Arrow Cannon Theorycrafting

[keen sail]

Just how fast does a single cart have to go to erase a village?

Surely someone has done that math. Let me Google

Rip

The explosion has a base power of 4, the same as regular TNT, but the game also adds a random bonus value up to 1.5 times velocity, but no higher than 7.5. This means that with a speed of 5 or higher the power is a random value between 4 and 11.5

No infinite scaling

Useless

[hollow parrot]

No escaping the limits of minecraft

[keen sail]

I can only abuse the mechanics that have fun loopholes and infinite scaling

[hollow parrot]

Infinity is a great number, but my mana cost will always be greater

Anyway, I'm going to my world and test if the arrows in a railgun can be spread

[minor grotto]

Big O comparisons be like

[tacit merlin]

gang catch me up on what ydvancements we'Ve made

[lapis sapphire]

A concerning amount, i believe

[tacit merlin]

damn

[mortal nexus]

Next: Egg Cannon (for making baby chickens spawn at insane distances)

[tacit merlin]

...why

by the way, have we thought about how works in lazy chunks?

[hollow parrot]

We already have a way of stacking those (portals). Why would you need/want lazy chunks?

[tacit merlin]

why not 🤷‍♂️

[hollow parrot]

Anyways, progress has been slow, but is mostly due to life and my lazyness towards this monotonous task.

I've got a problem tho, with a turret that won't work, even if I replace it. It turns on the 1st time then ceases to function. I see no active redstone signal that could be blocking it.

[hollow parrot]

The machine isn't finished, but the mechanism to summon the portals and shoot the walls is already done. So I still need to get the arrows there aswell and send the scroll back.

[hollow parrot]

So guys, I have some questions to make you, since you'll be the ones using this machine.
For now it looks like you'll need multiple Enchanters Eye's to aim the machine.

Tell me:
Do you prefer having a rudimentary aiming system (Only be able to increase the loads, reset when selecting the oposite side) but therefore having a less crammed inventory?

Or do you want full control (plus & minus for each side) but therefore have to switch items between the hotbar and the inventory?

The options are:

• a) Scroll + 1 eye to send the scroll + 4 eyes to aim --> Less control, faster setup
• b) Scroll + 1 eye to send the scroll + 8 eyes to aim --> More control, slower setup

[tacit merlin]

i'd love both at the same time, but that seems kinda complicated

having just a seperate mod would make this so much easier istg

btw mr graph man how does the calculation like actually work

[sinful yew]

Ah right, about this stuff. Leap acceleration won't be in official ars, the fixes to direction will btw

[tacit merlin]

:CCCCCCCCCCCCCCCC

doesnt that scrap like half of what we've been working on

or well

i say we

mostly graph man

[hollow parrot]

Yeah, no railgun.
But we can use what we learned about portals on explosive spells

Maybe a claymore or something like it

[tacit merlin]

we'll have to launch it up tho, makes the arrow go straight up

im not sure if we can redirect the arrow using a rotated portal

[hollow parrot]

Except if, instead of having a wall, we cluster multiple and trigger them on a block, launching arrows stuck in water

[tacit merlin]

mmmmmm

ender pearl launcher, yeah no that should work (?)

how do we then shoot them all on the same spot at the same time tho?

just portals?

[hollow parrot]

<portals>

[tacit merlin]

how to make things better 101: portal spam

thats it, end of course

[hollow parrot]

and maybe using falseweave, I believe it was called. Redirects spells that hit it, in the direction it is facing

[tacit merlin]

wai

i forgor is there like a directional change spell

[hollow parrot]

Well, I'm talking about a weird looking block

[tacit merlin]

im talking about what if we could store spells

[hollow parrot]

[tacit merlin]

that

yes

[hollow parrot]

Yeah we can. Although there may be a time limit on spells

[tacit merlin]

that may require testing then

cuz being able to just store spells could have some interesting implications

well

uses

[hollow parrot]

Hmm... Storing 1k explosion spells...

[tacit merlin]

and then releasing them all at the same time with a placed portal inside

to

[hollow parrot]

Summoning them over a base

[tacit merlin]

wherever you want

[hollow parrot]

Ohohoh

[tacit merlin]

infinite range, no real wind up it just appears

[hollow parrot]

Yep

[tacit merlin]

hell it would be really easy to build aswell

keep in mind tho this is all betting on the fact that spell projectiles dont just disappear

[hollow parrot]

To easy. Just need a good farm nearby and that's it

[tacit merlin]

littearly any form of mana regeneration would do

[hollow parrot]

Else, just build a lot of turrets in front of a portal and trigger them on command

[tacit merlin]

you could also make a wall in your base that you shoot spells into to put them in the "battery"

[tacit merlin]

yeah but thats bulky

[hollow parrot]

Ohoho

[tacit merlin]

just make sure you dont walk in...

lol

if a spell projectile hits a on the floor what triggers first, the rune or the spell

or, both

[hollow parrot]

We could also "aim" the spells.
Just think about it.
We summon them near the player, who puts a wall with which he can aim the direction the spells fly in

[tacit merlin]

can you prop on a rune?

where does it shoot out from?

[hollow parrot]

Dunno. But with false weave that shouldn't be a problem

[tacit merlin]

can we make an exponentially stacking spell battery?

[hollow parrot]

Well, runes require mana. Same as turrets.
It may be easier to just use a turret constantly firing into the battery

[tacit merlin]

well yeah but i doubt a rune with prop. would be that expensive,

that alone would allow us to make pretty much an infinite range drill

...i think

[hollow parrot]

But I mean, these false weave blocks would rotate the spell without using mana

[tacit merlin]

well i guess yeah

but does it stack

wait

[hollow parrot]

Oh. Another possible use

[tacit merlin]

nvm

one would trigger and yeet the other projectiles away

[hollow parrot]

Yep. I did a test once, firing 20 projectiles into an array of these blocks that ended compressing the spells into 1 line

[tacit merlin]

and we cant really use prop arc bcz thats gonna fall out of the batter

unless we build it vertically

carpet bomb, 1 arc hits with and throws the others away to bomb the surrounding area :D

[hollow parrot]

You can have false weave stuck to false weave. I don't think it would fall out

[tacit merlin]

you can just do that? damn

[hollow parrot]

yep

[tacit merlin]

quick side note: i love how this is the most used thread lmfao

[hollow parrot]

Right now my minecraft's updating, so no testing for now

[tacit merlin]

aww damn

im in school so

[hollow parrot]

Me to 😦

[tacit merlin]

i'll be home ~4:30 CEST

i think anyway

could be later

[hollow parrot]

Me in like 3h

[tacit merlin]

sounds goog

i also love how we started out with trying to shoot an arrow really fast and have developed carpet bombing technology

[hollow parrot]

Finnished loading 😄

[tacit merlin]

W

go test carpet bomb fr

[hollow parrot]

going

[tacit merlin]

carpet bomb work?

[hollow parrot]

Sry, still in school. Don't have much time to test

[dusk cliff]

spell projectile will die out after something like a min

[tacit merlin]

:C

[hollow parrot]

So no spell battery, but a spell capasitor

[hollow parrot]

Guys, I have an idea.
What if, instead of using spells, we used magic arrows.

I don't believe they despawn.

[tacit merlin]

for the battery?

[hollow parrot]

We could use portals, and maybe a bit of water slowing them down, to "save" the arrows

[hollow parrot]

Yep

[tacit merlin]

i see what you're getting at

that would also let us use arrows for double or arrows for more powerful spells

[hollow parrot]

Yes. Also multishot crossbows

[tacit merlin]

yep

that makes it a hell of a lot faster to start the battery and store large amounts of spells

[hollow parrot]

Really, the only drawback is that someone would have to load it manually

[tacit merlin]

which is only really a problem if you use ONLY ars nouveau

[hollow parrot]

Also, I believe that arrows have less drag (are faster) than spell projectiles.
So there might be a possibility for some arrows (if not all) to be launched into tha stratosphere and never return

[hollow parrot]

Is there a mod?

[tacit merlin]

you can just chunk load them using mekanism dimensional stabilizers, anchor upgrades, ftb chunks, flux networsk etc.

id assume arrows still get processed in chunk loaded chunks

[hollow parrot]

Yeah, no. That wasn't my worry.
I mean that reloading would need to be manually done since there doesn't exist any machine that could dispense them with magic effects (like spell turrets)

For example, if we used spells (which can only be stored 1 min) we could use portals and spell turrets to load the charge, while the player is out and about.

[tacit merlin]

oh

yeah i guess you'd have to charge the battery yourself

[hollow parrot]

Well, in an hour or two I'll be free to test it out

See you then

Also, @tacit merlin, I saw your post in the Domain Expansion thread.
If you want me to look for possible uses, please explain how that glyph works

[tacit merlin]

as far as i could tell, its basically aura but centered not around the user but around a seperate entity that spawns wherever the user activated the spell, it then targets every entity inside (unsure of arrows/spells)

DO NOT and i repeat DO NOT use aura + domain on the same spell.

[hollow parrot]

Simple spell battery design with spell prisms. Also works with homing and arc.
Despawn time is 60s.

Spells can be freed by using the typical

Tomorrow I'll test out the arrow version

[hollow parrot]

@Arin Like what you see?

Holes tend to be 40 blocks long, 20 wide and 30 deep

I tried it with arrows, but those tend to trigger while loaded

[tacit merlin]

now THAT is awesome

[hollow parrot]

Now I'm trying to make a square hole

The machine

And the result:

[hollow parrot]

AMMO TEST:

• Spell 1 = [arc projectile]*2 *5
• Spell 2 = [arc projectile]*2 *6

RESULTS:

• Spell 1: diameter = 50 depth = 45
• Spell 2: diameter = 56 depth = 50

[hollow parrot]

I call this one the bunker buster.
It went through 50 layers of sand, 40 of stone and 25 of seepslate

Anyways. Since the leap modification won't be in future versions, we'll have to specialize in .

Wall works "well" but only shoots up.
I suggest that we try hitting a block with an spell to launch nearby arrows. The downside being that now we can't make it portable.

I know we have some programmers in this thread.
Might any one of you be able to tell me how affects explosion radius?
That way I can prepare some formulas

[sinful yew]

radius = BASE.get() + AMP_VALUE.get() * spellStats.getAmpMultiplier() + AOE_BONUS.get() * spellStats.getAoeMultiplier();

where the uppercase stuff is from the config values

[hollow parrot]

Thanks. And could you tell me the value of the multiplier and the base value?

[sinful yew]

the spellstats things are just the number of aoe/amp augments

the others are in the explosion config file

[hollow parrot]

Thanks a lot. I'll have a look then

[hollow parrot]

GUYS!!
Have we tried ??

Maybe we can cast it on an arrow before it is accelerated

[hollow parrot]

From what I understand the base radius is 0.75 and increases this by 1.5

Ok. Done some testing and these seem yo be the right values

[shut summit]

About aligning arrows?

Can you not fire and arrow into a block from beneath and use a piston to move that block (or trap door?) and have it fall straight down?

[lapis sapphire]

Graph man save us all please

[hollow parrot]

In a bedrock build I used dispensers and the distance to the block in front determined the spread.

Total alignment was achieved with distances >= 0.5

[hollow parrot]

Can't RN. Making a graph

[hollow parrot]

Efficiency for explosive propulsion

[hollow parrot]

Archive for our creations:
https://discord.com/channels/743298050222587978/1237032308197031956

[hollow parrot]

Guys. I'm considering building an based cannon that uses an aiming system identical to the railgun's and integrates a delayed arrow warp spell and a spell capacitor to increase the damage.

Some spread in the arrows would be built in, so aiming it shouldn't need to be as precise as with the railgun

[hollow parrot]

Hello guys. About that cannon.
Does knockback stack velocity or replace it?

[tacit merlin]

i assume it stacks

[uncut needle]

I just got into a modpack with Ars and, while a fair bit of this has gone over my head, this was really entertaining to read through

[tacit merlin]

hats off to you my friend reading 1000+ msgs with the conclusion being we have no idea how to do it efficiently without a big contraption is very cool

[uncut needle]

I read up to here this morning, to avoid getting out of bed, but I realize I'm like 2 months behind... Oops lmao

Regardless, entertaining up til what ive read

[sinful yew]

there was a correlated post that experimented on a custom build where stacks speed instead of overriding it

but that custom won't make it into official versions

[hollow parrot]

Yeah, we know

Also, knockback only stacks up to 15 dmg

[tacit merlin]

aww

[hollow parrot]

But it stacks really weirdly.

Using 6 amplifies per spell:
-1 - 8 dmg
-2 - 11.5 dmg
-3 - 13.5 dmg
-4 - 14.5 dmg
-5 - 15 dmg

[tacit merlin]

and the 6th doesnt do anything?

[hollow parrot]

just 15

[hollow parrot]

Ah no, the number on the left is the amount of walls used

[tacit merlin]

yeah i know

the 6th wall, i mean

[hollow parrot]

Each wall uses 6*

[tacit merlin]

does, after the 5th wall, it just not have any effect

[hollow parrot]

No. Same damage

[tacit merlin]

yeah

no effect

[hollow parrot]

'xactly

[tacit merlin]

thats what i said

[hollow parrot]

I know

[tacit merlin]

good

[hollow parrot]

I meant no as in no effect

[tacit merlin]

we're just going back and forth here lmao

[hollow parrot]

yep

@sinful yew I just tried using pull, and it seems like you devs have another bug to correct

If casted by a turret, it shoots the arrow at 135º from what you'd expect

[tacit merlin]

who ever would use pull on a turret-

[hollow parrot]

Instead of leap

or knockback

[uncut needle]

Bros name is graph man for a reason

[tacit merlin]

yep

[hollow parrot]

I'm testing the spread of a dispenser, to include it in my calculations for the boom cannon

[tacit merlin]

certified 🤓 right there, but its my 🤓 so i cant say too much

[hollow parrot]

^^
Some facs can't be denied

[lapis sapphire]

Graph man doing graph man things

[hollow parrot]

Graph man proudly showing off his work

[lapis sapphire]

god damn

[hollow parrot]

For now tho just represents the spread of a cannon.
Tomorrow I'll probably add the "auto aiming" part

[lapis sapphire]

dangg

[hollow parrot]

Okay. Should be done now

The red cells are for changing the specs of the cannon (shouldn't be touched).
The green ones show direct results (settings to shoot the gun).
The blue ones are extra information on the shots and the yellow cells are for direct user input.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Zsj3Q0-RMBvk9xxVVtiXRDDkZ6DuJrg0o81cr3SAWho/edit?usp=sharing

[hollow parrot]

The graph shows the direction that most arrows would travel in (black) and the calculated spread (different colours).

[lapis sapphire]

Graph man you are a fucking legend

[hollow parrot]

Thanks. Now only comes the part of building this machine and making a schematic for it

Also. The length of the lines represents the speed.
So the yellow and red deal 30 dmg, while the green and blue only 12 dmg.

[sinful yew]

how should i reproduce it?

wall turret?

TIL pull can pull walls

[hollow parrot]

Yeah, turret casting
Use any arrow launching mechanism (dispenser, bow) that is slow enough to not phase through the wall

[hollow parrot]

Something like this

[sinful yew]

should i fire towards the turret or away from it?

[hollow parrot]

Doesn't matter. It always launches it in the same direction, from what I've seen in my tests

[hollow parrot]

Turns out that having multiple in one spell pushes entities farther

[hollow parrot]

So, according to the spreadsheet, the optimal spell is

[keen sail]

?

Still seems like the average momentum from all the explosions should be the same direction

[hollow parrot]

I forgot adding

[hollow parrot]

I'm not sure that would work. The spells explode at 1 blocks distance from the arrows.
But could summon an explosion inside the arrows, spreading them a lot

[keen sail]

Hmm. Does burst target the individual arrows? So 100 arrows is 100 explosions?

[hollow parrot]

Yeah, think so

Also, would spawn an explosion in the block the arrows are at

Although now you've given me an idea, @keen sail .
If we used burst (without sensitive), and conveniently had a stack of items laying on the ground, it could potentially summon a stack of explosions

[hollow parrot]

Still, using sensitive, the most repulsive spell is

[hollow parrot]

We should try that

I can't for the next couple of days, so someone else should try it out

[hollow parrot]

Just corrected some problems with the graph

Gonna start building this machine

[brave estuary]

.

@hollow parrot this one?

[hollow parrot]

Yep

It isn't done yet, but the gist is using to launch arrows at ungodly speeds

[brave estuary]

welp

can you link me to the spells itself?
i'd want to be a 🤓 and help, but i'm not 🤓 enough to participate in this thread

[hollow parrot]

The spell is

That propels the arrows which are blinked to the target with

[brave estuary]

but these won't fit

[hollow parrot]

This requires a complex machine to charge up with dozens of explosion spells, set up the arrows, blink them and release the spells to push the arrows

[hollow parrot]

What do you mean?

[brave estuary]

Oh

So you mean I charge the first spell into turrets

And click with the second spell on the target?

[hollow parrot]

Not exactly

On a loaded chunk you'll build this complex machine, which you can setup with enchanter's eyes and a warp scroll (to tell it where to shoot), and it'll use turrets to shoot automatically

So it's a remote turret that tps the arrows to your location

[brave estuary]

Ohhh

[hollow parrot]

Yeah so... it will be complex and I'll have to build a schematic or something, after I actually finish it

[frank minnow]

wow I birthed something horrible here huh

[lapis sapphire]

Nuh uh

[hollow parrot]

You don't see the beauty in your creation

[frank minnow]

oh but I do

horror and awe can coexist

[hollow parrot]

Fear and praise

[frank minnow]

glad someone better than me at math picked this up

[hollow parrot]

Still a bit lazy, but eventually I'll get it done

[frank minnow]

off the top of my head ars warp portals don't preserve velocity right

[hollow parrot]

Oh they do, alright

[frank minnow]

oh??

[hollow parrot]

The problem is that the portal is 1 block thick, and the game only calculates every 1/20 of a second

So if your entity moves faster than 20 b/s it has a chance to go through the portal

[frank minnow]

layering portals behind each other as failsafe "nets" with same exit pos hasn't worked experimentally?

[hollow parrot]

Oh I already tested that and it does in fact work

[frank minnow]

oh baller

but then it turns into a whole not very portable contraption which defeats the original goal I think

[hollow parrot]

The issue is that with the speeds we are getting, you'd need some 50 to 100 portals

[hollow parrot]

Well, the machine itself was never meant to be moved, just re-aimed.
The issue is that it will take you a whole afternoon and multiple stacks of warp scrolls to adjust the portals
.

The easy solution is

Just change the scroll in the chest and you're good to go

[frank minnow]

so current implementation is better for like a claymore

a trap to be sprung rather than a gun to be fired

[hollow parrot]

Yeah

It would be pretty hard to set up at speed

I mean, you can use enchanter's eyes to change the scroll

[frank minnow]

could see it maybe having applications in a modded factions SMP

where you could feasibly have a crew operating it

[hollow parrot]

Yeah

One guy to aim the gun, another to set the position

[frank minnow]

so wait does the portal also preserve the angle at which the arrow is traveling through or does it realign it along the global axis?

[hollow parrot]

It preserves it

Also works exactly like a portal

[frank minnow]

wait hold on i may be misunderstanding

on like a vertical rune?

[hollow parrot]

Turret adjacent to a chest containing the scroll casts

[hollow parrot]

You can also adjust the direction the machine faces, but that would take too long for Pvp

[hollow parrot]

So yeah, that's the most feasible implementation. A trap set whilst retreating or in a designated area

[frank minnow]

i kind of want to see about implementing this as a boss killer in my current world because short of the scrolls for targeting it doesn't seem super resource intensive

wonder how it would work mounted on a VS2 ship...

underslung antipersonnel railgun

actually if you went with a manually aimed version on a clockwork ship turret

it would still probably be massive but you wouldn't need the 100 meter long portal barrel

[hollow parrot]

Again, solves that issue

[frank minnow]

it's been a long night I'll understand after some sleep

[hollow parrot]

It could, technically.
But my designs tend to be very boxy

Oh yeah, timezones. It's 2pm for me

[hollow parrot]

Then I'll send you a screenshot in about 8 hours

[frank minnow]

oh it's 8am for me

[hollow parrot]

So you can see for yourself

[frank minnow]

I just work night shift

[hollow parrot]

Ah

[frank minnow]

I'm omw home send me em whenever

[hollow parrot]

Then in 8 hours, when I've somewhat finished the design

[hollow parrot]

So... It took me a while, but the base is mostly done

On the sides we can see the clocks which load the spell batteries (at the top and bottom).
The centre is reserved for the arrow-loader and the chamber of the cannon.

One of the clocks - Casts a selected number of spells

A spell battery - Holds up to 30 spells to be released with a piston

The chamber - The released spells explode, propelling the arrows

[frank minnow]

good reading for tonight...

[lapis sapphire]

You are a madman

And i love it

[tacit merlin]

i love the spell battery actually being used :D

[frank minnow]

if you did a video on this it would go crazy

[tacit merlin]

i MIGHT make a video if i ever decide to make a yt chanel

become the cubic metre for ars

lol

[hollow parrot]

Of course! It's just too cool to not include.

Also, it would cost a lot more resources and redstone to have 30 turrets shoot into a portal.
.

Now I just need to connect and time all of the relays + add the enchanter's eyes

[mortal nexus]

Wouldn't that be better described as a spell capacitor, as it assumedly takes time to charge and releases everything in a short, high energy burst?

Also this is so incredibly impressive

[sinful yew]

Artillery battery, not energy battery

[hollow parrot]

Yep. Also called it by that name some time ago. But Spell Battery was more catchy

[mortal nexus]

Fair on both counts

[tacit merlin]

fun fact: it started out as a spell capacitor

[hollow parrot]

Tomorrow I'll get to work on the redstone part of the build

[stuck jewel]

Maybe using aoe would actually work better than amplify

[frank minnow]

? for what purpose?

also aoe doesn't increase the damage of the explosion just makes it larger

so the force it imparts on an arrow wouldn't increase would just affect arrows farther away which is not useful here

[hollow parrot]

False assumption for both of you

[hollow parrot]

I'm already using aoe for instead of amplify

[frank minnow]

Oh? I had no idea.

i need to read this whole damn thread to catch up i'm missing fundamentals

[hollow parrot]

The force of the explosion doesn't depend on the damage, more so on the radius of the explosion

Now that I've had a look I no longer understand the difference between amplify and aoe
.

One is meant to do more damage while the other increases the radius.
.

But if you have a look at the formula it's all just power

The damage and velocity only depend on the power and the distance to the target

[hollow parrot]

How can they be different?!

[tacit merlin]

well: aoe just makes it bigger, amplify makes it more powerful. while they both do share the same formula increase by just making it the explosion so powerful one increases size without much increase to power and one increases power with little to no increase to size

[hollow parrot]

But the size of the explosion, the radius, equals 2*power

It's power all the way down

[tacit merlin]

explosions have a ton of variables you can change including but not limited to power, radius, particle & particle size

[hollow parrot]

I mean, according to the wiki the radius and explosion strength are completely proportional
Except if the mod changes that
.

Else, I could only imagine that amplify summons a second explosion to increase the damage

[mortal nexus]

Is blast power (damage to blocks) also proportional?

Because wither explosions destroy strong blocks but definitely aren't larger than like a bed explosion

[hollow parrot]

Theoretically yes

[mortal nexus]

Okay here's my theory

AoE affects the intensity of the rays

So they pass through more blocks and explode more?

Hm, I'm actually not sure if that logically tracks

Because explosions aren't like a sphere of destruction, rather, they shoot a bunch of rays outward from the center point. Each ray is given a random intensity, and if a ray's intensity is reduced to 0 as it degrades over time and passes through blocks which degrade it further, it ends, which is why we see explosions making those jagged holes

But that still wouldn't cover the crux of the issue, which is that the explosion power must increase to increase the area of effect

UNLESS amplify provides bonus damage and blast power as a separate variable?

[tacit merlin]

nah youre all wrong its just black magic

[stuck jewel]

Would this technically be possible in 1.16.5 too?

[frank minnow]

i don't see why it wouldn't be

actually no

it uses burst I think

nvm I lied

[stuck jewel]

Irmts nit possible in 1.16.5?

[tacit merlin]

like 98% of these wont be possible in 1.16.5

[oak musk]

Reading through this thread is just insanity. I’d love to actually know how to enact this stupid plan, but my brain isn’t understanding anything.

[lapis sapphire]

Thats why we have @hollow parrot

[hollow parrot]

I mean, do you have turrets, blink and spell prisms?

[stuck jewel]

I guess you could get turrets

But what are spell prisms?

[hollow parrot]

These white blocks
#1220479731401756772 message

They redirect spells that hit them

It is possible without them, but the cost would increase as you need more turrets and the redstone would need to change

[keen sail]

Prisms definitely existed in 1.16. we used them in our WARPS hub

[hollow parrot]

So I'm having a little bit of an issue with

For now I'm using to tp the arrows

But it only tps 3 batches of 6 arrows each, which really isn't much

Also the arrows are meant to be shot at mach 6, so we can't be waiting 1-3 seconds for the arrows to tp

Anyone got an idea?

[hollow parrot]

On a side note, the explosions stagger as they push each other back.
Adding me be a necessary measure

[marsh rivet]

Warping ritual?

Oh wait week old post.lol

[frank minnow]

more than a week old post

this thread is oooold

but still alive!

[hollow parrot]

Oh, haven't heard of that yet.

[marsh rivet]

Its quite cheap iirc. Give it a try.

[hollow parrot]

Nice

[hollow parrot]

From what I've read it sounds perfect for the job
.

Though another issue I found is warping the arrows just after they've been propelled
.

For now I think I'll use minecrafts buggy behaviour with stuck arrows.
Just means that I'll have to redesign the machine a bit

[gleaming peak]

lets just say

the earth did not win

[hollow parrot]

Lol

It's been some time since I've seen my Bunkerbuster

[lapis sapphire]

Your WHAT

[hollow parrot]

From the Arrow Cannon Archive

[lapis sapphire]

Oo

[hollow parrot]

Here: #1237032308197031956 message

[tacit merlin]

i've been having a severe case of the thinks recently, do armor stand with reactive armor work? and what exactly are the mechanics that trigger reactive, is it hits? is it damage? is it something else? bcz surely we can use like an arrow stasis chamber + a portal with an armor stand that has a reactive armor piece and cause a remote nuke wherever

[hollow parrot]

Hmm

That sounds interesting

I suppose reactive 🏹 would be best for a nuke

Or we could try to cheese it and have a gattling that triggers on the armour, casting even more gatlings

[mortal nexus]

Reactive armor stands could make for a really cool moving shooting gallery mini game too

[frank minnow]

I wouldn't think it does since i don't think the reactive armor knows where tod raw mana from on a stand

[sinful yew]

This would ideally make it into Neg as a different glyph, the mentioned Momentum, if I can manage to adjust it

But apparently the look vector really impact how much the acceleration gain is

Since by testing with the entity movement vector, I get very weird results

Mostly big jumps, almost never big leaps even while running

It's a T3 with higher cost to balance the potential power, as the "leap power up" version was too strong

But now I feel it's too hard to use

When I get back to it, I could try to let momentum change the speed vector orientation to the look vector, but keeping the same power. It's a bit complex vector theory so not sure it's viable.

Otherwise it's just the same leap accelerate of that demo jar, but with more control on auments and cost

[hollow parrot]

Nice

[brave estuary]

I've got a really stupid idea

Ars spells are entities, right?

You can make a dummy hold a book with "self - limitless - extend time"

And throw wrath of god at it for a few minutes

Theoretically, you should accumulate enough explosions to launch shit far

[hollow parrot]

Well... What exactly does limitless do?

[brave estuary]

slow down entities that are trying to reach you

[hollow parrot]

Then yes

You could stack the projectiles as long as it doesn't crash your pc

[brave estuary]

Try it

Please

[hollow parrot]

Can't

[brave estuary]

(i can't, writing from phone rn)

[brave estuary]

🐟

[hollow parrot]

Also I don't have that addon

[brave estuary]

Make a test world

I have like 5 modpacks where I just try shit out

[hollow parrot]

Also also, spell prisms aka. spell capacitors already exist

[brave estuary]

Aren't they limited to one spell at a time?

[hollow parrot]

Nope

That's how I made this beauty
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[hollow parrot]

Although you'd need a large platform to catch all the projectiles

[arctic glen]

do spells go through portals

[tacit merlin]

no

i think

[hollow parrot]

Should

So this should also be possible with portals

Which also have the advantage of being BIG

[keen sail]

Yes they do

[frank minnow]

God I love this fucking thing

[arctic glen]

does that mean all the spells are cast together?

[hollow parrot]

Depends

Usually not since they don't enter at the same time, creating a chain rather than a dense point

Also, if, for example, the projectiles contain one will explode after another, although they're all within the same point

would solve that, but that would actively disable the destruction

[arctic glen]

so does that mean that effectively, the explosion isn't affected by the delay

[brave estuary]

Is there any other way to catch spells?

I thought of using gojo from Jujutsu craft, but jjc often fucks shit up

[hollow parrot]

Oh. Hey pointy

[brave estuary]

Hey

[hollow parrot]

You can use prisms and portals

Warp scrolls with are an option, but not a good one

[brave estuary]

Hold up

Does wrath of god even push arrows?

[hollow parrot]

It does

It casts explosions, which indeed push arrows

[brave estuary]

And it needs to land in order to multiply projectiles
I think #1222573197619101728 with explosions would be better, no?

[hollow parrot]

The problem for the arrowcanon is the machine itself not the spells

[brave estuary]

I mean

[hollow parrot]

Like, how do we transport the arrows?
How does the user select where and in which direction the arrows are shot?

[brave estuary]

Holup

https://tenor.com/view/let-me-cook-let-him-cook-hes-cooking-hollup-let-him-cook-hollup-let-me-cook-gif-27589225

Let me think

[hollow parrot]

We could solve this. But I kinda abandoned that project

[brave estuary]

@hollow parrot Spells are entities, right?

So theoretically

You could just make a stasis chamber with some water

Throw like 20 arrows in here

And spam explosion spells until your pc starts smoking

[hollow parrot]

That IS what I was doing

[hollow parrot]

But adding a delay

[brave estuary]

Why

[hollow parrot]

Well...

[brave estuary]

If you're making a stasis chamber, they will explode at the same time anyway

[hollow parrot]

First off, the spell projectiles aren't affected by stuff like water or spider webs

So a stasis chamber isn't possible, although we have 2 alternatives

[brave estuary]

How do you catch them then?

[brave estuary]

What about the limitless plan?

[hollow parrot]

The spell capacitor or just a portal loop

And secondly, when the spells explode they push the other projectiles within the same tick

So you need to let all of the projectiles impact at the same time, without being flung around

[brave estuary]

Da fuck

[hollow parrot]

Yep

[brave estuary]

Shouldn't they just set speed?

[hollow parrot]

The same happens with regular tnt

[brave estuary]

I love Java

[hollow parrot]

Yee

[brave estuary]

@hollow parrot install Jujutsu craft and try to shoot Gojo with a projectile spell 👍

[hollow parrot]

Hmm

Currently I have some other stuff to worry about

[arctic glen]

i thought he meants ars trinkets limitless lol

[hollow parrot]

University being one

Then a project with Lava

[brave estuary]

That works too
Probably
I don't know
I only tested Gojo

[hollow parrot]

And some stuff I'm doing in Space Engineers

[brave estuary]

Man, studying is a bitch, isn't it

https://tenor.com/view/hollow-knight-hollow-knight-breakdance-gif-4991443249772973911

[hollow parrot]

A thicc one

[brave estuary]

Ayo?

[arctic glen]

oh? may i inquire

[brave estuary]

Probably something like this, but worse

[arctic glen]

you mean better

[brave estuary]

Btw

Can you please test?

My prism launcher decided to shit itself

So I uhh

Kinda can't join.

[brave estuary]

@arctic glen

[arctic glen]

a dummy? you can make it hold anything but that wwon't make it right click the book

[brave estuary]

Limitless should theoretically be an effect

[hollow parrot]

Sure

[brave estuary]

Like other ars trinkets spells

So /effect give maybe?

[hollow parrot]

@lapis sapphire A little peek

[hollow parrot]

How about reactive on the armor?

[brave estuary]

What the fuck

Are you trying to organize glyphs into categories?

[brave estuary]

@arctic glen yeah I think that will work

[arctic glen]

y'all making an addon?!

[hollow parrot]

Who's talking about addon?

[arctic glen]

mod!?!

[brave estuary]

???

[hollow parrot]

Well... I'm gonna learn some java in Uni so we'll try

[brave estuary]

I'm going to drink for your soul in advance

[arctic glen]

niceee

[frank minnow]

writing a mod isn't hard, designing and making a good one is

[mortal nexus]

I'd like to point out that
Wrath of God is a shit option for accelerating arrows due to its high variance of explosion position

[frank minnow]

wrath of god has probably been genericized to just mean "a shitload of explosions" which is unfortunate

[north bison]

Does amplify on explosion affect the knockback of the arrow?

[keen sail]

So many "reactors"

[frank minnow]

short answer is yes
long answer is it's complicated
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read up and down from this point

shoutout to discord search not giving the option to search within a thread

what a dogshit app

[north bison]

Alright, thanks.

[brave estuary]

It's just the first explosion spell that came to mind
Later on I mentioned using #1222573197619101728 with explosions.

[warm mantle]

Too much spread, wouldn't fit.

[brave estuary]

Do you seriously think I have any idea what I'm doing?
I just went "haha funny Gojo spell stasis chamber"

[warm mantle]

That gives an idea…

[brave estuary]

Hmm?

[warm mantle]

Use elemental's prism lenses, specifically accelerate. Hypersonic spells.

Build a loop, and you've got a laser.

[sinful yew]

Keep in mind acceleration via prism has limits due to hyperspeed projectiles skipping blocks

[warm mantle]

And if you're inputting a heavily spell into those accelerating prisms?

[frank minnow]

you eventually run into the issue we had with warp portals catching spell projectiles

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[brave estuary]

what if you add multiple layers marked to the same spot?

[frank minnow]

as stated in the following messages from the one I linked, it works up to te arrows terminal velocity of 100b/s

actually - forgive me if this has already been gone over, but couldn't this behaviour used to selectively loose arrows once they reach a certain velocity?

use a paired set of warp portals to accelerate an arrow to a given velocity, and then a third "barrel" portal for when the arrow gets too fast to be caught by the first

this setup would make it easier to align arrows (or other entities) before firing them since as much time can pass between the creation of the arrow entity in the world and its insertion into the "accelerator" as necessary

@hollow parrot food for thought when you wake up

[hollow parrot]

Well. I love the idea

But it ain't practical

[frank minnow]

the implementation isn't as important as the idea at its core to me

[hollow parrot]

Or if I explain myself a bit, very very hard to do right

The problem isn't that arrows speed up and all of that

It's that ideally we'd have horizontally flying arrows, but it's hard to accelerate them in a portal chamber, since you know GRAVITY

.
Also, just accelerating arrows in itself is very difficult. So that's why I decided to store the projectiles to trigger at the same time

[frank minnow]

well, then the problem is converting that downward velocity into horizontal velocity

which surely can't be that difficult

[hollow parrot]

It's easier to have the arrows sitting in one point and being accelerated in one instant, than having them move all around while trying to accelerate them

[hollow parrot]

Basically impossible as far as I know

[frank minnow]

I wonder if you can consistently get the speed of an arrow released from an accelerator tuned a certain way, have it trigger a tripwire which activates a source of horizontal momentum (i.e an explosion) as the arrow falls next to it

it would depend on being able to consistently set up the arrows initially with a shitload of precision

[hollow parrot]

And what would THAT do?

Slightly push an incredibly fast falling arrow?

You DON'T need the downwards momentum

[frank minnow]

but the downwards momentum will add damage

i'm not thinking of this as a traditional "cannon"

more like a spear of longinus evangelion style

[hollow parrot]

Yet it's much easier to add more projectiles - more explosions to add more horizontal velocity

[frank minnow]

to kill an immobilized target

[hollow parrot]

Also. You can't consistently "push" arrows that are moving within the portal chamber

Since their position isn't constant

[frank minnow]

you don't push them while they're in the accelerator

you push them after they leave

[hollow parrot]

And the acceleration given from explosions, force and direction, depend on the relative position

Okay

So one last reason that negates your idea

TERMINAL VELOCITY

[frank minnow]

behold my masterpiece

[hollow parrot]

Your proposal is based on the idea of freely accelerating arrows through gravity.
But the high friction means that the arrows are only accelerated to 100 m/s

That translates to 10dmg or 5 hearts

Which is nothing compared to the +4 km/s that we can easily get through horizontal acceleration method

[frank minnow]

yeah fair enough

damn you friction

[hollow parrot]

Truly a pain in the arse

My first designs also included gravitational acceleration. But I was quickly reminded of the terminal velocity

[frank minnow]

so right now the main barrier to execution for the most recent stable design is the super long portal barrel

as I understand it?

[hollow parrot]

Eh nope

No portal barrel

We're just accelerating the arrows all at once

And teleporting them in the same frame to the destination

[hollow parrot]

Or what's simpler, just sticking them in a fence, letting the projectiles explode, and then using blink on them

[frank minnow]

@terse sand as far as I understand yes

it works kind of like a claymore

but i haven't tried actually assembling one and i'm not sure it has been done

i think there were some issues with blinking a large amount of the arrows at once iirc? but i'm fuzzy on the details and haven't actually done any in-game experimentation in ages

[hollow parrot]

Yeah. Linger and wall have a cap. And burst refuses to trigger on arrows

Portals, well, are position dependent. Which tends not to mix well with projectiles going multiple times over the sound barrier

[frank minnow]

I mean, more than 1 arrow won't hit a given entity in the same tick anyway

it's a better problem to have than having trouble accelerating the arrows

did you ever end up building a functional prototype?

[tacit merlin]

wait

have we tried domain limitless?

to stop it

wait no that sets the velocity to 0

though...

we could maybe pull some shenanigans

would a domain with limitless rewind work to stop it in place but keep its momentum?

or at that point just domain rewind

[hollow parrot]

Ehm...

No?

I had A prototype

But I'm pretty sure I lost that world when my laptop broke

[terse sand]

There's way to set project velocity to 0???

[tacit merlin]

limitless from ars plus

[terse sand]

thx, I'll check that

[hollow parrot]

New Discovery!

Addon making it possible to warp to a specific entity
[source](#1300709940536541205 message)

We could warp a bunch of arrows through that prism and right to the caster

They may die, but it's a small cost to launch the railgun

[cyan heron]

it sitll only warps spell projectiles

so youll have to cast blink or something

[hollow parrot]

Fuck

Hmm

Can't use blink

Cuz blink warps from the target to a scroll's location

Hmm

The arrows would have to cast blink

[cyan heron]

you might be able to an empty scroll through the prism

[hollow parrot]

A turret casting 🏹?

Usually the turret is considered the caster, but blink is weird

[hollow parrot]

Potentially

[cyan heron]

actually probably not cos no sneak

[sinful yew]

since : 1.20 - 4.12.6

and
1.21.1 - 5.2.3:
Adds a whitelist tag for Burst, Burst can now target Bubble and Arrow entities

[empty stirrup]

what if

u used to accelerate the arrow

[hollow parrot]

No~

[empty stirrup]

why not

[hollow parrot]

First off

would spawn an explosion at the arrow's "feet", launching it upwards

[empty stirrup]

hm

[hollow parrot]

would spawn an explosion at every block within the zone, propelling the arrow in a very difficult to predict direction

[empty stirrup]

what if u summoned it behind the arrow

[hollow parrot]

I usually use one of 2 methods:
1rst: have the arrows in a bubble bath, then launch hundreds of at a block nearby, all at once
2nd: have the arrows stuck in a fence gate, and continously lob hundreds of at a block nearby

.
The main issue was getting the arrows to your target, since its necessary to build a large machine

[empty stirrup]

wdym getting the arrows to ur target

[hollow parrot]

works, but it only launches 6-10 arrows at a time

[hollow parrot]

You have the machine in your base, and give it a warpscroll to blink all the arrows to the destination

[empty stirrup]

oooooooh

warp portals wont work w that I presume

[hollow parrot]

Yeah

Nope

Because the arrows are moving at speeds greater than 300 blocks per second

[empty stirrup]

ic

[hollow parrot]

That means that they pass right through any portal

[empty stirrup]

how does this work again

lobs a bunch of blink projectiles to the arrows?

[hollow parrot]

No no

Targets the arrows directly

If you've got the arrows in water, you cast right before the explosions trigger

If you've got the arrows stuck in a fence, because of an ancient glitch, the arrows retain their speed. So at any time you can cast to teleport them

[empty stirrup]

ic

and that just tp's any arrows that touch the wall?

[hollow parrot]

Yeah

The turret that casts it, needs to be adjacent to a chest containing the warp scroll

Yet, wall has an interaction limit, which I hope doesn't

[nimble bear]

Graph man, you are fucking insane(respectfully)

[empty stirrup]

(he is, I am amazed)

[empty stirrup]

what about linger

[hollow parrot]

I guess it too has an interaction limit

[empty stirrup]

hm

[hollow parrot]

Yet the last time I tested this was half a year ago

[empty stirrup]

hm

[frank minnow]

This got left off at > needs add-ons or other new things to be improved

Right

[hollow parrot]

And at, I gotta do some machine designing

[restive vector]

any spell or set of spells that could accelerate an arrow wherever?

put down a rune that makes an arrow go crazy fast wherever im looking or something

[hollow parrot]

Nope

Not really

The only possibility is shooting up with or shooting in a difficult to predict direction with

[hollow parrot]

As mentioned targets arrows in 1.20.1

I love it

[hollow parrot]

This little machine works deceptively well

I'll need to automate it
But for now what it does is dispense a stack of arrows which land on the prism (3 blocks between dispenser and prism), then the piston retracts dropping the arrows into the water
The piston extends again and the spells are cast on the prism for perfect alinement
First *8
Then

The arrows tend to shoot upwards but with sufficient spread from the center they shoot horizontally, so with this setup they fill the upper half of a sphere

The warp point needs to be 1 block above ground or the arrows will get stuck

[hollow parrot]

Spread inside of a sphere

[hollow parrot]

Shooting 5 stacks of arrows at some Wardens

Showcasing my machine

[hollow parrot]

The average damage of my current machine lies between 500 and 2500 dmg per stack of arrows, since the explosions scale with the amount of entities

But since I use a sole dispenser, the loading time also scales with the amount of stacks + the explosion lag

[arctic glen]

it has been done.

literally over a ***YEAR ***in the making and you did it

[hollow parrot]

Well...

[arctic glen]

?

[hollow parrot]

Another version of it, but yes

[arctic glen]

oh?

hold on what the heck did i miss

[hollow parrot]

I wanted to make it aimable

[arctic glen]

is it not?

[hollow parrot]

So it would should in a direction

No

[arctic glen]

ah, so it's a bomb rn?

[hollow parrot]

Right now it shoots the top half of a sphere

[keen sail]

Circle of death at the target

[hollow parrot]

Like a ring of claymores

[arctic glen]

is it possible to rotate the orientation of the machine to see if that works?

[hollow parrot]

Which is cool, but not ideal for farther ranges

Because of the inverse cube law

[arctic glen]

the wat

[hollow parrot]

The propability of being hit decreases exponentially with the distance

[arctic glen]

oh yea thats just intuitive sense

you can also solve the issue with exponential increase of arrows lol

though

i guess not

depending on how you are teleporting the arrows

[hollow parrot]

Well, you could

[arctic glen]

tps is the bottleneck isn't it?

it usually is

[hollow parrot]

But that would exponentially increase the lag yet also the damage

[arctic glen]

yea

does that work with wind bursts?

[hollow parrot]

Since I'm casting on the arrows

[arctic glen]

instead of explosions

[hollow parrot]

I would suppose

But there could be issues with alignement depending on how you do it

[arctic glen]

it might shoot backwards

[hollow parrot]

XD

[arctic glen]

and at you, depending on how you do the spell

[hollow parrot]

Ah

No worries

It already shoots in all directions

[arctic glen]

im just theorizing because the way wind charges work is a bit weird

[hollow parrot]

You only have the knowledge of imminent death and a vague range of time

[arctic glen]

and i saw a guy who made a teleporting machine in vanilla using wind charges

[hollow parrot]

Lol

[arctic glen]

it even had 2 factor authorization (SOMEHOW)

[hollow parrot]

Oh that

[arctic glen]

among other things

ye

you know

[hollow parrot]

Apparently there's Bluetooth now in minecraft

[arctic glen]

so if you employ that into an arrow cannon

[hollow parrot]

What for?

[arctic glen]

to control trajectory?

[hollow parrot]

We already use items

[arctic glen]

like the spread on it

[hollow parrot]

Ah

But how?

Like using the wind charges or the authorization?

[arctic glen]

charges

LOL not the 2fa

[hollow parrot]

XD

[arctic glen]

shooulda clarified mb

[hollow parrot]

Well we can already use

Also, is there a glyph for wind charges?

[arctic glen]

im not sure and not smart enough to build the cannon myself

uh....

hold on let me double check

[lapis sapphire]

i want to introduce
https://youtu.be/s_TKe16WASY?si=bEnnPo1p3NDOhbDT

would this not work (with heavy modifications)

[lapis sapphire]

affirmative

[hollow parrot]

That's basically what I was aiming at but at a faar lower level

[lapis sapphire]

build a higher level who cares

[hollow parrot]

I care

[lapis sapphire]

fair

[hollow parrot]

I'm the one building it

[lapis sapphire]

to me, aimability is the priority

[hollow parrot]

And I'm not a good builder or redstoner

[hollow parrot]

Also, again, works well enough

[lapis sapphire]

wait

[keen sail]

The main thing is line of sight direction between explosion center and arrow

[lapis sapphire]

could this not be combined with and the concept of https://youtu.be/X7Ah-SJ0vBc?si=q7zLXxF9sXqPw_fc to DIRECT an arrow where you're looking and swap with it

[keen sail]

That wireless stuff though is that weird daylight sensor and comparator thing isn't it?

[lapis sapphire]

No

Its better

I might have smth wrong

but its based on a players look direction deciding where their arrow directs fireballs and wind charges

Technically a system with this is possible for aiming

[hollow parrot]

No idea, just saw it in CubicMetre's video

I believe it used dispensed items

Also, @lapis sapphire, we have fucking Enchanter's Eyes that let us cast through Scry Crystal

[lapis sapphire]

I know

That's what makes it so good

actually just burst exchange

WAIT

SELF COMBUSTION

BUILD

YOUR MACHINE

BUT IN ALL DIRECTIONS

AND CAST BURST EXCHANGE THRU SCRY CRYSTAL

KILL EVERYTHING

[hollow parrot]

I imagine we might be able to encode the direction using differing amounts of items and

[hollow parrot]

Doesn't work

[lapis sapphire]

Damn

[hollow parrot]

I already tested it [here](#1063651803033501736 message)

[lapis sapphire]

arrow teleportation to self is the hardest part atp

[hollow parrot]

Well nah

[lapis sapphire]

well

ye u right

[hollow parrot]

Just have a stack of warp scrolls, send one to base and let the machine cook

I guess I still haven't sent you a video of the new automatic version

.
It uses 2 Enchanter's Eyes to:

• Get the scroll to base and throw out the last, dispens a stack of arrows and start the machine
• Dispens a stack and start the process

The machine needs to wait for all of the arrows to dispens, so you've got until then to add more stacks with the second Eye

-# The dispenser takes about 13 s per stack

[keen sail]

Got it. So just how you deflect ghast fire by hitting it, and it follows your look vector at the moment of hit, that video deflects breeze charges by hitting them with a bouncing player arrow to find the player look vector

Deflecting the breeze charge through a tiny hole in the box to go trigger something when you look at a certain direction

[hollow parrot]

Oh

That's not bad

[keen sail]

But I don't know how well that could be engineered to change the blast chamber for the arrow directions

[hollow parrot]

Well...

We could have a room to measure the direction

Then the chamber adjusts to that

.
Adjusting the chamber could be easier than expected

Just having a set of points along a circle where the projectiles can land, maybe selected by pistons wielding Spell Prisms

Me have Big Brain idea

** To detect the look vector of the player **
The user casts 🏹 with a warpscroll in hand

The arking projectile gets sent to the control room where a set of Projectile-detecting Spell Prisms detect its position relative to the warp point

[keen sail]

Oh that's a fun use of propagate and reset

[hollow parrot]

Yep 😋

The question now is how to make the user not be blinked

[keen sail]

I think arranging the explosions relative to the arrows is still going to be hard to tweak. But also that would be a handy general purpose wireless signalling spell

Does the player get caught in their own burst blink?

[hollow parrot]

Yep

So probably

[keen sail]

Granted it's a t3 spell anyway, and by then you can simply use scry eyes as general wireless commands

[hollow parrot]

But some timing will be required

[hollow parrot]

Yep, but they can only send redstone signals or items

Nothing more complex

[keen sail]

Yes and no

Items can be a lot of information

[hollow parrot]

Well, they point in one direction

[keen sail]

I was toying with the idea of using scry eyes with lecterns for a new WARPS hub. Move your requested destination from one tab to another

[hollow parrot]

I know that, but explain to a new user that they must press F3, copy their look vector to a spreadsheet and then send the specified amount of blocks to base

[keen sail]

It's not exactly helpful for combat obviously though

[hollow parrot]

Cuz that was my original idea

[keen sail]

Could use that breeze idea combined with an eye. Open a door to allow the look vector to be read

Instead of always reading

I think that system wouldn't be able to be super precise regardless since it's not so much a "find angle" as "check if it is any of this list of angles

[hollow parrot]

Wouldn't that require being in a base of sorts?

[keen sail]

The player? You don't have to be nearby. Or even same dim

[hollow parrot]

Oh

I really gotta watch the video

[keen sail]

It's bouncing an arrow on slime forever, which then hits the breeze blast and deflects it like ghast fireballs

[hollow parrot]

Oh

Funny

[keen sail]

And if it happens to exactly fit through a hole in the wall, it can flip a trap door and send a signal

[hollow parrot]

Btw

Arrows bounce on slime??
Wtf

I believe that's not a feature of Bedrock

Or maybe I just never noticed, would be totally possible

[keen sail]

An arrow that isn't moving will disappear after like a minute, but if it's moving it won't despawn. And bouncing it on slime is basically the same as pulling the block back in old 1.5 arrow launchers

[hollow parrot]

Lol

I thought that was only possible with sparkly water

[keen sail]

Water is probably easier. But yeah that system in the video uses slime

Actually if you can keep your arrow in one place with water, it might be easier to deflect the breeze bursts

[hollow parrot]

Does that not happen with slime?

[keen sail]

Slime makes it bounce higher

So with that video, they're bouncing it up and down like 8 blocks

And it's just timed to hit the right height to hit the breeze charge

[hollow parrot]

Oh

Then yes, water is soo much easier

[keen sail]

If you could get it to be just floating in water, but still not despawn, and also able to hit the charges..

Regardless though, you'd still have a few dozen look vectors you could use

[hollow parrot]

It basically stays completely still after some seconds

[keen sail]

Ah. Might despawn then. I haven't worked with arrow physics much

Oh you know what

None of this is needed

Because spell projectiles can deflect ghast fire too, right?

[hollow parrot]

Nope

[hollow parrot]

Pfft, no clue

[keen sail]

So instead, just have the scry eye be projectile (anything), and it flies up into two prisms back and forth

Though that does remove up/down vectors since the charge would hit the prism

Oh I want to play with this idea either way. You could have the prisms further apart and just spam a few of them, eventually it'll hit

And it means anyone can use it, without needing to fire an arrow into the chamber

Still need to take that collection of signals and use that to change how the explosions hit the arrows

But one eye could charge up the arrow dispensers, the other eye spams blank spell projectiles to intercept the breeze charges

I wonder if that can use dispensers, or if it has to be live breeze to be able to deflect

[lapis sapphire]

TMG filter not self

[hollow parrot]

Yeah... I kinda don't want to get my hands dirty with that addon

[keen sail]

I was thinking about using a scry eye to trigger when to look at the look vector and I also realized one could use an incrementer with the scry eye. Maybe not for this use case, but as a way to select something to happen

Click 3 times to get a stack of ender pearls. Click 5 for a teleport home

Have a pulse extender that when it dies, it executes that case you selected

Each time you click to cast a blank projectile spell, it goes through a prism that's watched by observer. To flip between things you want to happen. A one or two second extender on that, and then it executes the option you picked

Won't help here for aiming, but as a way to get your single output redstone signal to be more meaningful without opening a GUI or anything besides just quickly clicking through

One thing I do see on that breeze charge thing. It works to teleport you to different places because you build the full system in every place you want it

Which also only really works in that application because of the ender pearl loading it.

But you could build one and have it do multiple triggers depending where you look. It just doesn't work for the demonstrated purpose of teleports

[hollow parrot]

Casting teleports the block beneath you to the torch and launches it against the wall in the direction you are facing
The block falls along the wall and upon hitting the pressure plate drops as an item

[hollow parrot]

works even better since the blocks don't drop items that take a minute to despawn

I'd make 8 regions, as N, W, E, S, NE, NW, SE and SW, each having 3 pressure plates

[keen sail]

That small of an area, you could also collect with an allay in a jar

[hollow parrot]

yeah

But it works

Oh and it requires the so you might accidentally kill them

Oh also

My idea is to convert those signals to 1 tick signals.

I'll build a long vertical shaft through which the explosive projectiles will be shot through and the signal will push out a Spell Prism to redirect the projectiles towards their destination

[keen sail]

Can't kill an allay in a jar. They're contained

[hollow parrot]

Then a longer signal sent to all pistons can retract the blocks

[hollow parrot]

Lol, I always forget that the jars exist

[keen sail]

I guess you could have arrows on a block in the center, and direct the explosions to be around the outside, and invert the look vector

[hollow parrot]

Yep

Exactly that

The piston would invert the look vector

[keen sail]

Use a portal to collect all the turret explosion spells first so they arrive in sync, you could get the entire system to fire in less than a second

Trying to figure out how to arrange the 3 signals..

Charge the system with arrows,
Get look vector via the thrown block,
Get the arrows to you

What were you using for the blinking the arrows?

Be nice if you could get that signal with the look vector spell

[hollow parrot]

*n

[keen sail]

So you're switching offhand warp scrolls then?

One to blink your tossed block, and another to blink the arrows to you?

[hollow parrot]

For the logic I used this circuit to send a null signal for a while after the dispenser shot its last shot

[hollow parrot]

Well no. I send a warp scroll with an Eye and that starts the whole process
The warp spell gets cast when the dispenser is detected as empty

The warp scroll lands in a dispenser. That way it triggers a comparator which puts a stack of arrows into the dispenser and also removes the last scroll from the chest

[keen sail]

I wonder if rune sensitive leap will throw an item entity

If you drop an item entity into a touch rune sensitive leap, what happens?

The thought is, rune sensitive uses the player. So if rune sensitive leap is able to throw something in the player look vector (maybe a falling sand?) then you can save that blink by just getting the look vector based on where that throws the item or block

Or entity. Drop a mob into the rune with leap or knockback on the rune

[hollow parrot]

It should?

[keen sail]

Rune sensitive leap or rune sensitive knockback. Just trying to think of a way to get the player look vector without needing to send any information through with blink

[hollow parrot]

btw

Is this spread acceptable?

[keen sail]

That's nice!

[hollow parrot]

The simplest design is weirdly the best

This is right below my shaft

This is with 3 blocks between the dispenser and the ground

I fear we won't be able to cover all directions, with this little spread

[keen sail]

It would be pretty easy though to keep a cardinal direction from your target

[hollow parrot]

Nevermind

This is the diagonal spread

As expected, it's longer due to the increased distance between the arrows and the explosions

[keen sail]

Can also double the arrow charge rate btw. Have a sticky piston push the observer in place

[hollow parrot]

Adding soulsand to the center makes the arrows fly much straighter

Just add a sign to prevent the bubbling

[hollow parrot]

Huh?

[keen sail]

The two observers powering your dispenser. Use a sticky piston to push one out of place and back into place when there's arrows in the inventory

[hollow parrot]

Why?

[keen sail]

When a player places an observer, the two clocks are in sync I guess? But with a piston pushing it into place, they go twice as fast

[hollow parrot]

Oh

Nice

[keen sail]

Or actually it's that the observer that is pushed pulses the instant it finishes moving. So that triggers the other observer which already pulsed because it saw the observer move into place the tick before

Whereas when just placed, it's just the "hey, a block was placed in front of me!" Signal bouncing back and forth

But with piston, it's both "hey there's a block" and "this block pulsed"

[hollow parrot]

Hmm

It doesn't seem to work for me

It takes about 20 sec for a full stack

Which is more than the 13 sec that the wiki told me

[keen sail]

Hmm.. odd. The piston pushing observer into place should work.. odd that it wouldn't.

Does rune sensitive toss cause an item to get thrown at your look vector?

Trying to see about getting the whole firing sequence with a single spell cast. Maybe two for dispensing arrows and then firing

[hollow parrot]

Nope, just shoots up

Still, couldn't you cast ?

Oh

XD

That won't work

?

[keen sail]

The problem is trying to get it to be just one cast. But we need to get the look vector information to the system, and also get the arrows blinked back to "us"

"Us" meaning either a warp scroll at a place near the player, or the player directly

Toss isn't needed if you're blinking the thrown ice blocks. Toss just grabs your first hotbar slot

[hollow parrot]

Player directly won't be possible

But toss will be able to pass a scroll

[keen sail]

Hmm. There was something a while ago. Someone wanted a way to have someone adventuring have someone teleported to them. Let me find that

[hollow parrot]

That used a sensitive rune + exchange

Or?

Hmm

[keen sail]

But specifically if I recall, the player who was out adventuring swapped places, but also immediately in that same tick teleported back to where they were

[hollow parrot]

?