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[queen charm]

as far as I understand, yeah

haven't tested it though

[long sorrel]

https://tenor.com/view/excellent-happy-mr-burns-simpsons-satisfied-gif-16091269

[queen charm]

decoy propagation is an ancient and tempting art

check out #1258240326032818207

[long sorrel]

thats where i got the clone spell from 😅

didn't know if there was a better one... but so far its alot of fun

[queen charm]

there's some theorycrafting further in the thread but no real generational improvements

[long sorrel]

my brothers using pneumaticraft.. and he can find me cause i'm the only one he cant hack🤣

[queen charm]

pft

the latest decoyspam spell i've been having fun with was

let me double check

or some variation of it

could have also been ...

it was in a bit of a haze

[blazing heath]

I did this once

No clue how

[long sorrel]

it would appear we found a method

[blazing heath]

I think it was basically burst sensitive aoe conjure water reset burst sensitive aoe dampen freeze

[blazing heath]

Or similar

[long sorrel]

i just dunno if the water stays in a sphere... or goes everywhere

[queen charm]

probably goes everywhere

since it makes source blocks

[blazing heath]

Yeaaa

[queen charm]

would be hard to keep it a sphere unless you encased it in glass or something

[long sorrel]

the sadness

[queen charm]

its dampen that hollows a burst right

[long sorrel]

maybe a burst... bigger aoe(than the water.. hollow(sensative in the burst?... mage block after?

[queen charm]

fuck

no room for a form

[long sorrel]

wand?

[queen charm]

if you hit them directly sure

[long sorrel]

😅

[queen charm]

stick it on a spell crossbow

to hit 'em easier

[long sorrel]

🤣

doesn't one of the enchanters items apply touch?

[queen charm]

this should make a hollow glass sphere, fill it with water and snare them inside it

[long sorrel]

touch was my goal anyways

[queen charm]

but since its an unbuffed burst it'll prob be a small sphere

[long sorrel]

fair

[queen charm]

probably? I wouldn't use this at close range though

or you get fishbowled too

[long sorrel]

what about using the ice trick?

[queen charm]

ice trick?

[long sorrel]

where a melted ice block turns into a water source but doesn't spread

or someting

[queen charm]

would be hard to melt a bunch of ice quickly enough to achieve the desired effect

[long sorrel]

smelt?

[queen charm]

what would happen is the target just clips out of solid ice blocks I think

[long sorrel]

i'm thinking same spell...

[queen charm]

or suffocates in em

[long sorrel]

instead of the glass build bit

[queen charm]

the glass portion is mostly for aesthetics

could do it with place block if you have glass in the hotbar

or mageblocks if you don't want the shell to be transparent

[long sorrel]

i know, its what got me wondering about the ice melting idea

[queen charm]

could replace the glass sequence with

and the ice shell will eventually melt into water

trapping the non-block updatable water inside in a shell of nonspreading water

[long sorrel]

that could work... would it work on a rune u think?

[queen charm]

though- hm

[long sorrel]

effectivly i mean

[queen charm]

would ice melting not update nearby source blocks?

making it cascade anyway

[long sorrel]

sounds like i have some testing to do

[queen charm]

i mean as far as effectiveness goes i wouldn't really consider a spell like this anyway

but as far as it can be effective i don't see why it wouldn't be

[long sorrel]

?

more ment, trigger properly, right sphere location etc...

off the rune i mean

i't'll probably be a for funsies spell anyways

any idea pn the interaction of sweeping edge, and a spell on the enchanters sword?

[long sorrel]

could i use the reliquary to mark a player, than cast a spell on them whenever?

[turbid light]

-# I know I know, I'm late to the party, but I have an idea
Try using

Or you could replace with if you wanna bury them in obsidian

[long sorrel]

mainly want to recreate the water prison jutsu from naruto... just without the flowing water

nut i think it needs too many glyphs... i'd need a custom book i think

[long sorrel]

assuming my glyph limit is 20...
work right?

[long sorrel]

is there a such thing as a charge up spell? or pseudo charge up?

[fervent hawk]

no

[long sorrel]

sadness

i think then i'll end with a lightning strike

if i put a reset after an extend time, will it wait the that extended glyph finishes and the reset, or can i get things to trigger
[assuming my glyph limit is 20...]

will the lighting strike while the target is snared or after its free?

[queen charm]

looks about right to me

though i'd use watery grave in place of snare

[long sorrel]

i don't think i'm doing this right, i have the summoning focus, and i'm using pop homing but clones wont fire...

[queen charm]

Clones only copy spells that start with the self form iirc

[turbid light]

Have you tried mine?
Cuz I tested it and it does create an ice bubble full of water. Just not a particularly big one

[long sorrel]

I had not

[zealous vine]

so, in 1.20.1 is basically a very expensive way to set one target on fire, discuss

context: I made this, fired it into a crowd of endermen and set one enderman on fire

[proud kindle]

Not really anything to “discuss”, that’s just the way the glyphs work in that combination

[long sorrel]

Is there a good rule of thumb for determining when/if to use sensative?

[fervent hawk]

do you want to target something that the spell doesn't normally hit, like say an air block?

for forms and subforms that's the usual rule

can touch air blocks. can hit blocks that don't have collision. Most of the subforms only target entities by default, so can hit blocks

[long sorrel]

Does it also function with the propagate runes?

My gut says yes, but since I just got my first prop glyph last night before bed, I have yet to test

[long sorrel]

I was originally trying to encase them in a ball of water... but it buckets the water... 😳 wait would ... do something 🤔

[turbid light]

*sensitive on burst

Also, that won't work

Btw, what are you trying to do?

Cuz that will just create a ball of ice, then attempt to place water but fail, and then remove an inner chunk of the ice ball

.
Btw, creates a hollow sphere

[proud kindle]

should do what you’re looking for

[long sorrel]

If you've seen naruto, I'm trying to recreate the water prison move zabuza uses, early episode

So I was originally trying to use the ice so I could maybe melt it and be left with the non updated water source blocks 😅 but I quickly found out/realized why it wouldn't work 🤔 then the ice prison was just neat 😅

[turbid light]

Yet this already works

The delay allows the water to expand, filling the core of the sphere with water

[long sorrel]

The ice isn't quite what I'm looking for tho

It's a neat detour I made but 🤷‍♂️

I do plan to put that in my binder tho 😅

[turbid light]

So you want a perfect water sphere?

[long sorrel]

Basically

[turbid light]

Without a wall?

Hmm

That's tough

[long sorrel]

And without the flow

[turbid light]

The only possibility is to use a transparent block

[long sorrel]

I'm kinda treating is as my yellow polka dot bikini tbh

[turbid light]

Like glass panels

Or maybe string 🤔

[long sorrel]

I thought about that too, we theory crafted using conjure terrain, crush, smelt to make glass 🤷‍♂️

String could be a neat method 🤔 I'd need plenty to make it work

[proud kindle]

If you conjure water, it’s going to flow like any other water source would, so you HAVE to encase it in SOMEthing to keep the sphere

[turbid light]

Yep

[long sorrel]

That's what I realized and why I wanted to try using the ice... and melting it, but A it creates packed/blue ice if the sphere is small enough and 2 I couldn't outright melt the ice 🫤

[turbid light]

That's what I'm on about

[turbid light]

It would still flow afterwards

[long sorrel]

The string idea seems like it'd accomplish my end goal though

[turbid light]

Y'know you can use

[long sorrel]

I thought there was a thing in vanilla mc about melted ice doesn't flow till its updated

[long sorrel]

Yes but at that time we were focusing on magic only 🤷‍♂️

[long sorrel]

It's spells for clones right o.O or is prop homing not a valid option?

[long sorrel]

Is it possible to fo like half a burst?

[long sorrel]

Does also show what a looks like? I've only used it with the place block, Obsidian Cannon 😅

[turbid light]

Go read the description of the

[long sorrel]

Shoot I knew I goofed something 😅 the propagate should be fine then? I thought that's what was messing it up😋

[long sorrel]

ngl i found out that i can cast spells through an iron spells portal i geeked hard... however i still haven't found a good practical use 🤔

in case anyone else has both mods and didnt know 👆

[lean rivet]

You can do that with warpscroll portals as well.

And I use it for mining setups. Bind scroll, send it home using the index, watch a chunk get deleted all the way down to bedrock.

[long sorrel]

I was using a "Crossbow of 'F' that particular direction"... and caused alot of lag 😅

[lean rivet]

I have one of those as well, though not a crossbow. Once again portal setup.

Will destroy just about anything in that general direction.

[long sorrel]

i think if i go that big i'll loose friends 😅 lol jkjk

based on there reactions to the crossbow of course

[lean rivet]

Do it for mining instead.

It's a great way to mine lots.

Can feed right into your processing facility.

[long sorrel]

fair

is the only difference between a sensative rune... and a regular rune the glyph?

[lean rivet]

What do you mean?

Sensitive makes it so the rune uses your inventory, not something nearby, was that what the question was related to?

[long sorrel]

i think so i was trying to follow a build and it mentioned making a sensative rune, i assumed they just ment make a rune with the sensative glyph not that there was a different type of rune itself

but wanted to make sure

[lean rivet]

Yeah, a sensitive rune is just .

[long sorrel]

on an unrelated not whenever i fire my homeing spell it will hit 1 mob... then the rest all zip to that spot

am i doing something wrong?

[lean rivet]

Probably but I have no idea what, would need to see it.

The spell I mean.

[long sorrel]

would something like prop homeing only target players?

[long sorrel]

so if i want to use the heal iframe skip i need the kindling III and fire foci right?

[proud kindle]

Which version are you in?

[long sorrel]

1.21?

[proud kindle]

If you’re in 1.21.1 the iframe skip requires the admin to enable the glyph that specifically does the skip.

It changed in the jump from 1.20.1 to 1.21.1

[long sorrel]

which glyph? i'm the admin 😅

[lean rivet]

There's a config setting, if you change it will become available.

I think that's how it worked anyways.

[long sorrel]

i had the reset glyph while it was false... i thought that just rest spell position

so i'm trying to make this work
[overhead]⛓️[prop_homing]

[flint idol]

It's not reset

[long sorrel]

i found the glyph looks fune to make 😅

[flint idol]

Reset is a different thing which changes targeting context. It's like obliterate or something like that. Can't remember the name

[long sorrel]

the game tells me i need a reset between the aoe, and and the chain will that mess things up?

[flint idol]

Reset is not involved in this

[long sorrel]

i know its not involved in the iframe skip i found the right glyph

i'm trying to make a spell work and i had questions about an interaction due to the new glyph

[flint idol]

Reset changes the target context.

It's kind of a weird meta-data glyph. So I'll walk through a spell with it.

Projectile burst aoe dampen sensitive mageblock reset place block ignite.

Just came up with this on the top of my head, so I'll try to describe what I think it should do.

Projectile hits the ground. Or maybe a mob. Let's say ground next to a mob. That block it hit is the current target

That block is the target. It creates a big hollow sphere (burst aoe sensitive dampen) and the blocks of the outside of that sphere are the new target. It conjures mage blocks there. Encasing the area

Reset changes the spell context back to the original block it hit

Then places a block (tnt of course, from the hotbar). And ignites it

So you hit next to a mob, it cases them in, and lights a single TNT next to them to explode

I think in practice it would be difficult to use this spell of course. If you do hit the mob, I'm pretty sure it can't place the TNT on that mob, so instead would just light them on fire inside their temporary bubble of mage blocks

[long sorrel]

right am i right in thinking that for this spell
[overhead]⛓️[prop_homing] putting a reset between the aoe and chain would prevent the original idea?

if i understand reset i mean

[flint idol]

I believe so yes. You'd basically create your big sphere of target context. Then go back to the overhead context instead, having done nothing with that burst area

[long sorrel]

specifically i'm thinking it'd effectivly create
[overhead] | ⛓️[prop_homing] 2 seperate spells?

[flint idol]

And I don't know exactly what overhead context is, it might target the air block above your head? In which case the chaining would then target 16 air blocks in a rough sphere shape and create homing projectiles in each one

Overhead burst sensitive AOE and then also an overhead chaining prop homing

Since it would reset to the overhead context

If overhead is actually targeting you, instead of the air block, then it would chain to other entities around you. I think it uses any living entity, so maybe mobs, passive mobs, etc

[long sorrel]

🤔 so it seems like chaining is the issue here i can't have burst, wall, linger, and chaining in the same spell

[flint idol]

Yeah I know we don't allow wall, burst, linger to work together. Chaining was allowed for a while, but good to know it's not anymore

[long sorrel]

so i've not used chaining much, but between wall and chaining which outfires which?

from what ive seen of wall, as a clone spell it gets kinda crazy

[flint idol]

Chaining is 16 blocks +16 per aoe

Or 8 mobs +8 per AOE

Projectile chaining aoe 3 break pickup is basically a full stack veinminer

I honestly have never looked at the actual count of blocks with wall. But it does effectively cast 3 times as well

So probably safe to assume more block spaces are targeted with wall than chaining alone

[long sorrel]

i'm thinking wall the shotty is always a good friend

[blazing heath]

i havent used it but could this be good for #1220479731401756772

[long sorrel]

as far as i can tell it maintains speen, and trajectory through the portal so if that helps out than possibly

[turbid light]

Spell projectiles can already go through warp portals

So no gain there ¯_(ツ)_/¯

Also

We try to limit it to base ars

[blazing heath]

Idk how portable iron's portals are but ars ones sure ain't

[turbid light]

Well...

You can just send a warp scroll to your base

With a caster's eye that triggers a onto a hopper

[long sorrel]

2 blocks tall, 50 block distance (legendary), no LoS needed 🤷‍♂️

[fervent hawk]

they can, they just can't cross dimensions

[long sorrel]

Neat spell, sure it's got fun Interactions I just don't know em 😅

I need to build a warp gate network 🫤

[long sorrel]

And like a turret to create a portal 🤔

Sorry about the ping mb

[long sorrel]

In theory I could setup something like and "walk through" a wall... right

[turbid light]

requires to target blocks

Same as the burst

doesn't require unless you're trying to walk through obsidian or equivalent

is no longer a form, so you would need to put this on a mirror or add at the start

[turbid light]

.
That aside, yes it should work
But I would prefer using as it would only temporarily make a hole in the wall

[long sorrel]

I usually do... but I'm exploring the bumblezone and the wife eats the comb block 😅

Good to know about the sensitive, and idk I usually just default to the 1 amp 😅 if I use break

[blazing heath]

correction,

[long sorrel]

Just curious about the intuitiveness of some spells 🫤
If I did something like
Would it cut off half the sphere? Or just have a wall in the center?

My gut instinct is that it'd have a vertical wall, splitting the sphere, internally🤔 (not 💯 on if I even theory crafted that right)

But glyph syntaxes aside the question is what happens to the sphere if you bisected it with a wall (or floor preferably)

[queen charm]

The portions of the wall that clip with the sphere would fizzle out (or activate if they're meant to when hitting terrain)

The bits of the wall outside the sphere if any, would cast as normal

Oh wait I misread

answers the same anywau

[long sorrel]

If the wall is cast first, in the spell, I'd only get a half sphere?

[turbid light]

No

Both would activate at the same time

So you would have a sphere with a wall in the middle

If you didn't mess up the syntax

Always remember: modifiers come after the main component, so

• ❌
• ☑️

[long sorrel]

i was assuming i'd need the due to the reset 🫤

to me that spell looks like

[blazing heath]

it would spawn no mageblocks cuz no on

[long sorrel]

ok so id need

hmmm i see🤔 i assume what i'm trying to do is less than feasible . it'll be chill

alright after some testing i've found that if i use

it casts no mageblocks, delays, creates a hollow sphere. I'm assuming its cause i'm using wall... i'm now thinking just drop the wall make a floor... and i think i'mma make a separate thread for this🤔

sadness

[turbid light]

Well...

The wall should be placing blocks where it can

But of course, you are spawning it at your feet so there's at least 2 blocks in the center which it can't conjure

[long sorrel]

If I can ill snag a video, but delay was causing it to not put the wall at all🫤

[turbid light]

Strange

[long sorrel]

ok so it would seem that cant throw single stack(max) items

[turbid light]

Yep

[turbid light]

And?

[long sorrel]

i have a surplus of warden hearts 🤷‍♂️

was trying to yeet them 😋 just something i learned i guess

[turbid light]

Lol

[proud kindle]

What do you mean it can’t throw single stack items?

[turbid light]

Lol, I missread

[long sorrel]

i couldn't get it to throw an item with a singe stack-max🤷‍♂️ i.e. a warden heart

[proud kindle]

I use to throw things like excess weapons and armor onto a rune for void jar destruction purposes

[long sorrel]

That's what I was trying to do, but I couldn't get it to fire them...I just had a major server glitch... maybe it'll work tonight🤷‍♂️

[flint idol]

If it's the same setup you had in the picture above, is your item frame with the irons arcane essence still on that chest? It'll mean the turret only can toss that item

[long sorrel]

Ya know it may have been 🤔

[waxen compass]

Good morning, I'm from Brazil and there aren't any great videos about this mod, I would like to know how life link works and the uses for it

[long sorrel]

I believe you could life link an enemy and they'll hit you but take damage🤔/if they heal you do too/instead

But I'm still learning/experimenting

[flint maple]

Scenario:
Caster life link a mob.
Caster would take x damage, becomes x/2 and the other half is dealt to the mob.
Mob would heal y health, gets healed by y/2 instead and the caster get the other half

Note: this effect is directional. Who is the caster and who gets hit by life link matters

[turbid light]

So the caster always wins?

That's boring. Make 'em loose.
Make'em pay the fair price

[waxen compass]

Supposedly it would be possible for me to use it with that eye that releases magic elsewhere on the map to link my life to a Hydra (From the ice and fire dragons mod) which would make me immortal since it only dies if it is burned to death? (I'll test it, I just need a chunk loader) 🤔

Maybe connect to a warden if the person doesn't have ice and fire, but I haven't tested anything yet 🤔

[sullen sky]

you can do that with runes and life link

just need to make runes permanent

and viola, so long as you have fire res

[waxen compass]

I tested it and it didn't work for some reason. 🤔

[distant mortar]

oh wait, its not direct link?

you could like life link with a tremorzilla and constantly regen health then

[distant mortar]

A Tremorzilla can passively regenerate health, and will regenerate at different rates depending on how much health it has. Usually, it will regenerate 2 every 5 seconds. If on 50% health (250 × 125) or below, it will start to regenerate 3 every second; if on 20% health (100 × 50) or below, it will start to regenerate 5 every half a second. In addition to this, if affected by Irradiated, it will heal by 12 × 6 and remove the effect - if affected by multiple levels of Irradiated, it will heal by a multiplier of that level.

[flint maple]

Well it's a spell meant as counter to over healer mobs

[distant mortar]

it makes the enemy healing both of you at half the effectivity and enemy damaging you damage themselves right

interesting

[long sorrel]

Anyone have a spell that when cast will cause a server to hit low FPS but not out right crash a server? I need a deterrent 😒

[long sorrel]

The setup I'm using is getting royally screwed up just because of an odd enchantment interaction. I can't find a way to stop the glitch I'm experiencing. I've asked the other players (several times) to A) stop using it on me, and B) help finding a way to not have to spend hours fixing things after getting hit a few times. So I've decided to adopt the mutual destruction answer 🤷‍♂️

I don't want to crash the server, I can already 1 shot them using the reliquary (to get around mahou shield 😮‍💨) however they get off on pvp so that just accelerates the issue... lag seems to be the only thing that gets anyone's attention🤷‍♂️

The idea is to show them I mean business then keep that spell parchment on a pedestal, or something once they get the hint

I was thinking a clone spell with a bunch of split, burst, and chain... but that crashes more often then not

[queen charm]

void blink + gravity doesn't send the memo?

alternatively blinking them to somewhere with a lot of particle effects

send em to the elephants foot

harvest some reinforced deepslate from a deep dark city and make a pear wiggler

https://tenor.com/view/pear-wiggle-pear-wiggler-pear-wiggled-get-wiggled-gif-7225222458756406813

naughty mages get sent to the pear wiggler to atone for their crimes

three turrets that fire intersecting orbits of delay rewind spells

so even if they try to teleport away

they get rewinded back into the pear wiggler

as a bonus it'll make em nauseous too

[fervent hawk]

I always liked the portal prison. A full box of portals that teleports you back to the middle

https://tenor.com/view/master-roshi-broly-fighterz-mafuba-evil-containment-wave-gif-26600249

[long sorrel]

Gravity doesn't seem to affect mods that add flight🤔 the pear wiggler is interesting I'll def need more info... and with tpa or /home on the server it's easily escaped I guess 🤷‍♂️

[queen charm]

thats why the rewinds are delayed

just need to keep the chunk loaded

[long sorrel]

So only if there /home was off world then?

[fervent hawk]

put a portal at their /home location

[queen charm]

pear wiggler for each dimension

send them to their dimension's respective pear wiggler

[fervent hawk]

to each world there is a wiggler

[queen charm]

so crossdim doesn't save them

[long sorrel]

Neat

That could work

[queen charm]

this is assuming rewind works how I expect it to

you might also need to prime the wiggler or they'll have a brief window before they get hit by the first orbit

but the first hit seals their fate

[long sorrel]

I have been experimenting with rewind as a form of immortality... but reactive 4 doesn't seem to trigger it properly

[queen charm]

rewind is a funky glyph I don't fully understand

so this concept may not work because I don't fully understand it

[long sorrel]

That's lifelink for me

Still def worth a test tho

Is the pear wiggler in the spell crafting area?

[queen charm]

nope

i totally made that name up on the spot

thought it would be funny

feel free to make a thread though

[long sorrel]

I don't fully understand what you mean by it, that specific interaction is new to me as well

[queen charm]

also didn't catch this but yeah it's 95% as effective for like 5% of the effort

[queen charm]

i'll make a thread and try to elaborate on it

[fervent hawk]

my specialty is finding a lazy way to do something that is almost as effective as the hard way lol

[queen charm]

on an unrelated note

a separate forum channel for non-spell focused general theorycrafting would be cool

since stuff like the arrow cannon and now this aren't really spells

but aren't really complete community creations either

[fervent hawk]

eh, I think it's fine to lump them all into this forum

it's just a name, it can be general for theory crafting stuff involving Ars

could maybe add some tags

[flint idol]

Community creations is "look I made a thing!"

Spell crafting discussion is "I have a rough idea of a thing, but I'm not quite sure on the details"

[queen charm]

yeah thats how i've been viewing it anyway. at the very least some tags -

yarp

[queen charm]

exactly

[flint idol]

Thread posts are "I've got a pretty good idea, but I know it's going to be a lot of discussion on just this one thing"

[queen charm]

maybe like a "contraption" and/or "discussion" tag

https://canary.discord.com/channels/743298050222587978/1335350857239232615

[turbid light]

THRONGLE 💀

[long sorrel]

I ah just discovered that actually 😈

😇*

[turbid light]

Hehe

[long sorrel]

I'll be using that or the portal prison

[long sorrel]

Oh I was reading through the throngle thread... and someone mentioned "melting cpus"... are there any glyph combos to out right avoid for this? Generally speaking I mean

[long sorrel]

so i was wondering if i could get some syntax input on a spell

[long sorrel]

the idea is to grow a bunch of sunflowers. i have the one flower isolated. and it has some decent results so far

[flint idol]

As written:

Orbit spheres around the caster that can trigger on block collisions.

When triggered, create a wall entity (which casts 3x). Any regular entities within that wall would then create more orbit spheres. Which can trigger on blocks. Split if I recall gives more orbits

[distant mortar]

spam evoker fangs if you wanna fuck up fps

[flint idol]

When those entities' orbits trigger, grow a 2x2 area. Your guess is as good as mine regarding the orientation of that 2x2

[long sorrel]

i'm primarily casting it on an isolated sunflower

[distant mortar]

villager reputation is annoying to deal with...

trying to reactive 4 this to deal exactly 20 damage

[flint idol]

Then I'd use a different spell. Without other entities around it, it'll effectively cast grow on it about 6 times

Now... It could be made to be more effective with a few tweaks

One. More sunflowers. Most of the wall area is going to not target a sunflower

Wall needs a sensitive to trigger on blocks. And honestly I'd do a flat field instead and use lingering (probably hitting a fencepost in the center)

One interesting way you could take this: lingering, wall, burst, etc with sensitive will target every block in the area....

But without sensitive, it'll target all entities in an area instead

You can fit more entities in an area than blocks....

So you could do something with something like summon vex with a bunch of reduce time, so it creates a bunch, but they start dying instantly..

Combined with a summoner focus with self orbit, you could get them all to trigger a bunch of orbits or something to get a lot more grows in one block than would typically be possible

[distant mortar]

a spell that deals 15~19 damage on demand on a single tick(i assume reactive damage and melee damage is a separate instance damage with iframe ignore in between) would be nice for my villager stuff, hm.

[flint idol]

Id need a few hours in game though to tweak the grammar correctly for this

[distant mortar]

isnt enough(9 damage) it seems

nevermind

they also make the main weapon damage masked due to iframes lol

[long sorrel]

i got it to ~360 per cast, with just 3 sunflowers, and its not suuper cheap but it does more than enough imo
https://discord.com/channels/743298050222587978/1335419772246032405

[long sorrel]

i had a weird idea for a spell, i'm trying it with decoy but ehh🤷‍♂️ the idea is to to create a block in front of me to rapid target myself (🤔 side thought i wonder if this'd make an interesting heal) then maybe to target a wide area [prop ] to create the clones to breake the mageblock?

[prop ]

too over engineered or nah?

wait can you summon undead off an orbit spell 😳

[smoky crater]

im trying to make a spell that can defeat the Draconic Evolution Chaos Guardian

[queen charm]

i suggest using the search feature in #1063650997135757393

[proud kindle]

As someone who has defeated the Chaos Guardian using only magic mods and without crafting any DE gear:

It is a tedious process because you can’t use easy tricks like iframe bypasses on it. You are going to have to slowly whittle away at it, while being on constant guard against its instakill laser attack.

[somber cobalt]

Spam this: https://discord.com/channels/743298050222587978/1287559002523172956

[queen charm]

Chaos guardian is immune to statuses.

[somber cobalt]

Hmm

is an effect, yes?

[queen charm]

Hex applies the hex status.

Which it is immune to

[somber cobalt]

Brilliant

[queen charm]

Lyre's advice is solid

[somber cobalt]

Perfect, really.

I hath a bad idea.

[queen charm]

The chaos guardian isn't a boss you can cheese by design

And I think that's cool, actually

[somber cobalt]

+ + + https://discord.com/channels/743298050222587978/1287561261495619717

[somber cobalt]

Drop the ⚡ and swap for

[queen charm]

This is a lot of work for a spell that only propagates to decoys within 32m

A would work just as well for cheaper at longer range

And guarantee a hit

[long sorrel]

So I read yesterday, on one of the threads, that doing ... ... would get you the longest tunnel (vs only piercing the break or form) that got me thinking if I did ... ... should create a spherical hole under ground... but not affect the surface right?

[lean rivet]

Nah, the spell executes fully on every hit block. Also has a radius.

[long sorrel]

I thought that was only with the block shaper focus tho 🤔

[lean rivet]

For block penetration it is true, gives repetition. Otherwise it wouldn't dig any deeper when doing the above, would it?

[long sorrel]

I assumed that without the block shaper it wouldn't make a tunnel, it'd progress it deeper and target a block underground then perform the burst break. Assuming the burst radius is less then the pierce distance, by at least 1, of course

[turbid light]

The won't do nothing in this regard

[distant mortar]

what would be the best charm setup

so i can have all the pets for free(im lazy to search up dragon nests)

[long sorrel]

Not sure I use corail for that stuff 🫤

But does amp work 🤔 I like the syntaxes of Ars soooo satisfying

If you just need to do it reapetedly, like bone meal, I have a throngle-esque idea that may work 🤔

[long sorrel]

is there a way to create a hollow sphere using burst... then a bunch of items at the center?

[azure ice]

Yes

[long sorrel]

wouldnt that toss be centered from the original taget point?

[azure ice]

Yes, the center of the burst

[long sorrel]

i'm more talking toss as the argument for the area tarted by burst (like the mageblock glyph is doing) only inward instaed of outward

[azure ice]

Ah, all you said was hollow sphere with items in the center

[long sorrel]

like an implosion i spose

touche my friend i was fairly vague there i'll try and doo better

[distant mortar]

he wants the shadow of the erdtreee sword spell thing

lol

[long sorrel]

i was honestly trying to create one of those entity kill points 😅

[distant mortar]

i do wanna experiment with something tbh

pneumaticraft can access armor slot/inventory slot

so you could theoretically setup a "gas chamber"

where you teleport a guy in, immediately robs him of his belongings(including armor), and then slap him to death

baubles will still be there but the items that he hold would still be sucked out

[long sorrel]

😳

[distant mortar]

holy fuck i think ars is actually op lol you dont even need to hit the dragon to tame it

if charm is indefinite for tamable mobs that is but still

[queen charm]

i dont recall being able to tame stuff with ars

outside of charm

wait-

[somber cobalt]

?

[flint maple]

they're seducing the dragons

coincidentally, he only got female ones

[distant mortar]

only male fire dragon squad and only female ice dragon squad

[queen charm]

tfw no gay dragons

why even live

[steel sleet]

I used throngle and ended up breaking the tick speed causing every power source on the server to go dead and killing my very overpowered self and friends in the process

[turbid light]

yeah...

I did a throngle that froze all entities in my world

[steel sleet]

And how did that pan out

[turbid light]

Well

I closed the world and opened it again

Since it couldn't save the state before, it just reverted to a past version

I did this with this spell, but replacing the first with . You need a chilling thread

[steel sleet]

Ohh i see

Honestly most of my spells are just simple utillity which made it 10x better when i used throngle on them i think what made it worse was the ice explosion i made occuring while throngle was active

[turbid light]

The original spell is quite fun

[turbid light]

lol

[steel sleet]

Personally the lightning made it flashy and less distructive compared to the fire but i might try to make a new throngle with water and cold snap

For now im gonna get somthing to eat

Ill expirirmwnt later

[turbid light]

well really it's mage fire, so it doesn't burn anything but entities

[steel sleet]

Thats the issue my base is surrounded by everyones pets and mobs so its pretty risky for me

[turbid light]

OH DAMN

Yeah, that's too risky

[long sorrel]

so idk if its already been discovered buuut this creates lightning landmines O.O

inside a killchamber its nuts

[blazing heath]

Standart orbit bug, interesting use tho

Will try

[distant mortar]

idk if i should make a thread about "best reactive spells" that doesn't regard for mana consumption

[queen charm]

there are already reactive threads

just revitalize those ones

[distant mortar]

they focus on mana stuff like heal

need one that would ignore such limits, since its going to be put on mobs

[lean rivet]

You can ignore such limits using traditional casting as well, using various methods.

Easiest one would be the pickup trick and a void-jar.

Want a 4k reactive without being limited? Go for it.

[distant mortar]

on the run?

[lean rivet]

Yes. Build a machine, using a permanent rune that picks things up for you, chunkload it.

1k items per second means 5k regen per second.

[distant mortar]

ah

the cobble gen trick

neato

like for obvious reasons the thing should have one heal slot but i was wondering what else i should have

filling out 4 heal slot is dumb

and the spell put on also shouldnt be so extravagant that it would explode thee user

[lean rivet]

Since we're talking infinite mana here, lets see.

Youl could have a freeze, so any time you take damage the block underneath you freezes. Coule even give that some radius and an amplified break where your body is. Voila, complete lava immunity without fire protection.

could be a response to whoever hit you, knocking them back and doing damage.

could be another one, just instantly charm all nearby mobs.

[distant mortar]

ㅗㅡ

hm

my maid doing charm constantly sounds funny lol

[distant mortar]

pyromancer might be fun, hm

[lean rivet]

Oh, for the maid.

Right.

:filter_whatever:

[distant mortar]

i mean it acts like a player kinda so im fine-ish

tamed mobs shouldnt hit me right

lol

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/743298050222587982/1336672378301710378/Create_Chronicles__Bosses_and_Beyond_2025-02-05_21-17-15.mp4?ex=67a4a8a9&is=67a35729&hm=67dc756ee042f5d579b788cfe315e01da6bbdb6721a36ece6879b2dbd4894755&

relevant maid fuckery

[long sorrel]

so i'm not sure what spell to request for the mage support... but i have a vague idea 🤔

i'm thinking something with blink but idk

is there a way to use bling to move through a wall?

[lean rivet]

would be it, I think?

[distant mortar]

YE

ye*

[long sorrel]

hmmm and you could use thast to get through a wall?

i havent messed with blink due to artefacts

My goto spell is ... But I also use alot 🤔... man this is hard

[long sorrel]

Wait a second, is there a way to make a tornado of sand? Like how the throngle makes a vortex of orbits 🤔 must experiment after work 😳

🤔 ok so I can figure the place, bulk conjure?(maybe) of the sand, the levitation.... but idk on the tornado bit

Maybe at the end of a throngle-lite?

[ ] to set spell target to a block bounce it up and trigger the [throngle | end] [ ] to target a large area [[conjure terrain] 🌬️ (gust)] summon sand and whip it around?

[distant mortar]

after looking at ars elemental

seems like its quite hard to actually make such spells for shield reactive

i assume this cause even if reactive does get activated you have to actively look at the thing to make it do something and not do something on air
enchanter's shield could be little better but i assume ultimately the same for now

so you have to aim at the recipient for the spell to resolve, or use homing which isnt ideal

so by nature either its orbit(solid choice) or linger i have to assume?

[azure ice]

You can use and it'll target the entity that last hit you (requires Ars Additions)

[distant mortar]

neat

[sullen sky]

hmm, what about a reactive effect that triggers before applying damage?

[distant mortar]

what should i put on my bown

its mainly for launching free dragonbone arrows btw(50 damage yay)

[turbid light]

Hmm...
That would be difficult

Would need to happen within the same tick, before the damage gets resolved

Dunno if even possible

[long sorrel]

graphman have i ever told you your amazing?

[turbid light]

Well thank you!

[long sorrel]

ok i have and i'm trying to add ([Prop ] [prop ] ) to the location of the bounce. is there a better way than just delay?

the idea is to have it drop a rune underfoot where i land that will propel me foreward again

[long sorrel]

does anyone know if this gets processed the same way does, or [nullify] would (ATM10: Ars noveau | 1.21 | enchanter's sword - notebook description)

nvm i'm an idiot and can't read gud 😅

[turbid light]

Not unless Addons, and I'm not versed in those

Hmm

Tho Ars Artifice adds some conditions for reactive, such as distance fallen

[long sorrel]

alr delay it is :p

[smoky crater]

Any advice on the keeping alive aspect

[proud kindle]

My main suggestions in that regard:
1)layer as many forms of defense as you can - protection enchants, resistance affixes, evasion, etc. If you can manage to get a Resistance V effect or a permanent Heartstop effect you’re golden for everything but the laser
2)if you’re trying to fight it using only magic like I did, I suggest staying airborne as much as possible because you want to stay close enough to actually hit him while he’s in motion. A Ring of Jumping can help bypass his flight nullifying phase, and having a spell handy for mobility is useful
3)avoiding the laser is the key to beating the fight, and you have to learn to recognize the auditory cue that he’s charging it up. As soon as you notice it you need to either get well out of range or get behind one of the obsidian pillars. I keep a spell on the hotbar for this and spam it as fast as I can until I am in a safe position.

[long sorrel]

so i used [mark] to target 2 dirt blocks (the 2 holes), then used [recall] (had to break the dirt) can't figure how to manually get both targets saved... gonna try it with 2 in a chest with a turret 🤔

[flint idol]

My guess is you simply can't. If recall is just a single thing instead of an array of items, it'll just be whatever was last picked

[long sorrel]

i'm hoping with 2 relequary's in a chest i can snag both spots...

i have a theory... and as far as i can tell it hinges on filling multiple relequaries

does splt not work on turrets?

ah thts the purpose of the prism 🤔

hmmmm interesting

welp thats a bust 🤷‍♂️

[flint idol]

Opposite actually. Many in, one out

[long sorrel]

i thought maybe there was a splitte rlens but no luck... seems split on a turret doesn't work

[long sorrel]

so this is probably a qther question but, can create a reactive loop using & ?

[blazing heath]

probably would need a mechanism within the spell, something like a pickup or something

[prisma lichen]

Has anyone tested the glyph to make a block come to life on lava blocks? (as there should be ways to make the spell target a liquid block)

[distant mortar]

touch sensitive should targer liquid

idk if you can animate them tho

[long sorrel]

i ment saved in the relequary.. i had an idea where i target 1 block and use a chain of mark/recall to make it a reallly big spell... however outside of stacking a bajillion harm delay's idk what to add :/ as propagating it wouldn't get you anywhere

outside of maybe a multi throngle using turrets, which idk if they can do that, i'm at a loss

msybe you could do a big single hole dig 🤷‍♂️ just brek + 99+ pierces

[long sorrel]

🤔 i wonder if you could use it to make a really long automated mining/construction machine

[normal torrent]

what mod makes it so you can equip infinite glyphs

[forest mortar]

its a config in the ars-nouveau-server config file

[normal torrent]

ok

is there a mod though

theres a video called Ars Nouveau Infinite Glyphs! and I want to know how to get it

theres also one tome called alexes mansion that has 12 glyphs and I want to know how to create something like that with over 10 glyphs

[long sorrel]

Isn't it just the base mods' config?

[azure ice]

That is the base mods config file

[normal torrent]

oh

i dont know what that is sorry

cya

[stiff barn]

question, is there a way to make a force field of some sorts? Like a wall that keeps mobs inside but players are unaffected? im using too many glyphs so have access to the filter spell
i was thinking about like wall + blink with scroll (didnt work), pull with it didnt work

[long sorrel]

🤔 there's a ritual that repells.... things

[turbid light]

Try casting it with a turret or rune that has the scroll in an adjacent chest

[stiff barn]

oh it works, a bit weird that it worked differently when firing it yourself

[turbid light]

It really shouldn't

[lunar cradle]

Anyone know any good spells for building? The singular building gadget type item in the Craftoria pack is currently disabled because it can bypass claims. I want to save my fingers some trouble...

Like, making a nice big platform, or constructing a wall... Wall spell + place block would probably do something

[lunar cradle]

I'm thinking that perhaps a combo of (X) (X - 1) might be able to produce a temporary hollow sphere? I need to test it, I suppose.

If I had more glyph space to work with, I may be able to bring it down to a temporary circle to build off of instead of a hollow sphere.

[distant mortar]

burst dampen place block should give you a hollow sphere

[lunar cradle]

Here's what I got with the Enchanter's Mirror with

[lunar cradle]

Really? Lemme try =D

[night oyster]

does anyone know why this spell is healing the targets too?

[nocturne grove]

Any suggestions on what's strong in Enigmatica 6 (MC 1.16.5)? A lot of resources on this discord seem to be for other versions

[distant mortar]

you might be equipped with mecromancy focus which can heal targets afaik, but other than that i dont have a clue

[night oyster]

ohh, yeah, its that

[turbid light]

Are you attacking undead?

[long sorrel]

🤔 I wonder if the bangles pay a role there too? I have a similar experience with the ender dragon

[flint maple]

it's the bangle not the focus

every damage will have a chance to either wither the enemy or heal both

[sullen sky]

the enemy could also have reactive healing enchant

[distant mortar]

oh yeah how owuld you kill a reactive self heal amp 8 wearing enemy, hm

i assume jsut go beyond the healing?

[flint maple]

exaust their mana

note: does not apply to non-player

[sullen sky]

hex

decrease heal increase damage

[long sorrel]

I'm surprised someone hasn't made a test dummy out of a villager 🤔 tbh

[distant mortar]

i meant for player

[distant mortar]

good way to un-discount your stuff tbh

best would be getting the pillager

he likes toe wear shit and his crossbow AI gets borked once the bow breaks

[long sorrel]

I was thinking as a way to test spells accurately 🤔 since they'd have I frames 🤷‍♂️

[long sorrel]

Wouldn't you just life link them... 🤔 and cut the heals in 1/2?

[distant mortar]

lifelink hex would work

the reactive could also have self cut / dispel to counter that

[long sorrel]

Could, but as a player you'd have to manage mana levels .... heal 8 will take a toll

[distant mortar]

was thinking about mobs

[long sorrel]

🤔 yea mobs make it easier to make defensive reactive stuff

[night oyster]

is this how you make an obsidian cannon?

unrelated, this spell deals great damage

[long sorrel]

any pointers on poisioning someone just enough to keep up with regenII?

[distant mortar]

idk regen on high amounts will beat poison or wither i think

[long sorrel]

were trying to level up the crystal heart relic, and you need to be actively regenerating hearts... but the lower your health is, compared to max, the more xp you get

i figured using one of Qther's village abuser machines on a player might be the right direction 😅

[distant mortar]

too bad ars doesnt have something like pokemon does

where you always live with 1hp

[long sorrel]

would make wixies too easy :p

[distant mortar]

harm dispel spam already works

cut dampen could do such thing

[long sorrel]

harm dispell doesn't work in atm10 mid-late game

[distant mortar]

at that point any strong spell with dispel works

[long sorrel]

oneshotting it does not in fact work 🥲

[long sorrel]

so poison doesn't activate abyssal shroud but envenomed does 🤔

[flint maple]

Reduce your own healing with hex

On latest elemental you'd be able to reverse life link, so you can fall down to 25% healing

[long sorrel]

it would appear i currently need to trigger the [regeneration] effect, more often it currently seems to trigger an instance of healing once every 3 seconds, sadly the itself doesn't appear to have an impact. so i'm currently looking into a combination of potion/runes to see what i can do :/ sad ars doesn't seem to have the answer, but I shall find a way to get there 😎

[sharp crow]

is there a way to bypass a creature's poison immunity? Trying to do envenom -> poison spores as a high dmg spell

[turbid light]

Don't think so

[sharp crow]

rip

[long sorrel]

ok having some issuesgetting this to work

[distant mortar]

dispel?

[long sorrel]

i've tried adding , , combo of both...

[distant mortar]

you need sensitive on crush

[long sorrel]

oh no thats conjure terrain

[distant mortar]

some goes for smelt

ah conj terrain

it should work then...hm

[long sorrel]

currently i'm just making sand... then if i cast it again on the same spot i get glasss, and a sand

but i can't get it to "place glass"

am i just best off setting it up with a smelting rune? and casting sand over a light?

:/

[distant mortar]

crush reset delay smelt doesnt work?

[long sorrel]

oddly no

[turbid light]

[plush zodiac]

https://youtube.com/shorts/-OuF-RrnevE?si=Hb04yje2DifFuNp0

Anyone able to guess the combo for this?

[turbid light]

Just looks like a wall Gatling

[long sorrel]

🤔 it would appear its also using [prop_homing]

( ) would be my first guess🤔

[flint maple]

Immunity from all effects isn't bypassable

Immunity from poison like spiders and undead is bypassed with

[sharp crow]

I've got an earth focus and it only seems to bypass undead poison immunity

[long sorrel]

I keep forgetting that 🤦‍♂️

[midnight tundra]

Hi, new ars player here. How much of an effect does the order and amount have when crafting a spell? For example, I’m going earth and just trying to boost harm, so which would be strongest considering mana cost as well?

1. Form —> harm —> amp —> amp
2. Form —>harm —> amp —> amp —> harm —> amp —> amp etc
3. Form —> (as many harms as can fit) —> amp —> amp

[azure ice]

These are all technically different spells and run into issues like iframes

[flint idol]

And the fun is they'll all do the same damage!

Add a delay between your harms for better results

[midnight tundra]

oh interesting

as in a blank space in the spell activation or literally wait a second between casting

also if they all do the same damage, isnt the 1st one best cause its lowest mana cost?

[azure ice]

[azure ice]

Yes, but they only do the same damage because of iframes, once you add delays between the harms the damage will be different, I recommend trying your damage spells out on a target dummy

[midnight tundra]

thanks! how do i get a target dummy?

[azure ice]

That would be from another mod, a popular one is https://www.curseforge.com/minecraft/mc-mods/mmmmmmmmmmmm

[midnight tundra]

oh thanks!

[long sorrel]

just remember the damage to a MMMMMMM dummy doesnt translate 100% as it doesn't take i-frames into account :/

still great for seeing what numbers your working with though

[flint maple]

ah, that would explain the milion of damage on target dummies

[long sorrel]

it shows technical damage so it can be useful, you just have to manage the syntax for iframes 🤷‍♂️

[long sorrel]

[E-trail] ..... etc... any ideas on consistent triggering?

[flint maple]

wasn't trail + wall banned

it was one of the most heinous things you can imagine

especially because trail takes as augment

[long sorrel]

I'm not sure 🤔 I'll have to look next time I'm on

[oblique agate]

Hey all, anyone know of a quick and dirty way to make invisiblity infinite instead of capping at the 1:32?

Owner of a server with just me and my friends and have bluemap, found that invisibility takes me off bluemap which would be convenient for dumb secret bases 🙂

[fervent hawk]

if you're the owner, could do it with commands https://minecraft.wiki/w/Commands/effect

[oblique agate]

I'm aware, but I am trying to not be a douche as well and do it somewhat legit haha

[fervent hawk]

as a survival player what you could do is have wixies brewing invisibility potions and have Potion Diffusers throughout your secret base

[long sorrel]

Infusion pylon from the pylons mod... or a Stella'd relequary

[fervent hawk]

potion diffusers will reach I think it was 10 or 15 blocks away. Might be some logistical issues with setting these up, but it is a way

[long sorrel]

That'd be good for temporary ones too 🤔

[fervent hawk]

because after all, our invis spell is just using the vanilla Invisibility effect

[oblique agate]

Pylon mod seems interesting that's for sure

[long sorrel]

Can be

[fervent hawk]

yeah that can get you infinite potion effects

[oblique agate]

I'll have to look into this appreciate the ideas!

[fervent hawk]

the potion route would require... a supply of fermented spider eyes, golden carrots, and netherwart

[oblique agate]

Been trying to do it using the spell book and figure out a sequence that would extend it past the 1:30 mark but haven't found anything yet

[long sorrel]

The diffuser seems like the best fit for your use case

[oblique agate]

Even with add ons

[long sorrel]

Could even have a dispell Rune setup to remove the invis when you leave 🤔

[oblique agate]

Even at least getting it to 5 mins would be convenient haha

[fervent hawk]

oh, well there's also the Wixie familiar (though I imagine that might show up on the map?), that boosts potion effect durations

also the Wixie thread for the mage armor

[long sorrel]

Iiuc it's ~10 min per use... kinda

With the diffuser

[fervent hawk]

and of course, there is the Potion Flask, which can extend the duration of a potion by 1.5 as well as hold 8 doses

Potion Flask: Extend Time, I think it's called?

with these and regularly brewed invisibilty potions you could get some long duration invis

[long sorrel]

That plus the wixie familiar/thread is great

[oblique agate]

Ooooo yes I think these might be the way

[fervent hawk]

8 minutes from a boosted potion, +15% duration per Wixie Thread slot level, +familiar bonus which I think might be 50%...? Then the extend time flask for another +50%

[long sorrel]

Don't Extended potions get further extended? Or can you not use linger potions?

[fervent hawk]

lingering potions tend to have much shorter durations

but extending normal potions to the 8 minute variants with redstone is fine

[long sorrel]

O.o wasn't extended time there point tho

[fervent hawk]

the extend time flask, you just drink from

[long sorrel]

Oh... is that not what I was talking about?🤔

[fervent hawk]

lingering potions are a specific thing

that make the cloud

[long sorrel]

Oh right it's aoe... basically 🫤

[fervent hawk]

oh, and a thing that might be useful honestly is combinging a Night Vision potion in using a Melder, so that you get the same duration night vision as invis. Night Vision is a useful indicator, since it will start to visually blink your screen when the duration is about to run out

[long sorrel]

That's a good idea 🤔... 😮‍💨 now I need to stock up on night vision

[oblique agate]

Y'all are too awesome

Now to figure out how to craft an uncraftable potion to make the potion flask 🤔🤔🤔😂😂😂

Seems we have a mod that adds it as an uncraftable to make a witches hat so, a witch hunt I shall have I guess 😂😂

[long sorrel]

Do you have occultism?

If so you just need a cat 😅

That witch drops some different drops than a normal witch... I just have no clue if you also get the normal drops 😅

[fervent hawk]

thank Pixlriffs, got that trick from him lol. Good old Survival Guide

[long sorrel]

I jar'd both to be safe

[long sorrel]

Iron spells cauldron has spoiled me... for potion making

I've gotta figure out a wixie setup now

[fervent hawk]

I'm the type that will build a vanilla redstone potion brewer, I like potions lol

[long sorrel]

Doing multiple potions with 1 wixie bottle necks bad 🫤

[long sorrel]

I used to make an auto potion brewing station... I think it was a mumbo build 🤔 but I rarely use potions 🤷‍♂️

Like I keep finding mana regen potions in lootr chests... and store them in a jar

[latent spoke]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1111925020663480400/1343115525819072613/image.png?ex=67c9f10f&is=67c89f8f&hm=64ed37d2ec32bd7bc9ca56541c50ac2773a96e0d7a6bedb4d1310bcc0c90e28b&

Whats the 5th glyph in this spell?

[long sorrel]

Amplify

Tho I think it's the amp x 'X' ones that's effectively ars plus iirc right?

Adam's ars plus maybe.... only heard about it but never used so I might have the mod wrong

[latent spoke]

I don't actually know i just wanted to use the spell since i found it in a video

[long sorrel]

Yea I think you can do like if you don't have the appropriate mod

It was a space saving mod so nothing too unique iirc

[long sorrel]

At least those glyphs are 😅

[latent spoke]

Alright thanks

[distant mortar]

amp twice, idk where it was added tho

[olive niche]

sorry for bother, if someone can help me on https://discord.com/channels/743298050222587978/1347824355886891030

[stark trout]

Greetings folks, it's been a while and I've forgotten a lot of my Ars-spellcraft lore. I'm running ATM10 (which includes Ars Additions, Energistique, Elemental, Ocultas, and a Modular Machinery/Ars mod) and I'm trying to do something I never did previously, which is to produce a circular dirt-patch (for landscaping purposes). I can easily get squares of dirt using > :conjure-terrain: > but I'm trying to figure out if there's any way to get a more circular dispersal. Chaining doesn't seem to work. Any advice? I'm currently limited to spell tiers 1 and 2.

[azure ice]

might have a circle augment

It's from Not Enough Glyphs which is also in ATM10

[stark trout]

"...Add sensitive to make the plane circular." That is PERFECT thank you very much! I had missed that one entirely.

[stark trout]

Makes a phenomenal landscaping brush! Can run it with or :conjure_terrain:.

[mellow gulch]

all over the base lmao

[chrome bison]

@long sorrel @long sorrel

apologies, misclicked

(discord mobile is weird like that)

[long sorrel]

No biggie

[turbid light]

I've got a question for the wise wizards among our ranks

Some may remember my attempts at creating a machine of untold damage and arrow acceleration

Yet the requirement of a warpscroll made this contraption rather clumsy, even in theory

.
I, this morning, came to an enlightenment

Remembering simple teleportation spells such as

I thought it possible to cast through an enchanter's eye and onto a batch of accelerated arrows

Do you, oh wise mages, think this endeavour possible?

[lunar cradle]

Y'all know about the Starbuncle Abuse tactic for repairing Occultism miners? (Life-Mending and healing runes)?
I have a weird idea to improve upon that, in certain packs. Pneumaticcraft drones.
I'm gonna try it when I get back on the server I'm playing on.

If Ars runes are capable of healing the drones, and the Life-Mending enchant works with drones, I could fully automate ore production from my Occultism dimensional miner.
Barring Life-Mending and healing runes working on drones, I could still use the drones to properly time the Starbuncle, by only giving it access to the miner at certain times (telling it to move the miner from a barrel to the dimensional miner, but using a drone to only move the lamp from the dimensional miner to the barrel when it's close to being broken)

[gritty cargo]

It seems possible, have you gotten around to testing?

[turbid light]

I'm testing right now in a train

Hehehe

targets arrows

[gritty cargo]

Epic

[gritty cargo]

super epic

Lmk if you want me to test anything, ill be free in like an hour

[turbid light]

Sadly it only exchanges 1 arrow

[gritty cargo]

Noooooooooo

[flint idol]

Chaining exchange

I'm using chaining in a smelt spell I've been using by hand for a while. To target multiple item stacks at once

[turbid light]

Only elemental I'm afraid

[flint idol]

Ah. I guess it wouldn't work anyway. Exchange swaps positions when hitting an entity. Which arrow would swap positions? So it probably can only exchange to one

[turbid light]

Are you still interested in the arrowcannon?

[turbid light]

Pretty sure, yes

[flint maple]

even assuming it resolves on all, it would be exchanging you with all the arrows one by one. so you take the place of the first arrow, the second arrow takes the former place of the first arrow etc.

[turbid light]

https://medal.tv/games/minecraft/clips/jWMLBkdciKqvaUf_U?invite=cr-MSw3UTgsMTkyMDcxNDU0

Exchange would be fun, but it works well enough with blink

Just got some +6k dmg

[flint idol]

Lol so it charges up with a ton of arrows, then explodes and blinks to the target area, killing anything nearby

Why do all the explosions start going in sequence instead of all at once?

Or is that a TPS thing that they are "at once"

[flint maple]

i'm kinda surprised the hit on dummy manage to register at all

[flint maple]

there is a clear desync when it's a matter of thousand explosion, so might be

[turbid light]

Oh, cuz it uses an observer loop to cast multiple *4*2
which then are also off-synced by the spell prysms

[flint idol]

But the earlier explosions, don't they basically do nothing at that point? Since the arrows are stuck in a block?

[turbid light]

The delays are there to prevent explosions while the projectiles are coming in

Nope

Basic Minecraft Java mechanic: arrows that are stuck in a block still have momentum
And can be accelerated

[flint idol]

Ah interesting

I did not know that

I thought it needed to be in flight still

[turbid light]

I remembered it from an old vid of a java cannon that deals damage in the hundreds

Maybe even from Cubic Metre

[flint idol]

Hmmm... That seems.... Very usable

[turbid light]

Just a basic trapdor that holds the arrows

[flint idol]

And I'm sure you've already tested everything I'm thinking anyway

[turbid light]

Maybe, maybe not

[flint idol]

First question. To release the arrow, do you need to flip the trap door, or can you simply blink it?

[turbid light]

You can blink it

It's what I actually do

[flint idol]

Prisms/portals to align explosions to the same pixel, a single arrow stuck in a block. Seems like it could be easy to aim that way

[turbid light]

The trapdoors in my design are to hold the water

And to prevent damage

[flint idol]

Single arrow. Not the cloud. Though swarm is easy to aim because it's hard to miss with hundreds

[turbid light]

Yeah

[flint idol]

Multiple explosions hitting the arrow one after another add momentum I assume?

[turbid light]

At first I thought of using 4 points where explosions could occur to aim the arrow swarm

[turbid light]

Yep

And the spread is crucial in my design

Since else they would all fly up

[flint idol]

Right yeah. It's an area effect with that

[turbid light]

Funnily enough, this implies that the more arrows I use, the higher the damage is

[flint idol]

Wonder if hitting the arrows into the side of a trap door, and then the explosions hitting the bottom of a slab (through prism from the bottom) would work to have spread in one direction

[turbid light]

Yeah, but try spreading the arrows that way

[flint idol]

Non-blink question. Java question really. If I have a bunch of explosions hitting there, and then open the trap door, the arrows fly that direction, releasing the momentum that was built up?

[turbid light]

yes

[flint idol]

The idea would be to have a small but concentrated cone of death in a cardinal direction

[turbid light]

that also happens when the blocks break

Or the arrows get blinked away

[turbid light]

That'd be nice

[flint idol]

Pocket edition mock up. Quartz under would be the prism for all the explosions

Granted the dispenser is going to struggle to even get arrows to the trap door. Might need a trap door instead of slab. Would add a slight downward momentum though

But could maybe have that go into a portal to the right there. Just flip the trap door to release a bunch of arrows to the right

You'd still need to set the portal destination though. So still not really fitting the original hope of "can this be a single spell cast to fire an arrow relativisticly at something"

Probably not much spread... Hmm. Got me thinking about this again

[turbid light]

Oh

XD

You're not getting far with a portal

[flint idol]

Oh right it'll not even notice it hit

[turbid light]

The arrows will definitely phase through

Just use

[flint idol]

I've phased through a portal just from falling, as a player. Not an arrow that needs to care about time dialiation

[turbid light]

If you're in an older version you can use instead, though that will only move like 10 arrows at a time

[flint idol]

An actual use case for warp ritual?

Lol

[turbid light]

XD

[turbid light]

It'd be nice to be able to chose a direction other than north or west

[flint idol]

Even so, if I can get a right click to hit the thing north of me for 5000 damage, things can be built to work with that

Jean comes in to land, right click to kill before she lands and becomes immune

[turbid light]

Hmm

[turbid light]

Really, with the design you've shown it looks more likely to spray

Unless you somehow get the arrows to be perfectly aligned

[lunar cradle]

Drone's been deployed, we'll see how well it works in about ninety minutes.

[flint idol]

Spray yes, but the question would be how wide the cone of death is. I'm sure there's some shenanigans that could be done to align them better, id want some spread, but the lower the better if I'm using a single arrow. If I'm spamming arrows, then a 10 degree cone would be fine

[turbid light]

The spread is actually pretty low

I just need to make a line of turrets to measure the range

[turbid light]

Sadly launches the arrows in all directions
So you just gotta bruteforce it with

[flint idol]

Yeah burst sensitive would just detonate everything. Burst without sensitive id expect to explode at the arrow, which would be basically random.

Id mostly just have a handful of turrets that all hit a portal at once to hit the slab at the same instant

[turbid light]

No slab, just a trapdoor. Since the arrows get stuck on the slab

[turbid light]

Sadly I can't get your design to work.
If the projectiles come from below they impart too much downwards momentum, though the spread is quite good
Yet if the projectiles come from above the arrows get flung in all directions

[flint idol]

Can momentum be imparted to arrows if they're on the outside of the trap door instead of inside?

Then the explosions can hit a slab to be centered

[turbid light]

Sadly no

Explosions cast a cloud of rays that connect from the explosion center to each corner of the arrows' hitbox, and each checks if there are solids in-between

So having a block between the explosions and the arrows sets the acceleration to 0

.
But I guess what we could do instead is have the exlosions and the arrows on different blocks

Like a fence post and slabs or stairs

[flint idol]

Yeah the main thing would be just a way to get the explosions to be the same level as the arrows

[sullen sky]

it has been done. #1220479731401756772

[green aspen]

hi guys -> what should i change to break allthemonium up ?

[carmine pond]

What arrows are you using?

[azure ice]

It can't be broken with the crossbow, only the allthemodium+ spellbooks

[green aspen]

split arrows to mine a bigger amount , at the moment i have only the

[carmine pond]

oh you have piercing 8 already

[green aspen]

it can mine ancient debrit, but there its finished

[carmine pond]

are the blocks that hard?

[green aspen]

yes but not the 12 or what ever it can goes with this 1 mod where u can put something on it to make +2 or +3 on all entchants

allthemodium require's netherite ... so i guess its harder then vanilla

[carmine pond]

i do not understand you

do you mean apotheosis gems?

[green aspen]

yes

there is a mod that makes all entchant's on ur item +3 or somehting .. with that i can mine from gras till bedrock

[carmine pond]

what do you still need?

it looks good to me

[flint idol]

Should be able to mine debris with just one amp. Does your pack require that many amps to break debris or obsidian?

[green aspen]

the problem is still i cant mine the last 3 ores from allthemodium MOD - > allthemodium-Vibranium-unobtanium

[green aspen]

i spamed on the crossbow couse of 2 things ... first was i have no mana problem by mining bcs of Void Jar and voiding all stone's and all that stuff
and second was hoping with spaming on it :d would break the ores 😄

[flint idol]

Pretty sure ATM ores use a different system from standard mining levels

[green aspen]

sadly but i think so too.. there is no posibility to go up with Amplify till a break lvl ... to 1 under badrock ?

i know my english is horible .. sry

[flint idol]

It's fine. ATM ores are definitely unique in their requirements. I think the only way to mine them with a book is to use the allthemodium book from All the Acanist Gear

[green aspen]

have it

unobtanium book (highes book) and Unobtanium Arcanist ARMOR ... so i was sure i will be rdy to go for it

doesnt matter ❤️ i was just wondering, but its not soooo important

[azure ice]

#1063651803033501736 message

Allthemods specifically blocks long range breaking, I override this only for the spellbooks

[green aspen]

Thanks ❤️ I don't know what's going on with my game but 2 days before I saw I post under spell crafting it's called "2mil dmg" or something... I 1shotet everything (test was multiple times on piglich) but today I don't do dmg only something around 300 😂 what's going on

[azure ice]

You probably unequipped a rage glove

[green aspen]

That's maybe it checked all my relics and artifacts

Let me test

ok first of all

U ARE A FKING GNIUS !!!! holy .. and th second .. how does it interact so hard .. also what else iteract soo heavy with ars

[flint idol]

Because that artifact is broken

That artifact and neoforge if I recall

[green aspen]

dont find anything whats called neoforge but i would never think the interaction would be sooooo extrem

[flint idol]

It has to do with how iframes work in Minecraft

In general: on the surface, if you take two damage sources close enough together, you take the higher damage, not the first damage

Specifically, you take damage (say 3 hearts). If you take another hit for 2, nothing happens. But if that second hit was 3.5, you would instead take that first 3 and then another half to effectively be the damage of the second (higher) hit

Rage gloves though add to the damage with each hit. Because why not.

Now. If you spam click and the damage increases on every hit, you simply keep taking more and more damage

Neoforge bug, it's instead giving full damage on each hit.. exact opposite of what iframes are there to prevent

Now. It gets stupid quickly because Minecraft doesn't really care "how" that damage happened. A punch, or a sword, or a spell

Combined with swarm spells like harm cannon. Really anything with burst sensitive homing, now you are getting hit dozens or hundreds of times in one go. Each one with stacking damage from the gloves

[green aspen]

x.x

hooooly .. i was thinking when i took that gloves out .. its good for dagger or something what dont need long time 'reaload' but that with the spells bcs of multiple hits in one

that was unexpected for me :d

i take it we are just some friends on a little server 😄 and having fun ... the other guys are into TECH stuff but im the builder+MAGE player 😄 ... so i like it if i have a easy way to farm hard stuff ... equal to their mashines 😄

[flint idol]

Equal?

We don't do equal

[green aspen]

i mean i 1 hit Piglich if i need the items from them .. they just put some weird mashines on the florr and get all automatic 😄

[flint idol]

I'm sure they have their little create rotary farms

[green aspen]

Vanilla redstone info .. observer what get placed ... gives output evey 4 ticks .. observer what gets pushed infront of an other observer .. gives output every 2 ticks

[flint idol]

Yeah. This was just a clip. I switched it to piston pushed observer later

Wooden button got me about a chest per press

[green aspen]

hahahahaha

im not inside of the turrets and binging spells on runes or that stuff only saw vids about 'all'

tring to build a base before i start redstone or automatisation 😄 bcs i know me

.. when i start .. this never stops 😄

this was my last vanilla ultra hardcore Solo server creation D:

[flint idol]

The redstone is to get the blocks to build your base with. This one uses a rune for the pickup and it also auto sorts out the saplings back to the turret

[green aspen]

im in love 😄

[flint idol]

Prototype of the ICBM

Walk around, collect a warp scroll, blink it to the launch center

This tree farm was slower but could farm all the trees in our pack (in this clip not dark oak, but I had a small thing to add on to allow it later

[green aspen]

frontrow with activator rails powred not with observers .. give it a try

[green aspen]

thats sooo huge

[flint idol]

Prototype of the ICBM. The full design you'd warp a scroll in with blink and then it would create the portal, beam in the death, and reset. This was just testing

[green aspen]

but i know me .. if i start something 😄 i will find something like a RUNE-Duper 😄 .. like a TNT duping in vanilla 😄 but just with runes .. to do a ultra quick duplicating WorldEater 😄 or soemthing like this

[flint idol]

It's huge because I wanted a big area lol. I do a lot of building. But this farm also automatically stopped farming specific trees when I had a double chest of that wood

[green aspen]

im not sure i will stay for sooo long in ATM 10 😄 but the posibility's only from 1 mod is sooo HEAVY

[flint idol]

So I could walk up and grab a stack and it would start back up as needed

[green aspen]

huge was like a compliment .. sry my english .. i mean it like ... hooooly shit

huge like this

not huge like ... ur build is way to big blabla 😄

[flint idol]

Ah lol

[green aspen]

for now i have to build 😄 before i start anything crazy 😄

i guess this build will take me around 7-10 days 😄 with dekorating all on the hill with custom trees and stuff like this 😄

and then at the end 😄 i missclick ... wrong spell .. booom all destroyed 😄

ah yes 1 more question 😄 ... at the background u can see there is a other biome .. its not the ars biome ... is there a way to change the biome in Ars or do i have to use Evil Craft for it

i saw a vid from evil craft how they changed a biome

[flint idol]

What version of Minecraft?

[green aspen]

atm 10

[flint idol]

There's island rituals that create biome islands and convert the area

[green aspen]

so i think its 1.21 or something .. i have 0 idea .. jsut the current version of atm 10 in curseforge

[flint idol]

Basic is plains, or some of the forests. Elemental has elemental forests as well

They make a floating island

[flint idol]

Check jei for "tablet" to list all the ritual tablets. Elemental adds archwood forest tablets. Maybe it's just one that gets augmented? I can't remember

[green aspen]

i mean that dark green part .. is a different biome ... ' different biome = different water color and gras and leaves' ... is there a way -> a ritual -> any thing to change the biome

[flint idol]

Yeah those island rituals change the biome too

[green aspen]

ok

i try

on a test place

later .. thanks ❤️

[flint idol]

I doubt you have Caelum in that pack, it was meant for Skyblock. But that's what I used here to convert a previous birch forest to archwood. The elemental forest ritual would do the same

I need to get around to doing it on my current base as well. Flourishing forest gets a dark green grass

[green aspen]

i dont find aynthing in the JEI with '@Caelum ' or 'Caelum '

but if that one from ars doesnt work i jus do the evilcraft one

its also not complicated

[flint idol]

Yeah. Caelum is meant for Skyblock, so I doubt they'd have added it to ATM10. Check for the tablets from elemental

[green aspen]

there is just a way to make islands but nothing written about changing bioem

[green aspen]

if i can give a tipp ... this a fluid ?

If it's a fluid change it to fog light (yt tutorial how to make)

If it's fog light leave a +1 block air gap between the glasses

It will change so mutch

[flint idol]

It's liquid source

Thousands of blocks of liquid source that xacris placed around my base

[green aspen]

Fog is around 7 - > 11 layers of Glas block (color of ur coice ) - air block... Ground floor light source with carpet on top same color like the Glas... 11 layers on the deeper part of the lake

[fervent hawk]

the point is that it's liquid source

[green aspen]

Belive me it will change soooo mutch of ur amazing build

[green aspen]

Oh

[flint idol]

It's actual liquid

He replaced my river

[green aspen]

I love that little details around the 'the other' oriented part

[flint idol]

My favorite perspective of that base

[green aspen]

Would be annoyed about the sensors but from looking on it... It's pretty af

[flint idol]

I added a crane over on this side with create later. Couldn't find one of uploaded to discord of that though

[fervent hawk]

the sensors play amethyst chimes as you walk through the sculk meadow

it's very musical

[flint idol]

Meant to build a ship for it to unload from. But I was just happy to get the 2d freedom on the crane with a little platform on the end of a pulley with the rotating crane

[green aspen]

It's looking amazing but for the musical part... I would prefer noteblocks with Redstone made Musik

[flint idol]

Also meant to replace that dirt dome at the top lol

[fervent hawk]

well it's a good thing I do the things that I prefer then

[flint idol]

The amethyst was a nice gentle sound

Redstone music has its place, but for a meadow that was supposed to be "natural" (if a bit alien), it worked really well

I loved that broken bridge lol

[green aspen]

Yes it's a rly amazing build

[fervent hawk]

it was easier than making a bridge lol

[green aspen]

I'm only not a fan of the fluid 🌹 fog would be soooo cooler but sooo mutch more work

Example

[fervent hawk]

yeah I'm familiar with the effect

[flint idol]

Honestly with effortless building, that probably would have been easier than the 20k buckets of sauce

[fervent hawk]

the liquid source itself was several nights worth of work

[flint idol]

But it was about the sauce specifically

[fervent hawk]

I forget even how much source it was, it was a truly insane number and I only did the top layer

[flint idol]

It was a huge area

[green aspen]

😂😂😂😂😂

[fervent hawk]

had to make sure you didn't have any water within render distance

[flint idol]

I need to keep the water at my current base. Can't have a water school in the lake if it isn't water

[green aspen]

Hahaha

Maybe it's just personal perf. But I'm in love to those things

Yeah obv. Have to ignore the beacon on the ground