?
Not sure?
But read this if your gonna go through with this.
https://gamebanana.com/tuts/16195
molten garden
@steel escarp exported Antigone (viola's persona) bit she wasn't testing and the model isn't finished because of a road block
It's her texture
Antigone has body markings , but....
I can't get my screen tablet to connect properly. In order to get the cleanest lines, I certainly can't do that with a mouse
And I have no clue how to translate those body markings on the dds
Other wise all Antigone needs is for her hair and clothing to be weighted
The only downside is that her model is Sati, and said model is from Reload. Idk if the animations can translate over
hardy violet
I don't think they'd be in BCDs 🤔
they are bcds
iirc from talk of editing futaba aoa anims
molten garden
I know the model can, but not sure about animations
dawn tulip
they are bcds
iirc from talk of editing futaba aoa anims
I found the art inside a EPL.
molten garden
I know the model can, but not sure about animations
So yeah
I have a road bump or two
The biggest is the texture
tribal crescent
they are bcds
iirc from talk of editing futaba aoa anims
🤯
BCDs are don't have a custom tool, yet, do they...?
Huh. Didn't realize they could have full models embedded. Sounds like it's time to study the template 🕵️
molten garden
Would those models be the ones you see with the animation just before the aoa finisher screen?
dense flower
no, iirc it's only for futaba
tribal crescent
Atlus moment....
molten garden
Every day I spend here, my mentor's words sink in deeper lmao (that they're sloppy)
tribal crescent
I'm certain they've got a fine bunch of software engineers and artists, but the code reeks of what I like to call "What Working Under Crunch Does To A MF."
molten garden
Workaholic culture 
dense flower
I assume they were also a bit guilty having to delay so much.
molten garden
The delay was worth it imo
dense flower
well yeah, but it's that feeling you have at the back of your head that makes you not feel good about delaying. And the fans being mad.'
molten garden
So yeah
I have a road bump or two
The biggest is the texture
Maybe I'll have to forgo the texture for now 😞
Focus instead on weighting stuff and fixing anything on the model
steel escarp
<@655082103121248256> exported Antigone (viola's persona) bit she wasn't testing...
Oh yeah did I ever like
Give you thr blend and gmd for that 
steel escarp
The only downside is that her model is Sati, and said model is from Reload. Idk ...
animations are easy can just use blender as a middle ground
import psa and then export as gap
I cab do this when I get back
texture paint in blender automatically edits the image if you paint the model
molten garden
texture paint in blender automatically edits the image if you paint the model
Yeah but
That's the thing
I can't get clean lines when my tablet is refusing to work I only have my mouse and i'd prefer to use that as a last result
molten garden
Give you thr blend and gmd for that <:Rise_what:1170755019641999430>
I think? But as I mentioned, she's unfinished unless you weighted all that stuff for me lol
I can try agaim bit the damn thing is stubborn
The display will show but the computer isn't registering it, even with rhe drivers
steel escarp
I think? But as I mentioned, she's unfinished unless you weighted all that stuff...
I didn't rig the toga but I can do that
Blender auto weight shall save me
molten garden
I usually transfer weights 😂
Her toga, hair, and sandles all haven't been weighted
I'll download that fixed texture mudkip did
steel escarp
I just needed to reload the image and it was fine
molten garden
i think I got it working
hand me the gmd
it works
it's (the tablet) apparently very particular on how it's set up
So now I should finally be able to paint her body 
molten garden
hand me the gmd
@steel escarp hand over the goods 
molten garden
I can't work without the gmd
molten garden
Gitfa
Wait I just realized
What about the ice animations?
In battle
Since Sati uses fire
Idk if those animations are separate
Then again
This Sati model is a public release, it wasn't ripped by me from the game
So I don't have Sati's animations
But I have Reload files to extract from
steel escarp
the animations are based on the skil used
if you make it use ice age it will use ice age animations for the skill
Anyway here
molten garden
Ahhh okay good
steel escarp
molten garden
Woot
molten garden
I'll get to work later tho
I have a therapy appt in an hour and after that i'm p sure i'll be eepy
molten garden
I can rig it aswell if you would so desire
Yes please 🥺
steel escarp
ok
molten garden
Idek how to rig still
steel escarp
you work on the texture then I'll rig it
molten garden
steel escarp
should be a simple dds swap afterwards
molten garden
At first i'd planned to model the markings cause i'm an idiot
steel escarp
molten garden
Yeah I know -
When Antigone is done i'll work on those crit and aoa images
Then they can be tested 
I'm still amazed I managed to form the rest of Antigone's legs without using the sculpt tool
Just edit mode
steel escarp
edit mode my goat
molten garden
Surprisingly it wasn't hard, despite the looseness of Sati's pants
Thankfully the toga hides the part of the inner thighs I couldn't smooth
I think the one thing I dislike about sculpt mode is that it makes the verts messy and unorganized
Which is why I always fit clothing using edit mode
steel escarp
I might be at this a while trying to get it to fit properly
molten garden
The dress?
steel escarp
yes
it doesnt consistently deform
this is actually going to be a challenge
I might be able to scale it a tiny bit actually
molten garden
Well, a toga is a loose article of clothing to begin with
How I fit it is how it's supposed to be
I mean, iirc, togas are a single piece of cloth that was draped across the body a specific way
And they generally weren't body-conforming-close to the person
So realistically you don't need to scale or refit the toga
From the screenshot you sent before, you just need to hide the sandals
steel escarp
when I rotated the spine bone the upper body clipped through
molten garden
Boobie
steel escarp
correct
molten garden
I'm just proud I fit something complicated like a toga on the model with the folds those things have
All other toga models were either sexy togas, or the wrong type of toga (since antigone is athenian. Greeks and romans had different looks for their togas)
steel escarp
molten garden
Uh oh
There's no way we can uh
Import the original armature to slap it on this one, huh?
Forgive me father, for I have sinned
molten garden
😔
I don't blame you, ngl
I just wish it wasn't so pixelly
I shrunk the canvas, imported her and the hand, scaled those down, and then exported
molten garden
Forgive me 
molten garden
It was convenient at the time
steel escarp
it will be pain but less pain than remaking the vertex groups
molten garden
rename the bones again
That's a lot of bones
steel escarp
its not too many
molten garden
True
I don't recall seeing a big amount
steel escarp
however I messed up my copy so um yeah I'll be donwloading that again
the top half uses auto weights fine
the bottom half does not
molten garden
RIP
molten garden
I don't think either of us anticipated the bone names being different
Where I got it
In retrospect I did some rather big changes
Not the Sati u knew anymore
molten garden
Once more I apologize, this is my fault
steel escarp
not really
just the madman that felt the need to change them
No reason
they're all english and pretty easy to understand
molten garden
I heard XPS has their own name scheming
steel escarp
wdf
dawn tulip
In retrospect I did some rather big changes
molten garden
100% of the time they're converted to XPS is for use in MMD
Cause there's a little side program made for MMD that converts XPS to PMX
Legit the only reason they're released as xps
molten garden
https://tenor.com/view/shakira-hips-dont-lie-shakira-hips-dont-lie-hips-dont-lie...
Yeah I refused to give her a sexy toga
History accurate pls
I should write a lil post here about what's accomplished, what's on the immediate list/being worked on, and the future stuff
molten garden
hrmmmm these body markings are not turning out how i'd like 
they looked better in my head
dawn tulip
don't things usually look much better in your head then how they come out though?
molten garden
true
i'll draw it all out anyway to see what the full thing looks like before deciding to ditch the idea or not
steel escarp
something about the armature the psa doesnt like still
let me just like
try it with the raw sati armature
wait I think I know the issue...
but it doesnt matter
dawn tulip
well if you think you know it, share it here incase it's important
steel escarp
I think the actual name of the bone structure was incorrect
it didnt have a _ in the 21_30 or whateer
its the only inconsistency between tyhe 2 aramtures
molten garden
well at least it isn't big
i change my mind about earlier, the marks are starting to look good
steel escarp
oh my god I used control z when removing a vertet group and they ALL BROKE
steel escarp
im baffled and crying (so real)
molten garden
unless somebody else can figure out what's wrong
steel escarp
I've got it its ok
cant say I understand why they all shift but I knpw what causes it
so I can avoid it
steel escarp
its fixed, and I am posting ot here now so I have a future copy
I will ave to manyually rig the toga but at least the animation works now
yes it is also larger because it needed to be I think
or it was the above issue described
molten garden
for some reason I can't select multiple bones
which I kinda need to so I can lift the fingers to paint them
ah well
steel escarp
uhhh
molten garden
i can just highlight the bone at the base of the finger
steel escarp
its shift I think
molten garden
which i tried but for some reason it's being weird
steel escarp
oh I also missed a shoulder 
molten garden
thank goodness i'm only doing the texture
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PROGRESS REPORT:
This is just for tracking purposes
Done:
- Viola's models
- Confidant portrait
- Everyday Viola sprites
- AOA Finisher (not implemented into game yet)
Currently WIP:
- Viola's PT sprites
- Antigone
What needs to be worked on:
- Animations
To-do in the immediate future:
- Party panel portrait
- AOA portrait
- Critical hit cut-in portrait
To-do after all of this:
- Start writing Viola's confidant
dawn tulip
I know you haven't written it yet but have you given thought of how rank 1 and 10 would be like?
molten garden
not yet! If possible, I plan on asking the server what types of confidants they enjoyed, what they'd want to see/play as the player, etc
get a consensus before settling on the final idea
I can't please everybody, but I don't want this confidant to be one where the general consensus is that it sucked balls and they don't know why they picked up Royal again for a shit ass confidant
dawn tulip
kinda reminds me of one of my mods
molten garden
what do you mean?
dawn tulip
got a little cocky with a difficulty mod
'The Jester EX' Currently it's everything but. Boss is easy af, barely does anything good damage-wise, wastes turns, etc.
I said "Idk if anyone can beat this", and it kinda backfired.
Don't get cocky before people play the mod people!
molten garden
lol
people are picky with confidants and social links, so I want to get an idea of what the general consensus is among players
I'm not 100% confident writing it, but if I have a direction, it should be a bit easier
And if anybody is willing to look over the ranks and give feedback, I can make it better
dawn tulip
Well since she's replacing Haru, it'll be tougher since haru's is about a coffee shop basically.
Along with her "fiance"
molten garden
we're replacing Tora's link
dawn tulip
alright, same thing,
His is about politics, so unless we remove his speaking events, it'll be tougher
molten garden
Haru is replaced in the metaverse
but I plan to see if I can use the constume frame-work so that Viola is toggleable (spl?)
To make things easy I don't plan on changing Tora's confidant schedule
so it'll be the same as Tora
just different location and dialogue
and Viola is in the evening
dawn tulip
when viola talks, you just hear a "You..." in a male voice XD
molten garden
lmao
mute it or see if somebody is remotely interested in voicing lines lmao
I would... but my mic is crappy with noise\
dawn tulip
I'm a male so I can't
dawn tulip
Idk where confidant lines are either so I can't silence them either
molten garden
somebody should know
i don't have my hopes up for a voice with Viola because I'm pretty positive nobody would be interested
and i don't have money to pay 😅
hardy violet
i dont rly like my voice unfortunately
dawn tulip
you and me both.
My voice sounds so bad in audio form.
molten garden
maybe in the future somebody will be interested not crossing my fingers
i think there's that voice acting forum, actually...
people like to sign up for projects and do it for fun
damn nvm the site shut down
dawn tulip
betcha due to lawsuits or something.
molten garden
i don't think so?
the people on that site weren't voice actors
some are aspiring, some did it for fun
but overall i don't think they were breaking copyright laws
i guess there's another forum like it that's up so maybe I put a post there at a future date when we have more stuff put together
molten garden
betcha due to lawsuits or something.
but it could've be legal issues because of fandubs
dawn tulip
Well if you can’t get voice acting, guess silencing will have to do
molten garden
Like I said, I don't have my fingers crossed haha
It's just a nice extra
I'm just grateful all you guys are helping me with this
Projects with OCs don't get a lot of traction (i think?)
Having @tribal crescent on board definitely helps
molten garden
@steel escarp
Took a few hours, but it's done
The body markings are based off of ancient athenian pottery! Usually they were always black and gold
Some pottery had individuala painted gold with a black outline and sometimes they were painted back with a gold outline
Sometimes the lines were white
molten garden
And tomorrow I should be able to start working on those GUI pics
I read the costume framework also works for GUI stuff
Makes all the added stuff items
molten garden
<@655082103121248256>
Oh shit it's actually incomplete
I forgot the underside of the hands
Tis a quick fix i'll do later
molten garden
@steel escarp
OKAY HERE
I would've done full body but I figure there's no point if you aren't gonna see her lower half
I used AF7825 if you wanna edit it in any way
@steel escarp after everything is all fixed, we can test her
steel escarp
Ok
I cab use the ultra cursed auto rig if you want a rough test while I a tully fix it
molten garden
Naw, we should have her fully fixed before trying anything 😂
But at least the texture is done
steel escarp
I'll try and rig it not cursed
steel escarp
I will have to fine tune a lot since well
the mesh wasnt really made for this
so its not mirrored
molten garden
Gomen.......
I didn't anticipate any of this happening
This becoming a thing, that is
molten garden
She looks cool tho
I think at the time i was A. Being a lazy-ass or B. I hadn't refreshed my memory on how to rip from Reload
The listing of the Toga
I feel bad since you're essentially doing more work on this model than i did 
Harder stuff
steel escarp
Its just not mirrored (I think uniform is the better term here), basically its unoptimised for this usecase but thats fine we can live
the hardest part is really just like
deciding what verts you want to move
molten garden
RIP left ankle lmao
molten garden
But yeah
Getting there
steel escarp
actually let me connect them
molten garden
Probably because that area is like
I think split in two originally?
steel escarp
she had shoes before I think
molten garden
The pants and foot
steel escarp
or something over her ankles
molten garden
Yeah, the edge of her pants
I figure the feet and pants mesh are separate? hence the disconnect
steel escarp
Ya
molten garden
Since models are split up into pieces and all
Still did solid work turning that into this
steel escarp
molten garden
I meant...it's from the back so I don't think anyone will see or notice lol
If you wanna cover it, AF7825
And she also has those sandals
steel escarp
oy wait true
tbh you could probally get away with it like this
sandal clipping is hidden by the toga
molten garden
The only area that I believe needs sculpting to even it out better is the ankle area and her upper inner thighs
But the latter is hidden
And the former likely isn't very noticeable
So I don't see much need imo
We also don't see personas that close up as well during gameplay
steel escarp
welp time to watch myself get error messages from the gmd export
molten garden
There's a lot of verts tho
Didn't you say there's like a limit of 6000 or something
dense flower
6192
molten garden
There's 27000 something on this 
Wasn't it that even if you successfully export it that the game will crash when you try to import it?
Well
Import it then try to play it
dense flower
6192 per mesh. Not for the whole
dense flower
then you'll be fine
molten garden
I wish the body markings were a bit cleaner...
Straighter lines
But they also have to be uneven to follow the shape of the body
Oh well, they still look cool
If they need to be gone I still have the original texture
steel escarp
I mean as long as its not like
80k+ total I think we are fine
yaldy is like 55k anyway
molten garden
Huh
I thought he'd have more as well
Maybe he looks bigger since we see him more up close vs yaldy
molten garden
Omg I captured the golden outline effect on the model
It's not as obvious from other angles but it's clearer when you look at the front or back
Thank you for your work thus far 
The athenian tragedy brought to life
steel escarp
I may need to edit a few of the shader parameters but it should be alright to load
let me make a gap and I can get it loaded over a slot
molten garden
The Sati gap?
molten garden
I know 😔
I heard last time spotted was Nocturne
I love Sati, I use her in Reload
steel escarp
wait we need a few more animations
I can like
"make" one where its just the first few and last frames of the existing magic animation
molten garden
For ice attacks?
molten garden
Huh
steel escarp
idk man
ok I'm gonna do a bit of research and get an unused persona slot I can put her over and make the animations in a bit
molten garden
steel escarp
we have animation people!
molten garden
She moves!!!
@dawn tulip testing up to you unless DDA decides to test it themselves
steel escarp
well I can at least throw them ingame
dawn tulip
~~<@479842815124439040> testing up to you unless DDA decides to test it themselv...
Send it over
molten garden
You heard 'em, DDA
dawn tulip
DDA's playing royal so they testing it. ;-;
molten garden
RIP job stolen
dawn tulip
I am now useless to this project
molten garden
Lol
DDA volunteered for this one, so you're okay -
molten garden
Uhhhh
What happened to her
molten garden
Tf
dawn tulip
ok now im kinda glad I didn't test it lol
molten garden
Antigone broke the game
molten garden
she's too good for the game
steel escarp
what a flashbang
steel escarp
~~she's too good for the game~~
molten garden
You think mudkip would have an answer
steel escarp
dawn tulip
I mean he's made custom persona stuff before...I think?
molten garden
Poor DDA
Working overtime
It's only 6pm here but 2am for u
steel escarp
true
dawn tulip
9:30pm over here
molten garden
Then maybe we do need Nyx's help
steel escarp
molten garden
Alright Nyx you got your job back -
molten garden
Missing shader? Hm 🤔
dawn tulip
yup, it's 1fps for me as well.
The model is broken and I believe that "shader" thing is the issue.
molten garden
Well Dwine's shader is applied
It should be as simple as putting it back to principled bsdf? (Or is bdsf?)
I think
dawn tulip
Try without the shader on it.
So we can atleast see if that fixes the fps
molten garden
Yup
Try without the shader
Though uh
Good ol DDA signed off
dawn tulip
playing blender
molten garden
Nvm then lol
dawn tulip
Imma see if I can get some buddies in another server to see if they can figure it out as well
dawn tulip
well bye <:PlatPeek:746867090518048819>
can you remove shader first!!!
molten garden
or at least send the model blend!!
steel escarp
I dont think its a blende thing but sure
molten garden
well the blend so we can remove shaders THEN export again
steel escarp
there is this funney key on my keybaord inbetween alt and windows that I keep pressing
its a second escape
dawn tulip
also I entered a battle and it didn't appear white like yours
so your game is either broken or one of your mods are
molten garden
Screenshot, i must see!!
dawn tulip
Bro the game runs at 1fps. by the time the screenshot happens we gonna have flying cars
molten garden
😔
tribal crescent
Her Persona's power is to stop time....
molten garden
LOL
hardy violet
za warudo
dawn tulip
anyways, once the shader is off the model that MIGHT fix the issue of the fps
Alright it's the model alright.
The lag only happens when the model of the persona is suppose to appear
dawn tulip
The material I assume. Ercar might be getting something to fix it
molten garden
What do you mean?
dawn tulip
Ercar said he's thinking it's the material, so take the material of a another persona and put it onto this one.
He's giving it a try rn so im waiting to hear back
molten garden
Ohhhh okay
Well nothing on that model came from Royal
The only persona asset on that model is the body, but that's from Reload
dawn tulip
The only persona asset on that model is the body, but that's from Reload
Thank Ercar.
You exported the body without a UV map as well
I believe thats why it wasn't working
molten garden
But DDA made a UV map for it 
molten garden
Thank Ercar.
Thank you our lord and savior @sterile atlas
dawn tulip
Also the model inside of the persona select menu is bugged. That I'm not sure can be fixed.
Also in visual tbl the model size needs to be 100%. By default, it's 60%
sterile atlas
But DDA made a UV map for it <:femmcbean:967512336594247700>
Idk the specifics but the uv map got nuked on Blender import. I recovered it from a dae export so no big deal. I just use Arsene for testing so don't worry about that
dawn tulip
Idk the specifics but the uv map got nuked on Blender import. I recovered it fro...
Why's the model working for you in the selection menu??
Mine's all broken
molten garden
Cause he's god
sterile atlas
I assume it was mostly material but the UV thing could have been the fps issue I guess. I never had that before
You probably have a modified shdpersona I guess
molten garden
Shd?
sterile atlas
Controls the menu size of models among other things that I'm not sure. It's a pain imo so I just never edit mine
But most big persona mods will have one edited
Especially for unused slots
molten garden
Well uh
Before I learned how to rip from Reload, I got Sati here as an XPS
https://www.deviantart.com/sasuke-bby/art/Persona-3-Reload-Sati-XPS-1022816993
If that's any insight
dawn tulip
Oh btw Neo, here.
These IDs are for custom persona animations. It'll tell you what they use for each ID
molten garden
Why you calling me Maruki?? 😭 bruh
dawn tulip
idk what you mean.... c;
molten garden
I WON'T LET ANYBODY GET IN THE WAY OF MY DREAM!!!!
sterile atlas
Oh wait lmao do you need me to post the models or did Nyx DM them?
molten garden
We just post 'em here
It's the project thread
Which for some reason i can't change from concept to active project
sterile atlas
molten garden
I love how you put 'real' in parenthesis lol
dawn tulip
nah I didn't DM them.
sterile atlas
Thank Ercar.
Now that I'm looking at this I have no idea what happened with yours
That's not an SHD thing lol
dawn tulip
Idk either.
dawn tulip
Well, the last date modified was when base got unpacked so it's not that
molten garden
Not looking forward to the hair……
molten garden
I frankensteined Lavenza + Ann + Justine + Ryuji
steel escarp
I assume it was mostly material but the UV thing could have been the fps issue I...
Wait I do , but it was only in my other mod I had disabled
steel escarp
anyway I think I might finish my ai script today and make a thread for my boss fight
uneven widget
Persona Modding Boss Gauntlet real?!?!
steel escarp
molten garden
Just need to fix the view when viewing Antigone's info
molten garden
Damn, brutal 😅 basically saying don't bother
There's gotta be some way 😅 ....
Very discouraging response
steel escarp
I mean
its a
confidant for a reason
can go the entire game wothout doing any optional confidants
and the story is the same
dense flower
No, it is definitely possible. The only reason you notice her so much is because you've played the game before. Even then there is a way to make this not an issue. You just have to find it really. But how kasumi was implemented was definitely not the final stage of what can be done.
molten garden
your thoughts, guys? Like how do you think she can be integrated in the story? anonymous here flat out said it's impossible and adding a new palace is well...well it's not really feasible
and interrupts the flow of the story
dense flower
they're anonymous who cares
molten garden
it's easy to reduce the screentime of Haru's arc by cutting out cutscenes and supplementing that knowledge with edited events
yeah but I also don't want a majority of people just dropping the game because of Viola
dense flower
it's a mod. People will know what they're getting into.
molten garden
true
steel escarp
dense flower
this is YOUR mod. You get to decide everything. Sure they're kinda right but it's obviously coming from bad faith.
molten garden
but I'd also like her to be a bit more of a confidant?
molten garden
not to take over the story of course
steel escarp
but I'd also like her to be a bit more of a confidant?
confidant with a couple run ins in the main story or something
molten garden
but to have screentime without taking over?
steel escarp
Though that would be a bit difficult
dawn tulip
This is your mod Neo. You're not gonna please everyone, there will always be some form of criticism. You do what YOU wanna do.
molten garden
Because it'll feel too random if during 3rd semester it's all of a sudden "oh look at her gasp she was Maruki's ex-patient???? she's in love with him???" because it's out of nowhere
steel escarp
dense flower
im making a femc mod. Theres gonna be tons of people who get put off by this or that. Who cares? Unless it's genuine critique why should it matter? Again it's your mod.
steel escarp
Wouldnt the confidant give that context though
molten garden
sort of
steel escarp
Just like pull a sumi and have half of it locked until 3rd semester geegee
molten garden
it'd be hinted there's somebody she loves but i want to make it as vague as possible
dawn tulip
im making a femc mod. Theres gonna be tons of people who get put off by this or ...
Exactly! There's NO mod that there's nothing people will complain about
molten garden
well I know THAT
but I also don't want her presence to feel janky
i'd have to go through the game's calender to pick spots in the story 💀
dense flower
The only reason were having this discussion is from bad faith criticism.
molten garden
and there's events aside from major story events
this is where @tribal crescent would come in, methinks. They're working on event stuff like documentation so perhaps they can help with coordinating appearances
dense flower
you didn't have to ping them
molten garden
it'd be interesting to see her in that cafe scene where Akechi asks Sumi's opinion on the PT
eh 🤷♀️
molten garden
I know a chunk of main story events are listed down but some inbetween ones aren't
dawn tulip
while 10% is from third semester, 5% from valentines, and 5% from gameplay
steel escarp
wait actua;lly
steel escarp
Because it'll feel too random if during 3rd semester it's all of a sudden "oh lo...
||isnt the entire lab background people who maruki has seen/ given therapy too? Doesnt seem too out of place to me ||
molten garden
in the entrance?
and also you don't need to spoil stuff in here
everything is out in the open
dense flower
I mean rumi exists and she gets brought up then shoved aside immediately.
molten garden
Btw, has anybody figured out how to bring up the notes thing? because I know you can change dialogue box things
But would it even be possible to make another note (journal entry)
Just have it be stashed with another one of the notes
steel escarp
dense flower
I had an idea
molten garden
I mean I had a journal entry written out that takes place between two of the entries
but it wouldn't hurt just pairing them together as two separate notes that are found
dense flower
you probably should be thinking more about the big picture rather than trying to get into the thick of it
molten garden
this was made up on the spot a while ago:
"I've been working with her for a while, but there's this troubled woman I've been attending to.
It's taken time, but she's finally opening up. When I first met her, she reminded me of Rumi....
Her eyed looked so dead, almost like she was a robot. When she finally opened up enough, it pulled at my heart.
What a miserable existence she must have...
I've tried to do what I've done with prior research subjects, but no matter how hard I wish it I can't reach that voice...
I need to save her. I WILL save her."
yeah I know
but I do have certain points in mind
I'm just setting them aside for now until I do have the big picture
dense flower
I had an idea
You know how he talks about the whole "the character needs to be introduced in a palace"? What if you really introduced her in shido's palace?
molten garden
🤔
dense flower
since i guess other than akechi no real character gets added in this palace
molten garden
in story she awakens in okumura's palace
dense flower
2 characters in a palace seems a bit much especially since it's okumura's palace
molten garden
well it's only a brief scene that happens off screen
dense flower
thats not a good idea
molten garden
it's while haru and morgana are still renegade
dawn tulip
You know how he talks about the whole "the character needs to be introduced in a...
by using early violet?
molten garden
they discover her power but keep it to the two of them out of her request (because she's on a work visa, she can't afford to break the law)
Her existence as a persona user is only revealed in Maruki's palace since they need extra man power
steel escarp
I think an intoduction near shido time is fine
molten garden
but that can be re-written
dense flower
they discover her power but keep it to the two of them out of her request (becau...
you could still have the same idea. Since they dont recruit kasumi at shido.
molten garden
But yeah
I guess she's meant to be a surprise? Basically Morgana and Haru were stupid and Viola got dragged in
All of them are attacked by shadows but Viola, like how Ryuji did in the first palace, uses herself as a decoy and lets herself get beat up so the two of them can get away.
dense flower
shido was the one who cut funding to maruki's research. Since they'd be close you could potentially have that be leaked by maruki. So then it happens in shidos palace
molten garden
what gets leaked by maruki?
like during his confidant he mentions a former patient?
dense flower
that shido cut the funding
molten garden
but we learn that from the video tapes
dense flower
yeah, she could be in the tapes. Or something similar.
molten garden
that was something I considered in the past but I don't know, coding wise, if it's possible
dense flower
well it's just an event so it can be edited
molten garden
just copy the structure of one of the other video tapes from the code and edit it?
or it could be 'huh? there's another tape here'
dense flower
no, just edit that tape
that specific one. It would be weird to have an exact copy of it just with viola
molten garden
but then that erases the impact with sumi
molten garden
ohhh shibusawa
and we learn the cut funding in the last tape
steel escarp
dense flower
yeah, thats what i mean
dense flower
then she gets the motivation. Then just happens to get the metanav. Like all of the other people who happen to
molten garden
i know when maruki tries to change her cognition a year or so ago it doesn't work because she has too willful a personality
dense flower
i mean the PTs were changed. And the only reason akechi wasn't was because of joker.
molten garden
maybe the metanav happens at the end of her confidant? And the confidant has a time limit?
dense flower
nah, i mean it's up to you but I don't think thats nessesary
could be yaldy coincidentally giving it later on?
molten garden
okay let's backtrack cause i'm a little confused 😵💫
bullet points what ideas there are
dense flower
either way you probably should take the time to objectively look and jot down the general story beats she's gonna have gameplay wise
Like events. what time, What arc, etc.
molten garden
Well I know that
That's why I need ajda's help for that
molten garden
no, i mean with going through events so I can write those changes
finding them
because you have big story events and then days where nothing happens
dense flower
just go through each event on the wiki with kasumi in the description
molten garden
i could put events in some days where nothing is going on
dense flower
you could also just watch a video about kasumi
molten garden
....aren't the events listed just major events? 😅
dense flower
you could also just watch a video about kasumi
and just do this if you can't find something specific.
molten garden
it's be interesting if she was Sumi's english tutor
Since she's so busy at school
dense flower
you can think about those later once you have the big picture
trust me. you'll need it
molten garden
i'm just thinking about these details mainly just to make her presence in the story make sense?
dense flower
well theres no real point thinking about them until you can figure out how to expand upon it. I mean theres a chance it's impossible. But you wont know till you've seen everything. You might even think of something that you never would've otherwise.
tribal crescent
I'll say this: If someone didn't enjoy Sumi's role in Royal, they're very unlikely to play a mod that involves the addition of an OC. So I don't think that's an opinion you need to be worried about. There's no way she's not going to feel a little bit tacked on, and that's fine! Having fun with it is more important than pleasing people who are already not on board with the idea (and, again, are probably not even going to be using the mod).
dense flower
^
molten garden
true
It's a good thikng the wiki also accounts for the simple stuff like when exams start and stuff while Amicitia goes into further details
overall, what are the ideas we all presented so it's all together
I'm not trying to think of details right now, but i'd like the ideas to be in an organized list to look back at later
dawn tulip
People who crit others work most likely won't use it. at all.
molten garden
true enough 🤔 they know what they're getting into, unlike kasumi
hardy violet
Damn, brutal 😅 basically saying don't bother
what are they smoking sumi is barely present before third sem 😭
tribal crescent
That must be the person who wanted a No-Kasumi mod, lmfao.
molten garden
who knows lol